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Eight men out

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Mar 28, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees reassigned the following players to minor-league camp after the game:

OF Todd Linden
1B-OF Shelley Duncan
OF John Rodriguez
INF Doug Bernier
INF Justin Leone
C P.J. Pilittere
C Chris Stewart
RHP Dave Robertson

That leaves the Yankees with 31 players in camp. That includes A-Rod, who will be placed on the 15-day DL. So five players remain to be cut.

In other news, Joe Girardi threw a change-up after the game, saying it was “possible” they could start the season without a long reliever. That means Jon Albaladejo could make the squad instead of Alfredo Aceves, Dan Giese or Brett Tomko.

That is what happened last season and don’t bet against it this time around.

UPDATE, 5:01 p.m.: Counting the game against Team USA, here is what Dave Robertson did this spring:

8 games, 8 innings, 2 hits, 1 earned run, 2 walks, 12 strikeouts.

“He threw the ball OK,” Girardi said. “It’s important he go down and get some work. Robbie’s performed at this level pretty well at times and he performed for us at spring training pretty well at times. He’s a man who has, I think, a good future. He needs to continue a little to mature a little but as pitcher. I told him there’s a chance we’ll see him this year.”

Edwar Ramirez: 7 games, 7 innings, 5 hits, 1 earned run, 1 walk, 10 strikeouts.

All things are not equal in this matter as Ramirez has far more experience in the majors than Robertson. But I think the Yankees overlook Robertson sometimes. We’ll see what happens during the season.

 
 

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109 Responses to “Eight men out”

  1. yankswin27 March 28th, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    I’m good with that move.

    Albaladejo >>>>>>>> Tomko

  2. DT March 28th, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    “In other news, Joe Girardi threw a change-up after the game”

    Was it a Bugs Bunny change-up like Ramirez has?

  3. jdjr. March 28th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    will shelly duncan EVER stay in bigs with anyone?

  4. vinny-b (Girardi, Pettitte, Mo, Matsui, Gardner = my top 5) March 28th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    “Randy, agreed that bunting should have always been part of Brett’s repertoire. That said, it seems like the kind of thing that you can get better at with enough work. There are things you can’t improve (like speed or your arm), but bunting? Practice, practice and more practice makes perfect. I’d like to believe that working hard pays off eventually”

    agree 100%

    hopefully one of the coaches is in Gardner’s ear, pushing him to do the same thing (ie practice bunting for a base hit). That is what coaches get paid for

  5. m March 28th, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    Well, if we don’t keep Tomko, he’ll probably join Penny, Smoltz, and Saito up north. :)

    I’m good with Albadalejo, but I’d rather trash someone else’s arm in long relief.

    repost:

    Nick,

    You’re twisting my words!

    I love Matsui. But can you see the Yankees bringing him back? He’s missed two years of playing time and he’s primarily a DH.

    And yes, I think Melky is more valuable to the Yankees than the middling pitching he could bring back.

    I’m not in the “Melky is rubbish” camp. When his head is in the game and he’s hitting, he’s a valuable player. He’s young, has a good arm, and can (theoretically) switch hit.

  6. Betsy March 28th, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    Hmm, I’m not sure I like that. Alba is not a long man type – the Yankees pushed him last year, trying to get him to go 3 or 4 innings, and it didn’t work. He’s more like a 1/2 inning guy. If the SP struggles (which is very possible – you never know who is going to get off to a slow start), we’re going to need someone who can come in and eat innings (I don’t want to waste Coke or Alba in that role).

  7. Cal March 28th, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    I’ve been saying all along that Albaladejo should be here instead of Tomko, Tomko has had a very good spring and has found himself a job somewhere, even if not here by coming to camp and pitching very well.

    My fear is he will turn out to be of the elk of Billy Traber and guys like that who come to camp for a spot, but when the season starts they bomb when exposed to real hitters over an extended period of time.

    I would much rather see Albaladejo on the roster than Tomko, but if they have to have a “long reliever” it should be Tomko with Aceves in the minors and Giese sent packing.

  8. Betsy March 28th, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    I read elsewhere that Cano didn’t make an effort at a pop up – did anyone see that, and if so, how bad was it? I think Cano will have a big year hitting wise, but if the Yankees need to worry about his head being in the clouds defense-wise, that could be an issue. He’s so darn unreliable on the field.

  9. vinny-b (Girardi, Pettitte, Mo, Matsui, Gardner = my top 5) March 28th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    “will shelly duncan EVER stay in bigs with anyone”

    I like Shelley. And would like to see him in St Louis with his brother.

    I expect he/they would be characters. Not unlike some of the Cardinals players in the 1920′s/1930′s

  10. yankswin27 March 28th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    Shelley Duncan is an AAAA player, sad to say it but it’s true. If he never makes it back with the Yankees, I hope that he signs on with the Cardinals, where both his brother (LF Chris Duncan) and father (pitching coach Dave Duncan) are at. That’d be pretty cool.

  11. Sevrx March 28th, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    Alby is a right move… he should be able to pitch 3-4 innings if needed. Coke is too good to waste in that role, but Albie is fine in it.

    He can also probably perform better than Tomko in that role. Eat innings in blowout games

  12. Doreen March 28th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Repost:

    Randy l –

    It used to be a lauded skill in the major leagues – being able to bunt for a base hit, being able to drag bunt. I suppose it went out of favor about the time HR replays on ESPN became all the rage, and fans became totally engrossed in the HR race between Sosa and McGwire (maybe even before that?). I always thought speed was exciting, watching games growing up.

    I watched Lou Brock, and later Vince Coleman absolutely murder teams with their speed. I know Ricky did it, and there were a few others. They were as exciting to watch as Alex and Pujols and others are to watch hitting their HRs. I don’t know why both can’t co-exist. In fact, both skills co-existed, apparently, in Mantle (I never saw him play).

    Do you think we’ll ever go back to a pitcher’s matchup being as much a reason to see a game as the possibility that some slugger’s going to hit a HR?

    I’m sure people do still appreciate pitcher’s duels, but they sure don’t get the press they used to.

    Still, it’s a shame.

  13. Sevrx March 28th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Gardner at .260 can help us more than Melky at .290

    He has to learn how to properly bunt though, it will ad so much to his game.

  14. yankswin27 March 28th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Alby can pitch multiple innings, not the ideal long man, but he’s shown that he can do it. And it’s the right move by Girardi, would he seriously take Tomko over Albaladejo? That’d be dumb.

    Rivera, Marte, Bruney, Veras, Ramirez, Coke, Albaladejo

    Very good, young bullpen we have there.

  15. Cal March 28th, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    “I read elsewhere that Cano didn’t make an effort at a pop up – did anyone see that, and if so, how bad was it? I think Cano will have a big year hitting wise, but if the Yankees need to worry about his head being in the clouds defense-wise, that could be an issue. He’s so darn unreliable on the field.”

    He made a nice defensive play early on diving to his left to snag a ball in the hole. There was also a play where the wind took a ball and dropped it in between Nady and Cabrera in very shallow right center, seems like Melky was running forever to get to it. I assumed Cano could have gone back on it, because Derek usually goes back on those plays, but Cano was nowehere in the camera shot.

  16. Jeter in LF March 28th, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    I still think Robertson and Melancon are better than Albaladejo and Veras.

  17. J March 28th, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    I think Albert Pujols would be a pretty large obstacle to Shelly in StL. Even as a bench player, he’d be backing up Pujols.

  18. 86w183 March 28th, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    I’ve been shouted down here for sugesting a designated “long man” was not needed, but I’m right. What’s more important is that you have two or three guys in the pen who can pitch two innings. Veras and Coke certainly can. Bruney did today.

    They should take the best pitcher period and my guess is that’s Albaladejo. Aceves and Giese can join the Scranton rotation and Tomko will catch on elsewhere if that’s what happens.

    Still, If Tomko goes three strong innings he may earn the job anyway. I do wonder about his resilliency though.

  19. Nick in SF March 28th, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    m: I am not trying to twist your words, but I also don’t feel like I have a firm grasp on the 2010 roster. Whether the Yanks *would* bring Matsui back would be contingent on lots of factors, as you surely know.

    As far as Melky’s value in 2010, that is also contingent on several factors, as you also surely know.

    Finally, I am not aware of the rule that Melky can only be traded in a heads-up deal for a pitcher. (insert winky emoticon here!)

  20. yankswin27 March 28th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    Here’s how I hope the team looks going into Opening Day:

    Jeter SS
    Damon LF
    Teixeira 1B
    Matsui DH
    Posada C
    Cano 2B
    Nady RF
    Ransom 3B
    Gardner CF

    Swisher OF/1B
    Molina C
    Cabrera OF
    Pena over Berroa INF

    Sabathia LHP
    Wang RHP
    Burnett RHP
    Pettitte LHP
    Chamberlain RHP

    Rivera CP
    Marte SU
    Bruney SU
    Veras MRP
    Ramirez MRP
    Coke MRP
    Albaladejo LRP

  21. 86w183 March 28th, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    I look forward to seeing how they use Melancon and Robertson in Scranton.. alternate closers? One of them will be the first called if one of the other relievers fails.

    Yanks will have more young, quality arms in Triple-A than at any time I can remember….. and I’m 50!

  22. Cal March 28th, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    I will be watching Melancon and Robertson all season to see how they do, I’m excited to see what these guys have.

  23. PAT M. March 28th, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    Doreen, Dropping bunts to 3rd, 1st, and towards the mound was mandatory before every bp session….In A ball it was drilled into you and to a lesser degree at the AA level…Mickey Rivers became a .300 hitter by beaing able to bunt, then he’d steal 40 bases…..There’s as much blame on Gardner as there is to the Yankee organization….

  24. Betsy March 28th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    Doreen, I think pitchers duels are much more exciting than high-scoring games. The tension is almost excruciating in the former because you know that allowing even one run to score may cost you the ballgame. It’s sort of like watching a high-wire act….

    Cal, thanks. Yeah, lol – Pete said in the prior thread that Melky seemed to start running from behind the OF fence, he took so long to get there.

  25. Tex's New Best Friend March 28th, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    Uh oh Pete. Melky’s average has just about caught up to Gardner’s. Now what?!? They both make the team and continue fighting for the starting role. It will make them both better.

  26. Dazz March 28th, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    Albie and Coke could eat 6 innings between them if you need them to.

    And you still have Edwar, Veras, Marte, Bruney all avaiable to pitch the late innings the next couple of days to give them a breather.

    Not worth having a terrible arm like Tomko there based on the rare chance that a guy goes out after 2 innings/

  27. Doreen March 28th, 2009 at 5:01 pm

    PAT M -

    The reason I don’t “blame” the Yankee organization is because it’s few and far between the teams that do still value the bunt and speed, and I guess bunting has been left to the pitchers in the NL, strictly for the purpose of sacrificing.

    You would think a guy like Gardner, whose speed is such an asset, and who had to, as he has said himself, fight his way onto every team he’s been on, would have learned how to bunt. Could it be that he’s young enough to have not had role models – major league players that he watched growing up who bunted? I don’t think it’s a ridiculous premise. We want to be and do what we are exposed to growing up, generally speaking.

    It’s a basic skill. Even if you end up being a slugger who doesn’t need to bunt, what a weapon to have in your arsenal against a tough pitcher on the rare occasion!

  28. Teixeiramvp March 28th, 2009 at 5:01 pm

    Hey, whatever works. I know they id that last yr., and we had a pretty good bullpen.

  29. gayle March 28th, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    Didnt we play this same song last year and each time we had to use a reliever in a long man role everyone including the writers complained that it was wrong and not fair to said reliever to have him in a role that he was not used to.

    Why make the same mistake again.

  30. Doreen March 28th, 2009 at 5:04 pm

    Betsy –

    I agree (re: pitchers duels). I think most hard-core baseball fans prefer them, or at least appreciate them, although I don’t think my nerves could take them on a daily basis. It’s nice to have an offensive break-out every so often! :)

    I may be wrong, it’s just I seem to remember more of a big deal being made out of those matchups than there are now. Not that it’s not mentioned at all, I mean, Beckett v. Sabathia will be hugely anticipated. Maybe there just aren’t as many really great pitchers….

  31. Teixeiramvp March 28th, 2009 at 5:04 pm

    Doreen-I agree, you hve to learn to bunt. In ’04, they should have attacked Schilling, who had a problem with his ankle, with bunts. Think about it. It makes sense. The reason they probably didn’t do it is because not enough people knew how to bunt. Well, they paid for it.

  32. Teixeiramvp March 28th, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    Doreen-I prefer shootouts. Pitchers duels are fun, but I like shootouts more. It’s more exciting to see a lineup run on all cylinders!

  33. Bob Mac March 28th, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    I watched the game today on the Braves feed. Tomko does not have a terrible arm. I was surprised to see him regularly throwing 93. He was pretty impressive, I thought. I frankly expected 88. It doesn’t seem to be an overly fast gun becasue he threw harder than anyone else I saw.

  34. Teixeiramvp March 28th, 2009 at 5:07 pm

    Tex’s New Best Friend-Gardner still has one more home run.

  35. Trevor March 28th, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    I don’t think Melancon was really given much of a chance to win a spot.

  36. bobshantz March 28th, 2009 at 5:10 pm

    Mantle probably would have hit .400 if he had bunted more, but that wasn’t what he was about. As Satchel Paige once said to him: “I’d have given you first base.”

  37. Teixeiramvp March 28th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    Trevor-They’re probably going to bring Melancon up sometime in the middle of the yr., maybe as early as mid April.

  38. Teixeiramvp March 28th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    bobshantz-Babe Ruth always said he could hit 600 if he had tried for singles.

  39. Betsy March 28th, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    Doreen, right – I couldn’t handle 1-0 games all the time. Most of the time, I’ll be perfectly happy if the Yankees are on the happy end of a 10-2 score. Remember the Wang/CC game from last year? That was terrific. I kind of think it might be interesting to see Beckett and AJ……

  40. Teixeiramvp March 28th, 2009 at 5:14 pm

    Betsy-I’d love to see A.J. and Halladay go at it!

  41. Giuseppe Franco March 28th, 2009 at 5:14 pm

    Coke is more valuable than a guy who can throw 3.0 IP.

    He’s a big cog in that pen now and may have even leaped over Marte on the left-handed totem pole.

    I’d rather see Coke pitching the 7th and 8th innings instead of eating innings in the 5th and 6th.

    That’s what guys like Albaladejo and Ramirez are for.

  42. Teixeiramvp March 28th, 2009 at 5:16 pm

    Guiseppe Franco-2 things: I agree with you on Coke, and until Melancon’s ready he’ll be the set-up man.
    And I may be the only person who remembers that hair care product commercial you got your name from.

  43. Betsy March 28th, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    Teix, Halladay and Burnett will be a lot of fun -you’re right.

  44. Al from BK March 28th, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    Ah man I was pulling for Dave Robertson :) Hes got electric stuff and IMO > Albaladejo.

  45. Giuseppe Franco March 28th, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    Just for argument’s sake (why else?), why should Melky be penalized for starting off slow, building up and finish up spring training strong? Especially if Gardner is doing the relative opposite (his BA has fallen from the .400’s into the more realistic .300’s)?

    ————–

    One thing you can’t overlook is consistency. Gardner has been excellent from the get-go, since the very first game, and has hit .350 BA+ / .430 OBP+ the entire Spring.

    On the other hand, Melky was hitting just .250 a week ago.

    Also, Gardner did play very well and go 3 for 3 against Team USA and those stats don’t count in the official AT stats.

    There’s no question that Gardner has clearly outplayed Melky all Spring. It really hasn’t been close.

  46. Al from BK March 28th, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    * :( Wrong Emoticon.

  47. Frontier March 28th, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    Franco – Agree. Coke is a late innings reliever, not a middle guy.

  48. Teixeiramvp March 28th, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    Gardner’s got to start. He’s outplayed Melky in every facet of the game. I think all Melky is doing right now is making himself more attractive trade bait.

  49. randy l. March 28th, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    “I don’t know why both can’t co-exist. In fact, both skills co-existed, apparently, in Mantle (I never saw him play).”

    doreen-

    mantle, as gb7 and pat m i’m sure will agree with , was the personification of speed and power. he would hit monstrous home runs and then drag a bunt single his next at bat.
    bunting well doesn’t really even need great speed. when i was growing up as a lefty hitter i rarely saw a good left handed pitcher at the high school and legion level so i didn’t hit them well when i did see them.

    whenever i would face a tough lefty with a good breaking ball, i would drag bunt one at bat , try to walk once and take my chances in the other two at bats. i pretty much batted .500 on surprise drag bunts so it was a strategy that worked well.

    it is easier to drag bunt on a lefty pitcher than a righty. with the first baseman being back with gardener being a lefty hitter and with a left handed pitcher falling towards third base ,there is a lot of territory for a hitter like gardener to drag a bunt down the first base line.

    it would be a way to add a hit here and there especially against tough lefties that gardener might have trouble hitting. the question is whether he’ll put in the time to do it.
    we’re talking hundreds of hours and not a few bunts a day in spring training.

  50. Christina March 28th, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    poor Shelley :(

  51. PJH® March 28th, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    I dont understand the love for Albaladejo. The guys a pretty good fastball but thats just about it. He is not a quality reliever. We have plenty of guys who can do a better job than him. He was not that good last year.

  52. Frontier March 28th, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    Al,

    They probably don’t want to waste Robertson as a long man, he is much better than that.

  53. PAT M. March 28th, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    Doreen, I agree with you to an extent….Certain oraganizations ( Angels, Twins, A’s, Dodgers ) still are very pro-fundamentals in their approach to the game….The Torre teams of the 90′s were always very sound in the key elements to the game…..Get them on, get them over, and get them in…..Remember the Yanks were beaten in game 7 of the 01 World Series to Arizona by that school of thought…Granted, Mo & Scotty B. failed to execute defensively, but was the Diamondbacks approch in the 9th inning….I wish CB was here so he could tell us what was the Yanks % of efficiently last season in executing sac bunts…The 3 run homer became the gameplan when Giambi arrived & they never looked back…

  54. PJH® March 28th, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    Another funny topic on here is Shelley Duncan. The guy is a AAAA player. Nothing more, nothing less. He is a spring training player. Made last years team and stunk. People on here read into spring training too much.

  55. Giuseppe Franco March 28th, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    Guiseppe Franco-2 things: I agree with you on Coke, and until Melancon’s ready he’ll be the set-up man.

    ————

    We won’t see Melancon for at least a couple of months unless they suffer a rash of injuries in the pen.

    Melancon’s biggest obstacle is getting on the 40-man roster.

  56. dennis March 28th, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    PJ – If the Yankees thought that Alba was ‘good’, they wouldn’t waste him as a long man. They think he is better than Tomko, that’s about it.

    long man is a position filled by an expendable arm.

  57. Teixeiramvp March 28th, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    Franco-You’re probably right about Melancon, but I wish he’d come up now. Still, if Coke can get it done in the meantime, by all means let him!

  58. dennis March 28th, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    Our pen was one of the best in the majors last year… why wouldn’t Girardi give the incumbents a chance to retain their jobs?

    I’m not an Edwar fan at all, but he has had a great spring and did do well in non-Angels games last year. If he bombs, there will be plenty of chances for the other relievers to take his job.

  59. Frankie speaking . . . March 28th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    It’s a good feeling to know that there’s depth at AAA to be called upon when needed with the exception of the outfield. A-Jax should not be rushed under any circumstance.

  60. Betsy March 28th, 2009 at 5:45 pm

    Girardi doesn’t exactly sound thrilled with Robertson, lol

  61. Teixeiramvp March 28th, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    Betsy-Which is weird, since he di pretty decent last yr.

  62. Teixeiramvp March 28th, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    Sorry, did, not di.

  63. Joey's Poodle March 28th, 2009 at 5:48 pm

    Edwar is 28 years old. He’s not a kid, though he may look and act like one. Once you give up the notion that somehow he’s full of youthful potential, and accept that he pretty much is what he is, is what he is really enough for the big club?

  64. m March 28th, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    Wow. Could Girardi sound any less enthused. I’m not a huge Robertson fan, but Girardi usually goes out of his way to prop up a player. lol.

  65. jeterboy March 28th, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    What a freaking Shame.. He’s has nothing to prove in AAA.. he should of made this team.

  66. Betsy March 28th, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    I don’t have any problems with Edwar…….and Robertson is still unproven. Maybe this says that, despite the #s, Robertson didn’t pitch as well as we thought. Obviously the Yankees saw some things they didn’t love…..

  67. Teixeiramvp March 28th, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    Joey’s Poodle-28′s pretty young. And he hasn’t seen much big league team, right? Who knows, I’m willing to give him a shot (and ditch him if he does bad!).

  68. Betsy March 28th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    I know, M – boy, I hope Joe was a bit more positive with Robertson than what he sounds like. There’s a CHANCE he could see some time with the Yankees this year? There should be a very good chance of that……Joe kind of lumped Robertson in with Jackson. We all know that if AJ makes it to NY, it won’t be until September. That is a brutal quote by Joe.

  69. Cal March 28th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    “It’s a good feeling to know that there’s depth at AAA to be called upon when needed with the exception of the outfield. A-Jax should not be rushed under any circumstance.”

    That is the good thing, even if guys like Robertson, Melancon, Albaladejo, Aceves aren’t up now they will get there shot over the course of the season and I would much rather guys like Melancon and Robertson continue to develop in AAA and be ready for a call up when need be.

  70. Neil March 28th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    Still on the bubble :

    Aceves *
    Tomko
    Giese *
    Albaladejo *
    Veras *
    Cash
    Berroa
    Pena

    * on 40 man roster

  71. Giuseppe Franco March 28th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    Gotta wonder what Robertson did to piss off Girardi because he couldn’t have had a better Spring statistically.

    Perhaps that explains why Robertson hasn’t gotten into a game in over a week.

  72. Cal March 28th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    I think the Yankees always envisioned Robertson and Melancon working their way up to the majors from Scranton, I mean they couldn’t wait for Melancon to have that one rought start, the only one and he was assigned to minor league camp.

    Robertson barely featured and I can’t tell the last time I saw him pitch, it was like the Yankees were scared to have him pitch and be good and then have to do something about Edwar/Veras/Robertson.

    Both Melancon and Robertson will get their turn at some point this season, if they are the real deal it won’t be an issue for long.

  73. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    It didn’t have anything to do with who “they love” or don’t love. It’s strictly a numbers game. They have a problem that 2/3rd of the teams with they had….bullpen answers. He’s taking the guys that did a job for him last year and are continuing to do it. Only Bruney and Giese haven’t had a good spring. By next week or then end of April, they’ll be swamped with calls. The only one they stand to lose is Tomko or Giese, if Tomko accepts a minor league deal. Off of this spring, he’ll get plenty of calls.

  74. Giuseppe Franco March 28th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    Veras isn’t on the bubble. He’s a lock to make the team.

  75. E-gawa March 28th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    What’s the purpose of carrying both Gardner and Melky when we have a kagillion OF’s on this team?

  76. Joey's Poodle March 28th, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    In recent times pitchers who turn to gold after reaching age 28 a not common.

    Given the choice I’d move Edwar and use the roster space either for someone who is more proven or someone who is younger with lots of developmental potential.

    Regarding Albaladejo, he was injured last year after Girardi put him in for more innings than he had pitched in a couple of years. Unless he’s trained upwards since in the innings-pitched department, to expect him to do long-man duty on demand seems unrealistic. Either we need a long man or we don’t. We don’t need to throw somebody into that role who’s already shown he’ll break down quickly under an unaccustomed innings load. I say that as someone who likes Albaladejo and would like to see him succeed rather than be abused and tossed on the junk pile.

  77. E-gawa March 28th, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    If Gardner gets the job.. Melky should go. I’d be nauseous having that guy on the bench. Other than playing hard in the field, he’s not that good.

  78. Cal March 28th, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    “It didn’t have anything to do with who “they love” or don’t love. It’s strictly a numbers game. They have a problem that 2/3rd of the teams with they had….bullpen answers. He’s taking the guys that did a job for him last year and are continuing to do it.”

    Exactly GreenBeret, I think that is what it came down to, and if Bruney shows that he can’t do the job when the season starts and Melancon/Robertson are doing well in Scranton, Bruney could be wondering what exactly happened when he is shown the door. That is a long way off but baseball is a funny sport. If one guy can’t get it done, there is always someone hungry and willing to take your lunch.

    It’s put up or shut up time, especially when Bruney has been talking himself up all Spring.

  79. Joe from Long Island (now from Tampa) March 28th, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    I think it’s hard to tell what the Cash and Joe have in mind for Robertson. He definitely has performed well. In Scranton he will definitely get his innings in. Does this mean they don’t like his stuff? Or does bringing Veras and maybe Albie north to pitch major league innings mean they are showcasing them for a trade?

    They definitely have a lot of arms. They can’t all pitch in NY. There’s a trade to be made somewhere, at some time during the season.

  80. Teixeiramvp March 28th, 2009 at 6:05 pm

    J-Poodle-Regarding pitchers who don’t reach their prime at 28, do you have any stats? (This is not sarcasm).

  81. Cal March 28th, 2009 at 6:08 pm

    “What’s the purpose of carrying both Gardner and Melky when we have a kagillion OF’s on this team?”

    It would only be a kagilion if Matsui was going to be playing the field but that isn’t happening since the Yanks want him hitting primarily.

    Johnny Damon isn’t a spring chicken, Nady can be a very streaky hitter and do we really know what Gardner is all about. I mean lets see him for a month into the season. Once again Swisher is not going to be playing CF under any cirumstance, just another reason to keep Melky, Swisher will be on the corners.

    Joe also said he would like to keep guys fresh. Its up to him to figure out the optimum roles, get at bats and make late game moves to create success, if he can’t do it then he isn’t the right man for the job.

  82. Tom in NJ March 28th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    Looks as if both Gardner and Melky will get spots:

    “The competition between centerfielders Brett Gardner and Melky Cabrera is likely to end with both players making the Yankees.

    “That’s probably my expectation right now,” manager Joe Girardi said Friday.

    Girardi was not ready to reveal which player he wants as the starting centerfielder, though he did say he has one in mind. He and other Yankees decision-makers, most notably general manager Brian Cashman, plan to sit down and discuss that and other roster decisions in the next couple of days.”

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....2728.story

  83. disco stu March 28th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    “Gotta wonder what Robertson did to piss off Girardi because he couldn’t have had a better Spring statistically.

    Perhaps that explains why Robertson hasn’t gotten into a game in over a week.”

    I think Robertson will get another shot along the way … there is too much attrition that goes with a 162 season … either by injury of ineffectiveness, the Yankees will need to dip into their farm system at some point this year and I am sure that Robertson will be on the short list of relievers to get the call … just like last year.

    You could argue that the way Robertson was shelved could very well have been by design to some degree … see how reacts to being showcased so infrequently during ST and then demoted. Will he go to SWB and pitch with a purpose OR will he let it get to him and have it adversely effect his performance? I’m sure that it would not be the first time a team “tested” a prospect to see how they deal with the disappointment.

  84. Joey's Poodle March 28th, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    Sorry, T-mvp, no stats, just my impression over long years of watching baseball, which is that the guys who made big strides in their late twenties have usually been starting lefties.

    Better stat guys on here can probably prove me right or wrong.

  85. Cal March 28th, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    “Perhaps that explains why Robertson hasn’t gotten into a game in over a week.”
    I think Robertson will get another shot along the way … there is too much attrition that goes with a 162 season … either by injury of ineffectiveness, the Yankees will need to dip into their farm system at some point this year and I am sure that Robertson will be on the short list of relievers to get the call … just like last year.”

    Middle Relief is one of the most spottiest things in baseball, the more options you have the better, which is why all this trade talk is shortsighted. No one knows what lies ahead for the season, as far as injuries and effectiveness.

    With middle relief being so unpredictable you need as many alternatives as possible, you don’t just trade away solid arms that can step in over the course of 162 games.

  86. Teixeiramvp March 28th, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    Gardner’s going to start, but Girardi’s going to pull his a$$ as soon as he hits a bad streak.

  87. Cal March 28th, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    “Gardner’s going to start, but Girardi’s going to pull his a$$ as soon as he hits a bad streak.”

    Hence just one more reason for Cabrera to be on the bench, heaven forbid they trade Melky and then we have to hear about “go get Cameron” after the first month of the season.

  88. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    Looks like Reegie Corona will make the Seattle roster. Hitting .296 a 7 RBI with his 1st homer.

  89. Chip March 28th, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    I’d imagine towards the all-star break, we could see Melky/Albie/prospect get moved for a need. By that time Robertson and Melancon will be either up with the big team or putting up numbers that say they should be there and someone in the Claggett/Dunn/Jackson/Whelan/ect group might be doing the same. You can never have enough relievers and I wouldn’t be surprised to see Bruney moved to a team as a closer if he really did learn some control.

  90. Teixeiramvp March 28th, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    Cal-I don’t think we necessarily need Melky. Remember, Sisher will be on the bench. They could always use him, but only if needed. I like Gardner and think he’ll do well.

  91. Teixeiramvp March 28th, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    Sorry, Swisher, not Sisher.

  92. E-gawa March 28th, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    “It would only be a kagilion if Matsui was going to be playing the field but that isn’t happening since the Yanks want him hitting primarily.

    Johnny Damon isn’t a spring chicken, Nady can be a very streaky hitter and do we really know what Gardner is all about. I mean lets see him for a month into the season. Once again Swisher is not going to be playing CF under any cirumstance, just another reason to keep Melky, Swisher will be on the corners.

    Joe also said he would like to keep guys fresh. Its up to him to figure out the optimum roles, get at bats and make late game moves to create success, if he can’t do it then he isn’t the right man for the job.”

    I still don’t see the purpose. Melky has never been known for his bat. His upside was his defense and even that was choppy at times. If Gardner isn’t hitting in a month.. What’s Melky going to bring?

    Matsui may play some games out there. I know they say they want to avoid it but how can you avoid those VS NL numbers he’s got during interleague. He’s one of the best June hitters in the majors.

  93. Teixeiramvp March 28th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    I see no reason Swish can’t play CF. If Gardner’s hitting bad and you’re serious about trading Melky, it’d be stupid not to consider it.

  94. Neil March 28th, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    When it comes to hard decision times, players with options always make a GM’s job slightly easier. Such is the case with somebody like David Robertson.
    Both he and Melancon among others will be heard from this year. Nothing is etched in stone that a team won’t have injuries or slumps.

  95. PAT M. March 28th, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    Keep them both…It’d be nice to have a deep bench again….Besides could be losing 3 OF’s next season…

  96. Boston Dave March 28th, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    “I watched Lou Brock, and later Vince Coleman absolutely murder teams with their speed.”

    Ichiro won an MVP with his speed. I even remember Juan Pierre giving the Yankees fits in the World Series.

    It’s one reason I respect the Mike Scioscia and the Angels – they play that scrappy style of baseball and it’s fun to watch.

    Hopefully a guy like Brett Gardner can bring a little bit of that to the Yanks this season.

  97. Cal March 28th, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    “I see no reason Swish can’t play CF. If Gardner’s hitting bad and you’re serious about trading Melky, it’d be stupid not to consider it.”

    You’re looking at it that way but I have heard nothing from the Yankees to indicate Swisher playing CF, I thought they would give it a shot, but that has simply not been mentioned once by Girardi at all.

    From all the reviews I heard Swisher was not much to write home about playing CF.

    Its like you guys are almost scared of Melky hanging around and then winds up taking over for Gardner in CF, if Gardner struggles. Like I said Melky can come into a close game late defensively for Damon.

    He can be started in CF on occasion, he would be the fastest guy on our bench, faster than Ransom, Swisher, Molina. He could be inserted in a close game on the bases for Posada, Nady, Matsui, Tex (less likely because of Tex’s glove) but still possible in a tight game and the Yankees needing a faster runner.

    Being able to use him in such roles would still allow the Yankees to utilize Nick Swisher without being hesitant by having only 1 OF on the bench.

    The question is who replaces Melky if he is not here, you mean to tell me our bench would be when Arod returns,

    Swisher, Ransom, Molina, ??????????

  98. Boston Dave March 28th, 2009 at 6:44 pm

    Robertson will get his chance this season. It’s not a huge deal, IMO, that he is starting off in the minors.

    Girardi is going to go with the guys he’s familiar with first. Somebody will get hurt or disappoint and Robertson will get his shot.

    Same goes for Albaladejo – he at least deserves a shot as well.

  99. Boston Dave March 28th, 2009 at 6:47 pm

    “The question is who replaces Melky if he is not here, you mean to tell me our bench would be when Arod returns,

    Swisher, Ransom, Molina, ??????????”

    I don’t know many teams that have all-star benches. IMO, your bench should give you flexibility. You need your utility guy, your backup catcher, and it would be nice to have a decent bat (Swisher?) who has some flexibility. They’d also carry at least one more guy in addition to those 3.

    As has been pointed out in the past, the Yankees made attempts to upgrade their bench with more proven guys, but those guys want to play every day somewhere else.

    I have nothing against Melky and have always backed him up, but if there isn’t room AND they can get something for him in a trade (I realize it wouldn’t be a top prospect) then they have to consider it.

  100. Nick in SF March 28th, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    The greatest fear is not that one of Gardner and Melky will be so much better than the other, it’s that they’ll both stink. :(

  101. Boston Dave March 28th, 2009 at 6:50 pm

    “Like I said Melky can come into a close game late defensively for Damon. ”

    Damon might actually be the better fielder of the two (anybody have stats to compare them?), aside from the obvious disparity in their arms.

  102. Boston Dave March 28th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    very true Nick. Outside of Yankee-land, I doubt many people expect either of them to do much of anything.

    That doesn’t mean they won’t play well, but we can’t safely assume they will (yet).

  103. PAT M. March 28th, 2009 at 7:00 pm

    Nick in SF…..Nova plus 2…My get well game….Gardner has much more upside potential…I do think they both should stay …..

  104. Brad March 28th, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    Unless the economy takes a nice upturn before summer, there will be teams with declining attendance looking to shed payroll before the July 31st trading deadline and Cashman is well aware of it.

  105. Doreen March 28th, 2009 at 7:21 pm

    Boston Dave -

    It IS fun to watch – - as long as it’s not against the Yankees! :lol:

    I think I read in the last couple of weeks that Girardi would like for Matsui to be able to play the outfield during interleague play.

  106. Mike March 28th, 2009 at 7:57 pm

    Hey, if Albaladejo making the team along with a long man means Edwar Ramirez doesn’t make the team that would be great. Remember, if not for Albaladejo getting hurt last year we would never have seen Ramirez. With the way Albaladejo was pitching before his injury and the way he has so far this spring he deserves that spot not Edwar.

  107. Chip March 28th, 2009 at 7:59 pm

    In case you guys still wanted some defensive stats. Damon>Melky in left field while Gardner>>>>>>>>Melky>>Swisher>Damon in center. And Swisher is pretty much equivalent to Melky in right. I’m using UZR/150 in case anybody is wondering

  108. AD March 28th, 2009 at 8:25 pm

    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO – Get Edwar out of there

  109. BigBen March 28th, 2009 at 8:33 pm

    “will shelly duncan EVER stay in bigs with anyone?”

    He can, but only when he develops good plate discipline. The difference between “AAAA” players and major leaguers is that major leaguers make the adjustment to being in the big leagues. AAAA players always make the same mistakes. And Shelley did that this spring training. Shelley’s big hangup is that he doesn’t make the pitcher throw strikes. He has a tendency to swing at every pitch. He’s ALWAYS behind in the count. You can’t be in the big leagues if you’re an easy out.


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