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Sweeny Murti of WFAN is reporting that Jorge Posada will be placed on the disabled list with a hamstring strain.
No word yet on who will be replacing him. Obviously this is a big blow to the Yankees. After never being on the disabled list in his career, this will be the third stint for Posada in about a year. Frankly, this is what happens when you have a 37-year-old catcher.
The question now becomes whether this keeps him out a few weeks or a few months. We should know more later.
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Lots of e-mails today from fans who were part of a ruckus outside the Stadium when apparently some team employees told people the game was called. When folks left and tried to get back in, they were denied entrance.
Some people were arrested and from I understand, it was very tense.
I was in the press box, so my knowledge about this is limited to what people have communicated via e-mail. Unfortunately, it’s not a surprise. I know from dealing with them on a daily basis that the Yankees have some security people who are very aggressive.
I would say this, however. When there is a rain delay, do not believe anything you’re told by anybody until you see an announcement on the scoreboard or hear an announcement over the public address system. That is the only valid information.
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Chad Jennings
Sam Borden
Josh Thomson
Mike Piazza is out there. ugh.
god dammit
Francessa has been spot on so far
Why would people believe someone who is walking around selling popcorn? Wouldn’t you call a friend and ask if they’ve heard anything?
What this means is they need to get Montero up here quickly.
Can Piazza still play or did he retire?
I’d have no problem bringing him here if he is still interested in playing
ouch..
Mike is right…. the Red Sox now expect to beat the Yankees now. They beat us in every way imaginable.. 1-0 games, shootouts, walkoffs, grind out games like yesterday etc.
They know how to beat us and expect to. Just a tougher, more confidence team.
We can see “What if Cano got the hit…”, but he didn’t. What if Jeffery Maier caught the ball? Good teams get the breaks and use it to their advantage.
the only other C on the 40 is frank cervelli…think they bring him up to backup molina or add someone else from the system or do they sign someone new (who would also need to be added to the 40)?
Montero isn’t remotely ready for the major leagues. That’s not an option.
Why would anyone want Piazza? Give me a break! No way.
Exactly I do not know how people would just leave. I was waiting till I got official word from you Pete; I figured you would know before anyone.
As for the team- it migth be time to look at Cashman and what he has or hasn’t done in his time here. I have always been a defender of him but it seems his best tool is to throw money at people.
The best move he has made in 5 yrs was his trade for Jose Molina- a backup catcher. They have fallen way behind the curve of developing players and are left with signing guys who are over the hill once they hit the free agent market.
It was over a year ago when that fringe player from Tampa Bay barreled into home plate for no reason against the yankees in a spring training game.
People were rightfully up in arms about that move.
But we are only seeing it’s repercussions now.
Cervelli broke a bone on that play and was effectively out for the entire season.
That cost him an entire year of development which was particularly problematic because that was the last year he didn’t need to be protected on the 40 man roster.
Right now he’s on the 40 man but still in AA and hitting .190 after not playing much baseball for the past year.
Cervelli isn’t anything great. But he did appear to be at least a guy who could potentially be a decent back up catcher.
If he had been able to play last year and done decently and was in AAA now (as he should be were it not for that slide…) he’d be a much better option than what they are left with in AAA.
They still could call him up as he’s on the 40 man but he’s not even close to being ready to play in the bigs as he missed all of last season.
“I would say this, however. When there is a rain delay, no not believe anything you’re told by anybody until you see an announcement on the scoreboard or hear an announcement over the public address system. That is the only valid information.”
Exactly !!!
Go Yankees 2009 !!
You can’t even make a 60 day dl move. None of the injuries appear bad enough to require it. If they don’t bring up Cervelli, they’ll have to drop someone.
If Cash wasnt on the DL, we would have him. Cashman was prepared but he cannot predict his entire team being glass.
I agree with Francesa with Yankee pitchers need to move RS players off the plate. They do look quite comfortable in the box. We’ll probably see some of it with Joba tonight, who has no problem throwing up and in on Sox hitters.
Move Cervelli and bring up PJ pellitierre (mispelled im sure).
Joe Mauer in 2011!!!! He’ll only be 28 at the start of the 2011 season. Sign him to an 8-9 year deal! That’s Posada’s last year.
“The best move he has made in 5 yrs was his trade for Jose Molina- a backup catcher. They have fallen way behind the curve of developing players and are left with signing guys who are over the hill once they hit the free agent market.”
He got Swisher this offseason, got Abreu at the trade deadline in 06, and got A-Rod in 04. Those have all been good trades in recent history.
cervelli is just taking up space on the 40, he will never start for the yankees. PJ is better anyway and should be the one in AAA.
At least the folks who got turned away got a good night’s sleep and didn’t have to witness another gut-wrencher.
Gary Bennett
Paul Lo Duca
Joe Mauer in 2011!!!! He’ll only be 28 at the start of the 2011 season. Sign him to an 8-9 year deal! That’s Posada’s last year.
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We have two catchers of the future, we dont need to spend for mauer.
“Montero isn’t remotely ready for the major leagues. That’s not an option.”
Plus he’s in a bit of a funk down in Tampa. 2 for his 20, 7 for his last 39.
Heard last night he was hurt. Any truth to this?
Damon
Jeter
Teixeria
Matsui
Cano
Swisher
Cabrera
Pena
Molina
Hooray!! And when Matsui needs a rest, we can have Gardner AND Melky in the lineup.
Yeah sign Joe Mauer another high priced free agent who will be closer to past their prime then entering it.
Develop some home grown guys.
If Yankee employees told fans the game was called, and the team then denied re entry to those fans,the team should be held responsible for refunding the cost of the tickets.
Small Claims court anyone??
Brutal.
A-Rod is near is his return and now we lose Posada. Bummer.
I guess Molina gets a bulk of the time now.
Boy, we really need our bullpen to pick up the slack. CC and AJ will get things together, I have no doubt, but its time for everyone to step up.
Speaking of the pen, Aceves looked good last night minus that home run. Perfect long reliever if you ask me.
The Red Sox have beat us for years now in the first few months …we usually rack up the wins in the latter months…that’s why the series are always so even at the end of the season…it’s weird but a fact ..
Go Yankees 2009!!
CB’s point is well taken.
Also, this was a year a ton of catchers were on the market. The Yankees had Posada coming off major surgery and Jose Molina as their catchers.
Out of all the options out there, the Yankees decided Kevin Cash was the best option. I’ll leave it to others to determine if that was the way to go.
Either way, as with a lot of decisions, its come back to bite them in the butt.
Now, its scramble time again. May 5, and the team is in scramble mode again. Not good.
Francessa giving Girardi major props yesterday
And how can you prove who did or didn’t see the game. They have no recourse.
Well, it looks like it might be trading time.
You can’t get Saltalamacchia, Teagarden, or Max Ramirez without overpaying. The Rangers wanted a package of Buchholz+others from the Sox. They’ll start any discussions with Hughes, which is not happening.
Only deals I make, if I’m Cashman, include, at the most, Kennedy+Relievers+cash. I don’t think that gets anything of value.
Torrealba hit .246 last year. He’s batting ~.200 this year. Worthless.
“But we are only seeing it’s repercussions now.
Cervelli broke a bone on that play and was effectively out for the entire season.”
Wow, excellent point.
Cashman got A-Rod , Abreu and Swisher because he could eat their contracts. I dont have a problem with those moves There were no major prospects involved. But they cannot be called a great GM move . He had to take on Cory Lidle’s contract with Abreu and the Phillies used the extra space to sign some of their own guys and win a world title.
Mauer for 9 years? LOL Haven’t they screwed up enough with these long-term deals? Good Lord, these players just become albatrosses after a while.
Tex’s friend is right….P.J. is at Scranton and is hitting well so far this year. He’s the best option.
What a mess
god forbid they let some people in to fill the 20000 empty seats. I had free reign in left field bleachers last night. The bleachers were basically stairs for me to walk on from one group of friends to another. Silly Yankees.
The NYY management is darned if they do darned if they dont.
“Also, this was a year a ton of catchers were on the market. The Yankees had Posada coming off major surgery and Jose Molina as their catchers.”
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.c.....gents.html
Catchers
Rod Barajas TOR
Henry Blanco * CHC
Johnny Estrada WAS
Toby Hall * CWS
Adam Melhuse TEX
Mike Redmond * MIN
Ivan Rodriguez NYY
David Ross BOS
Javier Valentin CIN
Jason Varitek BOS
Vance Wilson DET
Gregg Zaun * TOR
Which of these catchers do you think Cashman should have signed? Also, would said catcher have accepted a minor league deal, or would you have carried a 3rd catcher on the 25 man roster?
We’re 25 games into the season and we’re already falling apart and in crisis-mode.
Just another year in Yankee-land. I agree a lot of it was bad luck, but a good portion of it can be attributed to poor/lazy roster management.
No trades. Posada will not be out that long. I have seem PJ play and i think they should give the chance Dionner Navarro never saw.
Joe Mauer has a bad knee and a bad back.
Yeah, let’s give another soon to be FA a ton of cash and watch him have trouble playing here.
How about this novel suggestion? How about developing a core of players from within?
If it takes 3 years, it takes 3 years.
Isn’t it better than this? A 210 million dollar team filled with holes.
The game has changed. If they don’t develop from within, they won’t again. Simple as that.
I’ll make a pre-emptive strike to those who will want them to pay another 150 million in the off-season for Matt Holliday. Forget it and don’t even think about it.
Not the way to go.
I am sick to my stomach. I can only hope this will keep him on the DL for 3 weeks at the most.
You can never tell with a hammie. Those can linger for long periods of time. If this team ever needed A-Rod back, I guess the time is now.
If we call up Cervelli, that is fine. What else can we do at this point?
“Kennedy+Relievers+cash. I don’t think that gets anything of value.”
This is the understatement of the yea . . . unless the cash is just a sick amount.
“Its a vicious circle isn’t it?
The answer? Somebody, somehow has to break the cycle.”
SJ,
It is. That’s what i’ve been posting about. I was hoping Cashman was the guy to break that cycle as things have changed since 2005. But they may not be changing fast enough.
But again, this is why they need to draw a line in the sand about things like moving Joba to the pen.
All those kinds of short term moves do is to make that vicious cycle spin faster.
What’s frustrating to me is why this team doesn’t completely disrupt the economics for scouting?
I just don’t get it.
Why don’t they decide we’ll pay scouts 1.5 times their going rate to scout for the yankees and put together the best and most comprehensive talent identification organization in the bigs? For top scouts they should double their salaries – whatever it takes. Who cares? The money is minuscule compared to what they are wasting at the big league level.
I don’t know if its ownership or upper management or the GM.
There’s no reason why they should have those kinds of resources.
They should have poured money into amateur, internal, and major league scouting and poured money in to minor league coaching.
But they didn’t or at least didn’t do so to the extent they could have and should have.
Why are people panicking?
The Wild Card is right there for us. Toronto will fall down to earth soon.
Any word as to how severe the injury is?
If we call up Cervelli, that is fine. What else can we do at this point?
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PJ.
The sky is falling!!!
Calm down guys, the season is still young
Someone Else,
But we don’t necessarily have to go get a catcher. Molina can catch, he just can’t really hit. That’s your give and take.
Too bad we didn’t get Cameron…especially with the way he’s hitting. I don’t care if Melky is doing well now, it won’t last.
When we get ARod back, we have a solid hitter at 3B, thus eliminating Pena from the bottom of the lineup. Matsui has to fill in more often at DH, and Pena is the 3B when Arod DHs. Where we could improve in the short term is in the OF. I’d revisit that Cameron trade, put him in CF, cut Kennedy loose once and for all.
Exactly, SJ. As we’ve said, the Yankees business model is broken.
The Yankees lack of options is what sets them apart from legitimate contenders. It will be this way for another three years.
But, i agree with SJ in the last thread, bring in Billy Beane and remove the Wall St. stock brokers from baseball operations.
All of our “premier talent” is in A-Ball or lower
Going to be a while before we can even think of adding those guys to our core.
We’re stuck between a rock and a hard place… in a endless cycle of overspending and mediocrity.
when were about to get arod back, we lose posada. never should been played
how funny would it be if our pitching staff just so happened to turn around now
Starting third baseman
Starting rightfielder
Starting catcher
#2 starter
primary lefty setup man
primary righty setup man
All on the DL.
That. Is. Ridiculous.
Yeah Montero got hurt yesterday. Signing Mauer makes little sense. Nice idea but by the time he’s a FA someone like Montero or even Romine will be ML ready. So…
They can clear a spot on the 60 man by shifting Nady to the 60 day – he went on April 15 and that would put him out until June 15. Unless they expect him back before that.
DonnieBaseball, nady wasn’t nearly as big of a hit as everything else
And the hits keep on comin! assuming it’s not Cervelli coming up, who’s catching?
Stadium security is horrendous. Stand in the wrong place, you’ll get an earful or worse. Many are off-duty cops who have no qualms about getting physical.
IMHO, Yankee organization is the least fan friendly in baseball. It’s shameful. It’s contemptible.
Sure, we can live with Molina….. if Cashman goes out and gets Mike Cameron.
It’s not always replacing the injured player, it’s about trying to replace the production. When A-Rod comes back, we still have 2 automatic outs in Melky and Molina. Well, go out and replace one of those.
they can DFA berroa
I’d love to have Billy Beane in the Bronx. I mentioned it last year, but let’s just say the Cashman lovers didn’t find it appetizing.
However, I doubt Beane would come here. Things are too chaotic and I genuinely believe he likes it in Oakland.
“DonnieBaseball, nady wasn’t nearly as big of a hit as everything else”
No, he wasn’t. But he was the starting rightfielder. It’s never good to lose a starter. Especially considering how little depth we now have.
Yeah, replace the 24 year old who seems like he’s figuring things out with a 37 year old. That’s a brilliant idea.
Wait… we want to get YOUNGER, not OLDER?!
“Throwing a bunch of names of Yankee players out there and say what they will do isn’t really how it works, is it?
We had this conversation all last year when it came to the offense.
No matter how futile they were for long stretches, especially with RISP, all some of us got in return was a bunch of stats and were told, “they will hit”.
Guess what? They didn’t.”
The Yankees are 2nd in the league in runs per game with Alex Rodriguez yet to play a game and Mark Teixeira hitting like Nick Green (who is actually hitting like Mark Teixeira).
If you want to argue about why the Yankees don’t hit with RISP you aren’t going to get anywhere. The bottom line is that the Yankees have been scoring runs as well as anyone in the league, and should get better at scoring runs with Rodriguez in the lineup and Teixeira hitting like he should. If you think that Teixeira isn’t going to get going, you are wrong.
They will hit.
“But, i agree with SJ in the last thread, bring in Billy Beane and remove the Wall St. stock brokers from baseball operations.”
You do know tha Billy Beane was the guy who paved the way for the “Wall St. stock brokers” to come in and run baseball operations, right?
Did the Yankees make a mistake in going after CC, AJ and Tex? We’re bemoaning the fact that they spend $$$ on free agents – what were our options?
its pathetic how nick green can step up for the sox yet not even the starters on the yankees can step up
Betsy, the Yankees made the right moves signing those guys. Those guys just need to earn their money now and start performing. Especially with all the other injuries.
I agree with Francesa.
“I don’t know if I’d trust Hal, Hank, or Randy Levine to hire somebody and give them full control of the baseball team.”
tom in nj-
what about cashman himself hiring his successor? he knows what the job takes.
CB was just mentioning how on wall street corporations are making decisions on what looks best for the next quarter’s reports.
what’s wrong with the yankees deepening their management team by keeping cashman at his present salary in a higher newly created position and overseeing the overall direction the team is taking while leaving the newly hired young energetic GM to do the heavy lifting of day to day operations?
do you really think cashman can be looking at anything long term this week with the fires he has to put out?
I will say this…. Cashman is going to have to earn every cent he makes this year.
Make or break time for him. We’re in dire straits only 25 games into the season with more holes than swiss cheese.
He needs to stop hoping for a miracle and be proactive. This is his 5th year in charge of the draft. He has to have developed some attractive chips, right?
$210 million dollar payroll… $423 spent this winter… new stadium with empty seats. Cannot let this spiral out of control.
I agree with Tom from N.J. You worried about not having Jorge last year because we were devastated without his offense. But remember that we also were without Matsui, Robby forgot how to hit, and Jeter was captain so-unclutch it wasn’t funny. We’re not dealing with the same situation right now. (Insert: yeah, it’s worse. There, I did it for you.)
Depending on what the Yankees know right now we will either see Cervelli or we will go out and find a catcher. I would prefer to hear we’re getting Cervelli only because I think that would be the best assurance that Posada won’t be down too long, at least from what the organization knows.
We’ll know when we know.
What’s that old saying, when the going gets tough the tough get going? Here’s a huge litmus test of what these guys are going to do to pick each other up, pick the team up, and do what they can to win games without Jorge. Wait and watch. They’ll either do it or they won’t. No need expending worry that doesn’t do you any good since none of us has control over the situation. Good teams overcome adverse situations. Bad teams don’t.
We’ll see.
You do know tha Billy Beane was the guy who paved the way for the “Wall St. stock brokers” to come in and run baseball operations, right?
Maybe the real money guys who want to own a team but not idiots like Levine, Trost, Bros. Steinbrenner and all the wonderful people of influence who think because they participate in the company softball league they are not authorities on who should be signed and who has talent.
Not with RISP. They haven’t hit with any level of consistency in clutch situations for over 2 years.
Its why their overall offensive numbers are useless stats to me.
How do they hit in the clutch? Do they get big hits late against good teams like Boston? No, they don’t.
As far as I’m concerned, until they actually hit when it matters on a more consistent basis, I don’t agree they will hit.
They are what they are until somebody breaks the cycle. As of yet, nobody has.
Hopefully, that changes during the year. Giving me stats of guys who only seem to hit in the first 6 innings of the game doesn’t impress me.
No, the mistake was how he supplemented the team and left it with many holes. Everything looks great in Spring Training, every year, for every team. Not the case when the season starts and the holes are more noticeable and cost you games
The strangest thing about being at last night’s game was…
I did talk to one of the attendants… the How Can We Help You people and two told me that they were thinking of a start after 8 pm, but they know as much as we did at the Stadium.
I got help from Rebecca (Yes, Aunt Becca =P), but mostly, the information was the same: go past 8 pm and see what happened.
Apparently, I got lucky, but also that it was a HUGE vast of misinformation going around.
By the way, I didn’t see a lot of posters ranting about what an awful team Cashman went out and put together – until say, right now. Au contraire. Don’t start doing it now. Cashman can’t play the games, nor can he prevent injuries.
I think the yankees wont have their full team until beginning of July.
They just signed Cashman to a 3 yr deal, probably because they couldn’t find anyone better.
Why would they fire him regardless of what happens this year? Did some great exec become available all of a sudden?
Hal himself admitted he knows nothing about baseball and leans on Cashman to take over the baseball operations.
Where would they go for a GM? Does Hal even know who Billy Beane is? Would he even want to come here?
“Don’t start doing it now. Cashman can’t play the games, nor can he prevent injuries.”
True Trisha, but it is his job to have some sort of contingency plan when the players can’t play the game or get injured. The roster he’s responsible for building doesn’t allow for much of a contingency plan.
There were two guys I lobbied for in the offseason over and over again. Not sexy, stud caliber guys but guys who I thought would be excellent bench players and quality insurance… Ty Wigginton and David Ross. Turns out both would have been very welcome additions and would not have cost much.
Short term calling up PJ Pittiere or Chris Stewart but that’s not an answer for even two weeks. Josh Bard might be a bit better and shouldn’t cost much, but the Yanks might have to decide to part with some decent assets to get someone who can actually help them win, especially is this is a longer term injury.
Biggest waste of talent ever.
$210 doesn’t buy what it used to.
SJ – Boston was absolutely atrocious with RISP last year. In fact they had very, very few come from behind wins for the majority of the season. This year, different story for Boston as they seemingly come back every other game. However, they are a different team away from Fenway (last night notwithstanding).
Did people even consider what happens if A-Rod comes back and isin’t the same hitter or starts out in a deep slump and is hesitating because of the hip or pressing?
“You do know tha Billy Beane was the guy who paved the way for the “Wall St. stock brokers” to come in and run baseball operations, right?”
that’s actually funny. nick in sf’s humor guidance may be paying dividends.
but all kidding aside. i’m as old school as old school gets, but i can see that there is something to the wall street analytical tools that can improve a baseball front office. tampa bay and boston are two places where you see the influence of the wall street data crunchers.
ironically both boston and tampa bay have some very old school coaches and both play aggressive baseball on the field and with emotion. being run by wall street types doesn’t mean on field operations are being done by the wall street people.
in those two operations, they seem to know how to delegate and know what they don’t know.
This is an opportunity for the Yankees to start considering Posada as a DH only. I still can’t believe they are on the hook for another 2 years with this guy. At the time, when he was pressing for a 4th year, they should have taken the same approach the Angels took with Tex and said, sorry. Sure it would have left them with a huge hole to fill but they could have addressed it then rather than plugging through another year with stints on the DL.
So here is the make up of this team.
Tex, Cano, Jeter, Damon, Swish, Melk, Molina, Gardner, Pena – relatively healthy.
Gardner, Berrora can’t hit.
Matsui, Posada – huge money, huge liabilities either because of age, injury or both
ARod, Wang, Nady – DL, expect several weeks for them to get back into their groove.
It just gets more miserable trying to fill out the rest. Makes you realize that on paper this is a great team. On the field, they are a scatter of moving parts each with the same polarization so there is no connection to be made.
Steve B – No one can build a roster to withstand the loss of 3 starters (including the best player in the game), the backup to the best player in baseball, the number 2 starter, the top two 8th inning relievers etc.
The team could be stronger but you cannot plan for every contingency to the contingency,
“Not with RISP. They haven’t hit with any level of consistency in clutch situations for over 2 years.
Its why their overall offensive numbers are useless stats to me.
How do they hit in the clutch? Do they get big hits late against good teams like Boston? No, they don’t.
As far as I’m concerned, until they actually hit when it matters on a more consistent basis, I don’t agree they will hit.
They are what they are until somebody breaks the cycle. As of yet, nobody has.
Hopefully, that changes during the year. Giving me stats of guys who only seem to hit in the first 6 innings of the game doesn’t impress me.”
I don’t care if they hit .100 with RISP. I don’t care if they hit .050 with RISP.
I care about how many runs they score. 6 per game? I’ll take it.
The pitching is the reason they’re not .750 right now, not the offense.
Hey Trisha — what looks good on paper and in hopeful fans’ minds, isn’t always reality. If I gave you or me Cashman’s spending allowance we could have signed CC and Burnett and Tex. However, that also creates holes elsewhere — black holes in the case of the bullpen — that aren’t addressed.
Boston eshews long-term deals and thus far it’s been a very good strategy for them.
86:
Agree on Ross. Don’t think Wigginton would have taken a deal from the Yankees because the at bats would not be there for him barring injury.
There’s a catcher we can get easy.
If Brian Schneider is ready to return soon, the Mets will give up Ramon Castro and his 2.5 million dollar salary in a NY minute since they are very down on him since he doesn’t want to play everyday and appears to love the nightlife and like to boogie.
As far as a catcher who can hit and wouldn’t need to play every day he’s an idea.
Not a great idea, but he hits a little.
That’s the type of deal Cashman will ultimately make…taking someone else’s problem and salary and the Yankees giving up next to nothing.
If you were Omar would you take Veras for Castro?
I would. Knowing Veras’ potential I’d almost call that deal a win for the Mutts.
Molina calls a better game then Posada, so this might actually help out the starting rotation, the Yankees biggest asset.
Of course, we lose Posada’s bat, but Alex is coming soon..
Can someone explain to me why everyone of the Yankee starters consistently walk people and throw 100+ pitches in 5 or 6 innings… ALL OF THEM
You shouldn’t need to score 7 runs to win a ball game
How about this great pitching staff of ours step up? Or this bullpen decide to have a 1-2-3 inning for a change?
How about Crash Davis? Good power, can handle young starters, won’t cost a lot.
w/ the Yanks losing another good bat, it’s time for CC Sabathia to start earning his Pinstripes and not laboring through every start, pitching really needs to step up now
Thanks Bill from NJ – Free at last!
You should care about whether or not they hit with RISP because its an important part of the game.
Everybody talks about the Mets bullpen last year letting them down. You know what killed them just as much or more?
They scored fewer runs than anybody in baseball from the 7th inning on. That hurt finishing games as much as the lack of a bullpen does.
You know who scored the third fewest runs in baseball from the 7th inning on? The Yankees.
If you don’t score late, you make life awfully tough for yourselves to be a playoff team.
Trisha,
The issue isn’t the team that comes out of ST. Its having the kind of contingencies a big market team like the Yankees can afford to have because of their wealth.
When your only two catchers are one coming off major surgery and a career backup who has one of the lowest career BA and Sl Pct% of any current player in the game, you don’t fortify that position with Kevin Cash.
I’m sorry, you don’t.
You also don’t carry 13 pitchers when your bench is short a bat. Especially with Arod out and the team having so much trouble scoring in the late innings.
That’s the job of the GM. Its not of the manager.
Now, he’s got to be in scramble mode again. If he isn’t, and just keeps the status quo, we are better off talking about 2010 than 2009.
Just not the way to run a billion dollar company, IMO.
we have too many players looking to walk. everyone just takes hittable pitches and sits there.
A) that makes it SO boring, creates no excitement
B) if you’re an rbi man, do that, GET RBIs, not BB
C) learn wat sac flys are
5IFF:
I hear you to a degree. The 8th inning guy thing? That’s an issue. But all we’ve said/heard over the past several months is how deep the Yankees are in that regard. To a degree, this appears to be true as Melancon and Coke look like they will be legit contributors. Otherwise, I think the fandom is guilty of overrating some of the arms. With regard to the catcher, my only issue is that you’d have to think between his age and last year’s shoulder surgery, Posada was bound to miss a significant stretch at some point. With that in mind, having a guy like Zaun, who is a guy you can live with in your lineup for month long intervals may have made some sense.
Hindsight and all that I guess, but I’m troubled by the idea they have to jump thru roster hoops just to get a reasonably decent bat on the bench.
Posada and Wang are out.
2008 redux.
Only, instead of Darrell Rasner and Sidney Ponson filling the holes, the Yanks have CC & A.J. (not to mention a healthy Phil Hughes).
It’s all about pitching; always has been, and always will be.
As the starters go, so the Yankees will go. 2009’s rotation is markedly better than 2008. The results will be better.
SJ, you didn’t see any of this coming, so don’t act like you knew it all along. It’s annoying. You were glowing about this team late in the spring. You said things have changed, blah, blah, blah. Now they’re 13-12 and everything is broken and you’re jumping off the bridge.
Folks, let’s also be realistic about the starters — especially the young ones. How many innings can we reasonable expect from Joba tonight? 6 max? Given his lack of economy, could be more like 5, even if he’s pitching well.
Teams will just work the Yankee starters to the bone, because they know that the living is easy once the starters are gone.
“Lots of e-mails today from fans who were part of a ruckus outside the Stadium”
Could you describe the ruckus?
Steve B — you may be right on Wigginton, or he may have wanted to play on a winner for the first time and have a very good chance at post season play. the money would not have been an issue. If you sign him you go ahead and take whatever the best offer for Nady was and that might have turned out pretty well too. Remember when they were shopping Nady it looked like there could be quite a number of AB for a guy who coupopld play 1B, 3B, 2B, LF and DH.
G.Love — IF Posada is out for quite a while then Ramon Castr might be the best option, but I don’t think the Yanks want to eat the $ 2.1 Million different between the contracts of him and Veras.
Good thing they have 24 pitchers (18 RHP) on the 40-man roster.
“I don’t care if they hit .100 with RISP. I don’t care if they hit .050 with RISP.
I care about how many runs they score. 6 per game? I’ll take it.
The pitching is the reason they’re not .750 right now, not the offense.”
This is so on the money. The Yankees are what, 2nd in the league in runs scored and worst ERA, until the pitching matches the hitting you are going to see lots of inconsistency.
This is the grittiest team we’ve had in years, hang on tight it’s going to get better as the months roll on. There are corrections needed, Posada going down is a blow for sure but hopefully it’s nothing long term.
Total public relations disaster.
Why would they not let people back in? After all, they were paying customers.
Do the Yankees not have screens around the whole f’in stadium? Put up a game status. “Holding pattern” or something to indicate that the game is in a rain delay.
They probably do that, right?
Jorge? Yikes. Tough call. If he already had a hammy issue, no surprise that it grabbed if he wasn’t 100% healed. Weather and conditions not withstanding. He was back into action, too soon. And we all knew that, but we all wanted him in there so badly.
“Not with RISP. They haven’t hit with any level of consistency in clutch situations for over 2 years.
Its why their overall offensive numbers are useless stats to me.
How do they hit in the clutch? Do they get big hits late against good teams like Boston? No, they don’t.
As far as I’m concerned, until they actually hit when it matters on a more consistent basis, I don’t agree they will hit.
They are what they are until somebody breaks the cycle. As of yet, nobody has.
Hopefully, that changes during the year. Giving me stats of guys who only seem to hit in the first 6 innings of the game doesn’t impress me.”
Runs are runs. It doesn’t matter if you score them in the first inning or the 10th inning. If you score more runs than the other team, you win. The fact that the Yankees have scored as many runs as they have while hitting so poorly with RISP just shows that they have upside to do better.
Jason Bay with RISP
2008 – .241
2007 – .260
2006 – .242
He comes to Boston and becomes this big game clutch performer.
Teixeria with RISP
2008 – .308
2007 – .405
2006 – .295
He comes here and has turned into a pumpkin.
You all need to back away from the cliff. It’s May 5th. The numbers for Sabathia, AJ, and Tex will be there at the end of the season barring injury. If you told me about all of these injuries and slow starts at the beginning of April, I would have taken our current record in a heartbeat.
I’m not saying I did. But, that’s where we are right now.
So, they have two options. Do nothing and hope for the best or make changes.
I think they need to be proactive and it needs to be done now.
The division is too tough and they aren’t good enough to give too many games up early in the year.
Stuff happens during a season. The teams that make the adjustments the fastest usually prevail.
That’s all I’m saying.
25 games in or not, this team is in trouble right now. Everybody that even knows a little about baseball can see that.
We can disagree about how to fix it. But to say they don’t need to do anything? Sorry, I don’t agree with that thinking.
“PJ is better anyway and should be the one in AAA.”
It just about took a search warrant for him to get on the AAA roster. They stole eight bases against him, granted two were on the same play. He is no where close to being ready. I read that CJ thought Cash was somewhat close to being activated but still a little ways away.
“Lots of e-mails today from fans who were part of a ruckus …
Some people were arrested and from I understand, it was very tense.”
Just another day Under O’Neills Banner!
Time for Commissioner Gordon to go to the Batphone. We need Sal Fasano!
why trade when we have a possibly compitent catcher in AAA. Sometimes the answer is already in the system.
Youkilis is 30. I wouldn’t call him “young” necessarily. Who are the pups in the Sox lineup outside of Pedroia Ellsbury?
SJ: Despite last years RISP numbers, IIRC, according to the media guide they led the league with two outs and RISP.
It’s not a Yankee problem, it’s a league wide problem.
Which then makes you wonder if it’s really a problem or simply pitchers knowing how to pitch with men on base.
“Teams will just work the Yankee starters to the bone, because they know that the living is easy once the starters are gone.”
Bingo. That’s going to be the calling card for other teams… work the pitcher, never swing at the 1st pitch even if you get a hittable pitch, and make the starter leave early to get to the terrible bullpen.
the red sox starters ERA is nothing to brag about either….fact is they HIT when it matters. THEY DONT just stand there looking to walk, and they don’t K. get the BAT ON THE BALL
I’d love to be involved in any ruckus that grew so quickly that it ensnared Papelbon. I’d then like to ensure any future river dances for him were done so against strict doctor’s orders.
“We need Sal Fasano!”
great stache
It’s not fair to say SJ (and me among others) didn’t see this coming. In the off-season we often discussed the need to add a catcher, to clear some of the marginal RHP off the 40-man roster and improve the bench.
I don’t blame Cashman for Nady being hurt, but he gets a big demerit for not signing David Ross or Pudge or someone for C insurance. and the 40-man roster problems have still not been addressed and in my opinion is the biggest single problem with the Yankees at the moment.
The simply have to make decisions about the RHP on the 40-man as far as who they won’t deal and try moving the others for comperable talent in other areas so roster flexibility can be attained.
That’s not tough to do. They started it with the Marte’/Nady trade, but haven’t followed up.
Fasano has a 70s porn star face, without the porn star body of course
Has anyone seen this…absolutely nuts
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....ml?eref=T1
What’s killing me is that we should’ve won 3 of the 4 against Boston (Andy’s loss was the least winnable). We can get to these guys.
We didn’t win last night, but Papelbon’s arm got abused.
“weeks or months”
come on, Pete. unless his hamstring was torn, tossing the term ‘months’ out there is tantamount to fear-mongering.
yes, hammy issues can linger, but don’t confuse a strain w/a tear.
“Youkilis is 30. I wouldn’t call him “young” necessarily. Who are the pups in the Sox lineup outside of Pedroia Ellsbury?”
Right on Trevor. The Red Sox are pretty much the same age as the Yankees are on average. Francessa’s argument should be they are getting more bang for the buck than the Yankees moreso than the Red Sox are raising players from a pup.
“How about Crash Davis? Good power, can handle young starters, won’t cost a lot.”
Yeah, but he has been known to tip pitches.
“Do the Yankees not have screens around the whole f’in stadium? Put up a game status. “Holding pattern” or something to indicate that the game is in a rain delay.”
I was at the game last night. I heard nothing for two hours about whether the game was going to be played.
There is an enormous screen in CF, and monitors everywhere you look. Why can’t the Yanks post things along the lines of, “it’s raining now but the forecast shows a possible window in 2 hours”, or “we will revisit the rain delay decision in 30 minutes and update you on the weather forecast then”.
Something to give the actual in-the-park ticket-purchasing fan some insight into what the Yanks intended to do.
“THEY DONT just stand there looking to walk, and they don’t K. get the BAT ON THE BALL”
The Red Sox lead the league in walks.
Only three AL teams have struck out more often.
The Yankees are fourth in walks. Eight teams have struck out more often.
papelbon came in against the yankees for a 5 out save with a 2 run lead and got the job done.
mariano came in against the red sox with a 4 out save with a 2 run lead and blew the save.
that is the difference between the red sox and yankees. they’ve gotten the job done this season, yankees haven’t.
“25 games in or not, this team is in trouble right now. Everybody that even knows a little about baseball can see that.”
i think there is as much blog consensus as we ever get on this point that the yankees are in trouble. posada going on the disabled list is a tipping point.
that said, a good game by joba tonight and people in general won’t be so inclined to look at the problems that are stirred up right now. the problems are not going to go away.
i’ve said for a while that this team is a win one lose one team for the near future. if somehow they can win some key games to stay above .500 and get in the vicinity of the .550 range they will give themselves a chance to come together later in the season.
Welcome to old age Posada, when a catcher is having hamstring injuries that isn’t good, that should be the strongest part of his body by the nature of the job. Something has got to be real bad for a catcher to have a bad hammy.
Reality is slapping us clear in the face, this team is old, mediocre and poorly run, what else do we need to see to figure it out.
I can also argue that since this team seems to come up lame injurywise every year, how do you not plan for it?
Either way, it’s here and now they have to act.
Hopefully they will or there are going to be a lot of empty seats this summer.
Tom K, i’m talking about with RISP, mainly 2 outs
That’s a stretch to say that PJ would be a competent catcher in the majors. The Yankees realized that they would need catching depth so that is why the working on developing not only Jesus but Romine, Higashioka, and Weems. They are looooong way away though.
It all depends on one’s perspective. For example, “it’s only early May.” Rational people can view that two ways.
Reality is slapping us clear in the face, this team is old, mediocre and poorly run, what else do we need to see to figure it out.
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What are you talking about?
Nady isnt even 30, A-Rod’s hip couldnt be predicted, Wang is under 30… What exactly would you do differently?
“Hopefully they will or there are going to be a lot of empty seats this summer.”
Part of me wishes all the fair weather fans would just go away for awhile.
“Has anyone seen this…absolutely nuts”
Why is it so nuts? Under the criteria he provides at the start of the article it’s not that bad a list. Yea it’s tough to see Mo only 4th, but think about how much is gonna actually seperate these 4 guys-hell I think anyone would take any of the top 5 guys, they are all so close to each other.
So lets see that is
Arod
Posada
Bruney
Ransom
Marte
Nady
Chien-Ming Wang
Well jeez and we thought last year was bad, this year is shaping up to be even worse. Freaking team is old and jinxed since 2004 vs the Red Skunks.
It seems to me that their is a general lack of catching talent out there. If Tek were to go on the DL, the Sox would be in the same position as the Yankees are without Posada. They have no depth either.
It might be time to give up some pitching talent and start talking with Texas. The Yankees will take it on the chin, but I don’t know if they have a choice. They cannot afford to fail to make the postseason this year with the new Stadium and $200 million on the line.
86w -
Why would Pudge want to sign on as the #3 catcher? Why would any major leaguer sign on to be a #3 catcher? It’s not exactly a job that comes with guarantees. To be exact, it is a job that comes with very little hope….you need someone to get hurt in Spring Training to even be considered for the big club.
All teams that don’t have an advanced catching prospect have Chris Stewart’s and Kevin Cash’s hanging out at AAA. Catching is scarce – demand of good ones far exceeds the supply.
Now, if you want to criticize, perhaps you can criticize giving Molina a two-year contract after the 2007 season, which handcuffs the team a bit if they want to find something better.
SJ,
You must really care about this team. You’re all over the map. I hate to see the transaction log for your minor league team.
Have faith, they’ll be okay.
Doesn’t it seem that the entire organization from, top to bottom, this year is completely unorganized.
For all those clamoring about the Yanks failure to develop players – perhaps you should take note that 5 of the top 15 2009 BA prospects are now on the active roster.
“Reality is slapping us clear in the face, this team is old, mediocre and poorly run, what else do we need to see to figure it out.”
Actually the Yanks are only the 17th oldest team on starting day (28), compared to the Sox at 26th (28.6)
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/rosters
The panic is amazing.
Toronto 18 10
Boston 16 10
Yankees 13 12
They’re 2 games out in the loss col. Their best player has not played yet, their big hitting acquisition has not started to hit and their pitching has not hit its stride (plus their #2 starter is on the DL). Are there problems? Sure but the season is over????
Anyone listen to Jason Whitlock this morning on the Dan Patrick show? Jason makes some excellent points about the new A-Rod Book and the author Selena Roberts, in regards to attributing anoyonmous sources.
We should let CC hit and DH for Molina those nights…only slightly kidding
Yanks should have traded for inge when AROD initially went down. He plays an excellent 3B(awesome), can catch(backup posada/molina), can play OF(even more depth). Hes the perfect utility guy
“Yanks should have traded for inge when AROD initially went down.”
What makes you think the Tigers would have moved him?
” Welcome to old age Posada, when a catcher is having hamstring injuries that isn’t good, that should be the strongest part of his body by the nature of the job. Something has got to be real bad for a catcher to have a bad hammy.”
i think it’s the quads in front of the leg that get a catcher up out of a crouch. i think the hammy is a problem with running. i don’t remember not being able to crouch as a catcher when i had hamstring problems.
that said, a catcher does a surprising amount of of running backing up first. it’s not going to happen with a bad hamstring.
Reminds me some of the nonsense that went down at last year’s final home game. That was so poorly mismanaged that I was convinced there was going to be problems. People were very upset when it became obvious the vast majority of fans were not going to make it onto the field like was advertised. Tensions between security and stadium employees were high.
They have some serious event management issues.
SJ i am not agreeing with most of what you are saying,. In trouble….
get a grip.
new 3B on friday the the lineup improves.
Yeah if CC and AJ suck all season they are in trouble but I do not expect that to happen. The pen needs to be rpiority 1, weed out the non contributors quickly……
3rd best offense in baseball and all I hear bout is the offensive problems… they have been playing with ransom, pena, and berroa at 3rd base!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Tex’s friend (Best starting 5 in the majors)
Reality is slapping us clear in the face, this team is old, mediocre and poorly run, what else do we need to see to figure it out.
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What are you talking about?
Nady isnt even 30, A-Rod’s hip couldnt be predicted, Wang is under 30… What exactly would you do differently?”
Well Tex’s firend best starting 5 in the majors, yeah that rotation is going real well by the way. I would stop giving out those ridiculous arse contracts that ties the teams hands for years ala Giambi, who was a few years past his prime when his contract finished last year, farm, farm, farm. The Yankees farm system has got to produce position players that can play in the up the middle positions.
Look at our current CF, look at our starting catcher (out with a hammy injury, coming off of major shoulder surgery and is old), look at our starting shortstop, who is approaching the other side of 30 and has the arm of a schoolgirl when he has to rush a throw.
So lets see that is
Arod
Posada
Bruney
Ransom
Marte
Nady
Chien-Ming Wang
Well jeez and we thought last year was bad, this year is shaping up to be even worse. Freaking team is old and jinxed since 2004 vs the Red Skunks
This argument is so stupid. Old? Most people on that list are in their mid 20s. Alex is 32. Age is not the issue.
Steve, his value was pretty damn low earlier in the year. His contract should be up in a year too i think
yea trade for Inge a $7 mill a yr utility guy. who is off to a fast start and has a under 330 carerr OBP.
I forgot fatcessa likes him so he must be good!!!!!!!!!!!!
get a grip fools…………
3.5 out with 137 to play panic time….
pathetic…..
I think we should let Sabathia hit, but running he will probably trip and end upon the DL.
“Yanks should have traded for inge”
The Tigers got a new player this year when they said Inge would play 3B only. The super utility qualities of guys like him and Chone Figgins hurt their offense. Inge was always more comfortable when he knew where he would be playing. He’s a fan fav in Detroit and he wasn’t going anywhere.
Are you happy Cashman didn’t trade Cano last year? How about getting rid of Bruney?
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What teams allow re-admission? 5 people could go in, 1 person takes the stubs outside and brings in 4 additional people.
You know what the guys from Monty Python had to say, “Always look on the bright side of life.”
Both Wang and Posada are not currently putting any undo strain on their shoulders, so that’s a good thing. Wang’s shoulder has been problematic for a few years, and Posada’s shoulder issues are well-documented (they date back to his days in the minors when a collision at the plate left him injured).
As the months grind along, we’ll be thankful to have them added back to the roster fresh for the final push.
I’ll leave out the “Life’s a piece of…” line since it would violate the conditions of the site and the spirit of my argument.
can shelly duncan play catcher?
stuart, u act like money is a problem. Inge is one of the best utility guys out there by far
Cal i agree we need more position player development, but Jeter. I think pena can be a good replacement when Jeter has to move to LF. There are a few in the minors but i agree we need more position development other than 1b, c and cf.
Wow, the “sky-is-falling” posts are usually found on the game threads.
Ace
May 5th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
papelbon came in against the yankees for a 5 out save with a 2 run lead and got the job done.
mariano came in against the red sox with a 4 out save with a 2 run lead and blew the save.
that is the difference between the red sox and yankees. they’ve gotten the job done this season, yankees haven’t.
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Also when Bay came up in big situation he hit a Mo mistake for HR. When Tex came up in big situation he swung at 3 bad pitches. Of the 5 pitches to Tex only 1 was a borderline strike and that was the last one he swung at. Tex took too many good strikes earlier in the game despite his 2 HR’s.
“come on, Pete. unless his hamstring was torn, tossing the term ‘months’ out there is tantamount to fear-mongering.
yes, hammy issues can linger, but don’t confuse a strain w/a tear. ”
A strain is the same thing as a tear.
Posada has a torn hamstring, there is no doubt of that. The amount of time he’s out depends on the severity of the tear.
CB, SJ44, et all,
Interesting conversation about the fundamental problems the Yankees are encountering. As I said earlier in the day, the biggest problem the Yankees have is team age. These kind of injuries will keep happening until the core of the team is replaced with younger players.
Just look at the Red Sox. They don’t sign players to gigantic contracts and they aren’t afraid to develop young players or trade for youth. That is basically what Cashman preached all offseason but he really hasn’t followed that up with action.
“3rd best offense in baseball and all I hear bout is the offensive problems… they have been playing with ransom, pena, and berroa at 3rd base!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
You do realize this team tends to score runs in all or nothing bunches right, they’ll score, 5,6 runs in one inning then nothing for the rest of the game and when one guy hits they all hit in bunches and when they struggle they all struggle together. They don’t scatter the runs and hit consistently, its feast or famine offense.
joe
May 5th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
can shelly duncan play catcher?
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I heard he can in an emergency and if that is true then he should be on the roster as a 3rd catcher and a PH late in games.
the hysteria on this site is humorous..
tex will hot 190 this year, even though he is 28 and a career 290 hitter.
Cc at 28 will add over 1 run per game to his ERA.. Joba will loss 5 MPH off his fastball at age 23, etc. etc. etc.
relax….Posada will miss 20 games that hurts but it happens.. yea Cashmans fault, but Theo has a catcher the same age, who cannot hit, but his signing was brilliant. thay also have a 42 yr old starter, a 40+ yr old starter on the DL coming back from major shoulder surgery, and a fat ex stud who stunk for tha last 18 months but all those moves have no risk……………..
get a life……….
“can shelly duncan play catcher?”
Not much evidence he can play anything.
pat-
I don’t think it takes a genius to come up with a workable re-entry system. How much money or thought does it take to get some hand stamps and a couple of ultraviolet lights? Not exactly inventing the wheel.
“We need Sal Fasano!”
that’s not the craziest thing because he was instrumental in wang’s development and conversion to a sinker ball pitcher. he’d be another set of eyes in the organization as far as wang goes.
you be surprised how much knowledge reside in those old catchers. he’s at colorado springs(rockies) at triple a if i remember right. plus he can’t pull any muscles with that body.
it wouldn’t help the offense at all, but he still catch.
its pathetic how nick green can step up for the sox yet not even the starters on the yankees can step up
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So true. You guys all know that if CC and Tex were on the Red Sox, CC would be 6-0 and Tex would be hitting .400 with 10 HRs.
pat,
I understand that. But this was a game whose status was pending for hours. I think they could’ve taken care of this without people getting arrrested.
Last night would’ve been an exception with the long delay.
Stuart – come on! Join the crowd on the ledge. All hope is lost. CC has forgotten how to pitch; Tex has forgotten how to hit; Posada will be on the DL for 400 days; plagues of locusts and raining frogs are forecast for the Bronx for the whole summer. The AL pennant will be presented to the Red Sox tomorrow at noon.
“come on, Pete. unless his hamstring was torn, tossing the term ‘months’ out there is tantamount to fear-mongering.”
Pete using the term months doesn’t help the doom and gloom sentiment either. If Posada is out for months the Yankees would need to somehow trade for a catcher, because they wouldn’t be waiting for him to return after months out, hell that could be August, September should it be months.
Paulie
May 5th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Anyone listen to Jason Whitlock this morning on the Dan Patrick show? Jason makes some excellent points about the new A-Rod Book and the author Selena Roberts, in regards to attributing anoyonmous sources.
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didn’t listen. but i did read this yesterday:
http://www.kansascity.com/spor.....75681.html
“Wow, the “sky-is-falling” posts are usually found on the game threads.”
Not all posts on how the team is lacking production and has many holes unnecessarily mean it is a doomsday post. There are just so many idiots that view this league through their Yankee Blinders and its simply unrealistic.
Patrick-
The Red Sox don’t have a $210MM payroll or debt service for a $1.5B stadium. The Yanks can’t afford not to win, so they pay for security (that is to say, the best players available). That means long, expensive contracts in this market.
The Red Sox want to win too, of course, but I think they believe they can take a few more chances.
Dr. Cox – you’re right, of course. But this thread has more than it’s share of bridge-jumpers for May 5th. That’s all I’m saying.
“As I said earlier in the day, the biggest problem the Yankees have is team age. These kind of injuries will keep happening until the core of the team is replaced with younger players.
Just look at the Red Sox. They don’t sign players to gigantic contracts and they aren’t afraid to develop young players or trade for youth”
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/rosters
there are only 4 teams older than the red sox.
it’s not just as simple as age.
“So true. You guys all know that if CC and Tex were on the Red Sox, CC would be 6-0 and Tex would be hitting .400 with 10 HRs.”
The sad reality is its not far fetched, that is why I stated give A.J. Burnett a 6-0 lead against the Red Sox in Fenway Park and let him be still pitching for the Blue Jays he would have won that game, he comes to the Yankees and voila the Red Sox can all of a sudden hit a guy they could never beat. How do you figure this out. It just doesn’t make sense.
“Just look at the Red Sox. They don’t sign players to gigantic contracts and they aren’t afraid to develop young players or trade for youth. That is basically what Cashman preached all offseason but he really hasn’t followed that up with action”
In fairness, they were going to give Teixeira about the same contract the Yankees did. To their credit, they didn’t chase after failing to get him, something I’m not so sure would be true of the Yankees (I’m thinking Matuszaka/Igawa as an example).
The problem with the team is that as of right now the pitching staff is TERRIBLE.
The Yankees have 9 comeback wins this season I believe so I don’t know about all of that not hitting when it counts stuff.
If the pitching staff turns itself around the team as a whole will look better.
They’ve had 8 quality starts in 25 games. That’s not good. Can’t blame the offense for not being able to come back every night when every night they’re seemingly in a deficit due to bad pitching.
I would like to see the starters pitch 7 innings of 3 runs or less for at least one turn through the rotation. Even without Wang they still have a very good pitching staff on paper.
Will it ever materialize on the field?
I can’t quibble with an offense that has been scoring runs at one of the highest paces in the league. However I can quibble with the starting staff which is just awful right now.
CC and AJ need to start earning their money. They both need to go on a 5 game win streak apiece. Start pitching and the team will look better on a whole and should be able to withstand not having Posada for a few weeks.
look at Inge’s #’s they are not very good, even though he hits the Yanks well they play about 149 other games a year….
the stupid ideas on thsi site are all over the place and so many of them.
Mo do his job in the friday game at Boston, AJ do his game on saturday at Boston the yanks are 15 and 11 and the sux are the same.. The world is not coming to an end. the yanksstole the angel game the other day but there pen has accelrated negative things in at least 5 games this year. If the players jsut do there job near there baseball card the yanks will be fine.
Also the yanks are younger and more athletic then they have been in years.. blame cashman all you want it is BS. pena is like 23, gardner is 25 and can run, coke, melancon, etc are yung..
damon and matsui are gone after this year. nady is 29 that is not old.. they have had poor performance and a innordinate amount of injuries, the cream comes to the top over a long season, relax…
pettitte is 36, jorge 37 and mo 39 those are the old guys. Jeter is 34 and still a elite SS… The old arguement is BS. Is veras old? ramirez? texiera? Sabathia? Gardner? Wang…None of those guys is over 30………..
“What this means is they need to get Montero up here quickly.”
Montero left his game Monday with a leg injury.
No, the real proof that they’re feeding players something illegal in Boston is Nick Green. Nicky Green!!
stuart,
’stupid’, ‘idiot’, ‘moron’ are getting kind of old. How about some new ones? People might take your ideas more seriously.
matsuzaka had some bad outings. the red sox tested him for strength in his arm. they found it lacking so they disabled him against his wishes.
he said he was fine and nothing hurt.
masterson came in and replaced him without disruption to a young player or to the team.
the yankees would not have handled matsuzaka in the same way.
they would have let him go 3-4 bad starts before they would have sent him to someone.
then they would have had to go to their minor league system because they didn’t have a swing man ready to go already on the team just for such emergency starts.
two different approaches
m
May 5th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
No, the real proof that they’re feeding players something illegal in Boston is Nick Green. Nicky Green!!
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M, I liked Nick Green and think it was a mistake letting him get away. He would have been a perfect swing player for us this year. He can hit.
The posts on this sight get worse and worse every day.
I’m so furious at Cashman right now.
Injuries happen, that’s a part of the game.
BUT, this is one that should have been much better prepared for. He saw last year what losing Jorge did to the team. Cashman deserves alot of heat for this.
I’m just disgusted right now.
About all the injuries.
The organization really need to understand how and why the team is manifesting this.
Injuries and illnesses are not accidents they are not coincidences. They don’t just happen. We manifest everything we experience in life. This goes for the Yankees too.
The Yankees have created an environment that is conducive to this kind of thing. It is based on pressure, expectation, attachment to win. Obsession.
It affects the mind of the players, which affects their energy, which affects their bodies.
I am on this blog everyday for an hour or so, when I share stuff like this ppl ignore me. I don’t care.
The organization needs to understand that the problems go very deep. Their obsession to win is the direct cause.
Its the hitting coach, his philosophy is terrible, he should of been fired last year, how do we have such a bad hitting coach. They don’t know to just do the little things always looking for the homers.
So are we all in agreement then that they should cancel the rest of the season since the Yanks are doomed, finished, have no chance, being 3 games out on May 5? All in favor raise hands!
Please lord let the Blue Jays lose, and we will be 1 back in the loss column, they are down 6-3 in the 7th against the Indians.
This is what I have to do now to keep some hope that the Yanks get through these injuries.
I agree ray. And it only helps that we will see the good defense/play calling of Molina (despite yesterdays gaffe). I will be feeling better once ARod comes back and we can stretch out our offense. Posada is becoming a problem and will be our DH next year.
what is the comeback to the sux having the 4th oldest team in the lague.
let’s look closer at this juggernaut for the ages..
catcher 37 yr old coming off a awfule year.
3B coming off hip surgery and 3 yrs older then arod.
SS that is a pretty site. nick green a career nothing, lugo(30 Errors) and a unproven but talented and hurt Jed Lowrie.
2b the MVP munchkin who is 26 yrs old
1B is Youkilis at 30 2 years older then Tex.
OF bay about 30, ellsbury young and fast but low oBP, and JD drew for the uninformed he has a injury history.
DH big papi(roid boy) may be declining jury is out.
yes there pitching so far has been much better then the yanks but it is not the orioles of palmer, cuellar, mcnally, dobson, etc…
matsuzaka won 18 games last year but look at his #’s they were horrible.
Bottom line Yankee pitching has not be poor it hs been horrible…
BTW if you score your runs in 1 inning or over 5 innings it really is irrelevant all that matters is runs per game………….
“Please lord let the Blue Jays lose, and we will be 1 back in the loss column, they are down 6-3 in the 7th against the Indians.
This is what I have to do now to keep some hope that the Yanks get through these injuries.”
And 5 back in the win column lol
So the Posada to the DL stuff is not on yankees.com or yesnetwork.com – will the actual “announcement” be with the pre-game stuff in the next hour or so?
I just think it’s weird that it’s not anywhere but wfan…
YankeeRay -
Where has Nick Green hit? Did you see him in Little League or something?
This is off topic a bit, but I went to Amazon to see what the reviews of the Arod book looked like. There are 16 reviews, 7 give 5 stars, 9 give it 1 star, no middle ground whatsoever. A funny illustration in microcosm of just how polarizing our third baseman is.
toronto has 18 games still to play agaisnt the rays, yanks, and sux..
if the jays make the playoffs I will retire from ever caring about baseball again……….
If brian tallet, halladay, purcey and whoever pitch better then the yanks we need to give up on baseball…
Andrew Brackman threw for Charlestown again today. 4 innings pitches, 2 hits allowed, 3 runs (1 earned) 3 BB’s, 3 K’s, 1 hit batter and 3 wild pitches.
I’ve never seen such a poor allocation of $210 million in my entire life.
Another up-hill battle of a season. This garbage is getting old.
The Yankees always bragged about having great business sense and treating it like a business, putting the best product on the field and re-investing in it, unlike many other teams.
Well, as we have seen in the economy, out short-sightedness gets us into mounds and mounds of trouble.
Consider last year and this, and maybe next, as a recession for the Yankees, where our bad baseball sense is now haunting us.
I can’t wait for the recession of 2011, when EVERYONE is old.
Not to bring up this argument, but, if this garbage continues, I wouldn’t care if the org. tells Jeter not to let the door hit him on the way out.
If we give the most athletic position in the game to DJ @ 36 years old, we are asking to fail.
This team sickens me right now, and, it’s not just the guys on the field either.
When you depend on 37 year olds, this is what happens. Especially at the physically demanding position of catcher. Posada was babied this year, and still he’s hurt by early May. And coming off major surgery anyway… this is what happens with older players.
This team’s core is old. Mo is 39, Jeter 35. Pettitte, Posada, Damon, even A-Rod. All getting into their twilight years. Not the players they once were.
The Red Sox are built differently. They draft and sign gritty hard nosed guys like Pedroia, Youklis, etc. Players with chips on their shoulders who kill to win. Not half hearted going thru the motions, as long as it looks good nonchalant guys like Robinson Cano. If you lose, well at least you tried. Oh well.
Sox are better in every facet. Speed, defense, power, bench, manager, front office. Chemistry, desire, heart. All of it.
Sorry but the truth hurts sometimes. Cashman has got to go.
“About all the injuries.
The organization really need to understand how and why the team is manifesting this.
Injuries and illnesses are not accidents they are not coincidences. They don’t just happen. We manifest everything we experience in life. This goes for the Yankees too.
The Yankees have created an environment that is conducive to this kind of thing. It is based on pressure, expectation, attachment to win. Obsession.
It affects the mind of the players, which affects their energy, which affects their bodies.
I am on this blog everyday for an hour or so, when I share stuff like this ppl ignore me. I don’t care.
The organization needs to understand that the problems go very deep. Their obsession to win is the direct cause.”
The problem with that Richard is why didn’t the pressure affect Tino Martinez, Scott Brosius, Paul O’Neil and all these veteran guys all the way back to Fielder, Hayes, Strawberry, all these guys contributed to a “TEAM” concept that brought success on the backbone of quality pitching, something we thought we would be getting this season from Sabathia, Wang, Burnett, Pettitte, Chamberlain. Now Wang has gone nuts, Sabathia has been mediocre, Burnett started off hot but has slowed down, Andy is going to be Andy, lots of hits, win some lose some.
Pressure is what one makes of it, if guys step up for each other and play as a TEAM unified then that pressure becomes moot. Its when guys are sitting around waiting for the other guy to come through that pressure becomes a factor.
Face it. Cashman is reactionary. Instead of planning ahead , which he is incapable of doing, managing this team as if it were a rotissirie team, why don’t we have a catcher ready? All the years he played lackey to George’s whims are what we are seeing now. This job is too important to him. His rabbi is gone. Where does that leave this team? Rudderless. Surprise. Surprise.
“The posts on this sight get worse and worse every day.”
not to mention the spelling
Rishi I’m sure it’s a case of the team not officially announcing it until they have their information together, in terms of a tentative timetable for Posada’s absence as well as the corresponding roster move for him going on the DL.
Stuart
While looking at the thesaurus look at a dictionary under the words “than” as opposed to “then” and “their” as opposed to “there”
slickster
youk ova tex any day
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Unfortunately, your own organization doesn’t agree with you on that one.
“I understand that. But this was a game whose status was pending for hours. I think they could’ve taken care of this without people getting arrested.”
I guess the Yankees just went around arresting innocent fans.
Maybe people should have read their tickets an realized that if they left they would not be able to get back in. But that would have put the burden on them. That would never do.
Well Cashamn, it’s time to call Anahiem, the Angels are deep with catchers….Maybe they can pry someone away….Forget about Napoli though…..Consider all the injuries and spotty play, they’re right there in the standings…However it’s alarming though….Lots of leaks to plug…..
since the sux offense is so much better then the yanks why have they scored 1 more run then the yanks in 1 more game???
If speed, situation hitting power are all obviously in the sux favor why have they scored less runs per game then the yanks???
That is what I like about this site, never let the facts get in the way of your delusions.. again with the old nonsense.. nady is 29, arod is 32 and much younger then Lowell, posada and varitek are the same age and if you think the sux backup catcher is the next yogi berra you are delusional.
most of the posts are non factual, feeling based, and innacurate….
The braintrust that runs this team should get together and decide on baseball issues. But really who would that be? A bunch of suits who couldn’t even build a stadium correctly, forgetting who their real fans are. They deserve this type of product and I hope they lose money somehow because that’s ALL they care about anyway. Hit em where it hurts.
How about Teargarden or Saltalamacchia…we have some arms. Jeez, this team is a mess, once again.
“Well Cashamn, it’s time to call Anahiem, the Angels are deep with catchers….Maybe they can pry someone away….Forget about Napoli though…..Consider all the injuries and spotty play, they’re right there in the standings…However it’s alarming though….Lots of leaks to plug…..”
Robertson, Vera$$, Kennedy and Igawa for Napoli, hey they need bullpen and rotation help right.
Sorry forgot not too many dopey GM’s out there ala Cashman.
Losing Posada is a pretty big blow, hope he’s out for a few weeks.
The rash of injuries is just staggering, for the past 3 – 4 years it just seems that important players are just going down with everything imaginable
Attn Yankee Starting Rotation:
Your mojos have arrived and are ready to be put to good use.
What’s the weather like in NY today?
“since the sux offense is so much better then the yanks why have they scored 1 more run then the yanks in 1 more game???
If speed, situation hitting power are all obviously in the sux favor why have they scored less runs per game then the yanks???
That is what I like about this site, never let the facts get in the way of your delusions.. again with the old nonsense.. nady is 29, arod is 32 and much younger then Lowell, posada and varitek are the same age and if you think the sux backup catcher is the next yogi berra you are delusional.
most of the posts are non factual, feeling based, and innacurate….”
So you would then agree that Arod returning will not be of much help, because our bullpen stinks to high heaven and the starters are mediocre right now.
With George out of the picture, could they even get it together to get a real GM and possibly LaRussa for next year? For all his bonehead moves, George, at least reacted to situations. All these suits will react to are empty seats.
Oh great Indians are about to blow the 6-3 lead they had in the 7th in Toronto, now 6-5 in the bottom of the 7th, son of a.
A-rod will be 34 this july he is not 32
ellen
May 5th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Dr. Cox – you’re right, of course. But this thread has more than it’s share of bridge-jumpers for May 5th. That’s all I’m saying.
Actually Dr. Cox is spot on. I have been following the previous thread and this thread. Except for the few trolls that show up and type stuff that is completely off the wall, the main subject has been the Yankees organization, their slow response to addressing the teams needs, and the overall lack of development in the farm system.
But, you add in the comments by the trolls and then certain people respond as they do during games with valid statements like “idiots”, “stupid”, “cesspool” etc and then it consumes the site. Whether these are imposters or not, if you are a regular on the site you know who is real and who is not.
It is unfortunate that during the discourse the best response is “then why watch the game”, “loser yankee fan”, “panic on here by idiots rofl”, etc plague the site. But irony is that those responses are the very responses that the agitators are looking for, so for those who constantly make those comments, congratulations you have been defeated by a true idiot who has had years of practice and is oblivious to your insults. You have sunk to their level. Priceless.
it’s grey and gross out here today
“Maybe people should have read their tickets an realized that if they left they would not be able to get back in. But that would have put the burden on them. That would never do.”
If you happen to have a ticket right now to a future game, turn it over and look at the back of it.
Go ahead, start reading it. I dare you. Did you bring your reading glasses or a magnifying glass?
Now, imagine reading that on the upper deck concourse last night. Sure, we all do that before we leave the park when the game’s rained out.
I didn’t leave last night, nor did most people. But I can easily see how a number of people did.
“most of the posts are non factual, feeling based, and innacurate….” that can’t be right Stuart, the idiot on the FAN said those things they must be right.
TimStoddardOwnsYou
May 5th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
“How about Teargarden or Saltalamacchia…we have some arms. Jeez, this team is a mess, once again.”
This last off season while Varitek was a free agent Boston had a number of conversations with Texas about their catchers.
Back then they wanted a LOT for any of their catchers. I don’t this has changed especially with the Yankees perhaps being in a tight spot for more catchers.
Wouldn’t be a bit surprised if Texas asked for Hughes or other people of that caliber from you guys.
brand new ballgame in toronto
It’s all about the quick fix with Cashman. Give him credit, he keeps trying to plug in the missing links. Too bad it doesn;t work out for him. It’s not a fantasy team. Where are his advisors, his scouts. I know he wanted complete authority, his last wish from George, but where is it getting us. Hopefully his reign will end soon. There are no quick fixes. It takes time to build, esp. from within. Well forget about that.
You know what’s grey and gross? The Cleveland relievers in Toronto.
3 runs in, they’re moving on to their 4th reliever of the inning.
wave and m
I don’t disagree that they could have a system in place but they don’t and I haven’t seen a ticket from this season but no re-admission used to be writen on the tickets and posted in the stadium in past seasons.
“brand new ballgame in toronto”
Yep 6-6 top 7 1 out, 2 men on for Toronto
This what happens when you give a catcher in his late 30’s a 4 year deal. I can’t wait till Cash gives Captain No range a 4 year deal which includes the right to stay at SS cause Cash is a wimp.
“3 runs in, they’re moving on to their 4th reliever of the inning.”
Hmm, sounds like the Yanks pen on any given day of the week.
and Toronto takes the 9-6 lead
“This what happens when you give a catcher in his late 30’s a 4 year deal. I can’t wait till Cash gives Captain No range a 4 year deal which includes the right to stay at SS cause Cash is a wimp.”
Cashman had no choice with Jorge – that’s not a fair criticism. What catcher would you have signed instead?
Enough of the “stealth” Cash. Why all the mystery? More like you are in hiding. Your days as an intern are numbered.
George can no longer protect you. Go get another big name. I hear Piazza is available.
and the Indians blow it big time toronto up 9 – 6
“and Toronto takes the 9-6 lead”
Oh well so much for that hope of being one back in the loss column of the Jays. A fantastic job by Cleveland’s bullpen, a plethora of bums were coming on down for their whooping.
I guess you all agree with my rant as there is no response.
ray,
If we were at an Irish pub right now, you and I would be crying in our beers.
We could add Toronto to our list of sorrows. 9-6 Toronto now.
“Captain No range”
LOL. Funny as hell.
was at the game last nighth sitting in the grandstand. i went to get another beer in the 3rd inning, and they had stopped selling. so they had like 10 employees behind the food counter, selling nothing and remaining- but they refused to sell beer. – WHY?
Tom K
May 5th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
YankeeRay –
Where has Nick Green hit? Did you see him in Little League or something?
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Tom, he is batting .283 so far this season. Though he is a lifetime .245 hitter, I have seen him have some good at bats and certainly better than Ransom or Berroa for my money as a back up. he had some good at bats as a Yankee. I’d rather have him than Ransom when Arod comes back and Pena needs to go down and play.
i don’t know the timeline, but I learned last time I was there they stop selling beer 2 hours after the game starts or in the 7th inning, whatever comes first
*remaining open
We gave up Dioner Navarro in the trade to get Randy Johnson a few years ago. It really seems that spending tons of money (and also valuable prospects) on free agents is not going to work, and the best way to build a solid club is through the organization’s farm system.
In 1964 the post war Yankee dynasty ended because there were no more good young players coming up. There were no free agent signings then, and the CBS management also would never have spent any money on them in any case. The mini dynasty of the 1990s also crumbled, but Cashman has at least fielded a contender (but not a winner)by spending lavishly on free agents. If second and third place is good enough, then he can continue to do this. If we want a winner, then a new strategy is required.
“GOOD LORD YOU KNOW people are out of there minds when they are biting their nails over a toronto clevland game in the first week of may”
Hey with all the Yanks injuries and inconsistencies you gotta take what you can get, too bad Cleveland wasn’t playing ball with that notion today, Toronto stormed back on them by smacking around their relievers.
if only the pitching would come around it would solve alot of this mess.
game only started at 920………
the toronto game is actually now 10-6…hey, following another game is a better use of time than the 10 hour Cashman sucks discussion
“if only the pitching would come around it would solve alot of this mess.”
I think a lot of folks are waiting for that, the problem is we keep waiting.
pat-
I know the re-entry rules but I’m a long-time Yankee ticket plan holder. A newbie could easily be confused.
Plus, if you thought the game was actually rained out, you might have left even knowing the re-entry rules.
If you haven’t done so, when you get a Yankee ticket, turn it over and take a look at the back. I thought it was pretty funny.
what time was the 3rd inning? that’s what I don’t remember…and they might have another clause like no beer after 11 or something
PETE — What have they done about getting a catcher in uniform tonight? Do you have a guess/suggestion?
some people enjoy the game of baseball, just because someone has a rooting ingterest in the game doesn’t mean they are out of their minds.
So by the end of this day we could be 3.5 or 4.5 out, I don’t like when we approach that 5 out mark in previous seasons the catchup has been arduous to watch.
“Pedroia ova cano, v-tex ova dl posada, bay ova no arm damon, drew ova swish, papi ova matsui, bard bowden buchholz masterson lester ova hughes chamberlain, hell evan green ova dj”
Here’s my version chowdah head: (I won’t use “ova” cause I don’t want to sound like a drunk swordfisherman.
Cano = Pedroia, DL Posada > No-hit VTex, Bay > Damon, Swish > Drew, Matsui >>>> Papi (r u kidding me?), Jeter > Green, Arod > Lowell, Tex = Poukilis.
I’m nervous too, but isn’t it a little early in the season to be watching the scoreboard and figuring out how many games behind we are in the “all-important loss column”, as they say?
m
May 5th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
ray,
“If we were at an Irish pub right now, you and I would be crying in our beers.
We could add Toronto to our list of sorrows. 9-6 Toronto now.”
m, I feel your pain.
As for the basketball world my crystal ball is telling me that the future for this season is still much brighter for your Lakers than the men in green.
Last night’s game will be a wake up call and I think the Lakers will still be in the Finals.
“game only started at 920………”
though, i’m sure all the beer drinkers weren’t sitting around for over 2 hours waiting for first pitch
I was recently reading an old article regarding ticket prices at the new stadium. I came across this quote.
“Look, we can’t lose the next generation of Yankee fan because a father can’t afford to take his kid to a game.”
Lonn Trost – 2008
The comparison to make with Posada if it hasn’t already been stated is to Mike Piazza. Look at what happened to him in the later years of his career with the Mets and in the West coast where he was plagued with injuries.
, for one, am tired of pulling the jumpers back. If they’re feeling froggy, why stop em? Let’s find out what kind of timeframe Jorge’s out and decide what to do from there. If its only a couple weeks, we’ll get by with Molina/Cervelli(or any other minor league catcher they call up). If it’s a month or two though, we’re gonna have to decide if the immediate boost of a trade outweighs the long term boost of having pitching everywhere in the organization.
dan,
You know I was joking, right? First of all I don’t cry. Second I don’t drink beer. A Toronto loss would’ve been nice, nothing more, nothing less.
“yes there pitching so far has been much better then the yanks but it is not the orioles of palmer, cuellar, mcnally, dobson, etc…”
ypu know you are old when you caught mike cuellar in winter ball. someone asked me to catch the old guy who was going to throw bp.
when the lefty starting throwing to me it wasn’t five pitches before i stopped and asked him who he was. i knew he was somebody by about five different pitches all throw with precision.
the best was the screwball. i couldn’t believe how good it was.
You can’t ask molina to catch as many games as he did last year.Yankees must trade.But the question is:will they try to get a catcher just for now or will they try to get a number 1 catcher??
Boston Hitters are getting too comfortable facing our pitchers
Hey better to talk about the standing than dwelling on Cashman, Girardi, injuries, etc. At least its on the field baseball info.
ouch @ my typo.
I, for one…
The Toronto 7th inning:
Ground Out
Single
Single
Walk
Single
Single
Fly Out
Homer
Homer
Ground Out
I’m jealous.
I love how people think in 09′ Ortiz is better than Matsui. How do you make that determination? Matsui is hitting more than .50 higher, more homeruns and similar rbis.
Stats wise, the only big difference in favor of boston is at 1B, and i will not worry about tex.
3b right now but we know alex is better than lowell.
“Boston Hitters are getting too comfortable facing our pitchers”
No, our pitchers just suck lol
Kissed a girl? Yuck.
Ugly Youk and little Midget are hitting us like they r facing little league pitching
new post…game thread
“But the question is:will they try to get a catcher just for now or will they try to get a number 1 catcher??”
Roger, the crucial question I think is who would you be willing to give up for a number 1 catcher?
If you say Kennedy and some prospects I don’t it gets done.
I think Youkilis needs another Joba ball at his earflap tonight.
meant to say I don’t “think” it gets done
“I used to love this board but damm man, theres no spirit here anymore, just people whineing, lets just win our game, its all you can do, tonight is 26th of 162….come off the ledge and stop watching cleveland toronto on May 5th like your lives depend on it, geesh”
With every win you have to wonder if Toronto is for real. I keep waiting for them to slump but they keep pulling out wins from their arses.
Because of injuries, once again, the Yankees are not putting a Yankee lineup out there. Injuries has been our only problem. We wouldnt be in this situation if Wang had his arm strength, ARod got checked out, Marte didnt pitch in the WBC, Bruney didnt injure himself again, and we covered outself at the catching position.
Rishi, you rule at new thread posts. thanks
I wonder with Jorge being held back during spring training if he really got all his leg work in…..I was naver a catcher, however I do recall they and the pitchers always had far more running and leg work than the rest of us…..Maybe Randy I ( The Original Tin Cup )can expand on thios somewhat….SJ as well, as he’s been grooming and toturing a future MLB catcher since he was in his crib..Just imagine a 2 year old running around with a Munson catchers mitt to chew on ….
“how many of you have ever kissed a girl or gone outside?”
ever since i hit the enlarge button on a serena roberts photo i’m afraid to go outside
bryanhoch: Posada to DL, Cervelli up
soxnationsux
May 5th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
“I think Youkilis needs another Joba ball at his earflap tonight.”
Ya, that would be real smart and productive because the next inning you don’t think either Jeter or Tex gets a ball to the head?
“Cal
May 5th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
So lets see that is
Arod
Posada
Bruney
Ransom
Marte
Nady
Chien-Ming Wang
Well jeez and we thought last year was bad, this year is shaping up to be even worse. Freaking team is old and jinxed since 2004 vs the Red Skunks.”
I’m starting to feel the same way. It’s amazing. The team did so great in ST and everyone was healthy and now they are all banged up and can’t score or pitch. Sheesh!
“I’ve never seen such a poor allocation of $210 million in my entire life.”
Well, joey thats because we have the following bills.
1B =22 million plus
2B= 6 million
3B= 28 million
SS =21 million
DH =12 million
RF= 6 million
LF= 12-13 milliom
CF= 1.5 million
SP =23
SP= 3 million
SP = 16million
SP 6 million
SP 400k
Wave Your Hat
May 5th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
“This what happens when you give a catcher in his late 30’s a 4 year deal. I can’t wait till Cash gives Captain No range a 4 year deal which includes the right to stay at SS cause Cash is a wimp.”
Cashman had no choice with Jorge – that’s not a fair criticism. What catcher would you have signed instead?
He didn’t need to jump. I would have offered him a two year deal with an option for the third year. We would have really seen if he really wanted to stay a Yankee no matter what or is a great big fraud.
“I’m starting to feel the same way. It’s amazing. The team did so great in ST and everyone was healthy and now they are all banged up and can’t score or pitch. Sheesh!”
Yep, every year. Bunch of girls.
And lets stop complaining about the payroll, they put the best team on the field for us this year and all that wasnt evaluated was the amount of testicles on each player.
As far as planning for injuries go, you plan for some but not a barage of them and you make a realistic assumption (IMO) that not everyone is going to get hurt at the same time. You CANNOT plan for everyone getting hurt at the same time.
HOWEVER, instead of saying, as the Yankees apparently did, “Hey, for the last 2 or so years, we’ve had an enormous number of injuries, all occuring at or near the same time, it couldn’t possibly happen again,” one could say, “Hey, for the last 2 or so years we’ve had an unforeeable barage of concurrent injuries, what’s the worst case scenario and how best can we plan for it.” No plan is ever going to be enough, unless you have a AAA team ready and able to play contending baseball at the ML level, but maybe you make a few different decisions about the makeup of your AAA team. Maybe Shelley Duncan doesn’t get to hang around, for instance.
There has to be some patience here. You don’t rebuild in one season, even two. But at some point the Yankees need to be honest about what they need to do. It doesn’t mean they have to give up trying to win at the ML level, but it means they need to focus their energies and resources on whatever they need to improve the organization from the bottom up. There is no reason for a premier franchise that is rolling in dough to be hesitant about spending money to build and strengthen the franchise in all areas.
Injuries happen. That’s baseball. Maybe they CAN’T really do anything about it. Seems they should try everything possible to prevent or predict the most vulnerable players.
I thought Cashman did a good job this winter. This team should be winning. And if the pitchers were performing as they were supposed to, and the bullpen as it did last season (their performance being so good being the reason they decided they could spend money on Teixeira rather than the aging middle relievers du jour), they would be winning, even without hitting consistently with RISP.
No easy answers here, and it’s still only 25 games into the season and many, many things can happen. One hopes if all the bad happens now, only good can happen later. But there are still areas of concern. ARod is not a lock to be effective this season. Wang is not a lock to come back and be effective this season. Jorge is now a constant question mark. Matsui is on constant health surveillance. They seriously can’t afford for another player to go down.
It’s frustrating as all get-out.
And all those things that CB said – money should be spent on hiring the best scouts, coaches, instructors, at a higher rate than anywhere else. They need an EDGE. And Jeter doesn’t have the edge they need. They have the money to make them better than anyone else. If they spend it where it should be spent, they’ll have less of a problem with the luxury tax. Revenue sharing won’t matter as much. They can trump the other teams in off-the-field spending – player evaluation, player development, cutting edge sports medicine/injury treatment and evaluation and whatever. It seems like a no brainer. I’d love to know who is standing in the way of this. Because if we amateurs can think of these things, sure as heck SOMEONE in the Yankee organization sees it, too.
Now that the stadium is built, there is no reason not to focus on these matters. The Yankees always struck me as a team that was willing to reinvest in itself. But they need to make smarter, longer term investments.
(Now THAT was a rant, diatribe and tirade, only slightly unprovoked!!!
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soxnationsux
May 5th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
“I think Youkilis needs another Joba ball at his earflap tonight.” Classy. You are the reason a lot of Yankee fans(such as myself) have to live with the rep idiots like yourself give us. Head hunting is gutless and one of the many reasons I could never fully stomach Roidger Clemens.
Spring training means jack. I can’t believe anyone buys into anything that happens during Spring training. Sadly the Yankees bought into Brett Gardner’s spring and we have to watch this no talent clown play. Maybe we’ll get lucky and Girardi will hit him leadoff again vs The Red Sox.
pat m-
there’s a lot going on with catchers legs that you wouldn’t think of. for instance,when you haven’t caught for a while, the tendons and ligaments in your feet aren’t stretched out and they burn like a b$%%%%% during early long periods of being in a crouch.
there’s also a lot of running if the the catcher does his job backing up throws to first.
i once had a long talk with carleton fisk when he was with the white sox in sarasota spring training where he told me how he worked out after games and what he did. he did a lot of weight work with squats and lunges.
the point he got across to me was that you had to do extra rehab/prehab work or your legs if you wanted to catch at 40.
I just remember them doing lot’s of sprints and always running with the pitchers, much more than the position players….Sarasota, I popped up vs. Tommy John there, back when he could bring it….
they only play each other 18 times…
“Because if we amateurs can think of these things, sure as heck SOMEONE in the Yankee organization sees it, too.”
doreen-
don’t be so sure the gap between what the blog knows and what the yankees management knows is as big as you think.
first of all there is a huge collective reservoir of experiences on the blog from an array of professions. i really do think the blog was collectively ahead of the yankees in analyzing wang’s problem .
I havn’t read all the comments yet, but why can’t the Yankees just call up Jesus Montero. I’ve seen this guy play numerous times and he seems like the real deal. Since Molina would most likely end up being the everyday catcher (Pudge was a bad idea last year), then why can’t we have a young guy come up and get his feet wet?
“I know from dealing with them on a daily basis that the Yankees have some security people who are very aggressive.”
Yeah, last year I wasn’t leaving the stadium fast enough for one of the security guards. It was my last game at the old stadium and I wanted to soak it all in one more time (as were the other 1,500 or so fans that were still there). Anyway, he threatened to have me arrested if I didn’t leave immediately. Great customer service.
Why do people keep saying A-Rod is “the best player in the game”? He’s not. Pujols is.
Average VORP since start of 2001 (Pujols’s first season):
Pujols 84.21
A-Rod 67.55
Last 5 seasons:
Pujols 87.68
A-Rod 70.08
Last 3 seasons:
Pujols 86.3
A-Rod 68.97
Did anyone else notice that Girardi had Posada trying to steal second several times in games over the weekend?
I will bet you anything that Posada initially tweaked his hamstring pretending he was Carl Crawford. He then aggravated it further running the bases.
Looks like our boy Girardi has anti-Midas disease. He’s the man with the fecal touch. I wish Donnie Baseball were running this team.
tommy,
You said:
This what happens when you give a catcher in his late 30’s a 4 year deal. I can’t wait till Cash gives Captain No range a 4 year deal which includes the right to stay at SS cause Cash is a wimp.
Ding, ding, ding!!!! Bull’s eye!
Wave Your Hat
You said:
Cashman had no choice with Jorge – that’s not a fair criticism. What catcher would you have signed instead?
Often — even usually — the best thing to do is say bye, bye.
A four year contract for a soon-to-be 37 year old catcher is a prescription for exactly what the Yankees got last year and are getting this year so far. If you like it, then you should want them to stay right on the same track.