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Cashman audio from today

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Podcast on Mar 05, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Here is Brian Cashman talking about Alex Rodriguez’s bad hip. It’s about 20 minutes:

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In essence, there were two choices: surgery or rest, rehab and then surgery. The Yankees will try to get him through the season with rest and rehab.

A-Rod has been able to play with this injury and play pretty well so far. If nothing changes, he could well be fine. But Boston 3B Mike Lowell had a similar injury last season that was detected in June. He tried to keep playing and by October he could barely walk and could not be included on the playoff roster.

This is a terrible spot for Joe Girardi. While you can rest A-Rod in spring training, what do you do come the season? Every time he slides or dives for a ball, it’s a risk.

The cyst that was drained today was apparently caused by the labrum tear. Draining the cyst could help ease A-Rod’s discomfort. But the cyst also could refill with fluid over time.

It’s a bad situation for the Yankees as their season is held hostage by this. You can’t make a trade until you actually need a 3B. Then when you do, teams will try and hold you up.

A 33-year-old player with a bad hip. Good thing he’s not signed for nine more years.

 
 

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322 Responses to “Cashman audio from today”

  1. Scorpio March 5th, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    I blame Hank.

  2. Baja March 5th, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    Arod is the corner of 1st & 1st.

  3. Dan March 5th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    Look, maybe this is a total dead-end, but: if he spends spring training working on it, can Teixeira still play third? Then you could have Swisher slot in at first and the dropdown wouldn’t be nearly as bad as the dropdown to Ransom is.

    Desperate times…

  4. Vincent March 5th, 2009 at 5:35 pm

    No no no. Tex plays first base. He play GOLD GLOVE first base! Why the hell would you move him if they have been needing this guy for years? Swish is not Tex.

  5. Laura - Just because I'm losing doesn't mean I'm lost! March 5th, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    “A 33-year-old player with a bad hip. Good thing he’s not signed for nine more years.”

    Pete, this could have happened to anyone. Utley had it as well and he’s 2 years younger than A-Rod. I swear, any chance you get to get a dig in on Alex, you go for it. At least you’re consistent.

  6. JRB March 5th, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    Tex is a first baseman, plain and simple. If you’re gonna force someone out of position, make Swisher play third (I realize this won’t happen, it was just a joke).

  7. Tom March 5th, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    “A 33-year-old player with a bad hip. Good thing he’s not signed for nine more years”

    Pete, why do you have to keep reminding us :(

  8. JF March 5th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    A-Lbatross.

  9. Bob March 5th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    Theres ALWAYS something to drag our season down. This one might be the worst yet.

  10. 7*7 March 5th, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    He could be Utley or he could be Lowell

    Utley was under 30 when it happened. A-Rod is going to be 34. I would think he is closer to Lowell than Utley.

  11. G. Love March 5th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    Can we get Arod a little cart with wheels like they give to dogs with hip and rear leg injuries?

    Just spitballing here.

  12. Eric March 5th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    pete,

    i realize you are the media… but you’re such a drama queen sometimes. relax.

  13. Doreen March 5th, 2009 at 5:43 pm

    Why weaken 2 infield spots? Teixeira must stay at 1B. IF they need to find a defensive 3B they will. You can’t replace Alex’s numbers, you just can’t. So replace defense and go for very good defensive 3B who will give you decent offense.

    What are you gonna do? This is the situation they are in. They can play to overcome it, or they can give up now.

    I really would prefer to watch the games as they happen.

    I’d just as soon they did the surgery now, but it’s not our decision, and the Yankees won’t be putting up an outsized poll any time soon to see what we all think.

    And as far as giving ARod that long-term contract – hindsight is 20/20, isn’t it? ARod has been a very healthy specimen for all these years, and there would be no reason to think he wouldn’t go on as generally healthy, of course excepting injuries that just happen.

    Also, I think it’s worth pointing out that Cashman WOULD HAVE extended ARod; he did not want to sign him if he opted out. So, it’s not as if Cashman didn’t want ARod back at all.

  14. Jeff D March 5th, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    Time to fortify the CF spot so it no longer is a black hole. Trade for Mike Cameron and Bill Hall to be A-Rod insurance.

  15. Tyler March 5th, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    Actually I think the best move cashman could make would be to trade Matsui for some sort of capable third baseman. That way Alex could DH for most of the season.

  16. Peter Abraham March 5th, 2009 at 5:45 pm

    Laura: You’re being inane. How is that a shot at Alex? I’d say the same thing if it were Brooks Robinson. Having a player who will turn 34 this season needing hip surgery is a bad thing when he is signed for NINE more years.

  17. CaptainsCorner March 5th, 2009 at 5:45 pm

    Maybe Arod should just DH all season. Playing 3rd and diving from left to right can not help the situation and will eventually make it worse. Then let Damon play LF and Matsui play there once in while.

  18. Peter Abraham March 5th, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    Tyler, in what world does Matsui with two bad knees bring back a capable 3B?

  19. ZMan March 5th, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    Yeah, Girardi is in a tough spot.

    Now he has to find a way to rest A-Rod often too like we have to do with Jorge so he doesn’t wear out. We have a very fragile team.

    So basically.. Jeter, Cano, and Teix will be the only regulars in the lineup almost everyday. Everyone else needs plenty of rest and needs to be juggled.

    What a mess.

  20. Sean Serritella March 5th, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    I’d have surgery if I were him. Why take chances?

  21. feefoo March 5th, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    trade for hanley ramirez!

    brackman, ajax, hughes, melancon, betances, IPK, melky, and montero for HANLEY!

  22. Sully Sox March 5th, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    BWHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA!

    ARod is a Jonah — a curse!!

    Way to go Hank. You were free and clear, but you just had to have ARod, didn’t you.

  23. Artie A March 5th, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    The issue is how big a tear in the labrum.I guess not that bad since he can play. If it gets worse, shut him down for surgery. By July near the trading deadline would probably the time they can go for a trade which makes the most sense if he needs surgery then. But likely the yanks would have to give up pitching prospects. Its not the end of the season and teams seem to respond. Makes it more urgent that the older core can be healthy, Posada, Mariano, Jeter, Damon, Matusi. If this core can play weel and pitching holds up I think it will be enough to carry the day.

  24. trisha - As long as you're in pinstripes, Kei, I've got your back. March 5th, 2009 at 5:48 pm

    CRICKETS

    In terms of baseball, I was just watching ESPN News and they stated the obvious, essentially repeating what many of us said today. If we can’t sustain Alex’s absence, no matter how long, with the likes of CC, AJ, CM, Joba and Mo – and the offense we have – then our team isn’t worth much to begin with. Yes they feel Arod’s offense will be missed but they also feel that our pitching will easily offset what we will miss in Arod’s bat.

  25. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    Pete is right.

    It’s a legitimate concern. He probably has a degenerative hip and nine years is a long time.

    He may very well be a good player for all 9 years but the risk just went up a little bit.

  26. bru March 5th, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    this is a disastrous contract.the yankees didn’t need arod to win.all they should of done is build a great pitching staff,bullpen & build outwards from there.

    at least we have great pitching on paper & tex.

    this contract should of never been done by the yankees.why wasn’t the injury detected in the offseason?arod would of been healed by now.was it the yankee doctors who found it or wbc doctors?

    you have to assume he had something wrong last year because he felt discomfort.

    can tex play 3rd base with swish at 1st?

  27. Teixeiramvp March 5th, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    I don’t want to overreact yet. There’s a very good chance that A-Rod is fine. Until I hear that he’s out or I notice him really playing badly badly, I will assume he’s our starting third baseman.

  28. Tyler March 5th, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    Tyler, in what world does Matsui with two bad knees bring back a capable 3B?
    ————————————————————-

    Well, not Matsui alone obviously. But if they could somehow open up the DH spot, it would make a huge difference. Haven’t the Giants expressed some interest in him in the past? Maybe a Rich Aurilia?

  29. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    Doreen,

    very true. at the point they gave Alex 10 years, he had proven to be one of the most durable and consistent players in all of baseball.

    you can argue against giving anybody 10 guaranteed years of course. but alex was quite possibly the safest bet in baseball, at the time, to live up to a big deal.

  30. Danny March 5th, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    Maybe an A-Rod/Ransom platoon so A-Rod doesn’t get worn out?

    Have A-Rod play 110 games just like Posada

  31. EvoLuTioN March 5th, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    if they really want arod to play through it, DH HIM. We can try matsui/nady/swisher at 3B.

  32. Tyler March 5th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    Maybe T.O. can play 3rd.

  33. EvoLuTioN March 5th, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    i say NOT to experiment with teix at this point, if he isn’t comfortable i would hate to lose his bat too. Might as well try swisher at 3B because he already has to prove himself, he has more to gain

  34. Steve in Jersey March 5th, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    I take Pete’s comments as questionable management decisions, not a shot at ARod.

    Poor Pete can’t make any comments without people looking for conspiracy motives.

  35. bru March 5th, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    the problem with surgery now is arod might miss 4 months.

    if he can play through the season with it and get surgery in the offseason it might be better to wait.

    very tough spot we are in.first the steroids bombshell,now this.i give up.i’ll be back later.i need a drink.

  36. Tarheel March 5th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    Arod will be ok. Think of Mantle, he had many more injuries that were much more severe and I would imagine that medical treatment is a little better in 2009. Mantle turned out ok.

  37. Sully Sox March 5th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    Maybe Plaxico can play 3rd

  38. Johnny Stamos March 5th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    I am getting scared that the yankees are starting to look more and more like an old team. If the old stay healthy then they are a team that could literally set the all time wins record and soar to number 27. If guys cannot produce and stay healthy they are a team with the potential to finish out of the playoffs.

    I’ve never seen a team with so many question marks that could lead to such variable win loss record.

  39. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    Danny,

    That’s what I was thinking. Maybe closer to 120-130 games for Alex. Never make him play more than 3 days in a row.

    The problem is they have several guys in that category (Posada, Matsui, Damon?).

    Joe Girardi is going to earn his paycheck this season. We may not see the same lineup more than 2 games in a row at any point this season.

  40. Teixeiramvp March 5th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    Here’s my idea: Trade for Holliday on the Rockies, someone who it is definitely not out of the realm of possibility to trade for,then take Nady and stick him at third and make Swisher the odd man out.

  41. EvoLuTioN March 5th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    relying on arod is too risky at this point, if everything looks good and he breaks down in sept/oct we would be royally screwed.

  42. Carl March 5th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    I wonder how long he has had the tear. If he played with it last year he should be fine.

  43. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    “We can try matsui/nady/swisher at 3B.”

    are you insane?

  44. EvoLuTioN March 5th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    expecting arod to play through injuries that nearly crippled lowell is kind of too much. No offense to arod but he isnt the strongest guy

  45. Tyler March 5th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    Holliday was already traded to the A’s a few months ago.

  46. teddy March 5th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    yanks should try to trade for cameron. 25 hr from cf should help

  47. trisha - As long as you're in pinstripes, Kei, I've got your back. March 5th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    “I take Pete’s comments as questionable management decisions, not a shot at ARod.”

    And hindsight is the biggest chest-thumper of all. That’s a shot at calling what the Yankees did “questionable management.”

  48. Noreaster March 5th, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    Bottom of the 9th, Game 7, 1 on two out with the Yankees down by 1. Out of the dugout, could it be, yes, ARod limps to the plate. He points out to Monument Park. The pitch, its a long fly ball to center. Going, going, gone!

  49. Teixeiramvp March 5th, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    Evolution-A-Rod’s a pretty strong guy, I disagree. Just because this sounds like Lowell’s injury, don’t assume it’s as bad. I’m hoping and praying that A-Rod’s alright. The Yankees need him!

  50. feefoo March 5th, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    COME BACK WILSON BETEMIT

  51. yankeefan91 arod fan rootin for team D,R March 5th, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    trade for a third basebam dont take no chances have the surgery and when he comes back hope to god hes 100% look at loweel how he couldnt even walk we need arod and i sure want him when the games count

  52. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    Do people realize that 3b, the hot corner, isn’t a spot you just throw anybody into that has never played it?

    the worst thing you can do to a pitching staff is put a horrible defense on the field. errors and misplays can drive a pitcher crazy and throw off their entire game.

    IF Alex can’t play, and right now he is their 3b, the solution needs to be rational. You don’t just stick random guys at third.

  53. Ham Fighters March 5th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    this ‘no surgery’ crap is b.s. arod’s brother didnt make it up that he needs surgery or that it was scheduled for monday, it came from arod. and boras went on tv at the exact same time cash was with reporters and scottie said that they would run more tests to see if surgery was needed.

    this is not settled. cash is saying the yankees have decided against surgery at this time, that does not preclude decinding to have the surgery after these tests are done, like this weekend.

    ill be very surprised if he doesnt have the surgery.

  54. S.A.-Time to take a vow of silence Alex. For your own sanity March 5th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    Sherman on with Kay again-Alex did have an end of the year MRI and they didn’t see anything at that time.

    I don’t know what true or not anymore.
    Excited about CC tomorrow.

  55. bru March 5th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    why did he pick this year to stop taking steroids??

  56. Teixeiramvp March 5th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    Tyler-Holliday was traded? When?

  57. Count of Montefusco March 5th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    Jeez guys, lay off Pete. He’s merely stating the obvious.

    The contract was a mistake to begin with and now it’s all the more regrettable. For what it’s worth, I think the club would have performed fine without him had they decided to go the surgery route.

    I wonder how often Cashman considers shipping him off and eating, say, 50% of the contract…get back some position prospects and consider the 10-12 million per year a sort of Big Mistake Assessment.

    What a headache. This is supposed to be a celebratory, exciting season with the new stadium and Tex and CC etc. but it’s like there’s NOTHING they acn do to get out from under the guy’s shadow.

  58. sevrox March 5th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    The Arod as DH to save wear and tear is intriguing, to say the least.

    Get an excellent defensive 3B as a one year rental…Have Arod’s bat in the lineup and perhaps a decent offense good defense player at 3B (Cody Ransom? He does, after all, have a 61 inch vertical leap – there’ll be no more of those troublesome line drives over the 3rd baseman’s head…unless, of course, they’re 12 feet+ off of the ground) – this situation won’t even be a hiccup in the Yankee Universe or a blip on the Yankee Universe Radar Screen or an anomaly in the…

  59. trisha - As long as you're in pinstripes, Kei, I've got your back. March 5th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    “Arod will be ok. Think of Mantle, he had many more injuries that were much more severe and I would imagine that medical treatment is a little better in 2009. Mantle turned out ok.”

    I’m thinking the same thing, Tarheel. I’ve never been known to panic or despair based on possibilities, so I see no reason to start now.

  60. Tom March 5th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    “Here’s my idea: Trade for Holliday on the Rockies”

    here’s how that call will go

    Cashman: Hey Rockies GM what will it take to get Holliday.

    Rockies GM: I don’t know. Call Beane and ask him because I traded him to the A’s in November…

  61. teddy March 5th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    cameron or belre would be nice

  62. TimStoddardOwnsYou March 5th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    Pete,

    Its not like it’s hip-replacement surgery…it’s done very often, especially by the guy Phillipon. A-Rod is not some 80 year shriveled up mess who is going to need a walker. In listening to ESPN’s injury analyst this afternoon, she said that all of these injuries are different, noting that the option the Yankees have taken here is the right one, rather than automatically opting for surgery. What happened to Lowell and even Utley are individual cases, as all of these labrum tears should be taken as.

  63. Rebecca-Optimist Prime...Staying to Write the Story March 5th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    Laura, I generally agree with a lot of your comments, but I’m not quite sure you’re grasping how long nine years.

    I don’t think Utley’s signed for anywhere near that long…

  64. trisha - As long as you're in pinstripes, Kei, I've got your back. March 5th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    “The contract was a mistake to begin with”

    Arod was going to get that contract before he opted out, and I didn’t see anyone throwing up their hands in despair at that point in time!

  65. Teixeiramvp March 5th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    How about this: We fix the problem by filling a different hole. We get rid of Pettite and execute a trade for Roy Halladay, someone who’s a free agent at the end of the year and who I’m almost sure hasn’t already been traded! That way,our team becomes almost impossible to score upon and we won’t need as much offense!

  66. Peter Abraham March 5th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    A 10-year contract for a player in his 30s is a bad move regardless of the player. The Steinbrenners got all giddy about marketing the HR chase for some reason. Those lengthy deals never work out for the team.

    Beyond that, what team out there wanted to sign him? They could have had him back for 5 years or 7 years. The Dodgers got tough with Manny and it paid off. The Yankees caved in. They should have listened to Cashman.

    It was a bad idea at the time and now given everything that has happened in the last month, it’s a nightmare.

  67. dee March 5th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    trade for matt holliday.
    trade nady for a 3B.
    keep swish as backup OF.
    tex bats 3rd, holliday cleanup

  68. TimStoddardOwnsYou March 5th, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    PS…as for the MRI at the end of the year not revealing the injury, sometimes it takes 3 or 4 to find these tears, as they are well hidden, especially if there was a cyst there.

  69. Betsy March 5th, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/06/sp…ankees.html?hp

    “It doesn’t mean it’s going to get worse, it doesn’t mean it won’t get worse,” Yankees General Manager Brian Cashman said. “That’s the gray area, that’s what we’re all trying to figure out. It’s in our best interest, because he’s such an asset. Part of the conservative treatment is to limit his spring training. If we’re going to try to see if we can get through the season with it, let’s shorten the pounding he’ll be taking.”

    Cashman said the Yankees knew Rodriguez had an “irregularity” in his hip when they gave him a magnetic resonance imaging exam after he hurt his quadriceps muscle last April.

    The Yankees did not perform another M.R.I. on Rodriguez until Saturday, after Rodriguez complained of stiffness during spring training. Cashman said there was no reason to examine the hip after last season because Rodriguez did not have any pain. “He’s always had stiff hips,” Cashman said.

    ***It’s asinine that the Yankees did not look into this further after they discovered an “irregularity” last year. Are they just completely clueless? I am so aggravated……

  70. Teixeiramvp March 5th, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    Wow, I feel stpid about Holliday…

  71. Teixeiramvp March 5th, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    Sorry, stupid.

  72. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    it’s truly amazing how much some people panic and lose all rationality as a result.

    We barely know any of the details and people are already giving doomsday scenarios.

  73. Danny March 5th, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    Adam Schien on SNY just said this is addition by subtraction and we will be better without him and his drama

  74. EvoLuTioN March 5th, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    trade for beltre, and DH arod. thats the best outcome we can have.

    Have to dump matsui somewhere

  75. Rishi March 5th, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    Go back to the last thread and search for Michelle’s comments on the difference between Utley and Lowell – Lowell’s had the injury FOREVER and kept putting off surgery…not the situation here.

    I mean, we can spend all day in the “let’s trade so and so for whoever to play 3rd” or we can just relax and let things play out. I think if he wasn’t really in pain before, chances are good he can make it through the season.

  76. bru March 5th, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    arod as a dh will make it hard for matsui,swisher to get ab’s & put more pressure on posada to catch more games.

    have him get the surgery & eat the 4 months & hopefully he can come back in less time than that.

    we have a month to play with before the season.

  77. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    Pete, unfortunately, is 100% correct.

  78. TeKNetiCK March 5th, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    The organization and medical staff have shown their ineptitude about conditioning/injuries since 2005. Not surprising they botched this too. Remember all those hamstrings that got injured in 07? Like 6 of them by May.

    This is not surprising.

  79. Ham Fighters March 5th, 2009 at 6:05 pm

    trisha if u think it was unanimous that everybody wanted alex back after the opt-out you’re crazy. i was one of many who were dead set against resigning him.

    whats done is done and there was no way to forsee this when they signed him but the 10 year contract was asking for disaster.

  80. SJ44 March 5th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    Here’s the way I see it…..

    The Yankees are going to trade for a third baseman. There is no other way around it.

    They aren’t playing a guy with a torn hip labrum for a full season. Especially a guy with 9 years and 270 million more on his contract. Can you imagine what would happen if he aggreavated this injury to the point where he would need a hip replacement? That’s why this won’t go on for much longer, IMO.

    When they get a third baseman, Arod will have the surgery.

    The Yankees have money, prospects and desire. Other teams are bleeding red ink. That means a match will happen.

    The more money the Yankees take on (as in the cases of Hall, Rolen and Mora for example), the lesser prospects they give up.

    I bet if they called the Blue Jays tomorrow and said they would take on the rest of Scott Rolen’s contract, he would be a Yankee by Monday and Arod would have the surgery on Tuesday.

    All today is about is setting parameters.

    In essence, its a season ending injury. Its just a matter of time when you end his season.

    If he can get the surgery within the next two weeks, and all goes well, he could be back in September. Two months? It ends his season and you have a guy add more wear and tear onto his bad hip. Doesn’t seem like a plausible plan to me.

    That’s why I think there will be a new third baseman in the next two weeks.

  81. Michelle B. (X is the new black) March 5th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    Degenerative HIP — c’mon people – This is completely related to his quad injury from last yr. Scar tissue and ossificans (bony formations) develops if you dont take care of the injury correctly and fully. The surgery will take care of everything. It will be a moot point soon enough. 9 yrs of a contract is a long time, but injuries can happen to anyone at anytime so it wouldnt matter if you had a 2 yr contract or a 20 yr contract.

    Now back to getting drew henson or josh booty. Anyone else excited about the possibilities….

  82. Teixeiramvp March 5th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    Peter,
    I disagree. A-Rod was the best player in the game. Look at it at an ownership perspective; you have the money and quite possibly the greatest player EVER is out on the market, in his prime, looking for a deal. And then the year it looks as if he’s leaving he wins MVP, naturally they’re desperate to get him back at any cost…I’m sorry, but I stil think A-Rod made the Yanks better and I hope to God he’s going to be fine…We all basically know nothing about it…

  83. 407 feet right of center March 5th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    what was albert belle’s problem ? if career ending, wonder if yanks have insurance on a-rods contract. also condition may free up 3rd for jeter in 2 years

  84. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    Teixeiramvp
    March 5th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
    Tyler-Holliday was traded? When?

    ————————————————————

    Gee, seems like just the other day. How about 4 months ago.

  85. yankeefan91 arod fan rootin for team D,R March 5th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    how about trade for miguel tejada and put him in third base hes playin third in the classic and u noe alot of players for sum reason move from short to third and hes a free agent after the season

  86. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    Pete,

    It doesn’t mean that Alex won’t perform at a high level over the length of his contract. It’s just a little bit less likely.

    Of course the HR records that the Yankees paid big $$ for are essentially worthless.

    If salaries go back up in 3 years, and Alex can perform like a $20M/yr player, the Yankees may have only made a $100M mistake (yes, only) :)

  87. EvoLuTioN March 5th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    Beltre is available, its his walk year. Nab him before his price is sky high at the trade deadline

  88. trisha - As long as you're in pinstripes, Kei, I've got your back. March 5th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    Pete I want to respond to the long-term contract thing. As soon as my sister leaves I will.

    :)

  89. NY RANGER March 5th, 2009 at 6:08 pm

    As Michael Kay said… we are not a contender if A-Rod is out for a significant period of time. We can survive short term– not 4 months.

    People don’t realize how important he is to the team.

  90. joeman March 5th, 2009 at 6:08 pm

    this team at this time isn’t that good, SP is good with a little depth. The RP is OK but won’t be if Mo can’t come all the way back from his shoulder problem (he said today he thinks he can be ready by Apr 6th. (think isn’t a good sign)1st base & 2nd base are solid,the SS is on the downside,3rd base is a huge question mark now. Who knows if Jorge will be able to catch 4 days a week. ( I doubt it)LF Damon good offense bad defense. CF will be a problem all year with no set player,Melky stinks,Gardner can’t hit,Swish dosen’t want to play there & Damon can’t play the position any more,RF is decent,DH decent…

  91. EvoLuTioN March 5th, 2009 at 6:08 pm

    we do not need miguel tejada, that guy would create more media mess

  92. EvoLuTioN March 5th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

    NY Ranger, we are gonna be in a horrible position if Arod is out 100% for sept/oct

  93. wood is good March 5th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

    Pete, here’s a great idea: Have a filter that takes out all fictious trade scenarios. Yeesh, what a waste of time they are!!

  94. Peter Abraham March 5th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

    Teixeiramvp: What other team had offered him that much? They bid against themselves.

    10 years for any player in his 30s is dumb. Not one of those long terms deals has worked out well for a team, outside of maybe Mussina. They all become regrets.

  95. EvoLuTioN March 5th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    Damon is fine in outfield if he plays in the corners…..having him in CF is where his defense is bad

  96. Ham Fighters March 5th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    exactly sj, there is zero chance of they trying to ‘tough it out’ this year with that contract.

    bite the bullet and pay what you need to for a power hitting 3B man and hope alex makes it back for the pennant race.

  97. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    Scott Rolen is signed for another 2 seasons and $22M.

  98. CG March 5th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    Pete’s right. Too long of a deal. The Steinbrenners lost sight of things and should have listened to Cashman.

    To think what things would be like without ARod chewing up the scenery all around. As impressive as the numbers are he puts up, I would rather do without the drama.

    It is to dream about what the Yankees would look like with someone else at third.

    I would venture to say they would be less reviled and more of a pleasure to root for. ARod confuses this equation greatly.

  99. yankeefan91 arod fan rootin for team D,R March 5th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    but tejada u noe he can hit and what i seen of tejada hes preety clutch and hes a free agent after the year so let him walk after and hope to god by next spring arod 100% to play third

  100. joeman March 5th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    trade for beltre, and DH arod. thats the best outcome we can have.

    Have to dump matsui somewhere

    ———

    what do you do with Jorge when he only catches 3 days a week

  101. jeff March 5th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    The only way you can get Beltre is if its confirmed that A-Rod is not only out, but out for the year.

    Beltre isin’t going to go to the bench with A-Rod comes back in August, not with Boras as his agent in his contract year. Thats the problem with getting an above average starting 3B… if you trade for them, you have to start them for the entire year otherwise you create an uncomfortable situation.

    Thats why you need to explore guys like Figgins, Chad Tracey, Martin Prado, etc. who can be short term fixes who can go back to the bench when needed.

    And you can’t trade for someone like Rolen who has more than a yr on his deal. So when looking for trades– it has to be someone who has 1 yr left on his deal and who is comfortable eventually going back to the bench.

  102. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    NY Ranger,

    Michael Kay said it so it must be true. Cmon now…

  103. EvoLuTioN March 5th, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    absolutely no good can come from rest & rehab. Have him back for the 2nd half of the season and be done with it. We tried rest and rehab with posada and matsui and look where that got us

  104. EvoLuTioN March 5th, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    joeman, i much rather have Arods bat in DH then be worried about putting posadas bat in the lineup.

  105. Nick in SF March 5th, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    Had anyone considered how the cyst feels right about now?

    It was its dream to go to the World Baseball Classic ever since it was a little speck and it’s been working out and training and growing ever since and suddenly, poof, that dream is dead.

    Our thoughts are with you, little buddy.

  106. EvoLuTioN March 5th, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    yankeefan91.. tejada is about to be deported

  107. Thurman March 5th, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    SJ44 — does that mean we can ignore the Damaso Marte rumors already coming out of Cleveland?

  108. teddy March 5th, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    peter dead on, is was a dumb contract when they agree in 07,is real dumb now

  109. Michelle B. (X is the new black) March 5th, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    HE WONT NEED A HIP REPLACEMENT!! good god people This isnt Bo Jackson — he doesnt have any necrosis issues. The labrum is already shredded, it wont get worse. It’s not going to put any more stresses on the hip than he already does.

  110. SJ44 March 5th, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    Betsy,

    Exhale. Teams don’t routinely give multiple, end of season MRI’s to players who aren’t complaining of an injury.

    As TimStoddardOwnsYou said, each of these injuries are different animals. If a player is “stiff”, they don’t automatically put him in the MRI tube.

    Even if they did, if the cyst hadn’t formed completely, which caused the tear, nothing out of place would have shown up in the MRI.

    Simply put, sometimes injuries just happen. Its not malfeasance, steroid use or anything else. Its normal wear and tear on an athlete’s body.

    That’s why teams try to get younger and not older. The older you get, the more your body breaks down.

    In this case, its why I believe the Yankees will trade for a third baseman and Arod will get the surgery sooner rather than later.

    Once he has the surgery, he’s as good as new. If it ends most or all of his 2009 season, so be it.

    If they mess around with it, and it becomes chronic or worse, that’s when you have real problems.

    They need to avoid that at all costs.

  111. EvoLuTioN March 5th, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    Jeff, I don’t think you realize how huge Arod is to the lineup. Getting someone like crosby to replace him for half the year is not getting us anywhere

  112. Yank1 March 5th, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    We are not better than Tampa or Boston without A-Rod.

  113. Thurman March 5th, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    Sorry, meant to write Andy Marte….

  114. Thurman March 5th, 2009 at 6:15 pm

    I say activate Nettles!

  115. EvoLuTioN March 5th, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    Beltre is the closest thing we could get to Arod.

  116. Day March 5th, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    why do people think that the season is automatically over without arod? i mean of course our offense is going to suffer greatly, but the TB Rays won the AL East without an arod type player. with the yankees rotation and BP, they definitely have a shot without arod.

  117. THE TRUTH March 5th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    Pete,

    You keep it real. some of the people that read your blog are just to sensitive. of course it is a bad thing to have a 3b with a bad hip signed for 2 more years

  118. A-List March 5th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    Evolution, agree.

    It has to be someone GOOD like Beltre. Not a filler like Ray Durham.

    Getting a bench player to replace A-Rod isin’t going to do much. Problem is… Will Beltre agree to go to bench when A-Rod is ready to return? This guy is an upper echelon 3B in a contract year with Boras as his agent.

  119. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    Yank1,

    the Yanks might not have been better than them with ARod.

    However, both teams should see some injuries of their own this season.

    All the teams have plenty of “IF’s” that remain to be seen.

    That’s why you play the games. There are people on here that are already jumping off bridges. The Yankees can still win.

  120. yankeefan91 arod fan rootin for team D,R March 5th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    evolution i have heard of that but i heard there gonna put him on probation but to me hes a preety good hitter and can drive in 90 plus runs

  121. joeman March 5th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    wouldn’t be to happy now if I put down huge cash on the Yankees to win the WS at a short price

  122. THE TRUTH March 5th, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    ……….oh wait it is 9 years. of course it is bad people, get real!

  123. bru March 5th, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    we won in the 90′s with boggs,hayes,brosius & no major power hitters.

    if our pitching holds up we should be fine.we should trade for a decent 3rd baseman so we don’t have to mess with the other issues like posada catching more if arod is the dh,matsui,swish losing at bats & so on.

  124. vinny-b __trade for Hank Blalock__ March 5th, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    “Pete, this could have happened to anyone. Utley had it as well and he’s 2 years younger than A-Rod. I swear, any chance you get to get a dig in on Alex, you go for it. At least you’re consistent”

    Pete is stating the truth.

    when the contract was signed it was awful. It is awful now. And it will be awful in then future.

    you cannot spin it.

  125. EvoLuTioN March 5th, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    A-list, we just have to try and deal nady and matsui by the trade deadline. We’ll get prospects back and we’ll be able to keep Beltre at 3B and have Arod DH only, which i believe will give us some nice results.

  126. Teixeiramvp March 5th, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    I’m not giving up on my Yankees just yet. I believe we are very, very, very much in the playoff race with or w/o A-Rod. We are a good team with a decent lineup and greta starting pitching with no A-Rod. With A-Rod, we’re favorites. Peter-Fair point. I feel as if I’m being attcked everywhere today, I’m the lone Yankee defender on the Yankee website comment board on the A-Rod article. There I’m letsgoyankees. If you want to help me fight the good fight, don’t hesitate. I’m horribly outnumbered.

  127. Teixeiramvp March 5th, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    I’m not giving up on my Yankees just yet. I believe we are very, very, very much in the playoff race with or w/o A-Rod. We are a good team with a decent lineup and greta starting pitching with no A-Rod. With A-Rod, we’re favorites. Peter-Fair point. I feel as if I’m being attcked everywhere today, I’m the lone Yankee defender on the Yankee website comment board on the A-Rod article. There I’m letsgoyankees. If you want to help me fight the good fight, don’t hesitate. I’m horribly outnumbered.

  128. Teixeiramvp March 5th, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    Sorry, duplicate.

  129. yankeefan91 arod fan rootin for team D,R March 5th, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    evolution u think beltre is better than tejada maybe that one year with the dodgers but noooo

  130. EvoLuTioN March 5th, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    beltre is much better than tejada…

  131. joeman March 5th, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    I would rather chase after Figgins,he can play 3rd,2nd & OF…if somehow Arod plays thru this Figgins can settle into the CF position (UPGRADE)

  132. ZMan March 5th, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    Seattle was very difficult to deal with to acquire a reject like Jarrod Washburn. I doubt it is going to be easy to acquire a top 3B like Adrian Beltre. And doesn’t he have a NTC anyway?

  133. SJ44 March 5th, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    Why do people think the season is automatically over without Arod?

    Because this is the LoHud Blog. Every injury is life threatening and every loss by the Yankees means the season is “over”, regardless of when such losses occur.

    Its a huge setback. Last I checked though, there were still 162 regular season games left to play.

    They just have to sack up and overcome it. That’s what good teams do.

  134. 86w183 March 5th, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    Another thread suggested Ray Durham, a career 2B could be signed and tried there. He’s a switch hitter, better from the right side so he could play 3B some and let Alex DH some. That’s one possibility.

    If Matsui has to be a $ 13 million part time DH so be it. If Alex is going to try to tough it out he’ll benefit from being the DH on a fiarly regular (if not fulltime) basis.

    Ransom cannot be the answer

  135. Teixeiramvp March 5th, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    Maybe it was bad to sign the man for such a long time, but I still like A-Rod. I truly believe he makes the Yanks a better team (not sure about him personally, of course).

  136. Sully Sox March 5th, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    I blame Madonna and her Karbala brain washing.

    Hell, I bet Madge caused the hip injury riding rough shot in the sack.

  137. Clay Buchholz Loves Laptops - Latest Post: An Urgent Message To Author (and Yankee Fan) Jane Heller) March 5th, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    I agree with SJ44, ARod will definitely have the surgery sooner rather than later.

    I disagree with Micheal Kay. ARod is a great player, but the season is not lost without him.

    Pete is right about the absurdity of ARod’s contract. The Yankees had all the leverage in the world. They never should have signed him to such a long deal.

  138. Michelle B. (X is the new black) March 5th, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    SJ,

    you are wrong — each team puts each player who has been injured and on the 40 man roster through an MRI – Xray and end of the yr physical. Now, the players can choose to sign an exemption waiver. But, most dont. I’m not sure if the yankees dropped the ball on this one or if arod decided he was ok. But if his hip had been hurting for that long he should have been in to see a specialist three weeks before the season ended last yr.

  139. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    If the Yankees do have to make a trade, I think SJ might be right. Scott Rolen isn’t a horrible move because it wouldn’t cost the Yankees much at all.

    Who else is out there? Freddy Sanchez is due 8.6M from the Pirates.

    Beltre would cost the Yankees some solid prospects and isn’t as great as some are making him out to be. what is the compelling reason for Seattle to trade him. He is on for just 1 more year and could be a type-A guy who nets them 2 1st rounders.

  140. Josiah from NC March 5th, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    SJ44,

    You see any way the Yankees will trade for Chone Figgins, or is that too far-fetched?

  141. Tomer March 5th, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    I would trade for Chone Figgins right now. Not only can he play third until A-Rod comes back, but he can move to center if and when A-Rod does come back. Worst case scenario if wither gardner or melky is having a good year? He is a utility man which the Yankees desperately need.

  142. K-Zone March 5th, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    Acquire Beltre for the start of the season through July… then trade him somewhere at the deadline. A-Rod should be back by then.

  143. Uncle Ellsworth March 5th, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    Is there actually refernces to the “Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner” AND “Moby Dick” on this thread?
    Ominous

    “the sea was angry that day my friends………….

  144. Teixeiramvp March 5th, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    Hopefully A-Rod is fine. HOPEFULLY…

  145. EvoLuTioN March 5th, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    Beltre during a walk year could very well be 100+ rbis 30+ hr

  146. Doreen March 5th, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    I happen to agree that long-term contracts are not a good thing, but when the economony was flush and players held the upper hand, you gotta do what you gotta do.

    You can argue from here till next Tuesday about whether the Yankees should have re-signed Alex at all – and the opinions will split on who likes Alex and who doesn’t – but AT THE TIME, and without knowledge of steroid use, and with no questionable injury history – ARod’s contract length was a decent risk. The Yankees stood to make a lot money based on all the things Alex was going to do as a Yankee.

    It’s why the Dodgers could afford Manny (although, it’s not long term, I understand that) – because he can make them enough money in peripheral enterprises that will go a long way toward providing the money for his contract.

    You can’t look at how things are today and say what they should have done with Alex last year. I’d have been okay if they let him walk – disappointed a bit, but okay. I was also okay that they got him back – disappointed a bit, but okay.

  147. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    SJ44,

    do you still need to ask that question, rhetorical or not?

    it’s been that way since the blog went up.

    can’t wait for the gameday threads…

  148. Teixeiramvp March 5th, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    What are Beltre’s numbers?

  149. EvoLuTioN March 5th, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    K-zone that isn’t a bad idea either, but instead of putting arod in the field right away, we should DH him only so hes in tip top shape for 2010. We can trade away matsui at the trade deadline

  150. Phil March 5th, 2009 at 6:25 pm

    He can play with it. Too much sturm und drang today.

  151. bsilva March 5th, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    Let him have surgery and get well. We won championships without the guy, have not won any with the guy. Sure he makes the team better, but if our pitching pitches up to its potential, we will be fine. If the pitching does not pitch up to its potential A-Rod won’t matter.

  152. EvoLuTioN March 5th, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....ian-beltre

  153. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    I disagree with SJ44. I think the Yanks are actually going to let Alex play. The Yankees know that surgery now or surgery in 2 months is going to jeopardize his season. They will monitor his hip closely and not let it get to the point that it puts his career at risk.

    Wishful thinking? perhaps.

    I just don’t see them picking up more than an occasional 3b backup at this point. We’ll see.

  154. yankeefan91 arod fan rootin for team D,R March 5th, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    i have notin against beltre hes a country man for my country but to me tejada has had a better career than beltre ill give u that that he would give u 25 homers and and 90 runs but hes not even 100%

  155. Mike in Harrisburg March 5th, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    Here’s what I don’t get. He’s already been “resting” since November. How will a few extra weeks of “rest,” followed by rehab, make the situation any more bearable for him?

  156. Cal Bears March 5th, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    And what do you people propose we give up to get a very good player like Beltre?

    Veras? Albaladejo? Melky?

    Seattle can get a better player with the 2 draft picks they get when he walks as a FA.

  157. Count of Montefusco March 5th, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    CG above so spot-on. As perverse as this may sound, I’m actually looking forward to following the team for a couple months without the guy. I enjoy watching a Chone Figgins-type player more despite the fact he is obviously inferior to ARod.

    Also, Trish, PLEASE — there were TONS of fans groaning about letting ARod back in…that signing threw the whole thing out of balance, whether you’re talking about payroll or clubhouse vibe or whatever else.

  158. joeman March 5th, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    somehow get Figgins

  159. Betsy March 5th, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    The injuries the last few years are really hard to take – I’ve become depressingly fatalistic. My enthusiasm for this season is nil right now……..

    SJ, good points.

    I have no idea if we are a contender without Alex or not – I’m going to expect the worst and hope for the best. For those who say this is a blessing in disguise, phooey. This sucks outright.

  160. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    Teixera,

    Beltre is a .270, 25HR, 85run, 85-95RBI guy with a pretty good glove (IIRC).

    not great but pretty good. the thing is, he would cost the Yankees quite a bit in terms of prospects (top guys). There is no compelling reason for Seattle to trade him.

  161. Phil March 5th, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    No Figgins.

  162. S.o.S. March 5th, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    I cant believe no one has come up with the obvious. We have two guys duking it out at one position trying to make the team and here we’re trying to trade for a third baseman. We have a young individual with a cannon for an arm chomping at the bit. Yes Leche at your service.

    Im all for Figgins as our third baseman.

    Can the Yankees just say NO on anything over 5 years for a player already!!! Pay more per year and less term. We just got rid of one albotross contract and we might be stuck with another. Let the count down begin.

    Its all good folks. This will actually help the Yankees focus on the field and not on the drama away from it. Yanks will have their first hot start in some time. Bank on it.

  163. CENTRAL CT YANKEE March 5th, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    Is Aaron Boone available…see the irony?

  164. Today's burning question March 5th, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    When was the last day A-Rod was not a headline grabber ?

  165. Doreen March 5th, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    Yeah, Betsy – I don’t see the blessing in disguise angle in this situation at all! And I do usually look for those silver linings. Can’t see one here.

  166. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother March 5th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    Gyrating with an older wild and crazy pop star is tough on the hips. He shoulda seen that one coming.

    All you people freaking out about a “lost season” please relax. It clouds your senses. No other team has ARod either, right?
    If needed, we replace him either in house or via trade and we still have a very good team on the field and an excellent pitching staff top to bottom. The Yanks are FAR from a one man team. Will be fun to see them find ways to with with or without him, and they will.
    Does anyone need the many examples of all the teams that have won despite an injury to their top player? Shouldn’t be hard to list them.

  167. Rockks March 5th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    My outlook for the season just went down the drain… I don’t even care about AJ, CC, Teix. The injuries are just too much. Our conditioning/medical staff is the worst in baseball. Every year we lose key players for long stretches. Why would this year be any different?

    So depressing, ugh. Can’t fight the baseball gods. Maybe one year, the luck will finally come together for us.

  168. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing March 5th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    “Jeez guys, lay off Pete. He’s merely stating the obvious.

    The contract was a mistake to begin with and now it’s all the more regrettable.”

    ************************************************************

    lol, these two things go hand in hand around here. Amusing.

    *crickets*

  169. Ham Fighters March 5th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    beltre 2008 25hr/77rbi .266/.327/.457

  170. SJ44 March 5th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    Michelle,

    If Alex just said his hip was “stiff”, they wouldn’t give him an MRI. They would examine him and if nothing was out of the ordinary, he’s off to the off-season. If they did give him an MRI, and the cyst hadn’t yet formed (no idea if this is the case), it couldn’t be diagnosed.

    Obviously, not knowing all the info, we are all operating in a vacuum. However, given the Yankees conservative bent on injuries, its more logical the injury simply didn’t yet form than it was their dropping the ball.

    Boston Dave,

    Have you checked out the ST gameday threads yet? Folks are in mid-season form! lol

    I think any third baseman who can play and who has a bad contract, is a possibility.

    This is the Yankees we are talking about. They will do what they need to do to fill the spot and they won’t be cheap about it.

    Personally, I’d love Melvin Mora but I doubt the Orioles would do business with the Yankees. Angelos would rather keep spending the money to keep him than deal him to the Yankees.

    Rolen? If the Blue Jays, whose owner just died and their franchise is bleeding red ink, can rid themselves of 22 million bucks, they would deal with anybody right now.

    Either Rolen or Mora would be perfect fits for this team.

    Its going to be an interesting 1-2 weeks because they will be forced to make a deal for somebody.

  171. joeman March 5th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    let Arod have his surgery get Figgins to play 3rd & move him(Figgins) to CF when Arod comes back…that CF position right now is ugly

  172. Tom March 5th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    9 years is a very long time. 9 years ago I was twenty, September 11 hadn’t happend. Bill Clinton was still president. The Yankees were defending world series champions. Phil Hughes was 13….

  173. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    Cal Bears,

    exactly.

    If the Yankees go the trade route, I think Rolen or someone like Freddy Sanchez are more likely.

    I personally think Alex Rodriguez will be their 3b this season.

  174. feefoo March 5th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    The Yankees are 20-23 in the 43 games Rodriguez has missed since he joined the team in 2004.

  175. EvoLuTioN March 5th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    According to Dr. Struan Coleman, a hip specialist at the Hospital for Special Surgery who is not treating Rodriguez but is familiar with his case, fluid from inside A-Rod’s hip joint has been pushed through a tear in the labrum (a rubbery ring of cartilage in the hip) and has formed a cyst outside it.

    Coleman and two other doctors contacted by the Daily News agreed that it is unlikely that Rodriguez’s injury has anything to do with his admitted steroid injections. Questions had arisen because cysts in a muscle are a common side-effect of intramuscular steroid injections, as is avascular necrosis (loss of blood supply to the bone) from use of the drugs themselves.

    “Because A-Rod kept changing his story about his steroid use,” said Dr. Lewis Maharam, the medical director of New York Road Runners. “It made us skeptical about his hip issue, thinking it could be steroid-related. It is not. Avascular necrosis of the femoral head is linked to steroids and sometimes described by the lay public as a cyst. This is not what he has.”

    stop saying its roids

  176. Doreen March 5th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    Adding on:

    But just because I don’t see a silver lining doesn’t mean I don’t think the Yankees can’t have a good season without Alex.

    Of course, my definition of a good season may be different from a lot of other people’s.

  177. yankeefan91 arod fan rootin for team D,R March 5th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    CENTRAL CT YANKEE

    yea i heard hes gonna b the utility player for houston

  178. bru March 5th, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    the yankees will listen to the doctors.if the doctors scare the crap out of the yankees by saying that if arod plays he risks further damaging the hip & facing huge problems then they will protect their investment.

    no way they risk it with 9 yrs 270 million left.they will trade for a 3rd baseman or put cody there.

  179. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    SJ44,

    your argument for making a trade is a good one. Don’t you think there is a possibility, though, that Alex’s injury is minor (in terms of the grade of the tear) and he could realistically play this season?

    It seems premature to me to be making any definitive statements.

    The Phillies were faced with a comparable situation last season and it worked out well for them.

  180. Teixeiramvp March 5th, 2009 at 6:35 pm

    I guess Beltre’s not a bad move. He sounds fairly decent.

  181. vinny-b __trade for Hank Blalock__ March 5th, 2009 at 6:35 pm

    “Who else is out there? Freddy Sanchez is due 8.6M from the Pirates”

    Hank Blalock !!!

    I don’t see the Angels moving Figgins.

  182. Clare March 5th, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    SJ44,

    According to Kepner (I linked in a comment in the last thread), the Yankees knew of an “irregularity” in his hip when they did an MRI in April. Long knew it was hampering his swing in July, but the Yankees did not send him for another MRI til Saturday.

    Even if teams don’t routinely do end of year MRIs, with the “irregularity” in April, I think it would have been prudent to do another scan. Of course, hindsight is 20/20, but I don’t think it’s much of a reach to think someone dropped the ball here. You need to err on the side of caution with your greatest “asset.”

  183. Doreen March 5th, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    Boston Dave -

    If recent history is any indication – anything that could go wrong has gone wrong for the Yankees (Phil Hughes, Ian Kennedy, Jorge Posada, for example). The karma in the Bronx hasn’t been all that good lately.

  184. joeman March 5th, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    I get a feeling Mo won’t go north with the team, him saying he thinks he’ll be ready on Apr 6 isn’t sitting right

  185. SJ44 March 5th, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    Excellent story on the front page of the Daily News website on Arod.

    Has quotes from three seperate doctors talking about how this type of injury is NOT from steroid use. Its from the normal wear and tear athletes put on their hips.

    Its worth a look. A very good and informative read.

  186. EvoLuTioN March 5th, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    SJ44 i posted the quotes :P

  187. Dave D March 5th, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    Chase Utley hit .292 with 33 HRs, 104 RBIs, 41 doubles, and stole 14 bases last year.

    He actually had a career high in HRs.

  188. trisha - As long as you're in pinstripes, Kei, I've got your back. March 5th, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    “You can argue from here till next Tuesday about whether the Yankees should have re-signed Alex at all – and the opinions will split on who likes Alex and who doesn’t – but AT THE TIME, and without knowledge of steroid use, and with no questionable injury history – ARod’s contract length was a decent risk. The Yankees stood to make a lot money based on all the things Alex was going to do as a Yankee.”

    Doreen is exactly right. And to show you how fair I am in all of this, I was someone who didn’t want Arod back at all. When they announced his opt out I was thrilled when it appeared the Yankees were telling him to go pound sand. My days were made when it became so obvious that nobody was going after Arod. I was pretty stick to my stomach when the Yanks capitulated. But I realize I was operating totally from my dislike of the guy and my probably judging him more harshly than I should have when he didn’t singlehandedly carry us to the promised land.

    But with all of that, looking at it objectively and through the prism Doreen provided, when you have arguably the best player in the game in front of you and you were set to sign him anyway, you sign him when you get the chance. I can’t fault the Yankees for that.

    Again, hindsight is 20-20. The reason I am always loathe to use I told you so is because I always know that I am not operating with the same knowledge and information as the Yankees. When they make a decision that is contrary to the way I would have liked to see things go, I totally know it is sheer happenstance if my way ends up taking the day.

    I am a mere fan, they are the braintrust. Seriously.

  189. dave March 5th, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    For all the people in this blog who are blaming hank steinbrenner, all I have to say is you are being absolutely ridiculous. I did not like the contract when it was signed because arod basically came crawling back to the yanks, they had him on the ropes and they gave him everythign he wanted and then some. But to say this is hanks fault is just totally misguided.

    One, arod has been the best all around player in all of baseball for the last decade.

    Two, no one knew arod had ever taken steroids or would even guess that he had.

    Three, cashman has had full control of the reigns for quite some time now and made a massive decision regarding hughes and santana the exact same season arod was re-signed so to say cash had nothing to do with the decsion is absolutely ludicrous.

    Finally, I would like to say that salaries in contract for the premier players in the MLB have skyrocketed within the last ten years. 20 mil for a player over 40 seems illogical now but in 7 years, it may very well be a bargain if arod is still hitting the ball well. Lets see what pujols and hanram sign in the coming years and then, decide how miserable this contract could be.

  190. EvoLuTioN March 5th, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    Beltre is gonna be paid 12 mill, he is a free agent next year. Seattle knows the future is important, getting 2 first rounders isn’t guaranteed if they let beltre walk in the offseason.

  191. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 6:39 pm

    Dave D,

    Utley’s #s went down sharply after the injury though.

    The point is, he played ALL season and through the playoffs with the injury.

    I think it’s premature to suggest that ARod cannot play this season.

  192. EvoLuTioN March 5th, 2009 at 6:40 pm

    If the cyst comes back(very likely) the chances of aggravating the torn labrum are high

  193. trisha - As long as you're in pinstripes, Kei, I've got your back. March 5th, 2009 at 6:41 pm

    “Obviously, not knowing all the info, we are all operating in a vacuum. However, given the Yankees conservative bent on injuries, its more logical the injury simply didn’t yet form than it was their dropping the ball.”

    Absolutely agree SJ. Girardi had already thought it was a good sign that there was no pain. Well stiffness isn’t necessarily unheard of at the end of a season!

  194. Tom March 5th, 2009 at 6:41 pm

    I like Chad Tracy. He hits RHP reasonably well-.854 career OPS vs RHP.

  195. EvoLuTioN March 5th, 2009 at 6:41 pm

    Boston Dave, we have spent 400 mill this off season. Are the yankees really in a position to experiment with Arod? If he can’t produce we are royally screwed and the hole may be too deep to come out of.

  196. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    Doreen,

    that’s an understatement (Wang and Joba last year as well; Mariano needing surgery, etc etc etc).

    I still believe the Yankees are undergoing some sort of transformation and are on the right track. Things will turn around.

    Optimistic? You bet… but I’m sticking to it.

  197. dave March 5th, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    Also, I am going to go way out on a limb and say arod is far, far better conditioned than Mike Lowell last year. I mean arod is approaching his mid 30s but he has been the picture of health for the wide majority of his career. I am not going to say the PEDs has nothing to do with something like this because I could not claim to know that. But I do think arod is in much better shape physically then most other players of the same age which could only help us. I have to say though that this SUCKS!! One more thing to worry about all season long like matsui, posada, rivera and most of the starters werent enough.

  198. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 6:43 pm

    Evolution,

    even more reason to play ARod this season.

    thanks for bringing up that point.

  199. Jeff March 5th, 2009 at 6:43 pm

    Tracy would be a great fit… wouldn’t cost much either

  200. Teixeiramvp March 5th, 2009 at 6:44 pm

    Wow, this is like Twilight Zone. All our hopes are raised to the heaavens, we’re all full of optimism, and then, in one second, go crashing around us, thanks to a silly little hip tear affecting one player. They may still win, but A-Rod would certainly help…

  201. vinny-b __trade for Hank Blalock__ March 5th, 2009 at 6:44 pm

    “For all the people in this blog who are blaming hank steinbrenner, all I have to say is you are being absolutely ridiculous. I did not like the contract when it was signed because arod basically came crawling back to the yanks, they had him on the ropes and they gave him everythign he wanted and then some. But to say this is hanks fault is just totally misguided”

    it is Hank’s fault and/or the rest of the Steinbrenner family who over-ruled Cashman.

    it was one thing to go against Cashman’s decision. And then another to completely *bid against themselves*. 10 years??? Are you freeekin kidding me? And this is not a steroid issue. No need to even bring it up.

  202. trisha - As long as you're in pinstripes, Kei, I've got your back. March 5th, 2009 at 6:44 pm

    I believe the Yankees will have one of their best seasons ever. Whatever part of it Arod is there for will make it all the better.

    Kudos to Cashman and the organization for getting CC, AJ and Tex!

    GO YANKEES!!!

  203. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 6:44 pm

    dave,

    IMO, Mike Lowell is not a good comparison.

    He couldn’t even walk to his car after games. As was posted in the last thread, his hip “was shredded”. That is not Alex.

    Look at Chase Utley, perhaps, for a better comparison.

    I’d expect Alex to be able to play but at a lower level (75%?). That’s still better than the plan B’s.

  204. bru March 5th, 2009 at 6:44 pm

    i hope the yankees do not trade hughes.kennedy yes,hughes no.

  205. SJ44 March 5th, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    Clare,

    Lots of players have irregularities with their bodies.

    To this day, Andy Pettitte refuses to have an MRI of his elbow, fearful of what’s really in there and afraid the team would shut him down if the ligament is damaged.

    Alex has always been a stiff hipped athlete. That doesn’t necessarily mean he has, or would have had, a hip problem. Its just the way he is built.

    Could they have done a better job? Who knows because we don’t know if when he was examined at the end of the year, he was complaining of any hip pain.

    Boston Dave,

    There is no such thing as a “minor” labrum tear in the hip. They are tears that are greater than others but, its a pretty serious injury.

    I can’t see him playing with it. Right now, there’s probably some (no, a LOT) of denial going through his mind and he wants to try and play with it.

    However, when the dust settles, he’s going to have to have the surgery sooner than later, IMO. The sooner he has it, the better chance he has to return in August or September.

    If he tries to play with it and can’t, and he enters April or May, his season is over.

    I say, get a third baseman, and then get him in for the surgery ASAP.

    I think the biggest mistake the Yankees can make here is to see if he can gut it out. I don’t see a happy ending to that one and he could injure the hip more severely.

    It stinks and its a huge blow to the team. But, in the immortal words of that thespian Brian McNamee, “It is what it is”.

    Get it taken care of and find a replacement. Its all they can do, IMO.

  206. Jeremy March 5th, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    “Has quotes from three seperate doctors talking about how this type of injury is NOT from steroid use.”

    Doctors are boring. Let’s draw a line from ARod’s steroid use to his cyst and labrum tear anyway, because it’s more interesting than saying he suffered a random injury.

    I wonder why I read this site, as the negativity of Pete’s posts is overwhelming. Yes, we know ARod’s contract is bad, especially since the Yankees bid against themselves and paid for a home run chase that has lost much of its appeal. Yet to imply that the Yankees are now screwed because they have ARod under contract for nine years is unnecessary. ARod could recover and continue being an elite hitter for most of those years, or not. We don’t know yet.

    I am tired of Pete rushing to the worst possible conclusion about anything ARod related, whether it’s his innocent commenet about Reyes, the origin of his injury, or whether ARod will recover and return to form.

  207. Danny March 5th, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    As Adam Schien on SNY said… we will be better off without A-Rod and his drama.

  208. Sully Sox March 5th, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    Michael Vick is available.

  209. X-Mann March 5th, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    Even if Alex hits .280 with 24 HRs and 80 RBIs, he is better than anything we can replace him with.

  210. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 6:47 pm

    “If the cyst comes back(very likely) the chances of aggravating the torn labrum are high”

    Evolution, what is your source on that?

    The chances of aggravating the labrum are probably inevitable. aggravate and seriously damage are not interchangeable, however.

    I’d defer to an experienced Dr. on the long term risks of playing through it. It’s not unprecedented (see: Utley, Chase).

  211. Doreen March 5th, 2009 at 6:47 pm

    Boston Dave -

    Can’t believe I forgot Wang – poor CMW!

    I’m not giving up on the season. :)

  212. trisha - As long as you're in pinstripes, Kei, I've got your back. March 5th, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    “If he can’t produce we are royally screwed and the hole may be too deep to come out of.”

    I am never underestimating Arod’s offense but you all know the saying is that Arod was hardly ever clutch but did his best hitting when we were either far enough ahead that it didn’t make a difference or too far behind to matter.

    Pitching and defense win your games and your championships. I didn’t think the Yankees needed Teixeira but am now very happy they got him. Between him and our rotation, not to mention the other players in our rotation, I can’t see why anyone is worrying. Seriously.

  213. Joe from Long Island March 5th, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    This is not the end of the world.

    Rather, it makes me glad that the Yanks went out and improved our SP with CC and AJ, and had the foresight to jump at Tex. Imagine if we didn’t have Tex.

    For now, hard to tell if Cash’s position is because he doesn’t want drive up the price of Rolen, or whomever, even more when other GMs see the news; or, if the Yanks really intend to try to play him. Depending on the size of the sucker, they may feel, if the docs concur, that he can play through it. In any case, Cash is the person to know, not any of us fans.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Scott Rolen is in pinstripes soon, as SJ suggested. I think Chone Figgins is overrated – he just looks good against us.

  214. trisha - As long as you're in pinstripes, Kei, I've got your back. March 5th, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    I meant the other position players

  215. Matthew Cohen March 5th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    It’s interesting to contrast the Yankees proclivity for signing stupid contracts with the Giants. Now, the salary cap does provide some discipline but still, the Giants are willing to avoid signing dumb contracts the other teams (Oakland) will execute.

    A GMs motto should be “first, do no harm.”

  216. S.A.-Time to take a vow of silence Alex. For your own sanity March 5th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    The Yankees and all of us will survive through this season.

    Somehow. :D

    What’s next for tomorrow? News that Shelley Duncan is really an alien from outer space?

    There is always something with the Yankees.

  217. duh- March 5th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    Arod should get surgery and get it over with even if he can’t come back till August. His absence would prove that the NYY don’t need Aflop with all of his distractions and baggage that he carries. Perhaps find a way to prove his roiding caused the injury and trade him to the blosox.

  218. YankeesNMore March 5th, 2009 at 6:52 pm

    Peter,
    With all due respect, how on earth can you compare last year’s market to this year’s, or Alex Rodriguez to Manny Ramirez?

    I’m not saying 10 years is a great idea, but it is beyond clear that you don’t like the guy, which is up to you.

    But letting your feelings about the guy polute your reporting to such a degree is, at best, unprofessional.

    Is there any cheap shot you won’t take when Rodriguez is involved?

  219. Sully Sox March 5th, 2009 at 6:52 pm

    I have to say, watching Cash and Girardi on ESPN right now, they looked pretty chipper.

    Sure the season isn’t lost and some people are fatalistic, but still, they just lost they’re number 4 hitter and the best player in the game, you’d think they’d be a teensie-weensie crestfallen.

  220. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing March 5th, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    SJ, would the Yankees really risk one of their best players in that way though? If the potential exists that by trying to gut it out he could injure it further and more severely?

    I know they let Brian Bruney rehab his injury instead of surgery because he wanted to play, but with the amount of money and years they have in invested in Alex, why would they risk that?

  221. Bret the Hitman March 5th, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    Re: Arod the new DH

    So when Arod returns are they gonna stick him at 3b and let him dive all around and twist and turn and risk aggravating the injury or are they gonna be smart, protect their 275 mil investment and DH him for the remainder of his career?

    If he’s the DH for the next 3 years, where does that leave Jorge Posada?

    Catcher for 3 more years?

  222. Ty Webb March 5th, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    Pete is right on the money here. We were out of his god forsaken contract and his erratic behavior and verbal gaffes. And then we bid against ourselves and gave him 10 years?!? He is like the abyss on this team. It’s ALWAYS something with Arod. He thinks if he has 40+ home runs at the end of every year all is well but he never stops being a distraction. I was happy when he opted out (especially after he did it in the middle of the clinching game of the world series) and then the steinbrenners bring him back for a decade! I know why they did it, but to me it never made sense. Hey is Brosius available? I bet he can still pick it at third.

  223. Teixeiramvp March 5th, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    Hopefully A-Rod will be able to play. He says he really felt no pain..If this is really, truly, God-honest true than we have no issue…Go Yankees!

  224. Teixeiramvp March 5th, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    Hopefully A-Rod will be able to play. He says he really felt no pain..If this is really, truly, God-honest true than we have no issue…Go Yankees!

  225. West side March 5th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    Pitching and defense wins…. except our defense is among the worst in the league.

  226. Teixeiramvp March 5th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    Sorry, duplicate again.

  227. SJ44 March 5th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    How they do depends on who they get to replace him.

    If Adam Schein thinks the Yankees are better off with Cody Ransom as their everyday third baseman than Arod because of his “drama”, he should be fired immediately for impersonating someone who is supposed to know something about sports.

    If they were ever able to get a guy like Mora or Rolen, it mitigates the loss better provided that other guys on the team step up.

    Look, its BAD NEWS. There isn’t anything good about it.

    But, these are the Yankees and aside from some of the younger fans in the fan base, nobody is going to hold a pity party for them.

    They just have to find a solution, even if it costs some money. I’m sure they will in the next 1-2 weeks.

  228. dave March 5th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    Vinny -

    Oh of course. Why wouldnt the owners who actually have to shell out the cash just throw as much money as arod wants at him? Are you kidding me? You act like the steinbrenners just asked alex what he wanted and then, said okay. Who would do that when it is there own money? Im not buying what you guys are selling. sorry.

    Boston Dave,

    Is there even a feasible plan B here? If alex misses three months (April, May and June) what kind of production are we getting out of third? Ransom? Moving Tex? shoving duncan into the majors? Trading a good prospect for a decent bat? None of these even sound like viable options. I think delaying the surgery at all costs is the smart move. 75 percent of Alex is ten times better than cody ransom. And fooling around with tex, would be idiotic. And whos left to sign via free agency? Mark Grudz at 39 years old. Then, we have to consider the lineup – if tex bats third, who is batting fourth? And if tex bats fourth who is batting third? Matsui until his first injury or posada until his first injury. This is why I HATE when fans say the yanks are much better this year with the injured guys from last year back. Because it never really works like that.

  229. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing March 5th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    “Sure the season isn’t lost and some people are fatalistic, but still, they just lost they’re number 4 hitter and the best player in the game, you’d think they’d be a teensie-weensie crestfallen.”

    Girardi is pretty well known as a glass-half full guy, and Cashman is king of the poker-faces, Sully.

    Must be in their job-descriptions or something, lol.

  230. duh- March 5th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    Arod doesn’t lose even when his body inevitably breaks down from his massive abuse of steroids and other agents we most likely don’t have a clue about. Yes MLB has become the shadow cousin of the WWF and Hulk Hogan’s cabal with it’s steroid induced, wacky statistics and improbable feats. Duh to all of you!

  231. Don March 5th, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    Posada can be on the bench. A-Rod is a better offensive player by far, so he belongs the DH.

  232. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    SJ44,

    re: no minor labrum tears

    what is your source on that? I’m not doubting you but I’ve been reading conflicting info.

    “In many cases, a hip labral tear causes no signs or symptoms and doesn’t require treatment. Occasionally, however, a hip labral tear may cause pain or a “catching” sensation in the hip joint….

    Less frequently, surgery is necessary to treat a hip labral tear.”

  233. m March 5th, 2009 at 6:59 pm

    I just heard they’re postponing opening new Yankee Stadium until 2010. You’d think it’d make some sense to at least try to play out the string.

    My thought on the surgery. Get it done now. Worse case he misses the first 3 months of the season. He’s a phenominal physical specimen, he’ll be a fast healer and rehab shouldn’t be a problem.

    I can understand wanting to labor through the season, but if resting it over the winter didn’t work then he should just get it done.

    I think the team will cope better with him out than wondering if he’s on or off (playing). Let them play ball.

  234. dave March 5th, 2009 at 6:59 pm

    Boston Dave – I do agree about utley being the better comparison. I just hope we are right.

    Why couldnt manny have waited one more day. Today, the yanks may have entered the bidding for his services.

  235. Don March 5th, 2009 at 6:59 pm

    Girardi who is the same guy who said they were in a ‘playoff push’ in the final week of the season lol

  236. Teixeiramvp March 5th, 2009 at 6:59 pm

    West Side-Worst in the league? Jeter, Tex, and Cano are great defenders (yes, I dared to say Jeter!), and both Gardner and Melky are very good, so we’ll be solid in center. And our pitching really IS the best in the league. If A-Rod’s there, our whole infield but the catcher is made up of fantastic defenders, and even our infield’s great when Molina’s in.

  237. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    Sj44,

    been trying to post but keep getting blocked.

    what is your source that no labrum tears in the hip are minor? I’m not doubting you but I’ve read conflicting reports online.

  238. Ham Fighters March 5th, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    agree with everybody who was against resigning arod after the opt-out, its water under the bridge. no more sense in rearguing that than there is in rearguing the santana trade.

    get the damn surgery done and get arod back for the stretch run. trade for a 3b man.

    this team is good enough to stay in the race through the asb without arod then come back with a hot 2nd half to make the PS. they might have to do some things they’d rather not, like trade some young talent and maybe play damon or swisher in CF a bit to get through, but they can do it.

    and im psyched to watch them do it!

  239. kevinsi March 5th, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    i think we shall be fine. Signing anyone to 9 years comes with the same risk as signing anyone for 4 years and then somebody else, its how you look at the contract. Its no big whoop. Plus Arod’s contract doesnt hurt the yankees that much considering that they signed cc, burnett, tex during the worst financial crisis most of us have seen. The yankees can afford to makes mistakes

  240. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    ignore the 2nd post… finally went through

  241. dave March 5th, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    as pete said multiple times when the news first broke, I cant help but wonder why in the world they wouldnt address this problem in the off season. Didnt alex have a physical and detect something was wrong. I mean a torn labrum isnt a scratch by any means. WHAT HAPPENED AND WHO MESSED UP?

  242. SJ44 March 5th, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    Angel,

    No, and that’s why I think they will get a third baseman and he will have the surgery.

    If he was in the last year of his contract, I could see them letting him gut it out.

    But, with 9 more years to run, why risk it? If pushing it causes long term damage, that’s a fireable offense IMO to the people who sign off on that strategy.

    Look, it may cost some money and a prospect or two that folks are in love with.

    However, you have 162 games, 24 other guys, a manager and coaching staff to think about. They take priority right now.

    You have to do what’s best for the team. Which is, shut him down for the surgery, get a third baseman, the best one money and/or prospects can buy, and move on.

    If he can come back in August or September, great. If he can’t? That’s baseball. See ya in 2010 Arod.

    This can’t hang over their heads once the season starts. The issue will be resolved long before Opening Day, IMO.

  243. Alfred E. Kennedy March 5th, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    If this isin’t a wakeup call to Cashman that we have to start developing some young, 2-way position players, I don’t know what will be.

    Look at us… aging players with no position. A steel-cage match for sole position of the DH. Will only get worse in the coming years.

  244. David March 5th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    Here are the options. If we put off the surgery, we hold our breaths all season that he can make through. If we do the surgery, he’s definitely out for 4 months but once he’s back, there’s a better chance he’ll be healthy for the playoffs.

    I’d do the surgery. The Yankees have a pretty deep lineup and a great rotation to keep them in the running for a few months.

  245. Therston March 5th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    You people overreact so quickly…I could swear this blog could run as a soap opera.

    Yes, let’s be concerned and worry and speculate over alot of things we do not know for sure.

    I thought it was funny when a guy called into FAN and “joked” that this injury happened during the Billiards tournament and it is all Girardi’s fault.

    I like to see some people who do not take all these things so seriously.

  246. kevinsi March 5th, 2009 at 7:05 pm

    therston,

    i does tend to be a soap opera in here, doesnt it?

    i think its not the worst thing in the world, considering its baseball and injuries like this one happen all the time

  247. Sully Sox March 5th, 2009 at 7:05 pm

    ARod proves the old adage, when it rains it pours.

  248. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    It is at least somewhat interesting that Alex (the $300M man) had an irregularity and didn’t get any further tests.

    If Joba Chamberlain said he felt something, they would probably send him for elaborate tests.

    I don’t know all the details, of course, but ARod does seem like one of the few players on the team where there is no such thing as being overly cautious.

  249. Clare March 5th, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    SJ44,

    Thanks for the response. Interesting story about Pettitte.

    Regarding the hip pain, I think I’ve read that he never really had any pain, just tightness.

    Regarding your trade then surgery scenario – that would explain what Alex’s cousin told ESPN. He was pretty specific, saying Alex was scheduled for surgery on Monday. That may have been the doctor’s initial plan – and then the Yankees convinced ARod to hold off until they could complete a trade.

    Who would you least like to give up? I’d hate to lose Coke, and Mike Dunn (assuming Melancon, Montero, and Jackson are off the table completely).

  250. Sevendust March 5th, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    Jeter is a great defender? Oh boy

    Gardner will be solid in center. We have no throwing arms out there though.

  251. Ham Fighters March 5th, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    wondering if maybe boras contradicting cashman might have something to do with beltre being his client. cot’s says he has a limited ntc, wonder if the yankees are on that list.

    still cant see the M’s giving up all hope like that. they arent going to win anything, but without beltran, theres really cant expect to sell any tickets. unless they get something really good back in return. (read hughes)

  252. Teixeiramvp March 5th, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    I heard that there’s a chance he just won’t feel any pain, whatever the extent of the injury. He hasn’t for a while. What I gathered is that if the stiffness goes away in his hip now that the cyst is drained, A-Rod will MOST LIKELY (not definitely!) be fine. I hope so.

  253. Ham Fighters March 5th, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    beltre not beltran sorry

  254. Day March 5th, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    i love how they talk to the players and their not worried. just shows how dramatic people are being. we have a good team no matter what. we could pull it off with or without arod.

  255. dave March 5th, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    David

    You are implying that everyone else in the lineup can pickup the slack for the best hitter in the lineup over 3 months. The first thing I think of is who else will get injured this season? Because all of the injury risk guys are still risky bets like matsui and posada. I think if we lose arod and the rest of the lineup stays as is, we could overcome for 3 months and slide into the playoffs. We lose posada or matsui for a few months or both and we are really going to struggle. We probably wont make the playoffs in that scenario. You want arod back for the playoffs. I want arod around to ensure that we actually make the playoffs.

  256. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    David,

    there is no guarantee that Alex is back for the end of the season if he has surgery.

    IMO, you decide if you want him to play this season or not. IF he comes back, great, but you plan for him missing 2009 if he goes under the knife.

    I may be naive, but I honestly believe ARod will play this season. We’ll see.

  257. m March 5th, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    Boston Dave,

    I think the vets get a little more leeway. But as they age, we may have to be proactive.

    Can’t believe they would be grossly negligent with “the asset”.

    I think Alex underplayed it. “Discomfort” was actually “pain”. But if it doesn’t go away, then he should’ve sought out a diagosis.

  258. Hopeful March 5th, 2009 at 7:09 pm

    Anybody know how long each draining of the cyst, if it swells up again, would sideline him?

  259. dave March 5th, 2009 at 7:09 pm

    Day,

    Yea keep telling yourself that. Lets pretend everyone else in the lineup will have completely healthy and productive seasons because no one outside of arod was a health risk to begin with right…

  260. Ham Fighters March 5th, 2009 at 7:09 pm

    clare thats what ive been saying all afternoon. arod’s brother had very specific information that he didnt make up himself. they may have postponed the surgery indefinitly, but ill bet if they traded for a 3b now, they’d still have the surgery monday.

  261. JJ March 5th, 2009 at 7:09 pm

    If A-Rod is actually going to miss time, this sucks. He’s a great player.

    That being said, I’m reluctant to believe this injury is that serious. ESPN got seriously beat by SI on the “A-Rod Steroid” story and I think they might have jumped the gun on this one to save face as the “worldwide leader.” Their coverage of all-things-alex has been amped up to 1000 since SI got the scoop. Why else would DEPORTES get the credit? they knew they were reaching!

    People need to chill.

  262. Benny Blanco March 5th, 2009 at 7:09 pm

    what a great pr move alex! Strategically placing a cyst in your hip then having it drained with the hopes that it brings compassion your way. Brillant!!!! **sarcasm**

  263. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 7:10 pm

    Clare,

    As SJ44 pointed out, the Yankees could probably have Scott Rolen for almost nothing (if they take his 2yr/$22M contract off their hands).

    If a trade must be done, that seems like the best option.

    Beltre is not a good option (because they’d have to give up a ton to get him) IMO.

  264. SJ44 March 5th, 2009 at 7:11 pm

    Boston Dave,

    My sources are doctors I used for my clients when I asked them about this today.

    Also, the Daily News story seems to back up the contention of the doctors I know that this injury will have to be treated surgically at some point.

    They also can’t run the risk of having the tear impact the rest of the hip. If that happens, that’s when you venture into hip replacement territory. That has to be avoided at all costs.

    Reading what Cashman is saying sounds to me like they are going to give this a few weeks and see what happens. Probably because Arod has to be crestfallen right now and trying to force surgery on him immediately may be too much bad news to give him for one day.

    In the meantime, I’m sure Cash will work the phones and look for a third baseman.

    I can’t imagine any doctor, especially those from the Steadman Clinic, who honestly believe Arod will hold up for an entire baseball season playing with a torn hip labrum.

    I just don’t think its realistic.

    IMO, this is a season ending injury. Just a question of when you decide to end his season.

    If you do it sooner, you have a chance to possibly get him back for a September stretch run. If you do it later? It not only ends this season but, depending on when you do it, it could impact his ST for next year.

    With injuries like this, I always believe its best to have the surgery within 2 weeks of the diagnosis. This way, the athlete gets over the shock of the diagnosis and gets in “rehab mode”.

    The better they rehab, the faster they can return.

  265. Fran March 5th, 2009 at 7:11 pm

    Clare – I saw Girardi on ESPN News and he said the same thing as SJ44 – that if most players had an MRI they would find tears and abnormalities. He did also say that it would be very hard to replace Alex’s production in the line-up.

  266. m March 5th, 2009 at 7:11 pm

    Oops. Diagnosis. Alex’s fault.

  267. Michelle B. (X is the new black) March 5th, 2009 at 7:13 pm

    SJ,

    Re: labrum injuries and no pain associated

    most often labrum injuries in hip cause pain in other areas of the leg – IE quad, hamstring and it usually takes ruling out 13 other injuries before an mri is ordered for the hip pain. Its a weird phenomenon in sports med. I will say i’ve had two athletes both had the “snapping” hip and pain associated with it from the beginning and not one dr we saw suggested labrum tear. It took 3 months and two specialists to figure it out. There is soo much going on in the groin and hip flexor area. I personally think having surgery and getting on with it is the best thing. But, its not going to be worse 6 months from now. Like i said before Lowell had that hip injury for something like 12 yrs – and Utley reportedly aggravated his hip in the off season workouts months before the season started.

    I think that arod’s injury is a direct result of the quad injury last yr and i blame gene monahan and the rest of the athletic training/sports med staff for not getting on this towards the end of last season.

  268. CB March 5th, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    “According to Kepner (I linked in a comment in the last thread), the Yankees knew of an “irregularity” in his hip when they did an MRI in April.”

    No one has any idea what that “irregularity” was. It very well could have been a spot of early osteoarthritis which showed up a abnormalities in his hip.

    No one but Alex, his doctors and the yankees know what that irregularity is.

    It would be extraordinarily unlikely that the team and his doctors saw a labrum tear at that time and did nothing about it – not even any follow up. No way. Quite honestly the doctors wouldn’t even allow that to happen – it would be massive malpractice. You think they are going to take some kind of too casual approach with a player who was on his way to being arguably one of the top 10 players of all time. Very unlikely.

    And we have no idea if he really needs surgery now. Sounds like it all depends on how large the tear is and how much discomfort it causes him.

    Forget the steroids nonsense this was the most relevant quote from the Daily News story on the injury:

    “Dr. Ron Grelsamer, a hip and knee specialist at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York, said that labral tears are a common finding and that there were many other treatments that could come before invasive arthroscopic surgery was required.

    “Nearly everybody has a labral tear, and the problem is that becomes a license to operate when that lands in the wrong doctor’s hands,” said Grelsamer.”

    Becomes a license to operate when that lands in the wrong doctor’s hands… That’s a pretty damning statement and tells you that surgery isn’t the be all and end all of dealing with this.

    He’ll likely need it at some point. But whether he needs it now will depend on his symptoms and discomfort tolerance.

    The real concern here to me is the long term implications of this given his contract.

  269. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    SJ44,

    thanks.

    I’m sure I’m just digging for a more positive answer. Chase Utley did, after all, play almost the entire season and the playoffs with a tear. That’s not a guy you want to put in serious risk either so it’s not unprecedented.

    I’m with you on the Scott Rolen idea. I just don’t see any good options, including Adrian Beltre.

  270. PAT M. March 5th, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    Schedule the surgery and move on…..Hope for an August return…It’s a major scope operation, so it’ll be late April before he does any real rehab ( running , weight shifting ) …..I doubt that the Angels are about to move Figgins ….Mora would be a perfect fit…Beltre is going to be costly in terms of top shelf talent…..

  271. you gotta have faith (bronx zoo 2009) March 5th, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    oh boy.

  272. Tom March 5th, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    This is from an article about shoulder labrum tears, but, it may help explain why the first MRI didn’t catch the tear and the 2nd one only found the cyst:

    “The only way to know for sure that your pitcher has a torn labrum is to conduct exploratory surgery.”

  273. Sevendust March 5th, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    All I know is that we are not winning anything with a bottom of the lineup featuring Nady-Ransom-Molina-Gardner

  274. SJ44 March 5th, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    Clare,

    Who they give up depends on how much money they want to take on. The more money they take on for a given player, the lesser prospect(s) they will have to give up.

    For that reason, first call I’d make is to Toronto for Scott Rolen. Given Toronto’s serious money issues, I don’t think they will be playing hardball with the Yankees if they take his contract off their hands.

    Rolen is a great defender, high character guy, who would fit in here like a glove. Bat isn’t what it used to be but, he’s still effective.

    That would be my first, and hopefully last, call to fit the void left by this injury.

  275. Teixeiramvp March 5th, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    Here’s the meat at the bottom of all this: We know nothing. Everything we’re saying now is just panicked conjecture. We’ll learn more in a few days.

  276. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    “But, its not going to be worse 6 months from now. Like i said before Lowell had that hip injury for something like 12 yrs – and Utley reportedly aggravated his hip in the off season workouts months before the season started.”

    This, if correct, has to be strongly considered.

    There is so much conflicting info out there right now. If ARod can play this season without jeopardizing his career and have surgery in the offseason, why not?

  277. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 7:20 pm

    SJ44,

    does Rolen still have a full no trade clause?

    potential issue if he pulls the “sweeten the deal for me to waive it” bs.

  278. Ham Fighters March 5th, 2009 at 7:21 pm

    left on rolen’s contract (from cots’s):09:$11M, 10:$11M
    additional $4M bonus due Rolen in 2010

  279. Ham Fighters March 5th, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    rolen has a full ntc, but i cant imagine he wouldnt waive it go get out of toronto.

  280. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    SJ, you seem to be up on the paperwork side. When could NYY put Rodriguez on the DL if he has surgery? Say, around 1-2 March if he goes on the 60 day DL?

  281. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 7:24 pm

    technically,

    The Jays should have to throw in a good prospect for the Yankees to take Scott Rolen and pay his 2yr/$26M deal. Ouch. Of course, desperate times (if ARod can’t play) call for desperate measures.

  282. kd March 5th, 2009 at 7:24 pm

    didn’t rolen have serious issues with both bowa and larussa?

    i never understood why, but i remember hearing that he had issues with some players too

  283. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    ham fighters,

    the cardinals are paying the $4M bonus.

    It’s 2yr/$22M

  284. vinny-b __trade for Hank Blalock__ March 5th, 2009 at 7:26 pm

    I expect Toronto would line-up, to dump that contract.

    JP the Pimp, knows who the loan shark is. : )

    Rolen would provide solid defense. However, i believe Blalock would provide better offense.

  285. SJ44 March 5th, 2009 at 7:26 pm

    GB,

    Yes. They would put him on the 60 Day DL as soon as he has the surgery.

    As far as Rolen is concerned, here are his options….

    Play for what may be a last place team in Toronto, or accept a trade (if offered) to the Yankees.

    He won’t be able to get a “sweetener” from anybody in this economy.

    It would be either playing for a purpose this season or playing for nothing. I gotta think he would choose the former rather than the later.

  286. SJ44 March 5th, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    later=latter. Sorry for the typo.

  287. Patrick March 5th, 2009 at 7:29 pm

    I have a few points to make about A-rod’s hip.

    - MRI’s for hip injuries are notoriously hard to read. There are very few hip specialists. I am not surprised this injury didn’t show up on the MRI A-rod got at the end of last season, especially if the cyst hadn’t developed by then.

    - This is not a season ending injury..maybe. Recovery time is 4-6 months which would put A-rod in line for a July return at the earliest. If you don’t believe me (and Cashman) look at Chase Utley. He had surgery at the end of November and is expected to be ready on opening day. He’s already taken batting practice, etc.

    - I would not be surprised if A-rod plays through the injury. Utley did for most of last season and he had a great year. In fact, Utley played 159 games last season. We don’t know when he started feeling the injury but most people speculate he had it for months.

    Bottom line, there is room for optimism.

  288. JoeyA March 5th, 2009 at 7:30 pm

    Best case scenario for both the Yanks and A-Rod:

    Get the surgery, make a mid-August comeback, right in time for the stretch run showdown with the Sax.

    Alex gets a nice, warm applause in his first home game back.

    Has a Manny/Dodger-esque September.

    #27

  289. Brian March 5th, 2009 at 7:30 pm

    Nady used to play 3rd base in college. Since the yankees do have the luxury of it being spring training they might as well hit him some grounders and see if he can still handle the position.

  290. Benny Blanco March 5th, 2009 at 7:30 pm

    This makes me think back to when arod recently said in a interview that this whole process (steriods and backlash) would take 18-24 mo’s before it settles . hmmmmmmm did he know something that the yankees didn’t?

  291. UtilityMan March 5th, 2009 at 7:31 pm

    Someone mentioned Wislon Betemit before….I think I would not watch another Yankee Game if he ever played Thirdbase for the Yankees!!!

    Miguel Cairo for Thirdbase!!! Just Kidding

    I think Cash will come up with someone for 3B…. a sleeper.

  292. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 7:31 pm

    Pete is getting alot of love from mlbtraderumors.com today

  293. Patrick March 5th, 2009 at 7:31 pm

    So who here wishes that the Yankees never signed Alex to his new deal? It was a bad deal then, its a worse deal now, it will be a TERRIBLE deal in 9 years. Alex is still one of the greatest players in the league but first with the steroid thing now this injury… he’s not worth it.

  294. trisha - As long as you're in pinstripes, Kei, I've got your back. March 5th, 2009 at 7:36 pm

    “I like to see some people who do not take all these things so seriously.”

    Hi! I’m trisha! :D

    I would like to say that it isn’t that I don’t take things seriously so much as I know how to apply perspective and I also believe that the Yankees are a well-stocked team and so will be fine no matter how long Arod is lost to them.

    I think it’s silly to waste a second’s worth of time on whether or not the Yankees were or were not on top of this, whether it’s someone’s fault or nobody’s fault, because at the end of the day we’re still left with the same thing we have right now. So best to learn how to process and move on.

    My opinion.

  295. UtilityMan March 5th, 2009 at 7:37 pm

    If the rumor is true….
    Then I would have let him go to the Tigers last winter.
    Especially the way “he” opted out during the WS in 2007.

  296. Michelle B. (X is the new black) March 5th, 2009 at 7:37 pm

    Boston Dave,

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11.....f=baseball

    this is the article that talks about when utley felt pain.

  297. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2009 at 7:37 pm

    If the Yanks do go after a Rolen, it will be interesting to see what they ask for him. They don’t need bullpen help and Rolen for Kennedy won’t do it. I’d rather they brought Laird and Suttle up use them, rather than trade them in the deal.

  298. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    And, yes, I’m aware that Laird and Suttle are just now getting ready to start their first year of “High A” ball.

  299. bru March 5th, 2009 at 7:42 pm

    i see arod playing with the injury this year as long as doctors say it won’t damage his hip anymore.

  300. UtilityMan March 5th, 2009 at 7:44 pm

    GB7

    I like Suttle alot…but he would probably be overmatched in the majors at this point.

  301. Buddy Biancalana March 5th, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    Rolen had a full no trade with STL. He then waived it to go to TOR, does that no trade clause go back into effect with TOR or is it gone from his contract completely?

  302. Glenn March 5th, 2009 at 7:48 pm

    Seattle is in a rebuilding mode and realize that thet won’t sign Adrian Beltre after ’09 with Boras as his agent.
    Boras also realizes the Yankees position with A-Rod, being his agent so he’ll talk to other teams at the end of the year about Beltre’s services. Beltre turns 30 on April 7 and will be marketable.
    Cashman can offer Juan Miranda, and Eric Hacker plus choose 2 from among Edwar Ramirez, Steven Jackson, Jose Veras, or Jonathan Albaladejo.
    Seattle can slot a combo of Matt Tuiasosopo / Russell Branyan at 3rd base and be minus Beltre’s $12M salary.
    Have A-Rod do his surgery sooner than later, be out of the limelight and take his time rehabbing.
    Beltre is also DH insurance if Matsui’s knees don’t hold up.

  303. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    I know they aren’t ready, but, it’s better than losing them to Toronto.

  304. DT March 5th, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    In the back of my mind is Ms. Roberts book and her claim of “other drug revelations”.

    If heaven forbid Roberts comes out that there is further PED use post 2003 – Alex might be slapped with MLB 50 day suspension.

    How would that work if he was on the DL already?(assuming he has the surgery now) Can you be suspended and on the DL at the same time?

    If he was playing through the torn labrum and the hypothetical suspension happened – it would be smart to just get the surgery out of the way and avoid the media circus that would ensue.

  305. UtilityMan March 5th, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    Agreed
    It would have to come down to what Toronto would want,obviously.
    I can remember the Yankees getting Mondesi from Toronto,two days after Enrique Wilson was ambarrased on National TV,after missing a fly ball in RF.
    The player the Yankees traded to Toronto was a AA pitcher named Wiggins.

  306. Teixeiramvp March 5th, 2009 at 7:54 pm

    Any good prospects who can take third? Just throwing out options.

  307. Betsy March 5th, 2009 at 7:55 pm

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03.....f=baseball

    The first baseman Mark Teixeira played 15 games at third as a rookie in 2003, but he laughed off the idea of ever playing there again.

    “We want to make the team better,” Teixeira told reporters. “You guys don’t want to see that. I don’t want to see that.”

    **I think we can forget about Tex to 3B

  308. UtilityMan March 5th, 2009 at 7:59 pm

    Mark Tehean(sp?)of the KC Royals.
    Can play 3B and RF….very good arm.

  309. Teixeiramvp March 5th, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    How does Teahen hit?

  310. UtilityMan March 5th, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    Thanks for the correct spelling

    He is a lefty swinger.
    He will be 28 in September.
    Hit 15 Hrs last year
    Came up as a 3B in 2005…played 19 games there last season.

  311. Teixeiramvp March 5th, 2009 at 8:08 pm

    Avg.?

  312. UtilityMan March 5th, 2009 at 8:11 pm

    .246
    .290
    .285
    .255

    OBP for career is .332

  313. AJW March 5th, 2009 at 8:12 pm

    Arod and the Yankees just have the surgery. Bite the bullet. You guys should have learned with Posada.

  314. Teixeiramvp March 5th, 2009 at 8:12 pm

    I’d rather have Beltre.

  315. Teixeiramvp March 5th, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    Bite the bullets all nice to say now but if we’re struggling you’re always going to wonder, “What if he tried gutting it out?”

  316. UtilityMan March 5th, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    Teiveiramvp

    Cant argue with ya there on Beltre

  317. Bo knows March 5th, 2009 at 8:19 pm

    Didn’t anyone notice how quiet Hank has been all winter. I think he was eased out due to the A Rod contract and Posada contracts, bidding against themselves.

  318. Teixeiramvp March 5th, 2009 at 8:21 pm

    Quiet? So the three biggest free agents aren’t a splash?

  319. Rich March 5th, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    Pete you need to stop hating on Arod so much.

  320. Incredulous March 6th, 2009 at 3:49 am

    Rolen, what a great idea!
    Get an aging player who can’t put together a 140-game season and use him to replace the player who could miss four months.
    I’m sure ARod and Rolen will get along down at Tampa as they rehab together.
    Oh, and Rolen’s attitude issues (two cities, two problems with managers) will go great with the Girardi clubhouse.

  321. jv March 6th, 2009 at 6:40 am

    This initial “treatment program” is eerily similar to the one they tried w/Posada last year, which is not filling me with much confidence…

  322. RockinDaBronx March 6th, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    Arod = Rick DiPietro


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