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Even Mariano? Yikes

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on May 07, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Mariano Rivera has thrown 11.1 innings this season and allowed 15 hits. Four of them are home runs.

To put that in some perspective, there were eight full seasons in Mo’s career when he did not give up four home runs. Tonight was the first time he has given up back-to-back homers.

Does his shoulder still bother him? Poor command is usually a sign of injury and Mo has yet to issue a walk. His velocity is down a tick or two but that is not unusual given his age and inconsistent workload this season.

If something is wrong with Rivera, it’s incomprehensible to think about what will become of the Yankees.

UPDATE, 11:07 p.m.: Girardi just said that Mo has been battling “arm strength” issues. Uh oh.

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Meanwhile, who gets fired for screwing up the new Yankee Stadium? The ball flies out in right field like it’s shot out of a cannon. We were lied to when they said the dimensions are the same. They’re obviously not. The wall is significantly shorter and the the gap in right field goes straight across, not out like it did at the old Stadium.

Between the homer-happy dimensions, Monument Cave, the prison-wall white concrete in the outfield and the empty premium seats, the new park needs a lot of work.

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124 Responses to “Even Mariano? Yikes”

  1. Devon May 7th, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    Guys that are not suppose to be hitting home runs are hitting moon shots.

  2. Will May 7th, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    Right, blame the ballpark for a ruderless team. The Yankees had the exact same issues last year. The stadium was different; the manager was the same.

  3. Bob(The Original) May 7th, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    Mariano looked filthy last night, so who knows.

    You think Cashman realizes now that he actually has to go out and get a catcher by the way?

    I’ve given him the benefit of the doubt long enough. I really am starting to believe he has to go.

  4. Al May 7th, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    The new ballpark may be the worst aspect of this team so far this year.

    What a disaster.

  5. Bob(The Original) May 7th, 2009 at 11:09 pm

    What do you need a closer for anyways?

    The Yanks haven’t had the lead in a game since Saturday afternoon.

  6. Brandon "We are all going to meet Berroa under the Oneill banner" "I LOVE ME SOME ME !" May 7th, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    Melancon your going to have to step in for Rivera sooner than later.

  7. Abe Peter May 7th, 2009 at 11:11 pm

    So Mo’s contract could become an issue, Posada’s is already looking like an albatross. Tons of dough and years for Tex, Arod, CC and AJ. Cano still jekyll and hyde. Nothing consistent in the pen. Wow and what do with Jeter after his contract is up?

    I know it will get better but it looks pretty dismal right now

  8. CaptainsCorner May 7th, 2009 at 11:11 pm

    I hate to say it because I didn’t want it to happen…but they have to move Joba to the bullpen. He can pitch the 8th inning and on days when Mo’s shoulder doesn’t feel well he can close the game. Then he will be ready in a year or so when Mo is ready to retire. I think Joba has been great in the rotation but he is needed in the bullpen for when he needs to pitch the 9th inning. Also there aren’t going to be any great closers available if or when they will need 1 in the off season.

  9. Dazz May 7th, 2009 at 11:12 pm

    Mets bullpen last year had a 4.27 ERA

    Our bullpen this year has a 6.17 ERA

    Just to put it in perspective.

  10. Tommy CA May 7th, 2009 at 11:13 pm

    Now do you realize what we lost in Torre?

    Torre would NEVER let the team spiral out of control like this.

  11. S.A.--It's a marathon, not a sprint. Calm down. May 7th, 2009 at 11:13 pm

    When are they back at the stadium? Next Friday?
    I’ll have the goat and the priest ready.

  12. Pel (Uncertainty is certain.) May 7th, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    >Just to put it in perspective.

    a loss is a loss is a loss is a loss is a loss is a streak

  13. Brandon "We are all going to meet Berroa under the Oneill banner" "I LOVE ME SOME ME !" May 7th, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    “I hate to say it because I didn’t want it to happen…but they have to move Joba to the bullpen.”

    They can’t afford to do that, going back and fourth on routines is not going to benefit him and something tells me when you do that Joba once he becomes a FA will leave to be a starter somewhere else. That kid does not want to be a closer.

  14. SJ44 May 7th, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    So I guess everybody crying about Girardi not using Mariano more now have their answer.

    He’s not yet 100% and they have to monitor him closely.

    Now you can go back to telling us the season is over on May 7 and other assorted nonsense for the rest of the evening.

  15. carl May 7th, 2009 at 11:15 pm

    Come on stop blaming the park for our team sucking.

  16. Bob(The Original) May 7th, 2009 at 11:15 pm

    Why does everyone want to keep blaming the manager?

    The manager isn’t the problem. It’s the personnel that is the problem. Cashman deserves the heat, and quite frankly, the boot.

  17. Tazmania May 7th, 2009 at 11:16 pm

    Worst. Season. Ever.

    Couldn’t have seen this coming from a mile away after out great spring.

  18. Yanks Miss Gil Patterson May 7th, 2009 at 11:16 pm

    Bartlett’s and Longoria’s first HRs were not HRs in the old park. Not a chance.

    The others have been bombs – at least lately.

    Yanks pitching should carry some of the blame for the amount of homers, let’s be honest.

  19. raymagnetic May 7th, 2009 at 11:16 pm

    “The manager isn’t the problem. It’s the personnel that is the problem. Cashman deserves the heat, and quite frankly, the boot.”

    So you’re saying you’re not happy having CC, AJ and Teix on the team?

  20. m May 7th, 2009 at 11:16 pm

    Thought you were off tonight, Pete…

    Oh, my. We’re tied with Tampa now.

    We weren’t in real trouble before the game. But it’s apparent now, that we are.

    What happened to Molina? And is Mo going to come around? He was the last vestige in the bullpen.

    Not giving up in the least. I’ll take any contributions Alex can bring, miss those meaningless HR

    Who pitches tomorrow? CC? Rematch of opening day game? Let’s have a do over. Starting tomorrow.

    Over/under blame score=4. More than 4 runs given up, it’s on the pitching. Less than 4 runs scored, it’s on the offense.

    ——————————————————-

    I think our pitchers hate the new stadium. I think they’re afraid to pitch in it, and for good reason. Sad, that we have to go on the road to break a losing streak.

    What to do with Mo? DL him like they did Dice-K?

  21. Simms May 7th, 2009 at 11:17 pm

    “UPDATE, 11:07 p.m.: Girardi just said that Mo has been battling “arm strength” issues. Uh oh.”

    Then why the heck is he out there?

  22. RS May 7th, 2009 at 11:18 pm

    I shudder to think of what our pitching staff will look like without Molina behind the plate.

  23. carl May 7th, 2009 at 11:18 pm

    Home 6 7
    Road 7 8

    Home or away we suck. Every team knows how to hit in the “Bandbox” but us.

  24. Al from BK May 7th, 2009 at 11:18 pm

    “Girardi just said that Mo has been battling “arm strength” issues. Uh oh. ”

    Kill me now.

  25. Rob May 7th, 2009 at 11:19 pm

    Pete …so true about the new stadium….they worried about club seats and restaurants and never once see how the ball would carry….did somebody take batting practice in the fall…the structure was completed….they could not send some AAA players over to see how the stadium plays….what a joke…its not Girardi or Cashman they need to be fired it Trost and Levine

  26. Christina May 7th, 2009 at 11:19 pm

    Its even keel for both sides, regarding the homeruns popping out of the park; hard to really use that as an excuse. I will agree though that the balls are clearly flying out of the park. What can you really do about it at this point? Rebuild the entire stadium? I guess higher walls could be an option for next year.

    They just look lifeless out there. At least Damon and a few others are with it. Teixeria needs to wake up and join the ballclub at some point though.

  27. Bob(The Original) May 7th, 2009 at 11:20 pm

    raymagnetic
    May 7th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
    “The manager isn’t the problem. It’s the personnel that is the problem. Cashman deserves the heat, and quite frankly, the boot.”

    So you’re saying you’re not happy having CC, AJ and Teix on the team?

    ——————————-

    Don’t be an idiot. You know exaclty what I mean.

    It takes no skill to write 3 checks and bring in the top 3 FAs. But he neglects to adequetly prepare for a backup plan at catcher. There is no bench to speak of. The bullpen is a complete disaster. There is no positional depth in the minors to draw on.

    Cashman deserves some serious heat for what has gone on this season.

  28. raymagnetic May 7th, 2009 at 11:20 pm

    “I shudder to think of what our pitching staff will look like without Molina behind the plate.”

    Because of how great it’s looked with Molina behind the plate lately?

  29. Kingdome May 7th, 2009 at 11:21 pm

    A-Rod will provide the leadership and heart this team needs. He is a winner and a leader. He will show us why he is the best player in baseball and what we missed the past month.

  30. Nome May 7th, 2009 at 11:22 pm

    Girardi isin’t going to last if he is under .500 on Memorial day. Not a chance.

    The Steinbrenners didn’t spend $423 million for mediocrity.

  31. Nat May 7th, 2009 at 11:23 pm

    So… is our starter going to pitch a good game one of these days? Maybe a 7 IP, 2 ER game where they actually hold a lead after we get it? Can that be arranged?

  32. Bob(The Original) May 7th, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    Kingdome
    May 7th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
    A-Rod will provide the leadership and heart this team needs. He is a winner and a leader. He will show us why he is the best player in baseball and what we missed the past month.

    —————

    Hey look everyone, A-Rod’s mom is posting here. lol

  33. raymagnetic May 7th, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    “Don’t be an idiot. You know exaclty what I mean.

    It takes no skill to write 3 checks and bring in the top 3 FAs. But he neglects to adequetly prepare for a backup plan at catcher. There is no bench to speak of. The bullpen is a complete disaster. There is no positional depth in the minors to draw on.”

    Actually I don’t know exactly what you mean.

    The Yankees started the season with an excellent backup catcher in the game. Keyword ‘backup’. Now what you’re angry about is the fact that they didn’t have another number 1 catcher, but name me one team who does have a number catcher ready to plug in if their starting catcher gets injured.

    Funny how other teams wanted these same players and Cashman convinced them to come to NY. It does take some kind of skills regardless of whether you believe it or now.

    The bench at the beginning of the season was Swisher, Melky and Molina, which was an excellent bench. Now are you angry because they have 13 pitchers and haven’t called up anyone from AAA?

  34. m May 7th, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    Kingdome,

    “He will show us…what we missed the past month.”

    This was the only part that showed up in your post. Did you write something else?

  35. DT May 7th, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    IF:

    Tex bats .200 for the year.
    CC and AJ have a 5.00 ERA for the year.
    Arod, Posada, Nady, Wang, Molina, Bruney, Marte and Ransom remain on the DL all year.
    Mo gives up back to back homers every game.
    The bullpen pitches to a 7 ERA

    Then yes, I believe the Yanks will have a losing record in 2009.

  36. carl May 7th, 2009 at 11:25 pm

    Don’t be an idiot. You know exaclty what I mean.

    It takes no skill to write 3 checks and bring in the top 3 FAs. But he neglects to adequetly prepare for a backup plan at catcher. There is no bench to speak of. The bullpen is a complete disaster. There is no positional depth in the minors to draw on.

    Cashman deserves some serious heat for what has gone on this season.
    ___________________________________________________________

    Because Cashman knew Molina, Posada, Wang, Nady, Bruney, Marte, A-Rod, Ransom would all be injured.

  37. vb03 May 7th, 2009 at 11:25 pm

    “A-Rod will provide the leadership and heart this team needs. He is a winner and a leader.”

    That’s the first time I’ve ever heard “leadership”, “heart”, “winner” and “leader” in the same breath as A-Rod.

  38. Import Knight May 7th, 2009 at 11:25 pm

    A-Rod is a leader?

    and a…… WINNER?

    ROFL. Thanks, I needed that after this awful game.

  39. ellen May 7th, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    Is there (another) catcher in the minors that they can bring up as a backup, or will they have to go out and get one?

  40. Fan Interference May 7th, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    My plans for fixing the stadium would be to demolish the premium seats in the front, and have the seating look like the old stadium. Tear down the sports bar, and expand the bleachers slightly, while putting in a new black section like the old park. Then with the extra space, open up monument park. Next, push the fences in right & left field back ten feet. Lower ticket prices to a reasonable level so that fans can enjoy the game. And another thing, at least allow kids to go get autographs from the players before the game. Play take me out to the ballgame during the 7th inning stretch from now on.

  41. Jimmy the Saint May 7th, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    They should call it George W. Bush Stadium.

  42. Zooboy May 7th, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    “The Steinbrenners didn’t spend $423 million for mediocrity.”

    No, they spent 1.3 Billion for a joke of a stadium complete with a moat to keep the riff raff away from the government bailout bonus babies.

  43. Eric May 7th, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    And what if A-Rod goes through a Teixeira-type slump to start his season while he is getting his timing back?

  44. darkmoonfire May 7th, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    The D-Backs just fired Melvin for a 12-17 start to the season

  45. vb03 May 7th, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    I’ve sat in the obstructed bleacher seating, and it sucks. That bar in the middle of the bleachers should be blown up.

    OK, maybe blown up is harsh, just move the friggin thing.

  46. Bill X May 7th, 2009 at 11:28 pm

    Maybe if these pathetic fans start showing up at the ballpark, the team will play better

    Would you want to play baseball in front of 1\2 empty, quiet crowds?

  47. Just another handle. May 7th, 2009 at 11:28 pm

    Kingdome

    “A-Rod will provide the leadership and heart this team needs. He is a winner and a leader. He will show us why he is the best player in baseball and what we missed the past month.”

    You are kidding, right?

  48. Bob(The Original) May 7th, 2009 at 11:29 pm

    Cashman knows Jorge is 37 years old, and an injury risk even if he wasn’t coming off major surgery. Best case he was going to get 100 starts this year. That means Cashman was perfectly fine with giving probably the worst hitting catcher of the past 25 years 300+ ABS this season. If you all think that is smart, then I have nothing else to say to you about it. HE didn’t have to go out and get an AS caliber catcher, but when Jorge is a major part of the offense you have to do better than Molina, which really would have been easy to do.

  49. vb03 May 7th, 2009 at 11:29 pm

    “Maybe if these pathetic fans start showing up at the ballpark, the team will play better”

    Maybe if lower deck seats didn’t cost at least $400.

  50. John Twan May 7th, 2009 at 11:30 pm

    “The D-Backs just fired Melvin for a 12-17 start to the season”

    Arizona missed the playoffs last year, off to a bad start this year

    hmm…. reminds me of another manager.

  51. mmx May 7th, 2009 at 11:30 pm

    Looks like Mo also needs extended spring training.

    On the other hand, Cashman & Girardi need shortened contracts.

  52. Pat M May 7th, 2009 at 11:30 pm

    Rabdy I, I agree that if things don’t turn around real soon someone will be sacrificed, matbe Eiland…We’re rapidly approaching the 1/4 pole and Memorial Day is usually the first clear assessment date……The Rivera concern may very well be legit….That pitch to Crawford had no movement to the left…And Longeria’s pitch was exactly the same flat 90 mph pitch that Bay lanched two weeks ago in Boston….No speed, no movement, it’s that simple….

  53. EvoLuTioN May 7th, 2009 at 11:31 pm

    mo should return to form once he actually gets some work..he was idle for like a week before yesterday.

  54. raymagnetic May 7th, 2009 at 11:32 pm

    “Cashman knows Jorge is 37 years old, and an injury risk even if he wasn’t coming off major surgery. Best case he was going to get 100 starts this year. That means Cashman was perfectly fine with giving probably the worst hitting catcher of the past 25 years 300+ ABS this season. If you all think that is smart, then I have nothing else to say to you about it. HE didn’t have to go out and get an AS caliber catcher, but when Jorge is a major part of the offense you have to do better than Molina, which really would have been easy to do.”

    You’re aware that the Red Sox have Jason Varitek playing 140 games a year right?

    The Rays catcher is a guy hitting under .200 so far this year and he’s their number one catcher.

    Having Molina as the ‘backup’ isn’t a horrible idea when you see what other teams are running out there with at the catcher position.

    I understand you’re upset right now because the team looks horrible. But complaining incessantly about who the ‘backup’ catcher was is silly to me.

  55. DMan77 May 7th, 2009 at 11:32 pm

    What a sorry team this has become.

  56. Jason May 7th, 2009 at 11:33 pm

    I find it absolutely amazing how anyone can defend the job Brian Cashman has done over the past decade. Gene Michael knew how to build a team — you know, something with players who each have a role, who mesh together to form a cohesive unit working toward the same goal. Cashman just knows how to write checks.

    Look, we all know no one could have predicted these early-season injuries (though, maybe it’s time to fire the conditioning guy, dont’ you think?)

    But I want you all to ponder this question – really ponder it: Do you think these Yankees, when the game is over and they’re back in their cars, really gives two craps they just found a new way to lose a ballgame? Can you honestly say these guys care about the game, the team as much as the Red Sox or Rays?

  57. m May 7th, 2009 at 11:34 pm

    Evolution,

    There’s a reason he was idle. Something’s up. And he’s been hot & cold (more cold) the whole season.

  58. Bob(The Original) May 7th, 2009 at 11:34 pm

    But Varitek is not being counted on to be a major part of their offense. Jorge is. Compare their OF production to what we get from ours.

    No it wouldn’t as big a deal to most teams, but behind A-Rod, Jorge is the best hitter on this team.

    That’s why you have to be better prepared for when he goes down.

  59. John Twan May 7th, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    As long as MO is throwing 89 MPH cookies down the pipe, he is going to get shelled

  60. Fione May 7th, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    Maybe the Mo/Steroid whispers were true.

  61. NYYanksFan May 7th, 2009 at 11:36 pm

    A-Rod will help but as Jeter points out is only part of the solution.

    “You’ve got to guard against saying everything is fine and dandy because he’s back in the lineup,” Jeter said. “Yeah, he’s gonna help – he’d help out any team that he’s playing for because of what he is able to do.

    “It’s not like ‘He’s back now and he’s the savior.’ Everybody has to do their job.”

  62. Thomas A. Anderson May 7th, 2009 at 11:36 pm

    Missing Torre?

    Need I remind all of you that Torre led the Yankees to the greatest collapse ever in 04 and 3 first round exits from 05-07.

    Oh how soon we forget. Torre is a great manager of men, but his time had run its course here.

  63. miggs May 7th, 2009 at 11:36 pm

    Had a late meeting tonight and didn’t get home until it was 6-4 Rays in the 8th.

    Then I saw Damon tie it and Mo blow it. I thought “well its just going to be another bad loss.”

    If it was only so simple. I saw that Cervelli was in the game but didn’t think twice about it (I figured day off for Molina or replacing him after a pinch hitter). Then I hear Molina hurt his quad. Mo had “minor shoulder issues”? Holy crap.

    These injuries are ridiculous. Its baffling the number of guys going down. They are TOO OLD. After their contracts are done, all the old guys need to go.

    Posada (2.5 more year) Yikes’
    Mo
    Matsui
    Damon
    Pettitte
    Jeter (I know, I know)

    Look I love those guys as much as anyone, especially Mo and Jeter. But you can’t sign guys for the past anymore. This is the single biggest problem with this team. Honestly if Jeter is still hitting maybe you keep him around for a 1-2 year deal but where the heck do you play him?

    Think about this for a second. A Rod for 9 more years. Tex for 8. CC for 7. AJ for 5. Is that good or bad? I don’t know.

    The Sox are known for being cold-blooded with their older vets, guys that have won them rings even. Pedro. Damon. Nomar. It sucks for the fans for a week or so, and then they forget about it as their team rips off a 12 game winning streak and beats the Yankees 5 straight times.

    I’d hate to see all those guys go, but that’s unfortunately probably EXACTLY what needs to happen.

    I’m not being dramatic. I’m not overreacting. I haven’t even read one single comment from tonight. But I think that’s the way to go. Unfortunately, it can’t be done overnight as there are bloated, absurd contracts all across the diamond. Maybe that’s the problem.

    Well, I feel a little better after hearing Mo speakon the postgame. I know he’s a proud man, but he’s also a straight shooter.

    And I also understand injuries happen to players of all ages. But a lot of these Yankee injuries are just guys breaking down. Quads, groins, shoulders. More wearing down and breaking down then being injured IMO.

  64. Jam ON May 7th, 2009 at 11:36 pm

    Those 2 “HRs” are lazy flyballs in normal ballparks

    This bandbox we play in is a MAJOR concern. But without it, who knows how bad we would be? We can’t score without the long ball either.

  65. Flo May 7th, 2009 at 11:36 pm

    I am long time reader of this blog but I havent commented before because I wasnt sure I could add anything…until now.

    Whenever someone expects Girardi or Cashman to take responsibility for the failures of this team, people defend them by saying it is the player’s job to play. Well after the past two nights, I have to disagree.

    I think everyone can agree that on paper, this team has a great deal of talent. However, the effort is clearly lacking with last night’s bottom of the 10th inning and tonight’s bottom of the 9th as clear examples.

    Mark Teixeira had the tieing run on third with less than 2 outs last night and he weakly popped up with a 2-0 cout no less. Tonight, down two runs, Matsui swung weakly at the 2nd pitch he saw, Cano weakly swung at the 1st pitch he saw and Swisher, our most patient hitter, swung at the first 3 pitches and then took a pitch right down the middle to strike out.

    If we can all agree that this team has the talent, than it is clear that those at bats are simply unacceptable in the effort department.

    Teixeira has to decide that getting that tieing run home is the most important thing in his entire life at that moment and the three hitters tonight have to decide that they are not just out to fill a column as Ken Singleton would say, but that they actually care about trying to still win the game.

    And at that point, it has to come back to Girardi and Cashman. If I was Joe, after last night’s weak popout and then seeing Tex completely give away another runner at third with less than 2 outs in the first inning today, I would have waited until the beginning of the next inning, walked out to the field and removed Tex from the game. I would have then sent message up to the guys in the booth that the reason he was being removed was because he didnt put forth the effort required to keep his position on the field.

    The reason these players dont perform to expectations is because they lack any real fear. They arent afraid of not getting paid and they arent afraid of failing to win. The only thing that can make these guys think twice is a fear of embarassment or a fear of not playing. And I think if Girardi makes it clear that if you cant value a runner on third with less than two outs, you should be embarassed and you deserve to not play.

    Finally, Cashman has to take a role in fixing this team immediately.

    He cant wait for a trade market to develop or try to get some kind of discount. Right now, he is in a unique position. With the economy in the tank, he doesnt have to be fleeced to get another catcher or some bullpen help.

    He can just offer to take a contract off a team’s hand to save that team from paying it. Now is the perfect time, go out and get a Bengie Molina so the Giants can clear 6 million or get a Scott Schoenweiss who is owed 4 million.

    There are probably others that teams would be desperate for us to take so they can clear payroll.

    Either way you look at it, this team has the talent to suceed, they just need some guidance to help achieve those goals.

    If Girardi and Cashman cant do that, then maybe it is me to find someone who can do the job.

  66. Al from BK May 7th, 2009 at 11:37 pm

    This whole team is a tabloid, not a ballclub. This is what happens when every player on your roster makes at least 10 million.

  67. the tampa yankee May 7th, 2009 at 11:38 pm

    raymagnetic,

    i agree with you,but we need a new catcher and ss “next year”.posada needs to dh.jeter should be put in left.if we could make a deal for a good young cather we shoud.

  68. GreenBeret7 May 7th, 2009 at 11:38 pm

    The Posada hamstring injury was a freak thing. Seriously, now, how many hamstrings are pulled during a slide?

  69. Itala Zap May 7th, 2009 at 11:38 pm

    “It’s not like ‘He’s back now and he’s the savior.’ Everybody has to do their job.”

    If only the fans had the same perspective as Jeter, and not think that A-Rod is going to make the pitching and bullpen improve and teach the hitters how to hit with RISP.

    People are going to be very disappointed when the team is playing the same way with A-Rod as it did without, save for a few more runs a game (that may not result in any wins, depending on the pitching).

  70. GreenBeret7 May 7th, 2009 at 11:38 pm

    GreenBeret7
    May 7th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
    vb03
    May 7th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
    “Right now, I’d be calling KC and asking about John Buck, just to see what they want.”

    Sadly any team would want a mother lode from the Yankees for their catcher, considering how the state of the position is right now.
    ——————————————————————————————
    Depends on how bad they want to unload a bad contract with it, like Guillen.

  71. Jay May 7th, 2009 at 11:38 pm

    Giving any pitcher a four year contract at $15 million/year beginning in the year he turns 39 is almost guaranteed to be a mistake. According to FanGraphs, before signing that contract, Rivera only contributed value in excess of $10 million per year once in his career (dating back to 2002)— and that was only $10.8 million in 2005. He miraculously contributed value of $14.2 million last year. But the odds of a 40 and 41 year old Rivera contributing anything close to $15 million per year have to be very low.

    By the way, would anyone like to give me the long list of 39-year old players — aside from knuckleballers and products of steroids — who have earned their contracts of three years or longer at $13 million or more per year? That’s the biggest thing right now that makes it hard for me to root for this team. Inking players to those kinds of idiotic contracts puts them at such an incredible disadvantage to the Red Sox that it makes rooting for the Yankees almost like rooting for the Washington Generals against the Harlem Globetrotters.

  72. tampayank May 7th, 2009 at 11:39 pm

    “S.A.–It’s a marathon, not a sprint. Calm down.
    May 7th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
    When are they back at the stadium? Next Friday?
    I’ll have the goat and the priest ready.

    ha….man a 10 game winning streak would really help this blog

  73. lenNY's Yankees May 7th, 2009 at 11:39 pm

    I’m okay with the home runs going out to right, as long as we’re hitting them too! Damon’s looking like Babe Ruth out there.

  74. Jay May 7th, 2009 at 11:40 pm

    Miggs,

    I just read your post. Obviously, I agree with you completely.

  75. Bronx Jeers May 7th, 2009 at 11:40 pm

    Last time they lost 5 straight at home?

    Hint # 1:

    ARod was Loosey Goosey.

    Hint # 2.

    Jesse Orosco wore pinstripes.

    Last Hint:

    Don Zimmer went tumbling.

  76. carl May 7th, 2009 at 11:41 pm

    Those 2 “HRs” are lazy flyballs in normal ballparks

    This bandbox we play in is a MAJOR concern. But without it, who knows how bad we would be? We can’t score without the long ball either.

    Lazy fly balls?!?!?! Go watch it again lmao. Mariano Rivera has given up 4 home runs already. I bet that home run to Bay was a joke also huh? or what about the one to Granderson? 89mph cutter isn’t gonna get it done. But blame the park.

  77. pat May 7th, 2009 at 11:41 pm

    My husband and brother were at the game tonight sitting in the high rent district and said the majority of seats were full so the Steinbrenner relocation plan seems to have helped.

    They called me twice during the game (Damon’s single and Jeter’s AB before Damon’s HR) and the stadium was loud. If they give fans something to make noise about, they will.

  78. David May 7th, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    If I wanted to cry I’d see Schindler’s List.

  79. Ogie Oglethorpe May 7th, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    Pete,

    Care to comment on how long Girardi has?

    The natives are getting restless.

  80. Jay May 7th, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    Like Miggs says, if the Yankees don’t become cold blooded with their older vets — like the Red Sox have done — they will be committing themselves to being doormats to the Red Sox even BEYOND the huge albatross of a contract which is going to be a terrible lead weight around their necks for years and years and years called Alex Rodriguez.

  81. pat May 7th, 2009 at 11:43 pm

    Doreen

    If you’re awake put on YES. They are going to show the cake from Ace of Cakes on Yankee Magazine.

  82. Jerkface May 7th, 2009 at 11:43 pm

    To be fair, Crawford’s HR went about 320 feet

  83. Will May 7th, 2009 at 11:43 pm

    If George was still running the team, heads would be rolling already about the problems with the new stadium. The Legends seats are a joke. The way they squeezed some extra seats by building a straight fence in the outfield gaps is a joke. The wind tunnel projecting balls in right field is a joke.

  84. m May 7th, 2009 at 11:45 pm

    Actually, Bay’s homerun to tie the game in Boston can be blamed on the park.

    At this point, even a manager change won’t do anything. There under so much pressure to win, it’s making them impotent.

  85. Will May 7th, 2009 at 11:45 pm

    My prediction is that the entire Legends section is going to be redone and cut down dramatically in size next year

  86. Trevor May 7th, 2009 at 11:46 pm

    Both Crawford and Longoria’s HR would have been out at the other stadium.
    Both just about hit down the lines (LF 318 RF 314). Same demensions as the renovated stadium.
    It’s short down both lines so it doesn’t take much to get it out.
    Outside of Bartlett no HR was cheap and would have stayed in the park at the old place.

  87. RS May 7th, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    “Would you want to play baseball in front of 1\2 empty, quiet crowds?”

    Every player on the team except Jeter, Mo, and Posada are used to not playing in front of full crowds every night.

    Besides, this should probably be last on a list of about 50 excuses why they’re not playing well. The Yankees are still averaging the highest home attendance in baseball. Some teams have literally 15,000 or less fans a night and are playing much better (Tigers, Marlins, Blue Jays).

  88. JoeT 28 in 10!! May 7th, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    Flo (and others who read but don’t post) …. please add your thoughts!!

    Everything that is said on here some people agree, and others don’t – it’s part of the fun.. and the way we’re playing recently, we need all the fun we can get!!

  89. m May 7th, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    Weaver’s at 81 pitches through 7. Part of that’s a product of Toronto’s new approach, but still.

  90. GreenBeret7 May 7th, 2009 at 11:48 pm

    Molina’s a backup catcher and 33-34 years old is not ancient for a backup catcher. You’ve got a catcher that has some age and a closer, who has age, and the shortstop is hardly antique. What you have is a rotation that hasn’t as yet hit their stride aexcept for sporatic games. They are hardly old.

  91. Pat M May 7th, 2009 at 11:48 pm

    GB7, Earlier we were expressing our Mantle moments…As I got older I was allowed to take the New Haven from Pelham with friends…I saw Mantle’s 500th on Mother’s Day in 1967, the first season they painted the joint white…Saw The Mick hit 2 in the summer of 68, but the one lasting image was in Tiger’s Satdium…I went with the old man on a business trip to Detroit, so naturally with the Yanks in town it was a given to catch a game…As you know, 1968 was the year of Denny McLain….What I witnessed was beyond belief as Mantle was clearly playing on one bad leg…Denny groved a flat bp fastball that Mantle launced for what I think was his last homerun….Later McLain, Freehan and Mantle all acknowledged that Denny cookied it up for the Mick…..March 1969, Mantle calls it quits, and the City of NY weeped…

  92. Giuseppe Franco May 7th, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    Girardi has the entire season to do whatever he’s going to do – sink or swim.

    George doesn’t run this team anymore. Hal is not George.

    Besides, firing managers so frequently was never a winning formula during the 80s.

    Stability in the dugout has just as much to do with winning as stability everywhere else on the club.

  93. Ed Gern May 7th, 2009 at 11:50 pm

    Flo,
    You are right on about a number of things.

    I just can’t understand how anyone can support Cashman at this point. He has been given his rope and has used it to hang himself. His time has come and is done.

  94. m May 7th, 2009 at 11:50 pm

    What roster moves are you guys anticipating?

    Who goes out for A-rod, Pena or B*error*a?

  95. Bronx Jeers May 7th, 2009 at 11:51 pm

    “I’ve sat in the obstructed bleacher seating, and it sucks. That bar in the middle of the bleachers should be blown up.

    OK, maybe blown up is harsh, just move the friggin thing.”

    —————————–
    That’s a great idea

    How about behind home plate!

  96. Jay May 7th, 2009 at 11:51 pm

    I haven’t been watching the Yankees closely enough to have a fully informed opinion. And I don’t blame tonight’s loss on him. But I do believe that too much of the criticism of Girardi is justified. Certainly not all of it. I appreciate the way he’s protecting pitchers from overuse, for example. But he does seem to be very deficient as a strategist. Not squeezing in a run from third base in a tight game with a light hitter at the plate, for example. And appearing clueless when pitcher’s velocity has dramatically declined and made it clear that he’s shot all of his bullets and not removing him in a critical situation is another.

  97. Ogie Oglethorpe May 7th, 2009 at 11:52 pm

    Kevin Kennedy…

    Just a thought.

  98. pat May 7th, 2009 at 11:52 pm

    D-Backs fire Melvin.

  99. Keith May 7th, 2009 at 11:54 pm

    Why do I feel like they knew what they were doing when they built this park. If you have $2,625 seats you know that their knowledge of baseball is vague at best. So why not build a stadium with currants that carry a ball so far that these food court fans have to pay attention.

  100. Jay May 7th, 2009 at 11:57 pm

    I’ve been saying that I love having Molina behind the plate. And I do love having him behind the plate — at least the Molina of last year. This year, my eyeballs tell me that his age has caught up with him. And the stats here

    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/molinjo01.php

    confirm what my eyes tell me. He’s all of a sudden become a mediocre defensive catcher. Given that our main catcher turns 38 in August, I think it’s safe to say that we’re in trouble. I guess that’s what a team gets when it gives a player who’s about to turn 37 a four year contract at $13 million per year.

  101. GreenBeret7 May 8th, 2009 at 12:00 am

    m
    May 7th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
    Actually, Bay’s homerun to tie the game in Boston can be blamed on the park.

    At this point, even a manager change won’t do anything. There under so much pressure to win, it’s making them impotent.

    ————————————————————

    Bay’s homer in Boston was hit close to 390 feet left center. It was going out anywhere.

  102. Bronx Jeers May 8th, 2009 at 12:03 am

    “At this point, even a manager change won’t do anything. There under so much pressure to win, it’s making them impotent.”

    ———————————————————

    That’s exactly what sent Manny running to the wrong doctor.

    Look at him now. $8 mil lighter and with shrunken sack.

  103. GreenBeret7 May 8th, 2009 at 12:07 am

    Pat M
    May 7th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
    GB7, Earlier we were expressing our Mantle moments…As I got older I was allowed to take the New Haven from Pelham with friends…I saw Mantle’s 500th on Mother’s Day in 1967, the first season they painted the joint white…Saw The Mick hit 2 in the summer of 68, but the one lasting image was in Tiger’s Satdium…I went with the old man on a business trip to Detroit, so naturally with the Yanks in town it was a given to catch a game…As you know, 1968 was the year of Denny McLain….What I witnessed was beyond belief as Mantle was clearly playing on one bad leg…Denny groved a flat bp fastball that Mantle launced for what I think was his last homerun….Later McLain, Freehan and Mantle all acknowledged that Denny cookied it up for the Mick…..March 1969, Mantle calls it quits, and the City of NY weeped…

    ————————————————————

    I’d read McLain’s and Mantle’s version of that….nearly identical. McLain said he just wanted to be the guy that the record was set against. Hard to believe, but, that put Mantle at the #3 spot all time and just behind Mays by about 20.

    I mentioned in the post when you were talking about Mantle’s 1966 home run streak, about the last game I ever heard him playing in,

  104. Pat M May 8th, 2009 at 12:18 am

    GB7, Well at least you have that to remember the Mick when he was still The Mick….That 2 week stretch was captivating…I was 14 at the time, and I had just 8TH grade so the those 2 weeks were consumed with parties….Most of the boys huddled around the radio or the tv’s watching as Mantle provided us a glimpse of what was once his greatness…..The Yanks ended up in the AL basement just 2 years after taking the Cardinals to 7 games of the 64 World Series…A Series as you well know they should have won…..Just like that the Mantle / Maris was over….

  105. Melony May 8th, 2009 at 12:21 am

    I don’t think that this is the team that Cashman built, I think this is the team that Hank and Hal wanted Cashman to build since they took over. I don’t think that Cashman has complete control. I think the boys want to prove they know what they are doing. Because in the last 2 years, there have been trades and signings that I don’t believe Cashman wanted to make, but was forced into them by the Hank and Hal.

    I’m also starting to think that the ghosts of Old Yankee Stadium has put a curse on the New Yankee Stadium.

  106. Steve May 8th, 2009 at 12:21 am

    This has been a nightmare for long time Yankee fans who vividly remember Old Yankee Stadium as a kid and spent their entire adult lives in the renovated Stadium. Forget the team…that can be fixed. Players come and go. Stadiums last entire lifetimes and this Stadium flips the BIRD to the die hard fan. First of all, up in steerage AKA the uppper deck, the seats are narrower than RYS. The sightlines are good provided no one is sitting directly in front of you. RYS had a much steeper slope in the upper deck, you can easily see over the heads of people in front of you. Not so in NYS. The stadium was designed to not only seperate you from your money but do everything but watch the game from your seat. The multi level open air concourses make the stadium a wind tunnel. There are ushers everywhere keeping you from stepping even 1 foot into areas you dont have tickets for 3 hours before the game. I’m suprised no one mentioned the fact that Paul Olden, even with his impressive Super Bowl resume is a very bland PA announcer. Yankee Stadium should have a PA announcer with “voice of god” like pipes. Paul Olden’s voice does not match the enormity of this edifice. The fences need to bow out 10 feet in each field until it reaches the plexiglass bullpens. The CF sportsbar should be ripped out and momument park should be reconfigured in that space.

  107. MattNC May 8th, 2009 at 12:22 am

    Glad to see that Pete now knows that the dimensions are NOT the same as in the old YS. 5-9 feet closer than OYS along that already too close RF wall is not cool. In addition, the NYS is slightly oriented to the north comared to OYS (whch faced due east), which will make the prevailing winds from the west blow more to RCF and RF than to CF.

    Re: the team – well, it just reminds me of 2005 for the Red Sox with all the injuries.

  108. Marcus May 8th, 2009 at 12:27 am

    Wow. Lost two catchers in a week.

  109. GreenBeret7 May 8th, 2009 at 12:31 am

    Pat M
    May 8th, 2009 at 12:18 am
    GB7, Well at least you have that to remember the Mick when he was still The Mick….That 2 week stretch was captivating…I was 14 at the time, and I had just 8TH grade so the those 2 weeks were consumed with parties….Most of the boys huddled around the radio or the tv’s watching as Mantle provided us a glimpse of what was once his greatness…..The Yanks ended up in the AL basement just 2 years after taking the Cardinals to 7 games of the 64 World Series…A Series as you well know they should have won…..Just like that the Mantle / Maris was over….

    ————————————————————

    The game was on May 30, 1968. Mantle was 5-5 with a double, two homers and 5 RBI. I was at Firebase Marianne in Kontum, South Vietnam. Picked up the broadcast at 1 AM in the morning on AFVN Radio (Armed Forces Vietnam Radio). Last game that I was able to pick up there.

  110. Buddy Biancalana May 8th, 2009 at 12:32 am

    A.J. Hinch former ball player, is the new manager of the Snakes.

  111. Adam May 8th, 2009 at 12:40 am

    I guess Mark Teixeira has “arm strength” issues also

  112. jake May 8th, 2009 at 1:14 am

    As with Marte and Wang, Mo has been failed by the Yanks’ trainers and doctors. After all, these are the guys the Yanks pay to oversee the health and conditioning of their players.
    And, let’s face it: Mo’s arm/shoulder is not sufficiently rehabbed. Hence, he’s topping out at 91 and has lost movement. Marte developed some kind of problem during that WBC, and it was missed, or denied, by the Yanks’ body shop. And if anyone thinks that the Yanks’ body shop was paying good attention to Wang throughout the Spring, he, or she, must be on the yanks’ payroll, or just plain dumb.
    Absolutely pathetic, irresponsible, and incredible, given the Yanks’ resources.

  113. Dave L. May 8th, 2009 at 6:02 am

    You can’t blame the ticket prices for poor attendance anymore because the prices on Stubhub are so low. Legends seats every game for less than $300 and sometimes less than $200. I know that’s a lot, but if they were originally priced at $300, I don’t think anyone would have held that against the Yankees. Seats in the 100s routinely sell for $30-$40. Seats upstairs between the bases sometimes for less than $10.

  114. Mike May 8th, 2009 at 8:11 am

    The BABE is sitting up there laughing his A$$ off. Levine and Trost Pi$$ed on him by leaving his house and now we are cursed forever.

  115. disco stu May 8th, 2009 at 8:17 am

    I’m sorry, I dont buy the whole “Mo’s arm strength” excuse. He struck out the side on Wednesday night against Tampa (including both Crawford and Longoria) and looked absolutely dominant.

    Last night, he struck out Bartlett with a nasty cutter to start the inning and to his credit, Crawford fouled off about 3 or 4 nasty pitches that most other hitters probably would not have made contact on (the YES announcers were even saying that Crawford led the league last year in most pitches fouled off … so he is obviously tough to strike out).

    The pitch Crawford homered off of was a cutter that caught too much of the plate … he is a terrific hitter and even the “The Great Mariano” cant always get away with a location misktake … especially to someone as good as Crawford.

    Personally, I think there was an emotional let down with Mo with Longoria. He just gave up the home run to Crawford and grooved a four seamer … cant do that to a star player like Longoria.

    So I am sorry, you cant go from recording four straight outs over 2 games against the same team (and same batters) … all via strike out … and then give up back to back home runs … and then claim there are “arm issues” with your closer.

    Besides, like someone else posted earlier, if Mo has arm issues, then why is he out there pitching?

  116. Paul from Cali May 8th, 2009 at 8:19 am

    Bottom line: If the Orioles can sweep the Yankees this weekend, New York falls to last place in the AL East. As of this morning only 4 American League teams have a worse record then the Yankees. How does Joe Girardi still have a job?

  117. Sam May 8th, 2009 at 8:23 am

    My one biggest fear coming into this new season was that the Stadium would be a disaster – that we would lose the home field advantage, that the Mets park now had a chance to be better than ours, that we were taking a chance on not having the best park in baseball anymore. And, unfortunately, it came true. 30 years of going to Yankee Stadium, and it now feels like I am a visitor. I was worried when I heard Lonn Trost say in the offseason, “We wanted to build a 5-star hotel with a baseball field in the middle.” That comment proved baseball was not the primary focus on this new place, and we all have to suffer for it.

  118. nyfilly May 8th, 2009 at 9:03 am

    miggs,

    great points. i agree one hundred percent. you cant re-sign older players for sentimental reasons. stop running this team like a cable content company. stop living in the past.

  119. Tommy May 8th, 2009 at 9:03 am

    Get rid of the eyesore Mohegan Sun club in the bleachers.

  120. Mike May 8th, 2009 at 9:54 am

    We are the Levine/Trost Yankees–we’re not a team, we’re not the Yankees, we’re just another corporate entity. We’re a brand, we’re about selling ads in Japanese, $10 beers, $6.75 for a hot dog, $325 bucks for a decent seat, ushering people like cattle thru a way too small monument park. Here’s what I noticed, a small monument park but a giant Audi Yankees restaurant/club down the left field line serving steak and lobster. What’s wrong with this picture?

  121. 56Bomber May 8th, 2009 at 10:13 am

    “My plans for fixing the stadium would be to demolish the premium seats in the front, and have the seating look like the old stadium. Tear down the sports bar, and expand the bleachers slightly, while putting in a new black section like the old park. Then with the extra space, open up monument park. Next, push the fences in right & left field back ten feet. Lower ticket prices to a reasonable level so that fans can enjoy the game. And another thing, at least allow kids to go get autographs from the players before the game. Play take me out to the ballgame during the 7th inning stretch from now on.”

    Amen.

    And also fix Monument Park….its a disgrace. At least place it on top of the Mohegan Bar instead of underneath it.

  122. LadyJay114 May 8th, 2009 at 10:35 am

    “No, they spent 1.3 Billion for a joke of a stadium complete with a moat to keep the riff raff away from the government bailout bonus babies.”

    ^^WINNER!!!

  123. LadyJay114 May 8th, 2009 at 10:39 am

    56Bomber, I agree that the Mohegan bar is ridiculous.

    I don’t know if engineering could support this, but I would’ve put the bar above and behind Monument Park. The bar would span the entire outfield and put the bleachers above the bar.

  124. Bob Cypher May 8th, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    Tear down the new stadium, move back across the street! I know, I know, that will never happen, but there is so much bad mojo about this new place, we may be waiting 86 years for the next world championship. Remember “mystique and aura”? All gone

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