Game 26: Red Sox at Yankees
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YANKEES (13-12)
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Matsui DH
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Cabrera CF
Pena 3B
Molina C
Pitching: RHP Joba Chamberlain (1-0, 3.13).
Chamberlain vs. the Boston hitters.
RED SOX (16-10)
Ellsbury CF
Pedroia 2B
Ortiz DH
Bay LF
Lowell 3B
Drew RF
Bailey 1B
Varitek C
Green SS
Pitching: RHP Josh Beckett (2-2, 7.22).
Beckett vs. the New York hitters.
TIME/TV: 7:05 p.m., YES, NESN.
WEATHER: The iPhone weather application says it’ll be sporadic rain and in the mid 50s tonight. If they played last night, they’ll probably figure out a way to play tonight. The tarp is down at the moment so don’t rush here to watch batting practice.
THE RIVALRY: The Yankees are 0-4 against Boston this season, getting outscored 31-20. The Yankees very easily could have won three of the games.”That doesn’t matter,” Derek Jeter said last night. “Bottom line is we lost and we need to get it going.”
BAD BLOOD? Joe Girardi got into a shouting match with Boston 1B coach Tom Bogar last night. Bogar was trying to steal signs and Girardi didn’t much like it. Bogar said a new uncharitable words in return. Girardi was steamed after the game last night. Steamed. It’ll be very, very interesting to see what happens tonight with Chamberlain and Beckett on the mound. Those guys are certainly not afraid to throw at somebody.
STRANGE STAT: Mark Teixeira joined Melky Cabrera (April 22) and Nick Swisher (April 29) as Yankees to home from both sides of the plate this season. In the prior history of the franchise, only eight other players had done that.
According to Elias, the Yankees are the first team since going back to at least 1969 to have three hitters homer from each side in the same season. Now before we get too carried away, Mickey Mantle used to do it in his sleep. But it is quite a quirk that three guys did it in 25 games.
BREAKOUT: Teixeira’s homer in the fifth inning broke a 2-for-29 slump. He homered again in the eighth inning but struck out with two runners on in the ninth.
PAPELBON NOT AVAILABLE? Boston closer Jonathan Papelbon threw 32 pitches last night, getting five outs. He could be unavailable this evening.
BUT MO IS: Meanwhile, Mariano Rivera hasn’t pitched since April 30.
A-ROD UPDATE: Alex is scheduled to play seven innings in the field today in Florida. In response to e-mails, there are NO plans for him to play for any of the minor-league affiliates. He’s going to stay in Florida extended spring. Check this post later on for updates.
TICKETS: I keep hearing from e-mailers and readers that the secondary market (StubHub.com, etc.) is flush with tickets at reasonable prices. In most cases, you can download these tickets and print them yourself. So if you’re looking to go to the game, you might want to check it out.
ON THE SOX: Remember, for news from the other side, visit WEEI.com and the Full Count Blog.
Back with much more later on.
UPDATE, 3:46 p.m.: Francisco Cervelli was called up from Double-A Trenton.
UPDATE, 4:06 p.m.: The Yankees are saying officially that Posada will be out 2-3 weeks. But within the clubhouse, the fear us that it could be more like 3-5 weeks.
UPDATE, 4:09 p.m.: A-Rod was 3 for 6 with two homers, a single and a lineout. He also had to make several plays in the field.
Sounds like a Friday return.
UPDATE, 5:28 p.m.: Just spoke to Jorge Posada He has a Grade 2 hamstring strain. That means it is highly unlikely he will be back in 2-3 weeks. He literally had trouble sitting in the chair in front of his locker when he spoke to us and winced when he straightened out his right leg.
Posada seemed pretty down.
“It’s disappointing, but I know I can come back,” he said. “But it’s tough on me, it’s tough on me because I worked really hard to come back. I did everything I could with my body to be back. It’s one of those things you can’t control. You try to stay positive but it’s not easy right now.”
If you’re keeping track the Yankees now have Posada, A-Rod, Xavier Nady, Chien-Ming Wang, Brian Bruney, Damaso Marte and Cody Ransom on the DL.
If you take any team in the game and remove the catcher, third baseman, right fielder, No. 2 starter and top two set-up men, that’s trouble.
Look at it this way, there are roughly 16 important players on the team. Eight position players, five starters, three top relievers. The Yankees are down six of them. That’s nearly 40 percent of their core players.
UPDATE, 5:45 p.m.: The tarp is down, the gates are open and it’s not raining. As far as I know, we’re looking at an on-time start.
UPDATE, 6:04 p.m.: Here is Joe Girardi’s pre-game press conference. Using my fancy editing program, I even deleted the dead spots in the beginning and the end. I’m quite the tech wizard.
At any rate, here is the manager talking about all the assorted issues:
Oh, and they’re starting to pull the tarp. So if you’re wondering whether to come to the park, come to the park.
UPDATE, 6:22 p.m.: Via the AP, here is what A-Rod had to say after his game today:
“I have no idea about Friday. I feel good.”
He otherwise refused to take questions.
UPDATE, 6:44 p.m.: After the ruckus last night (see previous post), the Yankees today met with their security and staff people about improving communication with fans.
“We have about 5,000 game-day event staff,” spokesman Jason Zillo said. “Today we’re being proactive. We’ve met with supervisors and with all ranges of guest services people.”
Zillo said the team woukd make more announcements and post more scoreboard updates during delays.
“There should be once voice coming from the Yankees during any rain delay situation via either the PA announcer or scoreboard messages,” he said. “We recognize that we can give fans information more repetitively during a rain delay situation.”
Maybe I’m wrong, but I think once a fan is in the park, they should have enough common sense not to leave unless you hear an announcement. Trusting the word of some minimum-wage kid is not the best idea.
UPDATE, 6:48 p.m.: Via Chad Jennings and Mike Ashmore (thanks, guys), word is that the Yankees have re-signed RHP Humberto Sanchez. Makes sense. He’ll be rehabbing (as always) in Tampa and they’ll what they can get out of him. At least he’s not taking up space on the 40-man roster.
UPDATE, 6:59 p.m.: Baseball at 7:05 p.m. Field is ready, lineups being announced.
Oh, forgot to mention this before, Boston 1B Kevin Youkilis is out with a bad bruise on his side. It was the result of getting drilled by A.J. Burnett back in April and then again in the same spot last week Jeff Bailey is playing first.
UPDATE, 7:14 p.m.: Single, stolen base, single, single. Not the start Joba was looking for. He looks very uncomfortable on the mound and throwing a lot of breaking pitches.
UPDATE, 7:16 p.m.: Joba just hung a pitch and Bay hammered it into the left-field stands. 4-0 Boston after four hitters.
Bay owns the Yankees. He is 10 for 16 against them this season with three homers and 10 RBI.
UPDATE, 7:32 p.m.: Cano is 0 for his last 9.
UPDATE, 7:40 p.m.: Joba looked good in the second inning. Unfortunately that’s a little late to the party. … Meanwhile there are entire rows behind the plate that are empty. I realize it’s cold. But when the Yankees are playing the Red Sox, the the fourth, sixth and seventh row directly behind the plate should not be completely empty. That is a farce.
UPDATE, 7:56 p.m.: Strange game for Jobamania. He gives up five straight hits in the first inning and has since retired eight of the nine hitters he has faced, four by strikeout. It looks like it took him an inning to get started.
UPDATE, 8:03 p.m.: You have to give it up to Johnny Damon, he shows up against his old squad. That home run to the Pony League porch in right field makes it 4-3 Red Sox.
UPDATE, 8:08 p.m.: Thanks to Dave Pinto’s awesome Day By Day Database, I looked up Johnny against the Red Sox.
He is hitting only .266 as a Yankee while playing the Red Sox. But he has 11 homers and 37 RBI in 55 games. That’s not bad.
UPDATE, 8:20 p.m.: I’m sure the put-Joba-in-the-bullpen chuckleheads enjoyed the first inning. Meanwhile, he has struck out seven of the last 11 batters he has faced. This just in: He’s not going to be Bob Gibson every inning. He’s 23 and in his first full year as a big league starter. He’s figuring it all out. Give him a chance. He could be great. Not good, great.
Meanwhile, Ellsbury is out with a tight right hamstring. Jonathan Van Every replaced him.
UPDATE, 8:25 p.m.: Bad base-running mistake there by Melky as he was thrown out going to third. Nice throw by Pedroia. That’s on Rob Thomson to some degree.
I think if the Yankees tie this game, they will go on to win it.
UPDATE, 8:40 p.m.: Witness and behold Joba Chamberlain, who is filthy as filthy can be these last four innings. He has fanned 10 of the last 16 batters he has faced, eight of them looking.
Word around the league was that Chamberlain could not throw his slider for a strike and to lay off it. That is no longer the case.
Anybody who wants to waste this kid in the bullpen is clinically stupid.
UPDATE, 8:48 p.m.: Beckett might hit somebody this inning after Joba hit Bay.
UPDATE, 8:59 p.m.: Joba going back out for the sixth inning at 97 pitches. Jose Veras — shudder — is warming up.
UPDATE, 9:02 p.m.: Joba is finito after 108 pitches. Girardi got booed when he came to the mound. But you cant blame the manager for being cautious.
Joba’s line: 5.2 innings, 6 hits 4 runs, 4 earned, 2 walks, 12 strikeouts.
Now it’s raining. Uh, oh.
UPDATE, 9:06 p.m.: Joba had this place in the palm of his hand. The crowd was living and dying with every pitch.
UPDATE, 9:08 p.m: The last time a Yankee fanned 12 was Mike Mussina on May 7, 2007 at Seattle. The last Yankee to K 12 in the Boogie Down was Moose on Sept. 24, 2002.
But by all means, let’s use him in the eighth inning. That way he can strike out three guys.
UPDATE, 9:14 p.m.: Bad hop there for the Yankees as Swisher would have scored on that ball. Now it’s up to young Ramiro Pena.
The bench is Cervelli, Berroa and Gardner, what other choice do they have? This is where not having Nady hurts.
They really need to at least tie this. Because it’s an official game and if it’s called, they lose.
UPDATE, 9:31 p.m.: Looked this up on Baseball-Reference.com:
Chamberlain is the youngest Yankee to strike out 12 since Al Downing struck out 13 against the White Sox on June 21, 1964.
UPDATE, 9:40 p.m.: OK, enough of Jobamania for now. Yanks trail 4-3 and have Jeter on first. Okajima in to face Damon. Light rain here.
UPDATE, 9:49 p.m.: Albaladejo in to start the eighth inning. Maybe Melancon is out getting coffee for everybody.
UPDATE, 10:02 p.m.: It’s getting ugly here. Boston just scored an unearned run and there are fights breaking out in the bleachers. There are maybe — maybe — 50 people sitting the premium seats. The bleachers and upper deck are still pretty full, I’d say 70 percent.
UPDATE, 10:06 p.m.: Edwar with runners on base? It’s 6-3 and it won’t be for long.
That error by Pena opened the door up to this mess. As exciting as it was to watch Joba, they’re in trouble.
UPDATE, 10:11 p.m.: Well, Edwar ended the inning. 6-3 with two shots to get something done.
UPDATE, 10:21 p.m.: Hate to be mean, but I just laughed out loud. A guy in the premium seats was in his cell not paying attention to the game when a foul ball got him in the mid-section. His umbrella went flying. I do think he got the ball, however.
Hey, Mark Melancon is in.
UPDATE, 10:33 p.m.: My faith in Melancon is proving to be unfounded as he walks Pedroia and Ortiz.
The Yankees were last 0-5 to start the season against Boston in 1985. That led to Yogi Berra getting fired after 16 games. Meanwhile, Melancon has walked the bases loaded and the crowd is getting ugly. Girardi just pulled him.
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They will probably send Papelscumbag out there today as well.
WE WIN!
WE WIN!
Tex Hits 2 more HR tonight
just have to make it a Mo not Paps situation late in the game
bryanhoch: Posada to DL, Cervelli up
Yanks need to get Mo into a game whether they have a lead tonight or tomorrow or not. His location hasn’t been great to start the season to begin with. If he doesn’t pitch for a week and then comes into the game with a 1 run lead and blows it..I wouldn’t be surprised.
Pedoria and Youk getting too comfortable facing us Joba do something about it
Cervelli’s really the only call the Yanks could make at the moment.
meanwhile, check this out from last night regarding the strike zone. your eyes didn’t decieve you
http://tinyurl.com/cu3j69
Anyone know of a Red Sox blog that might know if Youk is planning to play tonight? Curious, but not interested in doing any research
where has GGBG Gone
where has GGBG Gone
What do you guys think?
You can’t ask molina to catch as many games as he did last year.Yankees must trade.
But the question is:will they try to get a catcher just for now or will they try to get a number 1 catcher??
What are you getting paid to advertise 3rd party ticket brokers now? Must be really padding the bank account along with Selena’s payments to believe ever word she says.
The way this organization puts together teams and pays players for past performances and just hands out ludicrous contracts, you would think baseball is being banished from this country in 3 years.
DOes this organization have ZERO foresight about anything?
Yankees organization is worse than Wall street right now with how greedy and short termed they are with everything. Anything short of a championship this season, and we need to take a serious look in the mirror at what this teams hopes to accomplish in 3 years, cause we are going to be the first $200 million team to ever finish in last place.
I swear, even the Orioles are better positioned for the next 3-5 years than this team is.
Pete love to hear your thoughts on selena’s book, heard it is getting panned by many people in baseball, now im not saying what she is saying isnt true but dont you think its a little irresponsible to say something is definitely true but then provide no actual proof. doesnt seem like the great basis for a story/book if you care at all about your credibility and standards…imo she is looking more like a tabloid reporter than anything else
I just got two 300 level seats for $30 each, normally $80 a piece. Booya.
Any word on who will replace Posada?
Michael Key Show: Posada officially on DL, Francisco Cervelli brought up.
trade for Bengie and unite the brothers
trade for Bengie and unite the brothers
has anyone indicated if it’s the 15-day dl or longer?
Hey JoeyA, become an Orioles fan for a few years…maybe we’ll welcome you when you come running back!
why not bring up Kevin Cash?
Rishi,
This is from redsox.com although it really does not give a definite answer whether Youkilis will play tonight.
“Youkilis was 0-for-3 on the night. He is hitting .393 with six homers and 20 RBIs. Jeff Bailey came into the game in place of Youkilis.
Will Youkilis play on Tuesday?
“I don’t know,” Francona said. “He was tight. I think we did the right thing by getting him out of there. He was actually kind of grimacing on those swings, but he said he was fine. Again, if you make a mistake with something like that, it’s not good.”
15 day DL for Posada (per Michael Kay Show)
kevin cash on dl
Does anybody think they are rushing Arod back?
Just playing in EST games, no live pitching in real game action, mo 9 innings played in any one game, and no sliding except for the pad.
Just seems rushed to me.
Given the way they have handled injuries the past, they don’t exactly inspire confidence with this stuff.
Thanks, Ray
as talented as Jorge is behind the plate, does anyone feel that it’s time to move on and look for a reliable/younger catcher? I doubt he plays more than 80 games the next 2 seasons
anyone notice pudge is still out there?
Today we win.
So Girardi wouldn’t steal signs? Hmmm… Too bad Girardi didn’t give the booger eater the finger.
But I love the fire I saw from him last night. Nice to hear he was still steamed about the sign stealing after the game.
Let’s hope the guys can wake up from their slumber before the 6th inning.
Thanks for the StubHub information Pete – looks like some really great deals right now. It is a little deceptive because the price listed isn’t the price you’ll actually pay – they tag on a $5 delivery fee (even for online printouts) and $5 (or 10%, whichever is more) as a fee so they can make a profit.
Francisco Cervelli brought up instead of Kevin Cash because he’s on the 40 man roster. Cash is not.
Pudge is with Houston, I believe
SJ44:
Of course he’s being rushed back. You, of all people, should know that this is a panic move by Front Office types and not genuine baseball people!
Pudge is playing. Marlins? Brewers? Some small market team.
What we need tonight is a blow-out and Joba going 7.
Cash is on the DL and isn’t on the 40 man roster.
Cervelli is the only other catcher on the 40. Hence, the callup.
also we can trade for Miguel Olivo or Ryan Doumit
houston. pudge is in houston.
Doesn’t matter about the 40-man, Cash would have been a no-brainer. Cashman didn’t sign him to have him sit at AAA. He is close to being activated as it is. He gets some AAA at-bats, he will be brought up, Cervelli down.
Yes SJ, I agree they seem to be rushing him back, and I fully expect either a horrible start or a setback.
I’m so disgusted with Cashman right now over this whole catching situation. I just can’t get over how he dropped the ball big time on this during the offseason.
“BAD BLOOD? Joe Girardi got into a shouting match with Boston 1B coach Tom Bogar last night. Bogar was trying to steal signs and Girardi didn’t much like it.”
Sort of a baseless assertion that TIM Bogar was trying to steal signs, as he denied it. You’re just accepting Girardi’s version and discounting Bogar’s?
Kevin Cash has more mlb experience than Cervelli
stubhub is great for anyone that hasn’t tried it, you have the commission and shipping fee but it’s very secure…they guarantee that if you have any issue w/ a fake ticket or other issue, they’ll still get you into the game
cash hasnt played since april 14. what happened to him?
Pudge is with the Astros.
Joe,
That concerns me. It’s going to take him time to get back and rushing him back isn’t the answer, IMO.
Cash hurt his shoulder sliding into a base, I believe. CJ said he’s throwing and is closer to being active then he though.
Don’t expect much of Cervelli at the plate: AVG:.190 HR:2 RBI:7
Sort of a baseless assertion that TIM Bogar was trying to steal signs, as he denied it. You’re just accepting Girardi’s version and discounting Bogar’s?
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tell me you at least side with a-rod against the stupid accusation he was passing off signs too, since those are also baseless.
“Sort of a baseless assertion that TIM Bogar was trying to steal signs, as he denied it. You’re just accepting Girardi’s version and discounting Bogar’s?”
Why will he admit to trying to steal signs?
Alex was 3-6 with 2 HR and a single today. One of HR cleared the 40 foot batters eye. He played 7 innings in the field, had no comment on anything non-baseball related and said he had not heard when he would rejoin the team.
tell me you at least side with a-rod against the stupid accusation he was passing off signs too, since those are also baseless.
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Who cares about A-Rod? My point is you can’t say Bogar was trying to steal signs, maybe “allegedly” or “Girardi accused Bogar of trying to steal signs.” Poor reporting.
SJ44 -
I think he’s being rushed, too. Not comfortable with it at all. But, they never called to ask.
Well, it may not matter to you but, they don’t want to release someone to add Cash (who can’t play anyway now since he’s hurt) or anybody else right now.
Rishi
May 5th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
“Initially, Terry Francona, the Red Sox manager, spoke playfully about the incident by saying Girardi was asking about Bogar’s family and that Bogar said, “Everybody is O.K. at home.” But, when Francona was asked if Girardi had accused Bogar of tipping pitches, he turned serious.
“They could have,” Francona said. “I really don’t care.””
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05.....imessports
“Don’t expect much of Cervelli at the plate: AVG:.190 HR:2 RBI:7″
Pretty much the only option though. Stewart and Cash are hurt and PJ has thrown out 2-of-18 baserunners.
StubHub is a good deal. I’m glad the Yankees and MLB came on board and they all now work together, unlike a few years back when the Yanks tried to bully season ticket holders into not reselling seats to a given game.
Somebody is probably getting a piece of the action, is why. But it’s still a good deal!
what will it take to get olivio??
Quick! Somebody get Swish a catcher’s mitt!
Roger(the new amsterdam yankees )
May 5th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
what will it take to get olivio??
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Does it matter?
Cashman will either do nothing or go sign some 35 year old from the Mexican league and get all giddy when anyone mentions his name.
They Yankees have more money on the DL than the Marlins have for their entire team.
SJ44
Boston has had there shair of injury problems that make you wonder about them as well.
They signed Schilling and then he couldn’t pitch because of a shoulder problem that they should have known about.
Lowerie had the wrist problem last year that didn’t get operated on till this season.
Papelbon has had shoulder problems almost every year. They have to be carefull how much they use him because of it.
Dice-K Has had a tired arm at least the last two years.
Not trying to defend the Yankees, just showing that the RS aren’t perfect in this area either.
To many rushed decisions for my tastes, Doreen.
Oh well, let’s hope they can at least win tonight and go from there.
C’mon Joba! 7+ innings, 1 Run 11 K’s should be a nice night!
The Yanks REALLY need to win this game. Can’t do an 0-fer against the Sox in the first 30 games of the season. They just CAN’T!!!
Maybe at least Cervelli will get a chance to get some revenge against the Rays tomorrow and Thursday.
Maybe at least Cervelli will get a chance to get some revenge against the Rays tomorrow and Thursday.
Off Topic but I need to say it somewhere.
I just did something very scary. I submitted my letter of resignation at work. I am leaving with regret but a new situation at work was such that I would have been unhappier staying than going. It was totally my choice. And no I have no job I am going to. I guess I will do some pro bono stuff for a while…
Thanks for listening. I wish my dad were here to advise me, though I think he would tell me to stay where I am. Fathers are like that.
OMG I can’t believe what I just did.
C is my dumber younger brother. Read all of his posts, he is 10 years old and doesnt really know anything about baseball.
at least Pena’s back in there
best of luck, Trisha…
MaineYankee.
Hope you are well. Every team has issues. The Red Sox are flawed in many ways. I believe the points though that SJ, CB and RandyI have made is that the construction of the roster has not been benfeficial and or flexible for on the fly moves for injuries the last few years.
-dennis
The Red Sox find solutions to their problems much better than the Yankees do.
It’s one of the main things seperating the two teams right now.
Thanks Rish. (yeow)
“RussW210
May 5th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
They Yankees have more money on the DL than the Marlins have for their entire team.
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and they might actually compete in the NL East, amazing all the Young talent they keep developing then unload
Yogi can still wear a uniform…and he’s equally as agile on foul pops!
SJ44: I agree with you. There are too many hands in trying to run the Yankee organization right now. Its almost seems to be returning to the New York-Tampa times of confusion.
The Steins-Cashman-Levine-Newman – who’s making baseball decisions???
Holy Smoke Trisha. That took guts. I hope it works out the way you want it to.
-dennis
I agree with you on Arod SJ. He’ll be back too early. No sliding? EST games only? He’ll come back and probably struggle early. He can’t be ready to go after the surgery and minimal time in Florida. He’ll need a good 2-3 weeks to get going once he’s back. Hopefully the fans will understand this, doubt it though.
Yes, they’re rushing Alex. The Yanks even a couple of years ago used to be an organization that would give a player one or two extra days off even after they were cleared to play. Now? They allow Damon to play without getting his shoulder examined, they played Jorge – it’s inexcusable.
Did Kay say how badly the hamstring was strained? Is it closer to 3/4 weeks than it is to two?
Good luck Trisha. I dream of doing that somedays.
The NL East isnt exactly the AL East. Love to see how the Marlins do playing NY, Boston, Tampa, Baltimore and Toronto 18 times a year.
Trisha – I hope you didn’t make a snap decision with that and actually thought it through first.
I swear, even the Orioles are better positioned for the next 3-5 years than this team is.
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Then go root for the Orioles and stop you’re whining.
It never fails, overreactions on this site increase 1000% when the Yanks lose to the Red Sox.
how come Berroa is not dead or DFA’d? btw, i was at the game last night(going tonight as well), it’s ridiculous how they made everyone wait around while it was misting for 2 hours.
I can’t recall a time where you could get tickets for the Yankees vs Sox day of game at field level for 30 bucks a ticket. Insane. If I lived anywhere near, I would be at every darn game.
Hey Pete, maybe you should ask Girardi if he thinks Bogar was trying to steal signs because A-Rod wasn’t there to just give them to him?
trisha
I wish you the best. But as an older person perhaps with some insight as to what a Father might say to his daughter I offer this to you!
No matter what happens or where or even if you work, you are loved by your true family and friends. Life is too short to spend time working or associating with people or issues that rob you of your joy or quality of life. Put the same tough focus on getting a new position as your heart went thru on resigning at this one and you will be better than okay! I have found every job tough to leave and every new position fill with possibilities!!
Good Luck & Best wishes!
Ray
If we have A-Rod we win a lot of these games, which is why I’m not worried.
That being said, Yankees HAVE to win tonight after losing game one. There are two ways to look at this, if they win, optimistic and pessimistic. Pessimistic is Red Sox have won four of five from the Yanks. Optimistic would be that the Yanks lost one series and split another-not an embarassing result. Of course for optimistic to make sense they have to win tonight.
Wow Josh you listen to the Michael Kay show? I hear that’s worse than waterboarding. Kay should thank God for Sterling, Suzyn Waldman,Hawk Harrelson and the Marlins announcers or he’d be the worst announcer around. C were you dropped on your head as a child? Just wondering.
Good for you trisha.
So basically when they say 2-3 weeks..it means more like 4-6. I still think they will be fine as long they get this bullpen figured out. For the msot part the lineup is not the problem. They are getting Arod back in a couple of days. They need 2 more arms to get the ball to the 9th. Whether it is Melancon, Robertson, Jackson or Veras they need someone to step up.
Dennis
I was refering to some of their comments in regards to the RS being better at testing for injuries and dealing with them sooner.
I will say they started turning their roster over sooner so they do have an advantage there.
I agree the Yankees are playing catch up at this time.
Oh, Trisha – it must have been intolerable to leave without somewhere to go to. Best of luck to you.
Dennis, seriously sometimes I don’t know if it’s guts or stupidity. A lot of people around me told me not to do it, to wait until tomorrow, to sleep on it, etc. But I know that the situation wasn’t going to be one I could work with. I am leaving with great regrets because I really love my job. But I’ve always been someone who’d go to the wall for a principle…
Truth is I’m scared to death because this was unplanned, and I really have no immediate direction, other than to practice some pro bono law just to do something with my life.
Thanks for caring.
Pat, thanks. I’m afraid it’s not as glamorous as it sounds!
I just became a ship without a rudder, or something.
Amazing how bad the Al central is. The Tribe were my sleeper.
Amazing how bad the Al central is. The Tribe were my sleeper.
trisha – click to see my bigger and better Opening Day photos
May 5th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
Off Topic but I need to say it somewhere.
I just did something very scary. I submitted my letter of resignation at work. I am leaving with regret but a new situation at work was such that I would have been unhappier staying than going. It was totally my choice. And no I have no job I am going to. I guess I will do some pro bono stuff for a while…
Thanks for listening. I wish my dad were here to advise me, though I think he would tell me to stay where I am. Fathers are like that.
OMG I can’t believe what I just did.
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Trisha,
Sometimes it takes guts to leave a job, especially if you ARE going on gut instinct. You are a survivor. I can tell by the way you duke it out on here, and I mean that in the most complimentary way.
(BTW: My Dad, at the Old Stadium, used to bellow to the ump: “Hey Blind Man! Where’s your Seeing Eye dog?” No one had lungs like him, and no one was ever gentler and kinder, or a bigger Yankee fan. I’m sure your Dad is over your shoulder, and I don’t just mean that metaphorically).
From one big-hearted brawler to another – follow your heart and you will not be led astray.
Off to the Bronx. Go Yanks!
Just looking @ the NYY 25 man roster, after ARod gets back, assuming Berroa does to SWB and Matsui is DH and they still carry 13 pitchers; the bench will be Gardner, Pena and Cervelli. Wow?
weather.com says cloudy till 10pm then light rain
i think we are going to play!!!
yay
Good luck Trish, I did that once, but the economy wasn’t quite so bad. But not working is so much better than going into a job you hate. That being said, I’ve been laid off for 12 months now. I wish you the best!!
RayVT.
Great post.
“jon heyman is a retard. Lester is not in the class of greinke and hanly ramirez”
I hate the Sox but he’s pretty close.
tommy
May 5th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Amazing how bad the Al central is. The Tribe were my sleeper.
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Your sleeper?
Everyone and their uncle was picking them as the favorites.
And they probably still have the best shot at it.
Larry Beinfest is the best gm in Baseball imo. Ed Wde and Omar Minaya are the worst with Cash somewhere in the middle to the back end of the pack.
Larry Beinfest is the best gm in Baseball imo. Ed Wde and Omar Minaya are the worst with Cash somewhere in the middle to the back end of the pack.
I would guess Posada is out 6 weeks.
He shouldn’t come back until he is 100%.
That means, they have to go get a catcher.
Molina and Cervelli aren’t enough.
Got a ton of pitching in the system. Time to use it, and get a catcher.
It’s a No Excuses season. Just go to work and get it done.
Losing Posada will be a big blow. They lose a hitter and a fiery leader. Remember how they did last year without him.
Too bad Molina cannot hit like his 2 brothers.
Alex should not be rushed back. If he is, it is a desperate move by the Yanks.
In 3 years, Baltimore WILL be better than us
We’re going to be the Knicks pretty soon with the way we’re going. Just a bloated payroll with 0 results.
Giuseppe Franco
May 5th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
I swear, even the Orioles are better positioned for the next 3-5 years than this team is.
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Then go root for the Orioles and stop you’re whining.
It never fails, overreactions on this site increase 1000% when the Yanks lose to the Red Sox.
Giusseppe, ignore it man! Focus on the real comments.
SJ44 -
Frankly, I’m not all that surprised. Once Ransom went down, as long as Alex didn’t backtrack in his rehab, he was going to finish it up here.
The Yankees behave as if they are desperate sometimes. Now, we as fans, we’re allowed to be slightly dizzy and over the top; we have no accountability or responsibility. I just hope this turns out okay.
a-rod was coming back friday before posada got hurt
The Yankees have to deal for a catcher even if they overpay a bit. I wouldn’t rush Posada at all. He’s one tear from being gone for the season. They can’t take that chance. Hopefully Cervelli handle the challenge but he’s not the answer, not even part of the equation.
sj: which young pitchers would you deem expendable.
i certainly wouldnt touch mccallister (sp?)
“UPDATE, 4:09 p.m.: A-Rod was 3 for 6 with two homers, a single and a lineout. He also had to make several plays in the field.
Sounds like a Friday return. ”
Yay, another rushed player. Would anyone be shocked if he starts off in a deep slump because he is hesitant and not ready and ends up getting hurt after a month?
SJ, you’re right, they have to go out and get someone.
But do you really think they will? I mean other than some other garbage retread off the scrap heap?
I don’t.
I meant my sleeper to go to the World series. I know the vast majority picked them to win the central. I also picked my yanks to finish in third place and ditto for the Mets.
I was at a game in Toronto a few years back when Posada and Bernie hit homeruns form eachside of the plate in the same game
3 years and baltimore will be better?
maybe the lineup, but they still have zero pitching.
In 3 years, Baltimore WILL be better than us
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Until they start developing young pitching – something they haven’t done in more than a decade – they aren’t going to be better than anyone in the AL East.
Trisha, sometimes, reflection time is a good thing.
Work is part of our lives. It’s not our whole life.
It’s all about balance.
Take your time and find a gig that gives you such balance.
“Trisha – I hope you didn’t make a snap decision with that and actually thought it through first.”
Scooter actually I’ve had a few months to think about it but didn’t think it would come to this. Briefly, my office is being moved and we are being thrown into a space that isn’t even the size of my office now, and my assistant and I are going to be forced to work in the same space with just some kind of ridiculous partition for privacy. My job is defined by privacy and confidentiality, but my boss, when she gets an idea in her head, runs with it. I could stay here and have my effectivness compromised. Bottom line, I am not leaving because I want to.
RayVT, your post has me in tears. I really needed to hear that, and I thank you so much.
Tex and Doreen, thanks. I am sitting here in kind of a dream state…
a trade out of the blue for everyone: would you trade some wings to cleveland for victor martinez?
just a thought
They better win today and better play well
0-5 against Boston is NOT an option for us.
Trisha
I hope that even though this was a hard decision that you move foward with some sense of peace knowing that you wouldn’t be happy staying.
Who would have thought that some on here have a heart with some of the battles that go on.
Jorge
Marte
Bruney
Wang
Nady
Alex
Super year so far. Damon isn’t being treated for his shoulder, since we have SOO MANY options for the outfield. And our 3B, that we have for NINE more years, is being rushed from HIP surgery.
Looks like another uphill battle this summer, except now it looks like we have 3 competitive teams in the East, not just two.
Man, what 2-3 years of forgoing the playoffs in order to rebuild a core would have done for this team with all the money it has.
Now, we revel in the ability to say we make the playoffs every year.
I’ll give 8 straight years of playoffs for 6 years of rebuilding, getting knocked out of the ALDS in the 2nd round, and winning the WS next year.
Apparently, this organization would rather put together a team that has the potential to make the playoffs every year and cross their fingers for the 100 different things that are likely to go wrong.
It’s not rocket science why teams like the Royals, Rays, and, as far as now, the Jays are becoming more competitive and don’t deal with half the injuries we do.
They build through young, athletic players and forgo seasons to see the bigger picture. We can’t do that while we charge people $1,000+ per game.
send kennedy to texas for one of their young C. obly team with a surplus. boston wanted to that earlier in the offseason but texas wanted to much. beat boston out again for the player they wanted.
Tex’s friend (Best starting 5 in the majors)
May 5th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
3 years and baltimore will be better?
maybe the lineup, but they still have zero pitching.
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You’d better do your homework. Baltimore has some really promising arms in their system. McPhail is doing a great job with them. If Angelos stays out of the way, they are going to be good, and when they get good they will get great support and have tons of money to spend.
“I would guess Posada is out 6 weeks.
He shouldn’t come back until he is 100%.
That means, they have to go get a catcher.
Molina and Cervelli aren’t enough.
Got a ton of pitching in the system. Time to use it, and get a catcher.
It’s a No Excuses season. Just go to work and get it done.”
Stop saying ‘get somebody, trade something’.
Name names. Who would you target? What do you think it would take to get them?
Could the Yankees land a Salty/Teagarden/Ramirez for a package that does not include Hughes/Melancon/Jackson/Montero (the ‘untouchables’)?
Would you see if the Mets want salary relief for Ramon Castro? He’s a slight improvement offensively over Molina, but nothing special, really.
How about IPK to the Rangers for Max Ramirez?
trisha
Nothing is worse than dreading going to work. Know in your heart you made the right decision.
You will succeed. Keep the faith, you will find something better.
Catcher is one of the weakest positions in Baseball these days. One of the main reasons Posada got a 4 year deal and varitek got a 2 year deal. Mauer and McCann are the elite of the elite and there’s not much else after them. Posada(who really is a dh) Martinez(who belongs at 1b or dh) and Martin are really the only other fairly productive guys,
Problem is, Arod returning replaces Posada in the lineup. It doesn’t lengthen it.
They REALLY need the pitching to get going now. Their grace period for getting going is officially over.
“a trade out of the blue for everyone: would you trade some wings to cleveland for victor martinez?
just a thought”
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Cleveland would start at Joba+Hughes.
Losing Posada and getting back A-Rod means nothing. Yeah, we have a more talented hitter but we are still going to have the automatic out in the lineup. Except it will be Molina instead of Pena.
So unless the starters start throwing to their career norms and our youngsters have limited growing pains and our bullpen miraculously turns around…. it is going to be a long year. Let’s see what Cashman has up his sleeve.
The Yankees are saying officially that Posada will be out 2-3 weeks. But within the clubhouse, the fear us that it could be more like 3-5 weeks.
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Ugh. This just sucks
Anyways, let’s win this game tonight. Go Jobber!
good luck, trisha!
Posada hurt is huge. Really huge. They lose a massive bat, and our pitching and production from other parts of the lineup (cough A-Rod and Tex cough) has to make up for it for us to do well.
How could the Yankees have let this happen? Idiots.
Btw you aren’t getting other teams jewels with your dreck(Kennedy)
I think the difference between the Sox and the Yanks is recent success and building confidence off of that.
Players know what’s expected of them in Boston and the clubhouse seems to come together in a common goal. Lowrie goes down, Green steps in and does the job.
Papelbon can’t close one night so Saito proves he’s up to the task.
A lot of credit should go to Francona who has fostered a nice unity over there that is reminiscent of what Torre had before he became St. Joe.
No one is bigger than the team in Boston anymore since Manny left.
They police that stuff themselves and have a lot of team first types. Youkilis would jump to play 3rd if Lowell went down without squawking about it and he’s one of the best 1b in the league now.
That’s the difference.
We have several players who are bigger than the team in Arod, Jeter, Posada, etc…guys who a manager can’t necessarily do what they want with. Guys who a manager has to walk on egg shells around.
Arod especially. From everything that has come out, not just from the book, it appears he’s a moron of Ruthian proportions. Insisting on calling pitches? That one made me sick when I heard Showalter say he put a stop to that.
The only way this is going to work here is if this group comes together and learns how to win and starts to show dominance.
They have the talent, they appear to be building the unity, but they need to put it all together.
I’m scared of what Arod might bring. Not saying at all that the team doesn’t need him and his offensive and defensive skills. We do need him.
What we don’t need is the circus and it’s coming back to town and the media here are going to make it stay in town in order to sell papers and get blog hits.
Apparently Arod loves the circus. Lives for it. There’s no such thing as bad press to this guy as long as his name is the one being talked about.
I hope he comes back and helps to shut it out and proves to these guys he’s only about winning and being part of the group with them.
I think the positive of this season is that the group appears to be tighter knit.
I hope Arod and his circus don’t disrupt it.
As for the Red Sox and their appearance of dominance, these things go in cycles.
The one thing they do deserve credit for is fostering a winning attitude that appears to help their players and not hinder them at the moment.
That can change at any time though.
SJ
I don’t believe Alex will do anything that Alex doesn’t feel is right for him and his success. He is a tremendous athlete. His pressence in the lineup will present problems for other teams and gain value for the Yankees. I dare say a 60% ARod is more dangerous than a 100% Pena. So lets not waste time doing whatifs about being rushed. He could trip over the plate in ESP and break his wrist. Whatifs are never good. As Stonewall Jackson said to one of his generals, “Sir never take counsel of your fears.”
The Yankees are fine. When it means the world to other teams to beat them, then they are still a great team. I look at production and see if I need to be worried. The core of the Yankees lineup is below their norm. I expect a hot streak really soon.
That said, I do believe a long man in the Spring is essential to every team’s bullpen’s long-term health. Now they have one. 13 pitchers is wrong. They need another bat. I really think 11 pithcers and a 3rd catcher with a bat is the right plan. That way they can PH twice for a cather if needed.
Rather have these injury problems now instead of August. Still sucks, but they have to go out and play, and CC and AJ need to start dominating Soon.
If we get 4 out of the 6 guys on the DL now back and healthy by June 1, all will be well.
yeah the Indians are going to trade a 25 yr old stud, because?????????????????????????
Lupica is on with Kay, FYI
“How about IPK to the Rangers for Max Ramirez?”
Click.
That’s the sound of Jon Daniels hanging up before laughing hysterically.
it’s a little scary that cervelli is batting .190 in the minors…
I would just like to say that despite serious consideration due to yesterday’s performance from Tex and last week’s pperformance by Joba my name is staying the same.
On homering from both sides, see http://www.baseball-almanac.co.....ts20.shtml. It’s been done 133 times in the AL, and 38 of those have been by Yankees:
Mantle – 10
Williams – 8
Posada – 6
White – 5
Tresh – 3
Smalley – 1
Sierra – 1
Clark (Tony) – 1
Cabrera – 1
Swisher – 1
Teixeira – 1
Mantle’s 10 is the AL record. The Major League record is 11 by Eddie Murray (9 in AL, 2 in NL). Swisher already has 8, including 3 in 2007 (tying Tony Clark, who set the AL record with the 1998 Tigers — Ken Caminiti hit 4 with 1996 Padres and 10 in his career).
On April 6 of this year, Clark and Felipe Lopez each homered both ways for the Diamondbacks. It was Clark’s 9th switch-homer game in his career (7 in AL, 2 in NL). The only other teamates to pull the trick in the same game were Bernie and Jorgie, April 23, 2000 in Toronto.
Best of luck, Trisha… oh by the way, do you have any catching experience? I think a job has opened up in the Bronx…
“Problem is, Arod returning replaces Posada in the lineup. It doesn’t lengthen it.
They REALLY need the pitching to get going now. Their grace period for getting going is officially over.”
At the end of the day it is Sabathia, Burnett, Pettitte that will have to keep this team afloat during this stretch of injuries. Problem is the bullpen is even worse, we don’t even know when Bruney will be back. This team is all over the place roster wise.
I still believe in my Yankees.
All I can say is thank you all from the bottom of my heart. I am sitting here crying, but mainly because I am so touched by all of the caring things you have said. bod – that was great. Thank you and thanks for what you said about my dad. I really miss him so much, and especially at times like this.
SJ, you are so right about the balance.
Well, looks like I’m going to have time to read a lot of lohud blog posts!
will, I can afford to be out of work. Otherwise I would agree with you wholeheartedly. My dad always told us never to leave one job until you had another in hand. But I am financially secure enough to do it, thanks to God.
I will read other posts when I get home. Right now I am too teary to read very much!
Again, thank you. The milk of human kindness is such a healing balm.
i think a team desprite for pitching like texas will take kennedy for one of their C but we’d need to sweeten the pot with a top arm in system.
i think a team desprite for pitching like texas will take kennedy for one of their C but we’d need to sweeten the pot with a top arm in system.
“UPDATE, 4:06 p.m.: The Yankees are saying officially that Posada will be out 2-3 weeks. But within the clubhouse, the fear us that it could be more like 3-5 weeks.”
Not as bad as 6-8 weeks.
Meanwhile, do you all think I could find 100 people to donate me $10 so I can get the new computer I want/need?
They REALLY need the pitching to get going now. Their grace period for getting going is officially over.
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Agreed 100%
The starters have to perform better and the bullpen..well..might have to start praying harder for the bullpen to do well.
Cal-If Tex picks it up and ARod does his thing (which can be even better than Posada) our lineup can still get better.
I’m still a believer in Mark Melancon.
“Until they start developing young pitching – something they haven’t done in more than a decade – they aren’t going to be better than anyone in the AL East.”
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And until we start developing young, athletic position players, we will be where we are every year, high expectations followed by injuries and playing catch up.
We have a catching prospect who can mash, but can’t catch. And, all of our stock in one centerfielder. No serious shortstop option in the wings.
Would anyone be opposed to re-acquiring Pudge?
He obviously had a bad year last year, but maybe we can catch lightening in a bottle. He did have a great WBC and still has some pop in his bat and has a great arm.
“i think a team desprite for pitching like texas will take kennedy for one of their C but we’d need to sweeten the pot with a top arm in system.”
Or 4.
Tah Rangers didn’t budge for any of their ctachers with the Red Sox and are not about to now unless the Yankees sold the farm.
No Youk? Must have Jobaitis!
Cashman’s idea of getting younger and more athletic involves players who can’t hit, like Gardner.
Maybe this will be better for Posada in the long run. He has time to rest his shoulder. 2-3 weeks isn’t that bad.
the indians would trade him b/c his contract is up after next year and they s-ck this year.
trisha, I wish I could help out more, but the best I could do is give
moral support. I have no experience with situations like this.
Good luck though.
And until we start developing young, athletic position players, we will be where we are every year, high expectations followed by injuries and playing catch up.
We have a catching prospect who can mash, but can’t catch. And, all of our stock in one centerfielder. No serious shortstop option in the wings.
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I’ve read through many of your posts today and nobody with common sense is going to stop you from whining or hanging yourself.
Be patient and watch what happens. The season isn’t over because the Yanks lost to the Red Sox last night.
“And until we start developing young, athletic position players, we will be where we are every year, high expectations followed by injuries and playing catch up.
We have a catching prospect who can mash, but can’t catch. And, all of our stock in one centerfielder. No serious shortstop option in the wings.”
Because those elite shortstop prospects tend to go in the early part of the draft. Y’know, before the Yankees pick.
Otherwise, you have to sign 16 year old kids out of the Caribbean and hope they work out (like Hanley Ramirez, and like the Yankees are hoping with Montero).
Billy
May 5th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Tah Rangers didn’t budge for any of their ctachers with the Red Sox and are not about to now unless the Yankees sold the farm.
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I’m not so sure about that.
Now that they see how wide open and winnable the West is this year they might be a little more eager to get a SP.
I don’t want to assume the worst – of course there’s fear in the clubhouse that he could be gone that long because it’s better to think that way and be prepared if that is the case, but maybe it’s just unfounded.
Not interested in Lupica – haven’t read him in years, don’t intend to listen to him.
On the bright side, and I know Pete has a problem with me saying this but it’s true, Youk being out is huge. He was on fire before yesterday.
“the indians would trade him b/c his contract is up after next year and they s-ck this year.”
Uh… huh.
Keep dreaming.
“2-3 weeks isn’t that bad.”
2-3 weeks not happening especially for an aging catcher. Talk about rushing Arod, the early time frame for Jorge is just crazy.
“Now that they see how wide open and winnable the West is this year they might be a little more eager to get a SP.”
Who hasn’t shown the ability to get major league hitters out yet.
“I still believe in my Yankees”
And that’s the right attitude. This blog has been depressing today with all the negativity. Even the voices of reasons have been negative.
Billy-I would agree if I knew the extent of the injury. If the injury really is an injury that’ll take 2-3 weeks, fine. If not, then yeah it’s a stretch.
Someone Else
May 5th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
“Now that they see how wide open and winnable the West is this year they might be a little more eager to get a SP.”
Who hasn’t shown the ability to get major league hitters out yet.
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Have you seen some of the guys the Rangers are throwing out there?
Would anyone be opposed to re-acquiring Pudge?
He obviously had a bad year last year, but maybe we can catch lightening in a bottle. He did have a great WBC and still has some pop in his bat and has a great arm.
Yes – totally opposed
Cant Handle a pitching staff, and I don’t want him mucking up CC AJ, Joba, and Phugh.
Also we wont be able to get him for Kyle Farnesworthless this year…..
tommy (Wow Josh you listen to the Michael Kay show? I hear that’s worse than waterboarding. Kay should thank God for Sterling, Suzyn Waldman,Hawk Harrelson and the Marlins announcers or he’d be the worst announcer around. C were you dropped on your head as a child? Just wondering.)
yes, I listen. I like it. I don’t have a problem with Kay. I don’t mind his announcing, and I was dropped on my head as a child (no joke).
In the end the yankees will be fine, but it is still hard to watch the same crap every april and may. falling far behind, and playing catch up, with high priced talent that takes a month to start playing.
Ill give a-rod one thing. he shows up to play on opening day, not in may.
and one other thing about victor martinez
he will turn 31 this december..he isnt 25 as previously stated in an earlier post
Raining here in DC now and headed towards The Bronx. Could get ugly again tonight.
Even though losing Posada’s bat stinks. The Yanks are really gaining 2 more bats in Arod and Tex. Tex was basically an automatic out along with 3B, CF and when Molina played. Once Tex starts going and Arod gets a couple of at bats they are going to absolutely kill the ball together. It will be a great 3-4 punch. That is the only optimistic way to try and look at it.
the Ny Post says Jorge has a partial tear
What more can Cashman do?
He spent $423 million last year and got us an ace starter, an electric #2 starter, and a GG/Allstar 1st baseman. He also got a great super-sub in Swisher.
We were supposed to have the best rotation in baseball and a terrific young bullpen with tremendous depth. Bench was supposed to be Swisher, Melky, Ransom, Molina. Aside from Ransom, that is very good.
Cashman did everything he could this winter. Can’t expect him to anticipate injuries to all of our key players combined with slow starts from the newcomers.
Bad Scooter
May 5th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Raining here in DC now and headed towards The Bronx. Could get ugly again tonight.
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Yeah, I’m just getting ready to go and I hear it starting.(In DC)
Trevor-Thanks. As I said, there are 2 ways to look at this, optimistically and pessimistically, if they win tonight. You could either say that the Sox have won four of five or you could look and say we lost one series and split another, not bad, and this is w/o A-Rod.
Favorite moment on the blog: This moron called 2008 hasn’t ended kept insulting me and asking me if I had my “pom poms” out when I said that the game wasn’t over vs. the Angels a few days ago. So I called a comeback. Sure enough, the Yankees came through. Games like that make me think if everything starts clicking, the Yankees really can be a force.
This is the perfect opportunity to bring back Matt Nokes.
I’d also be o.k. w/giving Mike Stanley another shot, but he’s a Sox traitor so that ship has sailed.
“Have you seen some of the guys the Rangers are throwing out there?”
The Rangers asked for Buchholz for Salty, and probably want more for Teagarden or Ramirez.
Kennedy < Buchholz.
The dropped on the head line was meant for C not yourself. He was making a fool of himself.
The Yankees do not need to make a move with Posada. They need a healthy Arod back and bring a bat up for the bench. It may mean Shelley Duncan to play some DH, spell guys in the OF. The concern should not be on the catcher’s ability to hit.
The next injury is the concern. Damon is banged up, Matsui’s knees, etc. Hopefully Nady can swing a bat soon to spell Matsui at DH.
Guiseppe-
my posts from today stem from the frustration of Posada’s DL stint. I’m not giving up on this season by any means, but the issues with this season aren’t because of decisions made recently.
The issues with this season are the lack of roster flexibility and health of our aging stars, both of which are long term issues that are never addressed by the organization because of their short term focus.
Posada was never on the DL before last season. He hits .300+ in a carer year, and we hand him a contract like he’s 28.
Our roster is constructed using a “best case scenario” view, which almost never happens in baseball.
People get injured, get banged up, need rest. This current roster can’t deal with any of that, cause we put so much stock in our starters we were indifferent to the idea of one of them going down.
RF was the only area with true depth, which is now gone with Nady to the DL, and we almost were completely screwed if Swish went down for a period of time.
SJ said it perfectly a few days ago. We pay Tex, CC, and AJ RIDICULOUS amounts of money, while Alex Cora, who could have solved A TON of our problems this season, was available for $2-3 mill. AND expressed a desire to play in NY.
Quick question? Where are all those people calling for more Molina over Posada behind the plate?
You wanted it, you got it.
Yanks will be fine, too much talent in the long run…..Outstanding starting pitching, but the pen is going to need a few novina’s from the New Cardinal…..What is in question is my wager that the Yanks win 100 games…..
How bout that catcher who always caught wakefield? where is he now?
Cashman did everything he could this winter. Can’t expect him to anticipate injuries to all of our key players combined with slow starts from the newcomers.
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Wrong. Anyone with a brain could have anticipated something happening to Jorge. And most of us advocated all winter for him to do something besides Molina.
Bottom line -
Cashman needs to get a catcher and bullpen help immediately or he should be fired.
I still believe in my Yankees, too.
But, sometimes you have to bat around all the circumstances surrounding them. They are not doing nearly as well as most of us had thought was a lock. And too many instances new book, same story – almost as if the winter break never happened.
As depressing as it sometimes does get here, it does help to hash out the bad feelings. But everytime I turn on the game, I am still optimistic that they will win. One day at a time, I’m very optimistic. Looking back and looking ahead, I’ve got questions and concerns, but on a day to day basis, they going to win every day!
I think you guys are totally underestimating that shredness of Jon Daniels. Case in point, when he dealt Teix for Salty, Andrus, Harrison and Neftali Feliz. The first three are on the 25-man but Feliz is a flame thrower and should be the best of the bunch. Granted none of the catchers are in Teix’ class but it shows what Daniels is capable of.
Rain’s not supposed to start till 10. They’ll definitley start this and probably get the requisite 5 innings in a s well.
they missed the playoffs last year the are an aging unathletic team that is what some people don’t get.
tommy (The dropped on the head line was meant for C not yourself. He was making a fool of himself.) Ah. I didn’t see the C. In any case, I was telling the truth, lol.
Ah, Alex Cora, the missing piece needed for a championship.
Come back in September when he’s hitting .250/.300/.350.
Alex Cora
How does alex cora solve our problems? how much better would he be than ramiro pena? Can alex cora catch or pitch?
No? Then not a solution.
“I think you guys are totally underestimating that shredness of Jon Daniels. Case in point, when he dealt Teix for Salty, Andrus, Harrison and Neftali Feliz. The first three are on the 25-man but Feliz is a flame thrower and should be the best of the bunch. Granted none of the catchers are in Teix’ class but it shows what Daniels is capable of.”
Exactly – that was a GREAT trade by Daniels. He ain’t an idiot.
And Teagarden/Ramirez are the future in Texas. He’ll deal Salty as soon as he can, for top value.
Doug Mirabelli? Didn’t he retire?
With Burnett’s history, it is only a matter of time before he goes on the DL
I don’t know why people expect Cashman to have a backup plan for every injury. It is not realistic
All the best Trisha… life’s too short to compromise on some things. I walked away once too… it’ll work out.
SJ is absolutely on target with the catching situation. There were plenty of guys who could have been signed reasonably including Pudge and David Ross. Now they’ll either overpay or have an almost guaranteed automatic out.
Really surprising they aren’t going to have him play in a few real games before Alex comes back. It would be great for thier budgets if he played one in Charleston, Trenton and Scranton as he worked his way north.
Doreen-I disagree. The Yankees have not started off slow like they normally do (not exactly fast, but over 500) and every now and then you see this team’s potential play itself out, like that comeback vs. the Angels.
I think this season will be a sort of metaphor from ST. Slightly above 500, hanging in there type start, then everything clicks and we’re off.
IMO there is no upside for the Yankees to state anything but 2-3 weeks re:Posada. If they are concerned about his health and want to make a deal any other public statement than 2-3 weeks further hurts their leverage.
-dennis
here we go some idiot with the aging argument again. Boston is older than the Yankees. Injuries aren’t because of age. young people get hurt too. our oldest starter is 32. besides rivera, the pen is young. our cf and rf are i their 20s, our 1b, and 2b are in their 20s. Jeter is healthy and will hit .300 every year. A-Rod is hurt and nothing to do with age. Damon is gutting it out hitting fairly well. So Posada.
Tired of this stupid argument. we get younger every year. we arent the freakin sf giants.
Starks-Don’t jinx it!
Alex Cora is an okish 24th or 25th man that’s about it. That said I believe this team is devoid of real leadership.
Pat M -
The new cardinal is, I believe a Cardinal fan!
David Ross… the .224 career hitter, yes?
“just did something very scary. I submitted my letter of resignation at work. I am leaving with regret but a new situation at work was such that I would have been unhappier staying than going. It was totally my choice. And no I have no job I am going to.”
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trisha,
I quit a very good job back in August and have taken the last, gulp, 10 months off. Best thing I ever did. People all thought I was nuts but while they’re in their cubicles I’ve been traveling the country and having a blast. I’m sure you’ll be very happy with your decision in the end. If your instincts told you to quit, there’s a reason for it.
Re: Brett Gardner. I know everyone has already concluded he’s terrible after 15 games. People thought his ceiling would be a Brett Butler type player. Hit between .275 and .300, get on base at a .375 clip, get some doubles and triples and steal a bunch of bases. Bunt for base hits and get a ton of infield hits. Also, play a solid CF.
If Brett Butler is what you want Gardner to become, then don’t jump the gun on him. Go look at Butler’s stats each year and how he struggled early on as well. These types of players OPS’ are built on their high on base % and the amount of doubles and triples they can get.
“The Yankees are saying officially that Posada will be out 2-3 weeks. But within the clubhouse, the fear us that it could be more like 3-5 weeks”
Sounds about right to me.
I’m pretty dissapointed and angry that Posada is out. Is it Girardi’s fault that Posada played in cold, wet weather? Is it Cashman’s fault that the team doesn’t have a good young backup? Is it just bad luck?
Whoever’s fault it is, this injury is going to really hurt. Last year losing Posada was the #1 reason why the Yankees missed the playoffs. Losing him this year could cause the same result.
The Yankees starters have to step up immediately. Sabathia and Burnett especially have to start pitching like we know they can. If our starting 5 can pitch well, this lineup (with A-rod of course) is good enough to win.
The Yanks will need a pinch hitter on the bench for the catchers for the late innings. They should give Miranda, John Rodriguez or Duncan a chance. Another bat for pinch hitting is going to be very important they have to get rid of Ramirez. They can’t have Molina or Cervelli batting from the 7-9 innings.
Bad Scooter-I haven’t given up on Gardy. Melky will drop down to Earth eventually and then Gardner will have his shot, and possibly his last one, with AJax waiting in the wings.
the nonsense of the day. the yanks are unatheletic. you didn’t know that the yanks are in the top half of the league in steals.. yea the yanks should have signed 3 catchers in the offseason for 2 spots…yeah the 2nd guessing for uninformed never ends.
the yanks have numerous younger players, more then they have had in years…who is old on the team? damon, matsui, jeter, and jorge…
Damon and Matsui are gone end of the year. the rotation is 28, 31, 23, 22, 36 with wang at 28 on the IR.. How old is that staff????
the hysteria is never ending and misinformed……..
why is everyone slobbering over the orioles front office? yeah they suddenly have some young potential and the stadium is nice, but wasn’t it in Baltimore where a large number of fans staged a walk out last season? They haven’t exactly been thrilled with the management of the team the past few years, but guess what, no group of fan(atic)s ever is. Everyday I’m more thankful that the Yankees front office bases 0% of their decisions on the crap that spews from this blog sometimes.
Matt LaPorte is hitting .143
Can’t believe that’s all Shapiro got for CC. He should have gotten Prince Fielder or something
and by “from this blog” i mean from the comments on this blog
Braves for whatever reason signed Ross to a two year deal. Brett Butler was never a minor league lifer like Gardner. The comparision to Butler is an insult to Butler. Gardner is a medicore 5th Ofer(at best) who will put up a .600 ops. In other words worthless.
Um, do any of the “we have no young SS prospect” whiners know that we have 23 yr old Ramiro Pena on our roster right now? He of the MLB-caliber glove and gradually improving bat?
I always thought we gave the illusion of being old because a lot of our veterans play positions like catcher, Shortstop, and closer, and because Pettite has been here forever.
Not to mention they’re all doing pretty well. Not the vets’ fault we haven’t been able to climb far over 500.
“here we go some idiot with the aging argument again. Boston is older than the Yankees. Injuries aren’t because of age. young people get hurt too. our oldest starter is 32. besides rivera, the pen is young. our cf and rf are i their 20s, our 1b, and 2b are in their 20s. Jeter is healthy and will hit .300 every year. A-Rod is hurt and nothing to do with age. Damon is gutting it out hitting fairly well. So Posada.
Tired of this stupid argument. we get younger every year. we arent the freakin sf giants.”
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It’s more than a matter of average age of teams. sure, the Sox have an older team than us. But, do the Sox grant their older players high priced contracts, handicapping their ability to make moves when moves are necessary. No.
We didn’t care about getting another catcher cause Posada had a great year and we gave him an undeserving contract. Matsui makes $15 mill, so we can’t get rid of him. Jeter, Damon, same deal.
I’m not calling for their heads, nor am I throwing away the season. But you have to give the Sox credit where credit is due. They may be an older team, on average, but their success doesn’t hinder on the success of those older players, nor do those older players’ contracts handicap the team from making moves.
Our older players do both. And the organizations inability to get out of this trend is what is frustrating. Posada to the DL for the 3rd time in a year and a half, after never being on it in his career, is just an example of this issue.
Starks: LMAO.
soxnation-I thought you had your own blog?
Look at the numbers and you will see that Ortix has been slowly getting worse at a far faster rate than Jeter, who has two game winning hits.
I hope you’re kidding he has what 7 at bats? Saw the kid in the minors he’ll be a good one. He and Daniel Murphy were two of the better young hitters I saw in the minors the past few years.
This is what happens when you are an old, slow, unathletic team full of guys making $10+ million dollars
You get exposed by teams like Boston and Tampa who are young hungry and don’t care about money but love the game of baseball
We have guys who like baseball, but love their paycheck more
Youkilis is out per Boston Globe.
Joba needs to find a new whipping boy for tonight…
BASEBALL OPERATIONS
Executive Vice President/General Manager Theo Epstein
Senior Vice President/Assistant General Manager Ben Cherington
Senior Vice President/Assistant General Manager Jed Hoyer
Senior Vice President/International Scouting Craig Shipley
Assistant to the General Manager Allard Baird
Senior Advisor/Baseball Operations Bill James
Director of Baseball Operations Brian O’Halloran
Director of Baseball Information Services Tom Tippett
Assistant Director of Baseball Operations Zack Scott
Special Assistant to the General Manager David Howard
Executive Assistant Erin Cox
Traveling Secretary Jack McCormick
Instructors Johnny Pesky, Jim Rice, Luis Tiant
Medical Director Dr. Thomas Gill
Team Internist Dr. Larry Ronan
Medical Operations Coordinator Jim Rowe
Head Trainer Paul Lessard
Rehab Coordinator/Assistant Trainer Mike Reinold
Staff Assistant Ino Guerrero
Assistant Trainer Masai Takahashi
Strength and Conditioning Coach David Page
Japanese Interpreter Masa Hoshino, Jeff Yamaguchi
Japanese PT/Massage Therapist Takanori Maeda
Physical Therapist Scott Waugh
Massage Therapist Russell Nua
Clubhouse and Equipment Manager Joe Cochran
Assistant Equipment Manager Edward “Pookie” Jackson
Visiting Clubhouse Manager Tom McLaughlin
Video Coordinator Billy Broadbent
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MINOR LEAGUE OPERATIONS
Director of Player Development Mike Hazen
Director of Minor League Operations Raquel Ferreira
Assistant Director, Player Development Ethan Faggett
Assistant, Player Development Jared Banner
Player Development Consultants Dick Berardino, Tony Cloninger, Dwight Evans, Tommy Harper, Felix Maldonado, Frank Malzone, Carl Yastrzemski
Coordinator, Latin American Operations Eddie Romero
Director, Florida Business Operations Todd Stephenson
Minor League Equipment Manager Mike Stelmach
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i think the red sox simply have more bodies on the ground than the yankees do.
an interesting example of the yankees having a coaching drain is on the above list – tony cloninger. cloninger was a pitching coach in the yankee organization going back as far as the late 80’s with the yankees.
cloninger was there in the days of sterling hitchcock and helped develop guys like pettitte ad mariano. he was there all the way through 2001.he was a yankee coach for 15 years.
after cashman fired him as the bullpen coach, the red sox hired him as their pitching coach. after getting cancer he was replaced as red sox pitching coach , but has remained a part of their organization ever since.
tony cloninger once had a locker at age 19 between Hank Aaron and Eddie Mathews.
he once hit two grand slams in a game that he won with a complete game.
cloninger now has four rings from the yankees and two with the red sox.
don’t you think tony cloninger would be a valuable yankee pitching consultant like he is for the red sox right now ?
funny how those rings keep following cloninger around.
he must just be lucky though.
For the ones that think they should have brought Pudge back, I believe that some of the pitchers were having a problem pitching to him because of his pitch selection.
I also think he had to almost beg Houston to sign him because no one else wanted him.
I guarantee we havent seen the last of Gardner starting in CF this season. You all act as if all of a sudden Melky is a ML player after brutaly failing 3 times before.
Anyways, if Posada is back in 3-4 weeks, im happy. But I dont see this team being very successful while hes gone
The Stub Hub tix are reasonable if you want to sit in the bleachers or grandstand outfield…and that’s it.
“This is what happens when you are an old, slow, unathletic team full of guys making $10+ million dollars”
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that’s the best point I’ve heard in a long time. If they were all only making $5M, the Yankees would be undefeated.
Bruce-We beat Tampa.
So Many, who more or less led the Sox to two championships, yeah he was there for LOVE OF THE GAME right?
Last year when our team was worse we won the season series vs. Boston. This years’ season series is not over, we can still win it.
Many is Manny.
again weekend GM’s. damon, matsui, and nady off the books at the end of the year. where are there unmanageable contracts then? Arod.. is arods contract ludicrous? absolutely oh BTW he is a pretty good player.. Mo’s contract runs thru 2010 and that is it….
People make more out of things then they should. 13 and 12 is nothing should the yanks be better? Of course but again just Mo close game 1 agaisnt the sux and AJ not melt down and they are 15 and 10 and like 2 games out of first.
the offense is showing more late inning toughness then in years, they need to get the rotation right and all will be good. BTW they have the players to turn the rotation around no doubt about it…..
Doreen, I guess we can’t catch a break…The Cardinal in NYC, is a St. Louis Cardinal fan……The Pope must be a Boston fan……Oh well….
Time to trade Veras for a young catcher
Drew-You can get pretty good seats for 100 dollars down the left or right field lines from stub hub.
I’ve never paid more on ebay than what stubhub typically charges. If you can afford to plan ahead, just get em on ebay or negotiate on craigslist.
“Joba needs to find a new whipping boy for tonight…”
Even though I like the guy, my vote is for Jason Bay.
stuart-Absolutely.
my posts from today stem from the frustration of Posada’s DL stint. I’m not giving up on this season by any means, but the issues with this season aren’t because of decisions made recently.
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Frustration makes people say crazy things like using the Rays, Royals, and Orioles as the blueprint for what the Yanks should model their team.
That’s insane.
The Rays are a good team now but it took a decade of bottom feeding to acquire so many talented players. Price, Upton, and Longoria were all Top 3 picks in their respective drafts.
Besides, if you think these guys never get hurt because they are young – think again.
Upton has been out for a couple of weeks already this season and missed time last year too. Longoria was out with a broken wrist and Crawford missed a month as well last year.
Injuries happen to everybody.
That dynamic Royals team you speak of hasn’t been to the postseason since 1985. That was only 24 years ago.
The Royals are hardly a blueprint for success.
The Orioles haven’t been to the postseason since 1997 – which in fact was also the last time they had a winning record. They are also now in last place right now because they have zero pitching.
Just sit back and watch the season progress. You might be pleasantly surprised.
It’s unreal how so many people overreact on days like this.
I would like to see Damon and Matsui gone next year. They’re still productive but both contracts are up and they’re in their mid thirties. Move on if you’re the Yankees.
Forget Matt Holliday. How about trading for an outfielder in the off-season? Stop solving all the problems via FA. Make some smart trades.
I would like to see a catcher that can catch almost everyday brought in here for next year. Molina is not that guy. Make Posada a daily DH for 2010.
stuart, were you not loved enough as a kid? You are very angry at nonsense.
Patrick-Yeah, that guy is a Yankee killer.
By the way, I love when in Boston, after the Yanks have a big inning and the Sox get out of it, the crowd cheers. Same thing happens in NY and we boo.
I really don’t think it makes a difference, I’m just amused at the difference between the Boston and NY fans.
“The Yankees starters have to step up immediately. Sabathia and Burnett especially have to start pitching like we know they can. If our starting 5 can pitch well, this lineup (with A-rod of course) is good enough to win.”
I understand that people are upset about losing Posada. I’ve posted often back to last year about how devastating his loss and replacemenet with Molina was on a day to day basis.
That said – the whole reason why the yankees spent so much money on their rotation this year was to precisely compensate for these kinds of issues.
The basic idea in the off season was an acknowledgement that this is an old team, one that is prone to injury and one that doesn’t necessarily have an answer should Posada get hurt again, or Matsui not come back or Cano not rebound.
This is precisely why they signed Tex. He needs to start producing.
But what the larger strategy seems to be was to try to compensate for the age of the position players by creating a dominant rotation.
That was a fundamental premise to the season. Maximize run prevention in order to create enough margin to compensate for injuries or ineffectiveness in the position players.
This premise has broken down right now because the staff simply has underperformed outside of Pettite.
That is the foundation for the team’s problems right now.
CC has not been CC. AJ has been only mediocre. Wang is hurt. Joba has been Ok.
Right now they along with Hughes will all need to step it up. Now that’s a hard thing to ask from two kids who are 22 and 23.
So while Joba and Hughes will need to be better the biggest charge needs to come from CC, AJ and Pettite.
CC said in the off season he wanted to come to NY for the opportunity to win.
AJ said he came here because he wanted to compete, because he wanted the chance to win.
But those opportunities and chances don’t just arise through osmosis. The players (not the manager or the GM…) need to make those opportunities tangible.
It is up to them. It’s up to the staff to get them through this.
Even with Wang out, the talent is there. They built up so such a deep rotation in the off season they could stand the loss of any one of the 5. That’s happened now. But that’s been compounded by the injuries to Alex and Jorge and the bull pen’s ineffectiveness.
Right now the staff has to show leadership.
It’s that rotation that needs to get it done. That’s the bottom line.
That was the premise of this entire season.
Why can’t any of our pitchers throw strikes?
That’s the problem… all of our starters throw 100 pitches in 5 innings and don’t attack the zone. And same with our relievers.
current box score:
BAL: 2 2 2
TPA: 1 1 1
Very weird
i think the red sox simply have more baseball operations bodies on the ground than the yankees do.
an interesting example of the yankees having a coaching drain works for the red sox now – tony cloninger. cloninger was a pitching coach in the yankee organization going back as far as the late 80’s with the yankees.
cloninger was there in the days of sterling hitchcock and helped develop guys like pettitte ad mariano. he was there all the way through 2001.he was a yankee coach for 15 years.
after cashman fired him as the bullpen coach, the red sox hired him as their pitching coach. after getting cancer he was replaced as red sox pitching coach , but has remained a part of their organization ever since.
tony cloninger once had a locker at age 19 between Hank Aaron and Eddie Mathews.
he once hit two grand slams in a game that he won with a complete game.
cloninger now has four rings from the yankees and two with the red sox.
don’t you think tony cloninger would be a valuable yankee pitching consultant like he is for the red sox right now ?
he never asked to leave the yankees . he was fired.
funny how those rings keep following cloninger around.
“Time to trade Veras for a young catcher”
Wow. lol. Where would this catcher play, maybe the GCL?
Stuart, I don’t always see eye to eye with you ( ever since you sent me to the stupid line ) however I do see it like you….Things will turn around, actually it’s happening right now regardless of the injuries…..Alex, Nady, will bloster the lineup and Bruney hopefully by mid-May….The pen is in the end the issue
Quick Question. I received an e-mail from the Yanks today offerign $50 the “batters eye seats” for Wed and Thursday’s games. Have any of you sat in those seats yet? If so, thoughts??
Whoever’s fault it is, this injury is going to really hurt. Last year losing Posada was the #1 reason why the Yankees missed the playoffs. Losing him this year could cause the same result.
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Why does it have to be someone’s fault?
Maybe Posada was injured last night because he’s 37 years old and injuries are part of the game.
He was strictly a DH last night. He didn’t even play the field.
You’re the same guy who said they wouldn’t score a single run last night in the 4th inning so you’re not exactly a wealth of common baseball sense.
Trevor-I’d wait for the season to end before judging Holliday. IF he can come close to his rates while at Coor’s Field, he’s a good fit. If not, we’ll find someone.
“Time to trade Veras for a young catcher”
Thomas-
You would be lucky to get a bat boy to be named later for Jose Veras…. The only way Veras will be acquired from another team is from off waivers
Pena may or may not be the next Yankee SS we will see over the next few years…
AJAX, Pena, Melky, Cano, hughes, joba, coke, melancon, brackman, betances, montero, gardner, swisher, texiaera, wang, CC, robertson, and about 15 other prospects or present players are all under 30….The world is not coming to the end jsut because morons like fatcessa, espn, gammons, act like they know what the hell they are talking about…….
Miranda should be called up today and Aceves sent down. Aceves won’t be ready to pitch for a few days and we need another bat now.
Then, Cashman has to bite the bullet on Nady and put him on the 60 day DL retroactive to his injury. That will allow him to call up a AAA outfielder. We will need that bat as well.
We now have Molina/Cervelli, Pena/Berroa, and Gardner. We need offense, we have at game with Boston and two with Tampa before ARod gets here, and who knows if ARod is called up on Friday or if he will be effective.
Sometime the hand you are dealt requires you to make choices you don’t want to make. For the Yanks front office, IMO this is one of those times.
Hey Pete can you delete Ted’s comment – that goes beyond good taste – it is disgusting and why many people could turn off of sports
of the 40 pitches through 3 innings thrown by Uehara (sp?) for Boston…6 were balls…he just struck out Tampa’s 2-3-4 hitters in a row
I know some of you don’t care about other games…but that is one heck of a performance. 1 hit and 1 unearned run
Just delete Ted’s comment. And ban Ted.
sorry, that should be through 4 innings
“Then, Cashman has to bite the bullet on Nady and put him on the 60 day DL retroactive to his injury. ”
I think this is one of the think they just never do. They never bite the bullet on injuries. Instead they constantly try to play a wait and see game on the off chance the player will come back faster than they think.
That’s exactly what they did with Marte.
Too often it’s wishful thinking.
I agree – they need to make a definitive roster move and correct this imbalance between the pitchers and position players.
But I don’t think they’re going to do it, for whatever reason.
No Posada = No Playoffs
CB,
I agree 100% with your last post.
Oddly, Boston’s bullpen doesn’t scare me. Yankees have proven that IF our pen can keep us in it (big if) we can get to Boston’s pen, they haven’t been invincible.
I’m still a huge Melancon fan.
I meant your 5:01 post CB. Very well said.
Carl-Elaborate?
CB-
I was part of the “Sign Tex” contingent, and I am glad they did for just the reasons we face now, among others.
But the possibility that Jorge couldn’t answer the bell for an extended period was always my nightmare scenario this winter (yours too, if I remember correctly), and now it has come true.
Even if the pitching staff pitches up to expectations from here on out, without Jorge there are no guarantees. The Yanks need to get more bench help now, and even so it’s going to be a “close run thing” (to quote the Duke of Wellington) with Boston and Tampa.
Hey Ted,
How ’bout this.
Why don’t you give me your cell number and I will give it to Joba the next time I see him and we can arrange a meeting to see if you want to say that to his face.
I figure a “tough” guy like yourself wouldn’t have a problem delivering that message in person.
Its amazing how many of these “Ted’s” are out there trying to grow a pair on the internet.
soxnation-I already responded.
Teixeira mvp -
Yeah, granted, this year was less of a slow start! It’s frustrating because you see how either a hit here or there or a better pitched game by a starter or a key relief appearance here and there, they could be doing very, very well.
The optimist in me does see this and says, hey, with all the problems, they’re still doing “okay.” And that’s good.
The realist says, why are there so many problems??!!??!!??
“of the 40 pitches through 3 innings thrown by Uehara (sp?) for Boston…6 were balls…he just struck out Tampa’s 2-3-4 hitters in a row”
Yeah while Igawa sunglasses still attempts to get people out in AAA..
I want no part of Matt Holliday. Another bloated contract? No Thanks!
How about Cashman making a smart trade. Ala Nick Swisher
Soxnation
a) Ortiz because he is off the ‘roids
Cant believe what a pass the red sox got during the steroids era…
Guiseppi-
Point taken.
All I guess I am trying to say is, given our ability to draft, evident in Joba, Ajax, Hughes, etc., it would do us some good to not try and put a winner on the field EVERY year.
I’m not saying bottom feed for a decade. But some high draft picks could establish an entirely new, youthful core for this team.
unfortunately, our “WS or nothing” mantra doesn’t allow us to build. It allows us to throw money at players and hope for the best, instead of develop.
And, whether you agree or not, the org. lack of foresight regarding a 37 year old catcher coming off the DL is nobody’s fault but Cash and whomever else advises him. Same with the bench.
And as far as our plethora of young pitching in the minors, well, either bring them up or use them for trades cause there are other positions we need for this team, including the bullpen, to compete and we have 4 SP’s who will be here for at least the next 3 years.
Getting back A-Rod and losing Posada kind of puts us right back to where we started.
If the pitching doesn’t step up, like right now, then we’re going to sink. We didn’t spend $248 million on pitching so that we would have to win shootouts like the past 5 years.
Is it just me or do the Red Sox seem to have a much better team than the Yankees? Not only does it seem that the big league club is better, but they also seem to have a better farm system. I get the impression that whenever the Yanks and Sox play, the Sox have complete control of things. It’s as though the Yankees have to struggle just to keep up. The Sox are younger, faster, hungrier, and healthier. They have “it” whatever “it” is. (Let me make it clear that I am a diehard Yankees’ fan, but I like to face things as they are rather than bury my head in the sand.)
There might be reasonably priced tickets out there, but I think fans might hesiteate, because of 1) the Weather, we’ve had a handful of nice days since Spring began seven weeks ago. And 2) people could be gauging how the team is doing, before purchasing tickets. The weather will get better, but if the team is playing .500 ball come June/July, tickets should be even more plentiful. But who really wants to see a mediocre team play, even at a discount.
All the positive spin aside, if they don’t correct the roster imbalance, find a catcher, and hope (pray is more like it) the pitching improves BIGTIME and fast, they will be playing uphill the rest of this season.
Its something this team hasn’t done well in the past but, that’s the hand they are dealt.
Can we please stop calling out the troll’s names. I have a hard enough time filtering their conversation without them changing it every time we call them out.
Doreen-I think you’ve got the optimist and the realist mixed up with the realist and the pessimist.
I think your “realist” side is more of you pessimistic side; it sees the ways they could improve and points them out.
I think your “optimist” side is more realistic. It sees all the ways the Yankees could be doing better, points out the problems, then realizes we’re not that bad anyway. And we’re only getting better.
Not trying to give a psychology lesson (I know nothing about psychology!) just making a point.
Jeter has 4 more HRs than Ortiz
Huby-Our minor league team is doing crazy good. Not sure what you mean about the minor leagues.
Anyway, the Yankees always do better vs. the Sox in the second half. We’ll see what happens.
Lets relax… the Sox are only 2 games ahead in the loss column and they haven’t had a significant injury yet. We’ve had like 8. Lets just concentrate on getting our guys healthy.
DMan-I think we’re one and maybe a half up because ARod’s better than Jorge and Tex is heating up. Finally.
Time for Cashman to earn his money… not just sit around and hope these guys turn it around.
Time for him to go out and get a catcher and figure out what to do with this bullpen.
If he just watches us sink or reacts too late, he won’t survive.
Huby -
I do think the Sox have a better overall team at the moment, but not by much.
I don’t know where all of this “hungry” stuff comes from, though. Did the Royals suddenly become hungry this year? Did the Tigers decide that going to the WS was enough, and lose their “hunger”? Did the Yankees have a temporary 5-game hunger streak last week, only to lose that hunger suddenly? Why?
“All the positive spin aside, if they don’t correct the roster imbalance, find a catcher, and hope (pray is more like it) the pitching improves BIGTIME and fast, they will be playing uphill the rest of this season.”
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the Yankees built this team on pitching. everything else pales in comparison.
If they don’t, you really have to wonder what’s going on. It’s not like CC and AJ are young. They are well established and you’re only counting on them to pitch to their career averages at this point.
Hey Pete, can you ban soxnation to for supprting someone who has made viscious personal attacks on a player for no good reason except to incite our fanbase and to point out how much he irrationally hates a guy he knows nothing about?
Just putting the idea out there.
Thanks.
Hal cannot be happy about the empty seats, .500 record, underperforming, and 0-4 record against Boston.
I know he admittedly knows nothing about baseball, but even he has to be able to see what is right in front of him or atleast have his advisers relay this info to him.
Teixeiramvp-
It’s entirely possible!
The bottom line for me is I still think the Yankees can win, I think there’s enough time. But I think there’s lots of things they can and should do better now and in the future.
“Huby-Our minor league team is doing crazy good. Not sure what you mean about the minor leagues.”
What minor league team or teams are you talking about? Ajax aside the Yankees don’t have much young offense at AA and above. Unfortunately we talk up the Yankee pitching depth but the Sox have just as much.
CB-SJ44
Don’t you think that if the starting pitchers were doing better they would adress the roster inbalance?
Tom K-I think the Sox are just off to a little better start.
I am 100% confident in the pitching and if that gets better, we improve by leaps and bounds.
By the way, when Toronto plays Boston I’m seriously considering rooting for the Sox, God help me.
“I get the impression that whenever the Yanks and Sox play, the Sox have complete control of things. It’s as though the Yankees have to struggle just to keep up. The Sox are younger, faster, hungrier, and healthier.”
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shocking then that the Yankees won the season series between the 2 teams last season and the teams are virtually 50/50 in recent history.
Or are you throwing that out the window and making a definitive judgment based on 4 games, sans ARod?
Billy-Look at their record.
The minor league (AAA) team is winning games, but who on the minor league team is ready to fill in at the ML level? That’s the question.
soxnation-Because Ortiz is hitting AND fielding so well…
From Spring Training -
If they don’t, Girardi probably won’t be allowed back for the third and final season of his contract.
“I haven’t even thought about it, to be honest with you,” Hal Steinbrenner said. “You know, as far as I’m concerned, we’re going to make the playoffs. Our fans expect that every year, and we expect that every year and my dad expects that every year. So we’re going into this very, very positively, on a good note. We’re healthy, we’re firing on all cylinders. … We’ll cross that bridge when we come to it, if we come to it, but I’m not expecting we will.”
“Getting back A-Rod and losing Posada kind of puts us right back to where we started.”
Alex DH/Pena 3B
Doreen-You’re right. We’ll have to wait a bit for our depth to fill in.
“Hey Pete, can you ban soxnation”
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or perhaps you can stop engaging and enabling him…
Trish, best of luck to you.
I hope ARod is back this weekend – Yanks need his bat and I will get to see him in Toronto next week.
As for Girardi, I like the fire he is showing lately. He should keep it up.
I realized something last night – I really despise Pappelbon – he is a complete tool.
The Yankees say 2 weeks. It really means 2 months.
They are terrible with injuries. This medical staff needs to go.
Arod in the field:
“In the field, he handled two chances, including a grounder by Nerio Rios on which he had to make a spin move before throwing to first.”
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....Id=rss_nyy
the hunger angle is people jsut trying to make sense out of a game of ups and downs that is impossible to predict.
didn’t you know last night in the 9th the yanks were not hungry but friday night against the angels they were hungry.
SJ again all they need is for AJ, CC, joba, Wang, Hughes, and Pettitte to pitch the way they should and they will be in great shape.
The starters have the 29th best ERA that to me appears to be a problem……..This rotation should be much better this is not; darrel may, ponson, tim redding, matt desalvo, etc… this rotation should dominate.
the pen is a longer term problem but they can fix it, especially if the starters do there job…they can also fix it from inside the organization..
“Alex DH/Pena 3B”
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Brandon, that’s actually not a bad idea on occasion.
Boston Dave-You’re right, actually.
They are just so annoying. Like gnats.
As a Sox fan that hates the Yanks and loves watching them fail, and also hates Jobah, there is NO CAUSE to rag on his Mom. In fact, the sad story if anything, makes me want to root for him ugh.
Anyone ragging on someone’s mom who clearly has a boatload of issues to deal with, is actually crossing a line that makes me wonder seriously about their makeup.
Knock it off, you are making a fool of yourself and of all of us.
“Billy-Look at their record.”
Sorry but when the Yankees go out and get a Rodriguez, Linden, Bernier, Cash (been hurt), Tomko, etc, SWB is going to win games. Developing talent on the farm is about more than wins and losses. SWB won the IL title last year, that’s really helped us this year?
Thanks a lot Sox Rock.
The AAA team is winning games because it is full of veterans
like Doug Bernier, Shelly Duncan, John Rodriguez, Todd Linden, Kevin Cash, Angel Berroa (before he was called up), Justin Leone etc.
Rotation has Igawa, Jason Johnson, Casey Fossum, etc.
Outside of A-Jackson, Kennedy, and maybe a couple relievers, the AAA team has nothing. Citing their record makes you look uninformed.
“As for Girardi, I like the fire he is showing lately. He should keep it up.”
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as long as MLB doesn’t allow head hunting. We know Beckett has no problem throwing at a guys head.
I have no problem with plunking a guy in the thigh as retaliation but the Yanks can’t afford to get into too many wars where their best players are getting drilled.
It’s great to see Girardi fired up, but IMO, they should just try to throw the Sox off with fake signs or something like that. Or just steal the Sox signs too.
They are terrible with injuries. This medical staff needs to go.
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They just hired a new team doctor before the season began.
Try again.
Huby,
I put the blame on the Yankees front office, Steinbrenner’s, Cashman, etal. After 2003, they needed to rebuild, and start drafting a new core. Instead, while Boston was drafting players like Pedroia, Youklis, and Lester, the Yankees were bringing in alleged steroid users (Sheffield), Spoiled me first players (Arod, Lofton, Sheffield) pitchers past their primes who had no business pitching in the AL East (Randy Johnson, Kevin Brown), Pitchers who looked to have upside, but couldn’t hack it in NY (Weaver, Vasquez, Farnsworth), Injury risks (Jared Wright), and total no-shows (Pavano). Add to this the moves the Yanks could have made, but didn’t.
I have to say Cashman is the worst GM in baseball. He has virtually limitless resources, but doesn’t know how to build a roster. He keeps making the same mistakes over, and over, and over. He has put some of the focus on the drafting of players in the past few seasons, but not enough. The Red Sox have run circles around the Yankees in scouting and drafting players. They have position players coming up who produce, and impact games. The Yankees have Brett Gardner, and a kid nicknamed Ajax, who hasn’t played in the majors yet. They have gone and outspent every team the past two seasons, and the team is getting older, and slower. They remind me more and more of the 80’s teams every day.
Billy-Not the point. You just made it sound as if the Sox minor league team has been dominating like the majors. If you want to talk about contributions to the big leagues, RIGHT NOW the Sox have the edge, but that should change in a few years.
“Alex DH/Pena 3B”
What about Matsui?
Shore Guy-See my post to Billy.
They just showed Joe Maddon dissing the new Yankee stadium on the Rays broadcast. Paraphrasing: “They can put ‘Yankee Stadium’ up on it, but it’s not. The real one is across the street… there’s only one Yankee Stadium.”
Who does this guy think he is???
“Boston Dave-You’re right, actually.
They are just so annoying. Like gnats.”
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it’s especially frustrating because they are so clueless but then you realize that the only reason they are even here is to try to tick Yankee fans off. Can’t fall into their trap…
Why would you want Matsui’s bat put of the lineup though? Then you’ still have automatic outs in the lineup, in the form of Cabrera-Pena-Molina.
Fan Interference-The Red Sox did get to pick earlier in the draft a lot longer.
According to ESPN, Favre’s considering unretiring.
Again.
“They just showed Joe Maddon dissing the new Yankee stadium on the Rays broadcast. Paraphrasing: “They can put ‘Yankee Stadium’ up on it, but it’s not. The real one is across the street… there’s only one Yankee Stadium.””
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I don’t have a real problem with that but who cares what he thinks anyway?
He needs to worry about why his team, loaded with talent, is fizzling early on this season… not about Yankee Stadium.
Nick in SF-Unfortuantely, while I disagree, he has every right to say it. He probably thinks he’s the reigning AL Champion. Sadly, he’s right.
They asked him about the stadium and he answered truthfully.
I do not know the numbers, but over tha past 3-4 years, the Sox always tale it to the Yanks and come July the tables are reversed and more…..Yamks do need a win tonight just so some of this doesn’t start creeping into the back of their heads….
Maddon is right… the new Yankee Stadium is an embarrassment.
The old stadium had decades of history attached to it, magic in the air, no empty seats, great atmosphere every night.
The new Yankee Stadium is like a hotel. No personality, overloaded with ads, empty seats, no buzz etc.
“What about Matsui?”
PH
Aunt Becca-Optimist Prime: I heard that’s a load of garbage.
Boston Dave: I’m going to try ignoring them, but don’t be surprised if I snap.
“Billy-Not the point. You just made it sound as if the Sox minor league team has been dominating like the majors.”
Know I didn’t but the Sox have more prospects about High-A than the Yankees. Maybe that will change once the guys start moving from Tampa. For every good draft we have had, the Sox have also drafted and signed high ceiling guys.
Pete is a Ssox fan, Susan Waldman is a Sox Fan, Bloomberg is a Sox fan, so what? The JOB of reporting on baseball, does NOT require you to reveal your personal affiliation to who you root for, which many times is a result of where you were born, and who your family rooted for.
“Instead, while Boston was drafting players like Pedroia, Youklis, and Lester, the Yankees were bringing in alleged steroid users (Sheffield), Spoiled me first players (Arod, Lofton, Sheffield) pitchers past their primes”
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That has nothing to do with the Yankees draft. You could make a list of awful Sox signings too, but they did draft some quality players.
The Yanks draft picks for a long time were horrible. They seem to have improved drastically in that department over the recent years.
The Yankees seem to be much more concerned with the draft as well as international signings and should make up ground there very quickly.
I have a feeling we’re going to go 4-15 or something against the Sox this year. We just don’t matchup well with them at all. We’re not going to win any close games against them unless it is in our last AB. This bullpen will not hold them down.
CB, you’re exactly right. The starters are fully capable of carrying this team. They have to – the team needs them. Even with all the injuries and not hitting with RISP, this team is fairly scrappy – they don’t give up. If they are given a chance to win, they will often take advantage. Leadership – the Yankees need it from them and badly.
Source-I heard it’s beautiful and players say that they think it’s very similar to the old stadium.
“I have a feeling we’re going to go 4-15 or something against the Sox this year. We just don’t matchup well with them at all.”
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you willing to make a bet on your “feeling”?
just give me an amount…
I cant help but wonder how all those people who accused Posada of doging it last week in Detroit feel now. Let this be a lesson against knee jerk reactions.
They just showed a graphic on SNY– “Is Beltran the best player in NY?”
I’d have to say yes. And Santana is the best pitcher. K-Rod is the best reliever (based on ERA and is much younger)
Nick that’s hardly dissing new YS. A lot fans feel the same way as Maddon. Peoples hearts are in the old place.
NickSF.
I am convinced that almost all of Maddon’s confidence, swagger and owning the Red Sox at Tampa is a result of you sending him a pair of Elvis Costello frames.
Can you ask for them back?
-dennis
Clint-Why?
All thse games have been close, and that’s with bad starting pitching and no ARod.
About time Burnett starts earning his money
Dude, guys
The old stadium was what it was because of everything that happened on the field.
Wait ’till the New Stadium’s around a few (or 85) years and then decide again.
Frank-Really? Last year Mo had the lower ERA.
The year is not over. Mo’s ERA will certainly go down.
“The JOB of reporting on baseball, does NOT require you to reveal your personal affiliation to who you root for, which many times is a result of where you were born, and who your family rooted for.”
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Still, it’s easy to pick out the passionate journalists from the ones who see it as a job. Personally, I’d rather follow a writer who shares my enthusiasm than one who is indifferent or even worse, a fan of an opponent.
I think Pete does a great job either way.
We’re not going anywhere this bullpen
Unless you think the starters are going to throw 7-8 innings every time, you have to address the bullpen.
By not addressing it, you’re putting pressure on them and the manager to stretch them out. The starter on 120 pitches > the bullpen. It’s not “burning them out”, it’s giving the team the best chance to win.
Chances of Joba going after yuck’s head tonight?
Frank
May 5th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
They just showed a graphic on SNY— “Is Beltran the best player in NY?”
I’d have to say yes. And Santana is the best pitcher. K-Rod is the best reliever (based on ERA and is much younger)
And Ramiro Pena has more clutch hits than David Wright!
“K-Rod is the best reliever ”
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he’s not even close to Rivera
based on ERA? who are you? Jerry Manuel? get real.
I really thought the “old stadium magic” thing was a myth.
If you’re a good team you normally (with exceptions of course) play well at home. The Yankees were a very good team for a while and as a result the record at the Old Stadium was very good.
Ad don’t use 2001 as an example how the Yankees just “didn’t have the magic” on the road. They went ahead despite being more or less dominated in the eighth inning thanks to Soriano’s bomb. If Mo gets the save, and he generally does, we’re just as magical away from home as at the Satdium.
Chances of Joba going after yuck’s head tonight?
He’d have to throw into the Sox Dugout ’cause that’s where Youkless will be
Some people, like Olney,Kirjinian(sp),Gammons etc really love the game you can tell, and I agree they are more fun to listen to as they really get it.
Someday I would love for all writers, and the ilk to reveal who they root for if any, and then try to see how well that lines up with what our perception of them is
“PH”
Matsui is way too good to be relegated to a pinch hitting role.
A-rod + Matsui > Pena + A-rod (IMO)
Javitt-Zero. Youk is not playing.
I do not suggest that Mr. Maddon does not have the right to say whatever he wants (except he would be truly reckless to use the phrase “Posada Truthers” in the wrong company).
I do suggest that we Yankees fans are within our own rights to think him a buttinski and a meddler and take offense at his silly remarks.
Or maybe I just wanted to give folks an opportunity to take a short break from the ‘woe is us’ act and enjoy a ’shmoe is him’ moment.
The Bruney injury hurts more than any of them at the moment
We have no setup man. We have no reliever who can pitch clean innings.
We’re forcing Melancon to grow up fast
Nick in SF-Point wel taken. Good effort on the “shmoe” moment thing.
BX 44-I am a Melancon guy. He’ll do fine.
If I’m Cashman, I assume Posada is not coming back this year.
I go out and get a legit catcher like Max Ramirez or someone
Trish, I may be in the same boat soon as my company is about to be acquired and not sure if I’ll survive.
That said, will you still marry me?
Hang in there as everything will work out for you.
Bruce-I agree about the legit catcher. But because of a hamstring strain you assume he’s not coming back at all?
Pat M,
Its definitely true this team always gives up the early games to the Sox.
But, don’t you get the feeling something isn’t right with this team? I don’t mean the injuries. Every team has injuries.
They just can’t make the big play in games anymore. Don’t make the big pitch when needed. Definitely don’t get the big hit when needed.
I just think the year to year turnover, coupled with huge FA contracts, just adds to the stress of this team.
They don’t play with a looseness a good team plays with.
Now, a team could grow into that. However, this team still plays tight.
Are they going to loosen up when Arod gets back? Not likely.
I think the pitching is going to have to find a way to get much, much better in the next month or the division will get away from them.
It just seems like a very, very tight team to me and it shows no sign of loosening up.
A win tonight could really help them in that regard.
“Matsui is way too good to be relegated to a pinch hitting role.”
You want to get him hurt, by all means
Yeah Joe Maddon is a dope.
Good 5:28 post Pete, really puts things in perspective. I expect Posada back towards the end of June.
I reaaaally want to respond to the knucklehead (we all know who I mean). But I won’t…
you play to win the game. HELLO
yea Maddon the manager that plays in a total dump is talking about Yankee Stadium… Newsflash the tickets are overpriced, a big Yankee management mistake.. They need to rectify it.. We do have a severe economic downturn occuring so they need to adjust.
the yanks are averaging 40 + thousand a game, check out league attendance.. tampa drew in the 20,000 last week when they palyed the sux.
yanks will still lead of the league i nattendance and some of the tickets are priced so high it is a joke….
on the draft prospects, they have plenty of them.. theresystem was totally devoid of talent about 5 years ago and now it is not and improving all the time…is it the best in baseball? I have no idea but it has many more prospects then they had 5 yrs ago and are continuing to improve it.. BTW Hughes is 22, Joba 23, and Melancon 23 or 24… Melky no mickey mantle is 24, cano is 25 or 26, this is not asenior citizen team….all the espn propoganda is bologna, look things up on your own and do some research.. again why do the yanks avg. more runs scored per game then the sux if there offense is substantially worse then the sux???I am all eyes and ears……….
So lemme get this straight – fans overpayed for the ridiculously priced yankee tickets yesterday, drove to the bronx, payed 20 plus dollars for parking, probably bought food at some point and waited around the stadium for the over two hours rain delay, asked team employees who should be pretty reliable (its not like they are calling up asking their friend to check weather,com) who said that the game was cancelled, walked out of the stadium, found out the game wasnt cancelled and were not let back on. OF COURSE THAT WOULD RESULT IN A FIGHT . Are you kidding me? I would be sooo ticked off, i wouldnt even want to be near me in a situation like that. I cant imagine. And the balls on these guards to deny them entrance at that point especially since its was the yankees own employees telling them to leave.
And im sure the guards did it in some sort of nasty, I dont have time for you sort of way like they do to me even though they are supposed to be working to make the game more enjoyable. I thought security guards were hired mainly for the fans benefit but it seems in yankee stadium they are hired just to piss fans off like putting guards to block empty seats in the guard stand when the game is almost over to make sure the fans who got screwed getting bleacher seats dont actually get to sit anywhere close to a decent seat.
I am disgusted with this story but I cant say Im particularly surprised. Afterall, this kind of BS falls right in line with most other things the organization has done to screw in one way or another almost all of the fans that are actually fans. They said before they actually moved that seat placement was going to be comparable and I moved from the field level third base line to the bleachers in left. They said the packages were going to be comparable and then, they eliminate almost all the small season ticket plans and took away all the special games. They said we would have options in terms of seating and outside of buying an 80 game plan, we had no other option except buy the crappy tickets or dont.
Oh yea, and parking and food prices are higher when they were supposed to stay the same or so they said last season. This newest story is just another way the organization treated their fans without any respect at all apparently thinking it is pretty easy to replace a yankee fan with a new stadium. I dont think it is so easy to find fans that actually care to come to a game when all the old fans stop coming because of the mistreatment. And if the team loses this year and doesnt even make the playoffs, they better think about bringing the prices back down to last years level because cutting the most expensive tickets in the stadium in half when you have to buy a season ticket plan for those seats in May isnt going to change anything. Particularly, when those seat prices are still three times the price they cost at citifield.
SJ44-No I really don’t feel that way. We’ve gotten the big hit and pitch several times this season already and have a few really good comebacks.
“You want to get him hurt, by all means”
Huh? Matsui is fine dude, he’s raking right now and is one of the only remaining impact bats in the lineup.
That doesn’t make any sense to bench Matsui because you are afraid he gets hurt.
Here’s to seeing either Melancon and/or Robertson tonight. Neither one has been seen on a mound in a few days. Don’t want to see the 3 Stooges.
I love the potential of Melancon and have followed him closely. He did not enter far enough games with inherited runners in scoring position. He pitched multiple innings but learned to get out of my own jams.
dennis: Mr. Maddon can wear any frames he wants, but I say his aim is *not* true, he is *last* year’s model, and I do *not* trust him.
soxnation
Course you wouldn’t know anything about quitters would you. (Manny)
Trevor-MELANCON.
“They just showed Joe Maddon dissing the new Yankee stadium on the Rays broadcast. Paraphrasing: “They can put ‘Yankee Stadium’ up on it, but it’s not. The real one is across the street… there’s only one Yankee Stadium.”
Who does this guy think he is???”
Personally, I think he’s correct. I finally got to use my wonderful Weekday Plan season tickets last night. We used to sit in Section 2 behind home plate.We now sit in the last row of Section 431B.It’s no wonder you can find seats below face value on StubHub. Rather than being on top of the field like the Yankee Stadium upper deck,you feel like youre in another zip code in the new ballpark. If youre anywhere near our section, bring binoculars. The amenities are nice, especially if you’re rich. I love the facade. Other than that, I’d do a happy dance if they bulldozed the new place tomorrow and moved back into the real Yankee Stadium.
You’d have to limit Matsui’s ABs just to keep Alex fresh and Alex is not sitting over Matsui. Your going to see Matsui hit as a PH otherwise he’s going to get hurt or Alex will playing day to day at 3B.
I can’t blame Cashman for the bullpen
How could he or any of us have thought that the pen would be THIS bad? They can’t get anyone out without giving up runs. Like the Mets last year. 29th ranked Bullpen ERA, only the Angels are worse.
MaineYankee-I’m cracking. Yooouuuuk…
Wait, he’s not playing.
I think our bullpen will get betteras Bruney comes back and guys learn ther roles.
With Posada out until likely mid-June. I see us .500 at the ASB. Not good at all, the pen is going to blow a lot of games and the hitting will continue to be atrocious regardless of A-Rod.
Al from BK-Atrocious? We’re in the top half of the league!
W/no Posada+ARod and the real Tex, we’re maybe a bat and a half better than we were since Tex has arrived for theseason and ARod is a better player than Jorge.
We did have plenty of depth at the beginning of the season— Bruney, Marte, Coke, Melancon, Veras, Edwar, Robertson, Aceves, Tomko, Albaladejo, Sanchez, Claggett, Jackson etc. who knew that all of them would be ineffective at the same time except Bruney? (and Melancon is unproven)
Just bad luck.
NickSF.
Well played. Hope EC is adjusting to his new digs.
Any plays this eve that I need to pull for other than the only game that matters this eve?
-dennis
Tex
I usually don’t feed the trolls but I couldn’t resist.
Gotta go guys.
Go Yankees!
wow, that’s bad news about Jorge – why am I not surprised? I’m trying very hard not to get depressed about this, but it’s hard.
SJ – Great post. This team does lack a certain edge and does not play loose. They may be lose in the clubhouse and the dugout, but if you watch them, they are as tight as a drum.
Yeah Randy, They have looked tight all season especially in Boston….I though and still do, that another 4-5 game run will continue to transform that mentality….They also look flat as a result and play only a few innings ( 7th-9th )….I still say they’ll be the team to beat come July….
Maddon should stop his Cryin, Waitin, Hoping… That’ll Be The Day when his ballpark comes close to YS. Yankee Stadium magic will Not Fade Away
all you Einsteins need to know is the yanks have a worse ERA then the cleveland Indians…….
Look it up Sherlocks….
they have a worse pitching staff then the indians YTD but let’s talk about the 3rd best offense.. let’s tweak this and trade for that to help the offense.
tell CC,AJ, and the gang to do what they are paid to do, problem solved……
Trisha, just read your post above about your personal situation. I have every confidence that you’ll land on your feet due to your talent and hard work, but best of luck anyway.
I dont blame cash for the pen as much as i blame him for molina being pretty much our only option right now at catcher. You have a 37 year old catcher who was injured almost all of last season and has to catch a decent amount this season and the guy is going to get hurt at some point 9 times out of 10. And who do we bring in to try to ease the burden of replacing a guy like posada when molina didnt work last year and crumbled as an every day player? NOBODY THAS WHO. Great job cash – what a good magic trick. Sign the big name players and then, go on vacation. And the pen is cash’s fault of course. Who else is to blame? He didnt add a single piece to it this off season expecting about five or six relievers with one decent year under their belts to come back and perform like 2008 and that is an unrealistic expectation for those guys. We have three proven relievers in the organization and marte has yet to prove himself in NY.
Melancon is going to be great but he cant be relied upon a week into his major league career to be the setup guy. SO YES, it is cashmans fault. Posada getting injured and the bullpen being highly volatile are both completely foreseeable. I saw those two moves as our two greatest needs towards the end of the last off-season and if I can see them, then Im sure they are foreseeable to cashman. And he did nothing, NOTHING AT ALL to plug either one of them and now we are going to have to suffer through this. BUT IT MOST CERTAINLY IS CASHMANS FAULT – there is no one, i repeat no one else to blame for it.
At least YS isn’t named after Orange Juice. I don’t have a problem with what Maddon said but I’m sure he would love to be managing in a first class facility.
Tropicana Field is the worst looking park in baseball. And they’re not getting a park (to my knowledge) anytime soon. But the Marlins are.
If you know the team hasn’t won in 8 years (for a franchise who has a mandate that you must win the WS every year) and are afraid to get booed and have to deal with the media and live up to a contract etc….. why would you play loose? Some of these guys just can’t handle all that. Our players have to deal with all this.
The Sox can play loose– they have nothing to prove. They are the model franchise in the sport. All of their players have rings and championship pedigree. They have tremendous confidence and swagger from all the success they have had. Their young players all have achieved so much (MVP for Pedroia, No hitter for Lester, GG/Allstar for Youkallis, world series rings for all of them etc.) they can just relax.
bmass-Why would I do that if it’s not true?
SJ44 – I usually find your comments insightful, but I have to disagree on one, above, where you call on the Yanks to trade for a catcher, and get it done.
Well, as you know, it takes two to trade. As I remember, (granted I may have details wrong), the Red Sox tried desperately to NOT sign Varitek this past winter, and tried to acquire one of Texas’ surplus. Reportedly, Jon Daniels wanted Bucholz in return, and that killed the deal.
So, what if Mr. Daniels tells Cash, sure, he can have Teagarden, but it’ll cost Joba, or Phil Hughes. You still want to make that deal?
I read once that Gene Michael said, you can always make a trade. The question is what is what’s it gonna cost.
dave is the starting rotation Cahsmans fault also??
Please share your pearls of wisdom with us….
CC, AJ, Joba, Wang, the ineffectiveness I assume that is Cashmans fault, please explain….
The Yanks also had the 5th best pen last year ERA wise and added Melancon(stud) and guys with another year under there belt and Marte for a full season and now they are the worst in baseball and this could have been predicted.. Dave what stocks should I buy??
Give me a break, you are another clown….
dennis: I already got bulldozed by Manchester United today, ouch. I really like the SF Giants with Lincecum pitching, but that’s also in the rear view mirror. I’m thinking of a Cavs/Cavs-over/Mavs teaser, and I’m thinking I like the Cavs to cover the 12, I think they’re on a mission to be in cruise control until Kobe comes calling, but my thoughts on both of those matters are not too deep. This will be a lay-low evening for me. Oh, I do like Joba vs Blister.
A Grade 2 tear? Expect him out for 2 months.
As a catcher, he can’t come back off that and be a 70-80%. Its 100% or nothing.
That means, 2 months. A killer blow to this team.
They can’t have Molina and Cervelli catch for 2 months and expect to get anywhere.
They are going to have to go outside the organization for a catcher and if it means overpaying, so be it.
2 championships after over 80 years, yeah the model franchise in sport.
The model franchise (and I’m a Giants fan)-Pittsburgh Steelers. They won their two championships in a league where it’s tougher to string together championships and in a shorter amount of time.
“Even if the pitching staff pitches up to expectations from here on out, without Jorge there are no guarantees. The Yanks need to get more bench help now, and even so it’s going to be a “close run thing” (to quote the Duke of Wellington) with Boston and Tampa.”
I agree. It was going to be a toss up going into the season with the Yankees perhaps having a small, but significant edge due to their pitching.
But that was life on paper or in a computer simulation.
Their margin for error is now gone.
In missing Alex for the first 5 weeks (or longer depending on how hot/cold he starts out as until he returns t baseline form…) and now Jorge until June they’ve traded in net all start level performance at one composite position for replacement level production.
And with that close to half season replacement level production any advantage they may have had coming into the season is wiped out.
Having Alex and Jorge out for half the season is going to cost them between 3-4 wins off the top of my head given that they are being replaced by Ransom/Berroa/ Pena and Molina/Cervelli.
3-4 wins. That’s just enormous. Very hard to overcome those lost wins unless boston or tampa has similar injuries to one of their key players.
Grade 2 tear-hmmm…
I guess we’ll have to sign a catcher.
Maybe Posada’ll be back sooner than thought. He beat the odds to get back healthy this year.
Could somebody please find the BB totals for teams starting pitching.
Maybe I’m wrong, but we have to be up in the top 5 walks allowed by our starting pitching.
Every start, outside of AJ’s first two and Andy’s, have been a struggle to find the zone.
Even when CC keeps us in the game, he is not commanding his pitches in the zone.
I would really appreciate it. Thanks.
That being said, you absolutely can’t count on Jorge beating the odds.
GREAT news on arod
The funny part is
If you watch the Sox and Yanks play, you would think that it was the Sox who was the team that hadn’t won in a while and was the underdog with nothing to prove and can just have fun and not have to deal with pressure because they are not supposed to win
And you would think it was the Yankees who were tight as a drum because they have won so much lately and they feel pressure to win and beat the Sox because they are expected to.
When in reality, the tables are turned. They are the team that has won and playing lose, we’re the team that hasn’t won that is playing tight
And, for what it’s worth (no jokes, please), I think the lineup tonight is plenty good to win. It all depends on the quality of the starting pitching. If people play as they are capable of, they have the talent to win.
Last year, the year of Sir Sidney, Darrell Rasner and Dan Geise, they won 89 games. It’s all of May 5th and they’re all of 2.5 games behind Boston.
SJ,
When did you become so overly negative? I dont remember you being like this before. And this team is 100 times better than last year in terms of talent and ability. I really think that it will take quite a lot to prevent this team from making the playoffs – like a whirlwind of injuries all year. Of course, you never know with us but i really think they have a good shot at being a solid team. Its only the beginning of May and we are over 500 without arod or wang contributing anything positive whatsoever. Thas our best hitter and our ace the past few seasons. We could be doing better but honestly, that isnt too bad. The team has its fair share of problems already but it can overcome them if they just get on a role after arod comes back.
Yeah… we’re pretty much screwed
Go work the phones Cashman, or our season could take a major turn for the worse. Posada is that important.
JoeyA
May 5th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Could somebody please find the BB totals for teams starting pitching.
I’ll get right on it, Can I get you some coffee too?
I don’t think we’re playing “tight”. People just can’t accept that they’ve lost so much and are latching on to this rather unspecific reason rather than saying we’ve been outplayed and it happens and we always beat the Sox in the second half of the season.
So who are we willing to give up to get a catcher?
Nick.
I took the Cle/Atl over but not Cle. I am going to take the NNY as it is the pleased either way plus the Sox lineup this eve is brutal.
Looking ahead, I really like the over in Cle/Sox tomorrow. Pavano-Masterson. Should be a 7-6 game IMO. That is my 5 star lock of the week. That means take the under!!
-dennis
It’s not about being negative, it’s about being realistic. I wonder who else is going to get hurt – every day, it’s an injury watch.
OMG what are we going to do! im so worried at our position in the beginning of may! look how far behind we are! dont we always beat everyone at the start if the season! we never win games after may!…….wowwww some people gotta chill.
Joe from Long Island-EXACTLY.
Sj44-You do seem to be much more pessimistic…I remember one day I said that our bullpen sucked, and you called me a whiny twelve year old. Now you seem to be grouped with the group of people who always believe that the Yankees will lose, they’re never good enough, they just don’t have “it”…etc.
Why the sudden attitude change?
” I cant help but wonder how all those people who accused Posada of doging it last week in Detroit feel now.”
what would have happened if posada would have been disabled then?
he couldn’t run. he was hurt.
he probably would have been out two weeks and then would have avoided the deeper injury.
the question at the the time was two weeks or risk 6-8 weeks?
someone made a bad decision.
Joe,
The Yankees have to make a tough decision.
Is this a “rebuilding year” with a 210 million dollar payroll or do they want to make a playoff run?
If its a “rebuilding year”, knock off another 50% off the ticket prices, call up Austin Jackson in July (if he is still hitting), tell the fans they don’t want to make any deals, and just play it out the rest of the year.
If they want to try and make a playoff run, they need a catcher.
They can’t make a playoff run with Cervelli and Molina catching. They just can’t.
Look at last year’s playoff teams and find me a team that had catching that weak. It can’t be done.
Yes, it takes two to make a trade. However, the Yankees have a surplus of something very few teams in the game have right now. Young arms at every level of the organization.
If they can’t make a trade to get a catcher, they need a new GM. Plain and simple.
You don’t have to trade Joba and Hughes for a catcher.
You can trade a George Kontos, Ryan Pope, perhaps even a Zach McAllister if the catcher is one of a higher regard.
If not, keep McAllister and use Kontos and a few of the other guys as bait. They have the depth in the system to make a deal. Question is, will they use it?
Its the most important position on the field. The Yankees tried it the “in house” way last year and got nowhere.
That has to change this year.
Not only for this year but, for next year too.
Its pretty clear the day of Jorge catching 100-110 games are over.
They can’t wait for A Ball guys to be ready. They need a catcher.
Better to get it now and move on, than wait any longer, IMO.
Posada going out pretty much cancels out the immediate effect ARod will have on the lineup………..uggggghhhh.
The team is too tight and putting too much pressure on itself.
I thought people said that AJ Burnett learning Chinese would loosen up the team?
Give up IPK and Gardner for Salty.
What Red Sox have and the Yankees do not have, is a huge home field advantage. They have a team that hits and pitches much better at Fenway than on the road. Pedroia is a perfect example. His career batting average is 56 points higher in Fenway ( over 100 points better so far in ‘09). He’s hit 66 doubles in Fenway, but only 39 on the road. He won the MVP last year because he was such a force at home and it translated into one of the best home records in baseball vs a losing record on the road.
The Yankees on the other hand havent played appreciably better at home than on the road in a few years. The home record may be better, but the style of play remains the same for better or worse.
my questions would be is why didn’t the yankees get a new younger catcher,bullpen help & fix cf??
they seem to react to problems instead of setting themselves up going forward.
i would of traded for a cf & catcher or signed free agents.
you can;t spend 209 million on payroll & wait for prospects to mature.
if they are ready bring them up if not fix the problems now.
they got so happy about the pitching staff that they ignored everything else.
Erik Sec. 309-ARod is betterthan Jorge and Tex is showing up. I think our lineup will still be a good bat and a half better.
I would put my money on Burnett (being the next to the DL)
It is amazing… everyone has basically been hurt this year except him. What were the odds on that lol
Drive 4-5: Who cares about the style of play if the record is better.
As long as we win lots of games, I don’t care how many it takes on the road or at home.
Stuart
Thats funny you should think that considering I was saying that cash should get another arm ALL THE END OF LAST OFF SEASON. People used those same lame arguments you said above. But it didnt matter because they dont have any experience outside of two or three guys. Two or three out of 12 or 13 isnt enough. Marte did not show us much of anything last year which is an ominous sign. Melancon was not even supposed to be called up nearly this early if everything was on track and cannot be expected to become a huge factor right off the bat. SO YES, cash could have easily saw the need for another arm. And this IS NOT HINDSIGHT. I said it 100 times before. If i knew about stocks, id tell you about that but I know about the yanks so I can predict things – its not fortune telling. Its just thinking about what few holes could we plug without paying much money.
And it was a reliever and a backup catcher- needs that can be filled on the cheap with some smart moves. but thas cash’s problem – he has no clue how to make the smart and cheap moves. Thas why we never have a solid bench or enough depth it seems. This isnt rocket science or brain surgery. You see a hole you can mend on the cheap, you fix it cheaply in the off-season. You dont wait for the thing to become glaring and then, scramble for a player via trade and give up unnecessary talent. Is that me telling the future? Have some common sense.
“I remember one day I said that our bullpen sucked, and you called me a whiny twelve year old.”
Maybe the attitude change is his way of saying ‘Happy Birthday!’ and ‘Today, you are a man. Mazel tov!’
Obviously the Posada news is bad. I’d bet on about a 4 week recovery. I hope they can live with Molina. Overall though, I think the team is starting to right itself. A Rod is coming back, Tex is coming on, Hughes is pitching much better than Wang did and the bullpen has 3 arms in Melancon, Robertson and Aceves who should be more reliable than the pen has been so far.
Yes, the Red Sox have the Yankees number right now, but the Yankees record is 5-2-1 in all the series they have played this year. The only series they have lost are the opening one in BAL and then BOS, so overall, things are not as bad as it feels sometimes.
Off topic….
Anyone else fed up hearing/reading about Brett Favre? It was a good run.
-dennis
Nick in SF-You think I’m old enough to buy a car?
Anyone notice how Francona and the rest of the team laughs for everything bad that happens to us?
Ellsbury stole home and Francona is on the top step laughing
Yesterday, the 1B coach was telling him about how Girardi thought he was stealing signs and he was laughing and Papi gave him a high five.
Such is the life when you have won 2 titles in 5 years, you can be loose and laugh at other people’s anger.
What happened to “Zero Tolerance” for trolls?
nO ONE would have logically predicted wang would be a mess to start the season but i KNOW that was just a smart@$$ question on your part so I dont know why I am even answering that.
Do you really think i come on this blog in may and just start making up what I was saying all throughout January and february? I dont think so. I said it then and now, I am just steamed that I can foresee which holes to fill better than our esteemed GM apparently.
Texmvp: I have no idea how old you are, but Doogie Howser owned a car!
(also, it was a joke)
Dave,
I’m a realist. I’m not a cheerleader.
They played the most important guy on the team with a bad hamstring on a wet field last night and he blew it out.
You think that’s a smart decision? I don’t.
Taken as a whole, its a series of bad decisions this team has, and continues to, make and it hurts their chances for the post-season.
Every team loves themselves in ST. However, stuff happens during the season.
How a team reacts to it, and solves its issues, determines their fate.
Its not being negative to ask how in the world Posada is in the lineup, given the condition of the field, last night.
Or to ask, how in the world does Chien Ming Wang leave ST with weakness in his injured foot and NOBODY picks that up?
Or, its not out of line to ask that if the most expensive guy on the team had a hip problem last year, why no MRI or monitoring of it in the off-season.
That’s just 3 examples. I can give you more if you like.
That’s not being negative, those are legitimate questions.
If I owned the team, I’d sure as hell like the answer to those questions.
Those 3 issues may very well keep this team out of the playoffs again this year.
That’s not an overstatement.
The same mistakes every, single year. Names change, payroll changes but, the same mistakes.
That ain’t good.
I find it stunning that anyone could write about the Sox having such a huge advantage playing at fenway with that joke of a rightfield in the OLD Yankee stadium, not even mentioning the RIDICULOUS right field in the new Stadium.
Nick in SF-Am I really that bad? I was continuing the joke.
Teixeiramvp (JobaCyYoung)
May 5th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Drive 4-5: Who cares about the style of play if the record is better.
As long as we win lots of games, I don’t care how many it takes on the road or at home.
Problem is, they’re not nearly as good at home than Boston. Since the end of ‘07 Boston is 29 games over .500 at home, the Yanks only 17 games.
Gardner and IPK for Salty HAHAHAHAHA
Some you jackasses insist on attributing value to “IPK” and “Gardy”
Hey Texas will you take our $hit and give us your franchise?
Please…?
yeah Dave I beleive everythign you are saying .the 5th best pen, wit ha full season and young coke, and totally healed Bruney, Marte for a full season and about 6 power arms in the minors could be predicted from bing the 5th best ERA to the 29th in a few months.
BS.. You are a typical whiny, spoiled yankee fan who has no clue. I remember in 99, the mariners came into YS andswept the Yanks the mariners won about 105 games in the regular season I also remember what happened in the playoffs.
again ; coke, bruney, melancon, Mo, marte, and whomever should be a good pen..
On the catcher front more crystal ball work for you; backup catchers in the al east today are Kotteras, hernandez, moeller, molina, and I have no clue how toronto has.. You are correct Dave great backup catchers are all over the place.. the tampa backup hernandez and moeller are yankee retreads.
Get a clue…………
Al,
IPK and Gardner doesn’t even start a conversation for a good catcher. That’s a non-starter.
If this team can survive til July without Jorge or bullpen help. Then maybe we make a heroic post ASB run.
“Posada going out pretty much cancels out the immediate effect ARod will have on the lineup………..uggggghhhh.”
On the flip side the team is scoring close to 6 runs a game.
They’ve been bad with RISP and the distribution of their runs over games is an issue.
But if they were only to stay at the status quo with ARod coming back and Posada being hurt that wouldn’t be so bad.
But will Cano, Swisher, and Melky keep hitting like they have been? Unlikely.
The one other area of upside they have is Teixeira. He’s been awful and that won’t last.
Tex and Alex should be the best 3-4 place hitters in the game.
Now they’ll need to be.
Why are the yanks so damn injury prone? Most of the guys on the dl are younger guys also. And what the heck is with the yankees and hamstring problems? Is it my imagination or do the yanks have far, far more hamstring issues than all other teams in baseball combined.
Hope Joba pitches better than Hughes
Biggest game of the year
Drive 4-5: Maybe. But we’re not playing to bad at home so far this year. Anyway, if we play really well on the road who cares.
SJ44 – I agree, they are not looking at this as a rebuilding year, not when you spend that kind of coin. Yes, trading Pope or Kontos or even McAllister for a good young catcher sounds great. But it still takes two to deal.
I wish I could remember who it was, but it was a longtime GM who said last year that it had become much more difficult to make a trade. Used to be, you found a logical match that helped both sides, and you were done. Now, the philosophy seems to be that you have to rob the other party blind, maybe to look good to fans or talk shows. Hence, more difficult to deal.
Besides, even though I’m not in the business world, seems to me that the best way to negotiate is from a position of strength. If Cash were to broadcast that Posada is out for 2 months, at least, and the Yanks are desperate to justify their investment, he’s going to be raped. The best thing for Cash to make a deal, I think, is for the team to suck it up, and get it done as is.
Trisha-good luck to you. I was rereading the thread and saw your post about your current situation. Hang in there.
Favre going to the Vikings maybe? Enough! Stay retired man!!
So, let’s get a win tonight. Go Jobber!
No guarantee that A-Rod is effective immediately anyway either.
Okay then Hughes and Melky for Salty. He is a future franchise catcher, and Jorge can be the full time DH next season with Damon and Godzilla off the books.
SJ you are correct if the wang and arod situation were management being dilligent..
posada should not have been playing yesterday id his hammy was giving him problems.. I assume it was not else it is his fault and mamangements that he played and there should be consequences for that foolishness.
On the arod front if he did not inform them of his discomfort when it started he is an idiot and same for wang… maybe they need some new doctors………
The season can still be salvaged if Cashman decides to salvage it.
Kind of pathetic how we are in a state of crisis every single May. Why can’t this team ever start out fast and stay injury free/.
What about Hughes for Salty and Neftali Feliz?
Is Saltalamaachia even a catcher still?
I thought he was going to be a 1st baseman eventually
Joe,
No doubt. But, if this team doesn’t make the playoffs, the manager, coaching staff and GM are gone. So, if you are the GM, you do what you have to do.
Its not easy, and its certainly not the best situation imaginable but you do what you have to do because too much is invested in this team to just throw up your hands and say, “we can’t make a deal”.
For the next couple of months, once again, its tread water time for the team.
Stay within 5 games of a playoff spot from now until the 4th of July and hope they get healthy enough to make a run the second half of the year.
Probably the best situation you can hope for right now given the injuries and the state of the roster.
saltalammachia has not exactly dominated in the big leagues yet.. they are not trading hughes for him nor should they….
Who, if not Posada, was going to DH last night? Matsui, of the two bad knees? If he blew out a knee, Girardi gets ripped. Then who? Ramiro Pena? (I could see Pena starting instead of Berroa, though.) Brett Gardner? Not a lot of choices there. Brett and Melky is the starting lineup, wiht one as DH? You could, but you’re not sending your best lineup against Boston, your prime competition.
Not a lot of choices there. Last year, Jeter and Alex got leg injuries playing in damp, cold weather in the spring. Neither is a 37 yo catcher with thick legs.
Wow you want to bounce Hughes for Salty?
Seems kinda irresponsible no?
Seeing as how Santana wasn’t good enough to pry away Hughes I think logic would dictate otherwise.
They’ll survive without Jorge…..Look, They have Cano and Matsui back,,,They’ve added Texeria and Swisher…Getting Alex and Nady back will cure all offensive concerns….It’s going to come down to pitching…..Believe it or not, you can win with a .220 hitting defensive catcher ( Boston Angels, etc.) it’s been done many times before )…Yeah it hurts, but it’s far from being terminal…
“He (arod) otherwise refused to take questions.”
Good – if he’s going to get burned alive by the press at every turn, then what’s the point of giving them kindling. I really hope he ONLY talks baseball from here on out… he gave Gammons the big interview – end of story.
From Batting Practice:
“Phil Hughes: I was frustrated. I continually hit spots I wanted to hit and didn’t get the call. It was frustrating.”
Not of course that I want everyone to have to relive last night’s messed up game calling!!! Grr.
Okay. Well, I postulated that if Cervelli got called up it would be a good sign about the Yankee organization’s take on Jorge’s injury. So I am now going to take it as a good sign.
Again, to all of you who took time to give me words of encouragement, thank you so very much. Believe me, those words are so important and meaningful at a time like this. (In an ideal world they would call me in and say they wanted my services so much that they were willing to make the necessary changes. Of course those kinds of win/wins only happen to other people!)
Doreen, I liked your post about the need to sometimes hash out our thoughts and feelings and look at the reality of the current situation and tell it like it is, from the heart – but then to regroup and still hold on to that optimism. To me that is the ideal way to process. I am right there with you. I really have good feelings about the way our season is going to play out, truly.
And hey, doncha all remember the NY astrologers reading the whatever about the new Stadium and saying that it had nothing but good surrounding it? So there ya go!
YankeeRay –
Of course I’ll still marry you. There are worse things in life than spending time following the Yankees from Stadium to Stadium, right?
Let’s win one for Jorgie!
It’s going to be awfully hard to survive this division…….The team is going to have to majorly overpay for a mediocre catcher, thereby removing a lot of the depth in the system. They’re probably also eventually going to have to make a trade for a reliever…….They won’t do it, but I almost hope they’d treat this like a rebuilding year – not that it would be feasible. They don’t have any young position players in AAA or even AA, aside from AJ, so what would they rebuild with?
SJ take a drink and some uppers. Your doom and gloom is unbearable.. I am not living in a fantasy land but give me a break… tread water, stay close, hang in there, give me a break..
they have a rotation and lineup today of; cc, al, JOBA, PETTITTE, AND Hughes. a lienup of jeter, damon, tex, arod(3 days), cano, swisher, matsui, garnder or melky nad catcher..
the world is not coming to an end… really man……………
Al,
You don’t trade Phil Hughes. You bag the year before you trade Phil Hughes.
Free agent pitching is expensive and doesn’t always work out the way you think. As we are seeing so far this year.
Hughes, Montero, Austin Jackson and Joba Chamberlain are untouchable. You trade any of them for a catcher, it sure as hell better be Joe Mauer AND someone else.
You don’t trade the few guys who can actually make this team younger and better in future years.
They have more than enough to make a deal. They just have to have the will. If they do, a deal can be made.
“Seeing as how Santana wasn’t good enough to pry away Hughes I think logic would dictate otherwise.”
Santana + the huge contract for Hughes and others.
Boston went to game 7 of the ALCS last year with Varitek hitting .220
It can be done… if the other guys step up.
Phil shouldn’t be saying stuff like that – he did get squeezed, but even saying something like that sort of absolves himself of any responsibility for his outing. I’m disappointed – and surprised.
stuart,
It doesnt matter at all whether you believe me or not or whether you are unsure of what cash should have done at this point because it is months later already. Point is, I WAS RIGHT. The pen does need more help. it is not as good as last season. Maybe you think it would take some kind of genius or psychic to predict this would happen and I just happened to think that this had the potential to be a problem for us. You act like the pen was not going to get injured this year at all and that our “power arms” were all proven guys with a few solid years as relievers.
These guys were all basically pitching for their first times in the majors. It was luck more than anything that the pen did so well last year. And there was a toooon of walks and base runners witih the pen last year but they managed to get out of jams. And marte has not proven A THING in NY – NOTHING. I dont really think you can slate him as our set up man before he has even pitched well here. Whether he is here for a full year or not, it was unclear and is unclear of how good that year will actually be. Bruney and Mo was what we had to rely on with the chance that melancon would become a phenom. Outside of that, nothing was proven at all. And thats what I kept saying and guess what? I WAS RIGHT. So I dont know how in the world you are still arguing that the pen should have been good when it is clear it is in real bad shape right now. Your argument is just ridiculous. i am not even sure what your point even is except to act like a two year old with your get a clue comment. If you bothered to look at molina’s splits and every catcher from the start of the off season, you would see that a couple of those signings may have worked out for us. It would have been better than molina and ummm NOBODY once again this season. Now, we can trade for a has been like a pudge type or trade high level talent for a marginal catcher. GREAT.
SJ, I think we’re on the same page.
Posada is going to be the DH more often next year, no matter how he likes it; I don’t see Matsui coming back because they have to accomodate Posada’s contract. What happened last night and today just speeds up the timeline for getting his replacement. (Even if Montero is the real deal, he’s a couple or three years away from the bigs.)
And it’s not going to be easy for Cash to do this without getting the team raped. It’s not easy for any GM, I think. But if the team plays well, then the pressure will lessen, and the chance of a reasonable or good deal for a catcher will improve.
Good news on Alex. And I’m glad that he is not giving the media anything.
Trisha, just saw your earlier posts. I’ll email you.
Lots of vitriol and speculation today. Let’s just watch and see how things play out. Either they’ll overcome the many challenges and deficiencies or they won’t. If they do, and make the playoffs, great. If they don’t, as SJ44 says, there will be changes and hopefully a new regime will do a better job.
*this drives me crazy*
Last night the posts from SJ were not from SJ. I didn’t think so but who knew. After the game someone came on imitating Fran! It wasn’t Fran.
All I can think, since it wouldn’t make sense otherwise, is it is some Sox trolls writing negative crap about the Yanks so it makes it look like SJ and Fran, for example, have given up on the Yanks. Of course, trolls just love to write polls about how the Red Sox own the Yankees and how we need to emulate the Red Sox way of doing things. (We found out that those were trolls also.)
I think if we find imposter posts we should just ask Pete to ban the ISP. It’s one thing for people to come on and emote negatively just because they are feeling negative. It’s quite another for people to come on and imitate others in an effort to demean both the person and the Yankees.
My opinion.
And don’t think Theo isn’t looking at this and wondering when something will happen to Varitek. They saw life without Varitek two years ago and didn’t like it. That’s why they were desperate to get a deal done last winter. I wouldn’t be surprised if Theo tries to prevent any deal Cash tries, if not steal the player for himself.
Kim says that Cervelli will be playing often because Molina isin’t going to play 7 days in a row
Hope he is ready. Hope Girardi doesn’t use him with AJ… that would be a disaster.
1 less run scored then the sux with no 3B, very limited production from 1B. therefore they lose Jorge and replace him with the equivalent of the catching version of ransom but get back arod and they are worse of then they were!!!!!!
will melky’s production lessen? Sure but Texiera is hitting 195, he is a top 15 player in the game………….
newsflash Jorge hits very well for a catcher but he is not arod… molina must hit 9th……
again the doom and gloom is comical…..
Betsy – Francessa wasn’t happy with those comments by Hughes today either. Said he shouldn’t “whine”.
“I have no idea what to write. I feel good”…ha ha ha-just a joke Yankee fans.
Seriously, I am fine with what A-Rod said to reporters today. Anything can happen between now and Friday. If A-Rod goes on the record claiming he is returning Friday and for whatever reason does NOT, he will be blamed or his desire questioned. 1 day at a time is the best way to go about this return.
Rays 6-3 winners over the O’s.
Stuart,
They are last in the league in pitching right now. Names are great. Production is better.
If they produce, great. But, as we have seen often, guys need time to adjust to NY and their performances vary because of that.
Look at the guys on the DL. How do they not tread water?
The starters have been shaky. The bullpen is a mess and now no Posada and Arod is coming off major surgery.
It ain’t pretty so yes, treading water for the next couple of months, stay close and see how it shakes out after that is not a bad way to go.
If they do better? Terrific.
Realistically, I think everybody with the Yankees would sign up tomorrow for that goal and be very happy if that’s where they stood on July 4, given all the issues currently surrounding the team. Especially if everybody is healthy, and stays that way, from the 4th of July through the end of the season.
Why isin’t John Rodriquez here?
And none of those teams mentioned above has a 37 year old catcher coming off a major injury. When you have that, You pay attention to who the backup catcher is.
“Boston went to game 7 of the ALCS last year with Varitek hitting .220
It can be done… if the other guys step up.”
Agreed. But I have to say, as much as I hate Varitek, he is one hell of a catcher – from a field general point of view. He doesn’t have the big arm, or block every pitch, but he seems to have such a good idea of what is going on at every moment. The way he calls pitches without putting fingers down, the way he glances up to the batter when he does put down fingers. Posada will have had the better career when all is said and done, but in a parallel universe, having Varitek as the catcher wouldn’t have been so bad.
First of all, Posada is not the most important player on the team. Secondly, Mr No Smiles was hardly tearing it up and whines and complains when he is taken out or doesn’t play.
I would think the team would play a little looser without this dude up in people’s faces.
The biggest problem with this organization is they dont have the guts to tell some of the fan favorties to take a hike on the downside of their careers. It has cost them with Posada, its looking like Mo is starting to come down, and when Jetes hits free angency I hope they dont sign him to some stupid deal for a long time.
The Sox are cold blooded when it comes to that and it has helped them get rid of Damon, Manny, and the rest of the idiots just in time.
sal fasano anyone?
yeah Dave it was luck for the pen last year. it is lucky that melancon has been unhittable in the minors and coke and robertson had sick #’s last year in the minors..afterall minor league #’s never translate to the majors that is why no one cares about the statistics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is all luck……..You are really a clown so just stop the monday morning bullsh-t…
they had the 5th best pen ERA last year with many power(strikeout) arms everyone knew they would have the worst pen this year it was obvious…………………
trisha,
We have certainly had our differences of opinion over some things, but I do agree with you wholeheartedly that people who impersonate such regulars as SJ, Fran, or anyone else that has an established handle should be banned from the blog.
Once the game starts, I won’t be on the game threads.
If someone posts as me, it ain’t me.
Enjoy the evening folks and let’s hope for a win.
Much of the next several weeks will be absorbed in discussions around trading for a catcher.
So here’s one way of looking at what they should give up in a trade.
Right now Posada was off to a fantastic start. Very similar to what he was doing in 2007 (which is part of why the argument that his contract was a waste is misguided – his rates of production are fantastic…).
At his current pace Posada would be worth around 6 additional wins compared to playing Jose Molina the entire season (this assumes Molina is a replacement level catching bat – which he basically is – though he could actually be worse than replacement)
6 wins. That’s enormous.
Now in the time he’s played he’s generated around 1 additional marginal win already.
So if in theory he played the whole season he would create by himself 5 additional wins at this current pace.
Now it’s unlkely he’d keep playing at this level. His projection for the season before it started was probably closer to a total 4-5 win player for the season depending on how many at bats he got.
So let’s assume Posada was going to have a very good season and be a 5 win player – kind of what he was like in 2006.
If he’s out 2 months the yankees will lose 1.6 wins. Let’s even say that Posada would be a 6 win player that he’d have an outstanding season. Then they’d lose 2 wins. So let’s call his loss over a 2 month period 1.5-2 wins compared to molina.
Andy catcher you are going to trade for now may have at most the ability to be .5-1 win better than Molina. And even that I doubt. It might be closer to .25-.5.
So upgrading from Molina to a catcher you trade for could in theory make up no more than one additional win and leave you net -1 win compared to posada.
These are all top of my head kind of estimates so I could be off but I don’t think it’ll be that far off given it’s a two month stretch.
So the question is how much are you willing to trade for 0.5 to 1 win?
That’s the question. In a tight division 0.5-1 win is substanstial. But on the whole it’s tough to know how to value that because like last year when they got Pudge the catcher you trade for could easily be awful.
Clint, it does sound like whining – and I’m very surprised. It just doesn’t sound like Phil….
i don’t think today was a negative day at all on the blog. i think there’s just a realization that something is wrong with this team.
posada being out for an extended time combined with another loss to the red sox is the obvious trigger.
there was similar sentiment last week before hughes pitched his excellent game against detroit.
if joba shuts down the red sox, people will relax and feel better, but should they?
the underlying problems are still there. the question is how does this yankee team ever get running on all it’s cylinders.
as pete says, almost 40 % of yankee core players are out. the yankees have to figure out a way to not lose so many players. a case can be made that arod, wang, and posada ’s injuries could have been handled in a way that they would not have missed so much time.
no matter what happens with the won/loss record i hope this realization sticks in people’s minds that the yankees have to do a better job with injuries. just being like any other team in injury prevention isn’t enough.
I haven’t checked in with the “comments section” in a couple weeks. Is it just the Red Sox series, or has the quality of comments completely deteriorated? It’s amazing that some people can make something as important as free speech look like a bad idea.
Stuart what is comical is your argument that with the type of pen the yanks had last season, the pen should be good right now and completely disregarding the little fact that IT IS NOT. I dont even understand how that is an argument. You are just proving me right using all the lame excuses people used in january to tell me why the yanks dont need bullpen help when everyone who is paying attention realizes that that is exactly what they need right now. That and a decent backup catcher – both of which could have been looked for in january. Both of which I was calling cash to look for in january. So how is that being whiny. I was correct. wE did need those two things because we need that now
New here, enjoy reading the posts.
A few points:
1. Every calm down, if I were to tell you at the beginning of the year the Yankees, would be 1 game over .500, with out A-Rod, Wang 0-3 with an era over 33 (combined pitching staff ERA over 6.00) and Tex batting .182, No Nady, and Mo looking human, you would take it.
2. Boston is what 16-10 with an 11 game winning streak so far this season. Lowell wont last the season, Ortiz looks old, Nick Green is not going to bat .300 all year, Drew will go down as usual. And if their bullpen is so great why was their closer brought in for a 5 out save.
3. They have Tek we have Molina, who would you rather have behind the plate?
4. Stop the Jobe to the pen talk, I want a chance to win every 5 days, not to be used 1 a week in a pivotal 8th inning. Coke can do it. Than if another starter gets hurt we are down to hoping to win 3 out of 5. Anybody remember last year. You can never have have too many starters.
Thanks
Betsy, hold. In fairness to Phil, that was just a cut. I would have to believe the question was posed to him and he didn’t just come out and talk about it. Also, he did go on to take responsibility and say he didn’t have his best stuff. I just selected that part of it because I’m still annoyed about it. But he definitely wasn’t blaming his entire outing on bad calls.
“I haven’t checked in with the “comments section” in a couple weeks. Is it just the Red Sox series, or has the quality of comments completely deteriorated? ”
You just need to know who’s posts to read.
Trisha, thanks for that. I may be frustrated with the team sometimes, but I have not given up!
It sounds like from Girardi’s comments that the return date for Arod is not Friday. Not that it matters, if he needs the 2 or 3 extra days then let him take it. It sounds like they want him to field a couple of more balls.
Remember, Hughes and Joba are going to go through growing pains and we’re going to have to live with that. They’ll have 7 IP, 1 ER games and 4 IP, 6 ER games. They’ll probably go 5-6 innings every time too.
Pettitte at this stage of his career is a #5 starter.
Burnett has a 3.81 career ERA and been mediocrity in his career and injury prone.
CC is good, but he may be one of those guys who needs a year to adjust to NY and may not pitch as well as track record suggests.
Those simply saying the rotation is a lock to get better need to look at it more carefully. As SJ has said… this rotation has POTENTIAL. Can’t count the new guys as sure things, their first year in NY.
CB,
Its not even about Molina per se. When people talk about the backup catcher on other teams, they aren’t taking into effect what happens if the backup AND the third string catcher, have to catch for 2 months?
That KILLS a team. When you add what Posada brings to the table, its even worse for the Yankees.
Unless of course people forget what happened to the team last year when he went down.
Its the worst possible injury they could have and they will have to go get a catcher. If not, they better pray he’s a fast healer because its highly doubtful, especially given the other problems/injuries on the team, they can survive 2 months with Molina and Cervelli behind the plate.
really SJ.. joba, cc, Aj and the rest of there power arms need time to adjust!!!!!!!!!
Cool then give the Yanks some money back during your adjustment period..
I am not looking for Koufax numbers but how about CC and AJ having a 3.50 era???
Arod is back in 3 days not 3 months, nady… Swisher has been a godsend….Bruney(that hurts) but he should be back soon and Melancon can get the job done.. he has the makeup and the stuff from what I have been reading and he did not just do well in the minors he toyed with them like they were little kids…
i am not giving the pitchers the usual adjustment BS pass, CC, AJ, hughes(he can do it), Joba, etc need to pick it up.
Wang if what I read is true and he had a physical issues he should be fixed soon and then he should contribute.. the guy won 19 games twice and is 28 years old..
this team has the talent to win it all….they are not old as peoiple say, etc…pena will be a effective utility guy for this year. he is fast and a great fielder…they have not had a good utility guy in 5 yrs. if nady comes back then they have an extra OF, that is a good problem. then they can use gardner as a pinch runner if he does not produce at the plate.. this team is talented injuries or not…………..
so, let’s see. the yankees 37-year-old catcher is hurt.
the big money free agents haven’t yet delivered much of anything (with the exception of burnett’s first two outings).
the bullpen is a disaster, and that’s being generous.
the team consistently looks old, slow, and, if we’re being honest, scared.
the only surprising thing? the fact that people are surprised by any of this.
maybe they’ll tread water and make a run after july 4. or maybe next year will be better. whatever. at some point, they’ll win it all again. but probably not this year.
enjoy the games!
A thought.
People talk about the bullpen “learning their roles.” And Phil Coke talked about it in this weekend’s newspapers.
How about this: The role of a relief pitcher is to come into the game at whatever point he is called upon and stop the other team dead in their tracks. His role is to throw strikes, to not let runners on base gratuitously and to not allow inherited runners to score.
That is their role.
It does not matter, or it should not matter, at what precise point in the ballgame a reliever is called upon.
Only exception: There may be pitchers who are better suited to dealing with situations where there are runners on base, and pitchers who should only come in when there is no one on base. (Although I would argue that all of them need to learn how to come into a game with runners on base.)
Am I wrong?
I hope Joba pitches like he did in Detroit last week. From about the 3rd inning on he was a different pitcher, working quickly and attacking the hitters. Hopefully he carries that into this game.
Here is an idea for the bullpen. The following line is the AA/AAA stats for a guy that was on the Yankees 40 man roster last year, ended the year in the big leagues with the Padres, and is in AAA this year. Ladies and gentleman, Scott Patterson.
2.14 ERA 163 IP 118 H 36 BB 190 K
Included in these numbers is a stretch where he was spitching with Pnemonia, which ultimately put him in a hospital bed for a couple weeks. I watched him throw, he could help them right now, they are familiar with him, and he wouldn’t cost much to get him back from the Padres.
Apparently per Kim, Cervelli is going to catch a lot. I just hope Molina catches for most of the next week – so that Cervelli can at least get to know these guys in warmups. It’s terrible situation to be in -Cervelli learning these guys on the fly
You could have seen Veras, Edwar, Marte implosions coming from a mile away
All of us this spring were worried about them. Most here didn’t even want Veras or Edwar to make the team and wanted to trade them.
Yet those 3, along with Bruney, were supposed to be the keys to our pen. Veras and Edwar had 2 good months really and Cashman put too much faith in them
“Who, if not Posada, was going to DH last night?”
joe -
he shouldn’t have played.
hamstrings are serious injuries. posada will likely have scar tissue that he’ll have to pay attention to the rest of his career. hamstrings get chronic in a heartbeat.
the yankees just plain suck in injury minimization. you could give cashman an all star team and he’d have a third of it disabled within three months.
Stuart again your argument doesnt make ANY SENSE at all. You are telling me I wasnt right in january to think they needed more help but here it is may, and they desperately need more help in the pen. I said it 100s of times in january. This is not some sort of hindsight of monday morning quarterbacking or whatever you call it. This is how i felt all along. That we needed a little more experience. Almost every one was pitching their first major league season out of the pen minus a a few guys. And bullpen arms are the most volatile aspect of the game. The dominant arms change almost every year outside of the closers for the most part. Very few relievers are consistent year in and year out. And you thought we had all of them coming up from the farm system. I agree that melancon will be great – his numbers were not lucky. He has a world of talent. But guys like veras, edwar, albadejo, robertson, coke, etc. all succeeding last year was not just because they are all talented. It was because girardi used them very well and we were lucky that there was always a few of them to rely upon at any given time throughout last season. They arent all going on to become eighth inning guys.
Bruney is obviously a beast and melancon will be amazing but outside of that, who knows what we have with anyone? I think marte may be able to do decently here but then, again he may not. And i think veras and edwar should both be in scranton right now as should albadejo. All three of them are doing worse than awful. Coke and aceves may be able to get us through with melancon until bruney and hopefully a decent marte come back but i really think adding another solid arm would have helped us tremendously. Continue to make your nonsensical argument back i guess.
“they aren’t taking into effect what happens if the backup AND the third string catcher, have to catch for 2 months?”
SJ,
The issue there is that Molina is such a horrific offensive player that it would actually be difficult for the backup catcher to be that much worse than Molina’s bat.
At the most the difference between the in house third string catcher and molina will be .25.
So not making a trade could cost them 1-1.25 wins.
Believe me – in this division that is substantial.
I’m just trying to make explicit the trade offs they face in acquiring another catcher.
The fundamental problem with making a trade is that while the new player they acquire might be better than Molina at bat he will still be an awful offensive player.
That’s the fundamental issue. They are not going to get a good catcher in season.
Yeah… because there has never been a reliever who dominated the minors and was less than impressive in the majors
Oh wait…
Melancon is not the 2nd coming folks. He has a lot of potential, that’s it. He is not the savior.
Doreen, I posted a link to that article a day or so ago. Coke’s comments infuriated me…..nice death watch the pen has going on waiting for the phone to ring.
Glad to see Alex handling questions as he has – the media should get nothing from him.
Also glad to see Sanchez re-signed……..we need all the arms we can get
Again, overreaction to the Posada injury. Huge loss, not end of the season though. Remember that 25% of the games last year were started by Rasner, Ponson and Geise. Throw in Hughes and Kennedy being awful. 2009 does not equal 2008.
Fran, I didn’t think it sounded at all like you but I didn’t want to say anything in case you were just blowing off steam! I also should have realized due the hour that you probably weren’t going to be absent from the whole game and then show up when it was over!
TeixeraMVP – True, ARod is better, but we can’t expect to start great right out of the gate. By the time ARod starts getting his stride back, Jorge will return. That is a good 2-3 weeks of scary times.
Bottom line.. a $200 million dollar team should not put the bullpen in the hands of Veras, Edwar, Robertson, Albaladejo, Melancon, Coke etc.
He could have had Saito, Juan Cruz, or traded for someone. He put way too much faith in guys with spotty track records like Veras.
bmass
time to go – see YA!
Even Flarity thinks Melancon should be pitching more.
Sal Fasano, where are you & that ’stache?
*Buckles seat belt*
By calling up Aceves to be the long reliever for Hughes if needed, I wonder if the Yankees are considering it as a possible strategy when Wang returns.
Using Aceves in Hughes starts would save the bullpen.
Do we really lost all that much by starting Hughes-Aceves with Joba dominating in the bullpen vs. using Joba as a starter alone and suffering with a terrible bullpen?
I don’t think I can stomach watching Veras, Edwar and Albaladejo all year long.
I’d rather have Hughes + a bullpen than Joba and no pen at all.
What happens when they go get another catcher? The bench will still be lacking versatility.
When Posada comes back, you’ll have two back-up catchers, Matsui (who can’t play the field) and who? Berroa? Ransom?
This team really needs an actual utility guy. Maybe Pena could fill that role . . . at least with the glove.
Man would they kill for a guy like DeRosa.
Trisha, thanks again. The number of imposters on here is frustrating. I am going to watch the game at my neighbor’s apartment, so any posts with my name are not me!
Betsy-
I did read that link. I always try to give the benefit of the doubt and while it didn’t sound very good, it also sounded like he was at least saying they had to change their attitude.
For what it’s worth, right?
Maybe I’m wrong, but I think once a fan is in the park, they should have enough common sense not to leave unless you hear an announcement. Trusting the word of some minimum-wage kid is not the best idea.
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You would think that would be the case, but sadly it’s not. Hopefully the yankees and their fans don’t run into another situation like last night again. Also, there really does need to be one voice coming from the Yankees providing frequent updates for the fans. More announcements and posting more scoreboard updates during delays is a good way to go.
Wow I think I just wished that Troll to the cornfield.
or Pete banned him I like cornfieled better and not the nice “field of dreams” cornfield – I’m talking “children of the corn” cornfield
Melancon IS the savior.
I know people want to temper the expectations, but Melancon is so good.
He isin’t a blow you away pitcher, he gets you to hit groundballs and works quick. Good control.
He is a stud and will dominate once he gets regular work in. He doesn’t need to be “brought along”, he just needs to pitch.
let’s play some ball already!
c’mon Joba-be aggressive, throw hard and keep the hitters off-balance.
throw inside as often as you think you need to.
And stuart if you dont think I was right when i thought that cash should get a more established relief pitcher in the pen, why dont you take a look at the numbers of all our power arms and most of the guys that formed one of the best pens in baseball last year.
You have albadejo with an era over 7 and veras with an era over 8 and 9 walks in 12 innings. Good stuff i KNOWWW. And then there is that dominant edwar with a fantastic 11 walks in 10 innings. Wow these guys are really good you were right all along stuart. My favorite is demaso your best friend – he is going to be here for a whole year marte with a whopping era over 15.
Do we even want him for the year at this point? Maybe the pirates have a refund policy. Coke is basically the only arm out of the pen that is currently healthy, has been in the pen for most of the season and has not gotten crushed yet. Melancon and aceves have done well so far but in less than 5 innings each only. Robertson also did pretty bad in his brief stint. So why do i say maybe they were lucky? Look at these atrocious stats so far. Edwar and veras dont even look like they belong in AAA right now nevermind the majors. So that is that.
Talk to you later Fran!
CB, Your numbers don’t portray a team that’s in real trouble….Betsy, I think there was much more to the Hughes dialog that led to that comment…Maybe a leading question about what everybody saw last night, he was not getting the close call on sone critaical ab’s…..I just see the things not as bad as some….It’s gradually coming around…Hell they’ve won 4 of 6..Tonight is key though on several fronts…
Just what the doctor ordered on a cold, damp, dreary night. Banishment to NESN. Oh boy it’s been quite a day!
Peter, you’re kidding about the injury stemming from an AJ pitch right?
“What happens when they go get another catcher? The bench will still be lacking versatility. ”
Not necessarily… if the acquired catcher is legimitely useful, then maybe they go with 3 catchers for awhile. That would give Girardi the option to DH Posada and have Matsui off the bench, and vice versa. It would help keep guys fresh. Of course that only works if there are 12 pitchers.
Hughes looked fine last night. He WAS getting squeezed. But he needs to throw more obvious strikes instead of trying to nibble. He’s still too soft.
“Your numbers don’t portray a team that’s in real trouble…”
Losing Posada for 2 months is terrible – but it’s nothing compared to losing him for the entire season as they did last year.
Losing 1 win by replacing Posada with Molina will hurt. That’s a significant loss but it’s not catastrophic. That’s all amplified in the AL East, however.
It’s a tough challenge. They could easily miss the playoffs by one win.
I can’t believe that Ramirez and Veras are still on this team. Ramirez walked 2 batters yesterday and the only out he got was captain finished. I believe a pitcher from single A could of done that performance. Too bad there is no one in AAA to replace 1 of them with.
alex
yea, i agree. Now, the only problem is that we need to win with melancon and Mo as our only real bullpen options and i guess coke. Thas slim pickings. I hope joba goes at least seven tonight or the pen is going to blow it for him most likely.
qoute of the day:
“Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It’s perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we’ve learned something from yesterday.”
I hope all the Jose Molina apologists are happy with him being the starter for the next 3 weeks.
First pitch and there’s already two ass hats on their phones behind home plate.
Joba needs to own the inside of the plate.. get them moving their feet..
Here we go slap crap on base. Do the Yankee pitcher ever have a 1,2,3 inning??
great start.
the empty stands are an embarrassment.
that would never happen in fenway for a yankee red sox game.
single, stolen base and error by the Captain. Gonna be one of those days.
What in the world is going on already?…and jete looked horrible on that play.
Umm…Not going to say anything about range…
Another day, another loss upcoming. Good grief
Joba looking very hittable. Gameday has his fastball sitting 89-90 and his slider 83. He’s great when the FB is 95-96 and the slider is 87-89.
not the best start
CB, They improved dramatically over the winter….Not really manifesting itself right now but it will…They’ll be fine…
Oh, for eff’s sake, are you serious? Looks like I’m going to be playing a lot of Xbox tonight.
when is the last time Jeter got dirty on a groundball?
he needs to lay out once in a while.
looking good at the on-set. We are in the red right?
Joba, can you do me a favor and CHALLENGE HITTERS!??
can jeter be switched to the outfield yet?
is posada out two weeks or two months?? Two weeks, we can deal but two months and cash needs to get on that phone and make up for his stupidity of not finding another decent catcher in the off season. Man, how many times can cash make the same mistake before he learns his lesson? Maybe by the time posadas contract is up in three seasons, cash will have it all figured out. 37 year old start catcher, major injury = need good hitting backup. That is why we need a catcher more than all the other teams because it is far more likely posada gets injured throughout the season than most other catchers because he is just getting older and more fragile as the years go by.
awesome, game over already this team is terrible
Just what we need…Big Papi to start hitting
Joba looks like he has nothing today…With Hughes and Joba in the rotation they need 2 long relievers…
This is what happens when you get behind on every hitter. The Yankees must seriously be the worst team in the league in first pitch strikes.
Wow, it’s like deja vu all over again.
We never get a first pitch strike.
Of course… more of the same.. pathetic..
I’d rather have Hughes starting and Joba in the pen than Joba starting and a terrible pen.
3 batters in and people jumping off the ledge already
Jason Bay – the new Yankee killer.
Screw this. I am going to do something productive with the rest of my night
Long night coming for us?
“Joba looks like he has nothing today”
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I’m as optimistic as they come but he definitely doesn’t look very good over the first 3 batters.
Are you serious?
glad we got a long man. oh, i forgot. he pitched 4 innings last night. so, no. we still have no long man.
ok go ahead and jump now
what a joke, joba is pathetic
I saw that coming a mile away.
wow
Maybe we can volunteer to start every at bat with a 2-0 count, since every one of our pitches seems to start every at bat that way anyway.
get aceves up again hahahahahaha
Joba looks horrible
told ya
THIS is by far the worst thing I have ever seen. WOW
You’ve got to be joking. Friggin pathetic.
can joba throw a damn strike and get ahead of a hitter for god’s sake!!!!!!
Let me guess another 90 mph fastball from Joba? Meatball coming up right down broadway…
I could’ve hit that pitch
Joba has horrible control. What the heck is wrong
This whole team is bullcrap
This is pitiful…and there’s no outs.
This team plain stinks
WOW JASON BAY OWNS US
if joba chamberlain can’t throw higher than 91mph he’s my guess for the next yankee on the disabled list.
Is Molina calling the game Jorge-style in tribute?
We have to take it out on Beckett!
*MUST* beat up on Beckett!
91mph straight fastball right in the wheelhouse
I’m not going to say I told you so, but really…
Joba needs to be in the pen. Plain and simple.
very wang-like start for joba.
Ugh
Honestly, who didn’t see that coming?
I swear to God, why do they keep pitching to Bay? Someone, anyone, for the love of Christ, tell me that.
for all you chill bloggers, how many losses do we need against boston before we shouldnt just chill out anymore? oh it’s just 4-0 with no outs in the 1st. no big deal. shut up!
Is it misguided to put any of this on Dave Eiland?
Say what you will, they know they own us.
Um
can we get an out
Hank needs to start mixing things up. Injuries or not this team has to be put on notice.
What are the chances that Beckett has another awful start against the Yankees tonight? Unfortunatly, I’m thinking not very likely.
What’s up with his velo? No command either. Not a good combo.
unbelievable – can you at least record an out before putting this game out of reach?
and can someone please do something about Bay – he is killing us
Soon the “Joba talk” will be of him going to Tampa as oppose to going to the bullpen. This is not panning well.
Game over. Chamberlain can’t get anyone out throwing 84-89 mph.
The nightmarish season continues. Putting Joba in the pen isn’t going to suddenly make him throw 100 mph again.
Boston gets Jason Bay. Yankees get Xaiver Nady. Look how that deal worked out. Theo owns Cashman. Bottom line. Yankees look overmatched EVERY time they played Boston. Even when they win.
I have nothing to say…
OUCH
No movement, no velocity.
What?????????????
What?
I just tuned in. Oh my God.
joba wont even make it out of the first inning, call up ian kennedy
Well the upside to this is that not having Posada isn’t going to mean much tonight.
Beckett will have 15K’s tonight. We are getting bullied right in our own building. The wheels are falling off at an unprecented rate. OMG
20 pitches to record zero outs
Just curious, does anybody know if Cashman had the opportunity to choose between Bay or Nady last summer?
Ummm. To all the folks who disagreed with my Manny/Bay comparison last night.
Enough said.
I didn’t think Yankee fans knew how to cheer..
i called that bomb on another forum im on
Come on. 5 straight hits, no freakin out and 4-0.. I feel bad for the people who pay lots of cash to see this pathetic azz team.. i’m gonna puke!
Joba is no starter… this team is not going to even smell the playoffs.. and what’s worse, there’s no more Boss to be so embarrased by this that he’d blow his lid and shake things up… pathetic..
Someone tell me when Batting Practice is over and the game starts…
“Putting Joba in the pen isn’t going to suddenly make him throw 100 mph again.”
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exactly.
if his velocity is really down this much, there has to be something wrong (mentally or physically)
they need to fix that first. moving him to the pen doesn’t fix anything.
Just how safe is Eiland’s job? Someone’s head may need to roll if this keeps up much longer.
Can’t expect Beckett to give up 8 again. Put this game in the books. It’s over.
I can’t believe his velocity is down so much. There’s only so many setbacks this team can handle.
Typical Joba — can’t get ahead of the hitters and now appears to be lacking stuff
this team is going to go down 1-2-3
book it.
Well, this one is done.
A team that needs to readjust it’s goals.
If they can finish .500, that may be an accomplishment.
We do know one thing. They can’t beat the Red Sox.
Find some pitchers a catcher and probably a CF and they can make a run at the WC.
i dont understand..does joba not trust his stuff or something?…we all saw how great he looked after getting that lead in detroit…
If the Red Sox resign Bay, I hope the Yankees drive the price up as high as they can.
needs:
SS w/range
CF
C
Middle Relief
Jeter has to be taken off SS. It won’t happen until the end of his contract, of course.
Why cant Joba be honest like Papelbon and tell his manager that he wants to be in the pen.
The sox tried to convert papelbon into a starter at one point and papelbon just didnt like it so he demanded that he be put back into the pen.
“i called that bomb on another forum im on
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wow, why dont you go back there then?
turd
Does he think he can be a starter sitting at 91-92? It’s not gonna happen.
“THIS is by far the worst thing I have ever seen. WOW”
Guess you haven’t been watching much Yankees baseball this season!!!
can someone tell me why joba is throwing 92 MPH fastballs and 83 MPH sliders??
Zman, hit the nail on the head right there. The Red Sox own the Yankees. They know it, the Yankees know it. Just like everyone knew the opposite for the period of 1996-2003.
I hate…I repeat.. I hate Jason Bay. And people were killing me for calling him a yankee killer.
this team is going to go down 1-2-3
book it
and at least 2 Ks?
Come back off the Ledge!!
LOL! The Yankees are not done. They have incredible potential. With some of the walking wounded needing some days off (Damon, Tex, Matsui, Swisher) it amplifies the problem of having 13 pitchers on a 25 man roster. The Yankees needed 3 catchers from the start, but decided to gamble and only go with 2. They needed a long man in the BP but they gambled that even though it was Spring and most pitchers don’t go deep in April, that they didn’t need one. Posada was gimpy with issues, and again they gambled and played him because they didn’t have a bat that could go. (Resting Matsui was the right thing to do, but I guess Berroa could have DH’d.)
To me it seems like the team structure is askew. I would have had Aceves or Tomko as a long man from the start. Also would have had 3 Catchers. Against all odds, I would have carried only 11 pitchers and would have added a bat (S Duncan like player). A couple of pitchers could go between ML & AAA if necessary to help out even though there is a waiting period for returns to ML. Girardi is in a bit over his head. Hopefully, someone will help him and he will listen. I’m sure there are lots of suggestions, but discernment is hard for a control freak personality.
i kind of expected this. the news about joba’s mother being arrested for selling drugs had to affect him. i know he and his mom supposedly aren’t close but it’s still his mom. he’s only human. he’s had to face questions about it. kind of hard to concentrate i’m sure.
I highly doubt the Yankees had a pick between Bay or Nady.
“The sox tried to convert papelbon into a starter at one point and papelbon just didnt like it so he demanded that he be put back into the pen.”
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who are you? selena roberts?
do some research before printing that garbage.
Joba to the pen.
By September those plush seats will be going for $25 bucks if this continues.
I guess we will see just how much fight “these” Yankees have in them tonight.
It’s gonna be a long one.
double-play. way to get out of the inning Joba.
listen: if he can not throw harder than 91 on a consistent basis, then he is better off in the pen.
last night did anybody watch the ESPN telecast? orel made a point that Joba seems to be “saving himself” by not throwing hard early in the game. orel said that is the wrong approach. look what happened today: he throw 89 or 91 and i might not be that smart, but that is NOT A POWER PITCHER!!!
tishbi,
are you serious? LOL joba is the one that asked to be a starter.
THANKS for the comments guys. Now, i dont even have to turn on the game anymore and waste any time. Have fun watching this team SUCK. What the hell is wrong with them seriously?
tishbi
May 5th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Why cant Joba be honest like Papelbon and tell his manager that he wants to be in the pen.
The sox tried to convert papelbon into a starter at one point and papelbon just didnt like it so he demanded that he be put back into the pen.
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I thought he demanded to be a starter, but his shoulder couldn’t handle the workload
So that was bad.
“What?????????????
What?
I just tuned in. Oh my God.”
Trisha, when it rains… it pours. You’re having some day, huh?
Same thing in Detroit was throw low nineties FB up there. Until Eiland got on him.
We will be fine, Beckett will be outta the game before Joba
Joba was throwing 94-96 consistently against Detroit. People make big deals about everything these days.
Randy I, After he took the mound with a lead last week in Detroit, it was as if he was a different pitcher….He was humming at 97, aggresive, great slider…..He looks different when starting, more conservative with his energy it seems
beckett is going to look like cy young tonight
23 pitches for the Jobber that inning
If I was Giradi, I’d find a way to get thrown out of tonight’s game too. This one has the makings of a drubbing.
Happy bday beckett! your team just gave you a four run lead
When was the last time anyone had confidence in the Yankees? Over the last 3-4 years I almost expect them to lose.
im starting to think this joba lack of velocity thing is mental…i saw him throw 95-96 in detroit, i saw him dominate…why is that lacking…
the yankees need to do strength tests on chamberlain to see if something is wrong somewhere.
his velocity has been a concern and last start he cracked it up and was fine.
now it’s gone again.
a lack of velocity was the tell with wang.
what does it take for the yankees to pay the money that the red sox pay to have strength tests done ?
something is likely physically wrong with chamberlain.
Un-freakin-believable..No wonder Jobas mother was on meth, she didn’t want to see this pathetic pitching performance.
SJ44 – you’re a cliff jumper now, too?
I thought you’d be one of the rational ones here.
Joba will be fine and so will the Yankees. We will win this game.
is joba Hurt? cause that is the only reason he will be only throwing 90mph
time to fire girardi, steinbrenner needs to speak out against this garbage the yankees call playing baseball. it is embarassing to all of us fans
this has nothing to do with velocity.. He was hitting 95-96 through 7 innings against the Tigers last week..I watched that game on ESPN.. this is all mental. Maybe mommie on his mind. Nibbling and afraid to just throw the damn ball.. He frustrates the heck out of me.
PJH, he is hitting 90-91 tonight. meatballs.
The scouting reports are horrible. I don’t understand why we throw lowell so many fastballs. He is a fastball hitter! Ortiz just sits inside. IF you are gonna go inside, then go with a good fastball inside. That’s all we throw to him. Bay, Youkilis, and Pedroia all wait for a fastball on the outside corner. I don’t understand why we don’t mix up our pitchers more.
Compared to this, Hughesie was pitching a gem yesterday.
I know its early for Joba…But I honestly do not think his arm has 100 pitches in it every 5th day. His fastball sits around 92 mph. Obviously I can be wrong but I see an injury waiting to happen. His stuff is just not always there as a starter. I see him as a 50 pitches at the most pitcher.
He CAN consistently throw harder then 91. He probably thinks “pacing” himself means come out throwing junk and then ramp it up in the 5th inning.
our coaching staff is beyond terrible, eiland is a joke and same with kevin long
do we really need to bring the mother into this? grow up
Blame our coaching staff because Joba is afraid to turn it up.
why is this jeter leadoff experiment still going on? damon is a much better leadoff hitter
ok, Tex…do something here
start warming up Swisher…
from back to back gems to back to back bombs… not good.
Our strength and conditioning team is HORRID as well
I don’t see a middle ground tonight. Either the Yanks put up a fight and make it close or they get the living daylights kicked out of them. This one won’t end 6 – 4.
randy something physically wrong that alternates between starts? I dont think so. It cant be physical if his velocity is good in detroit and bad today unless something happened between then and now.
Joba is Jaret Wright as a starter, John Smoltz as a reliever.
Any questions?
his mother is in issue. if espn can report it, it’s news and it’s an issue. just trying to say give the dude a break. baseball isn’t the world for these guys. it’s their job. they have lives too.
“Joba just had an awful inning and the rotation has been pretty bad, therefore Joba must rescue the bullpen with his awesomeness!”
What?
So I miss 15 minutes and we are down 4-0. I think I’m done with this team for awhile.
Yanks should move jeter to the outfield and have some actualy defense at SS with Pena…they should work on this immediately.. Jeter just cant hack at that position anymore… every game its the same stuff with him
rain! rain! rain! we need it now!
Jeter has been hurting us the pass 2 weeks both defense and offensively. He hasnt been hitting much and his defense is really sucking
Evolution,
how long before your posts ‘evolve’ into something intelligible?
Did we expect anything less from Tex? really?
great job teix, quality at bat
:rolleyes:
What a bunch of fairweather fans here
Tex, CC, AJ, A-Rod…any player with a nickname doesn’t bode well
http://i42.tinypic.com/2hmoklc.png
We need A-Rod.
Yes his mother is a story, yes maybe it affects him, and yes lets just leave it alone, and talk baseball
good move sticking with the kids for this series. that’s paying huge dividends.
i mean, it’s not like they might benefit from an extra day or two. you don’t want cc, burnett or andy pitching this series. it’s just the red sox, right?
this team would be hilarious if they weren’t so putrid.
Nice to see that Tex has so much respect for the Mendoza line
pat m
just like wang, something is likely physically wrong somewhere in the chain.
there doesn’t have to be pain for there to be something wrong.
lack of velocity is a tell.
it’s a very big deal.
if he doesn’t get up to 94-95mph , the yankee need to put him through a battery of strength tests to find out if there’s a problem.
i’d be surprised if they don’t find that there is.
when did Tex turn into Dave Kingman???? God he’s horrible
Dazed & confused
May 5th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Un-freakin-believable..No wonder Jobas mother was on meth, she didn’t want to see this pathetic pitching performance.
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I was referring to this
dont worry its just (insert game number).
can we get a clutch hit? who knows..
Also, bad decision by the Yankees to start Joba and Phil back to back against the Red Sox. You have the chance to put AJ Burnett in tonight’s game and break up the two rookies who can’t go past 5 innings. I don’t know when the Yankees next have a day off, but they’re going to need to find a way to break up the two young pitchers unless they don’t mind Aceves’ arm falling off.
At least matsui is hitting.
Drew, actually the weather isn’t fair.. it’s drizzling out!
LOL at bay owning the red sox… Joba threw a batting practice fastball absolutely right down the pipe… Bay did what any professional hitter with some power should do..
“What a bunch of fairweather fans here”
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that’s the nice way of putting it
Tex’s friend (Best 5 ever)
May 5th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
dont worry its just (insert game number).
LOL
Well played..
Two things:
SJ is not here so that is a fraud. Pete you might want to ban the imposter.
Next, please don’t kill me for suggesting this but I have to wonder if the problems with Joba’s mom aren’t distracting him. We all know he isn’t that bad a pitcher.
Okay, I will now hope for a ton of Yankee runs and Joba to try to settle in.
I repeat. We ALL know that Joba is much much better than that. It is his mom after all.
Cano hasn’t had a hit in a while, now would be a good time
We just don’t use our players correctly, look at bobby abreu, he’s TEARING it up on the basepaths, yeah bobby stole as a yankee but not nearly as much.
I hope they put up a fight against Cy Young..Otherwise it will be a long game. Also no matter what the out come Joba has to give them innings today. They can’t use the clowns in the bullpen in the 4th inning.
saw that one coming
Spark – ESPN reports on the spelling bee for 10 year olds and scrabble too
our bottom 3 is a joke no way we will score 5+ runs
GEEZ…. I couldn’t grit my teeth any harder watching this team with RISP!
ah yes the ol pop up.
whoa..no hit with RISP? thats a shocker!
Boston Dave, lol
I want us to lose this game, hopefully 0-5 against the Sux is a wake up call. Truly absurd, I’m actually glad I missed the first inning.
batting .350 and all of those with the bases empty
Idea: if you can’t get Jason Bay out, try hitting him in the face. Where is the Joba who threw at Youkilus just to get in his head. Oh yeah, the Yankees cut his balls off.
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You don’t have to steal as much when you have A-Rod, Jeter, Posada, Matsui, and Cano in your lineup.
The Angels have a garbage line up right now, they need to take some chances to scratch out some runs without Vlad. So obviously he’s going to steal more.
Watch old man Tek hit one out now…
They need better scouting reports on the RS. How is everyone in the lineup hitting 300 against the Yankees?
The Rays handle them well.
Pat, you’re probably right – Phil has never been one to make excuses. Also, his first two pitches were very good – when he didn’t get those calls, I knew it was going to be tough on him.
Something has to be wrong with Joba – maybe his tendonitis didn’t fully heal. What is it with tendonitis anyway? Marte had it…….Tex had it…….Joba had it. Marte’s recurred, Tex’s has been a recurring thing (or so it appears – that has to account for some of his terrible struggles) and Joba’s not been the same. I know tendonitis is not considered serious, but maybe Marte’s shoulder, Tex’s wrist and Joba’s shoulder were seriously weakened and need more rehab. Wows
I guess this is the only other way they haven’t beaten us — the early right hook to the jaw.
“randy something physically wrong that alternates between starts? I dont think so”
dave-
oh yeah, why not? have you ever heard of cranking it up and aggravating whatever is wrong and having a setback .
there s no explanation other than injury that joba throws 91mph. igawa touches 91mph. livan hernandez was at two mph less a week ago.
something is wrong.
what the heck happened to YES? I guess they’re saving us the embarrassment of watching the game.
The Sox make the Yankees look like a minor league team. This is going to be a very long and ugly season.
wow – that was a gift.
Randy I, I have come to question the Yanks approach to conditioning and there lack of being pro-active when it comes to the medical awareness of their players…..RS you’re an idiot…Evolution, you still belong in tee-ball…And one last time, catch the ball with your mitt, not your head….
DRill Bay in the ribs next time up hes just getting too comfortable in the box facing the yankees
Also people stop with this Bay owns the Yanks BS. When you continue to miss your spots on pitches that is what happens. Beckett’s last pitch to Cano it was supposed to be inside to tie him up..he throw his pitch right to where it was supposed to be. Look at the location on the pitches to Bay that Aceves, Mo and Joba threw. They were right down the middle…You need to hit your spots. Something the Yankee pitchers dont do enough and that is why they are struggling.
“I want us to lose this game”
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spoken like a true Yankee fan in the 2nd inning (well, the LoHud version of a Yankee fan)
anyone have a clue as to why joba’s velocity is down so much?
Up until about a week ago, Cano was hitting at least 3 balls very hard each game… since then he’s been more like the 08 Cano. Hopefully he can turn it back around, and quick.
joba is so lucky these guys arent swinging at those meatballs
with this offense.. a little too late Joba.. should have done this an inning ago!
atta boy Joba, 1 more
Wow, talk about Jekel and Hyde from first inning to this one. One more and this is a good recovery.
“DRill Bay in the ribs next time up hes just getting too comfortable in the box facing the yankees”
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either that or try to locate your pitches. He is a good hitter but even a bad hitter can hit mistake pitches over the middle of the plate (with no secondary pitches to keep him honest)
nice quick inning for Joba. The best we can hope for is to hold the Sox at 4 runs and chip our way back.
Great way to start the game. Gonna be another glorious game of catch up.
how the hell can two innings be so different?
hmm, so Jobber, here is a concept to think about, be aggressive, attack the zone, throw 1st pitch strikes and the baseball gods shall grant thee success.
Nice inning.
Nice work!!
Watching the YES broadcast, it was 6:57 and Joba was tossing in the outfield, maybe he warmed up too late and wasn’t fully warm in the first inning. It would explain flat, not so well located, 91 mph fastballs.
Joba looks like a completely different pitcher already
that 1-0 pitch to Ellsbury was nasty
I really felt this game had the possibility of a clunker when Pete filled is in on the Joba-mom arrest. It’s a tough situation and mentally, Joba does have some concentration issues. Can’t really blame him there. He’s lookin better now though.
On another thought. Note to Yankee pitchers: Don’t pitch to Jason Bay. Ever.
4-0’s not insurmountable but this team on the whole is reminding me of “Ishtar”
glad i have Hughes and Joba on my fantasy team
Joba was awful in the first inning. He should be in the bullpen!
Joba was better in the second inning. He should be in the bullpen!
We are the only team that can spend 500 mil in one off-season and actually be worse for it.
Joba at 36 pitches
Youk- the best hitter in the AL right now isn’t even playing and it’s still 4-0.. Can’t they take adavantage of this??
I’d be willing to go 0-17 against the Red Sox if it meant a championship. It’s not the team you’re losing to that matters, folks. Those guys on the field aren’t feuding with one another.
This team needs to keep us at the correct side of .500 until everyone heals. We can’t find ourselves in the same hole we put ourselves in last year.
Why am I daydreaming about a healthy George Steinbrenner right now?
“how the hell can two innings be so different?”
Was more aggressive. Got ahead of the count. Finish the hitter off. Didn’t nibble.
“Note to Yankee pitchers: Don’t pitch to Jason Bay. Ever.”
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Here is a better note:
Don’t throw meatball fastballs to Jason Bay. He struggles quite a bit with breaking balls.
The Yankees know this and you’ll notice they have started him out with breaking balls but they haven’t been getting them over.
They fall down 2-0 and are forced to throw him fastballs.
>anyone have a clue as to why joba’s velocity is down so much?
it’s…april?
i got nuttin
“Joba looks like a completely different pitcher already
that 1-0 pitch to Ellsbury was nasty”
Too bad he already blew the game. You don’t give up 4 in the first with the other teams ace on the mound and expect to win.
Joba was awful in the first inning. He should be in the bullpen!
Joba was better in the second inning. He should be in the bullpen!
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Hahaha
Joba’s velocity seems fine, he seems to be having mental problems with being aggressive and/ or trying to keep too much in the tank for later in the game. He is hitting 93 fairly consistently now and I’m sure he could hit 96 if he put a little more into it but he just looks uncomfortable. He was nibbling in the first and holding back and he got exactly what everyone here knew what he would get.
Eiland definitely told Joba to stop nibbling and attack the strike zone better. Sometimes Hughes and Joba try to be too cute with the strike zone that is when they get into trouble.
it appears as though that Pitching Coach so many of you want fired actually had an impact between innings
has Jason Bay hit a single offspeed pitch against the Yankees?
I can’t remember any.
Locate the curve or slider against Bay and he is a .250 hitter.
He won’t chase them until he’s down in the count either. Get strike 1 and get the upper hand.
“They need better scouting reports on the RS. How is everyone in the lineup hitting 300 against the Yankees?”
There has to be some sign stealing going on – I was suspecting this before Girardi vs Bogar yesterday. I don’t know how else to explain it. I’m still at work listening to the game, but in the first 4 games I’ve seen the sox hit pitcher’s pitches and mistakes. That’s pretty tough to beat.
here comes the 2 hit shutout
If any game screamed “Joba to the pen” its this one. I was there Friday and had to watch, Veras and Edwar in person. Take my word for it they are even worse in person.
It’s funny that someone mentioned John Smoltz in comparison to Joba, since Smoltz is king of crapping the bad in the first inning and dominating the rest of the game.
Al from BK….calm down, it’s Josh F’n Beckett. I can think of more than one time we’ve handed his butt to him.
“Too bad he already blew the game. You don’t give up 4 in the first with the other teams ace on the mound and expect to win.”
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while I agree that 1 good inning doesnt make up for 1 awful inning, what puzzles me even more is why you are even a fan of the Yankees.
You seem to be one of the more miserable people in here.
If you can’t take a loss, you should probably follow another sport in which even the best teams don’t lose 40% of the time.
Great at bat melkman.
Betsy, It’s when a tendon gets inflamed, gets sore, needs rest and a shot…Lot’s of ice
Al from BK: are you the harbinger of doom?
I know Arod needs time to get his swing back, but man does this team need him more than anything right now!
GGBG is thinking….”damn, I was just getting used to the roll call.”
That was a nice at bat for Melky
These boston announcers so far have repeatedly said “Joba belongs in the bullpen because he DOESN”T HAVE 3 PITCHES” and also “Nick swisher was a great sign”.
These guys are usually on point, but its not the normal Sox announcers. Send these bums home!
4-0’s not insurmountable but this team on the whole is reminding me of “Ishtar”
Bronx please explain Ishtar reference I know it a notoriously bad film but is there more to it?
another rally killing inning.. Sigh
beckett isn’t exactly lighting up the radar gun either.
well geez. berroa could have done that.
“glad i have Hughes and Joba on my fantasy team”
I have them both also.
Don’t worry, we’ll be fine with them.
In some ways this is the Knicks and Rangers fault, because if Dolan’s teams were any good, they’d be in the playoffs right now and I wouldn’t be subject to this Yankee stuff until June.
“while I agree that 1 good inning doesnt make up for 1 awful inning, what puzzles me even more is why you are even a fan of the Yankees.
You seem to be one of the more miserable people in here.
If you can’t take a loss, you should probably follow another sport in which even the best teams don’t lose 40% of the time.”
This team has given me no reason to believe. As I just typed this we GIDP how typical. I do think they have heart they just don’t have the depth and talent that a championship team needs. Unfortunately as a Yankee fan I’m thinking championship every year, and I usually believe in the team. This year there is something missing and it shows.
Don Orsillo is the normal Sox announcer! I live in NH so…
This…is …going…to…be…a…long….season.
It’s games like this that makes Joba seem more important out of the pen than as a starter. Surely he can’t be thinking about his mother at this point! (Yes I know they’re not on speaking terms.)
I wonder how well the Yankees would be faring if they never got the new stadium. It’s like it’s not as intimidating or something.
Gotta stop the bleeding right now so they can rally back.
“Bronx please explain Ishtar reference I know it a notoriously bad film but is there more to it?”
it cost a lot, stunk, and there were a lot of empty seat in the front rows.
I have a theory about why this team is so bad w/RISP. We have too many star players who go up to the plate looking to hit a homerun with men on base (especially when the team is down by 3+ runs). Of course the homer happy ballpark only enhances that approach.
Teams like the Blue Jays are full of players who are just looking to put the ball in play. Do you think Marco Scutero or Adam Lind ever approach an AB swinging for the fences? As a result they are able to string together a bunch of hits instead of hitting high popups or striking out.
If you look at the game against the Angels where we came back from 5 runs, we scored because we were able to string together singles, not hit bombs. Melky, Pena, and Gardner did a great job in that they slapped hits to the opposite field rather than try to hit a fly ball.
I won’t blame Joba for all 4 runs..You know the short stop is supposed to field.
More and more regulars are staying away from in game postings, I’m starting to understand why….The climate use to change from game to game, now it’s inning to inning..It’s crazy….Real Yankee fans wanted
Buckett is not untouchable by any means, they can battle back. Don’t give up the ship this early!
How did Joba miss that he needs to go back to the bull pen.
yea beckett is a ace so far with a over 5 ERA..
curious how many fools jump off the ledge tonight.
Thanks Randy
sadly funny
“Bronx please explain Ishtar reference I know it a notoriously bad film but is there more to it?”
Ishtar was a notorious Hollywood bomb, that cost alot of money, and had two big stars in Dustin Hoffman & Warren Beatty. They played lounge singers, that were badly out of tune.
Actually Becketts ERA is over 7.
terry -
who’s this guy?
“Ishtar” was an expensive bomb.
I hate to say it but, using that analogy, we’ve been “Ishtar”-ing it since 2004.
This team has given me no reason to believe. As I just typed this we GIDP how typical. I do think they have heart they just don’t have the depth and talent that a championship team needs. Unfortunately as a Yankee fan I’m thinking championship every year, and I usually believe in the team. This year there is something missing and it shows.
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Then go away and wait for football season.
Mindless rants on gloom and doom isn’t exactly adding anything of value to this discussion board.
If you think the game is over already, turn off the TV and watch something else.
Too much too soon?
Head too big?
Complacent?
Castrated?
Off the “program”?
Hurt?
Who knows.. but this is not the same Joba from 07…
He looks scared out there… all the time..
I vote for Joba pitching out of the pen, and starting!
“They fall down 2-0 and are forced to throw him fastballs.”
True. 3 meatballs. 3 big HR’s.
He’s at .625 against them. Might as well walk him at this point. Their current approach has killed them so far.
“yea beckett is a ace so far with a over 5 ERA..
curious how many fools jump off the ledge tonight.”
Beckett has 2 rings and pitches like a God in the post-season, I give him a lot more credit than most of our pitchers who have won nothing.
“Unfortunately as a Yankee fan I’m thinking championship every year, and I usually believe in the team. This year there is something missing and it shows.”
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I guess you’re right. They are already 9 games behind the Sox, 12 behind Toronto and have zero chance.
They’ve played about as bad as they could have possibly played. You couldn’t have dreamed a worse start. They don’t have their best player either.
Wait, I just checked and they’re not 9 games behind Boston. They are TWO AND A HALF.
have a little faith… cmon.
Great pitch to Ortiz…
stuart
May 5th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
yea beckett is a ace so far with a over 5 ERA..
curious how many fools jump off the ledge tonight.
Over/under is set at 15
Audio- Don Orsillo. He does most the NESN games with Remy. He is pretty honest and non-biased. Eck must be filling in for Remy.
More and more regulars are staying away from in game postings, I’m starting to understand why….The climate use to change from game to game, now it’s inning to inning..It’s crazy….Real Yankee fans wanted
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Agreed, Pat.
Unfortunately, the insane on this blog run the asylum when they aren’t getting instant gratification.
Wow that’s rare. A Joba change-up. He’ll be an even better pitcher once the change improves.
joba showing a much improved changeup…very very impressed actually.
Wow, one weak hit by Pedroia since the first inning and nothing since.
Joba sucks. He can’t continue to retire Red Sox and remain a starter. He needs to go back to the bull pen.
“True. 3 meatballs. 3 big HR’s.
He’s at .625 against them. Might as well walk him at this point. Their current approach has killed them so far.”
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even Boston knows Bay struggles against a good breaking ball.
The solution to the problem isn’t to walk a guy. It’s to locate your damn pitches. If you have to concede a walk to guys because you can’t throw strikes, they might as well jsut give up.
The Yankee starters need to hit their spots and things will turn around very quickly.
settling down here…. I think I may be right with his abbreviated warm-up….
“Who knows.. but this is not the same Joba from 07…
He looks scared out there… all the time..”
Everyone always talks about Joba having four pitches, but his mental makeup seems more geared to the pen.
1 more Jobber
I strike out of Bay is WAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than an HR….
That’s what you have to do with Bay. Throw him breaking/off speed pitches. He feast on FBs.
Wow. That’s the Joba we know!
If someone said something to him between innings, Kim Jones will be right on it.
Finally Bay is out.. I think I actually dislike him more than Manny.. Manny is an incredible hitter who killed us. Bay is just ordinary and has just managed to beat us in a couple games.. (well at least take a game into extra innings)
Nice for once not a meatball to Bay…He is not a good off speed hitter just incase the Yanks didnt know…
signed. sealed. delivered.
now the hitters need to get to Beckett – let’s go
Girardi’s doomsday clock is ticking
Dennis Eckersley has some street cred being both a starter and a closer and being in the hall of fame on the first ballot so when he says he thinks it’s a no brainer that joba should be in the pen , you have to at least listen.
Evening folks,
Joba had a rough start but looks like he’s bouncing back…
Now, can we score off of Beckett?
I say we can!
Let’s Go Yanks!!!!
Looks like Joba is far more efrective when he uses his offspeed stuff to set up his fastball…Not the other way around
There we go…we throw some pitches in the otuside corner to ortiz, he strikes out. We throw off speed pitches to bay, he can’t touch them. That’s what the yanks need to do better against the sox. Mix up the pitches a lot more. Also hit with risp too, that would greatly help.
“Wait, I just checked and they’re not 9 games behind Boston. They are TWO AND A HALF.
have a little faith… cmon.”
This team is too unhealthy to hold up, every hitter has something wrong with them besides Cano. Also the bullpen is not getting any better, there are no reinforcements coming. Melancon was that guy, and he has been pedestrian. Until Bruney comes back which could be 3 weeks from now we have no pen.
Beckett has 2 rings and pitches like a God in the post-season, I give him a lot more credit than most of our pitchers who have won nothing.
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This isn’t October. It’s May 5th.
Beckett has had one great regular season in 2007 and he has never come close to duplicating that kind of production in any other season.
Bay is like there new Millar…
“Looks like Joba is far more efrective when he uses his offspeed stuff to set up his fastball…Not the other way around”
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depends on the hitter. For Jason Bay, yes.
love that changeup
We need to get one run at least this inning.
The problem with the Yankee pitching has been location. Nothing more.
Hughes hit his spots and dominated. He couldn’t throw strikes and got hit.
Joba walks guys and gets burned. He hits his spots and guys strike out.
CC can’t locate his fastball, not gonna be a good day.
AJ throws to the corners, look out. When he’s walking 9 guys, he’s toast.
5 of 6 retired since the first.
To all the insane, this is the ledge calling, get off my back and go sit back down.
Nice pitching by Joba.
And for those who are on the Joba to the pen kick, his breaking ball is setting up his fastball tonight. That doesn’t happen in the pen. He is slowly developing into a great pitcher, just needs to keep things in line between his ears.
He will be the ACE of the staff in two years.
is saying where has 5 mph gone from joba;s fastball.
he doesn’t get it. saying is he pacing himself?
he’s ragging on his staff for not telling him that joba has a good circle change, and just called joba gas masterson.
i think Eckersley is knowledgeable and a character with some of the off the wall stuff.
I still like Joba in the pen
Jose!
http://www.sawauto.com/uploade.....-05%5D.jpg
People talk like they wouldn’t want Beckett on this team tomorrow. He is a very good pitcher.
Slowly the jumpers will start coming back to the blog
Jeterian swing? Kay is awful!
jeterian style
Jete
Hey are we sure that’s Randy?
For the love of Joba, bring the big man home!
yeah, Jeter’s done. Lets send him down to AAA
damon 3 run BOMB
Too bad Reggie Miller was banned.
Demonic!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Johnny!!!
Good job Johnny!
SEEEE YAAAAA
hahahahaaaa here’s Johnnyyyyyyyy!!!!
man damon just loves that
Yes Johnny !! He has been so clutch this year.. Resign this guy immediately!
‘The problem with the Yankee pitching has been location. Nothing more.’
boston dave-
how can joba’s lack of velocity not be a concern? though i do agree the yankee walk way too many hitters and their location i a problem.
i just don’t think it’s the only problem.
YEEHA!!!!!
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!
OH MY GOD!!!!!
I knew we could come back!!!!!
Beckett hasn’t been scary for a while. Truly.
Johnny! That’s more like it!
see thats what happens when you dont take first pitch strikes, BE AGRESSIVE!
WHy does Johnny Damon hate Beckett like this?
He KILLS him!!
Didn’t they used to be friends?
HAH
As much as we kill damon, HE IS A GAMER!!!
What??? All hope is NOT lost?!
Can Tex go back to back.. Yanks have hit Beckett plenty of times over the years!
johnny boy
Whole new ballgame, thanks to Johnny D.!!!!
Go Yanks!!!!!
Al from BK: if the Yankees win this game, will you promise not to post your fatalistic doomsday stuff for a week?
Damon HR.
God the Yankees suck, This game is over, this team is horrible, Joba sucks. Damon is washed up. Jeter can’t hit. blah blah blah blah blah.
Game is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRR from over.
Come on Tex!
tex isn’t turning around
i JUST DONT think joba is hurt at all. It wasnt like he cranked it up for a few pitches in detroit. Wasnt he consistently in the mid 90s there? If not, let me know but he cant do that when injured and all of a sudden be lacking velocity again. You can crank it up for a few pitches but not for an entire game/
“People talk like they wouldn’t want Beckett on this team tomorrow. He is a very good pitcher.”
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of course… but do you really think with the start he’s had this season that the fans in here wouldn’t be destroying him and saying he’s terrible?
God, he is terrible! Is that 160 mil gets you nowadays?
Damon!
tex having trouble with the curve tonight
lets go matsui!
wait a second – the game didn’t end in the first inning? how can that be?
“The problem with the Yankee pitching has been location. Nothing more.”
Fancy way of saying their pitching has been poor. If every pitcher located his pitches games would end 1-0. Don’t see why you’re trying to downplay it.
oops meant $180 mil..
Was that Shelly Duncan that just waffed up there?
Beckett is overrated
Jeterian is a Sterlingism
stolen by Kay
as is his saying “long days journey into night” when a day- game goes on too long
Kay is a hack
Al from BK: if the Yankees win this game, will you promise not to post your fatalistic doomsday stuff for a week?
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I vote the rest of the season.
Stop boooing are players this is so stupid……
Fans really need to stop with the “Boston sucks” chant.
It’s pitiful when Sox fans use it and it’s ten times worse that Yankee fans are copying the pitiful Sox fans.
oh snap sorry that was 180 million dollars of wrist injury.
Your’re reading it here first –
Don’t be shocked if – depending on how Bucholz and Bard do this year – the Sox make a mid-season trade of Beckett for first rate catching talent. His contract is up this year, I believe, but even if not, he’s having problems. Maybe with Texas; I’m guessing that Nolan Ryan would be intrigued by Beckett.
“As much as we kill damon, HE IS A GAMER!!!”
I’ll never kill Damon… he’s too good of a guy, too good of a player, and plays the game so hard.
matsui gets a 2nd life
“Hey are we sure that’s Randy?”
trisha -
you can tell if it’s me if i’m ticking people off
Tex!!! I understand him struggling but how about showing some fire. I mean he just seems resigned to making outs.
“Al from BK: if the Yankees win this game, will you promise not to post your fatalistic doomsday stuff for a week?”
I’ll cut back on it but splitting at home after getting owned at Fenway is nothing to brag about. There was a time when we ruled this rivalry.
how the ___ did grandpa lowell make that
Al from BK – scout’s honor – I would NOT want Beckett on this team.
Damon is almost tailored made for the short porch.
““The problem with the Yankee pitching has been location. Nothing more.”
Fancy way of saying their pitching has been poor. If every pitcher located his pitches games would end 1-0. Don’t see why you’re trying to downplay it.”
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true, but I’m not trying to downplay it.
They need to just go out and pitch and not try to be cute. Some guys will always have issues with location (see: Oliver Perez, Daisuke, etc).
That’s not the case with guys like CC or Hughes/Joba in their short careers so far. They just need to get back on track.
Beckett traded??
LOL
JAckA$$
that was cano’s pitch to hit
Regardless of the tough outcomes these last two days, I think Hughes and Joba are growing as pitchers. Hughes has been getting swings and misses on his fastball (something that was missing last year) and seems to have as much confidence in his new cutter as his curveball (remember the cries last year that he only had 2 pitches?).
Joba might not be throwing his fastball at full velocity, but his breaking stuff looks better the last couple starts.
As frustrating as it is to watch Joba and Hughes struggle with command, this is something that 95% of young pitchers go through. I remember when the biggest knock against Lester was that he walked too many batters, and now look how far he’s come with attacking the strike zone.
We just need to be patient with the young starters and hope that CC, Burnett, and Pettitte can be a strong backbone for this rotation.
“you can tell if it’s me if i’m ticking people off
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Maybe the red sox should send Beckett to the bullpen?
tex 1-11 with 5 k’s against beckett tough day to try and get something going for him.
Pete you can’t blame the fans for being absent from behind home plate for tonight’s game. If this was the playoffs that would be one thing, but for a weeknight game in May not many people would shell out $2500 for a seat. Personally I find it gratifying every time I look on tv and see those seats empty, because I know somewhere the ownership is (hopefully) seeing the same thing and realizing that they can’t get away with what they’ve been doing anymore.
“I’ll cut back on it but splitting at home after getting owned at Fenway is nothing to brag about. There was a time when we ruled this rivalry.”
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ya, way back in 2008 when the Yanks won the season series.
“4-0’s not insurmountable but this team on the whole is reminding me of “Ishtar”
Someone just posted the exact same comment on my Facebook page. Pretty funny, unless Bronx Jeers is actually one of my Facebook friends.
Joe from LI,
I don’t think they could get rid of him, might be poor most of the year, but he’s lights-out come October which makes him worth it.
Geeze Louise it is AWESOME to hear Eck gushing about Robby. He absolutely loves him.
Boston Dave: I will admit that “Boston sucks” is rather uncouth, but it’s been part of the rivalry for a looooooong time, I don’t think it’s going anywhere. Reportedly, when a young Babe Ruth joined his new team in New York, a local reporter asked him how his old home compared to his new one. His reply is still echoed nightly when the Sox come to town.
mike lowell owns this team
Now, I would be highly surprised if we can’t cobble another run or two!
I hope the good vibes didn’t end when Teixeira killed the momentum (three straight outs after Damon’s tater?). They need to pile on the hits and runs before Beckett settles down.
may is not cano’s april
“I realize it’s cold. But when the Yankees are playing the Red Sox, the the fourth, sixth and seventh row directly behind the plate should not be completely empty.”
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Pete, agreed… except attendance is down across the league. It’s a recession…
I liked your previous idea that the seats should be given to charities to auction off or to give to kids.
looks like this will be a battle of the bullpen again.
Pete
How have you not realized by now that the legends seats people aren’t in their seats because it is raining and they have 2 restaurants and 2 bars with all inclusive food and drink to hang out in. It’s not that hard to understand.
The booing of Teixiera has become ridiculous now. I can see if you want to boo him if he K’s in a big spot. But after a normal out?
Has Michael Kay finished his Mike Lowell ball-washing? not likely.
Damon is the lone Red Sox killer on our team.
Someone just posted the exact same comment on my Facebook page. Pretty funny, unless Bronx Jeers is actually one of my Facebook friends.
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lol, that is funny. That’s precisely why i’ve never joined the Facebook version of this blog, though, lol. Imagine some of the comments on here during a game on my facebook wall? Ugh.
Red Sox suxs chants??? Really??? Wow, this is not our Yankee Stadium… Along with all the other problems this stadium has, now it’s filled (ok, half filled) with fans on the level w/ Boston fans in the Class dept??
“Boston Dave: I will admit that “Boston sucks” is rather uncouth, but it’s been part of the rivalry for a looooooong time, I don’t think it’s going anywhere.”
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You’re right… I just hate legitimizing the ridiculous Yankees Suck chant (which was in full use even when the Yankees owned the league).
I could be wrong but it seems to me that the “Boston Sucks” chants started to come out a bit more when they started winning.
So basically “Yankees Suck” or “Boston Sucks” equals “You are better than us right now”
now his april
anyone else getting commercials in the middle of innings?
Two changeups to Drew… he seems to be making an effort to incorporate the pitch.
Pat M, thanks! It’s just frustrating that something as relatively minor as tendonitis can linger to the extent it has….Maybe it’s just growing pains with Joba – he’s still just a kid – like it is with Phil. We’re going to see some good outings and some bad – remember that ML hitters have adjusted to him and he’s going to have to adjust back.
“The booing of Teixiera has become ridiculous now.”
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I hate booing a player who is giving 100%.
Do fans think it’s going to make Tex play harder?
Boo a guy who doesn’t give 100%.
Don’t boo a guy who wants to hit better more than anything.
If a guy isn’t good enough, it’s not his fault he’s in the lineup… it’s the GM/manager.
Don’t boo the player if he’s trying.
Come on Joba you have to attack Varitek.
“Someone just posted the exact same comment on my Facebook page. Pretty funny, unless Bronx Jeers is actually one of my Facebook friends.”
I’m not. No offense of course. This blog represents the extent of my web social networking.
I actually did read your Gallo interview though. I like Gallo. One of the last of the greats.
Don’t umps ever think ” Well the catcher moved his glove, must have been a ball”
He has a great change up tonight.
Trevor
May 5th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
The booing of Teixiera has become ridiculous now. I can see if you want to boo him if he K’s in a big spot. But after a normal out?
welcome to the land of arod.
Arod gets booed every year at home for chewing gum the wrong way.
Didn’t the Boston announcers say Joba has two pitches?
Are they telling their audience that Joba’s fastball is so bad it’s down to 80 with a slight drop when he’s throwing the changeup??
GJ Joba!
“Come on Joba you have to attack Varitek.”
or, better yet:
Come on Joba you have to attack Papelbon.
Last pitch was 95 mph. His velocity is going up every inning.
Has Joba been in the 90s since the first inning?
I do not have the game but assume since the 1st Joba is overpowering? Is that correct any insight.
thanks…
Some people just have a warped distorted memory of the past. Beckett SUCKED in the playoffs last year. hE WAS JUSR mediocre in the regular season last year and he sucked in 2006 on the sox. He also he doing terribly this season so far with an era over 7. So all in all, beckett has had one great season with the sox and one amazing playoff run with the sox both in 2007 obviously. I mean he did help them win the world series that year but outside of that season, beckett’s career has been subpar on the sox in 2006, 2008 and this year. He is definitely not an ace IMO outside of that one season in the AL east. That does not make him an ace.
Meanwhile, where did all that joba is injured, joba is a reliever BS go? It all disappears as soon as he once again shows how great he is as a starter. He also has some of the best stats when comparing him to the best starters in the game if you begin the comparison when joba finally entered the rotation.
Man. How can one suck so hard in one inning and be so good the next three after. Ugh
Jobber (i’m so adopting that) is looking like a completely different pitcher.
that fastball was 95.
Hey guys, can we throw out Joba’s first inning tonight? Thanks. Joba is throwing a lot of change ups. The first inning he was throwing belt high fast balls that the Red Sox were crushing.
Come on. I could actually start crying from just being so flippin blown away by what I am seeing from Joba. (That and I’ve had a little bit of a rough day.)
Seriously, I am blown away. He is phenomenal.
Now I can’t wait to hear the postgame because we will definitely get the deal from Joba. Or Eiland. Or Girardi.
“I’ll cut back on it but splitting at home after getting owned at Fenway is nothing to brag about.”
Yelling “abandon ship!” on May 5 isn’t much to be proud of either.
In case you haven’t noticed. Joba’s fastball velocity have increased from 89 mph at the beginning to about 94 now.
“looks like this will be a battle of the bullpen again.”
Job’a sbeen much better since the first – now if only someone could so something about the pitch count! I know, i know – baby steps
Joba’s looking a lot better. However, while everyone’s focusing on his reduced velocity, I’ve noticed his slider is suffering as well. I haven’t seen that deadly, straight down slider this year. He’s mostly throwing a get me over, fat slider. It’s good because he can now throw it for a strike but doesn’t seem to use it as an out pitch anymore.
tex is a pro. he has been a star since he is 17, he will figure it out. it is a long long season……….
he got all that dough for a reason also not declining star BS the guy just turned 29 and speed is not one of his tools…
haven’t seen m today….
I can’t talk because my team lost too but her Lakers went down.
I’m sure the NBA will do something to make sure its Kobe vs LeBron in the Finals though.
They wouldn’t allow it any other way.
Swish is due for a Yankee Stadium home run.
Jobber recovered from that crappy 1st inning. He is at 71 pitches right now
ellsbury left game with tight hamstring.
Just not right now.
“That and I’ve had a little bit of a rough day.”
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rough day? you should feel liberated.
WOW a redsox injuried HEHEHE
Red Sox players dropping like flies.
The Yanks have had their injuries but at least the Sox are trying to match them.
Way to be aggressive
go get him again joe . bad call.
wow..that hurt.
wow..that hurt.
Ellsbury’s out too…nice
That always happens to us.
DAMN YOU MELKY. That was soo unneccesary!
ack
That was meals too – that moron from last night
Jerry Meals strikes again.
Good base running Pudge Cabrera
Sucks though he would have scored!!!
“Who’s Your Daddy” was the best chant in recent memory. I think even Pedro enjoyed that one.
I’m also a fan of the drawn out last name of an opposing pitcher. “Schiiiilll-iiiing”
Everybody gets booed once in a while. To me it’s counter-productive but the fans don’t have any allegiance to the newbies. Yet.
The Arod booing was dumb. How can you boo your best offensive player?
Buckner!
The Mo booing was beyond dumb.
melky would score now – what is the point of getting on third when he needed a hit either way? You cant do that as the tying run
It took two perfect throws and it was damn close. Sheesh.
ellsbury and youkilis are hurt because the team is old and unathletic and epstein should have planned for this!!!!!!
sounds stupid huh!!It is … you cannot plan for every possible contingency…..
ellsbury and youkilis are hurt because the team is old and unathletic and epstein should have planned for this!!!!!!
sounds stupid huh!!It is … you cannot plan for every possible contingency…..
I was not thinking triple on that Melky hit.
Ok, don’t get on Melky now, we all know about that famous Fallacy…
Can’t argue with that play. The chances of Melky making 3B was greater than the chances of Pena and/or Molina getting a hit to score him from second.
And now the Sox make an error.
With Pena and Molina coming up and 1 out, it was the right play by Melky…
no problem trying to take 3rd. and he was in there in time too, cant help bad calls from bitter umps.
That looked actually really close – almost like a tie.
This umpire has been solid.
Whatever happened to that Alberto Gonzalez kid and Justin Christian? Haven’t really been following. Just out of curiosity.
big strikezone for Beckett this inning
both are no longer Yankees
“DAMN YOU MELKY. That was soo unneccesary!”
With only 1 out and Pena and Molina coming up it was the right move. If he makes it, a sac fly ties it. Another problem with having Molina’s bat in the game.
carl May 5th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
This umpire has been solid.
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Jinx
BTW Guys, Joba this year is BY FAR our best starter so far without question. No one has been too impressive but only joba and pettitte so far have stats that they can be proud of.
“melky would score now – what is the point of getting on third when he needed a hit either way?”
Come on dave, you should know better. If Melky is safe at third, he scores on a sac fly. And you can’t assume the same sequence would have occured anyway.
Nick in SF
May 5th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Ok, don’t get on Melky now, we all know about that famous Fallacy…
of the predetermined hit?
Joba has gotten sharp but has thrown a ton pitches through 4.
Naw it really was a strike.
gonzalez got raded to wash last year. christian?
Dave do you understand the game of baseball at all??
It wasnt a bad call, Melky was obviously out
Wow, Eck is tearing at Molina saying he is an automatic out! I wish I could reach into the TV right now and and pull his 1975 hairdo right out of his head…
Maybe Melky got greedy, but at least he was trying to help. With one out sometimes you need to take that risk. But what’s to say that this lost potential run would’ve made a difference at the end?
You can’t fault Melky for playing with URGENCY!
Christian was rule 5′ed to Baltimore, right?
Come on Jose! Pick us up.
“I actually did read your Gallo interview though. I like Gallo. One of the last of the greats.”
Thanks, Bronx Jeers. I agree with you about Gallo. He’s a legend, as well as a great guy.
As the tying run, I dont think it was worth it to try. He needs to know the strength of the arm of the outfielders. That was a strong accurate arm he was up against.
the angels go for it all the time the way melky did.
i have no problem with him going for it , but a slide knowing where the ball was coming from would have been nice.
he might have got in the way.
it’s pouring right now in central jersey
we would be tied now but melky hAD to go.
Thanks Melky
Next inning we better score. This junior varsity line-up is frustrating.
Dave,
It takes two perfect throws to get you. With one out, you take the chance so that you can score on a GB, or Sac fly. With Pena and Molina coming up, the chances of one of them getting a hit that will score him from second are slim to none. It was absolutely the right play by Melky.
cOACH
Do you understand it would have been 4 to 4 now if melky didnt try for third? Do you understand how accurate and strong pedroia’s arm is? Do you understand that melky could have tried to steal third if need be? Do you understand that we had two cracks of the bat to get one hit in which melky would have scored? Apparently you dont but you like being annoying
Joba has been pitching incredible since his hiccup at the start. There will be no stopping him. Beckett looks awful. Next inning is our chance to do some real damage. But Tex needs to get a frikkin hit!
had Melky stayed at 2nd would he not been stranded at 3rd? After moving to third on the Pena ab
Tying the game isn’t worth it? Trying for the extra base with Pena and Molina coming up isn’t worth it? That’s exactly when it *is* worth it.
“You can’t fault Melky for playing with URGENCY!”
Its not urgency, its stupidity. You dont go for a triple on an obvious double when your the tying run in an important game. Maybe its his way of thinking that he can be fast like his counterpart Gardner? But its never going to be the case as Melkys obesity will always hold him back
Joba @ 71 Beckett @ 72
“the angels go for it all the time the way melky did.”
The Angels are an interesting team… I’ve never seen a club run themselves out of more innings. On the other hand, it IS their style, and it helps them win games. My guess is that style helps 51% of the time. Whatever works, I guess.
If Brett did that would it be called grit/guts?
Melky does it and he’s clueless?
I bet Giardi LOVED that play.
How cuold Ellsbury be out with a hamstring injury? I thought the Sox had the intelligence and methodology to prevent injuries. And Youkilis too, last night. What can we believe in?
Dave,
Learn about how to play the game, and get back to me.
Love,
Coach
What is the point of being obnoxious in this blog? Is it required to get a point across? And the best is when its just a nasty comment with no real point attached. Way to add something to the blog with those.
Yes Melky blew that all they way.. Can you say manufacture there? Something this team fails to do.
Joba is nasty man.
“Joba has gotten sharp but has thrown a ton pitches through 4.”
Becket has more through 4
Our boy Joba is starting to bear down, good to see him battle back. It is what young pitchers need to learn.
The bald elf has to K here…please!
“If Brett did that would it be called grit/guts?
Melky does it and he’s clueless?
I bet Giardi LOVED that play.”
Pete may have said it as a joke to poke at the Gardner haters/Melky lovers, but its all a joke.
Gardner = fast
Melky = not fast
Fast players should reach for a triple, players that arent fast, stay for doubles. Would you say great idea if Molina went for a triple on a double in the gap and got out if he were the tying run?
Melky had NO business going for a triple
If you are barely thrown out at third with 1 out, with your AA Utility Player, and your back up catcher who is known for his glove and not his bat, it is absolutely the right play to try and stretch that.
“we would be tied now but melky hAD to go.”
dave, don’t you remember the first rule of being in a hole? It’s to stop digging. You’re in a hole now. Stop digging.
You don’t know what would have happened if Melky had stayed at second. You also don’t know what would have happened if Melky had been safe at third. When you don’t know something but you pretend you do, it makes you look kind of silly.
Man… I hope Joba is holding back here. 96? He is supposed to throw EVERY pitch 100 mph.
Nice that made my night there…yessa!
I was going to make a joke as to where Al from BK went after Joba calmed down and we actually hit THEIR ACE, but he’s still exactly where he was.
While I still want Dave Eiland hung by painful parts of his body off the Deegan, I sure love me some Joba when he’s on point.
Let’s get this done.
The fact that it was THAT close with two perfect throws and perfect handling in the corner shows that it was obviously the right play. 1 out, two poor hitters coming up. Pete saying that is bad baserunning is fairly ridiculous. If he makes it, it’s great baserunning.
Randy I, Doesn’t anyone know how to hook slide anymore….Do they still teach that…..
Jobakkkkkkkkk!
“Man… I hope Joba is holding back here. 96? He is supposed to throw EVERY pitch 100 mph.”
Joking right?
He’s got that Johan Change !!!
man…joba is dealing..if only we can get him some more runs..hes battled for us
joBA is looking effortless in his delivery right now and his velocity is back up. I dont think velocity is always a tell-tale sign of an injury. I think fans are being more cautious and rightfully so because we have had so many players recently trying to play through injury and assumed joba’s velocity may be a sign and it could be but its not because it wouldnt be fluctuating so much
Hurt em joba!
Otiz was out 3 times in that at bat.
PLUNKED
Yep, thats what my SIL said, SA.
She’s sick to death of rain.
Walks Big Poopie
HEY
Joel Sherman just said Jeter is the Michael Corleone and Posada is the Sonny Corleone.
lifted directly from this blog
RgR- Ever heard of sarcasm?
Good hit Bay. The Umps should have given you the calls
Joba needs to settle down or he’s never gonna get the close calls. The umps have been correct and even gave him the close one on Pedroia.
This start reminds me exactly of his last start in Detroit.. starts slow then starts dealing later on.. Now Bay gets plunked…nice.. Eck is crying on NESN saying it is intentional.. boo hoo!!
bravo! not on purpose. but bravo.
Coney?? No intention??? C’mon… good for Joba…
haha good that the yankee killer finally get plunked
Jeter’s gonna get it now
Sheesh… he did NOT check his swing.
Does MLB ever look at tape of how awful their umps are. You can fill a book with all the screw ups this series.
Jose Veras are you serious
Its not the first time Melky has made bad baserunning mistakes either. The game that he won on a walk off in the 15th, he tried to steal 2nd base in the 7th inning where he would have scored along with Jeter, Pena, and Damon and we wouldnt have had to tire out all of our bullpen leading to an ugly sweep against the Red Sox.
strikes Jobber
When asked what hitter gives Joba the most trouble, he answered “Mike Lowell”.
I hope he’s not hitting guys on purpose to put two on to face his toughest out.
Come on Joba K this ex-Yankee…
Veras warming. I’m gonna lose it if he comes in. Let Joba pitch! or put him in the pen! PICK ONE!
Angel- I would say that it was very close. Not a bad call.
Angel- I would say that it was very close. Not a bad call.
OK, for those of us in the Boston area where we have to put up with the dreaded NESN feed, who the hell is doing color commentary in place of Remy today? His blatant bias against the Yankees is making me puke.
JOSE VERAS!? NOOO
JobaKKKKKKKKKK!
Yeah JOba!!!
Joba ks 10 in 5 inning Hahahahahahaha
10K’s wow
Jose Veras coming in to crap on everything.
jennifer
May 5th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
Does MLB ever look at tape of how awful their umps are. You can fill a book with all the screw ups this series.
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I’ve asked this a lot, apparently they look at games in “groups” and there is no real penalty, just “development points”…I don’t think most of us can be that much off without some sort of penalty…not sure how that works for Umps
Nice show some emotion out there Joba.. 10 K’s thru 5.. Now comes the lashback.. this is gonna get ugly real quick.. DO we agree????
“RgR- Ever heard of sarcasm?”
That would be why I said…”Joking Right?”
Cant 100% sense sarcasm over the internet, so I asked
” I thought the Sox had the intelligence and methodology to prevent injuries. And Youkilis too, last night. What can we believe in?”
joe-
you can’t prevent injuries, but you can minimize them. the yankees just seem to get more than their share of them for some reason.
ballsy showing by Joba tonight.
Sweet having to appeal to that paragon of fairness and Yankee love, Jerry Meals.
AND I LOVE WHAT JOBA JUST DID ON THE MOUND.
Now, what will faust do to the Yankees? NESN showed him in the dugout and you know the wheels were turning.
Stay tuned.
Sweet having to appeal to that paragon of fairness and Yankee love, Jerry Meals.
AND I LOVE WHAT JOBA JUST DID ON THE MOUND.
Now, what will faust do to the Yankees? NESN showed him in the dugout and you know the wheels were turning.
Stay tuned.
Yep, thats what my SIL said, SA.
She’s sick to death of rain.
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So am I Angel. This rain is depressing. Though it seems to have stopped for now!
joba PUT life in this team by not only settling down, but just DOMINATING the sox
please dont go to verA$$
we really need to get Joba some runs now. He is dealing out there.
when Veras COmes in it will turn into blow out
This is why Joba is NEEDED in the rotation
ps: Listen to Mike Francessa tomorrow at 1pm as the fist pump will lead off the show tomorrow
last 4 innings
1 hit, 10K
what happened to all the Joba to the pen posts?
We need the lead and now, Veras is giving up at least 2 when he comes in.
joba = somebody is gonna get hurt!
Please let him pitch another inning…he’s dealing
run, need runs…c’mon – this is doable
10 SOs for Jobber. Well done!
ECK flipping out over joba drilling bay on purpose.
i think joba has a mean streak in him
beckett is going to retaliate. it’s in his dna.
going to happen.
PA bad base running mistake yeah right bro… it took 2 perfect throws and they still barely got him…. and i dont mean just good i mean perfect… the Yankees dont mind that play by Melky at all
This is the most exciting Yankees game of the year with Joba dealing.
I am having too much fun watching!
As long as Beckett doesn’t head hunt, go ahead and put a man on in a 1-run game.
The Yankees have the momentum…
Nice numbers, but he’s done for the night
C’mon!
Where the optimists at?
Vares? Still not using Melancon I see…
will beckett hit johnny or tex?
Nice ground out captain.
Nick,
I wasnt pretending to know what would have happened. I am just saying that pena was safe and then reached second in the next at bat and in that case, melky may have scored. And there was how many outs before that out? I think it was zero. So if melky stayed at second, there would have been a whole inning worth of at bats for him to score. I just dont think him reaching third was all that important and as the tying run, him running himself into an out was important. If that is the last batter the yanks have on third – it will look like a really stupid move. Thats all Im saying. Its fine to disagree but i dont like when people are nasty in their retorts to my comments like the one above from coach. Ive been watching baseball since I was 5 years old – I dont need some person i dont know telling me to learn how to play the game.
Geez Jeter!!
VERAS better not come in
Does Jobbers first inning have to count?
Please tell me that Jose Veras is not coming in…I mean, really.
Veras so sucks. What’s Girardi’s problem? Does he TRY to lose games? It’s not like he’s used up everyone else already in the game.
if there’s two outs , teixeira may be baptized.
come on tex….
If veras comes in he will walk the lead off man
He’ll drill Tex here. Hope he has quick feet.
If CC and Burnett can replicate the Joba from the 2nd inning on, Yankees will be in first by the end of june with a 5 game lead.
dave,
there was 1 out.
it wasnt a terrible move to go for 3rd simply, as stated, because it was PEna and Molina coming up.
otherwise I’d have preferred he stayed at 2nd.
Teixeria i want a tex message from you
“Please tell me that Jose Veras is not coming in…I mean, really.”
He is Girardi’s man-crush, he will only stop using him when they decide to DFA him.
Please I ask just one favor. And of course you don’t have to comply. If we have a relief pitcher coming in, no matter who it is, can you just give the person a chance? Instead of spewing all negativity, can you just button it and actually give the person a chance?
It would be so nice if for once everyone just held off on trashing our guys. Just once. Of course I would prefer you don’t trash them at all, but I know that’s not realistic.
Thanks.
(My fear after Melky hit the Amish farmer was that Beckett might come in and bear down.)
basehit for tex.
Wow. These umpires have been horrendously horendous this whole series. I was just about to ask who is on 3rd that can be as bad as the homeplate guy was last night, but I checked gameday. Its Jerry Meals, the same guy that was on home last night. I think we can all come to an agreement that plunking the batters isnt what should be done by Joba, unless its Ortiz or Youkilis. Joba should be throwing the fastballs at todays 3rd base umpire. The guy needs some help, because his performance has been worse than that crews was in the Seattle series a few years back when they called the guy safe at 2nd when Posada had him out by a mile and a half. That crew was pretty bad, but Jerry Meals is outdoing them. Its pitiful. Maybe the Yankees should have another meeting with the MLB, like they did last year.
I sincerely hope that Girardi sits Veras down, and keeps Joba in there.
ps: Listen to Mike Francessa tomorrow at 1pm as the fist pump will lead off the show tomorrow
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LOL
He probably will lead off with that
“Folks, this idear that Jobber is doing a little fist pump after striking out Lowell in da 5th aftah giving up 4 runs in the 1st is udderly disgraceful and not the Yankee way.”
thats the kind of hit that starts a streak?
Tex-Er-Ria
Aboout Tex getting booed. He has to think that Yankee fans are total losers when he got booed for striking out tonight, after hitting two homers last night.
It is kind of pathetic.
C’mon Matsui