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Some bleacher seats now $5 in Stadium

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Feb 26, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

There are roughly 600 obstructed view bleacher seats at the new Stadium thanks to the genius move of plunking a restaurant right in the middle of the seats.

These seats, once $12, are now $5. The other bit of good news is that there will be screens on the side of the restaurant, so you’ll be able to follow the ball that way once you lose sight of it.

Meanwhile, the bleacher seats will be alcohol free. But you’ll be able to enjoy a frosty beer elsewhere. You just can’t bring it back to your seat. I’m also told that the bleachers will not be closed off from the rest of the park.

So for $5 bucks, you can more or less see, have a beer and walk around. Can’t beat that.

The Yankees have not announced when single-game seats will go on sale. But considering that Opening Day is April 16, it’s got to be sometime soon.

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Meanwhile this bad news for the team via AP:

The Yankees and Bank of America have ended months of negotiations on a sponsorship agreement. The decision is a result of the financial industry’s struggles and decision to accept aid from the federal government.

While the sides never discussed naming rights to the team’s new $1.5 billion stadium, they had talked about the possibility of a 20-year deal that would have included signage, special events and tickets.

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386 Responses to “Some bleacher seats now $5 in Stadium”

  1. Betsy February 26th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    From the prior thread:

    Too bad we can’t talk about baseball – I hope there will be another baseball thread later on.

    GreenBeret, did the Yankees know that Alex was getting a ride with his cousin? If they did, then I don’t know what Cash is getting so upset about; if they didn’t, then I can understand. It’s fine with me if the Yankees don’t want the cousin around the ballpark – it’s too much of a distraction for Alex and the team.

    The Swisher thing is absolutely ridiculous – seriously, do people really think Nick is a steroid risk?

    Interesting stuff from Kay:

    He talked about how Alex said “hello, Michael” to him, but when he (Kay) made a move to shake his hand, Alex sort of avoided it….

    Suzyn Waldman apparently told Alex that she has been very harsh on him and she wanted him to know that, that perhaps she has been too disappointed in him. He said he was disappointed in himself….and that was that. No big fireworks, but obviously things will be rather awkward if Michael or Suzyn have to interview Alex after a game.

    More baseball please, lol…..

  2. Rebecca-Optimist Prime...Staying to Write the Story February 26th, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    Interesting news about Bank of America.

    I guess they saw the negative publicity that Citibank has recieved regarding Citifield and the like and didn’t want to chance it.

  3. Left Coast February 26th, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    They would expect A-Rod to have better judgment than that. Especially if he is serious about moving past this. Apparently, they overestimated his intelligence.

    People complain why this won’t go away— because A=Rod won’t let it go away. And we wonder why members of the organization are upset at him and take shots at him.

  4. jack February 26th, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    Can;t blame Swisher for getting a ride home. If anything, A-Rod is to blame for not letting Swisher know that it was not a good idea to be in the car with him and the cousin because the media will be suspicious and hound him.

  5. G. Love February 26th, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    I wonder if there is any consideration to re-vamping the seating after this season so there are no obstructed views if possible.

    I haven’t seen the design so I don’t know if they can fix it.

    Still can’t believe they commissioned a park with obstructed views. It’s the epitome of idiocy.

    That said, $5 a ticket is a steal compared to what I’m paying. If I had those seats, I’d walk around the park and find an empty seat to plop down in until someone made me move.

  6. m February 26th, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    Everyone’s to blame, but A-rod. That’s the biggest joke.

  7. Tex's New Best Friend February 26th, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    A-Rod won’t let it go away?

    He drove home with his cousin? I hardly see that as not letting it go away.

  8. Mo-Butter February 26th, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    Betsy….. you claimed to be hoping for a baseball thread, and yet you are single handedly responsible for bringing the A-Rod trash into this one for the last one. WHY?

  9. Mike in Harrisburg February 26th, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    From an email discussion with someone in Yankee ticketing:

    “We look to have the box office open in mid-March and hope to have single game tickets available for purchase at that time.”

  10. X-Mann February 26th, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    Tex – Except his cousin is a central figure in this steroid saga.

  11. Retire #6 February 26th, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    Lonn Trost was on Miked Up yesterday saying single game tickets will go on sale around March 15.

  12. m-we're not yupid February 26th, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    Lincicome: ‘Yupidity’ brought baseball’s steroid era
    Submitted by SHNS on Mon, 02/23/2009 – 14:25.

    AL Baseball By BERNIE LINCICOME, Scripps Howard News Service

    The term “dumb jock” has lasted as long as there have been jocks, dumb or otherwise. Age has never been a qualifier until Alex Rodriguez made it one. To be young and dumb, or young and stupid, cannot be an excuse for anything after the age of consent, speaking legally.

    Nor is permission for mischief granted to anyone young, stupid and rich, all of which Rodriguez was, still is in baseball years.

    And to apply honest math to the Rodriguez re-clarification, he would have been 24 in 1999, not in 2001, when the mule train from the Dominican stash began. He also tested positive for two substances, not just one.

    So, the dumb part of the Rodriguez defense would seem to include arithmetic, understandable when one is not required to keep track of the important figures of life, such as how much things cost and how to figure an earned-run average.

    As Jimmy Buffett reminded us years ago, everybody’s got a cousin in Miami.

    One can grant that Rodriguez is “older and wiser,” but it is wiser to settle for his being “older and trapped” since he is not the least bit of it, wiser I mean, rather than just now six years beyond the needle.

    The betrayal by heroes never stops being painful, even to cynics, yet our expectations are neither responsible nor reason for the treachery.

    The sin is always their fault. Ours is always imagining they were more than they are.

    Overreaction seems to be a national trait, not to bring Iraq into this, and from the newsboy who cried, “Say, it ain’t so, Joe,” to the jury waiting to say one way or the other to Barry Bonds, judgment is the privilege of worship.

    Maybe there ought to be a category for young and stupid, call it “yupid,” and anything that happens during that time is designated as bogus, worthy of the famed asterisk that so many want to attach to an entire era of baseball.

    So, we should not count the .358 batting average of A-Rod at age 20 in Seattle because he was young and stupid, assuming that he was not in remission for stupidity when younger.

    Or at least we should put it under an entire new baseball statistic called “YAP,” or Yupid Achievement Percentage.

    Those 52 and 57 home runs in Texas during his yupid period would be discounted because he cannot be forgiven for doing one thing as young and stupid without being forgiven for all of it.

    Rodriguez himself has set the age limit on yupidness, that being “24-25″ and taking the outer limit of that, anything that has been accomplished as well as anything that has been committed up to that age is not part of the later adult world, which it is assumed that A-Rod is now a part of, his dalliance with Madonna aside, as well as any interview with anyone asking real questions.

    Wisdom does not automatically come with years, as we see with Bonds and Roger Clemens, or with Pete Rose, who seemed to get dumber the longer he got away with breaking baseball’s gambling rules that are tacked onto every dugout and in every clubhouse.

    Maybe Rose just lost the ability to read.

    The history of the world is littered with the young and not so stupid, from Mozart to Martin Luther King, not to mention the age of instant communication that defines us now, brought about by child wonders working with a screw driver and a soldering iron in their basements.

    There have been suggestions that baseball’s hallowed record book have a preamble to identify all the non-regular times, and then let the numbers be what the numbers are. For example, when Babe Ruth hit 60 home runs or when Ted Williams last hit .400, that time would be identified as the segregated era.

    This does not assume that Josh Gibson or Satchel Paige would have been greater than Ruth or Walter Johnson, but it allows the notion.

    Other times and numbers would be qualified by the dead-ball era or by the raised pitcher’s mound era or the pre-expansion era, followed, naturally, by the expansion era with room left for the post-expansion era.

    The Steroid Era would be roughly from, oh, 1994-2004, a neat decade if probably associated more exactly with the career of Jose Canseco, sort of patient zero in the contamination.

    Canseco does not fit the young and stupid definition since he knew exactly what it was and why he was using it. So did Rodriguez. So have they all. We’re not yupid.

    (Contact Bernie Lincicome of the Rocky Mountain News at lincicomeb(at)RockyMountainNews.com.)

  13. Rebecca-Optimist Prime...Staying to Write the Story February 26th, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    If you want single game tickets and don’t want to wait, you can purchase them via stubhub.

  14. Mike in Harrisburg February 26th, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    I refuse to patronize stubhub since they became “partners (in crime)” with MLB

  15. Phil February 26th, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    The steroid era was going full blast in the `80′s. Bernie Lincicome is another blathering moron who missed the whole thing when it was going on in front of him.

  16. James February 26th, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    If lonn trust knew what he was talking about when he went on the fan a day or two ago, then 600 is the Total number of obstructed view seats in the entire stadium, including all three levels of seats that have the foul pole in view and are not really very obstructed. Who knows what portion of that falls into the corners against the sports bar, but he said the wall would be lined with TV’s to help follow a play where the wall botched the view.

  17. ohgodno February 26th, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    Since I wasn’t able to get 15 game pack I’m going to be hitting up stubhub ASAP and buying as many tickets as can afford now, before races heat up and prices skyrocket.

  18. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    Repost from previous Subject

    Betsy
    February 26th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
    Too bad we can’t talk about baseball – I hope there will be another baseball thread later on.

    GreenBeret, did the Yankees know that Alex was getting a ride with his cousin? If they did, then I don’t know what Cash is getting so upset about; if they didn’t, then I can understand. It’s fine with me if the Yankees don’t want the cousin around the ballpark – it’s too much of a distraction for Alex and the team.

    The Swisher thing is absolutely ridiculous – seriously, do people really think Nick is a steroid risk?

    Interesting stuff from Kay:

    He talked about how Alex said “hello, Michael” to him, but when he (Kay) made a move to shake his hand, Alex sort of avoided it….

    Suzyn Waldman apparently told Alex that she has been very harsh on him and she wanted him to know that, that perhaps she has been too disappointed in him. He said he was disappointed in himself….and that was that. No big fireworks, but obviously things will be rather awkward if Michael or Suzyn have to interview Alex after a game.
    ——————————————————————————————
    I can only assume that Giradri knew about it, because he OK’d them riding back in a car, and somebody had to allow that car to get to the player’s entrance. Whether Cashman knew or not, I don’t know. Even still, he’s had two weeks to put the word out to Rodriguez and others than the cousin wasn’t allowed in the security area.

    As far as Kay, goes, too bad. He’s been trashing Rodriguez for a month or longer, and know can’t figure out why he won’t shake his hand? For his own peace of mind, Rodriguez needs to refuse all interviews with the media. He’s not going to win, either way. He also needs to start wearing earplugs during his at bats.

  19. Al from BK(waiting for opening day!) February 26th, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    So A-Rod gets a lift from his cousin and this is front page news? You’d never know there was a recession going on. Alert the media A-Rod got a ride home from a relative!

  20. Phil February 26th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    Al,

    And somehow, to this collection of idiots, a guy getting ride home with his cousin was more suspicious than McGwire and Sosa in the summer of 1998.

  21. Scott February 26th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    It’s not a good sign that people like Waldman, Kay, and Jones who represent the organization at the highest level via the media were so negative against A-Rod.

    Those guys have been accused of being homers and protecting the Yankees for years, let they were let loose on this subject. I have to imagine the Yankee organization was ok with it and it was conveyed to them as such. From reading how the rest of the organization feels about A-Rod, it’s not hard to imagine they allowed the Yankees media people to trash him.

  22. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    The best thing that could happen right now is for there to be a nationwide newspaper strike for the next year. It certainly helped the Yanks not to have the bloodsuckers around them when they started their 1978 run. The day the big push came, New York had a newspaper strike that lasted from July until the end of the season. Lemon said it was the best thing to happen besides getting his players off of the DL.

  23. m-we're not yupid February 26th, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    Idiots? The real idiots are the ones that decided to do steroids.

  24. Tom February 26th, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    The Mic’s family bought the “F- Yogi” ball:

    Although Richard Russek, president of Grey Flannel, declined to comment, a source told us that the Mantle family purchased the ball, presumably in order to make sure it didn’t get into the hands of a collector. Had it not sold by Friday, the ball would have entered the auction with a $1,000 reserve price

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/29413084

  25. Redding February 26th, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    So A-Rod was listening to the Michael Kay show? What did he expect? Roses to be thrown his way for cheating?

    Kay was in no position to defend A-Rod without coming off as Yankee-Schill and lose his credibility. I’d like to think A-Rod would be smart enough to realize that. It’s apart of his job.

  26. Tom February 26th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    Sweet, Jesus. Arod’s cousin is the one Arod claims got steroids in the DR and then smuggled them into the U.S.A. illegally. The Yankees have every right to ban his cousin from Yankee owned grounds.

  27. m-we're not yupid February 26th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    If I were A-rod, I’d fall over myself to shake the hand of any media member that extended one to me.

    He, unlike Clemens (snicker), does care about getting into the HOF. If he were smart, he’d ingratiate himself with the media really fast.

  28. Phil February 26th, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    yupid,

    yeah, it’s really dumb to take advantage of something that there’s no punishment for and the guys competing against you for dollars are all taking. There was a context to this whole thing, that you missed cause you couldn’t tell it was going on. Perhaps you were just being yupid.

  29. raymagnetic February 26th, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    Fred Sanford would know just what to say to A-Rod. “A-Rod you big dummy”!

    The man just can not stay out of his own way.

  30. S.A.-The 2009 MLB season is almost here February 26th, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    Pictures from today. The Boss, Bernie, Yogi, Alex, Phil. The whole gang

    http://www.daylife.com/topic/N.....os/today/1

    Wang steal Igawa’s sunglasses? :lol:

    http://www.daylife.com/photo/0.....rk_Yankees

  31. Blvd 2783 February 26th, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    I liked it better before the games started— then you got to see pictures and hear stories about how great the guys are meshing and what they are doing off the field and in the clubhouse.

    Now, the only coverage is about the games. And considering that hardly anyone is in game shape, it’s not really anything exciting. We can’t judge anyone for another 2 weeks, everyone looks bad this early. Now we’re not going to hear stories about the guys meshing and who hangs out with who etc.

  32. COL 88 February 26th, 2009 at 6:05 pm

    mel,

    Exactly. And the fact that A-Rod wanted these media guys to defend him for using PEDS is laughable. He’s surprised that Kay ripped him for cheating? Really? This guy is clueless.

  33. m-Phil thinks I'm yupid February 26th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    :cry:

  34. Rishi February 26th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    interesting…

    Three Strikes: Manny can’t be Manny edition

    Thursday, February 26, 2009 | Print Entry

    STRIKE ONE — MANNY CAN’T BE MANNY DEPT.: For months now, I’ve been hearing people speculate about how dangerous it would be for the Dodgers if their man Manny Ramirez were to take their money but feel as if he’d been low-balled.

    But here’s my question: Why?

    I have to admit I actually bought into that premise myself for a while — that having a nonmotivated Manny might be worse than having no Manny at all. But one longtime front-office man told me that theory is less logical than it sounds.

    “Let me ask you something,” he said. “How many mulligans is this guy going to get? How many more times can he quit on his team?”

    Hmmm. Good question. And the correct answer would have to be zero. Wouldn’t it?

    This guy had enough trouble finding teams to employ him after staging one sitdown strike in Boston. So how many teams would be interested in him next winter, or the winter after, if he pulls another stunt even remotely like it?

    That would be none, right? So what’s the best way to motivate Manny at this stage — besides dollars? Easy answer.

    “A deal as short as possible,” that front-office man said. “Anything that says, ‘You want that $100 million?’ Then do it again.”

    STRIKE TWO — THE ALL-MANNY TEAM DEPT.: Amazing how much time we spend fixating on Manny when you could still put together a respectable team of unsigned free agents that doesn’t include him — on Feb. 26. Here goes:

    1B: Frank Thomas
    2B: Mark Grudzielanek
    SS: Orlando Cabrera
    3B: Nomar Garciaparra
    LF: Moises Alou
    CF: Jim Edmonds
    RF: Luis Gonzalez
    C: Pudge Rodriguez
    DH: Jose Vidro
    Pinch-hit specialist: Mark Sweeney

    Starting rotation: Pedro Martinez, Paul Byrd, Kenny Rogers, Sidney Ponson, Esteban Loaiza

    Bullpen: Juan Cruz, Will Ohman, Dennys Reyes, Joe Beimel, Mike Timlin, Ron Villone, Julian Tavarez

    Injured reserve: Curt Schilling, Mark Mulder, El Duque Hernandez, Chad Cordero, Chuck James

    Not even counting the injured list, that group has made a combined 59 All-Star teams — 15 appearances within the past five years. And they’re all still 100 percent unemployed. Unbelievable.

    STRIKE THREE — SPRING FEVER DEPT.: In other news …

    • Box score line of the day: It isn’t baseball season ’til we throw out the first box score line of the spring. So here goes. Horacio Ramirez started the Cactus League opener for the Royals — and didn’t make it out of the first inning: 2/3 IP, 7 H, 6 R, 3 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, one two-run HR by Hank Blalock. That’s 10 batters faced, two outs, if you’re scoring at home.

    • Where was Brett Favre?: My friend Tyler Kepner, of New York Times fame, obviously has been hanging around me too long, because here’s the first thing he noticed about Wednesday’s Yankees-Blue Jays spring opener: Pitching for the Yankees — Brett Tomko. Pitching for the Blue Jays — Brett Cecil. Leading off the game — Brett Gardner. That’s every big leaguer named Brett except Brett Myers and Brett Carroll. Hard to believe George Brett wasn’t there to sing the anthem.

  35. Phil February 26th, 2009 at 6:08 pm

    m,

    I don’t think you’re yupid, but I think you’ve been on the wrong side of the issue here.

  36. Alfred E. Kennedy February 26th, 2009 at 6:08 pm

    A-Rod is in no position to start going Barry Bonds on people.

    If he has any regard for his legacy or perception, he needs to be nice to everyone and stay out of the news. If he starts becoming defiant and avoids the media, he is going to effectively pour gasoline on the already engulfed bridge and there will be no HOF for him.

    But this guy doesn’t have a clue, so nothing he does surprises me.

  37. Rishi February 26th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

    ok – i only meant to post the brett stuff…sometimes copy/paste goes crazy…sorry

  38. Giuseppe Franco February 26th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    Gotta love the media buzzards who don’t understand English:

    “The [A-Rod cousin] situation was addressed and I’ll leave it at that.”

    Of course, two jackasses kept prodding there at the end and Girardi decided to end the interview.

    Nice job. The media wants to keep this story afloat while everyone else wants to concentrate on baseball.

  39. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    Redding
    February 26th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
    So A-Rod was listening to the Michael Kay show? What did he expect? Roses to be thrown his way for cheating?

    Kay was in no position to defend A-Rod without coming off as Yankee-Schill and lose his credibility. I’d like to think A-Rod would be smart enough to realize that. It’s apart of his job.

    ————————————————————

    Just like others, he had no problem defending Pettitte, Giambi and Clemens. I doubt that Rodriguez listen to Kay, but, I’m sure that the word got to him.

  40. Joe from Long Island February 26th, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    Alex needs to ignore what other people are saying and take care of his own business. Being too concerned with how he is perceived is part of his problem.

    At this point, it is painfully clear that he needs to just concentrate on minding his own business, being forthright, and playing baseball. If he does that, everything else will take care of itself.

  41. Rudy February 26th, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    Are they not selling 15 and 12 game packages?

  42. Rishi February 26th, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    does anyone know what alex did or did not expect from the media or are you just guessing? Seems to me that you can make bad decisions / royally screw up, listen to / accept the criticism without having to be nice to the critic.

    I mean people have feelings – I don’t particularily care to be nice to people who criticise me, why should anyone else?

  43. NITRO February 26th, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    A-Rod himself wants to keep this story alive. If he wanted to diffuse it, he wouldn’t be hanging out with the cousin who injected him with steroids.

  44. Phil February 26th, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    And so Kay has free speech, but ARod doesn’t have the right to not shake his hand. So first his 4th and now his first ammendmant rights have been rescinded.

  45. m February 26th, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    Phil,

    That’s cool. I can understand you’re wanting to broaden the scope of the problem, I did it a long time ago with Barry Bonds.

    And I don’t even care that Alex did steroids. But he gets no pity, deserves no sympathy from me, the organization, nor the media.

    He put the spotlight on himself. Yes, the MBLPA screwed up, Selena Roberts dug up the skeleton out of his closet. But who’s ultimately responsible here? Alex. Alex. Alex. He can make it go away by following a few simple rules.

    Stay out trouble. Play great baseball as usual. Humanize himself.

    He followed up a great game with a great gaffe. People who think Alex didn’t do anything are absolutely correct. But it wasn’t a very good idea. Especially when he apologized to the team for being a distraction.

    As far as being wrong? There is no right or wrong here. They’re just opinions.

  46. Giuseppe Franco February 26th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    A-Rod himself wants to keep this story alive. If he wanted to diffuse it, he wouldn’t be hanging out with the cousin who injected him with steroids.

    ———-

    Not exactly.

    How many headlines did we see yesterday about A-Rod getting booed and mixed reactions from the crowd in Dunedin?

    The story about his cousin didn’t surface until a few hours after that.

  47. Tom February 26th, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    I’m getting very tired of the “everybody was at it, I had no choice, it was the system that was at fault, not me,” defense. It’s rampant in our society-”every one else is doing it!” when people get caught.

  48. Uncle Ellsworth February 26th, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    I think Kay and Waldman really liked Alex a lot and were truly hurt when the story came.

    Props to Waldman for tellin’ AROD that she was tough on him. (Read disappointed) That takes some moxie.

  49. Phil February 26th, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    m,

    The fact is that if the reporters who knew it was going on at least as far back as the bash brothers days in Oakland in the `80′s had blown the whistle, or if MLB, who knew what was going on even earlier had blown the whistle twenty or fifteen years ago, we wouldn’t be dealing with this mindnumbingly stupid headed witch hunt right now. But witch hunts are wrong and that’s what’s happening now.

  50. Old Guard February 26th, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    Kay and A-Rod are friends. ARod even mentioned him after he hit his 500th HR.

    A-Rod has to be mature enough to realize that Kay has a job to do. He was harsh towards A-Rod but he wasn’t out of line like the Post and Daily News were.

    He said Hi to him but refused to shake his hand? Then why even say Hi at all?

  51. Clay Buchholz Loves Laptops (Latest Post: Love in all the wrong places) February 26th, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    $5 seats. That’s pretty cool.

    Do we really want the bleacher people mingling with the rest of the stadium, though?

  52. LI Yank February 26th, 2009 at 6:25 pm

    It is wrong of A-Rod not to shake his hand.

    Kay is one of the few guys in the media who is still somewhat in A-Rod’s corner, even if he did rip him. If he loses him, who does he have? The Post, Newsday, Daily News, Bergan Record all are Anti-Arod. NY Times has been 50/50. Francessa killed him. Sports Illustrated obviously is against him. WFAN is a Mets station anyway. The MLBN reaction has been mixed. ESPN has Gammons in his corner and thats only because he was granted the first interview.

    A-Rod needs to start repairing some of these bridges, not further destroy them.

  53. m February 26th, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    Phil,

    Yes, I agree. Witchhunts are wrong. Selena Roberts chasing A-rod around Miami was wrong.

    The fans are complicit as well. There were hints, whispers, rumors. Where was the public outrage? They could’ve forced the media’s hand. They could’ve spoken with their pocketbooks and Selig would’ve been forced to do something instead of backing down to the union.

    But as they often do in court judgements blame can be apportioned. And I think that 99% if the blame needs to be placed on the players. No one forced them to do what they did. They can’t cry foul at how they’re being treated.

  54. Rudy February 26th, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    You guys really need to stop discussing the politics of A-Rod it’s rather sad and disheartening considering that spring training baseball games are going on. Not only that, Pete’s blog post had NOTHING to do with any of these words: steroids or A-Rod, yet somehow it turns into a lovefest for those exact words. I usually enjoy reading everyone’s comments and never contribute…but seriously.

    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. – Albert Einstein.

  55. Doreen February 26th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    It is entirely possible to hate the witch-hunt mentality of going after one star player at a time, parsing every word Alex says and all the other things going on that really go over the top AND come to the conclusion that Alex did a boneheaded thing yesterday. You can also face the fact that Alex is the person to blame for taking the steroids – it was his decision. But what the outside world does with it, he only has so much control over. That is why it is so imperative that he control what he can – hence, no cousin at the ballpark.

    I’m glad Susan told him face-to-face how she felt and how she has handled it (being tough on him). I believe she has a better shot at normalizing her “relationship” with ARod than Kay ever will. Kay, from what I understand, was totally over the top with his criticism of ARod. And you can’t be one way for ratings and then turn to Alex and shake his hand. That’s hypocritical, in my opinion. If he (Kay) was more measured in his criticism, realizing that he does have to maintain some relationship with a player on a team he covers, it would have been so much better. Alex does not have a monopoly and making poor decisions.

  56. Doreen February 26th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    ** That would be Suzyn, not Susan. Sorry, the odd spelling is not automatic out of my fingers on the keyboard. :)

  57. Don February 26th, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    Kay is an extension of the Yankees. He conveys what they want him to.

    The Yankees WANTED Kay to rip A-Rod and tell the world how they felt, but do it through Kay. Same with Waldman.

    You guys really think Kay ripped him on his own without checking with the organization first?

    Basically, what you heard through Kay and Waldman was how the Yankees organization felt. Thats how these things work. I don’t doubt that Kay himself felt this way, but the Yankees allowed him to do it because they agreed with the him. You people underestimate how media conscious and connected the Yankees are with their ‘own’ in the media. This was the voice of the Yankees speaking.

    You really think the voice(s) of the Yankees didn’t have influence over Kay and co?

  58. Phil February 26th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    m,

    For part of the steroids era, there was no internet for people to discuss theories of why say Fred Lynn and Jim Rice came back looking huge in 1979. Or why Brian Downing went from looking like a shlub to looking like Mr. Universe over the course of his career. So there was no way to organize.

    Back in the nineties, however, when fans could begin comparing notes, a lot of fans just refused to believe it was going on. And a reporter friend of mine who knew it was going on, refused to report it. Everybody dropped the ball, but the reporters and MLB are the ones being disingenuous about it now. And they were supposed to be the guardians of the game.

  59. E-gawa February 26th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    Awesome, Beer and cheap seats. You know that rule of not bringing alcohol isn’t going to last. It doesn’t work in the “alcohol free” parts of the Tier sections.

  60. Y26 February 26th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    Kay was no more over the top than Francessa or the print writers.

  61. Phil February 26th, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    Don,

    unless you are Don LaGreca, I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. When Michael works for ESPN those are his bosses. Not YES. The Yankee point of view, is for everyone to support ARod. So they are not gonna tell everyone to do that, than call their play by play guy at his other job and tell him to blast ARod, that would be completely antithetical to the Yankee policy on ARod, and it is not something Kay would do on his radion show. His opinions at ESPN are the sports radio version of his opininions, no one else’s.

  62. Sea Net February 26th, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    Don-

    Considering how little the organization has supported him publicly, thats not surprising at all. I do agree that Kay would not have ranted against A-Rod without the organization allowing him to.

  63. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    Keep in mind that Kay only says these things on ESPN…not on YES. Hard to figure out how the players and Girardi thinks about Kay. Kay, himself said that a couple of years ago when his mother passed away, the only player to send flowers was Alex Rodriguez, and, the only one from the Yankee organization to show up for the memorial services was…Alex and Cynthia Rodriguez.

  64. JoeyA February 26th, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    Can’t teach common sense

  65. m February 26th, 2009 at 6:43 pm

    Is anyone really surprised at how the media has reacted? They were shocked. Absolutely floored. They’re probably very disappointed that Alex wasn’t clean. I know I was. Lucky thing I’m not a shock jock, otherwise millions of people would be exposed to some very naughty words. :)

  66. E-gawa February 26th, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    And the soap opera continues….

    No good drama’s on TV?

    Have to keep talking about the Attention Queen?

  67. Rishi February 26th, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    Kay must have said 1 million times that “it is the Michael Kay show and these are my opinions” they are his opinions…whatever, as we see here everyone has a different one.

    He has, in a number of different circumstances, said different things on YES than on the radio. I would venture to guess that in either situation he is very well aware of who is current boss is.

  68. Laura February 26th, 2009 at 6:50 pm

    “Kay, himself said that a couple of years ago when his mother passed away, the only player to send flowers was Alex Rodriguez, and, the only one from the Yankee organization to show up for the memorial services was…Alex and Cynthia Rodriguez.”

    Kay is the announcer for the Yankees, not the friend of the players. If Derek, Jorge, Mo, etc are not close to Kay, why would they attend his mother’s funeral/memorial service?

  69. Boston Dave February 26th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    m,

    I’m not so sure the media was disappointed in ARod.

    There are so many more ARod haters than fans. Hating the Yankees, in general, is good business and Alex is atop the list.

  70. Boston Dave February 26th, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    sorry if this was already mentioned:

    “ESPN’s Peter Gammons said there’s a “very good chance” the rest of the 104 names of players to test positive for PEDs in 2003 will be revealed within the next month.

    Gammons expects the leak to come at the federal level. If he’s right, it could cast a huge shadow over the upcoming World Baseball Classic.”

  71. Rishi February 26th, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    I think they make enough money to send a long a little flower arrangement…

  72. Bronx Jeers February 26th, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    “Do we really want the bleacher people mingling with the rest of the stadium, though?”

    yeah some of those guys are downright scary.

    The upper deck is where it’s at!

    Although now they’re calling it the “terrace” and the “grandstand”. Very lame indeed.

  73. Joe from Long Island February 26th, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    GB7 – It’s part of the complexity that is Alex Rodriguez.

    Many people are complex. Alex happens to be in the spotlight.

  74. Phil February 26th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    Laura,

    baseball players and their annoucers are often friends. The announcers travel with the teams most of the season and they end up talking a lot.

    Frank Messer, the long time Yankee play by play guy, was involved in Bobby Murcer’s poker game for years and years. So, there isn’t the separation between players and announcers that there is in football where there might be a different TV announcer every week. Though, the radio crew for football teams is also usually close to the players.

  75. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    Personally, I don’t care whether they use steroids or not. Until they can prove that they give a markedly large boost in production (which they haven’t), I’ll continue to not care. At best, the most it could increase things is 5-10%. Until they figure out if they help and by how much, it’s no big deal. No more than the speed that was used in baseball from the ’20s until present, no more than doctred baseballs, slanted foul lines, or doctored bats.

  76. PAT M. February 26th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    Even with Spring Training games in full swing, we just cannot move past the negative weight that some lust for…Hughes, Posada looked good today..Texeria in Pinstripes is exciting even though most here said he wouldn’t come….Move on, happy days are here…

  77. Laura - Just because I'm losing doesn't mean I'm lost! February 26th, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    “Even with Spring Training games in full swing, we just cannot move past the negative weight that some lust for”

    I posted this back when the story first hit. *This will be with us all year long.* It’s a sad fact, but that doesn’t make it any less true.

  78. Betsy February 26th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    Pat M, thanks – and I should not have brought Alex (except as regards on-field activities) into this thread. Sorry!

    Anyhow, I taped the game today and I can’t wait to see Phil, Tex, Posada, Melancon, Bruney, etc.. for myself. I’m enouraged a bit by Phil – and certainly Posada. I love ST because things are nice and easy and I don’t get stressed about losing, but I don’t think I can take 4 more weeks of games that don’t count, lol.

    I read somewhere (was it in a previous thread on this blog) that AJ is not scheduled to pitch in any YES games? Ugh – that is seriously depressing.

  79. DT February 26th, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    In the deposition given for the Clemens Hearings, Andy Pettitte said he used human growth hormone in 2004, and that he got this HGH from his father.

    Hopefully if the media ever sees Andy being picked up at the stadium by his father – they will let us know right away.

    That would be a major story.

    I wonder if Mr. Pettitte was banned from Yankee Stadium?

  80. Laura - Just because I'm losing doesn't mean I'm lost! February 26th, 2009 at 7:09 pm

    “I wonder if Mr. Pettitte was banned from Yankee Stadium?”

    I doubt it.

    It has been proven time and time again that the rules for A-Rod don’t apply to everyone else.

  81. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2009 at 7:10 pm

    Joe from Long Island
    February 26th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
    GB7 – It’s part of the complexity that is Alex Rodriguez.

    Many people are complex. Alex happens to be in the spotlight.

    ————————————————————

    There’s not much question that he’s wound up a little differently than some. All I care about is that he works hard, hustles all the time and cares about winning. That’s all that matters to me. I quit idolizing ball players, singers and everybody else 40 years ago. Effort is all I expect. If that makes me indifferent or desensitzed, I couldn’t care less. Medicine has come long way in 40 years, bats are made differently, baseballs are too, gloves are bigger. Imagine what Mantle could have done if the medical procedures in his time were what they are now. Every old time player so far has said they would have used whatever helped an did. They used speed and, as for steroids, they became available well before the ’60s.

  82. Boston Dave February 26th, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    “Personally, I don’t care whether they use steroids or not. Until they can prove that they give a markedly large boost in production (which they haven’t), I’ll continue to not care.”

    GB7,

    I thought Keith Law had a good take on this in his recent ESPN chat. I thought the cortisone analogy was good as well. It’s ok for teams to inject players with cortisone but it’s not ok for players to try to recover as fast as possible if that means drugs. Or something like that :)

  83. Boston Dave February 26th, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    Laura,

    If the full list of 104 names comes out, it may not carry with Alex as long. Gammons seems to think the list is coming very soon.

    Unfortunately, other players rights will need to be violated before the general media understands that Alex is one of many.

  84. Uncle Ellsworth February 26th, 2009 at 7:19 pm

    Steroids was a problem in my High School in 1982. It stands to reason that professional trainers knew about them.

    No real point – Just thought I’d throw that out there.

  85. Jeff February 26th, 2009 at 7:20 pm

    Pat M- I totally agree. Baseball is back and the regular season is right around the corner.

  86. PAT M. February 26th, 2009 at 7:21 pm

    Betsy, At least the days of battling over Torre’s book is history….That was a rough week…And I still regret my metaphor….

  87. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    Boston Dave
    February 26th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
    “Personally, I don’t care whether they use steroids or not. Until they can prove that they give a markedly large boost in production (which they haven’t), I’ll continue to not care.”

    GB7,

    I thought Keith Law had a good take on this in his recent ESPN chat. I thought the cortisone analogy was good as well. It’s ok for teams to inject players with cortisone but it’s not ok for players to try to recover as fast as possible if that means drugs. Or something like that

    ————————————————————

    Although I don’t read Law’s writings or any of the “experts”, I’m glad to see somebody with game connections has a grasp on reality. At least he doesn’t appear to let personal dislikes, such as players who tint their hair, sunbathe in Central Park with thousands of others, date women that are older than him or, God forbid, actually use a tanning booth, get in his way of telling the full story. Never understood just who’s business that stuff was in the first place…a guy dates an older woman and she’s a skank and he’s an idiot, but a 50-60 year old guy dates a 18-21 year old woman, and he’s everybody’s hero.

  88. Phil February 26th, 2009 at 7:24 pm

    Nice to see Posada back today, wasn’t it?

  89. Uncle Ellsworth February 26th, 2009 at 7:26 pm

    Phil,
    YES! A healthy Posada can make all the difference.

  90. PAT M. February 26th, 2009 at 7:26 pm

    GB7, I think that MLB will rerun tonight the clips from today…The 61 Series was a wonderful trip back…..Moose Skowron # 14, I remember his stance and his trot around the bases after hitting a dinger..Talk about a guy who lost 15 hr’s a season playing in the Old Stadium…402 to straight away left….

  91. m February 26th, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    Yes, it was nice to see Posada and Nady have big hits.

    I would say something nice about Phil and the relievers, but I don’t want to hear from people. “It’s only spring training. It doesn’t mean anything.”

  92. Laura - Just because I'm losing doesn't mean I'm lost! February 26th, 2009 at 7:28 pm

    “If the full list of 104 names comes out, it may not carry with Alex as long. Gammons seems to think the list is coming very soon.
    Unfortunately, other players rights will need to be violated before the general media understands that Alex is one of many.”

    I go back and forth about whether these other names should come out. On the one hand, Alex shouldn’t be treated as if he’s the only cheater in the game. However, those guys agreed to the testing based on the fact that it was *supposed* to be anonymous. It is unfair to take that away from them. In the end, the person(s) who should be exposed are those who leaked Alex’s name. Why this isn’t a bigger issue in the media is beyond me.

  93. InPlay February 26th, 2009 at 7:29 pm

    BJ Cox looked good today. I know his star has fallen somewhat, but I think he is a darkhorse to make the pen out of ST.

  94. E-gawa February 26th, 2009 at 7:29 pm

    Posada and Matsui are key to this lineup so yeah it was really nice seeing him hit today.

  95. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2009 at 7:35 pm

    PAT M.
    February 26th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
    GB7, I think that MLB will rerun tonight the clips from today…The 61 Series was a wonderful trip back…..Moose Skowron # 14, I remember his stance and his trot around the bases after hitting a dinger..Talk about a guy who lost 15 hr’s a season playing in the Old Stadium…402 to straight away left….

    ————————————————————

    Kubek used to talk about those fences. He said that from 1957, when he started playing for the Yanks until he retired that he figured that Skowren and Howard lost about 10 a year and placed Mantle’s at least 20-25 a year to left (402 to 457) feet and center field (463 feet). Mantle wasn’t exactly a pull hitter. His power was to dead center and the power alleys. I would imagine DiMaggio lost quite a few, too.

    They talk about the sound off the bat being different. Ted Williams said he could tell who was batting when he was in the runways from the sound off of Mantle’s bat…that nobody had that sound.

  96. gmen21 February 26th, 2009 at 7:36 pm

    Pete,

    I need more baseball. I know you have a life but I could really use another post right about now, anything to further procrastinate studying for my mid-terms tomorrow.

  97. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother February 26th, 2009 at 7:37 pm

    “Personally, I don’t care whether they use steroids or not. Until they can prove that they give a markedly large boost in production (which they haven’t), I’ll continue to not care. At best, the most it could increase things is 5-10%.”

    - – - – - – -

    You’re not serious are you?
    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!
    Right. Athletes are spending big bucks injecting themselves with illegal substances which have even caused death to some because they don’t give them a marked advantage???

    Check out any body builder on steroids to one who isn’t.
    Stronger and faster = better. Period.

    McGwire’s and Bond’s and Sosa’s (etc. etc.) home run increases aren’t evidence enough for you in baseball alone?

    Maybe you don’t care if they use them or not, but to say they don’t help much is kind of silly.
    Give the athletes credit for being smart enough only to inject themselves with illegal drugs that will make them much better.

  98. S.A.-The 2009 MLB season is almost here February 26th, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    Tomorrow Kennedy starts things off correct?

    Newsday(I guess technically Cablevision) has plans to start charging online readers:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200.....on_newsday

  99. Laura - Just because I'm losing doesn't mean I'm lost! February 26th, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    “Posada and Matsui are key to this lineup so yeah it was really nice seeing him hit today.”

    I have to admit to being a bit concerned that Matsui isn’t ready for duty yet. I picked him to have a monster season. I hope he doesn’t prove me wrong.

  100. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    Being bigger and stronger isn’t of much value in baseball without the flexablity to be a complete player. Unless McGwire was using in the minors and his first year (49 homers) didn’t really improve him much.

  101. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother February 26th, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    Laura

    Hopefully and most likely they are just wisely being cautious with Matsui this early on.

  102. Phil February 26th, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    Steroids ruined Rueben Sierra’s once very promising career.

  103. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2009 at 7:48 pm

    Laura – Just because I’m losing doesn’t mean I’m lost!
    February 26th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
    “Posada and Matsui are key to this lineup so yeah it was really nice seeing him hit today.”

    I have to admit to being a bit concerned that Matsui isn’t ready for duty yet. I picked him to have a monster season. I hope he doesn’t prove me wrong.

    ————————————————————

    Girardi said that everything was still a go for Matsui to start playing in games by the middle of next week, and Posada should start catching by the middle of March.

  104. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    Phil
    February 26th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
    Steroids ruined Rueben Sierra’s once very promising career.

    ————————————————————

    He became top heavy and muscle bound, but, it didn’t make him hit better.

  105. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    Should be a great interview coming up on MLB-TV with Tommy John.

  106. Phil February 26th, 2009 at 7:54 pm

    GB7

    my point exactly. It ruined him, and when he was young it looked like he might be a Hall of Famer.

  107. GMAN February 26th, 2009 at 7:55 pm

    Ah Ohh!

    Another big newspaper is folding!!!
    The Rocky Mountain News…

    Expect more and more A-Rod stories…people buy controversy!

  108. GMAN February 26th, 2009 at 7:55 pm

    Ah Ohh!

    Another big newspaper is folding!!!
    The Rocky Mountain News…

    Expect more and more A-Rod stories…people buy controversy!

  109. Drive 4-5 February 26th, 2009 at 7:56 pm

    How pathetic is it that the new ballpark has obstructive views seats? The idiots who ok’d the plan are probably the same fools who designed the relocation plan that screwed thousands of season ticket holders.

    Speaking of fools, as far as A Rod goes, I was against violating the rights of 103 more people. But the season is going to be unbearable for him unless other teams’ players are named.I’m afraid his only hope is that some other star players that are still active are named especially in Boston.

  110. PittsburghYankeeFan February 26th, 2009 at 7:57 pm

    Brad Pitt’s BLB

    Steroids give 5-10% at best. The rest is mental. That’s the irony of this whole thing.

    Baseball is about timing, not physical strength. Look at golfers–some of the biggest hitters on tour look like Edwar Ramirez.

    Ballplayers are not really the brightest bulbs on the planet. Give them saline injections, they probably would step up their performance and think it was the injection.

  111. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother February 26th, 2009 at 7:58 pm

    That’s the rub. We’ll never know exactly when each individual player started using. Or which ones cycled it constantly and which ones only did it during a contract year.

    Btw, when all these newspapers go under where is my puppy supposed to pee?

  112. jennifer February 26th, 2009 at 7:58 pm

    I am watching the game now. And I have to say, that it was not an entirely Yankee crowd. Listen to when Jeter makes out, lots of cheers. It is bandwagon Tampa Bay Devil Ray fans.

  113. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2009 at 7:58 pm

    Phil
    February 26th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
    GB7

    my point exactly. It ruined him, and when he was young it looked like he might be a Hall of Famer.

    ————————————————————

    Was it that or was it because he was over relient on weight lifting?

  114. PAT M. February 26th, 2009 at 8:03 pm

    I agree with Laura, Matsui in the 5 hole and Posada hitting behind his are vital for success in 09….They lenghten and deepen the lineup…Swiher / Nady then Cano 8th is an amazingly powerful lineup, the best in baseball….This club has the makings of being the best squad since 03….Berroa needs to make the club..If he can bounce back he’ll add great depth as Giradi can start giving Derek a blow more often…..Got to like our chances in 09…..

  115. Phil February 26th, 2009 at 8:03 pm

    he blew up in 1991, and probably was lifting along with his roids, but he wouldn’t have gotten as big and inflexible as he did without the juice. It wrecked his quick bat and defensive ability.

  116. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother February 26th, 2009 at 8:03 pm

    Baseball players are FAR from the only athletes that use it and gain from it though.
    Wherever this 5 to 10% number came from I can guarantee is from a shady area (if u know what I mean).
    Maybe it doesn’t help poor players with no talent anyway, but it makes good athletes great and great athletes historic.

    Again, they wouldn’t take these risks for some 5% gain. Risk/reward not enough. Illegal injected drugs mean a better return than that.

  117. jennifer February 26th, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    Phil wasn’t wearing glasses? Did he get lasik eye surgery ?

  118. Mo-Butter February 26th, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    “Ballplayers are not really the brightest bulbs on the planet. Give them saline injections, they probably would step up their performance and think it was the injection.”

    ——————————————
    That is called a placebo effect. You would be just as prone to assume it was the injection as an yupid ballplayer

  119. gmen21 February 26th, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    drive 4 5

    I agree it is absolutely ridiculous that they would build this stadium with that many obstructed view seats in the bleachers. With all the talk about improved sight lines Im sure they could of figured somehting out even with that restaurant there.

    however, i have no problem paying 5 dollars to experience the game in person and still watch the few plays i cant see on a tv monitor. especially for big games against the sox and mets.

  120. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother February 26th, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    Anyone have a camera shot anywhere of just how obstructed these bleacher seats are?
    I am cheap (poor) enough to maybe partake if it’s not that bad…

  121. jennifer February 26th, 2009 at 8:09 pm

    Lots of band wagoners sitting behind home plate. How could we let that happen?

  122. S.A.-The 2009 MLB season is almost here February 26th, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    Phil wasn’t wearing glasses? Did he get lasik eye surgery ?

    ==========================

    Maybe he was wearing contacts?

  123. Tom February 26th, 2009 at 8:12 pm

    Classy move by Teixeira:

    • Teixeira called Red Sox GM Theo Epstein to thank him for their interest after Teixeira signed with the Yankees for $180 million and rebuffed Boston’s final offer, which is believed to have been $170 million. While some Bostonians have taken Teixeira’s decision hard, Epstein, who saw Teixeira as exactly the right man to improve their offense for eight years to come, had only kind words for Teixeira and said he perfectly understood why he would take the higher offer, especially with family in New York and New York being much closer to his hometown of Severna Park, Md.

  124. jennifer February 26th, 2009 at 8:12 pm

    sa- ha ha could be.

  125. rodg12 February 26th, 2009 at 8:12 pm

    PittsburghYankeeFan -
    Bravo. Spot on with your analysis.

  126. S.A.-The 2009 MLB season is almost here February 26th, 2009 at 8:14 pm

    http://slidingintohome.blogspo.....adium.html

  127. Betsy February 26th, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    Pat M, Torre’s book now belongs to the good old days – I really wish that was all that we had to get worked up about.

    I tape almost every single WS hightlight show that MLB airs – it’s so much fun to watch. Two nights ago, I watched the 1961 WS between the Reds and the Yanks and before that I watched the 1964 WS between the Cards/Yanks and 1967 Cards/Sox. It was VERY weird to see Elston Howard in a Sox uniform and Maris in a Cards uniform…..I’m getting a chance to not just see the great players in action, but even some other players that I’ve heard about. I also recently watched the 1969 WS – WOW to the Tommy Agee and Ron Swoboda plays. The O’s must have felt like they were snake bit – holy cow. I guess I’ve seen those plays before, but never in the full context of the actual game. Coming up on my schedule? 1957/1958 WS between Braves and Yanks ( I love Hank Aaron)…….

  128. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    NYY is going to miss Justin Christian a lot more than they’ll gain from Cabrera. Gardner/Christian would have been a very good platoon.

  129. Boston Dave February 26th, 2009 at 8:17 pm

    I don’t think anybody is claiming that steroids aren’t cheating. Alex, along with many others, cheated.

    I do think it’s perfectly reasonable to wonder just how much, if any, steroids helps baseball players. Does it help them all equally?

    There just isn’t enough knowledge/data out there to answer this.

    My personal belief is that because they weren’t being tested for it, it’s fair game. Once testing starts it’s a different story.

    We can talk about rules and laws all we want. I only care about rules and laws that are actually ENFORCED!

  130. jennifer February 26th, 2009 at 8:18 pm

    Wow Jose looks like he lost a lot of weight.

  131. Bo knows February 26th, 2009 at 8:19 pm

    I was with the Ukrainian Olympic team in Atlanta for over a month including competitions as expediter/interpreter. Coaches told me, (these were high level ex Soviet Union coaches), that steroids were passe, they were interested in “complex vitamins” available to the American athletes. I was there on the field when C Lewis was long jumping far behind his opponents. He called for his trainer left for 20 minutes, came back and jumped his longest distance in four years and won the Gold. The subject is more complex than than the information available.

  132. Mark February 26th, 2009 at 8:19 pm

    I can’t admire Arod anymore. Of course he’s also making it easier to dislike him because of all the dumb things he keeps doing.

  133. Mr. Scott February 26th, 2009 at 8:21 pm

    I called the ticket office about my season tickets yesterday the guy on the phone sounded like the ticket office doesn’t know which way is up & which way is down.

  134. InPlay February 26th, 2009 at 8:21 pm

    Mark, I agree 100%

  135. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2009 at 8:22 pm

    Betsy
    February 26th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
    Pat M, Torre’s book now belongs to the good old days – I really wish that was all that we had to get worked up about.

    I tape almost every single WS hightlight show that MLB airs – it’s so much fun to watch. Two nights ago, I watched the 1961 WS between the Reds and the Yanks and before that I watched the 1964 WS between the Cards/Yanks and 1967 Cards/Sox. It was VERY weird to see Elston Howard in a Sox uniform and Maris in a Cards uniform…..I’m getting a chance to not just see the great players in action, but even some other players that I’ve heard about. I also recently watched the 1969 WS – WOW to the Tommy Agee and Ron Swoboda plays. The O’s must have felt like they were snake bit – holy cow. I guess I’ve seen those plays before, but never in the full context of the actual game. Coming up on my schedule? 1957/1958 WS between Braves and Yanks ( I love Hank Aaron)…….

    ————————————————————

    That ’64 Series was the last of the real Mickey Mantle. The third game walk off bomb hit off the back wall of the upper deck. Amazingly, he told Ellie Howard before walking to the plate that if Schultz threw up that “horse slop” knuckler, he was going to nail the first pitch. He had trouble with Hoyt Wilhem’s knucker, but, if it wasn’t a good one, he could hammer it.

  136. Al February 26th, 2009 at 8:23 pm

    I still think Christian is a better hitter than Gardner. He is very fast himself too

  137. Phil February 26th, 2009 at 8:23 pm

    Boston Dave,

    The other issue is: Baseball has always supported cheating.

    Gaylord Perry and countless other Hall of Fame pitcher cheated as much as they could. And, indeed, their cheating was directly involved in the course of a ballgame, ie. here comes the spitball.

    Steroids, though also cheating, were a form of cheating through attempted self-improvement. In other words, the cheating was done outside of the game.

    I frankly think in game cheating is worse than out of game cheating.

  138. Betsy February 26th, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    Tom, do you have a link?

    Thanks for posting that – Tex is truly a classy, good guy who happens to be an outstanding player. I am extremely happy I will have the chance to root for this guy for years to come……..I feel lucky as well. You just don’t read about gestures like this too often – if this doesn’t show what a solid citizen Tex is, nothing will. He’s so easy to root for…….and easy on the eyes, too, I might add!

  139. Al February 26th, 2009 at 8:26 pm

    Swisher’s quick-cut is up on YesNetwork.com, FYI

  140. Betsy February 26th, 2009 at 8:28 pm

    GB, I wish I could have the memories that you do……….but I can’t complain – I’ve been able to root for some wonderful players and have also experienced a dynasty of my own. Mickey Mantle must have been really something – I know his numbers because I love baseball history, but it’s almost like he’s a mythicial creature. I’m not sure he would have been my favorite player – I think Maris might have (because I tend to favor the quieter guys)…..or Yogi (but then, everyone loves Yogi).

  141. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother February 26th, 2009 at 8:31 pm

    Thanks S.A. !!!!!

  142. ray (sox fan) February 26th, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    I have a hunch that Arod will be questioned all year because he doesn’t have the common sense to stay away from controversy. Say all you want about how a cousin is family but if that cousin is your steroid supplier then you don’t hang around with him at the park!

    Even sports talk people like Jay T the Brick who is a life long Yankee’s fan questions Arod’s common sense and intellect.

    I don’t think he is smart enough to stay out of trouble. In case this just sounds like a Boston fan taking pot shots, I will readily admit that Boston also has players that are not particularly bright.

    Papelbon is a good closer but I wouldn’t be surprised if his IQ hovers right around room temperature on a cool day! :)

  143. Russomcbo78 February 26th, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    YEAH GREAT 5$ bleacher seat..if u can get em of course

    stubhub price should be like 50$-60$

  144. Boston Dave February 26th, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    Phil,

    very good point.

    I’m not personally trying to defend cheating. I believe Alex meant to cheat whether he knew it would help or not.

    I just see the issue(s) as being far beyond one person, yet one person is taking an unreasonable amount of the blame.

    If Alex is able to make it through all of this, he deserves at least a little respect. It’s not easy being the fall guy.

  145. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother February 26th, 2009 at 8:38 pm

    At least it looks like bleacher spectators would have been spared having to witness Bobby Abreau’s right field wall (not so close) encounters from the looks of things.

  146. Phil February 26th, 2009 at 8:39 pm

    Boston Dave,

    I didn’t think you were. The humor of this thing is that morons are comparing the steroid era to something that never existed: clean baseball.

    There never has been clean baseball. From the start teams and players have broken every rule they could get away with in their drives to win.

  147. Boston Dave February 26th, 2009 at 8:39 pm

    ray,

    while I agree with you to an extent, it’s hard for me to judge how Alex treats his family.

    Maybe they are very close. Maybe they’re best friends.

    If Alex said he wasn’t going to speak to his cousin anymore, he’d get ripped for not being a family man.

    I get your point and it’s valid, but I think it’s a mix of poor judgment on Alex’s part coupled with an unnaturally high amount of dislike for a guy who isn’t media-savvy and is sports’ highest paid athlete.

  148. ray (sox fan) February 26th, 2009 at 8:43 pm

    Boston Dave,

    Perhaps the example of his cousin isn’t the best one, but it was the most recent one so it was the one that came to mind.

    I can definitely appreciate that dealing with family under those circumstances is a delicate matter.

  149. Boston Dave February 26th, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    Phil,

    if only people understood that.

    It’s not just sports either. Put anybody in a situation where there is potential for huge reward or success, and see what happens. Further, put people in that situation and make it clear that “cheating” or “unethical actions” are frowned upon but will not be enforced or tracked.

    In a sense, we’re all hypocrites.

    I can’t personally say I wouldn’t have used PED’s if I were a fringe player trying to make it. Should Alex have used? I don’t know… but all things considered I have a hard time judging him for it. I certainly don’t blame him for a sportwide and worldwide problem.

    greed.

  150. Phil February 26th, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    Boston Dave,

    Exactly, he didn’t invent steroids or introduce them to baseball. In fact, his use of them came at the very tail end of the story. But, he is in this time taking all the blamed for all of it. And the public doesn’t even know or get what “it” was.

  151. PAT M. February 26th, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    As always, Bo Knows brings his A game when ever he pops up……GB7, I remember that Mantle moonshot as if it were yesterday, that ball was hammered and of course the Mantle trot , # 2 The Crow ran down from hiS 3rd basebase coaches box slapping The Mick’s back…..Oh the pain of game 7, never thought that was the end of the dynasty…They had all those great young pitchers, plus Pepi, Tommy Tresh…Still saddens me

  152. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother February 26th, 2009 at 8:49 pm

    At the risk of being called a moron by the likes of you, Phil, I think most thinking people can differentiate somewhat between various forms of what you call cheating. Maybe you can’t.
    Saying steroids usage equals (insert your form of “cheating” here) is comparing apples with oranges.
    Breaking the law by Jaywalking is not the same as say, Carjacking, and isn’t treated as such.

  153. Boston Dave February 26th, 2009 at 8:51 pm

    Brad Pitt,

    if the government said they weren’t going to enforce carjacking, how would you feel about that?

  154. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    Betsy
    February 26th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
    GB, I wish I could have the memories that you do……….but I can’t complain – I’ve been able to root for some wonderful players and have also experienced a dynasty of my own. Mickey Mantle must have been really something – I know his numbers because I love baseball history, but it’s almost like he’s a mythicial creature. I’m not sure he would have been my favorite player – I think Maris might have (because I tend to favor the quieter guys)…..or Yogi (but then, everyone loves Yogi).

    ————————————————————

    Mantle was pretty much a mythical creature when he was playing. Much of it came from how hard he played, especially when guys from other teams would see him wrapping his legs from ankle to thigh during All-Star games. It’s hard to imagine how a HOF player could say that his idol was a player that he playe against, and they’re the same age. Al Kaline said that it was a few years before he had the guys to introduce himself to Mantle. He said Mantle just laughed and wondered why Kaline was so stuck up. Every pitcher in baseball knew that he couldn’t move his legs out of the way from a pitched ball, and, only one ever threw at his legs and was nearly murdered by his own players.

    Part of the myth was the unbelievable speed even into his early 30s, but, it was the power. Williams and Cobb talked about him and said he was the most physically gifted player they ever saw, and the only thing that kept him from being a .400 hitter was that he was too stubborn, that he swung as hard as he could in every at bat.

    I was lucky to see him on TV, but, I also got to see him play live in Cleveland, Chicago and Detroit when he was still Mickey Mantle. I saw him hit one completely out of Cominsky Park to left (double deck), roof was 90 feet above ground level and the one in Detroit in September of 1960 that cleared the roof in right center and landed in a lumber yard across the street (643 feet). If you see the ’71 All Star game where Reggie Jackson hit the transformer on the light tower, Mantle’s went about 75 feet to the left of that and cleared the roof. The 643 feet was a measured distance and had 3 witnesses that saw it land.
    The pitche was Paul Foytack, who is the only pitcher to ever give up 4 consecutive homers in a game….until Chase Wright.

  155. pat February 26th, 2009 at 8:55 pm

    ray

    I’m not sure with Alex it is an IQ problem but rather an EQ problem.

    People who smoke intelectually know it’s going to harm them yet they still do it. People who are obese intellectually know it can shorten their life but still overeat or under exert. Alex seems to know what the right thing to do is but always seems to do the wrong thing. To me that shows a low emotional quotient rather than intelligence quotient.

    With Papelbon, it does seem like an IQ issue though. :wink:

  156. DT February 26th, 2009 at 8:56 pm

    Should Andy Pettitte’s father and Alex Rodriguez’s cousin be treated differently?

  157. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother February 26th, 2009 at 8:57 pm

    The government would need some kind of test or barometer to prove the carjacking, right?
    The players union did not agree to meaningful tests.
    (if that’s where you are trying to go with this.)

    I would hope the government would not incarcerate me on SUSPICION of carjacking. That is the boat MLB was in. Can’t blow the whistle on anyone without proof, or the ability to gain the proof, right?

  158. Christina February 26th, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    jennifer, not sure if your question was answered, but Phil did receive Lasik this offseason.

  159. Boston Dave February 26th, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    ray,

    for the record, I’m told Ellsbury is probably the least intelligent guy on the team. He’s friendly though so he makes up for it. Papelbon and Beckett… not so much.

  160. ray (sox fan) February 26th, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    Pat,

    I think your points about the difference between IQ and EQ in regard to Arod are right on target.

    And unfortunately I think your point about Papelbon is also very accurate. :)

  161. dave February 26th, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    Chris said: “The fans too have no credibility b/c we blindly showed up and watched the games as the muscles grew bigger and the homeruns went up. ”

    Chris,

    Thats only true if that same fan claims now that they would stop going to games if they knew players are still doing roids now. And some of them are. So anyone who thinks that should not go to a single game. As for the rest of us who really dont care either way, we will continue going to games now and claim that players doing roids will never impact us actually attending games.

  162. Boston Dave February 26th, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    Brad Pitt,

    If cars were being stolen, wouldn’t you expect the police/government to take some sort of action?

    MLB did nothing. I blame them as much, or more, than the cheating players.

    How can you honestly defend MLB for not having any penalties for using steroids during that era?

    For most intents and purposes, IMO, no penalty = legal.

  163. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    PAT M.
    February 26th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
    As always, Bo Knows brings his A game when ever he pops up……GB7, I remember that Mantle moonshot as if it were yesterday, that ball was hammered and of course the Mantle trot , # 2 The Crow ran down from hiS 3rd basebase coaches box slapping The Mick’s back…..Oh the pain of game 7, never thought that was the end of the dynasty…They had all those great young pitchers, plus Pepi, Tommy Tresh…Still saddens me

    ————————————————————

    I know. That killed me almost as much as 1960. How can you lose a game that Mantle, Boyer and Phil Linz all homer off of Bob Gibson.

    One history making note. The first and only time that two brothers ever homered in the same WS game….one for each team. Kenny Boyer also hit one.

  164. Uncle Ellsworth February 26th, 2009 at 9:04 pm

    Damon does not seem to be a rock scientist.

  165. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother February 26th, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    Boston Dave

    Baseball could not hand out penalties for that which they could not test to have the proof! Can’t you realize this?

    They can’t say “Mr. McGwire, we are fining you and suspending you because you hit 70 dingers last year and we suspect you are on steroids even though we are not yet allowed to test for them.”

    There was not a lot they could do, Dave. Just keep plugging away at the union trying to get some form of testing ratified.

  166. Phil February 26th, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    Brad Pitt

    I was looking at it morally. I don’t know what was legal or illegal as far as the broad spectrum of PEDS were concerned at any given moment that the players were doing them. I do know that the greenies were illegal from the early seventies on but only banned in baseball recently. Sorry, when it comes cheating at baseball, I don’t think the larger laws are any more sacred than the baseball laws.

  167. Boston Dave February 26th, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    Ellsworth,

    you’re probably right. not sure how this convo got started though. MLB players aren’t paid to be smart :)

  168. Tom February 26th, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    Every time I see the video of Mantle’s 500 hr, I have to remind myself he was Jeter’s age. He looked 10 years older.

  169. Boston Dave February 26th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    Brad Pitt,

    We’re gonna have to agree to disagree.

    I believe that MLB could have done plenty. I think you’re in the vast minority on that one.

  170. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother February 26th, 2009 at 9:08 pm

    Game 7 ’64 World Series. My first remembrance of watching a baseball game (7 years old). A long time to suffer from that day until the 1976 pennant.

  171. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother February 26th, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    Boston Dave

    no problem agreeing to disagree.
    hopefully we’ll always have that (so sometimes I’m not so sure…)

  172. Uncle Ellsworth February 26th, 2009 at 9:11 pm

    Yeah there’s no reason to dog on other guys when AROD is the topic.
    Think about this though – Schilling seems pretty intelligent…but he is also an idiot.
    the duality of man
    AROD probably pretty smart – but he gets in his own way.

  173. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    Tom
    February 26th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
    Every time I see the video of Mantle’s 500 hr, I have to remind myself he was Jeter’s age. He looked 10 years older.

    ————————————————————

    Mantle said that running wasn’t the issue…it was being able to stop…it killed him. In his last few years, he could still beat out infield hits, but, he had to run about 100 or more feet down the right field line and coast to a stop.

  174. you gotta have faith (bronx zoo 2009) February 26th, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    seeing teix in pinstripes today was weird, but in a good way.

    now wats really going to be weird is next week when jeter is playing against us and turning double plays with the likes of youk and pedroia. UGH.

  175. Boston Dave February 26th, 2009 at 9:15 pm

    Brad Pitt,

    we’re all Yankee fans. it’s easy to forget that when we’re arguing over less important topics.

  176. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother February 26th, 2009 at 9:16 pm

    Phil

    The thing is I do remember so many Americans’ incredulity about the East German women’s swimming team (what a bunch of babes! lol) and the Russians and such and their steroid usage and how it completely altered the results of so many Olympic events in the 70′s.
    I guess that was tempered when our steroids got better than theirs – or at least more difficult to detect.
    Illegally injecting drugs into your body is quite a step, one that is done for the sole purpose of making you as an athlete something you are really not.

  177. Doris from Rego Park February 26th, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    God the Rangers suck…

  178. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2009 at 9:18 pm

    Damon may not be a neurosurgeon, but, he’s no dummy. He does have a bad speach impediment, though. As far as I’m concerned, he and George Steinbrenner can do no wrong . The work, time and money he gives to the “Wounded Warrior Program” earns that from me.

  179. jennifer February 26th, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    Christina

    Thanks! I know Jose did, I wasn’t sure if Phil did as well.

  180. PAT M. February 26th, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    GB7, They talk about the 5 tool player, Mantle was a seven tool player because he could hit and hit for power from both sides of the plate……Yeah the 1960 Pittsburgh WS was unlike anything before or since….Casey lost his job because of the mental blunder of not starting Whitey in Game 1….I think they outscored them 3 to 1 in those 7 games…The bad hop grounder that almost killed Tony Kubek summed up the entire series…

  181. Phil February 26th, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    Brad Pitt,

    I don’t know if the effect was the same in baseball. The studies they are doing hasn’t pinned that down.

    I do; however, know that Tommy John cutting the ball and as he got older pitching from in front of the rubber made him a better pitcher than he was at that point.

  182. Tom February 26th, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    Here’s an article by a writer who did a cycle of ‘roids while researching a novel he was writing:

    http://www.esquire.com/features/steroids-0408

  183. Joey's Poodle February 26th, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    Damon overcame the severity of his stuttering enough to be able to speak intelligibly to the press and doesn’t get enough credit for persevering even when he has to do a lot of stopping and starting to get a sentence out. A lot of guys would have used that as an excuse to just be inaccessible.

  184. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother February 26th, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    Phil
    All I can say to that is look at the home run totals of Sosa, McGwire and Bonds during that time and the answer is right there.
    In the history of baseball nothing approached what those three were doing every year for awhile. Surely not a coincidence?

  185. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    PAT M.
    February 26th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
    GB7, They talk about the 5 tool player, Mantle was a seven tool player because he could hit and hit for power from both sides of the plate……Yeah the 1960 Pittsburgh WS was unlike anything before or since….Casey lost his job because of the mental blunder of not starting Whitey in Game 1….I think they outscored them 3 to 1 in those 7 games…The bad hop grounder that almost killed Tony Kubek summed up the entire series…

    ————————————————————

    NYY outhit, outpitched and outfielded Pittsburgh and lost on a pebble. Ralph Terry said Stengel had him warming up in every inning from the 2nd inning through the end, and was completely spent. Stengel stood by his decision to start Ford at home, right until the end. There was a play on a liner caught by the Pittsburgh 1st baseman in the 7th or 8th inning that showed just how quick thinking Mantle was and if they had won the game, it would have been one of the great plays in Series history. One out, Mantle on first, liner to first and Mantle stopped dead and dove back into first base just as the guy tagged him and NYY took the lead a batter later.

  186. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    Har to believe that on the play to Kubek, he actually got tagged with an error. Kubek found out about 3 years later that he actually had a broken bone in his neck. The military didn’t find it in ’62 and it bothered him the rest of his career. Look at his numbers before and after that play.

  187. Tom February 26th, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    That Forbes field wall still stands in Pittsburgh. I was there visiting family over the summer and they took me to it.

  188. Uncle Ellsworth February 26th, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    sorry about the Damon comment – it stemmed from his comments about AROD (of course)
    Always liked him (even when he was a Self proclaimed idiot)

    and I know it is RockET Scientist

  189. Phil February 26th, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    Brad Pitt,

    Other things were going on at the same time: expansion, smaller parks, jacked up balls (1987-), year round weightlifting and conditioning, maple bats, continued use of greenies, etc. It’s hard to separate out the exact effect of the roids.

  190. PAT M. February 26th, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    Was that 1b Dick Stuart ????

  191. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother February 26th, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    ok, I give up phil.
    can’t be the steroids.

  192. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2009 at 9:52 pm

    PAT M.
    February 26th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
    Was that 1b Dick Stuart ????

    ————————————————————

    PAT, I can’t remember who it was. Stuart was the regular 1st baseman, but, not sure without looking it up. I keep thinking no, but, just not sure. Seems to me that it was the backup 1st baseman, though.

  193. Phil February 26th, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    Brad Pitt,

    can’t be only the steroids and it wasn’t. Plus with the huge % of players who were doing them, we had an even playing field, baseball not only recovered from the strike, but it became bigger than ever.

  194. B of A B.A.D. February 26th, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    SO Glad that B of A is not partnering with the Yankees. They are the very worst of the worst. It will be nice to see them fold soon.

  195. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    PAT, that Pirate first baseman was Rocky Nelson, backup 1st baseman, who played the entire game, oddly enough.

  196. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother February 26th, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    ok phil, right.

    Dick Stuart = the original Dr. Strangeglove?

  197. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 26th, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    “Kay was in no position to defend A-Rod without coming off as Yankee-Schill and lose his credibility. I’d like to think A-Rod would be smart enough to realize that. It’s apart of his job.”

    There’s not defending him, and making it clear that you don’t agree with what he’s done or condone it – and then there’s Michael Kay’s melodromatic rants of the last month.

    One of these things is NOT like the other.

    That’s all I’m saying.

  198. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    B of A B.A.D.
    February 26th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
    SO Glad that B of A is not partnering with the Yankees. They are the very worst of the worst. It will be nice to see them fold soon.

    ————————————————————

    One good thing you can say about Bank Of America, though….they don’t troll sports boards.

  199. Uncle Ellsworth February 26th, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    Tom
    That SI article was very interesting.

  200. jennifer February 26th, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    Wow I am watching the game now. Yogi is looking old. :(

  201. PAT M. February 26th, 2009 at 10:15 pm

    Rocky Nelson, thank’s GB…

  202. dave February 26th, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    Brad pitt,

    You can say that using sosa and mcgwire and bonds and their numbers but can you really look at arods numbers and say with a straight face that they are significantly different than those he put up in other seasons?

    I mean everyone knows that texas is very friendly to right handed power hitters – arlington is known for that. Need more proof? Just like at how many homers teixeira hit in a rangers uni.

    He hit the most in his career in texas. So did arod. None of arods other stats differed all that much from any other season. Plus, his two best seasons were in ny and seattle – 10 years apart and at opposite ends of his career. Arods stats certainly dont prove a thing about how steroids may or may not have impacted his game. It certainly doesnt appear so based on the stats alone.

  203. dave February 26th, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    I think we are all yankee fans too at most points so why are we arguing over some of the smaller things. But how can someone who cheers when arod grounds into a DP and cheers actually say they are a yankee fan?? That is just beyond ridiculous. They might as well find another team to root for at that point.

  204. Betsy February 26th, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    I just watched most of the game (on tape) and I liked what I saw for the most part.

    Phil looked good even though he hit two batters – the first barely brushed the uniform of the first man. He had a great sequence against Carl Crawford and then showed a very nasty curve (I think?) to some poor schmo in the 2nd – I forget who it was. I thought he threw well today – yes, he wasn’t overly sharp, but that’s to be expected in his first outing of spring. The key is, Phil wasn’t all over the place – today was definitely something he could build on.

    Alex made a nice defensive play to open the 2nd and Cano made a terrific play later in the game. I couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw Bruney -wow, lol. Coke was fine – again, it’s not fair to expect these guys to be sharp at this point. I have not yet watched Melancon or Albaladejo yet…..

    Posada REALLY got good wood on the ball…that’s very encouraging. It was also pretty nice to see Tex at 1B ….nice? Talk about an understatement, lol

  205. NYYanksFan February 26th, 2009 at 10:30 pm

    Cashman, Girardi and Rodriguez all said the situation was handled and they wouldn’t comment further but a source seemed to know what the conversation entailed. The Federal government may have leaked A-Rod’s name but Cashman seems to have a few leaks in his office too that might need shoring up.

  206. Al February 26th, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    What if Cashman shares the same opinion of ARod as the guys who leak the information?

  207. gayle February 26th, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    Can we mention the biggest news of the day Tom Brady and Gisele allegedly got married today according to US Weekly.

  208. yankee 822 February 26th, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    I bet a good portion of those anonymous Anti-ARod comments come from Cashman himself.

    There were virtually no leaks the entire off-season now all of a sudden they are coming in bunches? Cashman is probably the source of it lol

  209. Betsy February 26th, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    One thing I remember about Mantle, unfortunately, was his funeral – I remember Roy Clark singing ….shoot, I forgot the name of the song, but I was pretty much bawling. It was so touching ……….

  210. Montclair February 26th, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    Nobody else is annoyed that we were led to believe that ARod was the clean HR king when in reality his numbers were tainted? And he actually negotiated a contract to break the milestones cleanly and now we know that is a farce.

  211. KING FELIX February 26th, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    The media are the only people who can decide A-Rod’s legacy and place in the HOF. I know he’s not the sharpest tool in the shed by any stretch, but I would think he knows better than to alienate them.

  212. Betsy February 26th, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    Ray (Sox fan), I don’t think A-Rod isn’t smart – but perhaps he just lacks some common sense. I think you can be intelligent in many ways (brain power wise), but not smart in the ways of life. I’ll use myself as an example – I consider myself to be fairly intelligent, but I certainly have no street smarts and I don’t always use common sense. I often speak before I think, unfortunately. Sometime last year, I made some comments in conversation with my co-workers that apparently upset a couple of them. I was mortified when my supervisor discussed them with me (totally non-judgmentally as she knew I didn’t mean anything by the comments) because I never thought how my co-workers would react. I just didn’t think – the words just came out of my mouth. “I just didn’t think” is probably going to be my epitaph, lol.

    Alex didn’t go to college, so he didn’t get a complete education. I don’t think there is any way he can be intellectually impoverished because he’s a pretty good businessman (in terms of the $$$, etc…that he’s negotiated for himself) – didn’t he work a lot with Tom Hicks when he was with the Rangers? I think Alex likes to dip his toes in different ventures…..Now socially, it may be another story, but that’s how it is with a lot of people. Lenny Dykstra – go figure him. He lisped (not that there is anything wrong with that, but he wasn’t a great speaker) and, by his accounts, is not interested at all in reading. He happens to be a financial whiz -unbelievable, lol.

    I personally didn’t think this most recent story was a big deal, though I have no problem with the Yankees banning the cousin from the ballpark. I just think this is an example of A-Rod not thinking – something I am guilty of a lot of the time. I guess that’s maybe why I don’t judge him too harshly because of that.

  213. m February 26th, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    Montclair,

    Yes. And I’m irritated that MLB promoted Alex when they knew (I think they did) that he was tainted. And now they shun him like last week’s garbage.

    So the concensus is leave A-rod alone because steroids don’t do anything (then why take them for 3 years?) and everyone (except 4 guys) was doing them? But we can still look down on Bonds, Sosa, Palmeiro, and McGwire? Sound about right?

  214. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2009 at 10:55 pm

    Betsy
    February 26th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
    One thing I remember about Mantle, unfortunately, was his funeral – I remember Roy Clark singing ….shoot, I forgot the name of the song, but I was pretty much bawling. It was so touching ……….

    ————————————————————

    The song was “Yesterday, When I Was Young”. Mantle and Clark became close friends back in the ’70s and had asked Clark to sing at the song at his funeral if he died before Clark. Clark could hardly hold himself together through the song.

  215. Montclair February 26th, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    m,

    I think it’s pretty clear that most people are blinded by their Yankee loyalty and think Alex can do no wrong. If it was Ortiz who did all these things, the outlooks here would be quite different.

  216. Clare February 26th, 2009 at 10:59 pm

    GB7,

    My last post disappeared into the ether – so apologies if this is a repeat, but part of it was about your earlier comment about Damon. I agree, what he does for Wounded Warrior is great, but did you read his book? He’s not the sharpest tool in the shed, and not an admirable person in many respects. However, I forgave him for everything in the book after seeing him in his first game in pinstripes. He just couldn’t hide his grin. You could tell he loved the game and loved being a Yankee.

  217. Carl79 February 26th, 2009 at 11:00 pm

    I respect baseball history, so yes, I am upset that A-Rod lied to us and had there not been a witch hunt against him, he would have wrongly been crowned the ‘clean’ HR king and been revered in baseball for something that he wasn’t (clean).

    In the upcoming years, we would have been cheering him breaking records that ultimately would be tainted. We would have all been made fools.

    I think we may owe Selena Roberts a thank you card rather than hate mail.

  218. jax gmen February 26th, 2009 at 11:02 pm

    hughes is going to be a good one,

    he should get plenty of opportunists to pitch this yr when burnett goes on the DL

  219. DT February 26th, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    “I think we may owe Selena Roberts a thank you card rather than hate mail.”

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  220. Betsy February 26th, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    One thing I liked seeing in the ’64 WS highlights was Mel Stottlemeyer – was he really as good as I’ve heard?

  221. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2009 at 11:09 pm

    It’s no excuse for Rodriguez with the decisions that he’s made, although, he’s been pretty much protected and sheltered from reality by Boras for more than half of his life. He should have outgrown the need for a protector, but, he didn’t. Can’t blame it on his upbringing, because from all outward appearances, his siblings seem to be well adjusted, but, he’s been a star athlete for ever. Boras had a gold mine and knew it. However, these decisions were Rodriguez’ to make and he chose poorly.

    It comes down to the same rasons people drink themselves into a stupor (Mickey Mantle). Insecurity, fear of losing the only thing that you do best, thinking that players were passing you by. Ultimately, though, it comes down to making bad decisions. You’d have to think that Cynthia Rodriguez made most of the decisions in that household because he couldn’t….just a guess, though

  222. Clare February 26th, 2009 at 11:11 pm

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    Did you read Roberts’ article about ARod sunbathing in Central Park, or being “not exactly a slumlord” or her Duke lacrosse articles?

    She’s a biased, agenda-driven hack, who will never get a thank you from me, regardless of the fact that she got this one right (although singling out ARod out of 104 others in the proecess and benefitting from someone’s spiteful violating of ARod’s 4th Amendment rights in the process).

  223. rodg12 February 26th, 2009 at 11:12 pm

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    Cold medicine has been proven ineffective in treating the common cold in numerous studies. Yet millions upon millions of people take cold medicine every year regardless. Just because someone takes something, doesn’t mean that it works. Also, I don’t think many people don’t think steroids don’t work at all. I think many people question the degree to which they work. Not to mention, it’s been found that the users have been roughly 50% pitchers and 50% hitters. So, maybe the steroids helped the hitter hit a HR off a non-use, but then it’s just as possible that steroids helped the pitcher get that hitter out another time. The overall effect of steroids on player performance is a very complicated issue.

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  225. rodg12 February 26th, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    m -
    Oh, and nice close to the quarter by the Lakers there. We should really be able to exploit the Suns inside tonight, especially when Shaq is out of the game.

  226. m February 26th, 2009 at 11:15 pm

    GB7,

    I am loathe, LOATHE, to use an absent father for an excuse for anything.

    But, I can see why Alex has built up such a large support system around him. If he had a father in his life, he would probably be going to him for advice.

  227. Betsy February 26th, 2009 at 11:15 pm

    Green Beret – thanks! Oh man, I can hear the song in my head now…….Also, thanks for the history lessons – it’s absolutely fascinating. I had no idea Tony Kubek was pretty seriously hurt on the grounder – wow, what a shame. In the blink of an eye, how a career can be changed……

  228. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2009 at 11:17 pm

    Betsy, Stottlemyre was a HOF pitcher. He won 163 games with the worst teams in Yankee history and still won 20 games or more in 3 seasons. He was also a great fielder and a very good hitter. In his rookie year (’64, when he made his first start in August) he pitched a complete game shutout and went 5-5 at the plate. The next year he had a two homer game and an inside the park Grand Slam. He was like watching Wang pitch, few strikeouts, and a ton of ground balls. He was pitching well in ’74 when he tore the rotator cuff and tabrum in his arm. That was the finish of his career. 9 full seasons and 2 seasons of 2 months each.

  229. YankeeJosh February 26th, 2009 at 11:18 pm

    My big problem with the steroids/HGH thing is the double standard. Players who too amphetemines/greenies aren’t crucified the way steroid and HGH users are, even though their offense is equally as bad. Greenies are illegal without a prescription and are PEDs. Yet nobody is threatening to take Hank Aaron’s record away because he most likely took them. It was “just part of the game” Well then, the same standard has to hold for steroids. What’s good for the goose must also be good for the gander.

  230. m February 26th, 2009 at 11:18 pm

    rodg12,

    I’m not arguing their effectiveness. It’s just that’s an invalid reason to give A-rod a pass.

    Of course it’s merely a coincidence that 14 of the last 26 MVP’s have been linked to steroids. Does that mean that more than 50% of the players are roiding? Or does that mean that a lot of the power hitters are roiding?

    And yes, it looked lacksadaisical (sp?) there for a bit. I do love the active defense. Some people call Farmar “Ear Jordan”. lol. And Trevor Ariza’s outside shot looks great.

  231. Al February 26th, 2009 at 11:21 pm

    Whether or not the steroids actually helped A-Rod, he was still looking for an edge. Isn’t that cheating?

  232. Wilson February 26th, 2009 at 11:24 pm

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    Your Lakers have all but locked up the title with the C’s signing Marbury.

  233. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    Clare
    February 26th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
    GB7,

    My last post disappeared into the ether – so apologies if this is a repeat, but part of it was about your earlier comment about Damon. I agree, what he does for Wounded Warrior is great, but did you read his book? He’s not the sharpest tool in the shed, and not an admirable person in many respects. However, I forgave him for everything in the book after seeing him in his first game in pinstripes. He just couldn’t hide his grin. You could tell he loved the game and loved being a Yankee.

    ————————————————————

    Damon’s no wizard, for sure. I don’t know the details of his life other than he had a few affairs and the young lady he later married was one of those affairs. I don’t get wrapped up in personal lives, because it’s none of my business, as long as the produce and hustle.

    I know that nobody can be as pure and wholesome as me, so I forgive everyone. I just enjoy his play and, he does give some funny interviews. The one the other night on MLB was a classic…talking about “If I knew then…” and screwing it up, and talking about learning to do interviews.

  234. Clare February 26th, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    Betsy,

    I tried to comment earlier about one of your posts, but I think it got lost.

    I wanted to note that there were TONS of Rays fans at today’s game. I had no idea they had that many fans. All of the people around me that were booing ARod were Rays fans, not Yankee fans

    I think it is truly ridiculous that ARod’s cousin picking him up has been a 2 day story.

    Remember back before ARod had his Gammons interview, everyone was saying how he had to come clean? Well, he admitted more than anyone ever has. Then before his press conference everyone said he had to take the Pettitte route and give details about the drugs and route of administration? Well, then he did so and admitted getting injections of Primobolan. And no one believed him, or said it wasn’t enough. It’s just a case of with ARod, the goal posts are constantly moving, and whatever he does is wrong.

  235. E-gawa February 26th, 2009 at 11:25 pm

    Greenies aren’t a PED.

  236. m February 26th, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    One of the radio guys was arguing that his scale of worse cheating is:

    1. corked bat
    2. file to scuff a ball
    3. steroids

    That’s invalid because you make that conscious decision everytime you grab a bat. Corked or regulation? Even with a file, just because you hide it in your sock, doesn’t mean you’re going to use it. But with steroids, you can’t undo it. So there’s a time period that you’re choosing to seek that “edge” whether it can be proven to work or not. You can’t turn off the steroids.

  237. Clare February 26th, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    GB7,

    I do find Damon entertaining. I also like how every postgame interview on YES (back when I got YES) he appeared without his shirt. Just a coincidence, I’m sure.

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  239. Clare February 26th, 2009 at 11:30 pm

    Al,

    Who was it that said, “If you’re not cheating, you’re not trying”? I’m pretty sure it was a baseball guy.

  240. ZMan February 26th, 2009 at 11:30 pm

    The problem is that A-Rod was not 100% forthright and he has more skeletons in his closet. Heck, there is a book being written about him right now that apparently has more steroid allegations.

    More and more things came out after his press conference. The Gammons interview was a joke and filled with inconsistencies/lies (I got it at GNC, I don’t remember what I took, Roberts’ broke into my house etc.) and his press conference was regulated by the Yankees to eliminate follow-ups, which means he could weasel his way out of all the hard questions.

    And even now he is still hanging out with his cousin when MLB investigators are in Tampa. That ticked Cashman off because he knows how insensitive it is to the organization and how bad it looks, thats why he banned the cousin from being on the premises.

    C’mon… it’s fairly obvious why this thing isin’t going away and why A-Rod is getting all this negative press.

  241. E-gawa February 26th, 2009 at 11:31 pm

    And Aaron’s personal trainer was never associated with dealing and injecting others with steroids.

  242. m February 26th, 2009 at 11:33 pm

    Wilson,

    lol. No, they haven’t locked up anything. Spurs, Jazz are very dangerous in the West.

    But it does bother me that we’re playing better without Bynum. :?

    As for the Star, he makes them dangerous. He’ll be playing on the 2nd team. The only thing is can he and Eddie House coexist?

    Speaking of, that Eddie House is money. I can’t stand him. Hoist, hoist, hoist, cha-ching!

  243. rodg12 February 26th, 2009 at 11:34 pm

    The problem with that 14 of 26 statistic is that 7 of those were won by Bonds and ARod. When those two guys are linked, it makes that number huge. And, all 2 of Alex’s were after he’s said he stopped using.

    On the Bonds front, I read a very interesting article a few years ago, arguing that the elbow pad/device he wore was a huge ‘performance enhancer’ in and of itself. Not only did it remove his fear of the pitcher coming inside, it allowed him to repeat his swing more easily and get into correct hitting position more consistently.

  244. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2009 at 11:34 pm

    Betsy
    February 26th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
    Green Beret – thanks! Oh man, I can hear the song in my head now…….Also, thanks for the history lessons – it’s absolutely fascinating. I had no idea Tony Kubek was pretty seriously hurt on the grounder – wow, what a shame. In the blink of an eye, how a career can be changed……

    ————————————————————

    My pleasure, Betsy. I always feel thankful that I was old enough to see some of the best ball players in history and to see some of it myself. My grandfather and his brother are the ones that taught me how to play baseball the way they played in the ’20s and ’30. They grew up working in the coal mines around Terre Haute, Indiana and were friends with and played with and against Tommy John’s father. They played semi-pro ball with a guy that became a shortstop for the St. Louis Browns and Indians. After he retired, he became an actor…Johnny Berradino…played Dr. Steve Hardy on “General Hospital”. That’s how I went to so many games in Detroit, Chicago and Cleveland.

  245. Clare February 26th, 2009 at 11:38 pm

    ZMan,

    Did you actually watch the Gammons interview? He never said he got what he took at GNC. He danced around that question. He was talking about GNC when he was talking about how it was a different era.

    No, he wasn’t 100% forthright. If he was, it would have required throwing other players, and others in the business under the bus. He was, however, more forthright than any other player has ever been about steroids while he was still playing. But, it will never be enough if you hated him to begin with (as many in the media and the fanbase did).

  246. Boston Dave February 26th, 2009 at 11:39 pm

    Wilson,

    when did the Celtics sign Marbury?

    The Boston papers must have missed it.

  247. Boston Dave February 26th, 2009 at 11:40 pm

    in other Boston sports news…

    it looks like the Patriots are the favorites for Fred Taylor. Considering he’ll be pretty cheap, it’s not good news for non-fans of the Pats. He isn’t a superstar but could be pretty good as a role player for them.

    now back to baseball…

  248. Betsy February 26th, 2009 at 11:40 pm

    GB, thanks for the info about Mel. I really love the guy – and he was a great pitching coach.

    Clare, it’s the old “give an inch and they’ll take a foot” theory in action. Alex always leaves just enough rope for the media to hang him with – I’m not referring to his admission, but to this most recent cousin issue. There is no way this should be a big story, but on the other hand, Alex should have been more discreet. In any case, it’s not something I’m thinking much of, though – I’m concentrating mostly on baseball.

  249. dave February 26th, 2009 at 11:40 pm

    The best thing about all this is that the players use of steroids helped bring baseball back from the dead after mcgwire and sosa used them to hit monster homeruns and chase a monumental record which completely rejuvenated the sport after the strike.

    Now, the media’s use of steroids is absolutely killing baseball in the minds of fans young and old alike and tearing down the best sport in the world brick by brick as they crucify arod and claim that no player can ever say he never used steroids and be believed again nor can we ever actualy prove who did and didnt partake in this illegal madness.

    Moreover, the concept that taking roids is evil and only the worst people in the world can sink that low is being shoved down our throat so hard that I gag when I read some of these articles. Its gotten to the point that baseball is more about steroids than the actual game. I for one am disgusted by this whole thing – not that the players did it as that is somewhat understandable but the charade that this whole thing has become. I dont know whether to laugh or cry as baseball has never hit a lower point in my lifetime and people want to blame all this on one guy which is even more of a despicable joke.

  250. Clare February 26th, 2009 at 11:45 pm

    Betsy,

    I hear you. Today was great actually being at the game. I didn’t have to listen to any talking heads, it was just a beautiful day and a fun game.

    Baseball fans will never abandon the game, no matter how much controversy is drummed up by the media, just because there’s nothing like sitting outside on a beautiful day watching a game.

  251. rodg12 February 26th, 2009 at 11:46 pm

    Clare -
    All you have to know to tell if someone actually watched the interview is weather they say he claimed he got the stuff at GNC. If they say that, they obviously didn’t watch the interview and are spewing the crap the media vultures have been feeding them about it.

  252. Betsy February 26th, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    GB, that’s a fantastic family history. I was watching a WS highlights film once and thought the name Beradino sounded familiar – what an interesting career HE had, lol. My father once ran onto the field at the Polo Grounds and stole the cap off of Ernie Lombardo’s head (he was apparently VERY slow, even for a catcher) – needless to say, he had to give the cap back and probably had some serious explaining to do at home. That’s the only story I have, lol.

  253. YankeeJosh February 26th, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    Greenie’s aren’t a PED? Really? They provide “artificial” energy that enhances performance. It sure provides a competitive advantage and that’s why MLB banned them and now treats them the exact same way as steroids.

    Many feel greenies were a more integral part of helping players as opposed to steroids. And thus I find it hypocritical to denounce steroid users while ignoring the drugs players have taken for years.

  254. YankeeJosh February 26th, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    Clare,

    Exactly. A-Rod said that back in the day stuff that was bought at GNC could lead to positive tests. He was attempting to show the gray area in this and the media completely misinterpretted and claimed he said he got it at GNC.

  255. Peter Abraham February 26th, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    Um, Dave, you might want to take the noose off.

    Baseball ticket sales, TV viewership and everything else has never been stronger. Just because A-Rod proved to be a dope (which many people believed anyway) changes nothing. Players have been dopes for different reasons for years and years and years.

    Alex needs baseball more than baseball needs Alex. The media can’t tear down baseball, either. The game, if anything, will be better once these cheaters are exposed. I’d much rather watch a game not ruled by enhanced sluggers.

  256. Uh February 26th, 2009 at 11:58 pm

    Tickets for obstructed-view seats aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on, if you ask me. I’d rather stay home and watch the game on TV.

  257. GreenBeret7 February 27th, 2009 at 12:02 am

    Betsy
    February 26th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
    GB, that’s a fantastic family history. I was watching a WS highlights film once and thought the name Beradino sounded familiar – what an interesting career HE had, lol. My father once ran onto the field at the Polo Grounds and stole the cap off of Ernie Lombardo’s head (he was apparently VERY slow, even for a catcher) – needless to say, he had to give the cap back and probably had some serious explaining to do at home. That’s the only story I have, lol.

    ————————————————————

    Lombardi was indeed slow. He was thrown out at least 5 times at first base on hits to the outfield. He could hit, though. His best friend was backup catcher, Willard Hershberger, who’s the only player ever to commit suicide while still an active player, during the season. Five years later, Lombardi tried the same thing. Everyone said he was the nicest, gentlest man in baseball.

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    Millions of people who returned to baseball for the McGwire/Sosa HR chase and the extra half a million people who bought tickets since 2004 at Yankee Stadium despite them not winning a WS since then disagree with you.

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