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Berroa on the way

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Apr 25, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

It sounds like Angel Berroa is on the way from Scranton. No word as yet on 40-man roster move.

Berroa, who played well in spring training, is hitting .316 for Scranton with 13 RBI in 14 games. He has, however, played only one-third of an inning at third base in the major leagues.

It’s not an ideal situation by any means.





59 Responses to “Berroa on the way”

  1. Rebecca-Optimist Prime...Staying to Write the Story April 25th, 2009 at 11:26 am

    DFA Sanchez seems most likely, no?

  2. Buddy April 25th, 2009 at 11:28 am

    Bet Bruney’s going on the 15 day.

  3. jay destro April 25th, 2009 at 11:28 am

    looking at the 40 man, i really gotta say it’s time to cut the cord on humberto sanchez

  4. DT April 25th, 2009 at 11:28 am

    Pete – be kind to Berroa. Mama always said respect your elders.

  5. kasey April 25th, 2009 at 11:29 am

    “He has, however, played one third of an inning at third base in the major leagues.

    It’s not an ideal situation by any means.”

    your deadpan kills me, man. kills me.

    here’s hoping that last sentence doesn’t end up being the motto of the 2009 new york yankees.

  6. Rishi April 25th, 2009 at 11:31 am

    so he would be the back up or the starter? Pena gets the start I hope

  7. hclunited April 25th, 2009 at 11:36 am

    So many injuries and old age injuries for the Yankees this year already:

    ARod, Matsui, Wang, Texieira, Ransom, Nady, Bruney and put Posada and Damon on not-everyday injury-recovering players. Oh yeah, Rivera is also recovering from surgery.

    Am I missing anybody?

  8. CB April 25th, 2009 at 11:37 am

    “DFA Sanchez seems most likely, no?”

    I don’t see a whole lot of reason not to place Cody Ransom on the 60 day DL – unless that’s simply not possible due to criteria of injury severity.

    A quad strain of significant degree is going to take a while to heal. Ransom could easily be out a month.

    If the strain is anything significant then Ransom’s not coming back before Alex is. If that’s the case there’s no point in keeping him on the 40 man. Just put him on the DL and give his spot to Berroa.

    I’ve been posting about this for a while. They were bound at some point to have significant 40 roster issues at some point due to the number of pitchers they have in the system.

    We’re at that point now.

  9. saucy April 25th, 2009 at 11:37 am

    Here’s hoping beeroa can perform!

    Show is why you beat out Hideki, angel!

  10. gurinder April 25th, 2009 at 11:38 am

    pena can’t even get a hitt….. berroa can get hits he has some big league experience…. i belive he’s a betta option dan ransom

  11. Teixeiramvp (JobaCyYoung) April 25th, 2009 at 11:39 am

    I’d like to try Miranda.
    Know he’s not a 3rd baseman, but getting a bat w/potential like his would be nice.

  12. Zooboy April 25th, 2009 at 11:40 am

    I mist Aaron (eplitive deleted)Boone.

  13. R+ April 25th, 2009 at 11:41 am

    Try and pass Hacker, Claggett, Jackson through waivers. None will be a big loss. Ideally you’d like to trade them, but it’s not like we have many options right now considering we need a spot now.

    Rather do that than get rid of someone like Humberto Sanchez. Cody to the 60 day could work, not sure if Cash will go that route though.

  14. Jeter in LF April 25th, 2009 at 11:41 am

    It’s amazing that this franchise spends $200 million a year and has no depth.

  15. gurinder April 25th, 2009 at 11:42 am

    ur right, but we need a thrid basemann …. miranda shud give it a try at 3rd base .. i tink he can do it

  16. Teixeiramvp (JobaCyYoung) April 25th, 2009 at 11:42 am

    Jeter in LF-We have a lot of depth, we’re just using it because of injuries.

  17. CB April 25th, 2009 at 11:42 am

    Also, if at this point the yankees simply send Ramiro Pena back to the minor leagues when Alex comes back it will have been simply shortsighted to have put him on the 40 man roster.

    He’s played how many innings? And if it’s simply those innings he gets than putting him on the 40 may one year earlier than necessary was a waste.

    They could really use that spot on the 40 man. If they had simply made Berroa the backup infielder they could have DFAd him when Alex gets back to clear a 40 man spot.

    Now it’s more complicated to get Melancon on the 40 man, particularly early in the season.

    Yes they could cut Sanchez but that’s not really an optimal move to make – not after you’ve waited on him for so long. He may pan out to be nothing but to cut him simply because you put Ramiro Pena on the 40 man roster to get a handful of April innings would be very poor roster management.

  18. Clint April 25th, 2009 at 11:42 am

    Teix – The bench needs some serous re-tooling.

  19. dennis-costanza(sox fan) April 25th, 2009 at 11:43 am

    Hey CB.

    Hope you are well.

    I read some of the posts from last night this AM and I could not agree more that Ortiz looks close to being done. He is over matched with a 92mph fastball. It is surprising to see how fast his skills have seemingly eroded.


  20. Rebecca-Optimist Prime...Staying to Write the Story April 25th, 2009 at 11:44 am

    “I mist Aaron (eplitive deleted)Boone.”

    Scott Brosius.

    “Try and pass Hacker, Claggett, Jackson through waivers. None will be a big loss. Ideally you’d like to trade them, but it’s not like we have many options right now considering we need a spot now.

    Rather do that than get rid of someone like Humberto Sanchez. Cody to the 60 day could work, not sure if Cash will go that route though.”

    Jackson is a future OF’r, maybe not Bernie good but better than anything we have. Yankees don’t trade him unless it’s for someone like Matt LaPorta good.

  21. randy l. April 25th, 2009 at 11:44 am

    “On a personal note, do you know info the rest of us dont?”
    William Buckner-

    it’s on of those 6 degrees of separation thing. i think it’s part of the success of the blog that there are many diverse people from many walks of life with different skill sets ,past experience, and connections. it makes for some very interesting conversations. i know i’ve learned a lot from the people more adept at the statistical analysis side of things, and we do have some good legal representation on the blog.

    in my case, i do have some inside info about wang because of being close friends with the guy who taught him the sinker that transformed wang. i couldn’t break down other yankee pitchers as much as i can with wang because i’ve been given the clues what to look for with wang when he’s off.

    the info i’m giving is dated and thus not violating a trust of being told something i’m supposed to keep to myself. and no i don’t say everything about wang that i know, but what the guy who taught him the sinker told me he showed wang, i’m sharing on the blog.

    he showed him the grip
    he shortened his stride
    he had him throw .

    it worked right way. that’s it.

    the one thing the yankees coaching never mentions is shortening the stride, and that appears to be the secret move that made the sinker sink so dramatically. it’s not something you read when looking up how to throw a sinker.

    the natural arm slot wang had was already perfect for the sinker. recognizing this was the epiphany that this coach had. he really didn’t do much, but it took him 20 years of experience to see what he saw and to do what he did so quickly.

    … so when in mid spring training i saw wang’s arm slot way off( too high) i knew there were big problems and said so at the time. why it took the yankees so long to do something about is now open to question.

  22. Teixeiramvp (JobaCyYoung) April 25th, 2009 at 11:45 am

    Clint-NOW it does because we’re using the bench to patch up holes.
    As a result, withthe bench on the field, we have no bench.

  23. O*Line April 25th, 2009 at 11:45 am

    The bullpen is a mess. 9 relievers, most who are burnt out and unavailable today, no long man, and who knows what the deal with Bruney is.

    Injuries and poor roster construction are killing this team.

  24. Kyle April 25th, 2009 at 11:46 am

    I can’t remember a worse regular season loss in a long time than last night.

    And the subsequent injury news following it just added salt in the wounds.

  25. gurinder April 25th, 2009 at 11:47 am

    veras shud be aviable today …. ramierz and robertsonn

  26. Teixeiramvp (JobaCyYoung) April 25th, 2009 at 11:48 am

    Kyle-If we win the next two it’s a footnote.

  27. Rebecca-Optimist Prime...Staying to Write the Story April 25th, 2009 at 11:48 am

    randy: It’s great information. Thanks for sharing.

  28. Rizzo! April 25th, 2009 at 11:48 am

    You know it’s bad news when Angel Berroa isn’t even recognized as a MLB player in the yahoosports fantasy league…

  29. jax gmen April 25th, 2009 at 11:49 am

    maybe randy l was right about Cashman

    his roster construction is a joke

  30. hardwired April 25th, 2009 at 11:49 am

    Teix – The front-office needs some serious re-tooling.

    fixed that for you, Clint.

  31. CB April 25th, 2009 at 11:49 am


    First off – congrats on last night. Tremendous game by your guys. Very impressive.

    You know what really mystifies me – the idea that Pedroia doesn’t have talent and that he’s just getting by on “grittiness.”

    It’s just ridiculous. I feel like I’m watching another game when people keep parroting that line.

    He’s got great bat speed for a middle of the diamond player, excellent range and an outstanding arm.

    That play up the middle he made last night – how many second baseman have the arm to make that play?

    It’s odd but the “ESPN perception” of him chalks him up to be a very good player for very wrong reasons.

    Youkilis is completely locked in. Right handed hitters have a much better shot against Mo (and your team has always had good right handed hitting…) and I was more concerned about Bay and Youkilis than anyone else. Youkilis was terrific.

    Papi really does look awful. He simply has no bat speed anymore at all. None. Low 90′s heat is overwhelming him.

    Reminds me of Mo Vaughn a bit. It’s sad to see in some ways.

  32. Betsy April 25th, 2009 at 11:50 am

    Joe’s pen use has been downright awful. He’s overused guys, yanked guys at the first sign of trouble – in essence, the opposite of what he did last year, when he instilled a sense of confidence in the pen. I hate to say it, but perhaps the pressure to win right now is getting to Joe – he knows it’s curtains for him here if he doesn’t make the playoffs. I understand Wang has tied his hands completely (though it’s ridiculous that there is no long man), but no using Marte for a week? Taking pitchers out mid-at bat?

    I would not have used Mo in the 8th last night – so much for being careful with him.


  33. Teixeiramvp (JobaCyYoung) April 25th, 2009 at 11:51 am

    hardwired-Nah, I disagree.
    Our front office Got us CC, A.J., Tex, and Swish.
    Not bad, right?

  34. KP April 25th, 2009 at 11:51 am

    Rebecca: I believe he meant Steven Jackson, not Austin. I don’t think Austin is on the 40-man anyway.

  35. pat April 25th, 2009 at 11:52 am

    Jeter in LF

    They have back-ups for starters. It’s the back-up for their back-ups they scrimped on. :wink:

    The Yankees have too many pitchers on the 40 man who will never see time in the Bronx unless I’m not available to pitch that day. Time to start turning a few excess arms into something more useful.

  36. Paddy R April 25th, 2009 at 11:52 am

    tex – i know they did it in tampa, and it’s definitely possible (i hope you’re right!). i was just pointing out how tough it is, even for a team that is mentally tough, to do it after a loss like last night. you’d always much rather get blown out then lose like that. had they lost 15-5 last night, you feel better about taking 2. it’s tough to bounce back from last night.

  37. Kernal April 25th, 2009 at 11:52 am

    Veras pitched 3.1 innings and has only had 2 days off.

    He will probably be available, but only because he needs to be. Hell, he’s probably our closer today.

  38. vin April 25th, 2009 at 11:53 am

    Would it make sense to put Nady on the 60day dl? Last report I saw had him resting for 3 weeks then begin hitting… that’s maybe 5 weeks total – 35 days – best case scenario. Choosing Pena over Berroa has definitely complicated the 40-man, but hindisght is 20/20.

  39. Teixeiramvp (JobaCyYoung) April 25th, 2009 at 11:54 am

    Paddy R-Ya gotta believe!
    Right now I’m torturing myself by reading the Yesnetwork recap of the game.

  40. randy l. April 25th, 2009 at 11:54 am


    i hope you don’t mind me reposting this, but it’s an important issue and i think worth reposting in light of the yankees just now finding hip problems with wang. can the yankees do better? are the red sox already doing better?

    from cb-April 23rd, 2009 at 10:26 am

    “Let me give you an example of what I’m concerned with right now with regards to the Yankees and Wang.
    They seem to now be suggesting the primary issue going on here is arm strength.
    If that’s true (and I’m not sure if it it – I still think it’s more likley his foot…), if it is his arm strenght then that’s a big problem because the organization should never have had him in the bigs to start the season.
    You should know if a pitcher has enough arm strength to compete.
    Now I also do believe Wang is a big time gamer and isn’t going to admit injury. So that’s a bit of a conundrum.
    Here’s a situation however where we should turn to see how could the team acquire objective evidence regarding arm strength. Medical technology now let’s you do that.
    The Red Sox have been leaders in this field from what I understand. They do very extensive strength testing on all of their players throughout the season.
    They can tell you right now how strong Dice-K’s shoulder is compared to what it was at this time last year. That’s part of the reason why the put Dice-K on the DL despite what he was saying. He also said he felt fine. The Red Sox looked at the strenght data and Dl’d him because the objective data indicated he was not as strong as he should be.
    I’m not sure if the yankees due the same extensive strength testing. Perhaps SJ knows.
    If the team does not have that kind of state of the art physilogy program in place then they are being myopic and stuck in the past. They should be blamed for that.
    And I would vocally blame them for that but I don’t have the evidence to say that they aren’t doing that kind of strength testing.
    My impression is that they aren’t but I don’t know that for certain so I’m not going to make a big deal of it.
    But that is something I am very concerned with right now and would be a good example of a serious shortfall in organizational operations were it to be true.”

  41. Rebecca-Optimist Prime...Staying to Write the Story April 25th, 2009 at 11:54 am

    With Joba only going only 5.1 innings yesterday, the bullpen recovering from the 14 inning stint and Bruney unavailable, Girardi did not exactly have much at his disposal.

    Perhaps he should not have brought Mo in in the eighth, but it’s not as though Mo has never gone four outs. If Jeter catches that ball, yadda yadda….

    I’m very adamant about this. You can’t blame last night’s loss on Girardi.

  42. Horse Puncher April 25th, 2009 at 11:55 am

    Can we have a bizarro day, since the season is clearly lost and Girardi is gone-zo in, like, 4 weeks? REALLY mix it up:

    Kei Igawa 3B
    CC Sabathia SS
    Derek Jeter C
    Johnny Damon P
    Edwar Ramirez 1B
    Joba Chamberlain 2B
    Mariano Rivera CF (not so bizarro)
    Andy Pettitte LF
    Jose Molina RF

    No DH, but a cheerleader: Cody Ransom could jump up and down on a 60″ box while wearing a kilt.

  43. hardwired April 25th, 2009 at 11:55 am

    Hey Teix, I mean more in the long view. Over a billion poured into the roster since 2004, and ZERO depth. It’s egregious if looked at objectively.

    Thankfully, w/Nady, Matsui and Damon coming off the books Cashman gets another shot at significant re-tooling after this season. God, I hope he doesn’t blow it…

  44. randy l. April 25th, 2009 at 11:56 am


    what was the team that hit youkillis in the head last week?

  45. Rebecca-Optimist Prime...Staying to Write the Story April 25th, 2009 at 11:56 am

    KP: Ah, I see! That makes much more sense! My sincerest apologies!

  46. Gus April 25th, 2009 at 11:57 am

    In due time Big Al will be back at 3rd but if Bruney is out for the season this is a huge blow

  47. CB April 25th, 2009 at 11:57 am

    What is poor roster construction? That’s such a throw away term.

    Nick Green is the starting short stop for the Sox? Is that poor roster construction?

    No – it’s injuries.

    Sure the roster looks like a mess when Alex is out, Nady hurt, your utility infielder filling in for Alex hurt, your 8th inning set up guy hurt, and your bull pen overtaxed because the guy who was supposed to be your number 2 starter can’t get anyone out.

    There’s simply no way to compensate for that. You can only come up with the best of a series of bad options.

    That’s what they are trying to do.

    But this roster construction issue is so strange. Somehow people think that a long reliever can throw an infinite number of innings or would solve the problem of Alex and Cody Ransom being hurt.

    It’s a bad stretch. We’re not going to see what this team is until Alex comes back and we know that Wang is straightened out.

    Until then it’s mix and match.

    This was a deep team going into the year. Nick Swisher was on the bench. Dave Robertson couldn’t make the team out of spring. Those things says something.

  48. Paddy R April 25th, 2009 at 11:58 am

    rebecca – you can’t, but i can. matter of opinion!

    it’s not like mo has never gone 4 outs, no doubt. he’s done all that and then some. but that does not make it reasonable, at the age of 39, to bring him in to that spot for the first time THIS SEASON. because if you get burned, you probably don’t have him available today. which is our situation! it’s less about the blown save and more about girardi not stretching mo out in a better situation, not just for that game, be the next 1-2. give mo 4-5 outs on a sunday or wednesday with an off monday or thursday. so even if you get burned, at least it doesn’t affect the next day.

  49. Teixeiramvp (JobaCyYoung) April 25th, 2009 at 11:59 am

    hardwired-This year we have dpth, it’s just playing itself out right now.
    Swish for Nady. Lots of good young bullpen arms. A mishmosh for A-Rod at third. Melky playing well as a fourth OFer.
    It seems like no depth because we have injuries and the dpth is forced to play instead of backup, which is their job; if the backup gets hurt, play.
    Swish is doing well, the young arms are improving,heck even Ransom (who’s of course being replaced) was heating up.
    As for Melky, well, two games ago was outstanding.
    Our depth is fine, we just don’t have the luxury of actualy having them be backups instead of starters.

  50. pat April 25th, 2009 at 12:00 pm


    There has to be someone in the Yankees system (Contreras, Connors?) who was around when NA taught Wang the sinker and should have a clue on how to get him righted.

    You know more about this than most here, does this hip abductor diagnosis hold any weight with you as to velocity and if Wang was toying with the longer stride to increase velocity?

  51. dennis-costanza(sox fan) April 25th, 2009 at 12:00 pm


    Pretty well played game except for both teams having trouble with RISP. I thought Joba battled well w/out his best stuff. That is a great sign in his development. The DP’s were no fluke.

    Good point on Pedroia. He is a much better athlete than people give him credit for IMO. He just does not look the part…

    How long do you continue to hit Ortiz 3rd? IMO, he is no longer 3 guy until he proves otherwise.


  52. Teixeiramvp (JobaCyYoung) April 25th, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    Ugh, dpth is depth.

  53. Buddy Biancalana April 25th, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    New post- Melancon coming up.

  54. Gus April 25th, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    Say word Buddy ?

  55. dennis-costanza(sox fan) April 25th, 2009 at 12:06 pm


    Amy spoke with her Mom in Orleans this AM and she said it is a beautiful day on the Cape. Only about a month+ until the Cape Cod League starts..All good.

    The Sox played Balt and then a DH with MN last week. I was not aware that Youk was hit in the head. I was traveling all week for work.

    Hope business is solid at your store.


  56. randy l. April 25th, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    “maybe randy l was right about Cashman”

    jax gmen-

    i’m backing off from the personal blame game because i’ve found it’s not productive. the yankees are an organization and it’s just as easy to make the same points without getting into personalities.

    i do think there’s some problems with how the organization solves problems . the red sox got matsuzaka out of their starting rotation quicker and replaced him in a more effective way than the yankees have handled the problem of wang.

    it’s a matter of damage control. stuff is going to go wrong. the question is how you deal with it and also how proactive you are in preventing it. if you notice, papelbon , even at his age went one inning. he could have gone another.

    but he red sox measure his shoulder strength and they have rules about his use because of shoulder issues. rivera is 39 years old. 4 outs and a high 30′s in pitch count. especially early in the season, that just doesn’t seem smart.

  57. randy l. April 25th, 2009 at 12:33 pm


    it is a beautiful day here and those damn red sox fans walking around have an unusually happy look on their faces. it’s really annoying :)

    yeah last week , while i was watching he got drilled right off the helmet, fairly solid. there was no fisticuffs or anything. just a few histrionics from youkillis ,but nothing major.

    my point is he seems to get hit a lot. he dives in ( just like jeter does).
    the yankees can’t take up and in off the table because red sox nation is going to overreact when a yankee pitcher offends youkillis by going up and in.

    jeter doesn’t overreact. he knows it’s the price he pays for diving in and taking ownership of the outside corner of the plate. youkillis reacts like a stuck pig and red sox nation is screaming for blood.

    here’s the deal. the yankees have to ignore the irrational overreaction of youkillis and red sox fans at the ballpark and go up and in with youkillis just the way the red sox do with jeter.

    joba needs to go up and in. every yankee pitcher needs to go up and in against youkilis. he’s locked in and that’s how you get him not locked in.

    other teams do it. the yankees need to also. had they done it the whole game youkillis may not have ben so comfortable for the walk off.

    not trying to rattle the sabers, but youkillis can’t have the whole plate just because he squeals like a stuck pig when he doesn’t get it.

  58. Andy In Sunny Daytona April 25th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    Berroa used to mash Satchel Paige.

  59. jake April 25th, 2009 at 5:05 pm

    Some of you are either being intentionally hostile (‘cos that’s for fun you, I guess) or are just ignorant.
    The Yanks have great depth in certain positions, not in others. No ML team has depth all around.
    An extraordinary number of injuries would be devastating to any team. And the Yanks have had, so far, an extraordinary number of injuries and/or guys rehabbing. A-Rod, Matsui, Bruney, Wang. What team could sustain injuries to such key players and still hit on all cylinders?
    $200m buys you quality, but it doesn’t buy you any guarantees.

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