Pitching matchups for the Orioles series
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CC needs to set the tone for this series!
Well saturday the o’s have a pitcher with an era over 7 so you know what that means…
yankees 1 run 3 hits over 8 innings.
Don’t matter now.The handwritings on the wall.
Most of us were aware that CC was a slow starter, with last year being the case in point. But could anyone have suspected that on May 8th, the guy was going to be 1-3 with a 4.85 ERA? Soitenly not me.
The future inscription on John Sterling’s tombstone applies here: “I don’t care who you are, but you can’t predict baseball.”
Hopefully something clicks tonight (A-Rod?), and the double-digit winning streak begins!
Tonight is an opening day rematch. Maybe the second time around is going to be better. *fingers crossed*
And Im not sure why that got bolded:( Sorry for the double post.
We need to sweep this series. No way around it, especially with Halladay on tap on Tuesday in Toronto. Speaking of which, what a matchup in the opener of that series. Burnett vs. Halladay.
I have a bad feeling that the Yanks are going to be put in an insurmountable hole early.
In the prior thread, SJ referenced Mo and the delicate balance the Yankees have to walk to get his arm strength up – I completely agree. I don’t know what the solution is -he needs to pitch and throwing one inning isn’t sufficient at this time. However, they can’t overuse him either. It’s an untenable situation. The good news is, if Mo is to be believed, that he feels good. Once Mo’s arm strength is back, he’s going to be just fine and everyone can quit with the obituaries.
So which starter breaks the losing streak?
choose here!
http://tinyurl.com/qfw2j2
it will be 2-0 birds by the end of the 1st and a 6-3 birds final…..we are just snake bit this year
Look to win series and don’t set yourself up for failure.
If they win 2 of 3, its a good thing.
Think long term for once as opposed to 3 days out.
If this team wins 2 of 3 in most of their series, they make the playoffs.
When you are in the midst of a 5 game losing streaks, saying they “have to sweep” a 3 game road series makes little sense.
Love to see it but at this point, I’d be very happy with 2 of 3.
Lets hope he can complete 7 innings with 120 pitches and not go 5 2/3 throwing that many pitches.
Needs to be more economical.
John
May 8th, 2009 at 9:50 am
“Most of us were aware that CC was a slow starter, with last year being the case in point. But could anyone have suspected that on May 8th, the guy was going to be 1-3 with a 4.85 ERA? Soitenly not me.”
John – Last year at this time CC was 1-5 with a 7.51 era.
$20 bucks says CC goes over 4 runs. Maybe he’ll have a weak shoulder as well.
Wow, Burnett v. Halladay? I think AJ will get booed in Toronto (even though he was cheered in his last start, against the Yankees, as he left). He had a tough time with the Jays in ST because he was trying to impress them and now he’s going up against his very good friend and “mentor”. That’s going to be a rough one for him.
I wonder how the pitching is going to be now that the starters are throwing to catchers who don’t know them?
Of course you want to win series, but after losing 5 straight I’m taking this one game at a time at this point.
“So which starter breaks the losing streak?”
Good question. I’d have bet my house this rotation was 5 game losing steak-proof.
Any News on the Pen. Has Veras been DFA’d yet?
CC needs to give 7 strong innings – I can’t expect him to pitch shut out ball, but he has to keep the Yankees in the game. He can’t have that one bad inning as he has been wont to do this year and he can’t give back runs that his team scores for him…also as has been his MO. Man, one of these days it would be nice to just have a blowout…
I garauntee the yankees will not be able to hit against the orioles sub-par pitching.
Pete,
Is Montero too Green, would they make a mistake if they bring him up so young. I-Rod was 20 when he came up, what is your opinion.
No team is 5 game losing streak proof.
Just as no team can’t win 5 in a row. That’s baseball.
That’s why, contrary to the belief of some on here, the season isn’t “over” yet.
“Think long term for once as opposed to 3 days out.”
Yankees can’t be thinking long term, SJ. This team has to think about the next game. That’s how they’re going to right the ship. One game at a time.
Maybe you’re talking about a fan’s view?
Cashman really needs to fix the 40 man roster.
Bring up Shelley Duncan for the bench, a-rod is back, dfa veras, drop at least 3 pitchers from the 40 and add russo, rodriguez, linden, and pellitierre.
If that’s your guarantee, then there is no reason to post in here about the Yankees or watch the games. You know the outcome. Makes perfect sense to me.
Only question I have is, if you are that clairvoyant, obviously you would have known the team wouldn’t be good this year. So, why should their results to date surprise you?
Montero is too green,
he could prolly get by with the bat, but he has not developed anywhere near the skills behind the dish to be brought up. Talk about setting someone up for failure.
Montero is too raw on defense to call him up as a catcher. He is definitely still lacking the experience to call a pro game and he hasn’t hit above high A in the minors. That would be a disaster.
Cash has MLB experience, Cervilli is decent defensively. They should be ok with both those guys for now.
If anyone comes up early and can handle it it may be AJax to get some spark and speed back into this lineup. It may be too early, but as with Cano they may need to pull the trigger sooner rather than later.
Steve,
Talking about the fans viewpoint, not the players.
Re: the players, I agree with you.
One game at a time. That’s the only way they should be thinking right now.
Is cash off the dl yet?
a-jax?
the outfield is not a problem. melky is hitting over .320 and damon is the only one hitting with risp. swish is swish and nady may be back in a few weeks.
i think we do need to bring up AAA, show some life.
I have 2 extra field level tickets section 12 row UU for Sunday if anyone wants them $100 for the pair let me know dhettrick55@gmail.com I can give them to you at the game before the gates open.
Apparently Cash is off the DL according to SWB’s website.
The injury to Molina is going to increase the 40 man roster problem.
Before the injury, they could have called up ARod, DFA’d Berroa and sent then sent down a reliever and called up one of their Scranton outfielders.
With the Molina injury, they are going to have to make a 40 man roster move just to clear space for a second catcher.
That means the chances of the Yanks’ bolstering the bench with J Rodriguez or Lindley are more remote than they ever were, although IMO it still should be done.
The next 6 games have the chance to set the tone for the rest of the month. Considering how horrible the past 6 games were, I for one think the next two series are more important than anyone cares to admit. I was there last night and when Mo gave up those two home runs, you woulda thunk all the oxygen was sucked outta da Bronx. It was saaaaaaaaaaad……
On the postgame show, they said Cash came off the DL yesterday.
i dont care, they still need to fix the 40 man roster. too many pitchers with no chance to come up this year.
CC is very close to getting on a roll. He’s going to string together a bunch of great starts at some point soon, maybe starting tonight.
who think we take the Joba game or not?
woah. I am out of it. I meant, who thinks we only take the Joba game and lose the series.
“i dont care, they still need to fix the 40 man roster. too many pitchers with no chance to come up this year.”
I agree, but if they didn’t do it for the Boston or Tampa games why are they going to do it now?
I still think we take every game one of our starters goes to the hill. of course it is baseball, and no one wins all the time. The pitching matchups all favor us, which they will the majority of the time. One game at a time.
Win Series’ and you make up ground.
Cash will play well, just like Damon. Former Red Sox players usually do well in NY. Boggs, Clemens, Sparky Lyle…
because we have now lost 5 in a row.
Interesting ……
http://www.boston.com/sports/c.....index.html
Let’s see if the Yankees have learned how to pitch to the weaknesses of Brian Roberts, Nick Markakis et al.
They’ve made a living off Yankee pitching.
I agree, but if they didn’t do it for the Boston or Tampa games why are they going to do it now?
Love to hear Cashman’s thinking behind his roster structure. While what we’re talking about is a 24th-25th man, it’s still important. MLB managers will tell you til the cows come home that it takes contributions from all 25 to win and would seem that the composition of Cashman’s 25 is hamstringing his manager a little bit.
“Let’s see if the Yankees have learned how to pitch to the weaknesses of Brian Roberts, Nick Markakis et al.
They’ve made a living off Yankee pitching.”
It’s not limited to the Yankees pitching, Vince. So far, the front four of the O’s lineup has been making their living feasting on just about everyone they’ve faced.
Roster changes, Girardi made a comment about it, and said there would be “significant roster changes”…wondering what that means.
Happy to have Arod back, he may not be 100% but he’s far from an automatic out, which we have seemed to have plenty of in the lineup lately.
Alex off the DL; Molina to DL
Berroa DFA’d; AAA catcher placed on 40 man.
Nady to 60 day DL-retro active to April 14th (can they do that?)-frees up 40 man spot. Call up Linden or John Rodriguez.
Gardner to AAA; Miranda called up.
Well, the injury to Molina will force them to do something for one thing.
Did Cash injure his throwing or non-throwing shoulder while sliding?
I don’t know much about Cervelli, but I do trust Cash. He has some major league experience at least.
And, no, I don’t think Joba’s the only one we win. No matter how we’re playing and how many people we’ve lost, you still have to play the games.
It needs to start with the starting pitching. Knock on wood, they’ve been healthy with the exception of Wang.
We agree Berroa’s out, right?
And Veras needs to be DFA’d. Like 2 weeks ago.
Tom:
They still need a 2nd catcher.
Hey Pete,
When is Joe G. going to be fired. This team does not play hard for this man at all. Its a disgrace.
Mmm. I see effort, just not results.
Damon’s offense has been awesome, but he’s exposed in left field.
Agreed Tom. They need Miranda up here to see what he has and to give Teix a night off. He is adequate in the field and we’ll have to see if he can adapt to MLB pitching.
Watching Zobrist for the Rays shows why the Yankees are so high on trying to develop Kevin Russo into a super utility player.
pretty sure girardi’s “significant roster change” is alex… last night he said something like it’s “like making a HUGE trade.”
need more moves than that…as we all painfully know…
duncan off the bench??? someone, anyone to pinch hit.
gardner pinch hitting in the 9th in a tie game… (or was it a 1 run game?) That pretty much sums up the state of the yanks
NJ,
How are you assessing that they do not play hard. They keep coming back night after night. They are trying too hard. It is fairly obvious. What does firing Girardi right now accomplish and who do you bring in?
“Did Cash injure his throwing or non-throwing shoulder while sliding?”
Yes and Stewart missed some time after being plunked.
“Nady to 60 day DL-retro active to April 14th (can they do that?)-frees up 40 man spot. Call up Linden or John Rodriguez.
Gardner to AAA; Miranda called up.”
I believe Nady can be placed on the 60 day DL retroactively.
They have had these moves available to them for a week, and haven’t done so yet. Miranda could have been swapped with an active reliever at any time at no cost to the 40 man roster composition.
I agree with your proposed moves, and better late than never, but if the Yanks make them now it begs the question why didn’t they make them before?
The last game of the Boston series and the first game of the Tampa series may have turned on the lack of a bench (no one to pinch hit for Pena or Molina two games in a row).
We’ll see. What they do today should tell a lot.
Steve, Good catch. I was trying to be to clever.
the 2nd catcher would replace Berroa.
Arod=molina
2nd Catcher=Berroa (DFA’d).
Nady to 60 day DL. Linden or Jrod on 40man; Gardner to AAA Linden or Jrod called up.
Just a thought.
I’d want Alex to be the DH for a bit, but they’re probably going to stick him in the field.
Can Pena play any 1B? I’d sit Tex tonight. He needs a mental health break.
Tonight, I’d put out:
1B: Swisher
2B: Cano
3B: Rodriguez
SS: Jeter
LF: Damon
CF: Gardner
RF: Cabrera
C: Catch of the Day
DH: Matsui
Also, we need the fifth outfielder if John Rodriguez or Lindley are called up so Girardi will be free to use J Rodriguez or Lindley as a pinch hitter for Cervelli or the second catcher.
Pete, I think you made a mistake with this post.
There isn’t a single snarky comment about A-Rod or the new stadium anywhere in it.
You’re slipping, sir.
I like the flexibility Linden would give them more so than JRod as he could spell Melky in center and play the corners as well. Everyone says Linden is minor leaguer and that’s it. This is his shot. Someone saw a lot in him when they used a 1st-round pick on him. Better late than never to the show?
billy,
Not what I wanted to hear, but thanks!
I meant Linden, not Lindley. Sorry.
“How are you assessing that they do not play hard. They keep coming back night after night.”
Remember, you can’t keep coming back without first continually falling behind.
That said, asided from lying down in the late innings of the game Joba started the other night, they have played hard. Lot of guys pressing though. Cano is 1 for 21. Swisher is 1 for 15, Teixeira, etc. Adding Arod should help and guys will come out of their respective funks sooner or later.
“Gardner to AAA Linden or Jrod called up.”
No, Gardner should stay up, Robertson sent down, IMO.
“Also, we need the fifth outfielder if John Rodriguez or Lindley are called up so Girardi will be free to use J Rodriguez or Lindley as a pinch hitter for Cervelli or the second catcher”
Agreed. Off topic, but, Matsui’s knees have really hamstrung (no pun intened) the versatility of the team. If he could play some OF once or twice a week…
Girardi needs to go. Despite the injuries, and there are many, he still has a better roster than a below 500 team has. There is enough talent still on the field to be better than they have been. Every new comer struggles when they get here. Pitchers forget how they pitched successfully before they were Yankees, hitters suddenly forget how to hit, and nobody hits with RISP.
While it may not be fair, its falls at the feet of the guy in charge.
Tom:
You were definitely on the right path, IMO. Only you can’t bring up both Miranda and one of the 4A outfielders. Has to be one or the other and a catcher.
I’d love for Russo to become a Zobrist caliber player. I really like that guy. He could start every day and play at least six positions.
Can’t see Gardner going down. They like moving Melky to RF for late inning defense on the rare ocassions when they have the lead and can’t do that without Melky.
They have to send down a RHP when they activate Alex… that 13th pitcher has been a waste of a roster spot.
Same as last year again. This is pretty ridiculous. I have gone to 2 games at the stadium this year and have spent roughly 300 dollars. Until improvement is shown, I am saving my cash.
“I’d want Alex to be the DH for a bit, but they’re probably going to stick him in the field.”
I agree, especially considering Pena has been holding his own at the plate. But considering the catching situation, we’ll need all the best bats we can get in the lineup. Pena has really impressed – he has all the makings of a quality ML bench player, and spot starter:
Good speed
Switch hits
Good glove
Competent bat
Everyone in the organization loves Russo. He got a lot of attention last year and then in winter ball. It wouldn’t have surprised me at all to see him beat out Pena as the utility guy. He just had a horrid spring and then got hurt SWB.
He will be up at some point. You probably will be seeing him moved around the OF and INF with SWB. He can hit.
You look at the Rays roster and only wish the Yankees had their flexability. That team has been built right and with a lot of thought.
I like Gardner but he has to be on borrowed time if he can’t get his approach at the dish fixed. He’s not the type of hitter that can work counts yet. He is taking way too many strikes and can’t dig out of his hole. That’s not a spark for us at all.
He did get a hit against Pap but even a blind squirrel can find an acorn.
ARod activated, Berroa DFA’d.
Molina DL, 2nd catcher put on 40 man and activated.
Nady 60 DL, JRod/Linden to 40 man roster and called up, Robertson/another reliever down.
Miranda up, ?
Steve B you are correct!
“You look at the Rays roster and only wish the Yankees had their flexability. That team has been built right and with a lot of thought.”
…. and hundreds and hundreds of losses and cellar dwelling to give them the draft picks for established college pitchers and hitters that are easy to fast track.
You can’t DH ARod, you then lose Matsui and we are back to where we started.
Moves that should be done TODAY:
- Molina to DL
- Bring A-rod off the DL
- DFA Berroa
- Call up Kevin Cash
- Nady to 60-day DL
- Send Albaladejo down
- Call up Todd Linden or John Rodriguez
Moves that should be done in the FUTURE:
- Bruney off the DL
- Send Ramirez down
- Marte off the DL
- DFA Veras
- Posada off the DL
- Send down Cervelli
- Molina off the DL
- DFA Cash
- Nady off the DL
- DFA Linden/Rodriguez
Easy peasy, I should be the GM.
Fire Girardi like Billy Martin in ’78. Your Bob Lemon here is good old Buck Showalter, the manager who rebuilt the Yankees into a postseason contender.
Teix needs a night off desperately. Not a lot of options to back him up. Playing Swish at first and GGBG in the OF will be sparkless at the this point. They need to have Miranda to spell Teix. And Miranda is actually on the 40 man. lol.
Good work, Steve B.
Actually, Albaladejo has been the bullpen workhorse lately, 9 appearances in 16 games. I doubt the Yanks will send him down.
I’m sure that at some point this season the team will start to gel and put some winning streaks together. What I am worried about is that it’ll be too late. Mo has not been the Mo we all know and that is a cause for concern. What if something is wrong with Mo OR the fact that at 39 he’s no longer the Mo we all knew? Does that reignite the Joba to the bullpen arguments? Right now, the best player on this team is Johnny Damon, but he can’t throw the ball more than 20 feet without it being on a hop.
However, I still will be rooting for them every game and I think that they have the talent to turn this thing around once the injuries have been healed. I mean, who would’ve thunk that Posada AND Molina would be out at the same time? The Yanks are just snakebit right now.
Actually Melancon might be the one to send down if there aren’t going to release anyone. He needs to regain his control/command from his recent outings.
One way or the other they need to get to 12 pitchers. I’d like to see them at 11 once the starters start carrying their weight, but that may never happen.
@86…
If CC starts carrying his weight, does that mean he’s carrying the weight of TWO pitchers?
The Arizona Snakes fired manager Bob Melvin and his hitting coach. The pitching coach resigned.
Who will be next to get the axe ?
“Actually, Albaladejo has been the bullpen workhorse lately, 9 appearances in 16 games. I doubt the Yanks will send him down.”
I am not saying what I think the Yanks will do. I’m saying what the Yanks SHOULD do. Albaladejo stinks, get rid of him.