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Braves and Yankees: Make this deal?

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Feb 11, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

(In the interest of sanity, yours and mine, I’m proposing that the comments on this post not be about Alex Rodriguez, Selena Roberts or steroids. If for some reason you feel the need to post about those subjects, try the previous post. Or take two Ambiens with a vodka chaser. Enough is enough for now.)

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The Atlanta Braves need outfield help, so it makes sense that they would check in with Brian Cashman, who has an extra one.

But according to Jerry Crasnick of ESPN, the Braves passed on Bobby Abreu because they couldn’t wedge $5 million into their budget.

Xavier Nady is on the books for $6.55 million next year and Nick Swisher for $5.3 million. So if C-Money is going to make that deal, he might have to pick up some money. If that is the case, the Yankees should get a much better return.

I consulted the Baseball America Prospect Handbook. How about Nady and $2 million to the Braves for OF Gorkys Hernandez, LHP Jeff Locke and a lesser prospect? I’m just picking names, but I think it makes sense. Hernandez is a good CF prospect but the Braves already have one of those in Jordan Schafer. Locke is a 21-year-old from New Hampshire who had a poor season in low A ball but has velocity and command. Maybe he needs to meet Nardi Contreras.

The Yankees badly need position player prospects and they lack LH starters in their system beyond Jeremy Bleich and young dudes like Nik Turley and Manny Banuelos.

Now don’t go spreading rumors, I’m just throwing this out there and channelling my inner Joel Sherman for a moment.

Personally, I keep Swisher instead of Nady.

UPDATE, 7:05 p.m.: I should have said this in the original post. I think they should keep both Nady and Swisher so as to have a deeper, versatile bench. But if they do make a trade and include money, it should be for a high return. In the current baseball economy, payroll relief is a pretty big deal.

And to get Hernandez and Locke, they’d probably have to include a decent prospect along with Nady. Here’s how I figure it, if Cash is going to do a deal with the Braves, he should get exactly what he wants. Sitting on Nady and Swisher is just fine.

 
 

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290 Responses to “Braves and Yankees: Make this deal?”

  1. Patrick Bateman February 11th, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    Peter I agree with trading Nady over Swisher. I like Swisher’s ability to play multiple positions and his OBP. Plus I think Nady’s stock is at an all time high.

    I don’t think you’ll get Gorkys Hernandez for either of them though.

  2. Paco Dooley February 11th, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    Does either guy look attractive when compared to Abreu for $5mil? He would have gotten a lot more at arbitration, so he wasn’t a cheap option for the Yanks. But Abreu for that price is a lot more attractive than Nady or Swisher for more money!

  3. AndyH February 11th, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    Swisher over Nady for all sorts of reasons.

  4. Carl February 11th, 2009 at 6:39 pm

    If they trade swisher I think I would cry.

  5. Phil Parcells February 11th, 2009 at 6:40 pm

    btw, will Manny fit in anywhere?

  6. Jayhud February 11th, 2009 at 6:41 pm

    You’re about 3 months late on this trade proposal but Nady only has one year left on his deal. If he goes to the Braves, you’ll have to thrown in a prospect or two. Maybe Juan Miranda to backup Kotchman and be a LH bat off the benc.

  7. Bob(The Original) February 11th, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    I say hold onto Swisher and Nady(especially Swisher) and keep the depth. Swisher can be very valuable for the team if used properly.

    But if they are gonna do a deal, something like what you proposed is interesting Pete.

  8. Peter Abraham February 11th, 2009 at 6:43 pm

    Please, if you would, make this an A-Rod, Roberts and steroids-free thread.

    Frankly, I’m sick of the whole thing and sick of people posting hateful nonsense. If you want to talk about baseball, talk about baseball. That’s three posts in a row. Give it a rest. Let’s all give it a rest.

  9. StandingO'Neil February 11th, 2009 at 6:43 pm

    Pete, love your creativity here, but that would be an awful lot for Atlanta to give up. Even if you find a scout who isn’t high on either Hernandez or Locke (which most are, or at least see them as serviceable major leaguers), the Braves would be giving up 6+ years of cheap service time for one year of an average to slightly above average player.

    Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense on their end. Trades like this usually go the other way (meaning the Yankees would give up the young players) because they are in a must win now mode.

    I’d poke around on Gorky for Nady and a young power relief arm though.

  10. Peter Abraham February 11th, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    Standing:

    I think the $2 million in salary relief for Nady is a huge chip and the Braves need to pay for that. If the Yankees can use their financial clout, they need to get rewarded with two prospects, not one.

  11. Phil Parcells February 11th, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    why would tom hicks be concerned with Tejada. Tejada has never played for the rangers.

  12. dave February 11th, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    February 11th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
    Selena is going to get sued if she starts bringing up stuff about arod in highschool and his personal life in terms of his sexual life. She is really asking for a beat down and there will be plenty of people ready to send her to jail I think for trying to destroy a baseball player who has not hurt anyone. If she thinks she could publish ridiculous stuff like that about someone she doesnt even know and be looked upon in a good light she must be delusional. And that whole goody goody act that she was playing on the michael kay show was o transparent but the media actually still think she is a good writer and a good person. If she publishes this nonsense about arod who is a flawed but decent guy than she will really be scorned by all of NY. The media will grind her @$$ into the ground for writing a book that tried to destroy arod’s life. people do NOT like that kind of stuff and no one deserves to get rich off the suffering of another. I really hope she thinks twice before trying to play this game because she is going to be cruising for a buisin if she does.

  13. Uncle Ellsworth February 11th, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    As it stands now who is the backup 2b SS? Ransom? Any other possibilities?

  14. Al from BK February 11th, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    Pete- Some have been asking if we could get Francoeur. Do you think the Braves are that tired of Francoeur that we could get him in a value for value trade?

  15. dave February 11th, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    They already said arod will NOT be called before a congressional hearing – THEY JUST SAID THAT YESTERDAY. i dont know why people are bringing it back up today.
    Also, do you really think that arod could have test positive for roids in 2004 or later and none of us would know about it or the yankees organization?? Dont you remember hearing about all of the other players who have tested positive in the last few years? You actually think arod would be able to keep it a secret after testing starter? I think one of the fines is that the entire public learns about it – that is actually part of the punishment for doing it now. Its impossible that arod got caught on the yanks and no one knew.

  16. teddy February 11th, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    well peter i like it , i think they would rather have swisher affordable contract for 3 years and is 1 year of nady . thats alot give up for a year rental. if isn’t worth it, keep them both

  17. SJ44 February 11th, 2009 at 6:50 pm

    Now you’re talking Pete.

    Instead of giving Nady away, as some folks want to do here, if you are going to deal him, structure the deal so you get assets back in return.

    One way of doing it is to pick up a third of his salary.

  18. teddy February 11th, 2009 at 6:50 pm

    guys stop with arod stuff, lets talk baseball. pete have those post removed

  19. Mitch February 11th, 2009 at 6:50 pm

    why swisher over nady? Nady almost put up 100 rbi’s last season and 25 hr’s?

  20. Bronx Jeers February 11th, 2009 at 6:50 pm

    I’m of the opinion that they can’t afford to trade Swish or Nady. or at least that it’s too risky.

    I guess Damon’s playing for a new contract whatever that might be but i worry about his feet,legs/shoulder etc.

    And what if Gardner / Melky totally flop in spring training.

    Grabbing a good OF prospect and another lefty arm is nice but the payroll this season’s too big to take chances.(well payroll’s the same as always but man I don’t want to see what happened in the rotation last year happen to the OF this year)

  21. jonathan February 11th, 2009 at 6:50 pm

    i would keep swish #33 in your programs and #1 in our hearts

  22. StandingO'Neil February 11th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    Pete:

    a) love you commenting on the boards here, its great to interact with you.

    b) You gotta think of how much salary relief the Braves would also have if they can develop Locke and Hernandez. Locke could be a mid to back of the rotation starter, which in today’s market would cost you anywhere from 5-10 million dollars (well the 2008 market I should say). No way the Braves keep Nady after 2009, which means they’d have to shop around once again for an outfielder. Then they’d be without Nady, a potential starter and a player who looks to be at worst a 4th outfielder.

  23. Peter Abraham February 11th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    Well, i tried to get this to work.

    But Dave just has to post his usual 500 words about Selena Roberts and steroids. Thanks for listening, Dave.

    Dave, I love that you want to post so often. But you’re killing me. You’re just killing me. I’m begging you to stop. Just stop. Nobody cares.

  24. GreenBeret7 February 11th, 2009 at 6:52 pm

    I can see moving Nady and Ramirez/Veras for Prado and Hernadez, but, I’m not sure I’d add cash to the deal.

  25. StandingO'Neil February 11th, 2009 at 6:52 pm

    Al….you don’t want Francouer unless he’s a throw in in any deal. Definitely not the center piece.

  26. Gman February 11th, 2009 at 6:52 pm

    Keep Swisher. Just to change the subject for one moment, if Arod has an MVP type year would the writer’s overlook him for the award? And if he does win it, he would be the first player to admit to taking Steroids, and winning MVP. I also think that if he does win another MVP, there should be no roadblock to Cooperstown.

  27. teddy February 11th, 2009 at 6:52 pm

    cause swisher has more power and a better career obp

  28. Vito February 11th, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    Pete,
    I think it is a great idea. Couldn’t agree more – keep Swisher, turn Nady into prospects. However when, not if, Matsui goes down you suddenly have a hole. In that case maybe 2 or 3 weeks of Shelly or Eric Duncan as a stop gap DH would be enough? If not, no shortage of deals that could be made.

  29. SJ44 February 11th, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    Dave,

    Enough. Time to talk baseball. This is a baseball tread. We’ve exhausted enough time and space on the subject.

    Nothing more can be said that hasn’t been said already.

  30. Tom February 11th, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    Interesting trade, Pete. I don’t think I’d take Gorkys Hernandez though. He’s another one of those little-power, poor OBP guys whose game is based on speed. How often do they turn out to be any good?

  31. Peter Abraham February 11th, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    Standing:

    I picked Locke because he was 5-12, 4.06 last year. Maybe the Braves are down on him. And Hernandez is a secondary CF to Schafer and wasn’t great in Low A ball last year.

    I’m open to ideas and suggestions. I’m just trying to start something decent conversation.

  32. MikeEff February 11th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    i wish we could get jordan shafer from them ( ped user) but i suppose they won’t trade him…

  33. AndyH February 11th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    Swisher is undervalued, just came off his worst career year, and most of all has never played in a lineup this potent, or anywhere NEAR it for that matter.

    He’ll be all kinds of different on the pinstripes.

  34. StandingO'Neil February 11th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    Gman…sadly I don’t think Arod has much of a chance at another MVP. Not so much because he won’t put up MVP type of numbers, but because he needs the votes from a lot of writers who the past few days have been calling him a phony and a fraud.

    Hopefully I’m wrong on this and the voters can put their displeasure with Arod aside. But a lot of times the voting seems to come down to a popularity contest, and Arod isn’t winning any of those anytime soon.

  35. Al from BK February 11th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    Eh, honestly Pete I don’t think we need this trade although getting some young prospects would be nice.

  36. Tom February 11th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    Pete, Hows about you set the filter to block the the words A-rod/Roberts and Steroids for the remainder of the night?

  37. randy l February 11th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    if someone wants to talk about subjects not allowed on this post , just go back to the last one and keep it going on that thread :)

  38. bru February 11th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    bru
    February 11th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
    the goverment goes after players that lie under oath,arod did not do that.they might wan’t to ask him about dealers,etc but he won’t get into trouble.

  39. SJ44 February 11th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    I’d keep Nady unless a deal comes along that is a plus for the Yankees.

    Getting Gorky and a LH arm is a plus. Martin Prado? Not so much.

  40. Nick in SF February 11th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    Pete: my comment was no big deal, so I don’t paticularly mind its ex post facto deletion, but in the future, if certain topics are going to be off-limits in the comments section, can you mention that in the original post?

  41. ANSKY February 11th, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    I like keeping both Nady & Swisher until we see how the outfield shapes up. I’d say keeping it this way until mid season is a good idea, unless the team really can’t find a competent outfield of 3 players from among the 6 we have (if you include Matsui) competing for jobs.

    Who knows what will happen with Burnett’s health? Pettitte’s possible battle with age or general wear & tear? The health of post-surgical Posada, Mo and Matsui? Will both, either, or neither Melky or Gardner step up? Will Cano regress? How well will Jackson progress in the minors? What happens if Molina somehow gets hurt? When mid season comes around, the Yanks will be in a much better position to find out what they’ll REALLY need for the stretch, and be able to get it if they have both Nady & Swisher.

    Pete … nice ‘change of subject’ thread … thanks for that.

  42. dave February 11th, 2009 at 6:59 pm

    Riverave had a post about derek jeter’s comments which they see in a very positive light but I like what they said the third paragraph in which doesnt really have a thing to do with derek or arod but more what we have been talking about here:

    “At some point, the media is going to have to acknowledge its role in the steroid scandal through something other than misguided righteous indignation. These reporters were in the clubhouse every day; they saw the players; they must have known something about what was going on. Yet, none of them bothered to pursue the story ten years ago. So they resort to over-the-top coverage and attempt to sow dissent among the Yanks, the Giants, whichever player tests positive today.”

    I really liked this post as it is strongly put and well-worded. I loved the “misguided righteous indignation” comment a heck of a lot. These are just the perfect words to describe (what riverave later says in the last paragraph) “the vicious media machine.”

  43. Phil February 11th, 2009 at 6:59 pm

    Peter,

    you really haven’t been tipped on this? Cause Nady and Gorkys seem to be the main names they’re talking about and Locke is one of the others, as well as either another Yankee prospect or cash.

  44. BaseballMogul February 11th, 2009 at 7:00 pm

    I like a deal centered around Prado and Hernandez. Given the depth of starting pitching in the upper level minors and the fact that Sabathia/Burnett have rotation spots sewn up for at least five years (and hopefully Hughes & Joba can be included there), there’s little reason to focus on lower level pitching that might not be needed for 5 years, if at all.

    Prado’s versatility and fielding ability make him a need for the Yankee bench. Hernandez is a much needed outfield prospect since the Yankees are devoid of any beyond AJax.

  45. Bronx Jeers February 11th, 2009 at 7:00 pm

    I’m all for banning/filtering/blocking our 3rd basemans name
    from the blog until he produces something baseball worthy to talk about.

    Actually that could be a good news story in itself.

    AP- The most visited blog covering the Yankees has banned all references of the teams notorious 3rd baseman until such player actually does something related to the actual game of baseball.

    Maybe The Onion?

  46. Chris from NJ February 11th, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    Why not keep Nady and let him walk and take the draft pick compensation, assuming he is at least a B, and if he has a good season this year, he could be an A. But I agree that we need to start thinking about position player prospects, we have plenty of good young arms in the system.

  47. StandingO'Neil February 11th, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    Pete,

    Hey I’m enjoying this discussion. I may very well be wrong too and maybe we could get both. And from what I’ve read on both I think it would be a great trade for the Yankees.

    I just think Locke’s numbers are a bit misleading. He struggled this year but he’s still very young and he has a plus fastball with movement and seems to be able to command it well. According to Baseball America he also has a hard breaking ball and an improving change up. There is a lot of upside there to give away for a rental player.

    In fact the Padres were very interested in Locke during the whole Peavy talks, however it seems they couldn’t come off of Schaefer and Escobar as well.

    Hernandez has been compared to Kenny Lofton (obviously the absolute ceiling for him), so he still has some trade value.

  48. Buddy Biancalana February 11th, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    dave-

    Are you reading any of the comments? Take a break already.

  49. Peter Abraham February 11th, 2009 at 7:04 pm

    Phil: No, I came up with this on my own. It’s probably too much, I’m sure.

    Nick: Sorry. I tried to comment as fast as I could.

    Dave: No offense, but are you stupid? Stop it.

  50. GreenBeret7 February 11th, 2009 at 7:04 pm

    I suggested getting back Prado as a utility guy, but he makes just of MLB minimum, so perhaps Nady and Veras/Ramirez for Hernandez and Infante instead, who makes 4.3 mil for 2 years plus an option. Infante and Prado are similar players, but abot 2 mil difference a year in salary.

  51. Clare February 11th, 2009 at 7:04 pm

    Regarding the original topic on the last thread, was J.B. Cox the player who was on super-secret probation due to a fight/injury?

  52. randy l February 11th, 2009 at 7:04 pm

    dave-

    you said you studied for six hours for a med school test today ?

    you been getting into the greenies again?

  53. StandingO'Neil February 11th, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    “super-secret probation”

    Wasn’t it double secret probation? lol

  54. dave February 11th, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    I reposted those from the last thread before i EVEN had a chance to read the comments before that. if i SAW your posts pete I definitely would NOT have reposted them here obviously. I think people definitely care – we have been talking about it for almost a week straight and the radio does not even take a breath in between sentences about him. Frankly, those last two posts were NOT long posts whatsoever. They were a normal size and i do admit when I am getting lengthy. I will respect your wishes though and not post anything more about last week. Its your blog afterall.

  55. Patrick February 11th, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    Pete,

    That’s a good trade proposal. The Yanks really don’t need anything on their major league squad except maybe a CF. It might be a smart idea to unload Nady for prospects. Nady had a huge year last year that was far better than any of his other seasons. It is pretty likely that he can’t repeat that kind of offensive production in 2009. On the other hand, Swisher had a much worse than average season in 2008 and its pretty likely he’ll bounce back.

    I’d be happy keeping Xavier though. He really helps the bench and gives the Yanks a nice outfield rotation.

  56. dave February 11th, 2009 at 7:10 pm

    Teddy,

    Relax. I just posted them without even reading the previous comment by pete. Geez, it is not the end of the world man. you should calm down.

  57. S.o.S. February 11th, 2009 at 7:10 pm

    Can we just grab Dejesus for less and put him in center? At least he can hit above .280.

  58. CanIGetAMooseCall February 11th, 2009 at 7:11 pm

    Yanks have Swisher for $5.3 million when they could have had Abreu for $5 million???!!! That, my friends, is called a bad move.

  59. dave February 11th, 2009 at 7:12 pm

    What are you guys talking about?? Did you read my apology. i saId I AM SORRY. I DID NOT SEE PETE’S COMMENT UNTIL AFTER MY FIRST FEW POSTS. Geez.

  60. kd February 11th, 2009 at 7:12 pm

    i like the baseball talk.

    why not go to camp with nady and swisher and see if we need to get a catcher during the season? posada is not a sure thing, if we need someone to split time with molina, nady and some money might be the piece to get it done.

  61. Chris February 11th, 2009 at 7:12 pm

    I do not think Atlanta will take Nady b/c of his pending FA and the prospect of having to deal with Scotty Boras. If they do take Nady, I am sure the possible one and done scenario would impact the return even if we do kick in 2 million.

    Personally, if we could could get Gorkys Hernandez in the deal – for me forget about the lefty – I would be more than happy. Hernandez was a plus CF prospect in the Detroit system before being traded to the Braves as part of the terrible Edgar Renteria trade. And the Tigers know a thing or two drafting or signing CF prospects – Maybin and Granderson.

  62. Buddy Biancalana February 11th, 2009 at 7:12 pm

    dave-

    I’m just teasin’. Love your responses tho. Concise & to the point.

  63. dave February 11th, 2009 at 7:12 pm

    randy,

    im in med school. I study for hours almost every day.

  64. Chris February 11th, 2009 at 7:13 pm

    Good to be talking about on the field baseball and hot stove items again!

  65. StandingO'Neil February 11th, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    “Getting Gorky and a LH arm is a plus.”

    SJ, I’m not as high on Gorky as some people, although he’s young and the power should eventually come, so I’d be more interested in seeing the Yankees get LHP Cole Rohrbough if at all possible. Guy is absolutely filthy. Then again, maybe the emergence of Rohrbough will make Locke expendable, so Pete could be closer than I first thought.

  66. Running Man February 11th, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    Pete, it’s ok you deleted my comment. I just wanted to let you know I love your blog and your writing. I was just poking a little fun journalist’s have at the expense of grammar.

    Put a vote in for Swisher here. I really like Nady he seems to have the right attitude and could be a plus in the clubhouse (unless you know something Pete or anyone else that I don’t) with all of the distractions we have going on.

    Fellow fans, this could be a blessing that all these distractions hit in the winter and not in March-April when the Yankees are trying to put together a team.

  67. StandingO'Neil February 11th, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    “Yanks have Swisher for $5.3 million when they could have had Abreu for $5 million???!!! That, my friends, is called a bad move.”

    Swisher > Abreu. I’m taking defense into account here too.

  68. Running Man February 11th, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    Pete, it’s ok you deleted my comment. I just wanted to let you know I love your blog and your writing. I was just poking a little fun journalist’s have at the expense of grammar.

    Put a vote in for Swisher here. I really like Nady, he seems to have the right attitude and could be a plus in the clubhouse (unless you know something Pete or anyone else that I don’t) with all of the distractions we have going on.

    Fellow fans, this could be a blessing that all these distractions hit in the winter and not in March-April when the Yankees are trying to put together a team.

  69. Clare February 11th, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    I agree with kd, save both for a potential mid-season trade. It’s not just catcher that’s a potential problem. If any of our infielders goes down for a significant amount of time, there’s no viable replacments in the system (except, of course, Swisher if Tex is injured).

  70. Chris February 11th, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    Personally – there are about three CF prospects out there that I think the Yankees should look into that have a decent shot of being able to be obtained in a trade:

    Gorkys Hernandez – already talked about

    Chris Dickerson – late bloomer IMO

    http://www.baseballamerica.com.....l_id=56155

    Julio Borbon – the Rangers always need pitching – even though they have Perez and Holland – Eric Hurley just went down the for the year

    http://www.baseballamerica.com.....l_id=80562

  71. Joe February 11th, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    Am I missing something? Why would the Yankees trade Nady, a guy who had a very good year last year and more importantly, did well in NEW YORK (something that can’t be quantified), instead of Swisher? Higher average, OBP, had a solid year in NY after the trade…I get that Swisher can play a couple position decently, but a .244 career hitter that is coming off a year where he hit .219? I’ll have to respectfully disagree and say Swisher should go.

  72. Bronx Jeers February 11th, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    “Yanks have Swisher for $5.3 million when they could have had Abreu for $5 million???!!! That, my friends, is called a bad move.”

    No moosecall for you!

    There’s no denying Abreu’s presence in the lineup but Swish could do some nice too things if he had our guy hitting behind him all year. Swish can play D as well.

  73. GreenBeret7 February 11th, 2009 at 7:19 pm

    If Nady puts up the same numbers, or even close to his 2008 numbers, he’s going to be a class A free agent. Atlanta gives him a year of 550-600 at bats. At worse, Atlanta gets 2 high picks for him.

  74. dave February 11th, 2009 at 7:20 pm

    Pete,

    I agree with Nick on that comment he made in here. If you want us to not talk about a specific topic in the thread, can you write that in the original post? I think it is easier to avoid confusion that way as i dont often read all the comments before I post one (I go back to them right after) but I read the post itself.

    As for trading nady over swisher, I agree with that. I dont even think it is a question. Nady is going to go something like 280 340 this year with 20 homers and not much better than that. Is that even league average out of right field? Swisher is just a far better and more versatile player. I would want to keep both of them unless we get a steal like you said.

  75. kd February 11th, 2009 at 7:21 pm

    joe,

    nady has one year left on his deal and has boras as an agent. he’ll likely command a multi-year deal north of $10 mill per. swish is signed for the next 3 years at $21 mill. it’s a money thing.

    plus swish is a switch hitter who was asked to hit lead off for the white sox, not a natural thing for him. he had a bad year and many think he’ll bounce back

  76. dave February 11th, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    Wow Buddy! Was that a compliment? Im pretty sure it wasnt sarcasm because my posts were not all that long. We have come a long way my friend. If it was a compliment, I appreciate it.

  77. StandingO'Neil February 11th, 2009 at 7:23 pm

    GreenBeret…you’re probably right, but you just can’t tell how that will all shake out this far in advance. I mean this time last year we thought we’d get two picks for Abreu.

    Joe…looking at the 2008 numbers you’d be correct in saying that Nady is the better player. But if you go according to their career norms, Swisher usually has the higher OBP & slugging.

    When you factor in the constant position shuffle, the infrequent playing time and the low BABIP average, you can make the case that Swisher was just terribly unlucky last year. Also that fact that he’s just 28 years old allows me to believe that, since he should be entering his prime, not dropping off so much. It’s a gamble, but if he returns to his career norms, he’s a steal at 6 million (then again Dunn and Burrell are only getting 8-10 million).

  78. randy l February 11th, 2009 at 7:24 pm

    “im in med school. I study for hours almost every day.”

    dave-

    i was just teasing you because most people after studying for 6 hours would want a pizza and beer rather than writing long posts. but hey if that relaxes you who am i to say differently. after all you’re the one in med school.

    i’m just want to caution you though; this bog is like crack. it’s probably caused more than a few failed tests. just saying.

  79. Gman February 11th, 2009 at 7:24 pm

    I think when Abreu’s name shows up on that list, the Yankees will be glad they didn’t bring him back.

  80. Boston Dave February 11th, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    Pete,

    Point taken but don’t forget Jairo Heredia as a LHP prospect.

  81. StandingO'Neil February 11th, 2009 at 7:26 pm

    Chris I’d love to get Borbon, but it seems we’d really have to bowl the Rangers over with a package centered around a pitcher and Austin Jackson. The fact that they are moving Hamilton to right field (which is where he should be anyways) shows me they are clearing the path for Borbon.

  82. Nick in SF February 11th, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    “I agree with Nick on that comment he made in here.”

    It would save everyone a lot of time if they would just copy that and save it as a regular comment to paste in here as needed. I recomment using F1, but of course that’s up to each individual user. ;)

    And I concur on keeping both Swisher and Nady.

  83. dave February 11th, 2009 at 7:29 pm

    Joe,

    There are at least ten reasons to think swisher is the better one to keep. One, his contract is longer and reasonably priced. Two, Swisher takes waaay more walks so his obp will be at least 40 points higher or so. Three, Swisher can play first, left, right and center in a pinch so he is more versatile. Four, nady’s contract is up next season and he is a boras guy. Five, nady did not do so great in nY last year in total. Six, there is every reason to believe last year was a fluke for swisher and a good reason to believe that nady was actually very lucky last year. Seven, swisher has more potential than nady at this point. Eight, swisher has more power than nady. Nine, Swisher is a switch-hitter and ten, swisher seems like a better presence in the clubhouse IMO.

  84. Boston Dave February 11th, 2009 at 7:30 pm

    “SJ, I’m not as high on Gorky as some people, although he’s young and the power should eventually come”

    ——————————

    We need to realize that not everyone (especially CF) are going to have power. I have no idea how Gorkys will turn out but he is a solid defensive CF and looks like he could be a .300 hitter with decent OBP and very good speed.

    Trying to build a team around guys who can hit 40HR isn’t going to work. Build a team with a good mix… and a CF leadoff hitter with speed who gets on base is a good piece of the puzzle (again, not saying Gorkys is definitely this guy but saying not to judge all players on their ‘power’)

  85. Chris February 11th, 2009 at 7:30 pm

    Standing O’Neil

    I hear you that it would be difficult – but I would rather have Borbon over A-Jax so I am not too broken up about it. The pitcher gets a little difficult as it would have to come from a list of Hughes, Brackman, Betances, Vizcaino, DeLa Rosa, Heredia, McCallister – i.e. the heavy hitters on the mound.

    For me it would be worth it b/c Borbon would easily be one of our best position prospects right there with Montero and he could then man CF. He’s a lefty and BA gives him glowing remarks – comparing him a little to a young Damon.

    It might be time to start dealing our surplus in pitching for position player prospects at the high levels that we are lacking.

  86. jennifer February 11th, 2009 at 7:32 pm

    I would love for us to keep Nick, I love the energy he seems to have, I think he will loosen up the clubhouse.

    Since a lot of the chips have fallen in way of players being signed, I like our chances of trading Nady for some decent prospects.

  87. dave February 11th, 2009 at 7:32 pm

    randy,

    Point taken. And that reminds me, i have to go back to studying or I am going to fail my test. Have a good night guys.

  88. dave February 11th, 2009 at 7:33 pm

    and randy,

    I dont drink a beer because i JUST have to start studying again an hour later anyway. But i did have pizza while i was talking with you guys if that helps.

  89. darkmoonfire February 11th, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    I definitely don’t want to see Swisher traded. I’m sure he’s a sleeper and going to be not only a great player, but a great Yankee. My feeling is that he wasn’t in an happy place with the White Sox. He killed us when he was with the A’s. He may also have the hottest wife in sports (not that that is anything to do with anything)

    I can see why trading Nady makes some sense. I think he’s not quite as good as his contract value (thanks Boras). But, that said, he just looks like he could step off the Yankee Stadium field in 1996 , he’s that kind of gritty guy. So I don’t really want him gone either.

    But you’re right Pete. We lack position player prospects and that has to be dealt with sooner rather than later.

  90. randy l February 11th, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    dave-
    good luck on the test :)

  91. StandingO'Neil February 11th, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    Chris…agree 100% with everything you said. From that list of pitchers you mentioned, I’d like to keep Hughes and Brackman.

    I’m a big Betances fan, but there are just so many things that have to go right for him in the next 2 years for him to have a chance at the rotation. Huge ceiling but low probability. At least with Brackman he’s had success in college. If Brackman and Betances both had big years in ’09, I’d then be more likely to trade Hughes.

    I do think McAllister will pitch in NY someday.

  92. SJ44 February 11th, 2009 at 7:36 pm

    Heredia is a RH pitching prospect.

  93. Boston Dave February 11th, 2009 at 7:36 pm

    “It might be time to start dealing our surplus in pitching for position player prospects at the high levels that we are lacking.”

    Chris,

    Interesting point, though the Yankees have hopefully 3 of the 4 infield positions covered for the forseeable future. They have good catching prospects.

    IMO, teams these days are much better off building a farm system full of pitching and just signing hitters out of free agency. It’s somewhat rare for a pitcher of CC Sabathia’s caliber to reach free agency. More often than not, the best players in free agency are position players.

    The Yanks could use some OF depth however. We are pinning all of our hopes on AJax becoming not just an avg major leaguer but an above average all-star caliber player.

    The Yankees would be wise not to put all their eggs in one basket with AJax.

  94. yankeefan91 Arod fan (sign manny now) February 11th, 2009 at 7:37 pm

    theres notin wong with dave trying to express himself its a blog that wat we doooooo

  95. StandingO'Neil February 11th, 2009 at 7:38 pm

    “We need to realize that not everyone (especially CF) are going to have power.”

    Boston Dave I agree with that statement, but a hitter should at least have a slugging percentage over .400. It really is impossible to go on Hernandez’s current numbers though in telling how he’ll hit at the major league level. If a CF is going to only slug .400-.410, he really has to be ++ in center field. I think Jacoby Ellsbury is a good example of that.

  96. rodg12 February 11th, 2009 at 7:38 pm

    I like the idea Pete. The Braves would have to be interested in that added $2 mill and would have to up theprospects if that’s included. It would probably take a minor league arm as well but we have a few of those that are expendable.

  97. Boston Dave February 11th, 2009 at 7:38 pm

    SJ44,

    You’re right… thanks for correcting me there. Not sure what I was thinking.

  98. Peter Abraham February 11th, 2009 at 7:40 pm

    I love me some Nick Swisher. I think the OBP, the versatility and his personality will fit in well. They need a Giambi lite kind of character. (as a wise man said, this game has a heartbeat).

    I do think keeping both makes sense. Matsui is a health risk, so is Damon. You also can’t count on Melky and/or Gardner.

    But this also could be a chance to use the economy to your advantage. The Braves need a bat and they have no money. The Yankees can use their clout to maybe get a better quality prospect.

    I think Cash needs to stand firm on it. Either you get exactly what you want or you sit on what you have.

  99. kasey February 11th, 2009 at 7:40 pm

    can somebody explain to me, and i mean this sincerely, why people seem to value swisher over nady? nady had a very solid year last year and, sure, swisher is a versatile player but he had a down year last year. i’m wary of handing him the starting job over nady, but maybe i’m basing too much on last year’s performances alone. it seems like a number of people expect swisher to bounce back.

  100. jennifer February 11th, 2009 at 7:40 pm

    Montero is Posada’s heir apparent
    By Anthony McCarron

    Eric Duncan, the Yanks’ No. 1 pick in 2003, was once thought to be their top prospect, but he hasn’t reached the majors at 24 and was exposed in the Rule 5 draft and not taken. On Friday, Duncan, a 1B/3B was taking balls in the outfield. “The more versatility he has defensively gives him a greater chance to help us,” Newman said. “He is still relatively young and has had some good, really productive stretches in his young career. He’s been close (to blossoming) and then kind of backed off. We’ll see how it goes.” In 120 games at
    Triple-A last season, Duncan hit .233 with 11 homers and 60 RBI…Asked to name a potential surprise major-league roster candidate coming out of spring training, Newman said, “Mike Dunn. Lefty, really good arm. Fastball up to 97 (mph), legit power slider.” Dunn, a 23-year-old former outfielder, was 5-7 with a 4.49 ERA in 31 games (22 starts) between Tampa and Double-A Trenton last year.

  101. Chris February 11th, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    Boston Dave
    Boston Dave

    Good points.

    I hear you about developing pitching prospects and you can never have too many – but IMO the Yankees overloaded on pitching prospects right now – especially righties – that there will become a log jam and might create an opportunity to trade for young positional prospects – mainly OFers – to groom for the future. The OF will have considerable turnover in the next season. We have depth with RHP prospects and not all of them are going to be able to play in New York even if they all reach their ceilings. It also becomes a numbers game.

  102. Patrick February 11th, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    Jairo Heredia is a beast, he has the potential to be an ace.

  103. Boston Dave February 11th, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    StandingO’Neil,

    I am only relaying what I’ve read from other publications but Hernandez is considered (at least by some) to be ++ defensively. He may very well be a similar player to Ellsbury – though I hate making comparisons with young players.

    My rationale for trading Nady is simply that Atlanta may be semi-desperate and willing to overpay for him.

    I am absolutely in the camp that believes we should keep both Nady and Swisher unless another team will overpay.

  104. Boston Dave February 11th, 2009 at 7:43 pm

    Chris,

    I think you are right. It’s worth at least exploring a trade or two to secure some additional OF prospects.

    Good lefty pitching prospects are gold though and not exactly easy to pry away from other teams. You’re right, they should be able to get some OF if they want to move a couple RH prospects.

  105. Yankee Trader February 11th, 2009 at 7:43 pm

    Pete-

    A few of us chimed in on a Nady deal to the Braves on the last thread.

    Since supposedly the Braves have 7M left to dole out, to try and include a corner outfielder and Tom Glavine, we would, as you said, most likely have to eat some of Nady’s 6.65M one year contract.

    The Braves have multiple outfielders who are ahead of Gorkys Hernandez, starting with Jordan Schafer, Josh Anderson, Jeff Francoeur and Brandon Jones.

    Personally I would like to see a multiple player trade in which we get bot Martin Prado and a young outfielder for Nady and one of Ramirez/Veras/Robertson/.

    Then I’d like to see us sign Juan Cruz who has set-up skills and also came up as a starter. We only lose a 4th round pick and he’s extra insurance in case Rivera gets injured.

    Thoughts??

  106. yankeefan91 Arod fan (sign manny now) February 11th, 2009 at 7:44 pm

    teixeira supports arod

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

  107. Boston Dave February 11th, 2009 at 7:44 pm

    Pete,

    right on with that last post. I think you hit the nail on the head there.

  108. jennifer February 11th, 2009 at 7:44 pm

    oops left out the Montero part.

    Here is the link
    http://www.nydailynews.com/blo.....ppare.html

  109. Chris February 11th, 2009 at 7:44 pm

    Standing O’Neil

    I agree – McCallister – if he stays a Yankee – will be a great back of the end rotation guy who eats up innings and has a respectable ERA – IMO.

    Also – you’re right about Betances in that so many things have to go right for him. This year will be huge for him.

    Take a look at the potential High A Tampa rotation: Betances, DeLa Rosa, Heredia, possibly Brackman. That’s a lot of talent there.

  110. GreenBeret7 February 11th, 2009 at 7:44 pm

    Until I looked back a little while ago, I didn’t realize that Infante was with the Braves, but, Infante plays all three infield spots (1st base excluded), butm he also plays a solid defence in all three outfield spots. He plays a very good center field, can surprise with power and has speed and a good arm.

    NYY has an extra outfielder, but, are overloaded with relief pitchers. I would wait to do a deal near the end of spring training, though. Minor League prospects and very good utility infielders are where NYY is thin. Infante is only 27 years old and could challenge Gardner and Cabrera for the center field spot.

  111. kd February 11th, 2009 at 7:46 pm

    pete,

    any chance that you could get swisher to accompany you on one of the video chats? as a bay area guy, he gave the best local tv interviews i’ve ever seen. win or lose, he was hilarious.

  112. Boston Dave February 11th, 2009 at 7:46 pm

    I was against signing Juan Cruz a month ago but the more I think about it, the more it might make sense.

    The Yankees give up a 4th rounder. Sign him with the intention of trading him. Trade him now… trade him at the deadline. Whenever.

    The Yankees will either have too many quality bullpen guys (is that a bad thing?) or they will actually need Cruz and be happy they don’t have to trade prospects at the deadline to get a reliever.

    Either way, if Cruz can be had for a 1yr deal, he will be very valuable as either a contributor or as trade bait.

  113. Bronx Jeers February 11th, 2009 at 7:46 pm

    “I would love for us to keep Nick, I love the energy he seems to have,”

    I concur. And I find that his comments here more than make up for his low average.

  114. thenextandykosco February 11th, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    Pete,

    I appreciate your bringing us some real baseball talk. Like many others, I feel exhausted by this off-season’s concentration of discussions about the topics none of us want to have mentioned again, if we could avoid it. What is the proper term for the hot stove league when the venue changes to Tampa but spring training hasn’t formally started yet? Just curious.

    Regarding your post about the perceived lack of lefty starting pitching in the upper levels of the Yankee minor league organization, I would point out that Michael Dunn, age 23, and Wilkins De La Rosa, age 23, are both southpaw starters who may pitch at Trenton this year. The Yankees placed both on the 40-man roster in November, so the Yankees must have believed, right or wrong, that some other major league organization might have coveted them in the Rule 5 draft. By choosing to protect Dunn and De La Rosa, the Yankees chose to leave exposed such other talents as J. B. Cox and Alan Horne, who weren’t picked, and Jason Jones, Reegie Corona, Ivan Nova, and Zach Kroenke (another lefty who hasn’t started since 2006). Other organizations thought enough of Jones, Corona, Nova and Kroenke to take them in the draft and to pay at least $25,000 each to give them a tryout this spring in their major league camps, although I personally would not be surprised to see all four returned to the Yankee organization before the end of spring training. I’m just using the four who were picked in the major league phase of the Rule 5 draft as a very rough gauge of the evaluations the Yankees and other organizations might have given to Dunn and De La Rosa, who were protected.

  115. StandingO'Neil February 11th, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    Agreed Dave, in fact I wouldn’t be shocked it for an extend period of time next year we see Nady in left and Swisher in right. Not a bad outfield if you ask me.

    The guy who the yankee brass is apparently really in love with is Arodys Vizcaino (I believe Keith Law even called him a sleeper in the organization). Thing is he’s only pitched as high as the GCL, but he’s just 18 years old.

  116. Boston Dave February 11th, 2009 at 7:48 pm

    maybe I was confusing Heredia with De La Rosa :)

    either way, the Yanks could use another lefty arm in the farm

  117. Peter Abraham February 11th, 2009 at 7:48 pm

    Yankee trader:

    I disagree on Cruz. They’re finally drafting well and they need some picks. I wouldn’t want them to go 1st round, 2nd round then 5th round. Then they’re getting only three of the best 165 picks or whatever it will be. I know Cruz is good but will he be good coming to the AL? And with all the good power arms they have already is that necessary.

    Plus his salary? I don’t see it.

  118. Jeremy February 11th, 2009 at 7:50 pm

    kasey,

    Swisher has higher upside as a hitter than Nady and is more versatile defensively.

    He had two great seasons in Oakland and then a bad season in Chicago. People expect a rebound because there was no indication that he was doing anything differently in Chicago than he did in Oakland.

    Nady is kind of average overall.

  119. Peter Abraham February 11th, 2009 at 7:50 pm

    The next:

    I was talking LH starters. Dunn is a reliever as far as I know, or will be. I also think you can never have too many LHP prospects, especially with the dimensions at the new place the same as the old.

  120. Laura - Standing behind Alex! February 11th, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    Is anyone else surprised that Dunn got more $$$ than Abreu did?

  121. Yankee Trader February 11th, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    GB7-I think the Braves want to hold onto Infante. But as most all agree, let the Braves come to us and see what they offer for Nady, see what they offer for Swisher. We have relief pitching to spare and a corner outfielder. Like most, hope we keep Swisher

  122. miggs February 11th, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    test

  123. Nick in SF February 11th, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    Thank you, Bronx Jeers. No need to worry for the time being. Although my agent has fielded several lucrative multi-year offers to comment on other Yankee blogs, I’m very happy with LoHud and look forward to commenting through 2009 once the details of my opt-out clause are finalized.

  124. jennifer February 11th, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    Well Dunn is younger, but I just looked at his BA, and yes I am shocked.

  125. Boston Dave February 11th, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    “They’re finally drafting well and they need some picks.”

    What if signing Cruz, basically to circumvent the 1st rd pick loss for another team, is going to yield an even better prospect?

    Sign Cruz with the intention of spinning him for a prospect that is more valuable than the 4th rounder they’d lose but perhaps less valuable than the 1st rounder another team would have to give up to get him.

    just trying to be creative :)

  126. Peter Abraham February 11th, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    Anyway, I just finished my newspaper story and plan to watch some college hoop and try and do 45 minutes on the treadmill. (Insert joke here, I know). I’m going to be here until April 1 and my plan is to work out at least 40 of the 51 days. I’m 2 for 2 so far.

    I might post something later. If not, you all have a good night and try to be civil, OK? Thanks

  127. GreenBeret7 February 11th, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    The dimensions at the new park is the same as the old, but, are the wind currents the same?

  128. Jeremy February 11th, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    As the great Bruce Jenkins said, this is an old team. I’m confident both Nady and Swisher will get plenty of playing time if we keep them.

  129. miggs February 11th, 2009 at 7:54 pm

    Wow that scared the crap out of me….

    I’ve been trying to post all day and my comments have gotten lost in the filter or something.

    I thought maybe I was banned.

    You never realize how great it is to be able to blog until you think you ost it.

  130. Doreen February 11th, 2009 at 7:54 pm

    So, you’re talking prospects over immediacy (not major league ready)?

    I don’t think it’s a bad idea; as you said, the Yankees have a deficit in their system as far as position players and lefties.

    But I like the depth at our ML level this year with both Swisher and Nady and if you make that trade you not only lose the outfield depth, you are still in need (possibly) of a utility infielder.

  131. Boston Dave February 11th, 2009 at 7:55 pm

    Laura,

    I would be but Dunn is much younger. Of course it’s not like we’re talking long term deals here so it’s a good question to ask.

    It all goes back to this…. “chicks (and GMs) dig the long ball”

  132. Jeremy February 11th, 2009 at 7:56 pm

    Laura, I’m surprised he got twice Abreu’s salary, but I’m not shocked. Dunn hits 40 HR a year every year. Abreu is lucky to hit 20. So with Dunn you’re getting Abreu’s patience plus a lot more power.

  133. Boston Dave February 11th, 2009 at 7:57 pm

    good for you Pete!

  134. Yankee Trader February 11th, 2009 at 7:57 pm

    Pete-

    If the Yankees save 4-5M trading Nady, and still want to stay under the 200M mark, like Boston Dave said, Cruz will probably be signed rather cheaply, because he’s a Type A to almost all teams still in need of a reliever, and he could be traded down the road, or if he remains a type A become a FA and we could conceivably get 2 draft picks.

    Plus again, if Rivera G-D forbid, gets injured are we relying on Marte, Bruney, Veras, or an unproven Melancon?

  135. Laura - Standing behind Alex! February 11th, 2009 at 7:58 pm

    “I would be but Dunn is much younger. Of course it’s not like we’re talking long term deals here so it’s a good question to ask. It all goes back to this…. “chicks (and GMs) dig the long ball” ”

    Dunn is younger, but to me, Bobby is the better all around player. I guess since I’ve been watching him every game for the last 2.5 years, I’m a bit biased. In my mind, Bobby does more than Dunn. Bobby can walk, hit, steal and yes field. Isn’t Dunn just a DH waiting to happen?

  136. Phil Parcells February 11th, 2009 at 7:58 pm

    Treadmill?

    Is that like a salad shooter?

  137. Bronx Jeers February 11th, 2009 at 7:59 pm

    Nick in SF,

    Just don’t disappoint us years from now regarding you know what.

  138. Phil Parcells February 11th, 2009 at 7:59 pm

    Peter, no treadmill PEDs.

  139. S.o.S. February 11th, 2009 at 7:59 pm

    Minor league comeback player for 09 will be Horne.

  140. Garym(Yanks and More) February 11th, 2009 at 7:59 pm

    Hey Pete, thanks for getting off the arod and steroids topic, im so psyched to have baseball talk, and thanks for your pics and baseball related news. I have also stopped writing about Arod for now. I can’t wait to tomorrow to hear Girardi and then to finally have AJ,CC get into town on friday, at least maybe we can get other things from them other then Arod although they will be asked about it.

  141. Laura - Standing behind Alex! February 11th, 2009 at 7:59 pm

    “Laura, I’m surprised he got twice Abreu’s salary, but I’m not shocked. Dunn hits 40 HR a year every year. Abreu is lucky to hit 20. So with Dunn you’re getting Abreu’s patience plus a lot more power.”

    I can see that argument. I think what goes unnoticed was how clutch Bobby was. The guy didn’t get 100 RBIs by mistake. I don’t know. I am very fond of Bobby and I’m disappointed that he didn’t get a bigger contract. That being said, I’m sure his bills will get paid with the 5mil LAA is giving him.

  142. Joe L from YO February 11th, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    The Yankees badly need position player prospects and they lack LH starters in their system beyond Jeremy Bleich and young dudes like Nik Turley and Manny Banuelos.

    I understand the need to speculate for the sake of conversation, and for internet blogging for that matter. But can we focus on this season first and foremost before we worry about our future position players? Having BOTH Nady and Swisher as options only strengthens and deepens our roster heading into this season. I was thrilled with how Nady has produced and “stepped up” since coming over. And I’ve always liked the way Swish has played the game, and he’s pretty good role player with (imo) some upside. I’d send Bobby a box of chocolates and a card..tell the Braves to take a hike, and focus on squashing this A-ROD noise so we can win some RINGS!

  143. MJR (Shut Up Steve Phillips) February 11th, 2009 at 8:03 pm

    “Sitting on Nady and Swisher is just fine.”

    +++

    Isn’t Swish supposed to be great for the clubhouse? I know that’s not worth $5M, but still…I would rather hold on to both guys UNLESS you get something substantially better in return.

  144. GreenBeret7 February 11th, 2009 at 8:03 pm

    Dunn may have more power than Abreu, but, Abreu still produces a few more runs. Abreu’s faster, but, Dunn’s younger.

  145. Yankee Trader February 11th, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    Laura-
    Signing Abreu was a steal for the Angels, as he can DH, is better than Dunn at working the count and putting the ball in play. If we had a DH spot open, he’d be worth that one year contract.

    Dunn at first over a better fielding Nick Johnson, is like Giambi. Is Dunn another of the famous “104″?

  146. disco stu February 11th, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    Peter – Wilkins De La Rosa in left handed and pitched most of Low A / High A as a starter.

    Don’t the Yankees project him going thru Tampa, Trenton, and SWB as a starter?

    From what I am hearing he has a very high upside after being converted from an outfielder throws very hard and has very good command … so right there is a lefty starter the Yankees have on the farm to groom … right?

    I agree you get have enough (lefty) pitching, but it’s not like they have nobody.

  147. Boston Dave February 11th, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    Of the teams that are even considering Juan Cruz, I wonder what they’d be willing to pay him?

    1yr/$1M ?

    I’m curious what his asking price is right now, considering he must see the writing on the wall in the current environment.

    If the Yanks could sign him now for that, they HAVE to do it. His value will almost certainly peak at the trade deadline and they can flip him for a solid prospect (or two).

  148. S.o.S. February 11th, 2009 at 8:08 pm

    “I concur. And I find that his comments here more than make up for his low average.”

    Your right about his low average. Heck we need someone to replace Nieves for the best lohud clubhouse guy award. You might not ever get any playing time but be sure to always be ready for the call. That would be you Nick.

  149. Yankee Trader February 11th, 2009 at 8:08 pm

    Peter is busy working out on the treadmill with his PEDs, oops I mean Pedometer! Don’t bother him now!!!!

  150. duh February 11th, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    “Is anyone else surprised that Dunn got more $$$ than Abreu did?”

    Is this a serious question?

    like the guy who said getting Swisher over Abreu was a bad move. what planet are you from?

  151. Doreen February 11th, 2009 at 8:12 pm

    Of the two, I’d have to say I’d want to keep Swisher if for no other reason than I haven’t got to see him play and I think it would stink to have gotten a guy in trade and he never plays the game for the Yankees. Silly? Yeah, I guess so.

    I have a question. Some of you guys talk about slugging percentages and other stats based on position. If the game is reverting back to a little less of a power game (if PEDs are on the decline), do those same stats apply going forward? In other words, how important is it for the CF to meet criteria that may have been set during an inflated time period?

  152. Boston Dave February 11th, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    Doreen,

    Very good question.

    Numbers are always relative.

  153. Boston Dave February 11th, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    Another Pete Abe mention on MLBTR

    his opinions really do matter! :)

  154. Tarheelyank February 11th, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    The fact that Swish is a very good back up 1b, as well as a good corner of makes him more valuable then Nady.

    Not having to use a roster spot on a back up 1b is huge. Although Miranda would be a nice LH bat off the bench,with playing time issues there is no versatility there.

  155. Doreen February 11th, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    Thanksl, Boston Dave – I thought so, too! :lol:

  156. Boston Dave February 11th, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    Tarheel,

    I hope Swisher doesn’t see much time, if any, at 1b or 3b!

  157. Jason from The Heartland February 11th, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    Pete, I agree with Nady going before Swisher because of Swisher’s versatility and patience and, while he’s not a high AVG guy, he’s due to bounce back from his wretched .219 last year. I also agree with not dealing them unless there is something compelling for the Yanks involved. How many years have we as fans and media discussed the need for a strong bench? There are ways to rotate those two with Matsui and Damon to get them all playing time, keep them fresh, and also play the hot bat when it shows itself–hopefully early and often.

    On trades, I say wait.

  158. MichiganYankee February 11th, 2009 at 8:17 pm

    “… and they lack LH starters in their system….”

    Don’t they have some guy named Sabathia?

  159. S.o.S. February 11th, 2009 at 8:17 pm

    When was the last time we got someone in the offseason and traded him before playing a single game for the Yanks?

    Doreen,
    Who knows. We might be getting into Gary Pettis territory. CF is more for speed and defense than power. I also see shortstop going back to less offensive expectations.

  160. SoCalYankeeFAn February 11th, 2009 at 8:19 pm

    If we deal with the Braves I would like to see the Yankees ask for LHP Cole Rohrbough and an outfielder.

    SoCalYankeeFan 8)

  161. Tarheelyank February 11th, 2009 at 8:19 pm

    “Minor league comeback player for 09 will be”
    Humberto Sanchez.

  162. jennifer February 11th, 2009 at 8:21 pm

    Kevin Millar signed with the Jays.

  163. duh February 11th, 2009 at 8:22 pm

    “When was the last time we got someone in the offseason and traded him before playing a single game for the Yanks?”

    Mike Lamb was going to be Aaron’s Boone’s replacement at 3B before they got A-Rod.

  164. thenextandykosco February 11th, 2009 at 8:23 pm

    Pete,

    I don’t mean to be argumentative regarding Michael Dunn. I had not heard that the Yankees planned to use him solely as a reliever, but perhaps I missed something, or perhaps it is still up in the air. As Anthony McCarron pointed out today, Dunn started 22 games in 2008 and relieved in 9 games (126.1 innings). In 2007, he started 27 games and relieved none (145 innings). In 2006, his first year of pitching, he relieved in 14 games and started none (31 innings). Perhaps the many starts in 2007 and 2008 were just ways of building up arm strength and to get experience on the mound for the former outfielder. The year to year pattern does seem to go contrary to modern theories for the gradual buildup of innings pitched from year to year for young starting pitchers. Perhaps the plan all along was to convert him back to a relief pitcher in the high minors. You can let us know when you see him in camp.

  165. Tarheelyank February 11th, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    Boston dave
    Thats my point. Whoever that is, wont see much time at 1b. But you do have to carry somebody to back up Tex. Better Swish who can play elsewhere the rest of the time.

  166. YankeeRay February 11th, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    Nady and Swishers value just went up today. With Griffey proabably headed to Seatttle the market is now ready for Manny.
    I don’t think the Dodgers are going to get him for cheap as some people have suggested on here.
    I think they need to go 2-3 years at 22-25 to get him.
    If not then we will still be in a position to look at him.
    We would have to move Nady for nothing and I still think that Matsui could be moved if we eat 5mm of his salary.
    Sorry for bringing this back up again but I guess if Favre can keep coming and going then so can my Manny desires.

  167. jeterboy February 11th, 2009 at 8:27 pm

    Gimme Tommy Hanson or no deal… We need these guys.. Damon will and Matsui will get hurt sometime this year.

  168. Glenn February 11th, 2009 at 8:27 pm

    SCHEDULE OF EVENTS

    Joe Girardi meets with reporters: Thursday.

    Pitchers and catchers report: Friday

    First workout: Feb. 14

    First full-squad workout: Feb. 18

  169. Doreen February 11th, 2009 at 8:29 pm

    S.O.S. -

    I don’t know if that’s necessarily a bad thing. Especially if it’s across-the-board throughout MLB.

  170. Joe from Long Island February 11th, 2009 at 8:30 pm

    I kind of like the idea of starting the season with both Swish and Nady. As has been pointed out, you don’t know what’s going to shake out in the OF, and if neither Brett nor Melky seized the opportunity, Damon might be playing more CF than you would like.

    Having said that, if you find that the OF is settled by mid-season, then you might get a better return of either Swish or Nady (personally, I’d rather keep Swish, but that’s just because he seems like a breath of fresh air).

  171. Clare February 11th, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    jennifer,

    Too bad about Millar – I would have really liked to see him leave the AL East. He’s one of those guys that plays at a completely different level against the Yankees than against the rest of the league.

  172. Doreen February 11th, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    Jennifer -

    Why couldn’t he sign in the NL??????

    I can’t stand that guy (when he plays against the Yankees).

  173. trisha - Want the truth? Read Canseco's book. February 11th, 2009 at 8:35 pm

    I thought I would mention I’m still in official mourning over the Yankees not bringing Bobby Abreu back.

    :(

    Damn!

    Just sayin’

  174. Carl February 11th, 2009 at 8:35 pm

    Man I love me some Tex. Classy guy.

  175. S.o.S. February 11th, 2009 at 8:35 pm

    Glen,
    You forgot to put
    Pete-40 minute treadmill runs. Wednsday

    Doreen,
    I wouldnt mind watching small ball back accross the board. As long as it is not killing us like when we play the Rays and Halos. It would be nice to finally return the favor and have us be the ones causing havoc on the bases and not waiting for the 5 run homers.

  176. Drive 4-5 February 11th, 2009 at 8:35 pm

    The fact that Swisher sees more pitches per at bat than just about evreyone in baseball can only help. I dont think his batting average is a problem as long as his on base percentage remains high.

    He wasnt happy in Chicago with the way Ozzie used him and his stats suffered. If a trade involving Nady can’t be found, I’m a bit concerned how Swisher would feel being a part time player. Barrring an injury to someone, it’s hard to see how Girardi can find 400 at bats for him. It’s a nice problem to have if Swisher and Nady can handle fewer at bats.

    The Yanks depth chart is looking good in the outfield, the bullpen and even starting pitching. The one place they could use some help is in the infield. Who else besides Angel Berroa and Cody Ransom are candidates for the utility spot? A big question is how many pitchers will the Yanks carry?

  177. Vito February 11th, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    Trade Nady to the Dodgers and sign Manny (ducks)

  178. Tarheelyank February 11th, 2009 at 8:37 pm

    What about prying Chone Figgins from the Angels.

  179. jennifer February 11th, 2009 at 8:38 pm

    I know I wish Kevin would have left the AL East, he always seemed to kill us. Well really moose, and he is no longer here.

  180. Drive 4-5 February 11th, 2009 at 8:39 pm

    How ’bout Nady to the Angels for Abreu?:)

  181. Vito February 11th, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    Swisher > Abreu

    Swisher OBP will be = or better then Abreu this year.

    Abreu is declining, Swisher is entering his prime

    Passion! Swisher has it, Nady and Abreu not so much – we need some guys with fire.

    Defense!!!

    Nady – did not hit so well in NY – look at his numbers here. 2008 was his first year as a full time player and tailed off – most damage done while in Pittsburgh. Swisher is better defensively and more versatile.

    That all said I hope Yanks hold on to Nady unless a good deal can be had. No reason to give him away with fragile Matsui around.

  182. GreenBeret7 February 11th, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    disco stu
    February 11th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
    Peter – Wilkins De La Rosa in left handed and pitched most of Low A / High A as a starter.

    Don’t the Yankees project him going thru Tampa, Trenton, and SWB as a starter?

    From what I am hearing he has a very high upside after being converted from an outfielder throws very hard and has very good command … so right there is a lefty starter the Yankees have on the farm to groom … right?

    I agree you get have enough (lefty) pitching, but it’s not like they have nobody.

    ————————————————————

    Wilkins only has a year and a half’s worth of experience as a PITCHER and only has a half a season as a starter. He was lights out as a setup guy for Jonathan Ortiz. They moved him into the rotation at mid-season and he was just as good. Near the end of the year, they sent him to Tampa, and, again, he was great. He should open in Tampa and move to Trenton by mid-season. Make no mistake, he’s special.

  183. Drive 4-5 February 11th, 2009 at 8:42 pm

    I agree that Abreu’s defense was bad. But he’s a far better hitter than either Swisher or Nady. Oh well, it’s water under the bridge now. I wish Bobby well. His effort was never in question and he loved being a Yankee.

  184. Phil February 11th, 2009 at 8:42 pm

    Tex would make a good captain. Meanwhile, Dunn switched to the pen last year and that’s when his velocity jumped. Wilkens De La Rosa made the reverse switch and surprised by keeping his good stuff as a starter, and showing the instinct to slow himself down when things were going the wrong way. They are both converted position players.

  185. Boston Dave February 11th, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    from ESPN Insider (Feb 9th):

    “Between employing David Ortiz at designated hitter and Mike Lowell and Kevin Youkilis at the infield corners, the Boston Red Sox have had a trio of reliable cornerstones in their lineup the past three years. Unfortunately for their pennant hopes in 2009, there is a very real danger that all of them will being delivering less at the plate, and to make a bad situation worse, the organization has only one possible patch available, a minor league first baseman who might not be ready until midseason, if then.

    …The problem is that was then, and this is now. Youkilis got a late start to his major league career and, at 29 years old last season, might have enjoyed a late peak season. That peak was abetted by a .347 batting average on balls in play (BABIP), a very high rate of success. Youkilis has had high BABIPs throughout his short career, but last year does represent a career high, so he should be expected to lose ground. As such, PECOTA foresees Youkilis returning to his late-model John Olerud ways, providing a weighted mean projection of .275/.366/.475.

    Add that up, and the Red Sox have three key players potentially going in reverse, all in the same season. Over the winter, general manager Theo Epstein did little to add quality depth to surmount this problem once his pursuit of Mark Teixeira came up short.”

  186. S.o.S. February 11th, 2009 at 8:45 pm

    “What about prying Chone Figgins from the Angels.”

    Everytime i mention that name Tarheelyank i get crickets. Im not going to let that happen to you. I concur. If we can get him to play center or utility, im all in.

  187. Vito February 11th, 2009 at 8:47 pm

    Drive,
    Don’t get me wrong I loved Bobby A but he is 35 next month and I would rather take a shot with Swisher at age 28 with a fresh start in NY after misery in Chicago. Swisher to me is Giambi like at the plate – see’s lots of pitches and has power but can walk and get high OBP despite .250 avg. I can see him giving an OBP of .375 with 25 HR and solid defense in LF/RF/1B. Bobby can still hit but his discipline is dropping (BB dropping fast) and he won’t get better at 35.

  188. Doreen February 11th, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    I have the feeling that Chone Figgins is one of the those guys that once you got him you wonder why you wanted him in the first place. Don’t know why, that’s just a feeling I get.

    Plus, I don’t think the Angels would want be in a position where they’d be helping the Yankees. Even though they’re not in the same division, they do have a chance to be playoff rivals.

  189. Tarheelyank February 11th, 2009 at 8:51 pm

    He fits in so many ways. Plus he cant kill us if he’s one of us. I know they have a lot of OF, but if they move Vlad to DH, Nady could move in to RF. Mathews can ride the bench. Boy what a signing Mathews was.

  190. Boston Dave February 11th, 2009 at 8:53 pm

    Abreu’s drop in walks might have had something to do with ARod batting behind him. Of course, that should have meant more pitches to hit and in turn, better #s in other categories.

    Abreu is a very good deal for 1yr/$5 IMO but despite his predicition that he’ll win the MVP this season, his best days are likely behind him.

  191. S.o.S. February 11th, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    Kevin Hench has an article on fox sports that penalizes all players that played from 93 to 2003 the steroid era. He says that if you remove 25% of the homerun production at that time Arod would only have 458 homers and bonds 641. Interesting read.

  192. ray (sox fan) February 11th, 2009 at 8:55 pm

    “Add that up, and the Red Sox have three key players potentially going in reverse, all in the same season.”

    Boston Dave, I will certainly grant you that the Sox have some big question marks as they enter this season.

    But I think a good argument could be made that the Yankees also have a number of players that have already seen their best days. Does anyone really expect Posada to have the type of year he had a year ago? I have never trashed Jeter, but I think at his age his skills at the plate and in the field will continue to slowly erode.

    Mo has been the best relief pitcher in the game certainly. But there is a lot of mileage on that arm and can he keep doing it?

  193. Tarheelyank February 11th, 2009 at 8:56 pm

    I forgot about Abreu signing with the Angels. Well forget Nady to them.

  194. Boston Dave February 11th, 2009 at 8:56 pm

    I must say I am a little surprised the Braves didn’t go after Abreu a little harder. He only wanted a 1 year deal… cmon Atlanta.

    Now they are going to have to give up prospects to get a player who is virtually the same as Abreu, if that.

  195. pat February 11th, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    Francona said today Lowell may not be ready for the atart of the season. Who’s their back up 1B/3B this year with Casey retired?

  196. S.o.S. February 11th, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    Who would play left field for them?

  197. Boston Dave February 11th, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    ray,

    of course there are questions on both sides. I think the Yankees would have been better suited to answer those questions positively but now ARod is a question mark as well.

    Still, I guess I was just surprised that someone on ESPN was calling it like it is with respect to the Sawx.

  198. Tom February 11th, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    Chone Figgins, eh?

    He’s a FA after next season, I think. If Damon does not come back, the yankees could use a leadoff hitter.

  199. Boston Dave February 11th, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    pat,

    I think it would have been Kotsay… now it’s Wilkerson :)

  200. Tarheelyank February 11th, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    S.o.S.
    They re-signed Juan Rivera

  201. Doreen February 11th, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    S.o.S. -

    That’s an interesting concept. Except it would also penalize the guys who did nothing. :(

  202. Tom February 11th, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    Kotsay, is still a Sox.

  203. Boston Dave February 11th, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    Tom,

    Kotsay is hurt and out for at least the first month. That’s why they signed Wilkerson.

  204. ray (sox fan) February 11th, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    Kotsay is still a Sox but he had some kind of surgery and won’t be ready for the start of the season.

  205. Tarheelyank February 11th, 2009 at 9:02 pm

    Heels Dook time.

  206. Boston Dave February 11th, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    The Sox would almost certainly shift Youk to 3rd or possibly Lowrie. If it’s Youk, you may see Wilkerson or Jeff Bailey/Chris Carter at 1st.

    It all depends on how long Lowell would be out (if he does miss the start of the season).

  207. S.o.S. February 11th, 2009 at 9:04 pm

    ray,
    I see what you mean. But we also should have an upgrade in the catcher spot,second base(unlucky)and first.

  208. pat February 11th, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    Thanks Dave. Sounds like Boston trainers are going to be working OT early this season.

  209. Boston Dave February 11th, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    ray,

    Kotsay had surgery on his back to remove a displaced disc fragment.

    I don’t know how serious it is but they are saying at least the first month of the season and a back injury to a 33 yr old is never good.

    Kotsay proved to be somewhat valuable last season. It’s not a huge loss but it does affect their bench (in a season when their bench could be called on more often than usual).

  210. Vito February 11th, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    Sox are almost certain to see Youk and Pedroia fall off a bit. The key for them is Ortiz – can he rebound from injury and overcome no Manny protection? My gut tells me Ortiz will decline quickly – he may even be on that 2003 list.

  211. Tom February 11th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    Thanks, Boston Dave and Ray. I must have missed Kotsay’s injury.

  212. Boston Dave February 11th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    pat,

    as was pointed out both the Yanks and Sox have question marks. I know this is a shocker but the season could very well depend tremendously on which team stays healthiest -

    Ortiz, Lowell

    vs

    Posada, Matsui

    who will win.. err.. stay healthiest

  213. Boston Dave February 11th, 2009 at 9:08 pm

    UNC v Duke is underway…

  214. ray (sox fan) February 11th, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    Hey SOS,

    I certainly didn’t mean to say that you guys don’t have a very strong team. It is with good reason that the Yankees are most favored right now to win the World Series this year.

    If your starting rotation stays healthy I think it will be downright dominating. It is just hard to predict with pitching.

    CC had an awesome second half of the season but I think he started out something like 0-7. On the Sox side, which Beckett shows up this year? The dominating one of a year ago or the inconsistent one of last year?

    It will be an interesting season!

  215. Tom February 11th, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    It’s funny how running backs, power hitters, and centers all go down hill real fast.

    Ortiz may have a Cecil Fielder like decline. Or, he may bounce back from injury and have a solid season.

  216. JoeyA February 11th, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    For as prophetic Cash was in not offering Abreu arb, you can’t like the fact that we effectively traded a one year/5M Abreu for a one year/5.3M Swisher with a ?

    JMO, but no team is going to want to send anything for Xavier Nady. Any type of trade couldn’t possibly include serious prospects, given Nady is gone after this year, a Boras client certain to test the markets.

    IF Cash truly saw this monumental downfall of RF/OF salaries, like with Abreu, we should have made ANY type of deal with Nady and resigned Abreu.

    Swisher + Abreu > Nady + Abreu

  217. pat February 11th, 2009 at 9:11 pm

    Braves have $7M total to try and sign a LF and Glavine. Offered Glavine $1M guaranteed with up to $3M in incentives. Glavine looking for more on the incentive side. The balance will be used on a LFer and Nady or Swish are being looked at.

    http://www.ajc.com/news/conten....._2009.html

  218. S.o.S. February 11th, 2009 at 9:11 pm

    Doreen,
    He was focusing on homerun hitters in the steroid era that are on the top of the leaders list. It would probably penalize Brady Anderson though.

  219. ray (sox fan) February 11th, 2009 at 9:11 pm

    Thank you Boston Dave.

    I was thinking it was some kind of back surgery with Kotsay.

    I was disappointed with his bat last year, but I felt he played a very strong first base in the playoffs when Youk had to play third.

  220. Boston Dave February 11th, 2009 at 9:15 pm

    JoeyA,

    Nady does have value. The fact that it’s a one year deal and a Boras client is actually a plus. The thought that he could be a type-A free agent is a bigger plus. And finally, Nady has proven to be dependable. Maybe he’s not a star but you can feel comfortable knowing what you’re going to get.

    In this market, knowing what you’re paying for has some extra value. Teams can’t afford to roll the dice.

    I don’t think the Yanks will rob somebody blind for Nady but don’t discount the value that he does have.

  221. GreenBeret7 February 11th, 2009 at 9:15 pm

    ray (sox fan)
    February 11th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
    “Add that up, and the Red Sox have three key players potentially going in reverse, all in the same season.”

    Boston Dave, I will certainly grant you that the Sox have some big question marks as they enter this season.

    But I think a good argument could be made that the Yankees also have a number of players that have already seen their best days. Does anyone really expect Posada to have the type of year he had a year ago? I have never trashed Jeter, but I think at his age his skills at the plate and in the field will continue to slowly erode.

    Mo has been the best relief pitcher in the game certainly. But there is a lot of mileage on that arm and can he keep doing it?

    ————————————————————

    Evening, Ray. How’s the (sox fan) family? Hope all is well. I’ll give Jeter another year before the numbers start edging down. Posada will most likely be around his career numbers or a tad under. Certainly no more career years. As far as Rivera and the mileage on his arm. I believe that you misread the odometer. Those numbers are in kilometers.

  222. jennifer February 11th, 2009 at 9:16 pm

    I love love love how people assume because a player signed with another team at a “bargain” salary, means they would have signed with the Yankees for that same salary. When has anyone ever seen a player take less to play for the Yankees? It is very rare.

  223. PAT M. February 11th, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    Nick in SF..Are you playing the Duke / NC game ??? I have no use for either team as I’m a UCLA fan, but it is great College BB…Taking the dog ( NC + 2 )…..Cashman should stick with what he has, unless some overwhelming deal comes down the pike….This Yankee team has a good look to it….

  224. S.o.S. February 11th, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    “It is with good reason that the Yankees are most favored right now to win the World Series this year.”

    ray,
    Again the bandwagon jumping application is here waiting for you to fill out. Cant beat em, join em, the evil empires welcomes you.
    Good points there ray. No offense but heres hoping Becket pitches like he did his first year rather than his second one with the sox.

  225. Betsy February 11th, 2009 at 9:18 pm

    I love Tex……..there, I said it. Weirdly, I had a dream last night that I encountered Michael Kay outside the stadium. We chatted a bit about Alex, and then I ran into Tex and also chatted with him (not just about Alex). It was a sweet dream and then….whammo, my stupid alarm.

    What a wonderful comment from Tex. I actually thought that Tex might be the one who most supports Alex……Clearly Tex is an outstanding player, but he’s also an outstanding person as well. I want to give him a hug for what he said.

    Keep Swish and Nady – I love depth. I would never trade either of these guys for minor leaguers or utility players, only for someone that could help our team now.

  226. Boston Dave February 11th, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    jennifer,

    good point – though, like Andy Pettite, it may have shown Abreu to be “all about the money” despite saying he liked NY and wanted to stay.

    At least Cashman and the FO aren’t caving in anymore. They are holding firm. You either want to be a Yankee or you don’t. We aren’t paying a premium… unless you are named CC Sabathia or AJ Burnett :)

  227. ray (sox fan) February 11th, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    Good evening GB. I am well, thank you.

    Which Yankee minor league team is it that you watch?

    I think I will try to make it to more of the Portland SeaDogs games, (the Sox AA) especially when they play against the Yankee farm teams.

  228. jennifer February 11th, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    Boston you forget Mark.

  229. pat February 11th, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    Fake Joba from NJ was sentenced today. He got a $2518 fine, 2 years probation and a trip to alcohol rehab.

  230. S.o.S. February 11th, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    “When has anyone ever seen a player take less to play for the Yankees?”

    Arod. Scratch that.
    Good point Jennifer.

  231. ray (sox fan) February 11th, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    ray,
    “Again the bandwagon jumping application is here waiting for you to fill out. Cant beat em, join em, the evil empires welcomes you.”

    SOS……you smart_ _ _! Just kidding ya.

    Tell me more about the bandwagong jumping application. Do you have to get letters of recommendation.

    Maybe you and GB would both write me one! :)

  232. m February 11th, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    I’d like to keep Swish & Nady. In case, you know, any one of other 6 OF go on the DL.

  233. Doreen February 11th, 2009 at 9:28 pm

    SoS=

    I just read the article. So he would only penalize the top 10 HR hitters in each league.

    What about pitchers? And what about guys who maybe didn’t hit hrs, but increased other stats?

    It’s a bit problematic, but at least it takes a stab at putting some kind of measure to the era.

    It was really interesting to find out exactly how much higher the HR avg was.

  234. S.o.S. February 11th, 2009 at 9:28 pm

    “I actually thought that Tex might be the one who most supports Alex……”

    Until he heard Alex in his interview miss pronounce his name(tex-siera). Betsy, you sure you didnt stay sleeping a little longer mingling with Tex?

  235. GreenBeret7 February 11th, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    ray (sox fan)
    February 11th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
    Good evening GB. I am well, thank you.

    Which Yankee minor league team is it that you watch?

    I think I will try to make it to more of the Portland SeaDogs games, (the Sox AA) especially when they play against the Yankee farm teams.

    ————————————————————

    Ray, I go to Tampa a few times a year and watch the Tampa Yanks, but, mostly, I go to the Charleston River ?Dogs games when they play here in Savannah, but, I also go to 50 or so in Charleston to see the games.

    Read something about getting you an application to Yankeeland. I’m not so sure I want to hang around a guy that would belong to any organization that would accept me. I’ll get it to you, though, but, don’t say that I didn’t warn you.

  236. Okay February 11th, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    I like Gorkys, but I do think that the organization should be looking for middle infield help

  237. pat February 11th, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    So Pete’s head doesn’t exploid, I posted in the previous thread an article about Selig commenting on a third baseman.

  238. Betsy February 11th, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    Did Alex say teXeira? I guess they’ll feud again now…..more *** for the media to stir up, lol.

    I did want to stay sleeping, but work beckoned. I think maybe I will try to revisit that dream tonight (the part with Tex, not Kay)……..!

  239. LTL February 11th, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    Oh, a baseball conversation. You guys are overlooking Cashman’s type of trade–when it seems obvious, it isn’t likely! He might trade some surplus pitching, because he can probably get better value in return. Nady and Swisher are staying.

  240. S.o.S. February 11th, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    “Maybe you and GB would both write me one!”

    ray,
    Ummm. I forgot to tell you that in fine print there is a part that absolutely says you need those Yankee references. What it doesnt state which is know is that we do have an initiation fee for backing you. Sorry, cant get around that. Ill let GB give you the dollar specifics.

    Good night fellas.

    Have a good nights sleep Betsy.

  241. Uncle Ellsworth February 11th, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    Thanks Pat.
    He’s lost his mind.

  242. AROD fan February 11th, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    re pat’s article:

    Can we suspend Selig?

  243. you gotta have faith (bronx zoo 2009) February 11th, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    pat,

    oh he sent a memo in 1997.
    hope it was a very stern memo.
    IDIOT.

  244. Uncle Ellsworth February 11th, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    I was reminded of this speech from Scent of a Woman
    (maybe not totally on point but…..)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKAxnB6Ap4o

  245. Vito February 11th, 2009 at 10:01 pm

    how bout Durham or Grudzlonwhatever for IF help?

  246. Chattanooga February 11th, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    If the Yankees were to make the trade, some permutation of Nady for SS Brandon Hicks makes the most sense. Braves are pretty set at SS for the foreseeable future with Escobar, and the Yankees will be facing the “what to do with Jeter?” question about the time Hicks looks to be ready for the majors (assuming he continues to progress).

    Would be nice for the Yankees to have an internal option to consider at SS rather than a high $$$ FA if Jeter is to be moved …

  247. DT February 11th, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    I feel bad for Swisher a bit.

    Each Yankee player interview I hear mentions how happy they are for the Yanks picking up CC, Burnett and Tex.

    Swish must be thinking, hey what about me?

  248. GreenBeret7 February 11th, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    Grudzielanek and Durham are both close to 40 years old and neither can play shortstop and aren’t quick enough for 3rd base.

  249. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 11th, 2009 at 10:18 pm

    Hey, have fun on the treadmill, Pete. I just did my 45 mins – and hated every minute of it :( . Thank God for music and dvd players. Good for you.

    I’ve been randomly wondering since they acquired Swisher – why that made Nady expendable. I can see how they could work both in give them enough playing time, and it gives them a little bit of depth and options for match-ups. Its already been said that Damon is more effective at this point in his career when he doesn’t play every day, and although I’m sure Matsui will be fine, he has just come off knee surgery so having a viable person who can spot him days off can only help the team.

    Besides if I’ve learnt anything from last year, its that unexpected freakish injuries do happen, when you least expect them, and sometimes in multiples. I know its probably considered “extravagant” for the Yankees to have players earning 5+ million each and not be playing every single day, but its the Yankees. I’d rather they overspend a little and feel like they have a little more depth in their options, than see them have to make trades or additional signings to patch the injury holes, like last year.

    Rambling, I know. But just my .2c.

  250. Nick in SF February 11th, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    PAT M.: I have a little middle on Duke/UNC, UNC +6.5 and Duke +13.5 but I was watching Lost for the last hour. I just turned on the hoops game and it’s really pretty annoying to listen to. I know it’s a big rivalry, but all the shouting by Patrick and Vitale like every play is EPOCH when a lot of it is pretty ordinary. Blah, I’m going out to dinner.

  251. m February 11th, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    I’m not thrilled that outsiders are coming in here and trying to bum us out about our old rickety team. I’m pretty sure we got younger and more athletic.

    Let’s see how we stack up in the standings? Those are the only numbers that count.

  252. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 11th, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    “Or take two Ambiens with a vodka chaser.”

    Haha! Taking two Ambiens would be like:- “See you when you wake up on Friday!”

    But kidding aside (just in case someone ponders if it might be a good idea) don’t actually do this. Just for reasons that you can’t drink alcohol at all when taking Ambien.

    /end community service announcement moment.

  253. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 11th, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    :( I keep getting filtered and I’m not sure why.

    I didn’t swear and I wasn’t talking about anything forbidden at all.

  254. Tex's New Best Friend February 11th, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    I think Swish is going to have a good year, even if he is the back-up to Nady in RF. Outfielders are always on the market so i dont think getting another OF prospect is necessary right now. RIght now, we need depth, as Matsui and Damon may need to rest and there is no guarantee in CF.

  255. Bo knows February 11th, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    What I would really like to see is trade for a quality IF backup. Somewhere in the 3 to 4 mil category, under 35 There should be some available, especially this year. For a team with a 200 mil payroll this should be a no brainer. Doing a 2008 redux would be painful and what they have on the boards now would serve Randy I as ammo. At best lack of attention to details.

  256. GreenBeret7 February 11th, 2009 at 10:41 pm

    Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
    February 11th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
    I keep getting filtered and I’m not sure why.

    I didn’t swear and I wasn’t talking about anything forbidden at all.

    ————————————————————

    There are new filters on here that specifically disallow those that pretend to be Angels, who really aren’t. Perhaps you can fool the filters by typing ing “Little Devil” in the name block.

  257. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 11th, 2009 at 10:46 pm

    LOL – You are such a prat!!! And I mean that in the nicest possible way.

    I’d just written my thoughts on Nady/Swisher aka How Do You Solve A Problem Like The Yankee Outfield?

    It wasn’t quite dave-length (sorry Dave! :) ), but it was a little longer than my normal posts. Maybe that’s why. Annoying, though.

  258. dino February 11th, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    keep both of them, to maintain quality depth for the season…..nady will most likely be a type A free agent, and therefore the yanks will get a 1st round pick when someone else signs him. id rather they get an additional first round pick in 2010 by keeping him….odds are damon or matsui will prolly get hurt at some point….yanks have been lacking quality depth and having both swisher and nady would fix that problem…

  259. Bo knows February 11th, 2009 at 11:01 pm

    I don’t understand how Matsui is getting hurt this year. His name isn’t Wang and he got his knee scoped not an amputation. Damon had his best year in a long time as Girardi rested him from time to time. No one mentions this but the furor when he was rested in Minny on this board was hot enough to fuel (insert hot here).

  260. GreenBeret7 February 11th, 2009 at 11:02 pm

    Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
    February 11th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
    LOL – You are such a prat!!! And I mean that in the nicest possible way.

    I’d just written my thoughts on Nady/Swisher aka How Do You Solve A Problem Like The Yankee Outfield?

    It wasn’t quite dave-length (sorry Dave! :) ), but it was a little longer than my normal posts. Maybe that’s why. Annoying, though.

    ————————————————————

    LMAO. I was bored because Randy I and Ray (sox fa) wasn’t around to pick on, and, you seemed like a handy target. I hate when everybody is nice.

  261. daneptizl February 11th, 2009 at 11:03 pm

    I’d do it.

  262. Nick in SF February 11th, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    “There are new filters on here that specifically disallow those that pretend to be Angels, who really aren’t.”

    So Bobby Abreu can finally post here?

  263. GreenBeret7 February 11th, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    Perhaps my time would be better spent, practicing my typing skills.

    ————————————————————

    NAHHHH!!

  264. GreenBeret7 February 11th, 2009 at 11:09 pm

    Nick in SF
    February 11th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
    “There are new filters on here that specifically disallow those that pretend to be Angels, who really aren’t.”

    So Bobby Abreu can finally post here?

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    Only if he promises to hit into 4 DPs a game against the Yanks and hit 4 homers a game against the Red Sox, Baltimore, Toronto and Tampa. Perhaps he can talk Guerrero and Juan Rivera to do that, too.

  265. TheChuckKnoblog February 11th, 2009 at 11:09 pm

    those are not bad ideas, Pete

    let’s see if it happens though

    I wound not be surprised if the Yankees are done for the offseason

  266. Tarheelyank February 11th, 2009 at 11:18 pm

    TAR HEELS!!!!

    Ok that was enjoyable.

  267. Keith from the Bronx February 11th, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    Nady over Swisher

  268. ShamWow February 11th, 2009 at 11:30 pm

    There is no “Tex” in Teixira.

    http://blogs.ocweekly.com/nave.....-teixeira/
    That being said there are a lot of Portuguese people here on the Cape and I have herd them pronounce it both ways.

  269. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 11th, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    LOL. Hey, I’m third in line on the “needs to be picked on when things get too nice” list.

    It might be a sad reflection on me that I feel quite flattered about that, considering the company I’m in. Heh.

  270. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 11th, 2009 at 11:38 pm

    Hey, speaking of Shamwow, that reminds me I’ve got a bone to pick with you…

    The infomericial guy said you can’t be gotten in stores and I saw them in Target this afternoon.

    Honestly, if you can’t trust a guy hawking german-made lifestyle cleaning aids on TV, who can you trust?

  271. ShamWow February 11th, 2009 at 11:40 pm

    “They will only be there for the next 20 minutes,we can’t do this all day.”

  272. Betsy February 11th, 2009 at 11:43 pm

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02.....f=baseball

    Brian’s pretty honest here…..

  273. Betsy February 11th, 2009 at 11:44 pm

    That said, I’d rather listen to Girardi’s optimism – Brian’s a downer, lol

  274. GreenBeret7 February 11th, 2009 at 11:55 pm

    Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
    February 11th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
    Hey, speaking of Shamwow, that reminds me I’ve got a bone to pick with you…

    The infomericial guy said you can’t be gotten in stores and I saw them in Target this afternoon.

    Honestly, if you can’t trust a guy hawking german-made lifestyle cleaning aids on TV, who can you trust?

    ————————————————————

    It could be worse. Instead of Vince acting stupid, it could be Billy Mays screaming at you to buy everything else. I’ve gone through 6 TVs and 3 pairs of shoes this week alone.

    Does he remind you of Al Borland on “Home Improvement”?

  275. GreenBeret7 February 11th, 2009 at 11:58 pm

    Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
    February 11th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
    LOL. Hey, I’m third in line on the “needs to be picked on when things get too nice” list.

    It might be a sad reflection on me that I feel quite flattered about that, considering the company I’m in. Heh.

    ————————————————————

    OK…so you’re saying that you want to be moved to the front of the line?

  276. Brian February 11th, 2009 at 11:59 pm

    Lets get Hanson!

    Yeah right, like the Braves are trading him. Future Ace. Watch out Mets, it looks like 3rd place for you this year.

  277. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 12th, 2009 at 12:12 am

    OK…so you’re saying that you want to be moved to the front of the line?

    **********************************************************

    Noooo, not at all. RandyI throw a zinger back at you much better than I can. And I think Ray would really miss it if he wasn’t teased mercilessly on here by us, haha.

    Just meant that I was happy to be in such good company with the two ahead of me.

  278. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 12th, 2009 at 12:14 am

    “They will only be there for the next 20 minutes,we can’t do this all day.”

    ******************************************************

    Someone better tell Target that then. There is even a picture of him on the box. I guess the camera guy really followed him.

  279. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 12th, 2009 at 12:17 am

    It could be worse. Instead of Vince acting stupid, it could be Billy Mays screaming at you to buy everything else. I’ve gone through 6 TVs and 3 pairs of shoes this week alone.

    Does he remind you of Al Borland on “Home Improvement”?

    ********************************************************

    The guys on the radio show my husband listens to call him Billy Amazin. Boy, does that guy have an arsenal of infomercial crap to hawk or what?

    Yeah, he does look like Al Borland. Thank God he hasn’t progressed to hosting gameshows like Al Borland has.

    Imagine Billy Mays as a game show host.. ack.

  280. vinnie February 12th, 2009 at 12:17 am

    whos a better prospect austin jackson or gorkys hernandez?

  281. Lloyd February 12th, 2009 at 12:19 am

    Let’s stop talking about A-Rod, steroids, and who the Yankees should trade, and get spring training started, I’m ready for the season to start.

  282. Melfman1 February 12th, 2009 at 12:29 am

    If the Yanks make a move and trade either Swish or Nady, which I personally hope they don’t, it should be for a player capable of leading off next season. Damon is gone after this year, and with his defensive problems I have a hard time believing he will be re-signed. That leaves a huge leadoff hole in the lineup next year, unless Gardner has a breakout season in CF in 2009. If they give up a solid player like Swish or Nady, they should fill a big hole coming in the not so distant future.

  283. GreenBeret7 February 12th, 2009 at 12:44 am

    Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
    February 12th, 2009 at 12:12 am
    OK…so you’re saying that you want to be moved to the front of the line?

    **********************************************************

    Noooo, not at all. RandyI throw a zinger back at you much better than I can. And I think Ray would really miss it if he wasn’t teased mercilessly on here by us, haha.

    Just meant that I was happy to be in such good company with the two ahead of me.

    ————————————————————

    Good. It’s best to tease those that give it back. Very few people (I don’t consider trolls as people…of course, ragging the idiots has a soothing affect on me). You’re a good target…just get a knife out and sharpen your tongue…or, in this case, your fingers.

  284. sam February 12th, 2009 at 12:49 am

    I look at Nady as the 3rd best hitter in the lineup, and would not be surprised about .300/25/100 for him in 2009. A bargain at 6.5M, considering. With Austin Jackson and Brett Gardner, the need for outfield prospects is not glaring enough to play fantasy baseball with your only outfielder who’s not a complete give up in either the field or the batter’s box. With Damon and Cabrera you’ve got one-sided players. The team as is looks like a winner to me. Swish is gonna be a great power bench bat and 4th outfielder. Leave it alone. Please.

  285. TradeNade February 12th, 2009 at 1:58 am

    This trade idea would make more sense if Adam Dunn was still available. Dunn would have caused the same outfield/DH clog as Nady does, but at least Dunn could switch over to DH in 2010, which is where he is best suited and way superior to Matsuis and Nadys and Swishers and Damons. But now that he is off the table, I agree that it is best to keep Nady and Swisher. Hopefully, the Yanks will start having some better drafts and maybe use some minor league arms or major league relievers to trade for some position player prospects.

  286. TradeNade February 12th, 2009 at 2:01 am

    “I look at Nady as the 3rd best hitter in the lineup, and would not be surprised about .300/25/100 for him in 2009.”

    No way dude. Tex, ARod, Matsui, Posada, Jeter, and Damon are all better than Nady. Swisher probably is as well. Cano might also be better. So, Nady is more like, at best the 7th best hitter in the lineup but probably more like the 8th or 9th best hitter. Nady is the guy that should be whenever Gardner or Melky are going to start at CF.

  287. TradeNade February 12th, 2009 at 2:03 am

    *should be benched whenever Gardner or Melky are going to start at CF.

  288. bigmike February 12th, 2009 at 9:47 am

    Why trade either of them? Matsui can’t play anymore, Cabrera got an arbitration raise! Hows that work? Gardner cant hit a ball as far as Damon can throw one. We need Swisher and Nady, cheap options. Isn’t Jackson coming in 2010?

  289. ACF NY09 February 12th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    Keep them both Cashman unless the brave drop your jaw over a deal. The yankees need this depth and if they can all stay healthy Girardi could easily do something like this to keep everyone fresh.
    LF CF RF DH 1B Playing Time
    Damon 70% 20% / 90%
    Gardner/Cab 70% / 70%
    Nady 65% 20% / 85%
    Swicher 10% 10% 35% 20% 5% / 80%
    Matsui 20% 60% / 80%

    Keep em both Cash!

  290. ACF NY09 February 12th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    Damon LF 70% CF 20% / PT 90%
    Gardner/Cab CF 70% / PT 70%
    Nady RF 65% DH 20% / PT 85%
    Swicher LF 10% CF 10% RF 35% DH 20% 1B 5% / PT 80%
    Matsui LF 20% DH 60% / PT 80%


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