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Chien-Ming Wang’s next start will be skipped. Meanwhile he and the Yankees try and figure out what is going wrong.
Jason Giambi was happy to be back in New York. This notebook also has news on A-Rod, Xavier Nady and Mark Teixeira.
The Yankees and Oakland will try again tonight. Andy Pettitte will be on the mound.
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Chad Jennings
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From the previous thread.
Speaking of Kim Jones, here’s a great picture of her from High School. It’s at the bottom of the post.
http://claybuchholzloveslaptop.....82408.html
I’ve never seen a new stadium under so much scrutiny. Everyone is talking about the wind currents. It’s on the 6:00 news CNN…..weird.
Predictions: the Wanger will regain his old, winning form soon and the new Stadium really is a ‘homerdome’.
Anyone else going to the game tonight? I’m pumped, hopefully the weather improves a little bit.
Personally, I think all the taters being hit out of the yard are because the ghosts came across the street and are supporting the team.
Why are they hitting them for Cleveland?
bodhisattva -
THAT was funny!
I guess the ghosts are mad about being displaced!
re: Ohlendorf – I believe he would have been perpetually miscast w/the Yanks. He was not going to crack the rotation, and sporadic appearances from the bullpen would have stunted his growth as a pitcher.
He is clearly a starting pitcher, the one column that is completely filled w/NYY.
In Cashman’s defense, the Yankees have a surplus of Ohlendorf type pitchers in the minors. Garcia, Horne, IPK, Hacker to name a few. We also have better guys like Hughes, McAlister, Brackman and Betances. That’s why you build up this surplus, to fill in needs or make trades.
With Tabata, he clearly has some personality issues that would not have played well in NY. Even Tabata said so after the trade. He commented about the pressures of NY.
You are not going to alway get the results you want in a trade, but I’m not going to knock Cash on this, I thought it was good at the time.
I will be at the game tonight. I hope the weather holds out or isn’t that bad.
I also have tix for tonights game… Think they will play??
I still think it was a great trade. Ohlendorf was never going to start here, and Tabata, when he cracks the powerful Pirates lineup and his wife isnt kidnapping kids ill worry.
They should play tonight. Any rain should be out of here by this evening. Meanwhile in Scranton, its possible Eric Duncan may finally have found his position and turned a corner. He has been playing left field, and has looked surprisingly good out there is a shot amount of time according to Chad Jennings’s blog. He is off to a hot start hitting 360. While he obviously won’t continue at that pace, with the Yanks outfield situation, Nady out, Matsui limited to DH role, and thos 2 plus Damon probably not returning next year, this could be something to keep an eye on.
Looks like worst of the rain would be 5-7pm… so I would guess yes on baseball, but no batting practice.
The same people overreacting to Ohelndorf having a good start are the ones overreacting to the HR explosion over the weekend. He was 0-2, 4.91 in his first two starts this season and 0-3, 6.35 in five starts last year.
“The same people overreacting to Ohelndorf having a good start are the ones overreacting to the HR explosion over the weekend. He was 0-2, 4.91 in his first two starts this season and 0-3, 6.35 in five starts last year.”
Ya, but he did well yesterday, so it must mean the yankees suck.
Thanks guys…
Also I think we need to bring up Hughes and duncan.. Might as well give them a shot now early…
Thought you might enjoy this- 4 straight no hitters. Boras probably calling his house right now!
http://www.cbssports.com/general/story/11653807
“Also I think we need to bring up Hughes and duncan.. Might as well give them a shot now early…”
Duncan isn’t on 40 man roster, so he’s stuck in WB/S for now.
The decision to extend Cano the long-term contract as opposed to Chien-Ming has proven prescient (not a term I would use to describe the majority of Cashman’s moves).
Funny story, george Falkowski who works as a reporter for News12 new jersey sports used to know Susan Waldmyn from his Boston days. He once told me that she was known as the BJ queen by everyone in the media up there. The story is true.
Last year, nobody could have predicted exactly how Ohlendorf, Tabata, Marte and Nady would be doing a this point.
Someone mentioned Ohlendorf wouldn’t have cracked our rotation … they’re right. Even with Wang struggling, there’s Hughes waiting in the wings. At least two guys would have to get hurt for him to even have a shot at helping the team.
Nady? Nobody could have predicted his elbow going like that. Can’t go back & call it a bad trade when you seriously look at those two guys. You still have to look at those as a good pair to trade for both teams. Nady just got hurt playing ball.
I think Tabata and Marte were more chance than Nady & Ohlendorf. Tabata is a prospect. Marte is a bullpen pitcher, and the rare bullpen pitcher who doesn’t flame out in a few years. They both teams knew that about these two guys.
Overall, it’s still a good trade for both teams. That Nady got hurt last week doesn’t change that. Nady didn’t suddenly become a Pavano case, he just got hurt. There’s a difference between the two. It’s a normal risk you take with every player on the roster. Except Pavano of course.
I’m confused. Reading from Feinsand’s recent blog regarding Wang (and Pete has basically said the same thing)-
” For all of you calling for him to be sent to the minors, keep dreaming. He has no options left and the Yankees aren’t about to expose him to waivers.”‘
I thought anyone could be put on waivers once and then pulled back. It’s the second time a player is put on waivers that it becomes “”irrevocable” – meaning you have to let him go if someone claims him.
I thought I have read in previous years at the trading deadline some GM’s put basically the entire team on waivers – to see who is claimed and who passes through.
Am I mis-understanding the waiver rule?
Can’t Cashman put Wang on waivers to see if he is claimed – and then send him to the minors if he isn’t claimed? (maybe he already has?)
Great – Nady is injured, Wang sucks, Marte is ineffective, and Ohlendorf is a young, stud pitcher on the Pirates lol
Betances:
Even though you are going to get hit by the ridiculously corny morality police for taht comment, that is amazing.
Thank you for that.
“Can’t Cashman put Wang on waivers to see if he is claimed – and then send him to the minors if he isn’t claimed? (maybe he already has?)”
No because he would be claimed. Despite Wang’s problems this season, many teams would try to claim him from waivers.
“No because he would be claimed. Despite Wang’s problems this season, many teams would try to claim him from waivers”
Laura – that is my question. I thought the first time you are put on waivers in a year, you can be pulled back if another team claims the player. Only the second time you are put on waivers – does the team not have a choice – and the claiming team gets the player.
bodhisattva
April 21st, 2009 at 9:29 am
Why are they hitting them for Cleveland?
Three Words: Marte, Veras, Ramirez. Even ghosts have limitations.
DT,
That is during the post trade deadline period, after July 31st.
If you do it now, a team can claim the player and the team waiving has no recourse, other then to work out a trade for some compensation before the waiver period ends and the player becomes a FA.
This just happened between Cardinals and Braves. A reliever and OF changed hands after the OF was waived.
Putting Wang on waivers is pure insanity.
Thanks William Buckner.
That answers my question.
So if it was AFTER July 31 – the Yanks could put Wang on waivers and then pull him back if claimed. (if not – he could be sent to the minors) – Got it.
DT
You can put a player on revocable waivers before July 31 too. The reason it doesn’t make sense to do it with Wang now is because someone would claim him, the Yankees would pull him back and they would be where they started 48 hours later anyway so why bother doing the dance.
Dom
April 21st, 2009 at 9:49 am
I also have tix for tonights game… Think they will play??
I hope so, I’ve never been to a game where a former, long tenured player returns with an opponent. It’d be neat to see the Big G’s first AB since he left.
Right,
But he would definately be claimed. They only guys on the Yankees who probably wouldn’t are Jeter and Arod, because of their contracts.
Manny wasn’t claimed in I think 2005 for that reason. Sox basically said, “go ahead and take him” and no one bit.
Leave Edwar be, he is fine. He gave up two homers saturday but after throwing 60 pitches. He is a reliever, not means to throw that many pitches.
Morality Police? Snort. Aren’t morals a prerequisite?
Here’s a crazy story about the Nats fining Elijah Dukes for being late. He was signing autographs for a little league. The league wants to pay the fine.:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4085478
Nice. Ohlendorf highlights on espnews.
Dr. Cox, your wlecome and I swear that I did not make this up. These words they truly came out of Falkowski’s mouth!
Imagine how long she has wanted to “suck off” Clemmens? Goodness Gracious!
But faking an injury to get him some “rehab” starts isn’t.
That’s what I’d do.
Lowrie to have wrist surgery. Unfortunately Nick Green’s doing a good job filling in.
*to see my photos from Opening Day click on my name*
DT –
That’s the effect you have on me. I mean that in the most sincere and friendliest kind of way! I knew what you meant about being on your jury, by the way. But don’t you think I’d do even better by defending you? Wear that Yankee cap and I will absolutely know it was self defense. And anyway, who needs Sox fans!!!
On my way to a boring meeting. Damn if only I were a sports reporter for the Yankees. Now THAT’S a cushy job!
*to see my photos from Opening Day click on my name*
DT –
That’s the effect you have on me. I mean that in the most sincere and friendliest kind of way! I knew what you meant about being on your jury, by the way. But don’t you think I’d do even better by defending you? Wear that Yankee cap and I will absolutely know it was self defense. And anyway, who needs Sox fans!!!
On my way to a boring meeting. Damn if only I were a sports reporter for the Yankees. Now THAT’S a cushy job!
If the Yankees think that Eiland is the best person to “fix” Wang, then what they are doing makes the most sense.
Since they are skipping his turn anyway, is there anything that would keep them from just sending Wang to Tampa to work with someone who could focus on just him while he remains on the roster?
Let him throw a simulated game to Alex. One might benefit from live hitting while he works on things and the other could face live MLB pitching.
You can’t put a player on waivers if he has ANY trade restrictions in his contract. So Jeter, ARod, CC, AJ, Matsui, Damon, Tex and Mariano couldn’t be waived.
People would fall all over themselves to claim Wang, Joba, Bruney, Cano et al
The Washington Nationals would claim Wang and make him the closer instantly.
I am pretty certain that is not true.
does this mean pettitte will be pitching on 3 days rest on sunday in boston?
thanks Pat and William Buckner – I found this waiver explanation online.
So basically, Wang could have actually been placed on waivers already (no one really knows since it isn’t public) – and pulled back.
Probably not, but who knows.
I agree Pat, since it’s not in the hectic trading months, if Wang WAS put on waivers he would get claimed – since it would be apparent what Cashman was trying to do. (send Wang to the minors)
Waivers
If a player placed on major-league waivers is not claimed by another team within two business days after waivers have been requested, then the player has “cleared waivers,” and the team has secured waivers for the remainder of the waiver period. The team can then do one of three things:
1. Send him to the minors.
2. Trade him to another team, even if the trading deadline has passed.
3. Do nothing at all.
Any trades involving a 40-man-roster player from July 31 to the end of the season may involve only players who have cleared major-league waivers. If a player does not clear waivers (he is claimed by one or more other teams) the club requesting waivers may withdraw the waiver request. If the club does not withdraw the waiver request, the player’s contract is assigned as follows:
1. If only one claim is entered, the player’s contract is assigned to the claiming club.
2. If more than one club in the same league make claims, the club lower in the current standings gets the player.
Andy Pettitte is pitching today, so he will be on normal rest in boston. I think we should flip CC & A-pet and have CC go in Boston, but I understand not wanting to subject a black player to the kind of rampant racism that permeates fenway.
Any player can be put on waivers but only those with less than 5 years of playing time can be sent to the minors without their permission.
For exapmle, if Jeter was put on waivers, he could refuse to go to another team he was claimed by but the Yankees could cut him.
I disagree. Wang would be claimed because he’s won 19-game winner.
Exposing players to waivers has another downside. You can only pull them back once, no?
O/T – Computer help
My AOL home page is over to the side of the screen. I can only see about 2 inches of it. I have tried to pull it over or increase it and it is not moving. Anyone have any ideas?Thanks
ack. won 19 games twice in the last 3 years.
“Exposing players to waivers has another downside. You can only pull them back once, no?”
m – Correct from what I read. The second time on waivers during the season is “irrevocable”.
Fran,
Try right clicking on the aol screen, and select minimize. Then open the window again.
If they want Wang to work out in Tampa for an extended period of time, why expose him to waivers. I would put him on the 15 day DL with “arm fatigue” or whatever.
I like Buster Olney’s idea. Skip this start, which they are, and if he continues to struggle, move him to the pen to work in shorter stints.
Fran,
Restart your computer. The cure all.
Fran,
Unfortunately, they’ve said after the first 3 starts that Wang’s not injured. But I think Cashman “mentioned” the other day, that when something’s this wrong it must be some kind of injury. So they could be laying the fertilizer first.
m,
Thanks for the suggetion, but it is still small. I must have hit something to do that and now I can’t seem to undo it.
Fran,
Maybe play with the “View” settings at the top or drag the corners?
Or, restart like Buckner said.
m,
The injury could happen today! No one from MLB will check it out. If they say Wang’s arm is fatigued, who can dispute that?
“Any player can be put on waivers but only those with less than 5 years of playing time can be sent to the minors without their permission.”
It sounds even more complicated than that –
“In addition, *a player with 3 years of major league service may refuse an outright assignment and choose to become a free agent, regardless of whether he has been sent outright to the minors previously*. A player with five or more years of ML service time, as with minor league options, is given even more rights. The player cannot be out-righted even once without Veteran’s Consent, even if he clears waivers. If the player refuses his assignment to the minors, the team must either release him, making him a free agent, or keep him on the major league roster.”
This waiver rule stuff is like understanding tax code. Sounds like even if Wang DID pass waivers, he could refuse a minor league stint as a 3 year man.
Sorry I brought all this waiver stuff up. I have even more of an appreciation for Brian Cashman’s job now. (my apologies Randy… lol)
Wang solutions:
1. Put him on double secret waivers.
2. Disguise him in leftover Giambi stache. Send to Scranton
3. Send him on “vacation” Have Wang “accidently stumble” onto AAA “pick-up game”
4. Force Wang to remove the tight leather teddy he wears under his uniform
Fran,
Well, they could claim mental fatigue. I just don’t think he was ready. But it’s taking him way too long to snap out of it.
When does CC start? The fantasy guy is saying sit CC against Oakland. He has a 3-7 record with a 6+ ERA. I’ve heard of guys having bad starts against their hometown teams, but that’s a bad track record.
CC starts tomorrow (was supposed to be today)
LOL Bronx Jeers –
Isn’t Wang about to become a daddy? (or has that already happened?)
Put him on paternity leave (in Tampa of course – daddy, mama and baby Wanger would be under Nardi’s care)
“I like Buster Olney’s idea. Skip this start, which they are, and if he continues to struggle, move him to the pen to work in shorter stints.”
Not a bad idea. They could make him the much needed long man and then when he gets his act together, move him back into the rotation. My only issue would be that if they bring Hughes up to replace Wang and then Wang gets his act together, what do you do then? Send Hughes down again?
About the waivers, I understand that basically every player is put on waivers at some point. Some to gauge interest, others because a team can claim only so many in a year.
Say if Jeter was put on waivers, Boston claims him. The Yanks pull him back. That uses up one of Boston’s waiver claims.It could get tricky on both sides.
Not telling this as gospel but it is what I have been told
m,
I agree that this is taking Wang way too long. If it is that he is not trusting his foot, Bruney said that took him a while and he had the same injury. Maybe some starts in the minors would help Wang.
Going to try re-starting my computer now.
Thanks, Rishi. So everyone gets pushed back and Wang gets skipped? I’m kind of in that day-to-day mode.
“what do you do then? Send Hughes down again?”
yes, even if he were pitching well. he goes back down.
Here is a link about waivers after the trade deadline
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=1860265
catching up on comments
i find the “he had no place on this team” explanation comical, regarding the Ross Ohlendorf trade. what does that even mean, really? we don’t need starting pitching?
maybe i’m being overly critical, but it’s almost like the current popular and overused saying, “it is what it is”, which also means absolutely nothing to me when i hear it. like when you used to ask your mom “why?” and she would respond “because.”
i think mike and the mad dog (at the time) said we gave up “absolutely nothing” at the time to obtain Marte/Nady in 2008. surprisingly, a lot of fans and other media seemed to have the same opinion. i’m fine with rooting for Ohlendorf and Tabata, simply to prove that these folks were just wrong.
“2. Disguise him in leftover Giambi stache. Send to Scranton
3. Send him on “vacation” Have Wang “accidently stumble” onto AAA “pick-up game””
Scranton is 11-0. I wouldn’t want Wang going down there so he can muck up their season too.
m – yup…that’s how it looks to me
“Maybe some starts in the minors would help Wang.”
They probably would, but the Yankees have no way of getting him to the minors. That’s why we’ve been discussing waivers. We’d have to waive him to get him to the minors and we can’t waive him because he’d be claimed within seconds of being waived.
“When someone struggles to this degree you always wonder about health,” Cashman said. “Unless the health issue comes up, you are forced to focus on other issues. Here is a guy whose velocity is down, his release point is off. He had a Lisfranc [sprain]; he used to be a runner, now he can’t run.
Is anyone else concerned that CMW can’t even run? I don’t understand how an athlete “can’t run”. He is definitely putting more stress on other areas of his body to deliver pitchers, and he’s not being upfront with management.
Yes, Hughes would get sent down.
I think people putting way too much stock into the front office saying that the next time Hughes comes up, he’s going to stay up.
You can never hold a GM to their word. Even if he weren’t being cryptic or devious, things happen. We can’t give away another Wang start again. For his sake and the team’s sake. Wang needs to get him confidence back.
Yes, Hughes would get sent down.
I think people putting way too much stock into the front office saying that the next time Hughes comes up, he’s going to stay up.
You can never hold a GM to their word. Even if he weren’t being cryptic or devious, things happen. We can’t give away another Wang start again. For his sake and the team’s sake. Wang needs to get him confidence back.
“what do you do then? Send Hughes down again?”
{yes, even if he were pitching well. he goes back down.}
Well, that would be disappointing.
There is no downside to waiving him. The worst outcome is that he doesn’t go to the minors and just stays with the team. The Yankees should waive him.
“i find the “he had no place on this team” explanation comical, regarding the Ross Ohlendorf trade. what does that even mean, really? we don’t need starting pitching?”
Who’s place on the MLB roster would Ross replace? Remember, when he was traded he was in AAA, for a team in need of starting pitching.
As I wrote above, we have a surplus of pitchers with his abilities or better in our minor league system.
Wang’s wife is due in June.
I hypothisized earlier that it could be a weight on his mind.
I just see a lack of concentration or more likely an inability to devote the needed concentration.
“The Yankees should waive him.”
Waiving him serves no purpose because it doesn’t accomplish the goal, which is to assign him to the minors. If the Yankees knew for sure that he’d clear waivers, then it makes sense. Since there is zero chance that he clears waivers, what’s the point? It’s a futile exercise.
The only thing with putting Wang in the bullpen for shorter stints is this. In what situations do you bring him in? You can’t bring him in in close games. You can’t guarantee that the Yankees have a “safe” enough lead to bring him in, and you certainly can’t plan “regularly scheduled” blowouts (either up or down). So, really, how would Wang get regular work from the bullpen?
Frankly, if missing this start and doing the simulated game thing and working the pen doesn’t help, and his next start is not even promising (and how do we define that, anyway?), the Yankees are going to have to manufacture a legitimate sounding injury. If Dontrelle Willis can have mental stress, Dice-K arm-fatigue, couldn’t there be something in injury bag for Wang????
I had read these waiver rules incorrectly. I didn’t realize we’d have to place him on irrevocable waivers. I was looking at Optional Waivers, but didn’t put 2 and 2 together on the whole OPTION part of those.
I didnt realize optional waivers existed because according to this, ‘its a gentleman’s rule that no one claims on optional waivers’
William and m,
Restarted my computer and the AOL screen is full size now. Thanks!
saucY,
I was the one who said that. Ohlendorf had no place on this team, just like Clippard, DeSalvo, Karstens, and Wright. We’ve got lots of pitching and I’d rather see these guys go where they actually have a chance to pitch. Nothing sadder than seeing a guy stuck in the minors, especially if he’s got decent stuff.
If Ohlendorf was here, where would he pitch and in what role? Scranton? As a starter? Certainly wouldn’t be in the Bronx as a reliever. So when I say he doesn’t have a place, it’s not meant to be demeaning. He litereally wouldn’t have a place. We simply have too much pitching. Which is a good thing.
If Ohlendorf continued his 0-5 slide as a starter, is this even a conversation?
Again you cannot actually waive a player with a no trade unless he consents. If the Yanks placed Jeter on waivers and he was claimed Jeter would just say no and that would be that.
I’ve looked through the CBA and cannot find where a player is not allowed to accept an assignment to the minor leagues if he has 3-5 years of experience… are we sure that’s the case? I know Wang can’t be sent down without his permission.
The best thing is for Wang to throw 100 pitches in Tampa on Thursday in a simulated game. Is he does well he starts against Detroit. If he doesn’t he goes on the DL with foot soreness related to his surgery.
“There are increasing whispers in Yankeeland that the team realizes they overpriced the good seats and a correction is coming. The issue may be how they compensate those dupes loyal fans who dropped $2,625 a seat”
pete: thank you for being a man of ‘the people’. Your coverage this year, is excellent. And fair.
86,
I think Wang needs to stay on the roster even though it eats up a spot. The simulated games sound good. We’ve got over a week before his next scheduled start, no? If he’s still not ready, then you bring up Hughes and send down someone for that start. So, conceivably it could be a couple of weeks before he starts again. And I’m sure there’ll be opportunities for him to get into a game before that. They just need to put some time and distance between this horrible start and his next start.
And I don’t think Wang had surgery. Just rehab.
Did Wang show any signs of this in Spring Training?
“And I don’t think Wang had surgery. Just rehab.”
You are correct.
James,
Didn’t watch the games, so I don’t know if he was leaving his pitches up. But yes, he had a rough spring. Which we attributed to rust. Just didn’t know that there was this much rust.
Davidoff explains my Giambi ambiguity well.
http://weblogs.newsday.com/spo.....at_wa.html
“Wang’s wife is due in June.
I hypothisized earlier that it could be a weight on his mind.
I just see a lack of concentration or more likely an inability to devote the needed concentration.”
I’m sorry I simply dont buy this. Having watched all his starts and re-watching his last start on Sat. it is clear that he is most likely not going to regain the prowness he once had. They say, “You don’t forget how to pitch.” Well, it seems that you can.
I have been overly critical of Wang this season, I know. And I applaud many of you for suppoting him, but in my opinion he is done.
Is it sad, yes. But is it the end of the world…no. Not at all. We have 4 more than reliable starters and a pleothora of young arms in the minors. Theyll be finewithout him and its a fact they are going to have to come to grips with real soon.
Last night ESPN Baseball Tonight touched on 2 possible reasons why Wang is struggling
1)Foot injury last season. Has he fully recovered? Is he shy about using his foot 100%
2)As a result of his injury last year, perhaps the long layoff has led to him being rusty. His arm & mechanics might need more starts to get back into form???
Wang can not be “sent down” without clearing waivers. His 3 yrs of service earned him this right.
He will be fine. Skipping a start is the smart move. He should take the mound again I believe next Tuesday vs the tigers.
“1)Foot injury last season. Has he fully recovered? Is he shy about using his foot 100%
2)As a result of his injury last year, perhaps the long layoff has led to him being rusty. His arm & mechanics might need more starts to get back into form???”
Fair enough. Then add in randy l’s point that Wang’s sinker is not a natural pitch for him but was learned relatively recently and that it goes against his naturally longer stride. Thus, when rehabbing, Wang may revert to the old habits and need extra work to extinguish them and return to his sinker.
pat -
Thanks for the link to that article. I am on the fence about Giambi myself. Personable, affable guy. Did not, overall, perform up to expectations, or really even close – in spite of the power numbers, he was expected to be a bitter all-around hitter. And his injuries and inability to play first base well hampered the Yankees almost every season he was here.
But he was always available for comment, seemed to enjoy his work and never had a bad word to say.
I thought, being one of the first players to have to publicly deal with the steroids issue, that he handled it better than most at the time, but wish he’d gone the extra step (understanding that his livelihood was at stake, but, seriously, who put it in that situation in the first place?).
He’ll definitely get an ovation, and for some of the things he did, and because people liked him, that’s okay. But it’s understandable if people choose to abstain from the ovation, too.
*to see my photos from Opening Day click on my name*
“Wang’s wife is due in June.
I hypothisized earlier that it could be a weight on his mind.
I just see a lack of concentration or more likely an inability to devote the needed concentration.”
I also hypothesized that possibility in an earlier thread. Can we know for sure? No. But it may be adding to whatever his woes are. Just as a general thought, people tend to forget that ballplayers are human and run the panoply of emotions the way the rest of we humans do. Paul O’Neill played in the world series the night his dad died. Bernie Williams had to go on leave when his dad was ill because he couldn’t deal with the emotion of it.
We’re all different, but emotions get to people in different ways. Wang seems to be an extremely sensitive sort.
m, i get what you’re saying. i just think “had no place on this team” is kind of vague, by itself. right now, i’d think Ohlendorf would be our 7th starter maybe.
should we save that depth for older journeymen or career minor leaguers? and just trade away any starting pitcher prospect who doesn’t have a super-high ceiling?
again though, maybe i’m just being to critical or something.
as for Wang, they showed a side-by-side shot of 2008 and this year picthing and pointed out how slouched he is this year and how much more upright he stood last year. thought it was kind of interesting.
m, i get what you’re saying. i just think “had no place on this team” is kind of vague, by itself. right now, i’d think Ohlendorf would be our 7th starter maybe.
should we save that depth for older journeymen or career minor leaguers? and just trade away any starting pitcher prospect who doesn’t have a super-high ceiling?
again though, maybe i’m just being to critical or something.
test
as for Wang, on the MLB network last night they showed a side-by-side shot of 2008 and this year picthing and pointed out how slouched he is this year and how much more upright he stood last year. thought it was kind of interesting.
m, i get what you’re saying. i just think “had no place on this team” is kind of vague, by itself. right now, i’d think Ohlendorf would be our 7th starter maybe.
should we save that depth for older journeymen or career minor leaguers? and just trade away any starting pitcher prospect who doesn’t have a super high ceiling?
again though, maybe i’m just being to critical or something.
I wonder if that is also the reason his velocity is down a couple notches.
m, i had a response to your response. but something in the filter isn’t liking it
it’s more the verbiage of it that i don’t like. like i mentioned, it’s similar to “it is what it is” to me…
My bad on the surgery… I agree he should stay on the roster and a Thursday simulated game in Tampa would be good for him.
If he’s unsure of his foot, he’s not going to use his lower body and without that he’s a 90 MPH guy with no movement which is why he’s being lit up like a pinball machine. Makes as much sense as any of our other hypotheses