Game 30: Yankees at Orioles
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on May 09, 2009 
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YANKEES (14-15)
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Swisher RF
Cano 2B
Cabrera CF
Cervelli C
Pitching: RHP Phil Hughes (1-1, 2.70).
Hughes vs. the Baltimore hitters.
ORIOLES (12-18)
Roberts 2B
Jones RF
Markakis RF
Huff 1B
Mora 3B
Scott DH
Montanez LF
Zaun C
Izturis C
Pitching: RHP Adam Eaton (1-3, 7.18).
Eaton vs. the New York hitters.
TIME/TV: 7:05 p.m., YES.
STATE OF THE PINSTRIPES: The Yankees beat the Orioles 4-0 last night as A-Rod made his season debut with a three-run homer and CC Sabathia threw a four-hitter with eight strikeouts. The Yankees have lost five of their last six games and nine of their last 14. They are 4.5 games out of first place.
STAT OF THE DAY: The Yankees are hitting .24548 with RISP. That is 21st in baseball. Only Cleveland (.24496) and Oakland (.226) are worse in the AL. And because that’s the way it always seems to work, only five teams have had more ABs with RISP. The Yankees are 8 of 52 (.154) with RISP in their last five games.
Assuming this all starts to even out, they’re going to start scoring runs in bunches. Even with all this mess, they’re fifth in the game in scoring.
OTHER STATS OF NOTE: The Yankees are 4-10 vs. the Al East, 8-8 on the road and 2-11 when the make an error.
WHO’S HOT: Johnny Damon is 9 of 17 with six extra-base hits and eight RBI. … Hideki Matsui has a 16-game hit streak as a starter. … Since he became a starter, Melky is .346/.433/.500.
WHO’S NOT: Nick Swisher has struck out in eight of his last 17 ABs. … Mark Teixeira is 3 for 17 and has four extra-base hits in his last 17 games (68 AB). … Robbie Cano is 3 of 26 but had two of those hits in his final two ABs last night.
WATCH OUT: Nick Markakis is 4 for 8 with two doubles against Hughes.
GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN: Teixeira is 5 for 8 with a homer against Eaton. A-Rod is 2 for 3 with a homer and Swisher is 2 for 4 with two homers.
WELCOME BACK: The Yankees are 33-38 without A-Rod since he joined the team in 2004.
ON HIS HEELS: A-Rod has 554 home runs. He needs nine more to tie one Reginald Martinez Jackson for 11th place in baseball history. It’ll be interesting to hear what Mr. October thinks about that when the time comes.
UPDATE, 3:47 p.m: Brett Tomko is here. No word on who is out yet.
UPDATE, 3:57 p.m.: Dave Robertson optioned down.
UPDATE, 5:42 p.m.: Girardi said he could use Tomko in any role as he would be able to throw as many as 45 pitches. Tomko was terrific down in Scranton (10 games, 14 innings, 8 hits, 1 run, 4 walks, 17 strikeouts). But let’s remember that this is a guy who hasn’t had an ERA under 4.61 in the big leagues since 2004 when he was a starter. … Brian Bruney played catch again today and didn’t seem to have any issues. He’s at least two weeks off.
Girardi indicated that CMW’s next start would be in an actual minor-league game. But he didn’t know where that would be. He last pitched on Thursday. So presumably that start will come on Tuesday.
UPDATE, 6:12 p.m.: I hate to say this. I really do. But the grounds crew is hurrying to put the tarp down like there’s the worst storm ever coming.
UPDATE, 6:16 p.m.: Right on cue, a cloud is moving over the stadium likes look like one of the spaceships on Independence Day. It’ll be pouring here in minutes looks like.
UPDATE, 6:18 p.m.: Yep, it’s raining. Nice job by the people here getting the field covered so fast.
UPDATE, 6:25 p.m.: RHP Eric Hacker was designated for assignment. How is it that Angel Berroa has more value to the Yankees than Hacker? Hacker’s bad numbers this season (1-2, 6.03) doomed him, apparently.
In case you were wondering, they could not put Kennedy on the 60-day DL as he was not on the major league roster.
Brian Bruney played catch today and felt fine. He’ll play catch from 90 feet on Monday to test his arm and then they’ll decide what the next step is.
UPDATE, 6:31 p.m.: Storm has passed, tarp coming off.
UPDATE, 7:11 p.m.: We’re underway here in the Charm City. 81 degrees and clear at game time. The Baltimore scribes expect the Yankees to rock Eaton. We’ll see what happens.
Enjoy the game, everybody.
UPDATE, 7:42 p.m.: Phil Hughes can’t catch a break. After a clean single by Luke Scott, Montanez gets a single that slips past Cano. Then Zaun singles between Tex and the bag. Then for reasons unclear, Swisher air mails a throw to the backstop despite the runner staying at third. That gave Baltimore a run.
(Which, by the way, was dreadful coaching at third base by Juan Samuel. Scott could have walked home).
Anyway, 1-0 Orioles. Bases loaded and no outs. Get well soon, Chien-Ming Wang.
UPDATE, 7:51 p.m.: Well, this is brutal.
A wild pitch that ticks off Cervelli’s glove scored a run. The Jones doubles in another. 4-0 Baltimore and still only one out.
The Yankees are making mistakes all over the field.
UPDATE, 7:54 p.m.: Three-run homer by Huff. Now it’s 7-0. Thanks for coming, fans. Hughes has allowed seven hits.
UPDATE, 8:01 p.m.: That’s that for Hughes. 1.2 innings, eight hits and two runners still on. If Zaun sits on the changeup, it’ll be 10-0.
UPDATE, 8:05 p.m.: Zaun just missed it and had to settle for a line drive RBI single off the wall.
8-0 Orioles as the Yankees allow yet another big inning.
UPDATE, 8:22 p.m.: The Yankees are playing their 30th game of the season and tonight marks the ninth time they have allowed nine or more runs in a game.
I went to public school. But that seems like a high percentage.
UPDATE, 8:31 p.m.: Adam Eaton should be ashamed of himself. It’s 9-0 and he walks the bases loaded. Of course the Yankees should be ashamed of themselves for trailing Adam Eaton 9-0 in the first place.
Meanwhile, the Yankees have allowed 56 runs in the five games they have played on Saturday this season.
UPDATE, 8:39 p.m.: It’s good that Dave Robertson is on the Scranton shuttle and Mark Melancon gets tossed away so Edwar Ramirez can keep serving up bombs.
Here’s the thing about Edwar: You are never going to be able to trust him in any sort of important game because it’s too easy to sit on his stuff and drive it. His fastball is not good enough to make that changeup work. He’ll strike out his share of guys, but anybody who has seen him a few times knows what is coming.
UPDATE, 8:52 p.m.: Wow, Damon is killing it. He’s 10 of his last 20 with seven extra-base hits and 10 RBI. At least the Yankees have one player worthy of the All-Star Game.
UPDATE, 8:54 p.m.: It’s ridiculous that they’re going to lose to Adam Eaton, who has pitched incredibly poorly. But Hughes was worse.
If Girardi has sent a pitcher out there instead of Edwar, it might be 7-4. Instead it’s 11-4.
UPDATE, 9:04 p.m.: Now it would be 7-5 without Edwar.
That line-up is awful!
“That line-up is awful!”
Yeah but look who they’re facing.
Does anyone know when the train stop directly at the stadium is going to be available to the public?
Is that orioles logo real? lol
haha not this “record without A-Rod” stat again. They threw this up on the YES network, too. How about if the Yankees didn’t invest 20 million dollars in A-Rod every year, they’d have plenty of money to invest in another third basemen. Of course when your back-up infielder is playing third base you don’t do as well as a team! Silly.
I heard end of May Vince, but don’t quote me on that.
No excuses today… Adam Eaton is awful. Worst pitcher we have faced all year so far.
I don’t care if Hughes gives up 7 runs. We should still win and score plenty.
Why is Teixeria still in the 3 spot?
30 games and hitting .170 isin’t indication that he needs to hit 7th or 8th?
I asked Pete last night…It’s because he’s more “experienced.” So then he know what it feels like to be in a slump and be dropped in the batting order. Drop. Him. Unreal that he is in the 3 spot. what a waste, especially with Damon hitting so well.
2 run HR off Lester. 2-0 Rays.
I have 5 Yankee position players on my fantasy team and I also have Phil Hughes starting.
Brett(Tomko)IsGod!
I’m glad Cervelli is catching after his great performance last night. I’d rather see the kid with some upside to Kevin Cash, even if Cash has caught Hughes before in the minors.
As to Tex batting 3rd still: look at his OBP. Especially now that Alex is back in the lineup, Tex needs to get on base so Alex can drive him in just as much as he needs to drive in runs himself. He is still drawing plenty of walks, and I really don’t see a huge problem with him batting 3rd. He does, however, need to tone down his approach a little bit (i.e. runner on 3rd with fewer than two outs, make sure you get the run in).
Man, that Longoria is something. The pitchers better be studying some tape.
21st in BA with RISP and 5th in scoring means our offense isnt the problem because Im sure with those stats our OBP is one of the best in the game (without looking it up.) So we are getting the hits and walks and have a potent offense even without arod except we are not getting the hits when it matters and that is exactly what I would have guessed without any team stats in front of me. You hope that it all starts to even out and with arod back and posada possibly back in 3 weeks, we will likely be first in scoring before too long.
The fifth in scoring is a very good sign because the starting pitching is really looking like its going to break out pretty soon and go on a run so if we continues to score those runs, how clutch we are shouldn’t even matter so much. When you are one of the best in the game in scoring runs and your starting pitching is going real well, YOU WIN.
UPDATE, 3:47 p.m: Brett Tomko is here. No word on who is out yet.
- Hopefully it isnt Rivera……..
Yanks 78
May 9th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Why is Teixeria still in the 3 spot?
30 games and hitting .170 isin’t indication that he needs to hit 7th or 8th?
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Where would have Lance Berkman batting?
Robertson is down for Tomko.
http://twitter.com/bryanhoch
yeah Longoria is just raking right now, did anyone see the little kid behind home plate at Fenway wearing a Yanks shirt?..thought that was funny
I would guess Berroa – since they will also have to make a 40 man roster to get Tomko up. Of course – they could always 60 day DL Nady.
Robertson is down for Tomko.
- any news on the corresponding 40 man move?
Now Robertson is sent down? Do the Yankees care to give these young pen arms a chance? I guess not.
“A bat speed increase of 1 MPH will cause a 94 mph fastball to travel 8 feet farther (given identical trajectory and position strike on the bat).”
mattnc-
technical question.
isn’t 94mph accelerating to 96mph different than 94mph deaccelerating to 92mph?
how is acceleration worked into the equation?
Interesting that Alex is at 3B – my guess is because he’s not going to play 3B at all in Toronto and they want him there as much as possible……
Yeah… lets keep giving Edwar, Veras, and Albaladejo the ball so they can blow games.
Can Hughes throw a complete game today?
Ok no one is saying his batting average won’t pick up. But right now it IS .170. Just because he will hit later in the season doesn’t mean he should be in the three spot NOW. Are YOU braindead? Do the first 30 games of the season not count or something? Did I not get the memo?
Could be Ian Kennedy on the 60 day DL.
“Brett Tomko is here. No word on who is out yet.”
that will make for some nervous players.
The batting order should be a dynamically changing thing, not stagnant. The three spot isn’t set in stone. Ugh.
Aren’t Aceves and Tomko kind of redundant? Both are long guys, not setup men. Tomko isin’t a guy you want pitching late in a close game.
As much as I agree that Berroa needs to be DFAd, they can’t just swap him for Tomko. They have more than enough pitchers already; they need a bench. Now, ideally, we would see Tomko here, Berroa DFAd, sent down, and a AAA bench player on the 40-man (I’m not sure who is on there right now) brought up to replace Berroa’s spot on the bench.
Another possibility is Pena getting sent down for another bench player. While I agree that Pena would make an excellent backup, the kid really should be playing every day. Spending a season at AAA (or at least a couple more months) would serve him better than sitting on a bench for most of the season.
Anyway, if it is just Tomko that’s there, it’s a moot point right now; all they need to do is send someone down (a pitcher) and make a 40-man move.
Was Tomko on the 40 man?
Betsy,
you’re way wrong about A-Rod not playing 3B in Toronto. He’s not an outfielder. They aren’t sticking Pena in the lineup for that series.
good call Fran.
i HAVE arod, tex, damon and cano all starting tonight on my fantasy team against one of the worst pitchers in baseball – do I finish in first for the day??
Not sure how I feel about Tomko for Robertson. At best Tomko can only go a couple of innings as he’s not been stretched out, but I have no problem giving him a chance. Robertson didn’t pitch much here, so he’s better off in AAA. However, I do have to question whether he’s even in the Yankees future plans as I don’t think Joe loves him – he doesn’t have particularly good control, which is a real problem.
Tomko for Robertson makes no sense. I really don’t think they need both Tomko and Aceves on this team. What was the point of bringing up Melancon and Robertson if they were never going to be given a chance?!! I really don’t get it. Robertson was only used in blowout games and didn’t pitch often enough to have any location. I hope that Girardi doesn’t plan on pitching Tomko in the late innings…What a mess this bullpen is.
Well the Yanks did a great job with Melancon and Robertson while they were up. Way to go.
Take Jeter out of the one hole then too. He’s batting .190 for the month and down to .264 for the year.
At some point you have to let players hit out of it. Tex is still 5th in walks and getting on. Cano went into his slump when they moved him up. Swisher is struggling. Who is supposed to hit third then? Move Matsui in there and what move Tex to fifth. What’s the difference?
At least they are giving Tomko a shot. He isn’t very good, but has pitched well in the minors. He has veteran experience and might actually throw some strikes.
Robertson had a 3.86 ERA
I guess that’s not good enough for Girardi. They should have ERAs of 6.43, 7.20, and 4.63 (misleading considering he always lets inherited runners score) like Albaladejo, Veras, and Edwar!
I also have Joe saunders and josh johnson on the mound for the fantasy team again kansas city and colorado respectively. The only problem I can foresee is guess who is pitching for KC tonight and johnson is pitching in colorado. It could be a great fantasy night if the stars are aligned.
Eric, Tomko was being used as a closer…..
Tomko (refuse to use the other part of your name) – if you think Alex is going to play 3rd on the carpet in Toronto, I think you’re mistaken.
Monday is an off day which will give Alex a break
But Veras has great control, right? And Girardi loves him.
can we start a mass movement to ditch Ramirez and Veras? What do we have to do?
Aceves and Tomko have some experience. Aceves the way he throws too could potentially be a more reliable 7th inning guy than depending on Veras and let Tomko be long relief.
Betsy
Robertson’s control is no more suspect then Ablbaladejo Ramirez or Veras. If anything it’s a tad better. But Girardi has no problem continually running those 3 out there knowing they all stink.
Not feeling the move.
And with Hughes and Joba back to back you could potentially have to short inning games from the starters and need two long relievers both days
so Betsy, you think Matsui will sit out the series in Toronto? Really?
giradi:veras is like torre:tanyon sturtze
Is anyone watching the Rays/Sox.
Ortiz ending up on 2nd on a check swing to 3B with the shift on and then the Rays throwing the ball into right field had a Bad News Bears quality to it.
WHY is Robertson down and Tomko up? Robertson is already better than Tomko will ever be.
Anyone else feel that the young guys (Robertson and Melancon) weren’t used well? Last year, Girardi went to Veras, Ramirez, etc time after time to give them chances. This year, Robertson was used mostly in low-to-no pressure situations, and Melancon was used only in relatively high pressure situations.
For that matter, Melancon went days without pitching. While that is no excuse for walking three straight batters that one night, maybe he would have been a little sharper if he had been used more often and shown some faith. I have no problems with him getting more AAA seasoning; I do have a problem of him (and Robertson) being given far less of a chance than Veras and Ramirez were given last year (and less of a chance than they continue to be given this year).
And we wonder by the bullpen is awful
Melancon and Robertson, the young guys with potential, have to be perfect despite irregular usage or they go down to AAA.
While Veras, Albaladejo and Edwar are used everyday and are allowed to screw up and allow insurance runs, and continue to get chances.
We give proven mediocrity a million chances, but the high potential young guys have a short hook. Makes sense.
I have no idea, Tomko, but there’s no point in continuing this since (a) you are awfully defensive and (b) you are so certain you are right
Tomko is 36 years old and has been in the big leagues forever as a spot starter/long man/setup man/starter. He doesn’t need to be stretched out, he can stretch himself out. He’s always been a jack of all trades guy that alternates between starting and relieving.
I really don’t believe (or atleast I hope not) that they think he can be a 7th or 8th inning man. What has he done in his career to make the Yankees think he can?
Switching up the lineup makes no sense but i have to agree with some of you guys on robertson and melancon. Those two are far better than edwar, albaladejo and veras but neither of them got much of a shot at all. At least bring up a hitter to bolster the bench like miranda instead of tomko. Do we really need tomko and aceves and why is our bench constantly horrible when scranton has about 10 guys hitting over 300 for the season and the team is winning every game with a ridiculous offensive front.
Miranda or duncan would have been a nice addition and miranda is even on the 40 man so thas not an excuse. Im sure there is a reason we are not adding to the bench AT ALL when we have at least five solid options but I just dont know what that reason is. Would we rather have cervelli up in the ninth down by one run and RISP or miranda/duncan? This is going to come back and bite us in the butt. I can see it already just like not pinch hitting for molina and pena did earlier this season because we had no one any better on the bench.
just looking for a little logic. I’ll look elsewhere.
May 9th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
anyone with half a brain realizes Kennedy is going on the 60 day DL, that’s the move
- anyone with half a brain would realize the yanks would have to promote Kennedy to put him on the 60 Day DL – which would add to Kennedy’s ML service time – making him arb-eligible sooner and making him free agent eligible sooner. That MIGHT not be something they want to do – so it might automatically be that. I am not it wont be – but wouldnt it make more sense to put Kennedy on the Minor League DL and transfer Nady to the 60 day? He isnt like back until after 60 days anyway.
Yeah… they are going to bench A-Rod in a series against a 1st place team we are chasing. Real smart. Especially since we have an off-day on Monday.
We know what Veras, Albaladejo, and Edwar are, they are what they are.
Robertson/Melancon are young guys with great stuff and great minor league track records. They should be a given a chance.
Why stick with that isin’t working? And why was Melancon even brought up here if he wasn’t going to be given a fair shot?
I will say that it is pretty apparent that Joe doesn’t trust kids….he does seem to be reverting to the Torre school of managing in that way.
That said, I’m not on the Melancon bandwagon. Everyone drools about his potential and that’s fine, but let’s see him do it here first. He’s no savior and it’s not fair to proclaim him as such – he’s a kid (yes, I know he’s 24, but that’s still young…..). I have no doubt he’s going to be very good down the line, but let him get more work in in AAA.
I guess we are going to have to watch the stooges of Alba, Veras and Ramirez blow 5-10 more games before they realize how bad they are. I hope todays game isn’t like 4-3 in the 8th and in comes Tomko as the new set up man. Robertson is still young and has good stuff and you would have to think his location would of gotten better the more he pitched, too bad he is in the dog house.
Veras is a guy with great stuff and bad control/location. Already 29, released by 3 teams
Edwar was released by the Angels twice, pitched in the Independent league. Has a bugs bunny changeup and nothing else. Bad control
Albaladejo was released by 2 teams. Basically Chris Britton jr. Decent sinker, no out pitch.
Neither of these 3 should be pitching instead of Melancon/Robertson.
betsy honestly doesn’t make much sense sometimes
Tomko is a 36 yr old Journeyman
Of course he is going to dominate AAA kids, he knows the tricks of the trade.
His MLB track record speaks for itself. 12 different teams. 5 career ERA.
He isin’t any good. He is Jim Bower all over again… a veteran who dominates AAA competition and people think he is the answer. No way he should be pitching any important innings up here.
Wow. Armchair GM’s and managers.
We all know that Veras is not worthy, but he’s out of options and they’re not simply going to let him walk.
Melancon needed to go down, he’ll be back better and stronger. Not a problem there.
Why Robertson went down? Don’t know. But if the starters do their jobs, then that should minimize the number of appearances by Albaladejo, Ramirez, and Veras.
The kids are going to rotate because they’re kids.
Aceves will probably take over the 7th inning role if Tomko is here as the longman. Aceves doesn’t walk many and gets outs. Just what you need to hold games.
LOL Sad, talk about thinking SHORT term. The man just came back from hip surgery and you want him to play 3 games on the carpet? Seriously – we’ve seen players with less serious injuries (like sore hamstrings) sit out or DH when games are on the turf…….
Nice Restructure of Bullpen.
Mo, Aceves, Tomko, Coke, Veras and Ramirez.
Evolution,
Agree.
thank god Betsy doesn’t manage this team is all i can say
1. I think Tomko has a cluase in his contract where he has to be on the ML roster by June 1 or he’s a FA. Given his relative success at Scranton, he’d be picked up, I think. This way, the Yanks retain control of him, and can potentially deal him for more useful part, if necessary.
2. Robertson did not pitch much, by any means. I hope Pete asks Girardi about it, and what they think is missing. At some point, they have to make a decision about their middle relief and the direction they want to go in.
Aceves and Tomko are going to be pitching late innings for us?
Yikes.
Tomko isn’t here as the longman – he can’t be at this point. The Yankees will see if they can get anything out of him……it can’t hurt.
So Girardi won’t trust Dunn either whenever he’s ready? If that is the case then we won’t be developing any young pen arms. Unless Girardi is forced to use the young guys. And this will only happen if Albaladejo Ramirez and Vares are gone.
Joe that’s right, I’ve been saying that for a week now. Tomko needs to be with the major league club by June 1 or else hes a FA
And I’m equally thrilled that you are just an armchair manager yourself, Evolution
Girardi put Melancon in 4 games
Game 1 – loaded the bases with no outs, got out of it
Game 2 – Clean inning
Game 3 – Triple, wild pitch, let 4 inherited runs score
Game 4 – Walked the bases loaded with no outs.
So what exactly did he do to warrant staying up here?
Do you see me saying anything regarding managerial decisions? Why don’t you go make some crap hypothesis’ and assumptions again
Oddessy what does it even matter who pitches out of the bullpen for us? Is anyone else getting it done right now? No. They might as well try anyone to be honest. Tomko can’t do any worse than Edwar, Veras, Alba, or any other scrub they have out there. Also, whoever said that lineup is “awful”, way to clarify that. By the way you’re wrong. Eaton is complete garbage. Almost every hitter in this Yankee lineup tonight has more talent in their pinky finger than Adam Eaton has total. They SHOULD crush him.
kasmir has wang syndrome
I guess the thinking must be that since Veras, Ramirez and Albaladejo have been underperforming for so long, the law of averages dictates that they have to turn it around soon…
But are they really underperforming? That’s the question…
“Robertson’s control is no more suspect then Ablbaladejo Ramirez or Veras. If anything it’s a tad better. But Girardi has no problem continually running those 3 out there knowing they all stink.
Not feeling the move.”
Ramriez’s problem is that Girardi doesn’t run him out there. Ramriez, Robertson, and Melancon are our three best middle relievers until Bruney is back. Yet Girardi insists on using Veras and Fat Alby in every big spot possible. I really think he needs to be fired.
I suggest we take up a collection to buy the Yankee team, Ted Williams book on hitting.
I thought when you make a bullpen move it’s to make the bullpen better. What happened?
Dunn better be up soon. He can save the pen
Crawford throwing the ball to absolutely NO where hurt Kazmir.
“Girardi put Melancon in 4 games
Game 1 – loaded the bases with no outs, got out of it
Game 2 – Clean inning
Game 3 – Triple, wild pitch, let 4 inherited runs score
Game 4 – Walked the bases loaded with no outs.
So what exactly did he do to warrant staying up here?”
If you’re going to base everything on a 4 game sample size then you don’t need to be in the discussion. It’s clear which players have potential and which don’t. We already know Veras and Alby suck. Why not give the guys that actually look promising an extended look?
Edwar is fine if you let him start an innings
But Girardi always brings him in the middle of innings to clean up Albaladejo’s or Veras’ mess and he ends up letting inherited runners score.
Edwar isin’t great, but he is decent when there is nobody on base when he comes in
I like aceves as a short reliever at this point and tomko as the long man just because i think aceves is too valuable to be used as a long man but the fact is, aceves can be a one inning pitcher or a three inning pitcher as long as he is given the proper rest because he is afterall a starter and i hate wasting a roster spot on someone who is only here to pitch when the starter has already completely blown the game most likely. So one person can fill duel roles and with our starting staff, I dont know how often we will even need a long man. it shouldnt be very often. I also think robertson and melancon were not given a proper shot. They are two of our most talented arms out of the pen and they are wasting those talents in triple A while our pen has been miserable. it just doesnt make a heck of a lot of sense any way you slice it.
This atmosphere is no conducive to on the job training. Melancon had 3 shaky outings out of 4 games he was in.
He isin’t ready. Robertson is a different story. He is more experienced and has shown more than the 3 stooges (Edwar, Veras, Alba)
let’s give girardi/cashman a little benefit of the doubt here…robertson and melancon were up here b/c of injuries. they may not be ready for MLB yet. and seeing how melancon has loaded the bases twice already in his short career tells me he may need a little bit more seasoning.
veras is getting opportunities b/c he no longer has options. it’s either he’s a yankee or needs to be DFA’d. he did pitch well last year so you need to exhaust him before turning to another option. and robertson nor melancon seized the spot when they did get some run.
we’ll be fine in the pen. let the kids season down in AAA a little more – build up some arm strength and bring them back up. it’s a long season folks.
Melancon belongs on the list of best relievers? Based on what?
Brett Tomko wasn’t good in the past, he has no future, and he certainly won’t help now. Either way, Tomko will be a free agent June 1. Only now, it’ll be because he will be released by then, because he’s going to get lit up soon, unfortunately
Tomko is going to get lit, whenever we see him
I don’t think anyone is claiming Tomko is good, but just like Aceves it appears he will throw strikes. Tomko had 4 walks in 14 innings down there. He doesn’t walk guys over here his career. Veras gets himself into big trouble by walking guys. Mark will be back, but walking the bases loaded and needing to come out was not good. Robertson also will be back. Relievers are bound to give up runs, but you compound them by issuing free passes.
Tomko is 36 and has shown he is mediocre at the ML level.
Don’t expect much just because he dominated AAA hitters for a few innings.
Sadly besides MO I trust Brett tomko out of the pen more then any other righty
What spot was there for guys like Robertson, Melancon, or Ramirez to seize? Girardi simply refuses to use anyone besides Veras and Fat Alby in big spots. Dude is the worst manager.
I also am shocked that with the issues they didn’t just sign Luis Visciano to a minor league deal since he was released. He had a bad start here but improved. It’s another arm that wouldn’t cost much to get. Maybe it’s the devil you know and they simply think he is done, but feel it would have been worth the gamble.
Tomko has alternated between short relief and starting at the ML level for years. Just because he was a short reliever in AAA, doesn’t mean thats what he will do up here. He can stretch himself out if needed.
Tomko has been crap his entire career, it’s not about to change. He’ll be gone by June 1, that’s a given. He’s going to get lit up
“Tomko is 36 and has shown he is mediocre at the ML level.
Don’t expect much just because he dominated AAA hitters for a few innings.”
You mean to tell me a guy who has posted an ERA below 4.50 once since his rookie of the year is probably going to suck!?!?!
Veras and Alba have thrown in 13 games
Edwar has thrown in 11 games
Seems like equal distribution to me.
Melancon and Robertson are out best pitchers. Neither should have gone down.
99% of Edwar’s games are in the 8th inning of blowouts after like a month off. It’s clear that Girardi does not respect him.
tomko is here b/c he can pitch 3-4 innings as a reliever. with hughes + joba in the rotation, you need a long man.
4time
May 9th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Dunn better be up soon. He can save the pen
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Perfect solution, there. Dunn’s having trouble getting out AA hitters.
Adam – it doesnt take a professional scout to see how much talent melancon has or how bad the pen has been. Melancon will just go back down to triple A and dominate. He will hardly ever pitch out of the stretch or work out of a jam with solid hitters up in scranton. He wont have to face almost any good major league talent and he will just put up zero after zero in whip column and rack up strikeouts because there will be no competition for him really. What the small market clubs do is they let their best talent fly through triple A because they dont want them to just breeze through a year with no challenges because you just dont learn much. In the majors, he will really learn how to handle pressure and big league talent which is afterall, what he will have to learn at some point no matter what.
You can’t make this stuff up, we send down Robertson and not DFA Berroa or Veras
“Anyone With Half a Brain” is probably my favorite Burt Bacharach/Hal David song. I like the Dionne Warwick version best, but Dusty Springfield did it well too. I got to see Elvis Costello doing it too! I even have a recording of it.
So the bullpen has 2 long men
2 guys who suck (Veras Albaladejo)
1 guy who is ok (Edwar)
One guy who is good (Coke)
and MO
Seems like a recipe for a great bullpen.
The 4:35 post is not me. I would not have said that about Melancon and Robertson.
I am leaving and I will not be making any other posts tonight.
“Perfect solution, there. Dunn’s having trouble getting out AA hitters.”
But WDR sure ain’t.
I bet the Snr. Citizen finds a way to hang around for most of the year on the bench
“tomko is here b/c he can pitch 3-4 innings as a reliever. with hughes + joba in the rotation, you need a long man.”
Then what is Aceves role? We need two long men?
I’d put Coke in the okay category.
“You can’t make this stuff up, we send down Robertson and not DFA Berroa or Veras”
A inept GM when it comes to roster management + A stubborn manager who doesn’t want to use kids = A mess of a pen/bench
Not like “Fran” is exactly an uncommon name. If you don’t want to be impersonated, create a unique s\n, not just a first name.
This blog has a million Fran’s, John’s, James’, Carl’s, Dave’s, Mark’s, etc.
Oh, I thought that was an unusual post from Fran. Look at that, she didn’t even post before that.
Does this impersonator keep a list of regular posters and just pulls names to use?
TexMVP, you sure that someone wasn’t impersonating you this morning?
They atleast could of gave Jackson a chance before they released him. Melancon and or Robertson will be back very soon once Tomko shows his magic was just against AAA garbage.
4-3, Yankees in the bottom of the 8th…. out comes Brett Tomko to pitch!
Tomko will get some mop up duty tonight. The Yanks are going to use Eaton as toilet paper. Wipe their butts with this never was.
Can someone remind me who we lost from the bullpen over the off-season?
Cos I think we all understand that Giradi uses these guys because of their preceived ‘success’ last year, but there has to be some reason why the make-up of the pen seems so poor this year.
“Not like “Fran” is exactly an uncommon name. If you don’t want to be impersonated, create a unique s\n, not just a first name.
This blog has a million Fran’s, John’s, James’, Carl’s, Dave’s, Mark’s, etc”
Bingo. I love how people with common screen names complain about being impersonated. It could be just an honest mistake, yet they get labeled as an “imposter”.
On a different note, it’s nice to see Cervelli in the lineup again tonight after yesterday’s performance. Twas a pleasure to see him and CC rolling after Al’s moviescript moment. It was also the first time I’ve felt that staying up until three in the morning for a game has been worth it lately too!!
Odd how Giradi gives a chance to a young CATCHER and not to our young pitchers though….hmmmm…..suspicious….lol!
“Tomko will get some mop up duty tonight. The Yanks are going to use Eaton as toilet paper”
Did you forget that the Yanks do not hit guys/garbage with 7 eras?! Sorry 7.18 to be exact.
I like the kids’ ability, but Melancon’s rep has preceded him….and it’s sort of overwhelmed his performance (that is, people just assume he’s already very good – well, he has to prove that here). I suspect the Yankees were disturbed by him walking the bases loaded recently – and I can’t say I blame them. If control is one of his hallmarks, then it seems that he’s just not quite ready.
I realize Tomko is what he is, but it is possible to catch lightning in a bottle – if it doesn’t work, you DFA him.
Brandon “THE CIRCUS IS BACK !” “Would gladly meet Berroa under the Oneill banner”
May 9th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
“Perfect solution, there. Dunn’s having trouble getting out AA hitters.”
But WDR sure ain’t.
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Depending on what NYY does with Pettitte after this season and how Kennedy rehabs, De La Rosa, if he’s healthy and still progressing, I’d look for him to either be in the NYY rotation, or, more likely be in the Phil Coke role.
From MLB’s scouting report this is how great Eaton has been this season..
Eaton has allowed at least four earned runs in all but one of his starts this season, and he’s gone deeper than five innings just two times in five outings. The veteran has rung up high pitch counts in virtually all of his starts.
“No excuses today… Adam Eaton is awful. Worst pitcher we have faced all year so far.
I don’t care if Hughes gives up 7 runs. We should still win and score plenty.”
Agreed. We all know Yankee batters are at their best when they face bad pitching. 8 innings, 2 hits, 15 strikeouts for Eaton.
Tomko actually has a good fastball… 93-94 as a starter, could probably pump it up a couple ticks higher in relief.
But he seems like he doesn’t have great mental makeup, a la Farnsworth or Hawkins. Hopefully we catch lightening in a bottle.
It’s strange, Wilkin DLR BB’s dropped when he began starting.
Eaton’s ERA the last 4 years
2006 – 5.12 (with TEX)
2007 – 6.29 (with PHI)
2008 – 5.80 (with PHI – sent to minors then released)
2009 – 7.18 (with BAL)
The Phillies released him despite the fact that he makes $8 million this year.
I understand we always get fooled by journeyman but this guy is really bad. And he has extensive MLB experience too so there is plenty of film/scouting reports. No excuse today.
Bo knows
May 9th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
It’s strange, Wilkin DLR BB’s dropped when he began starting.
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The walks started dropping once Tyson moved him into the rotation last year. He was using all of his pitches and not trying to smoke everyone. He’s also getting used to pitching.
“It’s strange, Wilkin DLR BB’s dropped when he began starting.”
Actually he went from SP to SU/CL to SP, his BBs were up, down/middle/ down.
Aaron Small redux?
I just got in and started to read the posts but just had to jump in with this – it may be posted right above this one but I haven’t read any.
FWIW – bases loaded with Rays in boston, nobody out, top of the 5th, 3-1 Rays.
GO RAYS!
I meantt I hadn’t read any posts in this thread. I had started with the previous thread.
GB what’s he topping out at now ? P.S. now that he’s w/ Trenton I’m going to be there at his next start.
wow longoria is so good
5-1
Brandon, he can hit 96-97 MPH, but, not consistantly, but, he has no trouble staying between 93-95 MPH. His 75 MPH changeup is the big strikeout pitch. Just pure evil.
Roger, the Rays now have some very very good players due to their draft postion all these years.
7-1
Lester is getting pounded pounded pounded.
Watching the Guidry 18 strikeout game, and the Angels brought in Kenny Brett. What an absolute talent he was when he came up with Boston. Unreal stuff and a masher at the plate. Sadly, he just couldn’t stay healthy. That is always a pity when talent like that never gets to fulfill his promise due to nobody’s fault.
His change up got that nasty huh. Is it like a certain LH in NYC across the way…
Lester
trisha
they seem to have it all and longoria is killing the red sox.
Why can’t we hit lester like they do…
Sanchez
“Miranda or duncan would have been a nice addition and miranda is even on the 40 man so thas not an excuse.”
Duncan’ shoulder is bothering him.
Brandon “THE CIRCUS IS BACK !” “Would gladly meet Berroa under the Oneill banner”
May 9th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
His change up got that nasty huh. Is it like a certain LH in NYC across the way…
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Does the name Bugs Bunny (or, Ruby Begonia) ring a bell?
what do you guys think about mlbtraderumors saying yankees are scouting yu darvish? sick
red sox falling apart this inning.
“UPDATE, 3:47 p.m: Brett Tomko is here. No word on who is out yet. ”
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have been begging for Tomko to come up. I have faith in Tomko. Obviously more importantly, so do the Yankees.
Again it is pointless to have hot flashes about not wanting him here unless and until he gives you reason. In the meantime, my opinion is that all good Yankee fans should be saying GO BRETT! After all, his success is the Yankees’ success if our success.
Bases loaded, 1 out. Lester out of the game.
“Does the name Bugs Bunny (or, Ruby Begonia) ring a bell?”
Yes it does. Scale of 1 to 10 w/ a certain Met SP how much is it like his ?
Lester has been pretty bad this season….except against the Yanks ocourse. The great Hunter Jones gets hit also. Either the Yanks hitting it really bad so far this season or pitchers step it up and bring the goods against them.
“red sox falling apart this inning.
”
OH YEAH!
“what do you guys think about mlbtraderumors saying yankees are scouting yu darvish? sick”
Sayonara Wang if that’s true.
Everybody’s scouting Yu Darvish. He’s also stated that the kids in Japan desrves to see the best players from Japan and his personal goal is to be a 200 game winner IN Japan.
“Akimora” LOL!
Darvish has said that he has no interest in pitching here. So it doesn’t really mean much.
Brandon “THE CIRCUS IS BACK !” “Would gladly meet Berroa under the Oneill banner”
May 9th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
“Does the name Bugs Bunny (or, Ruby Begonia) ring a bell?”
Yes it does. Scale of 1 to 10 w/ a certain Met SP how much is it like his ?
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Pretty close, but, it’s more like the best of Ramirez’ changeups. The difference is that fastball, cutter and curve. He’s got those pitches going well, just not perfect, yet.
“Either the Yanks hitting it really bad so far this season or pitchers step it up and bring the goods against them.”
We can’t turn on the inside fastball, well maybe Swish, Tex when right and Alex can the rest not chance in …. that’s a big reason we struggle vs Lester or any other hard throwing pitcher.
“Pretty close, but, it’s more like the best of Ramirez’ changeups. The difference is that fastball, cutter and curve. He’s got those pitches going well, just not perfect, yet.”
Thanks great to know.
So Wilkins De La Rosa has a 97 MPH fastball, a Joba slider, and an Edwar changeup?
“Sayonara Wang if that’s true.”
Because of ’1-Asian per rotation rule’, right?
You’d think they’d change that rule in this day and age.
“So Wilkins De La Rosa has a 97 MPH fastball, a Joba slider, and an Edwar changeup?”
Yeh.
Now let’s hope that Kazmir didn’t have too long to think about this…
Damn
Gotta race. Keep those bad vibes going out there!
Wolf Man
May 9th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
So Wilkins De La Rosa has a 97 MPH fastball, a Joba slider, and an Edwar changeup?
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Read what I wrote. where did I say a Chamberlain slider? I also said that he could hit 97 MPH, not stay there.
DeLaRosa will be in AAA w/ Vasquez by late July. They are special.
“Because of ‘1-Asian per rotation rule’, right?”
Hey I didn’t write the rules
Too many innings left…Sox will find a way to win this game. I hate Fenway Park. Hate it.
Too many innings left…Sox will find a way to win this game. I hate Fenway Park. Hate it.
Lots of garbage being written on here today. Where to begin….
A Rod is not DHing for the Toronto series. No clue why you think that’s the case. He’s back healthy and playing everyday. I’ll give you my car if A Rod DH’s more than once that series. It just makes no sense.
Tomko is a good addition, even though most of you think he’s garbage. Watch him pitch a few games and see what I mean. He’s seasoned, doesn’t walk guys, and has been lights out this year. Those trashing the move haven’t watched much baseball. Aceves is the long man. Don’t be surprised to see Tomko in high leverage situations in the 7th or 8th or to pitch 2-3 innings.
Tex isn’t being dropped in the lineup. He’d have to be under.200 in mid-June probably before Girardi even thinks about doing that. He’s had ONE GAME hitting behind A Rod. One freaking game.
More later, I need to read through the rest of this nonsense.
Quick Stats:
Lester 2-3 GS 7 6.31 ERA
Beckett 3-2 GS 6 6.75 ERA
Penny 3-1 GS 6 6.90 ERA
Masterson 2-2 GS 4 5.28 ERA
Wake 4-1 GS 6 2.93
Uh Oh Kazmir
Varitek Truth Squad, where art thou?
and TB gets out of it
Benny Blanco….Those Boston pitching stats are never mentioned on ESPN, it’s always about he failure of the Yankee pitching……Miggs & Tricia…..I wish I had the dame fairh in Tomko that you two have….To be effective he must be pinpoint with his control, otherwise they’ll be picking pieces of him from all over the yard….
Former Red Sox Lou Merloni on Comcast SportsNet’s The Baseball Show today:
“I’m in spring training, and I got an 8:30-9:00 meeting in the morning. I walk into that office, and this happened while I was with the Boston Red Sox before this last regime, I’m sitting in the meeting. There’s a doctor up there and he’s talking about steroids, and everyone was like ‘here we go, we’re gonna sit here and get the whole thing — they’re bad for you.’ No. He spins it and says ‘you know what, if you take steroids and sit on the couch all winter long, you can actually get stronger than someone who works out clean, if you’re going to take steroids, one cycle won’t hurt you, abusing steroids it will.’ He sat there for one hour and told us how to properly use steroids while I’m with the Boston Red Sox, sitting there with the rest of the organization, and after this I said ‘what the heck was that?’ And everybody on the team was like ‘what was that?’ And the response we got was ‘well, we know guys are taking it, so we want to make sure they’re taking it the right way’… Where did that come from? That didn’t come from the Players Association.”
Let’s focus on beating the shift the O’s are strategically using, leaving holes at CF and SS!
The 3 stooges. I like that. It suits them.
Fenway Park is a glorified wiffle ball park. My kids and I have invented less rules playing in my front yard where the outfield is less comical.
Pat M
May 9th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Benny Blanco….Those Boston pitching stats are never mentioned on ESPN, it’s always about he failure of the Yankee pitching……Miggs & Tricia…..I wish I had the dame fairh in Tomko that you two have….To be effective he must be pinpoint with his control, otherwise they’ll be picking pieces of him from all over the yard….
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were you watching the guidry 18 strikeout game? Watching them bring in Kenny Brett to pitch was brought back the visions of what he could have been? To have an talent to throw like Ron Guidry and hit like his brother. When his arm went bad, never understood why he didn’t move to the outfield or become a DH.
Boston’s starting pitching is horrid. Goes to show you how important it is to have a solid bullpen.
While it would’ve been nice to see Melancon and Robertson get more chances to pitch up here, I think that having both Tomko and Aceves makes sense with Hughes and Joba pitching in back to back starts. Both are young pitchers with innings limits and have a tendency to throw alot of pitches (meaning they may only give you around 5 innings). If that were to happen on consecutive days, having 2 relievers that can each throw a few extra innings can only help. In fact, it could be one of the keys to winning the series. If all you have is a bunch of 1 innings relievers and the starters don’t give you the innings, your pen could get spent in a hurry.
Not much has worked with the pen so far this year, why not give this a shot?
The Sox have a good bullpen because they went out and took a flier on Saito and have brought in many useful guys over the past few years. Who have we brought in? Farnsy, Hawkins, Marte? Jeez, thats why we are not winning.
Why doesn’t Fox and ESPN just give the Sox the world series trophy now? I really don’t see a reason in waiting until October. What a joke they are…
Al,
No doubt. No reason for us not to take a flier on Saito, who has a better ERA than anyone in our pen (including MO).
He was a proven closer in LA and the Sux get him on an incentive laden contract
Got back from 5PM Mass, and I see some prayers have been answered – Tampa 10-3 over Boston. I wonder if the talking heads are wondering what’s wrong with Lester and how NYY. I refuse to put the sound on, as I’m going to eat dinner.
Let’s go Yankees!
GB, I watched that game back in 78 out here in So. Cal. with a few Angel fans…It was incredible…By the way you younger Yankee fans, that game is where the 2 strike clapping outbreak began….Ken Brett, was an outstanding ballplayer..He pitched in the 67 WS vs. St. Louis ( ? )…Great hitter out of Rodondo / Manhattan Beach area of L.A….George didn’t break some of his HS records…..GB, I think he just passed a few years ago…He was the color man for the Angels before Torre got the gig…In fact Torre was in the booth the night Reggie hit his 500 th homerun….Torre was excellent in the booth….
“The Sox have a good bullpen because they went out and took a flier on Saito and have brought in many useful guys over the past few years. Who have we brought in? Farnsy, Hawkins, Marte? Jeez, thats why we are not winning.”
That bullpen is looking great right now, :rofl:
Saito’s ERA is over 4 so far. Ramon was brought in by trading Coco Crisp. Etc.
People don’t realize that bullpens are volatile – you just toss a bunch of relievers together and hope they pitch well for 6 months.
You all realize that Yu Darvish is half-Iranian, right?
wheres ramiro mendoza call him up (literally, ring his phone)
I still don’t get the Ellsbury love. Yeah, he’s fast. But he can’t hit, and doesn’t walk, nearly enough to be acceptable.
He’s slightly better than Gardner, and Gardner sucks.
Ellsbury is hitting .296
Gardner is hitting .200
Ellsbury also hit 9 HRs last year… more than Gardner has probably hit in his whole life.
Ellsbury is probably the best leadoff hitter in the NL next to Ichiro
Forget Gardner, Melky is a better player then Ellsbury.
Pat M
May 9th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
GB, I watched that game back in 78 out here in So. Cal. with a few Angel fans…It was incredible…By the way you younger Yankee fans, that game is where the 2 strike clapping outbreak began….Ken Brett, was an outstanding ballplayer..He pitched in the 67 WS vs. St. Louis ( ? )…Great hitter out of Rodondo / Manhattan Beach area of L.A….George didn’t break some of his HS records…..GB, I think he just passed a few years ago…He was the color man for the Angels before Torre got the gig…In fact Torre was in the booth the night Reggie hit his 500 th homerun….Torre was excellent in the booth….
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Yeah, Brett passed away back around 2003. I think he had a feart attack. What a talent in that family. The both said that their older brother was better than both of them. Couldn’t stand George Brett, mainly because he wasn’t a Yankee. Ken Brett had such great stuff, but, was never healthy.
link please, regarding lou merloni
“But the grounds screw is hurrying to put the tarp down like there’s the worst storm ever coming.”
To be expected. When is it not raining these days?!! I wonder if they take Arod out of the lineup after the rain? I would assume so unless he is the DH.
Someone else…Well then Elsbury must indeed become someone else when he plays NY…Maybe he becomes Kenny Lofton ( in his prime ), because he certianly had an impact during those 5 games ….He’s better than Gardner..Iwas hoping Brett could morph into an Elsbury, but he hasn’t figured out how to steal 1st base yet..
So, has there been a day where it hasn’t rained in the past 3 weeks?
Everybody whining about Tomko neglect to think about one important component as to why he is up here.
He’s a veteran arm they can abuse a bit.
Every manager has to have at least one veteran arm he can abuse in the pen. You can’t have a pen of developmental rookies. This is not the Florida Marlins. Its the Yankees and they aren’t playing for next year.
If you abuse guys like Melancon, Robertson, Coke, even Aceves, that gets you in trouble. A guy like Tomko? No big deal.
Torre had guys like Vizcaino, Sturtze and Proctor he beat the tar out of to get outs. They are probably going to do the same with Tomko.
They are buying time until Bruney and Marte get back. If Tomko can give them something, great. If not, they release him. No harm, no foul.
Good Luck To Phil.
Well said SJ.
With Tomko having the ability to opt out if he’s not in the bigs by June 1st, why not try to catch lightning in a bottle… like Aaron Small?
Tomko = Jim Brower
why not bring down berroa and bring up either miranda or shelley duncan?
I think Longoria is as talented as anyone BUT, isn’t it VERY premature to speak of a 23 year as a future hall of famer?
Dee
May 9th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
why not bring down berroa and bring up either miranda or shelley duncan?
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Because they can’t play 2nd, short or 3rd base. Berroa may not play it well, but, he won’y be killied by line drives.
Mark Melancon + David Robertson = Don’t throw enough strikes to trust right now.
Anybody can play word games.
Its a no lose situation with Tomko. If he’s Brower, they release him. If he isn’t, and he can help them, he’s here for awhile.
They are trying to buy time and find someone who can help them. What’s the harm?
Given the state of the bullpen, its pretty tough to not give the guy a shot, given the way he has pitched so far this year.
Tomko’s definitely a threat in the Yankee hottest wife contest.
Playboy playmate Julia Schultz.
Now go google her you dirty dogs!
* 23 year old
I guess an asterisk puts what you write in a box.
SJ, I have not one problem with Tomko, in fact I thought he should have made the made the club when in went north…To be effective with stuff, he has to hit his spots and move the ball around….He has very little room for error…
“Ken Brett, was an outstanding ballplayer..He pitched in the 67 WS vs. St. Louis ( ? )…Great hitter out of Rodondo / Manhattan Beach area of L.A….George didn’t break some of his HS records”
pat m-
i was at el camino jr college from 1968-1971 when the bretts were going through el segundo.
lived on the strand which was why it took three years to make it through a junior college.
The name as annointed by Girardi is “Cervie”.
Hacker??? WT????? that’s crazy
“..the manager said he would also look for opportunities to give A-Rod some breathers when its convenient, such as in Toronto, where the star might be used as a designated hitter to save his hip from playing on the unforgiving artificial turf.
Girardi said the Yankees want to see how Rodriguez’s hip holds up, which is a big reason that both infielders Angel Berroa and Ramiro Pena remain on the roster.”
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....ays_t.html
Nice bubble Pete.
Tomko pitched well in Spring. Remember Girardi chose Veras based on “his performance last season”
5 runs should be enough to win a game! Beckett to the bullpen!
Jeers,
I forgot about that!
For that reason alone, he should be on the roster! lol
I don’t understand the hate for the guy. He’s a veteran guy they took a flier on and, truth be told, pitched well enough to make the team in ST.
He went to Scranton, didn’t sulk, and pitched better.
Given the state of the bullpen, why not give him a shot? There is no harm in doing so.
If he helps the team for a month, he’s a huge addition to the team. If he doesn’t, they DFA him and can call up Melancon and/or Robertson again.
I don’t care what his career stats say. They are meaningless for the sake of this discussion.
Right now, he’s been pitching to an under 1 ERA since March.
When you have a bullpen as bad as the Yankees have right now, you try ANYBODY. He’s just the latest guy on the list.
Beckett to the bullpen!
wat?
@Aaron
agreed
“5 runs should be enough to win a game! Beckett to the bullpen!”
beckett has nothing more to prove in the rotation.
You’re finally catching on, randy!
If Tomko saves a few innings from the other relievers and helps win a couple of games, he’s worth the gamble. That’s not to say that I trust him, but, this may be his niche after all of these years.
5 runs should be enough to win a game! Beckett to the bullpen!
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Hahahaha
GB7 -
Tell me “Joey” G did not call Cervelli “Cervie!” How corny can ya get??
“Right now, he’s been pitching to an under 1 ERA since March.”
It’s called sample size you moron. You have tons of innings telling you one thing and a measly 14 telling you the other. Get a clue before you start acting like Mr. Know-It-All.
Wakefield’s got the best ERA on that staff at 2.93. That guy’s got some value.
Bronx Jeers,
Wakefield’s real value is in his contract. Indefinite enewable $4M team option. Guess he’ll be back in ’10.
concerning tomko’s wife, i now understand why he wants to get of games as soon as possible.
What is going on with Lester this year?
Do you all remember when some posters were drooling over the Red Sox at the beginning of the season with one poster at least actually telling us that their starting pitching was the best in the majors?
Geeze Louise!
I don’t get all the Tomko hate either. What do they have to lose? People are reacting like he’s stealing innings from Mariano.
Really, the BP has been terrible. They’re not trading in early May. Might as well give everybody a look before Cash breaks out the magic wand.
At this point I’d welcome Hideki Irabu if he could get some outs.
I think Wakefield’s real value is in the joy he brings to his friends and family and the assistance he gives to his community.
“I think Wakefield’s real value is in the joy he brings to his friends and family and the assistance he gives to his community.”
LOL. That goes without saying but it was nice of you to mention it.
Lets do this!
Hopefully a better performance for Hughesie tonight. I feel like a nervous mama bear towards him.
So you know, I was thinking to myself that there was the potential to see some power numbers drop this season what with the steroid stuff going on and any abusers (other than Manny) having the brains to stay away from the juice.
Hey, has David Ortiz hit a homer yet? Strange if he hasn’t. He’s such a power hitter…
GJ Jeter
Let’s Go Yanks!!!!
I feel so dumb. I don’t get Nick’s joke.
Derek Jeter ** clap clap clap clap clap
Wake’s got some incentives in his contract based on starts but they’re not much. I think 30 starts would net him another 1.25 mil.
mel, I think it’s merely a play on the meaning of the word value.
Damon come on
Bad called strike.
Doreen
May 9th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
GB7 –
Tell me “Joey” G did not call Cervelli “Cervie!” How corny can ya get??
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Yes, sadly, he did, Doreenie. Or, do you prefer Dorie?
The heckler behind home plate is driving me nuts.
I really do not get the booing of Tex by O’s fans.
It’s just petty. Baseball is a business.
Cervie > Franny ?
What do you guys think? Should I switch to the YES feed or stick with the nice gentleman in the Orioles’ booth?
A-Rod is back!!!
Angel, so at this point there isn’t a ballpark where Tex doesn’t get booed! Not…a…one.
Lovely
carl
May 9th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
“A-Rod is back!!!”———————————————-
LMAOL
There really is no excuse for Tex to still be hitting 3rd. He kills every single rally. He is absolutely horrid with runners on base. And he looks completely lost. Drop him to 6th and move up Cano or hit Melky leadoff and drop Jeter and Damon one spot.
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Stick with O’s feed and let us know what they rag about.
The O’s guys aren’t actually that bad, but if I could get YES I’d take it.
It is possible that Tex’s wrist is not fully healed yet? Pop up after pop up in the infield just doesn’t seem right. It is very rare that he even gets the ball to the outfield recently last week it was the warning track. Or can his timing really be that bad?
“There really is no excuse for Tex to still be hitting 3rd. He kills every single rally. He is absolutely horrid with runners on base. And he looks completely lost. Drop him to 6th and move up Cano or hit Melky leadoff and drop Jeter and Damon one spot.”
Melky at leadoff? Good one. I’m dying over here. Funniest thing I’ve heard today.
It’s as good as explanation as any, Captains.
It certainly would affect his hitting if its not at full strength.
I love that there are 3 Gold Glovers in our infield even though it sucks defensively.
Maybe Wang comes back in Cleveland May 29th?
He really missed his spot on that pitch…This lineup is going to be tough if he doesnt hit his spots…
how is hughes looking?
Vin -
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come on hughesie.
Vin -
that was supposed to read “um”
trisha..what?
oh ha..well inning over..no damage
Thank you Phil.
Vin, um he got out of the inning fine.
Good, he needed a 1st pitch out…Now hopefully they can smack around Eaton and raise this ERA.
livefeed of the game online.
http://www.justin.tv/nba5a
He wasn’t close to the plate with Huff, but, it looked like he was pitching around Huff as much as anything. He’ll learn.
pat,
I switched over. I love Jim Palmer in the booth, but the other guy’s voice was grating on my nerves. Sounds like the guy that does the Red Sox.
I can take Cone, I can take Singleton, but I cannot take them together. I won’t be hearing any “Singy” today, so I’ll stick with YES.
“Melky at leadoff? Good one. I’m dying over here. Funniest thing I’ve heard today.”
Yes, the same guy that is hitting over .330 and, if I remember correctly, has ALWAYS hit well when leading off.
kay on the matsui fly ball : “driven deep to right field”
Haha, was Cisco getting a mani/pedi in the dugout?
Betsy, How do you know that Melanchon is not going to be that good but you Hughes will? Do you have crystal ball? Maybe Melanchon can handle “pressure” better, how do you know that he can’t?
Buddy: do you not have a clear view of the southern sky in your new home?
“I won’t be hearing any “Singy” today, so I’ll stick with YES.”
I love Coney, but yeah, he’s been an ‘acquired taste’ in booth for the most part. I’d take Singleton alone at the mic any day of the week.
Maybe a day off for Tex tomorrow would do him some good. Let him rest for a day and Monday is an off day so its a 2 day break. He is probably trying to do too much, so at this point it can’t hurt.
Robby’s offense is a conundrum
“Maybe a day off for Tex tomorrow would do him some good. Let him rest for a day and Monday is an off day so its a 2 day break. ”
And play….who? Gardner and Melky in the outfield and Swisher at first? No thanks. Gardner stinks.
Eaton has a 6+ ERA + opponents hit over .300 off him + Orioles starters have picked up a win in a few weeks = ugh
i think tex needs some time of to heal his wrist..or they keep givin him cortisone shots till the end of the season..cause this production will not do
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Coney must subscribe to the same nickname pattern as Joey G. If they start calling Kay, “Mikey”, I’m done.
Oh man, another “officially became a Yankee” line. So cliche…I HATE it.
This kid looks like he’s about 10
Nick-
I have Comcast because the internet/cable is all wrapped up in one deal.
I also only have one TV which my daughter is watching Go Diego Go on.
Just the laptop for me.
That was such a crap hit. Ugh.
“And play….who? Gardner and Melky in the outfield and Swisher at first? No thanks. Gardner stinks.”
At this point Tex stinks now also. He goes 0-5 every game anyway. I would rather give him 1 day now if it will help him bust out soon. They need to get 1 of Cano, Swisher or Tex going again.
Does Cano want to, I don’t know, dive?
come on Phil
CaptainsCorner, I agree that Tex is pretty useless at the plate right now. I don’t understand why the just don’t drop him in the order. Torre dropped one of the greatest hitters of all-time IN THE PLAYOFFS (which, by the way, was absolutely ridiculous).
urgh
man thats just uancceptable
swisher= quarterback?
What? Swish? My god as soon as he released it you know it was over.
Too much Red Bull for Nick.
as pete said we are like 10 games under 500 when we have an error..not happy abt that
man when phil was comin up they said the reason her was such a good prospect was because he had outstanding control..thats one thing i have yet to see from him
Uh Oh
Great job by Swish….The balls werent exactly hit hard..but Phil is going to have to bare down if he wants to get deep in this game. 3 hits by the bottom of the order is really bad. Now a hit batter.
That’s a ball that Tex should’ve had, too. Terrible baseball so far tonight. Unfortunately, I’ve come to expect sloppy, lackluster baseball from this team.
Hughes imploding….must limit damage.
can we all just come to the realization that Hughes just isn’t as good as advertised?
Not saying he’s terrible, just not the great white hope.
Swisher is not an everyday player. Hughes reminded me of a little league player who goes to a position because that’s what the coach tells him but has no idea why he’s there.
Torre dropped one of the greatest hitters of all-time IN THE PLAYOFFS (which, by the way, was absolutely ridiculous).
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If it was ridiculous then, why wouldn’t doing it be equally ridiculous now?
*cue mortal combat sound* FINISH HIM
teixeira usually has that grounder.
swisher usually throws to the plate.
hughes usually backs up.
well that’s one way to give up a run.
is it the umps strikezone this time, phil?
“Does Cano want to, I don’t know, dive?”
I was thinking the same exact thing. On the first two hits, he should have laid out. As much as I can’t stand him, Pedroia would have…
need a DP..against a hitter who is super quick
“If it was ridiculous then, why wouldn’t doing it be equally ridiculous now?”
First, it was the playoffs. This is May.
Second, Torre played favorites and that got him (and the team) in a ton of trouble. He dropped ARod but hit Sheff and Matsui in the top/middle of the order despite missing almost the entire season with injuries.
Third, please don’t EVER compare Tex with ARod. Tex is a good all-around player. ARod will go down as one of, if not THE, greatest player of all-time.
Is that too hard to understand, wise guy?
It seems like it takes Hughes 30 pitches to get out of every inning..
If players don’t fear being benched for making mental errors then why should they keep their head in the game? That’s two mental errors in two days for Swisher. Sit him down.
It’s comical to read the comments sometimes. A player makes one mistake or a pitcher allows one run and people decide he’s no good.
Try and have a little perspective. Babe Ruth struck out 1,330 times. You’re an idiot to watch one play and try to evaluate a player.
Take Phil out of the game.
What a mess of an inning
Somewhere Walter Matthau is drinking a Schlitz.
Hey guys! The Yankees are back!
gross.
Of course putting two wins together was never going to happen.
when you hear the squeaks, the wheels are comin off
bring in tomko
Just curiously, who had been catching Hughes in Scranton?
Maybe it’s a real good thing we got Tomko up!
I am not worried about Hughes in an overall sense but if for some reason he doesn’t have it tonight –
DAMN! HE’S ON MY FANTASY TEAM!
Joe, quick, the hook!
Pete, we’ve seen 30 games now. This team stinks right now. I think it’s fair to say that. I’m trying very hard to stay positive. But Major League teams don’t have innings like this. At least not good ones.
We should still win this game, right? Adam Eaton?
But I hope Joba’s spot in the rotation is safe for another week.
Hey, maybe yanks can test out tomko…
Cano never dives.
this team is very painful to watch. For years now they have been painful. I think I finally cashing in my cards and accepting that they are not a good team.
Every year it’s the same frustration since boston came back down 3 games.
That ball was smoked.
What’s the stat when they make multiple errors in a game?
Hughes is not long for this game and he shouldn’t be. There were errors but I hate to say it but he is just not impressive at all. He doesn’t have a pitch to put major leaguers away. His mostly straight fastball is not good enough to be thrown 95% of the time. He doesnt work off of anything else. He really needs to go back to the minors.
Ok, I now agree with benching Tex. He is terrible right now. At everything.
man i m droppin hughes as soon as this game is over..cause he is wreckin my fantasy team
what a disasterous inning
Very weird, bad inning.
Average fastball 91 mph. He was 94 in Detroit.
How can people have no concerns about Hughes? Since the Texas no hitter he has been absolutely dreadful.
Do you think Tex played a lot of street hockey?
Wow this just took a turn for the worse. Texeria needs to make that play
Back to the same old mediocre Yankees I see tonight.. Can this team build any momentum? Phil imploding already. I just tuned in to see 4-0 already.. God!!
To think we could have had Johan for Hughes and Kennedy. That Johan Santana whose killing people right now.
… and hughes goes back down yet again.
this team sucks.
Mama mia.
Is all.
i feel like im in a nightmare. this is not real.
ball game
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For Charleston, Manny Banelos is perfect through 3.1 innings with 7 strikeouts. No score.
F Hughes
Hughes has nothing left to learn in the second inning.
I cant remember the last time I’ve seen more 2 strike hits. Hughes appears to have absolutely no ability to put a batter away. They look at two strikes and kill the third.
Anyone not see that coming? Game over.
LOL…aaaaaaaannnnddd I’m out for the night. At least they did it early tonight so that I can do something else and not waste my time on this team.
They are just dreadful. Unless ARod hits four homers, this offense isn’t scoring.
This first 2 innings is the worst I’ve seen this team play all year.
Tex should have had TWO grounders. Swisher’s airmail throw. Wild pitches and bonehead plays by Hughes, Cervelli looking lost.
Its a disgusting display. Disgusting.
As I type this Huff goes yard.
Just awful. Words cannot discribe this crap. At least…not any words that will get through the filter.
If there was a AAAA, the Yankees would win it every year. Organization is loaded with AAAA players.
Hughes is done…….. play him off keyboard cat!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eGQ5VFt7P4
Why is it this team always falters the same day the Sox lose 14-5? This is disgusting!!
Poor Phil.
hughes is terrible. how many more chances does he get?
gah hughes seems like a lifetime minor leaguer
Well, as long as the Yanks kill adam eaton as the baltimore writers predicted . . . oh wait, the yankees don’t have any offense. or pitching.
looks like it will be a long night for tomko. let’s see what that washed-up stiff’s got.
MikeKU May 9th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
How can people have no concerns about Hughes? Since the Texas no hitter he has been absolutely dreadful.
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he’s had more good games than that one.
Get Aceves up, terrible way to back up that huge win last night
another inning of doom. they are so bad now that you have to ask if they are purposely throwing the games.. I mean this team doesn’t even look good enough to be in the minors. I mean the WHOLE team!
Trade Hughes to Twins for Santana !
No fear. Unless this inning never ends, at some point during the game the Yanks will have the tying run at the plate. Not that they’ll know what to do with it…
Tell me when Hughes has EVER worked out of trouble? Either he has it or he doesn’t. Why does Girardi have to let everyone dig not only their own grave but the team’s as well? This isn’t spring training Joe. At this point the entire team is a work in progress, you cannot afford to give this much rope to the pitching staff.
its a bleepin out
“How can people have no concerns about Hughes? Since the Texas no hitter he has been absolutely dreadful.”
You must have slept through the Detroit game?
Yeah, good point Pete. Where the heck is Eiland or Girardi? Way to let the kid hang himself. When is Eiland going to take some heat for the absolute HORRID job he has done the last two years?
Tomko time? Hopefully we win with Jobber tomorrow. 2 of 3 is disappointing but certainly a step in the right direction.
I hope after this game Girardi blasts the team. Swisher gets picked off 3rd yesterday, air mails the ball today. Tex should of had the ball right past him. Cano refuses to dive for a ball right nex to him. Besides not hitting they just look terrible in every way possible.
This inning has to do more with good hitting. Than Phil’s pitching. They’re hitting pitches that would be balls. Going with the ball.
Aceves please.
yea look at that another reason to keep my santana nightmares going
Pete Hearts Joe May 9th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
That oughta just about do it.
Thanks a lot, Phil!
The next Roger Clemens, ladies and gentlemen.
What a worthless piece of sh*t
You’re a dumba$$
well now the Yanks have to score a bunch of runs to have any shot
Scranton has a 2-1 lead. Jackson is 2-3 with a double.
Banuelos is perfect through 4 innings.
mental errors everywhere…but phil seems so fragile..if someone gets on base..he like freaks out and looses it..
Here comes the 2 hit shutout by eaton
Here comes the 2 hit shutout by eaton
Derek Jeter is the last prospect to come through the organization that actually lived up to the hype. And that was 1996…..
if this inning ever ends..goodness
yankee need to get the flubber out of their gloves.
2 out of 3 is disapointing??? 2 out of 3 gets you to the playoffs.
He needs to stay in. Can’t get much worse anyway. Why Edwar? Why not Tomko? Isn’t that what he’s up for?
it seems like the yankees make the worst teams look awesome
i still think hughes is gonna be a good pitcher…just not this start
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Yanks will climb back into this game.
if…………… Hughes can get the 3rd out
The Yankees as an organization–not the players on the field, but development and health–seem to be pretty terrible. We’re always told about great talent, and great potential, but we have… Cano? Who is the last great player we developed? Where is our Pedroia, or Ellisbury, or Lester?
When we do get decent people, they get injured. A lot. It seems like this team is always decimated by injuries. Part of that is age. But what about Hughes last year? And Joba last year? Wang last year? These are young people, but it seems like every april our team gets just decimated by injuries.
Finally, when was the last time we signed a player and they lived up even close to expectations? Pettite because we were looking for a 5th starter? Matsui, maybe? Damon actually seems better in these last two years than the first two, but for all our money, we’ve not even bought exciting baseball.
It’s not fun rooting for these guys. They’re not even lovable losers. They’re really expensive, slow losers. Who wants to pay $1250 a seat to see that?
Enjoy Scranton. Give Aveves the next start.
This kid can’t pitch at this level.
He tries but, he’s just not good enough.
Too many implosions.
Find a home for him at the deadline while teams still think he’s a prospect.
I would love to know why they are leaving Hughes out there for so long. Atleast give the team a chance agaisnt Eaton. Girardi and Eiland have been awful..
I can’t even leave my house because my next door neighbor the Mets fan is just waiting to ask me what the score is…
So much for a well rested bullpen.
Huge setback for Hughes.
soriano was pretty good…
Gee, its funny how some people where nowhere to be seen last night. But make their grand appearance back in time for tonights game when there is plenty to whine about.
and I though Wang’s last outing was bad
sabathia rests the bullpen..and phil gives it right back
At least it didn’t get out of hand.
Still a winnable game!
He should’ve left Hughes in an let him pitch the entire game and drowned.
in fact, if you blow the game you shouldn’t be able to leave, you should have to stay and smell the stink you created.
Vin, he’s on my Fantasy team too. I still believe in him so I won’t drop him. But since I’ll never get out of 10th place I guess he really can’t hurt me.
ANYONE THINK PHIL COULD BE HURT?
I mean could there be a reason that he couldn’t pitch well today? And doesn’t every pitcher have some days when he gets smashed by the opposition?
Does everyone see now why it is an absurd argument for moving Joba to the pen…
Romine is 1-1 with a double and a run scored, Montero is 1-2 with a double and RBI. Tampa leads 3-1
What is the point of taking Hughes out here?
Just let him keep going. Save the bullpen. I seriously doubt they can score 8 runs while keeping the Orioles at 7.
I can’t wait to hear what the issue was. Aside from the poor defense, Hughes could not shut it down.
The impersonators around here are the worse thing about this blog.
Just think, Yankee fans, assuming Hughes and the terrible defense don’t give up any more runs, Hughes is STILL twice as good as Wang.
After Swisher air mailed the ball he really lost it. A little fight to get out of that inning would of been nice.
*worst
Girardi should have blasted this team weeks ago. But he won’t. He has been the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of everything he promised. Teams take on the personality of their manager. And this team has done that. They are completely lifeless and just hoping that miraculously things will turn around on their own.
Gah, it sucks even more having to watch the game from the O’s announcers’ POV. A simple inning is never that and this is one of those holes that is going to be mighty hard to dig out of.
Whatever Hughes brought to the table in his first game of the season quickly evaporated. Unimpressive, unimpressive. Getting lit up like that is not the key to start a winning streak.
Why don’t our young players produce? The farm system from Tampa and Boston produces very good players. Yet ours is terrible. Why?
Just bad
SJ44 impostor aka troll.
SJ44 impostor alert.
Pete’s right on about that trip to the mound. Somewhere in that debacle there should have been timeout.
Maybe we can Decline trading PH and IPK for Alber Pujols and some real players like Dustin Pedroia and Keven Yuke, mike lowell!!!!!
hate this team and it’s bosses right now!
This isn’t all on Hughes, his team collapsed behind him. He’s young, and he was basically asked to get 5-6 outs. That’s tough to do. But he’s not finishing off batters. He’s not wasting pitches on the outside, and he isn’t mixing it up. Those are learnable things.
girardi is quickly losing his appeal with me, i know its not his fault that most of his team is either hurt and/or ineffective but some of his moves have been so obviously horrendus
that’s it!!!!! We lost!!!!! I hate ramirez.
“better late than never” is something you would rather hear said about late inning offensive comebacks, not about a manager walking to the mound signaling the bullpen in early inning pitcher implosions.
Lester is supposed to be better than Hughes. And he gave up 8 runs today.
“2 out of 3 is disapointing??? 2 out of 3 gets you to the playoffs.”
Well, 12-18 teams are not in the playoffs.
I really hope everyone here saying that 2 out of 3 is disappointing, and talking like the season is over, doesnt show up here in august and September when the team is competing for a playoff spot. This inning should have been 1,2,3 for hughes, there was only 2 hard hit balls this inning. Hughes is only 22, 23 in june. He is going to help this team, and just because he wont win this game doesnt mean we need to DFA him tommorrow, get a grip.
Is this going to be another 20 run loss or 14 run inning?
Reason why string bean is in when we have TWO LONG MEN!!!!!!!!!!!
Is it possible that someone is stealing signs? This is pretty bizarre.
monthly 2nd inning trouncing quota fulfilled
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Post curses, post crude sexual remarks or wish injuries on player.
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I dont know whats worse? Wangs implosions or Hughes? Im tired of the POTENTIAL studs coming soon from the minors. Id prefer the known than the unknowns. Meaning at least we signed two good pitchers and arent holding our breath for some youngin to become something hes not.
BTW.
VERAS
RAMIREZ
ALBA
MARTE
Need to find another home. Still think we can win this thing.
And anyway, these beginnings have been happening for a couple years now. The Yankees will turn it around, one way or another.
You watch. Our players aren’t gonna hit anything. that’s the way this team is. They could never hit the ball and back up our pitchers in a close game. This has been our downfall since 2004. Our pitching has stunk it up but i’ve always said, “hitting is what wins ballgames.”
Hughes did not have any swing and misses today. That is telling. Most overrated prospect of this decade.
Hughes is a bust, Hughes is injured, trade him, send him back to Scranton, thanks for coming but the game is over in the 2nd inning with Adam Eaton on the mound….waaaahhh! Glad to see I haven’t missed anything on this blog but the usual complaints and hysteria.
Here’s a crazy idea, why don’t we let the Yankees play the next 7 innings despite this horrific one.
I see the impersonating troll is back. Be careful of the fake names, again.
I’ve had it with Girardi. How about having your team ready to play? What’s wrong with having a veteran catcher behind the dish? They both stink. Go with the vet. I disagree with the wild pitch. Cervelli should have caught the ball. Tex should have caught the ball that went under his glove, Hughes should have been paying attention to catch the OVER throw. FIRE Girardi and hire……………Buck Showalter!
I’ve had it with Girardi. How about having your team ready to play? What’s wrong with having a veteran catcher behind the dish? They both stink. Go with the vet. I disagree with the wild pitch. Cervelli should have caught the ball. Tex should have caught the ball that went under his glove, Hughes should have been paying attention to catch the OVER throw. FIRE Girardi and hire……………Buck Showalter!
Vince May 9th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
“2 out of 3 is disapointing??? 2 out of 3 gets you to the playoffs.”
Well, 12-18 teams are not in the playoffs.
Vince,
Elementary Math taught me that 2 out of 3 = 12 and 6….
Ban the SJ imposter please.
Why Edwar? Isn’t Aceves the long man? This is stupid. Joe, don’t bring in Edwar with men on base. Bring him in to start innings. Aceves should be in. We can score some runs off of these guys at Camden. But Edwar in the 2nd inning? What next? Veras in the 3rd? Albie in the 4th? Coke in the 5th?
hughes blows.
let’s hope the yanks can rally
Poor Phil, he’s just a baby, I’m afraid everyone is going to blame him for the dreadful start. It isn’t his fault, he is:
1. NEARSIGHTED.
2. PITCHING WITH BRUISED RIBS.
3. NEEDS MORE TIME IN AAA.
“What is the point of taking Hughes out here?”
too many pitches in an inning i’m assuming. that can be just as bad as throwing too many in a game.
this game isn’t over with adam eaton pitching.
When was the last time the Yankees came back from an 8-0 deficit? I’m guessing it was when they were still the class of the AL East.
Hughes was probably taking steroids.
Here comes Girardi’s boyfriend batting practice Ramirez. The 1st of the 3 stooges. It is just comical the love that Girardi has for him and he cant do any wrong. It’s a good thing that the team has the extra infielder. Tex can now get the rest of the game off. I really hope that they let Aceves take Phil’s next start.
Banuelos’ no hitter broken up with a single in the 5th inning.
The Ghost May 9th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Tell me when Hughes has EVER worked out of trouble? Either he has it or he doesn’t. Why does Girardi have to let everyone dig not only their own grave but the team’s as well? This isn’t spring training Joe. At this point the entire team is a work in progress, you cannot afford to give this much rope to the pitching staff.
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On Monday against Boston. It could’ve been way worse that what it was.
“that’s it!!!!! We lost!!!!! I hate ramirez.”
Even if we did lose (which we haven’t) why do you hate ramirez? Are you thinking he went out and tried to pitch poorly? Are you thinking that he went out and gave it his best and tonight just didn’t work for him?
You’re supposed to root for your guys whether they are at the top of their game or the bottom. Because if you only root for them when they’re at the top, what in hell does that say about you?
until someone is able to come out of the farm system and do the job the yankees have no farm system…..this is an embarassment…..this team is a mess…200 million for this..
“Why don’t our young players produce? The farm system from Tampa and Boston produces very good players. Yet ours is terrible. Why?”
Because some people in the front office had no idea what the minor leagues where, or the draft. Once Cashman took complete control they have done better, unfortunately the majority of the talent is in the lower level of the minors
0.00 to 8.49 in 3 games.
Haha. Love the dumping on Hughes. Could he have pitched better? Did he fall apart. Yes & yes. But he had accomplices in this inning.
I’ve seen what he can do and this game doesn’t change my opinion of him.
Maybe Phil should ask Mussina how to deal with defensive lapses.
I can’t even count the amount of times this season that I haven’t had the chance to settle into my chair before all hell breaks loose…
Game is still early though.
You never know.
“I really hope everyone here saying that 2 out of 3 is disappointing, and talking like the season is over, doesnt show up here in august and September when the team is competing for a playoff spot.”
Umm, I like being optimistic too. By no means is the season over. But didn’t people say the same thing last year? This team is MORE frustrating then last year’s because of all of the big pickups. They look, and play, exactly like last year’s lifeless team.
Again, I understand optimism and I’m trying very hard to remain positive. But now is really not the time to be calling people names for pointing out the obvious with this terrible team.
Case in point: Adam Eaton is shutting them down. Sounds a lot like 2008.
This team is RIDICULOUS!!! Again, 8-9 run inning for lousy team!!! Somebody has to pay for this – and that should be clueless Girardi! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!! FIRE GIRARDI!!!
Where’s Raymagnetic? I want to hear more about how this team doesn’t need a long man.
Can our hitters do anything against Eaton besides hit weak pop ups to infielders?
Crap. That’s how it’s gonna be today. We’re getting robbed of hits.
LOL The Orioles look like world-beaters right now.
Not only is this team playing horrible baseball but they have not caught a break in weeks. This is about as bad as I can remember since the Mel Hall days.
In just 29 games so far, they have allowed a 14-run inning, a 9-run inning, an 8-run inning, two 5-run innings and more 4-run innings than I wanted to count.
I’m not getting the tough love approach by Girardi and Eiland with Hughes.
How do you not go to the mound after he hit Izturis with an 0-2 pitch.
Unfortunately though, this a huge setback for him. He melted down like he did last year.
It will be interesting to see what they do with his spot in the rotation. With Tomko here, it could be Aceves.
Two things are clear though…..Wang needs to be back ASAP and Joba is in the rotation for the season.
Always trade high!
so is Eaton going to give them 6 scoreless inning? And I was a fool, I actually felt comfortable about this being ‘an easy’ matchup tonight
Could have picked up a game on Boston. Every time they lose we lose.
Does Melvin Mora ever smile?
He always looks so angry.
Maybe its because he has sextuplets.
We’re facing Adam Eaton. I have a funny feeling that somehow, someway, we’re getting back in this game.
A guy with a 1-3 6.67 era is handling this lineup right now! What a difference a day makes. CC/Arod gave us hope last night, but wow, Hughes is terrible! 9 hits in under 2 innings.. I have no response to that. Even if the Yanks can make this respectable it doens’t take away the fact that Hughes should be sent down making this rotation suspect still… Thanks Phil for backing up CC’s great start last night..
oh no; we suck again
BLAH BLAH HUGHES HAS SO MUCH TALENT BLAH BLAH BLAH HE IMPLODES AT THE SMALLEST OF ADVERSITIES BLAH BLAH BLAH man bring back Wang and his 40 ERA i don’t care…. so what will be the excuse for Hughes this year? Another injury? Or just no balls
This team sucks!!! I cant believe its May and the season is over. If you think this team is making the playoff’s with a pitching staff like this your on crack!!!
Mental toughness. Hughes is lacking it. Bear down and take control. It’s called picking up your teammates. Bring back Buck!
Ugh – do we have to have people lecture to us constantly on how to be “appropriate” fans. Enough.
this team couldn’t hit Mark Eaton right now! (Utah Jazz)..lol
I think this Hughes’ performance in this game and Melancon’s overall performance has shown that Cashman was correct to spend money on Burnett and Sabathia. It may be that one day Yankees have some players in minors who can be successful at majors as well. However, currently, they don’t have any one like that (I am hoping that Austin Jackson can prove me wrong, but lets wait and watch). In the absence of good minor league players, Yankees have no option but to spend on free agents.
I understand that we have to be patient with younger players. However, I feel that we have given plenty of chances to Hughes and Kennedy ( Kennedy is not an option any more anyway). May be Hughes can pick up in a year or so, but he is not ready yet.
Hughes was getting squeezed by the ump.
Pete, can you ban the imposter who comes on EVERY SINGLE GAME and posts as SJ44? SJ has told us that he does not post during games. Yet this loser is here every single game posting negative crap and using SJ’s name to further his trollish and cowardly agenda.
Thanks!
Each nite, Joe Girardi puts a team on the field that is not ready to play baseball. Robbie Cano’s ganj must be legendary. Did Phil Hughes even *know* he was pitching? The playmaking, pitching is in a haze. This team is squarely Girardi’s problem.
“When was the last time the Yankees came back from an 8-0 deficit? I’m guessing it was when they were still the class of the AL East.”
When was the last time the Orioles blew an 8-run lead? I’m guessing it was like last Thursday.
I don’t know about anyone else, but I can’t wait to plop down 2 thousand dollars to watch this team play…. NOT!
do not have the game but enough on babying Hughes he has been in the majors parts of 3 seasons.. he must figure it out and be tougher. our great pitching staff had the magic for all of 1 game..
1 friggin game..
Why do you want to trade Hughes? He’s 22. By the time he’s 25 he could be shutting it down with one of our rivals.
Hughes had atleast 4 batters 0-2 each hitter reached base. Hughes can never put anyone away. Im sick of hearing how good Phil Hughes can be. The fact is he isnt any good and he better not get another start.
hughes sucks
No matter what the score is the Yanks should score runs off this loser. If they just shut it down like they always do after they get behind then they are really pathetic and Girardi should have something to say about it. Eaton is awful and they need to show a pulse in these types of games like all of the other teams do. I am not saying they could win but atleast try.
good job guys, you cant do anything against adam eaton!!!what a bunch of losers
Bet that made Eaton’s heart race a little.
Carl – we lose everytime – doesn’t matter what other teams do, we lose.
Randy hit the nail on the head yesterday.
Very few 22 year olds can pitch up here.
You can have stuff. Everybody has stuff. It’s about learning how to control your emotions, slow the game down in your mind, etc.
That’s a part of the game Hughes doesn’t do well and it really hurts him.
By the time he is 25 he will be on the shuttle from AAA to the majors, just like randy choate
What if the Yanks win this game.
All these kids cursing, what will they do?
It is only third inning and it can still happen.
shocking edwar let 1 of 2 inherited runners score.
edwar sucks, if he does not get ahead in the count and have guys chase his change he has no chance…..
“If they just shut it down like they always do after they get behind then they are really pathetic”
You talking about the players or some of the people here?
But he has a good change-up!
If Brett Tomko is here, then why the heck is Edwar Ramirez pitching in the 3rd inning? Doesn’t Girardi know by now that Ramirez (and Veras for that matter) is NOT a long man?
phil hughes is a triple a pitcher until he proves otherwise…Scranton has a good team….but they cannot produce in the majors
can AROD hit an 8 run HR next inning?
I think they give Hughes his next start. He deserved better that inning. Hard to send him packing on such a low note.
Not that I would object to giving Aceves a start. He seems to be able to at least limit damage like we just saw.
If Wang is indeed making his next start somewhere beyond Tampa then he could be back by the end on May. Lets keep our fingers crossed he comes back ready to compete kike his old self.
Trisha,
This is me. Business dinner got cancelled and I’d figure I’d hang out for a little while in here.
How are all of these runs earned?
How can anyone write off a 22 year old pitcher?
How can you not be optimistic it is still May, and have yet to have their entire team together for one inning. Once teams start falling out of it Cashman can see who is available and make a trade if needed, but there is nothing he can do because guys are hurt. Bruney was taking over the 8th inning role before getting hurt, posada looked like he was about to go on a good streak. Alot of us, myself included, go spoiled with the dynasty from 96-00. That team was built through the system, and pieces were added to compliment them, not necessarily all stars, but guys who could contribute. After 01 and 02, George panicked and needed the all stars and didnt let guys like Gene Michael, and others let them keep the farm system stacked, he wanted the big names, and this is the result, that dynasty core is past their prime, and the farm was trashed so now it is being rebuilt from the gound up. it takes time.
well i guess the good news is that we could package hughes in a trade and probably get someone really good..i kid i kid
Yankees aren’t winning this game. They’ll make Eaton look like Cy Young and the pen is good for at least five more runs. What? All the sudden our pen will shut the down for 8 innings and we’re going to start hitting? Please. This is ridiculous, I can’t believe the Yankees thought people would pay thousands of dollars a game to watch this slop.
Edwar is terrible why is he still in the majors? And better yet, why is he the long man!!
Come on, Edwar, we need to keep this in single digits.
the yankees are so attracted to being .500
meh
I guess the wind streams followed the Yankees to Baltimore
can the media start pushing Giradi’s buttons? I think they’ve been way too nice to him
I’ll never understand the love Girardi has for Edwar.
It’s one of those headscratchers.
Randy I & GB, I like you played & have been watching baseball for many years….I just could never understand how a young pitcher can be so dominating and then 10 days later look so helpless…Of course part of the learning curve is how to pitch out to the game situations, but man Phil was all over the place tonight…..
People on this board are ridiculous. Who will start in Hughes’s place? Yeah, he didn’t pitch well, but his team let him down. A couple of weakly hit grounders get through the infield and the defense completely breaks down. Maybe Hughes got rattled, but you can’t put all blame on him. I thought his stuff looked good during the first inning…hitting 93-94 mph.
I think the bigger problem here is our inability to score runs against a scrub like Eaton.
As yet another batter hits the “great” change up 500 feet…Robertson where are you??!!
Lets get some runs here boys…lets get some runs!
SJ44 (the real one)
May 9th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
Trisha,
This is me. Business dinner got cancelled and I’d figure I’d hang out for a little while in here.
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I take it that you’ve seen your Bizarro twin on here tonight.
Edwar isn’t the Long Man, he’s the Thin Man.
Joe Girardi is confused.
Dude, some of you guys are certifiably insane. Yeah Phil had a bad start, he sucks, let’s trade him and send him down, he’ll never be any good. What you’re doing is the reactionary equivalent of beating your fists crying that he should be signed to a 10-year extension IMMEDIATELY, after his shutout vs DET.
One frustrated sentiment I will echo though, I can’t even begin to imagine where Girardi’s head is at nowadays. Why is Edwar in the game right now (and giving up more runs as we speak, awesome) with 2 long men on the roster? Does he even have any clue what moves he is making anymore? I think the pressure is getting to him. Between his odd, paranoid in game moves and some of the odd call-ups/send downs so far this year, I’m not sure I quite understand what page the decision makers are on with anything lately.
Texeira is going to hit an HR this inning, ala 2005 ARod.
“By the time he is 25 he will be on the shuttle from AAA to the majors, just like randy choate.”
At this rate, Hughes won’t have any options left when he’s 25.
maybe there isn’t a wind tunnel, the Yanks pitching just sucks
HELLO?????? CASHMAN IS THE ONE WHO PUT THIS NIGHTMARE TOGETHER. AN UNLIMITED BANKROLL AND THIS IS THE BEST HE CAN DO. FIRE HIS A**!
Phil’s major problem is he doesn’t have an out pitch. After getting to 0-2 it takes him 5 or more pitches to put someone away. The last 2 games his fastball has been nothing special. He needs to go to the minors and work either on an out pitch. Right now he isn’t fooling anyone. It is hard because he is too good for AAA so it is hard to work on pitches but he isn’t good enough for the minors right now.
hey, if we hit a three run homer we will only be down six runs!!!!
9-0 now. Who would have expected this tonight. I sure the heck didn’t.. This is just very disappointing and makes me sick to think this team has the guts to put away these mediocre teams. This is just like the beginning season series. The O’s handed them their azzes them too.. I don’t want to hear about whiners either cause there’s plenty of reason to whine now!!
Want to hear something really sad? Gun to you head, who do you want in the rotation right now. Pavano or Hughes?
As good as last night’s game was this cluncker is worse. Like last year, no consistency with this team. Nobody has a clue how to sustain a winning streak.
miller time, it’s not that the Yankees aren’t winning that bother’s me, it’s how they are losing. They are losing ugly and not playing fundamental baseball. There are way too many plays where 1,2 and sometimes 3! players do not have their head in the game. That has to point to the coaching staff. I can’t remember if Girardi has benched a player to send a message other than that one time he did it with Cano last year and that came about 2 months too late. He needs to get command of that clubhouse and make the guys understand that maybe if they don’t have the talent to win every night they better start showing the effort.
I’m afraid this might happen to joba tomorrow.
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....ent-780959
Told Ya!!! LOL
the 2009 yankee pattern so far. a pitcher that has an era of 5+ means the yankees cannot score against them
I don’t understand the yankees reluctance to release edwar ramirez. He and Veras are both horrible. How many more games like this will it take for them to come to this conclusion?
Girardii should be fired. They have to shake things up. This team has no soul.
The pitching has to get better.
It’s not a great offense but, it’s a little nuts to ask them to come back from 9 runs down, regardless of who is pitching.
190BA yikes!!!
Joba will be good tomorrow.
Impressive out by Hughes. Where’s the imbecile that predicted a no hitter for Hughes this weekend? Good call dummy. I guess Eaton only beats NY Teams.
RS I am thinking that Girardi put a short reliever in in order to have the long man maybe close out the game since the biggest complaint is with the end of the game.
Just a thought.
But anyway, I think I’ll catch you all later since I understand how it is to have off days and days when I am just not at my best and I understand how difficult it is to get a job done when you are dealing with a lot of fill ins, and I really don’t feel like listening to the forum sanhedrin’s haughtiness, nastiness, and ugliness.
GO YANKEES!
Let’s start chipping away
Hughes was pitching a no-hitter against Texas. He had a 1 hit shutout for 7 innings against the Indians. Won a playoff games. The only pitcher to do well for us that series. 6 inning shutout of Detroit last week. Could have gone out for another inning. If the Yanks offense had not been out there 30 minutes. Oh and the last game he pitched against Toronto last year where gave up 1 run in 7 innings I think. So stop saying he can’t cut it here.
Love the apologists on here, no matter what it isn’t Hughes fault. This guy should have been on the first bus to Minnesota two seasons ago.
Don’t anyone compare Joba to Hughes. Ever. That is insulting to Joba.
Pat M
May 9th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Randy I & GB, I like you played & have been watching baseball for many years….I just could never understand how a young pitcher can be so dominating and then 10 days later look so helpless…Of course part of the learning curve is how to pitch out to the game situations, but man Phil was all over the place tonight…..
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Stan Bahnsen in his 2nd year was like this, too. Follow a great game with two bad ones.
who thinks cashman should be fired?
Brilliant move by the Yankees; send down Dave Robertson but keep Ed Ramirez up.
With these kind of head scratching moves it feels like they purposely want to lose.
Maybe Edwar is the next one out…so you mine as well get what you can, while you still have him?
Most expensive minor league team ever.
Somebody’s going to get fired by the end of the season.,.
hughes is a afraid to make a mistake….the last two games he has pitched he has pitched too tentatively…the game in detroit he as a totally different pitcher who attacked the tigers….
Giardi is a f tard and edwar sucks
Yankee fans have no patience. That is why our cast off pitchers are producing for other clubs. It takes time to develop young pitchers. If they are dominating in AAA, they need to be given TIME to develop in the majors before being slammed back down in the minors.
Hi SJ! Good luck with the debbie downers. You really deal with that stuff much better than I ever could.
See ya later.
lol 2 walks with no outs with a huge lead is not what you want to do if you’re Eaton
Somebody who can remember better than I can…but wasn’t Hughes hitting 94-95 in the first inning against the Sox?
Watching Rodriguez on the bases will be interesting, especially on a grounder.
Dee May 9th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
the 2009 yankee pattern so far. a pitcher that has an era of 5+ means the yankees cannot score against them
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Ever since I could remember watching them. This always seemed to be the case. Or pitchers making their debuts. I know it’s all in my head. But just seemed that way.
Pat M,
I think I give Aceves the next start.
Tomko can be the long guy.
He can minimize bad innings, especially early in games.
For a team trying to find it’s way, this Is a killer performance.
So what are the odds that someone gets a hit here? Probably as high as getting a DP…
carl
May 9th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Joba will be good tomorrow.
Nah he’ll give up 4 runs in the first drill someone and be out in the 5th and Kay will cream himself about how great Joba was. Has Hughes been named the player of the game yet?
“CASHMAN IS THE ONE WHO PUT THIS NIGHTMARE TOGETHER. AN UNLIMITED BANKROLL AND THIS IS THE BEST HE CAN DO”
This statement proves the problem with some, not all, yankee fans. Money doesnt buy you a championship. I am not defending Cashman, however he has been handcuffed until he took control over. When George was around more, it was get me the best free agent no matter what the price, which we then would lose our draft pick in the first round. Then if the team had a prospect come up, we would trade him for a middle reliever or 4th outfielder that didnt help. Yes, the Yankees should be at the top or near it (top 2 or 3), but they still need to have a farm system to fall back on. The theory of the rest of the Majors being the Yanks minor league doesn’t work.
The Yankees don’t like Saturday. The 22 run game against Cleveland, the AJ implosion at Fenway, letting things get away against Anaheim in the 7th inning last week, and then tonight. This all after winning their first Saturday game at KC. It’s one of those weird quirks. Of course, it’s not like they’re playing great the rest of the days, but they implode on Saturday.
Phil is teh suck!!!!
Phil is teh wurst!
And not the yummy bratwurst, the yucky liverwurst.
I haven’t been this angry since…. grrrr, actually Ken Singleton kissing up to the cast of “Northern Exposure” is making me even angrier.
Time to bring back Buck Showalter and his winter warm up jacket in 90 degree heat.
Alright. Alright.
Lets get some runs…
tommy May 9th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Impressive out by Hughes. Where’s the imbecile that predicted a no hitter for Hughes this weekend? Good call dummy. I guess Eaton only beats NY Teams.
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Here.
And he’s proven he could pitch close to one.
bases loaded.
It looks like the real Adam Eaton has arrived…let’s knock this scrub out of the game!!
If they don’t get a couple runs this inning, then the team really stinks!
If they do not get a run in this inning then I give up. Once again Eaton has a 7.18 era and the Yanks have 1 hit so far…They need to put pressure on the pitchers they face!! Lets get some runs…
Bases loaded. That’s not good for us. LOL
Ramirez is good when your starter has been throwing gas for 7 innings. That’s it.
In this situation he’s like throwing gas on a fire.
IMO he’s the first to drop out of the 3-legged race that’s going on between him, Alby and Veras. Unless somehow they convince Pedro to be his personal pitching coach.
Eaton is nibbling.
I think Cashman should have been fired loooong ago for the following reasons;
Randy Johnson,
Gary Sheffield,
Javier Vaquez,
Not because he brought all these players in, but because he traded them for…..nothing.
Where’s the young, athletic talent in the outfield? Where’s the live arms in the bullpen?
Nowhere.
Meanwhile, Adam Eatan walks the bases loaded with a 9 run lead.
Tonight is a clinic on how not to pitch.
“Time to bring back Buck Showalter and his winter warm up jacket in 90 degree heat.”
If Cash goes, I would like to see him in the GM role, I think he could do very well, since i think he helped build the late 90s team, before he was let go
SJ…I’m with you Aceves should get the next start in Hughes’ spot.
yay, we scored.
THE YANKEES SCORE WITH THE BASES LOADED> THE YANKEES SCORE WITH BASES LOADED. There’s still hope.
There is 1 run! Now we just need 8-9 more.
Let’s see how the pathetic losers figure out how NOT to score in this inning…
Geez… I think I’ll turn off John & Suzyn and read my book. Or watch the NBA…
“.I just could never understand how a young pitcher can be so dominating and then 10 days later look so helpless”
pat m-
i think when the ground ball went by teixeira and swisher airmailed the throw without hughes picking it up the game speeded up for both hughes and cervelli.
people are always saying pitchers have nothing else to learn at triple a. learning how to slow down the game when it speeds up is a skill best learned in the minors.
mlb players go for the jugular when they see a pitcher who loses his cool. there was nothing stopping cervelli or an infielder from going to the mound and slowing down hughes.
no one did.
i agree this is odd with girardi and eiland because even if they can’t go to the mound they can signal an infielder to do it for them. jeter is the captain afterall.
the first inning was a circus and it wasn’t just hughes.
Cano continues to blow with RISP.
I think Cashman should have been fired loooong ago for the following reasons;
Randy Johnson,
Gary Sheffield,
Javier Vaquez,
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Sheffield was George’s call.
……and he hits in a double play. Shocking.
Oh no way we hit into a double play. Cano is clutch!
“Meanwhile, Adam Eatan walks the bases loaded with a 9 run lead.
Tonight is a clinic on how not to pitch.”
SJ, I bet that’s what the home plate umpire is saying to himself, but with some profanity mixed in.
they got one off eaton! cupcakes for everyone!
thats 2 DP for robbie cano…dont chu dare hit into another DP.
one run…just chip away, they’ll get there.
Wow Cano is so worthless right now. What a joke. They could have gotten back in the game that inning and he bailed them out.
Cano didn’t slam his helmet like he was really upset.
You can’t go through the motions like that in the big leagues.
DFA him.
spoke too soon
how is it that Adam Eaton can limit the damage, and the ‘Great’ Phil Hughes can’t?
No balls.
way to try to pull that outside pitch Cano. More bad baseball. That’s how Cano gets lazy – trying to pull everything.
Zach Greinke’s season line when he was a 2 year old, pitching his 2nd ML season: He had 24 big league starts under his belt to begin the year, one more than Hughes has now.
33 GS; 5 W 17 L; 188 IP 233 Hits 114 K 53 BB; 5.80 ERA
And he hit 13 batters!
I’m not saying Phil HUghes is going to grow into Zach Grekinke, but the kid is still only 22 years old. And he was more dominating in the minors as a 19 yeard old than Greinke was. Greinke even pitched over 100 innings as a 22 year old at AA and was not great shakes.
My point is that guys who can even hold there own at AA ball as 19 year olds (let alone in the bigs) are precious and scarce. You don’t sell them low.
Why is Edwar still in the game? Fire Girardi
And that folks is why pitching and not offense is the only thing that can save this season. If the pitching doesn’t improve, they are in deep trouble.
It’s simply an awful offensive team with RISP.
That’s all I have tonight. Let’s hope Joba can come up big tomorrow.
OK Zach, but who did we get in the Sheffield trade? An injured AAA player. And, we knew he was injured when we traded for him. Yankees haven’t made a good trade since David Justice in ’99.
As I just said 1 hit threw 4 inning, 7.18 era. This joke of an offense is lucky to score a run with the bases loaded. When Cano is not on fire he is very hard and pathetic to watch. He starts feeling for the ball so he loses patience and just swings at anything in sight.
ughhhhhh I’ll take a 2 inning break; hopefully there’s one of those huge combacks but judging by Robby’s at bad…well
At this point I’m starting to think Cavs vs Hawks game would actually be more suspensful than this.
Yankees need to get a Larry Bowa pull doll in the dugout to shout at Cano when he falls into his bad habits.
“Cano didn’t slam his helmet like he was really upset.”
Actually I thought it showed great skill in the way he got it to bounce up straight in the air like that. You can’t teach that.
Miller Time, I agree that Buck helped lay the foundation for those teams but I like him on the field. I still remember when he went nose to nose with Larussa when he was with the A’s in the middle of a game. They were jawing from the dugouts and the next thing you know there both going at each other behind homeplate.
Hughes and Joba should not be pitching back to back in the Yankees rotation. They’ll kill the bullpen. Monday is an offday. Hopefully Girardi can figure out a way to reshuffle the rotation after that.
what’s kind of funny is the orioles manager and pitching coach look worried.
they must know something we don’t know.
But probably not, because it’s Girardi. He is more concerned about being deceptive to the media
that Sheffield trade was a plus just because he would have been dead weight on the team, he obviously hasnt done much since he got traded
I am pretty sure nobody here cares, but Jim Palmer is doing the O’s broadcast and just said hughes has major league stuff, and just needs experience. that is a hall of fame pitcher, so i think he might know a little bit about pitching.
what’s up with teixeirea not going for that ball?
Something drastic needs to happen with this team. This is just not acceptable. Adam Freakin’ Eaton? Really? One hit off Adam Frickin’ Eaton???? A fifth of the season is gone, and we continue to look like the worst team in baseball. It’s beyond belief how bad they are. It’s beyond belief how much they suck with men in scoring position. And I haven’t even gotten to the pitching yet… It may not be Girardi’s fault, but someone has to be held accountable for this disaster.
The O’s have some good young players and really haven’t made a bad trade since the debacle that is the John Maine-Kris Benson trade. The Bedard trade was incredible. They have a strong farm system and they’ll be pretty good and ready to compete in two years. In 2 years A-Rod will start to decline and Captain No Range will continue to try to play SS.
SJ44, We need a password to assure us of your identity…I was to include in my question to Tin Cup & GB, however I refuse to feed any of the mutitude of idiots and quitters that over run this site when things fall to be perfect…It has always astounded me that a kid with so much talent and upside can just be lights out and just lose it….I know one of the key lessons is to learn to adjust to the game as it’s being played….Sometimes I think I’m too close to the Hughes & Kennedy situation to see it clearly….
please please let edwar and veras go. bring back robertson and melancon.
Texiera has totally lost his mental approach to the game, something must be done.
brain fart
“I am pretty sure nobody here cares, but Jim Palmer is doing the O’s broadcast and just said hughes has major league stuff, and just needs experience. that is a hall of fame pitcher, so i think he might know a little bit about pitching.”
Palmer said the same thing last year. He loves Hughes.
Any reason why Edwar is in the game still?
Cano has to make up his mind: Yankee or yo-yo champion? No more two-sport athletes.
EDWAR!!!
Why? Is this his long goodbye?
lou montanez just it a homerun off of you. What the heck is girardi and cashman thinking. Fire them both.
great, more runs to ‘chip away at’
well it has just went from game night to movie night.
I hate home run sirens. They remind me too much of tornado sirens.
Tex doing his best Betimit impersonation?
Are we close to seeing the end of the Edwar era?
“Hughes and Joba should not be pitching back to back in the Yankees rotation. They’ll kill the bullpen”
i said that last week.
even when they pitch well they rarely get past the 5th inning.
when they are good they are good.
when they are bad, they are very very bad.
Twenty Three, yea I agree with you, i know my post made it sound like i did not want him in the dugout, but if he was willing i would be more than happy with that, i just kind of got the feeling he didnt want to manage anymore, but if he is up for it, then i say bring him back
Re: Cashman
-Kevin Brown
-Kei Igawa
-Carl Pavano
-Jeff Weaver
-Javier Vazquez
-Randy Johnson
Those are just starting pitchers. Need I say more? Going to defend him with Aaron Small? Shawn Chacon?
Tex with another mistake…I really hope this team has a talking to after the game. How many 600 foot bombs does Ramirez have to give up for Girardi to say maybe this guy does stink. Yanks should of gotten Pinella when they had the chance.
Edwar-the hope was to limit the damage. Not make it worse.
Does anybody have any idea why this team can’t hit with RISP? They just had bases loaded with no outs, and all they could muster was one lousy run. I think Cano needs to be benched for a couple of games. He looks like he’s dogging it again. Is there anyone who thinks a new manager and coaching staff might be needed? Given how this team has such high profile players, they may need an older manager with a track record of success like a Davey Johnson. Girardi is too young and was a teammate of several of the players.
They should leave Ramirez in for the rest of the game…let his arm fall off and then release him.
Can someone tell me why Edwar Ramirez is still in the Major Leagues with the Yankees? He’s not of caliber. That’s pretty obvious right now. I don’t even know if Girardi is a good enough manager to coach their rookie league team to be honest. Why not try Tomko after Hughes? Edwar again, the home run giving up machine? The batting practice pitcher himself? And Cashman bro, if a roster move hasn’t been made with Edwar, Alba, or Veras, anytime soon… you r truly clueless
Why exactly is Ramirez still on the mound giving up bombs and throwing 30+ pitches when Aceves and Tomko are perfectly rested on the bench?
If you can’t use your long man when your starter is knocked out in the 2nd inning, when can you use him?
Fire the manager. Tomorrow. Get someone who can actually manage major league players in there. Get someone who can actually help young pitchers get from one appearance to the next without crapping the bed.
This team’s not even ready for Spring Training yet.
Enough is enough.
I can’t even make fun at the Sox tonight.. 11-zip is actually worse consider the team we are playing
Send ramirez down to work with the pitching guru billy connors
…and, yes, I would have said this last night as well.
Edwar’s got nothing left to learn about giving up bombs.
Texiera is a mess in the field. He can’t even get his glove an any ball cleanly. They should get his eyes checked. There is something wrong with him, maybe his wrist is really hurting and he’s too much of a tough guy to admit it.
any reason why Edwar is in the game of baseball still?
Time to get 10+ runs.
Every day that passes with the current management in place is another day we’re giving the season away.
Fire Girardi tonight.
At what point do the yankees try something other than edwar and jose veras. Robertson was never given a chance… again, They DFA Steven Jackson (who also never got a chance) in favor of keeping Angel Berroa and today they DFA Eric Hacker. Are they trying to get older instead of younger??
damn when they lose i mean THEY LOSE wow I wouldn’t mind to lose like this once in a great while but seems like more than half our losses are by blow outs. Edwar and Veras need to be sent down when Bruney and Marte come back.
I love melky though. He’s amazing.
That Nissan Cube is ugly…IMO
edwar with a over 6 era. he either strikes the guy out, walks him, or gives up a hr. his hr’s per innings pitched is way to high to be a effective MLB pitcher, when are they going to get rid of him?????????????????????????????
what does he need to do to get DFA’d?????????????
The guy cannot get it doen, he gave up 4 runs already 3 of his own… Groundhog day with this guy, get rid of him now…………………………..
cano with some more clutch ab’s.. how pathetis is it that the sux balding, 5 ft 7, 2b is so much better then cano it is a joke.. cano hits when it does not mattere………..
RS: Girardi should’ve brought Aceves or Tomko in when the game was still winnable. As soon as the O’s were up 7-0, why bother? At that point, Joe made the right move and started mopping up. Frankly, I hope Rambo stays in ’til his arm falls off.
Melky ain’t quitting.
“Edwar-the hope was to limit the damage. Not make it worse”
Come one, did you really think he would keep the score where it was at?
I am not the first to say it, but Tex needs a day off to just take a breath and settle down. either drop a reliever, and bring up miranda, or play swisher there and stick melky in lf and gardner in cf for a game.
What most of you dont understand when you say were 27 games into a season, is really, were 3-6 seasons into the same garbage that the Yankees do, not get runners from 3rd w less than 2 out for example
They must plate Melky. Have to rough up Eaton, get into their pen. Make this game interesting.
Sigh.
man on 2nd no outs for the yanks, any chance we score a run?????
lmao nice cervelli
“Edwar’s got nothing left to learn about giving up bombs.”
Unfortunately, he’s a professor with tenure.
Cano is really hard to figure out. He is either really good or really bad. Nothing inbetween. I don’t know if he is very immature or what but the lack of patience really kills him in those spots. Since he will chase a lot of pitches.
C’mon Cervie…move him over to 3rd at least.
Tex has generally been fine in the field, the Ghost.
Would kind of like Cashman talk to the media tonight. I want to hear what the game plan is for the farm system (other than producing overrated after overrated after overrated prospects)
The lineup where leadoff doubles go to die.
it saddens me that whenever i feel like this team is about to turn the corner…the starter fives up 8 runs and then girardi brings in ramirez so he can give up another 3
This is my first comment of this season. Goddammit, what is going on here? My patience is wearing thin.
randy l -
That makes sense (too many pitches in an inning).
“What most of you dont understand when you say were 27 games into a season, is really, were 3-6 seasons into the same garbage that the Yankees do, not get runners from 3rd w less than 2 out for example”
What most of the other people dont understand is that this is the roster that multiple people in the front office put together. They, George, wanted the HR hitters, not the guys who can hit and run, bunt a guy over. They wanted the guy to come up, swing hard, and put one in the seats. Sure there are maybe 2 or 3 guys on the roster who can do the small things, but let’s say jeter and/or damon gets on base with no outs, with Tex, Arod, Matsui, Posada, etc., coming up behind them, they are not gonna risk a double steal, or ask Tex or one of them to drop a bunt down. it will be a few years before the yankee roster gets to that point
Someone please explain to me why Edwar is on this team.
He gives up runs in close games and blow outs. There has to be someone else to give a chance. Edwar has been given enough opportunities. Next!
wow johnny only guy who seems like he wants to play lately
Damon you are the man. Edwar you suck.
We’re back down to single digits people.
SINGLE DIGITS!
Charleston takes the lead in the bottom of the 7th, 2-0 on a 2 run homer by Melky Mesa, his 8th so far.
They only get hits with no one on base or with 2 outs. There RISP numbers have been very poor for the last couple of years. It is always the homerun swing and trying to do too much. They have changed some of the cast of characters but it always stays the same. I wonder what it is?!!! Maybe they need to get more players from Boston like Damon..as I type because they don’t feel the pressure.
Damon- the only guy in the lineup that actually gives a damn.. Nice job Johnny!!
Why does Dave Eiland still have a job? He’s proven nothing as Yankee pitching coach.
Chip, Chip, Chip….. (let me dream)
If we lose by 3 then this lands on Girardi’s shoulders
Still outs to be had though.
Go Johnny!!!
Johnny is in a contract year.
Damon homers. Now we just need 8+ runs
Thank you Johnny Damon! Someone is still here to play.
Keep it going.
almost 80% of the yankee bullpen have been other teams garbage that they DFA’d
Tex!!!
well down 7..a rod your turn
Tex!
Chip, Chip, Chip….. (still dreaming)
back to back to back??
Early in the season and injuries are mitigating factors, but the inability to perform well at pivotal times makes me think this team is destined to be an also ran again this year
Mental mistakes/lack of concentration (last night Swisher falls asleep and gets picked off third, tonight he airmails a throw from RF when the runner had stopped at third, and Hughes doesn’t even watch the ball, like he’s in a trance, Cano won’t dive for balls etc, etc)
Lack of just going the other way and getting quality at bats in big situations
It’s chronic
Too many close games are lost based on poor performance in pivotal situations
Just doesn’t feel like a team that has the character and mental toughness to win consistently
Bout friggen time he starts making his money!!
Zach in Port Jeff May 9th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
We’re back down to single digits people.
SINGLE DIGITS!
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Hey, this isn’t basketball!!
Don’t slow down now, Yankees.
Remember, you need to win by 2.
lol wow almost!
I have a weird feeling that a dave is about to post a 2000 word op-ed piece.
nvmmm
GB…have you seen Mesa and if so is Damon a good comp?
11-4 coming back!, useless home run by Tex.
Tex gets a high meatball and he actually hits it!! It would of been nice if they did some of that the last inning. Arod just missed that one. The O’s manager was nervous with the big lead because he knows that Eaton stinks. He needs a 10 run lead to win a game.
Edwar gives up 3 runs.
pure suck where is the long man Joe??
Whether he’s to blame or not, Girardi’s gotta go. Now. This team needs to be shaken up. Pete was impressed by how loose this team is. But that’s the thing: They’re not loose. They’re complacent.
(Also, Joe is very much to blame. He has next to no clue about when and how to use relievers. Not to mention, continuing to bat Tex third is almost criminal. This last homer be damned.)
it better be tomko or acseves
OK now. Some life but this game should be 7-4.
7 to 4 look a lot better then 11 to 4..
edwar has been given enought time he is not going to make it move on from him.. they need to shake up this country club..
shake up the country club………
Zach…lol
Pat M,
Things dont fail to go perfectly for the Yankees. OVer the last several years, the Yankees do not make adjustments, that is whats so horrific. Still cant get runners home from 3rd with less than 2 out. Still are not good at getting batters out in 2 strike counts though the Red Sox easily get strikeouts. Still cant get our strikeout pitchers to strike out batters with runners on 3rd and less than 2 out. the list goes on Pat. 27 games into the season, it looks like 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, and until something changes, 2010, 2011, 2012 and beyond.
Tex and his protector are both under the Mendoza line……
edwar still in!? omg
god damit…this kid is not a long reliever
doreen -
he was getting pretty close to 40 pitches in the second inning and he only had two outs.
Why is AAA garbage still pitching?!!! They still have Tomko, Aceves, Alba..I don’t get it.
wow hes still in the game? LONG MAN JOE LONG MAN
and here comes edwar to give the orioles their runs back
almost 80% of the yankee bullpen have been other teams garbage that they DFA’d
… You have to take a chance and every once in a while you find a gem, like Bruney.
is this the ol’ lets throw your arm out and then cut you tomorrow?
Edwar again? Seriously?
More Edwar????
Couldn’t they have just left a horse head in his locker or something?
Terry from NH — that’s not true. Eiland proved he could go an entire spring training and not see that CMW had no arm, leg or hip strength and shouldn’t have been anywhere near a big league mound.
Joe must Go, Joe Must Go, Joe Must Go!
OK, let’s take a deep breath and see if Edwar can put up a goosegg
sure thats fine…u keep the gem…but toss the freakin trash..veras and ramirez are just takin up spots of our minor league kids who could gain valuable experience and possibly not give up 3 runs an inning
“Unfortunately, he’s a professor with tenure.”
That was pretty good.
Walk it off Blue!
I am long time reader of this blog but I havent commented before because I wasnt sure I could add anything…until now.
Whenever someone expects Girardi or Cashman to take responsibility for the failures of this team, people defend them by saying it is the player’s job to play. Well after the past two nights, I have to disagree.
I think everyone can agree that on paper, this team has a great deal of talent. However, the effort is clearly lacking with last night’s bottom of the 10th inning and tonight’s bottom of the 9th as clear examples.
Mark Teixeira had the tieing run on third with less than 2 outs last night and he weakly popped up with a 2-0 cout no less. Tonight, down two runs, Matsui swung weakly at the 2nd pitch he saw, Cano weakly swung at the 1st pitch he saw and Swisher, our most patient hitter, swung at the first 3 pitches and then took a pitch right down the middle to strike out.
If we can all agree that this team has the talent, than it is clear that those at bats are simply unacceptable in the effort department.
Teixeira has to decide that getting that tieing run home is the most important thing in his entire life at that moment and the three hitters tonight have to decide that they are not just out to fill a column as Ken Singleton would say, but that they actually care about trying to still win the game.
And at that point, it has to come back to Girardi and Cashman. If I was Joe, after last night’s weak popout and then seeing Tex completely give away another runner at third with less than 2 outs in the first inning today, I would have waited until the beginning of the next inning, walked out to the field and removed Tex from the game. I would have then sent message up to the guys in the booth that the reason he was being removed was because he didnt put forth the effort required to keep his position on the field.
The reason these players dont perform to expectations is because they lack any real fear. They arent afraid of not getting paid and they arent afraid of failing to win. The only thing that can make these guys think twice is a fear of embarassment or a fear of not playing. And I think if Girardi makes it clear that if you cant value a runner on third with less than two outs, you should be embarassed and you deserve to not play.
Finally, Cashman has to take a role in fixing this team immediately.
He cant wait for a trade market to develop or try to get some kind of discount. Right now, he is in a unique position. With the economy in the tank, he doesnt have to be fleeced to get another catcher or some bullpen help.
He can just offer to take a contract off a team’s hand to save that team from paying it. Now is the perfect time, go out and get a Bengie Molina so the Giants can clear 6 million or get a Scott Schoenweiss who is owed 4 million.
There are probably others that teams would be desperate for us to take so they can clear payroll.
Either way you look at it, this team has the talent to suceed, they just need some guidance to help achieve those goals.
If Girardi and Cashman cant do that, then maybe it is me to find someone who can do the job.
Several weeks ago, people were calling for Eric Duncan to get a chance.
Now he’s hitting .227. Diffenet year, same story. He digs a hole and never gets out of it.
Vader
May 9th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
GB…have you seen Mesa and if so is Damon a good comp?
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Not really. He has Alfonso Soriano type kills, except that he’s actually a very good outfielder with spped to play all three outfield spots. He’s not as fast, but, he could steal 20 a year. Built sort of like Kirby Puckett, but, a bit taller.
Who is the person behind these awful roster moves? Someone needs to be fired…
Like everyone has reiterated, why keep guys with some potential (Robertson, Melancon, etc.) in the minors or on the bench, and continue to toss career minor leaguers such as Veras and Ramirez…
He’ll be black and blue tomorrow
now edwar decides to pitch good, lil too late kid
randy l -
how long do you think Dave Eiland is on this team? I think Girardi might get spared a bit, but, so far, I haven’t seen a lot from our pitching coach. I understand he can’t throw the pitches, but especially tonight, Hughes is still raw meat – what else is a pitching coach there for? I know they don’t always necessarily say anything meaningful, but a visit to the mound can allow the guy to get a breather.
now outa nowhere he K’s their first 2 hitters..gahhhhh
Ill give credit. Good inning Edwar.
im okay, are you a distant relative of dave?
my last post is a repost from a couple days ago.
ramirez’s era came down to 5.52..
Well, Edwar did his job that inning. Can we now call it a night for him?
i’m okay, you’re okay, but your internet connection must be a little slow
zach,
who is dave?
GB…3-4 years away or sooner?
damit…they took out eaton, that was out shot
Edwar kills me. There is a reason he couldn’t get into the Angels’ organization with a search warrant.
Dutch Hugo, not sure what you are pertaining too in your post??
Chip away… one HR at a time. Apparently.
lol.
wow where was this with men on base few innings ago, least this team isn’t givin up..gotta like that
im okay, my bad, i had you mistaken for somebody else.
Swish!!
lets just all hit solo homers
Chip, Chip, Chip…….
Swishy! Now down 6 runs
Looks like this one is being played in the new YS.
Gotta love the clutch HRs by the Yanks
Edwar laughs in the face of us LoHud loser!
Then he remembers the runs he gave up and we all cry together.
Just imagine if it was 8-5 right now! (I’m giving Edwar a break on that last Hughes run).
Keep chipping away!
Just tuned in to see the lopsided score. I would have to disagree respectfully with those who say this is final word on Phil Hughes, that he’ll never be serviceable, let alone good, and the like. Common sense would tell us that developing young pitching is a process that seldom goes without a hitch. If the Blue Jays had operated under the same what-have-you-done-for-me-lately premise, Roy Halladay would be pitching somewhere other than Toronto. How many times have posters here admired outstanding young pitchers on other teams and wished the Yankees had some of their own that they could develop? Well, they do and they are. Everyone loved Phil in Detroit when he was lights out. Do people really believe that was a fluke? He is 22 years old. Twenty-two. Based on his history to date, I have confidence that he will be able to meet this new challenge and move to the next level of development as a pitcher.
Pete, judging by this blog, the public schools obviously did very well by you. I’m no math wiz, but it does seem that the Yankees been on the wrong end of a lot of blowouts since the season started.
I hope after this season (or better yet, during), Selig contracts the Yankees. Then I can start rooting for the Pirates or the Nationals–teams that at least have the courtesy of not getting your hopes up.
funny randy,
but that comment comes in handy when advocating the firing of this worthless “lets film the joe girardi show” bum manager. I hope he gets fired and its then called the “Joe Girardis’s been fired show”
would have been 7-5. what a bust. and i love that we’re scoring i really do. but why can’t we chip away when we have opportunities. we always rely on homeruns.
Sit Cano down a game.
Man, if Girardi had just taken Hughes out earlier the Yankees would actually be in this game right now.
Alright! 7-5
Yes I’m refusing to acknowledge Edwar.
In my opinion, baserunners are so overrated.
man what happened to cano..its like as soon as his hit streak ended..he stopped hitting too
6 more solo shots and we’re back in the game.
Im so tired of everyone that says we shouldn’t freak out because its still early. I know that there is no reason to freak out after a bad game. No reason to panic if you have had a few terrible games so far this season. But when you have had as many bad performances, mental collapses and missed opportunities like the Yankees have, you can’t really close your eyes and cling to blind faith.
This team is really weak. The rotation is mediocre at best and the many times they have allowed big innings that end in blowouts certainly makes a case to call them horrible. You can’t expect consistency from anybody. No real stopper here.
The bullpen is horrible. Its the worst bunch of mentally weak relief pitchers I’ve seen in a while. NO ONE is reliable. NOT ONE.
The offense gets one but once there it chokes. If they can’t get a homer for God’s mercy, don’t expect them to score even with the bases loaded and no outs. One of the worst offense with RISP. Pretty sad.
There is practically no reliable help we can expect from the minors. Many players have come but just helped the disease spread rather than cure it. And with the many injuries this team has had, that fact is horrible news.
The Yankees may not be as horrible as they have seemed, but if anyone expect this bunch of clueless players to win a championship, they are really high on something. Right now, this team is nothing more than a mediocre team in the quest for a third or fourth place finish. And that is a complete failure.
I see a comeback, but putting in Edwar to give up those runs is gonna cost the Yanks the game and that falls on Girardi.. Tomko should have been in that spot because he is used to the longman role IMO!
nice to see cano still mailing this one in
Arod laughing on the bench down by 7. Does that tell you all you need to know about him?
Zach in Port Jeff: Hahahaha. Good one.
LETS GO YANKEES!
also, a lot of people blame the players while others blame the coaching staff. personally, i don’t know who to blame but i do think that hal steinbrenner used to put fear in the team. with his sons running the show, it’s a whole different story
“If the Blue Jays had operated under the same what-have-you-done-for-me-lately premise, Roy Halladay would be pitching somewhere other than Toronto.”
Good point, I remember seeing Halladay pitch at the Hall of Game when the Blue Jays sent the bottom feeders as far as their pitchers on the farm.
i dont believe it. weve scored 5 runs, we’d stil be in the game, but that loser edwar screwed us.
i mean george steinbrenner..not hal
Solo shots are one way to work around those pesky RISP.
no in between with Cano.. Either really good or really, really horrible!
Vader
May 9th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
GB…3-4 years away or sooner?
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Too difficult to say. He’s 22 years old, but, his issue is striking out. He strikes out about one third of his at bats.
Now Alba time
Tim Tschida looks like he drinks water from a dog bowl between innings
That’s how the Yankees were built, to hit the long ball.
These MASN O’s fans segments are really annoying.
In a root canal way.
The Ghost May 9th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Arod laughing on the bench down by 7. Does that tell you all you need to know about him?
just one of those games, gotta try to make some fun out of it..tomorrow’s another day.
It Tomko wasn’t closing in Scranton, maybe he would be used to being the long man.
…and that Veras/Marte commercial needs to go.
“Tomko should have been in that spot because he is used to the longman role IMO”
You are wrong. Tomko pretty much served as the closer for SWB. I don’t think he ever pitched much for than 1 2/3 innings. If they want to use another long man, in my opinion they dropped the ball by DFAing Steven Jackson.
Why do we always have to play “come from behind” today?
The yankees seriously need to consider splitting up Joba and Hughes. We have to put a veteran betweem them.
The DAMASO Commercial kills me..LOL “I like salsa, I like the chica too.”
If Edwar had held the Orioles this game would be 7 to 5.
Thanks GB
nice ab by melky though, he hasnt given up, thats nice to see. maybe melky has truly turned a corner.
yanks kiddd, you know if this team was rolling and this was just “one of those games” I’d be with you but these kind of losses are a chronic disease that Arod is back to help cure, he needs to lead this team, not fall in line behind court jester Swisher.
“The DAMASO Commercial kills me..LOL “I like salsa, I like the chica too.”
Let’s do a remix with Roberto Alomar and you can fill in the blanks:)
“The DAMASO Commercial kills me..LOL “I like salsa, I like the chica too.”
Let’s do a remix with Roberto Alomar and you can fill in the blanks:)
doreen -
i think eiland went out there once in the second inning. he can only go once in an inning. but he and girardi could have still slowed hughes down by using infielders to talk to him.
as far as someone getting fired, i don’t think they’ll make a change in season unless the wheels really come off.
as much as i’d like to see cashman bumped up or sideways, i don’t want the yankees imploding for that to happen.
i’m as puzzled why edgar was allowed to be in there long enough to give up three runs.
the game was not over with eaton pitching.
Billy, Tomko was brought up specifically for this reason to suck up innings tonight!.. Edwar is a mop-up guy. He has major league experience.
Lets go yankees!
Good job Alba. Time to continue chipping away(hopefully)
its kind of a shame, but all the losers like steve lombardi who hate king george.
as george steinbrenner has died, so have the Yankees. George is so far gone, and so are the Yankees. The Yankees have no heart anymore. King George would never have allowed this, that’s how you know that he’s dead inside.
“Billy, Tomko was brought up specifically for this reason to suck up innings tonight!.. Edwar is a mop-up guy. He has major league experience.”
Get a clue, he’s not stretched out. He might suck up an 1 2/3. That’s what he has been pitching.
Also Tomko used to be a starting pitcher for the Reds if I remember correctly.
can we try cash at catcher.
1st pitch out down 6 runs. Fire Joe G.
He may only pitch 1 or 2 innings, but he wouldn’t have given up 2 freakin bombs either.. You get a clue!!
theres le capitan swingin at 0-1. come on derek, we just need a 6 run homer.
I need two runs this inning.
Don’t freak out. It’s still early.
Im Okay — What an uplifting summation of the Yankees state of affairs. Do you write greeting cards for a living. Geez.
Nice move with Jeter hitting leadoff.. Down to .266
alright Captain. Captain loser. This bum Jeteroes is what cost us AlexRod. Had this loser taken Alex under his wing and forgiven Alex knowing that Alex has severe mental issues, Alex might have already won us world series, but it was more important for Jeets to carry his grudge, captain style!
anyone ever notice how little pete know about baseball? his comments are just asinine.
You’re right, I’m Okay. A hug from Derek to Alex would have won us five more championships. If only someone had thought of it sooner.
Vader
May 9th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
Thanks GB
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Sure thing. Just remember….the scouting report comes with a warning. I’m just an amateur scouting hack.
Jeez. Damon is clearly mailing this game in.
DFA option?
FLASH NEWS: (From New York Yankees) Hughes has been bothered by a sore ear muscle that’s why he’s been pitching poorly… he will be put on 15-day DL and re-evaluated by Dr. No.. (JOKE!)
I hope they send this poor kid down… his stuff is major league ready but mentally… he’s a minor leaguer…
This team needs somebody who is not afraid to pitch…
FIRE CASHMAN!!!
zach,
we need 2 runs, Derek wanted himself a 6 run bomb..
again, it’s kind of a shame, but i see more effort out of damon (the PED user who helped beat us in 04) than our own captain.
Trade Hughes for Reggie Sanders
Think it is time for Aceves or Tomko to get the start next week
Signing Tex this off season probably biggest mistake.
Maybe Hughes has another stress fracture in his rib again.
laugh if it helps you pasqua,
but alex has mental issues as many people do, and as a result, needs to be loved by everybody. he’s always trying to prove himself to people, imagine what it must have been like for face of the yankees to despise him.
“Also Tomko used to be a starting pitcher for the Reds if I remember correctly.”
You sounds all over the map as far as Tomko. He might have been good for an inning at the best. Tonight they needed a long man. That wasnn’t Edwar or Tomko.
Glad I missed the first few innings of this game. This is one tape that will never be viewed.
Honestly… I like Aceves’ demeanor in the mound… than Hughes…. he has less stuff but tougher demeanor… hope he get’s the next start in place of Hughes….
Hope this ends the “Jobber to the pen” talk.
LOL, Teixeira. What a loser. Thanks for hitting .196 you fraud.
mmx May 9th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Signing Tex this off season probably biggest mistake.
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Let’s see how May goes. If things continue as is, Giambi will be missed.
so what’s the point of having a long man…excuse me, essentially 2 long men if you’re going to use bullpen arms for more than one inning. im confused here. someone please educate me
Why is Edwar a long man?
He has one pitch – a changeup. And Girardi thinks he can go through a lineup twice?
I think somebody laced the Blue Jays maple syrup with synthetic testosterone…seriously.
and I wouldnt put it passed Ricciardi to spike their Molson with hCG in order to cycle it out.
i’m gonna be scoping them out next week for some serious man-boobage. something is up.
Zach, you’re joking right? About Damon? Please, for all that is good in this world, tell me you’re joking.
Or at least responding sarcastically to someone who wasn’t.
Maybe Teixeria is one of those guys who will take a full yr to get adjusted to NY.
I could see him hitting .230 or something this year then coming back next year and doing better.
Instead of hoping for firing girardi, eiland, or long,,
how about we start hoping for a miraculous recovery for George Steinbrenner,
the way
Bruschi, David Arias, Gammons, Lester, Jerry Remy will, Kessel, Pierce all recovered and
the way
Lidle and Munson didnt.
Has anybody seen or heard from CASHMAN?? His team is in shambles and he’s been MIA????
great job by alba tonight! too bad the loser couldnt do that in a meaningful situation.
robbie – Don’t worry. Cashman will acquire Arthur Rhodes at the trade deadline to bolster the pen.
I have the solution to the Yankees problems.
Every player should put on a REd Sox jersey underneath their Yankees jersey. Then we’ll get all the luck and maybe the umps will give us all the calls.
Please enlighten me I’m Okay…how does “needing to be loved” equate to “no Yankee championships with A-Rod”? I would have thought TWO MVP’s in the last four years might have gone a long way in helping the Yankees. But that’s just me being rational. I suppose “love” is the necessary component of winning. Just ask Reggie Jackson.
I don’t know about the rest of you, but if the boy Steinbrenner’s are anything like their dad the Joe Girardi term will be over around the first week or two of June – if not sooner.
I like Joe, and was glad when they hired him, but this ballclub looks disorganized, mentally unprepared, and confused. That isn’t all Girardi’s fault, but he is the one in charge of getting these guys ready to play day in and day out, and they are not.
Injuries happen to all teams, but the Yankee injuries, and little nicks here and there, are occurring far too frequently. Do they have a strength and conditioning coach? Isn’t Joe responsible for making sure they are tapped properly and stretched before each game?
Are most of our pitchers simply this bad? Was the signing of Texieria based only on one season? Or is he still hurt? Or, is he being used improperly?
I don’t know the answer to any of these questions, but somebody needs to step up and take responsibility for what’s happening on the field. If changes need to be made, then make them! If not, then maybe we are just looking at a mediocre team and need to deal with it. Something isn’t right with this team (I would say the same with any baseball team if they were playing like this) and someone needs to make a decision.
Wow… how many times in this early season so far has our starter just completely taken us out of the game in the first couple of innings?
And how many times have we given up double digit runs? Seems like every other day. Can’t expect to win many games like that
Brian Cashman is not up to the job. $200 million for this team? Fix the Yankees, change the GM.
“Think it is time for Aceves or Tomko to get the start next week”
Tomko starting:) I guess you are hoping for two innings, that’s all he would be good for. Look at his numbers at SWB. He was the closer.
Now score some runs!
I want to see Veras in this game too.
im okay
May 9th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Instead of hoping for firing girardi, eiland, or long,,
how about we start hoping for a miraculous recovery for George Steinbrenner,
the way
Bruschi, David Arias, Gammons, Lester, Jerry Remy will, Kessel, Pierce all recovered and
the way
Lidle and Munson didnt.
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Typical New England no class jerk. I know that there are decent people thee, just you’re not one of them. Hopefully, you can’t pro-create.
Alby needs to work on his pirouette and fistpump.
What kind of effort was that?
Clearly he’s mailing this one in…just like Damon.
Not Girardi’s fault that our young pitchers don’t live up to the hype.
He didn’t ask Hughes to go out there tonight and not give the team a chance.
I do agree though that he is probably going to be gone if we’re sputtering in the mid-summer.
when’s the last Yankee-Oriole box score showed Brian Roberts 0/4? He usually kills the Yanks…..He does have an RBI tonight, but keeping him off base is usually an ingredient for success.
Hughes is a kid and will take his lumps. My prediction of Wang to the bullpen takes a big hit with the performance tonight of the pitcher formally known as Phil Franchise.
Would like to see Tomko pitch the 8th. Its not like you use him if its close tomorrow, so may as well see what hes got tonight.
im okay
May 9th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
its kind of a shame, but all the losers like steve lombardi who hate king george.
as george steinbrenner has died, so have the Yankees. George is so far gone, and so are the Yankees. The Yankees have no heart anymore. King George would never have allowed this, that’s how you know that he’s dead inside.
You mean the guy that was the singular reason for the team stinking it up in the 80′s and early 90′s? If he wasn’t suspened(allowing Gene Michael to rebuild the orignazation) the franchise would be 30+ years since their last world championship.
If Girardi gets fired this year, that means in the last 3 years, we would have had 3 different managers. All under Cashman’s watch.
Welcome back to the 80s!
From K. Jone’s blog
“The coaching staff has thought about dropping Teixeira in the order but wants to give him a chance in the No. 3 spot with Alex hitting behind him. If time spent in the batting cage with Kevin Long is any indication – and you’ve got to think it is – Teixeira is working hard to get it right.”
I have been supporting Cashman but seriously this team needed a long man. If you don’t use Aceves, the only reliever stretched out is Steven Jackson, who was just DFAd. I think someone will pick him up and Jackson will be up in the majors soon.
Alex is hitting pretty much as he did in rehab games.
Hughes desperately needs a changeup if he wants to be successful. He also has a Mussina-esque tendency to blow up when the ump is bad or when there are errors in the field.
I say keep Girardi as “Manager”, but hire Bobby V. and have him call the shots from the bench…BUT IN DISGUISE.
They’re just going to throw Alex off-speed stuff now… just like they are going with Teixeria.
Green Beret,
I am a terrible person for hoping King George will recover?
I’m not sure I understand.
Pasqua,
Regular season MVP is regular season. All we needed to win against the Sox in 2004 was up 2 runs, Arod came up with a runner on 3rd with less than 2 out and decided to swing for the fences and not get the run home.
Btw, same thing with aaron boone in 2003, he chose not to get a key runner home from 3rd with less than 2 out.
Please come back soon Wang.
The Phil Phranchise experiment needs to end
Jeff NJ
May 9th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
Hughes is a kid and will take his lumps. My prediction of Wang to the bullpen takes a big hit with the performance tonight of the pitcher formally known as Phil Franchise.
what a stupid nickname for a guy who’s done jack. I will agree that it would be a mistake to deal him now. The O’s gave up too early on Maine. While guys like Danks,Garza, Pelfrey, Floyd, Jackson all took pretty big lumps and have turned it around and become huge assets for their team.
“My prediction of Wang to the bullpen takes a big hit…”
Oh my goodness gracious.
Or Mariano gets the save and we win? Come on 04 is over. Lets focus on winning now.
I am not for firing Girardi, Cashman, Long, Eiland, or anyone for that matter, but something is wrong with this ballclub. Maybe they are still in Spring Trainining mode and just need a few more weeks to put things together.
Or, maybe we just overreacted to their talent. Maybe they aren’t as good as we thought.
If they are that good, then what’s wrong? You cannot wait until you are in last place, 10 games under .500 before making a decision.
Win 1, lose 1, win 1, lose 1
Can we get a non-losing streak going soon? Not going to make up ground by going .500. As we saw last year, if we wait too long to take off, then it’s not going to end well.
pat
May 9th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
From K. Jone’s blog
“The coaching staff has thought about dropping Teixeira in the order but wants to give him a chance in the No. 3 spot with Alex hitting behind him. If time spent in the batting cage with Kevin Long is any indication – and you’ve got to think it is – Teixeira is working hard to get it right.”
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I can’t see a reason for doing that, now. I’d flip Jeter and Damon, but, with Damon’s production, I’d hate to see that get messed up.
tommy,
but george wasnt on the field playing the games, the players were! hahaha
George spends money so the Yankees can win for the fans, and then there are unappreciative fans like yourself.
There is NOBODY that cares more about winning than George.
That’s what this team, management, commentators, everybody associated, lacks, the desire to win.
“as george steinbrenner has died, so have the Yankees.”
What is that supposed to me? Its like a bad “like sands through the hourglass” Days of our Lives english.
P.S. George isn’t dead.
im okay
You seem to discount the fact that there is a major league pitcher on the mound trying to stop the batter from doing what you’d like them to.
*mean
Win 1, lose 1, win 1, lose 1
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Not true.
There should be a win 2, lose 5 in there.
ohhhhh boy. good night people.
“Please come back soon Wang.
The Phil Phranchise experiment needs to end”
I just had a big chuckle out loud. Wang is not ready. He is pitching EST games. They are against some high school grad, legacy draft pics, and some minor prospects sprinkled in.
I wouldn’t want 4time to be the GM of my daughter’s tball team.
this season has been an abortion, plain and simple. No one on here who posts regularly could have imagined this. I dont want to hear excuses about injuries- last time I checked the red sox were without about 3-4 regulars and they didnt implode like this sorry sack bunch of losers. And stop saying its early. the yankees are nothing more than a punchline right now. I know that people on here treat kevin long like he cured cancer but enough is enough. The RISP falls on him. Time for Hank or Hal or the person who changes George’s colonoscopy bag to make an example out of someone. No, check that. Not make an example- SOMEONE DESERVES TO LOSE THEIR JOB. START WITH LONG. Heck, fire Girardi as well for all I care. The 2009 NY Yankees are a joke. Time to act now.
im okay
May 9th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Green Beret,
I am a terrible person for hoping King George will recover?
I’m not sure I understand.
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Don’t act any more stupid and classless than you already have.
I’m sure that nobody missed the last line.
Nick, is the Rocket in George’s Box again?
I just came back from seeing Star Trek – I’m sorry to say I came back to see the Yankees behind again and worse, that Phil had major problems. I thought that he was supposed to have great makeup – I’m surprised at his meltdowns. I don’t know if all those scouts were wrong (forget his stuff for a second), but I will say that I’m disappointed and surprised. I don’t know how you teach someone composure – he had that in 2007 in the ALDS. Have his injuries deprived him of that? I don’t know……it’s puzzling. In any case, this is why it is going to be very, very difficult for the Yankees to get on a roll – two kids in the rotation and one will be about to be sent down (and who knows when we’ll see him again – not until next year at the earliest……) Of course, apparently the team came out and played terrible defense – that doesn’t help.
Well if George was George, Santana would be here. We’d have Santana AND Sabathia in the rotation. You think George lets Santana go to the Mets?
Everyone kept badmouthing George and saying how Cashman needs full control and George is ruining the team… well, now you got your wish. Same to the people who wanted Torre gone for Girardi/Mattingly or someone.
Grass ain’t always greener, is it?
…you put tomko in now?
Phil showed no composure today
How do you let that inning spiral out of control like that?
Just like last year. Disappointing. Time for Aceves
Welcome to the bullpen, Brett.
Tomko looks like he’ll fit right in.
Tomko looks like he’ll fit right in.
14 innings at SWB at people want Tomko to be the long man or even better start a game. He as an arm but he SUCKS.
gb7-
i know you’ll appreciate this. jim palmer just said mike cuellar coached the oriole pitcher this past spring and said he was a cy young award winner. i didn’t know that.
i’ve told this story before but i caught cuellar in 1989 when he was getting ready to throw BP . after 5 pitches i stopped and said “who are you?”.
he threw 5 pitches for strikes and the rotation on every pitch was just beautiful to watch. his screwball was what stopped me.
nice guy too. very quiet and polite.
The best part of last night was that CC even shut the trolls up.
This should all but end Joba to the pen.
Joba on his worst day is 4 innings, 5 runs or so. Hughes can’t even do that.
Well if George was George, Santana would be here. We’d have Santana AND Sabathia in the rotation.
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If we got Santana last year, no way they get Sabathia this year.
Angel,
it’s pretty simple.
George Steinbrenner is pretty much dead, he probably no longer knows what is going on around him. Therefore,
as George has gone, so have the yankees.
Pat,
any good major leaguer can get a run home from 3rd w less than 2 out. Alex could have in 04, Boone could have in 03, Mark could have against the rays the other night. they just dont have the desire to win.
and as for our team never adjusting, good old pitching coach in 01 cost us that world series, andy was tipping his pitches and leave it our tremendous pitching coach to notice it after the season was over. had andy not been tipping his pitches, maybe we win one of the road games. oh well.
randy l -
I have been in and out of the game – getting ready for vacation – leaving tomorrow. So, I just went by posts here that seemed to indicate Eiland hadn’t been out there.
Just seems like they can’t sustain anything. The team looked bad, and Hughes looked like he had a “deer in the headlights” look after Swisher’s throw.
Hello = is there any relief pitcher who can come in and just give some actual relief! Sheez, Tomko!
So, as I was saying- what’s gonna happen? This is depressing. They don’t just lose – they get battered.
I know it’s early and I know it can turn on a dime. But right now, whew.
I’m gonna sign out now – to all you mom’s out there- Have a Happy Mother’s Day tomorrow.
The last few times we’ve gone on vacation, the yankees have picked it up a bit. Here’s hoping.
Catch you all next week.
teixeira’s fielding is not crisp tonight,
must be the full moon.
Ugh, Veras isin’t going to pitch today. That means Joe is going to use him in an important game tomorrow or the next day
Oh my, the worst pen in the majors strikes again..
“i’ve told this story before but i caught cuellar in 1989 when he was getting ready to throw BP . after 5 pitches i stopped and said “who are you?”.”
I come on the board once in a while, where did you cacth?
yankees should trade hughes for $.50 on the dollar…
GreenBeret,
Since youre such a brain,
maybe you didnt realize that Im upset about Munson and Lidle and am resigned to Steinbrenner dying very soon. I hope for a miraculous recover, but i no longer have optimism when it comes to the Yankees.
doreen-
have a nice vacation.
Jeff NJ: ummmmm, I didn’t think much of the ‘Wang to the bullpen’ prediction, but I’d forgotten about it. Until today.
Now how about some runs!!!!
I’m sorry – why do all these guys dominate in SWB? Are they playing AA teams in that league????
And – now – I’m really gone. G’night guys.
Phew – pitcher’s best friend. One run too late.
Thanks, Randy l.
It seems than any time I mention P.A. in a post…
It doesn’t get printed.
Am I imagining it?
i bet that wherever steinbrenner is right now he has a wool blanket draped over his lap…
all that needs to be said about the yankees present,
Michael Kay, the biggest loser in the world, is the voice of the NY Yankees. this loser continues to make me sick night in and night out.
even when we win, there is always that sickness from this loser.
Can I ask how Dave Eiland got this job? Wasn’t he the pitching coach at AAA or AA? He was supposed to be a pitching coach who worked well with the youngsters. It’s time for him to go. There has got to be someone better out there? Hell, i’d rather see Bowa managing this team.. It needs some fire out there. This is redundant that everytime this team loses it’s the same old story
randy l.
May 9th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
gb7-
i know you’ll appreciate this. jim palmer just said mike cuellar coached the oriole pitcher this past spring and said he was a cy young award winner. i didn’t know that.
i’ve told this story before but i caught cuellar in 1989 when he was getting ready to throw BP . after 5 pitches i stopped and said “who are you?”.
he threw 5 pitches for strikes and the rotation on every pitch was just beautiful to watch. his screwball was what stopped me.
nice guy too. very quiet and polite.
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Didn’t know that you got a chance to catch Cuellar. He was a Hell of a pitcher for about 5 years. I did know that in 1969, Cuellar and Denny McLain shared the Cy Young, though. McLain’s last good year before oblivion.
im okay
May 9th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
tommy,
but george wasnt on the field playing the games, the players were! hahaha
George spends money so the Yankees can win for the fans, and then there are unappreciative fans like yourself.
There is NOBODY that cares more about winning than George.
That’s what this team, management, commentators, everybody associated, lacks, the desire to win.
Dude he was the defacto gm back then and made a million stupid moves and killed the franchise. McGriff, McGhee, Drabek, Buhner were all in our farm and George traded them away. Back in the 90′s he wanted to trade Mo for Felix Fermin thought Gerald was the better Williams. Didn’t wanna make the Cone trade and wanted to trade Pettite. Oh yeah Johnson and Sheff were George moves.
If they score 7 runs…I’ll streak through the quad naked.
and no, i’m not in college anymore.
**JOHAN SANTANA**
I wouldn’t expect much from the offense tomorrow… Uehara is Balimore’s best pitcher– even shut down Boston in Fenway a couple weeks ago. Doesn’t walk anyone, not many HRs. Could be a long day for the offense.
the Yankees need to do what the Nationals did, DFA/release the whole bullpen except for the closer, and why is Berroa still with the team?
“last licks for the yankees”
“do the yankees have a rally in their bones”
“check that”
we’re still alive.
billy-
just bullpen catcher. in winter ball, the ill fated senior league where i caught cuellar, and in spring training with the orioles. i had the good luck to catch guys that won about two thousand games though.
Don’t know how anyone thought that a 36 yr old journeyman like Tomko would add anything to the team. He has only had an ERA under 4.60 once since his rookie season. He is this year’s Jim Bower
Rubber game tomm.
We’ll take 2/3.
G’night for real this time.
tommy,
regardless of what moves George wanted or made, at least he wanted to win. nobody on this team look s as if they care about winning.
cashman will wait until were out of it until he makes a deal, instead of tyring to use this economy to take highpriced players off other teams trying to dump salaries.
This was just a mess of a game
I’d have to say that the Redsox and Yanks rotation are a wash right now, but their bullpen is much better and they manage to hit in key situations (esp.Bay).. Overall the Yanks are pretty pathetic right now and changes need to be made!
Zach in Port Jeff
May 9th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
If they score 7 runs…I’ll streak through the quad naked.
and no, i’m not in college anymore.
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Don’t ever come on this board with threats like that. I’m sure that it’s printed in the TOs, somewhere. Right above “No Trolls Will Be Tolerated”. It is written betwen the lines.
I thought that Hughes pitched well, all things considered.
Weather wasn’t great, defense was terrible, umps were terrible. He made some great pitches that were somehow turned into hits. The Huff HR should have been a lazy fly ball that the wind blew out.
If he pitches like this next week, I’ll take it.
to steal a line from the worthless animal michael kay,
check that, damon and melky seem like they care.
It is written ***between*** the lines.
“I thought that Hughes pitched well”
R U KIDDING ME?
Hey- when you rush guys like Hughes, Kennedy, Melancon etc. This is what you are going to get.
If Damon goes on the DL for a month and they bring up Austin Jackson, same thing will happen— he will hit .120 and look overmatched.
Yankees always rush their prospects and this is the end result. It completely kills their confidence. Hughes does NOT have the mound presence that he did in 2007 against Cleveland. He looks timid and confused.
sar515
Pete has it set up that his last name gets caught in the filter.
24 hrs ago we were all in baseball bliss! Now that is completely washed away. Joba to the rescue tomorrow hopefully!
Really terrible outing from Hughes, Joba was always the shiny gem of the trio. I honestly have doubts if Hughes could even be a 5 at this level. Oh well go get em’ tomorrow with Jobber.
i love how when somebody recognizes that our team has inherent flaws that have been there for years, or are down on the team, they are trolls,.
i wish all those trolls that refuse to acknowledge the flaws of this team would leave the board.
I cant stand trolls.
Tomko LOL
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The lack of bullpen makes our team a laughingstock to baseball people everywhere. Until we get a bullpen we will not be taken seriously.
“billy-
just bullpen catcher. in winter ball, the ill fated senior league where i caught cuellar, and in spring training with the orioles. i had the good luck to catch guys that won about two thousand games though.”
That’s still very cool. My best Yankee memories were when a family friend of mine was the Yankee bullpen catcher for about five years in the mid-80s. Got to spend some time with the team. He played in the chain before he got hurt and I remember watching him play with John Elway at Oneonta.
He passed away a few years ago from cancer but those memories last a lifetime.
Phil is their guinea pig – this is twice he was rushed. I said over and over again that I thought it was too soon for him. Nonetheless, the Yankees brought him up because what, they had no other choice? At what point do they decide to finally try and develop him correctly?
maybe, the “trolls” that are down onthe team, have watched nearly every single New York game of the 4 major teams since they were 10 years old in 94, and now they have cancer after getting sick for a team that just completely died at home in Game 7 2004.
Its a shame we couldnt re-visit that Johan Santana deal, cause Hughes,Kenedy,Melky would be gone,would of thrown Tabata in just to make sure
“I thought that Hughes pitched well, all things considered.
Weather wasn’t great, defense was terrible, umps were terrible. He made some great pitches that were somehow turned into hits. The Huff HR should have been a lazy fly ball that the wind blew out.
If he pitches like this next week, I’ll take it.”
Dave Eiland?
Al – Joba is in a different universe than Phil is.
Even when he doesn’t have command, he can always reach back and blow a FB by someone or drop in a crazy hook or throw that slider. His stuff is so good that he can always limit the damage. He also isin’t afraid to throw any of his pitches in any count.
Joba’s 3rd pitch is better than Hughes’ best pitch. That’s why when he struggles, it is a 4.1 IP, 5 ER outing. When Hughes struggles, it can be a 2 IP, 8 ER outing.
“Yankees always rush their prospects and this is the end result. It completely kills their confidence. Hughes does NOT have the mound presence that he did in 2007 against Cleveland. He looks timid and confused.”
Best post here tonight. His mound presence is the most concerning. Where is the poise?
Chamberlain’s stuff is a world better than Hughes, so obviously he can get away with more. Hughes has a low 90s FB and a loopy curve. Chamberlain has a mid-high 90s FB and a wicked slider as well as a good hook.
That’s why it is stupid to suggest Joba to the pen. At such a young age, he is already advanced pitching-wise. He’s going to be scary good with some more experience.
Hughes just needs more starts and he’ll do better. You can’t just send him up and down constantly. Or give up on him like that.
he’s phil hughesless
Joba popped a blood vessel in his thumb.
“Phil is their guinea pig – this is twice he was rushed. I said over and over again that I thought it was too soon for him. Nonetheless, the Yankees brought him up because what, they had no other choice? At what point do they decide to finally try and develop him correctly?”
Betsy I could not agree more. I just went back and read CJ’s game story for the last start he made for SWB. The whole story was about how he was trying different things and working on things. I love Singleton but he was is dead wrong when he said he had done every thing he could do at AAA. Sorry but he made three starts at AAA, THREE. Come one, he didn’t have any trouble but SWB was also playing the bottom feeders and striggling teams.
Melancon was rushed just as much and people also said he had done every thing he could at AAA. Sorry but 20+ innings over two years, there is plenty he can do and learn.
YIKES!
Aceves wasn’t available today because Joba popped a blood vessel in his thumb today and may not be able to go tomorrow.
Just like people keep referencing the Kazmir-Zombrano trade and how awful it was
People will now keep referencing the Hughes-Santana non-trade as how awful it was.
Santana is the best pitcher in baseball, you simply do not pass up the chance to get him.
NY Teams in order of faith:
1.Giants
2.Jets
3.Mets
4.Rangers
5.Yankees
6.Knicks
7.Islanders
It’s sad, but true!
joba might not start tomorrow
cue sad trombones
Joba popped a blood vessel?
Wonderful. This season just keeps getting better and better
Joba popped a blood vessel in his thumb. Not sure if he’s going tomorrow. That’s why Aceves was held back.
Girardi isn’t quite as dumb as you give him credit for. Actually it’s that he always has information we don’t but that would never stop the parrot bar from squawking without thinking there could be something going on.
Anyway, Joba not certain for tomorrow.
“Joba not starting tomorrow”
Ugh.
Um how do pop a blood vessel in your thumb? What the heck was he doing?
Terry – Ironically, the Yankees are the last NY team aside from the Knicks/Islanders to get out of the 1st round… October 2004.
Giants obviously got out of the 1st round in 07 en route to a SB
Jets beat San Diego to go to round 2 in early 2005
Rangers got to the 2nd round in 07 and 08
Mets beat the Dodgers in 06 to to to the 2nd round
Zach in Port Jeff
May 9th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
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Jesus. You’re not a Chippendale Dancer, are you? Or one of Madonna’s “boys”?
For people wondering where Mr Cashman. Cashman is writing a guide on how to build a bullpen for dummies
Phil Coke = Chris Hammond
Damaso Marte = Felix Heredia
Jonathon Albaladejo = Antonio Osuna
Edwar Ramirez = Tanyon Sturtze
Brett Tomko = Brett Tomko LOL
Jose Veras = Armando Benitez
“Um how do pop a blood vessel in your thumb? What the heck was he doing?”
My thoughts exactly
Benny Hinn=Idiot
Al from BK
May 9th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
“Joba not starting tomorrow”
Ugh.
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They didn’t say he wasn’t starting. They said they weren’t sure. You can jump off of the bridge, now.
several things: 1) it’s kind of astounding when you think about it: we all clamored for cashman to have total control, and… what a nightmare! this whole roster needs an overhaul.
2) I’m usually not into the fire the manager stuff, but girardi seems to have lost this team, and his bizarre decisions about how to use the bullpen make me wonder if he’s cut out for big league managing (and yes, i know he won manager of the year)
3) Kevin Long and Dave Eiland– weren’t they supposed to be amazing? What a disaster…
4) Can someone PLEASE do something to make Cash and Joe let Edwar (and Veras) go? What does it take?
Binny,
Brett Tomko can be our Ron Villone/Jim Bower/Hawkins
An awful 35+ yr old veteran who Cashman saw something in that nobody else did.
Aceves wasn’t available today because Joba popped a blood vessel in his thumb today and may not be able to go tomorrow.
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What the heck..
i cant believe brett gardner is married. who would marry a steroid enhanced talentless bum who cant even use his one gift, speed, to his advantage. I bet he uses his speed in the sack, again to his disadvantage.
glad to see the extra hitting in the winter helping cano.what a joke. kevin long has to go.
Are you kidding about Joba? Unbelievable. First, I hope he’s ok. Second, this season is like watching a car wreck – it’s happening in slow motion (it seems) right before our eyes. Just when you think it can’t get worse, it does.
“They didn’t say he wasn’t starting. They said they weren’t sure. You can jump off of the bridge, now.”
With the Yankees when they say “not sure” they mean he’s not going. Also how does one pop a blood vessel? This team gets injuries that I have never even heard of.
billy -
what was your friend’s name?
a close friend of mine named carl taylor was the yankee bullpen catcher from 1989 -1996.
being a bullpen catcher is an interesting position because technically you’re under the coaches, but you interact so much with the players you often get to know them well too.
you have to learn to listen way more than you talk, and keep what you know about things to yourself. if you love baseball it’s a great learning experience.
billy your clueless
Btw, I don’t think Michael is all that bad. But John Sterling– that guy is the worst sportscaster of all time. It’s almost funny, actually, just how bad, and clueless he is…
“jump off the bridge” “trolls” jump off the bridge, now
the same level of intelligence shown each and every night. cant even be concerned about our future (Joba) without “jump off the bridge”
if everyone jumped off the bridge, maybe they wouldnt end up with cancer from watching the same Ny teams, each and every night.
You can just innocently hit it against something and have it happen. Then it turns blue and it kills to even touch it. I’ve had that before and it is very painful.
Pete had the stat about the Yanks giving up 10 or more runs – 6th time. Good going Pete!
Girardi still has faith in Hughes and said “it’s one game.” He also said there is a huge difference between Hughes last year and Hughes this year. I agree with him.
Devin, it is pretty sad that the Yanks are in this predicament, but when you look at the other NY teams, aside from the Knicks and Isles. They are making strides in being formidable. Payroll aside, the Yanks are one of the worst managed sports teams throwing money around with no clue how to build rosters and chemistry. The Jets on the other hand have rebuilt their team in a matter of 2 years. With Sanchez and Ryan added they look pretty damn good entering this year.. Cashman should take a hard look at how Mike Tannembaum builds a roster.
new post
People do that all of the time. Pinch your finger. Catch a ball off of the end of the finger. stub your toe. They’re not talking about amputation, here.
Arizona fired Melvin…the clocking is ticking for clueless Joe
sam
of course you and others hate john sterling, he may be the worst, but he’s the only Yankees homer around. Michael Kay is the Yankees’ opposition homer.
“joba might not start tomorrow
cue sad trombones”
http://sadtrombone.com/
Al, actually they think there is a better chance he’ll pitch than he won’t. But they do need to mention it on the off chance he can’t go tomorrow.
Joe Girardi must remember well the living hell he went through last year when he didn’t confess to the press!
randy l.
May 9th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
billy – what was your friend’s name?
a close friend of mine named carl taylor was the yankee bullpen catcher from 1989 -1996.
being a bullpen catcher is an interesting position because technically you’re under the coaches, but you interact so much with the players you often get to know them well too.
you have to learn to listen way more than you talk, and keep what you know about things to yourself. if you love baseball it’s a great learning experience.
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Is that the same Carl Taylor that used to catch for Pittsburgh and KC back in the 70s, Randy?
The DL LEAGUE
MARTE
BRUNEY
POSADA
MOLINA
RANSOM
WANG
IPK
** JOBA??? How in the world do you pop a blood vessel in your thumb??
What’s wrong with our team???
Randy … my friend’s name was Mike Fennell. He was a LeMoyne College graduate. He played with Jim DeShaies and Tom Browning in college as a first baseman and was a 10th-round pick.
hate to say it. but JOE must go.
hate to say it. but JOE must go.
Thanks Pat.
Does that mean no criticism of PA allowed?
When can we retire the Phil Franchise name along with HD-DVD and Betamax
where is this Joba info coming from anyways??
Benny
Left off Nady
Billy, it’s ridiculous. Phil is example 1 of how not to handle a young pitcher and it makes me extremely nervous about how they are going to develop their other young pitchers. Phil’s meltdowns must be related to a lack of confidence – he’s going to have to be sent down to just pitch. Again, his makeup was considered off the charts when he was drafted – by all accounts. I don’t believe that that just disappeared – he’s 22, so perhaps that is explanation enough. He’s got to be sent down and the Yankees have to leave him down there – if they still value him, they have to treat him like they do.
New Joba post——————->
Kei Igawa
News is that the Yankees signed Josh Towers today. Remember him being a pretty good pitcher for the BlueJays a few years back…
phil hughes is looking like a pavano clone
can we stop putzing around with bringing MINOR LEAGUERS up to the big team….hughes is a minor leaguer, melancon is a minor leaguer, veras, ramirez – minor leaguers…
bite the bullet and sign pedro martinez – he showed some skills in the WBC, paul byrd – better than the 4 I mentioned above, why didn’t we even look at luis vizcaino – he was NEVER as bad as veras and ramirez – heck i’d even look at trying to trade for peavy if he’s still available at this point..pedro and byrd can go to the bullpen if/when wang comes back
would anyone be surprised if hughes is diagnosed with one of his infamous injuries after tonights debacle? i know i’ll get buried for saying this but if halladay becomes available in july i think the yankees need to seriously consider trading hughes for him….unless of course they’re OK with not making the playoffs this year…i’ll take my chances with winning the world series the next 4 years with halladay and then watching phil become a #2 or 3 pitcher with the blue jays the next 8 years after that
“News is that the Yankees signed Josh Towers today. Remember him being a pretty good pitcher for the BlueJays a few years back…”
Maybe he will try and plunk Arod in BP.
“luis vizcaino – he was NEVER as bad as veras and ramirez – heck i’d even look at trying to trade for peavy if he’s still available at this point..pedro and byrd can go to the bullpen if/when wang comes back”
Vizcaino was signed by the Tribe as a free agent.
Veras wishes he was Mando. Armando always blew up in the end but he had some tremendous regular seasons.
Josh Towers lmao! He’s complete garbage. Why not bring back Victor Zambrano too?
I don’t understand why Edwar is still there,does anyone else?
It almost getting unbearable to watch, maybe we should bring back Hideki Irabu, or even see if we can get Melido Perez for a spot start while these guys try to figure this out.
And everyone ran Joe Torre out of town.
Maybe nce the muts finally decide to put perez on waivers maybe we can scoup him up.
One of Hughes’s problems is that he works incredibly slowly. I mean the intervals between pitches are interminable. This, to me, indicates fear or a lack of confidence.
yes billy i know he was signed by cleveland, hence the “why didn’t we even look at luis vizcaino” line prior to “he was NEVER as bad as veras and ramirez –”
lets scrap this younger and more athletic bs – at least when it comes to pitchers – lets get arms in here that know what it takes to win and more importantly throw strikes…
what’s with all the hate for edwar pete?
you know, if maybe hughes was a pitcher, we wouldn’t have been down 7-0 by the 2nd.
i like hughes. but he needs more time.
what i don’t like is your constant favoritism and attacking of other yankee players.
we don’t want to read harsh criticism or sarcastic remarks about the team we like. we know you are not a fan of theirs but don’t c r a p on people that are.
I’m not here to make excuses for Rambo. But dumping on him is plain ridiculous. Prince Hughes is the one who bollixed up this game. Not the guy who got twice as many outs and gave up half as many runs. (That said, maybe Ram needs to put his GD glasses back on.)
Everyone needs to stop calling the yankees mediocre. Mediocre teams lose a lot of games 5-3, 6-2, 4-1. The Yankees lose games 22-4. They blow six run leads. They fall behind 8-0 in the second. Or 12-0 in the first inning. They get picked off third base. They field like little leaguers. Bad little leaguers. They have NO relief pitcher you can put in the game and honestly think you’re going to get a scoreless inning out of. Not a single one. They cannot move runners up or hit (or even put the bat on the ball) with RISP to save their miserable lives. They are a HORRIBLE team. They are a disgrace to the uniform and to the NY Yankees franchise. What is even more disgraceful is that none of them seem to care. It is not that early any more. 20 percent of the season has been flushed. And with this bunch of clueless, clutchless clowns who don’t even seem to give a sh*t, there doesn’t even appear to be any hope it is going to improve. How does Girardi keep his job? How does Eiland keep his job? How does Long keep his job?
GZA, the answer is they BOTH SUCK!
brian cashman should be fired. hal and hank should be fired too, except they own the team. enough of this “we gotta win every year” crap….let’s take a couple years off, rebuild, and come back with another dynasty!