Spring Game 30: Reds at Yankees
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Mar 27, 2009 
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YANKEES
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Nady RF
Ransom 3B
Gardner CF
Pitching today: CC Sabathia, Mariano Rivera, Damaso Marte and Jon Albaladejo.
REDS
McDonald CF
Hairston SS
Phillips 2B
Nix RF
Gomes DH
Rosales 3B
Jones 1B
Hernandez C
Hopper LF
Pitching tonight: Aaron Harang, Daniel Ray Herrera, Mike Lincoln, Josh Roenicke, Pedro Viola.
Notes: The game is at 7:15 p.m. and will be on WCBS. … Mariano has faced 13 hitters this spring and retired 12 of them. He has six strikeouts and has thrown 30 of his 43 pitches for strikes. That’s 3.3 pitches per batter. … CC will be looking to get around 90-100 pitches. Then he’ll dial it back during his final start on Wednesday. … Back later with more.
Meanwhile, I’m in a home run pool with some friends. Here’s my team: Ryan Braun, David Wright, Grady Sizemore, Jason Giambi, Vladimir Guerrero and Hideki Matsui. I won it all last year.
Back later with more.
UPDATE, 3:03 p.m.: David Robertson is hoping to get into the game tonight. He hasn’t pitched since March 20. That would seem to indicate that Robertson is probably not making the 25-man roster.
UPDATE, 3:38 p.m.: Baseball players are a cold bunch. A few of the writers were standing around Brett Gardner conducting an interview this afternoon when Brian Bruney walked by. “What happened? You get sent down?” he asked.
Gardner just laughed and went on answering the question. “We like giving each other a hard time,” he said.
UPDATE, 4:11 p.m.: The Yankees don’t screw around. Richard Gere is throwing out the first pitch and James Delisco (Judas in the national tourning company of Jesus Christ Superstar) will sing the national anthem. The show’s company will perform Take Me Out To The Ballgame in the seventh inning.
UPDATE, 6:24 p.m.: Joe Girardi said in his pre-game interview that the Yankees would have their roster picked by Sunday or Monday. The plan remains going north with 12 pitchers, which would leave room for both Gardner and Cabrera.
Girardi said he knows who he wants in CF but wants to talk it over with Brian Cashman and the coaches first.
The Yankees also plan to bring more than 25 players to New York for the Cubs series. The final cuts will come then.
UPDATE, 6:52 p.m.: Here’s a shot of Mark Teixeira, who was in Ybor City this afternoon playing stickball to help promote Yahoo! Sports fantasy baseball. The game featured players from the Florida Stickball League.
UPDATE, 7:25 p.m.: That CC Sabathia is a nice guy. To make Joba feel better about himself, he just threw 23 pitches in the first inning. But all he allowed was a single.
UPDATE, 7:47 p.m.: It’s 1-1. Jeter doubled and scored on a single by Tex in the first. The Reds had three singles in the top of the second.
UPDATE, 8:27 p.m.: The Yankees have gone up 3-1 in the fourth. Nady had a double. But it was an error and a passed ball that scored the runs. GGBG walked and was part of a double steal with Ransom.
UPDATE, 8:37 p.m.: CC has retired 10 straight. He really has his sinker working. The Yankees lead 4-1 in the middle of the fifth inning.
UPDATE, 9:07 p.m.: CC has retired 16 in a row. Just amazing. They need to get Mo and Dave Robertson an inning each, so that could be it for him.
UPDATE, 9:15 a.m.: Wow, CC back out for the eighth inning. So much for Dave Robertson.
Shelley Duncan (1B), Doug Bernier (2B), Angel Berroa (SS), Ramiro Pena (3B), Nick Swisher (LF), Melky Cabrera (CF), Todd Linden (RF) and Jose Molina ( C) all in now.
It appears Robertson will be sent to minor league camp in short order because Girardi hasn’t let the kid pitch in a week and Albaladejo now seems to be the primary threat for Edwar’s spot.
Too bad. I like Robertson a lot. The kid is almost unhittable when he gets that curve ball over.
We’ll see him soon enough, though. Someone will be ineffective or go down with an injury. It’s inevitable.
So it’s the soothing vocals of team Waldman/Sterling for another game.
I don’t think there’s another telecast until next Fri.
Only one word that describes my feelings about that.
YES!
Why does YES refuse to televise every ST game? Is it because of the Nets? They aren’t any good anyway. Or maybe Miked up Francessa draws more tv viewers than a day game? (I just laughed out loud.)
For those looking for Opening Day tickets. The Children’s Health Fund is auctioning of a pair see link below.
http://chf.childrenshealthfund.....KCoHp27bw..
It is a great organization and found about it here when Pete posted about their annual HR program. Especially in these times healthcare for kids is really a big issue.
bryanhoch: CC Sabathia to be on the cover of next week’s Sports Illustrated.
Roby NY,
Just a guess, but is YES broadcasting the Nets game tonight?
I like Robertson as well. His minor league stats are so impressive, I can’t believe that Yankees don’t have plans for him.
But, I wonder what Girardi and Cash think of him. I haven’t heard much from them about their assessment of Robertson.
Rishi -
Re: the SI cover – isn’t that not necessarily a good thing? (Or am I thinking about some silly superstition?)
Hey, anyone know what time is best to get autographs for a night game?
I’m really looking forward to another dominant Mariano Rivera year. He’s been lights out.
Albaladejo pitched yesterday…. seems kind of odd he would pitch again. Have any of our pitchers gone 2 days in a row?
Did Pete mean Robertson instead?
‘So it’s the soothing vocals of team Waldman/Sterling for another game.’
Makes you wish for Steve Philips and What’s his name doesn’t it ?
Mel– I’m sure they are, but does anybody really care? The nets are almost as worthless as the knicks these days. Devon Harris aside.
Yeah I agree. no idea why they like Albaladejo over Robertson.
Robertson is so underrated. Counting the Team USA game, Robertson has given up 2 hits in 8 innings with 12 Ks.
How can you not pick Ryan Howard in a home run pool?
So the lineup should be set by Monday, right? But that doesn’t mean they’re done looking at the relievers. Well, I mean they’ve probably already got Coke, Veras, and Edwar penciled in with Mo, Marte, and Bruney. Just need to decide on Tomko. But Albie’s probably in that mix. Albie>Giese. The roster should be set by the time they head north, right?
All Networks only show 10-12 ST games
The ratings do not justify the production costs for ST games, thats why these teams show only a handful of games on TV.
Doreen – the supersition has been refuted in recent years, hasn’t it? I’m thinking we should be ok
Well Kennedy has great ninor league numbers as well. That doesnt make a strong case for Robertson. I would go with Albaladejo if I were the Yankees. He had the better sprin, much better one, one it fairly.
Rob NY,
You know who’s headed to town. I like Devon Harris, but I’m hoping he’s still out tonight.
well not much better spring. He had a much better 2008.
Rishi -
Yeah, we’ll be okay!
‘Mel—I’m sure they are, but does anybody really care? The nets are almost as worthless as the knicks these days. Devon Harris aside.’
The Nets aren’t worthless, thier coach is, the players on that team have so much upside and potential but Lawrence Frank is a joke and that’s no secret, seriously Reggie Theus is out there and he could do a better job than LF, I bet anyone on this blog would do better than LF.
Not that winter stats matter to anyone, but Albaladejo had terrific one in the Caribbean leage. They used him as a closer. Berrrry nice numbers.
I originally advocated Coke for the long man, but he is way too good to be a long man. He may be our setup man.
You need a mediocre pitcher who can eat innings in blowouts, where you don’t need to worry about preserving his arm or using multiple relievers in games that are decided.
People that complain about Waldman and Sterling. Would you rather have someone like Hawk Harrelson? “Good guys 4, Bad guys 2″ “He Gone!!!!!!!” “You can put it on the boooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrdddddddddddddd YES!!!!!!!!!!!!”
If Joba showed he could be even remotely economical this Spring, I think they would forgo the long man and take a guy like Albie who could pitch 2-3 innings occasionally IF a starter goes out early.
But I think they are afraid that Joba has too many games where he has no command and will kill the pen (plus his innings limit) so they need that long guy to preserve him.
I would love someone to shut that Chicago crew up with a can o’ corn.
‘People that complain about Waldman and Sterling. Would you rather have someone like Hawk Harrelson? “Good guys 4, Bad guys 2” “He Gone!!!!!!!” “You can put it on the boooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrdddddddddddddd YES!!!!!!!!!!!!” ‘
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES !
“But I think they are afraid that Joba has too many games where he has no command and will kill the pen (plus his innings limit) so they need that long guy to preserve him.”
Joba is not going to “kill the pen” because he has 4 other guys surrounding him in the rotation that should be good for 200 innings (we all know Burnett’s injury history, but when he is able to take the mound, he can pitch deep into games)
“killing a pen” has to be a team effort. every team can afford for their 5th starter only pitching 5-6 innings.
if CC, Burnett, Wang, and Andy do what we think they will, this is not going to be a problem. at all.
haha i love hawk
Hey anyone else notice Mo always seems to pitch after CC in ST? Any idea why? Just a schedule thing?
Girardi and Manuel’s jobs on the line
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....0;-or-else
in 10 starts joba was allowed to throw 90 pitches. joba went 6 inning 7 out of 10 and throw a 5.2 as well
I think they’re trying to see how CC looks setting up Mo.
Yes, ‘killing the pen’ takes a team effort. Like the recent injury plagued years. Sometimes even the manager can help if you look back afar enough.
This year should be better. Far better. Even with Jobamania on an innings limit. Should be.
“Ryan Braun, David Wright, Grady Sizemore, Jason Giambi, Vladimir Guerrero and Hideki Matsui.”
I cant believe you dont have Gardner on that list.
Speaking of Gardner, is this pretty much what our opening day lineup is going to look like?
I was just thinking about Matsui’s wife and thought that he should upgrade from B & W to Color.
Hanley Ramirez cranky with the new Marlins dress code.
http://www.nbcmiami.com/sports.....Rules.html
M … that … was … a … good one!
Baseball Prospectus picks the Yanks to win 100 and the Sox and Rays to win 95 each?
I’ll take it.
“I’m sick of this s—,” the message read, in thick Sharpie letters.
“I’m angry,” Ramirez said. “I want to be traded.”
Ramirez was not only forced to cut off his cornrows under the new policy, he also won’t be allowed to wear jewelry while playing.
“It’s incredible,” he said later. “We’re big-leaguers.”
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Earth to Hanley, if you were an adult you wouldn’t have written across your body in a black sharpie.
oops left this part out.
After the star shortstop was forced to shear his long locks, he strolled through the clubhouse sharing his opinion of the new fashion rules across his chest, according to the Sun-Sentinel.
Hey Pete, are you going to leave Spring Training a few days early, get a tour of the Stadium, do a piece / report on the new stadium? Unless I missed it from the papers, no one has done any pieces on the new stadium. If they have, someone post a link so I can check it out.
Doesn’t sound like Hanley would fit in with the Yankees.
Brandon– no doubt Frank stinks. I don’t know how he still has a job. Well sure I do he’s a yes man who generally does as he’s told. But the team stinks this year. Despite their quality athletes. No worries m the lakers will win In the swamp.
Joe Newsday and the Daily News are doing pieces this weekend.
Opening Day lineup?
M- he would fit in just fine for a hundred or so million dollars!
Hanley Ramirez sounds like an at-risk youth. I hope the Marlins are proving 24-hour cougar protection.
The rest of that article had Hanley going Bipolar w/ an I’m sorry to the Marlins, that guy isn’t going anywhere, the new home will feature him as thier brand name player.
BTW why is Carlos Urena in AA ?
From Rotoworld: Speaking at a press conference Friday, Jose Tabata said his wife lied to him about being pregnant and wanted to pass the baby she took as her own.
Tabata also said she lied about much of her past. “One that hurt me a lot was her history as a criminal — that she had spent years in prison, that she had robbed and committed fraud,” he said. “But the worst lie was that she completely falsified her pregnancy and the eventual birth of a baby girl, which would have made me a father for the first time. Imagine how that made me feel.” Tabata’s has not been implicated of any wrong doing in his wife’s case. Hopefully, he’ll come out of all this a lot wiser than he was going in.
“Girardi and Manuel’s jobs on the line”
that was a wierd article in that it was basically all about Jeter.
playing Jeter is not really Girardi’s decision. he’s going to play.
so, i’m not sure i understand the point of the article…that Jeter is going to bring down the Yankees’ season and Girardi with it?
Rob NY,
Yeah, I’m sure he would change his POV for that kind of money! He could buy Tiffany’s if he wanted to.
There’s a pic of Hanley on the front page of mlb.com. No dreads, no smile.
Sad story, so she passed off a kid she claimed to have been Jose’s in D.R. and lied about it all this time, I’m not in favor of men hitting women but if that ever isn’t a slap to the face moment or atleast water in your face story.
Will this game be on mlb tv??
‘There’s a pic of Hanley on the front page of mlb.com. No dreads, no smile.’
It’s much ado about nothing, he’s going nowhere it’s just a temper tantrum, he took it back later on, the dude is just bored.
Wow. Senora Tabata must’ve been a really good liar and Jose must’ve been really in love. I hope he cuts ties with her and moves on.
I didn’t even bother clicking on the article about Manuel and Girardi. Manuel just won a world series and is well respected, he’d get another job. And firing Girardi would be the Yankees’ loss. Girardi would be hired the next day and we’d have to find someone else to deal with the madness. It’s not as easy as it looks.
well not much better spring. He had a much better 2008.
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Albaladejo had a better 2008 than Robertson?
Uh, not exactly.
Albaladejo only threw 13.0 IP in the bigs last season before his elbow injury.
Robertson has nastier stuff and more upside. He misses a lot of bats and always has.
For informational purposes only:
Steve Phillips on TMKS with Don LaGreca
Likes the line up change
Thinks Mo is still Number 1 closer – Pap and Lidge are 2 and 3 (no mention of krod)
Mo is hands down the best closer – not even close
Eckersly agrees
LaGreca
is totally being a tool. “Are you worried about Mariano Rivera. He could break down at anytime like all these other guys did” Trying to manufacture a topic
I’ll worry when there is something to worry about.
Mariano is NOT like all those other guys.
Franco – Exactly
The Albaladejo-love is nauseating. The guy went from underrated to overrated pretty quickly.
Robertson has a much higher upside than him. Stats are irrelevant, watching them pitch, it should be apparent.
I don’t get it – why wasn’t Robertson already sent down if he wasn’t going to pitch? What exactly was the point in keeping him around? He had an outstanding spring, but his competition has as well. I really like Alabadejo, so if he makes it and Robertson doesn’t, I’m not going to be upset. I’m just annoyed that the Yankees have kept this kid on ice for so long and now he’s not even going to pitch tonight.
The SI article is undoubtedly going to be a trash piece about how CC will suck in NY – I certainly will not buy the magazine and very likely won’t even read it on-line.
Question I thought I read in 2007 his wife was pregnant with twins.
I shut LaGreca off, lol. People have been worrying about Rivera for years and he just goes on and on like the Energizer Bunny. I’m not saying Mo won’t break down before he retires, but waiting for it to happen is like waiting for Godot. He’s already pitched superbly for many years past where closers already ordinarily do so, so what makes this year different?
Fear not. David Robertson will be back sooner rather than later.
“I think they would forgo the long man and take a guy like Albie who could pitch 2-3 innings occasionally”
Any of the relievers could pitch 2-3 innings but it’s not a good idea if you don’t want them to get injured or worn out. Whether you go with Ramirez, Alby, Robertson, or someone else, it’s a good idea to have a long man who has been prepared for 3+ innings.
They abused Alby last season by having him throw multiple innings (and Marte also comes to mind). Alby got hurt and Marte was worn out / injured.
Betsy good analogy.
“Robertson has a much higher upside than him. Stats are irrelevant, watching them pitch, it should be apparent.”
We have another clueless wannabe scout in the house.
“I didn’t even bother clicking on the article about Manuel and Girardi. Manuel just won a world series and is well respected, he’d get another job”
it’s the Mets’ Manuel not the Phillies’ Manuel…
When does BP start for a night game?
Anyone ? really anyone answer please ? Why is Carlos Urena in AA Trenton’s roster ?
Who exactly argued that Albie was better than Robertson? Nobody knowledgeable would. Just because he hasn’t pitched, doesn’t mean the organization thinks so.
That’s like yesterday when someone tried to argue that Melancon was overhyped and Albaladejo is a safer bet.
Opening day line up minus Alex?
m-
“I didn’t even bother clicking on the article about Manuel and Girardi. Manuel just won a world series and is well respected, he’d get another job. And firing Girardi would be the Yankees’ loss. Girardi would be hired the next day and we’d have to find someone else to deal with the madness. It’s not as easy as it looks.”
That’s Jerry Manuel, the Mets manager.
Girardi already said if Veras, Coke, and Ramirez pitched well, they would make the team based on the work they did last year. Edwar’s making the team. The only intrigue left is who the long man is (not like it really matters anyway).
Does anyone here hate he guy who writes the pinstripe bible blog steve goldman? I cant stand the approach the guy takes to the yankees. Petere Abraham is a much better writer and honestly I would like it if this blog was the official yankees blog. Pete tells me stuff I want to know, steve goldman is just annoying.
curious,
Oops. Forgot about that one. How un-gangta of me!
“Opening day line up minus Alex?”
ummm….no….just opening day lineup…
why would Alex be in the opening day lineup?
I don’t think Charlie Maunel’s job is on the line LOL he just won a world series
jennifer,
The opening day roster won’t have Alex either.
The rest of you,
Really? Arguing over middle relievers? Neither is “vastly superior” to the other. Neither one has Mo’s stuff and makeup, so getting snarky over who’s better is, well, just being snarky.
I love how the YES graphics during the games still show Humberto Sanchez as being ‘in the mix’ for a spot in the pen lol
Anyone,
Is Jeter leading off because:
1. He had better OBP and BA when leading off innings, and hits lefties and righties equally well?
2. He hit into the 2nd most DP’s in AL last year?
3. He’s done well there before, and the Yankees are preparing for not resigning Damon, and not having to rely on Gardner as the leadoff batter next year?
Jeter’s situational stats-
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/p...../2008/7758
Sorry to bring this up, but how long will it take for Joba’s fastball to come back to life. Apparently its still at 89-94… with only 2 more spring training games should I be worrying or no?
The game isn’t on tv again.
Brandon is Carlos Urena not ready for AA?
David A,
Don’t worry, Pete said everything’s okay and anyone who worries is an idiot.
love love love what gardner brings to the table
i hope he hits enough to be a mainstay in our OF, not just a stop gap.
I miss typed. Forgive me I am doing 12 things at once.
I had a Red Sox fan ask me the same question today about Joba’s velocity. Is he holding back, worrying more on location and using his other pitches?
He should warm up and pull a “Ryne Duren” who wore coke-bottle glasses and threw the heater, while warming up over the catchers head to warn the players on deck not to get to comfortable at the plate.
Ryne Duren interesting bio:
http://findarticles.com/p/arti.....i_n6189432
“Who exactly argued that Albie was better than Robertson? Nobody knowledgeable would.”
I haven’t seen anyone really arguing that Albie is better than Robertson.
However, only a naive idiot would say with such authority that Robertson is clearly better than Albie.
The fact is, they both look pretty good and none of us know who is going to be better in the majors (if either of them will even be any good)
So enough with all the wannabe scouts giving their uninformed opinions. Put your head back in your asses and start rooting for all of the relievers to succeed instead of pretending you have a clue. I, for one, just want the Yankees to win and I’m going to pull for whoever makes the roster.
Brett Gardner in his second year at every minor league level
A – .323
AA – .300
AAA – .296
Would you be happy if he hit .290? Hells yea. Just sayin…
The Joba velocity talk is so last week.
Joba will pretty much never hit 99 as a starter, don’t believe the hype
The Joba velocity talk is so last week.
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Or at least so last thread..or two…or three…
Jeter was Tied for 7th in GDPs last year – not second
“Joba will pretty much never hit 99 as a starter, don’t believe the hype”
As far as I know, he would still be throwing 98 late in games as a starter in the minor leagues. He is capable of it if he chooses to. That’s not the point. He doesn’t need to throw 98 and whether or not he is during spring training is pretty much irrelevant.
Also,
See: AJ Burnett this spring (for those who didn’t see CB’s posts on this yesterday, you should head back and read them)
“Put your head back in your asses”
Stuart is that you? What the hell did i miss?
Would you be happy if he hit .290? Hells yea. Just sayin…
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As long as his SLG was at least .380, yes.
Joba was hitting 98, 99, and 100 in the 6th and 7th innings of minor league starts in July of 2007.
“Joba will pretty much never hit 99 as a starter, don’t believe the hype”
Do we really need him throwing that hard? He has 4 plus pitches and thats where his hype comes from. Not just because of his fastball. Give me 93-94 with good location of his other pitches and i’ll be happy.
The Yankees don’t necessarily need Gardner, their projected #9 hitter, to do much at all on offense. As long as he is league average for a 9 hitter, they’re ok.
He’s a solid defender in CF, which is huge considering their new commitment to pitching and to a lesser degree defense.
(I have optimism that he will be a pleasant surprise – we’ll see)
“Stuart is that you? What the hell did i miss?”
You missed about 10 people over the past several days telling us exactly how every middle reliever would fare in their MLB careers and anybody who didn’t realize it wasn’t knowledgeable.
I am gonna be at the game tonight, i almost went to the last cc game at home, but i decided today i was gonna get it done.Got some cheap seats and parking for $30 not bad.. to see the opening day yankees. If arod was there, itd had been the perfect lineup. We even get mo and cc!
“So enough with all the wannabe scouts giving their uninformed opinions.”
boston dave-
… so you have informed opinions and other’s don’t?
interesting . i’ll have to start paying more attention to your posts since they are so full of…
informed opinion.
Judas is singing the national anthem?
To get a little break away from the daily “Joba is losing it”, “Joba is a starter….no, you, idiot, he belongs in the bullpen”, *Albaladejo is better than Robertson….No, you know-nothing jerk..nobody’s better than Robertson”, Trader brought up the name of Ryne Duran. Duran not only threw harder than Gossage, but he was near-sighted, mean and an alcoholic. There’s a little background on the fastest pitcher who ever lived…Steve Dalkowski. Talk about the human tragedy, Steve still lives it.
Oooops. forgot the link. Well worth the time to read it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Dalkowski
Boston Dave – If someone said Albaladejo would be a star, you wouldn’t have said a word.
Face it, everyone has their favorite relievers, yours clearly is Albaladejo. You rip into anyone who is critical of him and high on someone else instead.
“You missed about 10 people over the past several days telling us exactly how every middle reliever would fare in their MLB careers and anybody who didn’t realize it wasn’t knowledgeable.”
Head back in their rears it is. If one thing we baseball fans should know is that middle relief is a crap shoot. Look at the white sox after the world series. Prior success doesnt guarantee anything. The only sure thing is the legend himeself. MO. The one thing we have this year over any other year in quite sometime is depth. These relievers will have to watch their backs at all times. If they struggle or get hurt, there will be someone to take their place that has the POTENTIAL to do great. 09 will finally feel like we’re back in our dynasty years. CANT WAIT!!!
27 is in sight!
“boston dave-
… so you have informed opinions and other’s don’t?”
Randy,
I don’t claim to be an expert and say things like ““Who exactly argued that Albie was better than Robertson? Nobody knowledgeable would.””
I often include “IMO” and try to respect others opinions. It’s only when people say things like “you’d have to be an idiot to think that” from someone who isn’t qualified to say it, that bothers me.
keep stirring the pot if you want, though. it’s about the only thing you’re good at.
The Yankees don’t necessarily need Gardner, their projected #9 hitter, to do much at all on offense. As long as he is league average for a 9 hitter, they’re ok.
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A league average CFer:
.274/.341/.447/.788
His highest SLG was .422 at SWB last season. To be league average, Gardner needs to have a terrific ISO D.
Dave is trying to be like CB or SJ44. Except those guys are actually knowledgeable and don’t need to be condescending to get their point across. Calling people who disagree with you “wannabee scouts” kills your credibility. Maybe it is you who is the “wannabee scout”, not the other people who have opinions.
Uncle E-
Jeter grounded into 24 DP’s last year, behind Guerrero and Ordonez with 27 each, and Peralta with 26, so he was in 3rd place in AL.
Anyway, have not heard the recent comments on Jeter in the leadoff position.
Is Jeter leading off because:
1. He had better OBP and BA when leading off innings, and hits lefties and righties equally well?
2. He hit into the 3rd most DP’s in “AL” last year?
3. He’s done well there before, and the Yankees are preparing for not resigning Damon, and not having to rely on Gardner as the leadoff batter next year?
“Boston Dave – If someone said Albaladejo would be a star, you wouldn’t have said a word.
Face it, everyone has their favorite relievers, yours clearly is Albaladejo. You rip into anyone who is critical of him and high on someone else instead.” ————–
Albie is FAR from a favorite of mine. I just don’t like people saying he’s “mediocre” and “clearly horrible” when there is no evidence of that. He has barely been given a chance. I REALLY like Robertson too. I have always said that both guys deserve a real shot.
That’s all.
Saying Robertson is better than Albaladejo hardly calls for an insult. What about the people who say Gardner is better than Melky or vice-versa?
“Calling people who disagree with you “wannabee scouts” kills your credibility. Maybe it is you who is the “wannabee scout”, not the other people who have opinions.” ———————–
It’s not that they disagree with me. It’s that they include statements in like:
““Who exactly argued that Albie was better than Robertson? Nobody knowledgeable would.””
If you guys can’t see the difference, sorry.
Has anyone jumped on the Igawa for long relief yet? Just asking.
Code X,
If you said that only an imbecile would say Melky is better, that would bother me.
If you say that you think Gardner is better, perfect!
Yankee Trader
Fair enough.
GB-7
Thanks for the link on your 4:20 post.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Dalkowski
Maybe velocity in those days was determined by how much pain was “registered” on the catcher’s face after they caught the 100+ mph fastball!!!
I sat behind home plate at the old Braves stadium when Rob Dibble was pitching, and you could hear the loud pop when his 100 mph fastball hit the catchers mitt.
I would bet that 99% of the people here haven’t seen these minor league relievers pitch in Scranton. We’re basing it on what we hear from Baseball America, Scout.com, and the beat writers themselves.
We form opinions based on the opinions of guys who HAVE seen them and get paid to scout. So using the “amateur scout” title is pretty hilarious, considering most people are just relaying information they heard from the people who actually watch these guys.
Dave – No need to get nasty with other posters when this is probably all they are doing
Sos,
Igawa’s been reassigned. It’s down to Tomko & Giese. And I personally think Albie’s in the mix. Because, hopefully, we won’t really need a long reliever. Because we’re not going to have any stinkers by our starters. Haha. So, it’s long reliever by title only and we’ll really be adding another middle reliever. Albaladejo. haha.
Uncle E-
Wanted to catch up on brief thoughts as to why Jeter might now be the Yankees leadoff hitter. Missed the last 2 days of posts.
“We form opinions based on the opinions of guys who HAVE seen them and get paid to scout.”
That’s fine. But people shouldn’t be taking an authoritative stance based on what they read on some blog.
If you want to agree with another scout, that’s great. But suggesting that anybody who disagrees is a fool, is ridiculous.
Im just glad we have people argueing about our middle relief rather than how many first basemans we will carry? Who’s our 4 and 5 pitchers? Hope they dont get hurt or we’re finished. Is Wang an Ace? Joba pen or no pen? Can we win in a short series?
Instead we’ve had middle relief arguements. Its all good fellas.
Tabata: Wife claimed baby was his own
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....type=story
not good.
“But suggesting that anybody who disagrees is a fool, is ridiculous.”
Anyone who thinks that’s ridiculous is a fool!
Just kidding Boston Dave, I agree with you.
“Tabata: Wife claimed baby was his own
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....type=story
not good.”
Maybe Lisa ‘Left Eye” Lopes and Tabata’s wife are related. Lopes of TLC fame burned down Andre Rison’s[Falcons receiver] house down. Your article mentioned that Tabata’s wife was incarcerated for two years for arson!!
Wannabee scouts hear the buzz first!
Doesn’t watching one inning of Spring baseball and saying Albaladejo’s stuff looks good and he isin’t mediocre, exactly what an amateur scout is, except in a positive light?
Just like saying Robertson’s stuff is better than Albie’s. Saying he is mediocre, or saying he is good is all a matter of opinion. Some like his stuff, some don’t.
Subjective opinions does not = amateur scouting. Even scouts themselves have 10 different opinions on the same player.
“I don’t claim to be an expert”
boston dave-
so maybe there is room for other’s opinions that differ from your own ?
“keep stirring the pot if you want, though. it’s about the only thing you’re good at.”
how do you know what i’m good at ?
oh, i forgot, you have “informed opinion”.
one thing i know is that if anyone here knew it all , they wouldn’t be here typing away for free. they’d be doing it for money somewhere.
sos our 4th and 5th starters are Andy and Joba. Tex is our everyday first baseman and swisher is the back up. duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yankee Trader
March 27th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
GB-7
Thanks for the link on your 4:20 post.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Dalkowski
Maybe velocity in those days was determined by how much pain was “registered” on the catcher’s face after they caught the 100+ mph fastball!!!
I sat behind home plate at the old Braves stadium when Rob Dibble was pitching, and you could hear the loud pop when his 100 mph fastball hit the catchers mitt.
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The remarkable thing about Dalkowski’s speed is that he was Gossade/Nolan Rynan size. He was 5’10″ and 170 pounds. Earl Weaver said in another article that if they had known about Steve’s lack of intelligence, such as remembering what each signal meant, he could have made it to the Bigs. The sad part about the complete story is that he remembers very little about that part of his life or in the later years.
“so maybe there is room for other’s opinions that differ from your own ?”
absolutely.
there’s even room for curmudgeons like you.
“sos our 4th and 5th starters are Andy and Joba. Tex is our everyday first baseman and swisher is the back up. duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
”
Should have been clearer. I was referring to last years questions.
Bernie on TMKS!
I don’t see what this argument is about.
If you want good info on a player, go find out info from the guys who watch them. The real ‘scouts’ or the people (like Pete and the other writers) who talk to scouts. Go read stuff by BA or ESPN by guys like Law, Callis, Patrick from PP, Goldstein etc.
Their opinions are more meaningful than anonymous guys on a blog. They actually watch these players and know how to scout. That is their job.
“Im just glad we have people argueing about our middle relief rather than how many first basemans we will carry? Who’s our 4 and 5 pitchers? Hope they dont get hurt or we’re finished. Is Wang an Ace? Joba pen or no pen? Can we win in a short series?
Instead we’ve had middle relief arguements. Its all good fellas.”
amen…there are like 2 things to debate, our utility IFer and the last spot in the bullpen.
think about that and then consider how impressive that is.
I don’t think Dave is claiming to “know it all”. He is just asking people to temper their own opinions. How can anyone here say that Robertson is absolutely, definitely, 100% better than Albaladejo? We can’t, we aren’t experts. We can have an opinion and back it up but to unequivocally say that Robertson is clearly better is pretty silly.
I don’t know if Bruney wants to mess with Gardner. Bruney’s not very big anymore. haha. Gardner with a bunch of writers around him, huh? He better show up in his last few appearances. Melky’s closing up the gap.
Richard Gere? Not bad, not bad.
from rotoworld –
“Glavine’s arm clearly isn’t in shape yet, as he was struggling to break 80 mph today, but it hasn’t stopped him from throwing seven scoreless innings in his two official appearances this spring.”
Glavine getting outs throwing in the 70′s. even for ST, that’s not too shabby.
Thank you Patrick. That is exactly what I meant.
Apparently, my intentions were misinterpreted by some and I’m sorry if that’s my fault. I got too worked up over it anyway.
The common ground, I hope, is that we are all pulling for the Yanks to win.
Dave – That’s fair.
As long as the Yankees win, thats all that matters. The bullpen is going to be great regardless who is there.
This may be more impressive than Glavine getting outs throwing in the 70’s:
“Japan’s first female professional baseball player made her debut Friday, striking out one batter in the ninth inning.
Eri Yoshida, a 17-year-old who throws a sidearm knuckleball, took the mound during Kobe 9 Cruise’s 5-0 season-opening win over the Osaka Gold Villicanes in the newly formed Kansai Independent League.”
A side-arm knuckleball?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html
lol agree, SOS
The fact that we’re arguing over which middle reliever will make the team shows we’re in good shape.
Tom in NJ,
that is awesome!
Cheer up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9J5Zt2Obko
Finally, Jeter’s reax. As predicted, and as we’ve been saying here, no big deal.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb
“there’s even room for curmudgeons like you.”
boston dave-
gee, “curmudgeon ” seems a bit of an agist term.
now there seems to be an assumption in your comment that you know more or do more or are more with the times in baseball than someone my age .
you must have mentioned it before( you know how forgetful us old people are), but what exactly is it you do in baseball ?
That makes my gin and tonic taste much better, Nick.
Nick-
You remember watching Gene Krupa?
No answer required, or you’ll be hinting at your age.
Anyway, enjoyed the 2 min 11 sec of music!!
I want to keep out of the Robertson/Albie quarrel – whew. I don’t see what is so wrong with liking both – they both have had outstanding springs and the Yankees have a tough (but good) choice to make. The team likes both pitchers, but only one of them can make the team and the Yankees will have their reasons, whatever they decide.
As to Joba: Weren’t the Yankees working on Joba’s delivery because he was considered to have pretty violent mechanics (and also that he wasn’t using his lower body enough)? If so, that could explain things. Also, are those velocity readings for 2 or 4 seamers? If he’s throwing a lot of 2 seamers, that would account for his drop in velocity. Also, maybe Joba is having trouble incoroporating AJ’s advice about sacrificing velocity for movement and now he’s just sacrificing too much velocity and not getting enough movement. Joba seems like a bit of a work in progress (no surprise as he’s just a kid), but I’m sure the finished product will be worth it. As Boston Dave pointed out, CB made a very good post about AJ/Joba yesterday….
Randy -
Learned a new word today-agist.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/agist
YES has a pre and post game show scheduled for the Friday game vs. the Cubs
Tabata: Wife claimed baby was his own
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....type=story
not good.
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Dear Tabata, don’t walk-but run away as fast as you can from her!
Ha, I ‘remember’ Gene Krupa just from knowing who he was. Most celebrated jazz drummer ever, no? Anyway, my dad is a jazz fan and saw Krupa live, I think. I never got the chance to see him myself.
The worst part of that song is that it’s so short.
First female professional pitcher?
I think not!
Here’s the first.
http://tinyurl.com/56zvmp
The funniest part is, Edwar is probably going to win the final spot in the pen, sending both Albie AND Robertson to AAA to start the year.
So essentially, people were arguing for nothing.
Betsy,
I don’t think that either one’s making the team. But they’ll both be going through the NY-Scranton revolving door.
As for Joba, as long as he gives us quality starts (& wins!), I don’t care if he throws 92 or 102. We all knew that he’s not perfect. Well most of us know that.
No offense to AJ, it’s nice to seeing him try and help out Joba, but he should probably refrain from offering Joba advice about velocity and such. AJ had to sacrifice it because he was constantly getting injured. It’s not the same for every pitcher, maybe Joba doesn’t need to sacrifice velocity.
AJ is also 9 years older than him so he knows how to pace himself and such and what he can and can’t do with a certain velocity. Joba is just a baby, he can only learn that stuff as he matures as a pitcher– it is an individual process.
Joba should follow the advice of Eliand, Nardi, Cashman etc. If AJ wants to offer some advice on location or scouting reports on hitters and such, that’s fine. But he should probably leave the nuts and bolts advice to the organization themselves. Again, it was a nice gesture by him, but it is probably best left to the guys who have worked with him in the past.
Bullpens are often constructed to give the opposing team different looks, from pitchers with different deliveries and out pitches.
Rivera has the cutter
Ramirez has the slider.
Bruney-Fastball?
Robertson-curveball?
Albaladejo?
Veras-fastball?
Coke?
Marte?
What are their “out” pitches??
my observation may be ill-informed but hey –
if it looks like a curmudgeon, walks like a curmudgeon, quacks like a curmudgeon…
as for your assumption, it’s a bad one. I suggest you go back and read the posts from the thread. If you still don’t understand what my point was, well, best of luck.
Ramirez has the changeup, not slider as his out pitch. Oops!
Rivera = Cutter
Edwar = Change-up
Veras = FB/Curve
Alba – Sinker?
Robertson – Curve
Marte – Slider
Coke – Slider
“Bullpens are often constructed to give the opposing team different looks, from pitchers with different deliveries and out pitches.”
very good point YT.
It seems to make plenty of sense to have a variety if you can afford to.
Coke has a great looking slider. Struck out Utley and Victorino yesterday. Made them both look silly…
I’m looking to follow fellow lohod blog readers on twitter and follow them back http://www.twitter.com/sportsinyiddish.
“Veras = FB/Curve”
I believe Veras features a slider.
Giese has some nice breaking stuff when he locates it
Aceves has a cutter and curve right?
No idea about Tomko, does throw 92-93 though.
is Gere bringing his gerbil??????????
One things for sure, this years ‘pen won’t have to throw 543.1 innings this season-second most in the A.L.
A rested bullpen is a happy bullpen…
old news but I still think Ross Ohlendorf is going to be a decent pitcher. He wasn’t used properly, IMO, when they called him up to NY.
Still, it’s a good example of the surplus of young arms the Yanks will be able to use and/or trade in the next few years.
So the cast of Jesus Christ Superstar will be performing Take Me Out To The Ballgame tonight in the seventh inning?
That’s weird. I’m glad it’s not Y.M.C.A. That could be sacrilegious.
I was hoping Mary Magdalene could serenade the Joba velocity worriers too –
Try not to get worried, try not to turn on to
Problems that upset you, oh.
Don’t you know
Everything’s alright, yes, everything’s fine.
Isn’t Gere a big fan?
I remember last year on Billy Crystal day that Gere was hanging around in the clubhouse or something.
do they let you bring drink or food into legends field?
They trained Ohlendorf as a 1 inning reliever and used him that way in the Spring too… then they made him a long man at the ML level. That screwed him up. And they tried Albaladejo as one too briefly and he ended up being out for the year.
Exactly why Girardi will carry one this year, and not turn Albaladejo or Robertson into one. Those guys are short relievers with some nice potential.
You need one guy in the pen who can ‘take one for the team’, where you don’t need to worry about his pinch count or abusing him or anything. A guy who can eat innings in one-sided games or if the starter doesn’t have it that night.
The update with gardner/bruney was cute and nice to hear. Why do i think any developing team chemistry will grind to a hault once PayRod returns?
Nice picks for your HR pool, you really have a soft spot for Giambi Pete!
Was looking for the best current closers and their out pitches, like Rivera’s cutter, Lidge’s slider and came across this IMO biased article about the 5 best 2009 bullpens.
The only ones in my top 5 would be the Phillies and Red Sox as well as the Yankees. Don’t agree with the rest.
http://diamondcutter.wordpress.....-bullpens/
Joe Girardi has announced that Brett Gardner has won the center field job
I am a little surprised that Takashi Saito is getting so much praise.
His arm is jelly now. He’s 42 years old. Nobody really wanted him. Yet, he’s still being considered as the guy he was when he was 100% healthy.
I think the addition of Ramirez and Masterson for a full season are far more important than Saito (who I doubt will last the entire season unless they use him sparingly – which means he’s not the setup guy).
oh well, when it comes to the Sox bullpen (hopefully) the harder they come, the harder they fall.
Hey guys, I realize this is about a one in a hundred shot, but if anyone would like four grandstand tickets at face value ($22) for 4/19 vs. Cleveland (opening series), please post a comment. I’ll reply with my email address.
Not looking to make a profit – just want the tickets to be used.
will
March 27th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
do they let you bring drink or food into legends field?
……………………..
The answer is no and it’s been George Steinbrenner Field since late last year.
“if it looks like a curmudgeon, walks like a curmudgeon, quacks like a curmudgeon…”
boston dave-
i still didn’t get that part about what you get paid to do in baseball?
seriously dave, if you’re going to talk smack, back it up with something.
Matt M,
very well said.
The Yanks hand was somewhat forced with the injuries to the starters along with some ineffectiveness by others.
If the starters are healthy, hopefully they won’t need to stretch anybody for more than an inning. They do seem like they’ve learned their lesson too and are going to keep a long man.
That article is a joke
Duaner Sanchez isin’t even on the Mets anymore.
Parnell might go to AAA too.
Boston Dave-
“I am a little surprised that Takashi Saito is getting so much praise.
His arm is jelly now. He’s 42 years old. Nobody really wanted him. Yet, he’s still being considered as the guy he was when he was 100% healthy.”
I think you described his arm perfectly!
Included is this article on treatment avoiding surgery, which is really untested on pitchers.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....tis17.html
Saito is 40 years old and probably needs TJ surgery. He was cooked at the end of last year- Broxton had to become the LAD closer.
If Saito is healthy, he may give them something short term, but his shoulder is fried.
I do like their pen though— like us, they have plenty of depth.
randy,
“i still didn’t get that part about what you get paid to do in baseball?”
apparently, there are many things you “don’t get” and this time the thing that want over your head was my point.
come back when you understand what that was (Patrick did a good job of summing it up the fact at 4:56).
I realize what your MO is but I’ve moved on and am posting about other things. You can keep grasping at straws, stirring the pot, and making wild assumptions all you want… but you’re doing it on your own.
*went over your head
Stem cells are holding his elbow together.
Smoltz-bad shoulder
Penny-bad shoulder
Saito-stem-cells in elbow
Rocco-incurable mitochondrial disease
That’s a lot of chances to take…
Actually platelets are trying to mend his partially torn medial collateral ligament in his pitching elbow. As platelets have a very short half-life, I’d be interested if this really has promise.
Maybe the economy has taught some people a lesson but it seems that instant gratification isn’t as glaring as it’s been in recent years with the mindset of many Yankee fans.
apparently, if the Sox had signed Ben Sheets, some analysts would be saying he’s going to win 20 games this season.
I think the Sox have a good team but for different reasons than John Smoltz, Takashi Saito, and Rocco Baldelli.
There’s little doubt in my mind that if the Yankees had signed any of these guys the headlines would read “Yankees with another futile attempt signing aging, injured, washed up, veterans”
Tom NJ,
I forgot about Brad Penny. Another guy who will win 20 this season and always pitch like he did in the first inning of the all-star game a few years back.
Winning the two championships gave Theo and the Sox an aura of invincibility by the media. Every move he makes is automatically assumed to be right with excellent results.
Dontelle Willis could get released tomorrow and if the Sox pick him up, the media will say that it was a steal and he will pitch like he did in 2005 in Florida.
Tom in NJ-
The more I think about it, since stem cells could be used for cloning, not in my lifetime, but in the distant future, maybe the pitcher with a severe elbow injury, will come in to have his arm amputated, and a new stem cell cloned arm will be re-attached. Think of the possibilities of what appendages could be replaced by bigger and better cloning of stem cells!!!!!
Boston Dave – I agree that Saito is a huge injury risk. But he is throwing the h–l out of the ball this spring. I was very surprised. His good stuff is REALLY good, and he has his good stuff right now.
In June? Who knows?
This season, ‘aura and mystique’ will trump ‘dirt and grit’ & ‘team of #1 picks’.
Wow- thats better guests than the wide majority of the unknowns they had for all of the final season at the old stadium …
I had a picture in my mind of what a “curmudgeon” is – and so I looked it up in the dictionary. Man, it really is a polite way of saying “grouch.” Seriously, I could like a curmudgeon, but never like a grouch!
Yankswin27 -
Where did you here that bit of news about Gardner? That’s a big deal. I thought Girardi was waiting through the weekend to make his final decisions.
(And, being the Melky fan I am, I feel a little sad. But I’ll get over it, of course.)
There’s no doubt that Gardner’s speed and aggression on the basepaths is a good thing. I just don’t yet know that I trust he’s going to be on base as much as he needs to be. I hope I’m wrong.
m-
“This season, ‘aura and mystique’ will trump ‘dirt and grit’ & ‘team of #1 picks’.”
You picked Arizona to win the NCAA??
“We have another clueless wannabe scout in the house.”
boston dave-
you started off with that gem above. you can’t get your point across without calling someone clueless ?
i don’t even know what the poster’s point was , but why the attitude?
“It appears Robertson will be sent to minor league camp in short order because Girardi hasn’t let the kid pitch in a week and Albaladejo now seems to be the primary threat for Edwar’s spot.
Too bad. I like Robertson a lot. The kid is almost unhittable when he gets that curve ball over.”
I’m curious to know why you’re so high on Robertson, while in the past, you’ve been so down on Edwar.
Robertson has only 1 mph velocity faster on his fastball, has poorer control, and his only real offspeed pitch (his curve) is not even close to Edwar’s changeup. Plus Edwar has an okay slider and a much better track record. Not that I’m particularly down on Robertson, but I don’t understand why he is getting so much love where Edwar is constantly derided as a “one-trick pony”.
“Joba will pretty much never hit 99 as a starter, don’t believe the hype”
He hit 100 past his 100th pitch in a few starts. Check the game versus Beckett for instance. His topping out speed was about the same as in relief.
Umm – I mean Brett Gardner’s aggressive approach, not that he is aggressive.
HA!
Now, if only they could reanimate Ted Williams.
On a serious note, if Saito’s experimental procedure works it will revolutionize the sport.
is the game not on mlb.tv
BD I actually heard it argued on ESPN that the Penny signing may work out to be better than the Burnett signing because the two are essentially the same pitcher and will win the same amount of games. It’s just a matter of the love affair with the Red Sox spilling all over the rest of us.
They really don’t have that different of a team from the Yankees except IMO i’d take the Yankees rotation over the Sox 8 days a week. Then again I’m also of the belief that Cano is going to live up to the hype and not the minor league scouting report KLaw was talking about. (He is lazy and won’t live to the talent.)
Doreen
March 27th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
I had a picture in my mind of what a “curmudgeon” is – and so I looked it up in the dictionary. Man, it really is a polite way of saying “grouch.” Seriously, I could like a curmudgeon, but never like a grouch!
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My guess is that Randy I’s real name is Waldorf, the old guy on the left side in the balcony (Muppets).
Does that make you Statler, GB?
Tom-
“Now, if only they could reanimate Ted Williams.”
Don’t they need to locate the missing head?? LOL
“I had a picture in my mind of what a “curmudgeon” is – and so I looked it up in the dictionary”
doreen-
i too looked up “curmudgeon” in the dictionary since it was directed at me ,and then ,in response, i tried to find a word for “dumb ass” but i couldn’t find the right word
Tom in NJ
March 27th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
Does that make you Statler, GB?
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Of course. How else would I know Randy’s secret identity?
Performance enhancing stem cells?
GB-7
“My guess is that Randy I’s real name is Waldorf, the old guy on the left side in the balcony (Muppets).”
I’m still laughing with that quote!!!
Dinner time ya’ll, you curmudeons you!!
Saito had better be what the Socks think he is. Papelbon is a good candidate to flame out the way Francona uses him.
Curmudgeons not curmudeons, whatever they are?!
Brian,
re: Saito
I don’t think it was a bad signing for the Sox at all. They can afford to take these kinds of risks (and even cut their payroll this year).
It’s more that analysts (ESPN included of course) are already qualifying him as the dominant reliever he’s been in the past with little or no mention of the huge risk he carries in being effective for an entire season.
I would be hopefully optimistic were I a Sox fan as well. I guess I just expect more balance from these analysts and I need to stop doing that.
I thought Terry was pretty good about not using Papelbon for 2 inning saves? Maybe not as good as has been the case with K-Rod who never makes a 2 inning save but better than Mo who is the king of the 8th and 9th. Maybe I remember wrong.
“My guess is that Randy I’s real name is Waldorf, the old guy on the left side in the balcony (Muppets).”
oh man, if that isn’t the pot calling the kettle black.
gb7-
i didn’t want to tell you before but in an amazing coincidence, that kid that got all your baseball cards was orville’s nephew. there was reason beyond just your golf swing that orville sent you overseas.
Pete,
Thanks for the update on Melky and Brett. The only thing that remains to be seen is which one will be god.
The only old curmudgeon around here is GB7, I thought everyone knew that! randy, you aren’t quite there yet, I only see you as a grouch or a sourpuss. (Yes I am using Thesaurus.com, so what!?)
Rob NY,
I heard that as well about Penny. It’s truly amazing that these people have jobs.
I do believe these are good signing for the Red Sox (especially Smoltz because of hte kind of guy and hard worker he is) because they can afford to take them. Realistically, if only one of the three pitchers (Smoltz, Penny, Saito) work out they are ok. Many teams can’t afford to hope for a 33% success rate but the Sox can.
If they want to criticize Burnett for his injury history, fine. But I don’t understand how some people can argue against his stuff (and compare it to current day Brad Penny).
March 27th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
“My guess is that Randy I’s real name is Waldorf, the old guy on the left side in the balcony (Muppets).”
oh man, if that isn’t the pot calling the kettle black.
gb7-
i didn’t want to tell you before but in an amazing coincidence, that kid that got all your baseball cards was orville’s nephew. there was reason beyond just your golf swing that orville sent you overseas.
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That’s just cruel, Waldorf. I’ll never understand how my sister, Astoria has stay married to you for this long.
“Performance enhancing stem cells?”
exactly!
“The only old curmudgeon around here is GB7, I thought everyone knew that! randy, you aren’t quite there yet, I only see you as a grouch or a sourpuss.”
patrick _
actually i think i’m older than gb7, but with gb7 it’s not the age, it’s the mileage.
Actually – yes, randy l and gb7 are a matched set!
I laughed out loud at both your responses.
Yeah that’s the trouble I have up here when I’m having a pint and trying to explain to Patty O’sullivan (sorry if I offend any of my fellow Irish) the fact that his team can take flyers on these types of guys is just as much an “abuse of the system” as the Yanks spending on the big 3 free agents. They’re all good signings but they’re also all inherently imbalanced because the big market teams can take these kinds of risks. So calling for a hard cap in baseball means the Sox can’t horde all the injured guys and hope one of them ends up being a filet mignon for chuck steak prices. Try explaining that to a guy who’s had one too many Harpoon IPAs though, or Peter Gammons.
Doreen
March 27th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Actually – yes, randy l and gb7 are a matched set!
I laughed out loud at both your responses.
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Thanks, Doreen. The place needed a little humor. I was beginning to get a little ugly in here.
“I laughed out loud at both your responses.
So did I, they are both pretty hilarious.
I always get Statler and Waldorf mixed up.
Is Waldorf the one with the catcher’s mask on his face?
I was beginning to get a little ugly in here. Not just me, but so was this place.
Thought I would save Randy the excercise and trouble.
You can always tell when the natives are getting a little restless – or bored!
DT
March 27th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
I always get Statler and Waldorf mixed up.
Is Waldorf the one with the catcher’s mask on his face?
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Waldorf has the mustache.
But I have to admit I’m in a great mood today! Not having anything to do with the Yankees.
After trying on about 2 dozen, I finally found a dress to wear next weekend.
Waldorf must be mad or in shock when I reminded him that I was his brother-in-law. That’ll teach him a lesson. He hasn’t answered back.
“Mad”? “Or, in shock”?
Doreen
March 27th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
But I have to admit I’m in a great mood today! Not having anything to do with the Yankees.
After trying on about 2 dozen, I finally found a dress to wear next weekend.
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I’m sorry, but, no way in hell would I waste my time trying on 2 dozen dresses.
If I can’t find one in the first three, I’ll wear shorts.
“After trying on about 2 dozen, I finally found a dress to wear next weekend.”
Doreen you are getting pretty serious about this Cubs-Yanks opening game huh?
Does it clash with the Yankee cap?
Boston Dave, here’s a perfect example of what you are talking about in terms of AJ. In the transcript of Ken Davidoff’s chat, he replied to someones question about Phil, saying that Phil would be the first call up after AJ gets hurt. This is ridiculous. He hated the signing, so now he states as a matter of fact that AJ will get hurt. It’s almost like Davidoff wants AJ to get hurt so he can point out that he was right. He also liked the Sox signings, so go figure, lol – because there is no risk involved there.
DT -
No, I think it can work with the cap.
Unfortunately, the game is not on the agenda.
GB7 -
Ah, but you’ve never been a woman — I hope ????
Love the picture of Teixeira playing stickball!
Is the game on WCBS radio?
Betsy,
that’s pretty funny.
I can take solace in the fact that if guys like AJ tear it up (definitely NO pun intended
), it will be that much sweeter knowing these guys are churning inside.
is the game on Yes? or only on 880, please answer im waiting.
“Waldorf must be mad or in shock when I reminded him that I was his brother-in-law. That’ll teach him a lesson. He hasn’t answered back.
“Mad”? “Or, in shock”?”
gb7-
actually i was watching statler and waldorf for the first time :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14njUwJUg1I
pretty funny.
you got it backwards, waldorf mentions his old army uniform.
that’s got to be you.
Game is only on WCBS 880 radio.
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....-training/
yea is, but appartely i can start listeing to the game at 8 15 in upstate ny
radio only
thank you S.A. you’re the best!
Robertson has only 1 mph velocity faster on his fastball, has poorer control, and his only real offspeed pitch (his curve) is not even close to Edwar’s changeup. Plus Edwar has an okay slider and a much better track record. Not that I’m particularly down on Robertson, but I don’t understand why he is getting so much love where Edwar is constantly derided as a “one-trick pony”.
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Robertson’s fastball is only a couple of ticks higher than Edwar but it’s deceptive and sneaky fast because of his very smooth motion. To the hitters, it seems much harder than 91-93MPH.
Robertson also has an unhittable curve ball that’s every bit as filthy as Edwar’s change. He’s also a few years younger.
Edwar has a better track record?
In the majors, yes, but Robertson has pretty much dominated everywhere he’s pitched going back to his days at Alabama.
Edwar has more experience because he’s 27 years old. Robertson is almost 24.
I think you should take a good long look at Robertson’s numbers throughout the minor leagues. They are as sick as any pitcher the Yanks have had in their system the last decade.
74 G, 138.0 IP, 73 H, 19 ER, 55 BB, 190 K — 1.24 ERA, 0.93 WHIP, 12.4 K/9IP
Does this mean his minor league dominance will translate to the majors?
Maybe, maybe not. But I think there are a lot of people out there who don’t realize just how nasty Robertson’s stuff really is.
I would have liked to see him get the opportunity but his time will come soon enough.
randy l.
March 27th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
“Waldorf must be mad or in shock when I reminded him that I was his brother-in-law. That’ll teach him a lesson. He hasn’t answered back.
“Mad”? “Or, in shock”?”
gb7-
actually i was watching statler and waldorf for the first time :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14njUwJUg1I
pretty funny.
you got it backwards, waldorf mentions his old army uniform.
that’s got to be you.
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wait a minute….are you saying that I’m married to YOUR sister?
Just shoot me.
gameday anyone
I heard somewhere that Robertson struggled last season when Pudge was behind the plate because Pudge called for too many fastballs.
gameday link:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday.....b_nyamlb_1
BD, exactly. I’m going to assume that the Sox signings are going to work out (they always seem like they do) and worry about my team instead. I don’t see the point in waiting around for AJ or anyone to get injured. Most people are assuming AJ WILL get hurt (and by that, I mean a fairly significant arm injury – not a stint on the DL due to an iffy hamstring), but have they considered the alternative? That he remains healthy and is tremendous? No, which means they may be in for a nasty surprise. I’m crossing my fingers, but then I always cross my fingers for the health of everyone on this team.
thanks for gameday
Randy I, re-adjust your BIKE….
Interesting that none of the younger relievers ; Robertson Melancon…are making the team. But as usual the vets are.
I said this before: I’m not a Edwar Ramirez fan. He IMO has very little use since now the pen has two lefty’s in it. I would have chosen Robertson over Edwar.
Besty,
I wonder if these same “reporters” have spoken about how much AJ has already brought to the team in a matter of weeks. He seems to be taking Joba under his wing. I believe it was also his idea to have all the pitchers watch each other throw their bullpen sessions. He invited guys out on a boating trip…
I realize that means nothing if he gets hurt but these analysts better stop focusing only on all the potential negatives or they might not know what hit them if he pitches the way he can and should.
I hear nothing but news on WCBS.
CBS works great in nyc with the game on it, dont know why you have problems
Sabathia’s 1st inning line. 1 inning, 1 hits, 0 runs, 0 walks, 2 strike out. 22 pitches, 16 strikes and 6 balls, 1 ground out, bouncing single up the middle,
i hope Matsui stays healthy, i remember the good times when he was so clutch.
Are you listening online Ed? If so…I think it will be news and not the game
SA, yeah online.
That ball is high it is far it is………off the wall.
Ah Ha. Find a radio!
LOL Sterling. It is High! It is far..it is off the left field wall..
Jeter doubles on full count
SA, bummer…guess I will have too. lol
Damon flies to short left on first pitch
Does anyone know if there’s a possibility to watch the Yankee games on the internet during the regular season? (for money)
RBI for Tex.
1-0 Yanks
Teixeira singles to right center, Jeter scores
Why do people always ask for the gameday link everyday. Is it too hard to go to mlb.com and click on it yourself??
Teixeira’s was to left center, not right center
BD, to be fair, O’Brien, Feinsand, Caldera, Sherman (I may be missing someone) have all talked about the positives that AJ has brought to the team. I think they are pretty surprised because of his reputation in Florida and his first year or so in Toronto, but he’s got a lot of friends on the Jays and the young pitchers looked up to him – that says something. According to his sit-down with Kim Jones on the YES preview show, he intends to make more than a few Yankees victims of his pie routine. I would kill to see that – as any Yankee vet ever gotten a pie in the face? I don’t think so -this might be a first (at least since I’ve been watching). If you can, catch Yankees Magazine – the last segment is on AJ.
Hmm, lots of pitches for CC in the first inning…….but as long as he’s healthy coming out of the game, it doesn’t matter.
yankee fan-you could sign up for mlb.tv
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/subscriptions/index.jsp
Or there are various other ways to watch the games online..but it’s probably not best to discuss here.
Matsui grounds into force out to 2nd
We may be seeing less Shamwow commercials…….
http://gawker.com/5187540/sham.....bal-hooker
I still think Jeter is going to have a terrific year and shock the stupidity out of some people (meaning the media/baseball experts), lol
Posada strikes out. 1-0 NYY after one inning
Billy Mays is somewhere doing a little happy dance
S.A. i heard that there’s no way for a guy “who Lives” in NYC to watch the game other then on Yes TV
gayle,
For whatever reason, you can only find it in the spring if you “hack” it. There are no gameday links in the spring.
S.A i just checked mlb.tv and they say every “out of town game” that takes care of me living in brooklyn to watch yankee games there.
Syracuse is making a bad day a heck of a lot worse right now…
I see a comeback for Giuseppe Franco in the very near future !!!
Robertson’s curveball is not in the same LEAGUE as Edwar’s changeup. Also, due to the natural complement a changeup is to a fastball, Edwar’s fastball will appear better too.
Robertson had great minors numbers. Edwar was better. He was better than anybody, frankly. I can’t remember any relief pitcher who has pitched so well in the minors. Compare them.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com.....irez.shtml
http://www.thebaseballcube.com.....tson.shtml
Question for any obective Yankee fan watching this game.
Now this relies a little bit of thinking on your part, so don’t be too hasty to answer.
If you have a player who leads a team in ground outs, is that player better off hitting lead off or hitting in the 2nd or 3rd hole. You are to assume here the obvious, and that is that teams want their best hitters at the top of the lineup.
Given only the choice of putting that person in the one, two, or three hole, where do you put the player who grounds out the most? (This is pretty straight forward and not rocket science.)
Please don’t change the hypothetical to anything other than what I have presented and don’t add to or subtract from the fact pattern.
Sounds like Sterling is in mid-season form!
yankee fan: if you want-I can e-mail you some “helpful” sites
1-1 game
Sabathia 38 pitches 30 strikes, 8 balls
2 innings, 3 hits, 1 run (earned), 0 walks, 1 strikeout
Correction: 2 innings, 4 hits, 1 run (earned), 0 walks, 1 strikeout
Cano grounds out to short
“Why do people always ask for the gameday link everyday. Is it too hard to go to mlb.com and click on it yourself??”
gayle, while I can understand someone asking once or twice it is utterly bizarre for people to be asking every game. For some reason the link to gameday isn’t user friendly, but if I’ve seen posters on here tell others how to save a permanent link once, I’ve seen them do it every game. Again, it defies reason to me that posters ask every single game. Is it laziness? (I haven’t read all the posts so this isn’t personal at this point; it’s just that the same thing happens every single game!)
Hell I can be pretty thick and even I got it the first time!
FOR ANYONE WATCHING THE GAME ON GAMEDAY, SAVE IT AS A FAVORITE. NEXT GAME, OPEN THE FAVORITE AND HIT THE LINK ON THE TOP OF THE PAGE THAT SAYS “TODAY”. THEN JUST CLICK ON THE YANKEE GAME. VOILA!
Nady strikes out
trisha,
What are you trying to get at?
Okay, now it’s at least close…
Welcome back to the game Syracuse
Ransom strikes out
The bottom of the order is going to be a HUGE blackhole…
Robertson’s curveball is not in the same LEAGUE as Edwar’s changeup. Also, due to the natural complement a changeup is to a fastball, Edwar’s fastball will appear better too.
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Robertson’s curve ball is every bit as good as Edwar’s change. I happen to think Robertson has more upside and will last longer in this league.
You wanted a response why I felt that way and you got it. If you don’t buy my argument then don’t buy it and move on.
thank you S.A. yeah email me at abkYankees@gmail.com ty!
Sabathia 45 pitches 36 strikes, 9 balls
3 innings, 4 hits, 1 run (earned), 0 walks, 2 strikeout
strike out, popup, ground out to 3rd
Wow, tough times for Vince Shlomi.
You getting this, camera guy???
Gardner lines out to center
Jeter grounds out to short, but 1st base drops ball, Jeter safe on error
“Robertson’s curve ball is every bit as good as Edwar’s change. I happen to think Robertson has more upside and will last longer in this league.
You wanted a response why I felt that way and you got it. If you don’t buy my argument then don’t buy it and move on.”
I just wanted to correct a few things.
You claimed Robertson was as good as any relief prospect in the minors. Here’s what the two have done in the minors since joining the Yankees
Edwar
96 1/3 innings
[b]15.13 K/9[/b]
0.84 ERA
2.71 BB/9
Robertson
137 1/3 innings
12.45 K/9
1.25 ERA
3.61 BB/9
Edwar has one of the best changeups in the game. It’s essentially between him, Hamels, and Lincecum. Some pretty nice names in there. He sells it great. He commands it great. It moves like a screwball with 4 inch sink and 4 inch fade.
Robertson has a plus curveball. It does not have any real significance as one of the better curveballs in the game.
Saying that it’s as good is just not true. Robertson does not whiff as many and frequently lacks command of it.
Damon batting, wild pitch, Jeter to 2nd
“Robertson’s curve ball is every bit as good as Edwar’s change. I happen to think Robertson has more upside and will last longer in this league”
co-signed
Robertson’s curveball and Edwar’s slider is better than MO’s cutter
Damon pops out to short
yankee fan-I just sent you an e-mail.
Peter, use this pic whenever there is a rain delay/rain-out:
http://elitemrp.net/iat/examples/tarp.jpg
Matchups for the Cubs games are Lily/Wang Harden/Burnett?
Teixeira infield single to short
Matsui grounds out to pitcher
Veras and Edwar won’t last long here
The NYY will package them along with Giese, Tomko, Igawa etc. and trade them to make room for the younger relievers
For some reason the link to gameday isn’t user friendly
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Hey Sis!
Thankfully, it’s only during ST. Once the season starts the links/icons are easily found and used. I’m not sure why they make it so cryptic during ST.
Was just looking at the schedule…
looks like our guys don’t meet up until June 30th (eek! half the season done by then) at the new YS and then once each in Aug and Sept at Safeco.
truantbuick,
You’re in no position to correct anything because you asked for my opinion why i liked Robertson better and I offered it.
Now let it go and take the stick out of your ass.
Okay I realize that question was a real toughie so I’ll answer it for you. An intelligent team orders its team the following way: the best hitters are at the top of the lineup. If one of the best hitters is also the team’s top ground out hitter, the team would put that person in the place where he could do the most good and the least harm.
That would be at the very top of the order since putting him in one of the next two positions could potential kill rallies and erase base runners.
The two and three hole are best served with players who are fly out hitters as opposed to ground out hitters. Lo and behold, the Yankees have done just that with their two and three hole hitters.
Anyone who is taking it terribly personally that people are happy that Jeter has been put at the top of the lineup because of his propensity to ground out need to realize that the good of the team has to come before the good or ego of any one player. Jeter is a tremendous player but it serves him much better if the Yankees maximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses, just the way they should do it with any of their players.
So please stop with thinking that people are criticizing Jeter by celebrating his being put at the top of the lineup. He will prosper there and his ground outs will have much less sting than if he were placed in the 2 or 3 hole.
You need to think of the lineup as a revolving door so that you think of Jeter always following the bottom of the lineup (after his first AB) and thus there is less potential for damage.
It is a great move, and I think Jeter will take full advantage of it. I think it also takes pressure off him to move runners over.
Glad to see Sabathia have a decent 3rd – he’s been fine, but not overly sharp this spring.
Joe, it’s one game and although Nady isn’t Mantle, he’s a solid player. Cano is a very good hitter – and a contender for a batting title when he’s got his head on straight. Gardner and Ransom are very likely going to be black holes, esp. Ransom. I can’t see him hitting even .250……and if he hits .220 or thereabouts, the Yankees will have to make a change.
“Edwar has one of the best changeups in the game. It’s essentially between him, Hamels, and Lincecum. ”
Lincecum doesn’t have a changeup. He has the 12-6 curveball.
“m
March 27th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
trisha,
What are you trying to get at?”
mel, with which thing?
Yankees didn’t do much to take advantage of a couple of breaks there. Anyone know what Matsui is hitting in ST? I’m still iffy on him. I know a lot of fans are confident that he will have a good year, but I don’t know.
Nick in SF….Do you have any action tonight ??? I have a 50.00 4 game parlay…..Michigan St, Gonzaga, Oklahoma, & Arizona ….Arizona plus 10 may not be enough….Gonzaga plus 10.5 is my big play….
“Lincecum doesn’t have a changeup. He has the 12-6 curveball.”
His changeup has overtaken his curveball as his best offspeed pitch. Take a look at this article:
http://www.hardballtimes.com/m.....-lincecum/
Sabathia 56 pitches 44 strikes, 12 balls
4 innings, 4 hits, 1 run (earned), 0 walks, 2 strikeout
ground out to 2nd
fly out to left center
ground out to 2nd
This is what we should expect the Yankees offense to be while Alex is out. The top of the order needs to cash in on the opportunities they get because the bottom of the order is sure to kill any rally. We’re going to have to win low scoring games.
Ugh.. Alex can’t get back soon enough.
Posada walks
Matsui is hitting .212 this Spring, Betsy.
trisha,
No one is arguing with the move, that’s why I asked what you’re getting at.
And it’s not about intelligence. Jeter’s been the #2 for practically his whole career and they won alot of games, series, and a few world series. It wasn’t a problem until lately. I doubt this solves the double play problem because Jeter will still come up with guys on 1B. But it’s cool that they’re trying something new.
Now if we can just figure out how to prevent DP by Matsui & Posada.
Cano pops out to left
betsy if healthy hideki will hit and put a qulity obp, the question is wil he hit for power
X with a double
Nady doubles to left
You guys think this lineup is bad?
Molina is sure to see a lot of action early, as they won’t overdo it with Posada
So you could be looking at Nady-Ransom-Molina-Gardner in a single game. 4 automatic outs in an AL lineup, ouch. Swisher should start over X.
Hey Sis! So we’re both here at the same time for once – or at least I see that we are.
The gameday link is a neverending topic here! I see the same people telling other people how to save it and use it game by game, by there is still always someone asking for the link. But yes, at least during the season it is user friendly, if not very fast sometimes!
I was listening to an older interview with Mark Teixeira (meaning right after he signed with the Yanks) and he was talking about his favorite Stadiums to play at, and Safeco was the first he mentioned. He said he absolutely loved Safeco and the people there!
We should start working on trying to get to a game at the Stadium this summer. We can take that to email though.
Posada scores, Nady to 3rd, Ransom at 1st
2-1 Yanks
Ransom safe on error, Nady to 3rd, Posada scores 2-1 yanks
Wild pitch
Nady Scores
Isin’t it sad that Robertson had to ask to be put in the game tonight?
Poor kid, they just neglected him lol
S. A., you got the board. gotta go for a bit
“Robertson has a plus curveball. It does not have any real significance as one of the better curveballs in the game.
Saying that it’s as good is just not true. Robertson does not whiff as many and frequently lacks command of it”
who cares? When Edwar enters the game, it may be “bombs-away” at any point.
I like David Robertson’s HR’s allowed in the minors. Basically zero. And also place stock in his performances upon entering the bronx, last season
PAT M: Where the heck are you getting +10.5 on Gonzaga? I’m seeing 7.5/8 everyplace I’ve looked.
Oklahoma +1 is my biggest single play, I’m torn over whether I should hedge with ‘Cuse 2H and make a middle or just let it ride.
I also have some teasers with Orlando, the Cavs, and the Spurs with Louisville, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Gonzaga. The Zags scare me, treading very lightly with that one.
Call the police! Ransom stole 3rd!
Come back soon GB7, I’m leaving in a bit.
mel, I only get to scattergun the posts of the day and there is still a lot of question about moving Jeter. I do think it’s a matter of intelligence because it’s one of those things that appeal to one’s reason if one thinks about the logistics surrounding it. I like to think beyond the very apparent, and that’s why I looked into everyone’s ground out stats. I agree it only became a problem recently but I am pleased as punch the Yankees attempted to do something about it.
In theory, and probably practically speaking, Jeter will have fewer opportunities to GIDP with the bottom of the lineup coming in front of him (if you know what I mean) than with the top of the lineup coming after him. So the team’s weakest hitters will usually be hitting at the bottom of the lineup and thus fewer opportunities to ground someone out. With Damon and Tex being stronger with fly outs, there are better chances for them to hit someone over – or at least not ground them out.
Thanks, Al. That’s not very good, but of course Matsui missed most of last year and needs more time than most of the other players to get back to where he needs to be.
Rockks, try not to be so pessimistic. The Yankees have very good hitters – they don’t have to score 8 runs a game to win. In fact, I prefer it that way as big offenses usually bomb in the post-season. What I want to see from this team is much better situational hitting (not that they have to be perfect). If they mostly get the job done (sac fly, sac bunt, moving the runner over), they will be fine.
Edwar is way to hit or miss to trust in a big spot.
He can K any hitter, but he can also give up a HR. He is a one trick pony. When he’s on, he is unhittable. But when he’s bad, he’s really bad. You hesitate to use him in a close game.
I’d prefer to have a more stable arm like Robertson on the team who can still get just as many Ks but not prone to the long ball and is more consistent
Ransom scores. RBI for Jeets
Yanks with a 4-1 lead
mel, hold on and I will give you Po and Sui’s ground out/fly out ratio.
Also, Michael Kay actually made the statement that the leadoff hitter only leads off once so it doesn’t make any difference. duh. That’s why I pointed out that the leadoff hitter also follows others in the game and if your weaker hitters come in front of that person there are probably fewer opportunities to GIDP. Some people weren’t thinking beyond the very first AB of the game.
whatd gardner do his second time up?
jeter might be going to the right side too much and inside outing too many pitches .
pitchers obviously know he likes to hit in that direction and pitch in to him.
maybe it’s time for him to make an adjustment and start turning on more inside pitches.
Zolio, I prefer Swisher, but X is hardly a bad hitter and defintely not an automatic out.
“Matsui is hitting .212 this Spring”
a deceiving .212
Matsui will be money, in 2009
Nick in SF,,,,The NC / Gonzo game is sitting at 9 1/2 right now…I booked this earlier today….Zona is kicking my arse….I thought it would be a much closer game….Not having a spectacular March, and this is when I cash in for the year……And for those who are pontificated that demise of Derek Jeter, you’ll be eating dirt…He’s healthy annd will have an outstanding season…… .320 BA, 100 runs scored…Defense will be steady…
1-2-3 CC ya Later
Nady, for most of his career, has been a platoon player
Unless he picks up where he left off last year, right handed pitchers should have an easy time getting him out.
Walk by Gardner and a stolen base in this inning.
Teddy, I hope you’re right about Matsui putting in good at bats……
I like Robertson, but after a good start last year, he struggled. I don’t want to go overboard with him. He, just like every young pitcher, is going to have to adjust to the hitters’ adjustments to him. Also, I’m fairly concerned about his control problems – he’ll get smacked around in the big leagues if he can’t find the strike zone. As to Edward, I thought he has good #s against everyone except the Angels…..?
It’s a bit premature to say that the Yankees won’t struggle offensively. Beyond Jeter, Damon, Tex, and Posada, there are lots of question marks. Until he proves otherwise after two major surgeries, Matsui is a question mark too. And this has nothing to do with Spring Training performance.
I understand what everyone is saying regarding Jeter’s propensity for GIDP. But I do not believe that that is the primary reason he was switched. I think it was for the R-L-R-etc. that Girardi likes to have, and that he offers some protection for (probably) Gardner in the #9 spot – meaning they won’t be in such a hurry to change pitchers to face Gardner if Jeter is coming up next anyway.
The only time it makes a huge difference is starting off the game, obviously. But after that, what is the reasoning that says Jeter won’t GIDP with Gardner on base in front of him? Oftentimes last season, Damon never got a chance to steal second because Jeter GIDP’d fairly early in his at-bats. Why would this be any different with Gardner on base instead of Damon?
Also, if Gardner makes an out, and Jeter grounds out, well, that’s still 2 outs, no?
I think it is being made too much of. I think the move is fine, mainly because I do think Damon will do well as a #2. But I don’t think that beyond the 1st inning it stands to have a huge impact.
Also, Jeter has hit lead-off before. This is not entirely unchartered territory here.
So, in summary, the move is fine, I doubt it has as much to do with Jete’s ground-out stats as the R-L-R situation.
Just my take.
Nady just doesn’t have good fundamentals— swings at a lot of bad pitches, doesn’t work the count, strikes out a lot, etc.
He’s got good power though, but don’t expect him to be very consistent.
Vinny, I hope you’re right. I’m not particularly negative on Hideki, just not overly confident. That’s my pessimistic nature coming out, though.
Sweet, CC……..
well the problem with dave is throwing his curve for strikes. he does that he be fine. matsu approach looks good and looks good he be fine i believe
ZMAN – Yep. The offense without Alex has some holes in it.
People shouldn’t pretend that everything is fine and we’re going to become like the 96 Yankees without A-Rod and manufacture runs. This team is not built to do that— we are a OBP/Power team. A Zebra can’t change its stripes.
If this team knew how to manufacture runs, they would have done so in October. Replacing A-Rod with Ransom won’t make us more fundamentally sound, it makes us worse.
jeter didn’t get to be jeter without being able to make adjustments. i wouldn’t expect him to keep hitting double play balls like he did last year. i think with jeter it’s all about the health of his hands and wrists. he was pretty banged up last year.
again fellows is abour run prevention, than run production
Don — I also don’t know what to expect from A-Rod. I really believe that his fragile head and insecurities, when compounded by all the “love” he’ll receive on the road, will take its toll. This guy is dangerous . . . to himself.
ZMann, the pitching is going to have to bear the burden while Alex is out. I still like the lineup, but it’s missing a huge cog and that has a ripple effect. Again, though, they don’t have to knock the cover off the ball to win. I want to see this team get back to executing the fundamentals, particularly players like Ransom and Gardner who are weak hitters anyay. I don’t expect Tex, Po, etc…to play small ball, but Ransom and Gardner HAVE to be able to do that (specifically with regards to bunts). Sac flies from everyone in the lineup would be nice as well….last year, wow, they were putrid. It was just too bad to be believed, unfortunately.
PAT M: I don’t even know where you’re getting 9.5, I see 7.5 or 8 at wse-x, pinny, bodog… extra points are nice.
Doreen, You did rememder that Jeter led off Game 5 of the 2000 WS, with a dinger…I also think he’s going to a very good year…
“again fellows is abour run prevention, than run production”
Bingo. People shouldn’t expect this offense to light it up. We’re going to have to win low scoring games with pitching.
randy l -
I happen to agree with you. But it seems the general consensus is we should just accept the idea that Jeter is now a GIDP machine who is losing a step a year. I know he’s aging and is not the same player he was, say, 5 years ago. But I think if he can avoid being hit on the hand (and isn’t that pitcher no longer in Baltimore?) and stay generally healthy, he’ll make those necessary adjustments.
Another 1-2-3 for CC
Don, the Yankees aren’t unique. AL teams are all about slugging -well, most of them are, and certainly in the AL East. It’s not asking them to change who they are by expecting them to execute the fundamentals – moving the runner over, sac flies, etc.. Let’s not make the Yankees into a sisters-of-the-poor lineup – they still have some very good hitters who should be able to get the job done most of the time.
PAT M -
Yup!
CC retired 13 men in a row.
That CC is not too shabby.
The dreaded lines make their appearance yet again……Thanks for the update, S.A.! It seems like CC is getting stronger by the inning (and more efficient).
Baseball chat room,
Anyone notice that CC is pitching a hell of a game. Cano is getting worn out with groundballs.
ESPN reporting that Tabata says wife lied to him about being pregnant…
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4021552
Exactly.
We’re not going to turn into the Angels or Rays overnight and become a fundamentally sound team that wins with speed and defense.
If Boston lost Ortiz for a month and replaced him with Nick Green, they would struggle too. They are built the same way as us.
The good think about Jeter is he just doesn’t care what anyone says about him; he lets criticism, warranted or not, just roll off his back. The man can still hit – it’s kind of hard to do that with a nearly broken hand. I absolutely expect him to have a very good year.
I’ve said it before but I don’t get why people think Robertson is bettr than Edwar.
Edwar had MUCH better numbers than Robertson last year. MUCH better. His numbers were better across the board, I really just don’t get it.
Jeter should have been the leadoff hitter. He has MUCH better numbers than Damon does batting leadoff throughout his career. It’s quite funny that people think Jeter moving up is a demotion. Damon just isn’t as good of a hitter as Jeter and should have never been the leadoff guy. There’s a reason why one guy is a surefire HOF and the other guy, not so much.
CC Sabathia
6th inning 30 strikes 0 balls
Am I reading this correctly from gameday?
wow
So this team doesn’t know how to hit sac flys or bunt with A-Rod in the lineup? If he goes out, they will suddenly be motivated to do so?
CC is facing a lineup with only one regular in it– Brandon Phillips.
This is like AJ against the Astros lol
CC out of 18 outs, 11 GB and 3 FO, 4 SOs, Impressive.
Yanks go down 1-2-3. Onwards to the 7th
You also have to assume that Cano and Teix get off to fast starts, something they have not done in the past.
I’m with Pete on this one Doreen. At least I think this was Pete’s take. Last year Jeter was killing the Yankees with his DPs. Good lord I remember choruses of posts every time he came up with someone on first in critical situations. I don’t think it has anything to do with LRL. Frankly who cares. There are many times when we don’t have alternating batters.
Again it appeals to my reason at least that batters who have the lower averages hit down lower in the lineup. Batters with lower averages get on base less, of course. Thus there are fewer chances to GIDP with the bottom of the lineup than with the top. Of course that doesn’t mean there are NO chances. Just fewer.
About Gardner that’s a no brainer. If Jeter grounds out, the best chance of a runner on first making it to second will be someone with Gardner’s speed.
Pete showed the stats. It wasn’t just last season. Every season Jeter is hitting into more and more DPs. So you put him at the top of the lineup where you minimize that problem.
Pat M, I am certainly not one who has forecast the demise of Jeter. But I am one who has recognized that while he is still a tremendous player he is nowhere the player he used to be, either at the plate or in the field. That happens. And when it does, the very best thing an organization can do is find a way to maximize the strengths and minimize the weaknesses. Jeter leading off certainly helps with him not hitting into DP.
Let’s have this discussion at the end of the season. Then we will see what to call it. If his ratio of ground outs to fly out is still the same (or worse), well then you have to realize that something that walks talks and quacks like a duck is probably a duck. If the ratio shifts and his ground outs were nothing more than an aberration, we’ll know that too.
Personally I think this will motivate Jeter to play even better because we all know he is nothing if not competitive. (I am betting he will still major in ground outs. Time will tell.)
AZTeck, I just don’t see any excuse for any MLB team to be poor fundamentally regardless of whether they are built for small ball or not. There is no reason that Posada, say, shouldn’t be able to get the runner over from 2nd to 3rd…..or to hit a sac fly. That’s a basic part of the game. The Yankees have several high-quality hitters who should be good enough to have good approaches at the plate.
“I happen to agree with you. But it seems the general consensus is we should just accept the idea that Jeter is now a GIDP machine who is losing a step a year.”
doreen-
i love to go against general consensuses . maybe you have noticed
i think jeter was just hurt last year. i would like to see a good back up for him so he doesn’t play when he shouldn’t. going into the latter fourth of his career, he probably should sit more when he’s banged up so a small injury doesn’t turn into a chronic one.
This game seems to be progressing quite quickly.
The Yankees have excellent starting pitching this season, 1-5. (If not excellent, then very, very good.) Pitching wins games. Not having ARod is not good. BUT there is enough talent in the lineup, I think, to score enough runs, which a solid pitching staff will make stand up. They don’t have to score 6 or 7 runs a game. They just need to keep the opponent to one fewer than they score.
jeter hit into 45 dp last 2 years, last year wasn’t a fluke. he in top 4 in hitting grounders and when you hit one right at somebody and losing speed is a dp
Betsy, I am guessing Jeter is going to have a very good year also. That’s why I am saying that not everyone who is happy about moving him to the first spot is thinking he won’t have a good year. I am just happy if it helps having rallies proceed. But I think Jeter’s career is far from over!
14 in a row for CC.
I am so happy we have him on our team
randy l -
Again, we agree. There comes a time when your body just doesn’t heal as quickly as it did, nor can you fight through “discomfort” with as little negative fallout as you once did. And instead of helping the team by staying in the lineup, it’s a finer line between being a good soldier and being a hindrance.
Too bad they can’t have a “shadow team,” right?
If they go with Ramiro Pena as the utility guy while ARod’s out (instead of Berroa) they will have someone who can cover the defense. Berroa may be able to hit (maybe), but he’s not a good defensive replacement, at least based on what we’ve seen this spring.
CC retired 16 in a row. Going to the bottom of the 7th
That was game four that Jeter hit the dinger on the very first pitch ..I was at the game. The Met fans were going crazy before the game because they won the night before and were saying they were going to tak it now…Jeter hit the ballover the wall and all the Met fans in my section sat down as one while the four crazy Yankee fans including me …went crazy …it was GREAT !!!!. Yankees went on to win that came and the series the following night.
I have to thank my cousin the Met fan for taking me to that
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game …he’s a good sport ..
Go Yankees 2009 !!!!
Good God, the Yanks are winning 4-1 on great pitching, soldid defense and taking advantage of every break to score 3 runs on 1 hit that wasn’t a home run and people still complain. They are going to mash every pitcher they face. Harange is a pretty decent pitcher. They’re also in the top three in scoring runs in the Gtapefruit League and probably near the top in pitching. The errors made this year have been made mostly by minor leaguers. Please wait until something goes wrong.
Trish, fyi – I wasn’t aiming my comments at anyone in the sense that I felt I needed to defend Jeter…..and I surely know that you were not implying that he’s reached the end of his career. I still can’t believe he’s 35. It’s amazing – when he was a rookie, I felt like I was so much older than he was (even though I’m only 2 1/2 years older). The teenyboppers loved him (24 in 1996, I could never get squealy about a player younger than I was), and while I did too, I gravitated towards the more mature (and very cute) Tino. Now, at 37……..I can’t believe he’s 35.
Isn’t is strange at this point in ST for the Reds to be fielding a team made of mostly of reserves?
Geez …three typos in one post …I’m going to blame it on being tired (even tho’ I’m not…lol)
Go Yankees 2009 !!!
Geez …three typos in one post …I’m going to blame it on being tired (even tho’ I’m not…lol)
Go Yankees 2009 !!!
Gang, some interesting stats – who would have thunk it, but it’s true. Jeter has lead the team in ground outs to fly outs for the past 4 seasons. (I didn’t bother going back any further.) Actually I was looking for Sui and Jorge’s stats but had to keep going back to find a season where both Sui and Jorge played a good number of games! Anyway mel, believe it or not, Jorge has been predominately a fly-out hitter and doesn’t ground out much more than he flys out. He has had seasons where his fly outs are greater than his ground outs. Same with Sui, though he had a higher ratio than Jorge in his last really full season at the plate (which was forever ago). But in the last three seasons, his ratio has really been with more fly outs, or at least a close tie with both.
Tricia, For the most part Jeter will only leadoff once a game……When Gardner is on first, he’ll be looking at many a hit & run situation, or Gardner will have already stolen 2nd….
GB, thanks for introducing reality into the situation. I want to clarify that I am not unhappy with this team at all – I simply want them to execute (certainly better than they did last year) the fundamentals. They have some question marks, but all teams do………..and you just can’t complain when you have Jeter, Damon, Tex, Posada and Matsui (though the last two are ?) in your lineup.
Ahem, is there a game on now, even though it’s spring? This sounds like a coffee klatsch.
did the yanks just have a 3 pitch inning
OMG Sterling scared me. “AND DUNCAN DROPPED THE BALL!!!!”
Um..okay.
Strike out, but the runner’s safe on dropped throw to Dunca,. Sabathia still pitching.
trisha -
I’m also looking for Jeter to have a good year, whether in the #1 or #2 spots, no matter. Now, Girardi did not say anything about Jeter’s GO statistics, but of course he would not – that would not be a prudent thing to say/do. He said he likes the L-R-L and he likes what Damon did in the #2 spot when Posada led off.
And Jeter’s stats certainly are not pretty the last couple of years in terms of the DP, and yes, I was one of those who groaned every time he hit into one. I understand what you’re saying about the lower half of the lineup not being on base as much as the top half, and that Jeter won’t kill as many rallies, simply because there won’t be any rallies to kill. But my train of thought is such that because a lineup is not linear, but circular, overall I don’t see a huge difference being made. Maybe I’ll be quickly proven wrong. That’s okay.
I guess the bottom line is there are several good reasons for moving Jeter up and I think it will do no harm.
It will be fun to see how the season unfolds.
Here’s something else I just noticed – and this hasn’t happened for a while. Our New York Yankees are in second place in the AL in ST and 3rd in the Grapefruit League.
Wowee. That bodes well for perhaps getting off to a “quick” start.
Our starting pitching is the bomb. It is going to be our savior. #27 on its way. Take it to the bank kids.
Runner safe on strikeout and dropped throw to shelly Duncan at 1st.
Lets hope that Gardner is indeed the CF. I have this nervous feeling that Girardi might take Melky as the CF citing “experience”.
95-96 pitches for CC. He’s done for the day. Getting a standing ovation.
Marte in now for him
Doreen – I groaned too sister girl. Every time. So I am nothing if not relieved with the move! As you say, the reasons could be plentiful, but whatever they are, it certainly looks like it could be a good thing.
double play, 6-4-3. 95 pitches and sabathia is finished for the night. Marte pitching. 2 outs, nobody on.
C.C just put the A.L East on notice, granted is spring training
doreen-
i expect jeter to be still hitting at age 40. 35 is way too young for him to drop off dramatically unless he’s banged up.
playing shortstop is another question. i really wish he’d start taking some balls in the outfield to prepare for a move at some point.
Who pitches tomorrow?
randy l -
Following the “shadow team” thought – wouldn’t it be great if sometime in the not-too-distant future, the AAA team actually WAS the shadow team??
I guess that would be the perfect scenario. Every ML player having a counterpart in AAA that’s ready to move in.
Betsy
March 27th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
GB, thanks for introducing reality into the situation. I want to clarify that I am not unhappy with this team at all – I simply want them to execute (certainly better than they did last year) the fundamentals. They have some question marks, but all teams do………..and you just can’t complain when you have Jeter, Damon, Tex, Posada and Matsui (though the last two are ?) in your lineup.
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Not really concerned with the offense, though, even without Rodriguez. They won’t mash every team, but, they have a couple more guys that can run. Ransom has some power (in the minors), but, he also has the speed to steal a few bases. Defense has been pretty solid with all of the regulars.
Look I absolutely love Da Melk and see that he brings very good things to CF. I have been a huge Melky supporter from jump street. But if Gardner brings more of what we need, then so be it.
My guess is Gardner will get the job and Melk will be the fourth outfielder and spell Damon from time to time, switch off with Nady when they want a lefty or switch hitter at the plate, etc. Maybe even play a little center. Who knows. It’s just a guess. While I am in love with Melky’s arm, man alive you can’t say enough about Gardner’s speed.
Cincinnati was playing mostly scrubs. Gomes, Nix and Jones are not exactly top flight.
Sorry Syracuse fans
randy l -
I suspect that at some point that conversation will be had – privately. In fact, who’s to say it hasn’t been broached already – privately, of course?
CC already going deep into games. Gotta love this guy
“Tricia, For the most part Jeter will only leadoff once a game……When Gardner is on first, he’ll be looking at many a hit & run situation, or Gardner will have already stolen 2nd….”
Pat M, I THINK we’re saying the same thing but I’m not sure. While he’ll only lead off once a game, he will follow certain hitters after that throughout the game. Therein lies the key for me. Gardner will never be a problem because as you say he’ll already be at third if Jeter grounds out! But having the bottom of the lineup in front of him still allows for fewer opportunities for GIDP, especially if Gardner is not the one in the 9 hole for any reason. That’s not a bad thing. If Jete’s primary responsibility is getting himself on base or perhaps getting Gardner to 2nd (the guy is self propelled…) we’ll do fine.
Two good days in a row. Yankees play beautifully and Duke takes the pipe.
Life is good.
If this team knew how to be fundamentally sound, why couldn’t they execute it last year when they were struggling to score runs w/o Posada?
I think we’ll score enough runs and win with pitching while Alex is out, but let’s not act like these guys can just flip a switch and suddenly get sac flys and bunt singles.
If Melky becomes the 4th outfielder, what is Nick Swisher?
Mo time
Too bad for Syracuse.
Bo Knows -
Since they were playing scrubs, isn’t it especially good that they are winning and CC pitched well?
I never understand when people downgrade a victory or a performance based on, “well, the other guys weren’t that good.” That’s when you HAVE to win. And at the end of the day, or season, will they discount the wins that came against the weaker teams?
1 away
Some rookie pitcher I’ve never heard of pitching for the Yanks. Anybody got some info on a right hander, Marion Rivers?
well you can’t small when your down 4 runs cause of pathetic starting pitching. in fairness mely, nor cano could bunt, giamb couldn’t
2 away
Good call Randy…Until the organization has someone in the wings it’s DJ…However the transition needs to start soon, as you pointed out the time to shag flies is here….DP’s are a tough stat to put into perspective….As long as he hits .300 the dp’s are easier to accept…Now if he hits .275 then it’s an issue….
mariano rivers is a triple a guy with an below average cutter
This story is getting crazier and crazier. I just checked the news in between these NCAA games and came upon this Tabata article. I apologize if it has been linked before.
I feel bad for the guy. Its really a sad sad situation. She may have conned him into marriage by lying about a baby that wasn’t his OR hers. Really really sad.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/11557699
Have a good night all.
3 outs
5 pitch inning for Mo
Yankees win
Joe should ask for another hitter or 2. 5 pitches. Insane!!
‘Sorry Syracuse fans’
Sorry ? They never had a chance. Flynn has carried them all season but they ran into the wrong team.
Melky is hardly the 4th outfielder. Swisher is way better than Melky in every regard, except maybe throwing arm.
At this point, they might as well put Melky on waivers and try to outright him to AAA. It’s win-win. If he’s claimed, then an overpaid, 6th outfielder is gone. If he’s not, then they succeeded in keeping him while filling his roster spot with someone far more useful, perhaps someone who can pinch hit a bit.
Everyone has a love affair with Melky. Maybe because his name is cool, I don’t know. The facts are the facts though. He was comparable to Andruw Jones at the plate last year from May on, when he hit about .200 with 10 RBI over nearly 300+ AB’s. His defense is decent, but far inferior to Brett Gardner’s. He looks good because he takes horrible routes the ball, and makes up for it with diving catches.
The Melky honeymoon is over. He has no baseball sense, he tries to slide feet first into first base! He has enough talent to develop to be maybe a .280/10 HR guy if he reaches his potential, but he won’t, because he is too immature and has no instincts. We can make an exception for Cano because of his incredible talent, but having Melky on the team is like a black hole where rallies go to die. Gardner brings far more to the table than he ever will, and having 5 outfielders, 6 if you include Matsui, on the roster is a complete waste of a roster spot. You don’t need 2 backup outfielders at the expense of every other aspect of a bench.
While A-Rod is out, Melky eats up a roster spot that could be put to far better use, and let’s face it, Melky is just not that good. He survived by hitting 9th in an incredible Yankees lineup, and when he doesn’t have 2 outstanding hitters sandwiching him, he is exposed, very badly.
Mo is just stupid good.
Poor Robertson, he begged to get into the game tonight but CC had other plans lol
Tomorrow is the long man day. 3 innings a piece for Tomko, Giese, Aceves.
Hey Pete can we get some audio from interviews today?
Rivera will never be ready for the season if he doesn’t stop throwing only 5 pitches an inning
It’s called putting the performance in context. As stated before CC is throwing free and easy, good show when the games start to count.
those scrubs are just wasteing mo’s time. lol
Blake Griffin is a monster
He’s going to look great next to Kevin Martin in Sac-Town or with Arenas, Caron, Jamison in DC
“If Melky becomes the 4th outfielder, what is Nick Swisher?”
Hmmmmm. I thought I may have been forgetting someone. Understudy to first base?
Good question.
I obviously have no clue about how this will all play out. Girardi has some choices to make. Maybe Melky ends up down in the minors? Maybe Gardner does? Does Swisher have a good arm? And then how about Angel Berroa? I’d sure like to see him come off the bench.
Geeze Louise. Lots of decisions to be made. Really happy I’m not the one having to make them.
“If Melky becomes the 4th outfielder, what is Nick Swisher?”
Hmmmmm. I thought I may have been forgetting someone. Understudy to first base?
Good question.
I obviously have no clue about how this will all play out. Girardi has some choices to make. Maybe Melky ends up down in the minors? Maybe Gardner does? Does Swisher have a good arm? And then how about Angel Berroa? I’d sure like to see him come off the bench.
Geeze Louise. Lots of decisions to be made. Really happy I’m not the one having to make them.
I was just looking up GIDP career leaders and the Ted Simmons is high up there.
There’s player who gets little love from the HoF crowd-248 career HR as a catcher. Damn good ball player..
Wow Miggs. What a sad sad story. Poor Tabata.
“She completely falsified her pregnancy and the eventual birth of a baby girl, which would have made me a father for the first time,” said Tabata, who read a prepared statement in Spanish but did not answer questions from the media before an afternoon workout. “Imagine how that made me feel.”
Marte needs to get some innings. He’s pitched 4 innings this Spring, 6 if you count the WBC.
“He has no baseball sense, he tries to slide feet first into first base!”
True. They need to force him to stop that.
I don’t see a fit for Melky if Gardner is the guy in CF. I believe they will trade him as soon as they can find a buyer willing to give up anything (obviously no top prospects but maybe a decent low level player to be named later).
I do like Melky, he’s only 24, but if he is the odd man out… what can ya do?
Tom in NJ
March 27th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
I was just looking up GIDP career leaders and the Ted Simmons is high up there.
There’s player who gets little love from the HoF crowd-248 career HR as a catcher. Damn good ball player..
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Yeah, but, he got caught up in the Bench, Munson, Fisk, Carter era, went to Milwaukee and spent a lot of time as DH. Good hitter, though, better than average defense.
Dusty Baker tried to stroke CC’s ego LOL
He only sent one regular position player to Tampa.
Sending one regular at this time of year isn’t stroking, it’s basically an insult, especially to the fans. The unwritten rule is at least three regulars. No class by Dusty Baker.
P.S. GO GONZAGA!!!
Just because it always seems like a team that shouldn’t be there but always is!
Always good when Bo Knows arrives….
doesn’t gardner have to do something in the regular season for an extended period before melky is jettisoned?
the red sox kept coco crisp around while ellsbury got some experience. that seems a better way to go .
and gardner may totally bomb. he’s not exactly a can’t miss prospect.
Hey Pat
No really, I feel sorry for those fans. Instead of watching some good plays by both teams, they got to watch BP by CC. I’d be torqued no end. Cincy has some very nice young players that I’d like to see. Jacques Jones batting 093 in spring training. Hey what a challenge.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/standings/spring
GB7 mentioned runs scored and runs allowed by the Yankees. Top 3 in both categories in the Grapefruit League. Jeez, the Cactus League really is a hitter’s league.
Arizona, anything less than a touchdown is good pitching.
With the Yanks possibly losing three OF’s next season, I think they have to tink hard about not keeping Melky around…
m
March 27th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/standings/spring
GB7 mentioned runs scored and runs allowed by the Yankees. Top 3 in both categories in the Grapefruit League. Jeez, the Cactus League really is a hitter’s league.
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Thin, dry air and the wind is always blowing out. Last night’s game between San Francisco and the Cubs was called after 6 innings because of wind.
can someone please tell me CC’s line?
Melky is out of options. If he is the odd man out, they need to try to trade him. If they could pass him through waivers, that’s an entirely different story.
I don’t think they should keep him on the roster along with Gardner and Nady/Swisher for a very long time. It’s not the end of the world if they do but when ARod gets back they’d probably have to make a move.
Calm Down
March 27th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
can someone please tell me CC’s line?
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