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Posada making progress with shoulder

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Feb 22, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Most anybody can get a glove, stand 40 or 50 from somebody else and play a decent game of catch. But the further apart you get, the better test it becomes of your arm strength.

So it was a good sign that when Jorge Posada went through his throwing program today, he worked his way out to 220 feet. “I threw a lot today,” he said. “It feels a little better everyday. Tony (Pena) loves it and it feels good coming out of my hand. There’s no pain and I feel stronger.”

Posada estimates he’s at 85 percent. He wouldn’t be close to 100 percent at this point in the spring even without having had surgery, so that is a good sign.

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235 Responses to “Posada making progress with shoulder”

  1. m February 22nd, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    Is this the first time Jorge’s airing it out? He sounds more surpised than anything.

  2. Yanksfan February 22nd, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    that’s really great to hear…a healthy posada is a good posada…GO YANKEES GO.

  3. Torre's Terrors February 22nd, 2009 at 5:01 pm

    zell has some more photos:

    http://nyyankeesrumors.com/new.....ate-22209/

  4. 7*7 February 22nd, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    Posada = Key to season

  5. Melanconsetsup February 22nd, 2009 at 5:04 pm

    Yanks need Posada to be at least decent. If he hits 280 with 20 homers and drives in 85 runs, while throwing out maybe 30% behind the plate, I’m satisfied.

  6. Mark in Tampa February 22nd, 2009 at 5:05 pm

    Glad to see Jorge is throwing free and easy. However, as he tries to do more, he will probably have some sore days and some minor setbacks. Hopefully he can push through that and be close to 100% come opening day. Or at least healthy enough that 1st base isn’t just a temporary spot for the opposition.

  7. Teixeiramvp February 22nd, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    Just to mention-if Posada’s bad that would be a big, but not necessarily crippling, blow. I love Mark Teixeira, he’s going to have a great, maybe MVP season. He could possibly make up for it. (I am the same guy as Melanconsetsup-just wanted to show a little Teixeira support).

  8. Teixeiramvp February 22nd, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    Also, at least we know the Red Sox catcher is worse. What happened to Varitek? I remember him being really good.

  9. Teixeiramvp February 22nd, 2009 at 5:13 pm

    At least we know our catcher beats the Red Sox’s catcher. What happened to Varitek? I remember him being really good.

  10. RJPinstripes February 22nd, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    Now that’s also some great news coming out of ST.

  11. Rebecca-Optimist Prime...Staying to Write the Story February 22nd, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    This is the news you look for.

  12. Frankie speaking . . . February 22nd, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    Girardi will stay on the side of caution with Jorge in the early going by not overusing him but Jorge has been building arm and shoulder strength since January at the minor league complex.
    The warmer weather of May will be a help.

  13. Mark in Tampa February 22nd, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    What happened to Varitek?

    He is a couple years too old to be catching. Let’s hope Jorge can defy the odds for 3 more years. Or at least 2 years. Finding an heir apparent for 1 year is doable, but if the Yanks have to carry him for three years, that could get ugly.

  14. Doreen February 22nd, 2009 at 5:35 pm

    Fingers are definitely crossed that Posada keeps progressing; no setbacks.

  15. Phil February 22nd, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    What happened to Varitek? Testing.

  16. whozat February 22nd, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    “Yanks need Posada to be at least decent. If he hits 280 with 20 homers and drives in 85 runs, while throwing out maybe 30% behind the plate, I’m satisfied.”

    dude…that’s all-star (if not hall-of-fame) level performance for a catcher.

  17. Steve B February 22nd, 2009 at 5:48 pm

    “Also, at least we know the Red Sox catcher is worse. What happened to Varitek? I remember him being really good.”

    He’s still pretty good defensively. Can’t hit for shyte anymore though. Slow bat, especially left handed.

    One thing that would help Posada immensely is if the Yankees would put a premium on holding runners on base. Yankees have been #1 or #2 in stolen base attempts against the past two seasons. Stolen bases are generally on the pitchers moreso than the catcher and teams seem awfully comfortable running on our pitchers. Take Varitek. He throws out maybe 25% of would be stealers. He caught 300 innings more than Molina last year. Molina throws out 42% of would be basestealers, yet more guys attempted to steal in the 740 innings Molina caught (75) than did in the 1040 innings that Varitek caught(72). That tells me guys are running on the Yankee pitchers not the catchers.

  18. gmen21 February 22nd, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    Can someone help me out?

    I’m looking for some good websites that explain the numbers,meanings, and findings behind all these new and developing statistics and measurements that sabermetricians are using.

    Any good ones out there you guys know of?

  19. Mark in Tampa February 22nd, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    I think Texeira will help out with holding some of the faster runners close. The past 7 years or so, when Giambi was at first, a runner with speed knew he stood a good chance of making it to second if he was picked off. Tex is one of the better throwing 1st basemen, and runners won’t be able to get a great jump regardless of whether the pitcher goes home or to first. They will know that if they get picked at first, Tex will throw them out at second base.

  20. Betsy February 22nd, 2009 at 6:25 pm

    Baby steps for Posada – he’s making progress, and that’s good. The key is to let him progress at his own pace – if Jorge isn’t ready for the start of the season, so be it. The Yankees need to give him all the time he needs to finally be 100% healthy. Of course, Jorge may never be fully healthy again, but we’ll have to wait and see on that. If the Yankees have to subsist with Molina for awhile, so be it – they should have enough offense to cover him. On the other hand, there are some serious question marks. CF is a black hole of offense and I don’t have a lot of confidence in Matsui. In fact, I think he’s going to struggle on bad knees. I do have a lot of confidence in Cano bouncing back to the level of his ability, but he’s also a slow starter. Some guys are just that way and I don’t think much can be done about it. With Tex also being a slow starter, the Yankees are going to have to rely mainly on their pitching to see them through the first bunch of games.

  21. Old(handsome, charming and elegant)YanksFan February 22nd, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    Finally… a sane voice in the ARod debacle.

    “But before we get self-righteous, we should look in the mirror and ask ourselves whether exposing A-Rod, or any player for that matter, is worth stepping all over rights, privacy, confidentiality and anonymity.

    There is a lot of outrage out there about Alex. Not surprising. But what really surprises me is the lack of outrage about how a confidential and anonymous test could be made public. ”

    http://tinyurl.com/d32go2

  22. Phil February 22nd, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    finally, that’s from 2 weeks ago.

  23. Bo knows February 22nd, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    For anyone wishing to learn more about stats etc.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/

  24. S.A.-The 2009 MLB season is almost here February 22nd, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    Big Brother Mo:

    http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....r-brother/

  25. trisha - Want the truth? Read Canseco's book. February 22nd, 2009 at 6:39 pm

    By the way (and in case it hasn’t been reported) today the Providence Journal asked the following question:

    *Is Jonathan Papelbon the best closer in baseball?*

    Here is the heart of RSN the vote, so far is -

    YES – 44%

    NO – 56%

    And here are some of the comments:

    Doesn’t get them out 1,2,3.

    If you compare Papelbon and Mariano both in their prime, there is no way to make the comparison. Mariano is and will always be the best closer.

    Top 5 closer? Yes. He is a very good closer, but he isn’t as dominate as he was 3 or 4 years ago. He is still a great closer to have, especially for the money, but he is not the best out there… He may crack the top 3 in the AL.

    As long as Mo is active he’s the guy! And I’m a Red Sox fan.

    He’s good, but way over rated.

    He is second best behind Rivera.

    He thinks he is!

    I will still go with mariano

    Papelbon is very good but let’s not annoint him as best just yet,even though he thinks he’s best.

    No he’s the best self-promoter in baseball

    He’s not even in the top 5!! As far as cry babies, then YES he’s number 1!!

    He could be the best if he’d concentrate and stop acting like a hipster dufus with his new found fame.

    He couldn’t carry Mariano’s jock!

    Not even close. He isn’t even the best dancer in the MLB.

    No way he is a smart a– kid,with a big mouth!!!!!!

    In his own mind, maybe. And while he’s very, very, very good… to NOT be available for a game seven of the ALCS? Fairly selfish, wouldn’t you say? And what’s with the attitude about the money???

    :D :D :D

  26. Betsy February 22nd, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    Just a question regarding shoulder tendonitis, which Edwar was diagnosed with today. Is that just a general term that teams use for shoulder soreness or is it an actual condition that essentially can only be cured by rest? Apparently Edwar is going to be examined tomorrow – is that just for precautionary x-rays? I guess I’m confused as to why the diagnosis of tendonitis was made if Edwar hasn’t even seen a doctor yet……thanks!

  27. Clint February 22nd, 2009 at 7:04 pm

    updated Twitters:

    CC -

    worked on my cutter today

    Swisher -

    Watching the oscars. wanna bet Slumdog miilionaire wins hands down.

    thanks. I am so happy to be here

    working hard. love my hitting coach

  28. Giuseppe Franco February 22nd, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    This is completely off topic, but I’m wondering if the YES Network has considered televising more minor league games – especially Trenton and Scranton.

    I know they do televise the Staten Island Yankees once in a blue moon when that league gets underway after the draft – but with the sharp increase in fan interest in the farm system (and prospects in general) – you have to wonder when they are going to start televising more of these minor league games.

    Sadly, the only times I really get to watch Yankee minor leaguers is going to an actual game or watching Trenton on the road when they play Portland (Red Sox) on NESN.

    Again, I know this is way off topic – but it’s an issue I’ve raised quite a bit for the last couple of years.

    Watching Scranton and Trenton games would be a lot better programming for the network than replaying the Babe Ruth or Derek Jeter Yankeeography for the 100,000th time.

  29. Kevin February 22nd, 2009 at 7:09 pm

    http://www.fangraphs.com is an awesome site. Baseball-Reference.com is also sweet, although they lack quality defensive stats. A good place to go is sabr.org, the website for the Society of American Baseball Research.

  30. Weather Man February 22nd, 2009 at 7:12 pm

    Franco -

    I heard that they didn’t get any ratings for the few games they televised in 06, so they discontinued it. It does seem like a good idea now though especially since our farm system, especially at the lower levels, is stacked.

  31. Dave D February 22nd, 2009 at 7:13 pm

    –* Edwar Ramirez had to shut down his bullpen session after five pitches because of tendonitis in his right shoulder. He’s expected to be looked at by Dr. Allen Miller tomorrow. Ramirez felt a little discomfort, but said it’s a feeling that he experienced in his last three appearances last season.

    http://weblogs.newsday.com/spo.....kees/blog/

  32. Doreen February 22nd, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    Giuseppe Franco =

    I so agree with you. There’s so much, well, redundant programming on YES, and with the really huge interest in both the AA and AAA teams, both of which won championships last season, you would think it would be worth it to them to broadcast a few games of each. Throw us a few crumbs, if you will. :)

  33. TurnTables February 22nd, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    The YES Network, unlike SNY, seems content with doing the bare minimum. They are the #1 rated regional network in the country based on the Yankees games alone, so they don’t go above and beyond to add programming to keep up with their competitors. Francessa’s show also gets 10x the ratings that other networks’ mid-afternoon blocks get, so they win there too.

    SNY has to televise minor league games, SportsNight, plus 3 debate shows, Jets coverage, and Big East hoops just to stay in the ballpark as YES, though they will never get close. But atleast SNY offers diversified programs, not the same Yankeeography 10 times. Infact, I find myself watching SNY more than I do YES.

    Until YES is pushed, their non-Yankee game programs are going to be redundant.

  34. Doreen February 22nd, 2009 at 7:20 pm

    TurnTables-

    it’s really too bad; they’re making so much money, it seems they could afford a couple of cutting edge programming experiments.

    Oh, well.

  35. jennifer February 22nd, 2009 at 7:28 pm

    This was posted earlier but I thought it should be reposted since everyone thought the Yankees Photo day pictures stunk.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....y.html#ph0

  36. jennifer February 22nd, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    List of players still available.

    Moises Alou, LF 42
    Garret Anderson, LF
    Joe Beimel, RP 31
    Gary Bennett, C 36
    Ambiorix Burgos, RP
    Paul Byrd, SP
    Orlando Cabrera, SS
    Juan Cruz, RP
    Jairo Cuevas, SP
    Ray Durham, 2B 37
    Damion Easley, 2B
    Jim Edmonds, CF 38
    Scott Elarton, SP
    Keith Foulke, RP
    Nomar Garciaparra, SS
    Luis Gonzalez, LF
    Mark Grudzielanek, 2B
    Orlando Hernandez, SP
    Chuck James, SP
    Jon Lieber, RP
    Paul Lo Duca, C
    Aquilino Lopez, RP
    Pedro Martinez, SP
    Doug Mientkiewicz, 1B
    Mark Mulder, SP
    Will Ohman, RP
    Jay Payton, LF
    Sidney Ponson, SP
    Manny Ramirez, LF
    Dennys Reyes, RP
    Ricardo Rincon, RP
    Ivan Rodriguez, C
    Kenny Rogers, SP
    Curt Schilling, SP
    Frank Thomas, DHP
    Ron Villone, RP
    Matt Wise, RP

  37. Giuseppe Franco February 22nd, 2009 at 7:35 pm

    I heard that they didn’t get any ratings for the few games they televised in 06, so they discontinued it. It does seem like a good idea now though especially since our farm system, especially at the lower levels, is stacked.

    ———–

    Yeah, that’s not surprising. But it’s obvious, three years later, that there is a significant interest in the farm system that just wasn’t evident in 2006.

    I could see them trying it again – and the diehard fans certainly hope they do. It seems to work for NESN.

    I mean, the front office struck out big time on Carl Pavano and Kei Igawa – but those bad experiences aren’t going to prohibit them from ever taking a hard look at another pitcher with a history of health issues or another Japanese pitcher.

    It’s an experiment that could pay off for them big time.

  38. Phil February 22nd, 2009 at 7:35 pm

    Giussepe,

    YES’s old Minor League Mondays did terribly for them in the ratings and they had trouble finding sponsors. That was, of course, when we had a bunch of scrubs in Columbus, and before we started seeing the re-committment to the farm that’s been going on for the past few years. Hopefully, they’ll give it another try, but so far they have steadfastly refused.

  39. jennifer February 22nd, 2009 at 7:36 pm

    Just saw something interesting. Texas and Toronto didn’t sign any players to Major League deals.

  40. jennifer February 22nd, 2009 at 7:37 pm

    Maybe we need to email Yes and tell them we are interested in watching minor league games?

  41. m February 22nd, 2009 at 7:44 pm

    Garret Anderson signed a 1-yr deal with Atlanta today.

  42. gayle February 22nd, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    At least Atlanta finally got a free agent

  43. m February 22nd, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    gayle,

    Agreed. I felt sorry for them, they had a snakebit offseason.

    Wait, didn’t they get Lowe? Haha. Talk about under the radar.

    And what happened with Ollie Perez?

  44. Doreen February 22nd, 2009 at 7:56 pm

    Ollie Perez resigned with the Mets. :)

  45. m February 22nd, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    Doreen,

    Oops. Thanks for that. I guess that move was off the radar. :)

  46. Tex's New Best Friend February 22nd, 2009 at 8:06 pm

    At least Atlanta finally got a free agent

    Braves signed Derek Lowe earlier…

  47. Boston Dave February 22nd, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    From Chad Jennings excellent blog:

    “Brett Gardner

    In camp to battle head-to-head against Melky Cabrera for the starting job in center field.

    Likely to end up as the opening day center fielder in New York. As I’ve said before, I think he’ll win the job.

    Worth knowing that Gardner has a history of slow but inevitable adjustments at each level. He spent half of 2006 in Double-A and hit .272. When he returned to Trenton in 2007 he hit .300 while raising his slugging percentage 101 points and his on-base percentage 40 points. Bumped up to Triple-A at the end of 2007, he hit .260. When he returned to Triple-A last year Gardner’s average went up to .296 while his slugging percentage climbed 91 points and his on-base percentage went up 71 points. In New York last year he hit .228 for the season, but .294 in his final 25 games.”

    http://community.thetimes-trib.....lders.aspx

  48. Doreen February 22nd, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    The problem with this MLBN 30/30 show on the Yankees is that most of us here have heard all this before. Nothing new so far. In fact, I think we’ve discussed more here. I think it will be more interesting to watch the 30/30 on other teams.

  49. Giuseppe Franco February 22nd, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    Speaking of the minor leaguers, it appears the good beat writers like Pete, Kepner, Feinsand, and even Brian Hoch all have pieces today on Mark Melancon.

    This is why these younger beat writers who blog regularly are far ahead of the “old guard” reporters like Sherman, King, Madden, and Klapisch.

    Those guys don’t have any idea who Mark Melancon is will refuse to take him seriously until his name is etched on the 25-man active roster.

    The younger beat writers have adapted their coverage to what the fans want to read and the old guard hasn’t.

    That’s a big reason why it’s primarily the old guard who keeps resurrecting the “Joba to the pen” debate. They can’t offer an informed opinion on such matters if they don’t know a damn thing about these young kids.

    Hoch:

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....Id=rss_nyy

    Kepner:

    http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....e-yankees/

    Feinsand:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/blo.....his-p.html

  50. Al from BK February 22nd, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    Anybody know if Thursdays ST game will be available online? or anywhere else not on TV? I know its on YES but I will be marooned at work.

  51. Phil February 22nd, 2009 at 8:25 pm

    The panelists are dolts.

  52. Doreen February 22nd, 2009 at 8:25 pm

    I feel like the worst thing the Yankees ever did was to make Joba the 8th inning guy in 2007. Man, the whole argument is getting very stale.

  53. Trevor February 22nd, 2009 at 8:27 pm

    Damn people are still debating the Joba thing?

  54. Nick in SF February 22nd, 2009 at 8:27 pm

    So if this Brett Gardner “inevitable adjustments at each level” trend continues, at what pace will he improve from awful to barely-tolerable to below-average to average to above-average to All-Star caliber to Hall-of-Fame-worthy to Monument Park?

    Or might there be a level at which he tops out?

  55. Betsy February 22nd, 2009 at 8:30 pm

    How is the 30/30 show so far? I’m taping it to watch later…..I did notice that the Joba/Pen debate ended in a “he belongs in the pen” decision. Incredibly silly, but in the end harmless as I am used to this stupidity from analysts. Doreen, I don’t mind that a show like this doesn’t provide any new info – it’s baseball, they are talking about the Yankees and it’s all good to me!

  56. Al from BK February 22nd, 2009 at 8:31 pm

    Joba’s role will be debated until he makes 25 starts and dominates in that role also it is typically people who know nothing about our team saying things like “the pen is weak” or “there is no one but Mariano” they are not aware of the likes of Bruney, Melancon and Marte.

  57. m February 22nd, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    I think Brett will top at at “Brett is God!”

  58. Doreen February 22nd, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    Betsy -

    You’re right. It’s not as bad as I was afraid of after the first 10 minutes.

  59. Trevor February 22nd, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    They said the Yankee pen has “holes in it”.

  60. S.A.-The 2009 MLB season is almost here February 22nd, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    I feel like the worst thing the Yankees ever did was to make Joba the 8th inning guy in 2007.

    ===================================

    Sometimes I feel that way too Doreen. The “Joba debate which really is no debate since he is a starter” is tiring.

    Oscar time!

  61. jack February 22nd, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    this 30/30 is disappointing

  62. Doreen February 22nd, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    Al from BK -

    But don’t you think it is incumbent upon these types of shows to do at least some research into the depth of a team. I mean, they’re saying the bullpen has holes, when it was the team’s biggest asset last season – without Joba. And they do have Melancon on the horizon. You’d think they’d at least research that. :(

  63. Doreen February 22nd, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    Betsy -

    I like that they’re talking Yankees. I like seeing the guys and the field and it’s baseball. But it’s a very “surface” show.

  64. jennifer February 22nd, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    WHY WHY WHY does Joba belong in the pen? Does Johan, CC, David Price? NO NO and NO. SO why Joba?

    I maintain he got hurt when Pudge threw the ball through to second, Joba didn’t realize and had to duck down very quickly. I think that is where he got hurt.

  65. Al from BK February 22nd, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    Doreen- When people discuss the Yankees they typically speak in generalities ;)

  66. Al February 22nd, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    That AJ snippet got me so pumped up for the season.

    Can only imagine him on the mound on that April Friday evening in Fenway vs. Beckett…. drool

  67. K-Zone February 22nd, 2009 at 8:42 pm

    To be fair… the pen is far from a sure thing. We have a ton of life arms like Marte, Bruney, Veras, Edwar, Melancon, Coke etc. but none of them are established setup arms.

    I’m confident in Bruney after seeing how committed he is and how dominant he was last year…. but I can understand the skepticism about our pen.

  68. m February 22nd, 2009 at 8:42 pm

    Trevor,

    Hilarious isn’t it? How everyone underestimates the ‘pen. Dat’s okay, teams will find out soon enough.

  69. Betsy February 22nd, 2009 at 8:43 pm

    Doreen, I think I see what you are saying…..and I agree with you that if they are going to analyze teams, they should at least know what they are analyzing. I don’t think I’m going to watch this show – the Yanks bullpen has holes? It’s not perfect, but no team has a perfect pen, and it’s quite good.

    I did read that AJ was on the show and said he’s pscyhed about experiencing the Sox/Yanks rivalry from the Yanks end of things (something like that)? That’s cool – sounds like the best part of the show to me, lol

  70. jack February 22nd, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    love joey g….

  71. Doreen February 22nd, 2009 at 8:45 pm

    K-Zone

    Bullpens are by nature a little “iffy,” but I like the general make-up of the Yankees bullpen. And they have a lot if different arms to go to if things don’t go swimmingly.

    Al from BK -

    That’s why I think I’d appreciate the 30/30 shows for other teams. I know more specifics about the Yankees. I don’t know anything about most other teams, so even if they talk in generalities about other teams, I’m learning something.

  72. Trevor February 22nd, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    Where’s Cano as a guy he came through the organization? You can’t have Ian Kennedy there and no Cano. :roll:

  73. Doreen February 22nd, 2009 at 8:47 pm

    Okay, here we go. Going into the minor league depth and how the Yankees have built from within. This was unexpected.

  74. SD Yankees February 22nd, 2009 at 8:47 pm

    We don’t have a sexy name in our pen like Saito/Okijima, Howell/Balfour, Scott Shields, JJ Putz, Madson, Joey Devine, etc. setting up. Bruney is still a ?

  75. Doreen February 22nd, 2009 at 8:47 pm

    Trevor, the did mention Cano. :)

  76. Al from BK February 22nd, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    “That AJ snippet got me so pumped up for the season.

    Can only imagine him on the mound on that April Friday evening in Fenway vs. Beckett…. drool”

    What AJ snippet, sorry did I miss something?

    Also I can’t wait to see Cano play in the WBC if he rakes I’ll be pumped.

  77. Doreen February 22nd, 2009 at 8:53 pm

    Al from BK -

    They did a brief interview with AJ and he talked about being ready for the Red Sox/Yankees rivalry. Talked about hitting it off with CC and having a lot in common with him.

  78. SD Yankees February 22nd, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    Cano had a great yr last year? LOL

  79. ZMan February 22nd, 2009 at 8:55 pm

    Is there a baseball writer/analyst out there who actually wants to see Joba start? It’s amazing how they unanimously want him in the pen

  80. Giuseppe Franco February 22nd, 2009 at 8:56 pm

    The funny thing is that when the Yanks’ pen emerges as one of the best in the league with Melancon, Bruney, and Marte as the primary bridge to Mo – the very same MLB Network panel will be asking….

    “Where did these guys come from?”

    Duh.

  81. Phil February 22nd, 2009 at 8:56 pm

    30 teams in 30 days may be too blistering a pace for the monkeys at MLB Network.

  82. gayle February 22nd, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    Dan Plesac needs an clue anyone who highlights Cotton Eyed Joe as a highlight of playing in Yankee STadium doesnt belong on any baseball panel that talks about the Yankees

  83. Jay from BX February 22nd, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    If Cashman ever trades Swisher, he is lost. Even if he doesn’t regain his hitting, he is still a damn good bench player and a clubhouse leader

  84. Doreen February 22nd, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    Well,

    Let the games begin!

  85. GreenBeret7 February 22nd, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    SD Yankees
    February 22nd, 2009 at 8:54 pm
    Cano had a great yr last year? LOL

    ————————————————————

    Cano had one bad month and hit .297 over the final 5 months, including a bad thumb from Mid-August through early September.

    Good thing you weren’t around in ’59 when Mantle’s average dropped 80 points in two years from .365 in ’57 to .285 in ’59. That was a season when he was healthy all season.

  86. Al from BK February 22nd, 2009 at 9:04 pm

    These guys in the pen will fly under the radar and be filthy this year. I laughed when one guy said “If they put Joba back in the pen then they’re right there” so Joba throwing 160 innings as opposed to 60 makes the Yankees a weaker team? LOL

  87. Boston Dave February 22nd, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    Jay from BX,

    I like Swisher too but don’t overvalue guys just because they’re in pinstripes. If someone were to overpay, you have to consider it. That said, it doesn’t appear there will be a market for Swisher or Nady until mid-season if at all.

  88. Wilson February 22nd, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    Overall, that was a pretty depressing piece.

  89. Trevor February 22nd, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    The pen outside of Mo doesn’t have household names. So they don’t have a clue about who’s in the pen.

  90. Boston Dave February 22nd, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    Al from BK,

    love that logic LOL

    Apparently, Joba might just be the most underrated starting pitcher in all of baseball.

    In order to qualify a statement like that, you’d have to think very little of him as a SP.

  91. Holla Back February 22nd, 2009 at 9:08 pm

    Sad that the MLB Network— the hub of baseball in this world with the access to everything baseball is this ignorant about topics like the pen. Have they even bothered to research Melancon and co? Did they see the numbers that Bruney, Coke, Veras, Edwar etc. put up for most of the yr minus one bad month in August?

    Disappointing…….

  92. Sevendust February 22nd, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    Joba is going to have a TON of pressure on him to be an excellent starting pitcher, right from the outset. Similarity, if the pen blows a couple of early games, it is going to be insufferable.

    Forget ARod, CC, AJ…. Joba and the relievers may have the most to prove early on.

  93. Boston Dave February 22nd, 2009 at 9:11 pm

    many of the best bullpens in recent years have been full of no-name guys.

    I’d be surprised if the Yanks pen isn’t in the top 10-12 in MLB by the end of the season.

    Two reasons: depth and a phenominal starting rotation with guys who tend to go 7+ innings per game. The impact of the starting rotation on the bullpen can’t be ignored.

    When was the last time the Yankees had this much competition for bullpen spots in spring training??

  94. Doreen February 22nd, 2009 at 9:11 pm

    Wilson

    I’m curious – why did you find it depressing?

    Really, the only thing I thought they got “wrong” was the bullpen situation, including wanting Joba there.

    If you consider that they over-evaluated the Red Sox – that everyone seems to be overestimating the health of the Red Sox – their predictions for the Yankees wasn’t all that bad.

    And it is true that 3 of the best teams in baseball are in the Yankees’ division. That means, necessarily that one of them cannot make the playoffs. We hope that one is not the Yankees. But it could happen that all three teams finish with over 93 wins and one of them won’t get to the playoffs.

    Anyway, it’s just pre-season stuff. I’m still excited about this season.

  95. Boston Dave February 22nd, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    Sevendust,

    If the rotation does their job, the bullpen will be far less significant because they won’t be used nearly as much as in recent seasons.

    Also, I don’t think Joba cares what Francessa and ESPN think of him. He doesn’t seem like the kind of guy who gives a crap about that stuff. Hence, there won’t be much pressure on him at all (outside of the normal circumstances that any player faces).

  96. Giuseppe Franco February 22nd, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    Joba and the relievers may have the most to prove early on.

    ———–

    Meh, I don’t buy that at all. The pen won’t be overworked with the much improved rotation and they have several strong arms vying for just a few open slots.

    Joba will be fine. He may struggle at times, but so does every other starting pitcher from time to time.

    This will not be an issue. The clueless among the media will find that out very quickly.

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    “We don’t have a sexy name in our pen like Saito/Okijima, Howell/Balfour, Scott Shields, JJ Putz, Madson, Joey Devine, etc. setting up. Bruney is still a ?”

    lol a year ago who would say howell or balfour is a sexy name…

  98. Sea Net February 22nd, 2009 at 9:16 pm

    Bullpens are so year to year. Just look at the Rays… the exact same collection of arms plus Percival in 2007 that was the worst in the league, was among the best in the league in 2008.

    The Indians, Rockies, Mariners, DBacks, Padres, Marlins all had lights out pens last year and this year, they couldn’t get anyone out. Arizona and Cleveland were playoff teams last year that were put out of contention early by their pen woes. Boston’s BP also took a step back from 07. Look at the Mets bullpen from 2006 to 2007. Best in the league to worst in one year.

    Would it shock me to see Bruney, Veras, Edwar, etc. fall off the face of the earth? Not at all. Such is the life of MLB bullpens.

  99. Boston Dave February 22nd, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    Best 6 teams on paper in baseball (IMO):

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    Mets

    Dodgers get bumped after Mets improved their pen.

  100. Al from BK February 22nd, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    “I’d be surprised if the Yanks pen isn’t in the top 10-12 in MLB by the end of the season.”

    I think it was number 7 last year. In 09 I expect us to have a top 5 bullpen.

    “lol a year ago who would say howell or balfour is a sexy name…”

    Lol, Balfour a sexy name? His career ERA prior to last year was 7! I expect that Rays pen to come back to Earth they all over-achieved.

  101. jennifer February 22nd, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    Red soxs vastly improved? What?

    Sorry I just started to watch.

  102. m February 22nd, 2009 at 9:24 pm

    Doreen,

    Over-evaluated or overvalued Boston?

    Has anyone looked forward to any season more than this one?

    I can’t recall a recent season with more expectations and potential than this one.

    Which new player makes the most impact? My early vote is for A.J. :)

  103. PAT M. February 22nd, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    GB7, The 59 season for Mick was the year after he dislocated his shoulder sliding into second ???? His swing was never the same after that injury…

  104. James 3D February 22nd, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    With the volatility of bullpens, I don’t see how anyone can definitevely say one way or the other how good or bad our pen will be. Wait and see is the only way to see it.

    Hell, who thought our bullpen was going to be good this year? Our best arms in 2007 were Vizcaino, who left, and Joba, who was going to be a starter after May.

    Did anyone think we would have one of the best BPs in the game this year with basically the same guys that flopped in 07 (Farnsworth, Bruney, Edwar, Veras etc.) plus Hawkins?

    Debating Bullpens in March is a fruitless debate.

  105. Boston Dave February 22nd, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    hate to bring this up but why can’t the Yankees work a sign and trade for Juan Cruz with one of the interested teams?

    Yanks sign him, lose their 4th rd pick. Trade him to a team for player(s) commensurate of a 2nd rd pick.

  106. Al February 22nd, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    I agree mel… I think AJ is going to come out of the gate firing

  107. Boston Dave February 22nd, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    Al from BK,

    I personally agree (top 5). However, I wanted to be as conservative as possible especially with the seemingly complete lack of respect from the media “experts”.

  108. Nick in SF February 22nd, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    Joba will not have the most pressure on him, no worries. He’s the #5 starter behind 3 Aces and a wily vet. And he knows his role for the whole season, so he doesn’t have to be worried about being yanked to the pen if he has a couple bad starts. Just stay pretty healthy and pitch, that’s the job.

  109. Al from BK February 22nd, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    I love how they think Boston is still the better team when they lost Manny last year and missed out on their main target because Henry got greedy. This will make it far sweeter when the Yanks are in 1st by severalk games on Memorial day.

  110. Zolio February 22nd, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    Viewing the Yankees’ bullpen mix, Posada does not seem to expect Melancon will be on the first-base line April 6 at Baltimore. But it seems safe to wager that he’ll have his share of Opening Days if everything continues on this track, projecting as a late-inning reliever or closer type.

    “We’ll see how he progresses,” Posada said. “I think they don’t really want to rush him right now. They want him to get a full year in and see what happens. But he’s got a bright future. There’s no doubt about that.”

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  111. Boston Dave February 22nd, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    Does anybody here think if the Yankees had signed Brad Penny and/or John Smoltz that the reviews would be the same?

    It would be “more of the same for the Yanks. When will they learn that signing aging, injured vets is an exercise in futility?”

    For the Sox, it’s more genius from Epstein and the can’t-miss Sox.

    Alas, it will just make a Yankee championship that much sweeter.

  112. m February 22nd, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    Joba’s job is to build up those innings effectively.

    Girardi and Eiland did a good job with the pen with a big assist from Mo. The coaching staff gave them the opportunities to prove themselves, but Mo was the one who worked with the kids on the mental part of relieving.

  113. Boston Dave February 22nd, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    Zolio,

    I think it may have been Giuseppe who brought this up but it may make some sense, even for the Yanks, to leave Melancon in the minors for 6 weeks so that they can keep him from free agency for an extra year.

    It does seem odd to say that the Yanks would be cost conscious in this way but the copious talent in the pen should allow for it.

  114. Doreen February 22nd, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    m -

    PIck one. :)

    What I mean is that the people who are doing the evaluating are assuming the Red Sox have no problems and figuring their bullpen is solid and that they don’t have any major health questions.

    I think they have as many questions if not more than the Yankees, but it’s all just words until the games start. :)

  115. Kevin February 22nd, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    Boston Dave, MLB is working with the Diamondbacks to do the sign-and-trade. There are restrictions with how soon you can deal a guy after he signs a contract that would need to be waived.

  116. Kevin February 22nd, 2009 at 9:40 pm

    BP is all over Boston’s health issues, by the way. It was the subject of one of their BP Dailies on ESPN.

  117. jennifer February 22nd, 2009 at 9:40 pm

    HAHA Joba is wasted in 35 starts. :lol: fools!! Joba will not always be a #5 starter fools!

  118. m February 22nd, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    Doreen,

    Ah. That could also be described as overestimating. Or overrating.

    Quite a potpouri (sp?) of choices.

    I think we’re all overaturated with the Boston love-fest.

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  120. Boston Dave February 22nd, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    Kevin,

    what is your source on that? I’ve read that MLB would allow sign and trades for the unsigned type-A guys. I haven’t seen anywhere that MLB was specifically working with the Diamondbacks.

    If Arizona can sign and trade Cruz, an unrestricted free agent, the Yankees should have the same rights. MLB would be getting into a sticky situation if they are going to start changing rules on the fly for one team but not for the Yanks.

    Further, the Diamondbacks are going to want something good in return for Cruz in order to lose out on getting a 1st. The Yankees are in a better position to give up just a 4th and do the sign and trade getting back less than Arizona may be demanding.

  121. Boston Dave February 22nd, 2009 at 9:52 pm

    sorry, Cruz is not unrestricted I guess.

  122. Kevin February 22nd, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    It’s a special situation with Arizona because they’d be waiving the first-round pick, something complicated. I read it in either the last Rob Neyer or Keith Law chat, let me try and dig it up.

  123. Kevin February 22nd, 2009 at 10:15 pm

    Damn, I can’t find it. It was two different things. A while back, one of those two thought that MLB wouldn’t let the Yankees circumvent the compensation system.

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