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No surgery for A-Rod

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Mar 05, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Yankees GM Brian Cashman just said Alex Rodriguez has a torn hip labrum and cyst.

They’re trying rest and rehab. The cyst was drained. The hope is he’ll keep playing.

More to come.

He’s out of the WBC.

UPDATE, 3:51 p.m.: Surgery, if needed, would knock him out four months.

The cyst was large and the hope was having it drained will lessen the stiffness Rodriguez felt.

They’re going to cut down on his time in spring training in the hopes he can get through the season.

This is a similar injury to what Mike Lowell had. Cashman refused to say what degree the tear was.

UPDATE, 4:07 p.m.: Cashman just said A-Rod will need the surgery at some point. The tear won’t just heal.

They’re hoping he can get through the season then have it. So this could be an issue all year.

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346 Responses to “No surgery for A-Rod”

  1. Matt March 5th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    *crosses fingers that this is true….*

  2. Vincent March 5th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    If he can play, let him play. Doesn’t sound like anything that can screw him up mechanically.

  3. JoeyA March 5th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    Does anybody have any insight into a torn hip labrum??

  4. Doris from Rego Park March 5th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    thats good, I guess

  5. will fl March 5th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    check this out
    http://www.boston.com/sports/b....._torn.html

  6. Kevlar March 5th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    What the…?

    So I guess A-Rod’s people (his brother/Boras) jumped the gun. that doesn’t make them look good.

  7. jeetskeet March 5th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    great so e can just play thru it the realize he needs the surgery anyway and well be without him for the stretch run and postseason

    oh wait arod never shows up for that anyway

  8. Cor Shep March 5th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    So if he’s only rehabbing.. what’s a realistic return to play?

  9. jay destro March 5th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    so does ESPN look stupid or what?

  10. Rishi March 5th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    2 questions:

    1. This confirms he’s out of the WBC, right?
    2. Can we get rid of the gargantuan poll that is killing my laptop?

  11. t-rock March 5th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    I knew there was some disconnect between A-Rod and Cashman.

    It seemed very odd how this whole thing evolved and branched out so quickly the way it did.

  12. dave March 5th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/heal.....-and-drugs

  13. Mike V March 5th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    Revising reply from previous post:

    It will all shake out.

    If A-Rod has the surgery, the Yanks can patch with Ransom or Barroa. Maybe someone else within. The Yanks should be making their contingency plans now.

    If they don’t like that, they can see who is still unsigned or who gets let go in the next few weeks or end of spring training.

    If that doesn’t sit well, they can make a low level deal to get a Boone, a Blalock, or someone else without giving up much and be willing to take on a moderate contract that other teams will be happy to get rid of in this economy. If Garner seems to be the CF in a couple of weeks, then you can always use Melky as the chip and pay his salary for the year.

    You can’t move Swisher to third (he throws left) and I wouldn’t move Nady or anyone else unless it was emergency patchwork for a game or two. If you had to do that, you would use Ransom.

    This isn’t weekend softball. You can’t put people where they haven’t played for years and think if you give them a can of beer they will catch the ball without spilling the contents.

  14. JoeyA March 5th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    http://www.physioroom.com/inju.....r_full.php

  15. Lori March 5th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    Try rest and rehab for how long? And then if it doesn’t help and he is ineffective (a la Lowell), then we lose him anyway for 2-3 months for surgery? Why not do the surgery now and give him the chance to recover in time to make an impact on the season?

    And, again, hindsight is 20/20, but I wish someone (not sure where to point the finger though) would have follow up on this more aggressively at the end of last season — he could have had off-season surgery and been recovered by now.

  16. Baseball Fab March 5th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    Do the surgery now, then he recovers, or wait and let it linger, PLUS better to have Arod not around when the next book comes out

  17. Chris March 5th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    It still doesn’t answer the question, WHY WASN’T IT FIXED AT THE END OF LAST YEAR?

    Do you think maybe Boras thought it would hurt his chances of getting a new large contract? I would say yes. I think ARod played us and played us well.

  18. Psyluk March 5th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    It’s weird that he would voluntarily play in meaningless spring training games, hit and run the bases rather well, then suddenly get diagnosed with a hip cyst that could technically require a surgery that would leave him on the DL for 10 weeks.

    At least A-Rod is kept out of the WBC and can spend the spring with the team and trying to rehab the hip. If he can play through the pain, let him play through it. No one seemed to notice anything about the way he played up until the announcement of the injury so let’s hope it won’t bother him.

    Still, really, really, really weird.

  19. saucY March 5th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    2. Can we get rid of the gargantuan poll that is killing my laptop?

    —–

    i thought i was the only one. berroa’s teeth are frightening me as i type this…

  20. Al from BK March 5th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    Torn hip labrum? Sounds like something that should require surgery. Oh well I hope this is true.

  21. Deezer March 5th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    I’m no doctor, but a torn hip labrum doesnt sound much better than a cyst to me.

  22. rconn23 March 5th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    This is all just so bizarre. But then again, so is everything in the A-Rod vortex.

  23. Cyn March 5th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    “so does ESPN look stupid or what?”

    Actually, no. They reported the story as they learned it. Who is to say it wasn’t true and when the Yankees got word of it they put the kibosh on the surgery?

  24. Danny March 5th, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    If anybody cares… from the game today -

    Swisher and Ransom walked twice each
    Bruney – 1 IP, 2 Ks
    Garcia – 1 IP, K

  25. CK in LA March 5th, 2009 at 3:46 pm

    Mis-information from/about Arod …. really????? Who’d a guessed. Apparently it runs in the family.

  26. E-gawa March 5th, 2009 at 3:46 pm

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    What was the point of even announcing any of this?

    It’s another NON ISSUE in the AROD SHOW.

    His brother is an idiot and needs to be called out.

    Why create MORE DRAMA when it’s NOTHING?

  27. Brandon Witnessed Dwayne Wade pull an MJ March 5th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    Torn labrum no surgery ? yeh that makes sense :?

  28. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    jay destro,

    ESPN is on a roll in that dept.

    of course they always spin their way out of accepting fault.

  29. Tom March 5th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    JoeyA-
    I guess it depends on the extent of the tear. Chase Utley had hip labrum surgery in november and he’s out for the first month or so of the season. Mike Lowell had it in november too and he’s just about ready to play in spring training.

  30. Oddessy March 5th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    Why delay the inevitable? He isin’t going to last 162 games plus playoff games with a torn labrum.

    Now, he’s probably going to miss a chunk of the middle of the season rather than the beginning. This is a mess….

  31. Frank March 5th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    If he needs surgery to repair the labrum, it’ll be much longer than 10 weeks, think more like september if were lucky

  32. Boyle March 5th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    I love how just about EVERY sports news site has jumped on this. ESPN has it proudly displayed on the MLB main page, and now he might not even have surgery. Yahoo didn’t even say he “may” have surgery, the article literally said A-Rod “will” be having surgery. Gotta love people who grab the faintest sign of A-Rod news and report it as stone-cold fact. I think I’ll wait for word from the Yankees instead of A-Rod’s brother. We learned awhile ago his family is not to be trusted…

    Hopefully he recovers quickly, and doesn’t need the surgery.

  33. SJ44 March 5th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    They will need to go get a third baseman. IMO, he won’t be able to holdup all year without surgery at some point.

    Once the blood flow gets impeded, that’s when you run the risk of needing a hip replacement.

    Depending on the severity of the tear, this is similar to Lowell’s injury from last year.

  34. rodg12 March 5th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    The rest and rehab can work. Utley played most of last year with a torn labrum in his hip and then had surgery in the offseason. It’s not unprecedented.

  35. G. Love March 5th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    This strikes me as “let’s see if he can play through it, if not cut him (i.e. surgery, not DFA) and we’ll find an alternative later”.

    Personally, I think if he’s going to have surgery, you have it now when most of the games don’t count.

    If he ends up going under the knife later this season, this is a colossal mistake by the Yankees organization.

  36. CountryClub March 5th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    Just get the surgery. The Yanks do this rest and rehab crap all the time and it never works out. This is the perfect time to have surgery done…a month of the recovery time will be in spring training.

  37. Laura - Just because I'm losing doesn't mean I'm lost! March 5th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    I don’t know – I think he should have the surgery. What’s the point of him starting the season only to be worse down the line? I’d rather lose him now than later.

  38. Drain003 March 5th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    ESPN also said Eli Manning was out for 1 month after that Dallas game in 07 (he didn’t miss any games)

    And said Mike Shannahan was the new coach of the Chiefs and they actually had people analyzing the move as if it was a done deal, when it didn’t even happen.

    And didn’t ESPN Deportes jump the gun on the Manny talks?

  39. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    E-gawa,

    relax. and isn’t it a little hypocritical to criticize the “ARod Show” when you follow it every day??

  40. Chewie March 5th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    Um…. isn’t that news WORSE?

    It isn’t just 10 weeks and he is back.

    Lowell tried rest and it didn’t help.

    My guess, A-rod plays 30-40 games this season.

  41. YankeesLuv March 5th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    This is a good thing right? What if rehab doesn’t work? I’m a little confused. :(

  42. Chris March 5th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    I hope Alex is not this year’s version of Posada – rest and rehab until surgery is performed in July.

  43. Patrick March 5th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    “Just get the surgery. The Yanks do this rest and rehab crap all the time and it never works out. This is the perfect time to have surgery done…a month of the recovery time will be in spring training. ”

    I agree completely. Just look at what happened last year with Posada. They tried the rest/rehab thing for awhile, it didn’t help at all and Posada missed the whole season. At least this injury doesn’t project to have a long recovery time. Get it done now and be ready to play on May 1st.

  44. Tom March 5th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    Get the surgery now and hope to come back in the 2nd half. Why do the Yankees always do the rest and rehab route. It never works….

  45. Eli Manning March 5th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    Let this be a lesson to all of us. Can’t trust ESPN as far as you can throw them.

  46. Debbie March 5th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    For what it’s worth, I was a Division 1 softball player. I tore my hip labrum somewhere during my sophomore year season, but due to a variety of reasons, I didn’t have surgery. I played through the tear for the rest of my career, and didn’t miss a game. I started at SS and played with a torn hip labrum. Painful and annoying, but it’s possible he can play, and play well, with this injury until next off-season

  47. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    SJ44
    March 5th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
    They will need to go get a third baseman. IMO, he won’t be able to holdup all year without surgery at some point.

    Once the blood flow gets impeded, that’s when you run the risk of needing a hip replacement.

    Depending on the severity of the tear, this is similar to Lowell’s injury from last year.

    ————————————————————

    Perhaps that’s why NYY is trying to downplay this as much as possible. If they don’t look as desperate, they won’t get raped in a trade.

  48. John March 5th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    Guys… this is just for leverage while Cashman goes out shopping for a 3B. If he had conceded surgery, teams would want a king’s ransom if we wanted a 3B. Now we have some leverage.

    His surgery wasn’t until Monday anyway and Boras said on ESPN News they would wait 3-4 days to make a decision (3-4 days takes you to Sunday/Monday).

    This is just to by time for Cashman to get a replacement for 2 months… he will get the surgery Monday. You can read this like a book.

  49. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    SJ44,

    Mike Lowell could barely walk in the clubhouse after games last season.

    I’m assuming the severity of the tears differ quite a bit.

    Should Alex get surgery? Probably…

    But I’m going to go the naive route and think that the tear is so small that they think it will heal on it’s own. :)

    I’d like to hear the Yankees thinking behind this decision.

  50. Wave Your Hat March 5th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    The “rest and rehab” scenario tells me the Yanks think the surgery rehab process is likely to take significantly longer than 10 weeks.

    Thanks for the mention earlier today, CB.

  51. Rebecca-Optimist Prime...Staying to Write the Story March 5th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    Remember when they tried rest and rehab with Posada and Matsui?

    Not entirely a fan

  52. Jason March 5th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    This is stupid. It is the Yankees way to get him out of the WBC. Think about it, they just so happen to schedule an appointment the day the WBC starts, after letting him play through spring training. He is fine, and will have a huge year. The Yankees despise the WBC, and this is a perfect way to get A-rod out of it.

  53. JoeyA March 5th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    6 years too early on the breakdown of A-Rod.

    All I have to say, is they better be fully confident this injury can’t pop back up midseason to really affect him.

    We did the same thing with Posada last year, when we let him rest and rehab the shoulder instead of immediate surgery, except it was mid-season and we needed him.

    This is a month before Opening Day, so they better be 100% R&R will get it done. If he needs surgery mid-June, the whole Yankee organization looks like fools!

    I’m crying foul on this whole mess! Between them knowing about it last year, never doing anything or saying anything, to him playing through it now, something is very very odd about this situation.

    He should have felt the affects of this throughout ST. A 3-letter abbreviation comes to mind when hearing about a guy having “mild discomfort” to find out his freakin’ hip is torn.

  54. Laura - Just because I'm losing doesn't mean I'm lost! March 5th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    Is this torn hip labrum a common injury? Sounds like a few players have had it.

  55. AROD fan (SIGN MANNY 2010) March 5th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    Why didnt we sign manny again? Cash stinks.

  56. rconn23 March 5th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    SJ44 – Is this a degenerative condition?

  57. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    John,

    good point. that is a real possibility.

  58. Brandon Witnessed Dwayne Wade pull an MJ March 5th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    This is not good news, he’s not really a guy that can play full level at under 100%, iron-man yes but not a iron-man that does an MJ or Wilt Chamberlain, or I can’t remember that walkoff HR w/ the Dodger player. This is not good news at all.

  59. Dave21 March 5th, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    Rest and Rehab = Surgery by April 16th, out until July.

    They never learn…

  60. Tex's New Best Friend March 5th, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    Why didnt we sign manny again? Cash stinks.

    ___

    Really? We got CC, Tex, AJ, Swish… And Cash Stinks?

    Get over it. This is the attitude that makes everyone else hate us.

  61. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    Whatever they decide, a big part of his game with be stopped….his base running.

  62. E-gawa March 5th, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    Boston Dave,

    It’s not hypocritcal when it’s forced on you.

  63. Doreen March 5th, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    Boras was just on ESPN saying that new x-rays would be done now that the cyst is reduced and that the doctor would want to kind of take ARod through some paces (swings, etc.) before recommending what to do and he sad that would be determined over the next 2-3 days.

    I don’t know that that means in the context of what Cashman had to say.

    All I know is, they waited on Jorge last year, and the rest and rehab route didn’t work.

    It would seem on the surface that you’d just want to get the darn thing repaired and be done with it.

    However, it hasn’t seemed to really impact his play poorly, so perhaps in this instance the surgery can be delayed until the end of the season or avoided altogether. Given the extent to which Alex works himself so hard, I really don’t see how going the rest & rehab route is going to work out.

    And if he can’t workout as hard as he usually does, what impact will that have on his production?

    And is there a danger of further tearing?

    Or maybe it’s a minor tear.

    But whatever it is, ARod’s brother would seem to have over-reacted just a tad, no?

  64. Betsy March 5th, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    The Dr. that was on Michael Kay said the problem with not having surgery is that the issue could reoccur…..I guess Alex is hoping to have the surgery AFTER the season, not avoid it altogether.

    I’m not sure this is a wise decision – this could put his whole career at risk. I wonder what the thought processes were and what this doctor out in CO advised…..I mean, he must have suggested that immediate surgery isn’t needed.

  65. Debbie March 5th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    Boston Dave – unfortunately, labrum tears rarely, if ever, heal on their own. They do not get enough blood supply b/c of their location, so they don’t really ever heal on their own. But, rest does help to alleviate some of the symptoms which would mean he could play through it.

    From personal experience and research, 10 weeks is definitely an undershoot of recovery time from this surgery. As a comparison, Utley is hopeful that he returns opening day.. That’s not even certain, and he had a similar surgery 19 weeks before opening day

  66. rodg12 March 5th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    All depends on the severity here. According to Mayo’s website, it’s rare that it requires surgery….

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/heal.....ar/DS00920

  67. Cor Shep March 5th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    I don’t know if this is good or bad…

    But guys common.. we got Tex this offseason.. we’ll be fine without Arod for a little while. The team without Posada/Wang/Matsui with Ponson/Rasner won 89… 89!! games last year.

  68. Vince March 5th, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    “Why create MORE DRAMA when it’s NOTHING?”

    Yeah, this whole thing is no big deal….

    Seriously though, why not just do the surgery and get it over with. Is there actually a chance that rehab completely fixes this injury? Or is it just a temporary fix?

  69. SJ44 March 5th, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    IMO, he should have the surgery now and hope to come back later in the year.

    I agree GB, that may be a reason behind it.

    Either way, his season is in real jeopardy right now.

    For a guy his size, this is a serious injury.

    At some point, surgery is the only solution to this problem.

  70. 7*7 March 5th, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    This is going to be a disaster. Get him back in May rather than lose him in the middle of the season.

  71. E-gawa March 5th, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    Kay just mentioned this blog

  72. Patrick March 5th, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    “SJ44 – Is this a degenerative condition? ”

    No, it is usually caused by, “A history of twisting on a weight bearing hip during sport.”

  73. Ham Fighters March 5th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    definitly different stories from the yankees and boras. boras clearly said that no decision had been made at the same time cashman announced that the yankees had decided against surgery.

    this isnt the last we’ve heard of this.

  74. Bronx Jeers March 5th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    It’s probably from all that bumping and grinding with The Material One.

  75. PAT M. March 5th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    SJ is referring to avascular neucrosis….That’s why I had my hip replaced..Lack of blood to the bone and the bone goes dead…..I cannot imagine him being able to play the entire season if there is a tear….Very unsettling…

  76. Rob NY March 5th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    I’m never a fan of the rest it and see what happened routine. Bruney was on that too at first last season. Chone Figgins or Brandon Inge should be looked at hard IMO

  77. DocBooch March 5th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    Just a little insight into ARods condition.

    I’m not an orthopedic surgeon, but I’ve seen plenty of OA on plain film x-rays, treated patients with the condition, and referred the bad ones out. I’m a chiropractor who runs a successful physical medicine practice.
    The labrum is the cartilage that surrounds the hip joint proper. Unlike the shoulder joint that relies on the labrum to hold the shoulder bone (humerus) in place, the Hip labrum is the part of the capsule but does not hold the leg bone(femur) to the hip joint (acetabulum).

    The important thing is that he only had stiffness and no pain. He has got a degenerated hip no doubt, he has got to change his routines in order to prevent him from having major surgery or a hip replacement before his contract is over.

  78. Molly March 5th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    Yeah, a few players get it. Fwiw, Lowell had the surgery in October (right around the end of the ALCS, I believe) but he didn’t only have the torn labrum, he also had bone spurs in his hip which was the more painful part for him. It sounds like ARod’s injury is more like Utley’s than Lowell’s…which is good news, at least for Yankee fans. I’m guessing he’ll still need surgery at some point, but Utley finished the year before he got it (obviously).

  79. jennifer March 5th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    One word. LEVERAGE!!!

  80. Lori March 5th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    well, he better have a monster home run year, because he ain’t going to be running the bases particularly well.

  81. Rishi March 5th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    UPDATE, 3:51 p.m.: Surgery, if needed, would knock him out four months.

    The cyst was large and the hope was having it drained will lessen the stiffness Rodriguez felt.

    They’re going to cut down on his time in spring training in the hopes he can get through the season.

    This is a similar injury to what Mike Lowell and Chase Utley had. Cashman refused to say what degree the tear was.

  82. rodg12 March 5th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    All depends on the severity here. According to Mayo’s website, it’s rare that it requires surgery….

    http://tinyurl.com/c2l8e9

  83. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    Debbie,

    thank you for that analysis. Is there a way to force blood supply (esp if the tear is minor) via heat or some other treatment?

    ultimately, is there a realistic chance that Alex finishes this season without surgery and can attend to it in November?

  84. This Year March 5th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    Steve Goldman just posted at the Pinstriped Bible what I theorized about in the other thread: moving Tex to 3rd (played there for Texas) and Swisher to first. Still don’t think it will happen, but it would allow the two of them and Nady into line-up. I bet Tex would volunteer given what a good guy he is. But weakening defense at 1st would be byproduct. Then again Mattingly briefly played third when injuries struck and, per usual, played it spectacularly. So who knows.

  85. vinny-b __play small ball the first 10 weeks__ March 5th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    trade for Blalock (or Figgins)

    this is why we have a surplus of pitching prospects.

  86. James March 5th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    No wonder A-Rod isin’t getting it… it would knock him out 4 months, not 10 weeks.

  87. trisha - As long as you're in pinstripes, Kei, I've got your back. March 5th, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    I think I’ll opt to wait til I get to hear this from reliable sources, i.e., wait til there’s some official word rather than all of this crazy blathering and conflicting reports.

    Eventually that will happen.

    By the way, Bruney got a fly out and two strike outs.

  88. Yankee2123 March 5th, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    Did he ever take the drug screening for the WBC?

  89. you gotta have faith (bronx zoo 2009) March 5th, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    4 months? damnnnnnnnnnnnn.

  90. Hokiehill March 5th, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    Pete, any chance I can convince you to remove all “See! We should have signed Manny!!” posts in relation to needing help at 3rd base???

    Last I checked Manny was an outfielder (a terrible one at that) and would not help us at all in this situation…

  91. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    DocBooch,

    thank you for that… though it’s scary to think about that when he is going to need to be an important piece of the team for years to come.

  92. G. Love March 5th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    I, too, think this is a smokescreen by Cashman to attempt to get another 3b w/o getting robbed.

    The only problem is any GM worth his salt can see through the smokescreen from a mile away.

    I don’t know how “savvy” it is.

    Arod’s going to have surgery. Sooner is better than later. Even if having surgery put him out till July/August, you’d then be getting an All Star at that point in the season w/o having to give anything up.

    The plan has changed for this season. If this is about Arod and the Yankees wanting him there at 3b on opening day, then they all should be smacked in the head.

    It’s not about tickets anymore. It’s about planning this season the right way.

    Get a 3b, give up some RH relief pitching and let Arod get fixed.

    That’s the best course of action. I think the Yankees know that.

    I just think Cashman has a little too much Bellicheck in him sometimes and thinks he’s fooling his competition with announcements like the one’s the team just made.

  93. Al from BK March 5th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    I think A-Rod can treat this with just more limited AB’s in ST and careful rehab. It doesn’t seem career-threatening and hopefully he can stay healthy on it. Like a previous poster said it doesn’t seem to be hindering his play so why not be careful with it instead of blowing it up and going under the knife. The rehab is at least worth a shot.

  94. Matty C March 5th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    Burress, Jerome Dyson, now A-Rod

    just ruin my year

  95. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes March 5th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    Wow, not good news at all.

    I’m glad he is sitting out the WBC.

    Sounds like A-Rod is going to need surgery after the season if not during the season.

    Suddenly, signing Teixiera is that much wiser.

    Bummer.

  96. Phil March 5th, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    So many fortune tellers. Maybe it’s a small tear. I tore the labrum in my left shoulder and was able to rehab it without surgery. Sure I’m not a pro baseball player, but I am a weight lifter and still lift weights and play lots of sports.

  97. James March 5th, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    Rather than try and upgrade 3B… go upgrade CF with Mike Cameron.

  98. Doreen March 5th, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    So, based on Pete’s update – I guess some of my instinctual response was correct – delay the surgery to after the season if at all possible.

    And then there is the “leverage” angle, too, if they decide they need to trade for a replacement.

    Boy, is it ever a bad idea to count one’s chickens.

  99. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    This Year,

    Swisher is a good defensive 1b. Tex at 3rd is a little scary though. It’s not a position you learn in 3 weeks. He played what? 25 games 6 years ago? Tough to say he can handle it. It should be more of an emergency situation vs. option #1.

    It would probably be their best bet at this point if Tex could pull it off though.

  100. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes March 5th, 2009 at 4:06 pm

    G. Love,

    I respectfully disagree.

    I see the logic of going under the knife now, but I’d rather try to rest him, drain the cyst, and have him take it easy through ST to prepare for the upcoming season.

    Then, I’d have him play and hope nothing else occurs, get out of him what you can with plans to put him under the knife next offseason. If he falls in June or whatever, we find a capable 3B and hope the money we poured into our rotation pays off.

    With Cano, Jeter, Damon, Matsui, Posada, Teixeira, and Swisher in the lineup, we should still be able to score runs.

  101. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    Phil,

    Based on what DocBooch said (Alex had no pain, just stiffness) I’d guess it’s a very small tear (I’m not a dr.).

    I’d like a professional opinion on how likely it is that Alex could realistically last a full season with treatment/rehab.

  102. CathyPoo March 5th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    I’m loving all the medical expertise in the room today :)

  103. E-gawa March 5th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    Players play hurt all of the time.

    This shouldn’t have been announced to the public. I’d like to know what his brother was thinking? Maybe he was trying to get into the spotlight by being interviewed? Wanted to see his name in the paper?

  104. Patrick March 5th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    If A-rod can handle the pain and still produce then forgoing surgery is the right decision.

    From what I’ve read in the past 20 minutes, it seems like the kind of injury you can play through. I think that it would be a good idea to acquire a more established infielder than Berroa or Ransom. A-rod will probably need some days off and if the injury gets worse we will need someone that can take over at third.

  105. vinny-b __trade for Hank Blalock__ March 5th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    DocBooch:

    thank you for the insight.

    do you believe Arod should opt for the surgery now. Or not?

  106. Dr. J March 5th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    G. Love – excellent point.

    If the fans on this board can see through Cashman’s smokescreen… a MLB GM certainly can.

    Why would A-Rod be looking for a 3rd baseman if A-Rod is fine? Especially a high-end one like Beltre, who isin’t going to sit on the bench.

    Cashman thinks he is smarter than he is. GMs know that if A-Rod is fine, he won’t be looking to trade prospects for a 3B.

  107. DocBooch March 5th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    Surgery would be to clean the tear and other loose bodies. It is not going to fix the condition.

  108. Ham Fighters March 5th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    im going to believe he’s out past the asb until i hear differently. if he needs surgery, he has to have the surgery and waiting only puts the pennant race and postseason in peril.

  109. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes March 5th, 2009 at 4:08 pm

    Teixiera will not be playing 3B people.

    Who comes up with this junk?

  110. YankeesLuv March 5th, 2009 at 4:08 pm

    This is scary news. I guess he’s going to need surgery at some point, hopefully he will be okay until the season is over.

  111. James (One of the Many) March 5th, 2009 at 4:08 pm

    I can see it now, plays well through august then opts for surgery so he can be 100% in 2010, the yankees of course breeze through the playoffs and win #27 while he’s watching on TV. Just seems like the A-rod type of way for it to play out…

  112. Betsy March 5th, 2009 at 4:08 pm

    WOW, 4 months? Whew…….

  113. burt( bring back charlie hayes) March 5th, 2009 at 4:08 pm

    Since the whole A-Rod scandal started last month ESPN is starting to piss me off more and more. The reported that the steroids he ogt over the counter, as a lie,, just because some Domincan official had to cover their butts, and say that. Hello, of course it was sold over the counter its a thrid world country, lets really not kid ourselves. But of course, ESPN makes it seem like A-ROD is liying again. Also, with their website today all over him having surgery when he’s not. Also, they have some stupid poll. Is their reporting that horrible, that they do not know the updated situation. Sorry, just had to vent about how much ESPN is getting on my nerves.

  114. Fran March 5th, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    If Alex has surgery now he probably misses most of the season. As long as playing won’t make the injury worse, why not try rest and rehab and see if they can get him through the season and wait until the off-season for surgery.

  115. Y26 March 5th, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    Trade Albaladejo, Shelly Duncan, and Igawa for Chad Tracey.

  116. BBB March 5th, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    I’m on board with the smokescreen idea, but I really don’t even think Cashman necessarily needs to even trade for someone. Just sign Mark Grudzielanek, he’s not going to kill you for 10 weeks. And maybe see in the spring if Nady can handle playing a few games at 3b here and there as a backup.

    I think it’s important not to panic, but at the same time, not go into the season with no insurance against Alex missing major time, either.

  117. Phil March 5th, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    Ham,

    make whatever assumptions you want. I hope they make you happy. I think he’ll be in the opening day line-up batting 4th.

  118. CountryClub March 5th, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    I still think he should get the surgery now. He’ll be back in July and it’s be like they traded for a big bat. Their pitching and other bats are good enough to get the job done in his absence.

  119. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes March 5th, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    Although I should say this: if he is out for most of 09, 2010 should be a breeze for A-Rod with consideration to the decrease in booing he’ll hear :)

    BTW, if he doesn’t play in 2009, does that mean he’ll have a big year in 2010 thus changing the every other year to even numbers? ;)

  120. Debbie March 5th, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    Boston Dave -
    As far as I know, there’s no real options to stimulate blood supply.

    It is realistic to think he can wait until November for surgery. The important thing for him is that he isn’t feeling pain. I played at a high level with the tear because I had minimal pain. When I finished my career the pain became unbearable and that’s when it got tricky.

    I do know that the surgery would keep him out for at least the 16 weeks they mentioned. 10 is not realistic.

    The other red flag that I see is “rehab.” I was told by my orthopeadic surgeon that rehab would not help as in a lot of cases, the stretches and movements in rehab actually further tears the labrum. The best “treatment” is rest as staying off it alleviates symptoms and doesn’t worsen it.

  121. Bob(The Original) March 5th, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    This isn’t going to end well.

  122. JoeyA March 5th, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    WOW, this makes perfect sense. Let’s let him partake in limited ST, which lasts for the next month, in hopes he can perform over the next 6-7 months.

    That makes absolutely no sense!

    Any limits to his ST will have no bearing by June, when he has played 6 out of 7 days a week, and sometimes more.

    And I don’t care what he has done in ST as far as his performance is concerned. He is barely giving 70% out there in ST. 100% over 6 months doesn’t bode well for a torn hip.

    The only way R&R is worth it is if it’s a mild tear. The hip bears ALOT of weight on it.

    Once again, he should have felt this long before now. This is WEIRD.

  123. Weather Man March 5th, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    James, absolutely. You can see that coming from a mile away. A-Rod gets surgery later in the year and we go on a great postseason run to #27.

  124. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes March 5th, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    NADY IS NOT A 3B!

    My god, once again, where do you come up with this stuff?

  125. elmer j. fudd March 5th, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    west and wewaxation is awl awex needs!

  126. 7 UP March 5th, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    Yeah… A-Rod is going to last 30 more exhibition games, 162 regular season games, and hopefully many postseason games while having a torn labrum.

    This is not going to end well.

  127. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    thank you Debbie.

    I’ll also very optimistically hope that because Alex is an elite athlete who trains year round, he may be able to recover quicker than the avg person :)

  128. joeman March 5th, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    Arod was going to be a issue all year anyways,this is the beginning of the end for him

  129. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    Isn’t it wonderful that idiots are actually ripping Cashman?

    If he says Alex needs surgery now, he’d get crucified for not creating a smokescreen.

    When he says they will try rest/rehab, he gets ripped.

    What would you morons have said if you were GM?

  130. Al from BK March 5th, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    I think with limited work in ST and extensive rehab this can be treated. Also A-Rod does not have to play 9 innings for 160+ games he can get taken out late for D and sit-out day game after a night game. This can be handled if handled carerfully. Utley had this same injury starting in May last year and he completed the season in great fashion(winning the series) this is not going to ruin our season.

  131. Tex's New Best Friend March 5th, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    Shelley ever play third base in the minors?

  132. Jay March 5th, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    We’re not making the playoffs or winning a championship without A-Rod anyway… so this is the only smart move.

    If we’re without him for 4 months, we will never survive in the AL East. We’ll lose many 3-2 games because Ransom, Gardner, and Molina can’t get hits.

    Without him we have no shot to make it, so might as well roll the dice.

  133. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    7 Up,

    no offense, but how do you know he can’t?

    I’m hearing more and more people that have played (albeit not MLB players) through this injury.

    I guess we need to wait for more detail before panicking.

  134. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes March 5th, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    JoeyA,

    I agree…he should sit out the rest of ST, no question. Maybe just lift light weights, stand in the batters box to get his eyes ready, play light catch, etc. and get taken care of by some hot nurse or Madonna dressed like a nurse even though she isn’t really as hot anymore as she once was.

    And I also agree wtih this just suddenly coming to fruition…something like this should have been revealed sooner. It smells of the American Idle Carl Pavano and his rib injury.

  135. Wilson March 5th, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    Why not play Melky at 3rd?

  136. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    post of the day:

    “Utley had this same injury starting in May last year and he completed the season in great fashion(winning the series) this is not going to ruin our season.”

  137. elmer j. fudd March 5th, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    personally i think it was no coincidence that boras went on espn at exactly the same time cashman went in front of the beat writers. cashmans message was that a decision had been made and boras clearly said that no decision had been made. add to that alex told his brother that he was having surgery and i say count him out through the asb.

  138. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes March 5th, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    Al, great points.

    He can rest more often in the season, especially with a guy like Nady on the bench.

    Put Damon in CF, Nady in left, DH Matsui, sit Gardner, and play Ransom at 3B on those days.

  139. yankeenate March 5th, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    “This is not good news, he’s not really a guy that can play full level at under 100%…….This is not good news at all”

    I agree…it seems like the better news was surgery and he’ll be fine in 10 weeks. At what point does it become Lowell’s injury.

    We might know more what the Yankees are thinking if they look to deal or sign for a back-up infielder.

    Hoping for the best…

  140. 4 x 4 March 5th, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    And what about Mike Lowell who looked like he was 80 years old and couldn’t even play in the playoffs?

  141. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes March 5th, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    Wilson,

    ha ha.

  142. Tarheel March 5th, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    Folks, I had this same injury (minus the cyst) when I was playing (minor league for the Marlins) 3 years ago. It causes a little pain, but you can definitely play with it. I never had any surgery done and am fine now. By this way, this is not why I don’t play anymore, I just wasn’t good enough.

  143. DocBooch March 5th, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    If a patient came to me complaining of some stiffness with no pain in the hip the last thing I would do would be to send him to an Orthopedist for a surgical consult. Of course, none of my patients are professional athletes and take the beating he puts his body through. Also, the recovery period for a surgery like that is easily 4 months. It would knock out his whole season. I think the best option would be to treat it with a change in program. He can opt for the surgery in the off-season.

  144. Michelle B. (X is the new black) March 5th, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    Ok – I actually have knowledge about mike lowell’s injury – i cant say how because i would be violating a lot of HIPAA laws. Mike Lowell’s hip was shredded – he actually had that hip injury since his jr yr in college. He put off the surgery because Dr.s told him to.

    Arod’s torn labrum will require surgery(eventually). They usually do about 10 – 12 days of non weight bearing right after surgery. Then 6 – 12 weeks of recovery depending on the physical nature of the person. I have had two pitchers recover from this one very quickly in the 6 week range, the other who was not quite the hard worker and was a baby about the pain took 14 weeks. I dont think this will be something that lingers and bothers arod. I do however think that this is a direct result of his hip injury from last yr.

  145. Insider March 5th, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    Since all the bad news are coming out today..

    Here’s one more (to be anounced officially tomorrow)…

    total Job loss FOR February: 2.9 MILLION
    national UNemployment rate now stands at 14.7%

  146. Debbie March 5th, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    Boston Dave –
    I love your optimism. I predict we’ll have a 75% A-Rod for the year… And 75% of him is good enough to win it all :)

    -Philadelphia Debbie

  147. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    of course Utley struggled :(

  148. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes March 5th, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    Breaking News: Cashman is stepping down as GM to play 3B for the Yankees.

    Alex Rodriguez will be the interim GM.

  149. JJ March 5th, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    The real question is why wasn’t this discovered in October and treated?

  150. G. Love March 5th, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    If I were the GM of the Yankees right now, I’d have him get the surgery and hope he comes back in August to save the season.

    In the meantime, I’d call up one of these pitiful teams crying about money and take a 3b making serious money off their hands for a middling prospect in a salary dump.

    I would not take a guy we have signed for 10 years and almost 300 million dollars and let him play 3b injured with the chance of making it worse and losing him for the entire season.

    Maybe Arod can gut through it. Who knows.

    If anything, this injury and his playing through is going to endear him to fans who were ready to stone him 24 hours ago.

    Maybe this is the image makeover he needs. Him playing through pain for an entire season?

    My problem with that is if he goes down during the season and is lost for the rest of the year, the team looks like idiots for not getting surgery now and having an actually healthy Arod in the equation for later in the season and beyond.

    I don’t believe in smoke screens. If Cashman calls any GM about a player who can play 3b right now, they are still going to ask for the moon.

    A good GM knows the other clubs weakness. If it’s dollars, he can swoop in and use the Yankees biggest strength (their checkbook) to get a player to get us through till August when Arod could return.

    That’s how I would handle it.

    Watching an MVP type player play through pain and have a roster that we can’t put him at DH because we need him to play 3b in the field is not my idea of good planning.

    Maybe Arod will gut through it…but “guts” and Arod haven’t seemed to go hand in hand in quite some time.

  151. X-Mann March 5th, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    I doubt the Blue Jays or O’s want to help us out by giving us Scott Rolen or Melvin Mora. Beltre is one of the better 3Bs in the league, he will cost a ton, ditto with Blalock. And none of the guys are going to come here to ride the pine, so A-Rod has to have the surgery before we can acquire them. We can’t get them ‘just incase’.

  152. JoeyA March 5th, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    When was the last time a GM didn’t want to tell the public it was a mild tear or not a full tear.

    The only reason you don’t reveal that info. is if it’s bad.

    So, I say again, how the @#$% didn’t he feel any of this????

    I was never one of the “sky is falling” people with A-Rod, but this guy is ruining this team. Yea, he puts up great numbers all year.

    Now, it’s getting to the point that he doesn’t tell the team of his issues, and now this happens. The guy doesn’t realize how his actions, or inactions in this case, affect this team.

    Now, we either:
    A. have to sure up our INF by signing a better bench INF, since A-Rod will obviously be taking more games off, and sitting out in late innings.

    B. sign a bigger name 3B to play the year, while Alex recovers.

    Either way, his terrible decision making is now past ruining his life, and is spilling over into the rest of the team.

  153. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    Debbie/DocHooch/Tarheel

    glad we have some informed opinions on this today.

    Perhaps Alex can take a game or two off a week (never playing more than 3 days in a row).

  154. CountryClub March 5th, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    The Yanks dont need Arod to win a title. He would obviously make it easier if he’s healthy. But if he’s going to be 50-70% they should just let him get the surgery. They spent all that money on pitching this offseason for a reason. They arent dependent on scoring 6 runs a game anymore.

  155. Uncle Ellsworth March 5th, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    Ok – I actually have knowledge about mike lowell’s injury – i cant say how because i would be violating a lot of HIPAA laws. Mike Lowell’s hip was shredded – he actually had that hip injury since his jr yr in college. He put off the surgery because Dr.s told him to.

    You just did

  156. Cliff March 5th, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    At work and have not had a chance to read through all of the comments but any thoughts on a trade for Beltre, he is in the last year of his contract and can split time at 3rd letting Arod DH more

  157. Laura - Just because I'm losing doesn't mean I'm lost! March 5th, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    “They’re hoping he can get through the season then have it. So this could be an issue all year. ”

    Yeah and they were hoping Posada could get through his injury last season too and we all know how that turned out.

    Let him have the surgery and come back for the late season surge. That’s when we’ll need him most.

  158. E-gawa March 5th, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    I think there really is a curse of Arod.

  159. Chris N March 5th, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    He was playing alright in the spring so far. It sounds like the real problem in terms of pain and stiffness is the cyst, which was supposedly big. As long as the tear itself isn’t too serious and the cyst either stays away or can periodically be drained, it seems like he can play through it. If the tear is worse, then he might not be able to play with it but then he’d probably be gone for the season anyway because the healing period would be longer anyway. It’s not just like you start the clock at ten weeks and they should start it now. Ability to play through the tear and the amount of recovery time if surgery is needed are both dependent on the severity of the tear. So its really a matter of how bad it actually is, something beyond everyone’s control.

  160. Laura - Just because I'm losing doesn't mean I'm lost! March 5th, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    “At work and have not had a chance to read through all of the comments but any thoughts on a trade for Beltre, he is in the last year of his contract and can split time at 3rd letting Arod DH more”

    And what do we do with Matsui, who is supposed to be our full time DH?

  161. Scott March 5th, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    Adrian Beltre would be perfect… he is in a contract year and is playing for a rebuilding team so he won’t cost much. He will be motivated to play (look at the numbers he put up in his last contract year) and will fit great in our lineup with his righty bat.

    Go get him

  162. NO HYPE March 5th, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    Thats not a serious injury at all… i wouldnt be worrying

  163. Debbie March 5th, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    JoeyA –

    I went years playing with this injury before going in and getting it checked out… When there’s no pain you just feel like your body’s banged up from playing. It’s kind of like if you walk up a stair and your ankle cracks. Does that mean you have a problem with your ankle? Chances are, no…

    That’s how I didn’t “feel” the tear. It doesn’t seem possible, but in reality when there is no pain present, like Girardi indicates, it is quite possible to not really know it’s there.

  164. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth,

    thank you.

    I know some guys for the Sox and they would tell me that Lowell was barely able to move… inching to his car after games.

    Alex is playing effectively in games right now. Will he last 185 games (incl playoffs)? Who knows?

    But the Lowell comparisons at this point are unwarranted.

  165. Vrsce March 5th, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    Rosan Rosanadana knew this was coming. If it is not one thing it is another. Bye bye to the Home Run record.

    Cashman was right to recommend against resigning this guy, what an albatross.

  166. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes March 5th, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    I know A-Rod is at the center of our offense, but you all are acting like he is the be all, end all for our offense.

    This is not the case. Our offense is solid without A-Rod IF everyone is healthy…a big IF, I understand because of Matsui and Posada.

    BUT, we retooled our rotation for this very reason. In years past we’ve had to rely on our hitters far more than we would have if our rotation was good from 1 through 5. This year it is one of the best in teh game. If a pitcher goes down, you have Hughes to fill in with.

    Don’t panic people, we’re still a solid club with or w/o A-Rod at 3B.

  167. West side March 5th, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    What would LAA want for Figgins? With his speed, he would be a great guy to have.

    They have a good bullpen, so we can’t dump our excess relievers on them.

  168. Cliff March 5th, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    Laura,

    Good question. I guess you have to consider who it would be more important to have in the lineup.

  169. Bob(The Original) March 5th, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    E-gawa
    March 5th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
    I think there really is a curse of Arod.

    ——————————

    I don’t know about a curse, but there sure is one black cloud following him around.

    He needs to get rid of that #13.

  170. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    Michelle B thank you (not uncle E)

  171. E-gawa March 5th, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    Losing Arod in the begining of year would be hellish considering Teixeira, Posada and Matsui are all well known slow starters. Arod is the only one that seems to hit from the start.

  172. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    lol Bob

    perhaps a new # for Alex isn’t such a bad idea :)

  173. Laura - Just because I'm losing doesn't mean I'm lost! March 5th, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    “The Yanks dont need Arod to win a title.”

    A typical A-Rod year is 35 HRs/100+ RBIs. A monster A-Rod year (which he probably would have had this year) is 50+ HRS/140+ RBIs. You don’t think we need that kind of production to win? Those kind of results don’t grow on trees. Unless Girardi can somehow get the guys to rely on small ball, we need Alex.

  174. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    Egawa,

    don’t forget Cano in the slow starters category.

  175. carl March 5th, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    A-Rods curse makes him and Jeter gidp in the playoffs.

  176. E-gawa March 5th, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    Yeah, I gotta agree with you Bob. That #13 doesn’t really help the situation.

  177. G. Love March 5th, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    Here’s my question?

    Which scenario gives an opposing GM more leverage over the Yankees?

    The Yankees have Arod have surgery now in the spring knowing he’ll be back later this season OR Arod doesn’t have surgery now and needs it during the season forcing the Yankees to find an in season replacement for the rest of the season?

    I think an opposing GM would have a lot more leverage in May, June, July if Arod is headed to the operating table than if the Yankees attempt to get a replacement in the spring when rosters are more flexible and the Yankees have the leverage of Arod is coming back later this year.

  178. Mike March 5th, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    All we really need him to do is get us to the playoffs…it won’t be hard replacing his playoff numbers lol.

  179. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes March 5th, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    Laura, it isn’t out of the question to put Matsui in LF, Damon in CF when A-Rod needs to DH. If he sits, Damon in CF, Nady in LF, Matsui still the DH.

    Things can shuffle. I know Damon is not much of a CF these days, but he can still at least play there a game or two a week if necessary.

  180. Danny March 5th, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    Why is Michael Kay talking to 2 hockey players back to back while this A-Rod story is going on?

  181. Rickey Henderson March 5th, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    Debbie – not to be a downer but you are not a professional athlete who has limitless resources to the best trainers in the country. ARod will be able to rehab this injury 9 hours a day, seven days a week. He doesn’t have the task of doing his rehab for one hour a day, 4 times a week like the rest of us working shlubs. Your 16 month rehab will not amount for a 16 month rehab for ARod, more like an 8 month rehab or something.

  182. Jason in Dallas March 5th, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    Isn’t there something that A-Rod can take that will help him heal a little bit faster?? Oh wait…..

  183. jack March 5th, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    I would get rid of Matusi so we can out A-Rod at DH and Scott Rolen for 3B

    A-Rod’s bat > Matsui’s bat

  184. JoeyA March 5th, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    What are the chances he guts out the season on the team, than, come September, we tell him to have the surgery?

  185. E-gawa March 5th, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    You’re right. Cano’s another one.

  186. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    lol Mike

    that’s the spirit

  187. joeman March 5th, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    I would also be worried about Mo…he says he THINKS he’ll be ready for April 6 …..the THINK word is a issue, he says in Tampa when the team goes north…this is looking like a bad year in the new ballpark

  188. Espresso March 5th, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    So there seem to be a lot of people advocating picking a 3B and having Arod DH more. The Yankees are also going to have Matsui DH. There is a good chance Posada will spend some time at DH to rest his shoulder. Damon needs time at DH so that his legs don’t wear out in the outfield. Does anyone else see the problem with this? That’s a lot of offense from one spot in the order.

  189. kd March 5th, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    I’m not trying to be pessimistic here, but I just got finishing reading cnn.com. The economy is going to get worse. It just is. A few teams out there are going to have some serious problems and unless Bud Selig uses some of his personal money to help out these teams, there’s going to be some trouble. Maybe 5 teams have trouble making payroll in June?

    Let’s see how Alex reacts to treatment, knowing this may be the most active trade season in some time.

  190. elmer j. fudd March 5th, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    beltre gets $12M this year.

  191. john March 5th, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    does anyone think the Yankees just want to keep a rod under wraps and this is a good excuse to get him out of the WBC and back under yankee control? just a theory.

  192. Grant P March 5th, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    i think one think we all should remember is that he played through it last year.

  193. CountryClub March 5th, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    Laura,

    I didnt say his numbers wouldnt be missed. But this team is not built to have to score 5 or 6 runs a game. They have a potentially great staff and a very good pen.

  194. Debbie March 5th, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    Rickey –
    you may be right.. but a Division 1 athlete on a full scholarship also has access to constant rehabbing, working out, and training at high levels as well. Certainly not NYYankees levels, but facts are facts.. And some things just take time to heal

  195. Eric March 5th, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    why doesn’t A-Rod contact Andy Pettitte’s father? He knows how to get people through injuries.

  196. Jason in VT March 5th, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    It’s too bad there isn’t something that he could take to speed up his recovery.

  197. Bob(The Original) March 5th, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    Another reminder of how important it is to have youth on your team.

    So much roster juggling is restricted by these one dimesnion geriatrics we have on the team.

  198. YankeeFan4eva March 5th, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    Got get Aaron Boone!!!!!LOL

  199. Arliss March 5th, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    Add the Arod injury being a total non issue, no big deal at all, to Pete’s long list of flubbed 2009 offseason declarations. He is now approaching John Flaherty BA territory.

  200. CathyPoo March 5th, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    Rickey – if you’re an athlete or not the rehab time is the same. Even the best resources won’t make healing faster. The only difference between Joe Schmo & Alex is that Alex doesn’t have to wait in line, he can fly private jet, he’ll get all the personal attention in the world. But he’s not healing any faster.

  201. Sean March 5th, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    I had a cyst just last month and let me tell you, it won’t really bother him. Mine was pilonidal which means it was near the bottom of my spine, so I felt it a lot when I sat down and walked, but his is on his hip and may only hurt when he cuts corners running the bases or making a defensive play, can’t see it affecting his offensive numbers. A torn hip labrum on the other hand sounds like something that could hurt him. Which hip is it? If it’s his right hip, his power will be greatly reduced as a right-hander uses his right hip to push off of. We need to know more

  202. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    I agree with CountryClub.

  203. JoeyA March 5th, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    Grant P-
    Exactly. Another year of wear and tear on an already torn hip labrum. I’d rather the thing was torn yesterday

  204. Ham Fighters March 5th, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    i think this team can withstand misssing arod till after the asb if thats what it takes to get him to 100%. this team has an awesome rotation and still has a better offense than the devil rays. defense is a challenge though, so a good fielding 3B helps alot.

  205. Bob(The Original) March 5th, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    CountryClub
    March 5th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
    Laura,

    I didnt say his numbers wouldnt be missed. But this team is not built to have to score 5 or 6 runs a game. They have a potentially great staff and a very good pen.

    ——————————–

    As does Boston and TB.

    It’s gonna be a dog fight this season.

    Every advantage you have is going to be huge.

    Losing A-Rod for any significant period of time is a very big deal, regardless of how some of you want to tell yourselves otherwise.

  206. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 4:38 pm

    CathyPoo,

    not necessarily. athletes who are in top shape year round (as Alex is) can heal faster than avg Joes.

    UFC fighters and boxers, for example, have conditioned their bodies to take much more of a beating than “normal” people. they also heal faster. the human body can adapt and that’s what happens there.

    I certainly can’t suggest that Alex will heal faster… but it is a real possibility.

  207. CathyPoo March 5th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    kd – I just saw the closing bell Dow number as well. I know the D’Backs laid off about 30 people in the fall. Some teams are really going to be hit hard, in ALL sports.

  208. Chris March 5th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    The best move is to just have him play through it and delay surgery until the seasons is over. He was gonna play through it anyway and it seems as though he had this problem last year and did fine stat wise. If this is gonna take 4 months after surgery then theres no possible way they can let him have the surgery.

  209. Betsy March 5th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    Sigh – I feel like I’ve lived a lifetime in less than 24 hours

  210. Bill from NJ March 5th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    Alex: Get HGH now. Take it regularly.

  211. CountryClub March 5th, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    Bob,

    I agree it makes things more challenging…but people have been acting all day like this injury ruins the Yanks season and that’s just not true.

  212. Laura - Just because I'm losing doesn't mean I'm lost! March 5th, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    “Laura, it isn’t out of the question to put Matsui in LF, Damon in CF when A-Rod needs to DH. If he sits, Damon in CF, Nady in LF, Matsui still the DH.

    Things can shuffle. I know Damon is not much of a CF these days, but he can still at least play there a game or two a week if necessary.”

    Judging from some of the posts Pete’s done, it really sounds to me like Girardi does not want Matsui to field AT ALL!! I don’t have a problem with Damon in CF once or twice a week, but that’s my limit. The guy has no arm.

  213. Al from BK March 5th, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    “does anyone think the Yankees just want to keep a rod under wraps and this is a good excuse to get him out of the WBC and back under yankee control? just a theory.”

    That could be part of it John. The Yankees really didn’t want him in the WBC. This might be a perfect timely exit for the Yanks and A-Rod.

  214. baseballfan March 5th, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    Very nervous up here in Boston. Without Arod, yankees chances have increased to win the world series.
    Unless it is not surgery and he comes back in May after the suspension is over.

  215. joeman March 5th, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    Mo sounds real sure he’ll be ready april 6,it was the THINK word that did it for me…..he’s going to stay in Tampa when the team comes north…

  216. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes March 5th, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    I wrote exactly what CountryClub wrote before CountryClub wrote it.

    Our TEAM’s success doesn’t hinge on the health of Alex Rodriguez. The moves we made this offseason to revamp our rotation is proof of this.

    The Yankees are much bigger than A-Rod. He is merely a piece or the puzzle, the most oddly shaped piece to boot.

  217. Bob(The Original) March 5th, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    CathyPoo
    March 5th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
    kd – I just saw the closing bell Dow number as well. I know the D’Backs laid off about 30 people in the fall. Some teams are really going to be hit hard, in ALL sports.

    ———————–

    I just hope the Yanks have a good season so I can listen to them on my transistor radio without getting depressed waiting in the bread lines.

  218. Joe Monte March 5th, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    Have the surgery now and have ARod ready for Aug & Sept. Lowell couldn’t make it in the postseason last year. Posada tried the rehab route and it didn’t work.

  219. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    I think the question we need to ask is:

    would you rather have Alex at 75% or trade prospects for someone like Adrian Beltre?

    From what I’m hearing, Alex can play through this and have surgery after the season but would risk top production.

    (of course if he only plays at 75%, ESPN will be able to say it’s because he’s off the juice and not because he valiantly played through an injury)

  220. JoeyA March 5th, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    This offseason looks like the DOW.

    Bill-
    HGH is most likely what got him into this ridiculous mess.

  221. Fran March 5th, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    Loosing ARod’s bat for an extended time would be huge. And if he is out Jorge Posada becomes even more important because if he can’t catch 4-5 times a week, you could have a line-up that features Molina, Ransom and Gardner at the bottom. Not very formidable.

  222. Laura - Just because I'm losing doesn't mean I'm lost! March 5th, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    Guys, we had trouble scoring runs last season when A-Rod was healthy. Now we are missing Abreu, Giambi and possibly A-Rod and you think this isn’t something we should be concerned about? Yes, having Tex will help, but he can’t make up that difference alone. Add in the question marks of Matsui and Posada and I say that we have legitimate reasons to be upset.

  223. ari March 5th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    Have the surgery in october he anyways can’t hit then

  224. joeman March 5th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    how huge would it be if Mo dosen’t start the season

  225. Sean March 5th, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    Umm.. being that they are opting against surgery, isn’t A-Rod going to be in the lineup on opening day?

    He’s had this injury for a while now, and it hasn’t stoped him from producing.

  226. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    The only place you could possibly think about having Matsui playing in left fields are in small parks like Boston and Baltimore.

  227. Bob(The Original) March 5th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Fran
    March 5th, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    Jorge Posada becomes even more important because if he can’t catch 4-5 times a week, you could have a line-up that features Molina, Ransom and Gardner at the bottom. Not very formidable.
    ——————————-

    Which is why it so ridiculous for so many people to say, “we can afford to carry Molina’s bat because of everyone else.”

    No you can’t. I’ve said it over and over, injuries will happen and then you have at least 3 below replacemnt level players in your daily lineup which is not the recipe for winning baseball, especially in the AL East. Regardles of what the pitching staff does.

  228. A-ROD: REDEFINING CHOKE March 5th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    4 months! Come on surgery!

  229. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes March 5th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Laura, Abreu was replaced with Teixiera, Giambi was at least marginally replaced by Swisher. We didn’t have Posada or Matsui last year due to injury, but they’re both back now.

    I understand being upset, but again, A-Rod isn’t the straw that stirs the drink despite what he might think.

  230. chambliss March 5th, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    Maybe the Astros would be willing to part with Aaron Boone.

    A-Rod is a great player, perhaps the best player in the game. But I am so tired of the A-Rod saga: the issues with Jeter (or lack thereof), the strip club trips, the postseason failures, the opt out, the Torre book, the steroid disaster and now the injured hip.

    The Yankees should encourage A-Rod to have the surgery and take the year off. The team is built around pitching now. They don’t need to score 900 runs to be successful. They should make a deal for a solid fielding third baseman with some pop. Joe Crede would have been nice, but he went to the Twins for short money.

    If it turns out that A-Rod and the Yankees have known about this hip problem for a long time, it will really put me over the edge.

  231. Ty March 5th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    Some of you ” we can’t win without Arod” people sound like pathetic twelve year olds. Arod and the silly groupies that arrived here in 2004 with him have taken the joy out of watching the team I loved for over thirty years. I for one hope he opts for surgery so that it can be proven once and for all that we didn’t need him before 2004 and we don’t now.

  232. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    “Regardles of what the pitching staff does.”

    Bob, I don’t think that’s correct. It has EVERYTHING to do with the pitching.

    The Rays lineup wasn’t outstanding on paper last year.

    Pitching wins.

  233. Bill from NJ March 5th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    good point sean

  234. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    john
    March 5th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
    does anyone think the Yankees just want to keep a rod under wraps and this is a good excuse to get him out of the WBC and back under yankee control? just a theory.

    ————————————————————

    Yeah, just like the theory that it was Col. Mustard on the “Grassy Noll” with a candlestick.

  235. joeman March 5th, 2009 at 4:50 pm

    they could win without Arod ( Jeter would really have to play a bigger rolebut they won’t win without Mo)

  236. matt March 5th, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    I think the Yanks should look into Bobby Crosby. I know his numbers are less then stellar but from what ive been reading in the bay area newpapers is that he was working all off season on hs swing with Big Mac and alot of his teammates feel he is going to have a big year. I can see this turning into a situation alot like Matsui and Posada where one week he plays then he has a set back and before you know it he is struggling and has to be shutdown halfway through. We should trade now so we are ready to replace him at any point in the season. Who are some candidates you guys like? I also keep hearing about Martin Prado, who sounds intriguing.

  237. JoeyA March 5th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    I agree, this team can win without A-Rod.

    BUT, you know what we can’t win with? A terrible, offensively deficient third baseman.

    We don’t need 40/120 from our 3B to win a championship, but you need something. Our options without A-Rod give us next to nothing.

  238. Ham Fighters March 5th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    i dont care what cashman said, i dont see them taking any chances with a guy they owe $270M to.
    if he needs surgery to be 100%, you do the surgery. half a year out is not going to kill this team if the pitching is as good as it looks.

    i just dont see alex in the opening day lineup.

  239. Boston Dave March 5th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    Chase Utley played with the injury for almost the entire season last year.

    His production was down, but he played regularly and throughout the playoffs.

  240. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    Ty
    March 5th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
    Some of you ” we can’t win without Arod” people sound like pathetic twelve year olds. Arod and the silly groupies that arrived here in 2004 with him have taken the joy out of watching the team I loved for over thirty years. I for one hope he opts for surgery so that it can be proven once and for all that we didn’t need him before 2004 and we don’t now.

    ————————————————————

    How did NYY do in the 3 years before 2004?

  241. keith March 5th, 2009 at 4:54 pm

    Mariano is FAR less valuable to the team than Arod is. You’re a fool if you think otherwise.

  242. Laura - Just because I'm losing doesn't mean I'm lost! March 5th, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    “How did NYY do in the 3 years before 2004?”

    GB, why drudge up painful memories? :P

  243. Al from BK March 5th, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    Mo will be ready. He only needs to get into 3 games and hes good to go. Lets not let this A-Rod situation turn the panic switch.

  244. Jill R March 5th, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    I am glad we’ll still have A-Rod for this season.

    I know he has his faults – but he’s like the family that drives you crazy – he’s still family.

    And from what I’ve read – its not pain so much as stiffness. And maybe that stiffness will go away with the cyst being drained?

  245. m March 5th, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    If surgery’s the only way to fix this problem, I say fix it now. No sense he suffer through the season and not be fully effective or full-time even.

    How big was the cyst? Must’ve been huge. What was causing the pain? The cyst or the torn labrum?

  246. chris March 5th, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    Insider
    March 5th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
    Since all the bad news are coming out today..

    Here’s one more (to be anounced officially tomorrow)…

    total Job loss FOR February: 2.9 MILLION
    national UNemployment rate now stands at 14.7%

    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

    I certainly hope this is not true.

  247. matt March 5th, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    I think its interesting that sooo many fans are almost “hoping” for lack of a better term that A-rod is out for 4 months. I think a large segment of “original” yankee fans feel A-rod has hi jacked the team and has turned into the “New York A-Rods”. Part of me looks forward to the possibility of an A-Rod Free season. Anyone else agree?

  248. Jay March 5th, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    We’re not making the playoffs without A-Rod and even if we get there, we’re not winning a championship without him. You don’t take a player like him out of a lineup and survive.

  249. JB (Blue Jays Fan) March 5th, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    John — if your theory is true, why are the Yankees letting Jeter play in the WBC? I would think the Yankees would want their stars in the WBC because it gets new fans for their brand outside of NY and outside of the US.

    I will be in the first row behind the home dugout for the entire series in Toronto.

    BTW — Pete you do an excellent job! I visit a bunch of MLB blogs and you were the first to get the real story (no surgery, yet).

  250. Doreen March 5th, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    What about this? ARod didn’t want to say too much of anything about this to the Yankees so they wouldn’t try to keep him out of the WBC. He wanted to play in it very badly. Probably badly enough to downplay any discomfort he may have been having. Perhaps the Yankees forced the issue? I think Kevin Long had talked about Alex having some stiffness in his hip – perhaps the Yankees took that opportunity to further investigate and this is what turned up.

    The Yankees can only go by what the player says. And players play through a lot. And teams accept that players play through a lot.

    I think the Yankees didn’t want Alex playing through this for the WBC.

    So don’t automatically assume it was the Yankees that dropped the ball on this.

    And I doubt Alex thought it was anywhere near as serious as it has turned out to be. Most of us tend to be hopefully optimistic with the little aches and pains and stiffnesses in our bodies. In fact, many people ignore the signs their bodies have been giving them that something’s not right for years.

    All speculative, of course, but hey, speculation seems to be the order of the day, and I’m not entirely immune. :)

  251. Ham Fighters March 5th, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    i was looking forward to arod leaving yankees camp, but not leaving the lineup in the RS.

  252. tampayank March 5th, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    chris March 5th, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    Insider
    “March 5th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
    Since all the bad news are coming out today..

    Here’s one more (to be anounced officially tomorrow)…

    total Job loss FOR February: 2.9 MILLION
    national UNemployment rate now stands at 14.7%

    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

    I certainly hope this is not true.”

    ouch it’s getting scary out there, makes you put things into perspective

  253. Espresso March 5th, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    I agree, potentially losing the best player in the game is a blessing in disguise. I can’t think of a single team that wouldn’t love to lose their 3B and clean up hitter. The Yankees can’t lose now!

    He’s just a “stat compiler”. No better than Hank Aaron, Ted Williams, Donny baseball and so on and so on. What a dumb concept.

  254. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    Laura – Just because I’m losing doesn’t mean I’m lost!
    March 5th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
    “How did NYY do in the 3 years before 2004?”

    GB, why drudge up painful memories?

    ————————————————————

    I know. One statement was about as stupid as the other, wasn’t it? People seem to forget who the big bat that moved NYY past Minnesota in 2004 and and carried the through 3 games against Boston when everybody quit hitting and pitching. Since then, he’s had some ugly post seasons, but, no worse than others.

  255. Garrett March 5th, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    Question, how long will they keep him out for rehab? few weeks, month or 2?

  256. Ham Fighters March 5th, 2009 at 5:04 pm

    ““How did NYY do in the 3 years before 2004?”

    GB, why drudge up painful memories?

    painful memories of 2 trips to the WS?

  257. Al from BK March 5th, 2009 at 5:05 pm

    Garrett- I think the idea is A-Rod will rehab and take it easy in ST and then break camp with the Yankees and get into some games possibly at DH first then back to 3B.

  258. Klemy March 5th, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    “And I doubt Alex thought it was anywhere near as serious as it has turned out to be.”

    Tell that to Carl Pavano!

  259. Trevor March 5th, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    Kay has completely lost his mind. He said they’re not a contending team without Arod. Is he freaking serious?

    I guess CC AJ Wang Pettitte Joba don’t count for nothing.

  260. kyle March 5th, 2009 at 5:07 pm

    Girardi said he knew about it last year…
    WHY DIDNT HE GET IT DONE DURING THE OFFSEASON???

  261. Ham Fighters March 5th, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    it would b funny if they brought back boone for an injured arod. it was aaron’s basketball game that made this all necessary in the first place.

  262. Jay March 5th, 2009 at 5:10 pm

    How stupid is this? A-Rod turns 34 this year — when most player’s abilities are beginning their decline. And he has nine years left on his contract at something like $27 million/year.

    Most idiotic of all, nobody else was willing to pay him $20 million per year for 10 years.

    Just more Yankee stupidity all but guaranteeing that they will continue to be doormats and dimwitted Goliaths to the Red Sox for the next nine years. Pathetic…

  263. S.A.-Time to take a vow of silence Alex. For your own sanity March 5th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    Kay is making it seem as though the season is over before it began. Let’s just see what happens.

  264. Ty March 5th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    GreenBeret,

    Those teams had two WS appearances and one ALDS. BTW, in 2004 Arod was not the hero of the ALCS, Matsui and Sheff were the straws that stirred the drink. You might wish to check the 2004 numbers before saying things in other threads about Alex’s teammates not helping out.

  265. Trevor March 5th, 2009 at 5:13 pm

    The the Tampa Bay Rays last year in a tough division got to the WS with a decent offense and at times weak. They won on defense and pitching.
    Kay is making it sound as if their the KC Royals.

  266. JJ March 5th, 2009 at 5:13 pm

    Can the people talking about the economy please STFU! I’m trying to read a baseball blog to take my mind off of these things. Take that talk someplace else!

  267. rodg12 March 5th, 2009 at 5:14 pm

    Trevor -
    Without ARod for a whole season, I don’t see much chance of the Yanks making the playoffs. It’s a fact. Too much lost production over the replacement. Especially when we’re carrying a minus in CF and one at C when Posada can’t catch.

  268. Jay March 5th, 2009 at 5:14 pm

    And it’s not A-Rod’s fault. There’s no player in any sport who wouldn’t accept the money if some stupid team was willing to dramatically overpay them and give them a contract for years long beyond when they were likely to be very productive.

    Apparently, the fault lies with Hank and Hal. Do you think they learned a lesson? I hope so, but I seriously doubt it.

    No matter. It’s not a total loss. It makes for good theater. And it makes the Red Sox and the rest of of the Yankee Hating Universe very, very happy.

  269. Bill from NJ March 5th, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    Remember when the Rangers were still paying Arod while he was on the Yankees? I could see the Yankees doing the same thing in 2 years with this guy.

  270. TurnTables March 5th, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    Kay is right— we can survive without A-Rod for 35 games. We can’t survive without him for 4 months.

    We play in the AL East where its going to come down to 1-2 games. I don’t think what Kay said was outrageous at all. Remember, Posada is still a huge question mark too.

    You take that power bat out of our lineup for 60% of the season, it is a HUGE hit when you are competing with the Rays and Sox.

  271. rodg12 March 5th, 2009 at 5:16 pm

    “They won on defense and pitching. ”

    Problem for us since we’re carrying defensive negatives at SS, 2B, and probably C when Posada catches. Potentially 3B as well, depending on the replacement.

  272. Garrett March 5th, 2009 at 5:16 pm

    Alfrombk, so if all goes well he could be back opening day or miss first few weeks of season?

  273. Yankee Trader March 5th, 2009 at 5:16 pm

    Hip labrum tears with synovial cyst formation can lead to early degenerative changes of the hip. My hope is that the Yankees have a decent insurance policy, that the cyst won’t come back, and that he doesn’t need surgery until after the season, where he’ll likely be non weight bearing for 3 months. Yes the Yankees can win without him. Can they win the division?

  274. Vrsce March 5th, 2009 at 5:17 pm

    ” If you can keep your head, when all about you are losing theirs, and blaming it on you”.

    That is Cashman’s role about now.

  275. yankeefan91 arod fan rootin for team D,R March 5th, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    damm this sucks anywayssssss hes injured and who noes it probably can get worseeeeee i rather him have the surgery nowww intead of him injuring himself when were at the point of making a playoff push

  276. Doreen March 5th, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    Let’s watch the season play out, okay?

    No, it’s not a good thing at all about Alex.

    But, I don’t know, anything can happen on any given day and usually does.

    And the Yankees have a pretty decent pitching staff.

    It is not only extremely premature to call the season, but it really devalues what the other 24 men on this team can do.

    If Alex is going to be out (and we don’t know that yet), it would seem to me to be more important to field someone at 3B who can field the position well. You don’t spent a gazillion dollars on pitching and let the defense suffer a major hit. As long as whoever they use is around average offensively, they’ll be okay.

  277. Joe March 5th, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    Yes, if Sabathia pitches like he did in Milwaukee, Pettitte has an ERA under 4, Burnett makes 34 starts, and Joba pitches like he did last year… I suppose we could still make the playoffs.

    Also have to have Cano and Swisher revert to their career norms, Gardner has to hit, you need to get some production out of 3B, Matsui and Posada have to stay healthy etc.

    Everything has to go perfect for us to make the playoffs without Alex. Atleast with his bat in the lineup, it allows us to have question marks because he is such a force.

  278. BD March 5th, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    Unlike many people here, I don’t have the ability to predict the future with perfect accuracy, so take this with a grain of salt.

    It’s worth keeping in mind that Alex is perfectly capable of playing baseball right now. He HAS been playing. This isn’t currently disabling in any way.

    Since he first started having these issues last year, it seems fair to say the condition is not rapidly deteriorating.

    Now that they know he has some kind of labrum tear, it should be possible to alter his routine so as not to unnecessarily aggravate the injury.

    There’s really no reason to panic about this.

  279. Laura - Just because I'm losing doesn't mean I'm lost! March 5th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    “painful memories of 2 trips to the WS?”

    Perhaps you’ve forgotten how they turned out. I don’t know about you, but I’ve got pain about those losses, especially 2003. Of course, 2004 was much worse, but I can’t talk about that because it may cause me to collapse to the floor, curl up into the fetal position and start wailing like a baby. I’m still at work so that wouldn’t really be a good scene.

    :)

  280. Wilson March 5th, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    Our team is built on station to station slugging.

    We have 0 speed outside of Gardner and Damon.

    Defense outside of 1st base and maybe right with Swisher is horrible.

    We can’t just suddenly play scrappy like the Rays and win with speed and defense. Our team is built on HR and OBP. And when you take our best hitter out of the lineup, it will hurt.

    Did people watch the team last year?

  281. Trevor March 5th, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    So let me get this straight the Yankees are not a contending team because they don’t have a 40 HR hitter? Isn’t that one of the reasons they won WS in the past. No MVP type in their lineup? And it’s not as if they have zero pop in the lineup.
    So I’m expected to believe with Sabathia Burnett Wang Pettitte Joba and a good pen they they are now the Pirates?
    I respect the Rays but who exactly is in their lineup? Even without Arod the Yankees still have a better lineup then the Rays. Atleast on paper they do.

  282. Alvin March 5th, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    “Some of you ” we can’t win without Arod” people sound like pathetic twelve year olds. Arod and the silly groupies that arrived here in 2004 with him have taken the joy out of watching the team I loved for over thirty years. I for one hope he opts for surgery so that it can be proven once and for all that we didn’t need him before 2004 and we don’t now.”

    Wow, just wow.

  283. E-gawa March 5th, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    Reality check for some people.

    CC will not pitch anything like he did in the NL. Don’t even look at those numbers. That’s the NL.

    He’s going to pitch like he did in the AL… Which requires some offense to win games.

  284. Cory March 5th, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    Tex played third base for a while and put swish at first if its only for a month whats the worst that can happen.

  285. Garrett March 5th, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    BD, Thank you! People are just speculating and blowing this way out of proportion. He has had a great spring so far with no problems. So lets just see how this plays out, let them rehab it and lets see if he can get through the season like Chase Utley did last season. No need to panic yet.

  286. NJ Yanks March 5th, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    So a team that could carry a bottom of the order that includes Nady-Ransom-Molina-Gardner (over 40% of the team) is going to make the playoffs in the AL East?

    Not a chance. Our season hinges on this decision. Cashman knows this and thats why he is delaying it. People shouldn’t try and downplay it.

  287. Sean March 5th, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    Will you guys stop talking about replacements.

    Did you not hear what you GM said? A-Rod is not having surgery and is going to play through it, like he did last season, and this spring.

  288. Clare March 5th, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    This just makes no sense at all:

    “Cashman said the Yankees knew Rodriguez had an “irregularity” in his hip when they gave him a magnetic resonance imaging exam after he hurt his quadriceps muscle last April.

    The Yankees did not perform another M.R.I. on Rodriguez until Saturday, after Rodriguez complained of stiffness during spring training.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03.....=1&hp

    So, the Yankees have admitted they knew of an irregularity in his hip in April, Kevin Long knew it was affecting his swing in July, and they don’t do another MRI until Saturday. And this is their official story?

    Just as a matter of common sense, wouldn’t you send him for another MRI after the season, if not in July, given the irregularity in April? Posada has MRIs at the end of every season to check for brain damage – it’s not like there’s any risk or even prohibitive expense in having the test.

  289. Laura - Just because I'm losing doesn't mean I'm lost! March 5th, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    “We can’t just suddenly play scrappy like the Rays and win with speed and defense. Our team is built on HR and OBP. And when you take our best hitter out of the lineup, it will hurt. Did people watch the team last year?”

    I think they’ve blocked it out. Too painful.

  290. Jeremy March 5th, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    I know we’ve bottomed out on anti-ARod stupidity when someone says he didn’t have a good 2004 postseason, or we should pretend it didn’t happen for some reason.

  291. Xeifrank March 5th, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    7-9 win loss if he’s out for the year and replaced with Ransom/Berroa. This injury could very well put the BoSox and Rays back in the drivers seat.
    vr, Xei

  292. Cano 24 March 5th, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    Sabathia had a 3.83 ERA in the AL last year.
    Wang’s ERA is always in the high 3′s
    Burnett’s “career year” had a 4.07 ERA
    Pettitte looked finish last year
    Joba… have you seen him in ST this year?

    Not to mention, AJ and Joba have legit injury concerns.

    This rotation is not as vaunted as people are making it out to be—- we need offense to win.

  293. Laura - Just because I'm losing doesn't mean I'm lost! March 5th, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    “Did you not hear what you GM said? A-Rod is not having surgery and is going to play through it, like he did last season, and this spring.”

    We understand that. The issue that troubles me is what if A-Rod ends up like Posada did last season? Mid way through, he can’t continue and then we lose him for the rest of the season. Could happen. Or maybe he makes it all 162 + playoffs (hopefully WS)? We just don’t know. Again, my concern makes sense to me. I’m not freaking out, but I am concerned.

  294. rodg12 March 5th, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    “So I’m expected to believe with Sabathia Burnett Wang Pettitte Joba and a good pen they they are now the Pirates? ”

    No, but they’re most likely not as good as the Rays or Sox though and that’s all that matters. As Joe so eloquently pointed out in his post….

    “Everything has to go perfect for us to make the playoffs without Alex. Atleast with his bat in the lineup, it allows us to have question marks because he is such a force.”

    Now, I’m not saying ARod is going to be out for the season by saying this. Let me get that straight. I personally think he can play through this and still be a force – like Utley was last season. However, if he does miss the whole season or a significant percentage of it (say 45%+), then we’re in a world of hurt save for the scenario Joe outlined and an above average replacement through trade.

  295. Garrett March 5th, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    Laura, that had to do with shoulder..much more serious

  296. 86w183 March 5th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    If he can put off surgery until November then that’s what he should do. It might force the Yankees to try and move Matsui in order to let Alex DH most of the time which would be far less demanding on his hip.

    Of course we really have no idea what they are going to get out of Matsui and Posada either.

    The Yanks have a month to evaluate the 3B trade market and decide which trade chips they are willing to include in a deal. IF they are looking for a replacement 3B I think Adrian Beltre might be the best available talent.

    The idea that this team is no longer a contender is absurd, but if Alex is going to be out most of the season or limited at 3B Cody Ransom cannot be the response.

  297. Tom March 5th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    We’re still a good team without A-Rod… just not as good as the Rays and Sox and not a playoff team in the AL East

    If we played in the AL West or NL… it will be a different story. Without A-Rod, we are screwed as far as the playoffs are concerned unless Tampa has a DEEP regression or one of the other teams has massive injuries too.

  298. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2009 at 5:35 pm

    Ty
    March 5th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
    GreenBeret,

    Those teams had two WS appearances and one ALDS. BTW, in 2004 Arod was not the hero of the ALCS, Matsui and Sheff were the straws that stirred the drink. You might wish to check the 2004 numbers before saying things in other threads about Alex’s teammates not helping out.

    ————————————————————

    Yeah, I can see how you are confused between Sheffield’s .222 and Rodriguez’ .421. The difference was a 4-6 game with 2 RS and 3 RBI in a 7-6 win in extra innings and the 2-4 in the 4th game, 11th inning double and steal of third, scoring the series winner on a WP. I also didn’t say he did it alone.

  299. JF March 5th, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    We didn’t trade for and sign Alex Rodriguez. We traded for and signed Ken Caminiti in Alex Rodriguez’s clothing. F.

  300. Ham Fighters March 5th, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    the mariners might want to get out of paying beltre $12M this year, but he is the heart of theier order and letting him go is basically deciding not to field a real team this year. they have ichiro, old man griffey, king felix and nobody else. i cant see them doing it, but id ask if its possible arod needs surgery.

    still, if they want to get out of the contract, id consider it and let arod have the surgery now, id consider it. beltre would have big value at the trade deadline.

  301. Lanie March 5th, 2009 at 7:28 pm

    Hey everyone…I just had surgery for a torn labrum in December…and I continued running until it got to painful..he WILL be able to play with this injury..but will need surgery…usually the labrum can get debrided or repaired…repairing takes 6 months to full activity as debridment takes around 4.

  302. tom March 6th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    I just had a labrum tear repaired last week which had not shown up on the mri. When the doc found the damage it took 3 hours to fix by reattaching the cartilage. I spent a year waiting for it to “get better”. It doesn’t get better.
    People are fools who think he will “play through it” – except maybe on one leg. Anyone remember Mike Lowell? Couldn’t run, bend to field, plant to throw or run. This is not a surgery to avoid. He should go TODAY to get it fixed and maybe be back after the all star break.

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