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Injury updates on Cano and Marte

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Mar 14, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This update from the Yankees:

Robinson Cano and Damaso Marte underwent initial physical examinations this evening at George M. Steinbrenner Field. Yankees Team Physician, Dr. Chris Ahmad, examined both players.

Marte’s initial evaluation indicates left shoulder inflammation. Cano’s initial evaluation indicates right shoulder tendinitis.

Both players will undergo MRI scans tomorrow in Tampa.

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Inflammation and tendinitis are words that teams use when they aren’t sure what is wrong — or they don’t want to say. We should know more tomorrow after the MRI results come back. It is worth noting that Marte now has a shoulder injury, not a strained chest muscle as was initially reported.

Cano played catch today and had an an-bat in the game against Houston. Marte was shut down. Neither injury appears serious. But that’s what everybody thought about A-Rod until he went out to Colorado.

UPDATE, 6:25 p.m.: In other WBC news, Dustin Pedroia has an oblique strain and was sent to Fort Myers to be checked out by Boston’s team doc. Think Brian Cashman and Theo Epstein have talked about how much they love the WBC?

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339 Responses to “Injury updates on Cano and Marte”

  1. bru March 14th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

    the yankees should of not allowed any player to play the wbc.or at least the pitchers.

  2. m March 14th, 2009 at 6:15 pm

    I don’t want to minimize Marte’s importance, but I’m more worried about Cano’s status than anything.

    Is tendinitis in a position player unusual?

    And I’m not liking the inconsistent reports of the location of injury. Doesn’t sound like something you get with weight lifting.

    I guess Marte’s parents never told him that you can’t fool people.

  3. Nick in SF March 14th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    Because no one ever gets injured in Spring Training games?

  4. jennifer March 14th, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    I believe it was said that Cano ph today. If so why?

  5. jennifer March 14th, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    UGH NICK!!

    There is a difference between playing in spring training games, that don’t mean anything and you are just trying to get ready for the season. Than playing in a game that means the world to your country.

  6. Nick in SF March 14th, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    Is there a statistically higher rate of injury to players in the WBC than there has been in ST games?

  7. teddy March 14th, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    dusti pedroia has a strained oblique

  8. 2009 -- The Lost Season March 14th, 2009 at 6:25 pm

    I hope none of these are season-ending injuries …. but, since they occurred to Yankee players, I have a feeling they both are.

  9. Patrick S March 14th, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    Time to get rid of the WBC, NOW!

    End the contest today and send the players back to their MLB teams. This is ridiculous

  10. pat March 14th, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    m

    Tendinitis in any athlete is not all that unusual. Depending on whether it needs to be treated with Tylenol or surgery is what makes it more or less usual.

  11. Cal March 14th, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    Seriously they Yankees need to stop sending their players to this Chris Ahmad guy, the moment he is mentioned with a Yankees player no good seems to come of it. Its like seeing the grim reaper.

  12. Teixeiramvp March 14th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    Pedroia injured is, although I hate to say it even though we’re all thinking it, a blessing for the Yanks. I’m not as worried about Cano because he batted and didn’t seem worried, but Marte could be injured. Despite his awful performance today, Melancon’s still my guy. The door is open for him now!

  13. pat March 14th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    John Rodriguez got hurt today. Bet he wishes he was playing in the WBC and not facing the Pirates. :wink:

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=nyy

  14. Cal March 14th, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    B.T.W. is something so special going on that Cano and Marte couldn’t have the MRI done today. Only god knows what these two fools were doing in Puerto Rico. Wouldn’t shock me if this isn’t all baseball related with Marte, as for Cano he knew this was going on since Spring and just went about with his infatuation for playing for the Dominican Republic.

    The most disgusting aspect is had the Dominican Republic advanced these two guys would have still been playing, now they come back whining to the Yankees.

  15. teddy March 14th, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    come on, nobody wants to see anymore hpurt or most people

  16. Fran March 14th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    Nick, of course Cano or Marte could have gotten hurt with the Yanks, but I think it is the fact that they were both “aching” before they left and never told the Yankees (who probably would not have let them go)

  17. pat March 14th, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    “Seriously they Yankees need to stop sending their players to this Chris Ahmad guy, the moment he is mentioned with a Yankees player no good seems to come of it. Its like seeing the grim reaper.”

    Yup, the last thing the Yankees need is a team doctor who really finds out what’s wrong instead of one who rubs some dirt on it and send guys back in. :roll:

  18. Cal March 14th, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    Not to mention the Marte shows back up talking about he was lifting weights before the game and felt something, the clown might have been joking around and goofing off when something happened.

    If he knew he tweaked something from lifting weights why was he out their later that day pitching for the Dominican Republic fully well knowing this. His story sounds like a bunch of crock to me.

  19. Teixeiramvp March 14th, 2009 at 6:39 pm

    Cal,
    They did get the MRRI today, but they get the results tomorrow.

  20. Teixeiramvp March 14th, 2009 at 6:40 pm

    I really, really hope Cano’s all right, because if he isn’t, with A-Rod out too we’re screwed.

  21. Nick in SF March 14th, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    If Cano and Marte were both hurting before they even went to the WBC, that makes the argument that the WBC causes more Yankee injuries even weaker.

    I guess the argument is that they would have been more forthcoming about their injuries absent their desire to play for the DR, but that’s a better argument to have more honest players than it is to forbid Yankees from participating in the WBC.

  22. pat March 14th, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    MRI done on Lugo too and Francona thinks he may have a torn meniscus in his knee. Yanks/Sox are even competitive when it comes to the number of infield injuries!

    http://community.nesn.com/blog.....29705.aspx

  23. Cal March 14th, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    Why is this all beginning to sound like last season all over again, that was a nightmare with guys dropping like flies and it now seems to be continuing.

    Why wouldn’t i be surprised if Cano and Marte have some serious issues with them. Funny since they seemed to be playing perfectly fine for the Dominican Republic and didn’t have anything to say before then, soon as they came back to camp, they’re feeling everything under the freaking sun.

  24. 2009 -- The Lost Season March 14th, 2009 at 6:47 pm

    Can we get a state of health report on Jeter, Pete? Is he injured, too?

  25. jennifer March 14th, 2009 at 6:47 pm

    I am watching the final inning from todays game. Someone needs to tell Jason Johnson to change his number. It isn’t good luck. First he gets a ball off the ankle, than he has a comebacker up the middle. GET RID OF PAVANO’s number.

  26. Peter Abraham March 14th, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    Ahmad flew to Florida today to check the guys out and saw them around 4:30. There is not a 24-hour MRI store in Tampa. They’ll get the scan tomorrow morning in Tampa.

    They did not get the MRIs today. Why do people post comments making up information? Read what I post.

    Meanwhile, Ahmad is a top sports doc and the guy they hired to replace Stuart Hershon. He’s not some quack.

  27. m March 14th, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    Ohhh. Guess Lowrie gets the job.

    Cano’s going to be fine, but let’s play ‘what if?’

    I know we’re screwed, but who would take his spot to minimize the blow?

  28. Dassit March 14th, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    Don’t blame the WBC, blame the dumb players for playing through injuries.

  29. Teixeiramvp March 14th, 2009 at 6:50 pm

    Lost Season-The season isn’t lost quite yet. Cano has to be injured first. Again, I’ll say what everyone’s thinking but nobody wants to meet: Good thing Pedroia and Lugo may be hurt too.

  30. Patrick S March 14th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    Mark Grudzelanik or Ray Durham

  31. Cal March 14th, 2009 at 6:52 pm

    “Can we get a state of health report on Jeter, Pete? Is he injured, too?”

    We might want to hold our breath and say a prayer for Derek because he is probably next, the way things are going.

    I know people say oh this could have happened in Spring Training too, well that is true, but better it be so with team personnel such as trainers and doctors right there with the player to evaluate him and oversee him as opposed to being in some foreign country with people who only have their short term interests in mind. Do you think the Dominican Republic cared about the importance of Marte and Cano to the Yankees.

  32. Nick in SF March 14th, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    “There is not a 24-hour MRI store in Tampa.”

    I thought SJ44 said that Bern’s Steakhouse has a seperate MRI room. I must be mistaken.

  33. Joe from Long Island March 14th, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    This blog is amazing, with the updates. Thanks, Pete.

    Let’s hope the injuries are not serious. Meanwhile, it looks like the Sox also have problems, re:Pedroia and Lugo. If nothing else, that might decrease the amount of hysteria tonight.

  34. Cal March 14th, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    “He’s not some quack.”

    Sure about that Pete

  35. Cal March 14th, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    “Mark Grudzelanik or Ray Durham”

    All of a sudden I feel nauseous hearing that.

  36. Teixeiramvp March 14th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    Peter-Don’t insult me, You’re right that I didn’t read the top half of the post. But the bottom half said they get the MRI RESULTS tomorrow. Sorry for not being thorough (not sarcasm) but that is the part I read. “Results tomorrow” makes it sound like they had the tests today, doesn’t it? Shouldn’t you have written TESTS tomorrow?
    I’m not trying to sound mad or arrogant, but you’re right that I didn’t read the full post. Sorry, but I was in a bad mood because of the injury news and started commenting immediately.

  37. EricVA March 14th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    Is there any real reason behind the numerous posts the last few days about the Domincans, especially Cano and Marte, being lazy and party animals? I think I’ve read at least 5-10 posts just like:

    “Only god knows what these two fools were doing in Puerto Rico. Wouldn’t shock me if this isn’t all baseball related with Marte…”

  38. Teixeiramvp March 14th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    Sorry for sounding mad, Peter, and please don’t attack me for this, but I got what I thought was the most important news and commented.

  39. GBOOF March 14th, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    “Good thing Pedroia and Lugo may be hurt too.”
    Im sorry but as a real baseball fan i never want to see talented players get hurt no matter who they are of what team they play for.
    the talented part refers to pedroia more than to lugo lol

  40. Joe from Long Island March 14th, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    Nick – They seem to have everything else (lol)!

  41. RhapsodyInBlue March 14th, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    Calling Mark Grudzielanek.

    Wonder if the Yankees will wait for further news on Cano and let Grudzielanek slip away to Boston. He’s a second baseman but has played over 600 games at SS.

    He’s unsigned and a .290 hitter, his lowest average since 2003 is .294.

  42. Teixeiramvp March 14th, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    Seriously, Cano REALLY better be all right or we’re in trouble.

  43. Teixeiramvp March 14th, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    RhapsodyInBlue-Since when have the Yanks let players lip away to Boston (Mark Texeira, anybody)? Yankees will get who they could to fill the holes they need to fill.

  44. G. Love March 14th, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    Personally, I think Cano needed the shoulder injury to explain his ice cold start to the season yet again. Nothing like a crutch to prop yourself up on.

    I think it’s reprehensible for him and Marte to have come limping into camp a few days after elimination with the first word of these injuries.

    Whoever said it was right…if the DR didn’t get eliminated, both of these clowns would still be playing and not informing the team that pays them millions of dollars per year that they had health issues.

    The Marte story sound even more suspect. Was he lifting weights or was the “lifting weights” some kind of made up excuse for him hiding his injury from the team.

    If I were Cashman I would be pissed. Not at the WBC, but the players I paid highly to be stand up guys.

    At least Pedroia called his team when he got nicked up.

  45. CaptainsCorner March 14th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    The Pavano MRI place is not 24 hrs? Maybe they should call him I am sure he knows of a place to go.

    During the last WBC Damon had the same thing that Cano (probably) has now. It is from throwing too much too soon. He was able to hit but it only hurt when he threw. After not throwing for a couple of days it went away. Marte is an idiot. He felt something before the game and still threw in the game!!??!! Does that make sense. So what would of happened if the Dominican team went to the finals? Marte and Cano would of played with their “injuries” for another 2 weeks? The Yanks have to be pissed that they didnt know anything about either one of them. Cano also said that he was checked out by the Dominican team doctor. You would think that the team would of told the Yanks about it. What a joke…

  46. RhapsodyInBlue March 14th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    I think deep down inside Cano wants to play for someone else, this guy is beyond stupid.

  47. GBOOF March 14th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    i love when theres a poster on here who does everything they can to get response and to no avail just keeps trying lol
    its comical cough texieramvp cough
    maybe if you said something interesting someone would talk to you, not “Seriously, Cano REALLY better be all right or we’re in trouble.” or “I really, really hope Cano’s all right, because if he isn’t, with A-Rod out too we’re screwed.”
    im pretty sure you could come up with something better than that dude.

  48. Teixeiramvp March 14th, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    GBOOF-Since when did I ask people to respond? I’m happy watching the other people debate. I just stuck my two cents in here and there. Repitive? Sure, but I really don’t want to join in this debate. Believe me, I’ve been very-er-interesting in the past (some very nasty debates!).

  49. RhapsodyInBlue March 14th, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    Teixeiramvp

    If Cano is injured no doubt the Yankees will need to replace him. However, Mark Grudzielanek costs only money it makes sense doesn’t it.

    Please don’t lecture me about the recent well stocked Yankee bench. Phelps and Betemit?

  50. Cal March 14th, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    “Personally, I think Cano needed the shoulder injury to explain his ice cold start to the season yet again. Nothing like a crutch to prop yourself up on.
    I think it’s reprehensible for him and Marte to have come limping into camp a few days after elimination with the first word of these injuries.
    Whoever said it was right…if the DR didn’t get eliminated, both of these clowns would still be playing and not informing the team that pays them millions of dollars per year that they had health issues.
    The Marte story sound even more suspect. Was he lifting weights or was the “lifting weights” some kind of made up excuse for him hiding his injury from the team.
    If I were Cashman I would be pissed. Not at the WBC, but the players I paid highly to be stand up guys.
    At least Pedroia called his team when he got nicked up.”

    This is what irks me these guys were eliminated after playing mind you with these issues and possibly making a bad situation worse, then a few days later they show up in camp and then inform the Yankees about this rather conveniently, oh I have this pectoral pain, oh I have a pain in my shoulder since Spring began. They can’t play for the Yankees but they sure could play for the Dominican Republic.

    Sounded to me like both of these guys were selfish and put the Dominican Republican ahead of the Yankees who have rewarded both of them with brand new contracts, talk about a kick in the gonads. Nice to know where guys priorities lie. Its one thing to represent your country it’s another thing to be foolish in your actions.

  51. 2009 -- The Lost Season March 14th, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    Being a $1.57 billion enterprise, why don’t they have a 24-hour MRI machine (which costs $3.26 million)?

    They should have bought one when Carl Pavano was still with the team.

  52. DT March 14th, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    I don’t blame the Yankees (and fans) for being upset.

    The Yankees pay these players crazy salaries and view them as assets.

    If your kids go over and play on the neighbors swing set and come back home hurt, you blame the neighbors. Were they being supervised? Were they taken care of properly after being hurt? Damn that rusty old swing set.

    When your kid gets hurt at home, you usually don’t blame yourself. Accidents happen. Get out the iodine and band aids.

    It’s a natural reaction.

  53. EricVA March 14th, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    Really? So none of you ever were at the gym, tweaked something, then went off to do something else only to wake up the next day sore? Geez, lay off the hatred of Cano and Marte. They played some ball, had some soreness and then they get it checked out. It’s like Jeter would say, “If this were the regular season, I’d be in there.”

  54. Teixeiramvp March 14th, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    DT-My parents would blame me, not the neighbors :-).

  55. RhapsodyInBlue March 14th, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    Excuse me I forgot about Berrora.

  56. GBOOF March 14th, 2009 at 7:10 pm

    ehh i wasnt really applying that to you personally (sorry if it came off that way i just noticed you had written a couple of pretty useless posts in a row, and i think if youre going to take the time to type out a public opinion it should be more than the most obvious things you could honestly say example: the cano line about it hurting us being out especially with arod out too, obviously its going to hurt us, he is our starting second baseman and we are all banking on a big year from him

  57. Bob Mac March 14th, 2009 at 7:10 pm

    I think Grudzelanik would be a help even if everyone was healthy. The winning teams in the 90s always had a good bench. Injuries always happen. He is solid and could be a nice means to encourage Cano.

  58. dann March 14th, 2009 at 7:11 pm

    I bought an MRI machine at a yard sale a couple years ago… only cost me $30 bucks

  59. m March 14th, 2009 at 7:11 pm

    DT,

    See you get it. I tried to use an example yesterday. But Brandon shut me down. :(

  60. Teixeiramvp March 14th, 2009 at 7:11 pm

    RhpasodyInBlue-Not lecturing you, agreeing with you. I actually think Grudz (can’t spell it) is a good choice. My point is that the Yankees will the best they can with who they have-unless they get a deal. Grudz sounds like a decent choice, although Ransom is playing good defense.

  61. Teixeiramvp March 14th, 2009 at 7:13 pm

    GBOOF-No worries.

  62. Cal March 14th, 2009 at 7:13 pm

    “Really? So none of you ever were at the gym, tweaked something, then went off to do something else only to wake up the next day sore? Geez, lay off the hatred of Cano and Marte. They played some ball, had some soreness and then they get it checked out. It’s like Jeter would say, “If this were the regular season, I’d be in there.”

    The issue is they knew that they were not fully healthy and still went ahead and continued to play with their issues, all the while the Yankees knew nothing about it, but if they are hurt it is the Yankees who will still have to fulfill their contracts as if nothing ever happened, even after they played and possibly made a bad situation worse.

    What is even dumber is that after the Arod situation you would think these guys would have learned but they obviously didn’t care enough what the Yankees would think to consider the Yankees a priority over the Dominican Republic and this tournament.

  63. R-Tek March 14th, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    Yankees encore is on FYI

  64. DT March 14th, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    m –

    you sure it wasn’t a “classic” example?

    Brandon is a little touchy on “classic” this weekend. :-)

  65. RhapsodyInBlue March 14th, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    Teixeiramvp

    Yes with Alex out Ransom is playing good defense however now we could have a problem at second too.

    Grudzielanek can hit, Ransom is a question mark.

  66. Teixeiramvp March 14th, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    Yeah, I’m kind of pi$$ed at Cano and Marte, expecially Cano. A major, major piece of our offense gets injured, so after we learn he’s out for three weeks you wait for the DR to get eliminated before casually mentioning shoulder pain?
    Cano should have realized that he became in the absence of A-Rod one of the most important players on the team (he was pretty important even with A-Rod!).

  67. CaptainsCorner March 14th, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    Grudz would be a good back up infielder. Since Ransom is going to be playing 3rd base for the 1st 6 weeks and if Arod needs days off. They are going to need a back up infielder. Berroa is not the answer. He can hit but he can not field at all!! I wonder who they plan on using as the back up considering they don’t have anyone in camp that can fill in that position for offense and defense.

  68. GrouchoNYY March 14th, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    Do you think that Cano would have been allowed to get into the game today if it was believed that his injury was serious? I doubt it. The Yankees are always very careful, to a fault. This was a good sign. Whether Cano’s head is up his ass is not a medical condition easily checked with an MRI.

  69. m March 14th, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    Ransom can’t play 2B & 3B simultaneously.

    Is there a USA game on tonight?

  70. Kevlar March 14th, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    Was today’s ST game an all-time classic?

  71. Teixeiramvp March 14th, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    RhapsodyInBlue-You’re right. We could use Grudz. Still, I want to see how Ransom does before we replace third base too.

  72. G. Love March 14th, 2009 at 7:20 pm

    EricVA,

    There’s a difference between going to the gym and waking up sore the next morning and needing an MRI.

    These guys stopped playing days ago and are still experiencing pain.

    If it were standard soreness, they’d rest them a day and be done with it.

  73. Teixeiramvp March 14th, 2009 at 7:21 pm

    G. Love-Agreed.

  74. pat March 14th, 2009 at 7:21 pm

    TeixeiraMVP

    Are we related? My parents would have blamed me too!

    Personal responsibility is a lost art these days. :smile:

  75. m March 14th, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    DT,

    Uh. Yeah. I didn’t want to jump into that one.

    I said it’s a different story if you run over your dog or the neighbor runs over your dog.

    He said that the dog would’ve gotten run over in the middle of the street anyway.

    The only thing is I never said the dog was in the middle of the street. :)

  76. Teixeiramvp March 14th, 2009 at 7:23 pm

    pat-Hahaha, lol :-).

  77. pat March 14th, 2009 at 7:23 pm

    m

    MLB Network at 8pm.

  78. Kevlar March 14th, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    You can’t blame the WBC teams… this is the risk you sign up for when you allow a player to play in it.

    It is a competition. You have to play hurt and do things you would normally do during a postseason game.

    Marte/Cano are to blame for trying to play through the injury and not disclosing it until after the fact.

  79. Teixeiramvp March 14th, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    pat,
    Are you Italian? It may be an Italian thing, that perosnal responsibility stuff.

  80. m March 14th, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    Speaking of shoulders, I’ve never seen more beautiful ones than those of Dwight Howard. :)

    The phone booth and the jersey from the dunk contest are going to be auctioned off.

  81. GreenBeret7 March 14th, 2009 at 7:36 pm

    G. Love
    March 14th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
    Personally, I think Cano needed the shoulder injury to explain his ice cold start to the season yet again. Nothing like a crutch to prop yourself up on.

    I think it’s reprehensible for him and Marte to have come limping into camp a few days after elimination with the first word of these injuries.

    ————————————————————

    I realize that you prefer to sound ignorant of the facts, rather than checking them out but, Cano was 5-10 with the Yanks and 3-13 with the DC (that’s .348). He’s hardly “ice cold”. Last year was his first “cold start”. You and Cal can return to posting your normal BS, now.

  82. m March 14th, 2009 at 7:36 pm

    pat,

    Thanks for that.

  83. Yanksrule57 March 14th, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    Went to the game in Tampa today and got to say hi to Pete in the press box. Pete is as nice in person as he seems on the blog.

    AJ Burnette was dominant today. It was the first time I have seen him pitch live and it was impressive. If he stays healthy he will be worth every dime they are paying.

  84. pat March 14th, 2009 at 7:43 pm

    TexMVP

    Italian mom who was a firm believer in you got what you deserved. The nuns were never wrong, anything an adult said to do was not to be questioned and as the only girl with 3 older brothers, if I wanted to play sports with the boys bumps, bruises and injuries were to be expected and not cried about.

    It took me years to figure out how my brother breaking my ankle by hooking a hockey stick in my skates was my choice but it was a lesson that served me well as an adult. :wink:

  85. m March 14th, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    Yanksrule,

    Pete’s not very nice on the blog. Just kidding, Pete!

    Thanks for the eyewitness report on AJ. If he could repeat the performance about 25 times this year, that would be great. :)

  86. DT March 14th, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    m
    March 14th, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    “I said it’s a different story if you run over your dog or the neighbor runs over your dog.”

    that is a classic example. Not quite epic, but classic.

    I think we should say to be fair to those reading –
    no dogs were actually harmed in this blog example.

  87. Buddy Biancalana March 14th, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    It took me years to figure out how my brother breaking my ankle by hooking a hockey stick in my skates was my choice but it was a lesson that served me well as an adult.

    —————————————————————

    Wow, that’s nuts.

  88. m March 14th, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    DT,

    That’s right. I don’t even have a dog. hmmm…

  89. pat March 14th, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    Buddy

    Harsh but not nuts. He didn’t do it on purpose but we were taught that every choice you make has consequences. I chose to play with the boys who were 10 years older and had to live 4 weeks in a cast because of that choice.

  90. Doe March 14th, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    Nice too see Arod honor a responsibility to a contract and report his injury instead of playing for the WBC while possibly hurt.

    Class act that Arod. Cant wait to see the back page of the post praise him.

  91. Nick in SF March 14th, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    Why are you letting your neighbor take the dog to McDonalds in the first place?

  92. pat March 14th, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    “I don’t even have a dog.”

    What happened to it? :wink:

  93. DT March 14th, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    “Why are you letting your neighbor take the dog to McDonalds in the first place?”

    C.P.O. Sharkey – that’s easy.

    As a reward for eating my homework.

  94. Teixeiramvp March 14th, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    pat-Amazing that I just knew you were Italian. :-)

  95. Teixeiramvp March 14th, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    pat-We think alike.

  96. GreenBeret7 March 14th, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    The guy that people need to watch playing in Trenton this coming year is Tim Battle. Amazing speed and hopefully his power will return. He was drafted as a 5 tool player, but his career was derailed after his first year with bone cancer and they had to remove a cancerous rib.

    Plays a great center field and has a better arm than Cabrera. His issue was always striking out, but, cutting through the chest muscles have really hurt his offense.

    He’s a really nice kid and friendly with the kids. He’s been around since being drafted in 2003, and it’s been a long climb back, but, he won’t quit. On a side note, George steinbrenner has covered all of his medical and rehab costs and really likes this kid. Through all of this, he’s still only 23 years old.

  97. Teixeiramvp March 14th, 2009 at 8:08 pm

    Although I was a middle child, a boy with a bro and a sis.

  98. Betsy March 14th, 2009 at 8:08 pm

    I knew it wasn’t going to be good news. I despise Cano and Marte right now – I don’t blame this on the WBC, I blame it on THEM. Let them quit and play for the DR softball team if that means so much to them – now the Yankees are in a TERRIBLE position.

  99. BBB March 14th, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    So, am I correct in assuming we wont know the degree of seriousness of Cano’s tendinitis until the MRI tomorrow? Can anyone with real knowledge of such things give us the best, worst and likeliest scenario?

    I dont even want to think about how culpable the WBC is or isnt for this until I know how bad it is! But if he is seriously sidelined for a while, man, talk about bad luck. The infield is the one area the team doesn’t have depth, and of course thats the area thats getting hit with injuries. Let’s just hope for the best…

  100. Teixeiramvp March 14th, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    Betsy-We’re not in a terrible position unless Cano’s really hurt. I understand the pessimism and anger, I will not worry until I hear concrete bad news.

  101. BBB March 14th, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    BTW, if there are any other Devils fans here, the Devils are up 2-1 on Montreal. Brodeur going for the tie in all time wins!!!

  102. Nick in SF March 14th, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    The worst case for Cano is that they have to amputate where the problem lies: at the neck.

  103. DT March 14th, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    We just need to keep Marte and Cano away from Colorado.

    I wonder if Dr. Ahmad is using his frequent flyer miles wisely?

  104. Joe from Long Island March 14th, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    GB7 – Thanks for the insight on Tim Battle. I will try to keep up with him this year.

    George is something. I remember vividly all the things he did to infuriate me, as a fan (ex, Dave Winfield episode), and then he comes along and does something like this, or the Virginia Tech thing. He is definitely something else.

  105. Betsy March 14th, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    Nick, the WBC vs. ST is not the point, at least not MY point. Cano is a bum for not telling the Yankees that he was hurt BEFORE he left for the WBC…..Marte is a bum because he got hurt lifting weights (which puzzled Joe – makes me think that Marte doesn’t do that often) and then decided it was ok to pitch the next day. I hope Cano gets healthy, has a good year and then the Yankees dump his sorry behind. Same with Marte. Maybe I sound dramatic, but this could kill the Yankee season, especially Cano’s injury.

  106. Lavar March 14th, 2009 at 8:17 pm

    If they’re hurt seriously, then I’ll blame them

    If they are not hurt seriously, then I’ll pass it off as a youth mistake.

  107. HOF March 14th, 2009 at 8:19 pm

    I agree. Time to dump Cano and Marte

    Sign Joe Biemel who is a FA and Grudzelanik who is a FA to make up for the loss of Marte/Cano

  108. Nick in SF March 14th, 2009 at 8:20 pm

    Betsy, I think I addressed your point in my 6:45 pm post. Getting caught up?

    In any case, it was the “no Yankee should ever be allowed to play in the WBC again!!” point that I was addressing.

  109. S.A.-The 2009 MLB season is almost here March 14th, 2009 at 8:21 pm

    Let’s just wait and see how the injuries to Cano and Marte play out.

  110. dann March 14th, 2009 at 8:21 pm

    I told you guys = That contract was the worst thing to ever happen to Cano. Cashman surely underestimated his maturity and mental makeup.

  111. DT March 14th, 2009 at 8:23 pm

    “Ahmad is a top sports doc and the guy they hired to replace Stuart Hershon. He’s not some quack.”

    Ahmad has an excellent resume. Pete’s right. He’s no quack.
    http://www.cumc.columbia.edu/d.....ahmad.html

    He is the author of the book “Minimally Invasive Shoulder and Elbow Surgery”.

    It’s a compelling read. I won’t spoil the ending, but suffice to say it’s a mystery and who dun it story wrapped into one. It’s elbow and shoulders above the rest.

  112. Z (Get Manny) March 14th, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    Cano didn’t think it was serious and thought it would go away after a day of rest. Can’t blame him for that.

    It’s not like he played with a separated shoulder. He had some mild soreness that comes and goes during the season and tried to play through it.

  113. Brian from PA March 14th, 2009 at 8:27 pm

    USA down 2-0 earlier vs PR. Peavy does not pitch well in big game situations. He’s been crappy in the playoffs for SD in recent years and he was terrible in their tie-breaker game vs Colorado in 07, he’s sucked in the ASG… this is why i’m glad the Yankees didn’t trade for him earlier this offseason when it was talked about.

  114. Rockks March 14th, 2009 at 8:31 pm

    Injuries were the one thing that could derail this great season of ours, and they are already starting with 20+ games to go in the Spring

    First A-Rod, then Cano and Marte

    Who’s next? Every year we get these injuries. We’re just terrible unlucky. Who knows how long these guys will be out for?

  115. Mark March 14th, 2009 at 8:33 pm

    We get it. You don’t like WBC. Can you guarantee these injuries definitely wouldn’t have happened at regular spring training games? Injuries are often the result of a weakness (not always, but often). So, wouldn’t a similar injury occur during regular spring training activities (games/practices, etc.)?

  116. Pel March 14th, 2009 at 8:35 pm

    http://web.worldbaseballclassi.....t_purint_1

  117. Weather Man March 14th, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    Didn’t Edwar get the same injury as Marte, while throwing a bullpen in the confinement of ST?

    It can happen anywhere.

  118. Arenoso March 14th, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    4-0 Puerto Rico, Felipe Lopez just hit a homer against Peavy!

  119. Brian from PA March 14th, 2009 at 8:41 pm

    Christ, Peavy… Why would anyone want this guy? Yeah, he’s great during the regular season. But would you want this guy pitching for you in a high pressure situation? I have NEVER seen him pitch well in such a game.

  120. trisha - As long as you're in pinstripes, Kei, I've got your back. March 14th, 2009 at 8:41 pm

    I’m so SAD we didn’t get Peavy. Is this the same Peavy who said he didn’t want to play for the Yankees but wanted to make clear that he would have been happy to play for the Red Sox?

    Ugh. What a leper.

  121. A-List March 14th, 2009 at 8:42 pm

    This guy would get destroyed in the AL East… he is another Vasquez (who ironically he is opposing today).

  122. m March 14th, 2009 at 8:42 pm

    Too bad this game’s not being played in San Diego. :?

  123. GreenBeret7 March 14th, 2009 at 8:42 pm

    Joe from Long Island
    March 14th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
    GB7 – Thanks for the insight on Tim Battle. I will try to keep up with him this year.

    George is something. I remember vividly all the things he did to infuriate me, as a fan (ex, Dave Winfield episode), and then he comes along and does something like this, or the Virginia Tech thing. He is definitely something else.

    ————————————————————

    George has always been a contriction. He pulls the Winfield thing, fired and fired at will. As I understand it, though. most people he fired came back to work the next day. A close friend has a son that interned for the Yanks, both in NY and Tampa, and was fired by George for some silly thing. They told the kid to go home for the day and report to work the next day.

    For years, he footed the bill for travel and room costs for Grambling and another of the black colleges to play at Yankee Stadium every year. He bought and donated the lighting systems to FLa State U. and other colleges received money. I think NC got a quadrangle or courtyard built by the Steinbrenners. Look at the number of old player he hired just to give them a job, or, the players that he tried rehabbing that had drug issues. Then he could turn around and try to remove medical benefits from office staff.

  124. tampayank March 14th, 2009 at 8:42 pm

    EricVA March 14th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    Is there any real reason behind the numerous posts the last few days about the Domincans, especially Cano and Marte, being lazy and party animals? I think I’ve read at least 5-10 posts just like:

    “Only god knows what these two fools were doing in Puerto Rico. Wouldn’t shock me if this isn’t all baseball related with Marte…”

    I did read somewhere that the Dominican team were out at their hotel bar hitting it hard the night before the first Netherlands game that had a 12pm first pitch

    Peavy not looking good 4-0 Puerto Rico

  125. Weather Man March 14th, 2009 at 8:43 pm

    Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.

  126. trisha - As long as you're in pinstripes, Kei, I've got your back. March 14th, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    Either get that piece of garbage off the mound or just concede the game. What a loser.

    As always, the genial captain is entertaining the opposition at second.

    :)

  127. Brian from PA March 14th, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    walk, homer, foul-out, walk, double. 2nd inning, 4 runs already in.

    USA is going to be eliminated in round 2 again. They’re a joke on the international level.

  128. dann March 14th, 2009 at 8:45 pm

    That is a good point Eric– even Girardi seemed suspicious that Marte was lifting weights.

    Have a feeling there is more to this story.

  129. GreenBeret7 March 14th, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    Can only hope for a quick mercy rule here and the next game and get out.

  130. trisha - As long as you're in pinstripes, Kei, I've got your back. March 14th, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    Brian -

    Pitching pitching pitching

  131. Carl March 14th, 2009 at 8:47 pm

    Oswalt is no better— he also said he would pitch in Boston and not in NY. He also was the one who said A-Rod’s records should be wiped out.

  132. rconn23 March 14th, 2009 at 8:50 pm

    Peavy is a fine pitcher, but despite his Cy Young year he is not one of the truly elite pitchers in the game.

    He would get destroyed going from Petco to AL East. Away from San Diego last year he was just an average pitcher.

    You can’t underestimate the effect pitching at PETCO has had on his career. You just can’t.

  133. G. Love March 14th, 2009 at 8:50 pm

    GB7,

    I hate addressing you because you are a grade A moron, but I also know dementia has already taken hold of your feeble old brain since you failed to remember that Cano had a horrible start to the season the past two seasons.

    He’s been a slow starter every year and appears to have to play himself into producing.

    You got a hard on for me. I get it.

    I ignore you again and again and you just can’t help yourself.

    I choose not to address you because you are mean, you’re an internet bully when people disagree with you including the guy who writes this blog.

    So I get it. You’re the sheriff here in your mind. Whatever, Hoss.

    But don’t sit here and tell me or any other Yankee fan that Cano had a great year last year and he’s been a stellar 1st half player.

    He hasn’t.

    Spring training stats mean nothing to me. To think I was talking about Cano’s ice cold starts pertaining to the spring shows me how obtuse you are.

  134. trisha - As long as you're in pinstripes, Kei, I've got your back. March 14th, 2009 at 8:51 pm

    Carl – Peavy can say whatever he wants if he then goes out and performs well. I think Oswalt did a much better job than Peavy did. And by the way, the rush in the off season by some posters here was for Peavy. Even after he announced that he didn’t want to play in the AL (well that obviously meant for the Yankees) there were some people here salivating for the guy. He’s a bum. It’s easy to forget that pitching in the NL ain’t pitching in the AL!

  135. Brian from PA March 14th, 2009 at 8:51 pm

    It’s kind of embarrassing that this country is the birthplace of baseball and is supposed to be the home of the best of the best, yet our national team is utterly miserable in international play. Even with major leaguers.

  136. tampayank March 14th, 2009 at 8:51 pm

    it seems like USA manages the game like ST and every other team manages to win…This is embarrassing, if someone gives up that many runs, give him the hook even if he hasn’t ‘got his work in’ …and they wonder why most Americans don’t give a **** about this tournament! A lot of work to do to rally, hopefully their bullpen sucks.

  137. Nick in SF March 14th, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    Vasquez has a perfect game going.

  138. Nick in SF March 14th, 2009 at 8:53 pm

    Ha, it worked.

  139. ray (sox fan) March 14th, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    I am not an Oswalt defender, but at the same time some of these comments really smack of being homers and biased.

    It is still mid spring training season. These pitchers have not reached their velocity and location yet.

    How is that Oswalt is a piece of garbage, and yet CC can get shelled and we are reminded that it is still spring training? CC’s track record in big games is not real stellar either.

  140. trisha - As long as you're in pinstripes, Kei, I've got your back. March 14th, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    “if someone gives up that many runs, give him the hook even if he hasn’t ‘got his work in’”

    Oh yeah.

  141. Teixeiramvp March 14th, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    BBB-Go Devils! Brodeur’s tying the record, baby!Parise’s winning MVP! On the WBC-Don’t like it and never did. I admit there were some fun games but they’re not worth the injury risks.

  142. Teixeiramvp March 14th, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    BBB-Go Devils! Brodeur’s tying the record, baby!Parise’s winning MVP! On the WBC-Don’t like it and never did. I admit there were some fun games but they’re not worth the injury risks.

  143. m March 14th, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    Thanks for the jinx, Nick.

    I was just going to say that maybe Javy will have one of his famous meltdowns. Or maybe we can get to the soft underbelly of their bullpen.

  144. ray (sox fan) March 14th, 2009 at 8:55 pm

    Sorry…I meant Peavy.

  145. Scott C. March 14th, 2009 at 8:57 pm

    ray,

    Nobody ever said CC was a big game pitcher. Statistically, CC is one of the worst postseason pitchers of all-time. However, we got him for the regular season and to win us a bunch of games to get us to October. He will be our #4 starter or in the bullpen once the playoffs arrive.

  146. trisha - As long as you're in pinstripes, Kei, I've got your back. March 14th, 2009 at 8:57 pm

    Ray you might want to try your schtick on the Sons of Sam Horn. Go tell them how some Yankee fans are homers. They likely would agree with you. It’s a little weak to do that here, especially seeing you are a Sox fan.

    Now perhaps I should have let the person who made the comment respond since I’m not the one who called Oswalt a “piece of garbage”. In fact I didn’t see anyone call Oswalt a piece of garbage. I’ll have to go back through the posts to see who did that.

  147. Zolio March 14th, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    The USA team should not be this inept against Vasquez- who himself is a horrible big game pitcher and can be hittable at times.

  148. Teixeiramvp March 14th, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    ray (sox fan)-Correction-C.C. doesn’t have the best track record in playoff games, but he was a big game MONSTER with the Brew Crew. While I really am not interested in attacking Oswalt or Peavy since they’re not Yankees and they don’t play the Yankees much, and are therefore irrevlevant to me, it’s unfair to say C.C. is not a big game pitcher. Anyway he’s young, he’ll fix his playoff woes. He’s too talented not to.

  149. Betsy March 14th, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    To be fair, Ray, Sabathia carried the Brewers to the playoffs last year. What he did was almost unheard of – I’m giving him a complete pass for his game against the Phillies.

  150. Teixeiramvp March 14th, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    Hopefully he could do what he did last yr. again. However, he (C.C.) probably won’t have to since the Yankees have a great pitching staff, so the pressure won’t all be on him.

  151. S.A.-The 2009 MLB season is almost here March 14th, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    So Derek should be back soon?

  152. Boston Dave March 14th, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    Peavy has nasty stuff. Tons of movement on his pitches. Perhaps he has struggled in high-pressure situations but he is an elite pitcher for sure (considering there just aren’t that many out there).

    I would cut Peavy, CC, Webb, etc some slack. It’s spring training.

  153. ray (sox fan) March 14th, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    Just to be clear, I am not at all interested in dissing CC. He pitched a lot of innings last year and was a real workhorse. I think he will do great for you guys.

    I just don’t see the need to call Peavy or other pitchers this early in the season garbage. I don’t mean to offend, but if that is offensive one can always choose to skip my posts.

  154. rconn23 March 14th, 2009 at 9:04 pm

    “CC is one of the worst postseason pitchers of all-time. However, we got him for the regular season and to win us a bunch of games to get us to October. He will be our #4 starter or in the bullpen once the playoffs arrive.”

    Yes, C.C. Sabbathia, one of the top five pitchers in baseball will be relegated to the back of the rotation or the bullpen if the Yankees make the playoffs. Makes perfect sense.

    Utter nonsense.

  155. Boston Dave March 14th, 2009 at 9:04 pm

    “He (CC) will be our #4 starter or in the bullpen once the playoffs arrive.”

    Haha, one of the funniest comments of the early spring training season.

  156. Teixeiramvp March 14th, 2009 at 9:04 pm

    S.A.-I hope so, our infielders are dropping like flies.

  157. Boston Dave March 14th, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    ray,

    anyone who calls Peavy garbage has never seen him pitch and/or has no clue what they are talking about.

  158. Brian from PA March 14th, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    What I don’t get is, if the USA really cared about fielding a good WBC team that could actually win it, why are the rosters not decided until so late in February? It seems they should be working on getting the team together and starting to practice together and work out well before the beginning of the tourny. I mean there are other countries that have baseball leagues in action in early january. perhaps team USA could be together by then and play exhibitions in another country. other countries come and play exhibitions vs major league teams in ST anyway. wouldn’t that help them to be better prepared?

    but of course, it would piss off the major league teams to have their players working out and getting into live game action that early anyway. its like a lose-lose situation. i guess the timing of the WBC just isn’t conducive for the USA to be competitive.

  159. Teixeiramvp March 14th, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    ray (sox fan)-I actually agree with you on the other pitchers. ST stats mean nothing. I just think it’s unfair to say C.C.’s not a big game pitcher.

  160. Boston Dave March 14th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    “It’s kind of embarrassing that this country is the birthplace of baseball and is supposed to be the home of the best of the best, yet our national team is utterly miserable in international play. Even with major leaguers.”

    Brian, this isnt’ exactly the best team the US could field. Playing MLB is priority #1, WBC is at best priority #2.

    I wouldn’t lose sleep over how they fare in the WBC. It’s played for fun, nothing else.

  161. S.A.-The 2009 MLB season is almost here March 14th, 2009 at 9:08 pm

    Well, I’m not a Peavy “fan” to begin with-so I take some glee in his performance tonight. I admit it. :evil:
    But still, it doesn’t mean he is complete garbage or anything. It’s early, a time when pitchers are working on things. Too bad Team USA

  162. Boston Dave March 14th, 2009 at 9:08 pm

    Brian,

    because it’s the WBC. Players, rightfully so, don’t care about the WBC.

    They care about their jobs, which is to do the best they can in MLB.

    the WBC is an exhibition. nothing serious.

  163. trisha - As long as you're in pinstripes, Kei, I've got your back. March 14th, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    Ah, the poster who wanted Peavy here is quickly coming back to me.

  164. ray (sox fan) March 14th, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    Teixeiramvp
    March 14th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
    “ray (sox fan)-I actually agree with you on the other pitchers. ST stats mean nothing. I just think it’s unfair to say C.C.’s not a big game pitcher.”

    Teixeiramvp, I was probably a bit harsh on CC in my first post, but I tried to say in my second post that I think he will do very good for the Yankees, and I do believe that will include the postseason.

  165. S.A.-The 2009 MLB season is almost here March 14th, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    Go Syracuse!

  166. Brian from PA March 14th, 2009 at 9:11 pm

    “I would cut Peavy, CC, Webb, etc some slack. It’s spring training.”

    Well, regarding Peavy, it’s not just right now. As you know, San Diego has seen some October action in recent years. He has not performed well in any of those appearances. He also has not performed well in July playing in the ASG. And as I said, he was far less than impressive playing in the 1-game playoff against Colorado in 07.

    I’m not convinced that Peavy is an elite pitcher if he can’t perform when it counts. And for the record, I never said I’m convinced that CC can perform when it counts. Just because he’s a Yankee now doesn’t mean I think he’s the king of the world.

  167. trisha - As long as you're in pinstripes, Kei, I've got your back. March 14th, 2009 at 9:11 pm

    I have no problem with anyone thinking Peavy isn’t garbage. I happen to think he is. And I’m grateful that piece of garbage is now off the mound, though it is probably a little too late.

  168. raymagnetic March 14th, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    “Personally, I think Cano needed the shoulder injury to explain his ice cold start to the season yet again. Nothing like a crutch to prop yourself up on.”

    “Spring training stats mean nothing to me. To think I was talking about Cano’s ice cold starts pertaining to the spring shows me how obtuse you are.”

    The season hasn’t started yet so which “ice cold start” are you referring to?

  169. Boston Dave March 14th, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    I don’t know why anybody wouldn’t be a Peavy fan, except that he said he would play for the Red Sox.

    His agent said flat out that if Peavy goes to the AL, the teams would either by NY, Bos, or LA:

    “”Jake has a strong preference to stay in the National League. If Jake’s ever going to accept anything to the American League –- and I don’t want this to be taken wrong –- I can safely say that it’s going to be the Yankees or Red Sox or maybe the Angels.”

    Peavy is a great pitcher who plays the game the right way. You can tell he loves playing baseball and unlike many other #1 starters from the US, he wouldn’t think about skipping the WBC.

    Unless he goes to the Sox, IMO, it’s silly to dislike him.

  170. Boston Dave March 14th, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    trisha,

    why do you feel that way?

  171. m March 14th, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    Go Syracuse.

    Way to kill the mood, ray!

    And you don’t need to make trouble. Most of us are quite aware of CC’s postseason resume.

    But don’t worry yourself about CC. It’s AJ you need to worry about. ;)

  172. Betsy March 14th, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    Ray, you didn’t offend me at all. Despite the fact that you root for the wrong team (j/k – actually I enjoy talking shop with fans of opposing teams who are up some reasonable discourse and don’t shoot their mouths off about how terrible the Yankees are for the game), I really enjoy your posts.

    My only quibble with Peavy has to do with the fact that he so clearly wants to stay in the NL (even though he did say that he wouldn’t mind pitching for the Sox). IMO, that’s taking the easy way out – but then, he’s not the only one to prefer the much lower ERAs of the weaker league. You’re right, though – he should not be trashed for this performance. It is, after all, HIS ST ………..

    I detest the WBC and I don’t care if the US loses. I’m not rooting against them, but if they lose – good, then Jeter gets to come back. The 162 game MLB season is way more important to me than the WBC – in fact, there isn’t anything less important to me than the WBC.

  173. trisha - As long as you're in pinstripes, Kei, I've got your back. March 14th, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    Because the leper just gave up six runs. And I also remember posters talking about how he was worthless in big games.

  174. Boston Dave March 14th, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    Brian,

    that’s fair (except for the All Star Game which is meaningless). it still doesn’t mean Peavy isn’t one of the best pitchers in the game.

    I still think ARod is one of the best hitters in the game (and that he’ll eventually hit in October).

  175. Boston Dave March 14th, 2009 at 9:16 pm

    trisha,

    so because he got hit in the WBC in March it makes him a piece of garbage? a little harsh IMO.

    he has been a workhorse, cy young caliber pitcher in the NL. You can say he hasn’t performed in a small handful of important games, which is valid, but it seems ridiculous and holier than thou to say he is a “piece of garbage”. just my 2 cents.. I am not a Peavy fan – just confused at all the unwarranted hatred.

  176. rconn23 March 14th, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    I don’t think anyone is saying Peavy isn’t a very good pitcher. But his numbers at Petco and pitching in the most mediocre division in the National League over the last several years has to be heavily factored into his success so far.

    He’s not a horse like Roy Halladay, Josh Beckett, C.C. Sabbathia or Johan Santana.

  177. PAT M. March 14th, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    I’m confused…People here are complaing about sending the Premier Yankee players to the WBC, yet you’re complaing about the USA not having the best players ???? It is what it is folks…Can’t have it both ways….GB7, I see you were promoted to grade A, impressive….

  178. Peter Abraham March 14th, 2009 at 9:18 pm

    Trisha:

    If you in fact think Jake Peavy is a piece of garbage, you likely need to examine your own life.

    Jake is a good guy, a close friend of Jeter and a guy who done a lot for sick kids in his hometown and in San Diego. When Mike Cameron suffered that terrible injury a few years ago in San Diego, Jake was one of the guys who helped Mike’s family, etc.

  179. BGNYY March 14th, 2009 at 9:18 pm

    Can we ban anyone who suggest dumping Cano? I mean REALLY people…

  180. Brian from PA March 14th, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    I guess what I’m saying is, regarding the ASG and WBC, perhaps most fans find it meaningless, but I doubt the players do. You say the players don’t care about the WBC but I’ve read plenty about the USA players, particularly Jeter, Chipper Jones and Peavy, talking about how tough to swallow their 06 performance is and that they are in it to win it this year….maybe it doesn’t matter to most fans, but it sounds to be like it matters to the players. Sounds to me like it matters to Peavy. Also, players like playing in front of their home fans. The ASG decides home field advantage for the WS. I’m sure at least some players find the ASG to have SOME meaning.

  181. Boston Dave March 14th, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    Betsy,

    Peavy also said he would pitch for the Yankees or Angels.

    It seems to me he is more concerned with pitching for a winning team.

    If you were on a perpetual loser that didn’t spend any money, I imagine you’d feel the same way.

    He’s surely in it for the $$ as well, but who isn’t? At least he really does care about winning and not only the $$.

  182. Boston Dave March 14th, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    Brian,

    I meant that if the players all cared about the WBC they would play in it. The team the US is fielding is not their best team.

    Of course the players in the games are going to try to win.

    the ASG is an exhibition game just like the WBC. It’s played for the fans and to make more $$ for baseball. Plain and simple.

  183. trisha - As long as you're in pinstripes, Kei, I've got your back. March 14th, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    Boston Dave, I actually find that hilarious. Maybe it’s because I never care how anyone here feels about any player.

    Sorry, but this is a riot. I guess you’ll just have to try to find a way to deal with the way I feel about Peavy.

    :lol:

  184. BGNYY March 14th, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    Peavy would be hammered in the AL

  185. S.A.-The 2009 MLB season is almost here March 14th, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    But his numbers at Petco and pitching in the most mediocre division in the National League over the last several years has to be heavily factored into his success so far.

    He’s not a horse like Roy Halladay, Josh Beckett, C.C. Sabbathia or Johan Santana.

    ===================

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    Also, Peavy had no interest pitching for the yankees, no matter what his agent said. I’m trying to find the article that soured me on him.
    Anyways, have fun with him San Diego

  186. trisha - As long as you're in pinstripes, Kei, I've got your back. March 14th, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    Pete, I think Peavy pitches like a piece of garbage.

    Last I looked I didn’t have to take an oath to feel a certain way about Peavy.

  187. Boston Dave March 14th, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    rconn23,

    I can’t argue with that. I don’t think some of the other anti-Peavy comments are in line with your thoughts, though.

  188. GreenBeret7 March 14th, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    Ray, how’s things going with you and the (Sox fan) family? Still paying the neiborhood kids to shovel out the driveway? I wish the weather would cool off here.

    I thought you’d been coming here long enough that the only players you can safely knock are Alex Rodriguez, Robinson Cano, Damaso Marte and Ian Kennedy. Everyone else is verbotin. The mother tigers are loose tonight.

  189. m March 14th, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    I don’t know anything about Peavy. But I have an inkling that he would have a difficult time pitching in the AL East. People rave about his stuff, but it doesn’t seem to translate well outside of PETCO no matter how much people insist otherwise.

  190. Boston Dave March 14th, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    trisha,

    relax. I guess I didn’t realize that you consider people to be “pieces of garbage” if they don’t pitch well.

    I was confused but now I get it. I just don’t want to know what you call people who are actually bad people and/or bad players.

  191. Nick in SF March 14th, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    GB7: I think it’s ok to knock Jose Tabata too; now at least.

  192. trisha - As long as you're in pinstripes, Kei, I've got your back. March 14th, 2009 at 9:28 pm

    Boston Dave, you relax. There are two or three players at the most who have gotten negative feedback from me. I would say that beats everyone else here, Pete included, when it comes to trashing players, Yankee players included.

    Okay?

  193. Brian from PA March 14th, 2009 at 9:28 pm

    As a Yankees fan, who obviously cares most about what happens in October, I just don’t understand defending a player for what he does from April-September. I know Peavy is good. But he has not performed well when it counts and that is a big deal to me. I love what Alex Rodriguez does from April-September but again, he hasn’t performed when it counts. It doesn’t mean I don’t find them to be good players and it doesn’t mean i don’t think they’re good people, I just think that, so far, they have not proved them selves to be reliable in the clutch.

  194. S.A.-The 2009 MLB season is almost here March 14th, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    Wait, what about Kei Igawa? Is he now on a “Do not knock/mock” list? :cry:

  195. Nick in SF March 14th, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    S.A.: he’s already in the Mock of Fame.

  196. S.A.-The 2009 MLB season is almost here March 14th, 2009 at 9:33 pm

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  197. ray (sox fan) March 14th, 2009 at 9:34 pm

    GreenBeret7
    March 14th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
    “Ray, how’s things going with you and the (Sox fan) family? Still paying the neiborhood kids to shovel out the driveway? I wish the weather would cool off here.

    I thought you’d been coming here long enough that the only players you can safely knock are Alex Rodriguez, Robinson Cano, Damaso Marte and Ian Kennedy. Everyone else is verbotin. The mother tigers are loose tonight.”

    Hey GB! And you have been coming here long enough to know that I am just jealous that CC isn’t wearing a Red Sox uniform! :)

  198. Peter Abraham March 14th, 2009 at 9:34 pm

    Trisha:

    Maybe you should take an oath to be a reasonable human being. So somebody pitches poorly in a baseball game in March and he’s a piece or garbage?

    Nice perspective. I cant image how somebody gets to that place in their life.

  199. m March 14th, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    Cut it out, guys. Igawas have feelings, too.

  200. pat March 14th, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    Brian

    Some guys get you there and some guys bring you home. Both have value.

  201. Brian from PA March 14th, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    anyway, i’ve made my thoughts clear about the WBC and Jake Peavy.

    Now, what does everyone think of Snuggies? I think they’re fantastic. A blanket with sleeves??? You may think you can get just as much out of wearing a bathrobe backwards, but you’re wrong!

  202. ray (sox fan) March 14th, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    m,

    By the way, I have resigned myself to the fact that the Lakers and Cav’s will in all probability end up with better regular season records than the C’s.

  203. RS March 14th, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    If the U.S. really wanted to field its best team, it would probably look something like this:

    C Mauer
    1B Teixeira
    2B Utley
    SS Jeter
    3B Wright
    LF Braun
    CF Sizemore
    RF Hamilton

    Bench: Youkilis, Pedroia, Rollins, McCann, Longoria, Upton, Holliday

    SP Halladay
    SP Sabathia
    SP Webb
    SP Hamels
    SP Lincecum

    Jenks, Wood, Broxton, BJ Ryan, Nathan, Putz, Lidge, and Papelbon in the bullpen.

    This is why I don’t take the U.S.’s performance in the WBC seriously. Obviously I would like to win, but it’s not like we’re sending our very best players out there, especially in the pitching staff.

  204. Boston Dave March 14th, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    ray,

    when the Cavs came back and won the game against the Clippers, that’s when it set in.

    At least the C’s wouldn’t have to face DWade in the 2nd round :)

  205. GreenBeret7 March 14th, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    PAT M.
    March 14th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
    I’m confused…People here are complaing about sending the Premier Yankee players to the WBC, yet you’re complaing about the USA not having the best players ???? It is what it is folks…Can’t have it both ways….GB7, I see you were promoted to grade A, impressive….

    ————————————————————

    I consider it an honor when an idiot thinks I’m mean. I’m just guessing that 2/3rds of the people complaining about these injuries like Cano’s preliminary diagnosis of tendonitis have no idea how fast and easy it comes on. If he has no trouble swinging the bat, I figure that it’s not life-threatening. He said the only discomfort was from throwing. I’m guessing ice and anti-inflamitories will fix it. Marte, who knows. I was never crazy to see pitchers lifting deadweights in the first place, but, again, Marte says it doesn’t hurt throwing. You’d know about those things more than anybody here.

    Me, I’ll just wait to slit my wrists until after the medicals come in. Cano probably should have said something, but, I’d think that this isn’t the first time he’s had a tender shoulder. The “he’s an idiot” crap is laughable. It’s as stupid as saying that he’s a slow starter because of one month in 4 years.

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  207. Boston Dave March 14th, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    RS,

    exactly…

    good job on that lineup too (cant see any obvious guys missing)

  208. trisha - As long as you're in pinstripes, Kei, I've got your back. March 14th, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    “I cant image how somebody gets to that place in their life.”

    Oh come on. You may do it with a different vocabulary but you have been known to be pretty nasty in your assessments of certain players, their lives, and certain posters. Maybe I can’t imagine how someone gets to that place in THEIR lives since my bent is to really be generally supportive as opposed to tearing players down.

  209. ray (sox fan) March 14th, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    “At least the C’s wouldn’t have to face DWade in the 2nd round”

    Dave, DWade has been a man on a mission lately!!

  210. GreenBeret7 March 14th, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    ray (sox fan)
    March 14th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
    GreenBeret7
    March 14th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
    “Ray, how’s things going with you and the (Sox fan) family? Still paying the neiborhood kids to shovel out the driveway? I wish the weather would cool off here.

    I thought you’d been coming here long enough that the only players you can safely knock are Alex Rodriguez, Robinson Cano, Damaso Marte and Ian Kennedy. Everyone else is verbotin. The mother tigers are loose tonight.”

    Hey GB! And you have been coming here long enough to know that I am just jealous that CC isn’t wearing a Red Sox uniform!

    ————————————————————

    If it will make you feel more like Yankee family, I’ll send you my spare Yankee hat. It comes with about 4 quarts of oil a pound of dirt. You’ll feel like a real person, then.

  211. m March 14th, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    ray,

    Disgusted with the Suns (Hello, Jason Richardson! 360 dunk when you could’ve just laid it in for the tie?!) and the Kings. That should’ve been 2 losses right there.

    The C’s & the Cavs have a much easier schedule than the Lakes.

  212. trisha - As long as you're in pinstripes, Kei, I've got your back. March 14th, 2009 at 9:49 pm

    The way they’re playing Team USA is actually probably lucky to lose this game so that they don’t have to face Venezuela. Let PR and Venezuela duke it out. No offense to Team Netherlands, who has played very well thus far. But I think USA has a better chance to beat them than Venezuela. Though you never know. Team USA might buy the farm altogether. And if they do, they do.

  213. GreenBeret7 March 14th, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    S.A.-The 2009 MLB season is almost here
    March 14th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
    Wait, what about Kei Igawa? Is he now on a “Do not knock/mock” list?

    ————————————————————

    I’ve actually seen a few people thinking he might go north with the Yanks.

    I figure if NYY takes him north with them, it’s only because he’s hitching a ride to Scranton.

  214. GreenBeret7 March 14th, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    Ray, the Boston Clippers will never get past the first round.

  215. m March 14th, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    Did you guys see that foul in the Syracuse game? It’s a miracle the kid got up and walked off the court. Nasty flip.

  216. PAT M. March 14th, 2009 at 10:03 pm

    GB7, Trust me you maybe the first to be awarded an A, but hardly the last….Actually I was a little surprised that G Love was that upset with you…He’s preety sharp baseball guy….If you got an A, I want one too…Seems like Tricia is in the dog house also….

  217. BBB March 14th, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    551!!!! Martin Brodeur has made history!!!

    Didn’t see Peavy’s outing for Team USA today because I was watching the Devils, but I’ve never been too impressed with his big game performances. He pitched an absolute stinker in that 1 game playoff vs Colorado. After the year he had that year, he should have done better. And that same year, if I’m not mistaken, was the only year where he was actually an elite pitcher on the road as well as at home. His career road ERA is a full run higher than his home ERA. OVER-RATED!

    I’m not saying this because of what essentially is a ST outing for him today, but I’ve always felt that way. Then again the same is true of Vazquez as we all know but he pitched well for PUR today.

    If Puerto Rico wins this, does Bernie get a ring? :)

  218. BBB March 14th, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    “At least the C’s wouldn’t have to face DWade in the 2nd round”

    Well this sentence puts a smile on my face. :)

    Did anyone catch the Heat’s 3OT victory over Utah today? Wade with 50. The team no one wants to face in the 1st round…or the 2nd I guess!

  219. trisha - As long as you're in pinstripes, Kei, I've got your back. March 14th, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    “Seems like Tricia is in the dog house also….”

    :D

    And you have to know how it’s distressing me.

    :lol:

  220. GreenBeret7 March 14th, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    PAT M.
    March 14th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
    GB7, Trust me you maybe the first to be awarded an A, but hardly the last….Actually I was a little surprised that G Love was that upset with you…He’s preety sharp baseball guy….If you got an A, I want one too…Seems like Tricia is in the dog house also….

    ———————————————————–

    Well, for somebody that’s supposed to be pretty smart, he says some less than brilliant things. He’s not the only one coming up with this crap, but, I just don’t see a guy that except for last year hits .275-.280 in April. I do not consider that slow. Slow was last year.

    Why Long waited almost two months to correct a flaw that he noticed early is beyond me. His remark was even more baffling….”He’s always had success hitting like that before.” If didn’t take a lot to realize that his lead foot was 12-15 inches behind his back foot.

  221. trisha - As long as you're in pinstripes, Kei, I've got your back. March 14th, 2009 at 10:25 pm

    Wow.

    Cripes.

  222. Alex March 14th, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    The USA had the mercy rule invoked on them… embarrassing.

  223. pat March 14th, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    Team USA sees first hand that good “chemistry” can’t overcome bad pitching.

    Scary thought- Could Pedroia be the lucky little leprechan needed to win?

  224. m March 14th, 2009 at 10:51 pm

    pat,

    I was thinking the same thing. They couldn’t win without their ‘Lucky Charm’.

    Mercy Rule? That’s downright embarrassing.

  225. GreenBeret7 March 14th, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    I don’t really care whether the US team wins or not. I’d just as soon they lose against The Netherlands. It’s time to be getting players back to their teams. That attempted take-out slide on Jeter could have ended ugly. Injuries happen, plays like that don’t need to be made, especially during ST and that early in the game.

  226. Desmond March 15th, 2009 at 4:07 am

    Hope Cano & Marte will be alright. In this case the prognosis of Cano seems to be better. But as someone said earlier, their injury might have happened before they leave spring training for the classic.

    Meanwhile, is this WBC really that meaningless? I mean, I love the Yanks, a lot. But the best athletes representing their countries is downright the most important thing in all of sports. I am not just saying baseball. Although I admit, there’s almost no perfect timing for such an event, as long as the business side of baseball is bigger than everything else. But I can understand why they, if they did, hide their injuries to go to the WBC. Think about it, they are, afterall, working in a state of a country that they won’t call home. They play (hard, maybe?) because they are paid to do so and they just do their job. But playing for your country, is a totally different story. That’s why U.S. players don’t take it seriously, because they have chances to perform in front of their countrymen day-in and day-out. I am not saying I am happy with their injury, but in some way it’s hard not to understand. And seriously, if I were they, I would rather risk myself injury for my country rather than for my employer……..Just my 2 cents anyway.

  227. bru March 15th, 2009 at 7:12 am

    Nick in SF
    March 14th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
    Because no one ever gets injured in Spring Training games?

    ————————————————————

    because if you were paying players with you’re check book you wouldn’t wan’t them playing either.
    owners,gm’s,coaches,managers wan’t players to be watched by their own staff,not somebody elses.

    i heard cano played all 9 innings of the first 3 games.

  228. bru March 15th, 2009 at 7:19 am

    pat
    March 14th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
    John Rodriguez got hurt today. Bet he wishes he was playing in the WBC and not facing the Pirates.

    ————————————————————

    injuries happen.sometimes there is nothing you can do but pedroia said he doesn’t think that players are ready to go all out or play 9 innings yet.
    he hit it right on the head of the nail.

    players don’t wan’t to let anybody down & it is their nature to be competitive & go all out.they have to be protected from themselves.

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    These players have one responsibility: The NYY. They are signed under contract so they better be up front with their injuries.

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