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Yankees officials said today that Alex Rodriguez is expected in camp on Tuesday, although he could check in earlier and start working out because he is on a WBC roster.
Rodriguez realizes, I was told, that he will need to address the media again. I’m sure there will be many questions about what he did in Texas given all the holes in the story he told Peter Gammons.
But at this point, who really cares? Rodriguez cheated and he lied about it for years. To what degree he cheated and lied doesn’t really make a difference. Rodriguez even made up a series of wild tales about Selena Roberts trying to break into his house. You can’t really believe anything he says, so asking him questions won’t prove anything. A freshman journalism student could catch him in a lie at this point.
Come in, say what you have to say and move along. Andy Pettitte did it the right way last season.
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It’s hard to feel sorry for anybody who will make $5 million. But Bobby Abreu can’t be a happy camper with his one-year deal with the Angels. How did the Mets pass on him for that kind of money?
Meanwhile, capable reliever Juan Cruz can’t get a deal because no teams wants to forfeit a first-round pick for him. Might he be better off waiting to after the draft and signing with a team then? Just an idea.
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Bobby says he’ll just win the MVP and get his $$ next year.
Pete,
Re: Cruz, I think that’s a good idea. He could be a fresh arm for a contender and its probably the best way he can make some decent money.
The draft pick kills him right now.
If I was representing him, that would be my strategy.
I agree with Rodriguez, Selena Roberts is a crazy,stalking, unethical,journalist.
Pete,
I don’t know all the details but doesn’t it seem like the truth between Alex’s “stalker” story and Selena’s “I did nothing” story falls somewhere in between?
It seems like she is lying just as much as Alex is in this particular ‘argument’.
If I were GM…
sign Cruz, give up the 4th rd pick
then trade him to a team that really wants him but didnt want to lose their 1st
“But at this point, who really cares?”
Then cancel the press conference and let’s play ball!
I seem to remember some wild tales in Pettite’s conf too
You can’t really believe anything Selena Roberts says after the Duke lacrosse fiasco.
A-Rod and Robert’s credibility are probably on par with each other, they have both mislead the public.
“I don’t know all the details but doesn’t it seem like the truth between Alex’s “stalker” story and Selena’s “I did nothing” story falls somewhere in between?
It seems like she is lying just as much as Alex is in this particular ‘argument.”
There has got to be at least a small bit of truth to what Alex is saying, otherwise, he should be committed to a mental institution. He clearly believes what he is saying; it’s hard to believe that he made that stuff up. Also, wouldn’t he know that people would try to check the facts of what he was saying? He’s already been exposed about lying about steroids. Why make up more lies about Roberts?
The whole thing just needs to go away. But alas, I don’t think it every will.
the police shot down arod’s story about roberts.arod did the right thing by admitting he used steroids & then he screws up again by making up stories about roberts.not a good move at all.
bru,
It’s been posted on here that Roberts was escorted by campus police? from the UM Sports Complex.
Alex may have used a little hyperbole but I don’t know that he was flat out lying.
Did you guys see the Daily News story? As I also reported on the blog the other day, police in NY and Florida completely refuted his story.
She was never escorted out, never stepped foot on his property and was never cited. In fact, she called the police to find out what was legal. There were no reports, no incidents, no nothing. It was a total fabrication.
Police spokesmen in every jurisdiction Alex mentioned complete refuted what he said. There was no gray area. Even the University of Miami cops backed her.
So, to sum up, we have a cheater and liar vs a “respected” reporter who plays loosely with facts in order to make her story. And 103 players waiting to see who’s next while the players who did not cheat get smeared with the slime of perceived guilt.
And pitchers and catchers haven’t even reported yet.
How could the Mets pass on Abreu? How could the Mets pass on Manny? I could see passing on Abreu but I don’t understand their lack of interest in Manny.
Who invited A Fraud to camp anyway?
One’s a cheat and the others protecting the names of four felons.
Alex just need to go out infront of the local media and read a statement answer a few questions and move on.
I agree with Rodriguez, Selena Roberts is a crazy,stalking, unethical,journalist
Didn’t ESPN actually confirm she had an incident with police in front of A-Rod’s community?
I thought the “rent-a-cops” provided written proof of some of this…
And really – the drama starts with inflammatory posts
Pete
Give it up and let people believe what they want.
Pete
Can we have a truce? The Arod rants are old. I would bet a majority of your readers are sick of it.
How about if there was a Patriot blog you liked. The Blog master (a football fan) Is not a fan of the Patriots. So he then subjects you to bellicheat, and spygate and why ask him any questions because he cheats, and on and on and on.
Arod did steroids, thats a fact. It’s a story you dont like covering, and we don’t like hearing about either. Get over your animosity towards Arod, It’s not healthy for you or us.
PS did I say what agreat job you do!
So, Pete, you’re defending the honor of a woman who played a part in violating Alex’s constitutional rights to privacy?
Rishi
Written proof she wanted access to his complex not his house. Where the story goes from there, everyone has there own story.
if this admitted steroid use came out before he resigned with the Yanks. do you this the steinbrenners still sign him?
Pete I do agree you do a great job reporting, and i do also remember you are a Pats fan no? You dont seem so hard on them for their cheating issues.
im not gonna cry for a guy who makes $5M/yr, noe matter what. especially not for a guy who’s made $94M thus far in his career.
i like bobby and wish him good luck against everybody else.
Pete,
SJ44 posted the other day that he knew of Selena being escorted out from UMiami on at least one occasion.
ARod finds every available opportunity to insert his foot in his mouth. As soon as I heard him go on about “this lady, Selena Roberts,” I started shaking my head. He just doesn’t know when enough is enough.
I don’t doubt, and I’ve said before, that he feels as if he’s being stalked. I believe her behavior may border on stalking (that “fine line”). But I just had a feeling that out of anger, frustration, whatever, he was exaggerating just enough to lose his credibility. And he could not afford to do that.
SJ44 has said that ARod has said more than anyone else ever has; in this case, though, he said more than was necessary. Sigh. The saga continues…
I thought they found a citation from the guard booth near his home?
Come on the truth lies somewhere in the middle, I don’t think it was to the extreme that Alex said, but Roberts does hold some blame in the matter. He probably felt like he was stalked by her. She’s talking to his friends, etc, he probably felt she was everywhere he turned.
ARod = guilty as charged
Selena Roberts = guilty as charged
Just because ARod was wrong doesn’t make Selena right.
They both have done wrong and neither deserve defending.
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo....._of_t.html
police have no record of anything.
a security guard called the police to ask if it was public or private property.the police said it was public property & she was allowed to be there.also no report about her trying to break into his house.
where do u guys not get that he lied when he accused her of breaking in to his house? despite saying he ‘had the papers’ he has offerend no proof and has been backed up by the authorities alex cited.
continuing to scream about roberts makes all of you look really dumb imo.
he admitted what she reported. period.
We were doing so well moving away from Selena for a while there. Thanks Pete!
The problem Alex has is he wants so much to impress everyone that he never knows when to stop talking. He was a great player before the roids. He had to be a little better.
He apologized, and more than anyone we have ever heard talk about it. (sans Canseco).
Was his explanation perfect, No. But it was a confession so why cant that just be that.
Alex is ours for 9 more years. As a Yankee fan or Yankee reporter, you should want the yankees to succeed, which means supporting A-Rod.
sorry he’s been refuted by the authorities he cited.
Selena Roberts is a crazy hack.
Duke. Never forget.
We were talking basball, and now we are back to this. I will check back later.
believe what you wan’t.what selena roberts does,following arod is wrong but arod keeps putting his foot in his mouth.
he exagerated what happened.read the story & comments by the police.
Anyways, what is going on at ST?
Posada is still looking good i hope.
He is definitely the glue on this team.
This is certifiably insane, Peter. Come on! Andy Pettitte did it the right way? You mean, I only did it once. Oh, wait, twice. Oh, wait.
Anyone who believes Andy over Alex or thinks he’s more credible is really drinking the religious cover Kool-Aid.
You’ve lost credibility as a reporter. Your personal bias shows through on a regular basis. You know as well as most that most major leaguers enhance or stimulate, or have in the past. As a baseball writer, you’re part of a fraternity that’s worked to sensationalize the story at the expense of individuals while exculpating the real villains–Fehr, Selig, Orza, etc. And you guys turned a blind eye when convenient.
The A-Rod hate fest is inconsistent with all factual details of this story. At some point, you’ve got to be ashamed of yourself for stooping to tabloid level and just give it a rest.
As I always say, I’m neither an A-Rod supporter nor a particular fan. I just object to terrible journalism.
Is anyone else especially stoked that we signed Teix with all this A-Rod hoorah going on?
What if…WHAT IF A-Rod just folded under the scrutiny and pressure and hit 270 with 20 bombs and 80 RBI and we DIDN’T have Teix? Unfathomable, I know, but still. What if?
Except that Selena Roberts DID say on MLB TV the other night that there was some kind of police report but that it was the “routine” stuff that happens whenever police get called. So there is indeed a report, regardless of what it says.
On the FAN she told Kim Jones that when she tried to go to Arod’s house and was stopped at the gatehouse, when they asked if Arod was expecting her she said he wasn’t. They then told her she couldn’t go in but she started to argue with them that the public had a right to go on streets that were public. She said that the female then said she would call the police and ask about it and Roberts said she told her she would like her to do so.
How about this? Roberts, when asked if Arod was expecting her said no. They told her she couldn’t go in and she fought it. Here is a question. Should public figures expect reporters to show up at their homes uninvited and should they be expected to answer questions on their private property? When they are at home, are they no longer “public figures?” for the sake of public consumption? Pure reason would say “yes”. The paparazzi get busted in the mouth for going on private property. But Roberts is special and should be afforded different privileges?
I’m thinking not.
And no, not everything Arod said has been successfully refuted by Roberts. As I pointed out the other night when she was on MLBTV, she acknowledged being everywhere Arod said she was; she just had a different spin on the details.
My dad always told us there are three sides to every story: mine, yours, and the truth. As someone pointed out previously, the truth likely lies somewhere in the middle here. Alex is no choir boy. Roberts is no angel.
Journalism 101 states a journalist must always jump to the defence of another journalist under attack.SI’s Roberts and Verducci are the latest examples.I don’t remember anyone ever calling out Lupica no matter how off the wall he is.Well,actually Dick Young went after him but that was in a whole different era.
Pete wanted to go grab some lunch so he threw the A-Rod/Selena nugget out so we could beat each other up for a few hours. Like moths to the flame.
Baseball folks. Baseball.
ST is upon us. Forget the rest of the stuff.
Nobody is changing anybody’s mind at this point.
Let’s talk baseball.
Will Jeter’s SLG bounce back toward his career average this year, or is the falloff in his SLG last year a sign of things to come?
PECOTA is projecting a continued fall in his SLG.
Predictions?
Alex
.305 47HR 129RBI
where did pete say he believed andy more than alex?
what he said was alex should have handled this the way andy did. can you not see the difference?
And my bold prediction that AJ Burnett starts 30 games this season!
pat -
John:
I meant that Pettitte did the press conference the right way. He sat there, answered every question and was done with it. It rarely came up again because he answered every question.
Calm down, Francis.
Meanwhile, you can all believe what you want to believe. But the cops in NY, Miami, Miami Beach and University of Miami all said she was never cited, never escorted out, no nothing. These were direct quotes from police officers.
Why did my comment get deleted. Pete! Take a vote, see how many people actually care about A-Rod taking steroids. It’s old now. We just want to talk about baseball. My only concern with A-Rod is this year. I just want him to have a monster season. We’re not little girls looking at gossip magazines. Selena Roberts thinks fans care about a baseball player’s personal life. We DON’T! Get that straight. I will never read another Selena Roberts column because she doesn’t get that.
I am happy Phil Hughes went back to 65.
I think 65 Phil was much better than 34 Phil.
Arod is a liar and a dirty cheater yet you write gushing posts of how great of a person the “Big G” is and how he’s such a great mentor to the kids. You then go ahead and post his homerun totals while playing in arlington vs seattle and new york as if your readers are stupid enough to not understand the differences between the two. If you don’t like the guy just come out and say it Pete there’s no need for the continual subversive smears against the guy.
FWIW, she wasn’t escorted out by the UM police when she showed up at the Hecht Center. She was asked to leave by the people in the weight room and they escorted her out.
She left without incident.
She wanted a gotcha moment and got one. That’s life.
Let’s talk baseball.
SJ44,
If Pete wants to turn the topic to baseball, he should stop writing posts like this.
If he writes “ARod is a dirty liar” he will provoke a response, even if everything he says is true.
It’s all a question of what he wants this blog to be about.
So Pete, will you be the one asking a-rod why he made up ‘a series of wild tales about Selena Roberts trying to break into his house’? If not, who do you suppose will have the cojones to directly ask him about his obviously misleading comment?
You’re right Pete, she probably got ALL of the info for her book from library research. Probably never ever stepped foot near Alex’s homes or Miami.
345 avg 48 HR 141 RBI
Triple Crown year. You heard it here first.
Pete,
I have been enjoying your blog for some time, and I am not an Arod fan. In fact, when he opted out last year, I was really excited to be done with him. However, I am rapidly losing interest in this blog with these type of posts. Enough is enough.
Unfortunately I have the New York Daily News on my list of not credible newspapers ever since they decided to show a gallery of photos of “Yankee juicers” but failed to note that a lot of those players were accused of “juicing” when they were with other teams. To show them all in Yankee uniforms was not only misleading, it was an outright blatant lie in terms of their alleged juicing days.
They have reduced themselves to just another shlock publication trying to make a buck.
asked to leave by the people “who run” the weight room.
Sorry for the typo.
“She was trying to gain access onto the island, and they had no right to stop her,” Sanchez said. “It’s a public right of way. She can stand in front of his house and do whatever she has to do as long as she doesn’t step on his property. There’s no follow-up. She was not arrested. She was not cited. It doesn’t go on her record. It’s not even entered into our system.”
she is allowed to stand in front of his house.
Sanchez said Miami Beach police did file a “miscellaneous incident report” after police were called to answer a security guard’s question about whether the island where Rodriguez lives is public or private property.
she did nothing wrong at all.she knew her rights 100 percent & probably did her homework on the subject.
Just because she has not been cited does not mean she has not been doing it.
There’s as much fact in Rodriguez’ statement about here as there was about when she said “I didn’t go anywhere near his house.” Actually, that was a lie also, since she admitted that shedid drive past his house to check if his car was there. Now, that means she was near his house. Sounds like a lie to me. How does she know what kind of car he drives unless she’s been stalking him?
From the SI.
In an interview posted on Sports Illustrated’s Web site, Roberts said A-Rod’s claims that she tried to break into his house were ridiculous. “I never rang his doorbell,” Roberts said. “I never stepped on his driveway. I was never anywhere near his house.”
Yeah…that’s exactly what I would do. Fly from NY to Miami, Florida, check to see if his car was there, and leave.
I have a very hard time backing Selena Roberts, even if Alex exagerrated his involvement with her, after hearing her interviews yesterday. She, at one point, very coyly mentioned to Michael Kay yesterday that she may have spotted Madonna at A-Rod’s NYC apartment once. Perhaps she’s now looking to leave that supposed cush job at SI for an even cushier one at TMZ.
Spring training is among us. Let’s play some Yankee baseball.
AROD will hit 60 homeruns
“She was trying to gain access onto the island, and they had no right to stop her,” Sanchez said. “It’s a public right of way. She can stand in front of his house and do whatever she has to do as long as she doesn’t step on his property. There’s no follow-up. She was not arrested. She was not cited. It doesn’t go on her record. It’s not even entered into our system.”
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All of this can definitely be considered stalking to the person being followed. If a reporter was following me around like this, i would say she is stalking me too.
Selena tried to get entrance to his house, unannounced. While he wasn’t home, but his young daughters were. The police did come. We don’t know who told him what about that incident. Then she shows up where he is working out, which is basically the work day for athletes.
How about Selena trying to contact him through his agent or the Yankees, and trying to get his side through normal channels rather than practicing ambush journalism. I neve cared for it when 60 Minutes did it, and I don’t care for it here.
Add on the insipid columns she’s written for the NY Times attacking him, and I can see where Alex’s antipathy and taking a more dim view of her actions than the facts warrant, comes from.
I will not defend A-Rod’s PED use, nor do I think he’s telling all the truth here. But Selena’s actions are not pure here either. I’ve seen elsewhere where other journalists have called her “respected”, which just further lowers my opinion of journalism in general.
The most honest person in this whole steroid issue seems to be Jose Canseco, sad to say. At this point I have to believe him when he pegged the number of steroid users at 50% (IIRC).
So, call me crazy, but I tink David Robertson makes the team out of ST.
I thought this was supposed to a Yankees Blog and not a dump on A-Rod blog Pete. Why don’t you quit bashing the guy. He is not the scum of the universe for trying to cover up some mistakes he made. And when got caught he came forward. Please stop being a complete jerk about a Yankee player who we NEED to be part of a World Championship team at this point. Just support your player.
Jeremy,
Pete provides the forum for us to talk about the Yankees, baseball, etc.
WE can decide to turn the conversation to baseball talk.
Speaking only for myself, and I’m a friend of the guy, I’m sick of talking about it.
There are no heroes in this story. None.
Arod, Selena, MLB, the Union, the government, Selig, nobody comes out of this story looking “good”.
At this point, what’s done is done. I’d rather talk about baseball and the upcoming season.
I get the feeling I’m not the only one in the blog who feels this way.
Srsly, who’s not with Jeremy here? People who feel the need to canonize their favorite ballplayers will continue to beat up on A-Rod…even though he’s the norm, not the exception. Meanwhile, for all of his phoniness and dumbness and objectionableness, let’s just drop it.
The real story is “tipping” and conspiracy by MLB bigs to cover the story up. The secondary story is that this problem is endemic and epidemic to the point where there are health implications for kids.
The story is not how well A-Rod answered Pete Gam’s questions 4-7. The story is definitely not Selena Roberts, who’s a total non-entity.
Let’s talk baseball and drop the smug, moralizing condescension. Andy Pettitte is a creep who was using like a racehorse. Just like many of his teammates. Just like many of the Red Sox. Just like many of the Pirates. Just like many of the Reading Phillies. Just like many of the Kane County Cougars. Just like many of the University of Nebraska Cornhuskers. And on down the line.
If we really feel the need to perpetuate these roid stories, it should be in actual service to readership. There is a compelling public health and safety angle that transcends the idiocy of a dude who frosts tips and likes decrepit pop stars.
In case you missed it when I posted earlier today:
http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....e_on_hate/
Ham Fighters,
Pete and you are right that Pettitte handled his confession a whole lot better than ARod. It’s night and day.
As soon as ARod starts saying things that are disprovable (he shouldn’t have said anything negative about Roberts) or just don’t sound credible (”I didn’t know what I was taking”), it becomes that much harder to believe his critical point: he stopped doing PEDs after 2003.
It’s as if he is programmed to make it as hard as humanly possible to like him as a fan.
Yankeefans23:
Your post was filtered out because you used a curse word.
Meanwhile, these same people who are killing Selena Roberts for asking A-Rod a question would be killing her if she didn’t. How you can you write that story without asking him? He deserves the change to comment. She called his reps and they never responded.
It’s a can’t win. If you find him and ask him, you’re stalking him. If you don’t do that, you’re not giving him a chance to respond to a serious charge.
Casanova: When did I ever once write about Giambi being nice to kids? You’re fabricating that. And I regularly referred to Giambi as a “big cheating goon”, so often that people gave me a hard time about it.
that is just funny.now people are saying how the incident went down & twisting the story then saying that the ny daily news is not credible even though the police made direct quotes that say she did nothing wrong.
it is on francessa now
Is New York the only town (city) where the media in that town write more stories tearing down their sports franchises than not? Because it seems to me that almost all the coverage here is negative. No one gets the benefit of the doubt of a day of honeymoon.
If Teixeira or CC or AJ get off to a slow start, it will be reported immediately that the Yankees have wasted their money and don’t know what they’re doing.
I’m not saying they should ignore negative stories. But they sensationalize the negative while glossing over any positive. They seek out bad news, at least it seems that way to me. It’s so discouraging. Or maybe it’s just the saturation – so many papers, multiple stories per paper, all with the same perspective. Oy.
Oops, and I forgot all the talk radio outlets!
Steroids in baseball is a legitimate and important news story.
Just my opinion, but rather than attacking Selena Roberts, we ought to be grateful that investigative journalists exist and publish stories that vested interests would just as soon see hidden.
With all the economic woes the journalism industry has, there is likely to be less investigative reporting in the future and that is a shame.
Reporters have to dig to get stories. Everything I see just looks like Ms. Roberts was doing her job.
It is human nature to vent frustration at the bearer of bad news but we have to recognize that and move beyond it.
Technically he said he stopped taking PED’s in Spring Training before the 2003 season.
lots of people on here called roberts a liar before arod confirmed her reporting and complained about her smearing his name.
then he confirmed her report.
now these same people are smearing her name with lies told my arod.
kinda funny
Gah, chaos rules the Lohud board.
Abreu on the Angels = bad news for Gary Matthews.
so I am trying to find articles on other stuff to talk about, but…Joba on the Arod stuff:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3899964
does anybody think he used hgh after 2003 because there are no tests for it?
Adam Dunn=Nat.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....-adam.html
How about my basic, point, Pete, that A-Rod is a distraction story? Reporters haven’t covered the real story in a thorough or comprehensive way. If anyone should be followed by old Selena, it’s Don Fehr, Gene Orza or Bud Selig. Maybe we could have an apology tour from writers who accepted and promoted the 1998 farce (Mc and Sosa) and then swooping in on the carrion like vultures.
If most major leaguers cheat, it doesn’t justify it. It does, however, suggest the potential for something much more edifying than an A-Rod gotcha! barrage.
We understand she wanted to get answers. She is also writing a book about alex without him having any part of it. he has a right to not have his privacy invaded too. i feel like he has a valid gripe to be angry. Didnt i see a note too that she was questioning his sexuallity in her book? Shocking he didnt want to answer her ‘questions’.
The Nats got a hitter. I like that 899 OPS. They didn’t get a fielder, though.
Man why are we still bogged down with all the crap….Last week it was the evil Torre, and now this…..Draining and frustrating…..
Has Pete mentioned once that Selena lied about never going near ARod’s home (as GB posted) ?
I can’t remember Pete making a single post that was even remotely critical of Roberts yet he posts a ton of ARod criticism.
I think most of us agree that many, if not all, are at fault here.
Why is Pete so one-sided in this instance?
SJ44,
It’s too bad you’ve had enough of this issue, as your comments about it have been fascinating.
I think there are still a lot of interesting things to say about ARod, Roberts, MLB, the Union, PEDs, the HOF, you name it. And there are a lot of smart people on this blog, including Pete, with some real insights to share.
However I think that if the tone on this blog is going to improve, Pete is the one best suited to leading the way. When posts on a Yankee news blog call the team’s best player a pathetic, Madonna-chasing, compulsively dishonest, choking loser whose best years were PED-enhanced, you shouldn’t be surprised if you see a flood of angry responses.
“I get the feeling I’m not the only one in the blog who feels this way.”
I think that most of us want to talk baseball. Unfortunately, our emotions – whether they be pro or anti A-Rod will always get the best of us if Pete’s posts mention the talented yet flawed bum.
id have to see the quote. i heard her say she never set foot on his property.
Everyone keeps saying that Alex claimed she was “cited” and he did not.
He said she was “SIGHTED”
If Melky and Gardner have good springs does that mean Swisher or Nady gets moved?
Did you realize that Rasner, Ponson, Kennedy and Hughes combined to make 52 starts last year and won NINE? How easy will it be to improve that performance at # 4 and # 5 in the rotation.
At some point its just going to have to be good enough for everyone that we know he did it. Why do we need to know every intimate detail? I doubt A-Rod will allow specific questions and will probably defer to the interview for any of these steriods related issues that will come up when he addresses the media. It won’t be good enough for some, but as a baseball/Yankees fan I’m ready to start the season. As mad as I was to begin the week, I’m fine with his admission. Its more than anyone else has given and he didn’t throw anyone under the bus. Its not A-Rods job to out everyone who was involved with steroids.
Is anyone else especially stoked that we signed Teix with all this A-Rod hoorah going on?
What if…WHAT IF A-Rod just folded under the scrutiny and pressure and hit 270 with 20 bombs and 80 RBI and we DIDN’T have Teix? Unfathomable, I know, but still. What if?
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If this happens we are toast. This wasn’t the reason on my mind at the time but just another reason why we should have been in on Manny.
Sorry, couldn’t resist
Wave Your Hat -
The thing is, is it the same if you’re researching for an unauthorized biography as it is to report a story? One is a lot more salacious than the other. If she was doing a report about steroids in baseball, that is one thing. I’m not sure if this research was for her book or for a Sports Illustrated profile of Alex Rodriguez. I suspect there would have been no profile piece on Rodriguez this spring without her happening upon this information, because, frankly, there was nothing newsworthy about ARod this spring up until that point. Not really. Unless you count that Torre/Verducci mentioned him in their book.
We’re all perfect but A-rod.
anyone seen cano at camp? is he there early?
tex/arod 3/4 or arod/tex 3/4?
how are matsui’s knees?
anyone know if jeter actually drinks gatorade?
let’s talk about anything other than steriods
Wave,
Where were these “investigative journalists” from 1988-2004 when the Era was in full bloom?
Do you think they just found out what was going on? That’s less credible than anything any baseball player can say about steroids.
How about the people in the industry who tore the reporter from St. Louis to shreds for asking McGuire about the Andro in his locker in 1998? That didn’t make anybody think about investigating this story?
Hal Bodley, then of USA Today, actually went to Bud Selig and ask they pull the guy’s credential. Talk about putting your head in the sand.
Nobody is ripping “investigative journalists”.
However, HOW they come upon information is just as important as the information they come upon.
Personal attacks on Roberts, or any journalist, is not my thing. I don’t think that’s right. It is fair game though to talk about how they come upon information, the scope of it, and the agenda they may or may not have with the subject they are covering.
The information she got on him was correct. How she got the information, her actions before and after getting the information, and the fact she is writing an unauthorized bio on the subject she is now going after, are fair game to discuss.
I think most of us just have “Arod fatigue”.
I think Derek Jeter would agree! lol
Seriously already. We see you up there on that horse. Feel free to get off anytime.
Thanks.
“Abreu on the Angels = bad news for Gary Matthews.
1st and the 15th = ridiculously good news for Gary Matthews
Talk about legally stealing money…
Selena’s big break came about because of a violation of someone’s 4th ammendmant rights.
So how deep in negotiaions with SI are you, Pete?
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i don’t see any possible way she can write a classy book about arod.
when you go around asking everybody else about arod & then write a book about him without talking to him imo is classless,especially if she questions his sexuality.
arod did lie about her tresspassing,technically but she is invading his privacy.
Keep throwin’ gas on the fire Pete.
There’s one clear reason why a lot of people want to know more about whether A-Rod took PEDs beyond 2001-2003, I think, and it is to evaluate whether he’s a candidate for the Hall of Fame, or the related question of whether to consider him a legitimate all-time home run leader. If he truly only did it during ‘01-’03, then some may just discount the extra boost in those seasons, and evaluate the rest of his career accordingly. However, if he did it for more than those seasons, it’s harder to dismiss.
I really think that’s behind a lot of people’s need to know more. Part of it also may be because A-Rod is such a head case, it’s fascinating, in a train wreck kind of way, to see how sociopathic his lying may be. If he lied a lot even in his confession, it’s all the more crazy, and that’s somewhat fascinating to a lot of people. Not to those who just want to focus on baseball, of course, but to a lot of people, nonetheless.
As for Selena Roberts, although some people are strongly on one side or the other on this, I wonder if some people are like me in that we believe her side of this story, given the available evidence so far, but are disappointed in how many members of the media have lauded her for being such a great, fair reporter, when her behavior in the whole Duke debacle suggests that such praise may be overstating things quite a bit. There might be less of a hostile reaction if the praise of her scoop here was tempered a bit with that context. She also seemed totally disingenuous during her interview with FAN about her book on A-Rod. This isn’t a “kill the messenger” rant, as I do believe her much more than I believe A-Rod, but I do think some of the praise of her has been too blindly positive as well.
Some friendly advice:
I haven’t read a thing about this whole thing sinnce Monday night. It’s nice not bothering with it anymore.
It’s over. It is what is. There’s nothing anyone can do about it. Move on and enjoy the game.
Doreen,
Just my opinion again but the only biographies of living people worth reading are the unauthorized kind.
And I refuse to let myself care about Roberts’ motivation. Who knows why she is writing the book? It is not something I could possibly know, so any speculation about it is pointless.
But ARod’s story is news. It just is. And to get news that maybe people would rather not be reported, you have to get out of your chair and go do stuff. So I see no reason to be mad at Ms. Roberts.
if sj wrote one word bad about arod’s ped usage for every 50 words he writes smearing roberts, he might have some credibility on this subject.
7 days of smearing her, are you on arod’s payroll?
One last point and I swear to God I’m done on this issue:
The title of her book suggests a “historic personal and professional fall” of Alex Rodriquez.
Sort of gives away the ending, if you ask me.
My point is, the story (at least from her perspective) “works” if he indeed “falls”.
Its not a book being written with a happy ending in the works, IMO.
With 9 years to go in his career, and (hopefully) another 50+ years in his life, isn’t it a bit early to talk about a “historic fall”?
Nobody is doubting the accuracy of her information.
Geez Louise, she was handed proof of a failed drug test! If you can’t get that right, you need to get out of the business?
Going to the Hecht Center, going to his house, waiting outside clubs and his NYC Apt.? We can all argue until the cows come home whether that’s “stalking”, “investigating” or something in between.
Speaking only for myself, I’ve reached the saturation point with this stuff.
I’d rather talk about baseball and the upcoming season. Its a helluva lot more uplifting.
Thanks for the response Peter.
But given Selena’s history of negativity towards Alex, plus the fact that she’s got a book about him coming out (hmm, wonder how that’s going to go) and that she’s gotten hold of just his name from the steroid list (which was supposed to be confidential) I can see his animosity.
Certainly if newly minted journalist got hold of A-Rod’s name on the list, that reporter should report it. But I can’t help but see a bit of a vendetta here, by Selena. Maybe that’s not her intent, and while this is a real issue, I just see all the past stories about Alex’s awkwardness as nonsense. Gee, he doesn’t fit in well in the clubhouse. I don’t care about that. I guess it’s that I’ve read too much (even just scanning the headlines to determine I don’t want to read more) on a subject I don’t care about, that when there’s an actual, real story, my outrage has been diminished. A lot.
Oh, and I would like to see regular testing of Alex & all the other major league players this year. If he can perform at his level while I know he’s clean, then I’ll root for him.
I read the story, still think Selena Roberts is crazy. I’m just not a fan of her writing going back to her New York Times days. The media is all going nuts to protect one of their own like she’s mother theresa. I’m allowed not to like her.
“We’re all perfect but A-rod.”
I know that I am.
I guess what surprises me is how people don’t see what a tragic figure this guy is. I know that he’s wicked rich. I know that he can buy what he wants and do anything he wants. But if you take a good look at his life, you would feel sorry for him. He comes from a broken home; had no father to speak of. It’s quite clear to me (as someone who also grew up w/o a Dad) that this has had a negative affect on him. His unending desire to be liked, his need to be the best all comes from the fact that his Dad essentially abandoned him. He may be worth millions; he may be able to buy and sell me several times over, but I really do feel sorry for him.
Pete – Your loyalty is obviously to the members of the journalism fraternity.
This woman has staked her claim to A-Rod as a cash cow for her for many years to come. It’s sleazy…plain and simple.
She should, at some point, face jail time unless she reveals the felons who provided her with the leak. If it’s found that she paid for the information, she should do some federal time.
That goes for whomever ratted out Bonds, Giambi, and the others, too. I think it was probably also a violation of federal medical records privacy laws, commonly known as HIPAA.
If you actually kept one screen name, instead of changing it everyday to take shots at me, I’d actually answer your question.
Grow a pair, then we can talk.
“Where were these “investigative journalists” from 1988-2004 when the Era was in full bloom?
Do you think they just found out what was going on? That’s less credible than anything any baseball player can say about steroids.
How about the people in the industry who tore the reporter from St. Louis to shreds for asking McGuire about the Andro in his locker in 1998? That didn’t make anybody think about investigating this story?”
Could not agree with this more, in fact I always remember how that story was completely written off in ‘98 because andro wasn’t illegal in the majors. The important thing for reporters then was to stay swept up in the story about how great and exciting the home run chase was, not to question its legitimacy.
But now that all those reporters who were quick to celebrate McGwire, Sosa, Greg Vaughn & Griffey Jr.’s home runs in ‘98 look like ostriches with their heads in the sand, it’s time to lay on the vitriol when it comes to discussing the players associated with steroids, while simultaneously deflecting any criticisms lobbed at their brethren for how they go about “commencing with the healing”.
“Reporters have to dig to get stories. Everything I see just looks like Ms. Roberts was doing her job.”
Ooo let me say this. If she was “digging” to get this story then she is in deeper trouble than ever, since she provided information to her newspaper that was supposed to be protected, according to federal court order. That’s not doing her job. That’s helping to break the law.
Ham fighters – if you go back to the day the story broke and look at my posts, all I did was dump all over Arod. In fact when people were doubting Roberts I said I didn’t doubt her story at all. I absolutely believed she wouldn’t run with it if she hadn’t verified all of her sources and believed it to be true.
I am dumping on Roberts also here, because she did something that bothers me personally in my profession. She knowingly ran with information that she knew wasn’t supposed to be published and had been locked down by court order. To me Selena Roberts was showing she was bigger than the law. I resent that behavior to the core of my being. I have already said I don’t care to see any of the other 103 names. If she was really an ace reporter, rather than go with leaked information she would have concentrated on what happened AFTER 2003, you know, really dug around and found out what players were still taking steroids, you know, the information that isn’t protected by court order? She shot some fish in a barrel. Big whoop.
I also noted that the SF reporters were given 18 months in prison for contempt of court when they refused to provide the source of the leaked information in the Balco case. Court protected is court protected, whether it is the subject of a grand jury investigation or the presiding justice says the certain information is to be sealed.
I truly believe that the majority of people who are down on Roberts aren’t down on her only because she leaked court-protected info (my beef) as much as because they feel that her tactics were dirty and this is a part of a holistic smear campaign that she has started against Arod and will culminate with her tabloid book in May. Maybe if Tom Brokaw broke the story there would be fewer people upset about it. Just a guess, but I think a good one.
I too wish A-Rod would come clean with more specific details. If he just sits and answers all questions once and for all, we could all move on with our lives.
On Selena Roberts, although she is just doing her job and obviously didn’t break any laws, I think showing up everywhere he goes is over the line.
What was violated was the privacy guaranteed by the 2003 testing. I don’t think leaking results would constitute a fourth amendment violation.
Also the Feds are almost certainly going to have to turn over their info and not use any of it because the warrant allowed them access to the results of the Balco Ten, not anyone else.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens if a court orders Ms. Roberts to divulge her sources
“It’ll be interesting to see what happens if a court orders Ms. Roberts to divulge her sources”
Somehow, I don’t see her being willing to go to jail to protect them.
whitney ford is a cheater too. he messed with with the ball. so lets. selena is a class act, remember she blew the duke lacrosse story
I’ve never given you grief about what you post Pete, but this is a little too much:
“You can’t really believe anything he says, so asking him questions won’t prove anything.”
If this were true, than why do you call for Alex to do it the “right” way and hold a press conference? I mean, if he’s a liar and we can’t believe ANYTHING, what would a press conference do?
I love every Yankee regardless, just because they r a Yankee. He fessed up to a mistake he made and gave up a timetable of his use. ALL THIS, mind you, without a grand jury or Congress. That’s more than we have gotten from ANY steroid user still playing.
I’d take him at his word for this. IMO, the highest profile player in the game would be crazy to use steroids while they r starting to test.
HGH is another story we can’t possibly delve into.
On a more baseball note, what is the consensus of Melky’s ceiling?
SJ44, I’m particularly interested in your opinion on this matter?
Doubles, gap power, or more of a hit for average kind of guy. I think we ca rule out slugger at this point. But seriously, what kind of hitter can we hope, realistically, cabrera can become?
“Where were these “investigative journalists” from 1988-2004 when the Era was in full bloom?
Do you think they just found out what was going on? That’s less credible than anything any baseball player can say about steroids.
How about the people in the industry who tore the reporter from St. Louis to shreds for asking McGuire about the Andro in his locker in 1998? That didn’t make anybody think about investigating this story?”
Haha, so true.
Along similar lines, have members of the media ever mentioned about how greenies/amphetamines were a controlled substance since 1970? Technically making practically everybody in MLB criminals for decades.
And has there been any talk about steroid use in the 60’s and early 70’s (at the very least)? And how baseball had done nothing for decades?
I’m pretty young, so I don’t know about news coverage prior to this decade.
“What was violated was the privacy guaranteed by the 2003 testing. I don’t think leaking results would constitute a fourth amendment violation.”
My non-lawyerly read of it too.
Did the Union go to court to stop these records from being seized? If so, is citing the players’ 4th amendment rights a reasonable way of going about that?
Just when I thought this blog was going back to baseball and the potential for the awesome season the Yankees could have, Pete has to ruin it with some more ARod blather.
Pete, ARod admitted using steroids from 2001-3. By doing so, he took the spotlight off of the other 103, at least temporarily. He is likely the best player of all time, and it is also likely that the steroids did nothing for him. You are going to have to vote him into the HOF in 2020 (assuming the BBWA still has the vote).
Everything we know about Selina Roberts suggests that she is a jackass. While her reporting may be true, the way in which she did it is despicable. As a journalist, you should at least acknowledge that–or do the same amount of investigation of her as you did ARod before passing judgement.
Hate ARod all you want–just not over this.
I’m now back to baseball.
“On a more baseball note, what is the consensus of Melky’s ceiling?”
2006.
Very good fielder. Below average bat. It’s merely a matter of how below average.
“On Selena Roberts, *although she is just doing her job and obviously didn’t break any laws,* I think showing up everywhere he goes is over the line.”
Where do you people get this stuff? She broke a law as much as the SF Chronicle guys did! She aided in providing information that was supposed to be sealed. Do you know what contempt of court means? Do you think you can be held in contempt if you are just doing your job and not breaking any laws?
“On a more baseball note, what is the consensus of Melky’s ceiling?”
.280 18HR 61RBI
I think The Melk has way more upside than Gardner, though i like Gardner as a late inning base-runner (stolen base threat)
Finally we have a stolen base threat, and 2 lefties in the pen. This is our year!!!!
the thing about the anonymous testing fall into the shades of grey.
the union, mlb, and the labs promise anonymity and the strive to protect in many ways, this anonymity, such as using #’s instead of names on the samples, etc.
so in that way they are anonymous.
but none of those entities can stop federal prosecutors with warrants. so the anonymity only goes as far as mlb, mlpba and the labs can keep it. if higher authorities decide to sieze them, all bets are off, nobody can guarantee against that.
I am very disappointed with Pete over his blind support of Ms. Roberts. I believe she acted illegally in making information public that was marked as confidential by a court order. But I’m not an attorney and we live in a country with a sometimes skewed legal system. So at the very least, I think we can consider Ms. Roberts’ behavior unethical.
And– the fact is, if a-rod hasn’t been caught as a ‘user’ since 2003 (which is a true comment), in our country he is innocent until proven guilty, right? So regardless of his ‘body language’ (what a stupid way of judging a person!), or his sometimes contradictory comments— he is innocent, or at least not guilty. If this was the second string shortstop of the Royals, this would be such a non-story.
That said– my personal opinion is that no one is innocent in this whole mess– the ballplayers, MLB, the Union, the fans and the reporters, too- who see a lot more in the clubhouse than they tell us. We’re all guilty, so let’s all just tighten the testing policy, make the penalties harsher, and MOVE ON.
trisha you are charging a crime where there is none evident. has any reporter ever been charged with conspiracy to leak?
you are a lawyer. you know that she cannot be held in contempt for publishing something. should the judge decide that she wanted to force roberts to give up her sources, then that judge can call her to testify. should she refuse in her testimony to provide that information, then the judge can find her in contempt.
any of this ring a bell?
Melky’s ceiling– a 4th outfielder, fielding replacement in late innings. If he plays 120 games, .275, 12HR, 60RBI. low OBP. He has no patience at the plate.
I think Gardner has greater potential. I hope he shows it. Maybe .280-.285, 2HR, 70RBI, 50SB, 10CS. Good bunter. He walks a lot more too, so his OBP should be pretty good, & with his speed it will upset the fielders.
the thing that i am curious about is do the feds or anybody else have blood or urine samples that are being saved to possibly be tested years from now to find hgh or anything else?
selena is the same reporter who ean the duke lacrosse to the ground after they were innocent. she bitter and a second rate reporter. arod is a cheat, selena is a word i can’t used. peter protect his own. where were these reporters in 1998, hypocrites. now they want to clai high moral. of course peter won’t bash his pats for cheating
I believe the MLBPA won in district court, lost at the appellate level on a three-judge panel but legal eagles say there are indications the full appellate court will overturn the panel.
The fourth amendment prhibits illegal search and seizure… I fail to see how the results could be viewed as property. Perhaps the rights of the testing lab were violated by the seixing of their documents, samples and such, but the players gave the samples voluntarily.
I did speak with a prosecutor last night who was absolutely flabbergasted the union and mlb did nothing to make certain the results/samples were destroyed. Any player who gets outed by this has a helluva case against the union and mlb.
a deterent can be,test every player a number of times every year,save the samples & tell them that a test will someday be found to detect everything.
I thought there was a trespassing citation by ‘Miami Beach PD’ not ‘Miami PD’ there’s a difference…there were talking about it on sporting news radio yesterday evening how she crossed the line as a journalist, baseball players are very accessible in the spring/all summer and she has to walk in his private sanctuaries, the gym and his house…
trust me the last place you want to tell me I have been laid off or some other negative news is while I’m working out at the gym…that’s most people’s release from everyday life..don’t know why anyone w/ side w/ Roberts on this issue.
bru — Yeah, there’s a chance in hell that the players will agree to that after this fiasco.
The leaking of ARod’s name will probably hurt the cause of testing and eliminate any chance the MLBPA would ever agree to blood testing.
Half the NFL is on HGH and the baseball world goes apoplectic over every incident… ridiculous.
bru February 11th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
a deterrent can be,test every player a number of times every year,save the samples & tell them that a test will someday be found to detect everything.
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great idea, bru, i like it but you can’t do that. testings need to be destroyed right away.
wouldn’t blood testing be unfeasible during a season? it’s not good to take out blood once a week while playing everyday and working out
SteveB
February 11th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
bru February 11th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
a deterrent can be,test every player a number of times every year,save the samples & tell them that a test will someday be found to detect everything.
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great idea, bru, i like it but you can’t do that. testings need to be destroyed right away.
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somebody should have told mlb & the union then.if i am arod i am very angry.
There is a message here – even a confessing liar has more credibility in the publics eyes than a snooping journalist, regardless of what the facts are.
i find it hard to believe someone that goes on multiple interviews yesterday has nothing to hide and was going about her business legitimately. sure, she’s disputing Alex’s claims, but does that take going on as many radio and tv interviews that she did yesterday?
she is a shady, tabloidish-sports reporter.
as for Alex’s comments in the interview, i’m sure he didn’t know the whole story. and i’m sure that was a backburner issue for him at the time. he probably came home from the gym, was told that some lady was looking for him, the police showed up, here’s the report…
maybe she didn’t try to ‘break into his house’, but from his end, i’m sure it looked that way…
and yes, Alex came out and said a lot more than Andy did…
Pete,
I love the material you provide us with. But I seriously despise how you decide to hate people depending on your moodswings that come with the weather.
You absolutely hated Melky for a while, probably still do, but have toned it down.
You went out of your way to let us know how bad of a guy Joe Girardi is and how the media will eat him the way he treats them. Now apparently you get along fine with him.
Now ARod is getting kicked while he’s down. All of a sudden of course AP’s story from last year is 100% true, without a doubt. Oh yeah, and take Selena Robert’s word for everything and then thereby discredit everything ARod says. Red Herring much?
The worst thing is that you will never outright say that you don’t like people, you try to manipulate people into sharing your seasonal dislikes under the name of objectivity.
Seriously, I love this blog but that aspect has been driving me up the wall for 2 years now.
ham fighter – yes she can be held in contempt for refusing to give up sources. But following the bouncing ball here, if she did NOTHING WRONG, as some posters are maintaining, and if she was protected by either the 1st Amendment or Shield Laws, as some posters are maintaining, then she wouldn’t be able to be held in contempt for refusing to give up sources, if the courts decide to call her on this.
You can’t be held in contempt of court if you’ve done nothing wrong. The 9th Circuit, for example, could not subpoena me into court and imprison me for refusing to cooperate in this particular case because see, I had nothing to do with it. But if I did, and if I helped to have published information that was supposed to be court-protected then guess what? I have been complicit in violating a court order.
I know you understand what I am saying here. I just know you do.
Selena Roberts, despite her opinion of herself, isn’t a hero for helping to publish protected information. It doesn’t matter if every flunky in the world thinks she’s a hero for this. When you violate a law or court order, or if you are any witting part of a scheme to violate a law or court order, you are not a lawbreaker. Now, if she goes to court and cooperates, then she is merely someone who was complicit in violating a court order but decided to bail herself out by turning someone else in.
A hero, right?
Later y’all.
Trisha,
To clarify…my point was that she did not break any laws with respect to trespassing while following A-Rod’s evey move. I agree with your point regarding the sealed information.
I agree the public has a lot of contempt for the media, but Ms. Roberts earned hers with her incompetent coverage of the Duke Lacrosse case. If she could have been “disbarred” from the media she would have been.
She has not identified herself as someone writing an unauthorized biography of ARod in her media interviews which undermines her ethics.
As many have written there are no heros (or heroines) here. ARod broke the rules and lied about it. Ms. Roberts has proven herself to be of questionable competence and ethics.
Now when does Matsui get there so people can see him run?
hey bru–
the Union was hanging onto those samples because they were trying to work down the number of positives, down to a 5% positive result of the total players tested. If it was <5%, the regular testing we have now would never have kicked in. I think they were knocked out of their socks by the 104 positives. But it’s their own fault, they got greedy & figured they found a loophole. Had they just accepted those results & destroyed it the way they should have, the Government would never have been able to get their hands on it. No crying over the Union.
Pete will always side with Roberts cuz he is a journalist. He can’t diss one of his own. These journalists stick together and always have a holier than thou attitude. They like to write about everyone but who knows what they do in their personal lives. Its easy to hold others to higher standard than yourself when you get to write about everyone else except yourself.
i guess she such a classy gal, she gonna tr*sh arod name and make a book. jose canseco did the same thing
i guess she such a classy gal, she gonna tr*sh arod name and make a book. jose canseco did the same thing
i guess she such a classy gal, she gonna tr*sh arod name and make a book. jose canseco did the same thing
sorry didn’t mean to post that 3 times
If Selena Roberts covers any spring training at all, she’s better served to do it out in the Cactus League in Arizona.
She has to be smart enough to know not to hang around within 100 feet of a batting cage or dugout in Florida when A-Rod is around.
I have to take issue with the “circle the wagons” kind of attitude you and every other writer seems to be taking with regards to A-Rods complaints against Selena Roberts. Obviously you can’t just take A-Rods word that these things happened but you also can’t just take Roberts’ word that they didn’t. The more likely scenario is that A-Rod has exaggerated them and Roberts has understated them. Neither is a terribly trust worthy source on the topic given their recent histories, Roberts with the Duke thing and previous slanderous A-Rod article in the NYT and A-Rod’s steroid lies and disingenuous apology.
Does anybody know of a single sports writer questioning Roberts’ methods? I haven’t seen anything. Obviously as she is a fellow sports writer they are going to be more inclined to believe her but that shouldn’t remove all skepticism.
Where do people get the idea that the First Amendment shields members of the press from contempt charges in each and every subpoena Subpoena situation? It’s simply not the case. Go check out Branzburg v. Hayes if you care to. While you’re at it go have a conversation with Valeri Plame, or When Ho Lee about the depth of that 1st Amendment protection. Shield laws, when they do apply, at best create a qualified not an absolute privilege.
In this situation Ms. Roberts may find more shelter behind the 5th Amendment than the 1st. Here’s hoping she’s put in a position where she has to invoke it.
By the way what was she doing attempting to gain access to A-Rod’s home anyway? Yeah, sure, A-Rod made that up just like she never drove by his house. I love it when the press circles the wagons around their own. God help any other group that does it from the press’s point of view however. What hypocrisy.
Look, A-Rod didn’t have the guts to fess up for years just like the other 103 people on that confidential list certainly because he and they all thought they were immune from discovery. I’m not so sure I would have been anxious to call in my coordinates on this either given the attitudes that stalk the land on the steroid issue. I’m also sure A-Rod can be a royal pain in the ass when the mood strikes him and that he can make everyone around him fairly miserable when he wants to but please don’t act like Ms. Roberts crap doesn’t stink.
Everybody has really done a fantastic job of vetting A-Rod and Selena Story.
Time to move on…
but as the great philospher Michael Corleone said… everytime we try to do that we get “Dragged back in”!!!
I’ve been thinking about how Bonds and A-Rod were both awesome and yet were compelled to take steroids. And the reasoning seems to be that they were getting beat out by other dudes who were juicing. And man, the evidence is there:
In 1996, pre-roids for both Bonds and A-Rod (supposedly):
NL MVP: Ken Caminiti, Bonds finished 5th
AL MVP: Juan Gone, A-Rod finished 2nd
You know both Caminiti and Gonzalez were users. Gonzalez part of the infamous Texas crew. Steroids wins both MVPs.
in 1998:
NL MVP: Sosa, McG 2nd, Bonds 8th.
AL MVP: Juan Gone again, A-Rod 9th
Roids wins both again.
in 99:
AL MVP: I-Rod, A-Rod 15th
Roids wins another MVP.
This is the same year Bonds really fell off. He finished 24th in the MVP. He hit like .260. At this point, Bonds says screw this, I’m juicing.
in 2000:
AL MVP: Jason Giambi, A-Rod 3rd.
Roids wins again, A-Rod decides to juice.
Bonds returns with a vengenace in 2000 and hits 49 homers. He’s beaten out for the MVP….by Jeff Kent (now, imagine how that played out between those two?)
In 2001:
AL MVP: Ichiro. But 2nd, 3rd and 5th are Giambi, Bret Boone, and Juan Gone. A-Rod finishes 6th…with 52 homers. Arod loses the MVP in 2002 as well…to Miguel Tejada. He finally gets the award in 2003 proving that the juice works.
NL MVP: Bonds finally gets the award back proving the juice works.
“Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig said Wednesday afternoon that he is “just heartsick” about Alex Rodriguez’s admission of performance-enhancing drug use and would not rule out punishing him or adjusting baseball’s record book.”
http://www.usatoday.com/sports.....arod_N.htm
I haven’t been calling for the other 103 names to come out but if A-Rod is punished for something that wasn’t supposed to lead to punishment then you have to release all the names and punish them too.
I’m not big on this union but I would want them to eat Selig alive for this.
After watching the A-Rod interview with Gammons – it was hard to believe everything he said. I wish the issue was this simple. Just because someone tests negative for PED’s does not automatically mean they are clean. Many have used masking agents to hide the juice in their system. Even though A-Rod may deserve the scrunity and derision, this issue remains far bigger than him and the 2001-2003 time period. Unfortunately, this issue is not going away any time soon. Too many people looked the other way for too long.
I really wish people would leave him alone. there were 103 other names and back then when they were taking them it wasn’t illegal in baseball standards. Nobody was complaining when McGwire and Sosa were competing for Maris’ record and nobody was complaining when there was a rivalry for best shortstop in the game between A-Rod, Jeter, and Nomar. Granted yes, he cheated. But EVERYONE has cheated at something in their lives. So what? He is not a bad person, he’s only human.