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Rivera ready to throw off the mound

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Mar 04, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Here’s some good news: Mariano Rivera will throw in the bullpen tomorrow for the first time.

Rivera has been limited to playing catch and participating in defensive drills so far as he recovers from shoulder surgery. Because he needs only 8-10 innings, the Yankees are being cautious with him. But Rivera will take the Carl Pavano Memorial Half Mound tomorrow morning for a few tosses.

The hope is to get him in a game on March 17. That would give him enough time to be ready for Opening Day.

Jorge Posada also went through his throwing program today back in Tampa. He seems over his little bump in the rehab road last week.

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No news yet on A-Rod’s hip. Once we find out, it will be posted. As of an hour ago, he was being examined in Colorado.

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330 Responses to “Rivera ready to throw off the mound”

  1. yankeefan91 Arod fan Rooting For Team D.R March 4th, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    thats great to see that mo is gonna pitch in the pen

  2. whoisthedogg March 4th, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    Carl Pavano Memorial half mound…. I almost fell out of the chair in my cubile… HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

  3. Steve M March 4th, 2009 at 4:38 pm

    Alright, that was pretty funny Pete.

  4. Jason March 4th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    What are the odds Pavano throws opening day at the new stadium?

  5. Patrick March 4th, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    “They envision him going anywhere from one batter to two innings. Girardi they could keep Coke and a long man in the bullpen. ”

    I hope that’s what they end up doing. It seems like Coke could be very valuable in the bullpen.

    Rivera, Bruney, Marte, Veras, Albaladejo, Coke, Giese is probably what I would go with.

    The AAA pitching staff will be stacked, tons of depth.

    Starters: Hughes, Kennedy, Aceves, Igawa (lol)
    Relievers: Robertson, Melancon, Ramirez (when healthy), Cox, Dunn (?), etc

  6. yankeefan91 Arod fan Rooting For Team D.R March 4th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    jason the bullpen catcher has a better shot of starting then pavano who noes if he will even make it to the mound its a miracle he even made it to spring traini

  7. hokiehill March 4th, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    funny post, but having Pavano and Rivera anywhere near the same sentence is never a good thing!

  8. Mark in Tampa March 4th, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    Cleve IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
    Pavano 2.0 4 3 3 1 1 0 6.75

    Not looking good today!

  9. yankeefan91 Arod fan Rooting For Team D.R March 4th, 2009 at 4:50 pm

    im watching the yankee classic and here wen posada gonna win it

    did ya guys see tha new commercial about the new yankee stadium there talking about opening day it look preety kool

  10. Tom March 4th, 2009 at 4:50 pm

    Both Coke and Albaladejo should be used as multi-inning relievers.

  11. Noreaster March 4th, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    If Bruney can continue to build off his last year, we could have a really solid bullpen. I love having Coke in the pen, it would be great to have two lefties…

  12. Patrick March 4th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    “Both Coke and Albaladejo should be used as multi-inning relievers.”

    I think both guys CAN be used for multiple innings, that doesn’t mean they SHOULD be used that way. Like Girardi says, I can see both guys doing anything from one batter to two innings. I just hope they don’t get forced into the role that Ohlendorf was in last season. The Yanks need to commit to having a long reliever in the bullpen at all times.

  13. Tom March 4th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    Or, Coke can be a modern day version of Norm-the sherif-Charlton.

  14. S.A.-Time to take a vow of silence Alex. For your own sanity March 4th, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    But Rivera will take the Carl Pavano Memorial Half Mound tomorrow morning for a few tosses.

    ================================

    :lol:

  15. circus lover March 4th, 2009 at 5:03 pm

    So when are you going to post the ENTIRE Arod quote Pete?

    It has always been my impression that journalists report facts in their entirety so as to provide proper context.

  16. CG 234 March 4th, 2009 at 5:10 pm

    I don’t think Albaladejo will beat out Robertson, IMO.

  17. just the fax March 4th, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    circus, can you leave it

    or take to an Alex thread

    please

  18. Jeff D March 4th, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    Coke is like Ramario Mendoza

  19. Bronx Jeers March 4th, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    “But Rivera will take the Carl Pavano Memorial Half Mound tomorrow morning for a few tosses.”

    Complete with its commemerative rosin bag shaped liked a bruised buttock?

  20. bobshantz March 4th, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    do we really need 12 pitchers?

  21. Steve M March 4th, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    “do we really need 12 pitchers?”

    Are you serious?

  22. Onyx March 4th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    Have we talked about the Curse of the Rings on here? That is, about the hex we’ve been laboring under since Steinbrenner refused to distribute World Series rings to scouts after the 2000 championship?

    Giuliani paid the team (in 2003) $2,500 for his ’96 ring. But assume a ring costs the Yankees even $15,000. Supposedly around 25 people didn’t get rings after 2000. So Steinbrenner (or whoever makes these decisions now) would have to lay out at most $375,000 to do right by these folks.

    That’s more or less what the Yanks pays for one late-inning rally-killing double-play ball from the bat of Alex Rodriguez. I’m not a superstitious guy, but I have been known to toss a nickel into a wishing well. And that’s all handing out 2000 rings would equate to for the team.

    Not to mention, it might do a little something for morale. The most underappreciated, most underrated, least attended determinant of organizational success.

  23. Yankee Trader March 4th, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    Fill me in on what A-Rod said involving Damon.

    Hope A-Rod doesn’t end up like steroid buffed Bo Jackson-needing a total hip replacement!

  24. Lori March 4th, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    “Fill me in on what A-Rod said involving Damon.”

    A-Rod said he wanted Reyes to bat lead-off for the Yankees. So he dissed Damon (our traditional lead-off batter) and Jeter (our shortstop) in one fell swoop.

  25. saucY March 4th, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    forgive me if this was posted already, i’m catching up here today. more pics from the basketball game…

    http://tinyurl.com/yanks-at-magic-game

  26. Tom March 4th, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    “Have we talked about the Curse of the Rings on here?”

    No, the New Yankee stadium is located over an old indian grave yard.

    Jeter walked under a ladder. Mo broke a mirror, and Jorge opened an umbrella in-doors.

  27. Yankee Trader March 4th, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    Lori-thanks. Was he saying Reyes is the best shortstop and leadoff hitter in the game?

  28. tampayank March 4th, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    Kay talking about the Jeter contract situation after 2010, interesting what will happen w/ that, staying loyal and paying him 20 mil when he clearly isn’t worth that if you look at it in black and white(declining defensive skills, not much range, etc)…..I’m mixed on this topic, I know what he’s meant for this franchise but sometimes you have to have cold blood when wanting recent and future success; there would probably be better SS options out there……time will tell…..keep paying him for past success and sacrificing a liability in the infield or let him walk or retire? Glad it’s not my decision

  29. Uncle Ellsworth March 4th, 2009 at 6:25 pm

    Yankee Trader:
    “I wish he was leading off on our team,” A-Rod said with a chuckle. “That’s fun to watch. Anytime you have that type of speed. I mean, we have a guy in (Brett) Gardner, and that’ll be fun. That’s probably the most fun you can have, is watching a guy like that run.”

    It’s not that bad really…. but coming from AROD

  30. Vrsce March 4th, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    Hip? I thought Arod’s lip was the problem. Seems that a side effect of PED’s is motor mouth syndrome. The ego gets enlarged and compels the lips to start blabbing off all the excess idiotic that the enlarged ego produces.

  31. Jorge (México) March 4th, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    “the Carl Pavano Memorial Half Mound”

    =====================================================

    There should be a plaque. And Moose surely would fly down to Tampa to unveil it.
    :-)

  32. JOE ...NH March 4th, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    Off-topic via Rotoworld

    Carl Pavano-S-Indians Mar. 4 – 6:20 pm et

    Carl Pavano pitched two innings and allowed three runs on four hits Wednesday against the Cubs.
    Pavano, who was perfect for two innings in his spring debut, struggled right from the start of this one, giving up two runs in the first. Had he been sharper, he likely would have worked three innings today.

  33. Jeff NJ March 4th, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    It’s nice to see all the starters and Rivera starting to get in games.

  34. Ed H. March 4th, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    It would be a cool juxtaposition if Pavano did wind up starting the first game at the new stadium. Since the Yanks will most likely start CC, you’d have the former ace of the Indians pitching against the former joker of the Yankees.

  35. JoeyA March 4th, 2009 at 6:50 pm

    The name Pavano is literally a joke to me. When they announced he was starting a Spring Training game, it was literally laughable.

    I love the Indians pitching staff trying to talk up his ability. They will grow to hate him.

  36. Fran March 4th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    Almost three weeks into Spring Training and Pavano still hasn’t had an injury!

  37. Danny March 4th, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    The Yanks will pay Jeter when his contract is up for the simple fact that they don’t want A-Roid to be the face of the franchise. As long as Jeter is an active player, he will be the face of the team.

    The Yankees will never let a roider be the face of the team. Derek is reveared by Yankee and non-Yankee fans everywhere and carries a winning attitude, leadership, aura, and good-will. Things A-Rod can only dream of.

    It really isin’t a tough decision for a team like the Yankees that is so image conscious– Jeter will decide when he leaves.

  38. Al March 4th, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    Jorge (Mexico) – I think Aceves goes tomorrow… it’s been 4 days since his last outing.

  39. Laura - Just because I'm losing doesn't mean I'm lost! March 4th, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    “Almost three weeks into Spring Training and Pavano still hasn’t had an injury!”

    Give him time. It’s still early yet. He’s got two vulnerable buttocks that can go any minute. :P

  40. yankeefan91 Arod fan Rooting For Team D.R March 4th, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    y in the world isnt it lettin me post this picture of peter

  41. rodg12 March 4th, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    Good to hear Mo will be throwing of the mound. He’s got to be close to his normal schedule.

  42. Betsy March 4th, 2009 at 7:28 pm

    Great news – thanks for posting, Pete!

    It always amazes me how few innings Mo needs to get ready. He’s just blessed with an incredibly athletic body and a remarkably resilient arm.

  43. JoeyA March 4th, 2009 at 7:29 pm

    Unfortunately for Jeter, he signed his “big deal” awhile ago. His diminishing defensive skills, especially @ SS, don’t bode well for a mega contract @ 35-36.

    Hopefully, it is a mutual agreement between both Jeter and the Yankees. I can’t see him pulling a “Manny” when it comes to his contract.

    Let’s also hope we develop an above average SS for the future in the next few years, cause those are some big shoes to fill once #2 is gone.

  44. S.o.S. March 4th, 2009 at 7:31 pm

    “But Rivera will take the Carl Pavano Memorial Half Mound tomorrow morning for a few tosses.”

    I dont get it? When did Pavano actually throw a ball from Yankee Stadium?
    Speaking of Memorial. When is the burn the #45 jersey forever day? Where the first 1000 fans get a broken Pavano bobble head doll with no refunds.

  45. NJ in Tampa March 4th, 2009 at 7:37 pm

    ”It always amazes me how few innings Mo needs to get ready. He’s just blessed with an incredibly athletic body and a remarkably resilient arm.”

    When you are only pitching an inning, maybe two at the most, it doesn’t take much to get ready.

  46. S.o.S. March 4th, 2009 at 7:37 pm

    lol Ed.

    The one positive thing we got from Pavano is fans got a new and easier way to say d.l.. PAVANOED. I still dont know how you can pull a glutious maximus muscle pitching.

  47. Betsy March 4th, 2009 at 7:39 pm

    From the previous thread – Rebecca, of course I know they don’t count…..what can I say? LOL It’s my nature to be stupid about these kinds of things…….

    Steve (M, I think….or is it Steve B?), lol – believe it or not, I thought that Joba, CC, Wang, Burnett were all going to pitch tomorrow. I’m clueless sometimes, lol…..well, most of the time.

    Those are terrific quotes from Damon – no matter what the media says or tries to do, they are simply not going to cause dissension in the Yankee clubhouse. They can say that Jeter hates A-Rod, that Damon must be pissed, yadda yadda yadda until the cows come home – it doesn’t make it so. I just don’t think the mediots deal in reality at all.

  48. JoeyA March 4th, 2009 at 7:39 pm

    S.o.S.-
    How do you refund a give-a-way toy?

  49. Betsy March 4th, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    Al – also from the previous thread – I agree, I think Phil going to AAA will do him a world of good. Absolutely Nardi, etc….will be observing- I just love to see him and read reports on him, that’s all.

  50. AROD fan (MANNY 2010) March 4th, 2009 at 7:42 pm

    guys, i’m really sad manny signed with the dodgers.

  51. Betsy March 4th, 2009 at 7:44 pm

    NJ in Tampa, if that’s the case, why don’t set up men (like Marte, for example) do what Mo does and only throw very limited innings? Even closers like Pablebon will be throwing far more than 8-10 innings this spring (as usual); it just seems to me that Mo’s preparation is unusual…….but it works for him.

  52. S.o.S. March 4th, 2009 at 7:46 pm

    “S.o.S.-
    How do you refund a give-a-way toy?”

    Pain and suffering Joey. Immagine a child getting that Pavano broken toy. Not a pretty sight.

  53. Clay Buchholz Loves Laptops - Latest Post: An Urgent Message To Author (and Yankee Fan) Jane Heller) March 4th, 2009 at 7:46 pm

    Betsy, I’m a big Hughes fan as well. Even though he might start the season in AAA, he’ll get his chance to contribute this year to the Yankees.

  54. Ham Fighters March 4th, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    once the yankees signed teixeira, i knew we were safe from manny. im happy with him in l.a., i would have preffered SF or the nats, but still pretty good.

  55. JoeyA March 4th, 2009 at 7:48 pm

    I was watching the 1982 game on MLB Network Yanks vs. M’s in Perry’s 300th win.

    They flashed a statistic on the screen that was shocking to me.

    Perry was the last pitcher to post 300+ innings in 4 straight seasons.

    Were pitchers just made differently back then? If a pitcher were to throw 300+ in a season, they would break down.

    Makes me think about today’s breed of pitchers. Diva’s of baseball.

  56. Ham Fighters March 4th, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    iv always felt that mo didnt get enough innings in ST. a couple of years ago he blew a couple of early saves i remember.

    this year is different b/c he’s coming off surgery so the less he throws in ST the better.

  57. NJ in Tampa March 4th, 2009 at 7:50 pm

    ‘’It always amazes me how few innings Mo needs to get ready. He’s just blessed with an incredibly athletic body and a remarkably resilient arm.’’

    When you are only pitching an inning, maybe two at the most, it doesn’t take much to get ready.

    Rivera doesn’t throw many innings because he doesn’t have to build up stamina. The others throw more innings because while they don’t have to build up stamina either, they are more concerned with starting the season off sharp. Mariano is old now, that is why he has been throwing fewer and fewer innings in the spring and over the winter.

    From 2006-2008, Rivera’s ERA in April is 4.13. That is a direct result to not throwing as much, he just isn’t as sharp to start off the year. Where he benefits is in the rest of the season, as he is much more fresh. For a relief pitcher, throwing a lot of innings in the spring is simply for command of your pitches, it has nothing to do with stamina or being gifted.

  58. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother March 4th, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    C’mon! Give Carl some credit here!
    In the two way battle to see who would get hurt first – Pavano or Milton Bradley – it was no contest. Milton pulled a muscle drawing a base on balls in his first spring training at bat and had to leave the game.
    Carl is the picture of health compared to that.

  59. NJ in Tampa March 4th, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    Mariano is willing to sacrifice not being sharp in April to help himself hold up the entire year. It’s not that he necessarily needs less innings than other closers such as Papelbon. It’s because he’s old and wants to stay fresh.

  60. Ham Fighters March 4th, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    something tells me that if you cut up that 4.13 april era in half, you’d find that its about 6.50 in the 1st two weeks and 1.5 the second two weeks.

    but considering the late season and post season load he always carried, it was well worth having him fresh later in the year.

    this year coming off surgery, rest him as much as possible.

  61. Al from BK March 4th, 2009 at 7:55 pm

    “Al – also from the previous thread – I agree, I think Phil going to AAA will do him a world of good. Absolutely Nardi, etc….will be observing- I just love to see him and read reports on him, that’s all.”

    Betsy- I’m sure you’re aware of this but Chad Jennings SWB blog is very up to date on minor league players and he typically blogs from the AAA games or gives a very detailed report on the action. Phil will be here this year we all know that hopefully he has some minor league dominance before being rushed back into pinstripes.

  62. Ed H. March 4th, 2009 at 7:55 pm

    JoeyA: I was reading today on Ken Davidoff’s blog that the Yanks already have $133.1 million committed to only nine players for 2011. Jeter and Mo are not included (although Mo might retire.) It11 will be really tough to give Jeter a $20 million salary on top of that and still need to sign 15 more players. The collective bargaining agreement with the union is also up, I think after 2011, and with talk of possibly implementing a salary cap … Anyway, I think that the Yanks are going to have to get creative when they negotiate with Jeter, possibly including a personal services agreement or something else like that.

  63. hobbie March 4th, 2009 at 7:55 pm

    Jeter should be photographed taking some grounders at third in case Jose Reyes signs with his team

  64. Ham Fighters March 4th, 2009 at 7:58 pm

    i cant see jeter getting $20M/year on an extension. if thats what he insists on getting, then it may be time to picture him in a different uni. i love the guy, but $20M is out of the question.

    i think 3 yrs/ $60M is more than geneerous and it pays him quite handsomly for his intangibles as well as his tangibles.

    i love jeter but 20 mil is out of the question.

  65. JoeyA March 4th, 2009 at 8:00 pm

    Ham-
    You are aware 3 yr/60M is 20M a year?

  66. S.o.S. March 4th, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    “i think 3 yrs/ $60M is more than geneerous and it pays him quite handsomly for his intangibles as well as his tangibles.

    i love jeter but 20 mil is out of the question.”

    ???Ham Fighters, did you mean 3/30? He isnt getting more than 12 mil a year if hes lucky. I cant see Jeter making it a negotiation that goes public during negotiations and embarrasses both parties.

  67. raymagnetic March 4th, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    “I just don’t think the mediots deal in reality at all.”

    You make yourself look like a postiot pretty much every day on here. You hate the “mediots” and yet you come to a “mediot’s” blog everyday religiously.

    So tell me what exactly does that make you :???:

    A person can’t hate the “mediots” and still make comments 100′s of times a day on a “mediot’s” blog.

  68. JoeyA March 4th, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    I think people, as well as Jeter himself, need to realize how much he has benefited, financially, from playing in NY.

    The man is part of many major advertising campaigns for companies.

    I’m not taking a shot at his ability, but if DJ played in, say KC, he wouldn’t be considered the player he is, nor would he be the iconic figure that brings sales for a company.

    Jeter has, and will continue to, reap financial benefits from playing in NY. While his current contract was for 189M/10yr, he made WAY WAY over that amount during that time frame.

    His future contract negotiation should take into account his publicity/public perception. Since, obviously, we will be paying him for his name more than his baseball ability when his contract is up.

  69. raymagnetic March 4th, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    Jeter will get his money when the time comes.

    He can always negotiate bonuses in his contract for when he moves up the hit list.

    Jeter is 34, not 44. :roll:

    If he plays until he’s 42 he’s likely to be in the top 3 in hits all time. He’s only about 12 hits I think off of Pete Rose’s pace at the same age.

  70. JoeyA March 4th, 2009 at 8:08 pm

    If Jeter plays until he’s 42, I could kick a baseball up the middle and he wouldn’t be able to field it.

    SS is the most athletic spot of the infield, and, IMO, the 2nd most athletic spot on the team, next to CF. You want to put a 42 year old there?

    Giants wouldn’t even do that with Vizquel, and he is one of the best defensive shortstops ever.

  71. jennifer March 4th, 2009 at 8:08 pm

    Mark F is way off base.
    Oh, the drama of it all!

    This is A-Rod’s problem. He’s always dissecting everything he says and trying to see how people might take it negatively. Did anyone think David Wright was ripping Reyes when he talked about the fun he’s had playing next to Jeter? Um, no. But with A-Rod, he brings this extra attention to himself thanks to his own paranoia. What a way to live life.

  72. Betsy March 4th, 2009 at 8:09 pm

    Ok Ray, now that you told me what you really think of me…….who cares? You don’t like my posts, then don’t read them. I guess you could also skip everyone else’s posts who criticize the media, but that would mean there wouldn’t be anyone left to read.

    NJ Tampa, good points – I hadn’t thought of those. Of course I would rather have Mo fresh for the end of the season/post-season…..

  73. Betsy March 4th, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    Jen, that’s such a stupid comment from Feinsand given that the mediots ARE picking his quote apart and making a federal case out of a non-story. He was one of the few sportswriters I read, but that may not be the case for very much longer…….

  74. Ed H. March 4th, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    The really sad thing about Derek is that he’s already showing very significant signs of aging on the field. If his fielding ability, power, speed and OBP continue their current progressive decline, what will the Yanks have in Jeter after two more seasons … and then after five? Both corner IF positions are locked up and you won’t want a .265 singles hitter at DH. Where can you play him without hurting the team? Where do you hit him in the lineup without embarassing Derek? Maybe you talk to Derek about moving into a part time player/coach role.

  75. raymagnetic March 4th, 2009 at 8:14 pm

    “Ok Ray, now that you told me what you really think of me…….who cares? You don’t like my posts, then don’t read them. I guess you could also skip everyone else’s posts who criticize the media, but that would mean there wouldn’t be anyone left to read.”

    You do realize that maybe you should take your own advice? If you don’t like what Pete the “mediot” posts on his blog then why don’t you skip over it?

    Why make 100′s of comments a day dissing the mediots? How do you even know what the mediots have to say being that you hate them so much?

  76. jennifer March 4th, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    Betsy- He actually said

    g2332 .. I hear what you’re saying, but this is literally a case of him creating a story. The reporters that were there didn’t hear his words as a dig at Derek, but when he brought up that he thought they might have been, he invented his own story. Typical Alex.

    I usually read Mark too, and think he is a good reporter. But really I don’t get where this is all coming from. I don’t believe for one second if Alex just let the comments lay that none of the reporters would have run with it and called it a diss. It is a lame excuse on his part.

  77. The Crazy Dragon From Switzerland March 4th, 2009 at 8:17 pm

    Oh who is going to be involved in this Wendflemptic Steroid Scandal now Don Zimmer maybe even Mark Mcguire..who knows? I never could have guessed that a great plabistic man like Scooter Colon would ever be involved in scankamoneous treachery like this..If my main man Chad Curtis gets caught The Crazy Dragon will never shoot French Fries out of his arm again to make people happy..I’m so sorry guys but it just won’t happen. Maybe if they just let people take steroids like many top notch societies do then we’ll have a 187.23% success monitor. But hey you gots to blow the candles off dat muffin sometimes..This is as sad as that movie The Naked Gun..Why couldn’t of just gave that gun some clothes and maybe Leslie Neilson wouldn’t of had to act like Enriquo Pallazo..4.61 out of 5 Stars!!!

  78. JoeyA March 4th, 2009 at 8:18 pm

    Think about the market for DJ…

    Would any team realistically even consider paying him above 10-12M, aside from the Yankees.

    I would bet no team would give him more than 8M, especially to play SS. He just isn’t the player, in the minds of people/teams around the league, he is considered to be in NY.

    I absolutely LOVE Jeter. How could you not? But sometimes, the good of the team comes before any one player.

    We did it to Bernie, and he was more of a post-season hero than Jeter was.

  79. jennifer March 4th, 2009 at 8:19 pm

    ed- It is going to get very interesting. Say Derek hits .270- .280 the next two years. What do you do? Like you said he is a singles hitter. You certainly aren’t going to pay a singles hitter 20 plus million. Will his pride get in the way of taking what he is really worth?

  80. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother March 4th, 2009 at 8:20 pm

    Crazy Dragon

    But I want my fries with that!

  81. jennifer March 4th, 2009 at 8:21 pm

    joeya- where do you play him in 2 years? Do you shift him to second? Or is that a more “difficult” position to play? Can Cano play SS?

    Do you move him to the outfield? Stick him in LF? Since hopefully we have Action coming up.

  82. Betsy March 4th, 2009 at 8:23 pm

    Also, one more thing on the A-Rod quote:

    Jorge Posada didn’t get NEAR this much criticism for stating that the Yankees should get Johan because they needed an ace. He got some knocks, but not like Alex is getting……and Jorge was being specific. You could easily infer from his comment that he didn’t think Wang was an ace…….yet did the media make a stink over this? LOL It barely registered with them!

  83. S.o.S. March 4th, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    raymagnetic,
    Jeter will be what 36 his contract year. I agree with Joey and Ed on this one. Thats 2 more years of getting banged up and aging. Posada the dh and Alex will probably be there at the end of his contract. I cant see anyone paying more than 10 to 12 unless they think he can draw more fans. What do you think he will get?

  84. Rick March 4th, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    And I bet these media members make more money than the people who are complaining about them. I think a lot of these posters are jealous of the media. No other reason that people can be so angry and livid at what they right, yet keep coming back for more.

  85. JoeyA March 4th, 2009 at 8:25 pm

    If I was a part of the Yankee brass, I would keep the DH spot open after losing Matsui next year. Don’t sign any major, long term DH contract. That leaves the spot for Jeter.

    Maybe he only DH’s 1/4 of the games in the first year of his new contract, but, by the end of his career, he should be full-time DH.

    He is too important a symbol of Yankees to let him go, yet, we can’t afford to let him play SS. RF or DH is the only option for the guy, and you don’t want a guy @ 36 to learn a new position.

  86. Z (get manny) March 4th, 2009 at 8:26 pm

    Because most of the fans wanted Santana and agreed with him. Jorge prefaced his comments saying he “loves the kids” but we need an ace to pair with Wang.

    He also won 4 rings, he gets immunity.

  87. jennifer March 4th, 2009 at 8:27 pm

    SOS- No way do I see them cutting more his salary in half. Maybe the most they can cut him to is 16-17. Like you said I don’t see any team paying him near that.

  88. Joba da Hut March 4th, 2009 at 8:27 pm

    Ray,

    ha ha, right on. Nothing makes me laugh more than the countless posters who claim to hate the media (and think of 7th grade nicknames like ‘mediot) yet they post on a media member’s blog and quote articles every day.

  89. jennifer March 4th, 2009 at 8:28 pm

    joeya- Jeter is not a dh.

    z- very good point.

  90. Kontos March 4th, 2009 at 8:28 pm

    Betsy if you hate the media so much, then why do you post blog postings and articles every single day from the same people you claim to despise?

  91. Betsy March 4th, 2009 at 8:29 pm

    Ray, would you care to point out ONE post of mine where I attacked Pete? I think his comments about Alex are snarky and really not necessary, but I rarely call him out about that. He’s been nice enough to reply to my e-mails and respond to my questions on this board – therefore, I will not attack him (though I disagree with him on several issues). When I refer to “mediots”, it is the collective group of clowns who masquerade as sportswriters…..

  92. Outta Here March 4th, 2009 at 8:31 pm

    Throwing Hughes and Kennedy under the bus isin’t the same as throwing your SS/captain under the bus. Not the same situation at all. Jorge also complimented Wang in that same article where he called for Santana.

    Maybe the same principal, but much different application.

  93. Betsy March 4th, 2009 at 8:33 pm

    Kontos, I do that to spur conversation. Am I the only one that hates the media? No -and I really don’t think it’s necessary to make this about me.

  94. S.o.S. March 4th, 2009 at 8:33 pm

    The best position if your looking for whats expected on the offensive side is Shortstop. Left field will probably be filled by some big time player next year and dh will probably be open for the vets. Yanks probably take the step slower at short but average for short bat.

    Jennifer,
    Bernie took much less after his contract is up. Jeter means more for the Yanks obviously. Maybe they make an acception and over pay to keep him chasing the hits record.

  95. Jacob A March 4th, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    Newspapers are struggling to stay afloat in this economy and you guys are complaining (and in some cases bewildered) that they are trying to stir the pot with A-Rod. Why so surprising? See how much reception it gets compared to regular baseball stories?

    Do some of you people get out in the real world at all? These media members are doing what they need to in order to survive. Graziano and Price were laid off. Newsday is going on-line soon. This is a very tough time for these outlets.

    Judging by some of he comments here, very few here have perspective of the media as a profession.

  96. jennifer March 4th, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    2010 free agents

    Catchers
    Ramon Hernandez – $8.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
    Victor Martinez – $7MM club option with a $250K buyout
    Bengie Molina

    First basemen
    Carlos Delgado
    Adam LaRoche

    Second basemen
    Mark DeRosa
    Placido Polanco
    Brian Roberts
    Freddy Sanchez – $8MM club option with a $600K buyout

    Shortstops
    Bobby Crosby
    Khalil Greene
    Miguel Tejada
    Jack Wilson

    Third basemen
    Adrian Beltre
    Chone Figgins
    Chipper Jones
    Melvin Mora
    Ty Wigginton

    Left fielders
    Jason Bay
    Carl Crawford – $10MM club option with a $1.25MM buyout
    Johnny Damon
    Matt Holliday
    Hideki Matsui

    Center fielders
    Rick Ankiel
    Coco Crisp – $8MM club option with a $500K buyout

    Right fielders
    Jermaine Dye – $12MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
    Brian Giles
    Ken Griffey Jr.
    Vladimir Guerrero
    Xavier Nady
    Magglio Ordonez – $15MM club/vesting option with a $3MM buyout

  97. jennifer March 4th, 2009 at 8:37 pm

    Starting pitchers
    Josh Beckett – $12MM club option with a $2MM buyout
    Erik Bedard
    Justin Duchscherer
    Rich Harden
    Tim Hudson – $12MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
    John Lackey
    Cliff Lee – $8MM club option with a $1MM buyout
    Brett Myers
    Brandon Webb – $8.5MM club option with a $500K+ buyout
    Todd Wellemeyer

    Closers
    Mike Gonzalez
    Kevin Gregg
    Troy Percival
    J.J. Putz – $8.6MM club option with a $1MM buyout
    Fernando Rodney
    Rafael Soriano
    Salomon Torres
    Jose Valverde
    Billy Wagner – $8MM club option with a $1MM buyout

  98. Ed H. March 4th, 2009 at 8:41 pm

    JoeyA, you’re right. Jeter’s value to the Yanks is much higher than to any other team. It will make sense to both DJ and the Yanks to work something out. But, can you see the Steinbrenners agreeing to let Cashman offer him a non-guaranteed minor league contract? They were willing to risk having Bernie leave in a snit, but with Jeter, it would be devestating, more like the Boss’ thirteen year feud with Yogi. They can’t let that happen.

    Jennifer, I think that Jeter’s pride will be key. It’s not just the issue of how much money he thinks he deserves but also what his role on the team will be. Beyond that, there’s also the question of how important it is to him to get 3,00 hits and to reach other milestones that will be hard to reach if he is not a full time player. In all ways, it must be pretty grand being Derek Jeter and he will be very reluctant to give ground. I really can’t blame him for that, either.

  99. Rick March 4th, 2009 at 8:43 pm

    Manny
    Matt Holliday
    Ankiel
    Vlad Gurrerro
    Lackey

  100. Clare March 4th, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    Betsy,

    Good point on the Posada ace quote. That was a much more direct diss of his teammates, but was ignored by the media. That’s a perfect illustration of how ARod is treated so much worse by the media than any other player.

  101. JETS 09 March 4th, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    The Jeter negotiation is going to be VERY messy. As Torre said in his book… Cashman has changed and has become too much of a stat guy. He pushed Bernie out the door and was willing to let Posada go to the Mets, and almost pushed Andy out the door as well. He clearly does not deal in sentimentality.

    Thats why I don’t think Jeter is going to deal through Cashman… he is going to go to Hank and Hal directly, him and his agent. They know that the brothers know very little about baseball so they can be manipulated into the whole marketing/PR/”True Yankee” spin that Cashman would not subscribe to. Jeter is the Yankees franchise, he isin’t going to let Cashman decide his fate… Hal will and I doubt Hal will have it in him to push Jeter out the door.

    This could be a Hank/Hal vs. Cashman stare-down again. And Cashman would be going into the last yr of his deal that off-season too, so this could boil over on a lot of levels.

    Still have 2 years though, a lot can happen.

  102. Ed H. March 4th, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    Derek doesn’t have the power to justify his being in a corner outfield spot or DH. His limited range would be as much of a problem in CF as it is becoming at SS, plus he would be learning an entirely new, premium position. Also, how to you start Jeter in CF over Brett Gardner (whom I’m very excited about) or Austin Jackson?

  103. 4time March 4th, 2009 at 8:55 pm

    Because Wang does not = Jeter.

    Wang would not feel slighted at all if he is the #2 to Johan Santana. After his postseason performance that year, nobody was in a position to disagree with Jorge.

  104. Tom March 4th, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    Jorge wasn’t the only one who endorsed Santana… A-Rod (on his conference call when he re-signed with us), Rivera, Damon, Cano, and Abreu all said they wanted him here and would love to have him.

    Cano even said that if he went to the Red Sox, it would be a very bad thing for us (Damon said something to that effect too– he said he hopes he doesn’t go to Boston because that would be bad).

  105. Ed H. March 4th, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    Jets, it’s going to be very interesting on that level too. You know that Hal/Hank/Randy/Trost/Cashman have to be talking about the Jeter negotiations already. What happens there will have a significant impact on all aspects of the Yankees operations and finances.

  106. S.o.S. March 4th, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    Ed,
    I cant see Gardner being our center fielder in 2011. As far as AJAX is concerned, i will wait till he hits over .300 in AAA and cuts down on his K’s. Melky batted over .300 in AAA and had far less strikeouts and bombed in the bigs. Cleveland just cut Marte who was suppose to be a cant miss prospect. These minor leaguers are crap shoots. I wont hold my breath but will definitely root for him.
    I do agree that Jeter wont be the center fielder though.

  107. Ed H. March 4th, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    Agreed, S.O.S. It could be that neither Gardner or Ajax will be the answer in CF, but it is clear that DJ is not the way to go there.

  108. Betsy March 4th, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    I just don’t think the Jeter negotiations are going to be a big problem. Jeter and his agent have a very good relationship with the Yankees and both parties are going to want to work something out that is beneficial to all. I’m not going to worry about that now, but I’m sure the groundwork for a future deal has already been laid.

  109. S.o.S. March 4th, 2009 at 9:34 pm

    Where the hell did everyone go Ed? If Jeter reads this blog ala Stealth. Id be pissed that he doesnt get as many hits on here as Arods slip ups. Pete needs to get another thread going with an Arod joke. Thats our only hope.

  110. Uncle Ellsworth March 4th, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    http://www.northjersey.com/col.....nnor_.html
    I think this is how this conversation was started:
    Ian O’Connor Northjersey.com
    ““Run it by Cash,” Jeter said of Brian Cashman, the general manager. Before word hit of A-Rod’s injury and stated affection for Reyes, and before it was clear few were embracing A-Rod’s claim he meant his own shortstop no harm, Jeter was walking with a reporter as he addressed the idea of an extension.

    Jeter was walking away from his first career victory over his very own Yankees, a Team USA victory aided by his two RBI, of course.

    Jeter stopped as he came upon his agent, Casey Close, and pointed toward the rep. “Cash can call him and then I can answer the question,” Jeter said.

    The captain was publicly inviting Cashman to consider an add-on to his 10-year, $189 million deal, and why not? If the Yankees remain committed to the $275 million they handed A-Rod, not to mention the $30 million bonus package for his fraudulent home run chase, why shouldn’t Jeter suggest that the GM give him a call?

    “You have to ask them,” Jeter said of management and an extension. “I have no control over that. … You know I’ve never talked about a contract situation in the past and I’m not going to start now, but that question’s a good question for them. I could answer your question if I was approached.”

    Jeter hasn’t been approached.”

  111. jennifer March 4th, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    What is taking so long to hear about Alex?

  112. Yank1 March 4th, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    S.O.S – Just further proof that this blog needs A-Rod stories to survive. Not many people are interested in Mariano throwing off the mound

    And we wonder why Pete posts as much about A-Rod as he does… look at how much volume it generates compared to baseball topics!

  113. Timo March 4th, 2009 at 9:40 pm

    As expected, this place is dead without A-rod drama

  114. K-Zone March 4th, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    If the Jeter negotiations were going to be smooth, you wouldn’t hear all those noise via the media that the Yankees are ‘dreading’ the negotiations and don’t know how to handle it.

    Trust me, it is going to be messy because Cashman has shown he is willing to let the aging dynasty core go. I doubt that changes with Jeter

  115. S.o.S. March 4th, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    Biggest hits on this blog this offseason.
    1.Alex
    2.Pettitte
    3.C.C.
    4.Teix
    5.Manny
    6.Joba as a reliever
    7.??

  116. Uncle Ellsworth March 4th, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    O’Connor said that Jeter was his typical cool self when making his comments. And He said that he (O’Connor) thought DJ and the Yanks would find common ground.

  117. S.o.S. March 4th, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    7.Melky vs. Gardner
    8.??

  118. Jeff D March 4th, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    Joel Sherman brought up a good point. If Jeter is putting up 8 HRs, 55 RBI with 10 steals seasons with dreadful defense… what are the Yankees going to do?

    His power and speed are in obvious decline. His defense has always been sketchy. Atleast guys like Vizquel could justify their position in their late 30s because of the defense.

    This is not going to be an easy negotiation at all unless Jeter’s numbers stay the same for the next 2 years.

  119. carl March 4th, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    Jeter should have moved to third when he had the chance :(

  120. Oddessy March 4th, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    We’re carrying an automatic out this year in Gardner/Melky and maybe even another one in Molina.

    Why can’t we carry a declining Jeter who (even at age 37) is 10x the offensive player that Gardner/Melky are?

    Just have to fortify the offense around him so we can carry Jeter’s declining numbers. So we better develop some top position players fast. Otherwise, Teixeria will be the only run producer we have in his prime by 2011. I would add ARod too but with his steroid admission, you have no idea how his body might age now.

  121. S.o.S. March 4th, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    He doesnt produce enough to play third. Its short or nothing. If Jeter ends up at 8 hr 55 ribis and 10 stolen bases, I cant see him continuing to play the game.

    Good night fellas.

  122. m March 4th, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    10. Cashman
    11. Pete Abe

    =======================

    If the Nets lose this game to Boston, I’m blaming the Nets fans here.

    -111-108 NJ with 1:14 left-

    How the heck do you let Ray Allen get open?

    Tied game with 1:05 left in the game.

  123. Mark in Tampa March 4th, 2009 at 10:03 pm

    Jeter is coming off of a bad year(for him) where it is pretty much assumed that he had a broken hand for a good part of it. Or at least the hand was injured bad enough to hamper his swing greatly.

    Prior to that, he had 3 straight 200 hit seasons, batting .343 and .322 in two of them. Two years ago, he had a superior season to the year that won Pedroia the MVP this past year. Let’s not kick dirt on him just yet.

  124. ray (sox fan) March 4th, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    m….why you blaming the Nets fans?

  125. you gotta have faith (bronx zoo 2009) March 4th, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    “The closest Dan Giese had come to logging an at-bat in a big league situation came in 2007, when he was with the Giants and got called back from the on-deck circle to make way for Barry Bonds.

    So Giese was especially focused when he dug in for an at-bat in the fifth inning on Wednesday – a little too focused, it turned out. The take sign was on for all Yankees pitchers, but Giese never recognized it, singling to right-center field.

    And it wasn’t a difficult sign to read – Girardi was yelling, “Don’t swing,” from the dugout.

    “I yelled when he went up, I yelled after the first pitch,” Girardi said. “After the second pitch he swung, I said, ‘I might as well let him hit now.’”

    Giese said he had no idea what to do on the bases, but he had to learn quick. Johnny Damon tripled off the wall in right-center, sending Giese all the way around from first base.

    “It was like the dizzy bat race,” he said.

    Oh, and by the way, Bonds struck out in that at-bat for Giese.”

    lol :)

  126. COL 88 March 4th, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    Will we give Jeter a $25 million bonus for when he gets 3,000 hits, 250 HRs, and passes other Yankee greats on the records list?

  127. EricNS March 4th, 2009 at 10:19 pm

    The A-Rod concern here is not his comments but his health -

  128. m March 4th, 2009 at 10:20 pm

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    This is what I see here all the time:

    “How ’bout that Devin Harris (7 for 100 tonight)? What a STEAL!!”

    “Brooks (Robin?) Lopez was the steal of the draft!!!!”

    Just kidding, NETS fans. That was a pretty good comeback. And Vince Carter played well. Can’t do much when Pierce starts out 9 for 10.

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