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The press conference aftermath

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Feb 17, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Joe Girardi said he thought today’s press conference was “sufficient” for the Yankees to be able to move on from this. At some point, that will have to be the case. The season is coming regardless of what A-Rod said or didn’t say. The same questions can’t keep being asked.

The problem with Alex is you can’t be sure what to believe. Consider this timeline:

— Tells Katie Couric and others that he never did anything.

— Tells Peter Gammons he did something but he wasn’t sure what it was.

— Says today he did some mysterious over-the-counter drug from the Dominican with an unnamed cousin. At one point today A-Rod said the drug gave him energy. Then he said he wasn’t sure what he did. As he closes one hole, he opens another. It’s beyond reason that anybody would be “young and stupid” enough to inject themselves with a drug so many times unless it was helping them in some way.

It could have been handled a lot better and it could have been handled a lot worse. Some will find his emotion genuine; others will think it was phony. There is no right or wrong answer to this.

I asked Don Hooton whether Alex had contributed any money to his foundation. He has not and there are no plans to, he said. “He’s going to help us raise money,” Mr. Hooton said.

I thought it was a positive for the Yankees that so many players showed up. Perhaps this will help bring the team together.

 
 

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156 Responses to “The press conference aftermath”

  1. lauren February 17th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    i though he did good

  2. arodlies February 17th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    an over the counter injectable drug? come on.. even the third world doenst allow that do they

  3. Carl February 17th, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    arodlies they do

  4. Carl February 17th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    But lets be real, No matter what he would of said everyone will still pick it apart and call him a liar. He put himself in this situation though.

  5. arodien February 17th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    I dont know why you PETER and all the other media guys dont get it . WHAT EVER HE SAYS HE WOULD OF BEEN SCREWED!!! So lets hope this is the truth and go on! mike is ripping him now like he killed 50 people!!!!!!!!! MY GOD!

  6. JeterFan2 February 17th, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    Pete:

    What players were there? They didn’t show any on MLB network.

  7. jes February 17th, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    how many players showed up? i wasn;t able to see the news conference…did he cry? =)

  8. Phil February 17th, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    He said he took “boli” in the DR. And it is available over the counter there.

  9. Stephen February 17th, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    When I have kids, I’ll tell them to always explain their mistakes by saying they’re young. No matter how old they are.

  10. john February 17th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Buster Olney stated afterwards that people in baseball thought it unfair when the teams were down there as it is over the counter and widely used.

    Arod could have been better, could have been worse. As usual not 100% believable, but never would be even if telling 100% the truth, he always struggles to find the right way to phrase or word something without just saying. it.

    As Peter said it was a positive that the players showed and as many did. Olney said even Pavano said now what a good guy he was in the clubhouse even to him and players seemed always confused how he always ends up in these messes.

    End of the day, I don’t think this is a disaster which it could have been.

    And for what it’s worth and as emoitional fragile as people make him seem, I don’t think anyone can rightly assume he was faking the emotion having his teamates there. I mean, I am sure he had more to say then thank you, but lost it. He did the old sip of the water just like the Gammons interview to control his emotions and take a breather. That part was the least fake of it all.

  11. Paul February 17th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    You can’t knock him for lying to Katie Couric. He lied to everyone before the SI story came out. Has any player freely acknowledged using steroids without some type of published report or failed test?

    Alex has admitted more than was reported in the original SI report.

    I don’t really need to know any more. His apology is sufficient and he has been tested since 2004 and will be tested going forward.

  12. circus lover February 17th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Who knew the media was comprised of such delicate flowers?

    Not THREE sentences after predicting this media-fueled-mess will come to a close, good ole Pete asks us to “consider” a timeline. A Timeline! Won’t someone please think of the children!

    Oh grow up.

    Report the box scores. Every time you opine you just diminish your credibility.

  13. Who Cares February 17th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    His story about getting the substance over the counter in DR is very believable. You can walk into any pharmacy in Cancun and buy any type of steroid or banned substance at a much cheaper price. There are many people who do it while on Spring Break there.

  14. gb in tx February 17th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    I wonder why it is we expect our rich, professional athletes to be smart, savvy and have all the right answers. i know this stuff sells papers but can we please all move on? he cheated, as did a lot of others. we have to deal with it as fans as well. play ball!

  15. john February 17th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    Newsday had one good photo of the players at the conference. It was much more than the few that were to be there, Joba, Wang, Pena, the trainers, looked like a good 20 people there easy.

  16. Chris February 17th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    No one is considering the situation Alex is in. He was supposed to be the Savior of America’s past time. He was looked at as The best of all time. Now he’s being asked to provide specific details of his cheating from over 5 years ago. At some point the media has to accept his answers and move on to covering baseball.

  17. Anonymous February 17th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    Seriously though, do the extra details matter? He revealed everything that was necessary. Who cares about his cousin? Why can’t you guys just believe him when he says he was “young and stupid.” That is a viable reason (tell me that no one in the media ever did anything when they were young). He said that they did not know what thy were doing because all his cousin said was that it will help him and who knows if will hurt. You can take Muscle Milk today, but you don’t really think it’ll hurt you, so it’s a similar situation. And looking at his stats, the steroids really did not help.It’s Alex Rodriguez, so that’s why everyone is questioning him. He’s hated by that damn media. Imagine if you were in his shoes and then you’ll know everything from his perspective. Don’t be a hater.

  18. Frank in Chatham February 17th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    A-Rod has no idea what it is to tell the truth.

    Trade him….

    Not impossible but almost.

  19. Andrew February 17th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    I don’t know if that’s a typo or what, but apparently A-Rod’s emotion was either “contrived” or “phony”, so I guess we just gave up on the chance that he might have actually really gotten emotional, and A-Rod now inhabits the robot/actor “cry on cue” stratosphere.

    Regardless, if you want to pick apart everything A-Rod said in his press conference it will accomplish nothing. He has said more than any other player connected to steroids. There is no way to know whether everything he said was true or not, but of course the focus from most commentators and a ton of fans jumping up on their soap boxes will be on assuming that he was either a) lying, b) conveniently leaving things out or c) ignoring important details altogether.

    If there is no new dirt unearthed on A-Rod, the story will die a slow death as Opening Day gets closer and closer. Baseball will arrive whether sports talking heads like it or not, and in New York the fans care more about the game than they do about tabloid headlines.

  20. Jones February 17th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    You can walk into any just about any pharmacy in Mexico today, in 2009, and purchase injectable steroids, including Primobolan, Deca, D-Bol, Sustanon, Winstrol, etc, over the counter. They will sell these dangerous drugs to 16 year old kids with no questions asked. I know because I used to be that 16 year old kid who drove there to buy them.

  21. Gloria February 17th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    Can we get over it now??

    I was looking forward to this season before all this.

    Done and done.

  22. john February 17th, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    All he had to say with Kouric was he thought he had gotten away with it, thought he had finished that part of his life and everyone was holding him up to be savior of the home run record and he thought in his mind, wrongly, that he could just go with it and rectify the situation by presenting that image. Would that seem so far from the norm? I mean there are 103 other guys or so out there that know they are caught too, but no one is stepping forward so can’t single him out. They all were unwilling to admit guilt until caught and most still fought it after getting found out.

  23. Frisco Pete February 17th, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....llo/090211

  24. John February 17th, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    I know everybody seems to think he wouldn’t continue to use a drug in which he did not know its effect. But I thought he gave a good answer when he discussed the “psychological gain” from taking substances. Sure he was great before he supposedly took them. But the bottom line is, he took them and played great. Players have done much more nonsensical things because they believed it was somehow tied to them doing well but couldn’t say for sure.

  25. john February 17th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    Seriously, hope this is done for a while. Spring training next week !!!

    Only problem is there will be more in Slena’s book to rehash this and other things by opening day !!!!

  26. YankeesLuv February 17th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    There was no way Arod was going to win today, the media will never be satisfied. I’m not talking about you Pete specifically, just in general. I was fine with it, thought he handled it pretty well.

  27. Uncle Ellsworth February 17th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    I think we all want to know which players were there?

    Is Jeter having a press conf tomorrow – Or was that just speculation?

  28. pat February 17th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    Are contrived and phony the only options? Some may have actually thought he was truthful in what he shared even if it wasn’t everything he knew.

  29. Tex's New Best Friend February 17th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    Frank in Chatham, trade him?

    Really? Do you know a better third baseman out there?

  30. you gotta have faith (bronx zoo 2009) February 17th, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    a lot of players showed up which i thought was a good thing i saw everyone from molina, marte, to tex.

  31. WayneTolleson February 17th, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    Anonymous,
    You echo my sentiments exactly. He has given us more than most players would do…those that complain are the writers *coughpetecough* who yearn to have this continue. Barry Bonds still hasn’t answered one question, but now we need to know who Alex’s cousin is? Give me a break already. It dies and goes away if they want it to…the problem is, the media doesn’t want it to. This will give Pete and others something to write about, in perpetuity, regardless of how much they complain they are tired of it. If they are tired of it, stop asking for insignificant details and get one with baseball.

  32. Kevin February 17th, 2009 at 3:36 pm

    From Keith Law’s chat last week:

    Bill (Chicago): If steroid/HGH provides, as you claim, “negligible” benefits, then why do athletes continue to take chances by using them? And do you feel that Barry Bonds hitting 73 HRs compared to what he would have hit sans ‘roids is “negligible”…

    SportsNation Keith Law: This is easily one of the stupidest arguments made in favor of steroid usage. Athletes use steroids because they BELIEVE they will help. People take echinacea because they think it will cure colds, despite copious evidence that it does nothing. That “immune system booster” Airborne is useless, yet it’s sold in every drugstore in the country and has to be racking up millions in sales … even though it’s a vitamin C megadose which can actually reduce your immune system’s ability to fight off an infection. Athletes who take steroids are just as dumb as people who take Airborne or echinacea or who buy into Ponzi schemes, and the fact that there are people who do these things doesn’t make doing those things smart.

  33. Jeremy February 17th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    Pete, I imagine you struggling not to critique ARod’s statements and then giving in and writing your post anyway.

    Bring up the Couric interview now is pointless. The “ARod lied to Couric” horse was beaten to death a week ago.

    I don’t see any disagreement between his comments today and his interview with Gammons. He still says he doesn’t know exactly what the drug was or what it did.

    Of course he isn’t going to name the cousin who got him the drug. That cousin could wind up in jail.

  34. Who Cares February 17th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    The holier than thou people, especially reporters, amaze me. Of course he was going to lie to Couric. He was not caught yet. It is common sense. How many times have we seen politicians deny an accusation when confronted and subsequently admit their wrongdoings? Who speeds, gets away with it but then walks into a police station to admit it? NO ONE comes clean on breaking the law until they get caught. It is human nature. He didnt come fully clean with Gammons because he was praying that if he admitted it, he wouldnt have to go into more detail. ARod has to walk an extremely fine line in what he says because no matter what he says, he loses.

    Steroids are prevalent in the tri-state area among the young generation. Need proof? Walk into a club in NYC or visit a bar at the Jersey Shore or the Hamptons. Get over it people!!

  35. Vito February 17th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    I don’t believe his BS – too much makes no sense. I mean he couldn’t have been that dumb could he? That said, if he is clean now and being tested to prove he is clean then play the 2009 season and enough about it. I would love for him to quit the off field BS too with the woman issues. I hope the game becomes his escape and he throws himself into it with renewed passion – for his sake and for the Yankees sake.

  36. john February 17th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    Go to picture #10 on the Newsday webssite for players that were there.

    You can se 20 some odd, Jeter, Mo, Posada, Pena, Andy P, Joba, looks like Robertson, Wang, Tex, Nady, Matsui, more and I am sure many got cut out of the pitcure.

  37. FormerBOX607 February 17th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    Pete:

    Great job going right to Hooten. Unbelievable that he’s not putting any of his money behind the organization. He also dodged the “Are you going to keep the incentive bonuses when you break those HR records?” question, where he could have said I’m donating a portion of it to battle childhood steroid use.

  38. Paul February 17th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    “Some will find his emotion contrived; others will think it was phony.”

    Are those the only two options? Couldn’t some think it was genuine?

  39. Jon February 17th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    Pete, I love you man, but you’re personal feelings about A-Rod are really clouding your usually objective and interesting reporting. We get that you’re not a fan of A-rod. We get that he’s no Derek Jeter and doesn’t come off as totally sincere all the time. He’s a human being playing a game (albeit for a lot of money), I think we all to step back and realize that.

  40. Paulie February 17th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    Did anyone ask A-rod if he felt the names of the 103 players be released?

  41. Exit9 February 17th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    Alex is F’d up, Insecure, Neurotic and Emotional. Ie., FINE. And at last he’s settled any dispute on his alleged intelligence. He’s an exceptional jock with too much money and not enough common sense. Like Gloria says – done and done. Let’s play ball.

  42. Bob(The Original) February 17th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    Here’s a bunch of photos from the press conference. Ton of teammates there.

    Guess you gotta have a ring to get a seat though. lol

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....otogallery

  43. Joe Ruggiero February 17th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    Too bad the press (and you too Pete!) weren’t half as tough on the Messiah as they’re being on Alex… John McCain would be President today!

  44. Rob Abruzzese February 17th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    I do get the feeling that this is good for the rest of the team. It seems to be forcing them to join together as a group and support each other. This could be a good thing for a team to go through so early in the year.

  45. john February 17th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    He could have donated money for sure. How much would be enough for you? All of it? Can’t remember Giambi or anyone else doing anything at all even donating their time or speaking out against it?

    Another question was about testing more frequently? Why would he, is he does it, the players union would be forced into all players being tested more. He said what he had to say. Would people believe him more if he was tested once a week? Doubt it.

  46. trisha - Want the truth? Read Canseco's book. February 17th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    The majority of us believe Arod was credible today (according to the ESPN poll, thus far, and RSN territory is doing its best to tip the poll in the other direction!)

    So there are people who believe it’s bull. Big surprise.

    My feeling is that Arod is so unaffected by the opinion of the media and so much more concerned by the opinion of his teammates that he will be just fine.

    GO YANKEES!

  47. randy l February 17th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    jones-
    what’s the ” bolle” (sp?) stuff arod said they used?

    ever heard of it?

  48. zac February 17th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    “It’s beyond reason that anybody would be “young and stupid” enough to inject themselves with a drug so many times unless it was helping them in some way.”

    unless they THOUGHT it was helping them in some way, peter.

    you think you’d get this.

  49. Clare February 17th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    “Some will find his emotion contrived; others will think it was phony.”

    I think this sums up Pete Abe’s view of ARod perfectly.

    Some people think Pete is hostile to ARod, others think he’s biased.

  50. Patrick February 17th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    I love that chat by Keith Law because he makes a lot of great points. I can sort of accept his argument that steroids do not improve performance by a huge amount. However, I do think that steroids/HGH help players stay healthy and give them more energy. While it might not help them hit a ball more often or hit it further, steroids will definitely help keep them on the field every day.

    If you look at A-rod’s numbers from Texas, his OPS+ isn’t any different compared to the rest of his career. However, look at the number of games he played in each season. 162, 162, 161. He missed 1 game in three years at Texas. Although his rate stats (obp, avg, slg) aren’t any better in Texas, I think steroids helped him play more.

  51. Matty C February 17th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    If I had 10 bucks for every lie we just heard from A-Rod I would be a millionaire1

  52. TartanNYY February 17th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    Just picking up on the Don Hooten point. Helping him raise money is better than just throwing money at Hooten. If he had given him a boatload of cash you would probabaly say that he bought the guy to make himself look good and that5 he should take a more active and legit role by helping to raise money

  53. you gotta have faith (bronx zoo 2009) February 17th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    hmm no pics of cc or aj? maybe they didnt want to brng much attention to themselves so they hid in the back?

    btw doesnt our team look awesome? im excited for the season :)

  54. shame spencer February 17th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    Is Arod trying to get an endorsement with GNC or something??

    With all the PR people surrounding this guy, you would think at least one of them would have said “hey, maybe we should try the version that sounds less like bulls**t”

  55. Doreen February 17th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    I can believe that Alex didn’t really know if the steroid of choice was doing anything different or doing any good because his numbers overall were not all that different (if the usage is confined to the time period he says it was). What I cannot bring myself to believe is he did not know what he was taking.

    If it was me, and I couldn’t tell what they were doing, and I had to do it in secret, I would probably stop. Except if he thought stopping them would be worse – his numbers would go down and he’d be suspect.

    You don’t know how other people’s minds work and you don’t know what people can make themselves believe or justify to themselves.

    You also can’t assume become someone can hit a baseball better than most other people in the world that they are smart. You can’t assume because someone reaches a particular chronological age that they will somehow automatically become mature and make good decisions and become smart.

    I just want to move on now. Perhaps if MLBN replays the actual press conference at some point tonight I will watch it. I won’t listen without video, because from what I’m reading, to get the full impact you need to see and hear it.

  56. Yankeehottie February 17th, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    He didnt donate any money?? Ummm, wheres my gun?

  57. Nick in SF February 17th, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    Hey TartanNYY, I tried to ask you this yesterday: are you an American living in Scotland or a Scottish Yankee fan? Just curious, I’ve been to Scotland four times.

  58. rbizzler February 17th, 2009 at 3:46 pm

    here is a pic of the players at the presser:

    http://www.daylife.com/photo/01oXfZM5Uf5ND

    I find the outrage over A-Rod’s statements hilarious and ridiculous, Pete’s included. The guy is the biggest name to open up, admit what he did, name the drug, and talk about his use. But that is still not enough.

    What else would you like him to do. Name names so you can call him a ‘rat’?

    Please, let it die. We get, he is arrogant, you don’t like him, he is a jerk, but it’s not like the guy is Pol Pot or anything.

  59. Phil February 17th, 2009 at 3:46 pm

    It’s pretty funny when people decide how other people should spend their money.

  60. CaptainsCorner February 17th, 2009 at 3:46 pm

    Pettitte was talking to the feds last week in Washington about Clemens. Hopefully they don’t need him during the season.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....;type=lgns

  61. randy l February 17th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    “Too bad the press (and you too Pete!) weren’t half as tough on the Messiah as they’re being on Alex… John McCain would be President today!”

    moron.

  62. YankeeFan4eva February 17th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    I think its BS that he needs to tell the press he was giving the money he would make to charity. If he feels that he will he would never have to tell the press today. Pete give me a break about that!!!! He said what he did and took responsibility and now we need to get over this crap and move onto the 103 other players whom are not named so the spotlight could be removed off A-Rod and let him concentrate on Baseball only.. Media people GET OVER YOURSELVES as there is nothing else to write in the world of baseball. Go write about why Hampton got injured again or why isn’t Ramirez signed yet??? Can we focus on the upcoming season!!!!!!

  63. jennifer February 17th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    Buster is a crack head. Said something to the effect that if Alex lied that maybe you’ll have the Federal authorities get involved. HUH? I didn’t realize he was under oath.

  64. Carl February 17th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    lol at wang

  65. John February 17th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    His pause before he thanked his teammates was hilarious.

  66. Chris February 17th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    Just cause he didn’t donate money right away doesn’t mean he won’t. I’m sure even if he did right now the media would just write it off as “Alex trying to buy his way out of this.” I’m sure he will make a generous monetary donation as well as some facetime for anti-steroids issues.

  67. Paulie February 17th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    Pete:

    Give A-rod a break on not donating money to Horton or any campaign against steroid use from the outset. If his people are smart, they will do their homework on choosing the right foundation before making a major announcement. As a PR professional I think it would be wise for his advisors to put together a 4 to 5 month plan that includes this initial stage followed by a major donation of some sort (Horton), then announce that his incentive bonuses will go towards an exisiting campaign against steroid abuse and then cap it off by teaming up with the Obama Administration in some type of “drug” awareness campaign that reaches out to all levels of athletics (pop, hs, and college).

  68. Espresso February 17th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    The people that are holding on to this “why did you take it for three years…” attack are grasping now. Giambi got press for wearing a gold thong! That they apparently shared. How the hell does that improve your performance? Did the mustache make him stronger? Personally I think the stories of shared under wear do more to shame the game than Arod.

    He said he’s not sure if they used it right. That he felt that he had more energy. It could have been a placebo effect. That sounds consistent to me. What do you want him to say? “It was awesome. I could pick up a car and run faster than a jet! It made me better than the Bambino. Kids, run down to the Carribean today and pick some up.”

  69. TartanNYY February 17th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    Nick in SF – I answered your question in the original post after the video blog, but that’s probabaly 3-4 pages back now so you probabaly didn;t see it.. I am not american in the slightest, just a long-time scottish Yankees fan

  70. Confucius February 17th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    “and RSN territory is doing its best to tip the poll in the other direction!”

    And a large portion of the Yankee fanbase, which is larger than the Red Sox fanbase, isn’t doing its best to tip it in the positive direction? Because RS fans are biased … but Yankee fans aren’t? Site polls like that are a waste of time, since they always boil down to Fan vs. Fan party lines.

    I’m a Yankee fan (not that I expect you to believe that, but whatever), and I thought the PC was a whole lot of garbage from A-Rod.

    This isn’t the media creating controversy either. I’d love nothing more than for the media to get lost and for the stories this spring to be Jorge’s recovery and Mariano’s health and CC and Tex’s arrival. The media doesn’t create the controversy. A-Rod does.

  71. Chris V February 17th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    A-LIE, does anyone really believe that Mr. Rodriguez injected steroids (which he refers to as an energy booster) into his body without knowing the effects they could potentially have

    Rodriguez tested positive for Primobolan and Testosterone, which is a classic steroid stack very similar to deca-durabolin which is one of the drugs Barry Bonds reportedly took

    These drugs are not energy boosters, they are designed to give a significant increase in both strength and size, furthermore they are to be injected 1 to 2 times per week (not twice a month)

    if i know this from 10 mins of internet research, do we really think A-rod, someone whose body is worth hundreds of millions of dollars, did not know this before injecting these substances into his body

  72. Laura - Standing behind Alex! February 17th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    I haven’t watched it yet. Not sure that I want to. I did look at the picture and I saw Joba, Hideki, Chien Ming Wang and an assortment of other players there. Nice of them to show their support. And they all had a look on their face as if they were attending a funeral so the appropriate sentiment looks to be there as well.

    As I’ve said in previous posts, if people want to live in some fantasy land and believe that this is going to bring an end to the circus, they are in for a huge disappointment. The fact that other 200 media outlets were there tells you that this nightmare will never end.

  73. Doreen February 17th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    Alex’s story may not be perfect, but he hasn’t run away entirely from the truth. Exactly where does Bonds still stand on the accusations that he used steroids?

  74. Paulie February 17th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    Meant Hooten, not Horten.

  75. Bob(The Original) February 17th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    Right, and if he presented Hooten with a giant check for $1 mil., every talking head would be calling him a phony for trying to buy his way out this.

    I was taught along time ago that real charity is the stuff you do when everyone isn’t watching.

  76. Uncle Ellsworth February 17th, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    where’s the poll?

  77. CaptainsCorner February 17th, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    The captain showing Arod some love…

    http://www.daylife.com/photo/09I6eGN0BRbf2/yankees

  78. declineoptions07 February 17th, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    Amazing – and if he says “I am going to donate $20 million to the charity, media types like urself would be clamoring that he can’t buy his way out of this. Money means nothing to a man with as much as alex. His time means something. If u can’t recognize that then you have issues. Classic damned if you do damned if you don’t.

  79. Thomas February 17th, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    Another anti-Alex post by Pete…. what’s new?

    I’ve come to expect nothing less….

  80. FranWoe February 17th, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    Really hard to believe what comes out of his mouth. His credibility is zero. If you think this is the end of the issue give your head a shake. This will dog us all season – especially if AROID starts the season with a slump or the Yankees are struggling.

  81. Brandon (CC/AJ/Marky Mark..4 DAYS& PEDS !) Now batting #6 Alex Rodriguez February 17th, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    http://www.newsday.com/media/p.....108414.jpg

    Why is Wang looking at Tex like that ?

  82. duh February 17th, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    “what’s the ” bolle” (sp?) stuff arod said they used?

    ever heard of it?”

    isn’t this mind-numbingly obvious that it is the very substance he tested positive for, primaBOLIn????

    this isn’t rocket science.

  83. rbizzler February 17th, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    Hi Randy,

    I think that Bolle = Primobolan.

  84. Bronx Jeers February 17th, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    Arod’s cousin? I think I’ve got an idea who it is. And if I am right, we’re not just dealing with an average steroid pusher. This could stretch down to South America and across the Andes’.

    http://tinyurl.com/5urd52

  85. John February 17th, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    WHO DID AROD KILL??? A BUS LOAD OF CHILDREN????

    WHY IS EVERYONE SO UPSET???

    Oh. He took a PED 5 years ago. wow…

  86. Nick in SF February 17th, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    Cool, Tartan. No, I didn’t see the original reply. How did you become a Yankee fan? Where in Scotland do you live?

  87. RMS February 17th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    Arod-”I was young and stupid.”

    Arod now is old and stupid. He injected steroids for 3 years and had no idea if it helped him.

    His cousin convinced him to do it. Arod was making 25 million a year and was taking injections that he knew nothing about.

    He did play almost every game in his 3 years with Texas in oppressive heat, so maybe his steroid cheating helped.

    Now the press will be looking for his cousin.

  88. adam February 17th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    does anyone have a link to watch the entire press conference? i was in class

  89. Confucius February 17th, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    “if i know this from 10 mins of internet research, do we really think A-rod, someone whose body is worth hundreds of millions of dollars, did not know this before injecting these substances into his body”

    Forget the internet. I knew about them in middle school. We were taught about them in health class. If I ever saw someone sticking a needle into his body in the locker room, I wouldn’t have many doubts about what he was doing.

    A 25 year old pro athlete sticking it into his own body had doubts?

  90. E to the P February 17th, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    Peter,

    You do realize that the words ‘contrived’ and ‘phony’ are synonymous, right? Was that a mistake or were you being sarcastic?

  91. S.A.-The 2009 MLB season is almost here February 17th, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    I need a drink after that thing

  92. TartanNYY February 17th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    Chris V

    I said this in the previous topic. The trend with any drug is that you rarely know the complete composition of what you are taking. I’m really not surprised by him suggesting that he was unsure of what it was.

  93. Brandon (CC/AJ/Marky Mark..4 DAYS& PEDS !) Now batting #6 Alex Rodriguez February 17th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    http://cache.daylife.com/image.....C/340x.jpg

    look away they’re hugging !

  94. randy l February 17th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    “I think that Bolle = Primobolan.”

    rbizzler-

    thank you. makes sense, but then if it’s not a mix, how does that explain the other steroid that arod supposedly tested positive with?

    or is it sold in a mix of the two in the D.R. ?

  95. Brandon (CC/AJ/Marky Mark..4 DAYS& PEDS !) Now batting #6 Alex Rodriguez February 17th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    http://cache.daylife.com/image.....2/610x.jpg

    Apocalypse !

  96. pat February 17th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    Believe him or not, A-Rod has taken more accountability for anything that happened in the steroid era including Bud, MLBPA and any other player who has tested positive.

    He doesn’t het a pass for that but he does have an opportunity to make a positive out of it that others don’t seem as willing to embrace.

  97. Phil February 17th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    The people who are trying to figure out how steroids effected the numbers in baseball haven’t been able to discern the exact degree. Why would a player who’s not studying the data have any better idea. ARod’s numbers look fine in the context of the rest of his career.

  98. Tarheelyank February 17th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    Hey Confused

    Which one these quotes needs explaining

    ” I experimented with a banned substance that triggered a positve test result”

    “Going back to 2001 my cousin told me about a substance that you could buy over the counter known as bolle”

    “it was his understanding that it would give me a dramatic energy boost and was other wise harmless.”

    “My cousin and I, one more ignorant then the other decided it was a godd idea to start taking it.”

  99. Laura - Standing behind Alex! February 17th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    I would have preferred that Hal was there, not Hank. Hank should be working at Home Depot. :P

  100. trisha - Want the truth? Read Canseco's book. February 17th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    Uncle -

    http://sports.espn.go.com/chat.....8;sCat=332

    Please be sure to view the map so you can see the greatest disparity in terms of believing Alex comes from – NEW ENGLAND!!!!

    :lol:

  101. TartanNYY February 17th, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    Nick in SF – became a yankee fan prety early on, 5-6 years old. Live in Dundee, but at university in Edinburgh

  102. lardin February 17th, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    am sick of all these holier than thou writers, asking for an apology from A-rod.

    I want an apology from you.

    If sports reporters had done their job 15 years ago, we might not be in this mess.

    To all sports writers reading this blog you are just as much to blame for the steroid era as the Union, MLB, the players and Bud Selig.

  103. CaptainsCorner February 17th, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    Let me guess the media would say that Jeter didn’t want to hug Arod but the Yanks made him do it.

  104. S.A.-The 2009 MLB season is almost here February 17th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    http://cache.daylife.com/image.....2/610x.jpg

    Apocalypse !

    =============================

    What is going on with Jeter’s hair? Thin!

  105. Peter Abraham February 17th, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    Lardin:

    While I agree that the media didn’t cover the steroids era well at all, how they are responsible for it? That doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.

  106. murphydog February 17th, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    I posted this in the last thread, but it goes here too:

    Once you agree to answer questions from the media, you better not lie. Reporters are not your family and they are not your friends, and although some of them are more hard edged than others, they have a job to do the parameters of which are not dictated by the comfort level of the public or the person on the hot seat. Better to decline to answer questions than get everybody gathered for your presser and then prevaricate or pussyfoot around.

    Alex may have done better today than he did with Gammons, but I can tell you as a former prosecutor (and present criminal defense lawyer), Alex would not survive cross examination. Doesn’t mean he is lying, but his version of the truth is clearly a work in progress and that will continue to draw fire.

  107. dennis-costanza(sox fan) February 17th, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    The best thing that happened today in my opinion was the number of Yankess present at the press conference. That is a good sign of early team chemistry and support. I just do not see how this will be a negative for the Yankee season. I agree with Ham that he did resonably well (after all he did not graduate from let’s say…Berkeley) and if things check out from today then it should not be a huge distarction to the team.

    I think if Arod starts the season strong then Yankee fans will be supporting him loudly at the new stadium. He always gets a hard time on the road and he performs well so that will be nothing new.

    Today was a victory IMO for the club if there are no more major revelations.

    Have a good afternoon. -dennis

  108. circus lover February 17th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    Shorter PeteAbe: Yeah, we didn’t call in that burning building (which we walked past every day for, like, gee, two decades) to the fire department, but how are we at all responsible for it? WE didn’t throw the matches! (but please buy this illustrated account of how the building looked as it crashed to the ground…oooh, and buy this other leather-bound story of the building crushing a puppy…)

  109. bodhisattva February 17th, 2009 at 4:08 pm

    Yankeehottie
    February 17th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
    He didnt donate any money?? Ummm, wheres my gun?

    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

    LMAO! This is priceless. What a bunch of crap this all is. ARod should have said “I used and I ain’t sorry. Now leave me in peace!”

  110. dave February 17th, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    I think GNC would be forced to remove subsrances that showed up positive in a drug test. yOU CANT sell things at stores that would force costumers to test positive – as soon as that happened, the product would be removed from the store.

    i KNOW there is a lot of gray area but steroids that we talk about – anabolic steroids and the real steroids are very different. We talk about the anabolic steroids that help increase muscle mass when in fact there are hundreds of steroids and many classes. Cholesterol is a class of steroids – you can find that in any supermarket.

    Cholic acid- the bile that we use to digest fat in our intestines is a steroid. Estrogen and progesterone in the female menstrual cycle are steroids. Of course, GNC could have substances with steroids in them but i just dont think they have many if anything with anabolic steroids.

    Glucocotricoids like Cortisol is a steroid used in cortisone shots to reduce inflammation. GCs like Prednisone is a steroid taken to counteract autoimmune problems. Then, there are the MC steroids to control blood pressure. So in total, steroids can be used for muscle mass but also for about a million other reasons.

  111. Nick in SF February 17th, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    Brandon: the caption to that photo is “thanks for covering for me, ‘cuz’.”

    Tartan: cool, I’ve always enjoyed my visits to Edinburgh. Dundee I only drove through on the way to Cruden Bay.

  112. jon February 17th, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    “Says today he did some mysterious over-the-counter drug from the Dominican with an unnamed cousin. At one point today A-Rod said the drug gave him energy. Then he said he wasn’t sure what he did.”

    This isn’t at all what he said. He said that he knows many things in baseball are half mental, and that he felt he had more energy but that could have just been a placebo effect, which he then explained using his awkward “glass of water” analogy.

    Pete you’re in a good position to get lots of info to the fans but you destroy your credibility every time you throw these ridiculous biases into your reporting.

  113. Bob(The Original) February 17th, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    While I agree that the media didn’t cover the steroids era well at all, how they are responsible for it? That doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.

    —————————-

    He said blame not responsible.

    If steroids were as rampant as we are being told now, then the reporters who spent so much time in these clubhouses should have had an idea something was going on. Instead of glorifying McGwire/Sosa in ’98, they should have been asking, “How is this happening?”

    Reporters always say their job is to find the truth. They sure did drop the ball on this one.

    And now are making up for it with all this absurd moral outrage.

  114. Laura - Standing behind Alex! February 17th, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    Who was the idiot that asked Alex how parents were supposed to talk to their kids about him profiting from this? He didn’t identify himself. I want to know who he is so that I can egg his car. :P

  115. trisha - Want the truth? Read Canseco's book. February 17th, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    This is even funnier! The number of people from Massachusetts who voted is almost equal to the number of people from Texas who voted!

    Now look at the disparity in size of the two states.

    :lol:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/chat.....8;sCat=332

  116. Phil February 17th, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    “It’s beyond reason that anybody would be “young and stupid” enough to inject themselves with a drug so many times unless it was helping them in some way.”

    Really Pete? Don’t players wear those idiotic titanium necklaces because they think they help them despite the fact that there’s no scientific evidence to support that claim?

    http://scienceline.org/2008/10.....-necklace/

    Where did A-Rod get his degree in medicine, physiology or biochemistry? How would he know that whatever he was doing was helping him outside of his own subjective feelings? Even the statistical data is inconclusive

    http://www.sabernomics.com/sab.....rformance/

    and A-Rod ain’t no Bill James.

    Question for you – if it’s “beyond reason that someone could be young and stupid enough” to keep doing something unless it was “helping him” then how do you explain why Fred Wilpon kept investing with Bernie Madoff? And Fred isn’t young or stupid.

  117. Tom February 17th, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    Off topic, but when did they change the back of the penny? I got one today that has a log cabin on the back..

  118. Who Cares February 17th, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    Dave – that is not true at all. It depends on who is testing you and what their policy is for. A person could fail a test for one company/organization by taking a certain substance, another person could pass a test for taking the same substance by a different organization. GNC has no control over what is banned by a certain organization. GNC can sell anything that is legal. Hell, they sell products to help you pass a drug test.

    Further, it was known among college programs that you could buy 5 specific products legally from GNC and combined, those products could produce steroid results. (Disclaimer: one of those products was ephedrine, which is now illegal and was an ingredient in Ripped Fuel)

  119. Confucius February 17th, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    “Which one these quotes needs explaining”

    Well, start with this:

    “Who the *$#& is this cousin, and why are you letting him make all the relevant decisions about a substance that you’re putting into your body, without asking any questions, specifically of people with your team who were qualified to answer such questions? Do you really care that little about the health and condition of your body and anything that might affect it in any way whatsoever?”

    If ‘confused’ means asking questions and not just swallowing every spoonful A-Rod and his advisors shove into my mouth, then ‘confused’ it is.

  120. trisha - Want the truth? Read Canseco's book. February 17th, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    “Off topic, but when did they change the back of the penny? I got one today that has a log cabin on the back..”

    Not sure but it’s probably Alex’s fault!

  121. Joey H February 17th, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    He wasn’t sure what he took with Gammons because he wasn’t sure what went through with the test. So lets not split hairs.

  122. gayle February 17th, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    what the chance that after today we can have a free arod and steroids blog??

  123. Nick in SF February 17th, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    gayle: somewhere in the neighborhood of 0%, give or take.

  124. Bob(The Original) February 17th, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    gayle
    February 17th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
    what the chance that after today we can have a free arod and steroids blog??

    ———————–

    Slim and none.

  125. rbizzler February 17th, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    Randy, the other steroid was good old testosterone. I am no expert, but I have seen that it is partnered with Primobolan to enhance the effect.

    I am impressed that the media is managing to turn A-Rod into a sympathetic figure. Good work, ladies and gents!

  126. dan aka god February 17th, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    WHO CARES… NO ONE. THE MEDIA CARES 100 TIMES MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE DOES. ITS BASEBALL SEASON!!!!

  127. Tarheelyank February 17th, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    Confucius your not.

    Read the quotes, and get off your high horse.

  128. Laura - Standing behind Alex! February 17th, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    Did anyone translate the question that was asked in spanish?

  129. 86w183 February 17th, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    Pete I think the point is that the failure to report on and expose the steroid explosion circa 1996-99 allowed it to last many years longer than it would have if the McGuire andro story had been followed up on with legit investigative reporting.

    The media didn’t cause the steroid era any more than it caused the US to invade Iraq… but the failure of the media to do its job in the run up to war allowed it to go ahead just as the cheerleading of 1998 encouraged more and more players to experiment with various chemicals.

  130. irene February 17th, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    Why is it always someone elses fault with Arod. Why can’t he just take the blame. His cousin? He LET his cousin inject him. Enough already. He’s a noose around the Yankees neck. We will never win with him on the team. Thats my opinion – but its looking more like a fact every day. Brosius where are you ….

  131. Peter Abraham February 17th, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    Phil:

    Please tell me you’re comparing shooting drugs into tour veins into wearing a bracelet. You’re not really doing that, are you?

    Meanwhile you don’t understand a Ponzi Scheme. Wilpon kept investing because he kept making money. Madoff was taking newly invested money and passing it off as profits.

  132. dave February 17th, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    Who cares,

    My point was – gnc does not and can not sell any illegal anabolic steroids. You can go to the local drug store – buy certain drugs and trip harder than taking acid but that doesnt mean it is illegal. And what companies test for drugs that are legal? How do they determine what to test for if it isnt by law?

  133. Patrick February 17th, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    “Please tell me you’re comparing shooting drugs into tour veins into wearing a bracelet. You’re not really doing that, are you? ”

    There isn’t much difference Pete. Neither have been proven to help performance but players use both because they believe that they help.

  134. dave February 17th, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    Did wilpon really come away making money pete or did he just think he was making money? Usually the investor reinvests so much of the profit in a ponzi scheme that they just think they are money based on the books and never actually see any of it.

  135. Confucius February 17th, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    “Confucius your not.

    Read the quotes, and get off your high horse.”

    Ok. And you just accept the ‘young and stupid’ angle as if an image-conscious multi-millionaire professional athlete in his mid-20′s is going to let his cousin inject him with a drug for three years without doing *any* kind of digging into what kind of drug it is or if he’s even using it right. Assume A-Rod got himself into the prestigious position he’s in in this sport being *that* irresponsible.

    It’s ‘you’re not,’ btw, not ‘your not.’ If you’re going to try to insult my intelligence, at least get it right.

  136. G. Love February 17th, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    I think the thing, to me, that smacks of insincerity about today is the fact that he’s admitting to using it 2x a month for a long period of time but then not admitting it was cheating and claiming to not know if it did anything for him.

    Folks, I took that Xenadrine/ephedra stuff they used to sell at GNC. It’s akin to the Ripped Fuel Arod was talking about. At the time it was legal speed and a lot of people were taking it.

    After 2 months on it, I dropped over 40 pounds. I ate less because it made me want to eat less. I exercised harder than I ever did in my life. It had effects.

    I also woke up night with palpation feeling my blood pump through my head. It was got so bad that I put my head sideways on my pillow, I could hear and feel my pulse pounding in my ear.

    Thus I stopped it. It was banned months later as we all know.

    The thing is, I knew it was working and giving me an energy boost and fat burning advantage over not using it.

    I don’t believe for one second that Arod didn’t notice the stuff he pumping in his rear end gave him an edge. If he didn’t think it did, he would have stopped using it.

    I would believe him if he said he stopped using because the side effects started to scare them as they scared me out of continuing with Xenadrine.

    I don’t believe this “I don’t really know if it worked and I used it for 3 years and I probably used it wrong so maybe it didn’t do anything” excuse we were handed today.

    The guy lies. He lies to the fans, he lies to himself and that’s cool.

    Not everyone has the cojones to tell the truth all the time. Some people I’ve met in life are even programmed to lie or to exaggerate even when they want to tell the truth. It happens. We’re human.

    I just hope he doesn’t get caught in any other major lies.

    If he hasn’t used since 2003 good. I would think the testing in place in MLB and the WBC would have caught him by now.

    I’ll give him the slight benefit of the doubt for the time he’s been a Yankee.

    But Arod needs to clear all the skeletons out of his closet if he hasn’t already.

    It sucks that he’s a public figure and this goes with the fame, but that’s the world we live in.

    The reason why you and I aren’t being scrutinized like this is because we don’t make 27 million a year and weren’t known as the best in the game.

    He’s held to a different standard.

    I just hope this is it. I know there are some inconsistencies and fuzzy things that came out of today, but I hope he was more honest than dishonest. If he was evasive but honest overall I can handle it I guess.

    I do think today should be required viewing for every professional athlete out there as a deterrent to using PED’s from here on in.

    The Yankees should have made every minor leaguer at camp show up and watch what Arod had to go through for taking PED’s.

    The real question is if some of them still would say it was worth it if they could get the contracts Arod has gotten in his career.

  137. Lara08 February 17th, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    “I would have preferred that Hal was there, not Hank. Hank should be working at Home Depot.”

    Laura why are you insulting Home Depot employees?

  138. JoshWhite February 17th, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    Here is something that we know: Alex is not a smart person. I don’t mean naive, I mean stupid. He just…cannot think well. For evidence of this, think back to the question regarding questions of past and future use. AROD was intending to demonstrate that he has been consistent throughout his career by saying that he ‘had his best year when he was 20 and his other best year was when he was….(pause to calculate his current age minus two…nope, can’t think of it…uhhhh….) in 2007′ Not only does that not answer the question effectively, he couldn’t process numbers.

    —And I’m not picking on him. This is in defense.

    Everyone who is criticizing him will not be happy unless he comes out and says “I am stupid. I cheated on my wife. I cheated in baseball and I understand if I don’t make it to the Hall of Fame because of that. I care way too much about what other people think about me. I used steroids to both make people like me more and to be better at baseball. My insecurities, which can be hastened back to an early age when I realized that the only things I am good at in life is being great at baseball and being above average in looks, make me do a lot of unthinkable things like the aforementioned cheating, as well as choking in the big spot. I slept with Madonna and the stripper in Toronto because I am insecure. I messed up my marriage and my career because I am insecure. I listen to everyone else about what I should do because I do not have the confidence to think for myself. This usually gets me into even more trouble. I lie a lot because I do not know how to tell the truth. Oh yeah, I am also going to congress tomorrow to testify about everything I’ve ever heard about steroids and all the people I saw talk about taking steroids. Hank is the real king. I am sorry. You should all hate me.”

    Since that is not going to happen, let it go.

  139. dan aka god February 17th, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    wow, all this unadded value, still no one cares except the media.

    if any of you keep calling the fan or espn radio all day and keep this as the main topic, i strongly dislike you for ruining ny sports radio

  140. dave February 17th, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    Pete,

    How did he say today that it was a mysterious drug – he actually said the name of the drug. Doesnt that take the mystery out of it? Further, we all already knew it was primbolin from the story.

    Futher, the drug did not actually have to help him to get him to continue using it. His cousin could have said it takes a long time to build up in your system before you see any actual effects so he just kept doing it. hE COULD have thought that there was some effect of it as he said it is a lot mental which is TRUE. He could have just assumed that if he cycled off of it, it may lead to some negative effects. hE COULD have gone to the gym more while taking it and thought that it was the drug when it was actually a chance in lifestyle and mindset from taking it. His cousin could have said it was really helping him and convinced arod that it actually had some positive effects even if he didnt feel them that much. It could have given him an actual energy boost that he thought was enough of a benefit to continue using.

    Plus, I think he said it was supposed to give him an energy boost but he didnt know exacltly what it did. And maybe it gave him a boost but he couldnt explain how that helped him improve his baseball game. It is not so easy to desribe the effects of things unless you are the one actually taking it – if you ask someone on adderall how it helps them study better, they wont always give you a good or meaningful answer even if they have been taking it for quite some time. Some people dont know how a drug effects them, they just know that it is doing something.

  141. Harold February 17th, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    Its so stupid that the whole Katie Couric interview keeps being brought up. Yes, he lied about it. He’s admitted that. Tim Geithner lied about his taxes until it was uncovered. If you do something wrong, its general human nature to try and hide it unless you HAVE to fess up. I wouldn’t really expect anything different from anybody, from A-rod to Obama.

    The timeline that you post is irrelevant. He lied to Katie Couric yes, but at least he didn’t perjure himself in front of Congress like a handful of others. I applaud him for coming out and admitting his PED use to Gammons within 2 days of the report, before he could conceivably gather all the information and form a game plan for how to handle a PR and personal disaster.

    The media more than anyone tends take quotes and use them in a context beneficial for them rather than the actual context. He acknowledged that the drugs gave him energy. And then later, he said he wasn’t sure in response to HOW MUCH it helped or HOW HE WOULD QUANTIFY the positive effects. I don’t think he ever denied that there were some benefits, but asking him to quantify the effects is a little unfair (considering he didn’t play those exact same seasons off the PEDs as well). Ok, maybe its not an unfair question, but its unfair to chide him for not giving a detailed response. Maybe he wasn’t as forthright and explicit in saying that they helped him as one would’ve liked, but why would he do that?

  142. Doreen February 17th, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    GLove -

    Two things you said just made me feel, well, sad.

    First, that we hope he was more honest than dishonest. Think about that.

    And second, your final question. I’d bet many would say it is still worth the risk. ARod’s made a lot of money before he got caught. If what a guy wants is money, they’ll take the risk. If the guy wanted to be known as the best, like ARod, well, ARod might still end up with the best numbers, but they won’t be respected.

  143. dave February 17th, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    g LOVE,

    The only thing i didnt like about arods conference is that he didnt say it was wrong. Even if he didnt think it was wrong because it wasnt against the rules of baseball at the time, he is clearly apologizing and sorry for doing it now so he might as well say he thought it was wrong. If he didnt think it was wrong, why is he even apologizing? Fact is, he does think it was wrong, he just thinks it probably wasnt wrong at the time because so many others were using and no one seemed to care. And frankly, that is the commiss and the media to blame for not even caring one bit about this when players were using back then. How do they expect the player to feel like it was a horrible thing when no one else seemed to think that way back then? But he culd have said he realized now it was wrong – i think he does he just didnt say it. The point is, he does think what he did was wrong but the culture around the game was such at the time that back then, it didnt seem wrong.

  144. 86w183 February 17th, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    No question Alex’ intelligence is at issue in all of this.

    You used to be able to buy Andro at GNC (don’t know about now)and while it is not itself an anabolic steroid, the body metabolizes it into one. My understanding is that there are other such “precursors” which are not illegal byut would lead to a positive test. That’s why so many OTC products are on the banned list.

    Lots of companies test of alcohol, which is legal and for stimulants which may or may not be.

  145. Neil February 17th, 2009 at 4:38 pm

    I was amused when the lady asked to address her question in Spanish and A-Rod replied in Spanish.
    He should have answered every question in Spanish.

  146. Tarheelyank February 17th, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    Confucius

    You don’t get it.

    I don’t care what he did 6 years ago.

    I don’t care about you righteous indignation.

    He’s a baseball player; I care if he hits the ball.

  147. Lara08 February 17th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Grr, I think I know why my post got ate in the filter. Anywho, loved Johnny Damon saying, though its wrong, there are worse things. He was asked why and he said, the “M” word for taking someone’s life. (I don’t know what will get caught in the filter, lol).

    I would have added touching minors too.

  148. Confucius February 17th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    “I don’t care what he did 6 years ago.

    I don’t care about you righteous indignation.”

    Then why the hell are you pulling out quotes for the PC and asking me what my problem with them is? You only care about the game? Grand. Good for you. Move on. Nothing to see here. But the ‘discussion’ suggests you care at least a little.

    I care. I care about the fact that he’s being evasive about things he did 6 years ago, because that gives me no reason to believe he isn’t being evasive about what he’s doing now. If it’s revealed that he purchased steroids during the 2007 season, what will we get? “Those were steroids? I had no idea. My Aunt Nelly told me they would soothe my sore muscles.” And, like it or not, this stuff affects what happens on the field, which is why I care.

  149. Peace-man February 17th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    …It was a no win situation for Alex,whatever he told us.
    He will still be call a liar,etc…But YES,he got the “cojones”(balls) to stand there and tell the story,if you believe it or not,does not matter,he still the best hitter in basebal today and im glad hes wearing a Yankees uniform.

  150. Glenn February 17th, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    Outstanding post, G. Love . . .

    Now if only the culprit himself could read it, he might take a turn for the better. It’s his call.

  151. felix February 17th, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    I’m just wondering …Pete do edit your posts after dated it. I mean Do you take things out of your posts without making reference to its removal. Or am I crazy….

  152. hardwired February 17th, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    I kept waiting in vain for Peter Gammons’ question: “Who do you think has more grit, Jed Lowrie or John Lester?”

  153. Yankeehottie February 17th, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    Just some random facts…

    Having studied Kabbalah, a true Kabbalist makes donations or performs acts of charity and does NOT make this public knowledge because they believe getting any recognition for this counters the actual act

    BUT…

    Any good PR rep would have told him that the first thing he should do is make a large donation to that foundation and then leak it out. This is all about saving his image.

    I’m guessing Alex cares about his image a little more than Kabbalah….

    The red string is also used in Spanish cultures as a form of protection as well.

  154. Phil February 17th, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    Pete Abraham said:

    “Please tell me you’re [I believe you left out a "not" here - Phil] comparing shooting drugs into tour veins into wearing a bracelet. You’re not really doing that, are you?”

    Of course not. The point, which you avoided, concerns A-Rod’s perception of whether or not the drugs were aiding his performance. He may have thought it was helping him bout how could he have possibly made a valid assessment of that? You clearly implied was that he kept taking the drugs because he had some objective way of knowing for sure that they helped – you have no foundation for that statement. In fact, critical analysis of his performance showed that the effects were actually modest or illusory:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

    In this respect, A-Rod’s perception of the benefits of his use of PEDs is really no different than many players’ perception of the benefits of those silly necklaces and bracelets.

    By the way, steroids are not administered intravenously but by intramuscular injection.

    Pete also said:

    “Meanwhile you don’t understand a Ponzi Scheme. Wilpon kept investing because he kept making money. Madoff was taking newly invested money and passing it off as profits.”

    Once again, you’re avoiding the point which is that A-Rod’s failure to do due diligence on the drugs he took is not necessarily “beyond reason”. Wilpon’s involvement with Madoff is clearly a pertinent example.

    I understand how a Ponzi scheme works. While I don’t have the details of Wilpon’s account, the only way he could have made real profits is to withdraw money from his Madoff holdings on a regular basis and not reinvest them in those same funds. If Wilpon was doing so then his exposure would have been much less and if most Madoff investors had done so the scheme would have collapsed a long time ago.

    If Wilpon was being paid off with money from new investors, his additional investments were being used to pay off other investors making withdrawals. So he, like most Madoff clients, only had the illusion of making money and were content not to ask too many questions as long as Madoff provided what turned out to be rather transparently phony evidence that the illusion was real (at least, evidence that should have raised all sorts of red flags to a “sophisticated investor” like Wilpon).

    How is this different than a star ballplayer taking a PED he hasn’t researched sufficiently based on anecdotal knowledge that it boosts performance? Both are stupid, but neither is “beyond reason” since they both happened.

    Well, at least we agree that Joba should be in the rotation.

  155. Southern Yankee February 18th, 2009 at 12:22 am

    I realize why Hank couldn’t sit up front and show support. He must of had an early t-time that’s why he left the press conference early.

  156. lardin February 18th, 2009 at 9:43 am

    Pete,

    Its more the hypocrisy now that bothers me. Reporters running around looking for information on players who took steroids because it makes a good story or to tear down a player because it makes a good story. Why werent these questions asked in 1998-2003. Reporters as a whole missed the boat. There were questions going back to the strike in 1994. But no one asked the hard questions or did the investigative reporting thats been going on for the last couple of years. It just seems like the writers who I believe are the defenders of the game and the keeper of the hall of fame’s gates, Run around on their high horse taking shots at players either because they dont like the player like Bonds or they dont think hes being honest like Arod.
    Selena Roberts did a great job investigating her book and got a great story. Why didnt anyone do this in 1998? I guess thats my point.


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