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More on Wang’s day

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Apr 23, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

OK, finally have the definite numbers on Wang:

7 innings
9 hits
5 runs
4 earned
0 walks
11 strikeouts
91 pitches / 70 strikes

“Good day,” Wang said. “Sinker down more, but sometimes got higher and the ball didn’t sink.”

Nardi Contreras was behind the backstop watching Wang.

“He doesn’t have the arm strength he had last year,” Contreras said. “But he hasn’t pitched in eight months prior to this spring training. What I saw today, he had the best slider I’ve seen since I’ve known Chien-Ming. The slider has improved and the changeup is very good. His offspeed pitches are coming in really well.”

Don’t focus on the hits and runs. On those fields, the ground is baked and the fielders are 18-year-olds. Grounders are going to get through. What’s important is that he got to 91 pitches and built some arm strength.

Wang is scheduled to rejoin the team tomorrow in Boston. My educated guess is that he’s going to go on the DL with a “tired arm” or something like that and we’ll see Phil Hughes in Detroit.

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352 Responses to “More on Wang’s day”

  1. Since54 April 23rd, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    The question and concern is how did Wang get thru spring training with inadequate arm strength? If it’s just that he didn’t get enough work after rehab, that’s understandable. But it now looks like he should have been left in extended spring training.

  2. Jeter in LF April 23rd, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    It sounds like Wang is still in denial.

  3. Joe from Long Island April 23rd, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    It sounds like Wang needs to be disabled. I know this is hindsight, but how did he lose so much arm strength in the first place? I realize he missed the second half of last season, but the flip side of that is that he had a lot of time to build/keep arm strength up. Can randy I or someone with more baseball knowledge add some thought?

    I’m a fan of Hughes’, but I’m wondering if he’s ready for prime time. Again, Contreras and Eiland, Joe G, Scott Aldred have a much better handle on this than I do. But my vote would be not to do anything that might backfire on Phil. Alfredo Aceves didn’t look so bad last season.

  4. Chris S. April 23rd, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    If they call anyone up it should be Jason Johnson or Igawa. Those two are your fill in spot starters. Id rather they leave Hughes in AAA to build his innings and develop.

  5. ZMAN7777 April 23rd, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    Looking forward to seeing Hughes in Detroit. The hard truth is that you need to have a fighting chance to win each game. Wang hasn’t kept the Yankees in the game for more than one inning and has thus killed the bullpen.

    I hope he rights himself, but the fact is he’s throwing batting practice right now.

  6. Paddy R April 23rd, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    “don’t focus on the hits and runs.” ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh not so sure. minor leaguers fielding, but minor leaguers higging too. they have to cancel themselves out to a certain extent, and that’s a pretty questionable perfromance regardless. at least questionable enough for wang to be making his next start in detroit. he hasn’t been bad, he’s been horrendous. it’s not just about potentially losing the game, it’s about burning the bullpen yet again, something our other starters haven’t been helping us with either. starting him on tuesday would be borderline reckless. 15 day DL him, give him 3 starts in high A, and if he starts to look like himself and produce results, he’s back. if not, they evaluate other options. easy enough.

  7. Jason April 23rd, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    Doesn’t matter who they bring up… Detroit’s lineup is going to pound any pitcher.

    Hope CC and Joba are up to the task too.

  8. westchester dave April 23rd, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    Enough with Jason Johnson and Igawa. Who would we bump from the 40 man roster to bring them on? The three viable candidates are Hughes, IPK and Aceves. You can make a case for any of the three, but I think it is time to give Phil an opportunityl

  9. dave April 23rd, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    This seems like one of those phantom physical issues the Yankees come up with to take a time-out on a player when they’re not performing. I think they did that with Hughes last year. I think you can go over any athlete with a fine tooth comb and find something physically wrong — but I think this is a mental health break. I don’t think Hughes stunk last year because he needed glasses. And I don’t think no one would notice CMW’s lack of arm strength in ST. Arm strength is exactly what they focus on in ST, but suddenly he doesn’t have enough? Doesn’t make sense to me.

  10. ZMAN7777 April 23rd, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    If Hughes pitches well, he will stick. You can bet on that.

  11. Giuseppe Franco April 23rd, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    If they call anyone up it should be Jason Johnson or Igawa. Those two are your fill in spot starters. Id rather they leave Hughes in AAA to build his innings and develop.

    ————

    They aren’t going to call up someone who is not on the 40-man roster.

    It will probably be Hughes – but there’s an outside chance it will be someone like Aceves or Kennedy.

  12. Giuseppe Franco April 23rd, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    If Hughes pitches well, he will stick. You can bet on that.

    ————

    Not exactly.

    When Wang figures things out, he’ll be in the rotation and Hughes will be back in Scranton.

  13. Lori April 23rd, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    “don’t focus on the hits and runs.” ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh not so sure. minor leaguers fielding, but minor leaguers hitting too.

    I agree – no walks, but maybe because they are free swingers down there. I’m no doctor, and I’m no baseball person, but I’d diagnose “tired arm” too.

  14. Tom in N.J. April 23rd, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    Jason Tyner has been traded for nothing:

    “To say that the Milwaukee Brewers and Detroit Tigers were involved in a trade today would technically be inaccurate.

    See, it doesn’t look like the Brewers got anything in exchange for minor league outfielder Jason Tyner.

    Dan Lunetta, the Tigers’ director of minor league operations, said the Brewers assigned Tyner’s contract to the Detroit organization. It didn’t appear that any cash or other players were involved in the transaction”

  15. SJ44 April 23rd, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    Its easy to lose arm strength Joe when you can’t throw all winter.

    He was throwing some in AZ prior to going back to Taiwan. However, he wasn’t going full bore until ST. That’s a long time off the mound.

    His injury was a serious injury. It was also to his drive foot……the foot that he needs to put his weight behind to throw the ball.

    Pitching in a lot of ways is like a golf swing. Any injury and the swing gets messed up.

    In Wang’s case, there are a lot of moving parts in his delivery and all of them have to be right for him to generate the power he generates on his power sinker.

    Personally, I think he needs 3-4 weeks of building arm strength and confidence his foot is going to hold up.

    Once he realizes his foot is good to go (which I believe he does not yet believe), 3-4 weeks of building arm strength will get him back up to speed.

    Add in a couple of rehab outings and you are looking at a return on or about June 1.

  16. ZMAN7777 April 23rd, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    Ahh, the answer man, Giuseppe, strikes again! Thanks for clearing everything up. Even you should know that they won’t run Wang back out there if Hughes is performing, especially given all the trepidation regarding Wang.

  17. Fan Zone April 23rd, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    Hughes’ numbers vs. Detroit (2 starts)

    0-2, 9.2 IP, 12 H, 11 ER, 5 HRs with a 10.24 ERA

    Ouch.

  18. SJ44 April 23rd, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    You don’t focus on results in extended ST games. They aren’t real games. No scouting reports, no pitching patterns on hitters, no defensive placement of fielders, etc.

    Its just Wang throwing in front of Nardi Contreras and he is there to evaluate how he throws. The results really are meaningless.

    What you come out of the outing with is, his velocity is down because his mechanics are messed up.

    That’s why he can go on the DL with “arm fatigue” and they can take the next 4-6 weeks and build him back up again.

    The only way he was going to stay on the roster is if he came out of this outing throwing his usual 93-95 with heavy sink. Since that didn’t happen (not unexpected) the DL is the next stop for him.

  19. Mark-Cant Touch This April 23rd, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    Ahh, the answer man, Giuseppe, strikes again! Thanks for clearing everything up. Even you should know that they won’t run Wang back out there if Hughes is performing, especially given all the trepidation regarding Wang.
    _ _ __ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ _

    If Wang comes back Healthy he will start over Hughes no matter how Hughes is pitching, If the have a choice the will want Hughes in the minors working on his stuff

  20. Matt April 23rd, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    What if Hughes comes up and dominates?

    It may be CC who loses his spot when Wang returns, rather than Hughes.

  21. Joe from Long Island April 23rd, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    Thanks, SJ. I really did not know the process and that he wasn’t throwing until relatively recently. I guess it wasn’t realized that he didn’t have it together. Maybe wishful thinking. It seems like it’s a lot less scientific, a lot less cut-and-dry.

  22. m April 23rd, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    Good to see any improvement out of Wang.

    Who lines up to pitch on that day?

    Here’s another possibility. Hughes comes up and Stephen Jackson goes down.

    Not so sure they’ll DL him. A lot could depend on his side sessions and the next time he pitches extended innings.

  23. Zach in Port Jeff April 23rd, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    “It may be CC who loses his spot when Wang returns, rather than Hughes.”
    ===========================
    Uhhhhhhhh. No.

  24. SJ44 April 23rd, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    You really think CC is going to “lose his spot” in the rotation? You can’t even be remotely serious about that.

    If Wang is healthy and throwing like Wang again, he’s back in the rotation and whomever spelled him, no matter how well he may or may not pitch, is back in Scranton.

    They aren’t taking CC, Wang or anybody else (if they are healthy) out of the rotation for Phil Hughes.

  25. Stuckey April 23rd, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    Hughes got stretched out last night.

    He’s going to start in Detroit. You can count on it.

  26. Trevor April 23rd, 2009 at 6:35 pm

    Sabathia Hughes (likely) and Joba for Detroit.

    Verlander vs Sabathia
    Jackson? vs Hughes
    Porcello vs Chamberlain

    More fun match-ups after Boston.

  27. randy l. April 23rd, 2009 at 6:35 pm

    ” I realize he missed the second half of last season, but the flip side of that is that he had a lot of time to build/keep arm strength up. Can randy I or someone with more baseball knowledge add some thought?”

    joe from long island-

    you can’t build up much arm strength if you have problems with your feet, knees or legs. there’s drills that you can do where you kneel and throw off your knees but there’s a limit to how much arm strength you can build up in that way.

    a pitcher couldn’t pitch in sneakers because he’d slip all over the place. you have to have a solid connection to the ground to create velocity. i mentioned this before today, but try to throw a baseball on skates or sprinkle some baby powder on a floor try and throw a paper ball. you can’t get any arm speed. a pitcher has to have a firm strong connection to the ground that transfers the energy the pitcher creates up from the ground to the released ball. the energy starts from the ground up and works through the feet, knees, legs ,hips, shoulders, arm and to the finger tips releasing the ball.

    it’s a sequential chain of events. if something hurts or is weak the energy won’t get transferred through the chain. the effect of wang’s foot injury seems to have been underestimated.

    the good news is nardi contreas is right on that. i have no doubt that he knows how to build up wang’s velocity.

  28. you gotta have faith (right porch giveth and the right porch taketh away) April 23rd, 2009 at 6:35 pm

    “It may be CC who loses his spot when Wang returns, rather than Hughes.”

    $160 mill says differently.

  29. Uncle Ellsworth April 23rd, 2009 at 6:35 pm

    CC to the Pen!

  30. SJ44 April 23rd, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    They will DL Wang because they want his roster spot.

    If not, they are playing a man short.

    We won’t see Wang on the mound in NY for awhile. They have to get him right.

    They won’t play shorthanded so, he will go on the DL, they will call up either Hughes or Aceves (IMO) and go from there.

  31. vtred April 23rd, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    Porcello vs. Chamberlain – Nice

  32. Giuseppe Franco April 23rd, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    Ahh, the answer man, Giuseppe, strikes again! Thanks for clearing everything up. Even you should know that they won’t run Wang back out there if Hughes is performing, especially given all the trepidation regarding Wang.

    ————–

    You have no idea how long Wang will be out. He could be out for a couple of weeks or he could be out for a couple of months.

    But he does have a track record of success. Hughes will eventually be a very good starter for this team but they did stack up on starters during the offseason because they didn’t trust Hughes enough to give him a starting job.

  33. Michael April 23rd, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    the 0 walks is the most important number in that line to me. we all forget he didn’t pitch for 8 months before ST, that’s a lot …

  34. Giuseppe Franco April 23rd, 2009 at 6:39 pm

    You really think CC is going to “lose his spot” in the rotation? You can’t even be remotely serious about that.

    If Wang is healthy and throwing like Wang again, he’s back in the rotation and whomever spelled him, no matter how well he may or may not pitch, is back in Scranton.

    They aren’t taking CC, Wang or anybody else (if they are healthy) out of the rotation for Phil Hughes.

    ————

    Exactly. This is a no-brainer.

    ZMAN7777 doesn’t understand no-brainer arguments.

  35. SJ44 April 23rd, 2009 at 6:39 pm

    Its pretty tough to walk guys in extended ST games. Those kids swing from the heels at everything. That’s why stats coming out of those games are useless.

    Fact is, his velocity is down and his sinker is up. That’s a bad combo.

    At least they are getting closer to getting him right. Last week, there was no talk of taking him out of the rotation and putting him on the DL. Now, that looks like the way they will go.

    That gives him “another spring training”, to get himself right.

    Its also easier to do it in a non-pressurized atmosphere like Tampa than in NY.

  36. Stuckey April 23rd, 2009 at 6:40 pm

    For anyone who ridiculously is ‘worried’ about Sabathia.

    After 4 starts last year, one of the Yankees starters was 1-3, rocking a 5.75 ERA after two consecutive bad starts (both losses) against Boston.

    And yes, it WAS Mike Mussina.

  37. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2009 at 6:40 pm

    Tom in N.J.
    April 23rd, 2009 at 6:26 pm
    Jason Tyner has been traded for nothing:

    “To say that the Milwaukee Brewers and Detroit Tigers were involved in a trade today would technically be inaccurate.

    See, it doesn’t look like the Brewers got anything in exchange for minor league outfielder Jason Tyner.

    Dan Lunetta, the Tigers’ director of minor league operations, said the Brewers assigned Tyner’s contract to the Detroit organization. It didn’t appear that any cash or other players were involved in the transaction”

    ————————————————————

    Maybe NYY can deal Justin Leone for nothing.

  38. Uncle Ellsworth April 23rd, 2009 at 6:40 pm

    Mike Fran making a case for Jorge to the HOF
    But He says Jorge has 4 World Series Rings.
    Technically he does – but how much of a factor was Jorge in 1996? Really.

  39. Joe from Long Island April 23rd, 2009 at 6:41 pm

    SJ and randy I – many thanks for the insight. I appreciate having the insight from the coaching end. It makes the game a lot more understandable, and ultimately enjoyable for me.

  40. E-gawa April 23rd, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    DLing would be the smart move.. it’s good to see that they’re doing this now instead of playing games and having him up here wasting a spot.

  41. Stuckey April 23rd, 2009 at 6:43 pm

    We take Posada for granted, and well as lose focus of what position he plays.

    He really is one of the outstanding offensive catchers of ALL time.

  42. Tom in N.J. April 23rd, 2009 at 6:43 pm

    Are there any minor leaue teams in action tonight?

    And if so, who’s pitching.

  43. Homer April 23rd, 2009 at 6:44 pm

    Hughes needs his good change-up against Detroit and needs to mix in some cutters.

  44. murphydog April 23rd, 2009 at 6:44 pm

    Sounds like in ST they gave Wang credit for being a veteran and knowing whether he was ready, 100% velocity or not. Sabathia didn’t have his full velocity out of the gate, Joba didn’t either. Neither is hurt. You have to take a pitcher at his word at some point, trust him to know himself and his condition and let you know if he’s “go” or not.

    I have to guess that Wang wanted to come back badly, and either he misappraised his readiness or he lied to himself and by extension (unintentionally) mislead the staff. But he’s clearly not ready and it’s a relief to hear that he is diagnosed by Contreras as not having sufficient arm strength (and maybe not trusting his foot 100%). Both are fixable with time.

    It’s not such a bad thing to peek in on Hughes’ development by giving him a start in Detroit. Phil can only be a hero at this point because unlike the last time we saw him, he’s a fill-in for an “injured” Wang, not a regular starter in the rotation. With less pressure, he should be able to give better than Giese-level work, and that’s no knock against Giese, just a comparison.

  45. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    SJ…If Hughes (assuming he gets the call-up) and his game numbers and health are positive highs, would you consider backdating a 60 day DL for Wang, to get everything absolutely correct?

  46. Boston Dave April 23rd, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    I hope Betsy has her Phil Hughes jersey ironed and ready to go :)

  47. Jeremy K -- Time for good ol' Boston Bashing April 23rd, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    Whatever the Yankees decide to do is fine by me.

    I still have confidence in Wang — he’s having a rough month, but he has proven that he’s a Cy-Young caliber pitcher. Yes, Cy-Young. He’s that good.

    I have confidence in Phil Hughes too. He’s more than deserved a shot in the majors so far this season, and I believe that at this point, he’s ready.

    Either way the Yankees will have a pretty good – great pitcher out on the mound. And before you start attacking me, I know Wang has gotten killed recently, but that doesn’t mean he can’t turn it around. He’s good at pitching. If he doesn’t figure it out in or by this upcoming game, that doesn’t mean hw won’t figure it out eventually. I have faith in him and Hughes.

  48. Boston Dave April 23rd, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    “We won’t see Wang on the mound in NY for awhile. They have to get him right.”

    ———–

    agreed but I was hoping it would be just 3-4 starts. 3-4 weeks is a long time. we’ll see.

  49. Stuckey April 23rd, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    SWB isn’t playing tonight.

    Zack McAllister starts for Trenton.

  50. Boston Dave April 23rd, 2009 at 6:50 pm

    “Hughes needs his good change-up against Detroit and needs to mix in some cutters.”

    ———

    definitely. I also hope he has control of his fastball.

    he had amazing control in AAA and then seemed to lose it when he was called up previously. If he is walking guys, he’s in trouble.

  51. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2009 at 6:50 pm

    BD, Hughes better be wearing an iron shirt (withe kevlar shorts) if there are any problems with Detroit. The media and “intelligent fans” will be unmerciful.

  52. Jeremy K -- Time for good ol' Boston Bashing April 23rd, 2009 at 6:50 pm

    “pretty good – great pitcher” means a range from pretty good to great (depending on if the good or bad of Hughes or Wang shows up)

  53. Tom in N.J. April 23rd, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    Cool, thanks Stuckey.

  54. randy l. April 23rd, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    “In Wang’s case, there are a lot of moving parts in his delivery and all of them have to be right for him to generate the power he generates on his power sinker.
    Personally, I think he needs 3-4 weeks of building arm strength and confidence his foot is going to hold up.”

    i couldn’t agree more.

    the only thing today i didn’t like hearing was nardi contreras saying “What I saw today, he had the best slider I’ve seen since I’ve known Chien-Ming. The slider has improved and the changeup is very good. His offspeed pitches are coming in really well.”.

    he’s there to get his sinker back. he’s not there to turn him back into the pitcher who threw a fastball, slider,and change up. that pitcher was not a star.

    without trying to throw too many things out in the wang discussion, working on his slider isn’t the point of his rehab. and working on it too much may slow down the development of the sinker.

    leiter talked about this kind of thing the other night about some other pitcher who had trouble throwing a change and a slider. he said he( leiter) couldn’t throw a change up well because the pronation it takes to throw a change up didn’t mix well with the supination he did to throw his slider. ( pronation is turning a doorknob counter clockwise)

    wang likely pronates with the sinker and the change, but not with the slider. he may not be able to do both probation and supination. some pitchers can some can’t.
    when a pitcher has a nasty sinker like wang’s , i think it’s best to err on the side of simplicity and not mix too many sliders in there.

    i’m all for the change up though.

  55. Boston Dave April 23rd, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    “BD, Hughes better be wearing an iron shirt (withe kevlar shorts) if there are any problems with Detroit. The media and “intelligent fans” will be unmerciful.”

    ——–

    cue the Johan Santana chants

    if Hughes has a rough start to the game we’ll be hearing that the Yankees should ship him along with IPK for Cameron in the game thread.

  56. Joe from Long Island April 23rd, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    “BD, Hughes better be wearing an iron shirt (withe kevlar shorts) if there are any problems with Detroit. The media and “intelligent fans” will be unmerciful.”

    GB7, ya really think so???

  57. SJ44 April 23rd, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    GB,

    I don’t think so. The only reason to put him on the 60 Day DL would be to open up a roster spot on the 40 man roster.

    If they call up Hughes or Aceves to take his spot in the rotation, both of those guys are on the 40 man so, they don’t need the roster spot.

    At this point, I think it will just be the 15 Day and see how it goes.

  58. Tom in N.J. April 23rd, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    Here’s the (free!) Radio link to the Trenton Thunder:

    http://www.rider.edu/175_16702.htm

  59. murphydog April 23rd, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    randy l.

    I agree that the sinker is what makes Wang, well, Wang. But there’s a mental component here to rehab as well, no? Maybe throwing something consistently for strikes today was just as important as throwing the sinker right will be a little farther down the road.

  60. Joey April 23rd, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    So if Hughes replaces Wang until June, his schedule would be:

    4/28 @ Detroit
    5/3 vs. LA Angels
    5/8 @ Baltimore
    5/13 @ Toronto
    5/18 vs. Minnesota
    5/23 vs. Philadelphia
    5/29 @ Cleveland
    6/3 vs. Texas

  61. randy l. April 23rd, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    joe from long island-

    i wish wang was doing well and being the great pitcher he can be, but it is fascinating getting into the mechanics of what’s going on. i’ve learned quite a bit myself with the back and forth that takes place on the blog. sj44 has excellent info,and cb pointed out all the f/x info that i wasn’t familiar with. pat m spotted the low leg lift first before the yankees even mentioned it.

    the discussions on the blog are sometimes ahead of what the yankees are saying and i think that’s a pretty cool dynamic.

  62. Joe from Long Island April 23rd, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    One of the things that might get considered in the Hughes or Aceves debate – Phil hasn’t pitched a lot in the past two years, and would still need to have his innings watched. Put together in the same rotation as Joba would mean two guys who might tax the ‘pen. We wouldn’t have that problem if Aceves got the call. By leaving Phil in AAA, they could control his IP a lot more easily, no?

  63. Trevor April 23rd, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    YES is showing Joba’s 1-0 win over Beckett.

  64. NongEyeJon April 23rd, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    Yeah, really…how am I not supposed to focus on the hits and runs considering he was facing a bunch of minor leaguers?

  65. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    SJ44
    April 23rd, 2009 at 6:55 pm
    GB,

    I don’t think so. The only reason to put him on the 60 Day DL would be to open up a roster spot on the 40 man roster.

    If they call up Hughes or Aceves to take his spot in the rotation, both of those guys are on the 40 man so, they don’t need the roster spot.

    At this point, I think it will just be the 15 Day and see how it goes.

    ————————————————————

    It was the 40 man issue that I was thinking about when I asked. Opening up that extra spot at least for a month. I know that when Rodriguez returns, one of Pena or goes, though, I don’t think there’s any risk involved in losing Ransom. I was thinking more of a long relief or a spot for Melancon around late May or June.

  66. Jeter in LF April 23rd, 2009 at 7:04 pm

    I wonder if Wang has shown any improvement, or if Nardi is merely trying to boost his confidence.

    Perhaps the extent of their injuries were different, but Bruney sure came back from the lis franc injury a lot faster than Wang, without any significant loss in velo.

  67. you gotta have faith (right porch giveth and the right porch taketh away) April 23rd, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    Trevor,

    lol they always show that now right before we play boston, i rather them show the boone game, i havent seen that in a while.

  68. randy l. April 23rd, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    “But there’s a mental component here to rehab as well, no? ”

    murphydog-

    i agree. he had to be down in the dumps getting the results he was getting. i think you were right in your earlier post that everyone thought wang was a little behind, but would catch up quickly once the season started.

    the problem was he was getting hammered and wasn’t getting enough innings to build up his arm strength, so there was no improvement in the games.

  69. CaptainsCorner April 23rd, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    I think it is definitely Hughes getting the call..They don’t really have anyone else. I just wish it was a different team he would be facing like the Royals and not the Tigers. The Tigers will probably clobber him. He pitched great last night but he still has to work on his secondary pitches. The pitching coach said his curveball was great but some starts it is there and some it isn’t also his changeup isn’t that good yet. A fastball isn’t gonna get it done especially against the Tigers. We saw that last year. It would be nice if they had a journeyman to bring up so Hughes gets the time that he needs. This is the quotes from his start incase it wasn’t posted here.

    http://community.thetimes-trib.....notes.aspx

  70. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    A weak top of the first for Charleston. angeini and 1Bman Brian Baisley struck out. Baisley is hitting .383 but, don’t get excited. he’s also 26 years old.

    David Phelps from Notre Dame U. has been sensational in two starts. He was equally outstanding at Staten Island, last year.

  71. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2009 at 7:23 pm

    Not a great start for Phelps. 2 singles under Adams’ glove at 2nd base into right field. Has a fairly decent fastball. Usually at 90-92 MPH but, hit 94 MPH last week (question the gun).

    Strike ‘em out, throw ‘em out to get the runner at third.

    Wild pitch. Chase Weems defense has been much better behind the plate, so far, this year.

    Out of the inning without a run.

  72. S.A.--It's a marathon, not a sprint. Calm down. April 23rd, 2009 at 7:24 pm

    Hughes better be wearing an iron shirt (withe kevlar shorts) if there are any problems with Detroit. The media and “intelligent fans” will be unmerciful.

    =======================================

    First run he gives up, you know for some the sky will be falling. ;)

  73. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2009 at 7:26 pm

    S.A.–It’s a marathon, not a sprint. Calm down.
    April 23rd, 2009 at 7:24 pm
    Hughes better be wearing an iron shirt (withe kevlar shorts) if there are any problems with Detroit. The media and “intelligent fans” will be unmerciful.

    ===================================

    First run he gives up, you know for some the sky will be falling.

    ————————————————————

    I’d expect nothing less from the Yankee Faithless.

  74. Betsy April 23rd, 2009 at 7:29 pm

    BD, I am very unhappy at the thought of Phil pitching up here……I really want him to stay in AAA. Everytime things get messed up with the pitching staff, the Yankees use Phil as a tourniquet. His future should come ahead of everything else – bring Aceves (who isn’t that good and isn’t even pitching well) or IPK, but not Phil. Let him work on his secondary pitches in AAA ……..

    I don’t even have a Phil jersey, lol – my father bought me a Joba shirt that I never wear. I do have an AJ shirt though – made sure to get that right away!

  75. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2009 at 7:29 pm

    Quick inning on a first pitch foul out by Almonte and strikeouts to Mesa and Grote.

  76. Boston Dave April 23rd, 2009 at 7:32 pm

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    I tend to agree, though I’ll naturally be excited to watch Phil pitch for the Yankees again.

    I have a Joba shirt also.

    Aside from that, I have to go back to my Mattingly/Tartabull/Nokes shirt that I used to wear every other day as a kid.

  77. Bob April 23rd, 2009 at 7:33 pm

    I saw Wang pitch today and all those hits had nothing to do with baked infields or young infielders. He was hit hard in the last two innings by line drives, not ground balls.

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    Good job Wang. Get your work in and return to the team as soon as you can. Whether that is next week or two weeks from now.
    This is a long season. Wang will return to form and help us win.

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  82. Pat M April 23rd, 2009 at 7:40 pm

    Grote ???Any relationship to Mets catcher Jerry Grote ????

  83. randy l. April 23rd, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    “I saw Wang pitch today and all those hits had nothing to do with baked infields or young infielders. He was hit hard in the last two innings by line drives, not ground balls.”

    bob-

    how about the other innings with ground balls? with all those strike outs it doesn’t sound like he had much of a sinker going. when were the runs given up?

  84. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2009 at 7:50 pm

    Ouch. Home run for Augusta. Low liner sneaks over the right center field fence, leading off the 2nd inning.

    Walks the next batter.

    Pop out to short center, caught by Angelini. Another walk (his 3rd full count this inning….lot of pitches).

    Single through SS and 3rd… and a run.

    Hits a batter…bases loaded and one out.

    Error by Phelps. run scores.

    Finally, a pair of strikeouts.

    Line so far: 2 innings, 3 runs scored, 3 earned, 2 walks, 3 strikeouts, 1 WP.

    24 errors in 14 games by Charleston

    Never fails. Brag about how great a kid has been, and he blows up.

    He is an outstanding pitcher, though.

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    I’m in Detroit now, & will have the night off on Tuesday the 28th… looking forward to seeing the Yankees in Comerica.

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    Pat M
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    Grote ?Any relationship to Mets catcher Jerry Grote ??

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    I thought he might be, PAT, but, I haven’t found any mention of it. Taylor Grote is from Texas, and I think Jerry is from California.

  87. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2009 at 8:03 pm

    3rd Baseman Mike Lyon booms a double off of the left field fence. Weems pops out. Angelini flies out to short left. DH Dan Brewer lines out.

  88. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2009 at 8:11 pm

    Phelps starts the first inning like the second. two singles to the start.

    WP…runner to third.

    Sac fly. run in. 4-0.

    Double play…4-6-3

  89. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2009 at 8:22 pm

    Adams’s grounds out to third.

    Baisley singles to center.

    Almonte safe on error.

    Mesa strikes out.

    Grote pops out to center.

    By the way, Augusta is a Giants farm team and the kid pitching, Ari Ronick is the nephew of Phil Jackson. Yeah, that Phil Jackson.

  90. Bob Mac April 23rd, 2009 at 8:31 pm

    I understand extended spring games don’t “count”, but that is way too many hits for 18 year olds to get off a major league starter who is, we can be sure, trying his best to impress. I do believe the Wang looked good comments are for his psyche. They did pitch Hughes right after Kennedy when he hadn’t followed him earlier in the season. That tells me Hughes will be up.

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    Phelps still pitching.

    Groundout 1st to pitcher

    infield single to second.

    Stolen base

    fielder’s choice 3rd to 2nd.

    Stolen base

    ground out to 2nd.

    Phelps with close to 90 pitches. scoring correction…one run is unearned.

    Phelps’ line is:

    4.0 innings, 8 hits, 4 runs, 3 earned runs, 2 walks, 3 strikeouts, 1 homer allowed, 2 WP

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