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New Stadium not TV friendly?

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Mar 27, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

For many fans who can’t afford tickets or live in another part of the country, television will be their window to the new Yankee Stadium.

But how good will that window be?

Word is that the new Stadium is not particularly conducive to television cameras. The camera behind home plate, for instance, will have to shoot through the protective netting. Unlike the steeper old Stadium, there is no position to get a clean shot from that angle.

YES folks also say the camera locations down the lines are not optimal. There is already talk that YES, ESPN and other broadcast entities will request changes.

The Yankees own a percentage of YES, so you would think they would have worked closely with the broadcasters to make sure they were happy.

Presumably, these problems will have solutions. The old Stadium always looked so good on television. You would think the new park should look even better.

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  1. ANSKY March 27th, 2009 at 11:46 am

    Important question I posted from the previous thread:

    Back when I was riding my bike about 40 miles a day (about 12 years & 50 pounds ago) I sometimes wore this thing called a Camel Back when I took a much longer ride. For those of you not familiar, a Camel Back is a soft neoprene bladder that you can fill with a couple liters of water/gatorade/whatever and you wear it like a mini backpack. While you ride, you drink through a flexible straw/tube that snakes from the bottom of the Camel Back to your mouth.

    Does anybody know if I can fill it with ph-balanced, anti-oxidant French mineral water (meaning: cold beer) then wear it either over or under my jacket/shirt as I enter the stadium? It has no hidden compartments for carrying anything else, not even a key ring … it’s just a bladder with shoulder straps and the flex-tube straw.

  2. Tom in NJ March 27th, 2009 at 11:49 am

    Sounds like something I did in college, ANSKY.

  3. bartap March 27th, 2009 at 11:51 am

    Thank god you’re not asking about a stadium buddy (look it up if you’re unfamiliar)!

  4. FormerBOX607 March 27th, 2009 at 11:53 am

    Is there any surprise. The only thing they cared about when making this stadium was how many premium seats and luxury boxes can we make. All other thoughts were secondary, including whether the people in the right field bleachers could see left field and vice versa. Greed trumps intelligence.

  5. Kat March 27th, 2009 at 11:54 am

    ANSKY,

    I have a partial plan. A few years ago, my dad and I were at the stadium one saturday afternoon. There was a pregnant woman a few rows over from us. I felt bad for her, climbing all those ramps and stairs, as she seemed VERY pregnant – it must have been difficult!

    We also noticed that she had some weird tube near her. I thought it was the strap to her purse. My dad was convinced she was on some sort of IV drip or oxygen tank or something.

    Later in the game, we saw her and the gentlemen with her pour something from the tube into their cups. Apparently, she was wearing a strap-on belly, filled with a tasty beverage. By the end of the game, she was no longer pregnant but she and her pals were VERY drunk.

    http://www.thebeerbelly.com/

  6. dadofjft March 27th, 2009 at 11:57 am

    Sorry to burst your bladder, ANSKY, but no alcoholic beverages from outside are allowed in.

    And I hate seeing shots through the netting behind the plate. I don’t like sitting behind the screen and I like it even less on tv. How were issues like this not addressed a year or two ago?

  7. darkmoonfire March 27th, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    I find it astonishing that they didn’t get whomever is the Director of Photography for YES involved in the design process.

    Especially considering how important the revenue is from the YES Network.

    They can build a restaurant under the batter’s eye, but can’t figure out a way to give cameras an optimal protected place to shoot from?

    Not to mention they could have even designed some built-in feature, a unique camera vantage point, one that would shock and awe, and thus be the envy of all other clubs and networks.

    Wasted opportunity! Sure fans will still watch YES. Sure they probably won’t lose money. But they could have gained a lot of new subscribers with even more awesome images.

  8. fuzzy March 27th, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    I love it!

  9. Laura - Just because I'm losing doesn't mean I'm lost! March 27th, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    Pete, do we know yet if the Yankees are going with Pena or Berroa for the utility man spot?

  10. murphydog March 27th, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    I cannot believe that HOK Sport screwed this up, considering all of the other stadiums they designed. Pete, did you get a quote from them?

  11. Betsy March 27th, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    Regarding the locker situation from a previous thread, thanks for the information. I have to assume the players get to choose their lockers and who they want to be neighbors with.

  12. Max March 27th, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    The Yankees sure made a lot of mistakes for a 1.3 billion dollar ballpark. Holy hannah this is getting real embarrassing!!!

  13. gayle March 27th, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    It really is amazing that for Lonn Trost who has said in many many interviews that they worked very hard in the design of this stadium and that they went to other stadiums to see what worked and what did not work for them to miss SO MANY of the little things when building the stadium i s an embarassment.

    Let’s see:

    They messed up the bleachers with the restaurant so that you only see half the field thus they had to reduce costs of seats by $9/seat

    They messed up seats near the foul pole with obstructions as well as some other locations around the stadium with obstructions and again had to reduce tickets to $5

    I am not even mentioning the way they dealt with the relocation process and what about the fact that the ticket vouchers that they gave out at this year’s food drive..Guess what they ran out of tickets for those vouchers very nice way to handle things.

    And now we hear about the TV angles. We are talking about the New York Yankees who are the most televised team in Baseball.If I recall they asked the beat writers some suggestions on what could make their area better but neglected to ask the TV people just doesn’t make much sense to me and I wonder how much additional cost they will incur after that fact.

  14. number 2 for prez March 27th, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    I hear way more bad things about this park then good things! unbelievable!!!!

  15. Dora Ewards March 27th, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    Let’s be honest the old Yankee Stadium looked like crap on tv. Always has – even since the renovations anyways.

  16. Phil March 27th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    It’s pretty easy to fix this stuff, and that’s why they’re having the dry runs, etc.

  17. Sandman March 27th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    I blame David Ortiz. :)

    If his shirt hadn’t been buried under the stadium (albeit for a short time) then maybe the camera angles would have been fine!

    It’s all his fault.

  18. Guy March 27th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    Does anyone think for a second that all new stadiums don’t go through this? Come on don’t be naive. Stuff like this is why they have the exhibitions. It’ll be fine. Many and I mean MANY stadiums have had to make minor alterations soon after opening. And the camera behind home plate issue is common sense. Would rather have a worse viewing angle at the parl or put a net in front of a secondary camera? Come on. This getting people worked up over nothing because its the big, bad Yankees.

  19. Bronx Jeers March 27th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    ansky,

    I’ve been thinking about that for years. In colder weather it sounds possible.

    For the more refined alcohol users there is always the Spanish “bota” for wine.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi.....e_vino.jpg

    And of course there’s always the good old flask.

    speaking of beer choices, the upper deck was where it was at for beer. For years I sat in section 16 with a Heineken vendor right there. A few sections farther into left was the fosters Oil Can vendor.

  20. sumo March 27th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    speak for yourself dora. i always thought the stadium looked great, especially in october

  21. Rishi March 27th, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    Randy Levine article:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03.....e.html?hpw

  22. Giuseppe Franco March 27th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    This isn’t going to be a major issue and I’m sure they’ll use the preseason games against the Cubs for their dry run and experiment a little with different camera angles.

    Technology will eventually prevail and we’ll hardly see a difference between the old Stadium and new one by the home opener.

  23. William Buckner March 27th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    “Let’s be honest the old Yankee Stadium looked like crap on tv. Always has – even since the renovations anyways.”

    What? Looked fine. Looked great from the seats in person too.

  24. m March 27th, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    The solution will cost you about $10. How about a big pair of sewing scissors? Just cut the GD hole in the net for the camera bays.

  25. m March 27th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    Question. Got sucked into a movie with Kevin Costner last night. He played on old Detroit pitcher pitching a perfect game against the Yankees. Anyone know what it was called and care to offer a review? It wasn’t his finest and the movie itself wasn’t terribly good.

  26. JR Yankees March 27th, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    I think this is much ado about nothing. The Yankees and YES network will figure it out and we won’t even notice a difference come opening day.

    Of course, in the meantime, ESPN will be all over this discussing the many failures in the Stadium’s design.

  27. William Buckner March 27th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    “The solution will cost you about $10. How about a big pair of sewing scissors? Just cut the GD hole in the net for the camera bays.”

    Love it!!! If you can make Fenway camera friendly, you can do it anywhere. Half of their seats are obstructed.

  28. JR Yankees March 27th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    “For Love of the Game”

    Not a great movie but worth watching as a baseball fan.

  29. murphydog March 27th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    Rishi:

    Ah, yes. Randy Levine. What a refreshing reminder of all things Giuliani. Still, it’s nothing short of comical to see two old pros like Brodsky and Levine snarling at each other, when each knows it’s all for show and is a complete waste of taxpayer time and money.

    Torre has made reference to his shout down at Levine in a conference call, while Joe was still manager, telling Randy to shut the **** up when Randy offered baseball opinions. You don’t tell Randy Levine to shut the **** up. Ever. Maybe Rudy could, maybe George Steinbrenner could, but Torre could not. Anyway, Randy’s fingerprints are all over the Torre exit, his style all the way. IMO, the Steins could/would not have tossed Torre themselves so Randy stood up and took care of biz for the old man.

  30. Warrior21 March 27th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    I’m sure it will be fine!!

    By the way, that Ad on the right of the front page for the “Snoring Aid” is probably the dumbest thing I have ever seen.

  31. William Buckner March 27th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    Wasn’t it, “For the Love of The Game”.

    Watched it on bus trip to Yankee came and lost a bet cause I thought the female lead was Sean Penn’s wife.

    Too much of a chick flick.

  32. Steve Balboni March 27th, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    Sad that so far CitiField sounds alot nicer than Yankee Stadium, apart from the teams playing there.

    Of course all that could change in April.

  33. Bronx Jeers March 27th, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    I think it was called

    For The Love Of The Game

    certainly not a great baseball movie by any stretch.

    I sort of wished he was portrayed as more of a journeyman pitcher giving the performance of his life instead of the Maddux like character they offered.

  34. Mike March 27th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    Awesome, not only can I not afford tickets anymore, the games on tv are going to be terrible now also?

  35. dynasty26 March 27th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    http://newstadiuminsider.blogs.....ystem.html

    I dunno if anyone else has seen this but this is extremely ridiculous.

  36. m March 27th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    Haha, thanks. Knew I could count on you guys.

    Is it CC tonight? Doesn’t even really matter, the whole rotation is worth looking forward to. Kind of like scratch and sniff. Uh, never mind.

  37. ANSKY March 27th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    Kat – she was probably thinner too! :)

    I was planning on wearing mine under the front of my shirt, to look sort of like a beer belly. Outside on the back like it’s supposed to be worn might get too much attention at the gate if it’s not allowed.

    I think I’ll take the risk …. if I try and the security guards say no, I either have to lose it to security or try to find someplace that stores backpacks during the game. Unless someplace is available inside, that might be hard to do after they’ve taken my ticket. I wouldn’t want to lose it.

  38. jennifer March 27th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    ANSKY

    Just say you are a hunchback. :lol:

    Kat- That is hysterical

  39. jennifer March 27th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    gayle- Re: ticket vouchers, the extended it for the entire year. Mon-Thurs non premium games.

  40. Yanksgal07 March 27th, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    I’ve been to the new Stadium …it’s unbelievable and most things with the exception of restaurant in centerfield blocking some of the bleacher seats will be rectified after the dry run exhibition games if not before. The place is truly amazing and the inside …field and seating…still have the feel of the old Stadium which is what I love most especially the frieze/facade running around the top of it. The place looks fantastic ..

    Go Yankees 2009 !!!

  41. Ico J. March 27th, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    MMMMMMM– beer that has been warmed by my body for 3 hours. Duff-licious!

  42. gayle March 27th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    Did anyone else see the blurb in the New York Post how the Yankees refused an ad for Jane Heller’s book Confessions of a She Fan in the program because it was “too controversial”

    For anyone who has read the book it is anything BUT controversial.Honestly if they talked to any of their fans about that season they would find the majority felt the same way Jane just was able to write about it in a public fashion with humour and sincerity.

    Although we never will would love to hear from the Yankees what they found so controversial.

  43. ANSKY March 27th, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    Ico J

    Easy solution – just slip a cold pack inside of it. You can buy one at the drug store that takes up the volume of about half a beer. I can live with that.

  44. wood is good March 27th, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    dynasty26 — that “rule” has already been changed. Anyone can roam anywhere throughout the stadium.

  45. Cal March 27th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    “For many fans who can’t afford tickets or live in another part of the country, television will be their window to the new Yankee Stadium.
    But how good will that window be?
    Word is that the new Stadium is not particularly conducive to television cameras. The camera behind home plate, for instance, will have to shoot through the protective netting. Unlike the steeper old Stadium, there is no position to get a clean shot from that angle.
    YES folks also say the camera locations down the lines are not optimal. There is already talk that YES, ESPN and other broadcast entities will request changes.
    The Yankees own a percentage of YES, so you would think they would have worked closely with the broadcasters to make sure they were happy.
    Presumably, these problems will have solutions. The old Stadium always looked so good on television. You would think the new park should look even better.”

    Pete can you please closely look into the things you report and verify it because you will get some Yankee fans in a tizzy over some of the stuff you post and then it is not to the degree your headline makes it out to be. I mean I have gotten accustomed to this from the media in recent time, hence your blog is one of the few media I take the time to read any longer.

    First thing the cameras behind home plate, are you kidding me, that is a shot that is rarely utilized in an MLB broadcast feed. At most that camera angle is shown once or twice in the course of a game.

    As long as the primary CF camera where the majority of the game is shot from is not like the one in Washington Nationals park, i.e. shot from that high angle then I have no problems.

    P.S. besides I could care less what ESPN’s issues are, too bad for them. The majority of the games I will see are on YES and I don’t exactly have any affinity for ESPN, wish they were not doing one single Yankee game. They just find more ways to bring annoying baseball coverage, adding Steve Phillips to a booth with Joe Morgan, Yankee Stadium camera angles should be the least of their issues.

    I’ve seen nothing here that isn’t adjustable, camera angles down the line, whatever that means. I thought the dimensions were the same as the old stadium. So what would the issue be about angles down the line, sounds like too much free time for some folks to nitpick without seeing a game broadcasted as yet. Sheesh.

  46. Peter Abraham March 27th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    Cal:

    ESPN and YES use the same camera angles, so you should care. I’m not suggesting any of this is not fixable. I’m just reporting what many people from YES have told me.

  47. JOJO March 27th, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    The Old Yankee Stadium wasn’t built with camera positioning in mind either, but they found a way to incorporate them in rather nicely.

    I have a feeling they can find a way to fit them in at the New Yankee Stadium as well.

    ARod! We need you. We’re running out of things to talk about.

  48. Cal March 27th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    “ESPN and YES use the same camera angles, so you should care. I’m not suggesting any of this is not fixable. I’m just reporting what many people from YES have told me.”

    I will wait to see the first game against the Cubs before I pronounce any assertions as to the quality of the broadcast, camera angles, satisfaction, etc. Sorry Pete but I find it hard to believe that they could construct an entirely new stadium and not take into account such things, when YES owned by the New York Yankees will be the primary broadcaster as opposed to ESPN, MLB Network, Fox Sports or TBS.

    You figured the TV broadcast setup would be tied into the construction of the Stadium, could they possibly be that shortsighted. b.t.w what exactly constitutes good or bad camera angles down the line.

    This is why I say I will wait until the April 6th broadcast to see with my own eyes if things look that drastically off key. As long as it doesn’t look like the Washington Nationals camera angles, I’m cool.

  49. Cal March 27th, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    “ARod! We need you. We’re running out of things to talk about.”

    LOL, Hey let that guy stay in Vale, no need for his circus to come back to town. The media must be going through withdrawals without their Arod fix.

  50. Tterba March 27th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    How does something like this happen ??????? wouldnt you want it to look great on TV so everyone wants to go there??

  51. curious March 27th, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    “They messed up seats near the foul pole with obstructions as well as some other locations around the stadium with obstructions and again had to reduce tickets to $5″

    every stadium has foul poles with obstructed views including the old one.

    they didn’t “screw up” anything.

  52. curious March 27th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    Pete, you sure do a great job of whipping people into a frenzy over nothing.

    there will have to be adjustments made.

    Jesus, people. how do you react when something ACTUALLY important happens in your lives?

  53. Bob Ruffolo March 27th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    It’s amazing when you hear things like this. A billion dollar cathedral and it’ll look sub-par on TV? Like the trade for Randy Johnson, I’m again asking, what are the Yankees thinking?

  54. wood is good March 27th, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    For those people commenting here thinking the camera angles will be lousy before THEY EVEN SHOW ONE GAME — I’d hate to see your reactions to someone lighting a match. “FIRE!!! FIRE!!!!!!”

    Yeeesh. Believe me, it’s all gonna be a-okay for the new season. Cool yer jets.

  55. Arcobug March 27th, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    boo

  56. Gus March 27th, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    How is Pete “whipping people up” he is just telling us what he has heard from people in the know. I find it interesting .

  57. grazlaw March 27th, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    why is it surprising that the guy who forced torre out would be so shortsighted. Ridiculous game seat prices; arrogance; seats where you pay to only see half the field and poor tv viewing. randy levine has done it again. when will the yankees get rid of this loser. he was only hired from the guliani administration to fleece the city into public funding of the stadium. he certainly had no other expertise in running a baseball club.

  58. ChrisinCT March 28th, 2009 at 8:54 am

    This is just the trial and error and shakedown period that will be needed to figure out, “what’s best for the fans.” The Yankees will makes sure they have the best camera positions for optimal viewing. This is just part of the process.

    Let’s also remember that these are the Yankees, so whatever they do relative to on the field and off the field decision will be scrutinized all the more. I have a feeling people will be raving about the stadium come the “real” opening day 4/16.

    One other thing, I am a partial season (11 game) ticket plan holder and received my call yesterday with my ticket package so the relocation process is still taking place.

  59. Bronx Baseball Daily March 28th, 2009 at 10:13 am

    Terrific. For a $1.5 billion stadium it certainly has it’s share of problems. I guess it’s a pretty good metaphor for the team itself.

  60. Ian March 28th, 2009 at 10:32 am

    wood is good – where does it say that rule has been changed. The A to Z guide still says “Please note that only Field Level and Legends ticket holders have access to the Field Level.”

    Also, the stadium has wifi, yet the A to Z guide says that laptops are banned. Is the wifi only for the suites, or for smartphones?

  61. pft March 28th, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    Not a Yankee fan, but in Taiwan thats all they seem to show on ESPN (rebroadcast of YES games) due to Wang mania, so I watch a lot of games. Being a Red Sox fan I don’t have to say who I root for, although I do like your various combo of announcers more than the idiots on NESN. And of course, the Red Sox broadcast from NY 9-10 games per year so lousy camera angles are a big deal, as it dampens the joy of victory.

    I tend to turn off games played in parks with lousy camera angles if it’s not a big game. The WBC was a perfect example, some games you could not see the pitch cross the plate because of the umpire. If not corrected, this may hurt ratings, depending on how bad the problem is. I expect the problems will be corrected, even if they have to lose some seats, and it is good they discovered the problem earlier rather than later.

    I guess it’s that ring curse from 2000 that still follows the Yankees. This kind of mistake is what you see from the KC and Tampa Bays of the world, not NY. Give the scouts their ring already and end the curse.

  62. Stuart April 5th, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    I watched Friday’s broadcast of the Yankees vs. Cubs and I was shocked and appalled at what I witnessed. The camera shots from behind home plate were simply horrific! The ever-present mesh netting was intrusive, distracting and gave the telecast the look and feel of a spring training game! It’s astonishing that this $1.5 billion dollar palace could be designed with such a fatal flaw! Somehow, someway, something must be done to correct this problem. What a travesty!

  63. bc April 6th, 2009 at 8:38 am

    I agree with everything Stuart said. They must have known about this for a while and nothing has been done yet to fix the problem. It makes me think that it’s not an easy fix. If on April 16th we see the netting then we know it’s going to be a major TV viewing issue.

  64. JoeyAltura April 10th, 2009 at 11:45 pm

    The new Yankee Stadium ticket prices are incredibly expensive. As a Yankee fan I wish my team the best.

    However, the Stadium prices are an Epic Failure and I hope they don’t even fill the New Stadium on a Red Sox or other rival night.

    This is so sad, heartbreaking and redefines the greed for money.

    Shame on the Yankees organization and shame on MLB for letting this happen.

    Minor League and College Baseball is where I’m headed to this summer. Screw the New Yankee Stadium, I’ll never set foot in that place even if I had $2600.00 for a seat.

    That’s ridiculous!!! What fool would waste that kind of money for a baseball game?

    I mean really–please name some people that would waste that kind of money and say it was worth it. You have got to be kidding me. Even “disposable income” folk would tell you that this is blatantly wrong–unless they are part of the situation.

    Greedy Bastards! I hope the Stadium FAILS MISERABLY!

  65. jeff beck November 22nd, 2009 at 8:29 pm

    I often sneak beer into games… This past season I got caught and took a pretty tough fine…I think it is time to sober up..not worth it

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