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MLB’s response and a look back at “60 Minutes”

Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Feb 07, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Major League Baseball Executive Vice President of Labor Relations Rob Manfred issued the following statement today regarding today’s Sports Illustrated news story:

“We are disturbed by the allegations contained in the Sports Illustrated news story which was posted online this morning. Because the survey testing that took place in 2003 was intended to be non-disciplinary and anonymous, we can not make any comment on the accuracy of this report as it pertains to the player named.

“Based on the results of the 2003 tests, Major League Baseball was able to institute a mandatory random-testing program with penalties in 2004. Major League Baseball and the Players Association have improved the drug testing program on several occasions so that it is now the toughest program in professional sports. The program bans stimulants, such as amphetamines, as well as steroids.

“Any allegation of tipping that took place under prior iterations of the program is of grave concern to Major League Baseball, as such behavior would constitute a serious breach of our agreement.

“Under Commissioner Selig’s leadership, Major League Baseball remains fully committed to the elimination of the use of performance enhancing substances from baseball. As the Commissioner has said, we will continue to do everything within our power to eliminate the use of such drugs and to protect the integrity of the program.”

The tipping issue is a particularly-scandalous aspect of this entire story, essentially implying that there was a cover-up in place to keep high-profile players from testing positive. Who knows how often Orza or other union members were helping players get a heads-up on when tests were coming? It will be interesting to see both how MLB reacts to that (remember, MLB and the Players’ Association are two different and opposing organizations), as well as the players themselves. If you’re a player who DIDN’T get tipped, aren’t you a little angry right now?

Also, for anyone interested, here’s a link to the CBS page that has clips from the “60 Minutes” interview A-Rod did after the Mitchell Report came out. Bear in mind, this is one of numerous times when Rodriguez flat-out denied ever using any PEDs.

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UPDATE, 3:23 p.m.: The MLBPA had this response:

“Information and documents relating to the results of the 2003 MLB testing program are both confidential and under seal by court orders. We are prohibited from confirming or denying any allegation about the test results of any particular player(s) by the collective bargaining agreement and by court orders. Anyone with knowledge of such documents who discloses their contents may be in violation of those court orders.

“As we have explained previously, in detail and in public (see http://oversight.house.gov/documents/20080703114405.pdf ), there was no improper tipping of players in 2004 about the timing of drug tests. As set forth in our letter to Chairman Waxman of the House Government Reform Committee, in September 2004 MLBPA attorneys met with certain players, but we are not able to confirm or deny the names of any of the players with whom we met.”

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320 Responses to “MLB’s response and a look back at “60 Minutes””

  1. pat February 7th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    Every player has flat out denied using steroids. Pettitte did. Giambi did. What player has outed themselves?

  2. Tantron Willoughby February 7th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    It’s a pity that A-roid has set an example to the children that will only hurt the sport long time, and possibly society. Just lie, cheat, and perform and it is what it is. He should be kicked out of baseball imo.

  3. Tantron Willoughby February 7th, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    I wonder when Pujols will be outed? Talk about another Roid candidate.

  4. Doreen February 7th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    If you start kicking players out, they’ll have to contract the league.

  5. Phil Parcells February 7th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    And he LIED to us!!

    remember, he went on 60 minutes last year and flatly denied every using PEDs.

    This will certainly kill his Hall of Fame election.

  6. eLneneM360 February 7th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    It’s a pity that A-roid has set an example to the children that will only hurt the sport long time…

    dude what children? YOu think they sell steroids in every corner store? You think we’re talking bout candy here? are YOu telling me that b/c a-rod tested positive now 50% of children in america are gonna start buying steroids from candy stores or ebay? get serious man seriously.

  7. Madonna February 7th, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    Leave Alex Alone!!!

  8. Kevin (not that Kevin) Brown February 7th, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    (Re-Posting from the previous thread.)

    Pete:

    When you’re back could you maybe write about why – apparently – teams are NOT allowed to include as a matter of course – not to mention good sense – language in player contracts that would void the contract if they are caught using PEDs.

    Especially in this era of testing and established penalties agreed upon by both sides (including suspension without pay), why are their no penalties as far as the contracts are concerned? Is this because (I believe) a player can be banned for life with three positive results thereby voiding the contract anyway? (Or is that the NFL?)

    It seems perfectly logical for an employer, in any business, to be able to ask of a prospective employee that they not break the law, and if they do, their contract will be voided. Other industries, like GE, in fact do have language that an employee can be terminated if they test positive for drugs. If the prospective employee won’t agree to that, especially in exchange for tens of millions of dollars, then the team should just say, “Thanks, but no thanks.”

    P.S.: Not necessarily talking about A-Rod here, but the SI article indicated that he had no such clause in his contract.

  9. Yankee Trader February 7th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    A-Rod, last week A-Fraud, now A-Roid.

    If you did it, admit it! Otherwise Alex, how can we rely on you to earn the remaining 9 years on that contract, with a clear mind?

    Let the other names come out to soften the blow.

  10. Phil Parcells February 7th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    The Post and the Daily News are gonna have a field day. WFAN will go nutz.

  11. Donnie Baseball 23 February 7th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    Im not saying this is on the same page but you say to kick AROD out of the league?? What about guys who get caught with Cocaine,Pot, get a DWI,DUI?? Thats all illegal also and not a good example for kids?? should they all be kicked out of the league(s)

  12. Vrsce February 7th, 2009 at 3:36 pm

    The only steroid issue that I am sure of is that I have never (knowingly) taken them. apparently everyone else has.

    So, what to do? Nada, that’s what.

    They all did it, stupid to think otherwise.

    Time to get past this one.

  13. m February 7th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    So those were meaningless homeruns after all…

    (just a joke)

  14. Chien-Ming Vase February 7th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    so lemme make sure im keeping up here…
    according to multiple lohud sources, ‘the writers,’ selena roberts, Selig, Fehr and Orza as well as “Players, owners, union members, management members, EVERYBODY shot up arod?

  15. Tantron Willoughby February 7th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    A-roid, according to Torre’s book cares about how things look when it comes to his brand. His psyche will be toast this time because respect for him as a man is gone, not just as an athlete. He has failed miserably as a dirty double cheat. He cheats on his wife, on his children destroying their family, on baseball, and he is just about one thing: Arod!!!!! The Arod brand is not looking pretttttty goooood anymore.

  16. Phil Parcells February 7th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    Donnie Baseball 23-

    we kicked Pete Rose outta the league for betting on baseball.

  17. m February 7th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    Off to do my taxes.

    Even that’s more enjoyable than talking about this.

  18. GreenBeret7 February 7th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    Which of you trolls, fans and non-fans of Rodriguez would have believed what he said anyway? 90% of you wouldn’t believe him if he denied using it.

  19. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    Off to do my taxes.

    Even that’s more enjoyable than talking about this.

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    Amen, sadly.

  20. Barry Lane February 7th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    If indeed he did not use PED’s he can simply say so. But some of the reactions remind me of the various Clinton sexual scandals, and the insistence, as a defense, that everyone did it. Well, it is certainly true that many did, both in baseball and in politics, but not everyone. Cynicism seems to be simply the other side of naivete. Let it play out. If he cheated, and that is almost certainly so, whatever the reporter’s motive, then we will no how to evaluate his performance as a man, and as a person.

    And long live The Babe.

    Barry Lane

    Barry Lane

  21. Phil Parcells February 7th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    I don’t think ARod will be able to take the pressure. I think he’s gonna crack.

    Time to interview Dunn, and yes, even Manny.

  22. randy l February 7th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    when you take a look at the 2003 rangers, the yankees may have a bigger problem than just arod. as selena roberts is saying the rangers had a culture of steroid use- palmeiro, juan gonzalez, and alex rodriguez.

    she’s also suggesting that scott boras has a high percentage of steroid users as clients and may be part of the problem. big insinuation for her to make.

    the possible problem for the yankees is a texas rookie first baseman on that team who as a rookie hit 26 home runs and then hit 38 and 43 home runs in the next two years. the problem is that he’s never hit more than 33 since.

    he’s represented by boras.

  23. NYYanksFan February 7th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    The possibility exists that this may not be the first time A-Rod has had Roberts ask him questions because she is writing a book about him.

    He may not have notified the Yankees because he wasn’t aware she was breaking a story in SI as opposed to doing research for a book he is not authorizing.

  24. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    Which of you trolls, fans and non-fans of Rodriguez would have believed what he said anyway? 90% of you wouldn’t believe him if he denied using it.

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    Shhh GB7 – you’ll just be asking for stupid answers featuring mandatory abuse of the phrase “true yankee” and various witty (rolls eyes) variations of his name. :)

  25. Jose Canseco February 7th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    I TOLD YOU SO

  26. m February 7th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    GB7,

    Not true. I believed (and I said this when we were talking about Roger) that Alex and Jeter were the only two star players that were clean.

    That’s the disappointing thing, if it turns out to be true.

    Either way, it’s going to be really hard to put the toothpaste back into the tube on this one.

    What a mess, just like my taxes.

  27. Vrsce February 7th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    GreenBeret7

    About as many as would believe you.

    It is a non issue, as they all did it.
    The BS will flow, because it has to,especially in times like these, everybody needs to blame someone.Cowardly times for weak people.

  28. Donnie Baseball 23 February 7th, 2009 at 3:46 pm

    Phil Im asking a question. Do we kick those guys out also?? I do agree with now getting Manny. I look for Alex to get off to a horrible start to the year

  29. Phil Parcells February 7th, 2009 at 3:46 pm

    GreenBeret7 February 7th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    Which of you trolls, fans and non-fans of Rodriguez would have believed what he said anyway? 90% of you wouldn’t believe him if he denied using it
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    Dude, the owner of this blog has defended him against such allegations, multiple times.

  30. Phil Parcells February 7th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    I envision ARod’s hair turning white over night, like Marie Antoinette.

  31. GreenBeret7 February 7th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
    February 7th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
    Which of you trolls, fans and non-fans of Rodriguez would have believed what he said anyway? 90% of you wouldn’t believe him if he denied using it.

    ********************************************************

    Shhh GB7 – you’ll just be asking for stupid answers featuring mandatory abuse of the phrase “true yankee” and various witty (rolls eyes) variations of his name.

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    The slug keeps mentioning how big he is is laughable. He weighs about 5 more pounds than Jeter and they’re the same age, same heighth. I’ll wait for actual proof instead of the same slug that has stalked Rodriguez since 2004.

  32. Kevin O. February 7th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    YAWN, I am so tired of hearing about steroids crap. And that’s what it is- crap. We as a society are so obsessed with never letting go of the past and publicly humiliating and chastising athletes, or anyone for that matter, at each chance we get. Personally, I couldn’t care less if A-Rod used steroids. He was just one of hundreds upon hundreds, and he did it when IT WASN’T BANNED. Besides, there’s a difference between using and abusing. For example, Barry Bonds ABUSED steroids. His body type, player type, and head size completely morphed. He literally would not have come close to breaking the HR record if he had not abused steroids. A-Rod is just one of countless players who used. Do I wish he hadn’t? Yes. I’m somewhat disappointed. But I’m just not sure what these reporters are trying to accomplish by now. I guess attempting to (good luck) make a name for themselves, because this is complete garbage. There is mandatory, random drug testing now and steroids are really no longer an issue. Anyone that keeps reporting this stuff truly does not have the best interest of baseball in their sights.

  33. Scared of the Wall February 7th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    A lot of people around here do not understand how the CBA works or how the MLBPA functions.

    The MLBPA is a union that represents the best interests of the players, and will protect the players even if they have taken steroids. They try to get the best possible contracts for the players and ensure that players will have optimal working conditions.

    The CBA sets out guidelines for player contracts and dictates what claues can be included. If the CBA gave permission for Clubs to include a PED provision in their contracts, the players would never sign the CBA and there would be no baseball being played. The players view PED testing as an invasion of privacy, and, sadly, there may be a lot of players who have taken PEDs and would not want a PED clause in a contract for obvious reasons.

    I hope that more of an effort is made to curb PED use and punish the players who have used PEDs, but the current CBA does not permit a PED clause.

  34. GreenBeret7 February 7th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    Phil Parcells
    February 7th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
    GreenBeret7 February 7th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    Which of you trolls, fans and non-fans of Rodriguez would have believed what he said anyway? 90% of you wouldn’t believe him if he denied using it

    ***************************************************

    Dude, the owner of this blog has defended him against such allegations, multiple times.

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    Since when? Hiden in the constant juvenile digs that are mde daily?

  35. Joe from Long Island February 7th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    A few questions:

    1. Amazing dishonesty by many sides – MLB, MLBPA, and the Feds.

    2. Amazing incompetence here by MLB and the Players Association. Why wasn’t the data destroyed after the survey?

    3. Amazing incompetence by Selig and MLB. Why do they insist on destroying their product?

    4. Why is baseball held to a different standard? What, the NFL, NBA, NHL are innocent? Like a previous poster said here, his HS and college teams were full of juicers in the ’80s. There is a whole culture here. You can say it’s wrong, but why is baseball flogged publicly?

    5. Why is this a national law enforcement issue?

    6. MLBNetwork is doing a great job here. Bob Costas is very good, as he is showing this afternoon. An intelligent panel discussion going on right now.

    7. Why was Alex’s name released? What’s the deal with that? Smells like the Feds are hoping he somehow nails Bonds.

    8. I feel like I’ve been kicked in the gut.

    9. And all this a week before pitchers-and-catchers. Great handling of this issue, Bud.

  36. teetime February 7th, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    Really, who cares about who took what 6 years ago? SI is a crap read, trying to boost circulation,and congress has better things to do than to follow this parade.

  37. GreenBeret7 February 7th, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    If the names on the samples were coded, they weren’t confdential.

  38. Phil Parcells February 7th, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    This may turn out to be BIGGER than Watergate. The scandal leads everywhere.

  39. able 21 February 7th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    At least Joe Torre kept it out of his book !

  40. Scared of the Wall February 7th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    “so lemme make sure im keeping up here…
    according to multiple lohud sources, ‘the writers,’ selena roberts, Selig, Fehr and Orza as well as “Players, owners, union members, management members, EVERYBODY shot up arod?”

    Who the hell said that? Someone said that Selig, Fehr, Orza are at fault for not handling the steroid situation appropriately. You are purposely taking it out of context.

  41. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    “She said she uncovered this information while working on a profile/feature on Rodriguez.”

    Isn’t she working on a book about him? I mean lets call a spade a spade here.

    “She noted, correctly, that depending on how the California court case works out, the other 103 names very well might be made public in the future anyway.”

    Its this “the ends justify the means” attitude that makes me fear for aspects of this country.

  42. Vrsce February 7th, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    Here is a test.

    Guauge how you feel about this now, as opposed to how you felt when the story broke this AM. Then remember how you felt when it broke about Raffy and Pettitte..

    This is the ending of all the steroid crap. It happened, they all did it and it is over.

  43. Donnie Baseball 23 February 7th, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    AROD is a Yankee now and if he clean and not on anything right now or at any point during his tenure with the YANKS then he never cheated any Yankees fan. If we win a WS title with him on the roster then he will be clean and that is all that matters for the present time.

  44. Bill February 7th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    http://www.ihateashley.info/in.....411d57711b

  45. PAT M. February 7th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    Randy I, I was thinking the same thing…..

  46. Baseball Fan February 7th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    I am sad.
    I am a lifetime baseball fan.
    Arod love him or hate him, is an amazing player.
    He is also a easy target, a very insecure and troubled man.
    I wanted him to be clean.
    He has not been.
    I do not care about all the other dynamics here.
    I do not care if every other player on the Sox and the Royals used.

    Arod lied to us. Arod is a liar and a cheater.
    He was considered the best player maybe in forever.

    That is now permanently tarnished. period.

    I am sad.

    This year for the Yankees is going to be a nightmare.

  47. Joey's Poodle February 7th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    So far Selig is bad, the government is bad, the leakers are bad, one of the reporters who reported on the leaks is bad (for some reason the other reporter is okay, wonder why that might be), fans who may boo AR once the season opens are bad, the media who will ask him about this stuff if he ever leaves his house are bad…

    I guess that means AR is good?

    Or maybe I’m just confused.

  48. SJ44 February 7th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    Vrsce,

    Problem is, it never goes away. Just when you think its going away, the government leaks this stuff.

    Now, we have an issue bigger than Arod here. The tipping charge against Orza.

    If true, now we will get into management looking to bust the Union. That will be the war of wars.

    This sport is so intent on eating its own, its almost unfathomable the same people in power are still in their jobs.

    Once the season starts, it will be about baseball. It always is.

    Now? This is a sad day for the entire sport for many, many reasons.

  49. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    “Or maybe I’m just confused.”

    Yeah, that. :rolleye:

  50. YankeeJosh February 7th, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    “The tipping issue is a particularly-scandalous aspect of this entire story, essentially implying that there was a cover-up in place to keep high-profile players from testing positive. Who knows how often Orza or other union members were helping players get a heads-up on when tests were coming? It will be interesting to see both how MLB reacts to that (remember, MLB and the Players’ Association are two different and opposing organizations), as well as the players themselves. If you’re a player who DIDN’T get tipped, aren’t you a little angry right now?”

    Worse than that Pete, it impacts the integrity of the game, if the UNION is alerting some players on some teams but not others on others.

  51. Psyluk February 7th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    The saddest part about all of this is the fact that no one will explore the fact that Selena Roberts is indeed writing a book about A-Rod and will probably stand to gain a sizable chunk of book sales from curious Yankee fans and Yankee haters alike.

    On top of that, A-Rod is left alone to fend for himself when he really should be defend himself along with the other 100+ people that tested positive in 2003. If he used steroids, he used them and deserves all of the criticism that’s coming his way.

    I am saddened by Roberts and Epstein’s shameless exploitation of someone of A-Rod’s stature and notability in order to generate web hits and book sales. When you open Pandora’s box, you’d better be prepared to crack it wide open. Letting Alex dangle like a dead fish (albeit a very rich one) for everyone to character assassinate is irresponsible journalism.

    And again, the reason why no one will ever hear this angle is because every single person that controls the information that is presented to the general public sits in the very same boat that says that it’s OK to single out someone famous in order to make a point about culture as a whole, rather than examining the cultural implications of PEDs and how the problem is more than just one guy who happens to be on the back of tabloid newspapers.

    The reason why I, along with many people, can’t stand journalists is because of the sensationalism that drives us to our televisions and local newspaper stands. Journalists are more than willing to exploit and ruin the lives of a select few to improve their own standing in their select community. Is that wrong? I don’t think I’m the one to really decide whether or not it is. But what I do know is that there’s something odd about writing something, then standing back and watching a high-profile individual take bullets while everyone else that committed the same (at the time unpenalized) offense can sit back and exhale in relief.

    And again, the reason why no one will ever, ever explore this angle is because the people who can deliver such an angle would rather ruin someone’s life rather than call out the journalistic integrity of a fellow writer.

  52. hornblower February 7th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    I paid for a clean game with legit records and players who were not augments. Don’t tell me I shouldn’t care.

  53. Alex Rodriguez February 7th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    I wish every one would leave me ALONE! I need to phone Madonna for some old lovin.

  54. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother February 7th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    reposted

    OK this might be long – and I don’t usually do long – but so what…
    Most of you who are defending AROD would be eating this story up if he were a RS. End that.

    Steroids have been around in one form or another since the early 80’s that I am aware of. Nowadays they just are more designer, less crude. There are now masking agents. There are tip-offs and other means of cheating the testing program. By and large the testing program is a joke. It never quite catches up to the designers. I am half surprised anyone gets caught actually.

    If baseball can ban a player for a lifetime for gambling, it can do the same with PED’s, and should. I know I would like to see a lawsuit by the “failed” players that tried to do it clean that didn’t make it to the bigs or get that huge contract because someone else with equal or less talent did make it because they cheated. I don’t know who you would go after in a case like this though, so it will never happen. Just dreaming a bit here I guess.

    But if MLB or the union are serious about stopping PED usage, testing should be frequent and the results made public if such is lawful. Lifetime ban for users in any case. Problem is neither side is that serious. Both sides have let a sore spot fester without effectively treating it and now it’s grown into an ugly ulcer. And incredibly there are still deniers and apologists.

    And for those of you who say differently about this, let me ask you this…
    Wouldn’t you like to see every member of our house and senate and any other legislative branch that has the ability to tax us and pass laws over us held to the same set of standards? Why are tax cheats in government still re-elected or given promotions? It will only change if the voters (or fans in our case) demand that it does. And fans that say “so what?” or “why only attack our guy?” are not solving the problem. They are perpetuating it.
    Baseball does not have to be that way. If baseball wants to be perceived as having integrity, then it needs to HAVE integrity. The double-speak and fraud from the players, the union, and management turns my stomach. Either fix it or lift the ban on it. Period. If they choose the latter though they will lose one fan I know of – me.

  55. Vrsce February 7th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    Joe from Long Island

    Don’t you recognize a witch hunt when you see it The Feds are swarming all over a dead issue, steroids, like the earnest little pencil necks they are. Yet Madoff scams 50billion and the Banks destroy the world economy because these same Feds were not paying attention.
    Pathetic.

  56. Joe from Long Island February 7th, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    I think the best way to clean up this mess is for Selig, Fehr, and Orza to get canned.

    They failed their responsibilities to their respective constituencies. They need to be held accountable.

    Obviously they – the leadership of baseball – didn’t feel it important enough to get this business straightened outand cleaned up. Maybe if they got the axe, then their replacements will understand they need to get it right going forward.

  57. JWEAV February 7th, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    This just in….Cynthia just completed her “tell all” book entitled “He’s always played with little balls”…you can pre-order it on Amazon.

  58. CaptainsCorner February 7th, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    I wonder what the Yanks reponse will be to this. We know what they will think about it privately. But will they make a statement. You would think the statement will be we stand behind him. What else can they say?! I wonder if they can have those homerun bonuses taken out of the contract if they wanted to?! This is going to be a very weird topic for them to address…starting this week at spring training. Very convenient for whoever let this story get out.

  59. Wiseman February 7th, 2009 at 4:06 pm

    I have NO idea why AROD the phoney would be playing for the Dominican team. This guy was born in Brooklyn and grew up in Miami. He has said he went to D.R. to see his parents relatives when he was young, but never lived their or stayed for more then a short visit. This guy is a creep and the Yanks should NEVER have resigned him as they promised not to do when he opted out! Cashman and Hal and Hank take a bow!

  60. JoeyA February 7th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    This goes way beyond players now, IMO.

    Rodriguez’s image is tarnished for his career, but a larger plotline looms….

    The culture of steroids and PED’s was allowed to run rampant throughout baseball during the 90′s and 2000′s. Players, as well as management and MLB personel were all aware of this culture and said/did nothing.

    In certain cases, such as the most recent with Gene Orza, MLB executives have encouraged PED use and made sure certain players were not caught.

    This, IMO, is like speeding and cops. Everyone else shouldn’t do it, cause you may hurt yourself or others. BUT, we are professionals and this is what we need to do to do our job. I guess that was MLB’s view on this whole thing.

    THIS HAS BECOME BIGGER THAN BONDS OR A-ROD.

    Baseball may never be the same with people on the inside effectively negating any testing being done.

  61. randy l February 7th, 2009 at 4:08 pm

    “If you start kicking players out, they’ll have to contract the league.”

    doreen-

    good point as this is not going to stay a yankee issue only. i have a distrust of the powers to be in general, but something seems strange how this is all playing out. if this is a high up mlb conspiracy with some sort of agenda , i have no idea what it is because the players are the product.

    why would the leaders of the game devalue their prime product? i was very suspicious of george mitchell being in charge of mlb investigation on steroids. i mean , he solves the irish/british problem that went on for centuries and now he is the envoy to gaza to solve the palestinian /israeli problem , but in between these gigs he just happens to do the mitchell report?

    maybe it’s just me, but it seems very odd such a heavy weight like mitchell was used to do the mitchell report. i mean is baseball that important to have a guy like mitchell this involved?

    i don’t know what this all means, but if there was a way to expose everything and once and for all get it behind us, it would be the best thing for the game.

  62. SJ44 February 7th, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    You didn’t “pay” for a clean game. Don’t be so naive.

    You “paid” to be entertained. You don’t like the sport, don’t go to it.

    Do you “pay” to go to football games? Do you think they are “clean”.

    Really, take the blinders off. This is pro sports and there are hundreds of millions of dollars at stake.

    We have government officials going to jail for corruption on deals worth MUCH less.

    #$#% happens in the world. Deal with it.

    Vrsce is right. The entire steroid investigation has been a witchhunt from Day One. Its a joke.

    Unfortunately, folks get nailed in these things, despite the fact its a joke.

    Today, its Arod’s today. Soon, it will be someone else.

    The sport just chooses to eat its own. Unlike say, the NFL for example.

    Until they decide to stop eating their own, they will continue to go down this path.

    You just wonder how long its going to take for everybody associated with the sport to realize they need new leadership on both sides of the baseball aisle.

  63. SJ44 February 7th, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    You didn’t “pay” for a clean game. Don’t be so naive.

    You “paid” to be entertained. You don’t like the sport, don’t go to it.

    Do you “pay” to go to football games? Do you think they are “clean”.

    Really, take the blinders off. This is pro sports and there are hundreds of millions of dollars at stake.

    We have government officials going to jail for corruption on deals worth MUCH less.

    #$#% happens in the world. Deal with it.

    Vrsce is right. The entire steroid investigation has been a witchhunt from Day One. Its a joke.

    Unfortunately, folks get nailed in these things, despite the fact its a joke.

    Today, its Arod’s today. Soon, it will be someone else.

    The sport just chooses to eat its own. Unlike say, the NFL for example.

    Until they decide to stop eating their own, they will continue to go down this path.

    You just wonder how long its going to take for everybody associated with the sport to realize they need new leadership on both sides of the baseball aisle.

  64. Joe from Long Island February 7th, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    Vrsce – You’re right. And I don’t understand it. Why is more emphasis being placed on getting Bonds, Alex, etc, than a crook like Madoff, and the Wall Street/Enron crooks and their ilk who stole money from trusting people? Why the standard for baseball that’s different from any other professional sport?

    Maybe I’m too naive, but I really don’t get it.

  65. Psyluk February 7th, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    Brad Pitt, I would be making the same argument whether A-Rod were a Yankee, Met or Red Sox. The fact of the matter is that while he is more famous than any baseball player on the planet, he doesn’t deserve to stand out there by himself when more than 100 major leaguers committed the same offense.

    Baseball’s problem is that the drug policy that was implemented in 2004 wasn’t implemented in 1994. As steroids and other PEDs became more sophisticated and harder to detect, baseball officials sat on their hands and did nothing about it. To turn a blind eye to such an obvious threat to the sanctity of the game should be grounds to get someone fired. And while A-Rod has now become the face of the controversy at hand, the problem has long been at the braintrust of MLB, Bud Selig. He sits there and collects 18 million dollars a year while ignorant to a 6-year old (SIX YEARS!!) urine sample.

    Where was this investigation years ago? People should take a minute and point their barrels at Bud Selig for a change.

  66. JoeyA February 7th, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    Yea, without a doubt in my mind, I smell a former Cynthia Rodriguez Tell-All.

    This man’s career is completely ruined and the aura around the Yankees will not be the same until 2017.

    Sad day for Yankee fans.

    I’m 22 years old and, for the first time, I realized I never knew baseball without steroids. Even guys you hoped were clean, you can’t put it past anybody anymore.

    I have literally never watched a game of baseball where somebody on the field wasn’t cheating with PED’s. I don’t know what real, true homerun totals actually look like.

    I’m completely overwhelmed by this, saddened, and deeply disappointed in my favorite sport.

  67. Ham Fighters February 7th, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    this is a huge hit for the mlbpa. ozra will surely have to quit. and whoever was tipping him. until mlb officials are shown to be involved in tipping players or mlbpa officials, i’ll save my condemnation of them.

    did ozra testify before congress?

  68. randy l February 7th, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    “Yet Madoff scams 50billion and the Banks destroy the world economy because these same Feds were not paying attention.”

    vrsce-

    what’s up with that ? federal resources just keep this thing going.

  69. Wiseman February 7th, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    AROD is a disaster with everything he touches, except in a 8 run game he is the best player ever! I have NO idea why AROD the phoney would be playing for the Dominican team. This guy was born in Brooklyn and grew up in Miami. He has said he went to D.R. to see his parents relatives when he was young, but never lived their or stayed for more then a short visit. This guy is a creep and the Yanks should NEVER have resigned him as they promised not to do when he opted out! Cashman and Hal and Hank take a bow!

  70. E-Man February 7th, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    “did ozra testify before congress?”

    Yes, he did.

  71. miggs February 7th, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    Listening to Selena Roberts with Costas its almost comical.

    She didn’t even TRY and get any other names. If these “sources” had A Rod’s name, they had to have everyone else’s. Was A Rod the only big name? No way.

    Its sad she’s going to get rich from this witch hunt.

  72. JoeyA February 7th, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    And on a completely separate note from all of this A-Rod stuff, is this makes me realize how amazing a pitcher Greg Maddux was.

    What he did in the 90′s was nothing short of unbelievable, during a time when over 75%, IMO, of the game was using steroids.

    Also, I cannot possibly disregard or refute anything Jose Canseco says anymore. He may be money hungry, but he’s turned out to be correct more than he was wrong about these kind of things.

    Pujols, Dunn, Manny, Ortiz, Howard….all your times will come soon enough.

  73. SJ44 February 7th, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    Sorry for the double post.

    Captains Corner,

    The Yankees are really limited to what they can say.

    Under the testing rules currently in place, they aren’t allowed to say anything about a player and any of their test results.

    For example, they can’t say, “He never flunked a test with us”.

    They probably had no idea he flunked a test in 2003. Under the current testing program, those results are not made available to teams other than the team the player plays for at the time of the failed test.

    What further complicates this particular case is, I’m not sure even the Rangers knew he flunked a test. This was during the provisional phase of the testing program (to see if a testing program was needed) and I don’t believe those results were supposed to be made available to the teams.

    That puts the Yankees in a situation in which they can’t say anything on point re: Arod or the testing program.

  74. Doreen February 7th, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    Regarding Alex on 60 Minutes. I just went and read the transcript.

    I believe, and I may be wrong, that the interview was scheduled mostly with regard to the whole WS opt-out and then re-signing with the Yankees.

    He wasn’t there necessarily to talk about the Mitchell report, but it was a topic of the interview because it was a fresh story.

  75. miggs February 7th, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    The government is more concerned with leaking info on A Rod and steroids than it is with helping millions of people who are in the process of losing their life savings.

    Its so sad.

    So many more important things, bigger problems going on right now.

  76. CaptainsCorner February 7th, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    To get off topic for a minute. Anruw Jones is close to signing a minor league deal with the Rangers. I guess he figured he has a better chance of hitting homeruns in Texas..with the Texas air. If he can get the ball in the air it might go out. Pathetic that he didn’t think he can beat out Melky or Gardner on the Yanks.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....;type=lgns

  77. Psyluk February 7th, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    miggs February 7th, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    Listening to Selena Roberts with Costas its almost comical.

    She didn’t even TRY and get any other names. If these “sources” had A Rod’s name, they had to have everyone else’s. Was A Rod the only big name? No way.

    Its sad she’s going to get rich from this witch hunt.
    —————————————————-

    It wouldn’t even matter if the other 100+ players were career minor leaguers. The fact that they can still sit back and breathe a sigh of relief today that A-Rod is getting all of the blame is absolutely ridiculous.

    No one should get off the hook for what they did, including Selena Roberts. She should show responsibility to her profession and release the other names, if she indeed does have them. If she doesn’t and A-Rod ends up being the only player tarnished from this debacle, it’ll be an absolute travesty.

  78. JWEAV February 7th, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    I often wonder why those roid raged linebackers in the NFL get off the hook. Have you ever watched a old football game from the 70′s and compared it to the 80′s/90′s. Those guys just blew up. They’re huge. Yeah right…the trainers and training equipment is sooooo much better these days. It just kills me that the NFL gets off the hook.

  79. Al from BK February 7th, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    So A-Rod “allegedly” failed one test 6 years ago and now some of you want him kicked out of baseball and barred from HOF consideration. Either you are all trolls or highly uninformed.

  80. NongEyeJon February 7th, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    I am so sick of the A-Rod soap opera. All of the “little” stories about his relationship wit Jeter, the opt-out, Madonna…I never cared about. But this new one is proof positive that this guy just can’t keep his nose clean and out of the limelight, whether he wants to or not. I also am starting to believe that his soap opera of a life is clearly just a complete and utter distraction for this team and they will not win with him on it. I am starting to believe in an A-Rod curse. I feel badly for Joe Girardi…jeez…talk about a pile of crap.

  81. Betsy February 7th, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    I suppose I’m naive, but until a player is proven to have done something, I will not point an accusing finger at him. Tex played in a ballpark conducive to HRs………so that could easily explain why he hasn’t come close to his early HR figures. The fact that he is a Boras client isn’t proof of anything……

    This is a sad day for baseball, but most baseball fans (who hate the Yankees) are celebrating.

    Alex really has no choice but to accept the fact that he screwed up and try to get his “revenge” on the ball field by doing the things he does best. I would recommend that he avoid the newspapers and sports radio as best he can. They can all be screaming at him and calling him names, but if he doesn’t read or listen to them, then he won’t be aware of it and he won’t have to not think about it.

  82. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother February 7th, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    Psylik, the fact that AROD is standing alone out there right now is not right – but that is only an issue for the day. The other names will most likely come out later.
    The bigger issue is the other, in which we seem to be in agreement.
    Car-jacking and murder and such are not banned by MLB either, and shouldn’t have to be because they are already illegal.

  83. SJ44 February 7th, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    AL,

    They are both. No worries, its what makes the blog world go ’round. lol

  84. Psyluk February 7th, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    People act as though baseball has been spotless and clean until the recent steroid abuses. Let’s get real, baseball has had a history of players doing what they can to gain a competitive advantage over their opponents. Ty Cobb sharpened his spikes before games and then went into bags with his nails up. The spitball and ball scuffing went largely unnoticed for long periods of time. Players in the mid 20th century popped “greenies”, amphetamines that helped fight fatigue and enhance reaction, like they were Skittles.

    So please, to characterize the players from this generation as the only cheats is ridiculous. They aren’t the only ones.

  85. Betsy February 7th, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    Andruw Jones sees opportunity with the Rangers? LOL If he performed well, he would almost have guaranteed himself the starting CF job for the Yankees…..Oh well.

  86. Doreen February 7th, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    I am not so sure the other names will come out. I think there will be a vigilant effort to keep them anonymous, to control the leaks, by MLB or MLBPA. I think, unfortunately, Alex will bear the brunt, serve as the martyr, so to speak (though I do not think of him as a martyr).

  87. m February 7th, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    I don’t know why, maybe it’s been an emotional day. But this brings me close to tears:

    “I hear you, but it’s not something manager Joe Girardi says they’re considering at this time. The rotation — until further notice — will be Sabathia, Burnett, Chien-Ming Wang, Pettitte and Chamberlain.”

    Dayum.

    Betsy, you might want to read the rest of the mailbag. Hoch talks about Hughes.

    http://preview.tinyurl.com/mlb-mailbag

    There’s something on IPK, too. Speaking of, where’s trisha today? Can’t wait to hear what she has to say about today’s news. :)

  88. Joe from Long Island February 7th, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    Betsy, I tend to agree with you.

    Alex, if he doesn’t already, should avoid the media to keep as a self-preservation tactic, and go about having the best year possible. With the current testing, that should be all the proof necessary that he can produce while clean (OK, I’m not a chemist, so don’t try to pimp me on the science of testing.)

    Everyone of us has done things we’re not proud of. People should not be so judgmental.

    Question for the group – Does this news make anyone look at Barry Bonds in a different light?

  89. Ham Fighters February 7th, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    aaron’s record is safe for another 10 years…

  90. Psyluk February 7th, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    In a way, I can’t read news about this without feeling sad for A-Rod. He seems like a guy that’s been wandering around aimlessly looking for someplace where he can fit in and be accepted, only that’s never really happened before in his life. Jealousy certainly breeds contempt, but to see Alex seemingly put on this facade to try and please others in order for them to like him is a sad sight to see.

    I’m not exonerating A-Rod for what he did and he is certainly ahead for rough waters ahead, but I will be rooting for him to keep his head on his shoulders and not let this ruin his life. That said, it’s certainly easier to deal with all of this when you’re worth more than a quarter of a billion dollars.

  91. MaineYankee February 7th, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    I hate to admit this but Mitchell is from Maine. I guess I can blame it on the DC influence. :lol:

    Some have said that fans on other sites are all over the Yankees for this. They should relize they probably are next.

  92. Tarheelyank February 7th, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    From the Mitchel Report:
    “Because of certain actions by the Government in 2004 (which led to
    litigation, much of which has been under seal), the parties were forced to
    confront a serious threat to the confidentiality and integrity of our
    program. To combat that threat, and indeed to save the credibility of our
    program, the parties undertook certain measures in that year only. These
    were not unilateral actions undertaken by the MLBPA, but actions
    discussed and agreed upon between the MLBPA and the Commissioner’s
    Office. Each party was fully aware and in agreement with the steps the
    other was taking.
    The MLBPA believes that, by publishing in this Report anything related to
    these subjects, Senator Mitchell and the Commissioner’s Office are
    breaching promises of confidentiality made to the MLBPA and to its
    members.”

    A lot of people (press) got on the union for holding up testing. This latest “breach” is exactly what they were concerned about. If I was the head of the Union there would no more testing, until MLB could prove that they will abide by the agreement. MLB needs to take responsibilty for this mess. Now time to watch the Heels.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/news/mitchell/index.jsp

  93. Vader February 7th, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    Why do I feel like we have been through this before…oh yeah just substitute Clemens with A-Rod.

    And CaptainsCorner…how dare you bring up a real baseball story!

  94. randy l February 7th, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    “The sport just chooses to eat its own. Unlike say, the NFL for example.
    Until they decide to stop eating their own, they will continue to go down this path.”

    what possible reason would there be for baseball leadership to take down it’s biggest draws and so many of it’s players? the players are the product fans pay to see.
    is it simply a civil war between the union and owners, and the players who are caught in the crossfire are casualties?

    are the feds in bed with owners or some owners? it seems that way on the surface. the feds certainly aren’t on the side of the union.

    it obviously was a federal source that leaked the info to selena roberts. what is their motivation?

  95. Doreen February 7th, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    Joe from Long Island -

    I never through Bonds didn’t use something, BUT I always felt he was some sort of scapegoat or sacrificial lamb. I never thought he was the only one. I have never liked the way baseball has gone about dealing with this entire issue.

    So, no, my feelings on Bonds haven’t changed.

  96. ray (sox fan) February 7th, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    Yes I am a Sox fan but I believe in fairness.

    Accordingly it just isn’t right that out of 103 names only Arod’s name has been leaked to the public. I am not a fan of Arod’s but I am a fan of being fair and having the same standard for all players.

    Selena Roberts (very involved with the Duke lacrosse mess) has ably demonstrated that she is more interested in the sensational than the truth or being objective.

    Contrary to what some people think, I don’t believe for a minute that all of this will not affect Arod’s performance and approach to the game. He is sensitive to criticism and this will bother him.

  97. Doreen February 7th, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    ** I never thought !!!!! Bonds didn’t use something. Sheesh!

  98. Bret the Hitman February 7th, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    ASTERISK

  99. Bronx Jeers February 7th, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    “You didn’t “pay” for a clean game. Don’t be so naive.

    You “paid” to be entertained. You don’t like the sport, don’t go to it.”

    Don’t be so naive? Just how jaded are you?

    People have a right to be outraged and they definitely have the right to express such outrage without being called naive.

    This isn’t cinema, it’s sport and there is a reasonable expectation that what you are paying to witness is in fact “real”.

  100. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother February 7th, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    SJ and ALBK

    So the fans have no right and are idiots to ask for a fair and clean game? Why? Because everyone cheats?
    Throw me into your “uninformed, troll” list then too.
    No, SJ. I like baseball because I would like to see a sport I love played by great athletes on an even playing field. If I wanted something else I’d watch Hai-Alai.

  101. SJ44 February 7th, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    Joe,

    Unfortunately, in this celebrity driven culture we are in, people are always going to be judgmental toward successful people.

    It makes them feel good to see one take a fall. Sadly, its become the American Way for many these days.

    Alex is a big boy and he will handle the fallout. He has to. That’s just how it goes.

    He’s not this emotional fawn that the media and some fans portray him out to be, ready to collaspe at any given moment.

    He has been a very successful player for a very long time. For the uninitiated, steroids are not the magic elixir everybody is led to believe.

    Plenty of guys took them and still sucked as players.

    He has tested clean (as far as we know) in everyone of his Yankee drug tests as well as the drug tests he took at the WBC a few years back.

    Folks can convince themselves “everybody is dirty” or “everybody is clean” if they want.

    Me? I just watch the games and don’t make moral judgments on players.

    For parents who want to hold up athletes are “heroes” to you kids, do yourself a favor. Teach your kids they are HUMAN BEINGS like everybody else.

    Nothing more and nothing less.

    Just because they play a sport doesn’t make them a “hero”. It just makes them very good at something that gives people great entertainment.

  102. Doreen February 7th, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    I want to know what ARod did to Selena in this or a former life??

    Because now that I’ve digested the story and realize that, whatever her motives, the story is what it is, I want the backstory!

    :)

  103. E-Man February 7th, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    avoiding the public is the worst thing Alex can do. If he did it, own up to it and offer cooperation. If he didn’t do it, fight it anyway you can. Looking at your options and telling the media to talk to the union is incredibly stupid.

    Everyone is not perfect and I’m sure plenty of us have skeletons. The thing is though, none of us are getting paid 30 million dollars a year and yeah that money puts you on a higher standard than everyone else.

  104. Justin C February 7th, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    i think you guys should take a step back and wait for this to unfold…. you have 1 person saying that A-rod failed a test… who is to say its even true? just let it all play out guys

  105. randy l February 7th, 2009 at 4:38 pm

    ‘I hate to admit this but Mitchell is from Maine.”

    maine yankee-
    it’s even worse for me. muskie was very good friends with my uncle in waterville which one of my favorite places to visit as a kid. i hate thinking waterville produced george mitchell, but it did.

  106. JWEAV February 7th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    Why do roids appear to make bonds and arod super human, but guys like alex sanchez or benito Santiago still sucked.

  107. Sully February 7th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    This is the biggest test for Girardi

    He has a payroll of 200 million tomatoes, World Series expectations (even though they missed the playoffs last year) and has the zoo of the Torre book (remember that? That seems so quaint now) and the biggest star in the game with even MORE heat on him.

    He has to handle the team (which has some aging parts) the bullpen (which has a recovering Rivera in his late 30s) and needs to handle the A-Rod situation with steadier hands than Bond used to difuse that bomb at the end of Octopussy.

    If Girardi succeeds, then you have the next great Yankee manager for another decade.

    If he doesn’t he could be fired by the All Star Break

  108. m February 7th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    Maybe this is the reason why Alex has been so uptight for the last 5 years? Worried this would come out? Maybe he can relax now? Oh, I’m just grasping at straws.

    I’m still in shock, haven’t quited digested it, Doreen!

  109. Fran February 7th, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    Doreen, I agree with you. Why does Roberts have it in for Alex? Roberts said in her interview on MLB Netwotk that she was specifically interested in ARod because of a story she was doing and not in any of the other 103 names.

  110. NongEyeJon February 7th, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    Justin C,

    4 separate sources (not including the head conditioning/strength director for the Rangers) stated that A-Rod was using/tested positive. I don’t think it’s just 1 person.

  111. Psyluk February 7th, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    Brad Pitt, to insinuate that baseball has been a clean game before steroids is wrong. There are clear instances in which a player has cheated to get better on-the-field results (spitballs, scuffing, greenies). Does that make it right? Of course not. I’d love to see a clean game too.

    The reason why this is so ridiculous is because we’ve evolved into a society that blows up every single story into a firestorm overnight. Given the way information is presented to us (immediately via the internet) and how it’s packaged (sensationalism from journalists), it’s not a surprise. Poor Michael Phelps can tell you that.

    We all want to see a clean game. Baseball has not been a clean game, period. To make A-Rod the face of cheating when cheating preceded him by several decades is a matter of the celebrity status that has been given to him.

  112. Doreen February 7th, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    m -

    Maybe I’m just moving into denial. It took me a loooooong time to digest the Clemens mess last year, and then Pettitte. Now I see that kind of helps me here – it’s not a shock like those were to me. And I learned that I am not going to wake up tomorrow to a headline that says, “oops, it was all a big mistake.” The new baseball fan’s learning curve.

  113. SJ44 February 7th, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    When is there an “even” playing field in sports?

    Olympic sprinters? Nope.

    Swimmers? Nope.

    Football? Nope.

    As long as there have been sports, there have been people looking to gain an edge.

    In Golf, its beta blockers to lessen the yips.

    In NASCAR, its twofold cheating. Mechanics with the cares and drivers with drugs to keep their nerves steady.

    In Olympic sports, its looking to gain any edge positive because 1/100th of a second could be the difference between a gold medal (and lifetime wealth) and a silver medal (thanks for running in the Olympics).

    I hate to break it to some of you but, in any walk of life, where there is big money, there is a great chance folks will do whatever it takes to gain an advantage.

    That’s why you have cheating scandals in college sports, for example.

    As we have seen on Wall St. greed and fame are a toxic mix.

    You don’t have to like it. You just have to realize it exists and not be so naive about it.

    Its not limited to sports. It goes on EVERYWHERE.

    Where I live in South Florida, they had a cheating scandal to get into Pre-School!

    Think about that for a moment. A principal was taking kickbacks so certain kids got in despite not being qualified to do so.

    Sports is no different than real life.

    The sooner you realize that, the better off you will be.

  114. Nick in SF February 7th, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    Was “Ha!!” just delayed-trauma ‘roid rage? Yeesh.

    m.: upset that CMW was #3 and not #2, or…?

  115. Anon February 7th, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    “# Ham Fighters February 7th, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    aaron’s record is safe for another 10 years…

    Hank was on the juice. Wake up.

  116. Sully February 7th, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    JWEAV,

    Benito Santiago came back from a long injury to suddenly be built like post spinach Popeye and won the 2002 NLCS MVP

    We weren’t even talking ‘roids then and my buddy and I were saying “Wow. He’s a juicer!”

  117. NongEyeJon February 7th, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    Would it be better or worse for A-Rod to admit usage?

  118. Tom February 7th, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    Sully, agreed, Girardi needs three sets of hands right now to juggle this mess.

    And I do miss the more innocent days of last week- when everybody was pissed about the Torre book.

  119. Doreen February 7th, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    Lenny Dykstra comes to mind as an early user. He want from the guy you kick the sand onto to the guy who kicks the sand seemingly overnight.

  120. Joe from Long Island February 7th, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    SJ44 – I agree. The one good thing, I suppose, that we should take away from all this is that ballplayers, like singers, actors, and dancers, provide entertainment. And we should admire them for the enjoyment that they provide us, but not look to them as role models.

    The Beatles wrote and performed some pretty good music. How much of that was due to performance-enhancing drugs? Does that make their music any less good, or likable? Of course not. Still, I would not point them out to my kids as any sort of role model.

    Enough for now. I’ve got to head to Mass to say a prayer for some people in need. Something that puts this stuff today in perspective.

    Later, all.

  121. Psyluk February 7th, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    I believe it would be better for him to fess up to what he did. What he did at the time was not illegal in 2003 and he has not tested positive since. The record shows that people who come clean or at least semi-clean with PED use (Giambi, Pettitte) and have shown contrition for what they’ve done usually end up back on the playing field with less scrutiny than if they had denied everything (Palmeiro, Bonds, McGwire). It might also show Yankees fans an actual side of A-Rod that’s not glossed over by a veneer of someone who wants to fit in. I think that’s where he has the most to gain. Of course, certain people will never forgive him, but that’s something that he has to come to grips with.

  122. Sully February 7th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    I said it before…
    I produce for a TV show. It’s not a great show but it is work.

    If I found out the producers of The Tonight Show or some other huge show were all taking a pill… and that pill wasn’t 100% legal… but they all used it and got to produce on one of the great TV institutions of all time…

    I’d take that pill!

    It’s hard for me to pass judgement on these guys

  123. Al from BK February 7th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    “SJ and ALBK

    So the fans have no right and are idiots to ask for a fair and clean game? Why? Because everyone cheats?
    Throw me into your “uninformed, troll” list then too.
    No, SJ. I like baseball because I would like to see a sport I love played by great athletes on an even playing field. If I wanted something else I’d watch Hai-Alai.”

    Do you know the facts yet?! You are already coloring Arod bad because of an erroneous report that is being released by a woman only interested in making money. As Ray said above this same woman was involved with the Duke Lacrosse scandal. Four young men had their reputations dragged through the mud for 2 years before the injustice was corrected. Now information that was supposed to be anonymous is being paraded around attempting to destroy the career of an athlete who carries this sport for better or worse. The bottom line is that the media and journalists dont care about facts they care about creating a frenzy and selling newspapers. I am glad that I did not buy Joe T’s book and now my revenge on this woman will be to tell everyone I know to not buy her book either. I need facts and at the moment I’m hearing a few “anonymous” reports about something that happened 6 years ago. Why I ask is this just now coming out? Could it have anything to do with the fact that the media/news industry is in the toilet along with SI and they needed this sensation to sell subscribtions again?!

  124. Psyluk February 7th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    Right now, Joe Torre is probably angry that the A-Rod news has rendered his book back page fodder.

  125. SJ44 February 7th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    Not saying I condone cheating in my above post.

    Just saying, this Shangri-La, “I want a clean game” doesn’t exist.

    When it comes to PED’s, the masking agents are ALWAYS ahead of the users.

    In other words, its virtually IMPOSSIBLE for ANY sport to say they are “clean”.

    They hope they are but, they can’t guarantee it.

    That’s just the way it is.

    Take the big money out of sports and it will get “clean” again.

    Since we are in the real world and know that won’t happen, you just have to manage your expectations and not make these guys out to be more than what they are.

    People with an incredible gift to play a game. They are not more important than that.

    If they are in your life, you need to re-adjust your priorities.

  126. GMAN February 7th, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    After the players strike…the lords of Baseball were on a mission to re-popularize the sport with the American Public…It’s all about the money.

    It’s pretty obvious that steroid use was rampant in baseball
    From the Commissioner’s Office on down to the field and support staff…everybody had an incentive to juice for outsized performance and money that went with it.

    Payers put up insane numbers…fans filled the stands…owners were rolling in the dough…paid the players insane money and managers, coaches and trainers took credit for being smart…improving player technique and strength.

    It’s not just baseball…it all of sports.

    Balco was in track and field, football, baseball…you name it…Dana Stubblefield revelations in football are just coming to light…watch out 49er fans…

    It is an outrage the the government allows leaking of this information…it is a witch hunt…a media grab and more money to be made covering the scandal.

    My advice is never cheat. Never use PED’s.
    If you are stupid enough to use PED’s then at least be smart enough to never comment on it & never, ever take a test unless forced to under court order.

    Otherwise you will be spending a huge amount of money to defend yourself in court…and defending your public image from those with unlimited resources who seek your personal destruction…you will also be forced to rat out others to get a lighter sentence.

    The man that was empowered to oversee the game, protect it’s image and it’s integrity should be immediately fired and placed in the Hall of Shame! That’s means you Commissioner Bud Selig…you failed the gmae and all those who love it!

  127. NongEyeJon February 7th, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    Psyluk,

    I happen to agree. He needs to come clean. It’s the only way this becomes less of a distraction, if that’s possible. But seeing Alex the past 4 years, I don’t know if I see him admitting it.

  128. Sully February 7th, 2009 at 4:50 pm

    Psyluk,

    Yes it WAS illegal in 2003

    Just because it wasn’t tested for nor included in the collective bargaining doesn’t mean it wasn’t illegal in terms the laws of America.

    I don’t think the CBA specifically banned holding up a gas station, but it’s illegal

    (I know that analogy doesn’t 100% work, but give me a break)

  129. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother February 7th, 2009 at 4:50 pm

    Gee, thanks SJ.
    The scales have fallen from my eyes.
    Any way by any means… hmmm. It’s all good. I see now.

    BTW, where would you draw the line at getting what you want? Is there a line? You in politics? If so there’s a job opening in Illinois coming up you are probably qualified for.

  130. Psyluk February 7th, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    Nongeyejon,

    You’re probably right. A-Rod is an egomaniac and is obsessed with his image to the public. It would be nice to see this guy drop the act and be himself. Unfortunately, I don’t even know if he knows what that is.

  131. B-D-4 straphanger February 7th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    Friday: Physicals for pitchers & catchers

    Saturday: First day of workouts for pitchers & catchers . . .

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCBUzzBm4cg

  132. Ethan February 7th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    A-Rod should sue both the MLB and MLBPA for this. The MLB for lying about a confidential test (if it’s coded it’s not confidential as someone said before) and the MLBPA for failing to destroy the results. He’d also have a case against the sources who filed this report since they were breaking the law as well.

    He may have cheated, but dammit he should be suing the living hell out of these people. Slander to the highest level. It may be true, but it’s still legally slander.

  133. RSM February 7th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    How do we know, for sure, that Ruth and Aaron weren’t juiced? Exhumation anyone?
    .
    .
    .
    is it just too soon for comic relief?
    :)

  134. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 4:54 pm

    “No, SJ. I like baseball because I would like to see a sport I love played by great athletes on an even playing field.”

    It’s certainly idealistic, at the very least. Especially in the last 20 years of baseball, and probably more.

    It’s been an even playing field. Steroid use was widespread and rampant amongst all teams. Just not a *clean* even playing field. That’s all.

  135. SJ44 February 7th, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    Not in politics.

    Also not on Fantasy Island either.

    These are human beings. Human beings make mistakes. Human beings do things they sometimes regret. Human beings sometimes do things they know are wrong, hope they don’t get caught, and end up getting caught.

    In the end, they are human beings. No different than you or I.

    The size of their tax returns don’t make them “better”.

    Once you figure that out, you won’t get so crushed when one of your “heroes” disappoints you.

  136. Psyluk February 7th, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    Sully,

    The steroid policy that was implemented in 2002 would have punished first time offenders by offering a treatment program for the player. There was no mention of the current 50-game suspension for first-time offenders, which was implemented in the updated steroid policy in 2005. So was what he did wrong? If you’re looking at it from a strict policy sense, then yes. But was it punishable? Other than the treatment program, which was the standard at the time, no.

    I don’t agree with what A-Rod has allegedly done. But it’s not punishable under the current policy.

  137. Pete February 7th, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    Out of just idle curiosity, If AROD tested positive in 2003, why was he not tested at all in 2004-2008???? Or hasn’t Selena Roberts seen those confidental drug test results yet??
    Surely if he was a user in 2003, one would think they would test him again !!!

    Or perhaps it just isn’t true ???? Impossible, The press would never lie.

  138. Psyluk February 7th, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    Pete, I’m sure that he’s been tested plenty of times since 2003. The only tangible evidence they have is from that one sample.

  139. Lara08 February 7th, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    He was tested after 2003.

  140. Sully February 7th, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    quick question

    if you found out damon , papi, schilling and Millar all were on roids while coming back from the 3-0 hole, would there be as many “Hey, everyone uses it. What’s the big deal? This reporter has an axe to grind!” comments.

    Personally as a Sox fan I DO believe Papi, Manny, Schilling, Millar, Vartek et al were probably on something

    If this were those players, all the talk would be to strip the Sox of their title, the Curse is still alive, they needed to cheat in order to beat the Yankees… etc etc etc

    I agree that because everyone was using them, it’s tough to condemn one team or player.

    Players like Bonds, McGwire, Clemens and A-Rod are bigger targets because they were the biggest stars and frankly they kind of brought it onto themselves.

    All that being said… can I erase those two homers that Giambi hit off of Pedro in game 7 of the 2003 ALCS?

  141. Al from BK February 7th, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    Ethan- Great points. If I took an “anonymous” test and several years later someone looking to kill my reputation found out the results I would have the best attorneys in the world working to convict that person and the person who leaked that info. Regardless of how you feel about A-Rod this test was supposed to be anonymous how someone looking to benefit from A-rods suffering found and published this information is beyond me.

  142. randy l February 7th, 2009 at 5:01 pm

    sj44

    do yankees fans need to worry about teixeira being one of those names on the list?

    he was there with arod that year. he did hit 38 and 43 homers the next two year and hasn’t hit more than 33 since .

  143. Tom February 7th, 2009 at 5:01 pm

    I guess, Sully, having dealt with Giambi may have numbed us from this. Sure Giambi cheated, but we cheered him. We’ll cheer Arod too.

  144. Jeremy February 7th, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    The salt on the wound is that Selena Roberts broke this story. She has a history of writing hatchet jobs about ARod.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10.....html?fta=y

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12.....berts.html

    Her upcoming book is called Hit and Run: The Many Lives of Alex Rodriguez.

    This would be bad enough if I didn’t feel like the reporter behind the story was also gloating over it.

  145. beefy February 7th, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    Do you think Jeter knew?
    Him and Arod use to be best buds and it seems like it would give a better explanation to why Jeter has seemed so bitter over Arod’s comments in that GQ article. Wouldn’t you be pissed if your supposed best friend basically called you Robin to his Batman, especially if you knew Batman was cheating and you were not?

  146. SJ44 February 7th, 2009 at 5:03 pm

    Randy,

    I doubt it. I’ve never heard his name associated with PED’s.

  147. E-Man February 7th, 2009 at 5:03 pm

    “The size of their tax returns don’t make them “better”.”

    lol BS.

    The more money you got, the more you get away. You’re on a higher standard than everyone else.

  148. Lara08 February 7th, 2009 at 5:03 pm

    “Once you figure that out, you won’t get so crushed when one of your “heroes” disappoints you.”

    Amen. Makes it so much easier when you don’t have any grand delusions that this is Little League where we’re teaching playing fair and being nice.

  149. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother February 7th, 2009 at 5:03 pm

    Angel.
    Do you know anyone who ALMOST made it to the bigs but didn’t because they were by-passed for a PED user?
    Not a fair playing field nor a clean one.

  150. Sully February 7th, 2009 at 5:03 pm

    Psyluk, I know what the steroid policy was officially.
    (Unofficially of course it was “Holy Cow! Look at all of these fans here to see homers!”)

    Saying it was not illegal is not true at all.
    That was my point.

    I don’t think ANY positive tests should be brought up now.

    I think steroids should handled the way Paul Sorvino handled Ray Liotta’s drug dealing in GoodFellas.

    He said “You did what you had to do in prison but it stops now.”

    Basically “Look, you all used it. And we all got rich from it. Fine. Starting RIGHT NOW we’re going to clean it up. Whatever you did before testing was implemented you did… let’s move on.”

    That would be consistent if the point would be to clean the game up.
    If the point is to get famous baseball players to stammer while wearing a suit then keep doing it this way.

    It would be a lot more effective to say “All Tests Prior To The New Testing Are Meaningless! MOVE FORWARD!”

    But that isn’t as sexy as seeing Mark McGwire wet the bed in front of congress

  151. Psyluk February 7th, 2009 at 5:04 pm

    Sully,

    If Damon, Ortiz and Manny were the only 3 players whose names were released out of a list of over 100, then yes, I would be making the exact same argument that I am now, which is that A-Rod may be the biggest fly on the wall, but there are plenty of players who deserve to be there with him.

    No one is arguing the angle that steroids are wrong and that A-Rod, if guilty, deserves to have his credibility shot down. The fact that Selena Roberts was prominently involved in the Duke lacrosse scandal and released this article while simultaneously writing a book about A-Rod is absolutely an invitation for people to question her motives. Wouldn’t you have a problem if she was writing a book on Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz and chose to out them out of everyone?

    Again, no one argues the demerits of steroids. I argue that A-Rod is one of many, not just the only one. That’s the biggest problem I have and that’s the biggest problem Roberts and Epstein have until they release the full list.

  152. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 5:05 pm

    “if you found out damon , papi, schilling and Millar all were on roids while coming back from the 3-0 hole, would there be as many “Hey, everyone uses it. What’s the big deal? This reporter has an axe to grind!” comments.”

    No, firstly I already think most of them are guilty of it at some point in their careers.

    Secondly, don’t you think the fact that this is a reporter with not only an axe to grind, but a book to sell makes her motives a tad more questionable? Especially given that she had access to 104 names and chose only to release the name she could gain directly from. This isn’t about MLB, steroids in sport, Yankee fans not liking Red Sox players or even the just the Yankees for her. Its about Alex Rodriguez, and him alone. She’s hitched her wagon to him. I guess she had to have something to do after the way the Duke lacrosse story turned out.

    Thirdly, I’ve always believed steroid use was widespread, so it wouldn’t change my stance in that regard either.

  153. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother February 7th, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    That’s all, SJ.
    I see where you are with this.

    I’ll go back to my Fantasy Island since I actually believe PED’s in baseball can be resolved and don’t just accept the sheeit sandwich that some say I must.

    You should look into politics though, really…

  154. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    I think steroids should handled the way Paul Sorvino handled Ray Liotta’s drug dealing in GoodFellas.

    He said “You did what you had to do in prison but it stops now.”

    ****************************************************

    Heh. I could get on board with that. Not only because its one of my favorite movies (weird for a girl, I know), but because I think that’s exactly the way it should have been handled.

    Unfortunately, the US government and some in the media don’t seem to agree with that.

  155. randy l February 7th, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    “I doubt it. I’ve never heard his name associated with PED’s.”

    sj44

    thanks, that’s good to hear.

    don’t answer if you don’t feel comfortable about it, but does it surprise you being in so florida that arod has tested positive?

    i was actually surprised when he wasn’t in the mitchell report.

  156. DT February 7th, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    “Selena Roberts is an excellent reporter, someone who has always done thorough work and is incredibly respected in the journalism business. I do not believe for one second she would “make this up,” as one person wrote to me, or otherwise fabricate it. Add to that Sports Illustrated’s standards and history, and it’s very difficult to believe this story isn’t true.”

    Pete/Sam –
    I’m not trying to shoot the Selena messenger. (and I’ve missed the Roberts/MLB interview being at work all day)

    We heard the same spiel with Verducci and the Torre book -”he’s a fine reporter… yada yada yada”. I understand reporters stick up for reporters – hey, it’s your profession, I wouldn’t expect anything different – but in all things there are lots of shades of gray. Everything isn’t black and white.

    What is the motive for Roberts doing this? Yes, she is writing an Arod book. Yes, she is good at digging for info.

    But is there a point – where a reporter asks themselves – should I be going here? Am I breaking new ground – or am I hurting the sport I am covering?

    Steroids aren’t a scoop. She isn’t breaking any new ground here. She is just opening a scab that was just starting to heal. This isn’t about Arod for me. Or a Yankee thing. It could have been any “big name”.

    I understand reporting isn’t the most lucrative profession -and sometimes reporters supplement their income with books.
    (personally, I wonder if there isn’t a bit of jealousy sometimes – with the crazy salaries athletes make)

    But is there a line that can be crossed? – or has the entire world now turned into a big TMZ tell-all blur?

  157. Betsy February 7th, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    M, thanks! I posted this a couple of days ago – ah, I wish I could go back to those innocent days. I’m stil very bummed. I have some shows I taped on the MLB network (WS highlights, etc…..) that I can’t even bring myself to watch. There is Clemente special tonight that I will watch (or tape, if I’m not home), but everything else regarding baseball is too painful.

    ST and the whole 2009 season (at least right now, for me) is tainted. The media will be all over ST – no one is going to care about CC, AJ and Tex. No one is going to care about anything other than steroids. I hope Alex is up to the task of facing down taunts at home and on the road. If not, he and the Yankees are in trouble

  158. PAT M. February 7th, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    While in Oakland , Johnny Damon was using steroids according to Cathy Beane, former wife of Billy Beane….She told me this very matter of factly a few weeks after he signed with the Yanks….She predicted he’d have injuriy issues…..

  159. ANSKY February 7th, 2009 at 5:10 pm

    Just scanning over the past few threads titles, Sam …. You know, isn’t it funny how this big A-Roid controversy sprung up in a thread immediately after you’d titled the Jeter thread “The Next Controversy”? At that time, the next controversy was what to do about Jeter’s next contract. IMO that’s not much of a controversy, being 2 years in advance and all, and besides he can probably continue to play SS at least adequately for a few years more than he’s already contracted to. Then the thread immediately after that was on Joba. As we all know, he’s just about put his rotation/bullpen debate-roversy to sleep although some don’t realize it yet. And suddenly right then, all hell breaks loose on who else but A-Rod?

    It just keeps awn gettin better’nbetter, duddnit?

    Well, at least suddenly everyone’s not talking about Torre’s book controversy.

  160. Lara08 February 7th, 2009 at 5:10 pm

    Roberts’ motives are irrelevant. The double standards by the public and media does annoy the hell out of me though.

  161. jennifer February 7th, 2009 at 5:10 pm

    Michael Phelps must be thrilled he is no longer on the front page of the paper for smoking a bong.

    Another thing that has me ticked football players test positive every year, and nothing is said! Only thing i’ve heard is how will we get by with out him for x weeks.

    I know baseball is different in it has stats everyone cares about.

    But back to baseball, the thing that has me now is the lack of the other 103 names. I caught this *** on CNN she’s going through how it is supposed to be anonymous blah blah blah. So why’d you write the story than? Also she doesn’t care to find out the other 103 names? Why? I know Alex is the biggest name in bb but there are other big names likely on that list. What did Alex ever do to her?

  162. ray (sox fan) February 7th, 2009 at 5:10 pm

    “Again, no one argues the demerits of steroids. I argue that A-Rod is one of many, not just the only one. That’s the biggest problem I have and that’s the biggest problem Roberts and Epstein have until they release the full list.”

    Psyluk, I totally agree with you that Selena Roberts has deomonstrated what her motives are and that she doesn’t care about the truth as in the Dule lacrosse case.

    But what does Epstein have to do with all of this? To my knowledge he had nothing to do with the release of Arod’s name.

  163. Sully February 7th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    Tom,

    The Yankees EVENTUALLY cheered Giambi
    But remember the whole “DUMP THE BUM” campaign in the post?

    He was booed mercilessly that year after his mysterious illness that kept him out of the 2004 playoffs. (That whole season I was saying to my buddy “I bet he went cold turkey off of roids and his body is collapsing.” I have seen or read nothing to make me feel I was wrong.)

    He was booed left and right and the pulse from most Yankee fans I talked to was “We HAVE to just dump this guy.”

    That had less to do with his using roids (Sheffield never got any flack) and more with the fact that he wasn’t hitting.

    Remember he had a sub .200 average in May and Torre was considering sending him to AAA?

    The fans cheered him when he started hitting again.

  164. thurman15 February 7th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    If nothing else, doesn’t this indicate the need for congressional action? These stories aren’t going to end until such time as transparency is forced upon the sport. Why force it? Because MLB, the union, the owners, the players, agents, clubhouse guys, etc. all have a huge dis-incentive to provide accurate info. Until that occurs, tell me how MLB is not on the same level as the WWE. Bottom line – Bud Selig = Vince McMahon;

  165. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    “Do you know anyone who ALMOST made it to the bigs but didn’t because they were by-passed for a PED user?
    Not a fair playing field nor a clean one.”

    Do you? Otherwise that’s just throwing out theoretical semantics. It’d be fairly hard to prove they were passed over for that reason, anyway. Maybe they’re just not as good at baseball?

    Besides, that doesn’t account for players who ARE playing MLB that don’t appear to have the talent for it. :)

  166. Bronx Jeers February 7th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    “The Beatles wrote and performed some pretty good music. How much of that was due to performance-enhancing drugs? Does that make their music any less good, or likable? Of course not.”

    This is just ridiculous. I mean come on. The Beatles cheated?

    Maybe I’m old fashioned maybe I’m naive but IMHO, emery boards in the back pocket, sand paper in the glove, vaseline on the hat brim, corked bats etc. is NOT even in the same ballpark as introducing dangerous chemicals into the body yet all are considered cheating.

    There is a spectrum regarding methods of gaining an edge.

  167. ANSKY February 7th, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    By the way …

    I haven’t read much on it, and don’t plan to get all caught up in the spectacle. But is Canseco involved in this in any way at all? Even like, way in the background? Be interesting to find out.

  168. jennifer February 7th, 2009 at 5:14 pm

    If Yankee fans are smart (which sometimes I question), they will cheer Alex roids or no roids. Fact remains, unless there is some sort of clause in his contract we are ‘stuck’ with him for the next 9 years. He will not walk away from $250 million.

  169. Josh February 7th, 2009 at 5:14 pm

    People need to lay off A-Rod. If he really did take steroids, so what? The majority of people in Baseball back then were using steroids. He’s one of the greatest players to ever play the game, and people need to stop looking for excuses to refute that.

  170. Psyluk February 7th, 2009 at 5:14 pm

    DT, I have to disagree slightly with what you’re saying. It’s perfectly alright for journalists to dig deeper into a mystery in order to get to the root of a problem. Roberts’ biggest problem is actually NOT revealing everything that could possibly be revealed. There are guys sitting at home right now relieved that A-Rod is getting heat for something that they did.

    This has everything to do with the way that information is gathered and presented to the public. We’re not privy to all of the information that can possibly be elicited from journalists and their sources, so we can only go by what we see and hear on a daily basis. A-Rod’s reputation has been left to wither and die by someone who obviously knows much more than we all do, and that’s what bothers me about the whole thing.

    I have no problem with journalists ripping scabs open in order to elicit the truth and shed light on issues that can be resolved in the future. My problem is that members of the media have absolute control over what and how material is presented to an unwilling public. It’s dishonest and serves notice that in today’s world, a complete truth isn’t necessary.

  171. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother February 7th, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    Not following your thought process there Angel but I think I am safe in assuming the usage of PED’s and who knows what else is OK with you.
    That’s your opinion and you are allowed to it, it’s just not mine.

  172. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    “Roberts’ motives are irrelevant.”

    They’re not really all that irrelevant, though. Not when she had access to 104 names in front of her, and chose only to release the one that would give her the most financial/personal gain. Isn’t that a double standard?

  173. ANSKY February 7th, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    Sam, Pete … where would one look for a Canseco connection here if there was one?

  174. Sully February 7th, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    thurman15

    CONGRESSIONAL ACTION?
    That was a joke right?

    I think there are a few things to do, a few economies to fix, a few roads to build, a few wars to end, a few former Vice Presidents to prosecute and a few schools and health care system to fix before we start having congressional hearings.

    Call me crazy but fixing the country after the last 8 wonderful years should ge t a smidge of a priority

  175. beefy February 7th, 2009 at 5:16 pm

    do you guys think Jeter knew?

  176. Psyluk February 7th, 2009 at 5:16 pm

    Ray,

    I was under the assumption that since Epstein was a co-author of the article, he had to have known that the only player named would be A-Rod and no one else. In that sense, I blame him for not pressing Roberts to release the full list.

    But then again, I only know what I know from the articles at hand. Who knows what happened behind the scenes.

  177. Nick in SF February 7th, 2009 at 5:16 pm

    If you take away all of the Beatles’ #1 records beause of PED use, who becomes the new pop music champ? Pat Boone?

    PAT M: I hope you’re enjoying the Arizona game as I am. ;)

  178. Doreen February 7th, 2009 at 5:16 pm

    Lara08 -

    They’re irrelevant (Roberts’ motives) but intriguing nonetheless.

  179. Doreen February 7th, 2009 at 5:16 pm

    Lara08 -

    They’re irrelevant (Roberts’ motives) but intriguing nonetheless.

  180. Josh February 7th, 2009 at 5:16 pm

    Jennifer,

    The Yankees aren’t ‘stuck’ with A-Rod. They are more than happy to have him. If you don’t like A-Rod, don’t cheer for him. It’s as simple as that.

  181. ANSKY February 7th, 2009 at 5:16 pm

    Some good points about control of information, Psyluk

  182. Tom February 7th, 2009 at 5:17 pm

    Sully, exactly- we wanted Giambi gone because he sucked. The second he started hitting again we voted him comeback player of the year and wore fake mustaches as a ploy to get him into the ASG last season.

    We welcomed Pettitte back with opened arms. We cheered Shef-until he called Torre a racist.

  183. PAT M. February 7th, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    Speaking of The Beatles, it’s hard to believe this, but it was 45 years ago today that they arrived at NYC’s JFK …Played Ed Sullivan that Sunday and the world changed forever…..Music’s Big Bang….

  184. Boston Dave February 7th, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    “These are human beings. Human beings make mistakes. Human beings do things they sometimes regret. Human beings sometimes do things they know are wrong, hope they don’t get caught, and end up getting caught.”

    ————————-

    you forgot one. humans are greedy bastards.

    I can’t honestly say I wouldn’t use PED’s if it meant millions of dollars and my employer wasn’t going to punish me even if I got caught. Heck, I am pretty sure I would have used back then along with every other player.

    I can’t blame players for doing something I would have done myself.

    That was 2003. Now it’s out in the open. Now there are penalties. As long as players can stay clean now, no issue.

  185. ANSKY February 7th, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    Nick –

    Certainly not Dylan, the Doors, the Rolling Stones, or Neil Young. Or Hendricks & Joplin for that matter.

  186. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    “Not following your thought process there Angel but I think I am safe in assuming the usage of PED’s and who knows what else is OK with you.”

    You’re clearly not following, because nowhere did I say that. Don’t put words into my mouth that were never said or implied, it’s disingenuous – at best.

  187. Lara08 February 7th, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    If its worth getting hits to their declining brand, SI will release names in a drop drop fashion.

  188. Joey's Poodle February 7th, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    Ray (sox fan),

    I guess you didn’t read the story?

    Roberts and Epstein had a dual by-line.

    For some reason one of them is being vilified and the other one is getting a pass.

    Enquiring minds wonder why…

  189. Gman February 7th, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    Arod was probably the biggest name on the list. I’m sure that a few others will leak in the coming weeks.

  190. Scared of the Wall February 7th, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    “But what does Epstein have to do with all of this? To my knowledge he had nothing to do with the release of Arod’s name.”

    Ray,

    The co-author’s name is David Epstein, it was not a reference to Theo Epstein if that’s what you were wondering. :)

  191. Psyluk February 7th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    Joey’s Poodle,

    It has to do with the credibility of Roberts and the fact that she is writing a book about A-Rod. Enquiring minds can stop there as to why people have more question about her motives than his.

  192. Tom February 7th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    Ted Nudgent, Nick. Dude’s a teetotaler. I hate the man.

  193. bru February 7th, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    i knew for sure arod used steroids,imo.

    go look at the katie courik(spelling) interview when she asked him.the facial expression & he twitched his lip to the side.as soon as i saw his reaction i knew immediately.

    i know it sounds crazy but watch the interview when she asks him & he denies it,you can tell he was lying.

  194. Boston Dave February 7th, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    I am officially leaking that David Ortiz, Albert Pujols, Ken Griffey Jr, and Edwar Ramirez used steroids. I have two anonymous sources. Book deal to follow.

    Wow, this is easy!

  195. Psyluk February 7th, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    Edwar Ramirez WISHES he were on steroids. A strong gust of wind would blow him all the way to Boston.

  196. jennifer February 7th, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    Josh- you notice I put it in quotes? I don’t by any means think we are “stuck” with him. I’m just saying that because other people feel that.

    Anyone know Selena Roberts email address? I’d like to know why she didn’t release all the names? And ask her what Alex ever did to her? Did he rebuff her?

  197. dennis-costanza(sox fan) February 7th, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    I think Ray thought Epstein=Theo in this case .. JMO.

    -dennis

  198. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    If its worth getting hits to their declining brand, SI will release names in a drop drop fashion.

    You mean ARod alone isn’t enough to get hits to their declining brand? :) I think it is.

    Granted I haven’t actually read a Sports Illustrated since my “free gift subscription” ran out sometime around the time “The Loneliest Yankee” was printed, so I might be out of touch with how bad things have gotten there, I guess.

  199. ray (sox fan) February 7th, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    I’m sorry, I drew a conclusion without doing all my homework.

    When I saw the name Epstein I was thinking of Theo Epstein.

    My bad!

  200. jennifer February 7th, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    Boston Dave- Who are your other 3 sources? I know I told you that I heard from a friend of a friend’s uncles friends brother.

  201. jennifer February 7th, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    Angel- SI the new Star magazine?

  202. Psyluk February 7th, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    I wouldn’t have a problem with Roberts if she released A-Rod’s name as part of the full list of players. Concealing information opens the door for bumpkins like us to question her motives and credibility. I wouldn’t even care if she were writing a book about A-Rod if everyone else was revealed. By outing A-Rod, she invites that line of questioning onto herself.

  203. Boston Dave February 7th, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    “Anyone know Selena Roberts email address? I’d like to know why she didn’t release all the names?”

    I believe she stated that she was only interested in releasing Alex’s name because of the book she is in the midst of writing.

    Heck, if she only wants to use 1 name, I’ll gladly write a book about the other 103. Anybody know how I can get in contact with the jackasses in the government who are willing to leak confidential info to the public?

  204. Frankie speaking . . . February 7th, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    Mitchell report . . . .

    http://www.boston.com/interact.....ll_report/

    Where is A-Rod ?

  205. ANSKY February 7th, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    I’m going to wait until there’s more discovered before judging anyone. Even then, I may not change my opinion onm the whole thing. I’m CONFIDENT there were more than those 104 players and whoever was in the Mitchell report juicing before ’04. I’d actually be surprised if there was a single team in the big leagues where all of their players weren’t doing it.

    Why pinpoint just A-Rod out of the whole lot? That’s another thing someone should get to the root of, isn’t it? What’s really involved there? Illegal selling or manipulating of private or confidential information? Blackmail? Is said journalist unknowingly assisting someone else in doing this but digging? Is anybody going to get on the case of those involved in that kind of stuff?

  206. Psyluk February 7th, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    ray (sox fan) February 7th, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    I’m sorry, I drew a conclusion without doing all my homework.

    When I saw the name Epstein I was thinking of Theo Epstein.

    My bad!
    —————————————-

    i don’t blame you. The gorilla suit incident made us all realize that he’s a pretty sneaky guy to begin with :)

  207. Boston Dave February 7th, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    “Boston Dave- Who are your other 3 sources? I know I told you that I heard from a friend of a friend’s uncles friends brother.”

    jennifer – I’ll never tell!! And people will buy my book anyway! That’s the beauty of it :)

  208. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    Angel- SI the new Star magazine?

    Oh is it now? I gave my old issues to the lady next door to use to empty out her cat litter box into. I thought that was very environmentally responsible of me. :lol:

  209. Nick in SF February 7th, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    I don’t know how big a hit “Cat Scratch Fever” was, but I think Pat Boone has the Nuge beat.

  210. RhapsodyInBlue February 7th, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    How’s that Mitchell Report looking today?

    Thorough huh? Guess we put that scandal behind us.

  211. randy l February 7th, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    pat m.

    shhhhh. those pain pills are making you say things you don’t want to say :)

  212. jennifer February 7th, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    Boston Dave- Exactly. If Alex’s name was released among the other 103, I wouldn’t have as much of an issue. My issue is if she had access to get his name, she surely had access to the other 103. Why keep it quiet? It doesn’t meet her agenda.

    I know it was already brought up but…
    http://www.timeswatch.org/arti.....14135.aspx

  213. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    jennifer – I’ll never tell!! And people will buy my book anyway! That’s the beauty of it :)
    ***********************************************************

    Ain’t that the truth.

  214. raymagnetic February 7th, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    Just woke up from a tremendous alchohol induced stupor. All I have to say is wow, just wow. :shock:

  215. jennifer February 7th, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    or this.

    http://backporch.fanhouse.com/.....wrong-abo/

    She clearly has some credibility issues.

  216. Boston Dave February 7th, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    Hey,

    If Selena Roberts has the government hookup, maybe she’ll at least write a book on JFK, Roswell, and who was really behind 9/11.

  217. GreenBeret7 February 7th, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    bru
    February 7th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
    i knew for sure arod used steroids,imo.

    go look at the katie courik(spelling) interview when she asked him.the facial expression & he twitched his lip to the side.as soon as i saw his reaction i knew immediately.

    i know it sounds crazy but watch the interview when she asks him & he denies it,you can tell he was lying.

    ————————————————————

    I can also tell when you’re lying because your sentence structure, capitalization,use of punctuation, spelling and lack of any useful information stinks.

  218. Boston Dave February 7th, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    Does anybody know if Roberts is claiming that she knows other names but isn’t interested in releasing them?

    Or is she saying she was told there are other names but was only given Alex’s name?

    There is a huge difference. Ethics went out the window a long time ago but still…

  219. GreenBeret7 February 7th, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    Correction: ***capitalization, use of punctuation***

  220. PAT M. February 7th, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    Randy I, This is square business….She was very open about quite a few players fron the Frat Boys of Oakland in the early 2000′s…..Her Father was pitcher Tom Sturivant who pitched for the Yanks in the 50′s….Her and Billy had been together since their HS days…..She’s been around the game all her life……Fine looking women, and likes vodka on the rocks……I see her at least twice a year….

  221. trisha - NY Yankees, 2009 World Champions February 7th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    1. Happy he wasn’t with the Yankees when he tested positive.

    2. I don’t want him on the Yankees anymore.

    3. That of course is my right to feel that way.

  222. trisha - NY Yankees, 2009 World Champions February 7th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    That is if what has been leaked it true. Since Arod said “no comment” I fear it is.

  223. rk February 7th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    It is shocking tht SI was able to find four independent criminals apparently working for the federal court system willing to release harmfull confidentail medical information about somebody who has broken no laws. I hope all four of them a prosecuted and serve jail time.

    I’m also quite upset that AROD most likely juiced up at least for a portion of his career.

  224. Alex Rodriguez February 7th, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    Usually players that take steroids always start to have injury issues.

  225. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    “Just woke up from a tremendous alchohol induced stupor.”

    I’m thinking right now that I might need to start one of those. :(

  226. Psyluk February 7th, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    Who knows what Roberts’ motives were?

    As long as journalists are allowed to conceal information and have selective power over what’s being shown to the public without being called out by the same members of their profession, it will continue to happen. Roberts just happens to be a member of a system that allows her to exploit this loophole for potential personal gain. The pursuit of truth is the most important tenet of journalism.

    Until Roberts gives us the full truth, she and other writers that continue to practice selective journalism will continue to earn the bad reputation that they already have.

  227. Nick in SF February 7th, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    “*Usually* players that take steroids *always* start to have injury issues”

    What?

  228. Tantron Willoughby February 7th, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    A-roid has to account for his sins. No one is perfect but he is a perfect example of imperfection.

    Cynthia better write her book fast.

  229. Sean Serritella February 7th, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    Ansky, A-Rod is the best player in the game, that’s why they probably leaked his name and no one else. Not only that, he plays for the biggest highest pro file club, the Yankees.

  230. randy l February 7th, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    pat m -
    i totally believe you but are you sure you should say it on here?

  231. Bronx Jeers February 7th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    I did my freshman year at Arizona. Spent a lot of time “gaining an edge” musically speaking.

    Needless to say my skills as a songwriter didn’t quite follow the same trajectory as Lennon/McCartney.

  232. Tantron Willoughby February 7th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    Even if Aroid hasn’t taken steroids for years, the real question is, what percentage of the therapeautic effect he received from the steroids remains to this day? If he kept working out he could have maintained 10% of the drugs effect, and that my friends is known as cheating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  233. dan February 7th, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    This just proves the hypocrisy of baseball owners and gm’s and journalists – steroid junkies are good to go (and just look at the pictures of a-rod from the beginning of his career to later) but “dangerous” guys like Manny are a cancer to a team. It’s so nonsensical and stubborn……oh well, baseball is just so disappointing.

  234. Psyluk February 7th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    Let’s not overreact to news that should have no bearing on our lives. It’s a tremendous disappointment that A-Rod may indeed be a steroid abuser. But it’s nothing that should cause us to start drinking. I know it’s probably just a metaphor to how disappointed some people are, but in the end, he’s only an athlete that happens to play for my favorite sports team.

    My bigger concern lies with the reporter and how she manipulated the information she had, not with A-Rod, although I certainly hope that he can get his life together.

  235. CaptainsCorner February 7th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    Roberts said that she heard other names in talking to people…but she wouldn’t name any of them because none of the other names are confirmed. Basically she wasn’t interested in learning if those names are true. Does anyone know when these names were “released” to the government or to the “sources”? It is just alittle odd that something that happened 6 years ago was just somehow learned about.

  236. Tom K February 7th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    I realize that Roberts is a part of the story because she wrote the story – but the facts remain the same regardless: We have to deal with our version of Barry Bonds for .. oh…only the next decade or so. Yippee.

    We can talk all day long about people trying to hurt A-Rod’s reputation as the greatest in the game – again, the facts show that nobody has to trying to ruin his reputation; he did it himself.

    I have been of A-Rod’s biggest supporters through his Yankees years; but not anymore. He’s a cheater…I don’t care how many others did it or didn’t do it – A-Rod is still a cheater.

  237. trisha - NY Yankees, 2009 World Champions February 7th, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    I haven’t read today’s posts. I just came in and my sister had called to tell me she heard that about Arod on the news. So I don’t know where everyone is lining up on this.

    2003 MVP. Just wonderful.

    The saddest moment of all in all of this for me is that I now no longer know about who Arod is as a ballplayer. Is Arod someone whose career success was built on steroid usage? Who knows. But the elephant in the middle of the room is going to be very hard to ignore right now.

    And sadly enough Arod’s legacy will take a tremendous hit, just as Bonds’ did.

    The most gifted athlete in the game.

    Is he?

    We needed this like a huge hole in the head.

    And of course is sounds worse and worse when the allegation is that the players’ union rep would tip guys off about when the test would be given. This certainly isn’t the first time I heard this.

  238. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    Wow, I guess that goes to show that I’m terrible at predicting how I think people would react.

    I’d figured, as a lawyer that Trisha would be strongly against how this came out and the like.

    lol, good thing I didn’t put any money on that ability, hey? :)

    You really are never safe from being surprised till you’re dead.

  239. bru February 7th, 2009 at 5:45 pm

    alex is all done.he will of course still play but his reputation,hof chances are over.

    this situation is going to put a lot of stress on him.

    he should come out & admit it & hopefully he didn’t use that long.he can say i used for one season but i was in the gym & cages every day.

    what bothers me the most is if anybody in history can put up huge numbers without steroids it is alex.

    his response when asked about the article was your going to have to talk to the union.

    i never wanted the yankees to sign him.he is a great player but for 30 million a year we could of used the money better elsewhere.the yankees should get rid of him.

  240. sill February 7th, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    until the 103 names are released by the government or arod admits it. I am not giving it any credibility.

    if arod did nothing wrong and the 103 names come out. what happens to this chick?

  241. PAT M. February 7th, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    Disregard, it was a bitter divorce….

  242. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 5:48 pm

    And that wasn’t a criticism on your opinion – Trish, just a wry observation about my lack of perception.

  243. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother February 7th, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    AL BK from your previous post to me…

    I have not brought up ARod in particular here in any way. ARod is just what got the PED topic restarted today.
    I have no idea of whether ARod used or not and never said I did. I am addressing the overall use of PED’s in baseball (and sports in general) that only an apologist would condone or turn their eyes from. To me they are no better than MLB who complain have done the same. Hypocritical.

    Again, my point of discussion has never been ARod. I will say though that you call the charges “erroneous,” but you don’t know whether they are true or not either now do you? So why the “erroneous?”
    Also, show me where I colored ARod in a bad light as you say.
    So you’re right at least there Al. A person needs to get his facts straight before running with it..

  244. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    alex is all done.he will of course still play but his reputation,hof chances are over.

    **********************************************************

    Is this kind of stuff for real? I mean, really?

  245. GreenBeret7 February 7th, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    bru
    February 7th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
    alex is all done.he will of course still play but his reputation,hof chances are over.

    this situation is going to put a lot of stress on him.

    he should come out & admit it & hopefully he didn’t use that long.he can say i used for one season but i was in the gym & cages every day.

    what bothers me the most is if anybody in history can put up huge numbers without steroids it is alex.

    his response when asked about the article was your going to have to talk to the union.

    i never wanted the yankees to sign him.he is a great player but for 30 million a year we could of used the money better elsewhere.the yankees should get rid of him.

    ————————————————————

    Yeah….and don’t forget, “his lip twitched”.

  246. randy l February 7th, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    “You really are never safe from being surprised till you’re dead.”

    angel-

    not even then. i’ll bet the first thought is “holy crap, i’m dead!!!

  247. trisha - NY Yankees, 2009 World Champions February 7th, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    I have never ignored players’ baseball infractions as a fan and I will not start now. Once again my team ends up with a black eye. It certainly isn’t one it went looking for. But nevertheless it’s there.

    What a huge disaapointment.

    If this happened with Ortiz and it was reported I would be all over it like a cheap suit, probably demanding that the 2004 and 2007 World Series trophies be given back.

    I’m no hypocrite. I don’t have a set of values that I pull out when it suits me. Sorry, but from the supposed best player in the game, this is bull crap. Nice that he denied it on national television.

  248. Psyluk February 7th, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    There are spitballers and ball-scuffers in the Hall of Fame. I don’t see why players like Bonds and McGwire are excluded by the self-righteous, hypocritical members of the sports media when noted cheaters are already in the hall, when it’s clear that they are amongst the best players of their generation. I think we’re artificially pumping up the value of steroids in society. They don’t turn you from David Eckstein to Barry Bonds.

    I don’t condone steroid use. I think it’s a terrible ordeal and sets bad examples for young athletes looking for shortcuts. But to make an example out of baseball players while other players in other sports get away with cheating openly (Shawne Merriman, Kevin Williams) is hypocritical. People need to get off their soapboxes.

  249. Boston Dave February 7th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    Not that I think he is worth getting anyway but Andruw Jones has not signed with Texas. He is just strongly considering it.

  250. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    “And of course is sounds worse and worse when the allegation is that the players’ union rep would tip guys off about when the test would be given. This certainly isn’t the first time I heard this.”

    Then he didn’t do a very good job at tipping off players – especially given the names in the Mitchell Report, and that allegedly there are 104 in this one.

    Who knows, though. What a mess.

  251. raymagnetic February 7th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    I’m thinking I should have used a performance enhancer when I took and failed the CFA exam. :(

    Do they make performance enhancers that can help with your mind when it comes to remembering stuff?

  252. Hornblower February 7th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    SJ44 says we shouldn’t expect a clean game. I’m sorry but the entertainment I seek when I watch competition is a clean hard contest fought within the rules.
    Do football players take PED’s? Probably. What that has to do with A-rod is beyond me.

  253. AROD fan February 7th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    SJ- you have posted so many gems today!

    randi i, gb7- always awesome posts

    sam–
    1) the entire roids scandal has never once put the distributors of roids on trial (the labs or the teams). not even close. so even if they are saying the obligatory “drugs are bad, kids” the fact is, by periodically “leaking” the names of stars, they are implying that roids make you a star. the message is, the player benefited by using steroids. but where is the message that teams benefit when players use steroids, and that players don’t benefit?

    2) we need our sports writers to start being a little more critical. it is boring and repetitive when you just keep periodically “releasing” these big names with the rest of the media and trying to rile us all up.

    3) i don’t care what you eat for breakfast in the morning. tell us what a-rod’s el salvadorian maid made him for breakfast. we want the recipe for the real “breakfast of champions.” it certainly isn’t hgh or anything distributed by mlb or balco.

    … further remarks. maybe this is partly a warning to boras and manny, who seem to be a match made in heaven. like, take our ridiculously low offer, or else you’re next. manny needs to offer his services to the tampa bay rays or to the toronto blue jays for the league minimum.

  254. Psyluk February 7th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    raymagnetic,

    Adderall?

    I don’t suggest using it though…

  255. randy l February 7th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    “Disregard, it was a bitter divorce….”

    good call pat m
    just think if you missed a golf tee time because you got subpoenaed :)

  256. Boston Dave February 7th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    Is there any chance the Players Union, or ARod, file suit against Roberts?

  257. Laura - Standing behind Alex! February 7th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    “i never wanted the yankees to sign him.he is a great player but for 30 million a year we could of used the money better elsewhere.the yankees should get rid of him.”

    I love these comments about how the Yankees should get rid of Alex. Really? And where exactly do you think they are sending him? What team is going to trade for him and what exactly should we expect back in return? Alex cannot be traded. His contract is an unmovable object. He is a Yankee for the next 9 yrs. Might as well deal with it.

    The fact is that a great player made a mistake. It’s not the end of the world, the end of our season or even the end of his career. He has hit a major bump in the road. Instead of trying to find somewhere else for him to play (yeah, good luck with that!), we should be hoping and praying that he does not let this set back affect his or the Yankees’ season.

  258. trisha - NY Yankees, 2009 World Champions February 7th, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    Angel, when it comes to legal stuff I am always more substance than process. I don’t know if that’s good or bad but I’ve always been that way. I wasn’t at all upset about the grand jury leaks in the Balco case, more upset about the actual allegations.

    I guess I truly haven’t had enough time to process all of this because I am sure that I will also think it was low rent of any information to be leaked. But once the genie is out of the bottle, etc.

    Wish I could hang here tonight because it’s where I feel I need to be rather than at a ballet. I’m sure you can understand this certainly has wrecked my day.

    Check in with you all later.

    Major :(

  259. JACK February 7th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    C’mon AFRAUD,think of the team for a change,-how much more-
    -attention do you need-

  260. Boston Dave February 7th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    “Alex cannot be traded. His contract is an unmovable object. He is a Yankee for the next 9 yrs. Might as well deal with it.”

    This is true… but I can’t blame a single Yankee fan for feeling horrible about this.

    We had so much wind behind our sails as spring training draws near. Everyone was excited.

    Now this…

  261. Psyluk February 7th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    Boston Dave,

    I’m not a legal expert by any means, but I would have to say no. Unfortunately, I think her first amendment rights give her the ability to withhold certain information. And as of right now, it seems as though the corroborating evidence shows that A-Rod’s test was positive.

    However, if it turns out that this was all false, I hope A-Rod, the Player’s Union and every possible entity that was harmed by this story sues her and SI for everything they could possibly ever be worth and more for defamation of character.

  262. ANSKY February 7th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    http://vault.sportsillustrated...../index.htm

    There’s a chance this is Canseco part deux. Or at least an extension of it to some degree.

    Taking Roberts’ experience with the Duke lacrosse controversy into account, I’ll just sit back on this for a while and see.

  263. G. Love February 7th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    I think in a bigger picture sense what MLB needs to reconcile with itself is the truth about the league vs. the image it wants to pretend it still has.

    I think everyone in baseball knew there was PED’s being used, yet they still clung to this Norman Rockwell America Nation Pastime image.

    I think the worst thing to happen to MLB was Field of Dreams and the poetic waxing about baseballs importance in this country since I think the league wants that to be true even though the game is littered with cheaters and drug users.

    I’m not condemning the guys for doing it. If there were a drug that would make me Arod in my industry I’d be shoving it in me right now.

    What MLB needs to understand is that mythic American baseball image is now shot and they have to stop trying to hide garbage like this from the fans/customers and turning blind eyes to cheating.

    Say what you want, but if Babe Ruth didn’t have steroids in his era, then the accomplishments these guys are making with designer drugs are cheating in a sense.

    I feel horrible as a Yankee fan and an Arod fan. It’s not that I can’t comprehend him cheating.

    What I can’t comprehend is a guy who goes around town telling everyone he doesn’t need to cheat and then cheats.

    What I’ll never understand about these guys is why they feel the need to deny things so vehemently.

    I think MLB should make all the players read a little Shakespeare…especially the whole “Doth thou protest too much” piece.

    If you’re cheating and someone asks you if you are, how about saying “no comment” and walking away rather than pontificating that you would never touch the stuff.

    That’s Arod’s problem right now. That’s what he has to try to recover from.

    Someone who cares about what people think of him as much as he seems to is going to have a hard time wrapping his head around the fact that the public views him a liar right now and are angry at him. Angrier than usual.

  264. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother February 7th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    “I don’t condone steroid use. I think it’s a terrible ordeal and sets bad examples for young athletes looking for shortcuts. But to make an example out of baseball players while other players in other sports get away with cheating openly (Shawne Merriman, Kevin Williams) is hypocritical. People need to get off their soapboxes.”

    = = = = = = =

    No Psyluk, people aren’t on soapboxes. What is wrong but tolerated in one place does not mean it has to be tolerated elsewhere. Show me a baseball fan who says it’s OK for the NFL or anyone else to use PED’s but just not in baseball.
    I think you are confusing arguments here.

  265. Barbara February 7th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    If any of the 103 players are Red Sox, we will never hear about it.

  266. GreenBeret7 February 7th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    Boston Dave
    February 7th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
    Is there any chance the Players Union, or ARod, file suit against Roberts?

    ————————————————————

    Only if Rodriguez can prove that his name is not on that list of samples.

  267. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    “not even then. i’ll bet the first thought is “holy crap, i’m dead!!!”

    LOL – very true! Given that, it should be revised.

    I’ll now say:- “You’re never safe from being surprised, even when you’re dead.”

  268. Laura - Standing behind Alex! February 7th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    “Nice that he denied it on national television.”

    What did you expect him to do? I have to laugh at how people are upset that Alex didn’t admit to this to Couric when he had absolutely no reason to. What sane person would voluntarily put themselves into such a firestorm? Do you think that if you go ask Ortiz today if he ever used steroids that he’s going to say Yes? Why don’t you go ask Pudge or Varitek? I’d love to hear what they have to say on the matter.

    People, stop being so naive. No normal human being admits to wrong doings if they don’t have to. If Alex had told Katie Couric that he had used steroids, people would be slamming him for jamming himself up when there was no proof and he wasn’t under suspicion.

  269. Tantron Willoughby February 7th, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    The players union AKA thugs have helped perpetuate this scam allowing players to mask their PEDs. Perhaps they can join the reelect Obama campaign in 2012.

  270. Boston Dave February 7th, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    “Unfortunately, I think her first amendment rights give her the ability to withhold certain information. And as of right now, it seems as though the corroborating evidence shows that A-Rod’s test was positive.”

    ——————————-

    So it’s ok to publish information that was illegally obtained once and then illegally obtained a second time?

  271. randy l February 7th, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    “Wish I could hang here tonight because it’s where I feel I need to be rather than at a ballet. I’m sure you can understand this certainly has wrecked my day.”-trisha

    gb7-
    don’t you just hate it when you have to go to the ballet instead of doing what you really want?

  272. Psyluk February 7th, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    Laura, it’s amazing how everyone is in support of giving another human being a second chance to atone for their previous indiscretions, as long as you’re not an athlete. We can give criminals and delinquents a second chance at redemption, but we can’t give people like A-Rod one.

    It’s sad. The guy will have to deal with the consequences and fallout for the rest of his career. He could at least be afforded a second chance.

    We expect athletes and celebrities to be heroes and moral pillars without realizing that they’re human and are prone to make mistakes to further their goals. Students cheat on tests, CEOs cook the books, etc. It’s not right, but it happens nonetheless. It seems like the public is unwilling to grant athletes the same privileges that everyone else has when they screw up.

  273. Laura - Standing behind Alex! February 7th, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    “This is true… but I can’t blame a single Yankee fan for feeling horrible about this. ”

    I’m not blaming fans for feeling sick to their stomach. I’ve been upset all day. What I’m saying is that it is insane to think that we can get rid of this horrible feeling or this problem by getting rid of Alex. Sorry, but we’ve got no where to send him.

  274. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother February 7th, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    lol Tantron

  275. Boston Dave February 7th, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    I guess ARod would have to deny it if he were going to sue. Then Roberts would have to provide the “evidence” ??

  276. Tom February 7th, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    “I hope Alex Rodriguez didn’t cheat. If we do find out that he cheated, I will wish that he hadn’t. But whatever happens, I’m not going to change my opinion that he’s a great baseball player. Like many of the greatest players, he’ll do whatever it takes to be the best player he can be. For a stretch of five or 10 years — and yes, perhaps even today still — being the best player could have meant cheating. Maybe the cheaters were wrong; that’s the direction in which I lean, probably because I’ve got a streak of the moralist in me. But I will not sit idly while great athletes looking for an edge — not all that different from the many generations before them — are demonized by the high priests of baseball opinion. I will not.”

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....=Neyer_Rob

  277. Laura - Standing behind Alex! February 7th, 2009 at 6:05 pm

    “It’s sad. The guy will have to deal with the consequences and fallout for the rest of his career. He could at least be afforded a second chance.”

    I agree, especially since his 2007 proves that he can have a great season without being on PEDs. Unless someone has got proof that he was juicing in 2007, Alex can succeed on his own and as a Yankee if we get behind him.

  278. Boston Dave February 7th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    Laura,

    I agree. Alex isn’t going anywhere.

    Still, I can’t argue with the immediate sentiments and disgust.

    It will settle somewhat once the season starts… but today 90% of MLB fans (the yankee haters) were given a ton of firepower.

  279. JACK February 7th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    *I would like to sock BORAS,about now*. -He help dupe the-
    -the YANKEES,too.-

  280. Bronx Jeers February 7th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    Spinning the positive?

    Arod has nothing left to hide. All his skeletons are out of the closet and maybe he finally relaxes.

  281. Boston Dave February 7th, 2009 at 6:08 pm

    from that Rob Neyer article:

    “Rodriguez did impress his teammates with a relentless work ethic. They found him to be the baseball equivalent of a gym rat. He knew everything going on around baseball and he never stopped working. One night in 2007 he showed up in the dugout 10 minutes before the first pitch with blood dripping from his hands and knees. “What the hell happened to you?” somebody asked.

    Rodriguez explained that he just had been running full tilt on the treadmill in the weight room when the belt broke and he went flying off the back end of the machine, skinning his hands and knees as he was thrown into a wall. Who the hell ran at sprinting speed on a treadmill right before a game was about to start? The most talented player in baseball did. That was A-Rod, too.

    “Nobody has ever worked harder in my memory than this guy,” [Joe] Torre said. “Jeter, I’m sure he does his weight work in the wintertime. In the summertime he gets dressed and gets the hell out of there. He doesn’t hang out. Nobody’s in better shape than Alex. Nobody works harder than Alex. For a star player, who gets there as early as he gets there, and still he might hear Coach Larry Bowa say, ‘You need to take groundballs.’ And he’ll do whatever it takes. He’ll do it all the time. He’s just a workaholic.”

    Said Bowa, “If he missed on a slow roller, the next day he’s out there early and we’re working on slow rollers. If he missed a backhand, the next day we’re working on backhands. This guy would be the first one to admit, ‘I need to work on that,’ or, ‘I didn’t approach that ball the right way, so let’s go work on it.’ And that’s why he was such a great player.”

  282. dennis-costanza(sox fan) February 7th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

    GLove-

    Great post. Best read of the day.

    Respectfully-

    dennis

  283. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

    Trisha – Well it takes call kinds of lawyers too, to make a world. I guess I forgot that. I don’t condone PED use (or any other illegal drugs!) at all. I guess there are just a lot of aspects to this story and some of them bother me as much as the allegations PED use do. There is a lot to process, I agree.

    Have fun at the ballet, regardless. :)

  284. Psyluk February 7th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

    No Psyluk, people aren’t on soapboxes. What is wrong but tolerated in one place does not mean it has to be tolerated elsewhere. Show me a baseball fan who says it’s OK for the NFL or anyone else to use PED’s but just not in baseball.
    I think you are confusing arguments here.

    —————————————–

    People are absolutely on soapboxes when it comes to issues with baseball. I’m not confusing arguments at all. The only argument that I made was that baseball players got the raw end of the deal and ended up being the poster children for PEDs when athletes from other sports are just as culpable of committing the same offense. In a sense, it’s even more reprehensible for people to look the other way on football, basketball, boxing etc, while training their crosshairs on baseball.

    Your clamor for a clean playing field is understood. That said, it’s highly hypocritical for the media and people who vote on the baseball hall of fame to pass moral judgment on players that weren’t the first, or last, to cheat.

    Your argument isn’t with me. It’s with everyone else.

  285. Laura - Standing behind Alex! February 7th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

    “If you’re cheating and someone asks you if you are, how about saying “no comment” and walking away rather than pontificating that you would never touch the stuff.”

    Come on, you know that saying “no comment” will be interpreted by people as meaning yes. This is a no win situation for these guys. They can’t say yes because that will doom them and they can’t say no because they may get caught in that lie if the truth comes out. What can I tell you? It sucks being a major league baseball player.

  286. bobby February 7th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    If we boo him,he’ll have to bat eighth again,-head case.-

  287. Phil Parcells February 7th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    BREAKING

    Buster Olney says this scandal will cost ARod induction into the HOF!

  288. Laura - Standing behind Alex! February 7th, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    “It will settle somewhat once the season starts… but today 90% of MLB fans (the yankee haters) were given a ton of firepower.”

    Most notably BOS, whose players cheat but are never named or outed. I wonder how they do that.

  289. GreenBeret7 February 7th, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    randy l
    February 7th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
    “Wish I could hang here tonight because it’s where I feel I need to be rather than at a ballet. I’m sure you can understand this certainly has wrecked my day.”-trisha

    gb7-
    don’t you just hate it when you have to go to the ballet instead of doing what you really want?

    ————————————————————

    I quit going to the ballet when I found out that Baryishikov was on steroids.

  290. Laura - Standing behind Alex! February 7th, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    “Buster Olney says this scandal will cost ARod induction into the HOF!”

    A-Rod is so far away from consideration for the Hall that this may just be a distant memory in the minds of the voters by then.

  291. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    I generally consider Rob Neyer a good writer, even when I don’t agree with him – I usually learn something. And the fact that I don’t agree with him all the time means he’s probably a relatively balanced writer too.

    I agree with what he wrote there, Tom. Thanks for posting it.

  292. randy l February 7th, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    “Have fun at the ballet, regardless”

    trisha-

    if you notice a ballet dancer with especially well developed muscles don’t forget to tell selena roberts.

  293. Tarheelyank February 7th, 2009 at 6:15 pm

    “not even then. i’ll bet the first thought is “holy crap, i’m dead!!!”

    Randy’s second thought… Damn cashman!!!

  294. vince February 7th, 2009 at 6:15 pm

    *AROID* the cheater,CONSECO,was right about another player again.

    A R O I D the fraud!!

  295. Rich February 7th, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    Signing Manny would make this story go away!

  296. Nick in SF February 7th, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    I for one applaud Arod for realizing he was in a den of cheaters there in Texas and forcing his way out of that depraved clubhouse culture to a team where he could clean up his act. Does that work?

    Moving forward, the best case scenario within the realm of the plausible is that the positive test in 2003 led Arod to decide not to take anymore risks like that and that no subsequent shoes dated 2004 or beyond will drop. We can hope, right?

    Arod has some hard thinking to do right now if he knows that something – even if it’s something that a test won’t catch in 2009 but might later – is out there. Hopefully that’s not the case. If 2003 is the end date to this particular transgression, suck it up and win some titals.

  297. Rosa February 7th, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    Once again Alex is the center of attraction.
    He downgrades Jeter in a magazine article. His friend.
    He cheats on his wife. So much for the marriage vows.
    He tested positive for steroids. No one put a gun to his head.
    Everyone makes mistakes but when does it end?
    Now at Spring Training, Yankee players will be asked about Alex. On and on and on, it is always about Alex.

  298. Psyluk February 7th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    Baseball fans that hate the Yankees shouldn’t be heartened by this, they should be saddened. This is just the latest dark cloud to settle over baseball over the past few years.

    For all of his antics and troubles, A-Rod was and still remains, the most talented player in baseball. The love and adoration that he so badly wanted from fans and fellow players surely would have come when he made his way closer towards the all-time home run record. Despite all of his detractors, he was supposed to be the guy who broke the record and restore the luster that was lost when Bonds took it from Aaron.

    No more. If everything turns out to be true, A-Rod will never be seen in the same light ever again. His impact on the game and his place in its history will have been altered forever, and that’s really just the saddest thing about this whole story. A-Rod isn’t the biggest loser, baseball is. Anyone who is happy about this doesn’t care about baseball.

  299. Jerry February 7th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    UNRELATED QUESTION: Does anyone know when season tickets are mailed out?

  300. G. Love February 7th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    Laura,

    There’s a difference. Arod seeks these kind of interviews where he gets to pontificate.

    If I were cheating and using drugs to give me an advantage, I’d be hesitant to put myself in the national spotlight considering the media might ask me this question.

    He could have said “no” to the 60 minutes interview. He could have stayed home, worked out and minded his business.

    He instead courts disaster by putting himself out there answering questions like this with such conviction.

    Now he’s a liar.

    Pete said he had at least 10 instances of Arod denying he ever touched the stuff.

    Perhaps Arod could have just laughed off the question or said to the reporter “That’s an inappropriate question and I won’t dignify it with a response”.

    There’s a thousand things he could have done besides “no comment” but instead he chose to specifically deny his usage of the substance and put himself above the game by claiming “he never needed it”.

    By saying “he never needed it” he looks like the village idiot right now when it’s proven he got caught using is 4 years before the interview.

    He’s a fool. I have compassion for the guy because I think he’s all kinds of mixed up in his head and just wants to be the most popular guy in high school who every loves.

    I feel for him and I’m angry at him at the same time.

    If he was using he should have prepared himself to answer questions a little better than “I’ve never needed them”.

    Apparently, he did.

  301. whatever February 7th, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    Relax, people. It’s not like A-Rod has 9 years to go on his contract or anything.

  302. Boston Dave February 7th, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    “He cheats on his wife. So much for the marriage vows.
    He tested positive for steroids. No one put a gun to his head.”

    Rosa, you could say the first part about 90% of MLB players.

    The second part? 50%? more?

    Alex has always been singled out. Maybe he deserves it. Maybe not. But make sure you realize that he is not alone when it comes to the negative aspects of athletes.

  303. bru February 7th, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    GreenBeret7
    February 7th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
    bru
    February 7th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
    i knew for sure arod used steroids,imo.

    go look at the katie courik(spelling) interview when she asked him.the facial expression & he twitched his lip to the side.as soon as i saw his reaction i knew immediately.

    i know it sounds crazy but watch the interview when she asks him & he denies it,you can tell he was lying.
    ——————————————————————————————
    I can also tell when you’re lying because your sentence structure, capitalization,use of punctuation, spelling and lack of any useful information
    ———————————————————-

    still mad at me for insulting you??

    to bad.if you weren’t such a miserable old man sitting at your computer 24/7 insulting people you might think are easy to insult i might take my comment about you being an idiot.

    what makes you think you are so much smarter than anybody else??

    outside of your stupid war stories i don’t ever saee any usefull information out of you.

  304. Nick in SF February 7th, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    I meant win some titles. Not sure what a tital is, but maybe Arod should try to win some of those too.

  305. NYYanksFan February 7th, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    MLB players better hope A-Rod doesn’t have a little Joe Torre in him and decides to “humanize” others. If he was really all about his legacy, what would he have to lose.

    UNLESS, if guilty, his legacy now becomes the guy who admitted to steroid use and showed others by example how they can ruin your life. He could be one of the players who could have a part 2 to his career that others have been too old to be able to.

  306. GreenBeret7 February 7th, 2009 at 6:25 pm

    bru
    February 7th, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    outside of your stupid war stories i don’t ever saee any usefull information out of you.

    ————————————————————

    Sorry, junior, but, I’ve never told war stories on any internet. I used to talk to my uncle and father about it. What I did is nobody’s business. Get it straight.

  307. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    G. Love February 7th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    *************************************************************

    Very well said. I’ve agreed with stuff that you posted before, but almost line in that one could have a ditto from me.

    Except the “no comment” stuff. I tend to agree with Laura on that one. If he said that, he’d be damning himself still.

  308. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    “There’s a difference. Arod seeks these kind of interviews where he gets to pontificate.”

    Well, that interview where that came out was for him to pontificate about the opt-out/opt-in drama, :) but I see where you’re coming from.

  309. randy l February 7th, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    gb7-

    somehow i think you know more about a Kalashnikov than Baryshnikov :)

  310. vince February 7th, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    *Psyluk*Yust watched a sports broadcast in Mo,*sportscaster*

    *couldn’t contain himself,* with his huge grin. ST Louis Cardinal fans,always say how much they hate the YANKEES.
    -It’s a money thing they don’t have any-

  311. Tom February 7th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    “Not sure what a tital is”

    Nick, I see you’ve never been to Stiletto and Lace.

  312. Nick in SF February 7th, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    randy, how goes your archive search? I went back and looked in the thread for the game in which Girardi started stretching Joba out, the one after that, and the one for Joba’s first start. I didn’t see anything too exciting from either one of us, though I did get a chuckle at the many, many boneheaded comments from ‘DYNASTY IS DESINY’. Ah, good times.

  313. Nick in SF February 7th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    oops, new thread —->

  314. vince February 7th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    Jeter has to be saying, “first the book and now” *AROID*

  315. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 6:35 pm

    still mad at me for insulting you??

    ***************************************

    How the heck would you insult anyone? On accident?

    You don’t even seem to be able to construct a coherent sentence, much less an insult that requires some thought.

    Sheesh. And responding to someone attempting to use their military service against them is just about the saddest thing I can imagine. GB7 has *always* been humble when his military service is ever mentioned, AND its rarely ever mentioned first by him.

  316. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother February 7th, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    Fair enough, Psyluk.
    I agree baseball gets the blunt end here.
    But if people condone cheating at the level of looking the other way when players are injecting illegal and banned substances into their systems, they are messing with the game that is meant to be. But worse they are okaying actions by players that could seriously affect these player’s long term health – solely for the benefit of their “entertainment pleasure.” In a previous life these posters were probably in the front row of the Roman Coliseum.
    As long as it’s entertaining, right?

  317. Rosa February 7th, 2009 at 6:50 pm

    Boston Dave

    I know Alex is not the only player who cheated on his wife or cheated by taking steroids. I am not naive. I am sorry I gave you the impression that I thought Alex was the only one doing the wrong thing.

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