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Not much of a difference

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Apr 26, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Since the start of the 2007 season, the Yankees and Red Sox have split 38 games.

Meanwhile, only four runs separate the clubs in the last 57 games between the teams. Boston has scored 324 runs and the Yankees 320.

In terms of the all-time series:

The Yankees lead 1,095-901 and there have been 14 ties. It’s 446-446-4 at Fenway Park.

 
 

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91 Responses to “Not much of a difference”

  1. Dave April 26th, 2009 at 11:33 am

    I”m sure well get them in the later part of the year, when Wang is back to his old self, CC is dealing and A-rod is back to putting up MVP numbers and we have bruney and malancon in the pen.

  2. Jason O. April 26th, 2009 at 11:38 am

    Not much of a difference, but the Yankees should be a) angry and b) ashamed of themselves for blowing two games they should have won.

  3. Capital 3 April 26th, 2009 at 11:40 am

    The worst part is that we had leads late in both of these games.

    Unfortunately, the biggest issues with the team manifested themselves. Couldn’t get the big hit on Friday to blow the game open, and the bullpen couldn’t get anybody out yesterday.

  4. Rebecca-Optimist Prime April 26th, 2009 at 11:41 am

    Jason, stuff happens.

    People blow games. Especially at Fenway. The Orioles blew a 7-0 lead; klast year the Rangers blew a 10-0 lead. The Yankees in ’07 came back from a 7-2 deficit in the 8th inning.

    Two losses does not the end of the season make.

    Yes, the bullpen needs to get better.

    They will.

    Have a little faith.

  5. Minnesota Yankee Fan April 26th, 2009 at 11:41 am

    Yesterday’s game was certainly painful to watch and I was really upset with the bad calls, cursed plays and unbelievable turn of events. I always refer to the Yankees as “we”, as in “we won or we hit a homerun”, etc. My daughter points out to me that I am not on the team and that it is just a game. Technically, yes. I hope the baseball Gods will start smiling on “us” soon though. Go Yanks!

  6. Paddy R April 26th, 2009 at 11:42 am

    i just want to win tonight.

    very good point jason. these last two games should have been a split minimum, and when you consider 1. how many times rivera will blow a 2 run lead with 2 outs in the 9th and 2. how many times AJ will blow a 6-0 lead, we proably should be 2-0.

    girardi should go to melancon tonight. it can’t get any worse than everything else he’s got, so may as well get his feet wet early. any developing he can do in april is going to help us down the road this year, and there is no better way to develop than to get after it in fenway on a sunday night.

  7. Teixeiramvp (JobaCyYoung) April 26th, 2009 at 11:43 am

    Disregard any of my depressing comments made yesterday. I have forced myself to look at an overview of the season as a whole, the future of the season, and the relative importance of the series. The truth is this: These losses are disappointing, but we are still over 500 if we win tonight. I am also extremely confident that with A-Rod we win both these games w/o question. The next series at the Stadium more or less has to be swept. It has to to make a statement.
    Going into Fenway Park in April is really a victory as long as we’re not swept. If we’re swept, then you have to take stock and start getting those starters really rolling.

  8. Teixeiramvp (JobaCyYoung) April 26th, 2009 at 11:45 am

    By the way, our bullpen HAS TO, HAS TO, HAS TO improve.
    If Melancon’s as good as they say he is, let’s hope he proves it.

  9. Doreen April 26th, 2009 at 11:46 am

    (Copied from prior thread.)

    Steve –

    Are there any bona fide “stoppers” left in baseball? This is not a snide remark but an honest question. It seems to me that these days, the guys who are good enough to put the stop on are instead closers, who end up pitching the ninth inning. Yes, they shorten the game, and I don’t want to disrespect someone like Mariano, but generally speaking, their job is easy.

    I think the save statistic and the way saves are awarded is not always valid or accurate. A true save is the guy who comes in with the bases loaded (whatever inning that is) or a trouble situation, and puts the brakes on, and getting the game back on track.
    Unfortunately, middle relief is devalued.

    Relief pitchers want to be closers because ahem that’s where the money is. A relief pitcher who is consistently good at stopping rallies doesn’t get rewarded at contract time, necessarily. But he might get rewarded with a closing role at some point. I don’t know if I’m making sense, but the whole things seeems topsy-turvy to me.

  10. randy l. April 26th, 2009 at 11:59 am

    just a side note, but fenway park is an advantage for the red sox. from their point of view it’s a good thing. they do get a home field advantage there which is how it should be. historically the numbers totally back that.

    the quirkiness of the park allows them to get players who play well there. the old yankee stadium did that too for the yankees. the new one could be a big home field advantage too, but it’ll take some time i think.

    the fans don’t seem to be right on top of the field like in fenway and that takes away some from the intensity of the fans. in fenway when a rally starts the place goes crazy. i think that gives a little edge to the red sox over time.

    i don’t know how much , but it’s another of those little micro edges that don’t seem to matter much but that has separated the two teams since 2004. all those little edges add up

    hopefully pettitte will win tonight and all will be well -sort of.
    10-8 and only one game behind the red sox would be like found money.
    what a good deal considering the uneven way things are going.

  11. Glenn April 26th, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    Every team with the exception of a few are getting their feet wet into the season.
    Teams like Toronto, Seattle, and Florida will eventually fall into the pack and teams like Boston will find that their home record doesn’t equate to their road record.
    The Yankees are just being caught injured and out of sorts but they will jell.
    Peaks and valleys ….

  12. Teixeiramvp (JobaCyYoung) April 26th, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    Yanks should take a leson from Marty Brodeur.
    Brodeur lost a heartnreaker a few days ago when the winning ppuck crossed the net with .02 seconds left.
    Marty was furious. He thought there should’ve been interference, which was not called of course.
    He was mad at losing a heartbreaker. So what he do? He came out next game and shut out the Hurricanes 1-0 after making 44 saves.
    Yankees mad they lost 2 heartbreakers? Do something about it.

  13. Teixeiramvp (JobaCyYoung) April 26th, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    randy l.-One problem with that logic.
    Why since 2004? What happened in 2004 that made it so much more special than before that?
    YS will be a good advantage.

  14. V Torch April 26th, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    The “guts” of this team is correlated to their pitching.

    AJ showed no guts yesterday, so the team looked bad.

    The team looked like they had guts against the 13 inning game against Oakland because the bullpen put up 0s.

    The bullpen and especially the pitching need to get sorted out. Andy is the only one who has earned his paycheck.

  15. Nick April 26th, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    Melancon better be the savior we hope he is.

    Otherwise, Cash needs to make a deal for some relief help. You can’t put Joba in the pen because we need him in the rotation with Wang out.

  16. Rebecca-Optimist Prime April 26th, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    “Yanks should take a leson from Marty Brodeur.
    Brodeur lost a heartnreaker a few days ago when the winning ppuck crossed the net with .02 seconds left.
    Marty was furious. He thought there should’ve been interference, which was not called of course.
    He was mad at losing a heartbreaker. So what he do? He came out next game and shut out the Hurricanes 1-0 after making 44 saves.
    Yankees mad they lost 2 heartbreakers? Do something about it.”

    Why hello there, new best friend!

    V Torch: Before yesterday’s game I’m guessing you wudda said that AJ had earned his paycheck, too…

  17. RDG April 26th, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    Still can’t believe our $82 million dollar man couldn’t hold a 6-0 lead. That was an Oliver Perez type performance. Cruising for 3 innings, have a big lead, then implode.

    AJ has gotta have more mental toughness than that.

  18. Betsy April 26th, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    V Torch, AJ had one bad game……..were you saying he didn’t earn his paycheck after his first three games?

  19. Betsy April 26th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    RDG, it happens…….again, where were you his first three games when AJ stopped the losing streaks? In each of those games, he had to give the team innings after truly horrendous performances…….and he did. We were all praising his toughness in Baltimore, in Tampa (granted, he was dominant, but after the rough 7th, he came out and had a great 8th inning after the Yankees had scored) and against Cleveland where he held the fort. It doesn’t take a lot to get people to jump off bandwagons, does it?

  20. Danny April 26th, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    AJ has had one real good game against Tampa

    Against Baltimore he went 5.1 innings and gave up 2 runs and was living on the edge.

    Against Cleveland, he went 6.1 and gave up 3 runs and walked 7 guys and was extremely lucky he didn’t give up more.

    Yesterday obviously was a disaster.

    Let’s not pretend that AJ has been lights out like Santana or Greinke. He has been lucky, but has given us a chance to win… if it was Dice-K who put up those stat lines, we would be saying the same thing.

  21. Chris April 26th, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    You guys are chastizing Burnett because he had one bad game? Pitchers blow leads. It happens. You move on to the next day. What happened yesterday, however frustrating as it was, is in the past. Who cares if we were up 11 – 0 and lost 12 – 11? A loss is a loss and all you can do is move on. It doesn’t matter if the Yankees “should’ve” held onto the lead or anything. It’s done with. We’ve got a game tonight at 8pm and that’s all that matters. One game at a time, one inning at a time. That’s what the Yankees (and fans alike) need to focus on.

  22. 96 Yanks April 26th, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    Burnett’s BAL and CLE starts were anything but dominating.

    He gave us a chance to win, which is all that matters. But he can’t expect to pitch like that everytime and get away with it. Though his career numbers indicate thats what he tries to do. Games like he had against Tampa are few and far between.

  23. Carl April 26th, 2009 at 12:27 pm

    Joba limited the damage on Friday too, but most would agree he was extremely lucky and didn’t pitch that well. Same with CC on opening day against the Indians.

    Even Lester got lucky that we didn’t get more off him.

  24. G. Love April 26th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    I have faith in Andy tonight. In fact, I’ve found myself this season feeling like it’s taking too long to get him back on the mound. Like his start should have come up sooner.

    This weekend has been a debacle and the Yankees need to salvage a win.

    I’m tired of the blowout double digit games though. I don’t know what buttons Girardi needs to push, but it seems like some of the pen arms just can’t do the job.

    It’s like the moment they come in the ice is already cracking and they’re trying to stay afloat.

    The starters have been worse.

    This 5 inning start garbage has to stop.

    If all these guys can do is go 5.1 innings, then they should have stuck with Hughes and Kennedy.

    The amount of innings this bullpen has had to throw has exposed them and it’s exactly the same recipe for doom that we had last season.

    Starters can’t give length. Pen gets overused. Offense is constantly in catch up mode.

    I’d like to see this team dominate for a stretch instead of walk on egg shells.

    We got into an interesting discussion about how since 2004 the pressure seems to get to Yankees in pressure situations.

    I think this team has a psychological issue. Not a talent one.

    And I’m starting to think that Girardi is the wrong kind of leader for a team that needs an attitude makeover and needs to start believing in themselves and finding a swagger.

    Not bridge jumping here, but “it’s only April” is only applicable for a few more days.

    I’m tired of watching this team try to find itself and then play itself into a sprint do or die situation every year.

    You think they would have learned from that by now.

  25. west coast April 26th, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    Despite the Burnett choke job, we still re-took the lead at 10-9 in the 7th inning.

    The bullpen gave up 8 runs in their 3 innings of work yesterday. Veras, Albaladejo, Marte, Robertson, Edwar continued their inconsistent ways.

  26. SJ44 April 26th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    AJ has been oupitched by Carl Pavano and blew a six run lead to the Red Sox in his last 2 starts. That’s not what they paid 82.5 million for when they signed him.

    The pitching and hitting with RISP has been embarrassing so far this season. Anyone believing otherwise is delusional.

    Both areas have to improve or this team won’t be competitive this year.

    No excuses. They need to find solutions. If they can’t, it’s time to make changes at every level of the baseball side of the organization at the end of the year.

    This season will tell us a lot about where this organization is going the next few years.

    So far, they aren’t distinguishing themselves well to start this season.

  27. hardwired April 26th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    Short of some sort of biblical disaster, things literally could not have gone any worse for the Yanks to this point.

    And guess what…they are still in the thick of things. Oh, and October is HALF A YEAR AWAY.

    If they repeat the 21-29 start from 2007, I might be alarmed. Otherwise, color me not too panicked.

  28. Buddy Biancalana April 26th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    Not the real SJ44! Trolls be gone!

  29. SJ44 April 26th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    No, it’s me. Still on the road though so I can’t expound on my thoughts.

    I’m tired of the excuses Buddy. I don’t care who is hurt, what month it is, or any other excuses for bad performances.

    Just get the job done. Period. No excuses, no nothing.

    Get rid of the dead weight on the roster and get it done.

    If not, and they fumble and bumble through another non-playoff season, it’s time for new leadership.

    Hopefully, it won’t get to that stage.

  30. Betsy April 26th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    Danny, I guess we’ll just agree to disagree. He was good against Baltimore – it was his first start in pinstripes and pitching against the home crowd. He made a huge pitch to Huff – that showed a lot. After that game, people were thrilled with AJ. We can’t go back now and say that it was a so-so game – it’s not fair. As to Cleveland, how many times do we ask our SP to battle without his best stuff? AJ does that and is getting knocked for it? It all comes down to luck? Andy has made a career of giving up a lot of hits and mostly minimizing the damage; has his whole career been lucky? Apparently not since he has the rep as a battler.

    SJ, I usually agree with you, but I think you’re being pretty harsh on AJ. First off, how he pitches has nothing to do with Pavano. Just because AJ is getting paid a lot of $$$ doesn’t mean he should be expected to pitch 7 or 8 nnings of shut out ball all the time. You could say then that no players (because they are all making a lot of $$$) should ever struggle. I’ll take AJ’s first three starts any day of the week (and 96Yanks, the Yankees took a risk on based on what they think he’s going to do in the future, not what he did in the past – except for 2nd half of last year). Why don’t we go back to the AJ game threads and read the comments. Again, people were drooling over this guy. One bad game and it all goes to pieces.

    I see no solution to the lack of hitting with RISP. What are the Yankees going to do? Get rid of Jeter (who has been very good with 2 outs and RISP)? Posada? A-Rod when he comes back? Tex hasn’t even warmed up yet and he still has done well with RISP.

  31. Nick April 26th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    Whether or not that’s the real SJ, he is 100% right

    They need to stop the excuses and just win or there will be consequences, both on the field and in management/FO.

  32. Lorin Duckman April 26th, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    I must be looking at a different team than everyone else. The pitching staff doesn’t look real good. Sabbathia. Burnett. Wong. Joba doesn’t throw anywhere as hard as he used to. Sox didn’t miss many swings. Andy cannot start 30 times can he? Forgeddaboud the pen. Who are those guys, anyway? Outfield defense is questionable. Infield defense? Even with A-Rod, Jeter doesn’t move into the hole or even do his left field throws like he used to. Everyone will run on the pitchers when they have to and Jorge will not get them. They are not going to win the close ones, assuming there will be some. And they won’t blow anyone out, because they don’t drive in runners in scoring position.

  33. Orange J April 26th, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    Can we stop making excuses for Burnett?

    In Baltimore he was nervous because it was his first start
    Against Tampa he was nervous to pitch against the AL champs
    Against Cleveland he was nervous to pitch at Yankee Stadium
    Yesterday, he was nervous to pitch in Fenway.

    The guy can’t have a bad game without making him sound like a mental midget and can’t control his nerves or handle pressure?

    What will happen if he pitches in a playoff game? He gets a pass for a bad performance because he was nervous pitching his first October game?

    Enough with the excuses.

  34. SJ44 April 26th, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    Betsy,

    Bottom line, he’s being paid as a top end starting pitcher. Yesterday, meltdown, regardless of the opponent, is unacceptable.

    As far as I’m concerned, the motto for this year is, “No Excuses”.

    If he can’t hold 6 run leads, it’s a big problem.

    You want the big money? Then you take on the scrutiny.

    It comes with the territory.

    No Excuses.

  35. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! April 26th, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    SJ44, that is quite the turn of events in terms of your opinion of the team. Last week, you wee chastising people for not appreciating how well the Yanks were playing w/o A-Rod. Now, you are saying they are a bunch of bums who need to do better. I told you last week that their God awful play with RISP was going to come back and bite them on the rear end. Glad to see that you’ve come around to my way of thinking.

  36. Betsy April 26th, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    Orange, I hardly think AJ needs any excuses for any of his first 3 starts…….and what are you talking about with this Tampa game? Sheesh. Again, one bad game clouds peoples judgments, but whatever.

  37. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! April 26th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    The only people making excuses for AJ are the fans. AJ didn’t make any excuses yesterday. He looked totally disgusted with himself to me, which he should be.

  38. m April 26th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    Okay, I’m going to chime in here.

    SJ44, You need to do a similar, and more critical, analysis of CC.

  39. Fan Zone April 26th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    The problem is, a lot of you set your expectations wayyy too high.

    This is AJ Burnett, not Roy Halladay or Johan Santana. The same AJ Burnett with a 3.81 career ERA. He is not going to shut down lineups every 5th day. He may have the stuff to do it, but his performance doesn’t indicate that he will. A lot of guys have filthy stuff but don’t pitch up to that. AJ is one of these guys.

    He has games like this where he just loses it and has had a lot of games where he has no control. If you look at his game-by-game logs, this is really not that rare.

  40. Buddy Biancalana April 26th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    No way that’s the real SJ, his position is the exact opposite of what he has preached forever, especially the Joba to the bullpen bit the other day.

  41. John April 26th, 2009 at 1:25 pm

    “their God awful play with RISP was going to come back and bite them on the rear end. Glad to see that you’ve come around to my way of thinking.”

    That’s what it comes down to. All the talent in the world means nothing if you can’t hit with RISP. That has been just as much a problem in the playoffs as pitching.

    We should have scored 10 runs off CC in the playoffs in Cleveland. And we allowed Carmona to throw 9 innings against us of 1 run ball. And Paul Byrd stifled our lineup in an elimination game.

  42. raymagnetic April 26th, 2009 at 1:25 pm

    “The pitching and hitting with RISP has been embarrassing so far this season. Anyone believing otherwise is delusional.”

    SJ,

    They scored 11 runs yesterday. They had a 6-0 lead and then another late lead.

    The losses the past two days can not be put on the offense. Mariano blows a 2 run lead in the 9th and yesterday was a debacle for the pitching staff.

    If the pitching does what it’s supposed to do the offense is just fine.

  43. vtred April 26th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    Laura – Yep. Fans need to surround AJ with a million excuses rather than chalking it up to a bad game.

    And that does sound like the real SJ, just with a different position. Then again, I would think after 2 losses like this, a lot of us owuld have different perspectives than we did after the Oakland series.

  44. m April 26th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    Hmmm. SJ & CB post-game thoughts sound mighty familiar. Imposters?

  45. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! April 26th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    “The losses the past two days can not be put on the offense. Mariano blows a 2 run lead in the 9th and yesterday was a debacle for the pitching staff.”

    Sorry, but you are dead wrong here. How many times did we have the bases loaded with no outs and didn’t push a run home? 2 maybe 3 times? That kind of stuff comes back to get you in the end, like it did when Mo game up that bomb to Bay. Also, the lack of offense puts undue pressure on the pitchers as well. They are standing out on the mound, thinking that they can’t give up a run because the offense probably won’t give it back. How can you pitch well under that pressure? Now, that clearly doesn’t explain what the hell happened to AJ yesterday up 6-0, but it probably explains part of the bullpens woes. That and they just suck. :P

  46. Newark Bears April 26th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    Andy Pettitte would have never lost a 6 run lead.

  47. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! April 26th, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    How funny will it be if Andy wins tonight, continuing to be the only pitcher doing well so far? This, the guy the Yankees were nickel and dimeing. How ironic.

  48. Betsy April 26th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    Fan Zone, I’ve said before that the Yankees took a leap of faith that AJ’s future performance will exceed his past performance. I happen to believe that and I’m not willing to change my mind based on one game.

    Laura, I’m not making excuses. AJ had a bad game, no question about it – it was terribly disappointing. It matters to me even if it doesn’t mater to anyone else that the guy was so upset with himself that he stayed in uniform for hours after the game, tryinig to calm down. He cares a lot – I like to see that. I understand his past history, but I have taken that leap of faith and I just won’t let one game drag me down.

  49. Ca Vz April 26th, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    Friday’s game should not have been close.

    Bases loaded no outs twice… only 1 run. Of course, Mariano blew it and has to be able to close a game in Fenway, but we should have put that game away.

    Yesterday – The $82 million dollar man choked and the bullpen just thew gasoline on he fire. 11 runs should bring you home every time.

  50. SJ44 April 26th, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    Ray,

    They scored 11runs yesterday and were 3-17 with RISP. Their lack of hitting with RISP cost them the game on Friday night. It’s been a 2 1/2 year problem and there seems to be no end in sight.

    Laura,

    I’m not saying they are a, “bunch of bums”. Far from it.

    I’m saying enough of the excuses and get the job done.

    There is too much talent on this team to play this poorly.

    Just weed out the weak links in the bullpen, cut out the excuses and play better fundamental baseball.

  51. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! April 26th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    ” He cares a lot – I like to see that. I understand his past history, but I have taken that leap of faith and I just won’t let one game drag me down.”

    I liked that too about him. But he’s got to back up that passion with results. I’m still scratching my head about the game yesterday. He was cruising, making guys like Lowell look stupid at the plate. Then all of a sudden, the bottom drops out. How does that happen and happen so fast? Very odd.

  52. Betsy April 26th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    Believe me, I’m sure Andy will have games where he sucks, too…….

    Demanding an organizational restructuring (yet again) because the team doesn’t hit with RISP is pretty extreme. Well, Damon will be gone next year and so will Nady. Tex and Jeter have been good with RISP this year, but let’s say they haven’t been. What exactly are the solutions? Dump them both? It really hurts not having Alex in the lineup and also having Melky and Gardner………It would be one thing if the Yankees had mostly bad hitters in their lineup; what can you do when good hitters fail in the clutch? I just don’t see a solution.

  53. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! April 26th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    “Just weed out the weak links in the bullpen, cut out the excuses and play better fundamental baseball.”

    That’s the problem, SJ44. Right now, save for Mo and Bruney, the entire bullpen is a weak link. Does anyone not cringe when they see Veras, Ramirez and Alby heading into a game? I don’t know about you, but the sight of these guys makes me break out in hives.

    But what should Girardi do? Ship them all out and bring up the entire squad from Scranton? Actually, now that I think about it, that might not be such a bad idea. LOL!

  54. raymagnetic April 26th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    “Sorry, but you are dead wrong here. How many times did we have the bases loaded with no outs and didn’t push a run home? 2 maybe 3 times? That kind of stuff comes back to get you in the end, like it did when Mo game up that bomb to Bay. Also, the lack of offense puts undue pressure on the pitchers as well. They are standing out on the mound, thinking that they can’t give up a run because the offense probably won’t give it back. How can you pitch well under that pressure? Now, that clearly doesn’t explain what the hell happened to AJ yesterday up 6-0, but it probably explains part of the bullpens woes. That and they just suck.”

    No, I’m not dead wrong at all.

    AJ blew a 6 run lead and Mariano blew a 2 run lead.

    Those are the FACTS.

    Can’t pin a loss on the offense when they basically did their jobs and the pitchers blew both games.

    The Yankees are 4th in all of baseball in the major offensive categories without their best player and with at least 2 automatic outs on the team every night.

    You can’t pin losses on the offense when the pitching has been mediocre at best. If the pitchers signed to the hefty contracts do their jobs the team is in much better shape right now.

  55. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! April 26th, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    I forgot to mention Marte. That’s a contract the Yankees will regret for a long time to come because the guy sucks and I don’t see him getting any better anytime soon.

  56. S.o.S. April 26th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    Hmmm. SJ & CB post-game thoughts sound mighty familiar. Imposters?

    —————————–

    Forget registration. We need a fingerprint scanner and that eye scan thing as well. Im still feeling sick from the last two games. I need to lick my wounds and get back on the saddle by tomorrow.

    Hasta manana freiends.

    btw,
    Marte, ramirez, Veras need to go. Im not that fond of Albas stuff either but at least he has some good games in him. Time to bring some youngins in here.

  57. Betsy April 26th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    Laura, he has backed it up with results. One bad game does not make his other games crappy (whether he was dominant or not, the man saved the pen in those games. Just go back to his game threads – people were raving about him, about how he became a pitcher and not a thrower, how he bent but didn’t break). I understand people are disappointed with yesterdays game, but it’s simply not fair now to go back and criticize performances that didn’t deserve it because now everyone thinks AJ is a choker with a wimp mentality. I’m not one to place blame and I think he’s going to be fine, but maybe CC should come under a little more scrutiny. He’s been awful.

  58. m April 26th, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    Pitchers and bullpen blow leads. Offenses go dry and don’t provide run support sometimes.

    It all evens out and players know better than to point fingers. It’s the fans that get all crazy.

  59. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! April 26th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    “You can’t pin losses on the offense when the pitching has been mediocre at best. If the pitchers signed to the hefty contracts do their jobs the team is in much better shape right now.”

    But ray, if the offense had capitalized on all of those opportunities that they had, the lead would have been so large that it wouldn’t have mattered what the pitching did. In the game Mo blew, we should have been winning 8-2. Mo wouldn’t have even been in the game.

    In the end, all sides of the game are to blame. Offense, defense and pitching. It’s a group effort. They need to play better or they are looking at 3rd place again and Girardi will be looking for a new job next off season.

  60. raymagnetic April 26th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    Where do I find RISP numbers anyway?

  61. Rosa April 26th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    AJ had a terrible game, giving up 8 runs. Beckett also gave up 8 runs.

    Yanks bullpen gave up 8 runs.
    Sox bullpen gave up 3 runs.

    Yanks hitting .194 with RISP.
    Sox hitting .333 with RISP.

    AJ is being trashed. CC hasn’t been lights out either.

    Get a long man for this pen before you burn these guys out. Also, use some of the young guys out of the pen. They can’t do much worse.

  62. you gotta have faith (right porch giveth and the right porch taketh away) April 26th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    the way people are freaking out on here you would think they were 6-12 not 9-8. sheesh.

  63. Doreen April 26th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    Both sides are at fault. The pitching AND the hitting. In BOTH the previous games, either a well-placed hit OR a better pitching performance wins the game.

    It’s kind of silly to go round and round about who is to blame, when it’s clear there is not enough consistency on either end.

  64. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! April 26th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    ” I’m not one to place blame and I think he’s going to be fine, but maybe CC should come under a little more scrutiny. He’s been awful.”

    CC has been getting a pass because historically, he always sucks in April. I don’t agree with that, but that’s the way it is. I’m not saying that AJ has done a bad job. I thought his two wins following CMW’s disasters were a big lift for the team. I’m just saying that he’s got to win the close ones and the mini blowouts as well. If your team stakes you to a 6-0 lead, that’s when you dig in, not collapse.

  65. Rebecca-Optimist Prime April 26th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    SJ, I don’t like reading these posts…their too reactionary.

    Yes, the Yankees have problems, yes they need to figure it out.

    They’re still over .500 while missing their best hitter, one of their (supposedly) better pitchers and in the past few weeks have been bitten by the injury bug.

    They are still giving themselves a chance to win nearly every game. If the bullpen did its job, we’d be up 2-0 on Boston. Alas, stuff happens, and this is not the case.

    We’re not getting killed here.

    Chin up, we’ll be fine.

  66. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! April 26th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    “the way people are freaking out on here you would think they were 6-12 not 9-8. sheesh.”

    I’m not freaking out. If it were August 15th and they were still playing like this, I’d be freaking out. Right now, I’m just mildly concerned.

  67. raymagnetic April 26th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    “But ray, if the offense had capitalized on all of those opportunities that they had, the lead would have been so large that it wouldn’t have mattered what the pitching did. In the game Mo blew, we should have been winning 8-2. Mo wouldn’t have even been in the game.”

    If if were a fifth we’d all be drunk right now.

    The bottom line is the pitching lost the last 2 games that they seemingly had in hand.

    Mariano normally doesn’t lose 2 run leads in the 9th inning with 2 outs.

    The last time the Yankees lost a 6-0 game to the Red Sox @ Fenway was 1969 – 40 years ago.

    The pitching hasn’t been doing it’s job the entire year and a lot of that you can put on the starters.

    When was the last time one of the Yankees starters pitched into the 7th inning and how many times has it happened this year?

    The pitching right now is TERRIBLE. But I believe they’ll improve.

    I know for certain the offense will improve once A-Rod gets back.

  68. Trevor April 26th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    Half this blog wanted Vares and Edwar Ramirez in the pen in ST. I was one of the few that said that they both stink and I would rather go with Robertson and Melancon.
    When is a long man coming up? There are now two kids in the rotation (pitching back to back) who you can not expect to go deep into a game. And they pitching against Detroit who can hit.
    Besides the starters not going deep and Wang being terrible another reason why the pen is worn out or on the verge of being there is the poor decision in ST not to go with a long man.
    Joba and Hughes are now in the rotation. I think it would be wise for the team to get Aceves up here.

  69. Dee April 26th, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    i just think the smartest move right now would be to bring in a long man. despite the fact that i had to shut the tv off the last two games, i really do think we have great potential in this team.

  70. m April 26th, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    But if I were to assign blame, it’d be the pitching. We’ve only scored less than 4 runs in one game. Complete flip from last season when we couldn’t buy a run.

  71. Betsy April 26th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    Laura, I understand that – but it was one game. AJ had a terrible game where he just didn’t get it done…… It happens to everyone. It’s a long season and, for me, I think he is going to come up aces for this team. If some have lost faith, then so be it.

  72. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! April 26th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    “The pitching right now is TERRIBLE. But I believe they’ll improve.”

    Agreed, but the offense has to shoulder some of the blame as well. ray, we will just have to agree to disagree in part on this one. :)

  73. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! April 26th, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    “Laura, I understand that – but it was one game. AJ had a terrible game where he just didn’t get it done…… It happens to everyone. It’s a long season and, for me, I think he is going to come up aces for this team. ”

    I hope you are right, Betsy. Time will tell.

  74. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! April 26th, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    “Complete flip from last season when we couldn’t buy a run.”

    Or steal one for that matter. I am pleased that they are scoring even with A-Rod gone and some automatic outs in the lineup. Still, they have to do better. Bases loaded with no one out and you can’t plate one guy? That’s simply unacceptable.

  75. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury - signifying nothing. April 26th, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    I’m still scratching my head about the game yesterday. He was cruising, making guys like Lowell look stupid at the plate. Then all of a sudden, the bottom drops out. How does that happen and happen so fast? Very odd.

    ****************
    It was VERY odd. Like Jekyll and Hyde literally.

    I wondered if he got frustrated with not getting strike calls, set out to prove a point and ended up losing focus and thereby command.

    “He has games like this where he just loses it and has had a lot of games where he has no control. If you look at his game-by-game logs, this is really not that rare.”

    *********************

    True, but usually in games like that, he mostly doesn’t have command from the start. Yesterday he had great command for 5 innings and then looked like an entirely different pitcher.

    “Does anyone not cringe when they see Veras, Ramirez and Alby heading into a game? I don’t know about you, but the sight of these guys makes me break out in hives.”

    *****

    I only break out in hives when I see them bullpen being exposed early in a game yet again. Personally, I think overall the bullpen they have is adequate – WHEN they’re not overexposed to the degree they have been. The way I see it, thats a direct result of bad starting pitching and also a lack of clutch hitting in being able to put up enough runs to buffer a pitcher having a bad start. The yankee offense puts plenty of runners on base, what they fall short in is bringing a decent percentage of them home.

    The answer is, everyone doing their job.

  76. Betsy April 26th, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    Trevor, Robertson is no savior. I like him and he’s got talent, but there were times he got knocked around last year and apparently he got knocked around yesterday. Melancon is no savior either – I need to see it from him. He will have his good moments and his bad, like every other young pitcher.

    Only AJ and Andy have consistently gotten us to the 7th – the SP overall has been dreadful. CC needs to step up NOW……and yes, it’s a problem having Joba and Hughes in the rotation. The pen is exhausted – I don’t want to judge them just yet.

  77. raymagnetic April 26th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    This is where the Yankees offense ranks in the AL with 2 or 3 automatic outs in the lineup every night.

    Runs – 4th
    Hits – 2nd
    BB – 2nd
    SO – 7th
    BA – 4th
    OBP – 3rd
    OPS – 3rd
    Total Bases – 3rd

    This is where the Yankee pitching Ranks in the AL

    Hits – 10th
    Runs – *13th
    ER – *14th

    Or in other words the pitching staff is the WORST in the AL.

    I believe they’ll be better once the starters straighten themselves out, but it’s obvious what part of the team is the weak link right now.

  78. Fran April 26th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    “Only AJ and Andy have consistently gotten us to the 7th”

    That’s why the Yankees need a long man out of the bullpen. Girardi is having to use the bullpen too often, too early, and for too many innings.

  79. Glenn April 26th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    i’m somewhat disappointed with the way that Girardi has managed the bullpen thus far as compared to last year but the RISP situation is no better than last year with the end result of putting more pressure on the bullpen itself.
    Good teams know how and when to put the opposition away by getting enough insurance runs and giving pitchers a cushion.
    Yesterday was the extreme example of playing catch up baseball after having a 6-run lead.

  80. Sean Serritella April 26th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    I’m looking forward to Melancon. I hear he has some major heat.

  81. m April 26th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    Marc Jackson during the Celtics game just now, “C’mon Yankee pitching staff. You’re better than that!”

    LOL. I think he’s lurking on the blog so he doesn’t slap Jeff Van Gundy in the head.

  82. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption April 26th, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    I mentioned him about 10 days ago but I’m going to point everybody’s attention to Greinke again since Danny brought him up already.

    This guy is 4-0 with 2 complete games 36K in 29IP 0 ER 0.86 WHIP 0.186 BAA …. WOW

  83. Steve B April 26th, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    “CC has been getting a pass because historically, he always sucks in April. I don’t agree with that, but that’s the way it is.”

    You shoudn’t agree. CC is bad in April is a myth. He has at times been bad in April, but before 2008 this wasn’t really true:

    2007 3-0 3.18 ERA, 5 starts
    2006 0-1 11.57 ERA, 1 start then to the DL
    2005 2-0 0.92 ERA, 3 starts
    2004 1-0 1.71 ERA, 3 starts
    2003 0-2 3.79 ERA, 6 starts

    HIstorically, Sabathia’s bad month is actually July.

  84. Steve B April 26th, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    “This is where the Yankee pitching Ranks in the AL

    Hits – 10th
    Runs – *13th
    ER – *14th”

    One of the shocking stats I saw the other day is that the Yankees were dead last in the AL in percentage of pitches in which the opposition has swung and missed. 16% or so. Given the additions to the rotation and the increase in power arms in the pen, this is a bit shocking.

  85. SJ44 April 26th, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    Rebecca,

    Mike Tyson had a saying, “Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face”.

    Well, the Yankees have been punched in the face this week.

    Injuries, poor starts, worse bullpen work, poor hitting with RISP.

    Here’s what I don’t want from the Yankees this year. Denial.

    Last year, they were in denial about the offense for most of the season. Meaning, they didn’t make necessary changes.

    I don’t want them living in denial and waiting too long to make changes.

    They had a plan going into the season but, it’s not working. Especially, the pen. So, change it.

    Melancon is a start. More needs to be done.

    Hopefully, it’s done sooner rather than later.

  86. Betsy April 26th, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    Fran, we definitely need a long man now. Tomko has been closing in AAA, so it can’t be him. I’m not a fan of Aceves, but if we have to give up games (let him take one or two for the team) in order to save the pen, then that’s what we have to do.

    Again, not much we can do about the hitting with RISP. It’s not an organizational thing – we have good hitters (and a couple of lousy ones) who many times just don’t get it done. So be it – if the Yankees aren’t good enough, then they aren’t good enough. I agree that this lack of clutch hitting puts an undue burden on the pitching, but the pitching has been dreadful anyway (except for AJ and Andy). It’s not like we are losing 3-2, 4-3 games. We’re getting blown out…….

  87. Trevor April 26th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    The rain out against Oakland Monday screwed up the order of the rotation.
    Two lefty’s are pitching back to back. And you got now 2 kids who if you don’t break them up in the rotation, will kill the pen with there daily short outings.
    That’s a problem. And there’s no off day coming soon to rearrange the the rotation. Hope for a rain out I guess. :?
    Still puzzled by no long man. Maybe I’m wrong but I think the Yankees (Cashman Girardi) got a bit c0cky coming out of ST as far as rotation is concerned. And they likely thought that these guys would rarely struggle at the start of the season. Why they still refuse to go with a long man is beyond me.
    It’s important that Pettitte goes deep tonight AND Sabathia tomorrow otherwise…………….Yikes!

  88. Betsy April 26th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    SJ, I just don’t see what the Yankees can do about some of these issues. They made the changes – and you have commented that they were the right ones. They focused on pitching and brought in Tex. CC has not pitched well – he will, I’m sure. AJ has except for one start – what can you do? I’m going to assume that he’s going to be fine. Wang will eventually be fine……Not sure about Joba, but he is the 5th starter. Unfortunately, they now have two kids in the rotation, but what can be done about that?

    I just don’t see what changes can be made to make this team hit – they have good hitters who don’t come through many times. What can you do? They probably should have traded Melky/Igawa for Cameron – not probably, they should have.

    What would you like to see them do with the pen ?

  89. bodhisattva April 26th, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    Betsy
    April 26th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
    SJ, … They probably should have traded Melky/Igawa for Cameron – not probably, they should have.
    ================

    They most certainly should NOT have. Cameron is 36 years old w/declining outfield skills, doesn’t even hit the right way for the Stadium, especially considering his only medium power potential, and is a K waiting to happen.

    We need DEFENSE from CF – we don’t need another fading player at a key DEFENSIVE position. Sorry, no offense, but this is certainly one move we should NOT have made, and I’m glad we realized that.

  90. gotta go to mo's? April 26th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    SJ44 – what in your opinion should be done? its easy to say make a change but tell us what change? who in the minors can be brought up that is better than what they have on the team now?

    if melancon turns back into a pumpkin (which he might as he’s never pitched in the majors before)and robertson and jackson get smacked around what changes can be made? trades? who is going to trade with the yankees in april? if cash and girardi had answers don’t you think they would have tried them by now? why do you think girardi leaves cc in facing holliday and leaves aj in way too long yesterday? because they have NO ONE they can trust.

  91. Jumbo April 26th, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    Are there any websites that have more of that info on all time records (i.e. yankees records all-time against various teams.) That stuff is neat, but I can’t find it anywhere.


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