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Initial report on Wang

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Apr 23, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Chien-Ming Wang threw 91 pitches today in Tampa today, 70 for strikes.

I’m still gathering the details in terms of hits and runs, but he struck out 11 without a walk and was averaging around 91 with his fastball.

Wag pitched in an extended spring training game, which is not an official minor-league game. That is why is was allowed to play.

Without being there, it’s impossible to say how he looked. The AP had a reporter there and this post will be updated as more information comes in. I think almost regardless of how he looked, however, it seems likely the Yankees will put Wang on the disabled list against his wishes.

Phil Hughes (3-0, 1.86) is ready to go in Scranton and pitched last night. He is set for Tuesday in Detroit if that is what they decide to do.

Hughes pitched well last night (7.2 6 1 1 1 7) against Buffalo.

Updates to come.

UPDATE, 3:41 p.m.: Nardi Contreras just told reporters in Tampa that Wang needs more arm strength and that is sinker is not consistent enough.

I don’t know what injury they’ll claim he has, but every indication is that Wang will be on the DL sometime soon.

UPDATE, 4:57 p.m.: Wang allowed nine hits, four runs (three earned) against a team of Phillies prospects.

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193 Responses to “Initial report on Wang”

  1. Sean Serritella April 23rd, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    Well we need Wang to be successful.

  2. Brandon Yes he's a 4th OF ! "I LOVE ME SOME ME !" April 23rd, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    Watching Colby Rasmus rip the MLB, can we get him, they need pitching.

  3. Rebecca-Optimist Prime...Staying to Write the Story April 23rd, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    I wonder if Wang’s putting more weight on his foot? That seems to have been the culprit for the altered delivery.

  4. Betsy April 23rd, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    I’m glad Wang is competitive and he doesn’t want to go on the DL, but this is the best thing for him. He needs constant repetition with his mechanics and needs to pitch, period, so that he can learn to trust his foot again. Once he does that, everything else will fall into place. We just can’t let him pitch up here – there’s too much at stake. When we get Wang back, it will be like making another trade.

  5. Billy April 23rd, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    Be nice to let Phil put together a longer string of successes but it seems like we will be needed. His cutter and curve have been much improved.

  6. KennyH123 April 23rd, 2009 at 3:36 pm

    I hear he gave up 4 HRs today.. .is that accurate?

    Need to disable him. He has to work on leg strength and trusting his lower half.

  7. Brandon Yes he's a 4th OF ! "I LOVE ME SOME ME !" April 23rd, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    “it seems likely the Yankees will put Wang on the disabled list against his wishes.”

    Well we could trade ya… what the heck is going on in STL 8O

  8. S.A.--Let's get ready to rumble! April 23rd, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    I think almost regardless of how he looked, however, it seems likely the Yankees will put Wang on the disabled list against his wishes.

    =========================

    I believe that will happen also.
    I just want Wang performing like Wang of old again this season. I still think he will be alright eventually. Well, I hope.

  9. Tex's New Best Friend April 23rd, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    Is Wang allowed to pitch in Tampa while on the DL?

  10. Betsy April 23rd, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    continuing from the other thread, naturally AJ won’t take crap from anyone, but I don’t worry about him. I worry about the umps. Someone else suggest this and I agree – AJ can’t worry about getting into a beanball war. If someone buzzes a Yankee, of course he should do the same, but he’s walking a fine line. We can’t afford to have him get thrown out of the game.

  11. Tex's New Best Friend April 23rd, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    What are the chances we convince Pujols to sign with us to play LF? I mean come onnnnnn. Alex, Tex, Pujols?

  12. SJ44 April 23rd, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    Brandon,

    Cody Rasmus is the Cards #1 prospect. He’s untouchable.

    The Cardinals would laugh at a Wang for Rasmus deal.

  13. EY April 23rd, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    I am still worried by the sudden drop in Wang’s velocity. I swear before this year he regularly sits at 94-95. And now he’s 91. Is there an explanation for this? Does he just need more time to build up his arm strength or is there something we don’t know?

  14. jennifer April 23rd, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    He struck out 11 something was def wrong.

  15. Rebecca-Optimist Prime...Staying to Write the Story April 23rd, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    Well, if Nardi’s word is the word of g-d…

  16. bryan April 23rd, 2009 at 3:46 pm

    Brandon,

    Is that some kind of a joke? Rasmus is a top prospect under control for next to cost for years to come.

  17. Betsy April 23rd, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    Strange that they couldn’t figure out that Wang lacked arm strength in ST. He was mediocre in ST, but not downright horrible. Of course, he was pitching against minor leaguers basically. Fortunately, merely pitching should help Wang. Unfortunately, I’ll bet Hughes is called up. I just don’t think this is a good thing for his development; this is not just a spot start thing, this is for a few weeks at least.

  18. pat April 23rd, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    Everyone stop with the beanball stuff.

    The Yankees have enough roster issues at the moment to add a suspension to the mix.

  19. Giuseppe Franco April 23rd, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    Maybe they’ll just use “arm fatigue” as the official injury for Wang.

    That’s what the Red Sox have done with Dice-K the last two years.

  20. Steve B April 23rd, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    “Watching Colby Rasmus rip the MLB, can we get him, they need pitching.”

    Would you trade Hughes for him?

    Doubt the Cards want to move him. Yanks can get him in 6 years though. He’s not exactly ripping MLB, but he is holding his own at the plate which is pretty good for a 22 year old.

  21. CB April 23rd, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    “Is there an explanation for this? Does he just need more time to build up his arm strength or is there something we don’t know?”

    He’s probably not trusting his foot. Even though the injury is “healed” per se doesn’t mean that it subjectively feels right to wang.

    This happens a lot with injuries. It takes time for athletes to trust their injured area again to perform at that kind of level.

    Looking at video clips from this year to last it looks like wang isn’t as stable on his right foot and is completely changing his mechanics to adjust for that sense of instability.

    I’d also guess that he’s probably not driving off his back leg as much.

    Those things have combined to drop his velocity and screw up his release point.

    This is a legitimate reason to put him on the DL. There’s nothing made up about it.

  22. Glenn April 23rd, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    It seems so odd that a pitcher like Wang who had it so together with 19-win seasons in 2006-2007 can come unglued so fast.
    It has to be partly a mental issue with his foot and mechanical adjustment. He has no shoulder or elbow issues.

  23. S.A.--Let's get ready to rumble! April 23rd, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    UPDATE, 3:41 p.m.: Nardi Contreras just told reporters in Tampa that Wang needs more arm strength and that is sinker is not consistent enough.

    I don’t know what injury they’ll claim he has, but every indication is that Wang will be on the DL sometime soon.

    =======================================

    See ya soon Phil Hughes?

  24. randy l. April 23rd, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    “and was averaging around 91 with his fastball.”

    that’s a good three mph slow compared to last year when he was throwing well.
    the good news through is that he threw 91 pitches. he should be stronger next time out.

    there is a lot going on. one variable is being in pitching shape to throw 94-95 mph.

    another variable is his arm slot which is almost a foot high at times.

    another variable is his stride length which he has to keep short by design t make the sinker sink.

    he was away for an extended period. spring training may not have been long enough for him to get his mechanics back.

    i think this is a positive step for him. if he faced a major league team and got bombed in the first few innings again he doesn’t get his work in, it costs the yankees, and it doesn’t help his psyche.

  25. Tex's New Best Friend April 23rd, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    Well if hughes comes up and pitches well, wang can be sent to the pen.

  26. Tex's New Best Friend April 23rd, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    UPDATE, 3:41 p.m.: Nardi Contreras just told reporters in Tampa that Wang needs more arm strength and that is sinker is not consistent enough.

    tired arm? its worked twice for dice-k

  27. talltenor April 23rd, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    I’m in Detroit right now & for the next several weeks, & I have Tuesday night off… I’ll be at Comerica Park that night, for sure!

    Sad for Wang, who can’t be happy, but this may be for the best.

  28. Nick in SF April 23rd, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    re-posted from the previous thread as Trisha has made this error (and been corrected) before:

    Trisha: I grew up in Manhattan riding packed subway cars full of people chanting “Boston sucks” to and from the stadium and spent a good chunk of my childhood weekends and summers in New England. I know about the the rivalry.

  29. m April 23rd, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    Well, of course, Wang doesn’t have enough arm strength. He was barely cleared to pitch when ST started.

    Would like to hear the hits/runs stats, but the strikeouts look good if they’re true.

    Side note, CC said he was having a tough time finishing off hitters.

  30. jay destro April 23rd, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    come on back phil

  31. Al from BK April 23rd, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    Wanger likely to be sat down with “tendinitis” or a “arm fatigue” the Yanks will be as vague as possible. Come on down Phil!

  32. Trevor April 23rd, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    Hughes is on the 40 man and he’s the 6th starter. So it would make sense that they call him up to replace Wang. Not to mention he’s pitching well.
    Besides Hughes there is no other starting pitcher on the 40 man other then Aceves. And I would save him for a long man role. Because I don’t think Tomko is on the 40 man either.

  33. JeffG April 23rd, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    “I don’t know what injury they’ll claim he has, but every indication is that Wang will be on the DL sometime soon.”

    - Daisuke Disease?
    What did he go down with “arm fatigue?” That seems like an easy enough diagnosis to option your pitchers down for a spell.

  34. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! April 23rd, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    Really, this might be the best thing for Wang and the team…

    He’ll get to work on his mechanics and when that’s back his confidence should come back also…

  35. Tex's New Best Friend April 23rd, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    CC takes about 5-6 starts to get in a groove. lets give him that. last year in april he was 1-5 with an era over 10. this is better.

  36. EricS April 23rd, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    Could be worse – we could be Mets fans and saying Johan and 4 days of rain!

  37. Al from BK April 23rd, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    Wang likely be sat down with “tendinitis” or a “arm fatigue” the Yanks will be as vague as possible. Come on down Phil!

  38. Brandon Yes he's a 4th OF ! "I LOVE ME SOME ME !" April 23rd, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    “Brandon,

    Is that some kind of a joke? Rasmus is a top prospect under control for next to cost for years to come.”

    I was kidding … flew Righhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht over everyone. :)

  39. Bill April 23rd, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    Although many NYY fans don’t like him, IPK is on the 40 man and is also pitching well in AAA. I do however think they’ll go to PH.

  40. dave April 23rd, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    If Wang is mysteriously DL’d, I think IK should get the call over Hughes. Let Hughes get 10 starts in a row at AAA. Why the haste with Hughes? Kennedy has been dominant at the AAA level; while Hughes would be rushed once again.

  41. nathan April 23rd, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    Too soon for Hughes ? Why not get IPK up and let Hughes develop. I dont think Wang will miss more than 3 starts… if anything we will get more than 6 innings from 3 starts from IPK..well, i hope..

  42. Rebecca-Optimist Prime...Staying to Write the Story April 23rd, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    I don’t think it’s his arm. I really don’t.

    I think it’s his foot and everything is stemming from his inability to put enough weight on it.

  43. Bronx Jeers April 23rd, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    I’m inclined to think if Hughes gets the call, he’ll perform well knowing it’s just fill-in duty and without all the pressure.

    Imagine he comes out and picks up where he left off in Texas that night.

    What are the chances they bring up Igawa in a showcase start or has that boat left the harbor.

    Actually that boat probably left the harbor a long time ago. Hit an iceberg. Sank quickly. No MayDay – no survivors. Just a man with his sunglasses.

  44. Trevor April 23rd, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    Bring up Ian Kennedy?………….. :lol:

  45. TL1125 April 23rd, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    Pujols is the best player in the game, by a big margin. I think no one is even close to him. I swear.

  46. randy l. April 23rd, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    cb-

    one of the ironies with wang is that he when he’s at his best, he doesn’t throw at maximum velocity because of an intentional shorter stride.

    so last year when he was 94.08 mph on f/x when he was pitching well , this was likely with a shorter stride. with a longer natural stride wang could probably throw 95-96 with little trouble.

    if wang is throwing 91 with a longer stride that means he could actually be off 5-6 mph on his fastball.

    if he’s struggling with velocity, it makes sense he’d tend to his natural longer stride to get some velocity.

    the longer stride does not give him the good sinker.

    so i think the first thing to do is get his arm strength back. when it’s back ,he can comfortably go to a shorter stride and get the sink he needs.

    the whole question with favoring something because of an injury is a concern. all the factors combined have created perfect storm for wang to be really out of sync.

    with some luck, 2-4 weeks down in tampa or scranton should solve the problem.

  47. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    If they continuehaving issues with wang trusting the condition or feel of thehealth of his foot, maybe the next step is to call in The Great Ballentine and hypnotize him.

    For those too young to remember The Great Ballentine, I pity you. It was Carl Ballentine, who played Gruber on “McHale’s Navy”. He was also an amateur magician and hypnotist. Heavy accent of amateur.

  48. westchester dave April 23rd, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    Hope the Yankees check with Geitner about the possible effects of a Wang DL on the Taiwan Stock Exchange. (Maybe that’s why Swisher rang the opening bell in New York)

  49. SJ44 April 23rd, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    Stats are meaningless in extended ST games. He’s facing kids down there.

    That session was about getting him in front of Nardi and examine how he looked.

    At this point, they don’t have to make up an injury to DL him.

    His foot isn’t right and that domino effect has hit the rest of his game.

    Best thing for him is the DL and non-pressurized rehab in Tampa.

  50. dave April 23rd, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    If it weren’t for roster issues — since it’s a temporary assignment, I’d even try Igawa before both IK and PH.

  51. CountryClub April 23rd, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    As Pete said, Hughes next scheduled day to pitch is Tuesday. That’s the day the Yanks will need a starter. It’ll be Phil.

  52. m April 23rd, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    Rebecca,

    WE know it’s not trusting the foot, but I don’t think there’s a medical code for that diagnosis. ;)

    As for IPK. I don’t doubt he’s doing great in AAA, but I’ve seen Hughes already bounce back from his rough April ’08 (Toronto vs. AJ). Not looking forward to seeing how IPK does. If we were 20 games over .500 with a comfortable lead, then yeah, why not. But at this delicate juncture, we need to go with the best option. And that’s Hughes IMO.

  53. JT April 23rd, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    If Wang’s avg fastball was 91 mph then his range was probably 89-93 mph. When he’s in mid season form he’s usually 92.5 avg and 92-95 range

  54. Tex's New Best Friend April 23rd, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    Ian Kennedy? Kei Igawa? Over Hughes?

    what planet did we fall into

  55. saucY April 23rd, 2009 at 4:06 pm

    any word on whether the balls were hit in the air or on the ground?

  56. saucY April 23rd, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    i’m guessing that’s not the same ‘dave’ that used to leave novel-lengthed comments…

  57. Uncle Ellsworth April 23rd, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    Hughes has earned it – I think he’d be more than a little peeved it IPK got the start over him. And there is no telling how long CMW will be out 1 start 2? 3?

  58. GZA April 23rd, 2009 at 4:08 pm

    How far into the season can a team send a player to “extended spring training”? Or is there no limit?

  59. Stuckey April 23rd, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    Hughes pitches into the 8th last night in a AAA game (where strict pitch counts and inning limits rule) in his third start of the year, in what I can’t imagine was great weather.

    Seems obvious to me he was being stretched out as much as possible in preparation for a big league call-up.

  60. dave April 23rd, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    “Ian Kennedy? Kei Igawa? Over Hughes?

    what planet did we fall into”

    How many great starts have any of them had at the big league level? Both IK and KI have been better at AAA than Hughes.

  61. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    saucY
    April 23rd, 2009 at 4:07 pm
    i’m guessing that’s not the same ‘dave’ that used to leave novel-lengthed comments…

    ————————————————————

    same one….there’s a computer print shortage and somebody’s hogging all of the vowels

  62. nathan April 23rd, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    Ian Kennedy? Kei Igawa? Over Hughes?

    what planet did we fall into

    ================

    I think folks genuinely want Hughes to do well for us for a long time… thats precisely why they want his to get more time at AAA… instead of jerking him back n forth between 3A and majors… i think IPK is not seen as a long term Yankee…

  63. Brian NYY April 23rd, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    IPK can get his chance when it’s time.

    Phil Hughes has dominated AAA the entire time he’s been there. Why keep him there? What is he developing? He’s good enough for the big club and if Wang can’t turn it around Phil Hughes can take his spot. In a 5 game series, Wang wouldn’t pitch anyway (CC, AJ, Andy) and in a 7 game series, its questionable if you start Wang in game 4 over Joba. Wang does not do well under pressure.

    I hope he get back to normal bc it solidifies the staff but Phil Hughes is ready, BRING HIM UP!!!

    As for Colby Rasmus, are you kidding? Hughes is not even enough for him. Why don’t we ask for Rasmus and Pujols for Igawa and Wang. Just as ridiculous!

  64. rconn23 April 23rd, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    According to the reports I’ve seen of Hughes’ starts, he’s been mostly fastball and cutter, using his curve and changeup only sparingly.

    However, last night, he used his curve, and it was really really effective, according to Chad Jennings report. That’s a good sign, but still.

    I’m of the mind that I would hate to see Hughes rushed again, even if it’s for a couple of spot starts.

  65. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth
    April 23rd, 2009 at 4:07 pm
    Hughes has earned it – I think he’d be more than a little peeved it IPK got the start over him. And there is no telling how long CMW will be out 1 start 2? 3?

    ————————————————————

    That’s a rough lineup to start the season with. They’re unforgiving. The only good thing is that inept pitching rotation, except for Porcello.

  66. dave April 23rd, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    “Phil Hughes has dominated AAA the entire time he’s been there.”

    False. IK has. Look up the AAA totals for both.

  67. Doreen April 23rd, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    m -

    The medical codes! Ain’t it the truth. Filling out gov’t forms myself and giving myself a heinous headache trying to make my facts fit with their questions. One size fits all form for custom-made situation. :(

    Putting Wang on the DL is the best scenario. Even if he’s not happy to be there, it’s the only way he’s going to get the work he needs to get back. Once the disappointment of being on the DL passes, I’m sure Wang will be fine. I mean how is it better to stay up here, start game after game, not lasting more than 2-3 innings and so creating that endless cycle of needing more work, but work not being good enough to let you stay in a game and get the work (against live batters). Not to mention, it’s best for the team, and I can’t believe Wang couldnt’ be sold on that, at least short term.

    I’ve come to the realization that if the Yankees don’t want to tread water during this time, they really do have to use Phil Hughes. He gives them the best opportunity for quality starts. Kennedy might be an okay second choice, or Aceves, I guess. We’ll see.

  68. Boston Dave April 23rd, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    Pete getting respect from rotoworld.com:

    “Wang also threw 70 out of 91 pitches for strikes, but Peter Abraham of the Journal News believes that the Yankees will place him on the DL anyway. If that occurs, Phil Hughes (3-0 with a 1.86 ERA at Triple-A Scranton) could get the call to start on Tuesday.”

  69. you gotta have faith (right porch giveth and the right porch taketh away) April 23rd, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    thank goodness we have andy instead of hernandez!

    hmmm IPK or Hughes? tough, PH is off to a good start and I wouldnt want to push him, but he is our 6th starter and thats his role.

    a lot of ppl here would rather just throw IPK out there and hope for the best, but aren’t we tired of the babying of joba? so whats the difference with hughes? but you dont want to rush him just to get rocked by the tigers (thats a maybe im not saying he will) and then get sent down again. tricky.

  70. randy l. April 23rd, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    “His foot isn’t right and that domino effect has hit the rest of his game.
    Best thing for him is the DL and non-pressurized rehab in Tampa.”

    domino effect is a good way of putting it. if his foot isn’t strong he’s not going be able to get his normal velocity. and it’s not just his foot. he didn’t use that whole leg normally for a long period.

    if someone wants to understand how the feet work in throwing, put on some skates and try to throw. you can’t push off and you can’t plant after striding. the thorw becomes all arm and that’s gong to be way slower.

    i think his base is the easiest thing for contreras to work on. once that’s done that’ll nip the domino effect of other problems like release point etc.

    sj, do you know what contreras’ relationship is with eiland. was contreras a tampa faction guy ?

  71. Brian NYY April 23rd, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    And IK has done what in the majors?

    He tries to avoid MLB bats instead of pitching his game. Hughes had a no-hitter into the 7th before he got hurt when he first got called up. Hughes also has a postseason victory. There is no doubt Hughes is a Major League pitcher.

    IPK is a 4-A pitcher or glorified long reliever.

  72. dave April 23rd, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    And remember, one Hughes gets called up this year — that’s it. In 2010, he’d have to clear waivers to go back down. One bullet left. He needs to get past AAA and stick.

  73. V April 23rd, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    “Brandon,

    Cody Rasmus is the Cards #1 prospect. He’s untouchable.

    The Cardinals would laugh at a Wang for Rasmus deal.”

    I’m a Cards’ fan, along with being a Yankees’ fan (Cards by birth, Yankees by marriage). NO WAY Colby is traded for Wang at this point. They would have probably actually listened, but probably would have said no at the beginning of 2008. At this point, though, Colby is a Joba level prospect.

    You know Dave Duncan was drooling over Wang’s sinker (Duncan’s favorite pitch, seemingly – he teaches EVERY Cards’ pitcher to throw sinking 2 seamers as a huge part of their game, and he has continued success with mediocre journeymen by doing so).

  74. tampayank April 23rd, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    Kay said the MelkMan has more upside in some areas than Gardner and Flaherty agreed saying the Melkman has taken advantage of his opportunities and that has to open the managers eyes, I know lots of fans think he’s an idiot but I agree w/ Kay:)

  75. Nick in SF April 23rd, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    Wasn’t Igawa the AAA pitcher of the year or something? Or was that just a joke?

  76. Tex's New Best Friend April 23rd, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    “Phil Hughes has dominated AAA the entire time he’s been there.”

    False. IK has. Look up the AAA totals for both.

    difference is when they come up, hughes has shown flashes of being good in the pros, kennedy has not.

  77. Mike April 23rd, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    His Injury will be “Garbage Arm”

  78. Brandon Yes he's a 4th OF ! "I LOVE ME SOME ME !" April 23rd, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    “I was kidding … flew Righhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht over everyone.”

    And still is, STILL RIGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHT OVER EVERYONE :lol:

  79. Doreen April 23rd, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    If they decide to go with IPK, I think it will be a different IPK than we saw last season. It’s a learning curve, and he got quite a lesson last season. Not saying he’ll be great, but he’ll be better than last year. I know, that’s not saying much, but….

    And Igawa is not on the 40-man, correct? So it won’t be simple to bring him up.

  80. Paddy R April 23rd, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    for the love of all things good in this world, can we please let phil hughes spend 2-3 strong months in AAA before we yoke him around every time the big league club has a need? hughes is such a big part of our future, but he needs to be groomed properly. i’m almost positive he has never spent 2 cosecutive months in AAA, or gotten anything close to 10 starts in a row there. let him work a little bit and build confidence by putting up big numbers at AAA for an extended period, and then bring him up in a situation where there isn’t the weight of the world on his shoulders to be good everytime out. give jason johnson wang’s start. aceves. kennedy. even igawa. hughes is too important.

  81. Clay Buchholz Loves Laptops - Latest Blog Entry: My Interview With Bill Gallo April 23rd, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    I’m pumped to see Phil Hughes pitch again in the Bigs!

    Saucy????

  82. randy l. April 23rd, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    jt

    i think wang is more like 94mph average with his sinker when doing everything right.

  83. dave April 23rd, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    “There is no doubt Hughes is a Major League pitcher.”

    That’s what the Yankees thought before last season. But he wasn’t — and that’s why they got AJ and CC this year, while Hughes got sent down.

  84. Matty C April 23rd, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    Phil Hughes come on down

    DL Wang tomorrow bring up another pitcher…. we will need someone for the Sux series because one game always turns into a blowout

  85. Brian NYY April 23rd, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    If we’re talking about options and temporary starts don’t use it on Aceves, IPK, or Hughes. Bring up Igawa. He’d definitely clear waivers on his way back down.

    The organization can’t lose Hughes, IPK, Aceves or any quality to waivers.

  86. Doreen April 23rd, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    Not true – Kennedy, in his first tour of duty, September of ’07, did very well pitching for the Yankees. Which was one reason why they thought they could insert him in the rotation in ’08.

  87. Bob(The Original) April 23rd, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    Stinks for Wang, but both in the short term and in the long run, I think we’re better off with Hughes in the rotation.

  88. C April 23rd, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    This is what Ortiz said about Joba

    “None of that, man — just play the game the way it’s supposed to be, and that’s about it,” Ortiz said, referring to Chamberlain.

    “This is a guy, as good as he is, the next step for him will be to earn respect from everybody in the league. He’s not a bad guy, but when things like that happen, people get the wrong idea.”

    What kind of crap is this? For years everyone on that staff, especially Pedro Martinez, made a habit of throwing at Jeter or any other Yankee that decided to stand a little too close to the plate. Now that they’re finally getting a taste of their own medicine it has to stop? No way.

  89. Zach in Port Jeff April 23rd, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    IPK had initial success in the bigs…
    then he started trying to pitch too fine and got himself into trouble.

  90. dave April 23rd, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    “difference is when they come up, hughes has shown flashes of being good in the pros, kennedy has not.”

    I think you forgot IK’s first starts. Those starts are what gave him a rotation spot the next year. He originally showed glimpses too.

  91. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    dave
    April 23rd, 2009 at 4:17 pm
    And remember, one Hughes gets called up this year—that’s it. In 2010, he’d have to clear waivers to go back down. One bullet left. He needs to get past AAA and stick.

    ————————————————————

    They can call him up and send him down 30 times this year and it’s still only one option.

  92. Tom in N.J. April 23rd, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    The waiver rules don’t aply to Hughes, Kennedy or Aceves.

    They’re all on the 40 man and can be called up or down without having to pass through waivers.

  93. Nick in SF April 23rd, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    Kennedy has not shown flashes of being good in the pros? Did 2007 not happen?

  94. Brandon Yes he's a 4th OF ! "I LOVE ME SOME ME !" April 23rd, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    Rick Ankiel looks like a 50 yr. old 70′s pornstar w/ that stache’

  95. Doreen April 23rd, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    I’m so glad I’m not the only one who remembers Kennedy pitching well! :)

  96. Brian NYY April 23rd, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    dave

    I’m glad that a 2 month period has you giving up on Hughes.

    Hughes was hurt last year in April. The reason they got CC and AJ? Because they couldn’t afford to miss the playoffs again. Hughes dominated Toronto last year when he finally got healthy and was called up.
    If you watch Hughes pitch, you see he has what it takes. You can’t help injuries only try to prevent them. Plus, Hughes is 23 yrs old. Not many pitchers hang around that young.

  97. Zach in Port Jeff April 23rd, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    Ortiz should start worrying about his declining performance instead of trying to be the moral “Judge Judy” of MLB.

    Seriously, somebody get Big Papi another milkshake!
    Where is Yuri Sucart when you need him???

    “Hey Yuri, Big Papi needs a milkshake…and a ride home…AHORA!”

  98. Nick in SF April 23rd, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    ha, everyone pounced on the same point about IPK.

    And this dave cannot be the same as that dave. Cannot.

  99. Billy April 23rd, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    “If we’re talking about options and temporary starts don’t use it on Aceves, IPK, or Hughes. Bring up Igawa. He’d definitely clear waivers on his way back down.

    The organization can’t lose Hughes, IPK, Aceves or any quality to waivers”

    They already used the option in sending the three pitchers you mentioned to the minors from ST.

  100. saucY April 23rd, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    “Clay Buchholz Loves Laptops – Latest Blog Entry: My Interview With Bill Gallo
    April 23rd, 2009 at 4:20 pm
    I’m pumped to see Phil Hughes pitch again in the Bigs!

    Saucy????

    –=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

    sure, me too :)

  101. Uncle Ellsworth April 23rd, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    GB7
    “That’s a rough lineup to start the season with. They’re unforgiving. The only good thing is that inept pitching rotation, except for Porcello.”

    someone has to pitch against them.
    All the more reason to pitch Hughes as Parcells would say time to take the hugggies off.

    I believe if not for his injuries Hughes would be ensconced in the rotation.

  102. tampayank April 23rd, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    “Hey Yuri, Big Papi needs a milkshake…and a ride home…AHORA!”

    ha ha I can’t wait till this weekend’s series

  103. SJ44 April 23rd, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    Nardi and Eiland get along well.

    Nardi, Eiland and Scott Aldred are all cut from the same cloth. They all get along well and have similar pitching philosophies.

  104. Brian NYY April 23rd, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    I like IPK’s stuff but in the AL East, he’ll get eaten alive. He has shown that when he gets hit, he loses confidence.

    IPK is destined to pitch in the NL, the Yanks just need equivalent value for him.

  105. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! April 23rd, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    “The waiver rules don’t aply to Hughes, Kennedy or Aceves. They’re all on the 40 man and can be called up or down without having to pass through waivers.”

    These waivers rules are enough to give me a migraine. It’s very hard to keep up with them.

  106. trisha - click to see my Opening Day photos April 23rd, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    Nick – back to the rivalry. Not good enough kemosabe. No more than I could I begin to know what it feels like to grow up in NY and be a Yankee fan “interacting” with a Mets fan can you know what it’s like to grow up in RI and be around “those folks” every day of your life and live the rivalry the way I did and do, and appreciate the intensity of the rivalry as witnessed by those of us who have had it that upclose and personal. Seriously.

    I don’t know how long you’ve been in SF, but it has to take away some of the feeling of intensity perhaps even that a NYer Yankee fan has for the Mets.

    Anyway, good that you enjoy that series. It’s nothing but stressful for me and even moreso when the Yankees tank and I get to be regaled by the majority of the populace living in RI, those folks not being Yankee fans.

    I could do without the series, as could my nerves, bloodpressure, and stress level!

    On the other hand, I enjoy watching Oakland play the Angels!

    :)

  107. dave April 23rd, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    “They can call him up and send him down 30 times this year and it’s still only one option.”

    I know. I said 2010.

  108. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! April 23rd, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    This may be a stupid question, but who exactly is Nardi Contreras? I’ve never head of him. Is he some pitching guru?

  109. Nick in SF April 23rd, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    SJ44: methinks you’re going to have to work a little harder than that to convince randy that Eiland has *any* pitching philosophy.

  110. Boston Dave April 23rd, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    “IPK can get his chance when it’s time.

    Phil Hughes has dominated AAA the entire time he’s been there. Why keep him there? What is he developing?”

    ———

    IPK has better numbers in AAA than Hughes.

    Not many are suggesting Hughes isn’t the best pitcher the Yankees have in AAA, but that doesn’t mean he’s the best guy to call up for a spot start or two.

    Don’t be surprised if it’s not Hughes. It could be, but it may also make sense to give him more time to work on his secondary pitches in AAA before yanking him back and forth.

  111. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    Doreen
    April 23rd, 2009 at 4:26 pm
    I’m so glad I’m not the only one who remembers Kennedy pitching well!

    ————————————————————

    The really nice debut against Tampa for the winn…the even better start against KC.

    Or the best was his third start.

    The 7 plus innings in Toronto, allowing 1 hit? The only one that hurt him was Frank Thomas.

  112. m April 23rd, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    Hughes had a good September and winter. He did what he had to which was build innings and get stronger. He’s passed every test they’ve given him.

    If Hughes gives us a better chance to win at the major league level, then he should get the call. IPK and Igawa have both blown away AAA competition, but have blown chunks at the major league level. At least Hughes showed his original form in the majors in late ’08.

  113. trisha - click to see my Opening Day photos April 23rd, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    (for wsr, from the previous thread)

    wsr, I will be so excited and so grateful if you get to do that and will love to hear any other details of the trip. I don’t really like long flights since I’m pretty claustrophobic, so I will also appreciate hearing exactly how long you are in the air.

    Have an awesome time and be careful.

    :)

  114. dave April 23rd, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    “I’m glad that a 2 month period has you giving up on Hughes.”

    Huh? I just want him to get his starts in AAA. They’ve made the “too soon” mistake twice with him. One more time and he has to stay on the 25 or they risk losing him. And let’s face it, no one is calling Hughes “Little Rocket” any longer. He was overhyped by everyone. Scouts and hitters on the big league level have downgraded their expectations from potential ace to middle-of-the-rotation guy.

  115. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth
    April 23rd, 2009 at 4:29 pm
    GB7
    “That’s a rough lineup to start the season with. They’re unforgiving. The only good thing is that inept pitching rotation, except for Porcello.”

    someone has to pitch against them.
    All the more reason to pitch Hughes as Parcells would say time to take the hugggies off.

    I believe if not for his injuries Hughes would be ensconced in the rotation.

    ————————————————————

    I’d prefer that they juggled the rotation before having Detroit take first crack at him this year. Not sure how, though, other than bringing up Aceves and let him trick them.

  116. MMF April 23rd, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    how about foot injury?

  117. S.o.S. April 23rd, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    Nick our t shirt ideas might go down in flames. By the end of all this. How many of these famous minor league pitchers will we end up with(JOBA,HUGHES,KENNEDY)in a couple years?

    Generation Trey(hate it!)
    Dynamic Duo
    The One

    Speaking of pitchers. I see Verlander got smoked again yesterday. What the hell happened to that guy? Could he be one that was on that special b-12 as well?

  118. Zach in Port Jeff April 23rd, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    Is this the famous “Dave” from during the offseason?

    If it is, I was expecting to read the equivalent of War and Peace…or better yet, some Dostoevsky novel.

  119. Nick in SF April 23rd, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    Ok, Trisha, so you’re also telling Doreen and Jennifer and S.A. and Betsy and Laura et al that they don’t understand the rivalry because they live in the New York area and not close to Boston? I would say that they and I understand it quite well, just not from the same perspective that you have.

    I agree that I have not had *your* experiences as a Yankee fan in Rhode Island. But when the other commenters talked about how stressful the Red Sox games are from them, I don’t think they were saying that because they’re surrounded by Sox fans. I could be wrong. But it was them I was responding to, not just you.

    Maybe instead of suggesting that I don’t ‘get it’ because of “the comfort of the opposite coast”, consider that I just enjoy the matchups with top rivals more and the whole question is more of attitude than geography.

    m, what do you think? Do you not get it because you’re so far away?

  120. Doreen April 23rd, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    GB7 -

    Kennedy was so good that September that my husband thought that of the three (PH, IPK and JC) that IPK might surprise and be the best. So much for that, though. :)

    He was so poised and confident, I really couldn’t understand waht went on last spring. Although, there is probably a huge difference pitching during a September call-up (even if it was a pennant race) and being told you’re now depended upon as our #5 starter. Maybe.

    I personally think last April was some kind of weird anti-Yankees voodoo going on! :lol:

  121. dave April 23rd, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    I’ve seen 12 daves on this board — so I don’t know if I should be insulted or not.

  122. S.o.S. April 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    mel,
    I watched the Nuggets last night. Wow. I didnt know they were that good on defense this year. I think we need to add them to the teams that can possibly beat the Lakers. Spurs will have to face them in the second round if they advance. Not looking so good this year.

  123. Zach in Port Jeff April 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    Wrong Dave. Please dont take offense…

    War and Peace and anything by Dostoevsky are top notch in my book anyways.

  124. dave April 23rd, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Initially, IK was praised for being the best “pitcher” of the three — meaning he had 4 pitches that he could throw for strikes. His attitude got him into has much trouble as his pitching. He had never failed — and he didn’t handle it well.

  125. no.27 April 23rd, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    I don’t think the Ortiz quote is a big deal. From what he said, I’m sure the reporter asked him some bs question like do you think Joba will throw at anyone’s head. Aside from the rivalry, I don’t think Ortiz is a bad guy. If Schilling, Beckett, or Paplebon said it, it would piss me off.

  126. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! April 23rd, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    “Ok, Trisha, so you’re also telling Doreen and Jennifer and S.A. and Betsy and *Laura* et al that they don’t understand the rivalry because they live in the New York area and not close to Boston? I would say that they and I understand it quite well, just not from the same perspective that you have.”

    I don’t live in the New York area anymore, Nick – much to my great disappointment. I’m in Chicago. However, I understand the rivalry as much as anyone, regardless of where they live. The fact that I live 700 miles away doesn’t make me hate BOS any less. In fact, I think it intensifies my hatred because I’m not there to experience it first hand.

  127. Nick in SF April 23rd, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    S.o.S.: I still think either Generation Just Us Two or The Last Man Standing will make it. Trey? No.

  128. saucY April 23rd, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    “I’ve seen 12 daves on this board—so I don’t know if I should be insulted or not.”

    *!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*

    dave, go back to pretty much any thread from january. scroll down until you see the first comment that fills your screen. that’s the dave we’re talking about.

    i used to skip over them, so i’m not sure either if you should be insulted or not ;)

  129. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    Doreen
    April 23rd, 2009 at 4:42 pm
    GB7 –
    Kennedy was so good that September that my husband thought that of the three (PH, IPK and JC) that IPK might surprise and be the best. So much for that, though.

    He was so poised and confident, I really couldn’t understand waht went on last spring. Although, there is probably a huge difference pitching during a September call-up (even if it was a pennant race) and being told you’re now depended upon as our #5 starter. Maybe.

    I personally think last April was some kind of weird anti-Yankees voodoo going on!

    ————————————————————

    Not sure what happened with Kennedy. Did he lose his spark after getting married in October? Was it an injury carryover? Haven’t a clue. My own conspiracy theory is that he read too many of his own clippings and thought he had the answers. Of course, the opposite could be true, though, and, in reading his clippings, he read where some journalistic experts decided that he didn’t really have “The Right Stuff”. Perhaps it’s somewhere in the middle.

  130. S.o.S. April 23rd, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    Tony Gonzales traded to the Falcons for a second rounder in 010. Good or bad for Atlanta?

  131. Brian NYY April 23rd, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    “IPK has better numbers in AAA than Hughes.

    Not many are suggesting Hughes isn’t the best pitcher the Yankees have in AAA”

    Your second point is what I’m suggesting. As pointed out (and researched), Hughes can come up and down as many times as they want in 2009. However, they can can keep him in AAA all year and use his option in 2010 instead.

    Personally, I believe Hughes is too good for AAA and should be in the majors. Wang will need at least 3 starts on his DL stint. The “too soon” argument can only be backed because he was injured. His healthy performances have been major league worthy. Maybe he’s not ‘baby rocket’ but he is still a projected front-end pitcher. His downgraded status is due to injury concerns.

    Either way, the problem is a good one: CC, AJ, and Andy hold the rotation together while Joba stretches his innings and Wang can rehab. How many AAA teams have the 5 starters like Scranton does?

    They need to make a decision, is Hughes in AAA for good this year?
    Yes, bring up Igawa or Johnson for Wang’s 3 starts
    No, bring up Hughes.

  132. Doreen April 23rd, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    dave -

    You know, you see CC struggling – saying he’s being too fine, trying to make too perfect of a pitch. Sounds like what IPK got stuck in last year. BUT, the difference is CC has a major league track record and he knows he’ll come around. I think IPK wasn’t sure what was going on with himself, had nothing to fall back on, and it ate at his confidence. Then, trying to project a positive attitude, he came off as obnoxious. I never held that against him – he’s young, inexperienced and simply didn’t handle the situation well. I would hope he’s learned a lot of things from last April.

  133. Nick in SF April 23rd, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    Laura: so moving away from the NY area didn’t make you forget about the Yankee-Sox rivalry?

  134. no.27 April 23rd, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    Ian Kennedy was never considered a better prospect than Phil Hughes.

  135. Uncle Ellsworth April 23rd, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    As if Dr. Dave is the only one here that makes
    thesis length posts.
    Many do – Dave was the only one singled out.

  136. m April 23rd, 2009 at 4:54 pm

    Nick,

    I see nothing, hear nothing, say nothing.

  137. Zach in Port Jeff April 23rd, 2009 at 4:54 pm

    I find that I get more ryled up about “the rivalry” during the times when I’m not in New York.

    I once had a Red Sox fan reach over the bar while I was bartending in Australia, snatch my hat off my head, and take off down the street with me chasing him.

    This was after the ALCS in 2004, so I was not in the happiest of moods.

    It was a funny sight though.

  138. Doreen April 23rd, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    Uncle E -

    I know I’m guilty of some long-ish posts. Usually in the a.m. – my first post of the day – over coffee. I am a morning person. :)

  139. Nick in SF April 23rd, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    Thesis does not equal Russian novel.

    And Russian novel does not equal library of Russian Novels.

    And library of Russian novels does not equal Official State Library of Russia full of Russian novels.

  140. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! April 23rd, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    “Laura: so moving away from the NY area didn’t make you forget about the Yankee-Sox rivalry?”

    LOL! No, it did not.

  141. MaineYankee April 23rd, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    Trisha

    I think the collapse of 04 has created more angst in regards to the RS than anything.

    I rember 78 which was real enjoyable for me here. The pain the RS fans felt was beyond description.

    The 5 game sweep in Fenway was also nice.

    To watch the RS fans faces when the Yankees beat them is priceless. Pure pain. :lol:

  142. wsr April 23rd, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    Trisha,

    I will, and am very excited for it.

    Also, i share your pain with these series, i grew up 1 exit away from RI in CT, then moved to Tampa, so now i have to deal with all the bandwagon Tampa fans (the worst fairweather fans i’ve ever seen, from the lightning, bucs, rays, usf bulls, etc.) the rivalries are very different when you’re living in the evil half.

  143. Uncle Ellsworth April 23rd, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    Doreen that’s fine with me.
    I just don’t like the fact that everyone here pretends Dave is the only offender.

  144. Dan April 23rd, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    He was considered a better prospect than Joba.

  145. Uncle Ellsworth April 23rd, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    oh what’s the use

  146. saucY April 23rd, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    “As if Dr. Dave is the only one here that makes
    thesis length posts.
    Many do – Dave was the only one singled out.”

    i don’t know if i’ve seen anything like that though. they just kept coming like a factory. you’d think he had a team of people working at typing posts out for him…

    i don’t think they were broken into paragraphs all that much either.

    no offense to that dave, but i just didn’t have the time or patience to go through them. (i’ll admit, i’m a slow reader)

  147. S.o.S. April 23rd, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    Many do – Dave was the only one singled out.

    ———————

    Uncle Elseworth- Not sure if you mean singled out by the posters. But I recall reading Peter post here telling Dave to ease up on the essays or he can no longer post. I dont Pete has said that to anyone else. From that point on it went down to less than a 1000 words per post.

  148. dave April 23rd, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    Brian,

    I don’t think he’s too good for AAA (3.66 in 70+ innings)– and he wasn’t downgraded due to injury. He was downgraded because no one witnessed the mph on the fastball that had been reported — from the start — not before ribs, glasses or hamstring. The problem is that the second he has 2 good starts in a row, everyone screams “He’s ready!!”. Let him dominate for a while, instead of jumping the gun, then sending him down “to work on things” again. Also, he wouldn’t be working on a new cutter, if his current pitches were enough. He’s making adjustments because big league hitters didn’t care about his 4 seam fastball like AA hitters did.

  149. MaineYankee April 23rd, 2009 at 5:01 pm

    Laura

    You sound like a good Yankee fan to me. (hate RS) :lol:

  150. wsr April 23rd, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    Nick,

    I think that you’re right in saying that the rivalry isn’t any less anywhere else, it’s just different. being a known yankee fan in redsox/rays land means that all you hear after a loss is constant crap, and after a win, all you hear is how we buy all our players. in NY you get more people who can at least share your feelings, and in other markets, you’ll find more indifference.

    That doesn’t mean that people don’t get the rivalry, it’s just different for different people

  151. Zach in Port Jeff April 23rd, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    Nick, the State Library in Moscow only has enough physical space for Dostoevsky… maybe a little closet space for Tolstoy.

  152. Patrick April 23rd, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    I don’t care about the results, I only care about what Nardi has to say. It’s not a good sign if he doesn’t like what he’s seeing. They have to DL Wang asap and keep him down there to work on things with Nardi.

    Nardi will be able to contribute a lot of time to helping Wang correct his mechanics. Pitching against no meaningless competition is the way to go for Wang so he can grow comfortable with his foot again and have more confidence. It will also let him build arm strength.

    It is a real bummer to realize that Wang will probably be gone for awhile but at the same time I’m pumped to see Hughes. I don’t know if calling Hughes up is the right move but I’d really love to see him pitch again.

  153. dave April 23rd, 2009 at 5:04 pm

    I see a dave that posted something about Melancon — with analogies to costco and cereal. That’s not me. And the only lengthy book I recommend that’s been written by a Russian author is Atlas Shrugged.

  154. S.o.S. April 23rd, 2009 at 5:04 pm

    I know I’m guilty of some long-ish posts.

    ———–

    The happy faces make people forget how long they are Doreen. It makes me feel like im reading a dr.Suess book. And who doesnt like reading a whole entire book in 10 minutes.

  155. Nick in SF April 23rd, 2009 at 5:04 pm

    Several of you make good points that there are lots of different perspectives one can bring to the rivalry, how one feels about it, and what it’s like to be a Yankee fan in general. That was kind of what my guest post was about back in February: my perspective as a New York native now living in the Bay Area.

    Different persectives bring different experiences and different ways to feel about things. The Yanks/Sox games would obviously have a different feel to someone living in Sox territory and some people with that experience might feel stressed out by the games in a way that someone in New York or Chicago or San Francisco or some island waaaay out in the Pacific wouldn’t. I imagine that some in New England would welcome the games for other reasons.

    It’s just as much a matter of personal preference as anything else. There’s no right or wrong way to feel about it and I didn’t mean to suggest that people are wrong to feel stressed out about these games. I just don’t feel that way and I don’t think it’s because I live in California.

  156. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! April 23rd, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    “You sound like a good Yankee fan to me. (hate RS)”

    I’ve got my priorities straight. I’ll hate them regardless of what city I live in.

  157. MaineYankee April 23rd, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    I went to a game at the Stadium in 07 and it was nice to feel like you wasn’t in enemy territory. :lol:

  158. saucY April 23rd, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    “The happy faces make people forget how long they are Doreen.”

    QFT

    that and the paragraphization… (is that a word?)

  159. CB April 23rd, 2009 at 5:07 pm

    There were so many extensive conversations in the off season about Andy Pettite.

    Lots of people were of the mind that Andy was done and who cares if they sign him. He’s asking for too much money let him take a walk.

    Andy’s probably been their best pitcher so far this year.

    Similarly many people thought the team was being the spend foolish yankees once again when they signed a second starter after signing CC.

    Without Andy and AJ this team would be in big trouble once again with Wang being out for who knows how long.

    They are very fortunate right now they invested in two starters and brought Andy back.

  160. S.A.--Let's get ready to rumble! April 23rd, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    So we are talking about the Red Sox/Yankees rivalry? Hate the RS. ALways have, always will. But, not really stressed about these upcoming games. More..excited/amped for this series.

    I guess if this was October, then my BP would be up more. :)

  161. Bronx Jeers April 23rd, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    Rangers being up 3-1 over the Caps has another NY-Boston showdown waiting in the wings although it’s not even close to the Yanks-Sox.

    As a kid I used to get pounded on by Mets fans fairly regularly. It got so bad that I rooted for the Sox in 86′. I hated the Mets so bad.

    HBO’s “The Curse Of The Bambino” is just the greatest documentary on the rivalry. The Dennis Leary bit is classic.

    “If you were to tell my father that one day Wade Boggs would be riding around Yankee Stadium, on a horse, celebrating the Yankees winning a world series, he would be rolling in his grave”

  162. S.o.S. April 23rd, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    I once had a Red Sox fan reach over the bar while I was bartending in Australia, snatch my hat off my head, and take off down the street with me chasing him.

    ———————-
    I dont know why this song popped in my head reading this.
    BAD BOYS,BAD BOYS,WHATCHA GONNA DO, WHATCHA GONNA DO WHEN THE COME FOR YOU.

    Zack,
    Maybe he was a closet Yankee fan and wanted to finally know how it felt to be wearing the best gear in sports. Was he wearing a wife beater shirt and had missing front teeth? Did you end up catching him?

  163. Uncle Ellsworth April 23rd, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    BTW I did not like Dave’s Finnegan’s Wake like ramblings either.

  164. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! April 23rd, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    “It’s just as much a matter of personal preference as anything else. There’s no right or wrong way to feel about it and I didn’t mean to suggest that people are wrong to feel stressed out about these games. I just don’t feel that way and I don’t think it’s because I live in California.”

    These games don’t stress me out because it’s way too early in the season to get all bent out of shape over them. The games in July, August and September have me on pins and needles. Don’t get me wrong – I want to win every single game against BOS (and every other team for that matter). That being said, if we were to get swept this weekend, it wouldn’t destroy my universe. I’d be pissed and disappointed, but at the same time, I know that we’ll live to fight another day.

  165. Pat M April 23rd, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    Remember folks, that Ian and Joba just flew through the system….They went from Hawaii in October 06, to Yankee Stadium by August of 07…Hughes also whizzed through the Yankee System and just dominated at every spot….A case of too much too soon….Kennedy was considered the more polished of the three….It’s my hope that when Phil does come up that it’s for good….Being the Wang issue is not a physical concern but rather a mechanical problem, whoever they decide will be a spot starter and can then be moved into the long reliever role….Think Igawa or Aceves….Tomko is on the outside looking in but who knows

  166. m April 23rd, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    This is so confusing. Can only med student dave post as “dave”, please?

  167. CB April 23rd, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    Pat M.,

    As always your scouting eye has been on the mark this amateur ball season.

    From ESPN:

    “There’s a battle at the top of the draft for the right to be the first prep pitcher selected, and Capistrano Valley (Mission Viejo, Calif.) High School left-hander Tyler Matzek is pitching like he wants that honor in the worst way.”

  168. dave April 23rd, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    “Hughes also whizzed through the Yankee System and just dominated at every spot.”

    Whizzed through AA, but got jumped to the bigs after a cup of coffee at AAA. That move set him back.

  169. Nick in SF April 23rd, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    “Hughes also whizzed through the Yankee System”

    Is that anything like how Manny whizzed inside the monstah?

  170. S.o.S. April 23rd, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    This is so confusing. Can only med student dave post as “dave”, please?

    ——————–

    Yesterday it was Brandon.(no extras next to his name)
    Today Dave.(no book written on this site)
    What will it be tomorrow? bobcat(without the riddles)

  171. MaineYankee April 23rd, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    Nick

    Not saying you are any more or less a fan living in SF but you are right it is hard to compare to being in enemy territory.

    I was at a game in Oakland in 07, the one Mo lost with the Hr in the bottom of the ninth. The A’s fans were as bad. You would think they had just won the WS.

  172. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2009 at 5:17 pm

    S.o.S.
    April 23rd, 2009 at 4:59 pm
    Many do – Dave was the only one singled out.
    ——————————-

    Uncle Elseworth- Not sure if you mean singled out by the posters. But ***I recall reading Peter post here*** telling Dave to ease up on the essays or ***he can no longer post*** . I dont Pete has said that to anyone else. From that point on it went down to less than a 1000 words per post.

    ————————————————————

    Baahhh!! I got one of those, too, though, I think it was for a different reason.

  173. S.o.S. April 23rd, 2009 at 5:17 pm

    Nick,
    I read that the Edwards talks are over with the Giants. Who will they go after next? Maybe an Arizona reciever? Maybe Cincy?

  174. Uncle Ellsworth April 23rd, 2009 at 5:17 pm

    SCUTAROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

  175. NY5 April 23rd, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    SJ44–

    What do you think.. Hughes or Kennedy?

  176. Nick in SF April 23rd, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    MaineYankee: definitely a different experience, but I take (very mild) offense to the notion that I don’t ‘get’ the rivalry because I’m in SF when I grew up riding the D train (and sometimes the 4 train) out to the stadium to see the Yanks and Sox play. Different experiences, different perspectives, none of which mandate how one should feel about these upcoming games.

  177. Pat M April 23rd, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    There maybe many Nick’s that may post here, but there’s only one Nick in SF……..MaineYankee, I was at that game also,,,the Scutero walkoff…

  178. S.o.S. April 23rd, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    Baahhh!! I got one of those, too, though, I think it was for a different reason.

    ————————

    GB7,
    Let me take a wild guess. Its one of these 2 things.
    1. calling a troll and idiot.
    2. your occasional miss spellings.
    It must be #1. Because i would have gotten the same memo if it was 2.

    Did you feel a little embarrassed when he did it to you?

  179. MaineYankee April 23rd, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    Bronx

    The real rivalry in hockey is Montreal and Boston. Those fans were way over the top the last 2 games. By the end of the game more like a morgue. :lol:

    In 86 I was a big Mets fan. Didn’t want to listen RS fans. :lol:

  180. MaineYankee April 23rd, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    Pat M

    Yes. We were right by the LF foul pole. What a terrible sound.

  181. Tom in N.J. April 23rd, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    I think I got the same warning GB, or perhaps you were warned but I too was “guilty”.

    Did it have to do with a certain YES person?

  182. S.o.S. April 23rd, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    I have never been to New York. Let alone a Yankee game at the stadium. But I have stayed at a Holliday Inn. Does that put me in the “get the rivalry” crowd?

    Speaking of commercials. Have you guys seen the Heinakin(miss spelled it)commercial where the ladies are in a closet screaming and then the stop and here the guys screaming accross the way in another closet because of the beer filled room? One of the funniest commercials ever.

  183. RER - 98 April 23rd, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    Nardi Contreras is based in Tampa but at any given day he’s subject to be at Charleston, Trenton, or Scranton/Wilkes-Barre for his expertise when called on.
    He logs a lot of miles up and down the east coast.

  184. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    S.o.S.
    April 23rd, 2009 at 5:21 pm
    Baahhh!! I got one of those, too, though, I think it was for a different reason.
    ————————————
    GB7,
    Let me take a wild guess. Its one of these 2 things.
    1. calling a troll and idiot.
    2. your occasional miss spellings.
    It must be #1. Because i would have gotten the same memo if it was 2.

    Did you feel a little embarrassed when he did it to you?

    ————————————————————

    Nah…I don’t think that he’d be upset about spelling or sentence structure. I’m sure that he doesn’t mind the trolls are comments that they ellicate. They’re worth 2 cents a piece in advertising money, after all. Of course there was one other comment that ruffled his feathers, which became the basis for those well-known rules.

  185. Doreen April 23rd, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    “I have never been to New York. Let alone a Yankee game at the stadium. But I have stayed at a Holliday Inn. Does that put me in the “get the rivalry” crowd?”

    S.o.S. -

    Best post of the day!

  186. CaptainsCorner April 23rd, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    I think it is definitely Hughes getting the call..They don’t really have anyone else. I just wish it was a different team he would be facing like the Royals and not the Tigers. The Tigers will probably clobber him. He pitched great last night but he still has to work on his secondary pitches. The pitching coach said his curveball was great but some starts it is there and some it isn’t also his changeup isn’t that good yet. A fastball isn’t gonna get it done especially against the Tigers. We saw that last year. It would be nice if they had a journeyman to bring up so Hughes gets the time that he needs. This is the quotes from his start incase it wasn’t posted here.

    http://community.thetimes-trib.....notes.aspx

  187. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    Tom in N.J.
    April 23rd, 2009 at 5:26 pm
    I think I got the same warning GB, or perhaps you were warned but I too was “guilty”.

    Did it have to do with a certain YES person?

    LMaO. Yeah, that “Bob Lorenz” person upset him. Or, maybe it was my preference for hearing Nancy Newman doing interviews over other “dazzlers”.

  188. Zach in Port Jeff April 23rd, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    “Zack,
    Maybe he was a closet Yankee fan and wanted to finally know how it felt to be wearing the best gear in sports. Was he wearing a wife beater shirt and had missing front teeth? Did you end up catching him?”
    ===============
    S.o.S., he wasn’t wearing a wife beater shirt, but he did have missing teeth and kept asking everyone in the bar where all the “high school girls hang out”…and yes, I did catch him and “politely” mentioned that he should be happy to be in a bar after 1am, as opposed to his hometown, where they all shut down waaaaaaaaaay too early.

  189. S.o.S. April 23rd, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    S.o.S. –
    Best post of the day!

    ———————-

    (SHORTEST POST EVER BY DOREEN. COULD HAVE LOOKED BETTER WITH A SMILEY FACE AFTER IT.)
    Thanks Doreen. Iv never won this award here. Id like to thank all the little people that were bored enough to read my continuous failed efforts to be funny. I should retire now and never post again. You know what. I will. Thanks guys, its been a pleasure. Good luck. Im out.

  190. Pat M April 23rd, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    CB,,,Tyler is something to behold…..As of yet he has not committed to any Colleges….He has all the tools plus his head is right….

  191. Elegance April 23rd, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    Bring up Brackman. He’s on the 40 man. Make him earn his keep.

  192. Drew April 23rd, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    elegance are you retarded?

  193. PittsburghYankeeFan April 23rd, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    Zach

    Two awesome things I heard from you today:

    (1) You were a bartender in Australia (one of the neatest places to be on earth, despite the Red Sox fan)–where?

    (2) You are right on target with Yuri Suchart and Big Papi–where was George Mitchell on that one?

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