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More random spring training thoughts

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Mar 24, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Some random baseball thoughts:

· Curt Schilling is a Hall of Fame phony. His performance in front of Congress was one of the all-time fold jobs when he backtracked on his steroid claims. But I’ll miss him. Schilling wrapped his arms around the Yankees-Red Sox rivalry like few others. In a day when most players say it’s just another game, he never did. Plus he was easy to hate and a good villain always makes any story better.

· It was cool that Japan and Korea played in WBC final. It’s a testament to the idea that running the bases, playing defense, bunting and having the pitcher throw breaking pitches at any point in the count actually works. They play baseball now the way Americans did back in the 1950s and 60s.

The Asian players have style, don’t they? Ichiro is a bad ass.

· That said, what incentive is there for MLB teams to keep supporting this event? Derek Jeter has been gone from the Yankees since March 2. He’s had a grand total of 29 at-bats and played six games in the field.

· Yu Darvish? Yu gotta throw strikes, son. Meanwhile, Korea’s Bum Ho Lee has the greatest name in baseball.

· T-Kep, Sandy and I tried to come up with a French WBC team during the rain delay on Monday in Clearwater. We decided the WBC “rules” would certainly allow Juan Pierre on the roster.

· I have an answer to the question, “What player surprised you in Yankees camp?” The answer is Eduardo Nunez. Keep an eye on him this season.

· CC Sabathia actually holds runners. He looks at them, slide steps and everything. This is something no Yankees starter (outside of Mike Mussina) has done in years with any degree of care. No wonder Jorge Posada blew out his shoulder.

· I’d like to see Austin Jackson and Brett Gardner on the same team. You can’t keep up with the Rays with the same old geezers.

· Joe Girardi is really trying to change his style with his players and coaches (and the media, for that matter). But the true test comes when they start playing games that count.

· Scouts from other teams rave about how much pitching the Yankees have in their system and the talent of the players who were with Single-A Charleston last season.

· i find the idea that Derek Jeter should go play the outfield to be ridiculous. We have no idea if he can as he’s literally never played there a day in his life. So his lack of range at shortstop will disappear in the outfield?

He’s your shortstop until his contract expires after the 2010 season. Then you have two choices: Bid him a fond farewell or offer him some sort of DH/super utility role at a respectful salary.

The Yankees painted themselves into a corner when they signed Posada for four years, A-Rod for 10 (Seriously, great idea Hank. Just excellent.) and Mark Teixeira for eight. You can’t move Jeter to first or third and Posada isn’t going to be an everyday catcher forever. He’ll DH at some point.

· It’s is pointless now to debate whether Xavier Nady or Nick Swisher starts in right field. What is important is how well Girardi uses Nady, Swisher, Johnny Damon and Hideki Matsui. Working those four players into three spots will be a daily question for him.

NON-BASEBALL MATTERS

· The NCAA tournament has been sort of boring so far. Of the top 16 seeds, 14 made it to the Sweet 16. The other two are fifth-seeded Purdue and Arizona, a powerhouse program that landed a No. 12 seed. My Final Four — Pitt, Oklahoma, Michigan State and Missouri — is alive.

· It’s hard to take the NCAA women’s tournament seriously when seventh-seeded Rutgers hosts second-seeded Auburn in the second round. How is that fair?

· Somebody needs to tell Jay Cutler that he’s not good enough to complain about the Broncos looking at other quarterbacks.

· The iPhone has an application called Shazam that “listens” to a song, identifies it and then provides a link to iTunes to download it. I’ve picked up a few songs off the Nick Swisher playlist with it. Live Your Life from T.I. and Rihanna is a new fave.

· The new Facebook layout is egregiously awful. I spend easily 50 percent less time on the site as a result.

· Friday Night Lights is all-consuming. I want Bill Belichick to hire Coach Taylor to run his offense. Meanwhile, how does any college recruit Tim Riggins? He never goes to school or practice. Somebody needs to tell the writers that every high school game doesn’t go down to the final play. The Panthers need a few blowouts.

· Finally, a sincere thanks to everybody who has said hello during spring training. It has been a real pleasure to get to meet so many nice people. The best part about covering the Yankees is that so many folks have a genuine love of the team and are invested in the coverage.

 
 

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278 Responses to “More random spring training thoughts”

  1. jennifer March 24th, 2009 at 9:04 am

    Pete can you give us some idea as to how many ab’s Jeter should have to this point? Like how many Damon has.

    Thanks

  2. teddy March 24th, 2009 at 9:15 am

    damon has 41 at bats. well jeter can go back on the ball good and good on pops up. he been good in lf. if you want good defense jeter can’t be at short.

  3. Benny (junior mint) Blanco March 24th, 2009 at 9:16 am

    I wonder if Schilling is on the list of 103. Like Arsenio Hall used to say “things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmm.”

  4. DT March 24th, 2009 at 9:19 am

    ” It’s is pointless now to debate whether Xavier Nady or Nick Swisher starts in right field. ”

    I agree. I don’t which one starts in RF.

    I do care about sloppy journalism, and that is what we received from 75% of the beat writers on this story.

    If Girardi said – “if the season starts today, Nady is my RF” – he did not name Nady his starting RF. (unless the season actually does start today)

    You may think it’s a small point – I see it as “making news” instead of “reporting news”.

  5. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother March 24th, 2009 at 9:21 am

    CC Sabathia actually holds runners. He looks at them, slide steps and everything. This is something no Yankees starter (outside of Mike Mussina) has done in years with any degree of care. No wonder Jorge Posada blew out his shoulder.

    - – - – - – - – - – - –

    Andy Pettitte may disagree?

  6. John in Ohio March 24th, 2009 at 9:21 am

    I’ve weighed-in (pun intended) on Schilling in the past. If it weren’t for his mouth, he’d have gotten much less attention. Jim Kaat and Bert Blyleven have 70 more big league wins than Ketchup Sock. Seven years of double-digit wins more.

    Kaat also has 16 Gold Gloves, and Blyleven had the best curve of his era, and 600 more strikeouts.

    If those guys don’t pass the test, then neither does big mouth Schilling.

  7. Tex's New Best Friend March 24th, 2009 at 9:27 am

    Curt will have all the support of the Boston 1 Press and Boston 2 Press (AKA ESPN).

  8. Steve B March 24th, 2009 at 9:29 am

    “Andy Pettitte may disagree?”

    He can disagree all he likes. For a lefthander, he’s been terribly ineffective in that regard since coming back from the Stros.

  9. Mike G March 24th, 2009 at 9:32 am

    Pete, I do not understand why so many writers talk about how Teixeira’s contract has closed the door to Jeter eventually moving to 1B. As you yourself say about the OF, he has not played a day there in his life. Plus, there is no way the Yankees would be a better team with a singles hitter at 1B. This would definitely put them at a distinct competitive disadvantage going forward – especially if Gardner remains the CFer. The Teixeira contract was one of the best moves the Yankees have made in a long time, because going forward, he and not Jeter or ARod will be the long term face of the franchise. People talk about moving Jeter to LF because if he is going to be anything but a DH, that is the only position for him, and Damon’s contract is up after this season.

  10. Slu March 24th, 2009 at 9:34 am

    As far as Jeter, what about playing him at 2nd and moving Cano to left?

  11. rmel March 24th, 2009 at 9:34 am

    Pete I totally respect you, but come on…..The lack of Jeter’s range in the INFIELD compared to OUTFIELD is like night and day. SS is a quick instinct position compared to the OF…..Will Jeter have to learn it, of course….but he will also have to learn 3B or 1B if he was moved there…I have to believe Jeter has to realize if he wants to prolong his career and stay on the Yankees, OF is his only resting place…Plus what team is he going to move to…He is building a 30,000 sqft house in Tampa…Jeter always knows the situation…

  12. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother March 24th, 2009 at 9:35 am

    Steve B.
    Really?
    I think there are many, many would-be base-stealers that would disagree too.
    But who are they to say?

  13. JT March 24th, 2009 at 9:38 am

    Steve B, totally agree about Pettitte. He relies a little too much on the fear of his pickoff move. And guys were having a field day swiping third off him, until he paid some more attention last season and picked a couple leaving early.

  14. Steve B March 24th, 2009 at 9:40 am

    BP:

    Check his numbers in his 1st New York stint compared to his 2nd. More guys are running on him and with a higher success rate.

  15. JT March 24th, 2009 at 9:40 am

    Brad Pitt – Pettitte does not use a slide step. He has a big leg kick, which makes him much slower to the plate. Basically, if he doesnt try to pick you off, you have all the time in the world.

  16. Rishi March 24th, 2009 at 9:46 am

    I like this guy even more now:

    For now, Swisher will try to stay positive and come to grips with a role he cannot predict and news he did not want to hear.

    “I don’t know of anyone who would take that the right way, at first,” Swisher said. “But I have all the faith in the world that this team is where I want to be. The front office has put together a great team and not only that, but just a great group of guys, and we all get along. So that’s the thing: I’m not going to let any of this try to stir things up in any way, because that’s just not our style.”

  17. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother March 24th, 2009 at 9:48 am

    Agreed that it may not be at the levels it used to be. But I still say he is above average at holding them.

  18. ANSKY March 24th, 2009 at 9:51 am

    If they sign Jeter to an extension and have him play SS for at least another year until Posada’s contract expires, Jeter could be moved to the utility/DH role when Posada’s done or soon after. A Jeter transition doesn’t necessarily have to happen immediately at the beginning of his next contract (or extension) which gives a little flexibility to finding his successor at SS.

    Tiexiera at 1B and A-Rod at 3B will be a solid combo for a while. Maybe A-Rod would need to move to DH towards the end of his deal, but we’re talking about something that could be 6-7-8 years away.

    If Jeter were to go to the OF temporarily …. well Pete makes a good point about him not playing OF in the past. His ability to cover enough ground would dictate whether that would even be possible. If he can still run (even if he’s lost the quickness of his first step) I’d think switching from IF to OF would be easier than the other way around (ala Sheffield) but I guess that depends on the player. Being a step behind in the infield is more of a problem than being a step behind in the OF.

    Still, having A-Rod & Tiexiera on the corners for the next 5 years will be hard to beat. Again, I’m all for finding the next SS and transitioning Jeter towards DH as Posada retires rather than making it coincide with a contract. And if it takes another year to find that SS, Jeter doesn’t necessarily have to become a DH immediately after Posada’s done either.

  19. JT March 24th, 2009 at 9:52 am

    Agree. He’s above average. And most players with average or sub-par speed don’t even bothering trying to get a secondary lead off first when he’s on the mound. It’s not worth lookin silly when he pulls that nasty pickoff move.

  20. JT March 24th, 2009 at 9:53 am

    I was getting really annoyed when guys with average speed were stealing third off him, cause he paid no attention.

  21. Rebecca-Optimist Prime...Staying to Write the Story March 24th, 2009 at 9:55 am

    · Curt Schilling is a Hall of Fame phony. His performance in front of Congress was one of the all-time fold jobs when he backtracked on his steroid claims. But I’ll miss him. Schilling wrapped his arms around the Yankees-Red Sox rivalry like few others. In a day when most players say it’s just another game, he never did. Plus he was easy to hate and a good villain always makes any story better.

    *Curt Schilling making it to the hall of fame will make Mussina’s case easier (theoretically). Actually that’s debatable. How much does postseason play matter?*

    · It was cool that Japan and Korea played in WBC final. It’s a testament to the idea that running the bases, playing defense, bunting and having the pitcher throw breaking pitches at any point in the count actually works. They play baseball now the way Americans did back in the 1950s and 60s.

    The Asian players have style, don’t they? Ichiro is a bad ass.

    *The game last night was everything that’s right with baseball*

    · That said, what incentive is there for MLB teams to keep supporting this event? Derek Jeter has been gone from the Yankees since March 2. He’s had a grand total of 29 at-bats and played six games in the field.

    *Why does the Premeir League, La Liga, Seria A, etc support the FIFA world cup?*

    · Yu Darvish? Yu gotta throw strikes, son. Meanwhile, Korea’s Bum Ho Lee has the greatest name in baseball.

    *Dude, I think I’ve got a major crush on this kid. I’m a woman. I’m allowed.*

    · T-Kep, Sandy and I tried to come up with a French WBC team during the rain delay on Monday in Clearwater. We decided the WBC “rules” would certainly allow Juan Pierre on the roster.

    *What about making a team of former Expos?*

    · CC Sabathia actually holds runners. He looks at them, slide steps and everything. This is something no Yankees starter (outside of Mike Mussina) has done in years with any degree of care. No wonder Jorge Posada blew out his shoulder.

    *I thought Andy always did a fairly good job of holding runners on…*

    · I’d like to see Austin Jackson and Brett Gardner on the same team. You can’t keep up with the Rays with the same old geezers.

    *Me too.*

    · Scouts from other teams rave about how much pitching the Yankees have in their system and the talent of the players who were with Single-A Charleston last season.

    *So have we, on this blog*

    · i find the idea that Derek Jeter should go play the outfield to be ridiculous. We have no idea if he can as he’s literally never played there a day in his life. So his lack of range at shortstop will disappear in the outfield?

    He’s your shortstop until his contract expires after the 2010 season. Then you have two choices: Bid him a fond farewell or offer him some sort of DH/super utility role at a respectful salary.

    The Yankees painted themselves into a corner when they signed Posada for four years, A-Rod for 10 (Seriously, great idea Hank. Just excellent.) and Mark Teixeira for eight. You can’t move Jeter to first or third and Posada isn’t going to be an everyday catcher forever. He’ll DH at some point.

    *It’s going to be a really really really crazy offseason when it does happen. It’s a huge issue. Do you let Jeter resign to get 3000 hits or has he lost his value to the team by then? Already he doesn’t really hit with the same authority which leads to more GIDP.*

    NON-BASEBALL MATTERS

    · The NCAA tournament has been sort of boring so far. Of the top 16 seeds, 14 made it to the Sweet 16. The other two are fifth-seeded Purdue and Arizona, a powerhouse program that landed a No. 12 seed. My Final Four — Pitt, Oklahoma, Michigan State and Missouri — is alive.

    *LET’S GO ORANGE!!! SWEET SIXTEEN BABY!!! I know Johnny Flynn has always been good, but I am amazed at how much Devendorf has developed since he was a Freshman. My final four–Pitt, Louisville, Missouri and UNC is still alive as well.*

    · It’s hard to take the NCAA women’s tournament seriously when seventh-seeded Rutgers hosts second-seeded Auburn in the second round. How is that fair?

    *At least the NCAA Women’s tournament has, you know, been exciting*

    · Somebody needs to tell Jay Cutler that he’s not good enough to complain about the Broncos looking at other quarterbacks.

    *Which means he’s perfect for the Jets*

    · The new Facebook layout is egregiously awful. I spend easily 50 percent less time on the site as a result.

    *You get used to it.*

  22. Mark in Tampa March 24th, 2009 at 9:56 am

    Runners have seemed to run more on Pettitte the last couple of years because of Giambi at first. They could afford to guess, and if he goes home, they steal easily. If he goes to first, they still have a chance on Giambi’s arm. With Tex over there, I don’t think runners will be able to guess because Tex will throw them out 99% of the time.

  23. John in Ohio March 24th, 2009 at 9:58 am

    Rebecca is on her third cup of coffee….at least.

  24. ANSKY March 24th, 2009 at 9:58 am

    Slu – “As far as Jeter, what about playing him at 2nd and moving Cano to left?”

    Until Cano can shed the ‘Caddilac Cano’ approach, I’m not convinced he’ll ever cover enough ground in the OF. That’s besides the point of whether of not it’s a good idea to be moving players around in the first place. Some points of view seem to suggest an opinion that the team would be better with virtually everyone from the same lineup playing different positions. While it works occasionally, it’s not a universal solution.

  25. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother March 24th, 2009 at 10:01 am

    True and good point, Mark in T.

    More to the picture than Andy when discussing this kind of thing.

    Giambi’s D, Posada’s arm, come into play.
    When Molina caught I would bet his success at holding runners probably improved. And with Tex there that should help too.

  26. jimmy1138 March 24th, 2009 at 10:01 am

    Baseball in the 50s and 60s was different because almost every rule change since then favored hitters. In Asia the balls are obviously less slippery than in the big leagues (one reason cited for Darvish’s control problems in the WBC).
    Speaking of Darvish: he’s got good velocity (though the 108mph in the semis might be due to a broken gun), great pitches (though he lacked control) and a great presence on the mound (with Joba like celebrations). And he’s just 22. That’s one of the reasons why the WBC is a great things: you see young talented players like the Cubans (due to political reasons), Japanese or Koreans who cannot (or do not want to) come to the big leagues any time soon.

  27. Christina March 24th, 2009 at 10:02 am

    Well hello Rebecca. You want to write my paper that due in a few hours for me? You seem to have more energy then I do.

  28. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother March 24th, 2009 at 10:02 am

    Rebecca with a Dave-like post.
    Though she does use paragraphs and bold lettering…

  29. Mark in Tampa March 24th, 2009 at 10:02 am

    I would love to see a 2010 outfield of Gardner in left, Ajax in center and Holliday in right. The Yanks would still have the power bats with Arod, Tex, Holliday, and Posada; but they would be adding great speed and defense by having Gardner and Jackson in there. You put Gardner in left because of the ground that needs to be covered in Yankee Stadium.

  30. Bill March 24th, 2009 at 10:05 am

    Mark in Tampa, Agreed that would be a good combo of speed & power. I’d like to see it. So would the NYY pitchers, anything hit to OF would be caught!

  31. Steve B March 24th, 2009 at 10:08 am

    “When Molina caught I would bet his success at holding runners probably improved.”

    Would be basestealers were 10 for 12 when the battery was Pettitte/Molina. Given that Molina tossed out 42% of would be basestealers last season, I’m putting that on Pettitte.

    Yanks have been either 1st or 2nd in attempted steals against the past two seasons and it’s been on the pitchers.

  32. Rebecca-Optimist Prime...Staying to Write the Story March 24th, 2009 at 10:09 am

    Actually, John, I just woke up. I figured I haven’t posted here in a while so I might as well make it a good one. Not that you’ve missed me or anything.

  33. Mark in Tampa March 24th, 2009 at 10:09 am

    I don’t see why moving Cano makes any sense. He is the smoothest Yankee turning a double play since Willie Randolph. The pivot at second base is totally different than the double play turn from shortstop. Not sure Jeter could make that switch any easier than the switch to the OF. So, we would be weakening defense at second base and one of the outfield positions, weakening offense at three positions, to keep Jeter around as a living monument. Doesn’t sound to me like that is in the best interests of winning, which is always Jeter’s emphatically stated only goal.

  34. E-gawa March 24th, 2009 at 10:11 am

    Freaking Ticketmaster SUCKS

  35. John in Ohio March 24th, 2009 at 10:12 am

    Well then Rebecca, Good Morning. You’ve made up for lost time with a comprehensive post summarizing your thoughts on all the morning’s topics. Bravo, young lady!

  36. John in Ohio March 24th, 2009 at 10:12 am

    Well then Rebecca, Good Morning. You’ve made up for lost time with a comprehensive post summarizing your thoughts on all the morning’s topics. Bravo, young lady!

  37. Bill March 24th, 2009 at 10:13 am

    Re: Pete’s 25 man roster from earlier post; Scary but I picked the same as he did. Maybe I spend too much time on this blog :) I can see NYY moving Geise off 40 man to make room for Tomko since they are competing for same spot. As far as backup inf, none of Berroa, Pena or nunez are on 40 man, a move would have to be made. Seems to me Miranda would make sense. With Tex & Swisher, he’ll never play for NYY. It would be a shame for SWB to lose such a good AAA hitter if another team took him, but they could find a 1Bman.

  38. YanksinCA March 24th, 2009 at 10:15 am

    I hope some of you guys can help. If I want to watch the Yankees this year I have to sign up for Extra Innings on Comcast (in CA). I just wanted to make sure that they show a lot of Yankees games before I pay the $$. Any input will help. I’m not too devastated by not being in HD, but I just want to make sure they’re on tv most (if not all) nights.

  39. emac2 March 24th, 2009 at 10:16 am

    I hear you don’t like the idea that Hank wanted Arod signed.

    Are you sure this has always been your position? I clearly remember a day when you didn’t mention that in your blog so I’m not positive where you stand. Could you continue to be clear with your position every day so we know if you change your mind?

    It might even be funny after a few hundred more plays.

  40. E-gawa March 24th, 2009 at 10:18 am

    unbelievable.. I had Red Sox/Yankees tickets “reserved”.. when I went to buy them, the page timed out and I got an error message.. When I hit the back button, I got nothing. Now their are no affordable tickets left for that game.

  41. Bronx Jeers March 24th, 2009 at 10:18 am

    “So his lack of range at shortstop will disappear in the outfield?”

    —————————————–

    From yesterday:

    Bronx Jeers
    March 23rd, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    Sometimes I feel I’m missing something and I wish for someone could explain this…but
    I don’t see how a guy who no longer has the agility to play SS can be an effective outfielder.

    Essentially Jeter has no “jump” in his move going left. Was always behind the curve in the first place. Is this not a necessary skill for an OF?

    ————————————————-

    The Jeter to the outfield plan has been circulating on this blog fo a long time. I guess with Jeter’s shoddy defense in the WBC it’s time to dust it off again.

    Personally, I am still waiting for someone to explain how it’s supposed to work.

  42. Cal March 24th, 2009 at 10:19 am

    “He’s your shortstop until his contract expires after the 2010 season. Then you have two choices: Bid him a fond farewell or offer him some sort of DH/super utility role at a respectful salary.
    The Yankees painted themselves into a corner when they signed Posada for four years, A-Rod for 10 (Seriously, great idea Hank. Just excellent.) and Mark Teixeira for eight. You can’t move Jeter to first or third and Posada isn’t going to be an everyday catcher forever. He’ll DH at some point.”

    +++ So what you are saying Pete is the Yankees shouldn’t have gotten either guy right, just keeping that spot at the two corners warm and ready for that day that Derek is suppose to just slide right into it, sheesh.

    Robin Yount moved from SS to CF, Derek Jeter is an athlete first and foremost what makes you think he couldn’t move to LF, Jorge will DH and that is that.

    I’m not denying Derek has range issues at this point of his career but the way some writers went on at the WBC was beyond the pale, you would think Derek was clueless at short and Team USA had no business having him on the squad.

    But I guess you’re right Pete the Yankees should not have given out long term deals to two superstar players because they should have kept that spot open for Derek. Then of course the writers out there would have been moaning about having some stiff playing at third or first, just like they are now about Cabrera and Melky, and how those guys are not the stuff of championship teams.

    Its always a two way street for people when it comes to the Yankees, they complain that the Yankees always get the big names, then when they don’t have a big name they assume that guy is garbage and the Yankees can’t win.

  43. Steve B March 24th, 2009 at 10:19 am

    Yanks in CA:

    Go with the Extra Innings package. You’ll get most of the games. Only exceptions are when FOX has national rights. For example, if the Yankees have a Saturday 1 PM game, and the FOX game is Cubs/Cardinals at the same time, I don’t believe the Yankees game will be available. Otherwise, pretty much all the games can be seen.

  44. Cal March 24th, 2009 at 10:20 am

    “just like they are now about Cabrera and Melky, and how those guys are not the stuff of championship teams.”

    make that Gardner and Melky

  45. Tim Sherman March 24th, 2009 at 10:21 am

    So what would your solution to the Jeter “problem” be? Leave him at short and let him continue to kill the team defensively and cost them runs game after game? I say screw his ego. He should have moved to third years ago when A-Rod came over if he really was captain material. A-Rod is still a better shortsop than Jeter and he certainly was when he came over. I am tired of seeing easy double play balls to Jeter’s left just skip on by into left center. He is a defensive liability and they need to do something about it. Nothing personal, I actually like Jeter, but for the good of the team, he needs to move. He needs to move and if he can’t play center field or another outfield position by next year, then he already is a utility guy. He’s not good enough offensively any more to rate special treatment. This team needs to play better defense and he is killing them.

  46. Greg March 24th, 2009 at 10:22 am

    Compared to LOST!, nothing but baseball can be considered all-consuming.

  47. RussW210 March 24th, 2009 at 10:23 am

    I think Jeter to 2nd is easier than Jeter to the OF. He doesn’t have ZERO range, it is just diminished. With a good-range shortstop to cover up the middle and Tex with his range at first Jeter and his flip throw will work well to 2nd base. The most cringe-worthy I have been with Jeter lately is his off-throws to first and being closer to the two big action bags I think will actually help him. Shortstop, for a guy in the league as long as Jeter, to second base is not THAT big a move.

  48. RussW210 March 24th, 2009 at 10:25 am

    “He should have moved to third years ago when A-Rod came over if he really was captain material.”

    He should move to second. Jeters arm strength isn’t what it used to be so you wanna move him further from the first?

  49. John in Ohio March 24th, 2009 at 10:25 am

    In the spirit of Pete’s “Non-Baseball Matters”…

    Was there any mention in the New York papers of the passing of Howard “Butch” Komives? Komives led the nation in scoring one year out of Bowling Green (where he played with Nate Thurmond), and was drafted by the Knicks.

    He played five years there, before being traded to the Pistons as part of the deal which sent Dave DeBusschere (sp?) to the Knicks. Injuries, particularly to his knees, forced retirement after a 10-year NBA career.

    Komives was a high school and college legend here in NW Ohio. He passed away Sunday at the age of 67.

  50. Steve B March 24th, 2009 at 10:26 am

    “He should move to second. Jeters arm strength isn’t what it used to be so you wanna move him further from the first?”

    Throw from 3rd is generally shorter than the throw from short.

  51. Cal March 24th, 2009 at 10:26 am

    I think Derek will wind up in LF and he will have to accept that fact at some point, is now the time though. I don’t know why we keep saying CF.

    I guess it was the assertion of Pete that signing Arod and Teixeira to long term deals has hurt moving Jeter, the Yankees wouldn’t have had any of those guys if they hadn’t given out long term deals, so that is besides the point, unless he was saying don’t get either of them. I mean those guys weren’t signing 1 and 2 year deals with anyone. I mean these guys aren’t Bobby Abreau

  52. Mark in Tampa March 24th, 2009 at 10:29 am

    Yanksin CA,

    I have gotten extra innings every year since ’03. The only games not shown are Saturday 1:00 and 4:00 games, and blackouts when the Yanks play the hometown teams. But, if you are in the Anaheim or Oakland areas, you will just watch those local broadcasts. Last year, Brighthouse networks started showing 1 HD game every night, the Yanks and Red Sox had more than their fair share of those. Hopefully, they add another HD channel or two this year. Well worth the money if you can afford it and don’t live in the local New York area.

  53. Steve B March 24th, 2009 at 10:31 am

    Cal:

    Yankees may have served themselves well to see what the market for Arod would be like before taking that plunge. Doubt anyone was going 10 years or $30M per.

  54. Josie March 24th, 2009 at 10:34 am

    I agree about FNL. My question is, have you asked Minka to sign your DVDs? Maybe Derek can take care of that for you.
    She’s cute but she is the weakest link on this great show.

  55. Cal March 24th, 2009 at 10:35 am

    “Yankees may have served themselves well to see what the market for Arod would be like before taking that plunge. Doubt anyone was going 10 years or $30M per”

    It was still going to be a multi year deal, the only sense I could see Pete’s logic making is to not resign Arod, which I think is his sentiment, knowing how he always has some cracks to poke at any Arod subject matter, hence the thanks Hank statement.

    Any deal that Arod signed would have still gone past 2010, so unless the Yankees didn’t resign him, the statements of Pete has no validity to the subject of Derek Jeter and a position change. The same applies for Teixeira, so I guess my question is where is the beef, Pete. What should the Yankees have done exactly when Arod was a free agent (I think I know Pete’s answer) and Teixeira.

  56. Coach6423 March 24th, 2009 at 10:37 am

    There is a reason why guys like Adam Dunn, Jeff Franceur, Vlad Guerrero are not infielders. Are you telling me that Jeter, can not play as effective in the OF as these guys?

  57. JT March 24th, 2009 at 10:39 am

    As someone who played 3B, SS, 2B, and OF most of his life – and spent a lot of time at each position, I see Jeter making most sense in LF down the line. The guy has OFer instincts, even if he’s never played there. OFs back off him now on those short pop ups because he is so good at tracking fly balls. (unlike A-Rod, for instance, who would definitely struggle at first in the OF) You don’t need the same kind of first step in the OF, that you do at SS. I guarantee you Jeter has a better first jump than half the current major league OFs. Given his ability to track down a fly ball, I’m convinced he’ll be a natural in LF and taking great routes to the ball, will help offset a first step that is not the best. Right now, I think he would be a better OFer than Cabrera and Nady – simply on instincts and a natural ability to track a fly ball. And he’s Jeter, he’ll do all the fundamentals right. I guarantee he never misses a cut-off man. (cue the “he’ll need it with that arm” jokes)

  58. Mark in Tampa March 24th, 2009 at 10:39 am

    The question of range in the outfield vs. range on the infield is speed vs. quickness. If you have lost that quick first step, you will look like a statue on the infield. But, you can have pretty good range in the outfield with decent speed. Look at Bernie Williams: he never had that real quick first step, but he had very good range in his younger days. But, even at 25 yo, he would have had awful range playing infield.

    The real issue is that when Jeter can no longer play short his value to the team is gone. Any move is a compromise that will hurt the team either offensively or defensively, and probably both. It is just the reality of an aging player. The way I see it, however, he is still the 4th best shortstop in the game.(Hanley, Reyes, and Rollins) Nothing wrong with that until something better comes along.

  59. Cal March 24th, 2009 at 10:41 am

    “There is a reason why guys like Adam Dunn, Jeff Franceur, Vlad Guerrero are not infielders. Are you telling me that Jeter, can not play as effective in the OF as these guys?”

    Exactly which makes me wonder what exactly is the angle of Pete’s claims about we don’t know if Derek can play the OF, ?????????, are you telling me that Derek Jeter can’t track a flyball off the bat and is/was an MLB superstar.

    Countless guys have moved from the IF to the OF, the notion that Derek might not be able to play the OF, when the time to move him from short comes is very tenuous at best.

  60. JT March 24th, 2009 at 10:41 am

    Bronx Jeers, that post was for you.

  61. V March 24th, 2009 at 10:44 am

    Well, no tickets for me direct from the Yankees.

    I made the mistake of doing ‘best available’ and being given the ‘opportunity’ to purchase $2,625 tickets! WTH!?

    As for field level, I’d rather fly to London ($312 round trip) and go to a single game for $375.

    Stub Hub it is, this season.

  62. Art Vandelay March 24th, 2009 at 10:50 am

    Curt Schilling will not be missed. He’ll probably turn up as a talking head on ESPN. That means we’ll probably miss him pitching against the Yankees. The man’s entitled to having and expressing opinions but he takes himself way too seriously.

  63. Benny (junior mint) Blanco March 24th, 2009 at 10:50 am

    what do you guys think Brett Gardner’s BA will be after the first month? I’ll say 270-290 with 340 OBP.

  64. Coach6423 March 24th, 2009 at 10:53 am

    Im 6’0, 290. I have to play short sometimes due to the ss not showing up. That is fairly difficult for me. Now, when not playing short, I play LF. I play this fairly well. Im pretty sure DJ, can handle LF.

  65. Trevor March 24th, 2009 at 10:54 am

    Austin Jackson & Brett Gardner should be 2/3 of a good defensive outfield. Who knows maybe we see that later in the year.

  66. number 2 for prez March 24th, 2009 at 10:55 am

    A-rod to short….Jeter to 3rd….2011

  67. Jay March 24th, 2009 at 10:56 am

    Tim Sherman (above) NAILS it. Here’s his post again:

    Tim Sherman
    March 24th, 2009 at 10:21 am
    So what would your solution to the Jeter “problem” be? Leave him at short and let him continue to kill the team defensively and cost them runs game after game? I say screw his ego. He should have moved to third years ago when A-Rod came over if he really was captain material. A-Rod is still a better shortsop than Jeter and he certainly was when he came over. I am tired of seeing easy double play balls to Jeter’s left just skip on by into left center. He is a defensive liability and they need to do something about it. Nothing personal, I actually like Jeter, but for the good of the team, he needs to move. He needs to move and if he can’t play center field or another outfield position by next year, then he already is a utility guy. He’s not good enough offensively any more to rate special treatment. This team needs to play better defense and he is killing them.

    Like Tim says, if Jeter were captain material, he would have offered to move positions when A-Rod arrived. And he certainly would have made him feel more welcome. Talk about dereliction of duty!!

    And with all of his talk about winning coming first, by letting his pride and his negative feelings/rivalry with A-Rod prevail over his duties as captain, Jeter is being a hypocrite, too.

  68. Coach6423 March 24th, 2009 at 10:56 am

    “A-rod to short….Jeter to 3rd….2011″

    Better shot at moving Tex to 3rd and Arod to 1st than that.

  69. Jason March 24th, 2009 at 10:57 am

    Does anyone know where I can find Curt Schilling’s Sept. 11 letter? This is the first I’ve heard of it, and I’m sure it’s about as self-serving as everything he’s ever done in his career. I just need to see it to believe it.

  70. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes March 24th, 2009 at 10:57 am

    “It’s a testament to the idea that running the bases, playing defense, *bunting* and having the pitcher throw breaking pitches at any point in the count actually works.”

    Interesting…I remember Peter referring to bunting as “false hustle” a year or so ago…

  71. jennifer March 24th, 2009 at 10:58 am

    Ticketmaster stinks. The cubs game is coming up regular season prices. This is awful.

  72. Andrew March 24th, 2009 at 11:00 am

    If Gardner posts something around or (hopefully) over .250/.330/.340 while causing his havoc on the bases and tracking everything down in CF, it will be a step in the right direction.

  73. Betsy March 24th, 2009 at 11:03 am

    Sure, it was a really bad move to sign Tex long-term, Pete.

    Also, now the Yankees can’t compete with the Rays because they are an older team? Ok – there won’t be much point to reading Pete’s ST preview. We already know that he thinks the Yankees have a large amount of major question marks (while the Sox and Rays have none or few) – now they are too old to even take the field. It’s amazing how bad the Yankees became from the time they signed Tex until now. After Tex, the Yankees were considered one of the top favorites for the WS – now, without one game having been plaid, they are a decrepit team with many flaws and few positives. It’s not just Pete who thinks this – read all the articles from the Jayson Starks of the world. I can’t wait until the season starts already…..

  74. S.A.-The 2009 MLB season is almost here March 24th, 2009 at 11:03 am

    Posting this in case anyone is interested.

    I started a second chance brackets group on yahoo for the NCAA tourney. Open to anyone

    http://tournament.fantasysports.yahoo.com/t2

    group ID# is 9401
    password is: yankees

  75. YankeeFan4Eva March 24th, 2009 at 11:03 am

    i just tried purchasing tickets and everything is slow and over $350

  76. Steve B March 24th, 2009 at 11:04 am

    Jason:

    Schilling’s 9/11 missive below:

    To the fans of Major League Baseball, and the victims and families of Tuesday’s terrorist attacks in New York and Washington D.C.,

    I’d like to start off by saying that what I am writing is purely my opinion, and my family’s feelings on these issues. I am not speaking for any other players in baseball, or in any other sport across our nation or around the world.

    I’ll begin by addressing the trivial items addressed late this week as far as our sport is concerned. The decision made by Commissioner Bud Selig on Thursday afternoon to resume games on Monday was one overwhelmingly favored by the Major League players. In our conference call on Thursday I got the impression that players, just like every other American citizen out there, didn’t need baseball right now, and it was probably best said by Jerome Bettis when he stated that, “We are entertainers, and I don’t think America wants to be entertained right now.”

    I believe that we all felt this way, and hope that the few people in this country who wanted us to play understand that we made the decision as citizens of this country, not as baseball players.

    To the victims and families of the tragedies inflicted on us this past week we send our hearts out to you, and our prayers that you will find some comfort, some solace in the coming weeks as this great country gets up on its feet and defends itself as the world’s greatest nation, with the world’s greatest people.

    Like a lot of people, my thoughts Tuesday afternoon steered towards revenge, retaliation, retribution, in just how hard we could hit back.

    My first cognizant thought was “Man did they pick on the wrong country.” Then, after watching TV, I began to realize that not only did they pick on the wrong country, but they couldn’t have picked a worse target. There is no city on this planet that more represents its nation than New York does in the United States. New York is the true definition of a melting pot. Every race, religion and color are represented in New York, and on Tuesday you saw every race, every religion, every color, come together as one nation of people fighting for one common goal — to save lives. I can honestly tell you that I have never been as proud to be an American as I was that day, to see the men and women of this great country come together and pour their blood, sweat and tears into saving those that could be saved. They continue to do so today, and with no less effort. That in and of itself should make us proud as hell.

    My wife Shonda, and our three young children stepped outside on Friday at 7 p.m., lit a candle and prayed together. We prayed that those heroic men and women of the NYPD, FDNY and the U.S. Government that sacrificed their lives in the minutes following the first explosion at the World Trade Center are now in a safe and beautiful place.

    To those families that lost loved ones in the NYPD and in the FDNY, I can only offer our sincerest thank you. Please know that athletes in this country look to your husbands and wives as they may have looked at the men of our profession when they were young, as heroes, as idols, for they are everything every man should strive to be in life and they died in a way reserved only for those who would make the ultimate sacrifice for this nation, and for the freedom we oftentimes take for granted.

    Words cannot heal your wounds, not even time will heal the wounds for those who have suffered loss this week. But other than money and blood, which I hope the players in MLB will be giving of both, it is all we have to offer.

    We will step on the fields of Major League Baseball on Monday night, but please know that we are not doing this as an aversion to forget what happened on Tuesday. Nothing will ever make us forget that day. But we are doing so because it is our jobs, and I honestly feel that if you do have a chance to catch a few minutes of a game, and see every sports fan in every stadium stand for that initial moment of silence, and understand when we do so that we do so for you, and for your families. And in the seventh-inning stretch when this nation sings God Bless America, we do so because we can, because in this country men and woman have died so that we can continue on as a free nation, and we will be thinking of you then also.

    And it’s my belief that if you watch close enough you will see players, many players in fact, trying in some small way to say thank you, and that we won’t forget you or your loved ones as some of us will have messages scrawled somewhere on our hats or uniforms that you can read.

    We will proudly wear the great flag of this country on our uniforms, and it’s something I hope baseball adopts forever.

    The flags in this country fly at half-staff to honor those that have fallen, but the flags are the only thing going half way in this country and it’s my belief that that will not change. I believe our president when he says retribution will be swift and total, as an American it’s all I can go on but based on what I have seen done these past few days being done by other Americans it’s more than enough.

    To those out there that serve in the military, and to those with children serving in the military I offer my sincerest thanks, and our prayers are with you and yours in the days and weeks to come. We know you’ll do us proud.

    In closing let me say God Bless America and God Bless Americans everywhere.

  77. Rishi March 24th, 2009 at 11:08 am

    thanks for posting that, Steve

  78. jennifer March 24th, 2009 at 11:10 am

    I called ticketmaster. They are a bunch of idiots. The guy says to me well maybe all the tickets at that price are sold out. I said all the tickets are cheap. He says well wait till tomorrow, when the tickets go on sale over the phone. I said I don’t want to wait, I’ll get shut out! I am also not going to put through a charge for over $400 when the tickets should cost $15. Total and utter jerks. I am so ticked right now!

  79. Jay March 24th, 2009 at 11:14 am

    Another poster asked what the Yankees were supposed to do when it came time to renegotiate with A-Rod. Well, here are what I think are two MUCH better choices than giving him a 10-year contract worth between $270 and $300 million:

    (1) Sign him to an extension, but don’t pay WAY more money and WAY more years than any other team would have given him. I have heard no evidence that any other team would have been willing to exceed $20 million for 10 years or a few million more for six or seven years. During the last half of that contract, it will be an anchor around the neck of the Yankees that will make any other contract that they’ve ever suffered through seem like a feather by comparison.

    (2) NOT to sign him. This radical idea — one often used by the Yankees’ rival to the north which has kicked their ass so badly in recent years in large part because of their relative absence of albatross contracts around their necks and much better judgement in what they’ve paid and to whom — would have been far superior to squandering $30 million per year in years six to ten of his contract and, of course, is no fault of A-Rod, but entirely the fault of the Steinbrenners. (Reportedly, Cashman knew better and was pushing hard against the new contract with A-Rod.)

  80. RustyJohn March 24th, 2009 at 11:15 am

    Being stuck in Seattle has few benefits, but one of them is being able to watch Ichiro- Ichiro is cooler than cool. He is in the realm of coolness reserved for people like Liam Gallagher- he looks cool just standing around and doing nothing.

    Ichiro gets first place on my All-Cool team- with El Duque coming in second.

  81. Stephen March 24th, 2009 at 11:16 am

    The 2013 Hall of Fame ballot will be interesting. Maddux, Mussina and Schilling.

  82. 86w183 March 24th, 2009 at 11:18 am

    There’s no question in my mind that Jeter could make the switch to LF and probably should as early as next year. Of course, there’s no reason for him to move until/unless the Yanks acquire a player who would be an improvement and frankly, there are not that many who qualify in that regard.

    Matt Holliday is a helluva hitter, but mediocre at best OF. I see no way he can play RF acceptably. Rick Ankiel, however probably could.

    Schilling has great post-season numbers, but his regular season numbers are nowhere near Cooperstown quality. He certainly shoud not get in over Mussina, Blyleven, Kaat and Tommy John.

  83. GreenBeret7 March 24th, 2009 at 11:21 am

    Before extolling Mussina’s ability to hold runners on base and stop the running game, it would be better to look at the numbers first. He hadn’t stopped the base running since 2004.

  84. E-gawa March 24th, 2009 at 11:22 am

    Awesome.. I got on here an hour early.. had the pages all set up with ticketmaster and the best I could do was 4 $5 +$3.50 “Convenience charge” tickets to a Sept 28th game against the royals.

    I hate ticketmaster. I really do.

  85. 86w183 March 24th, 2009 at 11:22 am

    Actually since Schilling did not pitch last year he’ll be on the ballot a year before Mussina and Maddux

  86. Donna March 24th, 2009 at 11:23 am

    If the Yankees were to ever disrespect Derek Jeter after giving silly contracts to Posada and Mo and keeping around ARoid, the only people you’ll see at games are the kids who became fans in 2004.

  87. Steve B March 24th, 2009 at 11:23 am

    “The 2013 Hall of Fame ballot will be interesting. Maddux, Mussina and Schilling.”

    I’d guess Maddux goes alone among that group the 1st time out.

  88. Glenn March 24th, 2009 at 11:26 am

    I agree with Peter. Eduardo Nunez has been a surprise in spring training and should be watched this year.
    If he starts well in Trenton he’ll be moved up to AAA. He could be the fastest rising shortstop in the system if he stays on target.

  89. Steve B March 24th, 2009 at 11:28 am

    “Schilling has great post-season numbers, but his regular season numbers are nowhere near Cooperstown quality. He certainly shoud not get in over Mussina, Blyleven, Kaat and Tommy John.”

    Schilling should definitely get in over Kaat and John. Neither are particularly close.

    More I look at Blyleven, the more I think he’s getting hosed.

  90. GdaMac March 24th, 2009 at 11:28 am

    Move Jeter to 3rd and A-Rod back to short. Why not?

  91. GreenBeret7 March 24th, 2009 at 11:31 am

    Until Luis Nunez, Eduardo Nunez and Ramiro Pena learn to field at a major league quality and hit at least .260-.270, they’re not much more than utility players, except for Pena, who’s never played and position except shortstop, and, he’s not that good there (defensively).

  92. Rishi March 24th, 2009 at 11:31 am

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....es_ve.html

    Gardner+ Pedroia??

  93. jennifer March 24th, 2009 at 11:31 am

    where is section “audi” ?

  94. Coach6423 March 24th, 2009 at 11:31 am

    Because Arod is not a middle infielder anymore. He is a corner infielder.

  95. GreenBeret7 March 24th, 2009 at 11:32 am

    In 20 ML seasons, Schilling has a losing record in 9 of them. Hardly a HOF number.

  96. Rishi March 24th, 2009 at 11:33 am

    that should be an =

  97. Rishi March 24th, 2009 at 11:35 am

    Jennifer – I was wondering the same thing when i was looking for tickets this morning…luckily a season-ticket holding friend got me may 3rd and is probably going to sell us a yankee-red sox game in September

  98. GVR March 24th, 2009 at 11:36 am

    I kind of think A-Rod still has the ability to play short, but I don’t see the point in moving him back for a couple seasons and then moving him to another position because he’s too old/slow.

    ESPN just predicted the Yankees opening day line-up with Melky at CF.

  99. Patrick March 24th, 2009 at 11:37 am

    “Gardner= Pedroia?? ”

    That article is really dumb. The only similarity between Pedroia and Gardner is that they are both small white guys.

  100. Bronx Jeers March 24th, 2009 at 11:38 am

    thanks JT,

    That was pretty much what I was looking for.

    Actually a lot of guys chimed in and it’s all welcome input.

    LF at Yankee Stadium is a big place. If that’s where he ends up( And I’ll assume that he gets picked up for a few years) so be it.

    But to the one guy who argued that if Dunn could do it, Jeter can, I’m sorry but that doesn’t exactly inspire confidence.

    Did you guys see that play Dunn made (actually he didn’t make) the other night. Among the worst plays I’ve ever seen. At least the ball bouncing off Canseco’s head for a HR was entertaining.
    Man the US looked pretty old that 1/2 inning. It irks me that Japan won again.

  101. Jason March 24th, 2009 at 11:39 am

    Single ticket sales went on sale today. I tried a number of different Saturday games throughout the season. I couldn’t get two bleacher, grandstand or terrace seats for any of them. Those were the only tickets that were in my budget (under $70 each). When I tried “best available” all I could get was $350+ seats. I hope this new stadium doesn’t price out the every day fan from all weekend games. I’ll have to try stub hub.

  102. Steve B March 24th, 2009 at 11:39 am

    “In 20 ML seasons, Schilling has a losing record in 9 of them. Hardly a HOF number.”

    Win-loss record is a pretty weak measure. Lot hinges on the teams you’re playing with.

    Heard somebody advocate Kaat. Why Kaat over Schilling? Schilling had a better winning percentage. Better WHIP. Better ERA. More K’s and fewer walks. Schilling was great in the postseason, Kaat was crap. Schilling’s ERA+ was 127 while Kaat’s was 107. Aside from the fact that Kaat fielded his position well and is a good colorman while Schilling is a loudmouth asshat, how could one possibly argue Kaat over Schilling?

  103. gayle March 24th, 2009 at 11:42 am

    Very excited just managed to snag a single ticket via the public on sale to the Cubs game on friday night section 18 row 1 meaning right behind the plate. Great thing that Yankees are doing by reducing the price of all seats for these games.

  104. GreenBeret7 March 24th, 2009 at 11:43 am

    Steve B
    March 24th, 2009 at 11:39 am
    “In 20 ML seasons, Schilling has a losing record in 9 of them. Hardly a HOF number.”

    Win-loss record is a pretty weak measure. Lot hinges on the teams you’re playing with.

    ————————————————————

    The HOF is totally based on numbers. Why else is Don Mattingly locked out? Or, Ron Guidry, who was better in his 14 years than Schilling.

  105. Luds March 24th, 2009 at 11:44 am

    Cutler not good enough? What? And you don’t think that the Jets would give up all their players for a shot at him?

    I’m really looking forwards to see how Cano does this year. If he lives up to his .300+ BA or not. Could be his last season if he doesn’t. This could be where Jeter moves to…

  106. 7*7 March 24th, 2009 at 11:46 am

    I agree with Pete… we need some speed and athleticism if we want to keep up with the Rays. Jackson and Gardner in the OF!

  107. 86w183 March 24th, 2009 at 11:47 am

    I hope Hall of Fame voters take the time to consider AL versus NL stats in evaluating pitchers… and hitters, too for that matter.

    While Schilling had most of his success in the NL Mussina had to perform in baseball’s better league and best division most of his career. Still, he has 54 more wins and only 7 more losses. He has 17 seasons of 10+ wins compared with Schilling’s 10 such campagins.

    Schilling in the AL…. 53-29 (12) 4.00 awesome, right!

    Not saying he wasn’t a great pitcher, he was… for about seven of his 20 seasons. The media love affair with him is based on his personality, post-season success and bloody sock… not a rational assessment of his entire career. Read Jason Stark’s column focusing on his “healthy” seasons is proof.

  108. jennifer March 24th, 2009 at 11:47 am

    gayle- What did you ticket price come up as?

  109. RussW210 March 24th, 2009 at 11:51 am

    I love articles like that Rishi. Gardner = CF

  110. Seth March 24th, 2009 at 11:51 am

    Won’t Swisher be pinch hitting on most nights for Gardner? (Especially if we carry Melky on the bench)

    He’ll get his ABs. Though if he stops acting energetic and pouts, then he’ll probably be traded.

  111. Steve B March 24th, 2009 at 11:55 am

    “The HOF is totally based on numbers. Why else is Don Mattingly locked out? Or, Ron Guidry, who was better in his 14 years than Schilling.”

    Agree with your numbers argument, though you seem to harp on certain numbers in particular. In reality, were any of Guidry’s numbers better than Schilling’s besides winning percentage? Not that there’s anything wrong with winning percentage as a number, but I don’t think the HOF voters stop there. Guidry’s case is more comparable to Koufax’s for my money. He was a pretty special pitcher for a longer time than Koufax was, but not quite as special as Koufax.

  112. Thurman March 24th, 2009 at 11:56 am

    OK, let’s start talking about some serious trades. It’s pretty obvious that Gardner will win the CF job, notwithstanding his option. I think Girardi realizes that speed is the next big weapon. That leaves Melky as the odd man out.

    The Twins wanted him a couple years ago in the Santana trade and the Pirates wanted him last year in a variety of rumors.

    What does a package of Melky, Ian Kennedy, Kei Igawa and take-your-pick middle reliever get the Yankees?

    - Posada’s potential heir behind the plate?
    - Legitimate utility infielder (a la Swisher in the outfield and 1B)?
    - Crafty southpaw long reliever/spot starter?
    - Toss in Shelly Duncan and get Josh Kinney from the Cards?

    Just thinking out loud…

  113. gayle March 24th, 2009 at 11:57 am

    Jennifer $300.Yes I know pricey but I figured I will never be able to sit in that seat for a regular game and even though it is not official it is the first ever game there

  114. five iron from fenway March 24th, 2009 at 11:58 am

    GB7 – Where are your getting your information from?
    Ramiro Pena is purportedly one of the best defensive shortstops in the game. He needs to hit, but I do not think you will find a scout that will question his glove at short.
    E. Nunez – Same as above. Perhaps higher potential. Not quite as solid as Pena defensively but more potential.
    L. Nunez – not a concern.
    Angelini and lassiter – These are the two lower level guys to watch and Mojica if he comes back form injury.

  115. jennifer March 24th, 2009 at 11:59 am

    gayle- that is the wrong price. The most expensive ticket for the game was supposed to be $50. My friend has already emailed the Yankees regarding this. The tickets she ended up buying are in section “audi” and had a 65 facilities charge! The person she spoke to asked for an email and she was going to look into it.

  116. Jay March 24th, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    I’m not a fan of BaseballProspectus.com. But Jeter’s 2008 VORP — which I gather is supposed to be his estimated total net contribution from offense and defense — placed him squarely in the middle of the pack among starting shortstops last year.

    Here are the figures:

    Ramirez (Marlins) 78.6
    Reyes (Mets) 62.9
    Rollins (Phillies) 44.3
    Drew (Arizona) 43.0
    Hardy (Brewers) 39.7
    Peralta (Indians) 36.2
    Jeter (Yankees) 34.7
    Aviles (Royals) 34.5 (with over 120 fewer plate appearances, by the way)
    Guzman (Wash.) 34.1

    And factoring in plate appearances, he was near the BOTTOM. Of the 11 shortstops last year with the highest VORP and 600 or more plate appearances, he was #7 (out of 11!). So according to Baseball Prospectus, his total contribution last year put him well into the bottom half.

    But at least he played a lot and offered his sterling defense. Ooops. They show Jeter’s defense COSTING the Yankees over 60% of his net offensive contribution (above a replacement player).

    But of course, then there are his intangibles, being captain and doing whatever it takes to win — like putting personal considerations aside and offering to change positions for the good of the team and making A-Rod feel welcome to help the team win. Ooops. I guess not.

    But at least he sets a good example for the other players — especially the younger ones — with his exceptional work ethic and by his not staying out late and focusing on getting plenty of sleep and keeping up his conditioning during the season. Oops. I guess not. I suppose not everybody can be another Manny Ramirez.

    Well, at least he looks and acts cool playing Captain Intangible, gets lots of press and has most of the fans bamboozled. Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner.

  117. five iron from fenway March 24th, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    Thurman – The Yankees have multiple options for Posada’s heir. It is not a position of need. Cervelli, Pillitere, Anson can at least share the duties for the next two years until we see Romine, Montero and Higashoaka.
    Crafty southpaw – no need. Marte, Coke, Dunn, De le Rosa.
    I would suggest an outfield prospect.

  118. espresso March 24th, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    This talk of how filling first takes a spot from Posada or Jeter is silly. Both guys provide plus offense at their position, but not for 1st. Jeter is still a fairly fast runner especially compared to other corner ofers. His arm is better than Damon’s. He would be unique in that he has less power than most lf, but he gets a ton of hits still despite his struggles last year. My guess is that he would/will flourish.

  119. Jay March 24th, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    And he gives the papers an excuse to show photos of the pretty models on his arm out late during the season. Thank you, Derek.

  120. m March 24th, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    Great thoughts, Pete.

    On the Gardner thing, his tool s match up with Ellsbury. But his intangibles are like Pedroyer’s. A hybrid of the two would be great.

    Rishi, thanks for the article.

    That’s the first I heard that Cashman would like Gardner to win the job outright. I had assumed the opposite. But if roster spots aren’t a problem, I see them both making the team.

    Anyone? Is Austin Jackson having a better Spring than Fall?

  121. Oak Man March 24th, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    Not inconceivable that Gardner becomes our Pedroia

    He’s going have to outperform his ceiling though… we can’t just set the bar at a .260 avg with a .330 OBP. That might work for 1 yr but not long term.

  122. Oak Man March 24th, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    m -

    Jackson really struggled in the AFL. Doing much, much better this Spring.

  123. Cal March 24th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    “http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2009/03/23/2009-03-23_brett_gardner_could_grow_into_yankees_ve.html

    Gardner+ Pedroia??”

    Please next time warn us that its a “Mikie LupiCLOWN” link, only he would suggest such utter rubbish, the moment I clicked the article and saw his name I closed out the page.

    No Yankee fan takes this guy with any credibility when it comes to talking about the Yankees.

  124. StandingO'Neill March 24th, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    Jay…VORP doesn’t take defense into account, only offense. Look at WARP3 I believe for both offense and defense.

  125. m March 24th, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    Oak,

    Thanks. That’s what I thought. Looks like he’s back on the fast track. Hope he does well in Scranton.

  126. Cal March 24th, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    “Gardner= Pedroia?? ”

    “That article is really dumb. The only similarity between Pedroia and Gardner is that they are both small white guys.”

    LOL, would you expect anything less from that 4 eyed Yankee hating dork, nice glasses Lupiclown.

  127. D-Money March 24th, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    How do we know that Jeter even wants to move to LF or is willing to? Maybe he wants to stay at SS for life and will walk away before assuming another position. He has a ton of pride. As the beat writers point out– Jeter is always a very even-keel guy, but when you bring up his defense, he becomes defensive (or defensive for him anyway).

  128. Count of Montefusco March 24th, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    Cal, Mark in Tampa, JT — you are all spot-on re: Jeter in OF

    I don’t mean this to sound condescending, but I have to wonder if those questioning Jeter’s ability to transfer to LF have actually played the game very much.

    The aspects of his game that are in decline are those that are SPECIFIC to his position, and normal for any player his age — quick lateral movement and an ability to get down on the ball. What Jeter will carry forward for at least several years is a supreme instinct (one of the best in the game), soft hands, overall athleticism and above-average speed. He tracks fly balls as well as anybody on the team. He will not be a merely passable outfielder. He will be an excellent one.

    With regard to his playing 2B, and resigning as a DH/utility player, or signing somewhere else (!), please stop with this nonsense. The guy is the face of the franchise and a source of earning, and he will play through his decline, as have so many Yankee greats before him.

  129. Rishi March 24th, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    Wil Nieves…remember him?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01843.html

  130. Al from BK March 24th, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    “A-Rod for 10 (Seriously, great idea Hank. Just excellent.”

    At the time this deal was brilliant. Sure things have gone south in the past year but I’d still rather have A-Rod instead of Pedro Feliz playing 3B.

  131. gayle March 24th, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    Jennifer thanks I will call them now and see what is up with that

  132. GreenBeret7 March 24th, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    five iron from fenway
    March 24th, 2009 at 11:58 am
    GB7 – Where are your getting your information from?
    Ramiro Pena is purportedly one of the best defensive shortstops in the game. He needs to hit, but I do not think you will find a scout that will question his glove at short.
    E. Nunez – Same as above. Perhaps higher potential. Not quite as solid as Pena defensively but more potential.
    L. Nunez – not a concern.
    Angelini and lassiter – These are the two lower level guys to watch and Mojica if he comes back form injury.

    ————————————————————

    From watching these guys play over the years and the numbers on defense don’t improve. None is better than a .960 fielder and Pena has two full years and parts of two others at AA Trenton. He’s not improving. They have no power of any kind and other than Eduardo Nunez have the ability or speed to steal more than 10 bases. Pena would possibly make a utility player, but, he’s never played any other position other than shortstop. Eduardo Nunez is the worst of the fielders, but, probably the best of the hitters.

  133. Betsy March 24th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    I’m sorry that Jeter is being pretty much trashed on Yankee message boards and blogs…it’s sad to see. I’m sure the Yankees will ask him to move at some point and, if they do, I’m sure Jeter will agree and do the right thing (like Yogi). Just because Jack Curry claims that Jeter is adamant in not moving doesn’t mean that’s the truth – it means that it is Curry’s opinion (and in this matter, I don’t care what he has to say).

    I just won’t participate in the gloom and doom surrounding Jete. I fully expect him to have a very good year.

  134. m March 24th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    Sorry, Al. At the time, the deal was not brilliant. In any way, shape or form. Of course it was in the Yankees best interest to bring him back. But until he’s in his 40′s? And for that we get the privilege of paying him an AAV of 30M?

    There was absolutely no market for Al at the time. No one was going to pay his demands. The deal looked bad at the time, but a lot of people justified it because of the homerun chase. Yeah, about that…

  135. Nick in SF March 24th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    10 years for $5 trillion was brilliant?

    It was good to bring him back, but the deal was brilliant?

  136. Kevin March 24th, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    The A-Rod deal was given with the idea of him making money for the Yankees and YES by being the clean HR king and breaking all the milestones.

    All that is gone now.

  137. Steve B March 24th, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    “At the time this deal was brilliant.”

    Hasn’t been a moment yet when the deal seemed brilliant, Al.

    Not saying they should not have signed him, because I believe they should have. However, they should have allowed a market to develop for him before going a ridiculous 10 years on the deal. No such thing as a team the Yankees can’t outbid, and by letting him test the market, maybe they learn they can stop at 7 years at $25M per or something along those lines.

  138. tampayank March 24th, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    Gammons is drooling while talking about shilling

  139. Rockks March 24th, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    .

    Girardi can’t just keep juggling the OFs just to keep Swisher happy. He is a bench player now, he should accept it.

    Girardi’s problem last year was benching guys when they were hot and being too obsessed with lefty/righty (and putting out AAA lineups against lefties)

    As Kepner said, he needs to have a set lineup and stick with it.

  140. GVR March 24th, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    I think the Yankees are definitely overpaying for A-Rod. But you still have to consider the money he brings into the club, which is a lot. I don’t mind the deal too much, he brings in enough to pay for his contract, and he’s still a good player. I’d definitely rather have him play 3rd than anyone we could replace him with.
    And I really don’t think Jeter is as bad of a shortstop as people make him appear to be. I also don’t think he’d make too much of a fuss about moving if that’s what he was asked to do. Complaining isn’t really his style.

  141. V March 24th, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    Jay – did you factor in Jeter’s hand injury last year?

    He was an absolute liability at the plate for over a month. The Yankees didn’t have a capable replacement (Alberto Gonzalez? Lol).

  142. Jacob March 24th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    Cashman wanted to turn the page.

    Hank was mesmerized by the HR chase. 10 years? $300 million? Was there even a team who bid on him?

    Prime example of why the baseball people should make decisions. Cashman knew it was time to cut bait.

  143. Al from BK March 24th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    Just being honest here. With the possible revenue A-Rod could have drawn by chasing the HR record as a clean player it made a lot of sense at the time. Sure 10 years 300 mil is excessive nobody deserves that deal, however at the time I can understand the Yankees reasoning.

  144. Whatever March 24th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    If A-Rod didn’t opt out of his original 10-year-deal during a live World Series broadcast, do you think Hank would have gone for a 20-year extension?

  145. Al from BK March 24th, 2009 at 12:27 pm

    Hindsight is 20/20 I’m still glad to have A-Rod on this team.

  146. JT March 24th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    Someone mentioned the prospect of Cano having another bad year. If he does, I could definitely see the Yanks trying to move him. If that leaves 2B open, then sure, they could move Jeter there, but will his issues at SS be any less prevalent at 2B? Think of how annoying Cano’s lack of range is right now (though i think its mostly lack of hustle and trying to look good and smooth. It always LOOKS like a better play when you JUST barely get there. I wish he didnt seem to be so concerned with looking good.). That said, I’m more than happy to have Jeter at SS 2 – 4 more years. I think his defense still helps more than hurts.

  147. ALB3 March 24th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    The predictions that we have seen have been far too optimistic, imo.

    These are mine, though nobody really cares, it’s still fun.

    Damon: .281 14 68
    Jeter: .307 15 78
    Teix: .306 33 124
    A-rod: .314 32 109
    matsui: .282 19 87
    posada: .280 17 80
    cano: .302 19 78
    nady: 290 21 92

    CF, depending on starter.
    garder: .270 8 51
    melky: .277 12 50

    Rotation
    sabathia: 19-9 3.39 217 K’s
    Wang: 20-5 3.54 120 K’s
    Burnett 16-8 4.23 200 K’s
    Pettitte 15-12 4.57 160 K’s
    Joba 12-5 3.60 173 K’s

  148. m March 24th, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    In theory it made sense, but it was excessive considering we were the only ones at the table. And this isn’t hindsight.

    Lots of people weren’t not thrilled with the terms of that deal.

    I just hope it doesn’t turn out to be the worst contract in sports history.

  149. Steve B March 24th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    GVR:

    The point is more about the length of the deal. I think we’ll all be a lot less thrilled with Arod at $30M per season at ages 40-42.

  150. GreenBeret7 March 24th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    m
    March 24th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
    Sorry, Al. At the time, the deal was not brilliant. In any way, shape or form. Of course it was in the Yankees best interest to bring him back. But until he’s in his 40’s? And for that we get the privilege of paying him an AAV of 30M?

    There was absolutely no market for Al at the time. No one was going to pay his demands. The deal looked bad at the time, but a lot of people justified it because of the homerun chase. Yeah, about that…

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    How many home runs did steroids actually help him hit over 3 years? 10% probably…15-20% if you’d care to exaggerate? That’s at best 32 homers in those three years and that’s really stretching it. If he hits 800 homers, I’d say the home run record is legitimate.

  151. m March 24th, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    Nope. No hindsight on my part.

    But it is what it is, and I hope it works out for the best as far as the Yankees are concerned.

  152. JT March 24th, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    Back on Cano, maybe this is the best way to put it: He takes routine plays and tries to turn them into highlight reel plays. Just make the play. You don’t always have to lunge, slide, throw from an awkward angle. Get into position, square up, and make a normal throw. That’s great that you can make great plays, but stop trying to turn routine plays into something more.

  153. Al from BK March 24th, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    “I just hope it doesn’t turn out to be the worst contract in sports history.”

    It wont be A-Rod will still hit 40 HR’s with 100+ RBI and bat .300 so will we be overpaying? Yes, but he will still be an MVP candidate every year and produce on the field.

  154. m March 24th, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    GB7,

    You’re not going to drag me into an argument that can’t be proved or disproved.

    The homerun chase has no meaning to me right now. I might change my mind in 6 years or so, but as of now. Nothing. It’ll be cool to have a Yankee at the top, but we’re years from that.

  155. Nick in SF March 24th, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    Al, I think it’s the use of the word “brilliant” that a few of us are objecting to, not the re-signing of Arod in general. But maybe you meant that from the perspective of the Arod camp? Now it looks even more brilliant for him.

  156. Steve B March 24th, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    ALB:

    Aside from being too high on Wang’s K’s and too low on his ERA, those numbers look pretty reasonable. Think Damon will hit for a higher average than what you have and Nady lower.

    Homeruns in center seem a bit optimistic.

  157. m March 24th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    Al,

    You’re dreaming if you think that he’ll produce those numbers year in and year out. That’s why a shorter deal would’ve been the smart move.

    JT,

    Cano’s value will lie in his bat. We don’t really have him there for his defense. I’ll deal with the momentary lapses Cano has, if he hits the cover off the ball.

  158. GreenBeret7 March 24th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    JT
    March 24th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
    Someone mentioned the prospect of Cano having another bad year. If he does, I could definitely see the Yanks trying to move him. If that leaves 2B open, then sure, they could move Jeter there, but will his issues at SS be any less prevalent at 2B? Think of how annoying Cano’s lack of range is right now (though i think its mostly lack of hustle and trying to look good and smooth. It always LOOKS like a better play when you JUST barely get there. I wish he didnt seem to be so concerned with looking good.). That said, I’m more than happy to have Jeter at SS 2 – 4 more years. I think his defense still helps more than hurts.

    ————————————————————

    How is moving Jeter to another middle infield position going to increase his range? Gotta love how people assume every player will have their normal seasons, except Cano, who EVERYONE KNOWS that Cano will continue his downward spiril.

  159. Steve B March 24th, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    “I just hope it doesn’t turn out to be the worst contract in sports history.”

    I think Isiah Thomas has seen to it that it won’t be.

    Still, I don’t think we’re going to be thrilled with years 7-10 of this deal when we get there.

  160. Al from BK March 24th, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    I just think the prospect of A-Rod becoming HR king in a Yankees uniform at the time was too ideal to pass up. Maybe brilliant wasn’t the word but it certainly made a lot of sense 14 months ago. Also I do believe A-Rod will maintain solid numbers into his late 30′s he will always have his raw talent and at worse he’ll hit 30 HR’s with 100 RBI.

  161. Melky Fan March 24th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    Sorry if I am restating a question here, but is there any chance of switching A-Rod back to short and Jeter to third when it’s time? It’s probably doubtful, given that Rodriguez has not played the position since ’03, but I wonder if his range would still be there.

    Personally, I think Jeter will retire after 2010. 3000 hits or not, he’s guaranteed to go into the HoF and does not strike me as the kind of player to stick around for a statistic. If he cannot play his primary position with the team he’s been with his whole professional career, I think he’ll call it quits. He strikes me as that kind of player, and I think he knows that a DH job would be disappointing on all levels.

    Just my 2 cents.

  162. m March 24th, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    Jeter will retire after he wins another ring and gets his 3000 hits.

  163. tampayank March 24th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    In Division rivals news, Rays SP Matt Garza has a dead arm and might be shut down

  164. 86w183 March 24th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    Actually Alex’ contract is front loaded and he’ll “only” cost $ 21.5 per year in the final four seasons of the deal. That does not include possible HR milestone payments.

    If you look at his HR stats pre-Texas and post-Texas he averages 42 HR a year. He averaged 52 in Texas, so you could say taking PEDs gave him 10 HR a year for three years. So take away 30 HR and what do you have? A first ballot Hall of Famer.

    The 10 HR increase is actually the maximum you can claim. In reality he hit 7.5 more HR at home and 2.5 more HR on the road, so figure the heat and bandbox stadium for five of the ten HR, so maybe you should take away 5 HR a year for three years.

    Those numbers are why I consider steroid hysteria to be so freakin’ ridiculous. Guys who took PEDs got a little boost, but the substances didn’t turn lousy players in superstars.

  165. Steve B March 24th, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    “I just think the prospect of A-Rod becoming HR king in a Yankees uniform at the time was too ideal to pass up”

    I’ve always found this to be a bit overrated. It’s a great record, perhaps the greatest in all sports, but did the Yankees, who had the homerun king for decades, suffer any when the homerun king was a Brave? Did the Braves benefit much from it or suffer when the new king was a Giant? Only way this helps the Yankees is if they happen to be non-contenders and the only reason people are showing up is to see the chase. I don’t envision that happening. They’ll likely be the perennial contenders they’ve been for the last decade and a half and sell the seats no matter what.

  166. gayle March 24th, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    jennifer I called the Yankess and the field seats are meant to be no higher than $50 but the seats I got are Legends which are in front of the field seats so those are more expensive but still less than regular price. The same thing for other suite levels they are higher than $50 but less than the regular price.

  167. Tom March 24th, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    The contract is bad because of the length. 10 years and 30 million per year for a 32 year old is dumbfoundingly senseless. Heck, even Jeter’s 10 year deal he signed as a 27 year old is starting to smell.

  168. Christina March 24th, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    “Sorry if I am restating a question here, but is there any chance of switching A-Rod back to short and Jeter to third when it’s time? It’s probably doubtful, given that Rodriguez has not played the position since ‘03, but I wonder if his range would still be there.”

    First off all, going from SS to third base is not an easy transition. While its only a short move to the right, the approach you take to playing each of the two position is completely different. A-Rod even struggled when he first started at 3rd and spent countless hours and made many errors while at the transition. Would you really want a guy in his late 30′s making that type of move so late in his career? I can’t see any purpose for that.

  169. Perry B March 24th, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    Gayle – So the Audi suite is supposed to have a $65 fee attached to it???

  170. m March 24th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    Steve B,

    Interesting post. I thought something similar as far as gate receipts. The Yankees sell out home games on a very regular basis and they’re a huge draw on the road.

    Keeping Bonds around made sense for the Giants because he helped fill empty seats.

    Merchnadising? People who would buy a jersey probably already have a jersey, so there would be t-shirts commemorating the chase? I mean, it makes sense on a lot of levels, but still.

  171. Benny (junior mint) Blanco March 24th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    I’m soooooooooooooo tired of the clean record/dirty record talk. I’ll be watching when arod hits his 600th and the ball lands in the stands untouched. Thats a perfect way to flip the bird at him and the hr chase, but my instincts tell me that someone will take the a ball (tainted) and sell it on EBAY for $200,000.

  172. Jason March 24th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    Thanks for posting, Steve B. My suspicions were confirmed.

  173. Al from BK March 24th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    I couldn’t get a hold of any TIX now I gotta go to Stub-Hub I guess.

  174. GVR March 24th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    Steve B,

    He’ll be making significantly less during the ages 40-42, about 20 mil per season. That’s assuming he breaks the HR record before he’s 40.
    I really don’t think Jeter retires after 2010. With CC, Teix, A-Rod, and the young guys, the Yanks look like they’ll be in the running for a championship quite a while. Jeter wants to win, I don’t think he could just walk away from such a talented team. I don’t think he’ll stick around just for stats, but he will for rings.

  175. jennifer March 24th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    Perry- You go the Audi suite too? My friend didn’t realize when she ordered the tickets that there was a facilities charge of 65 on top of the price of the ticket!!

  176. GreenBeret7 March 24th, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    Christina
    March 24th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
    “Sorry if I am restating a question here, but is there any chance of switching A-Rod back to short and Jeter to third when it’s time? It’s probably doubtful, given that Rodriguez has not played the position since ‘03, but I wonder if his range would still be there.”

    First off all, going from SS to third base is not an easy transition. While its only a short move to the right, the approach you take to playing each of the two position is completely different. ***A-Rod even struggled when he first started at 3rd and spent countless hours and made many errors while at the transition*** . Would you really want a guy in his late 30’s making that type of move so late in his career? I can’t see any purpose for that.

    ————————————————————

    Many errors when he first made the move? He had 13. In fact, in his 5 years as a third baseman, he had only one season over that, and that was in ’06. In ’04 (13), ’05 (12), ’06 (24), ’07 (13) and ’08 (10).

  177. kd March 24th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    here’s my take on schilling. Why was he in front of congress to begin with? Big Mac, Sosa, Raffy, Canseco…. all guys who have been implicated. Was he there for publicity or the simple fact that he craves all forms of attention? Or was he guilty? As we’ve seen, these late career renaissances are rarely the result of hard work, guts, and grit, they’re usually the result of things that are made in labs.

    maybe schilling has another chapter to his story?

  178. kidjock March 24th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    Jeter gets to play SS until he doesn’t want to; he’s earned that right. I don’t think he would choose to play there if he thought he was hurting the team. As far as having trouble going left, he’s always had trouble going left.

  179. RussW210 March 24th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    m – ARod brings more than production. At the time he was going to bring the homerun race and the guy puts the Yanks on the back page every other day. You don’t know the value that is to a team. He is the premier player in the league.

  180. JT March 24th, 2009 at 1:02 pm

    GreenBeret7, you clearly didn’t read my post. Or maybe you were agreeing with me, but it didnt sound like it. My point is, if you think Jeter sucks at SS (which I dont), then you should think he’ll suck at 2B too.

    On Cano, I for one think and hope he will bounce back and hit at least around .300. But if he has another bad season or worse, I’m sure the Yankees will try to trade him and find a better option. My point was that then 2B would be open, so you could move Jeter there. But, I don’t think he will be any better a 2B than he is a SS. And I’m happy with him at SS for now and the next 2-4 seasons.

  181. eric March 24th, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    I recall Jeter saying last year that he could see himself playing 10 more seasons.. It was last season in an interview, or the season before..

  182. Scorpio March 24th, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    “The Asian players have style, don’t they? Ichiro is a bad ass. ”

    agree 100%. some of the defensive plays I saw last night were #1 Webgem quality. Didn’t think I would enjoy the game so much but it was great. No HRs, just fundamental baseball.

  183. gayle March 24th, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    Perri-

    I would imagine that fee is incorrect my service charge was certainly not that I think it was 9 dollars then the 2.50 ticketsnow charge. I only asked them about the base price of the ticket didnt get into other charges as mine were not out of range for the normal ticketmaster fees

  184. Rishi March 24th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    Jennifer – I think your friend is paying for this:

    Audi Yankees Club
    The Audi Yankees Club is a membership club located on the H&R Block Suite Level. The club features a cocktail bar and a dining lounge and offers sweeping views of Yankee Stadium from left field. The experience is highlighted by performance-cooking stations, a dessert station and full cocktail service. Membership is available on an annual basis. For more information, visit http://www.yankees.com. Individual- game tickets are also available.

  185. Jacob March 24th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    Oh please… there is no sure way to quantify how many HRs the steroids helped A-Rod hit.

    In the eyes of the public, all his numbers are tainted and his records will not be acknowledged, nor will they be celebrated.

  186. m March 24th, 2009 at 1:08 pm

    Russ,

    Good point. But 10 years? People here were arguing against Tex for anything more than 6.

    Just ask yourself if the Red Sox would’ve done a 10 year deal. Not in a million years. They’re too smart for that. Too many variables involved (in getting the record)and not a smart baseball decision.

    kd,

    I haven’t read Neyer’s blog, but I heard him on the radio saying that Schilling was 52-52 when he was 30. Then he went through some unreal transformation. He said he’s the same kind of pitcher as Mussina, Kevin Brown, (some others I forgot), but his post-season wins probably push him over the top. The bloody sock thing and postseason record 11-2 aren’t really, really significant, but enough to get him in.

  187. RussW210 March 24th, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    Jacob – the question asked was whether or not ARod’s contract WAS GOOD AT THE TIME. But hear what you wanna hear.

    Even with roids, ARod will still bring the press in his chase. Everyone will be talking Yankees in some respect.

  188. DA Blaze March 24th, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    The HR chase? People actually think there is going to be a HR chase that anyone cares about?

    lol

    Those milestones are meaningless. Nobody will celebrate a cheater. He may be on the backpages everyday, but for the wrong reasons.

  189. Rishi March 24th, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    Jennifer – there is info on yankees.com here: http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com...../guide.jsp about what the Audi Suite is – lots of bells and whistles.

    I tried to post the actual amenities, but the blog won’t let me.

  190. GreenBeret7 March 24th, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    JT
    March 24th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
    GreenBeret7, you clearly didn’t read my post. Or maybe you were agreeing with me, but it didnt sound like it. My point is, if you think Jeter sucks at SS (which I dont), then you should think he’ll suck at 2B too.

    On Cano, I for one think and hope he will bounce back and hit at least around .300. But if he has another bad season or worse, I’m sure the Yankees will try to trade him and find a better option. My point was that then 2B would be open, so you could move Jeter there. But, I don’t think he will be any better a 2B than he is a SS. And I’m happy with him at SS for now and the next 2-4 seasons.

    ————————————————————

    I didn’t say a word about Jeter sucking as a shortstop. I did say that to assume that he’ll have more range at 2nd than SS would be ridiculous. Also, there’s absolutely zero reason to assume Cano will have a year the same or worse than last year is BS. He had an off-MONTH. He hit .297 from May first onwards, and this uncluded a three to four week stretcg from August 3rd through the end of the month where he was dealing with a bad bone bruise at the base of his left thumb.

  191. hank hal March 24th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    10 years is NEVER a good idea for anybody.

    Especially when no other team even bid on him.

  192. RussW210 March 24th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    m, ill give that to you in some respect. But in 5-6 years ARod will make for a fine DH and his salary will be less the way the contract is constructed. If he is still hitting .300 ball at that time I don’t think too many people will be complaining that he is making 20 mil/year

  193. kd March 24th, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    mel,

    that’s my point exactly. i think they asked him to show up because he fit a profile of a player with a *huge* jump in performance.

    i don’t doubt that he’ll get in although buster onley said he wouldn’t last night on espn, but if there’s anything on him, you know there’s a reporter who’s seeing dollar signs if he/she gets to publish it first.

  194. m March 24th, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    Brian Hoch has a preview of some show that Michael Kay does. I guess there was extensive face time with Alex. He sounds sincerely contrite. Too bad I won’t be able to see it.

    http://bombersbeat.mlblogs.com/

  195. GreenBeret7 March 24th, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    Correction: this ***included*** a three to four week ***stretch***

  196. Carl March 24th, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    m – You don’t have YES?

  197. m March 24th, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    All in all, I think most people liked getting Alex back, but hated the deal. Then there’s a huge part of the fanbase who used the homerun chase to justify the terms of the deal.

    Murphy’s law probably applies here, so I’ll get excited about the homerun chase when there is one.

  198. JT March 24th, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    GreenBeret7, right. I think we are agreeing. Or at least, I agree with everything you say and you seem to be repeating exactly what I said.

    When I said if “you think”, I dont mean you, personally. I mean people that think that.

  199. m March 24th, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    Carl,

    No. Out of market. :0

  200. Al from BK March 24th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    I dunno of anyone has seen this video I got a chuckle.(Also disclaimer for Pete I had nothing to do with this video)

    **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALxXQ7dON1I**

  201. Trevor March 24th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    Francesa talking AL East rotations. I’m bias but I’ll take the Yankees rotation over the Sox on paper. Red Sox are very good 1-3. With Wakefield and Penny 4th & 5th they’re a bit questionable.
    Yankees & Rays are really good 1-5.

    Sabathia
    Wang
    Burnett
    Pettitte
    Chamberlain

    Kazmir
    Garza
    Shields
    Sonnastine
    Price

    Beckett
    Lester
    Dice’K
    Penney
    Wakefield

  202. Perry B March 24th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    Jennifer – I didnt actually order them, i noticed the $65 fee before i hit the “order” button luckily. I do want to try it, since it seems like there are food tables in there and stuff like that…but not for an exhibition game. I’ll just wait until 4/20 to see the stadium, thats where i got my $90 tickets from ticketmaster this morning.

  203. pat March 24th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    So if the Yankees signed Alex for 5-6 years and Tex for 5-6 years, it still doesn’t help figuring out what to do with Derek in 2 years.

    It distracts from the argument of what to do with Derek but it still doesn’t solve the problem unless you think the Yankees could live without Alex or Tex at all.

  204. Gold Z March 24th, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    I hope Swisher blasts music in the clubhouse and is still the energizer bunny out there

    I mean, the guy gets to play for the NY Yankees. With this powerhouse team with a chance to win the WS. He got his wish and got out out Chi-Town. He’s guaranteed a spot next year considering 3 OFers are off the books.

    what’s there for him to be upset about? Would he rather start on a bad team than get limited ABs on a good team?

  205. David March 24th, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    The AL East is stacked– Francessa is right, it will probably take 95-96 to win it.

    These 3 teams will put a hurting on teams outside the division.

    He loves our rotation though, thinks it is a scary rotation if we get anything out of Burnett.

  206. Rishi March 24th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    more feul to the fire:

    http://bleacherreport.com/arti.....-showcased

  207. RussW210 March 24th, 2009 at 1:25 pm

    Gold Z – I think the main reason why Nady gets the shot over Swisher is because Nady is in a walk year and Swisher isn’t. You generally get better production when the guy is in a walk year (see Posada). Swisher shouldn’t be upset. Maybe he was initially but I don’t think he will be for long.

  208. sara March 24th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    “CC Sabathia actually holds runners. This is something no Yankees starter (outside of Mike Mussina) has done in years with any degree of care.”

    Really Pete? Andy doesen’t hold runners?

  209. Phil March 24th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    Yogi played left and so can Jete.

  210. m March 24th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    Gold Z,

    Exactly. Swish’s passion is great, but he needs to tone it down. I think he has, his comments are more of the “help the team anyway I can” type now.

    His status on the bench is temporary and if he spends extended time there, that’s good news for the Yankees because it means that Nady’s doing his thing. He must’ve gotten the riot act because yesterday Nady alluded to the fact that he’s been trying to work the counts.

  211. Trevor March 24th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    Rays Yankees Sox will beat up on the Jays and O’s. That should help get some easy wins.

  212. RussW210 March 24th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    “Do not be surprised if this “victory” is no more than a marketing campaign for Nady’s services come July.”

    That makes ABSOLUTELY no sense whatsoever. I can’t even begin to explain how much of a stretch that is.

  213. RussW210 March 24th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    Anyone know how Hughes did this spring? I didn’t see him much but do we have the stats?

  214. gayle March 24th, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    I think there is a difference between holding runners and having a good move. I certainly am no expert but Andy has a really good move to first and he tends to pick runners off but also has a high leg kick and is somewhat slow to the plate thus not really holding runners on. He has a horrible time holding runners trying to steal 3rd.

    I have no idea what CC’s move to first is like but as Pete said and I have also read elsewhere he does other things that holds runners on, the slide step just an example.

    Now here is a question is there someone who has a great move to first and also holds runners on OR are the two not congruent meaning it is hard to do both.

  215. Cal March 24th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    If Nady is so bad, then Swisher shouldn’t stay on the bench for long, no?

    Nady is in a contract year with Boras as his agent… I think it is likely that he puts up a great year, playing for a contract.

  216. m March 24th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    Russ,

    Don’t know the stats, but he had a shaky start where he was all over the place, but only gave up 2 solos.

    Francessa saying that Hughes is back in the family portrait now.

    Haha. Caller just said Dice-K was a Houdini act last season.

  217. GreenBeret7 March 24th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    Sad to see that HOFer George Kell passed away this morning at age 86. He was a very good defensive 3rd baseman in the 40′s and ’50s and a Hell of a hitter. Lifetime .300 hitter and one the ’49 AL batting title, beating out Ted Williams, .3429 to .3427. Kell struck out 13 times that year. It also cost Williams his 3rd Triple Crown.

    He was also a great announcer with the Tigers, teaming with Ernie Harwell and Al Kaline. They were the great voices of Tiger baseball.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

  218. Trevor March 24th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    How could Mike hype up Price but have so many questions about Joba being a starter?

  219. dan 771 March 24th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    Swisher got benched in a playoff race last year. Ozzie Guillen said if they didn’t trade him, he would be a 4th OF this year. He was a man without a position/role there too.

    The Chi Sox couldn’t wait to get rid of him. Swisher off the bench would give them far more production than Betimit or Marquez. They gave him away…. as soon as they found someone to take him, they got rid of him.

  220. Bronx Jeers March 24th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    Audi suite = Nothing less than the keys to an Audi will grant you access.

    Me, I show my Metrocard and they point to the escalators.

  221. David March 24th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    Mike saying our bullpen is ‘superb’

  222. EVERY DAY PHIL COKE March 24th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    “Scouts from other teams rave about how much pitching the Yankees have in their system and the talent of the players who were with Single-A Charleston last season.”

    Nice Pete. Damn right. And likely some of the best prospects in the entire Yankees system bunch, Dellin Betances, Manny Banuelos and Arodys Vizcaino (albeit a bit further from the majors) where near the major league camp this year and are likely still off the radar (Betances= High A this year; Banuelos and Viz= A or short season A this year).

  223. RussW210 March 24th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    What a crack addict. Penny sucked last year and has never pitched in the AL before. He’s gonna bomb.

    Bucholz sucked last year which is why he isn’t even a consideration for their team.

    Wakefield is completely being ignored by Fatcessa. Wakefield versus Chamberlain? Chamberlain outdueled Beckett last season.

    Smoltz is 5 billion years old and has never pitched in the AL.

    God, ignoring all the important factors.

  224. Steve B March 24th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    “Nady is in a contract year with Boras as his agent… I think it is likely that he puts up a great year, playing for a contract.”

    Be more likely if he were a great player. He’s not at all good against RHP’s. Sooner or later he’ll likely end up with the AB’s against lefties with Swisher getting the AB’s against righties.

  225. GreenBeret7 March 24th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    Spring Training stats on demand.

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....olbar_team

  226. Al from BK March 24th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    Pettitte holds runners superbly.

  227. m March 24th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    Trevor,

    I think most of it is because he hasn’t pitched 200 innings yet. Once he can do that, only the deranged can argue that the Yankees are better off with him in the bullpen.

  228. 7*7 March 24th, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    Listening to this ‘preview’ from Mike Francessa with him naming all these lineups and rotations… man, the Rays and Sox are excellent teams. We have our hands full.

    We cannot get off to a slow start. Don’t want to be chasing these teams in the dog days of summer expecting them to lose.

  229. Fran March 24th, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    m – the interview that Brian Hoch is talking about is the one that Kay did with ARod for “Pride, Power and Pinstripes” which airs on YES tonight after the game (and a lot more times over the next week). This is the interview I was talking about yesterday where Kay said that Alex was sincere and unrehearsed.

  230. BBB is now SSS. Swish Should Start! March 24th, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    Pete, I’m sure this has already been mentioned but Pettitte holds runners pretty well too!

    Anyone know if Burnett is any good at that? I’m not going to look at the numbers of stolen bases while he was pitching for Toronto in order to try and figure it out, cause I assume Zaun usually caught him and he has a crappy arm, my grandma could steal on him.

    Lastly, I’d love to see Gardner and Jackson on the same team too, but if that happens this year, you know something is very wrong! It will either mean that Gardner is doing poorly enough to go down to AAA or that Jackson’s career is being risked by rushing him up here before he’s ready. Gardner/Jackson 2010 and not a minute sooner!

    Anyway, hope all my fellow e-single game ticket buyers got at least some of the games they wanted today. Surprisingly, I did pretty well.

  231. EVERY DAY PHIL COKE March 24th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    Sorry, should have said, “Betances, Banuelos, and Arodys Viz” where NO WHERE NEAR the major league camp and are still likely under the radar (of at least the casual observer)….more upside for the Yanks farm system!!

  232. m March 24th, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    Fran,

    Thanks for that. Better late than never for Al! :)

  233. panayioti March 24th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    PETE ABE – ” Somebody needs to tell Jay Cutler that he’s not good enough to complain about the Broncos looking at other quarterbacks.”

    Living in Denver, this is still a daily story. I am so glad to hear someone on the outside say the same thing I am getting blistered for stating. In Denver, there are those that blame McDaniels but seriously, if the QB trade would have been Brady, Rothlesburger, even McNabb, would Cutler’s bruised ego be so bruised.

    It it just annoying… thankfully, the Yankees season is right around the corner.

  234. Don March 24th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    Nady hit .262 with a .805 OPS against lefties last year

    He hit .317 with a .886 OPS against righties

    Which do not at all align with his career numbers of killing lefties and being below average against righties.

  235. Steve B March 24th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    I don’t think Wakefield stays in the mix as a starter for Boston very long. He’s been brutal this spring, while Buchholtz has been superb. Smoltz is the X factor to me. If he’s healthy when they break him out in late May/early June, he’s going to be tough. Just an outstanding pitcher. 50/50 to me on Penny being any kind of factor.

  236. randy l. March 24th, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    “It’s a testament to the idea that running the bases, playing defense, bunting and having the pitcher throw breaking pitches at any point in the count actually works. They play baseball now the way Americans did back in the 1950s and 60s.”

    maybe that’s why i found myself rooting against the USA team.

    on another note, it is a systemic problem for the yankees that the team is composed of star players who can only play one position.

    the stars have likely never played anywhere else. stars are not very adaptable . they play one position, their position.

    solution: tell every player they play three positions and have them start working on all of them.

    jeter- shortstop, third base, and left field
    arod – third base, shortstop, first base
    cano-second base, third base, left field
    posada- catcher, first base, outfield
    teixeira-first base, third base, outfield
    melky- centerfield, right field, catcher ( he doesn’t look like a catcher ?)
    etc.

    if these players do something like this, the yankees are a better team.
    it won’t happen , but the one dimensional aspect of yankee star players is why teams with less stars but who are more versatile beat them.

    think what an asset a player like pete rose was to his team who could move around as the team needed him or as he aged.

  237. BBB is now SSS. Swish Should Start! March 24th, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    “Swisher got benched in a playoff race last year. Ozzie Guillen said if they didn’t trade him, he would be a 4th OF this year. He was a man without a position/role there too.

    The Chi Sox couldn’t wait to get rid of him”

    Kenny Williams’ Favorite Things:
    1) Cuban ballplayers
    2) Players who don’t get on base
    3) Royce Ring
    4) Gritty McScrapsters that excite Hawk Harrelson

    Things Kenny Williams hates:
    1) Joe Blanton
    2) Patient hitters
    3) Gio Gonzalez

    ’nuff said. The day the Yankees’ start using the White Sox’ baseball decisions as a model for their own is the day we are in serious trouble!

  238. Al from BK March 24th, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    “Thanks for that. Better late than never for Al!”

    ;)

  239. Steve B March 24th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    BBB:

    Burnett is pretty long to the plate. I wouldn’t count on Burnett or Joba helping Posada out much in terms of keeping guys close. Sabathia seems likely to help him quite bit though.

  240. m March 24th, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    Knock yourselves out. Andy allowed 20 in ’08

    http://tinyurl.com/SB-stats

  241. Steve B March 24th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    “Pettitte holds runners superbly.”

    Numbers of the past two seasons argue against you. Seems he was a lot more effective in his 1st stint as a Yankee than his current one.

  242. BBB is now SSS. Swish Should Start! March 24th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    Thanks, Steve. In that case I hope Molina can catch either Burnett or Joba regularly. Gotta save Jorge’s arm as much as possible. I really liked Molina’s work with Joba last year anyway. And I don’t see any reason for Jorge not to go back to catching Pettitte. It’s not like theyre unfamiliar w/each other.

  243. Trevor March 24th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    You can’t claim David Price will be dominant in the ML especially the AL East but have questions about Joba who has just a good stuff if not better.
    In fact Joba has proven himself more then Price has.

  244. Don March 24th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    From Joel Sherman’s blog -

    Nady is in his walk year and is a Scott Boras client, so I can see anything that puts him on the bench regularly as causing real tension within the organization.

    http://blogs.nypost.com/sports.....lling.html

  245. Al from BK March 24th, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    “Numbers of the past two seasons argue against you. Seems he was a lot more effective in his 1st stint as a Yankee than his current one.”

    Of course he was younger and more quick in his first stint but he still has one of the better pick-off moves in the game.

    “You can’t claim David Price will be dominant in the ML especially the AL East but have questions about Joba who has just a good stuff if not better.
    In fact Joba has proven himself more then Price has.”

    Very true. Especially the Yankee-haters on ESPN who claim Price is better than Joba when Price has thrown 14 innings and Joba has thrown 150.

  246. BBB is now SSS. Swish Should Start! March 24th, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    I don’t understand how something that causes tension for Scott Boras automatically equals out to something that causes tension for the organization.

    Since when does Scott Boras = the organization? Who cares what he thinks or what pisses him off?

    Swisher > Nady all day. I can see anything that puts the better player on the bench in favor of the worse one causing real tension within the organization!

    I’d love to see Scott Boras come with one of his big FA flowcharts and prove how Nady deserves to start over Swisher by any important statistical measure.

  247. m March 24th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    94 games for the Mets? Jeez. They need to screen these guys.

    Joba’s first 14 IP> Price’s first 14 IP

  248. randy l. March 24th, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    “You can’t claim David Price will be dominant in the ML especially the AL East but have questions about Joba who has just a good stuff if not better.
    In fact Joba has proven himself more then Price has.”

    trevor-

    would you trade joba for price? i’d think about it because of joba’s injury history and the way he’s been bounced around so far in his career.

    would the rays trade price even up for joba? not likley

    of course the yankees wouldn’t likely make the trade either.

  249. Patrick March 24th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    BBB,

    If the Yankees bench Nady for an extended period of time there is no doubt there will be some type of response from Boras.

  250. m March 24th, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    BBB,

    It’s just business. And we do a lot of business with Boras, especially with clients in the draft. Nady’s the incumbent, he gets the job. It’s not who starts at the beginning of the season, it’s who starts at the end of the season. And Nady might not even be around after the trade deadline.

    It’ll work out for the best.

  251. Patrick March 24th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    Trading Joba for Price serves no purpose. They both have electric stuff and they both have little experience in the majors.

  252. 7*7 March 24th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    I’d trade Joba for Price in a second.

    Price has a much better pitcher’s frame and will likely hold up better. Plus he is a lefty with stuff that is just as good.

  253. Trevor March 24th, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    No I would not trade Joba for Price. I don’t really care about Price being left handed. Joba is younger has better command throws a tic harder and has an excellent third pitch. Whereas Price mainly has 2 pitches with questionable command.

  254. ANSKY March 24th, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    Joba? Price?

    Yeeeesh … me brain ‘erts

  255. randy l. March 24th, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    “Trading Joba for Price serves no purpose. They both have electric stuff and they both have little experience in the majors.”

    patrick-
    i’d trade you for an equal fan to be named later just for some variety :)

  256. BBB is now SSS. Swish Should Start! March 24th, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    Mel: Good point. I was sitting here mentally beating my chest about how we should take a hard line and refuse to sign his clients anymore. That if we and the Red Sox both did that, Boras would be finished getting the kinds of deals for his guys that he’s used to. But I forgot he represents all those signability guys in the draft that we have to go over slot for, otherwise we’ll never get good talent with how late we usually draft! So I guess we’ll have to suffer his nonsense with a smile for a bit longer, but hopefully Swish will take the job by force.

  257. BBB is now SSS. Swish Should Start! March 24th, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    I don’t really have an opinion either way on the Joba/Price trade, I’d have to really research both players, but Joba has had better results than Price so far, hasn’t he? Price can have better stuff all day, but score one for Joba if he’s the one getting the desired results even with the ‘inferior’ stuff.

  258. Patrick March 24th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    randy –

    Ouch.

  259. randy l. March 24th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    patrick-

    side note: i think the financial crisis has taken away some of the posters who are strong with statistical analysis who were here often last spring. cb, whozat, etc.

    i suspect they have other things on their minds ( like the financial world falling apart ).
    i definitely miss the banter from that side of the debate.

  260. Tony in Albany March 24th, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    anyone catch Yu Darvish last night? After reading a few articles over the last year about how closely the Yankees have been following him, and considering they’re most likely one of maybe 3-5 teams who can actually pony up the cash it’s gonna take to pay his posting fee alone (remember Daisuke’s $51 million posting fee?) what do you guys think? I’ve heard some glowing reviews, and he actually looked fairly impressive. That hard slider with serious movement on it is an impressive pitch – plus he’s only 23 years old. I’d certainly like to see the Yanks take a good shot at him in a few years (not to mention that I’d hate to see him join Daisuke in Boston). Opinions?

  261. Patrick March 24th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    I’m not sure where CB works but his area of expertise indicates you might be right. If I’m remembering correctly, I think whozat got a job working for google and he moved out to CA for it. I could be mixing him up with someone else on the blog. If I’m right, he is probably very busy with that. I’ve heard that working for Google is a great job but lots of work.

  262. randy l. March 24th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    patrick-

    whozat was obviously a bright guy. he didn’t know much about baseball , but he was very good at defending his incorrect positions.

    ( my attempt at drawing him out ) :)

  263. saucY March 24th, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    “It’s hard to take the NCAA women’s tournament seriously when seventh-seeded Rutgers hosts second-seeded Auburn in the second round. How is that fair?”

    i don’t get this. a 7 vs a 2 in the 2nd round is pretty normal, i think.

    go RU!

  264. saucY March 24th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    at the end of their careers: Cutler > Brady

    write it down, Pete

  265. Gloria March 24th, 2009 at 3:17 pm

    Why are you guys still listening to that boob, Mike Francesa? His time has passed (Unless of course he gets Max Kellerman as his partner – talk about fireworks). You’re better off listening to M Kay.

    Pete, FNL is by far the best show on TV – why are we amongst the few that actually know that? Come on people, get on board.

  266. Jay March 24th, 2009 at 3:36 pm

    Wow, thanks StandingO’Neill. I didn’t realize that VORP factored in only offense.

    In that case, I’m sure that using Warp3, Jeter would fare even WORSE!

  267. Jay March 24th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    V,

    I just passed along the numbers for Jeter and the other shortstops. I didn’t factor in injuries, natural deterioration or likelihood of more lost games or otherwise declining performance due to age, or how putrid he looked in the WBC

  268. saucY March 24th, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    “The new Facebook layout is egregiously awful. I spend easily 50 percent less time on the site as a result.”

    oh, it’s really not all that bad. just takes getting used to.

    the worst part about the layout change was the zillion status updates i read complaining about it…

  269. Jay March 24th, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    Al from BK,

    You can’t be serious when you suggest that A-Rod will earn his money throughout his contract and hit 40 home runs, etc.

    Even with the assistance of steroids, the greatest outlier in the history of position players himself, Baroid Bonds, only hit 26 and 28 home runs at age 41 and 42 and basically missed an entire season at age 40.

    Age 40: essentially a missed season.
    Age 41: 26 home runs, 115 RBIs, a 1.009 OPS. (in 367 at bats)
    Age 42: 28 home runs, 132 RBIs, an 1.145 OPS (in 340 at bats)
    Average for the three years: less than 20 home runs and only a little over 85 RBIs — again, with the assistance of a cocktail of steroids.

    Other phenoms at age 40, 41, and 42:

    Hank Aaron
    Age 40: 20 home runs, 69 RBIs, an .832 OPS
    Age 41: 12 home runs, 60 RBIs, a .687 OPS
    Age 42: 10 home runs, 35 RBIs, a .684 OPS

    Willie Mays:
    Age 40: 18 home runs, 61 RBIs, an .810 OPS
    Age 41: 8 home runs, 22 RBIs, an .802 OPS (in 244 at bats)
    Age 42: 6 home runs, 25 RBIs, a .647 OPS (in 209 at bats)

    Ken Griffey became a shadow of himself far before age 40.

    Ted Williams:
    Age 40: 10 home runs, 43 RBIs, a .791 OPS
    Age 41: 29 home runs, 72 RBIs, a 1.096 OPS (in 310 at bats)

    Al, what exactly are you basing your belief that A-Rod will outperform every great player in the history of the game as he ages on?

  270. Jay March 24th, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    randy l.,

    There’s no question having players who can play more than one position is an ENORMOUS advantage. Witness Boston with Youklis and Pedroia.

  271. GZA March 24th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    Jeter can play short for now. But if he wants to come back, he’s got to ride the pine. Bernie was willing to do it. So should Jete.

  272. John_Halfz March 24th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    Oh, boy. Sloppy analysis. First of all, the 1950s and 1960s are two pretty discrete eras in baseball history. The relative importance of each run scored was higher in the pitcher-dominated late 1960s. Bunting and playing for runs therefore made more sense. It did not in the 1950s, even if an isolated game from 2009 illustrates how these plays can work. Anyway, a successful bunt begs a counterfactual argument. How else might the inning have turned out if not for the sacrifice of an out (a team’s most valuable commodity

    You also object to their signing the best baseball player in the game to a 10 year contract. Fine, he KISSES himself and he loves old women. Well, that’s why I have no interest in being his personal friend. And they signed Posada for 4 years. Uh, it’s the hardest position to fill, there are no credible alternatives, so you have to overpay (in dollars and years). And you’re kind of assuming that someone will be ready/available at the end of that time. Who are you thinking of, Pete?

    Can’t wait until the real games start. You’re stretching your credibility as an analyst. I guess, though, if the journalism “bar” is set by King, Sherman, et al., you’re a reasonably high performer. Depressing stuff.

  273. GZA March 24th, 2009 at 6:59 pm

    John_Halfz need to relax.

  274. Yankee2123 March 24th, 2009 at 7:55 pm

    Jeter is the SS until the end of the 2010 season. Now here’s the thing, Jeter’s personal milestone is 3K hits. He’s at 2535 already. So if he can put up two seasons of 165 or better in hits, he’ll have about 2900 hits for arguments sake. So he may need an extra year to get his 3K hits. After that he’s playing for enjoyment, and a chance to win a World Series. He’s not going to get a huge contract from the team, since he’s past his prime. I think they should end the speculation and give him a two year extension, taking him to age 38. That gives him a few more chances to pocket another ring, make a few million extra bucks, and collect 3K hits. As for positions, after 2010, he can slide into that Tim Raines/Mariano Duncan/Bernie Williams (2004-2006) type of role.

  275. Bevilacqua March 24th, 2009 at 8:08 pm

    “I find the idea that Derek Jeter should go play the outfield to be ridiculous. We have no idea if he can as he’s literally never played there a day in his life. So his lack of range at shortstop will disappear in the outfield?”

    Come on Pete, they even put Yogi in the outfield back in the day. Jeet can handle left. Stick him there with his next contract. He’s not a DH…

  276. Amandla March 24th, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    Yeah Jeter is the liability on the team. Right. No player will ever be the liability ARod is. You guys can quote stats until your blue. The guy is a first class ass and creates division. No team he is on will ever win.

  277. Bill O March 24th, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    Its ridiculous to think that Jeter wouldn’t be able to handle at least a corner OF spot. I mean he has played the most athletically demanding position in the game his entire career. Many less athletic players have moved from the infield to the outfield. Other than 1B its the easiest position in the game to play.

    Then when you look at his defensive strengths and weaknesses you can see that he should fit well in the OF. One of his greatest strengths is his ability to track down fly balls something he’ll do a lot of in OF. His biggest weaknesses is moving to his lateral quickness when tracking down balls particularly to his left. In the OF while quickness certainly helps its considerably less important as guys have more time to move and actually run after the ball. Speed is more important in the OF and while Derek’s has diminished he’s still faster than your average OF (especially corner OF’s).

    I’d be surprised if you got anything less than average defense from Jeter in the corner OF. I don’t know that he could adequately handle CF at this point in his career, but LF or even RF would not be too difficult for him.

    The questions I have is whether we’ll have room for Derek in the OF and will he be willing to move there. Right now you’d have to assume that Gardner or Jackson will start in CF in 2011, Swisher will probably be in RF, and with Matt Holliday a free agent after this year its possible that he may be the big signing after this year leaving no room for Jeter except maybe at DH, but Posada is going to start needing more there. I think the organization will find a way to keep Derek at least a little longer and hopefully for the rest of his career.

  278. Mike March 25th, 2009 at 11:55 am

    Derek Jeter, future HOF, and now he is not good enough to play SS for the NY Yankees? He has lost a step? What, like Ozzie Smith lost a step? Like Mark Belanger lost a step? Like Honus Wagner lost a step? Give me a break. Derek Jeter is fine at SS and when you need a hit in the clutch, range means nothing at all; when the winning run is on second base, a lost step in the field means nothing; sure, Derek Jeter is not the same player he was back in 1995 but he is not a liability–he is Derek Jeter, future NY Yankees HOF. Give the man respect. Besides, the Yankees don’t have the future Derek Jeter in the farm system right now, so let up and enjoy him while you can.


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