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Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Feb 10, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Alex Rodriguez said he was sorry for using steroids and blamed a permissive culture in the game.

For the Yankees, spring training will start with a major distraction to deal with. It will fall on Joe Girardi to lead the team through it.

Columnist Rick Carpiniello writes that voting for the Hall of Fame has become an impossible task because of steroids.

My first vote will be in a year and it certainly has become an issue. Frankly, I’m glad a player like A-Rod won’t be eligible for another 14 years. It might take that long to get some perspective on this era.

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I’ll be heading over to the minor-league complex this morning to watch he workouts. So check back later for reports. I’m also scheduled for First Take this morning on ESPN2 at 10 a.m.

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105 Responses to “Today in The Journal News”

  1. Lara08 February 10th, 2009 at 7:47 am

    Have fun on First Take Pete.

  2. Jd jr February 10th, 2009 at 7:47 am

    Right or wrong, users and non users will have to be judged equally, cause you’ll never truely know the users/ non users..
    So they have to go to the hof.

  3. ditmars1929 February 10th, 2009 at 7:54 am

    Pete, what more perspective do you need? A-Rod will still be a cheat 14 years from now. Your mind should already be made up.

    JD, you’re correct in that we’ll probably never know the users from the non-users, but in A-Rod’s case, we KNOW he’s a user. So he’s out.

    When the heck is Opening Day???

  4. Josh February 10th, 2009 at 7:59 am

    Pete, he didn’t blame the culture. He put all the fault on himself. It always came back to him in the interview. Don’t think too hard about your decision, Pete. You ignored it, too.

  5. Tom February 10th, 2009 at 8:07 am

    If he ends up having the career he is projected to have I say let him in. There are pitchers in the Hall of Fame who made their living on the Spitter which was the cheating of their day. Lets not forget Ty Cobb who was probably the dirtiest player of all time and a bigot and racist off the field.

    This game thrives on cheaters and in my eye’s A-Rod is no different then the others. Does it make what he did right? Of course not.

  6. Shdw February 10th, 2009 at 8:15 am

    I’m glad too Pete. Maybe by then your mind won’t be so biased against him as it was even before the steroid scandal.

  7. myrtlebeachfan February 10th, 2009 at 8:17 am

    But the Hall of Fame is for players who produced above those of their time – and A-Rod did that. Considering that he played alongside so many steroid users for so long does not diminish his accomplishments, at least not to me. All baseball teams had steroid users and all of them probably have a few (especially in the minors).

    He still worked his ‘butt’ off to work out the extra that he needed to to take advantage of the steroids. Many others took steroids and didn’t have the motivation to do the extra work – did they both cheat just as much? Are their stats just as void?

    He gets into the Hall of Fame because he represents baseball and what it was during different periods. During the steroid era, he used steroids. When guys started getting clean, he got clean. He’s a great player and he’s always been on a level playing field with the others.

    If he hadn’t used steroids, he’d have done it on an unequal playing field and we’d have to be shocked, surprised, and awed at his accomplishments.

    Now we just get to be “pretty impressed” and still consider him the greatest (or one of them) of all time, but not the immortal god that we thought he was.

  8. Ham Fighters February 10th, 2009 at 8:19 am

    sj, i just wanted no more lies and what i got was a bucketfull of more lies.

  9. Andrew February 10th, 2009 at 8:20 am

    3 years of admitted cheating vs. what should be 19 full statistical seasons that are allegedly clean once he retires. If there’s never any proof that he was juicing in any period of time besides ’01-’03, his 19 “clean” years will make him a Hall of Famer. The “he cheated once, he is a cheat forever” school of thought, besides being pretty closed-minded and presuming guilt, should, by the time A-Rod is up for the vote, be balanced out by rational voters that consider the era and consider the specific player’s handling of his relationship to the era and vote accordingly.

  10. Jim PA February 10th, 2009 at 8:21 am

    Have fun today, Pete. It’s going to be 78 degrees and sunny. I was in Tampa last Tuesday and it was 58 degrees and windy as hell.

  11. Phil February 10th, 2009 at 8:23 am

    ARod blamed himself. Over and over again. There was a permissive steroid culture at the time, but the general public didn’t know that cause the Press let everybody down.

  12. Ham Fighters February 10th, 2009 at 8:26 am

    btw, i also posted yesterday the even if he admitted he was using right up to the end of last year, and that he would have to take a 1 yr suspension that i hoped he’s still do it, come completly clean and put this behind him. i posted that i would gladly accept even that if he just told nothing but the truth and cleard the air. i wanted him to come clean, i wanted to believe him, and i could have accepted a few ‘i cant answer that’ answers like giambi did, when the questions went where he couldnt go.

    so dont put me in with those who were against him going in to the apology, i was hoping this was going to be the day alex freed himself of all the bullcrap he had built up around himself.

    i was bitterly dissappointed.

  13. Jd jr February 10th, 2009 at 8:27 am

    Technically roids weren’t illegal when he used, so was it cheating? As long as he had an rx from a doc..
    Todays new supplement is tomorrows illegal drug…
    That’s why this arguement is timeless, it’s not black/ white…
    How do you explain this to kids??!

  14. Ham Fighters February 10th, 2009 at 8:29 am

    jd steroids were illegel in 2003. there were no penalties attached to the testing, but they were illegal and against mlb rules.

  15. Tom February 10th, 2009 at 8:30 am

    I don’t agree with the other Tom. Sure, Ty Cobb was a racist and an all around nasty human being; however, he did not break any rules by being so. A-rod broke the rules and if writers like Pete are unsure if their going to vote for the PED users that’s their right.
    I will say this, who knows what will happen between now the next decade and a half. There are some players in the hall that used amphetamines, which are an illegal drug, and cheated by other means-the spit ball, corked bats, ect.. I don’t know if amphetamines can be classified a PED though.

  16. Vincent February 10th, 2009 at 8:32 am

    Unless we were players in a major league clubhouse, none of us can speak to the culture that existed. Its really not all that hard to believe that some players just left it in the hands of their “trainers” to shoot em up and not think twice about it.

  17. rbj February 10th, 2009 at 8:33 am

    “For the Yankees, spring training will start with a major distraction to deal with. ”

    Oh no. How will the Yankees deal with a major distraction at the start of spring training. They’ve never been in this position before.

    /sarc.

    I just worry about what the major distraction will be for next year.

  18. migames February 10th, 2009 at 8:33 am

    Ham Fighters,
    niehter you or anyone else knows where the truths lies. So for you to assume that he didnt come clean is pretty arrogant.

    This moral police high ground that people are taking in the media and around the game is pretty pathetic.

  19. Phil February 10th, 2009 at 8:34 am

    Tom,

    If you don’t think Ty Cobb cheated every chance he got, you’re out of your mind. Also, he and Tris Speaker corresponded about fixing a game and when Baseball found out about it, they buried the story cause Cobb and Speaker were legends by that time. Also, amphetemines are performance enhancers, why else do you think baseball players were popping them all those years.

  20. SJ44 February 10th, 2009 at 8:37 am

    Ham

    You keep saying he lied over and over. How do you know that?

    How do you know that he used after 2003? You don’t.

    He isn’t going to say what he took and who sold him the drugs if he has the Feds watching his every word.

    The last thing he wants is to get ensnared in a Federal Case.

    He went farther than ANYBODY who has ever gotten nailed did in his admissions yesterday.

    This is what happens with confessions in sports. We (the fans and media) all demand them. Yet, when a guy gives them, its never enough. We want MORE. Anything less than what WE (fans and media) want=lying.

    That’s not necessarily the case.

    Nobody in sports is going to pre-emptively state they used PED’s. So the argument of “He’s only talking because he got caught” is met with a “duh, exactly” to me.

    Nobody is going to out themselves on this issue unless they get caught.

    When somebody does, let me know because it will be historic.

  21. Ham Fighters February 10th, 2009 at 8:38 am

    migames
    he didtn know what he took?
    he didnt know when couric interviewed him that he had taken steroids?

    this is coming clean?
    moral police, please! my 8 yr old nephew lies better than that.

  22. Ham Fighters February 10th, 2009 at 8:39 am

    he could easily have just said yes i used those steroids.

    he could easily have just said yes i lied to couric.

    instead he lied more and anybody who says he didnt is a fool.

  23. Michael Kei (Igawa) February 10th, 2009 at 8:40 am

    2023 baby 1st ballot

  24. Mark in Tampa February 10th, 2009 at 8:41 am

    I find it hilarious that Tom Hicks is acting like he is so hurt by this whole thing. So hurt, in fact, that he had to go and sign Andruw Jones, another suspected former user.

  25. Michael Kei (Igawa) February 10th, 2009 at 8:42 am

    Ham Fighters *deserves* a better apology

  26. SJ44 February 10th, 2009 at 8:43 am

    He said he used steroids!

    He said he was “lying to himself and couldn’t be honest with himself so, how could he be honest with Katie Couric”?

    Seems to me he is saying he wasn’t honest with her.

  27. Phil February 10th, 2009 at 8:43 am

    Yup, Hicks has had dozens of users on his team, and he should still be kissing ARod’s butt for opting out of his contract and letting Hicks off the hook last year. Whiney ingrate.

  28. Lara08 February 10th, 2009 at 8:45 am

    Well I don’t know about you guys but when I speed I always stop by the police station and tell them.

    I acknowledge that he didn’t say all he could but I also realize he may still have to worry about the criminal aspect not just the PR.

    If he resolved the criminal aspect first, which then allowed him to tell it all would you guys have waited the months it probably took for him to deal settle that all with the government before he talked?

    Probably not. Probably would have been royally ticked off if he said, “I’ll speak on it but not right now. You’re going to have to wait.”

  29. Steve B February 10th, 2009 at 8:46 am

    “He said he used steroids!”

    He most certainly did not. Watch the interview over again. The word STEROID was never once uttered by Rodriguez.

  30. Ham Fighters February 10th, 2009 at 8:47 am

    sj, u are a smart lawyer, you know exactly what he was doing. he was setting up the same legal defense that bonds used. that he didnt ‘knowingly use’

    thats why he says he didnt know what it was “he was guilty of using” (very curious phrasing)

    thats why he said ozra told him he may or may not have failed a test

    thats why he said he didnt know during the couric interview

  31. Neil February 10th, 2009 at 8:47 am

    Any Selig sightings ? Hiding in a mid town back alley perhaps ? Maybe he borrowed Theo Epstein’s gorilla suit and is somewhere in the Bronx Zoo waiting to be fed.

  32. Ham Fighters February 10th, 2009 at 8:48 am

    one more, sj
    thats why he said that after 2003 he took control of what was being put in his body (paraphrasing)

    its the classic bonds defense, i didnt knowingly use.

    this wasnt a confession, it was legal posturing.

  33. Lara08 February 10th, 2009 at 8:48 am

    I dont know why the public demand people say anything. Same people probably have little to know animosity towards the lovable Giambi.

  34. Phil February 10th, 2009 at 8:48 am

    Ham Fighters,

    He doesn’t need a legal defense. The statute of limitations over what he did has expired and there is no steroid language in his contract. Now try another weak argument.

  35. Lara08 February 10th, 2009 at 8:50 am

    “this wasnt a confession, it was legal posturing.”

    Goof for him. I pray some of you never find yourself caught up in anything. You’ll talk yourselves into a life sentence in prison.

  36. Lara08 February 10th, 2009 at 8:50 am

    Good for him, not goof.

  37. Lara08 February 10th, 2009 at 8:52 am

    And I’m pretty sure since there is nothing going on in the world that Congress may want him.

  38. jennifer February 10th, 2009 at 8:53 am

    I really don’t get people pointing and yelling he lied to Katie Couric. What was he supposed to say? Yeah I took roids? Give me a break. Also to anyone criticizing him for not saying who gave him, or what they sold him. Think about it, why would he put himself further in a situation to be called. IF they know he took xyz it could lead them to the seller and other players. He doesn’t want to put himself in that situation.

    Also did anyone read Ian O’conners article today? I didn’t get any further than Selena Roberts has more integrity in her left pinky toe than Alex has in his whole body. While Alex didn’t have integrity taking roids, this woman doesn’t have it either. From the Duke case and not apologizing, to chasing and hunting Alex down. She seems more fit for working for Star Magazine than SI.

  39. NY fan February 10th, 2009 at 8:54 am

    atleast A-rod was clean as a yankee…

  40. jennifer February 10th, 2009 at 8:55 am

    And I don’t know how many people caught Jim Kaat on MLB last night. He said he would have used if he knew it would help him. He also said that pitcher xyz (don’t recall the name) used to have razor blades in his glove to scuff up the ball. Every era had some form of cheating.

  41. SJ44 February 10th, 2009 at 8:56 am

    He wasn’t setting up a legal defense. He said he was using a banned substance. He said he used for 3 years.

    Gene Orza didn’t specifically tell him (or any player) they tested positive. He “intimated it”.

    On that issue, he has to walk a fine line. He’s not looking to rat out one of the heads of the Union.

    Can you not see the fine line he has to walk with several pending Federal Cases going on?

    He said that after 2003 he took control over what he put in his body as an affirmation that he wasn’t using PED’s any longer.

    Geez, if you are going to parse every word the guy says, you will never be happy.

    Its why none of these guys should ever cop to anything. No matter what they say, its not enough.

    Go back and tell me any player who gave up more than Arod did yesterday re: PED use.

    Comparing him to Bonds? That’s absurd. To this day Bonds has NEVER copped to using PED’s. Arod has and has even given a multi-year timeline.

    Yet, its not enough for some.

    Here’s a tip. The guy isn’t going to throw himself on I-275 in Tampa today and kill himself for using PED’s.

    He’s not going to leave the game and he’s not going to tell the Yankees they don’t need to pay him anymore.

    Once we can dispense with that fantasy, you will probably realize he said more publicly yesterday than any player who has ever copped to using.

  42. Ham Fighters February 10th, 2009 at 8:56 am

    jennifer, u are missing my point. im waaaaaaay over him lying to couric. im saying whey did he have to lie YESTERDAY about the couric interview?

  43. Phil February 10th, 2009 at 8:56 am

    Ian O’Connor is one of the stupidest people on earth.

  44. Steve B February 10th, 2009 at 8:56 am

    “I really don’t get people pointing and yelling he lied to Katie Couric. What was he supposed to say? Yeah I took roids? Give me a break. Also to anyone criticizing him for not saying who gave him, or what they sold him”

    Agreed, but he shouldn’t be commended for yesterday either.

  45. migames February 10th, 2009 at 8:58 am

    ham fighter
    he wasnt and isnt involved in a federal perjury case, he doesnt have to use Bond’s defense because he doesn’t have anything on the record, in which he stated under oath. Unless Katie Couric has the power to place someone under oath, you are comparing apples to oranges

  46. Ham Fighters February 10th, 2009 at 9:00 am

    seriously, ill get over it, ill still root for the guy. but what i wanted yesterday was honesty.

    i really really really wanted him to tell me the truth. i could have taken anything if he wasnt decietful.

    i’d have been okay if he had said ‘sorry i cant asnwer that 10 times in the interview (my estimation of the # of lies he told)

    i could have been okay if he said he had just shot up at um gym before roberts showed up. if only i could just believe he wasnt jiving me again.

    but i just cant

  47. SJ44 February 10th, 2009 at 9:00 am

    Here’s the irony in all this.

    Members of the media are circling the wagons to protect one of their own, Selena Roberts.

    When ballplayers do it, they are “bad”.

    When the media does it, they are “good”.

    Look, folks protect their own when stuff hits the fan. Its just the way it is.

  48. Lara08 February 10th, 2009 at 9:00 am

    A section from Ken Rosenthal’s article that leaves me speechless:

    Rodriguez evidently believed the upside of trying to salvage his reputation was greater than the downside of any potential fallout from his ESPN interview.

    Well, by “coming clean,” he has compromised the other 103 players who tested positive in ‘03, putting pressure on them to be just as forthcoming if their identities are revealed.

    But Rodriguez isn’t worried about them, is he

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....038;ATT=49

  49. Lara08 February 10th, 2009 at 9:02 am

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....038;ATT=49

    Well, by “coming clean,” he has compromised the other 103 players who tested positive in ’03, putting pressure on them to be just as forthcoming if their identities are revealed.

    But Rodriguez isn’t worried about them, is he?

  50. Ham Fighters February 10th, 2009 at 9:03 am

    like the players arent rallying around thier own?

  51. jennifer February 10th, 2009 at 9:03 am

    SJ44- If you haven’t had a chance to, read Ian O’Conner’s article. I couldn’t get through more than a paragraph of it, it was a total joke.

  52. Doreen February 10th, 2009 at 9:04 am

    SJ44 -

    So true – each “family” protects there own – doctors, lawyers, policemen, firemen.

    Ham Fighters -

    First, I don’t think you’d have been happy if he said he couldn’t answer that; I think you would have said he was skirting the issue and not being completely honest.

    Second, you’re intimating that the only thing you were willing to believe is if he said he was still using steroids. And how, exactly, would that have made you happy? I don’t understand that. I don’t understand how anything less than saying he still used was going to be a lie in your eyes.

    And he said he lied to Katie Couric.

  53. Phil February 10th, 2009 at 9:05 am

    Rosenthal is cracked. ARod could have thrown a lot of players under the bus yesterday but he kept blaming himself.

  54. MaineYankee February 10th, 2009 at 9:06 am

    I think what Jim Kaat had to say was very telling. I don’t think you would find many that would say he wasn’t a guy with high integrity, yet he said he would have been tempted to take steroids if others were. He also talked about things that pitchers did to get an advantage. I know that using steroids isn’t the same as scuffing a ball or throwing a spitball. It goes more to the changing times more than one being worse than the other.

  55. jennifer February 10th, 2009 at 9:06 am

    Oh Jesus Christ. He is dammed if he does dammed if he doesn’t. If Alex went on tv and said I’m not going to talk about the past, I am not going to respond to Selena Roberts allegations, how would you have worded your criticism of him?

  56. SJ44 February 10th, 2009 at 9:06 am

    Why should he be? The Union sold him out when they didn’t destroy the samples.

    He played nice yesterday and didn’t blame anybody but himself. He also didn’t throw Gene Orza under the bus.

    As far as the rest of the guys on the list…..if the Union loses the case before the California Supreme Court, the list will be public.

    If the Union wins the case, somebody will leak the list. That’s how it seems to be these days. Folks in charge of upholding the law have little problems breaking it if they choose to.

    Either way, at some point, those names are going to become public, IMO.

    Its almost unavoidable now since nobody seems to want to follow the rule of law when it comes to this issue.

  57. jennifer February 10th, 2009 at 9:07 am

    MaineYankee

    Did you heard the autoable (sp) gasp when he spoke about the razor blades in the glove. :lol:

  58. Mark in Tampa February 10th, 2009 at 9:08 am

    “He’s not going to leave the game and he’s not going to tell the Yankees they don’t need to pay him anymore.”

    SJ44,

    Agree on that, but he could garner a lot of goodwill by offering to eliminate the HR record incentives in his contract.

  59. jennifer February 10th, 2009 at 9:08 am

    Mark- True, but who knows if he would be allowed to.

  60. Ham Fighters February 10th, 2009 at 9:10 am

    doreen, im serious, i totally expected several, ‘i cant asnwer that’ answers from him and would not have had a problem with that.

    im totally serious here, when i heard he was going to admit his usage, i was the happiest guy in the world. not out of goating b/c i dont like the guy, but out of the sheer joy of letting the light shine in on a nasty dark corner of yankeeland.

    i was ready to run over to modells and buy an arod jersey. and i do not own a single yankees jersey, not even my hero bernie’s.

    then i saw the interview and was crushed.

  61. Doreen February 10th, 2009 at 9:11 am

    Lara08 -

    I just read the article you linked to. I’m really not sure I understand Rosenthal’s point. Was ARod supposed to say nothing here? Is Bond’s suddenly a hero, because he didn’t implicate anyone else as a result of lying about himself?

    I know the matter is far from over, but I seriously don’t get this stuff.

    All weekend all anyone wrote was that the only way for ARod was to come clean.

    How has he exposed the other 103? Seems to me, if they failed the same test ARod took, then they exposed themselves, no? And didn’t MLB and MLPA contribute to putting these guys at risk of discovery by failing to immediately destroy the “list?”

    ARod did not start the steroids problem. He got caught up in it, along with countless (’cause we don’t know how many) other players. I throw up my hands. Truly.

  62. MaineYankee February 10th, 2009 at 9:12 am

    Ham Fighters

    Get ready to critize more Yankees. When the other names come out there is a chance others are on it. I’m not saying he’s on it but Tex. was on that Texas team. If other Yankees are outed I hope you hold them to the same standard.

  63. Steve B February 10th, 2009 at 9:12 am

    “When ballplayers do it, they are “bad”.”

    How do you mean? I think it’s a good thing that guys like Posada and Jeter have indicated support for Arod. However, I think it’s a bad thing that the players as a whole went into a bunker mentality about the PED issue. Nobody had more power to do something about this than the MLBPA. They’ve been kicking MLB’s ass for years and are by far the most powerful union in sports and quite possibly the world. Instead of trying to solve the problem, you have guys like Orza and Fehr, who are put in their positions by the players, doing all they can to see that testing was not part of a CBA. I have a lot of respect for Jeter, but I’d have even more if he, as a superstar who most everybody believes has been among the clean players, stepped up and demanded of his leadership that something be done to address it. I’ll qualify this by saying I don’t know that Jeter didn’t do that and was shouted down, but I’d have a hard time believing that would happen to someone of his magnitude.

    As for the press, I don’t recall too many people rallying around Roberts on the Duke matter, which really was an abomination. However, in this particular issue, she had her story confirmed by four sources and gave Arod an opportunity to respond. Is that not how it’s supposed to be done? Arod should be taking a lot more issue with his union, which failed him so miserably in this case, than the reporter.

  64. Andrew February 10th, 2009 at 9:15 am

    This whole circus is the equivalent of Christmas morning for cracked baseball pundits (Ian O’Connor, Bill Madden) and message board juveniles. Now is the time: if you want to make some outrageous demands of players, teams or union heads, and you have an outlet like, say, a newspaper column, write till you can’t write anymore!

  65. Lara08 February 10th, 2009 at 9:15 am

    Doreen that sentiment at the end of Rosenthal’s article left me speechless. Its like A-Rod was wrong because he put the other 103 in the predicament of having to owe up or remain in the shadows. Thats on them. A-Rod doesnt owe them anything.

  66. Ham Fighters February 10th, 2009 at 9:16 am

    listen, im not that mad about the steroids themselves. and before everybody jumps in to say it, ill even concede that i think bernie used.

    like i said, what i wanted yesterday was just honesty and i feel i didnt get it.

  67. YANKS IN 2009 February 10th, 2009 at 9:16 am

    When will the “witch hunt” end?

    When will we stop tearing down our heroes?

  68. Lara08 February 10th, 2009 at 9:19 am

    You’re entitled to that Ham. Others don’t feel as strongly. Such in life.

    No one is going to convince people to feel differently. Its like talking in circles.

  69. Steve B February 10th, 2009 at 9:20 am

    “When will we stop tearing down our heroes?”

    Since when is Arod a hero?

    The guy that safely landed the plane in the Hudson? He’s a hero. Arod’s a fine ballplayer, nothing more.

  70. pat m in ct (different Pat M) February 10th, 2009 at 9:21 am

    Ham-

    he was coached to say just enough to appease the majority of the public without incriminating himself or others in the eyes of the Feds.

    I would have preferred more specific answers but I understand that he has to watch what he says. He should’ve kept his comments about Selena Roberts to a minimum.

  71. William Buckner February 10th, 2009 at 9:24 am

    Can someone show me to a link if there has been any truth to what Arod accused Selena Robert’s of?

    If true, she is a real scumbag, especially in the aftermath of her work with the Duke LAX team. I’m all for investigative journalism, but if AROD is right, this is closer to TMZ then WSJ.

  72. Steve B February 10th, 2009 at 9:27 am

    Pat M:

    I wouldn’t go so far as to say he did enough to appease the MAJORITY of the public. But it was an effort to do so, and that was what he needed to do. It was coached as hell and Arod quite obviously struggled with the coached answer to Gammon’s first question, but he has to be coached for something like this. Anyone in a crisis situation would be.

    Agree on the Roberts thing. Bad idea.

  73. Drew February 10th, 2009 at 9:27 am

    Stop tearing down our heroes?

    Baseball players are not my heroes. They’re my entertainment. There’s a huge difference, one that we would be wise to emphasize to our children.

  74. MaineYankee February 10th, 2009 at 9:27 am

    For everyone that wants to blame ARod for lying I think we need to look at this a little further.

    The union lied to the players that this list would be kept anonymous.

    MLB lied when they said they didn’t know it was going on.

    You can go down the whole chain. Anyone involved that didn’t know is lieing. IMO.

  75. MaineYankee February 10th, 2009 at 9:28 am

    lying

  76. Ham Fighters February 10th, 2009 at 9:28 am

    i think its a shame b/c he missed a golden opportunity to win over not just the fans he had, but guys like me, who werent fans but were willing to stand behind him 100% if they could just believe he was really coming clean and not lying some more.

    there is a tremendous well of people who want to root for him, want to be in his corner and pull for him. guys like me and alot of other yankees fans i know.

    he didnt have to reach out to anybody, he doesnt owe anybody anything, but it just seems tragic that he cant get out of the web of lies and deciet he’s been in for years.

    i think he missed a tremendous opportunity. maybe he will make up for it when he faces the media but i expect more deciet unfortunatly.

  77. Tarheelyank February 10th, 2009 at 9:29 am

    At some point Alex said the first time he heard the name premo-whatever, was a couple of days ago. I believe that. As far as Alex was concerned he was taking “roids”. So to say I am not sure what I was taking, is accurate.

    Kaat last night I believe said he would be first in line to get an edge. Blames MLB and the Union.

    Verducci has such obvious disdain for Alex thats it’s unprofessional. It makes me not want to read his book.

  78. Brad February 10th, 2009 at 9:31 am

    The list of the 103 others WILL be released at some point and it will be interesting to hear the mixture of excuses and denials compared to those that actually fess up.
    Where there’s smoke there’s fire.

  79. Doreen February 10th, 2009 at 9:32 am

    I don’t think ARod should have said Roberts was “stalking” him. I think the word choice was extremely poor. However, it is fair to say that she is writing an unauthorized biography of him. And I think most people realize that unauthorized biographies tend to be unflattering, otherwise the person would be happy to cooperate. He should have said that she’s been relentlessly pursuing him because of this book. But ARod is not that smooth. And he probably feels like he’s being stalked.

  80. Drew February 10th, 2009 at 9:33 am

    Does Katie Couric have some subpoena powers of which I’m unaware? A-Rod did not have to lie and then compound things by supporting his lie with the whole “I’ve never felt overmatched on the baseball field” bit. Here’s another option that too many people fail to appreciate: Shut. Up. If someone’s discussing an issue that touches on your questionable behavior, it’s best to keep your mouth shut. In the event you choose not to do that, be prepared for people to call you a liar and a fraud when it’s exposed that you were, well, a liar and a fraud.

  81. SJ44 February 10th, 2009 at 9:33 am

    Mark,

    I agree. I don’t know though if he can do it under the terms of the CBA.

    What he should do, IMO, is agree to donate whatever bonus money he wins to charity.

    I think if he did that, it would help him tremendously.

    Jennifer,

    I read it this morning.

    I have a lot of friends in the media. Men and women I’m proud to call friends. Good, solid people.

    We can disagree on an issue and still be friends.

    One thing that gets me though is the media moralizing.

    Some of these folks moralizing need to get their own personal house’s in order.

    There is enough there with Arod to comment intelligently and accurately about his mistakes. The moralizing? No place for it, IMO.

    Especially from some of the folks standing on the bigger moral soapboxes.

  82. Doreen February 10th, 2009 at 9:33 am

    Ham Fighters -

    Do you really believe if he said he was still using steroids, sophisticated steroids that allowed him to pass numerous MLB tests and the WBC tests, that people would have embraced him?????? I think they would have been clamoring to have him removed from baseball altogether.

  83. migames February 10th, 2009 at 9:34 am

    “like i said, what i wanted yesterday was just honesty and i feel i didnt get it.”

    I also FEEL like the yankees should have won the series versus Arizona, but i didnt get it.

    Our points are the same. it doesnt matter what we feel…

  84. Steve B February 10th, 2009 at 9:35 am

    “The list of the 103 others WILL be released at some point and it will be interesting to hear the mixture of excuses and denials compared to those that actually fess up.”

    Seriously doubt anyone denies it. Too many have seen the downside of doing so. I agree that the other 103 names will be revealed at some point, but believe almost of them and their reps will go to school on the coached up answers Arod offered yesterday.

  85. pat m in ct (different Pat M) February 10th, 2009 at 9:35 am

    Steve-
    I guess we’ll see if the majority was appeased. Tough to tell now. Given some of the stumbles in the interview, I wonder about the quality of the coaching. May have been his nerves.

  86. Steve B February 10th, 2009 at 9:37 am

    “almost ALL of them…”

  87. randy l February 10th, 2009 at 9:37 am

    we haven’t heard a case of it happening, but how do pro athletes eat out in restaurants in rival cities and not be worried about some rabid opposing fan who has access to peds throwing something in the food served to the players? how would a player explain that?

    the problem with having incredibly strict ped laws, is that some people could be punished when they did nothing. if something like this happened and a player tested positive , should the player just say they were sorry and that they did it, and move on even though they didn’t ?

    the way the system is right now, letting the powers to be get their pound of flesh seems to be the easiest path to follow. it would not surprise me now that the consensus view that spilling the beans and apologizing profusely is the way to go will now cause some of the past people like clemens, mcguire,etc to rethink their positions.

  88. Doreen February 10th, 2009 at 9:38 am

    Katie Couric doesn’t have that kind of power, but how about people listening? Whatever. If anyone expects anyone to “out” themselves on television on any issue in any facet of life, they’re kidding themselves. Yes, he could have turned down the interview. He didn’t. It’s really water under the bridge. And he said last night that he lied to Katie Couric. He’s been lying about steroids for 8 years, basically. He’s really not alone in that, and to expect him or anyone else to implicate themselves before they have to is being even more naive than I usually am!

  89. Doreen February 10th, 2009 at 9:40 am

    What if ARod had begun the interview with a prepared statement and read it to the camera? Would that have been better? Just asking.

  90. Mark in Tampa February 10th, 2009 at 9:41 am

    randy l,

    Wasn’t Ben Johnson given a drink laced with something after his 1988 record 100 meters? At least that was his very plausible side of the story.(heavy sarcasm)

  91. Flavor Boy February 10th, 2009 at 9:45 am

    Gee, you know who else didn’t come clean until they were caught? Tom Daschle and our new Treasury Secretary. We have bigger things to worry about than whether a baseball player took a PED – how about we focus on getting our public officials to pay their taxes

  92. Drew February 10th, 2009 at 9:48 am

    You know what? It’s not even the “No, I never took steroids” that annoys me so much. I think most people have certain things that they will take to the grave with them and lie to anyone that asks them about it along the way. I get that. I have some of those same things.

    What annoys me so much about A-Rod’s comments is that he took it a step farther. He said, “I’ve never felt overmatched on the baseball field,” as if he’s too great to take steroids. It’s a pious remark worsened by the fact that it was completely a lie.

    Brad Ausmus was on Doug Gottlieb’s show yesterday and was asked, flat-out, whether he ever took steroids. His response? “If I took steroids, I’d never admit it” and “Have you ever seen my HR totals? I can barely get the ball over the fence.”

    The point? I don’t know if the guy took steroids or not, but, more importantly, he wasn’t trying to convince me that he didn’t take steroids and he wasn’t trying to act like he was better than that.

    Now, maybe it’s too much for me to expect A-Rod to be so adept at handling media interviews, but at the same time, I can’t help but call him out in a situation like this.

  93. SJ44 February 10th, 2009 at 9:49 am

    Doreen,

    No matter what he said was not going to be enough for some people.

    Since this scandal broke, nobody in baseball said as much about his own PED use as Arod did yesterday. Yet, for some, it was not enough.

    For some, only suicide on live TV would have satisifed their thrist for “justice”.

    He has to be careful of what he says with the Feds looming over every word.

    He’s not going to throw teammates, union leaders or anybody else, under the bus.

    He showed a maturity yesterday that many of us have been hoping he would show for years.

    Its a first step. A positive first step but, a first step just the same.

    If its not enough for some people, that’s just the way it goes.

    If I were him now, I’d keep my mouth shut. Play your butt off this season and above all else, keep your nose clean.

    On and off the field, he needs to be on his best behavior.

    Any trip up now, or any more skeleten come out of the closet, he’s cooked.

  94. Steve B February 10th, 2009 at 9:49 am

    “What if ARod had begun the interview with a prepared statement and read it to the camera? Would that have been better?”

    Better than slightly bungling a prepared answer, you mean??? Six of one, half dozen of the other.

  95. Joba-the next great Yankee closer February 10th, 2009 at 9:51 am

    All the Yankees will support Arod. They are trying to get to the World Series. What do you expect them to say publicly?

    With no steroid use, Hall of Fame – Yes
    With steroid use, Hall of Fame – ???

  96. MaineYankee February 10th, 2009 at 9:58 am

    For the ones that say we have more serious things to deal with than Ped use in baseball are missing the point. This problem goes deeper than pro sports. I’ve seen lots of comments from people here about personal experience of seeing it in college and HS. To me that is a very serious issue. The message needs to be sent about the damage you can do both physically and to your reputation.

  97. Moneyball February 10th, 2009 at 10:03 am

    Pete throw us a shout out

  98. Ham Fighters February 10th, 2009 at 10:13 am

    “No matter what he said was not going to be enough for some people.”

    this is not the case for me. as i said above, i could have accpeted what he copped to and alot more if only i could belive that he told the truth. i wanted to believe him. i wanted to buy that arod jersey.

    sadly i believe him less now than before.

  99. randy l February 10th, 2009 at 10:13 am

    “I don’t think ARod should have said Roberts was “stalking” him. I think the word choice was extremely poor.”

    i agree because the best thing to do for arod is stay on script with the confession and apology.

    selena roberts is just not important. complaining about her just gives her power.

    a better approach to take is for scott boras who has the in house abiity to create books on players when his players go into free agency to dig up everything he can on roberts and at the right time release that info in an organized , legal way.

    for instance, roberts was leaked information from someone who could go to jail if that person(s) is discovered. boras could keep that issue alive. two can play the game of exposure, but if it’s not done right it opens up a can of worms.

    the most obvious weak spot for selena roberts is her incompetency with the duke rape case. boras needs to make sure she is asked about this incompetency on air. it was a joke hearing verducci say last night on the mlb channel that roberts has an impeccable reputation.

    that’s just not true. verducci needs to be called on it too.

    …but for now arod needs to discipline himself not to say her name or mention her in any way except to say , if asked about her,that the messenger should not be shot . he did it, he’s sorry. that’s it.

  100. Jeremy February 10th, 2009 at 10:14 am

    I think that, over time, baseball fans and sportswriters will come to accept that the Steroid Era really existed, and that large numbers of players juiced. This realization will lead to a major change in the way voters decide who gets into the HOF.

    I can’t emphasize this enough: since there was no real testing and no punishment for steroid use through 2003, it is naive to think players stayed away from PEDs solely for health or integrity-related reasons.

    We had reports of a majority of players doping from Canseco and Caminiti, but many people chose to disregard them because they preferred denial to reality.

    The kneejerk reaction from many HOF voters is that PED users shouldn’t get into the HOF. McGwire is a prime example. He should be a first ballot HOFer but only gets a 20% vote.

    This view has to change for two reasons. First, as we are increasingly learning, PED use was rampant and there is no way to know for sure who used and who didn’t. If PED users don’t get into the HOF, then not only do voters have to exclude many of the greatest players of the last 20 years, but they can’t vote for anyone who is even suspected of using PEDs. And as Pete said, who is above suspicion now?

    Second, voters are still looking at the wrong stats and not considering context when it comes to evaluating players. Pete was guilty of these errors when he compared ARod HR and SLG totals in Texas and NY and reached the conclusion that steroids helped him in Texas. He did not consider park factors or ARod’s age, and he did not consider ARod’s accomplishments on a year-by-year basis (such as ARod’s amazing 2005 and even more incredible 2007).

    We already have a very simple and useful stat that allows voters to consider context in evaluating players: OPS+, which compares players to their peers from the same year and considers park factors. OPS+, for example, makes clear that ARod’s 2005 and 2007 were better than any of his Texas seasons.

    The only meaningful, non-arbitrary way for HOF voters to consider Steroid Era players is to use contextual stats like OPS+ to compare them to other Steroid Era players.

    This will be a difficult transition to make, as most HOF voters are still wed to counting stats (HR, RBI) and batting average, stats that say nothing about how well a player performed for his time. It will also be difficult because it will require voters to accept the prevalence of doping in the sport and to assume that every player is guilty of doping until proven innocent.

    If voters start to consider Steroid Era players this way, then yes, cheaters like McGwire, Bonds, and ARod will get into the HOF. But there are no better alternatives. Excluding all players who doped, no matter how good they were, will make the HOF the Hall of Denial, a fantasy world that clings to an imaginary image of baseball as a pure and pristine sport, despite the known character flaws of many HOF inductees.

    If ARod quit baseball today, he should be a first-ballot HOFer. He was great for his time. It is his fault that he cheated. It is not his fault that he played during a bad time.

  101. saucY February 10th, 2009 at 10:14 am

    “Columnist Rick Carpiniello writes that voting for the Hall of Fame has become an impossible task because of steroids.”

    it’s also impossible when you’re as incompotent as him, but hey….

  102. randy l February 10th, 2009 at 10:26 am

    ‘Wasn’t Ben Johnson given a drink laced with something after his 1988 record 100 meters? At least that was his very plausible side of the story.(heavy sarcasm)”

    mark in tampa-

    what if every time a woman had Rohypnol put in her drink, the police arrested her for illegal use of a drug ?

    seriously, how do players prevent something being in their food going into them that’s illegal ?

  103. Propaghandi February 10th, 2009 at 10:32 am

    If ARod gets dumped off the ballot for a 3 year use of steroids, any players that played the game before integration should be barred from the record books for playing in a much easier atmosphere.

    It’s all relative.

  104. Mark in Tampa February 10th, 2009 at 10:33 am

    That is a good question with no solid answer. There are, in fact, many stories of NBA players coming down with food poisoning from food on the road. It would follow that anything could be done to sabotage. Of course, Ben Johnson did eventually acknowledge the truth. But, there is no real way for anybody to know beyond a shadow of a doubt what is really in their food/drink.

    BTW, what is Rohypnol?

  105. Jd jr February 10th, 2009 at 11:24 am

    Rohypnol=date rape drug.

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