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Nothing like a good Titanic joke.
great picture,
http://riveraveblues.com/wp-co.....-to-mo.jpg
It seems as if the male Yankee fans are the one abandoning ship.
Well they’ve certainly re-arranged the deck chairs a few times.
m -
Oh, I so agree!
I told my husband the other day, who is very bemused by my participation here, that the women all seem to be very realistic, while the men (not all) are more likely to be the most “reactionary,” to be kind.
Not much going on with the minor league teams tonight with Scranton and Trenton both getting rained out as well.
The good news is that Austin Jackson was back in the lineup after getting plunked on the elbow last Wednesday.
Tampa is off tonight so that leaves Charleston as the only Yankee farm club in action tonight with Brackman on the mound.
Giuseppe Franco -
Good news about Jackson.
you gotta have faith, thanks for that link/pic. i love math!
you gotta have faith (right porch giveth and the right porch taketh away) April 20th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
great picture,
http://riveraveblues.com/wp-co.....-to-mo.jpg
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LOL!
I miss the Giambino. I think they should have re-signed him and kept him as a DH.
Pete – I’m glad Thursday is an off day.
It will give you time to recover from Giambi leaving again.
Tennyson said it best -
Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.
I swear every single time I make a post Pete has to post another entry and I get lost in the shuffle:
From last thread, not that it matters now:
“You can slowly see if he’s improving”
Really? Based on what?
From what I can tell he is only getting worse. I dont care he had a 1-2-3 in his first inning on Saturday. What was followed by that was not anything that had been “slowly improving.”
Its my opinion that Cashman saw this coming which is why he avoided a long term deal with Wang and chose to go the arbitration route.
Remember when everyone was calling for Cashman’s head for not locking Wang down?? Well this is your reasoning. The league has figured him out and if he isnt close to perfections with his sinker down, he is no better than a Batting Practice pitcher.
Prepare for something drastic with the Wanger this season, everyone. It ain’t gonna get better.
How could you not love Giambi?
2 minute standing ovation tomorrow please
Yeah. He sure deserves it RDG.
wtf is that supposed to mean Giambi?? The A’s will sink before the Yanks this year bro…
Standing ovation for what, exactly?
Doreen
April 20th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
m –
Oh, I so agree!
I told my husband the other day, who is very bemused by my participation here, that the women all seem to be very realistic, while the men (not all) are more likely to be the most “reactionary,” to be kind.
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I know that I shouldn’t say this, but, I’m bored and want to live dangerously. I got guts.
Is that “realistic” for normal people, or, “realistic” for womem?
also lol @ Dr. Cox, Wang was 54-20 before this season dude…. best winning percentage in the history of baseball if extrapolated to 100 decisions… He has had some mechanical flaws in his deliveries but he’s had a big enough sample size, the guy can pitch. he’ll fix what is going wrong. You don’t just forget how to get people out, or lose your stuff w no injury after having that much success. Get a clue
wHEN will GB learn to spell the word “women”?
it must be freudian.
“Is that “realistic” for normal people, or, “realistic” for womem?”
Gutsy indeed.
Tom K,
For being a great player. I don’t mean stats wide (except for ’02,’03, and ’06 where he was awesome), but he had a great attitude and he became a fan-favorite in New York.
KO-
got a clue.
just seeing the bigger picture. and simply my opinion.
GB7 =
No guts, not glory, right?
Ha! Ha! Ha!
I think it’s way too early to bury Wang.
His career numbers coming to the 2009 season were not a fluke:
54-23, 3.79 ERA in 95 starts
I don’t believe for a minute that he forgot how to pitch. It may take time but he’ll eventually get it together.
He’s too good of a pitcher for the last 3 + years to be a fluke.
GB7 -
Wait. Are you insinuating that women aren’t normal?????????????
DT
April 20th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
wHEN will GB learn to spell the word “women”?
it must be freudian.
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I said that I had guts. Didn’t say a word about spelling or typing. That’s a woman’s job.
(Thank God, there’s a monitor between me and them.)
“I told my husband the other day, who is very bemused by my participation here, that the women all seem to be very realistic, while the men (not all) are more likely to be the most “reactionary,” to be kind. ”
can i blame small sample sizes?
Doreen
April 20th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
GB7 –
Wait. Are you insinuating that women aren’t normal?????????????
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Hey, what’s normal, Doreen?
Love you guys. Great sense of humor.
(I hope.)
“can i blame small sample sizes?”
it’s not the size of the sample, it’s what you do with it.
its not even raining that hard
Most of the women I know are about as normal as having 6 fingers on one hand.
I keed, I keed.
GB
Women aren’t normal people. We are way above the norm, often higher than average and occasionally exceed the mean too.
You gotta- You gotta be kidding me. It is rainy and windy. It is awful and gross out. Yanks made the right choice canceling game.
Not a Giambi fan. I wouldn’t boo him, but neither would I give him a standing O
pat
April 20th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
GB
Women aren’t normal people. We are way above the norm, often higher than average and ***occasionally exceed the mean*** too.
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Even I’m not stupid enough to make a comment on this one.
Guiseppe Franco, thanks – that’s good news on Jackson.
The stadium is safe as long as an iceberg doesn’t make it’s way to the Bronx……
The best way to react to other teams players is to do absolutely nothing….like they don’t exist.
You know, if you knew my life circumstances, you’d know that the choice of the word “normal” is so not in my vocabulary!
Anyway, I agree with pat.
Looking back at the track history of Cashman’s pitching decisions: Pavano, Brown, Igawa…yeah, it would make sense that Cashman had the foresight to forego extending Wang. Wang is actually a good pitcher, what the heck is that?!
Whatever the reason for not extending Wang I don’t think, “the league has figured him out” is the culprit.
The titanic is a perfect analogy. Class divisions on display!
Doreen
April 20th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
You know, if you knew my life circumstances, you’d know that the choice of the word “normal” is so not in my vocabulary! Anyway, I agree with pat.
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I was going to do a little “creative editing”, but, I’m not the type to go for the cheap laugh.
Oh, Hell, yes I am.
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pat
April 20th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
GB
Women aren’t normal people. We are way above the norm, often higher than average and occasionally exceed the mean too.
Edited version.
pat
April 20th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
GB
Women aren’t normal, often high, occasionally exceed mean. too.
What was the word on the Big G’s press conference.
The trolls are getting out of hand. Someone impersonated m. at 7:40.
Another question was is the word on X-Man?
OK. Now that’s just about enough. The Mets are trying to buy a title. Now, they’ve gone out and thrown greenbacks at Wily Mo Pena. Who do they think they are, anyway? The Red sox?
Sorry about that, Nick.
Was my paintbrush too broad?
Is setting up a website with registration expensive? why doesn’t LoHud do it?
Jennifer -
I haven’t heard, but I’ll but the word on Giambi’s press conference was “f’n awesome.”
No need to apologize, m, you’re not responsible for what the impersonator said.
Good news: I’m officially rooting for the Lakers until the finals and possibly beyond.
m
April 20th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Sorry about that, Nick.
Was my paintbrush too broad?
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Paintbrush? It was more like a high pressure spray gun.
I still chuckle when I think of Giambino giving the Orioles the finger when he hit over the shift. That said, I’d still rather have someone who could field a bunt and throw the ball all the way to home plate on a fly.
From the Giambi GQ article…
“In their clubhouse exposé, The Yankee Years, Joe Torre and Tom Verducci report that you approached Torre at one point and told him, regarding A-Rod, “Skip, it’s time to stop coddling him.” What made you say that?
>I don’t think anybody had ever been real with him. When you’re a superstar, everybody tells you what you want to hear. I know, in my life, sometimes it’s just nice for somebody to be honest with you, like, “Okay, you #@#$’ stink right now. Now what are we gonna do?” I know what it was like when I struggled that one year, and maybe that was my wake-up call. They said they were gonna send me to the minors. Somebody was @#$#@ real with me and said, “Listen, you’re #$%#$ struggling, you suck right now, let’s get it going!” And then I took off. So that’s why I said that.”
A must read…
http://men.style.com/gq/blogs/.....son-g.html
“Women aren’t normal, often high, occasionally exceed mean. too.”
Divorced I presume.
jennifer
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....iambi.html
Nick,
If anything happens, I’ll know who to blame. What is beyond? Next season?
Green Beret,
They had removed the water hoses to make room for more life boats.
Giambi seems like a great guy, but his signing represented a shift away from the kind of multi-dimensional second-tier star player that made the Yanks so great during the dynasty run. The stat guys love Giambi, but give me 9 Paulis, Tinos and Bernies any day of the week.
beyond = winning the championship this year.
If it’s the Cavs vs. the Lakers, I root for the Cavs.
If it’s anyone else vs. the Lakers, I root for the Lakers.
Those are the rules.
Thanks for post that article. Was a good read.
Hmmm… I wonder how many more Giambi posts Pete will put up this week.
“Big G gets his first hit at the new stadium!”
“Giambino treats Phil and Brett to dinner and lap dances!”
“Jason breaks out the stache for series finale!”
“Should Yankees trade for Giambi to replace Matsui?”
From that GQ link, I see Giambi talked a little about the Clemens/liniment story. Oh goodie?
Brackman is pitching his best pro game so far, but, losing because the Dogs can’t score. One real mistake was a solo homer. 2-0 Savannah.
Brackman 6.0 innings, 5 hits, 2 runs, 2 earned runs, 0 walks, 8 strikeouts, 1 HR allowed, 5.06 ERA
posting** what a typo.. dear god, my English has evaded me or something..
Who is the guy who isn’t Bruney in the bridge-to-mo thing? It looks like Veras, but… well… but… is it?
The Bridge to Mo-Where.
Andrew Brackman pitched very well tonight although his offense didn’t bother to score him any runs:
6.0 IP, 5 H, 2 ER, 0 BB, 8 K
Charleston losing 2-0 in the 7th and they too are in a rain delay.
pat
April 20th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
“Women aren’t normal, often high, occasionally exceed mean. too.”
Divorced I presume.
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Safely hidden by a monitor and SN.
Looks like GB beat me to it.
If Giambi hits a HR tomorrow, will Sterling still call him “the Giambino?”
Nick-Marte
Here’s my favorite quote so far from the Giambi interview.
“So I hope to hit for a higher average this year rather than be one-dimensional, the way I was in New York.”
That’s great G. Step 1 is always admitting there is a problem.
Next we’ll see him slapping it the other way and pointing towards the heavens.
Nick-
I think it’s Marte. Hopefully soon it will be Melancon.
S.A.: thanks, but that doesn’t make much sense much either – yet, at least.
I guess it would be premature to annoint someone the bridge to Mo when he’s still in Scranton.
I just got back from the Bronx (stopped to have dinner on Arthur Avenue, to let rush hour end, before driving back to LI), and I thought the “women and children” reference was to the weather. Man, it’s like really pouring out here! The only good thing about my heading early to the Stadium was I got to the ticket office before it closed, to exchange my tickets from this washout.
Two more things –
1. No, ladies, don’t stereotype male fans here.
2. Dr. Cox is right. This may be the reason why Cash didn’t want to lock Wang in to a longterm deal. He came on quickly 4 years ago, and he might go quickly, too. Depending on what’s happening with Andy and some of the kids this season, I wouldn’t be shocked to see CMW become part of a trade for a major OF. It’s not that I don’t like Wang – quite the contrary, I’m really feel for him, as well as being disappointed as a fan of the team. He seems like a very nice guy. It’s just that this is a business, and we all want a winning team.
pat- Thanks
Speaking of Marte, ex-Yankee Ross Ohlendorf has a shutout going through 6 innings. But it’s just against the Marlins.
Maybe they’ve hesitated to sign Wang to a long term deal because he doesn’t miss enough bats and has less of a margin for error when he doesn’t have his good stuff.
It may not have anything to do with his shoulder problems of the past.
if Giambi didnt jack those 2 homers, 2003 alcs game 7, no way do we win that game. i dont know about standing O, but I will cheer
Nick in SF ,
those marlins really suck?
I see the Sox are in mid-season form with regards to their facial hair.
Pedroia’s got the no stache/full goatee/ half a beard thing going.
Maybe the hesitation to sign Wang to a long-term deal is primarily due to an institutional bias against signing cost-controlled players to long-term deal?
Could be a factor.
The Marlins are off to a hot start….
how did the league catch up to wang if they havent seen him for about a year, and before he got hurt he was 8 and 2 with a 4.07 era???? if they had caught up to him, wouldnt he have sucked BEFORE he got hurt???
if he was doing good and started getting rocked mid-season that u can argue that the league caught up to him. let him rebuilding some arm strength and he will be just fine…..
Dr. Cox
The league doesn’t just start figuring out a pitcher in his 5th season in the league. Not after successfully dominating his healthy seasons to the tune of 19 wins. If he is hurt well then maybe there is something to that but it is absurd to say it is because the league has figured him out.
Joe hope you had a good time you can never go wrong on Arthur Avenue
I remember those 2 homers. I also remember that he supposedly wasn’t healthy enough to play. He didn’t volunteer to give what he had. He was asked to play.
russ: come on, do I have to use the winky every time?
the TRUTH: maybe the league sat down and looked at some video during the layoff?
<—- the winky
Nick – Then why did they sign Cano to a longterm?
gayle – Yeah, we ate at a place called Pasquale’s – pretty good. You were going to the game tonight, also, as I recall. How far did you get?
Anybody around remember the Cuban pitcher from the WBC? LH starter that was hitting triple digits and throwing strikes.
RAB says “The same article also notes that the Yanks are in on another Cuban defectee, supposed 19-yr old LHP Noel Arguelles, however MLB hasn’t declared him a free agent yet because of citizenship issues”
Is that the guy I remember from the WBC?
Joe That is where I go when I go to Arthur Avenue the cheese and bruchetta plate they give you when you sit down is yummy. And even better they take reservations which you usualy need the night of Yankee’s games
I luckily didnt go far at all asI had heard the game was postponed so knew not to head anywhere near the Bronx tonight. I was going to take the subway from the office anyway so no big deal lol.
Joe: the signing of Cano to the long-term deal was an abberation, wasn’t it? Are you saying there has been no such bias in recent years?
And there were about 5,000 comments last season blaming the long-term deal on Cano’s slow start. Not that I would endorse such thinking.
Michael Kei (Igawa)
April 20th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
From the Giambi GQ article…
“In their clubhouse exposé, The Yankee Years, Joe Torre and Tom Verducci report that you approached Torre at one point and told him, regarding A-Rod, “Skip, it’s time to stop coddling him.” What made you say that?
>I don’t think anybody had ever been real with him. When you’re a superstar, everybody tells you what you want to hear. I know, in my life, sometimes it’s just nice for somebody to be honest with you, like, “Okay, you #@#$’ stink right now. Now what are we gonna do?” I know what it was like when I struggled that one year, and maybe that was my wake-up call. They said they were gonna send me to the minors. Somebody was #$# real with me and said, “Listen, you’re #$%#$ struggling, you suck right now, let’s get it going!” And then I took off. So that’s why I said that.”
A must read…
http://men.style.com/gq/blogs/.....son-g.html
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Hey Jason,
What Alex could have said about you throwing the ball into CF when 2B was the target…guess he had too much tact.
I think the Yankee mgmt always has “the grass is greener on the other side” mentality. They will throw years, perks, $$$ galore to all the free agents in the world but when it comes to their own guys they nickel & dime and try to play hardball…look at what they did to Bernie when his contract came up the first time, Andy P., Wang…they fought Wang over $500K for crying out loud, that’s less than what they gave CC before he even throwing ONE FREAKING PITCH.
Where does WFAN find their moron callers. Do they put out a message all idiots call.
First the moron says when is Alex finally going to get back to the team. Than he asks does someone have to go down when he does get back. Than he says the Yankees are going to get blown out this weekend because the Soxs beat the O’s big today.
Um okay, did he just start watching baseball.
Having nothing to do with Big G, but:
Pete, just wondering: exactly whose decision is it to not have a long man in the bullpen? Is that all Girardi? Is that something that a GM might discuss but ultimately leave up to the manager? Because for the second year in a row – coincidentally, Girardi’s second year with the team – it’s turning out to be a very dangerous idea. Girardi’s bizarre comment the other day about “not managing by thinking who the long guy in the bullpen is” would seem to indicate that he’s getting testy again…
meant “threw”, not “throwing”…
Lohud- can we get an edit button???
Nick, you’re right, the Cano deal was a groundbreaker for the Yankees. But, a lot of people were wondering, when it went down, why Wang didn’t get a similar deal; in fact, the Yankees went to arbitration with him. I have to wonder if fear of the troubles that he is currently having was the reason.
I have no idea if the deal was why Cano did so poorly last year. That would require insight into things that I don’t have.
As said before, A-Rod will be back before Cashman figures a move to put Mark Melancon on the 40-man roster and summoned to the big team. May 15 at the earliest.
Why’d you trade me for Marte?? I’ve pitched 7 innings of two hit ball tonight!!
Pure speculation, but if the braintrust is hesitant to give long-term deals to positions players, it stands to reason that they would be even more hesitant to do it for pitchers.
Giambi with a little revisionist history. He stunk it up more than one year with the bat. About 7 years with the glove..
Hey Ross even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes. It’s Jose Tabata that I am kind of upset about. The guy is the #3 prospect in the Pittsburgh system now. You and McCutchen and the other guy aren’t very talented. Real problem I have is Marte for some reason has become a LoOGY and Nady turned back into a pumpkin.
Ross Ohlendorf
April 20th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Why’d you trade me for Marte?? I’ve pitched 7 innings of two hit ball tonight!!
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I always liked you, Ross, but they can keep you if they give me back my Tabata.
Ross has talent. Tabata, on the other hand, is a hitting prodigy. Stupid Yankees.
Dr Cox might have an opinion, but he doesn’t have a clue. Does he have any facts, no, some new information, no. As he posts and reposts, “I have an opinion. Jesus wept.
I hate that bastard Giambi, but that was a very good line.
Bodh — Tabata hasn’t looked very good in his first 9 games in Altoona himself. Seems like he’s back up to the same tricks he started last year in Trenton.
.235 — .333 — .294 Power is still illusive.
Yeah Jason Giambi wooden Indian bobblehead night would be a fitting tribute to his Yankee glovemanship.
we should of got bay not nady in the deal.we gave up enough for bay,but i was happy for the instant upgrade we needed at the time of deal.it will probably look terrible by mid 2010.
russ- I agree Bay would have been a nice pick-up instead of Nady, but hindsight it 20/20.
Bay has bad knees and is an adventure in the outfield. The Yankees felt they needed a lefty reliever. Bay can only play LF and what do you do with Damon.
We have Jackson. We have money. We can get what we want.
“Really? Based on what?
From what I can tell he is only getting worse. I dont care he had a 1-2-3 in his first inning on Saturday. What was followed by that was not anything that had been “slowly improving.”
Its my opinion that Cashman saw this coming which is why he avoided a long term deal with Wang and chose to go the arbitration route.
Remember when everyone was calling for Cashman’s head for not locking Wang down?? Well this is your reasoning. The league has figured him out and if he isnt close to perfections with his sinker down, he is no better than a Batting Practice pitcher.
Prepare for something drastic with the Wanger this season, everyone. It ain’t gonna get better.”
Bahaha. Yeah, Cashman foresaw Wang completely melting down in the year 2009. Therefore, he avoided locking him up for a big deal. Two points to your opinion:
1.) So you are saying that Wang was near perfect for 3 years? Really?
2.) Cashman, the man who has signed Damaso Marte to a 3 year deal worth $12 million? The man who signed Carl Pavano, Javier Vasquez? I know I don’t need to beat a dead horse, but come on.
Everyone just needs to step back and look at Wang from a rational point of view. Could he perhaps have put up statistics that are better than he truly is as a pitcher? Sure. But the notion that he is a batting practice pitcher, his career is done, etc. are asinine.
“Its my opinion that Cashman saw this coming which is why he avoided a long term deal with Wang and chose to go the arbitration route.”
Beyond ridiculous.
“russ- I agree Bay would have been a nice pick-up instead of Nady, but hindsight it 20/20.”
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that’s why this discussion is useless except for a select few who disliked the trade from the very beginning.
the Yankees were in the playoff race and would have been ripped by these same people had they not made a move to try and make the playoffs. They make a trade and get ripped either way. Half of them were clamoring for Marte for months.
I would expect a team that can apparently predict a pitcher’s baserunning injury years advance to do better than Carl Pavano and Jaret Wright on the FA market.
I like CMW and I obviously hope he figures out his problems. There’s one thought that I cant get out of my head. Was his atrocious ’07 playoff performance against Cleveland(0-2 19.06 ERA)a portent of things to come? Did that pummelling put some doubt in his head about being capable to get out of trouble when he doesnt have his best stuff?
All pitchers go through bad stretches. I can’t think of any really good pitchers who have ever put up numbers as bad as Wang has when he goes into a rut, even knuckleballers.
Yeah, Wang is only making 5 mil a year on arbitration. It’s a mechanical flaw that they are having a problem fixing. Randy I had many posts about this the other day backed up with facts and observations. He’s an ex catcher so he is knowledgeable. Interesting comments including inside info from Allen, who taught Wang the sinker. Now we have a prophetic conspiracy.
Drive-
The problem with that theory is that he started the year last year before his injury fantastically. If the playoffs had such a bad effect on him that would not have been the case.
I am not expert but I will go with Brian Bruney’s thoery that he doesnt trust his foot yet, remember Bruney had th4e same injury and he said he had the same problem and Bruney injury happened before Wang’s so maybe Wang is just at that point Bruney was.
Carl
bringing jackson up would be really stupid.7 games at aaa is not nearly enough.we should beef up are bench with a right handed hitter.,with who i’m not sure.robertson should come up once his ten days are up.mark melancon needs “at least” a few months at aaa.we’ve rushed alot of players since 07′.ross,ian,hughes, due to being desperate.I also think melky should start some games in cf.Gardners bat with ransom in the lineup hurts even more than it would normally.
“Did that pummelling put some doubt in his head about being capable to get out of trouble when he doesnt have his best stuff?”
If it did, he must have forgotten about it all last year. He was on his way to yet another 15+ win season when he suffered his foot injury. Don’t doubt his present troubles are in his head, but I don’t think a bad playoff performance in 2007 has anything to do with it.
A. Bay > Nady
B. Beckett > Pavano
C. Dice-K > Shades
A+B+C = water under the bridge.
Well sort of.
gayle,
Here’s hoping youre right. But that Cleveland performance stunk as bad as this recent stretch. Maybe they are unrelated, but his recent performance is eerily similar.
Wang was outstanding last April so he obviously was able to shake off his rough 2007 postseason:
5-0, 3.23 ERA, 1.18 WHIP
I understand Wang got hammered against Cleveland in the playoffs but Wang did pitch pretty well in his two previous postseason starts.
The truth of the matter is Wang has always been underestimated and unappreciated by both the fans and media alike so it’s not exactly a shock that there is a number of people who are already writing his obituary.
He deserves better than that. He was by far the most effective starter this team had from 2005 to 2008.
“A. Bay > Nady
B. Beckett > Pavano
C. Dice-K > Shades”
A. Manny > Bay
B. Hanley >= Beckett
C. $100M+ > Daisuke
Jennifer,
Sometimes baseball fans have the slightest clues of whats going on. I live in NC, and my friend who cheers for the braves, heard that Tex was out for the season from a local news station, when he injured his wrist going into the Kansas City series lol
Bronx Jeers: that’s a bridge over troubled waters.
“The truth of the matter is Wang has always been underestimated and unappreciated by both the fans and media alike so it’s not exactly a shock that there is a number of people who are already writing his obituary.”
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I’m dusting off Cano’s LoHud obituary from 2008 right now. And Bruney’s from a week ago.
Good to see Brackman with a real nice performance..
the best part is no walks and 8 k’s in 6 innings…2 runs allowed
Yankees > Red Sox for ?
That’s supposed to be for “infinity”. Symbol does not compute.
“Good to see Brackman with a real nice performance..”
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this is a big year for Brackman. He’s in the 3rd year of a 4-year deal (Yanks have option years for 2012-13) and he’ll be expected to progress quickly.
It will be interesting to see how the Yankees handle him. If he pitches well, he’ll make their decisions easier.
I’m dusting off Cano’s LoHud obituary from 2008 right now. And Bruney’s from a week ago.
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No kidding.
Unfortunately, that’s the way a large contingent of Yankee fans are. Some people have zero concept of the big picture.
That’s a big reason why their success of a decade ago helped breed those kinds of fans – very spoiled, an overall sense of entitlement, and no patience whatsoever.
Boston Dave
April 20th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
“A. Bay > Nady
B. Beckett > Pavano
C. Dice-K > Shades”
A. Manny > Bay
B. Hanley >= Beckett
C. $100M+ > Daisuke”
Dave, I don’t want to sound like the typical Sox troll here, just want to make an observation.
I agree that 100 million was a lot to spend on Dice-K, but I think that 100 million was far better spent than the 50 million that the Yankees spent on Igawa.
What have you guys really got so far for that 50 million?
“this is a big year for Brackman. He’s in the 3rd year of a 4-year deal (Yanks have option years for 2012-13) and he’ll be expected to progress quickly”
Would think innings limitations will be an issue. He’s still never thrown as much as 90 IP in a any year. Just building him up to the point where he can eat some actual innings may take time. That’s two pretty good outings in a row for Brackman, but I think it’s 2011 before he’s close to being a contributor in the bigs.
“What have you guys really got so far for that 50 million?”
The first-ever active-player inductee to the AAAA Hall of Fame.
The strange thing about Wang is how different he can look from one start to the next against the same team…
I especially remember a game he pitched in 2007 against Boston where he nearly no-hit them…remember that one?
Yet just a couple of weeks later Boston hit him hard as I recall…
The same thing happened to him against the Blue Jays I think…
At times he’s had no-hit type of stuff one week and then nothing the next…at least that’s what it seemed like to me…
But then again, he did manage two consecutive 19 wins seasons…
I’m not one of those writing Wang’s obituary. His regular season winning percentage speaks for itself. The kid is only 29. That said, it’s fair enough to look at his Game 4 performance when he only lasted an inning and wonder if he thinks back to it when things spin out of control. He’s human. It’s just very odd for a pitcher with his record to be hit at a .600 clip.
I miss Bino.
“The first-ever active-player inductee to the AAAA Hall of Fame.”
The Hensley Muellens HOF???
“I agree that 100 million was a lot to spend on Dice-K, but I think that 100 million was far better spent than the 50 million that the Yankees spent on Igawa.
What have you guys really got so far for that 50 million?”
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ray,
no doubt (though with time value of money the $$ spent on Daisuke is closer to $135-150M over 6 years).
I definitely wasn’t saying that the Yankees moves were good or the Sox bad. Just that you can play the “hindsight” game with anybody.
“Unfortunately, that’s the way a large contingent of Yankee fans are. Some people have zero concept of the big picture.”
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I can understand, though I don’t agree, with the skepticism of guys like Gardner who still have much to prove.
It amazes me that some fans can turn on a guy who has years of performance standing behind him after a few bad games though.
After reading game threads over the past several years, however, I become less and less amazed. It’s just the way some people are –
panic-mongering lunatics.
ray (sox fan): If the entire $50 million had been used to buy enough gummi bears to stock the stadium concession stands for the rest of the century, it would STILL have been better value for the money than spending it on the Kei-Man. It’s a toss-up between him and the Idle for worst return on an investment this side of the stock market.
“The strange thing about Wang is how different he can look from one start to the next against the same team…”
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though true, it’s always tougher to face a club a second time within a week or so.
The Sox have tried to make adjustments against Wang (quite possibly immediately after that start) by moving up in the box.
I personally think when Wang is ‘good’ he’s one of the more consistent guys around.
In fact, he was the staff savior for a while. They could always count on him to go late into games with a low pitch count and save their bullpen after the previous pitcher had gotten rocked (the role AJ is playing right now thanks to CMW)
And I love the Yankees, and it’s true the Sox wanted Pavano too. Not sure what the allure was with Igawa beyond keeping up with the Joneses. And hindsight is 20/20. But they were both pretty much epic fails as soon as they arrive in the Bronx.
Sorry – “arrivED” – my bad.
“It’s just very odd for a pitcher with his record to be hit at a .600 clip.”
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It’s not that odd. If he throws his sinker properly, he’s ok. If not, well…
If Tim Wakefield couldn’t throw his knuckleball, Hoffman his changeup, etc
when you rely on 1 pitch and it’s not working, you in trubba.
“But they were both pretty much epic fails as soon as they arrive in the Bronx.”
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I’ll always be puzzled by Igawa but I can’t blame the Yankees for Pavano. He was the top free agent pitcher that many teams wanted and they got him for a market deal.
If the Yankees were able to sign the consensus top free agent pitcher every offseason to a market value contract, is that a bad thing?
That one just didn’t work out.
The strategy wasn’t as flawed as the outcome. Igawa is another story.
“That’s two pretty good outings in a row for Brackman, but I think it’s 2011 before he’s close to being a contributor in the bigs.”
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I agree. There’s just quite a bit of pressure involved.
If Brackman has any hiccups whatsoever, he’ll quite possibly be a free agent or 1 year from free agency before the Yankees even know what they have.
I hope he can rise quickly.
Rob NY — 2009 The Road to Redemption
April 20th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Bodh—Tabata hasn’t looked very good in his first 9 games in Altoona himself. Seems like he’s back up to the same tricks he started last year in Trenton.
.235—.333—.294 Power is still illusive.
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Having actually seen Tabata play numerous times, his current numbers wouldn’t concern me if he were still ours. You DON’T trade a bat like that. Just as Cashman steadfastly refused to trade Cano, although nearly everyone on here, and his brother, wanted him dealt.
Tabata is 20 years old. He is a very talented hitter. The trade was a joke. Nady and Marte?? Marte is awful vs. patient AL lineups. Nady is neither a great hitter or fielder, he’s a guy with some RH power and not great patience.
You DON’T trade Tabata for these guys – especially when you consider our crop of A-list OF prospects are still at least a few years away, minus AJax and his 2010 ETA. (Sosa, Urena, DeLeon, Duran, Almonte)