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Bad blood bubbling over

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on May 05, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Lots going on …

Joe Girardi thought Boston 1B coach Tim Bogar was stealing signs or location. Girardi yelled out, “You’re going to get somebody hurt,” to Bogar, indicating that the Yankees would drill a hitter.

Bogar responded with a few choice words of his own. I can’t write those words here. J.D. Drew got hit with a pitch in the seventh inning. Coincidence?

“I’m not going to comment on that. It’s baseball men being baseball men,” Girardi said. “It’s just something I thought I saw and just leave it at that.”

Not to get all WWE about it, but it’s good to see some actual bad blood. The rivalry has been a little too namby pamby the last few years.

Meanwhile, Girardi and the Yankees were furious with the strike zone of Jerry Meals.

“It was the calls for the whole night,” Girardi said.

Said Derek Jeter: “Obviously I didn’t agree with it. But that’s part of the game. I didn’t agree with some of the pitches but there’s much you can say about that.”

Jeter has never been ejected in his career and almost never argues. For him to even talk about the umpires is a sign of how mad he was

The most composed guy in the clubhouse afterward was Phil Hughes. He said that while he would have liked to get some of the pitches, he didn’t want to use it as an excuse.

The bad news for the Yankees is that Jorge Posada appears to have a serious hamstring injury. This strain is located above the last one that kept him out of the lineup for two days last week. He told the Yankees he felt something grab.

Posada will get an MRI today. The only other catcher on the 40-man roster is Francisco Cervelli, who is in AA. I would guess that the Yankees would call up one of the catchers from AAA and make a 40-man move.

The loss of Posada for an extended period, as we saw last season, would be a huge blow. We’ll find out more tomorrow.

Thanks to everybody for reading tonight. Back at it tomorrow — I mean later today.

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71 Responses to “Bad blood bubbling over”

  1. Dan May 5th, 2009 at 2:06 am

    Sure, it’s nice to see bad blood, but it is all one-sided.

    They own us and are laughing at us.

  2. Brandon "We are all going to meet Berroa under the Oneill banner" "I LOVE ME SOME ME !" May 5th, 2009 at 2:07 am

    LOL nothing like the game within the game.

  3. vtred May 5th, 2009 at 2:08 am

    Trade Ian Kennedy for one of the Texas catchers.

  4. Al from BK May 5th, 2009 at 2:09 am

    “Girardi yelled out, “You’re going to get somebody hurt,” to Bogar, indicating that the Yankees would drill a hitter.”

    Glad Joe is at least showing some spine. His team doesn’t share his passion unfortunately, and the ump being on the take for Sox nation all night didn’t help.

  5. M May 5th, 2009 at 2:10 am

    This may be a stupid question, but how could Girardi tell Bogar was stealing signs or location?

  6. Thomas May 5th, 2009 at 2:11 am

    I’m done with baseball for a while… I’m going to concentrate on the Jets instead a bit early.

  7. G. Love May 5th, 2009 at 2:13 am

    I actually think Girardi realized there was no edge to the games against the Sox and everyone was too comfy with one another.

    A little bad blood helps.

    The catching situation is desperate now and there’s nothing on another major league roster that is available for us to trade for. Not to mention anything available will have a price tag that is ridiculous.

    The thing that I need to see and hear from Cashman this time is that he’s going to find a replacement and we’re not going to sit and wait for Jorge to get better.

    Jorge is old now. This is what happens to old catchers.

    Cashman has to find a solution somewhere that is not an automatic out.

    I don’t know where he’s going to find it and don’t start saying he should trade Kennedy for Salty or you’ll sound like a moron.

    Since there appears to be no real minor league option he needs to find someone in another organization.

    I know Josh Bard is in AAA now. Perhaps he’s gettable?

  8. trisha - click to see my bigger and better Opening Day pictures May 5th, 2009 at 2:15 am

    Pete, saw the same thing watching the postgame. Every person interviewed mentioned the umpires strike zone. Jeter really probably said more than he realized but then said he didn’t want to say anything more because they would probably have to play games with that same umpire again. I’ve never seen Jeter publicly mention an umpire’s strike zone, and certainly not go on about it the way he did.

    Meals was awful and may have affected the outcome of the game.

  9. Brandon "We are all going to meet Berroa under the Oneill banner" "I LOVE ME SOME ME !" May 5th, 2009 at 2:15 am

    I’d rather go after Ronny Paulino or Salty

  10. F7 TD May 5th, 2009 at 2:16 am

    Remember the days when the Knicks were playing into mid/late May and we didn’t focus 100% on baseball until they were eliminated?

    Sigh….

  11. Al from BK May 5th, 2009 at 2:16 am

    “I’m done with baseball for a while… I’m going to concentrate on the Jets instead a bit early.”

    I’m right there with you Tom. Training camp is in a few months and I am looking forward to the “Franchez” winning the QB battle.

  12. Fire all the umps May 5th, 2009 at 2:17 am

    If the Yankee pitchers had gotten the same strike zone as the Boston pitchers, it would be a Yankee win, no doubt about it.

  13. Donnie May 5th, 2009 at 2:17 am

    This is just an absolutely helpless feeling. There is absolutely nothing we can do but sit by and watch as the season turns in to a mess REAL quick. It’d be real nice if we could just turn our emotions about it on and off, but it doesn’t work that way. Watching them struggle, and looking at that lineup, and thinking how good we SHOULD be, but instead seeing them trot out a 6 man lineup…It hurts. It honest to God hurts.

    I want to go put my fist through an inanimate object.

  14. Al from BK May 5th, 2009 at 2:17 am

    “Remember the days when the Knicks were playing into mid/late May and we didn’t focus 100% on baseball until they were eliminated?

    Sigh….”

    John Starks, Allan Houston, Patrick Ewing, Charles Oakley, Larry Johnson, where are you? :(

  15. Dave May 5th, 2009 at 2:18 am

    We’ve officially been chopped and screwed.

  16. Art Vandelay May 5th, 2009 at 2:18 am

    The home plate umpire called a crappy game. That “strike” on Jeter wasn’t even close.

    I don’t know about all of you but Jonathan Papelbon’s obnoxiousness is pretty close to Curt Schilling levels. His fist pumping and celebrating on the mound is pretty ridiculous.

    Other than that, we need to start pitching and stop leaving runners on base. Losing four in a row to the Red Sox makes me sick.

  17. G. Love May 5th, 2009 at 2:18 am

    Brandon please…don’t start the blog clamoring for Salty.

    You want to trade Hughes for him? Hughes and Melancon?

    You know that’s what it’s going to take.

    Don’t let people in here start the Kennedy and Veras for Salty charge or this place will be filled with idiocy.

    What do you want trade for Salty and think the Rangers would accept?

    Please don’t forget they held the Red Sox up for 2-3 of their top prospects this off season.

  18. CaptainsCorner May 5th, 2009 at 2:19 am

    When Arod comes back they can deal with having Molina’s bat in the lineup if one of the center fielders can actually consistently hit. Gardner slaps at the ball and good teams know to throw Melky pitches out of the strike zone because he will swing at them. Having 1 bad bat is fine but not 3 like they have now. That puts way too much pressure on the top of the lineup.

  19. Zolio May 5th, 2009 at 2:21 am

    Cash needs to go out and get Mike Cameron

    Atleast remove one of the automatic outs in the lineup

  20. Zach in Port Jeff May 5th, 2009 at 2:22 am

    To add insult to injury (literally), Big Papi even got a few hits.

  21. CB May 5th, 2009 at 2:24 am

    Last year when that player from the Rays crashed the plate in spring training and broke Cervelli’s leg people were outraged.

    But we’re only feeling the impact of that move right now.

    The problem with that play and the injury to Cervelli was that it cost him an entire year of development during the last year before he needed to be placed on the 40 man roster.

    That’s a problem because right now he’s still in AA and hasn’t played baseball in a year.

    And at the same time he’s taking up space on the 40 man roster.

    Without that injury he’s most likely in AAA and would be a much better candidate to call up to the majors in a pinch.

    It’s only now that ridiculous play in spring training last year is manifesting itself.

  22. Nick in SF May 5th, 2009 at 2:24 am

    “This may be a stupid question, but how could Girardi tell Bogar was stealing signs or location?”

    Selena broke the story in the 2nd inning. :)

  23. PC Dan May 5th, 2009 at 2:24 am

    If you want two young pitchers in the rotation, you have to deal with their growing pains.

    Andy is a #5 starter

    Burnett has a 3.81 career ERA and his arm has never matched his results.

    CC, who knows? Maybe he takes longer to adjust to NY completely.

    And as we know, we don’t have anything close to a bullpen.

    The pitching has to figure it out now. Or we’re just going to continue to sink.

  24. ePic May 5th, 2009 at 2:24 am

    “His fist pumping and celebrating on the mound is pretty ridiculous.”

    Why? Joba used to do the same thing. There is nothing wrong with a player showing passion and emotion on the mound. Especially in the case of a strikeout with the bases loaded in the ninth inning.

  25. Art Vandelay May 5th, 2009 at 2:24 am

    I wonder if Big Papi is struggling because of the late-career effects of steroid use. (Me wondering if Big Papi is on the juice.)

    Although the A-Rod ‘roid use has been documented ad nauseum, why doesn’t the media find the other 100+ plus names? I’m sure the cream and clear made it to the home clubhouse on Yawkey Way.

  26. We Miss Paulie May 5th, 2009 at 2:24 am

    Sol let me get this straight. If Cano gets a hit, this team is amazing. But since he didn’t, we’re totally cooked?

    They were one swing away from winning this. That’s baseball, come back tomorrow and win.

  27. k42 May 5th, 2009 at 2:25 am

    let’s all step off the cliff until tomorrow when we figure out what the mri says. we all likewise assumed that nady would be gone forever. could be just a strain, or a 15 day thing.

  28. Al from BK May 5th, 2009 at 2:26 am

    “Mike Cameron”

    We should have gotten him in the off-season for Melky or IPK straight up. He may be old but hes a real ballplayer out there in CF.

  29. M May 5th, 2009 at 2:26 am

    Nick,

    Haha I see. Well, thank goodness she was there to notify us all! Don’t know where we would be without her reporting skills!

  30. Freddy May 5th, 2009 at 2:29 am

    Mike Cameron is hardly the answer. When Alex comes back, we don’t need an all-or-nothing hitter batting ninth. If Gardner can learn how to keep the ball out of the air, and stop taking fastball strikes down the middle, he’s the perfect guy. Those two things aren’t overly difficult, hopefully he can figure it out. While Melky’s looked good, I’m of the belief that Melky is just a pedestrian ballplayer.

  31. CaptainsCorner May 5th, 2009 at 2:32 am

    By the way Cervelli is in AA hitting all of .190…

  32. Al from BK May 5th, 2009 at 2:33 am

    “If Gardner can learn how to keep the ball out of the air, and stop taking fastball strikes down the middle, he’s the perfect guy.”

    I think we are all overestimating Gardner. Perhaps he is what he is a utility OF who plays solid D and can get a few slap hits. I thought it was absurd when people were claiming he could be Pedroia if he wanted to. I think I have seen enough of the GGBG experiment. Is he an asset to the team? Sure. Is he a starting caliber CF? No.

  33. Al from BK May 5th, 2009 at 2:34 am

    Time for Jesus Montero ;) lol jk

  34. RGR May 5th, 2009 at 2:38 am

    “I think we are all overestimating Gardner. Perhaps he is what he is a utility OF who plays solid D and can get a few slap hits. I thought it was absurd when people were claiming he could be Pedroia if he wanted to. I think I have seen enough of the GGBG experiment. Is he an asset to the team? Sure. Is he a starting caliber CF? No.”

    Same EXACT thing can be said about Melky.

    It doesnt matter though, because our season is over if Posada is out longer than 2 weeks. Call me negative, and I am always one to say were in it until officially eliminated, but we showed we arent playoff material without Posada in the lineup every day last season.

  35. GreenBeret7 May 5th, 2009 at 2:41 am

    They need to remove Cervelli from the 40 man roster. His bat is virtually non-existant and his defense isn’t all that special. Very few if any team is going to put a AA catcher that can’t hit on their 25 man roster. If they do lose him, it’s hardly a major catastrophe. I’d just as soon they put PJ Pilittere on there. Forget Chris Stewart. Kevin Cash is still on the DL.

  36. GZA May 5th, 2009 at 2:49 am

    “Same EXACT thing can be said about Melky.” What are you TALKING about. Melky’s hardly a slap hitter or utility outfielder. To the contrary, he’s proved he can hit ML pitching, and he’s at least as good as Gardner in center. Get real.

  37. Mackenzie May 5th, 2009 at 2:55 am

    Well, hopefully A-Rod can pick up Posada’s slack if he’s out for a while. The offense has been pretty solid, but we’re only screwed for a week. Long-term, can we make the playoffs without Posada? Good chance we can’t.

  38. sketchy May 5th, 2009 at 3:03 am

    “namby pamby”… I love it, Pete!

  39. Michael May 5th, 2009 at 3:07 am

    I really liked what I saw from Cervelli in WBC, unfortunately it will never and should never happen. We may be in big, big trouble everyone.

  40. Kevin S. May 5th, 2009 at 3:07 am

    “This may be a stupid question, but how could Girardi tell Bogar was stealing signs or location?”

    Actually, A-Rod was tipping Bogar off, in the hopes that the Red Sox EST team would return him the favor tomorrow.

  41. CG May 5th, 2009 at 3:15 am

    I’m beginning to wonder who put this team together . . . Colonel Klink?

    I actually feel bad for ‘ol G.I. Joe, there is no flexibility with this roster.

  42. EvoLuTioN May 5th, 2009 at 3:22 am

    gardner sucks, stop saying hes our answer in CF. melky is lightyears better and even that isn’t saying much

  43. NYYanksFan May 5th, 2009 at 3:30 am

    First loosey goosey and now namby pamby. What has sports come to?

  44. igotid88 May 5th, 2009 at 3:34 am

    Can’t we let Gardner play one full season before we say he sucks.

  45. AndyH May 5th, 2009 at 3:45 am

    For real all the people saying Melky is so pedestrian or an automatic out right now is looking kind of moronic. Sure, he’s shown bad inclinations in the past, but he’s hitting like 320 on the season with some decent power, and he’s a good defender. He’s also not chasing stupidly out the zone anymore.

    The kid worked damned hard over the offseason to get back to where he is now. If he manages to hit 290-310 over the season and stay consistent with some power, nobody has ANY ground to say he shouldn’t be a starting CF.

    What the hell does Mike Cameron hit? 250?

  46. Greg May 5th, 2009 at 4:16 am

    “First loosey goosey and now namby pamby. What has sports come to?”

    Yeah, it’s going all willy nilly.

  47. jXi3 May 5th, 2009 at 4:59 am

    Is the DL list of Yankee too long for 2008 and 2009?
    Just curious..

  48. Doreen May 5th, 2009 at 6:50 am

    Just, oh no.

    This team is snakebit – again.

    They can just about sniff ARod’s return, finally hint that it could be this week, and what happens?

    They lose Posada.

    This is beyond comedic. Beyond tragic.

    I don’t want to give in to the feeling that the season is slipping away in the first days of May, but how can anyone have any true confidence that it’s going to be okay? Unless the entire pitching staff starts throwing strikes like nobody’s business, nothing is going to change.

  49. Dave May 5th, 2009 at 6:55 am

    There was two things i was yelling in this blow for brian to do for the last three months of the off-season not including any big name free agents – sign or trade for a catcher who can actually be put in the lineup every day without it looking really bad and sign a reliever who has some sort of experience and track record because outside of mo and marte, we dont have hardly anyone with experience in the pen even to start the season which isnt good for a playoff team. Look at what troy precival’s experience did for the rays pen last year – experience in the pen can be good if everyone in there is in or coming out of their rookie season basically. We used to sign too many free agent relievers and now we sign none – there is a fine line ya know…

    And at the start of free agency there were some decent bullpen arms and some decent hitting backup catcher options available. Now, here we are not even in the middle of may yet and there is no way in hell we will ever be able to trade for a decent catcher or an experienced reliever right now. We saw the tragedy that was jose molina last year and cash refuses to learn from his own mistakes.

    Yes, jose is usually (not last night) a great defensive catcher but we just cant afford to have a bat like that in the lineup every single night. We should have signed a second backstop that had some ability to hit but not play defense as well and that would give us the ability to platoon them if posada went down. We have no one capable of replacing posada once again for the second year in a row because cashman apparently didnt realize how horrendous the backup catchers were in the lineup was every day in 2008. I understand making mistakes – people make mistakes all the time but when you cant learn from them, you are not doing your job.

  50. Jason May 5th, 2009 at 6:58 am

    Cameron K’d 142 times in 120 games last year while batting .243 . . . that kind of sounds like an automatic out to me.

  51. Doreen May 5th, 2009 at 7:00 am

    Dave -

    I see the point on a catcher, but I seriously don’t fault Cash about adding a veteran bullpen arm. He’s gone down that route in the past, and where are all those guys now, and what, actually did they really do for the team? Not too much. Plus, last year the bullpen was not only a strength, they were awesome. I’m still hopeful (barely, I’ll admit) that they can turn it around (the bullpen, that is). But the starters seriously need to start doing their part. The better the starters do, the better the bullpen can be.

  52. Mark in Tampa May 5th, 2009 at 7:05 am

    They are 2 1/2 back on May 4th! If they knock Beckett around tonight, as they should, they are a game and a half back. And Boston had an 11 game win streak to do it. How many games back they are from Toronto means nothing, they are going nowhere. Arod is back later this week, Teix is just now starting to hit, and CC and AJ haven’t pitched well yet. The issues right now are the bullpen, which is pathetic, and Posada’s health. The bullpen should work itself out one way or another, hopefully Posada isn’t out for too long. To say the season is over makes you sound like impatient 12 year olds.

  53. Dave May 5th, 2009 at 7:06 am

    And yea, the ump was absolutely terrible last night. The only person that deserved to be thrown out of the game was him. But the announcers defended pedroia’s bad call to no end while not mentioning the fact that Hughes was being squeezed and Lester was not the entire game that I can recall.And has any manager ever been tossed so quickly after stepping out of the dugout? Girardi didnt even get a word out before that Ump threw him out. The fact is the ump was trying to be part of the show rather than in the background making the correct calls.

    That was the most inconsistent calling I have seen in quite some time. And an umps strike and ball calls should NEVER influence the outcome of a game and last night, it may very well have in the end. If a few people are saying the ump is being inconsistent, its hard to say whos right but when everyone in this blog, espn, the managers and multiple players are getting on the ump for calls involving balls and strikes, I think its pretty obvious he is doing a terrible job. I dont remember hearing of this ump before and i was surprised because he def seemed like a memorable ump. I hope I never hear from him again though

  54. Dave May 5th, 2009 at 7:16 am

    Doreen,

    The starters will do their part I would think or at least while everyone is relatively healthy. But that same argument is what was shouted at me from the rooftops of every corner of this blog for the last month of the off-aeason. “They were the best pen in baseball last year. We failed with guys like farnsworthless.” Well, as it is blatantly obvious now and I said in response to that comment many times already – relievers are extremely volatile. Especially ones who have been in the league for a year or less which is almost all of them. And i know we were the great bullpen team last year but that was no guarantee guys like veras, edwar, albadejo, robertson, etc. would be able to put it together this year. Plus, its not about the arm as much as its about a little bit of a veteran presence.

    I guess we have marte but that is two guys – mo and marte that have any experience really. One more would have been nice. And now we are going to go through a very rough patch with our pen because we are relying on coke, aceves and melancon right now to not suck and get acclimated very quickly until bruney comes back. I know with everyone healthy and only a few of the guys like veras and edwar doing well, we would have a decent pen at least but im afraid to see what its going to be like with bruney and marte out right now. And there is no such thing as too many arms. I wasnt saying to sign a guy like farnsworthless for 18 mil and 3 years. The market was very reasonable last season particularly for relievers. We could have GOTTEN a bargain!!

  55. Doreen May 5th, 2009 at 7:53 am

    Dave -

    The Yankees NEVER get a bargain. :(

  56. Dave May 5th, 2009 at 7:59 am

    I know because we go for the most expensive stuff in the room each time … That sad face looks so sad. Its ok!!!

  57. Jim N May 5th, 2009 at 8:11 am

    Girardi is such a friggin baby. Awwww with the excuses. The Sox had the same calls made against them. The Yankees suck

  58. S.A.--It's a marathon, not a sprint. Calm down. May 5th, 2009 at 8:25 am

    Girardi is such a friggin baby. Awwww with the excuses. The Sox had the same calls made against them. The Yankees suck

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    :roll:

  59. Fan Interference May 5th, 2009 at 8:45 am

    Stop with Mike Cameron. If the season was going in the tank, then you bring up AJax to get some playing time. It’s only May, but the amount of injuries is piling up. The pitching has been awful, and the pen is a disaster. There’s time to fix some of these things, but not all of them can be fixed over night, especially the older makeup of the team.

    So far, in this small sampling of the season, this appears to be the same team that ended last year in third place.

  60. beedogs May 5th, 2009 at 9:00 am

    “Girardi is such a friggin baby. Awwww with the excuses. The Sox had the same calls made against them. The Yankees suck”

    Uh, what game did *you* watch, Ray Charles? The one I saw was pretty one-sided behind home plate.

  61. JohnC May 5th, 2009 at 9:16 am

    I love how our ‘loyal’ fans think the season is over and are ‘done with baseball’ on May 5 when we are 3 games out of 1st and without Arod so far. All of you bandwagoners please do us a favor and follow through with your threatened disappearance. This blog would be alot more enjoyable. We don’t need fans like you here.

  62. Kevin S. May 5th, 2009 at 9:28 am

    Melky’s off to a fast start, although I think we know that his HR/FB isn’t going to stay at 40% all year. FWIW, Cameron is also off to a blistering start, since people here like buying into small sample sizes. Not that Cameron’s really available at this point; with the Cubs looking mortal, that division can be taken.

  63. Tim Sherman May 5th, 2009 at 9:47 am

    The Yankees need to work a deal to get Brayan Pena from the Royals. I believe he was DFA’d last week. He can play first and third as well as catch and he can hit a little bit. Playing Molina every day will be a disaster just like last year.

  64. Don May 5th, 2009 at 10:30 am

    Posada is one of our MVPs. Without him our chances take a nose-dive. The injury is indeed sad news

  65. in that case... May 5th, 2009 at 10:42 am

    “Can’t we let Gardner play one full season before we say he sucks.”

    Ok, deal. Can we also let me play CF for a year before we say that I suck? When do I report? This is gonna be awesome…

  66. GiantsCauseway May 5th, 2009 at 11:07 am

    Someone needs to tell Gardner he isn’t Babe Ruth, his just short of the warning track power is an easy out. Work, the count, slap balls around, get one base, That would require Girardi do some actual coaching.

    Jerry Meals is an awful Umpire, always was, look up Napoleon Complex & there is his picture. The announcers will always defend the Umpire, just like the NBA announcers defended Tim Donaghy.

  67. Tom K May 5th, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    John C -

    I agree. Let’s jump off the bandwagon and start thinking about the NFL! “Stop thinking about baseball for a while” = “I’ll wait for the Yankees to start winning games again..then I’ll be a fan”

    To each their own, I suppose.

  68. Uncle Reggie May 5th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    Enough with talking about the umps. The strike two and three agains Pedroia in his last at bat were well out of the strike zone. Strike two against Cano was right on the black.

  69. oh you're right May 5th, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    excellent point, reggie. there was 1 call we didn’t like that wasn’t incorrect and 2 that bad calls that went against the red sox.

    any claims that the balls and strikes umpiring was awful / inconsistent: officially debunked!

    thanks.

  70. TexasYanksfan May 5th, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    That strike zone was beyond ridiculous.

  71. STEVo May 6th, 2009 at 12:28 am

    trade Matsui while he’s hot. he’s great, but his age is an issue, and so are those knees. do it while he’s hot…..

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