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San Diego State’s Stephen Strasburg is like a legend come to life.
He threw a no-hitter against Air Force last night and struck out 17. He hit 101 and was sitting at 99 all game. He is now 11-0, 1.24.
His line on the season: 87.1 innings, 48 hits, 17 walks, 164 strikeouts.
Strasburg is represented (well, “advised” under NCAA rules) by Scott Boras and will want the Pentagon and half the Smithsonian from the Nationals when they draft him. If by some miracle he signs quickly, it would be fascinating to see how quickly he could make it through the minors.
No, there’s no chance he falls to the Yankees. The Nationals need something to invigorate their franchise and he’s it.
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Chad Jennings
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#1 overall, he will be a Nat and sign a ML deal.
This kid doesn’t hold any particular fascination for me, but I think it’s great that he’ll likely go to the Nats. First off because it keeps him out of the AL and secondly he’d be in the same division as the Mets…….
that is epic lol
This kids mechanics look like he will have a major injury in the future.
“This kids mechanics look like he will have a major injury in the future.”
It does. I think he goes into the BP this yr.
“His bat speed, which they do have the technology (finally!) to measure now, is fine.”
sj44-
i’m glad to hear that teixeira’s swing speed is fine, and i’m assuming you have some good sources for saying that. i have no doubt that you’re right.
but i have to laugh because i think i have had swing speed devices since about 1998 that measure my golf club head speed and baseball bat speed .
they cost me about $100 . i have two separate ones and they both register the same so i know they’re accurate. i’ve also been tested in expensive over twenty thousand dollar systems that came up with the same swing speed.
i’m sure the yankees now have the latest swing speed testing and very expensive, but they could have done it years ago for a hundred bucks if they wanted too.
this is a good lesson for people to remember when they assume the yankees must do everything way ahead of everyone else because they are the yankees. they don’t.
knowing swing speed is also a good teaching tool. sometimes what makes swing speed go up is counterintuitive . for example, you have to relax your muscles to go faster..
what feels fast isn’t necessarily fast . you need to see an objective mph number that doesn’t lie so when you try something new. if the new move works you can keep doing it. if not you discard it.
using a swing speed device can over time increase swing speed dramatically . at fifty years old i had no trouble swinging 140 mph after a few years of swing speed training. tiger swings at 119 mph on average on tour. the average pga pro is at about 109mph.( tiger can easliy go above 140 if he chose too) 117 mph will give you a 300 yard drive. every mph above 117 mph is good for three yards.
measuring bat speed is as easy as measuring golf swing speed.
it’s pretty amusing that the yankees are just now doing it.
that puts them 10 years behind the technology that’s been available to the public.
i think, if i remember correctly that a player like sheffield in his heyday with the yankees was at around 98 mph. a baseball bat is closer to two pounds and a gold club is around one pound . that coupled with being shorter creates the lower swing speed.
this swing speed info may be more than people care about, but i can’t imagine teaching hitting without measuring a hitter’s swing speed. how is that any different than not measuring a pitcher’s velocity? it seems like it would be a given that it should be done.
and with Boras, he won’t sign until a few minutes before deadline…
How many sure-fire prospects have failed before? This kid seems like the real deal. But everyone (including Boras lol) needs to wait and see.
I thought starters weren’t suppose to throw 100 in games when they start. Why is Joba only throwing 93?
That kid may be the best pitching prospect ever in the draft.
Plus, Tony Gwynn has used him the right way. Unlike most college coaches, he didn’t abuse the kid.
There are a lot of bullets left in that arm.
He will sign, probably not pitch the rest of this year, and be in the Nats rotation next year. He’s too good not to be and the Nats need a drawing card.
How many sure-fire prospects have failed before?
Hughes and Kennedy come to mind first.
“I thought starters weren’t suppose to throw 100 in games when they start. Why is Joba only throwing 93?”
Pitching against Air Force for 9 innings ain’t exactly like pitching to Boston or Tampa Bay for 9, no?
Hughes is a failure? Somebody should tell Hughes. I think he would disagree.
SJ -
I saw Strasburg pitch against UNM about a month ago and obviously the stuff is for real. Hard to tell what “league” he’s really in given that the MWC isn’t exactly a tough conference. How do you suppose his he’d look if he spent the entire year in the SEC or ACC?
P.S. Saw another mention of your nephew in Keith Law’s chat yesterday, he figures him for late first round as well, fwiw.
And I don’t think Kennedy is a failure either.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4153791
Great, great write up by Jerry Crasnick. It’s a must read. What I really took out if is that this team is relishing the opportunity to rally around Alex in his time of need. In the words of Swisher. “Awesome.”
(on another note, Alex saying in his postgame that he was so happy to be back with his family (the Yankees) was bittersweet.)
“I thought starters weren’t suppose to throw 100 in games when they start. Why is Joba only throwing 93?”
3 pitch strike outs aren’t common in the majors buddy.
Hughes a failure at 22………wow.
Regardless, according to the pfx data, Joba was hitting 96 on the gun in the 6th inning on Tuesday.
I don’t think Hughes and Kennedy were ever hyped like Strasborg. He’s the real deal no doubt, but we’ve heard the same about a zillion flame-throwers.
SJ’s nephew late first? Yankees? haha.
Hughes is 22 and in a MLB rotation. How is that failing?
I always liked Hughes and think he’ll do good.
Kennedy though, I never thought he’d be good.
Feel bad about the aneurysm though.
M, that was a great article – thanks for posting. Alex is very happy to be back and his teammates are very happy to have him back……….Let’s hope the team can get on a roll – they could use a good streak right now.
hughes is going to be very good.
he’s just a kid and still learning. when he has command of his naturally moving fastball they don’t hit him now at the mlb level.
he wasn’t a failure. rushing him was a failure.
he’s going to be fine.
I love that Betsy isn’t fascinated by this phenom, but Hughes and his 91 MPH sure seem to fascinate her. Betsy, in that planet you’re from, are the poor people allowed to drink kool-aid?
randy
One thing I was impressed with about Hughs was that knee buckling curve. Thats a special pitch to go along with the rest.
From last thread on A-Rod….
In twenty years, when they list the top five offensive yankee players of all time, A-Rod will be one of them. No one else from this team or the 90s dynasty will be on that list.
Free Speech
May 9th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Isn’t moron a highly insulting word? Yet people here use it at will like it’s a right. Fans post their feelings, the “threat” as some thin-skinned fans here claim, is just a figure of speech, I find it highly amusing that some folks get so peeved as to mock and try to intimidate with their “knowledge.” If you have so much knowledge what are ya’ll doing here chatting with the common folk.
It’s a free country but not free enough to call people names. Try respect. It works.
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If I’m a baseball scout, right now I’m tracking down the guys that had the 48 hits against Strausburg and recommend drafting them.
E-Boli-the13th: She knows he’s good, but she is not fascinated because he can’t be a Yankee.
Nothing wrong there.
Scratch that previous post. My dog typed yjat. I’m totally innocent.
If I’m a baseball scout, right now I’m tracking down the guys that had the 48 hits against Strausburg and recommend drafting them.
yjat. I’m totally innocent
Apparently, he typed this one, too.
***that*** . I’m totally innocent
Thanks, Tex – I wasn’t about to take the time to respond to this clown, but glad you did.
In any case, Phil is going to be very good for a long time. It’s too bad that he’s got a lot of pressure on him up here to be good immediately, though – especially when he’s still something of a work in progress.
Strasburg has the hated “Inverted W” arm action that needs to be ironed out. Some others who has the “Inverted W” are Prior, Anthony Reyes (yikes!). That said- the guy is fun to watch, but my American Legion team could have beaten Air Force
http://www.drivelinemechanics......ark-prior/
GB7-Wow, what a dumb dog. Cn’t even spell that right.
MY dog just finished reading Arabian Nights and is moving on to Plato’s Republic.
My dog is being punished for spelling can’t wrong.
No blogging about the Yankees from her for a week.
Yeah, I agree, Betsy, he has way too much pressure to win and perform. I’d hate that too. Maybe they should put Hughes in an incubator, shield him from all the evil pressure that’s in the world.
You know who else hated “pressure”? Donnie Moore. Pressure is evil and is the reason the world is so BAD. Let’s rid the world of pressure. Is barometric pressure bad, too, Betsy? We can get rid of that while we’re at it.
If this Strasburg kid is so great, why is he being wasted as a starter when he could dominate the 8th inning?
No, there’s no chance he falls to the Yankees. The Nationals need something to invigorate their franchise and he’s it.
Question is, will the Nationals be able, let alone willing, to pay the outrageous cost it will take to get them. As you know, there have been a lot of times where top picks have fallen in the draft because of money issues.
Nick in SF-Here’s the problem with Joba the starter: In my perfect world I would FAR rather him start, but our bullpen is bad, our closer is not 100% and who knows, may (just may) be on the decline, and we jave a guy right now who could be our answer, as well as a great rotation the rest of the time, especially when Wang returns.
Our bullpen may be forcing the Yankees hand into making him set up or evn pitch the seventh and eighth innings.
“One thing I was impressed with about Hughs was that knee buckling curve. Thats a special pitch to go along with the rest.”
maine yankee-
his breaking ball is obviously a good compliment to to the fastball- both plus pitches.
he’s mixing in a cutter too it seems.
JB-Couldn’t the Yanks offer obscene amounts of cash to lure him away?
Yeah, Kay mentioned that he got a cutter and you could really see it in Detroit.
teixmvp – here is my question, with joba’s inning limit, what are the chances by september he finds himself back in the pen assuming (a BIG assumption here) that wang and hughes can act as solid starters? im a big supporter of joba the starter, personally, but i wonder if we do end up finding ourselves in meaningful fall play if they wont put him there. im no expert but im also assuming that transition would be pretty easy for the player and his arm, wouldnt it?
Shame Spencer-In the playoffs, if we make it, he’d be in the pen.
I dont put too much faith in swing speed since it can vary for a player..Particularly the type of pitch being thrown and the count. Hitters get long in the zone and bear down when they have two strikes on them or the game is on the line. Their bat speed get significantly reduced trying to make contact and punch it over the infieldes heads..Hitting homeruns is a different story and relies on it more, but I would think strength has more to do with it. You swinging a bat 98 mph and say Sheffield swinging at 98 mph are two different things because of the forgiveness of the bat on contact. The stronger you are the less forgiveness and the farther the ball travels, basic physics
No sale, Texmvp. The bullpen looked fine last night. It doesn’t look so fine when it’s got to cover 4+ innings on a nightly basis. Joba wouldn’t be in most of those games anyway, just as Mo wouldn’t be.
Also, shouldn’t you drop ‘keeping the faith’ from your tag if you want to move Tex down in the order? That’s not keeping the faith, that’s hitting the panic button.
So I’m pencilling Strasburg in as the Yankees #1 starter in 2017 after he signs a 7 year $210M contract.
Anyone notice A Rod is only batting .250 and is 0 for his last 3? When is he going to heat up already?
Why are people so obsessed with making a Joba a reliever? Its just a terrible argument. Apparently some of us did not watch Joba’s last start. Sure he a had a rough first inning but he showed how dominant a starter he can be. When October rolls in, as we have seen the past few years it is ALL about starting pitching. If you can have 4 guys that have ace type stuff you are at a huge advantage in the playoffs.
Id rather have Joba pitch 7-8 innings in a playoff game, putting the team in position to win than have him throw 2 innings and be done.
Strasburg will sign for $15-20M, minutes before the deadline.
It won’t be Boras’s fault, but the commissioner’s office. The Commish doesn’t like to approve signings that might move the pay bar up for all unsigned draftees, so above slot bonuses, etc., tend to wait until the deadline to be approved.
Of course, Boras will get the blame.
randy
He looked more like a complete pitcher now. Also can see that he has developed physically as well. Looked bigger and stronger.
Don’t let this go to your head
but I think you are right that they rushed him up before. You can see why they said he is special.
Jeff NJ-That 47 points higher and more than double the HR’s of all the other first basemen combined. It’s also more HR’s than Big Papi.
nick in sf, wouldnt joba be in more games of the playoffs (albeit less innings) if he were in the pen? this is all assuming we make the playoffs but theoretically he could have an impact on the outcome of more games in the pen. i only bring it up because if he really does have limits and reaches it sooner than later, they wont let him start. or they will and only let him pitch 4 innings. if thats what they are going to do id almost rather see him in the pen at that point then have him be limited to his work as a starter.
Nick,
you think a Stasburg Truther Society even exists?
“JB-Couldn’t the Yanks offer obscene amounts of cash to lure him away?”
That’s not how the draft works.
PJH®-I’m not obsessed. I’d far rather him be a starter, but right now the Yankees’ hand may be forced since our bullpen is awful and our closer is old and POSSIBLY declining.
Anyway, he will definitely be a reliever come playoff time if Wang is effective because you have only four starters in the playoffs.
pjh, im only playing devil’s advocate because there is a mystery innings limit for joba that we all hear about but dont really know how it will affect him come september/october.
Someone Else-I meant to the Nats to get the pick.
Nick in SF-It’s not hitting the panic button, it’s realizing that he’s hitting 190.
I’m sure he’ll come out of it but he’s not out of it and is hurting the team batting third.
Also Nick, our bulpen didn’t look so great going three innings vs. the Royals, or Indians, or two games ago with Mo.
I wish the circumstances could keep him as a starter, but unfortuantely that may just not be true.
To further my previous comment, the ball is a lot heavier in baseball. A golf ball gives hardly any resistance to a swing. A baseball on the other hand, well we’ve all seen players shake their hands after not hitting it on the sweet spot. It’s because of the weight and speed of the baseball and the strength of the player.
i’m in the baseball industry in san diego. i’ve seen him pitch several times. the hype is real. i think he could be a #3 starter in the ml right now. it seems boras wants a $45 mil deal.
“Someone Else-I meant to the Nats to get the pick.”
You can’t trade picks.
Zach: it does now!
Shame Spencer: I’m not talking about the playoffs, I’m talking about the regular season. If Joba is knocking on the door of his innings limit in September, the bullpen for the stretch drive and the postseason would seem likely, but it’s May 9. The most important thing is to let him keep developing as a starter because 1) he’s arguably been our best starter this far and 2) that will take care of the innings limit issue next season and moving forward.
Bythe way, mlb baseball channel is showing game 6 of the 1977 WS…It’s the Reggie 3 dinger game…..By the way, when Reg first came to NY in 1977, he struggled into mid May…..
Someone Else-I didn’t know that. I’m not big on the baseball draft, I was going by what I know from the football draft. Thanks.
Spin it however you like, Texmvp. You ‘keep the faith’, I’ll keep Tex batting 3rd.
Pat M-It’s a sign! Three HR’s from Tex!
Nick in SF-What doo you mean “spin it”? I love Tex and think he’ll be great, but he’s hurting the lineup in the three hole. Has nothing to do with keeping the faith.
We’re back to Joba being in the pen again
Some of you need to go back to posting on minor league threads cuse clearly you aren’t ready for major league threads yet.
raymagnetic-Seriously, I want him as starter, but our pen needs a serious dose of medicine and Joba is right there, waiting.
I’m in the baseball industry, specifically a coach for my local Cal Ripken little league and my sources tell me this guys is the real deal. He can probably be a 1 – 5 starter right now for any major league team, meaning he can start game 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5, he can basically pitch every day, that’s how good he is – or so my sources tell me.
why would they settle for less than $45M?
Are you saying the Sox or Yankees would not pay that for 5 years??
What did Daisuke get again?
If Strasburg wants it, he’s getting $45M. Somebody will pay it.
raymagnetic, go back to reading the posts.. we’re discussing the plans for joba in the post season given his innings limit. i dont think anyone here is still thinking he belongs in the pen full time, he’s been too good as a starter and has shown his arm can handle it. but if theyre gonna limit him they way they say they are, a stint in the pen at the end of the season seems inevitable…
If the Nats don’t pick Strasberg #1, the line of people going for Stan Kasten’s head will stretch from Nats Park to the White House.
That said, he needs time in the minors to work on mechanics or he’s going to get injured. If the Nats try to milk him for box office too fast, they’ll lose him just as fast — and you shouldn’t waste #1 picks like that.
How about they move all the starters to the bullpen…
all the bullpen guys get converted to starters…
but start the game with bullpen arms and relieve them with starters.
see what i’m saying?
oh, and make Dave Eiland hitting coach.
In the postseason it is a given that he is in the pen. There is no arguement if Wang comes back and does well because in the playoffs you go to four starters and with Wang, no Hughes, making Joba youngest.
Hey that CC fellow is pretty talented. We should make him out 8th inning specialist!
Joba is just a ready made eighth inning guy with experience there. I want the circumstances to allow him to start, but with our bullpen this bad, will they?
I love you, Tex! Now bat in front of Francisco Cervelli!
And what’s this about making Joba youngest? Hmmm, that makes Andy Pettitte oldest. Is he your game one starter?
Don’t panic!
Shame Spencer,
I’ve read the entire thread of posts. I’ve seen posts stating that Joba’s should go to the pen because the bullpen is so bad. That’s what I’m referring to.
As far as Joba’s to the pen in the postseason, let’s see this team make it their and then that bridge can be crossed when they get to it.
you guys are all blowing this out of proportion.. im not saying put all our starters in the pen.. im saying there is one starter (joba) that is on a tight limit and we’ve already seen they arent going to let him push the envelope this year. it stands to reason that he will end up in the pen again this season, not because the yankees are morons and jumping the gun but because it will be the only way to still allow him to pitch and be an effective member of our team as well as limiting his work load. i fully support joba as our future number 1 starter.. i love the kid as a starter.
Nick in SF-What? You have a guy as young as Joba, he’s not pitching in the playoffs. Period.
Yeah, I love Tex. I propose switching him with Matsui, making ARod in front of him and Swish behind him. Pretty good.
He’s hitting 190. He will pull it together, I’m sure of it, but right now he is just doing well at all.
Just here with a drive-by but I quickly scanned earlier posts and want to say that my belief is that Teixeira is a superb offensive player and we will definitely see that superb offensive player show up. Just like we waited around for almost an entire season for Clemens to become the Clemens we signed for, so will we just have to wait it out as long as we do for Tex. Cool heads should be able to reassure themselves that we have a great player in him and that things will turn around when they do and we need to be patient in the meantime. And then if we could only give him the respect and space for that to happen and let the Yankees manage the Yankees, we’d all be happier. (I know I would!)
raymagnetic-That was me that brought that up. I agree more or less with Spencer’s points.
In the future if we get a pen, Joba should 100% start, but right now we need a bullpen more than we need an effective starter.
By the way, and back to the issue of the YSLP (Yankee Stadium Launching Pad), this should be an interesting read:
*From ESPN.com’s Tristan H. Coc*croft: “The only players with 10 or more line drives who had a higher home run/line drive percentage in April than Melky Cabrera were Carlos Pena (23.1%), Prince Fielder (21.4%), Lyle Overbay (20.0%), Jermaine Dye (16.7%), Albert Pujols (15.4%), Grady Sizemore (15.4%) and Carlos Quentin (14.3%). Now tell me that there isn’t something to the wind at the new Yankee Stadium. Cabrera homered on two line drives there in the first month of the season after having only two home runs on 234 line drives in his entire career entering 2009. Cabrera’s percentage on fly balls, incidentally, is 33.3 percent. Again, he has capitalized on some very good conditions at his new home ballpark.”*
ray i agree we’re making the assumption we get to the playoffs here.. but also, what about september? i mean, this is all a guessing game of course but what if we’re in a race at the end to make the playoffs and joba is coming up on his limit. he might not just be there for october but also september.
again, im just playing devils advocate because really what else is there to talk about until pete posts another update
trisha-I agree 100% that Tex will pull out of it but he’s not out of it and is hurting the team by batting so high up.
Later y’all. Time to go and continue to unoffice my office – or what will soon be my former office.
I really don’t think Yankee Stadium is a launching pad.
It’s a one month aberration.
“How many sure-fire prospects have failed before?
Hughes and Kennedy come to mind first.”
Stephen Strasburg is (almost) 21 and is a college pitcher.
Hughes is 22 and took a no-hitter into the 7th when he was 20. Against MLB hitters.
Tex, I’m sorry, but I have read your arguments about both Tex and Joba, and I am not convinced. That’s about as clearly as I can put it.
I hope Boras gets a couple of free tickets to see the Yankees minor league game so he can introduce this kid to Tommy John. He’ll get very familiar with that name within 2 years.
All right, Nick. Fair enough.
Seriously I’m all for Joba the starter. Joba the starter for President. But our bullpen is just SOOOOO bad.
Just curious: Do players have to go through the draft, or can they be signed as free agents? How does MLB make the decision about who can be drafted and who can be signed?
What’s worse?
“Joba to the pen” debates or white pants after Labor Day?
Zach in Port Jeff-What’s wrong with to the pen debates?
Just becuase you feel he should be a starter doesn’t mean it’s a dumb debate.
Put CC, AJ, Pettitte and Hughes in the pen too. Let Veras, Edwar and Alby start. Let them go 5-7 innings a game, then bust out the talent. The only innings that matter are the 7th-9th right?
“why would they settle for less than $45M?
Are you saying the Sox or Yankees would not pay that for 5 years??
What did Daisuke get again?
If Strasburg wants it, he’s getting $45M. Somebody will pay it.”
Unfortunately for Strasburg, the draft doesn’t work like that.
If the Nationals draft him and fail to sign him, he can’t play for ANY of the 30 teams until someone drafts him NEXT year.
Only if a player goes undrafted does he become a free agent. Strasburg would not become a free agent.
Do you know why pitchers shouldn’t fail to sign?
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....harrington
TexMVP,
Just stop it, please? Right now the Yankees have one of the worst starting rotations in the league and you want to make it even worse by moving Joba’s to the pen.
Sorry but that doesn’t make any sense to me. If you can see a possible ace starter is > a good relief pitcher well then there’s nothing I can say to you that’ll change your mind.
Texmvp-You didnt answer my question, but from what I can gather, I take it your choice would be white pants after Labor Day.
Tom in N.J.-I’m playing Devil’s Advocate I know but we have three and potentially four or if Hughes is good even five good starters, but our bullpen is awful. Joba would fix that for sure.
i think the pen debate is only relevant because hes on an innings limit. if they werent going to limit him and let him pitch 200 innings this year, there would be no room for it. but the fact is he is going to be skipped or severely limited later on in the season. thats my only point. but as long as he can start, he should in my opinion no matter how bad our pen is. if they cant fix the pen from within then we’re screwed with or without joba.
“Zach in Port Jeff-What’s wrong with to the pen debates?
Just becuase you feel he should be a starter doesn’t mean it’s a dumb debate.”
It is beyond a dumb debate. The Yankees have given absolute NO inclination to waste an ace-in-the-making as a relief pitcher. Period. End of story. Not happening. Ever. Stop thinking about it.
You might as well discuss converting Sabathia to a closer, or ARod to a pinch hitter.
You’re wasting your time, and making yourself look stupid.
“Tom in N.J.-I’m playing Devil’s Advocate I know but we have three and potentially four or if Hughes is good even five good starters, but our bullpen is awful. Joba would fix that for sure.”
And our bench is horrible. I bet ARod could fix that.
raymagnetic-Our rotation is bad but our pitchers are all great and will almost certainly turn it around. The bullpen is a different matter. If you don’t realize that there’s nothing I could say to change YOUR mind.
Why do people get all offended at other people’s opinions?
Zach, I would in fact take white pants after labor day.
Pat M
Those two teams in the 77 WS had some real talent on them.
The Yankees need to get Mickey Rivers to work Gardner on his hitting.
Someone Else-Why not?
I love Joba the starter, but on an innings limit and with a bad pen it would make sense for him to be a pen guy.
Zach, I would in fact take white pants after labor day.
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White Capri pants?
“I dont put too much faith in swing speed since it can vary for a player.”
docbooch-
do you also not put much faith in a pitcher’s throwing velocity since it can vary for the pitcher?
” Hitters get long in the zone and bear down when they have two strikes on them or the game is on the line. Their bat speed get significantly reduced trying to make contact and punch it over the infieldes heads.”
i wish yankee hitters did have different swings for different situations. arod has one swing -all out. swisher, nady, etc all the same. maybe matsui, posada, jeter do things to shorten their stroke when they get two strikes or there are runners in scoring position. most mlb hitters don’t change a thing.
“”Hitting homeruns is a different story and relies on it more, but I would think strength has more to do with it. You swinging a bat 98 mph and say Sheffield swinging at 98 mph are two different things because of the forgiveness of the bat on contact. The stronger you are the less forgiveness and the farther the ball travels, basic physics.”"
you’re right that where the maximum velocity takes place make’s a big difference. if it happens before contact that isn’t the same as when it happens at contact or slightly past contact ideally if contact had not slowed down the bat) .
if someone is swinging a bat that would be 98mph at a point slightly after the impact area, the kind of” forgiveness” strength you are talking about doesn’t really matter. i think that’s a gold gym type myth. when you connect with a swing that has it’s potential maximum velocity coming slightly after impact, it feels like going through butter. the longest home runs have no feel of recoil. the bat goes right through the ball. on a bad swing or not hitting the ball solid on a good part of the bat, i can see your point about being strong helping.
players like aaron and soriano generated/generate absolutely amazing acceleration through the ball. neither of them loses the kind of bat speed after impact that you mention by not being really strong in a gold’s gym kind of way.
the only reason i mention this is that it’s a myth that swing speed comes from huge muscles because that’s not necessarily true. i will give you that the almost two pound bat and the heavier ball on impact change the physics compared to golf so more strength is involved.
hitters like aaron and soriano have to have more strength than a golfer to accelerate the bat into the impact position.
a really good swing is a throw if that makes any sense. everything is released through the hands. there is no muscling the ball to prevent bat recoil. that would result in a very slow swing if that were done.
Honestly, if the Yankees could, right now, trade AJ Burnett for Bobby Jenks, would you do that?
If not, can you see how stupid it would be to trade Joba the starter for Joba the reliever? It’s essentially the same trade, at this point.
raymagnetic-Ever heard of Mo? Closer since 1997 and MVP of the 1999 WS and 2003 ALCS?
But obviously, starters are in every situation that ever comes up more valuable.
I just got back from Home Depot – and the topic here is Joba to the ‘pen? After his last start? Again?
You’ve got to be kidding me. This has got to stop.
I’ll check back later in hopes of something more intelligent.
“I love Joba the starter, but on an innings limit and with a bad pen it would make sense for him to be a pen guy.”
Do you know WHY he’s on an innings limit?
Do you have ANY concept for why the Yankees made him a reliever in 2007?
Do you understand WHY the Yankees started him in 2008 as a reliever and then transitioned him to starting?
Can you fathom WHAT his ceiling is as a starter?
Do you know how much LOWER his ceiling is as a reliever?
Do you realize HOW much shorter a typical ‘ace’ reliever’s career is than a typical ‘ace’ starter?
Someone Else-No it isn’t. First of all we have more proof he’s a great reliever not as much a great starter (I think he could be great, but there isn’t really proof), second of all he’s on an innings limit and our bullpen is terrible, kils two birds there with one stone, strenghthens the bulpen and fixes the innings limit dilemma.
“raymagnetic-Ever heard of Mo? Closer since 1997 and MVP of the 1999 WS and 2003 ALCS?
But obviously, starters are in every situation that ever comes up more valuable.”
How many Mariano Riveras have there been in the HISTORY OF BASEBALL? One. ONE closer who succeeded for over a decade, at his high level. EVER.
How many ‘ace’ starters have there been? A lot more than one.
Keep pretending Joba could be as good as Rivera. Because, I’d theorize that as a reliever, he’d be worth a lot less.
our bench is awful too, so let’s put Arod on it so he can be used to pinch hit for Pena or Cash late in the games.
Someone Else-For whatever the reasons we need a bullpen guy more than we need a starter. I’m sure he could be a great starter. But we don’t need that. We need a great reliever.
Mo has had a nice long dominant career.
“Someone Else-No it isn’t. First of all we have more proof he’s a great reliever not as much a great starter (I think he could be great, but there isn’t really proof), second of all he’s on an innings limit and our bullpen is terrible, kils two birds there with one stone, strenghthens the bulpen and fixes the innings limit dilemma.”
So, the answer to my questions is ‘no’, you have absolutely NO concept for what the Yankees are doing, because you’re too dumb to figure it out.
Thanks.
“Someone Else-For whatever the reasons we need a bullpen guy more than we need a starter. I’m sure he could be a great starter. But we don’t need that. We need a great reliever.
Mo has had a nice long dominant career.”
Then let’s trade Burnett for Bobby Jenks, and pay his full salary. There, I solved the ‘too many starters’ problem, and got us a stud 8th inning reliever.
Someone Else.
Didn’t see your post.
Great minds?
Here’s Bobby Jenks – http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/p.....age/288962
That’s about what could be expected from reliever-Joba.
Joba’s been better than Burnett since converting to a starter.
That would be a GREAT TRADE to make, no?
“Don’t let this go to your head but I think you are right that they rushed him up before. ”
maine yankee-
i’ve found that the more you learn about the game, the more you realize what you don’t know. it’s a never ending quest.
Someone Else-He could be as good, but for shorter period of time. Then he’ll just be really good.
Goose Gossage is in the Hall. Rollie Fingers is in the Hall. Sparky Lyle won a Cy Young.
Tom in N.J.-A bench and a bullpen are two different things.
Your point is that putting Joba in the pen is as valuable as making ARod a pinch hitter. But pen and bench are two differnt things. As a position player for one thing ARod also plays third. For another, if he’s starting every day there is no need for a good pinch hitter. What you would do is take out a great hitter and make him hit sometimes and replace him with a bad player. But with Joa you take him out and replace him with Hughes (who can be very good) AND lock up the seventh and eighth innings, while not worrying about the innings limit.
Teixeiramvp (I’m keeping the faith) (Not the troll)
May 9th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
raymagnetic-Ever heard of Mo? Closer since 1997 and MVP of the 1999 WS and 2003 ALCS?
But obviously, starters are in every situation that ever comes up more valuable
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You do realize Mo is a reliever because he wasn’t good enough to be a starter?
Someone Else-Burnett has PROVEN he’s a great starter and he’s not on an innings limit. Besides we don’t have too many starters.
Although I’ve have not seen Strasburg throw this season, the guys that I’ve spoken to who have seen him & one was a base ump, says he does indeed throw….However they general opinion is that the numbers are inflated….In fact, they didn’t think he threw noticably harder than Cole did….The Boras PR dept. doing their job….
“randy
He looked more like a complete pitcher now. Also can see that he has developed physically as well. Looked bigger and stronger.
Don’t let this go to your head but I think you are right that they rushed him up before. You can see why they said he is special.”
I actually totally disagree that he was rushed.
Why?
Because his Major League failures were necessary for the Yankees (and Hughes) to tweak his repertoire, etc.
Without that failure, we might be looking at an age 22 Hughes that is no different than the age 20 Hughes we saw. He’s developed, but that failure had a big part in his development.
MaineYankee-Yes I do. So? If he were a great starter I really don’t think we’re winning quite as much.
Lsten, Joba can be a great starter. But we don’t need that. We need a great reliever. It’s not making a trade, it’s trying to get the best out of our players.
We don’t need a great starter?? WHAT???
Please go back to logic school! That made my head hurt!
Who was the MVP of our dynasty?
It was MO. Not Andy. Not Clemens. Not Cone. Not Key
It was MO. We have found the apparent to Mariano, why would we want to mess with that? The kid loves the spotlight and proved he can do it in NY. He had an aura around him as a reliever and become a folk hero because of it.
We have found the next Mariano. Let him be the SU man and eventually take over for him. We’ll instantly have the best bullpen in baseball too and we would have found our successor. Finding a successor to MO is the hardest thing anybody can do. But we have that guy. Let him be in the pen where he belongs.
Nick in SF-We have lots of great starters.
Our problem is bullpen.
“Someone Else-Burnett has PROVEN he’s a great starter and he’s not on an innings limit. Besides we don’t have too many starters.”
Um, Burnett has a career 3.85 ERA. That’s good. Not great.
He had over a 4.00 ERA last year. Has over a 5.00 ERA this year. Yeah, he’s better than that, but Joba’s ALREADY BETTER THAN HE IS.
Joba is on an innings count for the sole purpose of protecting his arm. He gets to 150 IP this year, 180 IP next year, than has no innings limit in 2011.
By that time, he could be one of the best starting pitchers in BASEBALL.
But you, like most spoiled, dumb fans, keep thinking he’ll be Rivera 2.0, and ignore the fact that he could be one of the best starting pitchers of this generation.
“Lsten, Joba can be a great starter. But we don’t need that. We need a great reliever. It’s not making a trade, it’s trying to get the best out of our players.”
My head just exploded, just like the movie scanners.
“MaineYankee-Yes I do. So? If he were a great starter I really don’t think we’re winning quite as much.
Lsten, Joba can be a great starter. But we don’t need that. We need a great reliever. It’s not making a trade, it’s trying to get the best out of our players.”
You really are stupid.
I’m out.
Even if Joba is a great starter, in the bullpen he’d be even better because he could throw harder while in the pen.
“We don’t need a great starter?? WHAT???
Please go back to logic school! That made my head hurt!”
I know. It’s hilarious.
I guess we should go ahead and release Sabathia.
Why can’t we be like the 2005 White Sox and have all of our starters throw 8-9 innings every game? It’s possible.
We’re pretty much going to have to do that if we want to win this year. This bullpen is deplorable. Bruney can’t pitch everyday, (or every other day like he has this season when he was healthy) unless you want him back on the DL.
What is with you people? I disagree, so I’m stupid?
Newsflash: I’m not always right. I believe I am, of course, like everybody. But I’m wrong, A LOT.
So are the rest of you. Just becuase you disagree doesn’t make me stupid. Doesn’t make me an idiot. Doesn’t prove my eternal dumbness.
So please, just continue the debate if you want to. If not, don’t. But don’t insinuate my stupidity when you disagree. Say you disagree, state why, respond and wait for my response. Because you’re not always right.
.” You swinging a bat 98 mph and say Sheffield swinging at 98 mph are two different things because of the forgiveness of the bat on contact. The stronger you are the less forgiveness and the farther the ball travels, basic physics”
docbootch-
i enter into evidence johnny damaon’s swing
if “forgiveness” of the kind you mention occurs at impact how does damon’s swing that releases the top hand on impact send the ball into the second deck ?
Burnett is a mediocre starter (or a tick above mediocre). Great arm. mediocre results. ERA the last 3 years is just under 4.
Joba is better than him already. His IP limits is keeping him from being anything more than a #5 but in ability, he is our #2.
Someone Else-It’s hilarious that you resort to calling me stupid then talk to other bloggers about my stupidity. Hysterical, in fact. Tommy has a point. Which is my point.
The only reason I was a Joba starter guy before was because I loved Melancon, but he’s not here and for him to be ready we should probably wait a year.
“What is with you people? I disagree, so I’m stupid?”
No. You disagreeing is not why you’re stupid.
Correlated, but not causal, relationship.
Joba Da Heat-A little better than mediocre.
Someone Else-Yes it is. You think my points are wrong, so I’m stupid.
“We don’t need a great starter?? WHAT???”
nick in sf-
if we don’t need a great one, i know just the perfect one
Teixeiramvp (I’m keeping the faith) (Not the troll)
May 9th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Even if Joba is a great starter, in the bullpen he’d be even better because he could throw harder while in the pen.
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You can decide that on two incomplete seasos as either a starter or reliever. I guess you better lend the Yankees your crystal ball.
I can see where everyone is coming from
But unless you think our starters are going to pitch 8 innings every night, you’re going to have to fix the bullpen in some way. And no, relying on Melancon to ride in on the white horse is not the answer.
Don’t want Joba in the pen? I agree. But then Cashman better have another solution lined up. A trade or something.
“Burnett is a mediocre starter (or a tick above mediocre). Great arm. mediocre results. ERA the last 3 years is just under 4.
Joba is better than him already. His IP limits is keeping him from being anything more than a #5 but in ability, he is our #2.”
And he’s 23, and will continue to get better. By the time he’s 27, he could be one of the BEST PITCHERS IN BASEBALL.
There’s a reason Sabathia and Santana are paid more than the best relievers.
BECAUSE THEY ARE WORTH MORE.
MaineYankee-Has nothing to do with his seasons. As a reliever it’s less innings, so you could go all out in them.
I really hope the MLB draft allows trading of picks for picks/players someday. It would really make things interesting.
Can you imagine what teams would be offering for Strasberg?
Would you offer the Nats, Hughes and a #1 for him?
MLB is missing out on the fun part of drafts which is the wheeling dealing.
Personally… I would rather miss the playoffs again this year than move Joba to the pen this year.
“Someone Else-Yes it is. You think my points are wrong, so I’m stupid.”
The fact that you keep pretending that a 1 year innings limit is a reason to convert him to a reliever for the rest of his career, is, indeed, quite stupid.
Sorry.
“Personally… I would rather miss the playoffs again this year than move Joba to the pen this year.”
Agreed. It’s the one move that would make me walk away from the team for at least a year.
Pitt Yanks-Exactly. And Joba in the pen may be the solution.
You think he should start (which is my ideal scenario) but at lest you’re not becoming agressive.
Someone Else-Is a Joba on an innings limit or a Joba not throwing as hard worth more? And anyway, bulpen is our problem far more than starters.
“MaineYankee-Has nothing to do with his seasons. As a reliever it’s less innings, so you could go all out in them.”
If the Padres were to call up the Yankees, and offer Peavy OR Heath Bell for Ian Kennedy, straight up, would you rather have Peavy, or Bell?
“Because his Major League failures were necessary for the Yankees (and Hughes) to tweak his repertoire, etc.
Without that failure, we might be looking at an age 22 Hughes that is no different than the age 20 Hughes we saw. He’s developed, but that failure had a big part in his development.”
that’s good. i’m impressed. with spin like that you really need to get into politics.
…or at least working for cashman
Joba innings limit is to ensure that he could one day throw 200+.
Put him in the ‘pen now and you are stunting his growth.
Trust me, in 2 years or so, teams will be wishing that the Yankees kept him in the ‘pen.
Someone Else-In your opinion.
In my opinion, the bullpen is a big problem, Joba is on an innings limit and has shown dominance as reliever, so why not uuse him to relieve?
Seriously, you’d rather miss the playoffs again? Never.
“Someone Else-Is a Joba on an innings limit or a Joba not throwing as hard worth more? And anyway, bulpen is our problem far more than starters.”
Then let’s trade Burnett for Bobby Jenks, and pay both their salaries. Ta da, solution. Joba > Burnett, and since Joba-reliever > Joba-starter (:rofl:), Bobby Jenks > Burnett.
There, there’s our solution.
Randy I
Absolutely great post on hitting. I agree that for some reason these stars who are bigger faster, stronger playing in bandboxes compared to old stadiums don’t change their swings according to situations. They bulk up instead of building up core strength. In days past it was a sin to bulk up because you lost speed and flexibility. And so on.
Teixmvp, I’m sorry people are hurting your feelings. But the arguments you are making… they are not good. They are bad.
If you have watched this season of Yankee baseball so far and concluded that we have too many great starters in our rotation… well, I disagree.
Enjoy the game tonight.
“Someone Else-In your opinion.
In my opinion, the bullpen is a big problem, Joba is on an innings limit and has shown dominance as reliever, so why not uuse him to relieve?
Seriously, you’d rather miss the playoffs again? Never.”
Let me guess – last year was the first time since you’ve been a fan that the Yankees missed the playoffs?
JOBA HAS SHOWN DOMINANCE AS A STARTER. HE HAS BEEN ONE OF THE BEST STARTERS IN BASEBALL SINCE TRANSITIONING.
Tell me, exactly how valuable would Joba have been in the 8th innings for the past week? Because, last I recall, we didn’t have a SINGLE LEAD to protect?
Anyway, I’m out. This is like arguing with someone who believes the earth is flat.
Teixeiramvp (I’m keeping the faith) (Not the troll)
May 9th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
MaineYankee-Has nothing to do with his seasons. As a reliever it’s less innings, so you could go all out in them.
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My point is he hasn’t proven he’s a “great” closer based on less than one season. Velocity isn’t the main criteria to be good. Look at Farnsworth as an example.
Someone Else-Trading for Bobby Jenks makes no sense because Burnett is a proven starter.
Actually I really would rather have gotten Jenks than Burnett if only since he’s injury prone, but that’s neither here nor there. Joba can be better than Jenks. Yes, as good as Mo.
Nick in SF-You too.
MaineYankee-Oh, overal about a full season I thought.
Too many Joba fans here.. not enough Yankee fans.
Besides Someone Else, if it were me I’d have Mo pitch to Pena in the first Rays game then brought Joba in, then I would have Mo sit out and have had Joba pitch the second game.
what does this have to do with a yankees blog? Pete, open up 3 blogs. 1 for yankees 1 for your arod hating and 1 for your springsteen, ipod etc.. bs and patriots
Did anyone notice, in the earlier article, that Cervelli called the game without help from the bench. That is unbelievable. For a rookie in his first game, catching the number one pitcher, after an extended meeting with the pitcher and the pitching coach called the game. I am now even more impressed with the pitch selection. If he can hit 250 the Yankees have something special.
I love Joba and the Yankees. But Yanks first.
In a perfect world Joba should start. But our bullpen is awful.
Seriously if you believe so strongly about this call Francesa and tell him. Not using Francesa as a source since he’s wrong a lot, but it would be fascinating.
See you guys. Despite this, it’s been fun.
Bo Knows is in the house…..Randy’s critque on hitting may have been one of the week’s best postings….When I played in the eraly 70’s it was all about strength flexability…Isometric exercises is what was promoted in those days….Until Brian Downing came along and bulked up things started to change
Doc Booch:
“Hitting homeruns is a different story and relies on it more, but I would think strength has more to do with it. You swinging a bat 98 mph and say Sheffield swinging at 98 mph are two different things because of the forgiveness of the bat on contact. The stronger you are the less forgiveness and the farther the ball travels, basic physics.”
“Forgiveness” doesn’t enter into it. You either have the strength to accelerate a 32-33 ounce bat to a certain velocity, or you don’t. The equation for kinetic energy (of a bat head as well as any other object) is Ke = 1/2 m v ^ 2. The v is squared, which is why it’s more advantageous to use a light bat than, say, the 36-52 ounce bats Ruth used.
Follow-through can aid in increasing speed and travel distance since the contact time of bat and ball is increased slightly (F times delta t = delta p, or the force times the change in time equals the change in momentum). The physical determinant is how long the ball and bat are in contact multiplied by the force of the collision.
A bat speed increase of 1 MPH will cause a 94 mph fastball to travel 8 feet farther (given identical trajectory and position strike on the bat). That why steroids are so helpful for power hitting. Many abusers can easily increase their bat speed by 6-8 mph, making their optimal dives carry 48-64 feet farther, and their sub-optimal drives carry a good portion of these gains.
Sheffield had tremendous bat speed in his prime, but not the optimal mechanics (swing angle) to hit true tape-measure (450+ foot) home runs.
Now you see what I go thru with this kid. LOL
This morning, it was take Tex out of the 3 spot in the order. Disregarding of course, last night was the first game all year he had Arod hitting behind him.
But fear not, he’s giving him, “one more game” to get it together.
How charitable.
Now it’s, Joba to the bullpen because we have “great starters”.
These “great starters” currently rank 27th in starting pitching.
If they make the playoffs, Joba will probably pitch out of the pen.
Let’s hope they have that “problem”.
“Did anyone notice, in the earlier article, that Cervelli called the game without help from the bench. That is unbelievable. For a rookie in his first game, catching the number one pitcher.”
Noticed it. But I don’t really buy it. I think it’s more true that the #1 starter called his own game.
Tremendous throw though, getting Roberts in the 1st.
Tex…
So typing 4,000 entries saying the same thing is your idea of debate. Gigo – rinse and repeat. Verbiage – Faulty premise, yell louder, etc. Have you considered a career in
Television Evangelism?
With the bullpen problems I was all for the jobo to the bullpen gang.But then I saw the red sox game….
I love the oft-repeated myth that Mariano was moved to the bullpen because he wasn’t good enough to start.
WRONG
Mariano only got to make ten starts in the majors, and he wasn’t all that good, 3-3, 5.94 but that’s far from conclusive evidence he wasn’t good enough to start. In fact he threw eight shutout innings allowing two hits and striking out 11 in one of those starts.
The truth is he was strictly a startin the minors from 1992-95 and in those four seasons his ERA was 2.63.
He had trouble staying healthy — he never made more than 22 starts in a season — and his stamina — less than 5 1/3 innings/start — was not impressive and THAT’S why he was moved to the bullpen.
bo knows -
i’ve probably spent way more time than i should learning how to project a stone or ball into space with or without a club or bat.
but you are right that baseball strength is mostly about speed and flexibility.
the obvious question is why then do the big steroid users do so well in hitting home runs like mcguire, canseco,bonds, arod, sosa etc.?
my answer is that because they hit them before using, they were interested in pushing the envelope. the kind of hitter who already has power is attracted to the idea of more power. i think these guys would have hit almost as many home runs anyway.
that said, i think steroids do more than just create muscle bulk. i think steroids do make
muscles react faster. i have nothing to back that up, but i think they do. it’s just not worth it because of all the side effects.
plus you can hit home runs without steroids or peds.
What is the debate today?
Move Tex?
Move Joba?
Let’s get original. I propose we don’t make Tex a starter. Move him to the 8th inning, since we don’t have any good pinch hitters down there. Yeah, that makes perfect Francesa sense.
“With the bullpen problems I was all for the jobo to the bullpen gang.But then I saw the red sox game….”
When he was his own long reliever.
Be interesting to see if he can come with same stuff he had in innings 2-5 the other night to his start tomorrow.
Tiger Woods just hit a 150 yd shot lefty with the clubhead facing upside down and ball against the base of a tree.
If you take steroids and sit on the couch all summer you will be a fat guy with little bitty testicles. Setroids on their own will not make anyone stronger, that is a preposterous falsehood.
Steroid users who work out will get stronger and stronger guys do better in power activities. That’s why steroid abuse is not a problem on the table tennis circuit or in basketball.
It’s rather pointless to engage in a Joba to the pen debate as I don’t believe it’s happening (unless the Yanks make the playoffs….and then it’s only temporary). I guess it passes the time, but it would be more productive to just agree to disagree instead of rehashing the same old arguments.
E-Boli-the13th, I take that as a poke at my post? not sure why you’d go that route. i was simply trying to contribute to the discussion. you are obviously an unhappy, jaded human being. good luck with turning that around.
SJ44-Hey, unfair! (pouting)
Just a drive by, got to go.
About CC calling his own game, I’m sorry you’re wrong. From all I know, a pitcher might want a specific pitch or series of pitches but as to the game he wants the catcher to do the thinking. The pitcher wants to concentrate on execution. Why do you think there is all that talk about rhythm and being on the same page. A pitcher might talk about a certain pitch that was hit but a good catcher will replay the whole game and each at bat even years later. I’ve heard this myself. But we have a catcher in the house, let him weigh in on this.
Do you think Joba uses a pen? Or pencil?
If a pen, is it Papermate? Bic? Staedtler?
86,
Steroids are a problem in many sports, but you don’t hear about them in basketball. At all. Funny, no? I can understand that NBA players wouldn’t want to bulk up because it would slow them down. But they all lift weights on a regular basis. Basketball players need speed, but I guess there would be no benefit of them using the steroids that the track & field guys (& gals) used.
Maybe HGH? To help them recover quickly?
David Stern is too cuddly to risk hurting his feelings with PEDs.
M, I think I read somewhere (NYT, maybe) that in Kirk Radomski’s book he claims to have sold steroids to NBA players.
No, there’s no chance he falls to the Yankees. The Nationals need something to invigorate their franchise and he’s it.”
Anything that hurts the Mets is ok too.
Today is Yankee day on MLB network. They just showed 1977 game 6 and now they’re showing Guidry’s 18 k game.
Reggie’s run through the crowd after the last out was impressive. Was he a running back at Arizona state?
Actually I got the point of the post. I was just pointing out the absurdity of the statement within the story about teaching guys how to properly use steroids.
I don’t know if muscle-oriented PEDs would help hoopsters, but emphedra and other stimulants probably would.
I suppose an undersized big man might use steroids or HGH to build muscle mass/strength.
Randy I
All I was going by was that I’ve never met a good hockey player who couldn’t drive for distance in golf or hit a baseball. If you have hand eye coordination then from there it’s base, balance, body extension . Sports mechanics are all the same. I loved Linecum’s explanation of his mechanics. “The arm goes along for the ride”
“Forgiveness” doesn’t enter into it. You either have the strength to accelerate a 32-33 ounce bat to a certain velocity, or you don’t. The equation for kinetic energy (of a bat head as well as any other object) is Ke = 1/2 m v ^ 2. The v is squared, which is why it’s more advantageous to use a light bat than, say, the 36-52 ounce bats Ruth used.”
that’s exactly what i was going to say but i didn’t want to show off
mattnc-
good stuff.
so how do you know about this?
i know it from messing around with it myself using myself as a guinea pig and reading a bit.
there’s so much more going on that i’d be interested in hearing any good sites you know about that go into swing speed.
as far as other things , for example , i know that holding the wrist angle as long as possible creates the highest velocity. a huge amount of strength comes in holding it longer.
timing this release is a real power generator . i was working on holding my release with a steel shafted 2 iron when i snapped it in two places by holding the wrist angle too long.
once you get the club head going, it’s going to go unless you resist it. i guess that resistance is strength. ironically, for maximum velocity, it’s a holding back the release until all kinds of elastic strength are built up in the body and the club itself.
a bat or a golf club are not straight when they are being accelerated into the ball.
anyway great stuff.
2-0 Tampa
Longoria goes into the black in Fenway
“A bat speed increase of 1 MPH will cause a 94 mph fastball to travel 8 feet farther (given identical trajectory and position strike on the bat).”
mattnc-
technical question.
isn’t 94mph accelerating to 96mph different than 94mph deaccelerating to 92mph?
how is acceleration worked into the equation?
PA, nobody cares. The dude isn’t going to be a Yankee. So, nobody cares. Also talk to me when he’s in the majors, healthy, and doing this. While his stats are impressive, Air Force isn’t exactly the Red Sox.
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....ent-780959
I know the truth hurts……. but, told ya so.