Game 31: Yankees at Orioles
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on May 10, 2009 
Print This Post
| 
Email This Post
YANKEES (14-16)
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Swisher RF
Cano 2B
Cabrera CF
Cervelli C
Pitching: RHP Joba Chamberlain (1-1, 3.77).
Chamberlain vs. the Baltimore hitters.
ORIOLES (13-18)
Roberts 2B
Jones CF
Markakis RF
Huff 1B
Mora 3B
Scott DH
Zaun C
Pie LF
Andino SS
Pitching: RHP Koji Uehara (2-3, 4.42).
Uehara vs. the New York hitters.
TIME/TV: 1:35 p.m., YES.
STATE OF THE PINSTRIPES: The Yankees have lost six of seven and are 5-10 in their last 15 games. They are tied for third place in the AL East, 5.5 games out. This the rubber game of a three-game series. They are 2-3 against the Orioles this season.
STAT OF THE DAY: The Yankees have a run differential of -23. Only five teams in baseball are worse — the Padres (-31). Nationals (-27), Orioles (-26), Indians (-25) and Diamondbacks (-24). The team with the best run differential are the 20-8 Dodgers, who are at +59. Hmm, the Dodgers. Interesting.
OTHER STATS OF NOTE: The Yankees are a grim 4-11 against teams in the AL East. … They are 2-12 when they commit an error. … The Yankees are 2-6 in May. … They have had a lead in nine of the previous 59 innings. … They have allowed 190 runs, the most in baseball. … The have scored 167 runs, the fifth-most in baseball.
WHO’S HOT: Johnny Damon is 11 of his last 21 with seven extra-base hits and 10 RBI. … Melky Cabrera has hit safely in 12 of the last 13 games.
WHO’S NOT: Robinson Cano is 3 of his last 30 over six games. His batting average is down to .315He has one RBI and three runs scored over the last 10 games. … Brett Gardner had had three ABs in the last six games.
ANGEL BERROA UPDATE: Berroa was called up on April 21. He has had 12 at-bats and played in seven of the 17 games. He has appeared in one of the last six games. Wouldn’t John Rodriguez or Shelley Duncan be more useful as a pinch hitter?
CAPTAIN SPEED: Derek Jeter has stolen seven bases. He stole 11 all of last season.
Back with much more later on.
UPDATE, 10:12 a.m.: Joba will pitch despite the burst blood vessel in his thumb. … This is the same lineup three days in a row. … Nice day here in Baltimore.
UPDATE, 12:31 p.m.: Mark Teixeira (20 of 102) is in pretty much the worse slump of his career. But Girardi has hit him third in 27 of the 28 games he has started. The manager said its because that’s where he “envisions” Teixeira hitting.
UPDATE, 12:35 p.m.: These are the pink cleats Puma sent Johnny Damon to wear today. He wanted black with a pink stripe so he may not wear them. But he will sign them and give them to MLB to auction off for charity.
Johnny and all the players have on pink wristbands and ribbons today to raise awareness of breast cancer. Some of the guys will use a pink bat as well. We all have a mom and we all probably know somebody who has battled with cancer. So do your part and if you’re interesting in purchasing any of the signed memorabilia, check out MLB.com.
UPDATE, 1:44 p.m.: Teixeira now has seven homers. Maybe that is the shot that gets him going. He’s over .200 at least.
UPDATE, 1:56 p.m.: That right there shows you what the Orioles think of Joba. After Huff crossed the plate, he turned to the dugout and pumped his fist. He was obviously mocking Joba.
The joke in the Baltimore clubhouse this morning was that Joba hurt his thumb pumping his fist.
I personally think it’s fine to show some emotion and that many baseball players are too sensitive. But if Joba is going to do that, he has to back it up and so far this season, he has not.
UPDATE, 2:14 p.m.: Opponents are hitting 13 of 27 (.481) against Joba in the first inning, 20 of 85 (.235) after that. To me, that’s on the coaching staff. Somebody need to figure out why that is and fix it.
UPDATE, 2:21 p.m.: To further the Joba point:
First inning: 6 innings, 13 hits, 9 earned runs, 2 walks, 3 strikeouts, 3 HR. 13.50 ERA
All other innings: 29.2 innings, 23 hits, 6 earned runs, 14 walks, 17 strikeouts, 1 HR. 1.82 ERA.
UPDATE, 3:01 p.m.: What is Melky thinking? He makes a silly, late throw to third base to try and get Wigginton which allows Pie to take second and take the double play out of the mix. Melky is not a good outfielder. He has a good arm but that’s really all he brings to the position.
Meanwhile, that Jeter doesn’t even get a glove on that ball is just grim.
UPDATE, 3:32 p.m.: A moribund effort by the offense so far. Uehara has allowed two runs in 11 innings against the Yankees. He has allowed 17 earned runs in 31.2 innings in his other five starts.
Meanwhile, Joba is three outs away from an acceptable start. He has thrown too many pitches (94 through five innings) but he kept his head in the game and gave them a chance to win.
UPDATE, 3:56 p.m.: Johnny Damon is again the man. 12 for 25, 8 extra-base hits, 13 RBI. Just killing it.
Yankees lead 5-3.
UPDATE, 4:01 p.m.: All that started when Trembley called in a right-hander just to face Francisco Cervelli, who was hitting a .190 in the Eastern League last week. Classic case of over-managing. But they all do it.
Now it’s Phil Coke, hold on for dear life and a sketchy Mo to try and get nine outs in Camden Yards. I’m guessing this doesn’t end 5-3. The Baltimore pen isn’t very good, either.
UPDATE, 4:17 p.m.: So much for Veras, Ramirez, Albaladejo and rest of the firestarters. Girardi is high on Coke.
OK, that’s didn’t come out right. But you get the idea.
UPDATE, 4:20 p.m.: Great job by Coke. 5-3 to the ninth.
UPDATE, 4:25 p.m.: Wow, Melky keeps rocking with the bat. He is 26 of his last 74 and has hit safely in 18 of his last 19 starts. He has run with his second chance. You have to give him credit for doing that.
UPDATE, 4:33 p.m.: It seems strange to say it, but this is a big outing for Mariano Rivera. He needs to quiet some fears here.
UPDATE, 4:37 p.m.: Walking Felix Pie? That’s not quieting the fears, Mo. First walk of the season for Rivera.
UPDATE, 4:40 p.m.: That was the first walk for Rivera since Aug. 24, a stretch of 24 innings. The batter he walked then was Brian Roberts, who is up now with two outs.
UPDATE, 4:41 p.m.: All is well in Yankeeland as Mo slams the door for the save. Yankees win 5-3.
Back later with a report from the clubhouse.
I have to think they are keeping Berorra just thru the Blue Jays series, because I would assume they are thinking of DH’ing A-Rod and may need Berorra at 3rd
Once that series is over, I think Berorra is gone…Pena becomes the backup to A-Rod, and they call up Rodriguez or Duncan as a bench bat.
Although the Yanks like their prospects to get regular playing time so would not SURPRISE me to see Pena sent down, and Berorra the utility man….as much as I would not like to see that.
Had Robbie Cano had a day off this season? Would that help?
Cano will get a day off when this team misses the playoffs.
“Our young pitchers have got to learn to give up two, three runs,” said Johnny Damon, who hit his eighth home run, “stop them there and give us a chance.”
Maybe Johnny should also say this:” our linup has to start to learn to give our pitchers two or three runs to work with. Stop letting the opposing pitcher settle in and don’t give the team a chance to come back”.
I understand Johnny’s frustration in games like these, but mostly the offense has been incredibly bad this season and it would be nice if they took responsibility for the poor play.
I understand Johnny’s frustration in games like these, but mostly the offense has been incredibly bad this season and it would be nice if they took responsibility for the poor play.
If Robbie Cano wilts in the blazing heat of April, by August he will need entire weeks off.
Unless Pena or Berora can play second, it is hard to sit Cano for any length of time. For that matter Jeter hasn’t had much of a rest either and he is pretty long in the tooth for a shortstop.
I would keep Pena and rotate him among the three infield spots
so that way A rod, Jeter and Cano each can look forward to one start off a week. The resting player could DH if desired or be available on the bench.
When Posada returns, we need to think about carrying a third catcher.
Our team has become the victim of mismanagement. Any player of note developed in our system is playing for another team
If we had avoiding the Randy Johnson romance we would have Navarro, Johnson and Rivera.
I support what Girardi is trying to do with the team. I do not lay their lack of success to his door, although he may well pay for the lack of success.
Cashman has the prime responsibility for what has happened to the Yankees.
While it is true we haven’t had high draft priority in years, he hasn’t maximized our picks. He drafts mostly pitchers with high picks then continually goes shopping for expensive veterans that block their path and retard their development.
So if you take away the blowout 18 run loss, we are -5… doesn’t sound too bad to me at all.
“Hmm, the Dodgers. Interesting.”
Come on Pete, you’re not even trying. In 2007 the Dodgers won 82 games and came in 4th place in their division. In 2008, under the “expert” tutelage of Joe Torre, they managed to win a whole 2 MORE GAMES, coming in at 84 wins and winning their division. Which part of that is supposed to impress me?
“Berroa was called up on April 21. He has had 12 at-bats and played in seven of the 17 games. He has appeared in one of the last six games. Wouldn’t John Rodriguez or Shelley Duncan be more useful as a pinch hitter?”
A-Rod just came back and they are cautious to make sure thre is no setback. Once they are sure A-Rod will be alright after a week or so, they will let Berroa go.
Betsy:
“I understand Johnny’s frustration in games like these, but mostly the offense has been incredibly bad this season and it would be nice if they took responsibility for the poor play.”
Pete just posted this: “They have scored 167 runs, the fifth-most in baseball.”
It’s tough to always be coming back after the starter or bullpen gives up the lead again. While the offense if fifth best, it could be first if they start bringing the RISP numbers up.
“Hmm, the Dodgers. Interesting.”
Wait until the end of the year
Run differential is pretty classic.
Yes the Dodgers and imagine that two of the worst that was mentioned Diamondbacks and Padres just happen to play in their division. Not to mention the awful Giants and Rockies.
If the Dodgers don’t win that division they SHOULD fire Torre
If you take out the last four Saturdays the Yanks are + 11.
They should schedule fewer Saturday games.
Pena could definitely spell Cano at 2B. Pick a particularly tough LHP or anyone Cano has struggled against and give it a shot.
Kind of drives home the point that for all the issues with Joe Torre, it has to do with the players. If the pitching was better, the results would have been better.
By the way – Happy Mothers’ Day to all.
Given houw bad the pitching has been, Eiland’s job should be on the bubble if it continues for another weeek. They have no choice but to make a change to shake up things. it won’t be Girardi as much as media wants to stir it up.
Who is available to replace Eiland? Should be an etablished Pitching coach who had success in the majors.
I agree, Murphydog, but many times the offense hasn’t given the SP any room to breathe. Everyone has been a culprit on this team – the offense (might as well say RIP when they have RISP), the SP, the pen……….I just think Damon should stop pointing fingers (granted, he did this to Wang as well), even on nights the SP takes the night off and perhaps start looking at the guys in the lineup. Frankly, I don’t like anyone pointing fingers- and it’s just been Damon doing the pointing.
It’s a beautiful morning here in the Washington DC area. Going out for a little dim sum and then over to Baltimore for the game. Just a little disappointed that Faidley’s is closed today. Pete, you ever go over there to enjoy their famous crabcake sandwich? It’s awesome and I highly recommend.
Didn’t see new thread, re-post:
“Cano has been raking and A-Rod frequently lavishes praise on Long. Melky is back in a groove, Swisher has always struck out a lot. Teix always starts slow and has a bad wrist. Posada was hitting well, Jeter has been slow but is a career .316 hitter. Damon is on fire. Matsui is hitting well…”
All that may well be true murphydog, but what are they with RISP? I lost track after 3 for 54 or something like that, over the past week. Most of their hits are via HR, what happened to situational hitting? How many time has this team left the man on 3rd with less than 2 outs? Mediocre pitchers seem to confound the Yankee hitters. I’m not expecting Long to be a magician & maybe none of this is Long’s fault but he is the hitting coach afterall and will be questioned.
BBFan, I don’t think firing Eiland is the answer when you have young pitchers like Hughes and Joba still in development who have been working with him for the majority of their pitching careers
AP story about last night’s game is all about the O’s response to getting shut out by CC: coming early to watch videotape, more intense BP, determined to have a better game. What do the Yanks do after a loss?
It is not the young pitchers only, even the vetarans are terribly underperforming. It does not matter Who Girardi starts or bringing in from the BP, almost every one is failing. Hopefully, CC turned around and others will follow soon.
From the previous thread….“Do they fire Joe Girardi as a scapegoat and go with Tony Pena?”
I think it is said…you never want to be the guy that replaces a legend, you want to replace the guy that replaced the legend…or something like that.
I wonder if this is the reason why Donnie didn’t get the job…now I wonder if he would even want it.
Let’s face it yesterday you need to throw out the window. The offense isn’t that bad overall. They are driving runs in, need to do a lot and I do say a lot with RISP, but you hope that comes along. They are getting runners on base which they weren’t doing last year. They do fight back, even if it’s a mute point when they lose. Last years team was done if they were losing by a run in the 7th inning.
The issue right now is the pitching. I am a big Hughes fan but he stunk yesterday for sure. I believe though Wang will give better performances than that when he returns. The starters I am not worried about yet, they can come around, they are too good. The bullpen is a nightmare. I thought Cashman should have brought someone in like Cruz who signed with the Royals for not much as insurance when you spent that much money on starters. How you fix it? Who knows, but I assume you hope a few guys turn it around, get healthy and probably go out and take a few relievers who got stupid deals off of other teams hands. Maybe Linebrink from Chicago, Dotel maybe who I wouldn’t want, but having said that the Yankees don’t have a great track record in acquiring or signing guys to the bullpen that pan out.
Man I feel great about today, Tex and the best of all time go back to back today
The yankees will be fine if they find a long man in the pull pen. I disagreed that Joba should not be that person. Let Hughes start or go get another starting pitcher, Forget coke, edwar,veras, and the others who have failed horribly in that role. I know there are plenty of pros and cons about this issue, but winning games is what counts here. Also get berroa out of here and bring up Duncan, It is like the yankee brass is out of touch and is just happy to stay with whats going on. Wake up front office lets get some help?
i don’t think this is the right team for girardi to manage.
girardi needs a young team not a team of veterans stuck in their ways.
when was the last time we felt good about this team?
it has been a long time.i don’t know what the answer is but something need to be done if they don’t turn it around in a week.
what about peterson the pitching coach???
don,
This generation of Yankee brass doesn’t care. Last week Hal Steinbrenner was at the Stadium, in the midst of their terrible homestand, and never even stopped by to talk with Girardi according to the Daily News.
The guy they let get away this year was Juan Cruz pithcing well as a setup guy in KC 2.03 era.
The relievers they need to look at probably lie in Oakland, but the issue is ever making a deal with Billy Beane. A guy like the rehabbing Casilla might be worth a shot though.
Or go get Huston Street from Colorado and hope he returns to form.
I thought that the minor league guys would give us something this year, looks like no. I am sure the Yankees thought there was at least another Coke bound to sprout up.
Injuries:
Horne – the usual
Kennedy – the anuyerism
Hughes – love but absolutely stunk last night. Has to finish off batters, hit Izturis on 0-2, gave Roberts 0-2 a pitch to hit, the defense wasn’t great, but if he gets those two outs, end of inning with what, 1 run?
Sanchez – hurt, released, resigned
Brackman – no where close
Betcances – no where close
Claggat – yikes
Hacker – wasn’t he the talk of the spring for a short period of time???
Melancon – love him, but yikes up here
The list goes on for guys who could have showed up this year and contributed at some point, just looks like it ain’t happening.
Also Isringhausen signing with the Rays. Another guy that possibly gives you a boost at some point.
murphydog-
nothing like a couple of “veterans” to stir things up huh
the way things have worked out with swisher should be a model for the yankees in the future though cashman did make the trade not knowing he was going to get teixeira later.
in effect , once teixeira was signed, swisher was a swingman outfielder/first baseman .as late as the first week he had no set job.
injuries happen on a baseball team. it’s a given. swisher was perfect for the yankees because he’s still relatively young , but still has 5-6 full time years under his belt which he couldn’t have gotten if he was on the yankees since the yankees aren’t going to make the playoffs every year if guys like swisher have to be learn by making mistakes in their early formative years.
so swisher became a veteran at someone else’s expense. that was perfect and now the yankees have that veteran swingman who won’t choke under pressure, have the game speed up on him, or have that deer in the headlights look when things go wrong.
the yankees need to do the same thing with their 6th starter every year. a veteran is needed who has already made young player mistakes somewhere else. there is no way to learn enough at triple a to come directly to the yankees and play like a veteran.
the time to get this swingman/6th starter is in the fall when there are plenty of free agents and teams are willing to trade just like kenny williams was willing with swisher.
i’m not criticizing as much as saying that because of no room for learning on the yankees that the 6th starter/swingman has to be a veteran who can be used erratically and still have the experience to do his job when called upon.
i’m not talking a 4.5 era. a 5.5 -6.00 era will get the job done.
the reason this kind of a bad era works is that it’s better than a 8.00-9-00 era which is what young pitchers thrust into the yankee 6th starter role usually perform at.
the 6th starter role is a pressure role. the only way a pitcher goes into the rotation is if someone goes down or implodes and is desperateley needed. a young pitcher just can’t do it.
joba in the 5th starter role has less pressure than hughes because he doesn’t go down with a few bad starts and it’s designed to have some back up on him. who’s the back up on hughes?
ironically hughes as the 5th starter with a veteran swingman behind him would be the ideal situation next year and he would have less pressure than what he’s facing as the 6th starter right now.
Don – don’t group Phil Coke with Veras and Edwar….. Coke has been pitching great
c’mon pete – i know you’re writing this to get blog hits but seriously the dodgers? they’ve played the beyond horrible teams in their own division like 9 times each already AND they’ve played the astros (and LOST 2 of those games)and the embarrasing Nationals (and lost a game when leading by 6 runs to them)
so lets recap they’ve played the padres like 9 times (i’m exagerrating but they’ve played them at least 6 times already), the rockies, the giants, the d’backs (who are so bad they’ve already fired their manager) the nationals and the astros – Torre should get fired for NOT winning ALL OF THOSE GAMES!!!
i don’t put too much into runs differential but i would think playing the first 30 games against putrid teams like that and the difference should have been more like +100..
Torre was a really bad manager before the yankees and take away the first 5 years he was here and he turned back into the pumpkin that he was..
if you want to play your game – the dodgers are 1-2 since manny left losing to the nationals and padres – possibly the 2 worst teams in the league (not counting the yankees….joking)
i would throw joba in the pen permanently.
look at the red sox.terrible starting pitching,good pen.
i wanted joba too start but baseball has changed.
bruney gets the 7th inning,joba the 8th,mo the 9th.
now the pen is nasy & should fix itself.
then if it works we have some trade bait to get a catcher or another pitcher.
we should of gotten a catcher & someone like greinke last year when we had a better shot at it than we do now.
should of traded hughes & someone else for greinke last year.
greinke is young & would of replaced losing hughes & also replaced joba in the rotation so he can go to the pen.
listen people.when something isn’t working moves have too be made.
the pen is just not getting it done.another option is waiting for bruney & marte & hope it gets better.
I agreed that Giradi made not be the perfect fit for this team, and yes I remember not too long ago the yankee brass would waste no time in getting the players they needed, Mr stienbrenner was the man. His sons i feel know little about this game… Wake up get us some veterans who know how to win here.
Is anyone else concerned that most of our runs this season have been scored on a long ball? Some people here are defending our lineup saying they’ll come around, and im sure they will, but thus far we’ve only won/been close in games because of a few home runs instead of real, gritty baseball.
Let’s face it. This team is overrated. Have been the entire decade. Cashman has no clue and can’t hold a candle to Theo. These are the facts, no sugarcoating, and the players know it too. Cashman thought that by getting CC an A.J. their problems would be over, Wrong! The rest of the team needs fixing and it will take time. Age is a major problem. It will be interesting to see what they do with Damon next year. Maybe a 1 year deal as DH instead of Matsui who shouldn’t return. Sure hope Tex shows he can play under the scrutiny of NY.
should of traded hughes & someone else for greinke last year.
============================
Oh yeah, because a guy with a history of social anxiety disorder would really thrive in new york with 50 beat reporters in his grill 24/7.
gimme a break!
5th in the league in runs scored 30th in runs allowed. as bad as the offense is with RISP the problem is plain and simple there pitching is pathetic…
how there pitching is this bad is oncomprehensible, either things need to change fast or they need to waive numerous pen arms, fire the pitching coach, or do something else. standing pat is not a course of action.
the point about the offense not getting out of the gates well each game is true but again over 5.85 ERA is terrible….
should of traded hughes & someone else for greinke last year.
========================
c’mon, if we were gonna get rid of hughes we shoulda done it for santana, everybody knows that ;P
the yankees are losing to everybody.it is about winning.
torre just flat out wins.he brought life back to the dodgers.
it doesn’t matter who the dodgers are beating.
the yankees are losing to baltimore,kc & have a much better team.
the yankees are a good team but should of been more proactive instead of reacting to problems.
we knew posada wouldn’t catch a lot.we should of signed a catcher & traded for a young pitcher.
hughes & one or two prospects for greinke or someone similar.
we have zero pitching debth.
coke has not been pitching great but he has been pitching acceptable. our pitching is so bad people confuse adequate with great…
a 5 ERA is not great nor adequate.
adequate very low bar; joba,bruney, coke,pettitte and mariano(believe it or not).
crappy; aj, hughes, wang, veras, ramirez, marte, and the rest all of them…
good pitching so far; no ONE, NADA, ZIPPO
Happy Mothers Day to all the moms on the blog.
She, like Pete’s mom, was my greatest fan and supporter as I looked to pursue a career in sports.
She was a diehard Yankee fan. She is the person that turned me onto the Yankees at the age of 4.
She lived in Connecticut and didn’t drive a car. She would take the train to about 20-25 games a year, usually with me in tow, and watched the rest of the games on Channel 11.
She kept score at every game she attended. She taught me how to keep score.
She knew trivia, stats, and just about anything you can ask about a Yankee player from 1940 until the time she died in 1993.
When I was in college, we used to take her to the campus bar and make her part of our sports trivia team.
Mom helped the team win a few beers during that time and enjoyed every minute of it.
There isn’t a day that goes by that I don’t think about her.
I think about how she would be enjoying my nephew’s success and the possibility of him getting drafted very high in the MLB Draft in June.
She, like me HATED the Red Sox. But, unlike me, I think she would have worn a Boston College sweatshirt even though the word “Boston” is on it.
I think about how she would feel about Derek Jeter. A guy who embodies everything she taught me about how “special” it is to be a Yankee.
I think about how she would have been on this blog everyday mixing it up with the regulars and schooling the children.
Overall, I think about how a woman of limited education and means could have done such a great job with my brother and myself and how thankful we are for the time we had with her.
Thanks Mom.
bru, yeah grienke dealing with the ny media sounds like a really good idea, not..
go back to sleep…with your laughable 2nd guesses…
Steinbrenner, for all his faults, remember youngins if you don’t know this, he was suspended for his actions and hated by most Yankee fans for his botched trades and big mouth, and applauded upon suspension by most, had his heart in the right place. He was the Ultimate Fan. And he got to act on his own live fantasy team. He was the GM. The problem today is their is no take-charge guy. Even thought Cashman got us CC, A.J. and Tex, their are no role players. A star at every position seldom brings championships. Most of the new guys can’t and have never produced under Pressure. Cano and Melky and Tex, even Arod to name a few. So the challenge is to replace these guys with lesser names but better character.
well the dodgers at least beat the the terrible teams. we lose against the terrible teams.
very nice tribute SJ—
Zach in Port Jeff
May 10th, 2009 at 11:07 am
should of traded hughes & someone else for greinke last year.
========================
Oh yeah, because a guy with a history of social anxiety disorder would really thrive in new york with 50 beat reporters in his grill 24/7.
gimme a break!
———————————————————–
he seems to be doing fine now.medication my son.
it doesn’t have to be him but my point is that they should of gotten another low cost pitcher with potential.
would you wan’t greinke or hughes now???
enough said.
nobody is going to give up a greinke now.it has to be done at the right time.
losing hughes but getting a greinke type pitcher softens the blow of losing a hughes.
don’t look at greinke now & say ” there is no way we could get a pitcher like that”
it is about adding debth that we did not have in addition to joba being a question mark with an innings cap.
the catching situation was another blunder,not getting bullpen help & gambling on the cf situation.
What’s more likely to happen? 50 career wins for Hughes or 100 career walks for Cano?
bru
It makes you wonder about those calling the shots for this team. Is Cashman totally responsible?
Sounds like a very nice mom, SJ…just wondering if you were on the game thread last night?
By the way, I mean 100 more career walks for Cano from this point forward.
stuart
are you serious??
how do you know anything about his condition or mental makeup???
how is he doing now with the zero pressure he has on him???
stop being a know it all.
read my posts from last year when i have said all along that we should be trying to get a young pitcher who might break out but is closer than hughes.
obviously as of now the yankees did things wrong.
catcher,pen,pitching debth.
Very nice tribute to your mom, SJ – happy mother’s day to all the mother’s out there. They have the hardest job in the world – just ask mine, lol.
Well done SJ!
Meanwhile I have become a huge fan of randy, making a lot of sense.
Why do the Yankees show encores of games like last nights clunker? Trying to appeal to the masochist demographic?
In Search of O’Neill
I have a nagging feeling that when George is gone, the team will be sold to some conglomerate. Then it will be Yankees, Inc.
The sons don’t appear to have very much interest in the team, or how it’s run day to day. If they did, Trost & Levine wouldn’t be the voice of the franchise. Since when in Yankees history did the money men do the talking? That’s the problem with the franchise, all $$. no heart. And Cashman’s been like a ghost lately. Even he won’t speak up for what’s going on. If this season crashes and burns, who’s going to take the hit? Girardi is the obvious choice. But what about all the back slapping good ol’ boys? They’ll keep on making excuses.
It’s a joke in here. Because you don’t agree you must call each other names. I guess it’s the lack of intellect or maybe just youth. For all you Yankee “experts” go manage your fantasy team and I’ll beat each and every one of you, lol.
Very touching remarks on your mom, SJ. And best of luck to your nephew. Even if he lands in Boston, I can feel good about rooting for him. I’m sure he’ll play the game the right way, and I hope he enjoys the ride.
cash is responsible.
this team might turn it around but the pitching needs to get better.
he should of gotten pen insurance,a catcher & another pitcher.
Vader,
Only on the posts with “the real one” in the screename area.
I did that to keep the impersonators away.
I didn’t stay around long though. Only a few innings.
Is Dave Eiland gonna be in trouble soon? His staff has shown no consistency and very little improvement.
“i would throw joba in the pen permanently.
look at the red sox.terrible starting pitching,good pen.”
You’re forgetting one thing. The Red Sox have an offense that has no problem coming from behind when their starting pitcher lays an egg. The Yankees can’t hit with RISP so it really wouldn’t matter if the bullpen pitched great after someone like Igawa put them in a 5-0 hole.
Love Damon’s quote
The pitching has to step up. That was supposed to be the calling card of this team. Hard to win when you are down 4-5-6 runs every night.
Fan Interference-
Couldn’t have said that better myself.
The sight of Trost, even more than Levine, disgusts me. He unabashadly took credit for the actual “design” of the stadium. Hey Lonn this wasn’t some theme park, you were supposed to be re-creating Yankee Stadium as an homage to its old self. “Yeah, let’s throw in the frieze, the fans will like that,” I could see him saying. We don’t care if they can see in the bleachers, they’ll drink more beer. Wasn’t beer outlawed in the bleachers once. Let em come early to BP with their kids but not let them down to catch a ball unless they own a $100 seat there, then maybe they’ll walk and shop in our Stadium-mall.
right now cashman does not know what to do.he seems stunned.
it looks like he is content with waiting it out wich might be the answer.
we are a better team with posada,nady,marte,bruney but have nobody to replace any of them.
how does a 209 million dollar team have these problems??
To all who want the ownership more involved – here are some reasons not to have the owners running the team:
Raul Mondesi, Tony Womack, Randy Johnson, Jaret Wright, Ken Phelps, etc. Should I continue?
“Is Dave Eiland gonna be in trouble soon? His staff has shown no consistency and very little improvement.”
Wang is hurt. CC is a Cy Young pitcher and Burnett led the AL in K’s last year, and neither has forgotten how to pitch. Pettitte is a solid number 4 starter, this is Joba’s first full year as a starter and he’s the number 5, and Hughes is 22 and not ready. And the Yankees are starting Francisco Cervelli because they have already gone through Sado and Molina.
I know it’s frustrating, but what do you want Eiland to do? The pitchers have to make the pitches.
Why don’t the Yanks hit with RISP?
That is the million dollar question.
Are other teams hitters better than ours?
Maybe it’s the pressure of playing under the microscope where every game is a season.
the bottom line is we have nobody to replace the injuries so it is a poorly built team.
in a few months if we can bring in prospects or make trades to fix this cashman looks like a genious.
i don’t see this happening.
at the least the yankees should of signed a setup man.
It’s pretty amazing to think, but our pitching last year was actually MUCH better than what we have seen so far this season. The lowest ERA on the team (not including Bruney, who’s on the DL) is Joba’s 3.77.
That is downright awful. Even on the worst teams in the league you can find a reliever or two with a 2.00 ERA. Last year our bullpen as a whole had a 3.71 ERA and Moose and Joba in the rotation had great ERA’s as well.
Oh, and what’s even worse is that Robertson actually put up a decent 3.86 ERA in limited time, but of course he was sent down while Edwar and Veras continue to serve up homeruns as they lead the team in appearences.
Raul Mondesi, Tony Womack, Randy Johnson, Jaret Wright, Ken Phelps, etc. Should I continue?
No, let me
1) Sheffield
2) Bringing back A-Rod after the opt out (thanks, Hank)
3) Giambi’s long term contract
4) Kevin Brown
5) Javy Vasquez
6) Decimating and then neglecting the minors
7) Squabbling between Tampa and New York
I love all the blame that’s placed on Eiland. CC has always been a slow starter (blame the Indian’s pitching coach?) and now he’s heating up. AJ has had one bad outing that blew up his ERA and he’s been ok in his others – I suspect he, like most power pitchers, takes some time heating up. In any case, he’s not done poorly – so Eiland is not to “blame” for his results. Andy’s in a bit of a slump, but the problem with him is that now he has to be a #3, not a #4. He’ll be fine – I’m not concerned at all. Hughes as Murphydog said is simply not ready and Joba is 23 – he’s going to have his ups and downs. Should we fire all pitching coaches that have young pitchers on their staffs?
Thanks all. Onto the Yankees….
The team is struggling because the pitching is awful. It was a club built on pitching and the pitching so far is the worst in the league. That’s all you need to know about where they are right now.
Phil Hughes?
Here’s what we know about Phil Hughes as he enters his fifth year in the Yankee organization:
He’s talented. We can argue until the cows come home about how much talent he has but, he has talent. Its there. We have seen it.
Despite being in his fifth season in the organization, he has no idea how to minimize damage and how to make in game adjustments. Some (about 20%, given his age) is on him. the other 80% is on the organization.
For this kid to STILL not have any idea how to handle adversity on the mound is on the organization. Simply put, they have no idea how to develop young pitching and Hughes is Exhibit A on the list.
According to Hughes and Girardi he left the bullpen last night with arm slot issues. Assuming both are telling the truth (which I do) my next question is, what in the world are the pitching and bullpen coaches doing out there with these guys?
NOBODY makes adjustments when they see the kid is having arm slot issues? I mean, come on, isn’t that your job?
They have injuries. Take a look at the DL around baseball this year. EVERYBODY has injuries.
This pitching staff shouldn’t be ranked last in baseball. It shouldn’t. That’s on Girardi, EIland and Harkey. That’s just the way it is.
This team plays tight, can’t make adjustments and their young pitchers aren’t getting better. That’s not opinion, that’s fact. We see it every night.
What to do about it? Give it to Memorial Day and see where they are at that point. If improvement isn’t happening, I’d give serious, serious thought about making a change at the pitching coach position.
Scott Aldred is a rising star in baseball as a pitching coach in Scranton. Personally, I don’t like in season moves because they are often just cosmetic in nature.
However, when you see these guys, vets and rookies alike, pitch this bad for this long, I can’t see this going on much longer.
This team gets blown out 2-3 games a week. How is that possible, given the talent in the locker room.
Something ain’t right. If these guys can’t fix it, and fix it fast, the Yankees are going to have to consider making an in season change or two.
When the pitching staff is crap, the pitching coach needs to take heat. He needs to find a way to get his guys to perform better or be fired. All of us regular people can’t have 20 horrible days at work and expect to keep our jobs. This has been a problem for more than just this year.
I can see Cash resigning after this year, Larussa will be available. Let him pick the GM.
I love how a Yankee “fan” was heckling Burnett about his contract and performance lol
Poor AJ… he probably wishes he was still in Toronto. Imagine him in that rotation now along with the other young guys and Doc?
I think most of us agree that the starting pitching is going to come around and end the year with overall good numbers. Eiland doesn’t have much of an impact there except with Joba and Hughes (who pitched great with him in AAA).
The bullpen’s woes are the main reason people want to fire Eiland. However, this SAME bullpen performed great for him last year. With bullpens being so unpredictable, you can’t logically fire a pitching coach for that reason alone, or else no pitching coach in the league would be able to keep his job for more than one or two years at a time.
” Guys like Redding, Livan, Chan Ho Park, et al., were given a chance to compete in the spring for spots in the rotations of the teams that signed them. Would those guys have signed a deal to be the spot starter/swing man out of the ‘pen?”
tom in nj-
swisher didn’t have much choice about being a spare part. there are ways to do it. signing a free agent would take some doing as you say, but the argument would be that the swingman/6th starter role is as important as a starter and will likely pitch 120-150 innings because injuries are going to happen.
then there is always money. throw 4-5 million at some of these guys and they’ll be more interested in that role.
i just think that every year we go through problems with the 6th starter role. there’s a way out of this cycle and that’s to get a veteran pitcher who’s the equivalent of a swisher to fill it.
Absolutely, let’s have more input from ownership. Let’s recreate the decade of the 80′s. Let’s forget that the 70′s winners were planned by Gabe Paul, when George was suspended, and the 90′s by Gene Michael. Instead, let’s deal for some more washed up, end of the line names who are well past their primes, and ignore the younger players, especially in an era when success is directly linked to youth and atleticism.
Yes, let’s forget the history and current trends in the industry, all because the team has lost a handful of games.
As far as the offense is concerned, while its a not a great offense (especially with RISP), its good enough to win.
Even last night, had Edwar not done his usual BP number, they would have gotten back into the game!
You can’t keep expecting the offense to score 8+ runs a night, and do it early in games, to offset bad pitching.
Sometimes, the fit between coaches and players aren’t right.
I don’t know if that’s the case here.
What I do know is, these guys aren’t this bad. They aren’t.
Sometimes, you have to make a change to get everybody’s attention.
Today is not the time to do it. However, if this goes on another 2-3 weeks? As Yogi would say, “Its getting late early”, and they are going to have to consider it strongly, IMO.
“To all who want the ownership more involved – here are some reasons not to have the owners running the team:
Raul Mondesi, Tony Womack, Randy Johnson, Jaret Wright, Ken Phelps, etc. Should I continue?”
I’ll take all of those bad players + the many more we had for the 6 World Championships.
we give all these players huge contracts & they feel the pressure of living up too them.
tex getting 23 million a year,youk getting 8 million.
once you get past the huge contract i think you are ok.
cc,burnett,tex have to get past it.damon,jeter,etc… have.
injuries,injuries,injuries are killing us & we have no answers to them whatsoever.
the arod contract is a disaster.
i would much have rather signed a decent 3rd baseman & traded for a young pitcher.signed a setup man & catcher.
Memorial Day is the key day… if we’re still floundering then, it will probably lead to some changes.
You simply can’t spend $423 million this winter and have these kind of results. Worst starting ERA in baseball? 2nd worst bullpen ERA in baseball? 2nd to last in the AL in RISP?
This group, along with Girardi, has not proven they can “turn it on” when they need to. They did last year in September when the pressure was off. There are 3 very talented teams in the division now. Toronto is here to stay if they are healthy. You simply cannot sleepwalk through the 1st 1\2 of the season and expect to be there in the end. Those days are over.
“Raul Mondesi, Tony Womack, Randy Johnson, Jaret Wright, Ken Phelps, etc. Should I continue?
No, let me
1) Sheffield
2) Bringing back A-Rod after the opt out (thanks, Hank)
3) Giambi’s long term contract
4) Kevin Brown
5) Javy Vasquez
6) Decimating and then neglecting the minors
7) Squabbling between Tampa and New York”
Don’t forget Kenny Lofton, trading Doug Drabek for Rick Rhoden, trading Jose Rijo, and moving a potentially great starter to the bullpen…Dave Righetti.
Ah, yes. The dulcet tones of Kenny Lofton. How I long for the days…
Maybe the reason Hughes hasn’t been able to deal with adversity is because he’s never faced any until he came to the majors.
I remember hearing once how he went through an entire season of AA and AAA without ever loading the bases. How do you expect a 22 year old to cruise through AAA and then know exactly how to pitch with the bases loaded and Brian Roberts up at the plate?
If this was any other team the most logical thing to do would be to keep sending Hughes out there and let him learn how to get good hitters out in dangerous spots. The problem is the Yankees might not have that luxury right now.
why can’t we get a veteran pitching coach like peterson if he is available???
guidry,eihland.aldred(spelling).
pitching is the problem.lets get a new pitching coach & get everybody’s attention.
Fred McGriff.
I know the Yankees had Donnie Baseball, so their wasn’t a “fit” for him, but his swing in Yankee stadium…
murphydog-
as far as hughes goes, he’s going to have a good game, a bad game , and a so so game. he’s young. it’s how they learn on the job.
the problem is that there is a huge gap between triple a and the major leagues. hughes isn’t the only one who has trouble with the transition. the way teams ilke the marlins come up with good young pitchers is they let them fail for a while maybe even a year before we see them as a 24 year old who can pitch,
we don’t hear about them getting bombed as twenty two year olds. hughes will be a very good 25 year old. it’s just not easy getting him experience at the mlb level when the yankees need wins.
if we could send him to florida or pittsburgh for a few years after triple a and then get him back, we’d be all set. there’s no easy way to work a rookie into the yankees because of the daily pressure to win.
wang will be back in 3 weeks. i’d let hughes keep rolling the dice at this point and get that painful experience in. maybe we’ll still get a few good games out of him.
I think Teixeria is the only one affected by the pressure. You can see in his ABs that he is just lost. He is pressing and trying to do way too much.
CC has been decent. Has only had one terrible start – in Baltimore opening day. The others have been workable and he’s thrown a couple gems. Games like Oakland the the Angels one he should have had better numbers but was left in too long. He’ll be fine.
Burnett has been mediocre— which is what his career has been. One great game, one terrible game, and mostly mediocre starts. That’s what he is. He has atleast given us a chance most nights and limited the damage, he is not the problem. Sadly, some people expected him to be some kind of ace which he isin’t.
i think we need a new pitching coach & an older more relaxed manager.
girardi is better suited with a young team in wich he has not played with the players.
jmo.
The more this year goes on, Girardi looks wrong for this job. Maybe next year Larussa, or Bobby V.
Re: Phil Hughes’ development, or lack thereof –
First off, I don’t make any claim to being a baseball pro, or anything of the sort. Having said that – I think Phil’s biggest problem is lack of development time, due to his injuries the past two years. You learn how to pitch by pitching, and he’s not been able to do that. Despite his stuff being too good for AAA, and his overwhelming the hitters there, he still needs to learn how to actually be a pitcher. We saw it in the fiasco around Swisher’s throw last night.
He needs to learn how to pitch when his stuff isn’t there, when the weather stinks, when the umpire stinks. He needs to pitch every 5th day.
The reason he has been rushed, I think, is the woes to the major league staff the past two years. If Wang hadn’t gone DL this year, Phil would still be Scranton, learning his craft.
I still think he can be very successful, but he needs to pitch. That’s why, after Wang comes back and no matter how well he might be pitching or not, or what else is going on in NY, Phil needs to go back to AAA for the rest of the year. He needs to be left alone to learn.
My two cents. Time to walk the dog before the game.
Let’s win today, please.
Does anyone know when Wang will be back??
Hughes will have to go when wang gets back.But pitching at scranton doesn’t make him a better pitcher.He dominates over there so why not put him in the bullpen?It worked for joba….
randy:
Agreed, Hughes has to be allowed to fail. But doesn’t the kind of failure matter?
If he has the wrong arm slot coming out of the pen, that’s an adjustment issue. If he’s nibbling when he should be pounding the plate, that’s different. I’d have thought he’d be able to make adjustments by now if he’s mastered the other stuff, or is it too much of a mixed bag for a 22 year old to progressively rank the type of problems he should still be having?
SJ, wow – he left the pen with arm slot issues and nothing was done to correct it before he left ? You’re very right about this organization not being able to develop pitchers….Phil has been their guinea pig, unfortunately. They rushed him in 2007 – they rushed him this year. Do they or do they not have a plan with him? The intent was that he stay in AAA for most of the year…….great, and because of another crises with the big club’s pitching, he gets called up before his time. I don’t think there is anything wrong with Phil in the sense that he is a fragile pitcher – his makeup was supposed to be off the charts when he was drafted. He takes responsibility for his pitching performances – he’s a mature kid. It’s hard to reconcile what we are seeing on the mound with his demeanor off it, though. I hope the Yankees haven’t ruined Phil….
Does anyone know when Wang will be back??
my guess is three more starts for wang in the minors.at least two .
Girardi…..
Its hard to say if he is “the guy” or not, IMO.
There are things he does which are right and some things he does that lead me to believe he isn’t the right fit here.
He’s gotten waylaid by a bad roster (that’s on Cash) and injuries. No question about it.
He also has a team that plays tight. That’s on him. The manager sets the tone for tightness and looseness of a ballclub. Its not a loose, confident bunch on most nights. I think its one of the biggest reasons why they struggle so much with RISP. Its also why they struggle so much against teams that are confidence and loose. Like Boston and Tampa for example.
I also think, like most managers, he has his “pets”. Unfortunately, he’s choosing the wrong “pets”.
Simply put, Jose Veras and Edwar Ramirez serve no useful purpose on this roster. They aren’t good enough to be in a bullpen on a playoff team. Nor do they have any upside. That means, they are wasting 2 spaces on this roster.
I don’t know if Mark Melancon and David Robertson are good enough to be in a bullpen on a playoff team at this point in their respective careers.
I’m 100% certain BOTH guys have more upside than either Veras or Ramirez.
Last night screamed for Tomko to go into that game earlier then he did. Why? Because Edwar’s stuff is not good enough to minimize damage.
The more you watch Girardi on a daily basis, the more questions he raises about whether he’s the right fit in NY.
Its a VERY tough and touchy issue with the Yankees.
He was EVERYBODY’S (Cash, Hal, Hank, Trost and Levine) pick to manage this team. Unanimously, I might add.
Its pretty tough to pull the rug out from under him, given EVERYTHING that has happened to this team, 5-6 weeks into the season.
That’s a lot of ego to admit a mistake this big, this early in the guy’s tenure.
That said, they didn’t spend 210 million dollars on this roster to act like they are the Pittsburgh Pirates and Florida Marlins and spend an in season developmental year with half the roster.
They have to win games. They have to play better. They have to stop getting blown out, especially by bad teams, 2-3 days a week.
That’s on the manager and his staff.
Would I fire him today? No, I wouldn’t. I would change the pitching coach before I fire the manager right now.
But, if this team doesn’t start showing consistent signs of life, its going to be pretty tough to convince anybody that Girardi is the right guy for the job.
There is a lot of pressure on the guy and I’m sympathetic to that.
However, this team, injuries and all, is a helluva lot better than we have seen so far this season.
At that some point, that falls on the manager. Hopefully, he is up to the task.
Its fair to say though, at least at this point, the jury is out on him.
Roger,
I think I heard Michael Kay say last night on the post game that the Yanks want Wang to have 3 starts in the minors, with the first one on Tuesday.
Duh, who is the Mgr of the Dodgers?
putting an almost 23 yr old pitcher who needs to pitch regularly in the pen slowing his developement isn’t such a good idea.
we don’t know for sure if it helped or hurt joba.
if hughes pitches 90 innings this year next year he is only good for 120.
CA Vz, and that “fan” was trying to get AJ’s autograph, too…..Think maybe he was pissed that he didn’t get it because now he can’t sell it? Fans are just ridiculous that way – AJ signed two days in a row- he can’t sign for everyone (no player can).
SJ44-Your 11:15AM post was wonderful.
New day, another game. Just win it.
SJR44
I wonder the same about Veras and Edwar and also wonder if Giradi’s loyalty to both has something to do with the closeness those two players share with other Yankee brethren like Mo. Mo from what I gather is like a big brother to Edwar.
Can think of no other reason for sticking this long particularly with Edwar. Markakis waited specifically for the bugs bunny change up for launch time.
Hughes needs to go back to Scranton for the rest of the season. The Yankees are a team of Now, and he doesn’t have the luxury of working things out in the Bigs.
SJ,
Nice post about your mom. I don’t think Girardi is pleased with anyone in the bullpen (except Mo of course). When he was asked on the post game last night about the bullpen and making changes he replied something like “Well there are no players sitting at home on their couch waiting for us to call.” Kind of seems like he is resigned to what he has. I am glad that you said something about Eiland. While I am not one of those running around calling for heads to roll, Eiland has to shoulder some blame. Isn’t it his job to notice and work with arm slots and mechanics? And especially with Hughes since that’s how he got the job in the first place.
Marte, Veras, and Ramirez are all garbage.
the pressure is building on cashman & girardi.
in 2 or 3 weeks if nothing changes at the very minimum the pitching coach is gone.
if they are further down in the standings girardi doesn’t survive.
this team need a breath of fresh air.a more relaxed seasoned manager not a manager who sugarcoats everything & simply can’t tell the truth or tell it like it is too save his life.
Exactly why is Berroa on the 25-man roster ? Why hasn’t Veras been DFA’d. The ineptness of managing the 40-man roster is on Cashman. The best possible 25 players are not there.
The team is giving at bats away and that falls on Girardi. No aggressivness other than Swisher is seen and that too falls on Girardi.
The bullpen has poured gas on the fire in all these games and gave up key insurance runs. Aside from yesterday, the starters gave us workable outings. But the BP didn’t let it hold up
As Pete said yesterday, if Edwar could get outs, it would be 7-5 Baltimore with a lot of time to come back.
Aceves gave up that key HR to Bay against Boston when it was 4-3 and it made it 6-3. Melancon/Alabadejo allowed 3 runs in the 8th and 9th to turn a 4-3 game the next night, into a 7-3 game.
Against Tampa, It was 5-4 Tampa after Andy’s implosion, and Veras gave up the 6th run to Tampa.
The bullpen is demoralizing this team.
When Bruney gets back the pen should consist of:
Mo, Bruney, Coke, Robertson, Aceves, Tomko, and Albaladejo. This is about the best we have for the time being.
“Hughes needs to go back to Scranton for the rest of the season. The Yankees are a team of Now, and he doesn’t have the luxury of working things out in the Bigs.”
This team will never transition that way. Keep this up the Yankees will be mediocore snr. citizen players w/ no youth to speak of and FA trying to do too much.
I have to be honest gang: I truly do NOT feel that girardi is the right man for the job. I just saw him on yankee magazine and i think that Tony Pena would bring a looseness that this club sorely needs.
Wang could be back for the last game in the Texas series or for the Cleveland series if he doesn’t have any setbacks. 3 starts in the minors should do it.
I disagree with Hughes back to Scranton and feel even if he does poorly in his next outing, swapping with Aceves might not be a bad idea.
It could be that working out of the pen in long term situations minus the attention and media scrutiny that starting from the rotation generates would provide a better more comfortable platform from which Hughes could develope.
It seems to me all his problems at this stage are mental.
RER – 98
Berroa looks like Arod insurance at this point. If Pena wasn’t shaky in some spots, Berroa would probably be gone. Really, Pena could benefit with some more time at AAA.
Joe Girardi would look like a genius right now (and they’d be in the lead in the AL East) with even a slightly better effort from CC and AJ, an uninjured Wang, a middle of the pack (instead of second to last) bullpen and a healthy A-Rod from opening day.
Instead they are where they are. I know you can’t fire the whole team, but scapegoating Girardi when he’s down is, well, so “Steinbrenner.”
Would Donny Baseball have been any better than Girardi? Last year was a write off for him because of family issues, wasn’t it?
Would Donnie even want to manage this team now?…that is the question.
The pitchers just can’t bear down and keep the key runs from scoring
Burnett blew a 6-0 lead and Andy blew a 4-0 lead
Burnett allowed those 2 killer runs to Tampa in the top of the 6th. Andy allowed that go-ahead run to Tampa after we had just tied it. CC allowed those 4 runs in the 1-1 game to the Angels in the top of the 7th.
Burnett also blew 2 leads to the Angels but we happened to come back and win that game. CC blew that 2 run lead to Oakland after we had come back to take the lead (but to be fair, he should have been out of the game).
anyone see the lou merloni quotes on the sox steroid meeting a few years back? Incredible. The quote is on bostondirtdogs.com, and im wondering why no one else has picked up on it yet.
“I just saw him on yankee magazine and i think that Tony Pena would bring a looseness that this club sorely needs.”
He was actually my first choice. But NY would have eaten him alive w/ what happened in KC w/ the woman and his english. I still have a bit of faith in GI Joe.
IMO Joe Girardi breeds a “tightness” he exudes a demenear of tenseness. I feel that translates to the team and Tony Pena would bring the exact opposte vibe.
Unfortunately, until Wang is back, Hughes has to be here now.
Whether he starts or they use him out of the bullpen, they don’t have anybody else.
Ian Kennedy is out for the season so, they are down another AAA arm.
He’s just going to have to figure it out and find a way to be servicable for the next 2-3 weeks.
I don’t see how putting Phil in the pen would advance his development. He’d be throwing 2 pitches at most – and his curve is still very inconsistent. He’s a starter, not a reliever- he needs to go down and work on all of his pitches. I’m still PO’d about what SJ said – letting this kid go out there with arm slot issues – they couldn’t fix that in the pen?
it got too the point where willie had too go & look at the mets now.
sometimes you have too replace the manager.
look at gaston with the jays.
you can’t keep a manager forever by saying would mattingly or torre do any better.
that is a recipe for a disaster.
Hardly doubt they would go to Mattingly… too much recent history there with Torre and the organization and such. Don’t think Levine and co. want to do that.
I also don’t see how another inexperienced manager helps us.
Pena is the perfect man for the job… has experience, players love him, and has a relaxed demeanor that should help.
“Would Donnie even want to manage this team now?…that is the question.”
He might. It’s a chance to be a hero. He couldn’t do much worse. He’s more of a Yankee Legend than Girardi, maybe he’d be a little more hands off than Girardi.
Unlike Joe G, Donnie hasn’t got the rings so maybe in some sense he’s hungrier. It would be a nice change of focus after all he’s been through. I’m sure it depends on his kids and home situation though. Is it stable enough for him to be away from home all the time?
But let’s not throw dirt on Giradi’s grave just yet. Let’s see if they can get him some healthy bodies back and then see what he does.
Didn’t Josh Towers say that Tony Pena quit on the Royals?
sometimes managers lose their teams focus,respect,etc…
i don’t know if this is happening with the yankees or will happen but at some point girardi will have to be fired.
Brandon
“This team will never transition that way. Keep this up the Yankees will be mediocore snr. citizen players w/ no youth to speak of and FA trying to do too much.”
Keep this up? Wer’e there now! The 90′s were an aberration with player development. When the Yankees were great back in the day, they used to fleece the smaller market clubs in trades, or buy players (Babe Ruth). In the 70′s, those teams were built through some trades, and big free agent signings. The 90′s saw us develop a core of players from the farm, but traditionally that is not the Yankee way.
The team seems to be loose in the clubhouse and, by all accounts, Joe is much looser and relaxed than he was last year. How do we know exactly what he is translating to the team? At some point, the players have to take responsibility. No manager, by the way, could ever, ever win with this pen…not Joe McCarthy, not John McGraw, not Connie Mack, no one. This pen is beyond bad and I don’t see what can be done about it. As long as it’s this abysmal, the Yankees are going to struggle. Even if their SP straightens out, you can not expect them to pitch 7/8 innings all the time – it’s not reasonable.
i agree about pena.
this team needs a change if they can’t turn it around in 2 weeks.
Lots of young pitchers pitched out of the pen
Santana, Wainwright, Billingsly… even Joba (but in a different role, of course).
Not the worst idea in the world. Facing ML hitters might actually help him more than dominating the minors.
Look at the Mets now? They choked away a playoff spot last year – that managerial change really worked. Let’s see how they do at the end of the year – one 6 game winning streak does not wipe away the failures of the past. It says something about the lack of character of some of the Mets that they very likely went in the tank (Delgado, look in a mirror) because they didn’t like Willie.
Betsy
If you remember the first season Phil came up he did pitch out of the pen matter of fact I seel to remember he came in to relieve a starter in one of the play-off games and went on to pitch extremely well and ultimately won the game.
My point is, and I do believe this to be true, at this point of his development what he lacking most is confidence and just needs experience. Getting it as a long man from the pen eliminates the media scrutiny and the self applied pressure before each and every start.
Random thought for the day – why dont we sign Adam Melhuse? He has plenty of experience and a pretty good bat for a catcher. Certainly better than Cash and more experience too.
Keep Cervelli up, bring in Melhuse, and send Kevin Cash back down to AAA?
Girardi going to Edwar last night really had me wondering.
His “faith” right now looks more like a problem than a solution.
*seem to remember
“No manager, by the way, could ever, ever win with this pen…not Joe McCarthy, not John McGraw, not Connie Mack, no one.”
Not sure McGraw or Mack had bullpens. They had guys like Christy Mathewson
But I agree, the pen is poison right now.
Pena blew up in KC, didn’t he? The grass is always greener, I guess. No man can save this pen nor save the players from their own deficiencies with RISP. If the SP doesn’t improve, then no man can save the season……It’s all on the players.
I don’t mean to keep repeating this, but the pen is disgustingly bad. It sucks for the rest of the team to be stuck with this group….
Pete,
Maybe you can explain to me, why was Eric Hacker released? With our bullpen having problems, wouldn’t the Yankees think to keep arms in the minors? And what about Christian Garcia? How far along is he?
Torre was loose, wasn’t he?
And those teams ALWAYS got off to slow starts. 11-19 in 2005 that led to the St. Louis tirade. They had to scratch and claw and clinched the division in Fenway on the final weekend.
2007 – started off 21-29. We did not get over .500 and stay there until after the All-star break.
The problem is that our competition is MUCH better than it was in the past. Boston is obviously great. Tampa is starting to heat up and won 97 last year. Toronto is much improved and has great young players. Even Baltimore is no longer a pushover.
If we played in the old AL East, this slow start would be a mere footnote. We would know that we had no competition outside of Boston and would have a playoff spot basically locked up. Not anymore….
I agree with bill.Piching at the minors doesn’t help him.I needs to face ml hitters
Rhapsody, that was one game – I just don’t see how he’s going to work on his pitches out of the pen. As a long term solution, I don’t think it works – in fact, it would set him back for next year.
what about Christian Garcia? How far along is he?…I believe his is still in Tampa…that is a guy that can’t stay healthy.
If the Yanks need 95 wins, they can afford to lose 51 more games. 10 a month.
Actually they may need more than 95
I=He
“Girardi going to Edwar last night really had me wondering.
His “faith” right now looks more like a problem than a solution.”
IMO, maybe it was just a case of Edwar taking one for the team as they tried to cobble together nearly 8 innings of pitching. Why not go to Tomko? When he came in, he quickly gave up a HR. Maybe that wasn’t a fluke. It’s hard for anybody to do much good with that pen right now.
The pen may be bad but, this is a team with: CC Sabathia, AJ Burnett, Andy Pettitte, Joba Chamberlain, Mariano Rivera, Derek Jeter, Johnny Damon, Mark Teixiera and Robinson Cano, and Arod just coming back.
I’m not even counting the injured players.
That’s 40% of this roster filled with high quality players. Again, not even counting the injured guys.
You mean to tell me, a roster with that much talent has the worst pitching staff in the league and is 14-16?
Tough sell to me.
Its still good enough to play better and win games.
At some point, they are going to have to do so.
If not, I’d go Tony Pena/Scott Aldred and see if that gets them through the season.
I’m not there yet but, I’m about 3 weeks away from being there if this team doesn’t start to show some level of consistency.
True, Murphydog….lol. If only we had a few Mathewsons ourself, we’d be fine!
I honestly do not see how this team can win games on a consistent basis with this pen. It’s not being negative, it’s being realistic. ON the other hand, apparently they played crappy D yesterday – that’s inexcusable. It’s always something else with this team. They can easily bury themselves with a bad few days in Toronto……
Mets played MUCH better under Manual. If you followed the Mets, you would know that the team under Willie was lifeless. Too many games they would just not show up and make mental errors. I’m sure you heard the complaints on WFAN/SNY.
Under Manual, the team had a fight to them. Their pen problems were still there, but they had a bounce to their step and played harder than they did under Willie.
Toronto had the same problem… they always were accused of not being a tough team. Under Cito, they have the best record in baseball between last year and this.
But those changes were made because those teams didn’t play hard. If there is one thing about this team, it is that they do play hard. Making a change is not going to fix the pen.
SJ…before you know it Memorial day will be here.
I really think how they do in Toronto will tell what this team is made of.
Betsy
The biggest hurdle he seems to have to overcome is not so much throwing his pitches which he has no problem with at Scranton, it’s his demeanor and confidence level in the majors.
Let’s see what he looks like in his next start. If he implodes again like last evening I’m not sure the ride back to Scranton is the answer either.
Vader,
Garcia is still in EST. Honestly, I’m surprised he wasn’t a DFA candidate before Steven Jackson.
The kid is never healthy and is taking up roster space.
Sort of a thinner version of Humberto Sanchez from a medical standpoint.
Happy Mother’s Day to all the mothers and the guys, too.
Betsy, I only read one comment, yours about Damon. LOL. I wish the pitchers would say, “The grizzled vets need to learn how to hit a sac fly or ground out to the right.”
It takes a team to win, and it takes a team to lose. Mr. Noodle arm definitely is carrying the hot stick, but he’s nothing to look at in the field. Defense needs to tighten up. Where was everyone’ head yesterday?
Love the Damon, but maybe he should address the team instead of the reporters?
They are going for the series win today. Gotta turn the page. Gotta win. Uehara pitched well against them the last time. Let’s see if they studied the video and learned anything.
Girardi is a great man and was an important part of our dynasty… but I just don’t think he is the right man for this job.
He needs to go to a team like he had in Florida with young guys he can mold into his own, even if it takes time.
Putting a manager with his uptight nature in a situation where he must win is a recipe for disaster. He needs to start off with a team that is young and has minimal expectations and teach them how to win. I still think he’s going to be a great manager. This is just not a good fit for him.
A looser guy like Tony Pena might be just what the doctor ordered.
The yankees need to model after the rays, theses younger teams are killing the yankees because they are nuch youger faster, and management knows money DOES NOT but champiomships, I would much rather see pena, gardner, erverilli than some of the older players who get hot and cold and more cold than hot. Bring excitement back to the team, speed, youth and a fire to win. You cant perform leave. We need a manager with fire , How many times has the manager gone out a complain about a call, we need a manager back like torre, martin, stengal.
Sometimes there’s just no analysis for just plain sucking.
I have never seen him besides tv, but from what I have read he has some nasty stuff…but if you can’t get on the field it means nothing.
You wonder if it really is an organizational thing that these players can not stay healthy.
LaRussa is a free agent after this year.
Let Girardi play out his contract and if we miss the playoffs, get rid of him and Eliand and replace them with LaRussa and Dave Duncan.
m,
Thanks for realizing that was not me on the blog yesterday. I realize that Fran is a common name; however, I believe that it’s an imposter because every time I call the person out it stops. If it were someone else named Fran why not say that. It happens to so many on here irregardless of the name – it is getting to be a bit much.
don…the Rays had the number one or a top three pick for several years…that is how they are in the position they are in.
Damon should wear the cleats. Come on. It’s Mother’s Day and it is mean to raise awareness.
From what I have read, Garcia is only 24 years old, and he was dazzling in ST. With the mess of a ‘pen we have , why not give the young flame throwers a chance? Joba seemed to do good his rookie year with a 98 MPH heater and a nice slider. Im sure we have to have a couple of guys like that…
it is “meant” to raise awareness. Sorry.
Fran,
I knew it wasn’t you. And even if there are common names like John, pat, et al. They diffentiate themselves.
But like I said, you hadn’t posted before that. So it’s like this person has a list and says, “hmmm. Who am I today?”
A serial troll. Yikes. Should we be worried?
“The yankees need to model after the rays, theses younger teams are killing the yankees because they are nuch youger faster, and management knows money DOES NOT but champiomships”
There’s a better way to go about things than the way the Yankees have done the last eight years or so. But The Rays “system” involved losing seasons for a decade that garnered them a minor league organization of top first round picks.
There is a system between the wretched excess of the Yankees and the parsimony of the Marlins and Pirates. Hate to say it, but Boston looks like one of the model systems right now, along with Minnesota, just to pick two.
I’m not a Girardi fan, but how can we judge him when he is playing without a full roster?
Our best player is just coming back
We’re now missing both of our catchers
Our #2 starter is in the minors
Our main Setup man is hurt
Our lefty Setup man is hurt
Our starting RF is hurt
Teix is in the worst slump of his career
Every team has injuries and it’s not an excuse, but when you are talking about firing somebody, shouldn’t you see how the team plays when it is closer to 100% than 50%?
“LaRussa is a free agent after this year”
Be careful what you wish for. Not sure NY would love LaRussa or vice versa. Plenty of Billy Martin in him, though, and not just the good stuff either. Oh, and by the way, he’s a lawyer!
Garcia was once in our top 10 prospects but has had horrible injury problems. He is only just coming back from his latest and isnt even in the top 10 of people the Yanks would consider bringing up right now.
Long term if he can stay healthy he still has potential as a guy who could emerge and make a difference. Probably not this year though.
Vader, your wrong, they have management that knows baseball and they are not willing to change the chemistry for a few $$$ They have signed some of these young kids for long term contracts, they have excellent scouting and players in the farm system for years to come. Money does not buy championship, except maybe for the Red sox. The yankees are not thinking baseball it is a business to them. When they change that attitude and go back to yankee tradition they will start to win, Fans strat to boycott the games , dont show up and you will see changes made.
Jack…Even with all of those issues, the Yankees have more than enough talent to be better than two games under .500.
murphydog,
LaRussa would be taking the guys to a bar instead of bowling?
What Damon said is 100% correct. Sometimes, the truth hurts.
Here are how vets see a kid like Hughes:
Gets a lot of chances and implodes too much for their tastes.
Is that an eagle eye scouts point of view? No. Its a view from a veteran player, one playing with one good arm right now, BTW, and a bunch of his teammates.
Its the harsh reality of the locker room. They aren’t there to hug the kid. They want results because they want to win.
You may not like Damon’s mouth but, find me another guy who has played as hard and as well as he has on this team, the last 2 years.
That list is VERY, VERY small.
Johnny backs up his mouth with his play. Frankly, I LOVE his honesty. More guys on the team should be as honest and less PC.
It would probably go a long way to fixing some things.
Jack
“I’m not a Girardi fan, but how can we judge him when he is playing without a full roster?”
If the team was playing with some fire, I would give Girardi credit. You can lose, but lose with some dignity. The Yankees lose too much by humiliation these days, and go down without a fight. That’s the manager not pushing his players.
mel, it’s gotten to the point where I almost think we need to go to every thread every day and do a search on our names to see what we said (or more to the point, didn’t say!) I know there are some people who aren’t here to post for every thread but are here for most of the day and/or night. My posting is always hit-and-run unless it’s game thread. Then it’s stay until the criticism and “misplaced hostility” is SO outrageous that it’s just not enjoyable to hang around!
The Yankees just need to win today, and concentrate on winning series.
The Ray’s are more then just “well they had a top 10 pick every year.”
Carlos Pena was on, what 4 or 5 teams before the Rays.
Sheilds and Sonnanstine where drafted in the 16th and 13th rounds.
Kazmir’s there because the Mets are Dumb.
Garza’s there because the Twins felt his make-up wasn’t good.
Iwamura was a Japan import.
Longoria and Upton were top 3 picks, however.
I hope Damon wears those shoes…
I highly doubt if LaRussa would come here and have to answer to that stooge Levine and such.
If he comes here, he would probably want some decent control like Torre had and not have anyone middling.
I would think if you want to lure Bobby V. out of Japan, he would want similar considerations. The Yankees organization is not run like a normal organization… it can be a major turnoff for most people
Girardi sucks.
It’s no wonder the Yanks can’t hit with RISP when your 3 hitter is batting 192.
Tex needs a kick in the pants or to be sat down, cuz he sucks right now. But Girardi is impressed with his walks? I don’t get it.
The Girardi apologists need to watch the players that aren’t hurt and ask if they’re playing with any kind of passion or intelligence. They’re not. Girardi’s culture is to bat a 190 number three hitter no matter what.
“is it too much of a mixed bag for a 22 year old to progressively rank the type of problems he should still be having?”
murphydog-
i think that’s it. there’s just a lot of stuff that has to be aligned for a 22 year old to do well.
i caught jack armstrong the winter before he started the national league all star game in 1990. jack was twenty five that year and had been up a combined 100 innings at age 23 and 24.
even at age 25 armstrong was very raw. this was winter ball and our gm was doing a favor to the reds gm by letting jack work out with us. i caught him before the regular workouts began. one morning, tony cloinger( 15 year yankee organization pitching coach
came over and asked him if he threw a splitter. jack said no. he had two pitches- a 96-97 fastball and a slider.
tony then proceeds to show him the grip for the splitter and the first time he throws it to me, the bottom drops out right before the plate- the perfect splitter. i block it but the ball gets wet from the dewy grass.
armstrong threw a second splitter. same thing happened and the bottom dropped out being totally unhittable. and i blocked the ball again getting it wet.
the problem with the balls being wet was i only given two new balls each day for jack to throw. he was upset about the wet balls. he looked at cloninger and said he couldn’t throw that pitch because it moved too much.
he never threw another one as far as i know. it didn’t stop him that summer from going something like 9-1 at the all star break, but he may have had a longer career if he would have picked up that nasty splitter he was shown by tony cloninger.
the point of this story is that young pitchers are young. they don’t see what someone like tony cloninger who had 30 years in the game sees, and it’s hard for them to assimilate everything.( cloninger by the way had a mlb locker between aaron and mathews when he was age 19.)
hughes will likely make his all star teams, but it ‘s not going to be until after age 25-27.
Damon should wear thsoe shoes, and a fake beard for today.
I agree 100%
Damon was 100% right and it was refreshing to see. Enough with the excuses and coodling, we’re here to win.
M, I think Damon needs to be quiet, to be honest…..This team has a passel of problems. Yes, one day it’s the SP, but more often it’s the offense and the pen. I know they’ve scored a lot of runs, but many times they commence rallies after it is too late. How many games have they lost because they couldn’t get the runner in from 3rd with less than two outs? Because they couldn’t bring in the runner from 2nd with less than two outs?
Rhapsody, I’m sure there is no easy answer with Phil, but I wish I had more confidence in the Yankees. I think they’ve handled him very badly. The makeup is there – he’s a responsible, mature kid off the field – he doesn’t act like a 22 year old. On the field? Maybe he’s so used to dominating (at least prior to 2007) that he gets frustrated with failure. It’s up to the Yankees to encourage him, to bring him along, to develop him. The raw material is there……
Damon is probably speaking on behalf of the entire team too. He has earned the right to say what he wants. He is a winner, gamer, and a clutch performer. About time someone starts taking control of this clubhouse.
When a starter has a big lead, he can settle in and pitch differently.
So when our starter puts us in a hole, it changes the way the opposing starter faces our lineup.
Similarly, if we get out to a lead, it helps our pitchers too (except Burnett apparently).
These are our runs scored totals since the Saturday Angels game
4, 4, 4, 3, 6, 4, 5
Not great, but with our vaunted pitching staff, should be enough to go better than 1-6.
“Hughes will have to go when wang gets back.But pitching at scranton doesn’t make him a better pitcher.He dominates over there so why not put him in the bullpen?It worked for joba….”
Totally agree…to be honest Hughes only has 2 pitches a Fastball and Cruveball….his change is not really good…Joba really has 4 pitches….this nonsense that Hughes is too young is garbage..Was Cole Hammels young when he won the WS last year….Give me a break…Maybe the pen is Hughes resting place not Joba’s
The only thing I know for sure about this team is that I don’t know anything for sure. When I find myself reading a post and agreeing with it wholeheartedly and then reading the next post which says the opposite thing and agreeing with it wholeheartedly also, all I can tell you is that there are too many questions and too few answers.
Everyone has an opinion, and many people disagree with each other’s opinions.
And so I sit and wait and watch…
He made the same comments about Wang, so this is not a personal thing with Phil obviously…………If he’s going to be honest, then he should also stop picking and choosing who he’s going to be honest about. How about criticizing his teammates for being pathetic with RISP? The offense has been abysmal in that regard – even in the game we won on Friday, they let Guthrie off the hook. They let Weaver off the hook in that Angel’s game – they score in one inning and then take vacations. I want to hear Johnny criticize that lineup…………..
And FYI, I love Damon. He plays hard every single day and he’s helped carry the team.
SJ,
LOL. Didn’t need a lecture. I said that I like the Damon.
Still waiting for the pitchers to call out the hitters on their patheticism with RISP.
Frustration is good, it’s acceptable. But they win as a team and lose as a team. Keep it in the clubhouse.
I respect what Damon has to say. He tells it like it is. He is one of the few players on the team who will hang around and talk to the media no matter the outcome of the game.
tony cloninger by the way works for the red sox now.
he was let go by the yankees around 2001 after 15 years in the yankee organization.
he has since added two more world series rings to the four he got while with the yankees.
All it seems to take to rattle Hughes, to get him off his game plan is an error or two with runners on.
He never seems to recoup, he has to learn to overcome and has to at the major league level where he has not yet displaed the ability to do so.
Joba’s 12 Ks after alowing 4 runs shows the difference in the mind set of the two players.
It was everyone’s understanding that we were going to win this year with pitching, especially early on without A-Rod. We didn’t have the firepower to win shootouts. Throw in Teix’s historically bad slump, Nady’s injury, and now Posada’s injury… and it is unrealistic to ask this team to score 7-8 runs every night.
Damon is 100% right. The team has been scoring enough runs to win. This is not a 900 run offense even when healthy. This team was supposed to win with pitching. When we’ve played most of our games with Pena/Ransom-Molina-Gardner-Melky etc. in the lineup, how can we score runs in bunches?
The pitching has failed. We knew the offense would struggle without A-Rod and even when healthy, it was not as powerful as in previous years.
Damon wants to win. He’s nearing the end of his career and wants another World Series more than anything.
You gotta respect AND like that. You gotta want that guy on your team.
If this team had 10 Damon’s, we would be 162-0
Good for him for trying to be a leader and point out the flaws and where we need to improve. The RISP problem is not as big as the pitching problem.
Nobody should hold their breath waiting for Captain Quiet to speak up to his teammates with an attempt to fire anybody up.
About the same stock answers out of him for several years now.
don…you may be right, but having young guys like Longoria, Upton, and others, as well as having a guy like Delmon Young to be able to trade for Garza and Bartlett, helps.
Pete doesn’t say which hand Joba’s blood vessel is broken, but I find it strange that they are throwing him out there, whether it’s his pitching or catching hand with the problem. He’s been so “protected” the past few years by the Joba Rules, where does it say he should pitch when injured? I think Girardi is desperate in hopes he’ll get a good 6-7 innings out of Joba. I’m not optimistic.
There are organizations that won’t even put a kid in their ML starting rotation until he is 24, regardless of the hype.
Unfortunately today, with large signing bonuses, the internet, excessive hype etc, guys get rushed before they are ready.
When folks say, (insert players name) has, “nothing left to prove”, in AAA, I say BS.
Baseball is a game where you are ALWAYS looking to improve and ALWAYS have something to learn outside the bright lights of NY.
Hughes has a LOT to learn. Some of it is his fault. A lot of it is not. Its the organizations fault for doing such a poor job of developing him over the last 5 years.
If the Yankees were known for being able to develop young pitching, they wouldn’t have spent $249 million dollars (the contracts of AJ, CC and Pettitte) to fill 3/5ths of their rotation.
They do a poor job at it and, unfortunately, Phil Hughes is Exhibit A of that fact.
Is it too late for Hughes? Of course not. He’s only 22 years old.
However, just as the Yankees as a team have to pick up their collective games, so does the player development end of this organization. I say this because after 5 years in the organization, their prized pitching prospect STILL has no idea how to minimize damage, self correct or keep his stuff and command out of the stretch.
That’s not good and that has to change or they won’t be able to develop any pitching and no organization can do that and expect to remain competitive.
Although I don’t think it’s nice that Damon is calling out his teammates, you can hardly disagree at this point.
Fire Eiland, he lost all credibilty imo when he said all Wanger needed to do was take it from the BP to the mound. What total bulldung that was. A good pitcher doesn’t blow up 3 games in a row without something being wrong, even a layman can tell that.
Damon is speaking on behalf of the entire clubhouse. These veterans want to win badly. They know this could be their last chance and they don’t want to miss the playoffs again.
In their mind, if Hughes (or any young pitcher) can’t get it done, find someone who can. And I agree 100%.
“However, just as the Yankees as a team have to pick up their collective games, so does the player development end of this organization. I say this because after 5 years in the organization, their prized pitching prospect STILL has no idea how to minimize damage, self correct or keep his stuff and command out of the stretch.”
Bingo. Great post.
Make Damon player-manager next year.
Wasn’t Eliand the one who was Hughes’ pitching coach when he was the #1 prospect in baseball?
That’s what got him the job right?
With all of the money the Yankees have…how do they not have the best personnel organizational wise???
Sometimes, I think they are more interested in selling the Yankees as a traveling circus for the YES network. Also, I think the Joe Girardi show needs to go.
Mel,
Kind of hard to hit with RISP when you are 3-5 down by the 4th inning on most nights.
The realities of the clubhouse is, veteran players hate guys like Hughes. They see talent, no toughness and that ticks them off.
A maternal point of view may think of that as “too tough”. But, that’s the laws of the jungle in the clubhouse.
Put it another way. If a team had 25 Johnny Damon’s, guys that play hard, leave it on the field, get big hits, or 25 Phil Hughes’, talented, not really tough, has a hard time finding your way, which team is closer to being a playoff team?
Frankly, this team is too PC. I’d like to see more guys speak up because I know for a fact the veterans on this team (Posada, Jeter, Damon, Pettitte, etc) aren’t happy with a lot of things.
Damon just isn’t afraid to speak up, as the other guys are, right now.
I’m at the game and I noticed nady is here fielding batting practice (looked good) but I was wondering if there’s any new info on him?
3-5 RUNS down by the 4th inning. Sorry for the typo.
Don’t understand batting Tex #3. At all. I know you want to show confidence, but why not show confidence in Cano. He’s earned at least a shot to be the 3 hitter. Send Tex to the bench or to the number 9 hole like his batting average suggests.
“I respect what Damon has to say. He tells it like it is. He is one of the few players on the team who will hang around and talk to the media no matter the outcome of the game.”
Not surprised you’d feel this way, Fran the original! I feel exactly the same way.
For the person who asked, it was Joba’s right hand.
You’re missing the point, Lawst. It’s not just Phil or any individual SP that’s stinking up the joint – the lineup many times is as well. When are they going to take responsibility? They’ve lost close games because they blew golden opportunities (enough with the bases loaded/0 out situations with no runs scoring – we’ve had I think two of those this year already? Pathetic)…..and they could have put the 14 inning/A’s game away had they done their job in the 7th. I don’t like pointing fingers -that means this clubhouse is starting to deteriorate – so I really don’t see how Damon’s comments did any good. Although I think he should also comment about the offense, I don’t think that’s going to do any good. If the players start blaming each other, then you’ve got a real problem.
Lawst,
And in the same vein, Mariano would be speaking for the entire pitching staff if he said, “These more experienced players need to hit better than (insert horrible RISP stat)”
Bases loaded nobody out? Not a problem. For the opposing team.
I’m not saying pitching’s not a problem. Even a blind squirrel can see that. Just can’t see what good it does to say it out loud. But Johnny has a habit of saying things without thinking. I don’t think it was calculated at all. I guess I’m just frustrated that their frustration is bubbling over.
Incog, Girardi was just saying they are considering some thing with regard to Tex so it could either mean a stint on the bench for him to clear his head or moving him down, as two of the possibilities. He absoloutely believes in Tex and that he will come around. I think we all do. At least I know I do.
Joe
May 10th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
From what I have read, Garcia is only 24 years old, and he was dazzling in ST. With the mess of a ‘pen we have , why not give the young flame throwers a chance? Joba seemed to do good his rookie year with a 98 MPH heater and a nice slider. Im sure we have to have a couple of guys like that…
————————————————————
Garcia must have been dazzling on a dance floor this past spring, because on the mound, he pitched 4 innings to the tune of a 6.75 ERA. He is not a pitcher that I’d be counting on any more than I would Alan Horne.
In the old days, the Yanks would over-hype their prospects,in the hope of trading them off. This was when they had an overabundance of talent to fall back on. It seems like, with Hughes,they bought their own hype and have nothing to fall back on. Cashman might have been able to get the best pitcher in baseball but kept Hughes instead. Poor judgment? Tough calls, no doubt, maybe not entirely his fault.
trisha,
Sitting Tex for one game in this series would’ve been perfect.
SJ – Correct. The players want to see toughness and the ability to grind out starts. Hughes didn’t even give them a chance
If Phil is getting rough treatment from his teammates because he’s struggling, then it’s not good for him to be hear. They can be angry with him all they want, but treating any teammate like that tells me more about them than it does about Phil. Did we like it when Mel Hall trashed Bernie Williams?
SJ, I understand what you are saying, but we simply can’t give the lineup a pass. At least, I’m not. If we go back and look at the game threads, how many posts would we see about the Yankees making the Sonnestines of the world look like Cy Young? That wasn’t just one game – that’s been a pattern.
Jeter’s in a slump – so is Cano., Where is Damon getting on their case? The lineup is blaming this all on the pitching? That’s nice – they take no responsibility for the team’s shabby play.
Not liking this clubhouse divided.
Damon IS speaking for the veterans on this team. No question about it.
At the major league level, its about wins and losses. That’s it.
“You play today, you win today, dassit”-Mariano Duncan in 1996.
Its not about “development”, incremental progress with young players or anything else. Its about WINNING. No excuses.
The young guys that help them win, like Joba for example, get veterans cred. Those who don’t, hear it.
That’s the way it goes.
I bet if you gave a secret ballot to every veteran player in the clubhouse about last night, every one of them, at least the 12-15 I know, would have agreed with Damon.
Again, its not about giving a guy a hug. Its the harsh reality of the locker room.
You have a veteran team and they want to win. They don’t want guys to continue to fail after being given numerous chances.
That’s just the way it is. They aren’t interested in breaking down % of blame between the player in question and the organization. The analysis doesn’t get that deep. They want to win, period.
Can’t say I blame them.
What is wrong with Cano? Head going back up his *ss again? Making up for his great April with a lousy May. He proved us wrong last month, he really is Mr. April.
here…….
Betsy – Mel Hall’s comments towards Bernie and his treatment of Bernie are completely different from Hughes.
Mel’s comments were nasty and personal and wanted to humiliate Bernie to keep him down. They had nothing to do with his talent or toughness. That’s not what is going on with Hughes.
I’m glad damon says something.I’m kinda sick with all the political correct answers from jeter
Then the Yankees will never develop pitching – that’s it. All of their youngsters should be given one shot at the ML level. If they fail, then then trade them so the veterans don’t have to look at their faces….
SJ, I’m frustrated because the Yankees players are laying this all on Phil…….that’s nice for him. I’m not giving them a pass – they’ve all played like crap this year.
“However, just as the Yankees as a team have to pick up their collective games, so does the player development end of this organization. I say this because after 5 years in the organization, their prized pitching prospect STILL has no idea how to minimize damage, self correct or keep his stuff and command out of the stretch.”
sj-
there’s been a coaching drain in the yankee’s minor league system for some reason.
gill patterson, tony cloninger, neil allen , etc are all in other organizations. there’s nothing wrong with bringing in new blood in eiland and others, but if the red sox can find a place for cloninger as a special pitching assistant the yankees surely could have. he was there when pettitte and mo came up and would have been very good with the new group.
he didn’t leave on his own volition.
them…….
Hughes gave them a chance against AJ Burnett through 7 innings. He gave them a chance through 6 against Detroit.
Of course he has a lot to learn. But their collective heads were not in that game yesterday. So, yes, it’s on Hughes, but he’s not a total lost cause. Didn’t Lester give up 7 yesterday as well? Maybe in one inning.
Anyway, yes, Hughes has a ways to go. But I, for one, am not ready to kick him to the curb.
So for all you statistic gurus out there, is Zack Grienke just extremely lucky lately? Or has he transformed into an extremely dominant pitcher?
And by lucky, I mean extremely low BA for balls in play, etc.
I’ve got a question for the group –
If the Yanks are blowing it with Phil Hughes, by rushing him at an early age, he needs to be older before being thrown into it, etc…
Are the Tigers blowing it with Rick Porcello (2007 draft, right?), the Rays with David Price (he was pitching in college last year, no?) and will the Nats (presumably) make a mistake by putting Strasburg in the rotation in 2010?
This is a serious question. After all, it’s much different getting college players, most of whom will never sniff a pro contract, to make out, and getting ML hitters out. I don’t think these guys have faced too many hitters like ARod, Pujols, Miguel Cabrera, ……the list goes on.
don
May 10th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
The yankees need to model after the rays, theses younger teams are killing the yankees because they are nuch youger faster, and management knows money DOES NOT but champiomships, I would much rather see pena, gardner, erverilli than some of the older players who get hot and cold and more cold than hot. Bring excitement back to the team, speed, youth and a fire to win. You cant perform leave. We need a manager with fire , How many times has the manager gone out a complain about a call, we need a manager back like torre, martin, stengal.
————————————————————
You want the Yankees to model their team after the Devil Rays? You mean that they should finish with the first or second worst record in baseball for the next ten years? Yeah, I could see how that would make the fans happy.
How do the veterans feel about Vares Edwar and Albaladejo (they aren’t young) who continue to not give the team a chance to win? They are given chance after chance and it’s the same results.
Or is it because Hughes is a kid and struggling they want to be vocal about his struggles?
Vince,
Don’t know your answer. But he lost a 1-0 game to Saunders yesterday. And Greinke’s ERA rose!
Looks like he’s put things together. But it looked like that for Cliff Lee last year, too.
Westerner, I don’t know how they are treating Phil in the clubhouse, but if they are treating him like he doesn’t belong or otherwise giving him the cold shoulder, then that tells me that this is not a bunch of good guys. I don’t think any player (short of Pavano) should be treated like that. I understand that they want to win – I understand (though I’ve never been in one) how a clubhouse works. I find it funny that they are placing all blame on one kid and not one of these players has looked at themselves in a mirror. IMO, they aren’t doing that.
The clubhouse isn’t divided. They just aren’t going to hug a kid who melted down again, like he did last year, on the mound last night.
In fact, the clubhouse is more unified than it has been in YEARS.
Mel,
You know what Mariano will tell Hughes, and he will? “You have to be tougher and find a way to get outs or you won’t be here for long”.
That’s the message he gives to EVERY young pitcher.
As religious and nice a guy as Mariano is, doesn’t mince words with teammates. That’s why, like Damon, he has their respect.
If Phil Hughes is ever going to make it as a starting pitcher in major league baseball, whether its with the Yankees or another organization, he is going to have to get tougher. If he can, he has the chance to be very good.
If he can’t, he will be a career “prospect” and nothing more.
A teammates tough love approach may be what’s best for Hughes right now. Nothing else has worked to date. It certainly can’t hurt.
I think you are definitely hearing a lot of frustration here. Pete pointed out to Girardi last night that the Yankees have had 6 games where they were beaten by 10 runs or more. As Damon pointed out, it’s hard to come back from a deficit, especially that kind of deficit, game after game after game.
And as Damon isn’t someone who would criticize a flea, for him to be talking about it speaks volumes to me.
I’m a huge Phil supporter and still expect to see him as one of our best for a long time to come. But it doesn’t bother me to hear him or anyone else have to hear that the team needs and expects more.
It sickens me to hear it here if you want to know the truth, from whining crybabies who stomp their feet and puke and give up on everyone and everything when things don’t go their way – or who need to find fault even when things do. Big heroes sitting behind keyboards on their butts complaining about people who are out there trying. At least the players have EARNED the right to say something. They’re the ones out there busting their butts!
Trevor, good point. I think the rep that this clubhouse has of being a bunch of good guys overblown. At this point, Phil should stick with Joba – at least we know he’s his friend. I’m not looking for Phil to get hugs, but I sure don’t expect him to be treated like yesterday’s garbage.
Next time the team gets shut down by a mediocrity, I want Damon or whomever to come out and say that they stink…….but he won’t do that
Vince, I think he has morphed into the pitcher he showed signs of being in the past. And for what he has been through I would love him to win the Cy Young award this year. He had some psychological issues he had to deal with, and he dealt with them successfully so it seems.
God bless him.
ok let’s fund a way to win yankees. not lose
*find
Joel Sherman had a very poetic & apt phrase in his article after Joba’s last start. He said that while Joba gave up 4 runs in what eventually became a loss, he didn’t quit and fought back by striking out 12. He wrote that sometimes it’s about reconciling “repertoire and resolve”, in baseball terms, grinding one out. Hughes did not do that last night.
“As religious and nice a guy as Mariano is, doesn’t mince words with teammates. That’s why, like Damon, he has their respect.”
Amen!
And you are right, Mo certainly doesn’t mince his words.
SJ – Orel Hershiser tells a story of when he first came up with the Dodgers, and got beaten around a bit. The perception was that he wasn’t tough enough to get out of trouble. Hershiser relates that Lasorda came down on him, all fire and brimstone, and then did a 180 of sorts, gave him the “Bulldog” nickname and told him to suck it up, or words to that effect.
Nice story, as Hershiser turned out fairly well. Maybe that’s what Phil needs.
In Search of O’Neill
May 10th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
What is wrong with Cano? Head going back up his *ss again? Making up for his great April with a lousy May. He proved us wrong last month, he really is Mr. April.
————————————————————
Other than Damon, Cabrera and Cano, who on that team is hitting like they’re supposed to be hitting? Swisher has dropped 100 points in about 3 weeks. Matsui has hit the skids over the last 7 days. Certainly, you’re not talking about Jeter’s big bat.
Betsy,
Sometimes a player needs his peers to tell him the truth.
Robbie Cano needed it last year and didn’t get it until September.
JMO but, Phil Hughes needs it now. Some of it is because he’s been too coddled by this organization. Some it is because well, he needs it.
If I was a player last night, I’d be PI$$ED at him.
There was no reason for him to melt down like he did last night. None.
Do they hate Phil Hughes? Of course not.
But, he has to get it together. Just the laws of the jungle.
Randy,
100% agree and the talent drain shows when a kid like Hughes still has holes in his game, 5 years into his career, and a kid like Brett Gardner has no idea how to bunt.
Its a fair question to ask, “How does that happen to a team with this many resources at their disposal”/
That’s not an out of bounds question.
Let’s Go Yanks!!!!
“Drain003 May 10th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
I highly doubt if LaRussa would come here and have to answer to that stooge Levine and such.”
I agree 100% Drain, this is a real problem. Who in their right mind would want to work under the present “ownership group?” Who is calling the shots? Who is Cashman accountable to? No one like LaRussa or Bobby V would want to step into a mess like this (I don’t think there is enough $$$ to mitigate this mess).
DB
“Next time the team gets shut down by a mediocrity, I want Damon or whomever to come out and say that they stink…….but he won’t do that”
Damon is probably the one guy on the team that does do that. He tells it like it is.
SJ,
Bingo! That’s what Mariano would tell HUGHES. No one else with a recorder would be privvy to the conversation.
Not a problem at all with what Damon said, just the venue. I called out Mussina on airing his frustration as well. And guess what? They end up apologize to the party when they say things publicly. My point was just keep it private, it’ll mean more.
Though in the name of complete honesty, I have to admit I did bench Phil on my Fantasy team! (Hey at least I didn’t drop him.)
SJ, I agree with that – I really do. I also think Phil can take it – he’s not fragile, just inexperienced. I believe the raw material, all of it, is there for him to be a good pitcher. He’s not ready for the majors right now – but he’s here because the Yankees were put in a bind (for the 2nd time in his career). All I’m saying is that if they don’t like what Phil stands for (what they see at the moment is him being talented yet not tough), how are they treating him? I just don’t want him to become a pariah in there…..If that’s not the case, I’m glad to hear it.
I think the lineup needs tough love – there have been times when they just completely shut down. In fact that’s happened a lot….
i read somewhere people were talking about putting hughes in the pen. i’m not so sure about that. what do you guys think just out of curiosity.
Great start already. Love this team.
Trisha, you see. You can make good moves for your fantasy team.
You can like Hughes as a prospect AND still believe he needs a kick in the butt. Those two positions aren’t mutually exclusive.
Frankly, that’s the opinion of the majority of the guys on the team.
A clubhouse truly is a laws of the jungle place. Phil has to earn his stripes. Joba has already. That’s just the way it is.
Tex! I change my mind!
tex!!!!!!!
Tex!
A tex message to right field
a-rod and a pink bat. haha. it just looks funny. but good for tex, hopefully he gets out of this slump
Those who have supported Tex – 1; you others – 0.
(okay, it’s early)
“Maybe Johnny should also say this:” our linup has to start to learn to give our pitchers two or three runs to work with. Stop letting the opposing pitcher settle in and don’t give the team a chance to come back”.”
Honestly Betsy. Sometimes I think you read WAY too much into things.
And why should Johnny Damon be talking about taking responsibility for the offense woes? He’s been shouldering a big part of the load to date.
Tex is starting to hit. Pat M and I said it the other day, he’s close.
His swings, especially from the left side are much, much better.
He’s going to get it going now. You can see it.
He’s too good a hitter to struggle all year.
I noticed a very subdued fist pump from Joba in the dugout. Doesn’t want to burst a vessel.
Lets get em Alex.
nice to see tex with the homer and arod a rocket to left
Fran -
I made some other moves this morning. Nobody took me up on my trade proposals (just as well because I liked some of the trade bait) so I went and read the Insider and picked up a few players some of them recommended. Then I went to the added/dropped for the week and got someome else who has good points. Take a look at the added/dropped when you get a chance. Da Melky is there is one who has gotten a lot of added points in the last 7 days!
Maybe Tex wants to stay a few more days.
And I think Alex needs to swing the pink bat all year. Nice hit after Uehara got robbed on ball 3.
Fran, but that’s the point, Damon has not criticized the lineup…….it’s always about the pitchers with them. To me, that sounds almost like a clubhouse divided (though SJ says it’s not ). I just don’t see them taking responsibility for their own pitiful performances.
It also hasn’t just been Phil stinking up the joint……where are the criticisms of the other pitchers? It would have killed me to read similiar quotes after the Saturday game in Boston, but why didn’t Damon or anyone else kill AJ for that? Were they pissed off at him then? What about Andy in the game after that or in his most recent start where he got off to a terrible start and then, after the Yankees tied it, gave up the go-ahead HR? How about after CC came up craps on Opening Day? Where were the honest quotes from Damon then?
Fran, I dropped a few players too. Made me feel bad to do it but I just had to.
Mel,
Next to Jeter, Damon is the most media savvy guy on the team.
He was right to say what he said, and correct to do it publicly.
Hughes needed to be called out after last night. He really did.
If he takes it the right way, he will be better for it. If not, then he doesn’t belong on the roster.
BTW, go back and listen to Damon’s post-game interviews when they don’t hit.
On numerous occasions, he calls himself, and others out, when they don’t hit.
The guy is a standup guy and has earned the right to talk publicly about the state of the team.
I wish more guys, who feel the same way as Johnny, did the same.
Jobber time
Angel, I’m not saying that Damon should criticize himself. HOwever, if he is going to kill the pitching, shouldn’t he kill the lineup? It’s not looking too much into things – it’s being fair.
“Where were the honest quotes from Damon then?”
Betsy, Damon was probably not quite as frustrated on Opening Day at a brand new Stadium with a new Yankee pitcher on the mound in a lauching pad stadium. Probably figured things would get better. I think the magic number for frustration is 6 games where the opposition has scored 10 runs or more…
At some point you stop blaming the “Yankees”, the coaches, and start blaming the player.
Guys need to man up.
It’s up to the clubhouse leaders, Damon included, to smack some guys (not necessarily literally) around if there are guys feeling sorry for themselves.
I’d rather Hughes get angry than sad. Get a chip on his shoulder and start to pitch as if the hitter is calling him out during every at bat… challenging Phil to show he’s worth a damn.
Damon has criticized the lineup PLENTY of times since he’s been here, himself included!
Average fastball 89 mph. Needs to start throwing harder.
joba makes 1st innings look like going to the dentist…
I have no problem with anyone being given a kick in the butt – none at all. I also have no problem, and can understand it, with the players being pissed off at being taken completely out of the game early. That said, I wouldn’t mind if a SP came out and called out the lineup for being weak (to say the least). The Yankees have scored many of their runs after it’s too late – we all know how they have made bad pitching look good.
Now here’s where Girardi needs to be careful. If it’s his thumb, yank him.
Jones lining doubles down the 3rd base line is sooooo May 9th.
I don’t like that Joba has an excuse for this game if he struggles.
come on Joba
I think people are off base to criticize Johnny. A few reasons why:
1. Nobody on this team plays harder or cares more than he does. Nobody. He plays hurt and he plays hard.
2. He is widely respected in the clubhouse and he is a winner.
3. He was exactly right in what he said and somebody needs to say it.
4. This team could use more guys willing to say what is right instead of what they think sounds good.
5. Young players need to be accountable for what they do publicly and privately. If they can’t stand the heat, maybe they shouldn’t be Yankees
6. This team has not spent a day alone in first place since the final day of the 2006 season. Don’t you think it’s time somebody in that clubhouse showed some emotion?
Jim Palmer is nailing it on the broadcast. Joba shouldn’t be in this game right now. This is a mistake and it smacks of desperation.
Regardless of results, he’s looking at his thumb after every pitch.
This is wrong. Not good. Not good at all.
Trish, I was talking opening day for real – in Baltimore. If I’m wrong about Damon not killing the lineup, then I apologize……….
“That said, I wouldn’t mind if a SP came out and called out the lineup for being weak (to say the least). ”
——–
they might want to wait until they don’t have one of the worst ERA’s in all of baseball before they call anyone out.
But he has Betsy, he’s always been one to be hard on himself when he feels its warranted. Even as a Red Sox player.
It was hard to hear him say those things about Phil, I know. But he was absolutely right. And if Phil takes them to heart and takes them in the “give a kid brother a kick up the butt” spirit they seemed to be intended in – then he’ll be a much better pitcher.
Its tough being a Yankee. It sometimes baffles me why players sign up for it, lol. If he had of done that in Yankee Stadium, you know exactly how the fans would have come down on him. Gotta have a backbone of steel to be a Yankee. Sometimes backbones of steel are built on moments of tough love and unpleasant times of people telling you like it is.
SJ44,
I agree…why take the risk of further aggravating the thumb…
Aceves was ready and hasn’t been all that bad in his limitied MLB experience…
It’s only May 10th…
This guy’s supposed to be the future ace…so you take this risk?
Everytime Joba. Someone tell him he can’t coast through the first inning like this.
Think you’re right, SJ…………
Joba first inning issues continue.
Oh dear
this is just silly now…huff did a joba fist pump at the plate lol
Well that lead didn’t last too long. Maybe Joba should not be pitching today.
“That said, I wouldn’t mind if a SP came out and called out the lineup for being weak (to say the least).”
THEY HAVE!!! What do you think it means when a starter says “I can only go out and do my job and keep the team in the game”? Do you listen carefully to the postgames? Because a player does not say “what a pissant bunch of schlumps we have assembled in our lineup. Christ, a t-ball team could do better!” doesn’t mean that the position players haven’t been called out.
Girardi needs to pull Joba now. It is an injury to his thumb. Period. Get Aceves up. Joba is not going to say he’s hurting.
He shouldn’t be in this game because he is not healthy.
This is just not right. Big, big mistake.
You can’t be DESPERATE on May 10. If that’s the way they are acting, they aren’t up to the task.
This is not good and this is completely on Girardi.
Joba shouldn’t be in this game.
i don’t understand y we keep throwin huff curveballs..the guy is just sittin on that pitch, both last nite and tonite and he golfs it outa here…i gota question the pitch selection here
If i were Joba…100mph in the head to Huff.
Huff does a fake fist pump. I find it more amusing then hurtful.
Wow, Huff just sent a message, that’s for sure.
Angel, very good points. I don’t think Phil is some fragile china doll, so he’ll be fine………
LOL at that pick off.
“If i were Joba…100mph in the head to Huff.”
——
or just K him…
that was the poorest run down i ever saw lol
Bets I apologize. I thought you were talking opening day at the Stadium.
Wooo that took a lot of back and forth throwing!
so where is the first inning velocity?
91 mph is not going to get it done for joba.
Is that Giambi or Tex?
Okay, that made me giggle
If Joba has ANY balls out there Huff needs to go down.
Joba doesn’t look right at all.
The Wang fiasco has thrown this team into a tailspin.
“huff needs to be drilled…in the effin head”
——–
you can’t defend Joba’s emotion but criticize other players for doing it.
The answer is to make Huff look silly in the batter’s box, buckle his knees, and more importantly – win the damn game…
Is Joba not warming up properly before his starts? These last 2 games his velocity and command haven’t been there in the first inning…
I hate to repeat myself but, this is not right.
Why is he still in this game?
See, this is the stuff that doesn’t put Girardi in a good light. It doesn’t.
Joba isn’t right. You don’t have to be a trained baseball person to SEE IT.
The curveball is just rolling to the plate. No ummph on the fastball. He isn’t even trying to throw the slider because he can’t grip the ball!
This isn’t right.
Cashman should call that clubhouse right now and demand they take him out of the game.
Why risk him? What’s the point?
Honestly folks, this is bad. Very, very bad.
No other way to say it.
I’m sure Girargi will have an excuse for this game too.
Huff needs to get drilled after that BS! pumping the first rounding first AND at the plate. what a bunch of bunk!
The O’s were discussing the “pumping of fists” prior to the game. (from the O’s feed of the game)
perhaps our boys need a brawl to get going
Does Joba think he can coast through the first inning? Pretty odd that he almost never has anything in the first but looks like a completely different pitcher the rest of the game.
anyone know how many pitches joba is at
“I don’t think Phil is some fragile china doll, so he’ll be fine………”
Betsy you are absolutely right. Phil is a mature kid, mature beyond his years as far as I’m concerned, who has always taken responsibility. That’s the very reason I never lost faith in him when he went down last year but wanted Ian Kennedy to disappear. They are two very differnt kinds of players to me, and I don’t just mean their skill levels. Phil will make the necessary adjustments and he’ll be fine. Maybe Girardi will have Cash catch his next game.
can we see a brawl please
something to wake up this team
someone needs to be plunked cause no one is afraid of the yankee pitchers..they are just leaning over the plate and hackin at it
I think we should all get a life and go do something productive with our time rather than wasting time following this team right now. Wouldn’t this time be better spent reading a book, or raking up the lawn, or for those whose mothers are living, call them, or for those whose mothers are deceased, maybe thinking of all the good times you had with them?
Sayonara for awhile….
that being said, Joe should hook Joba. He is not himself
Wow. Huff did two fist pumps?
“Honestly folks, this is bad. Very, very bad.
No other way to say it.”
———
It’s just an excuse. Joba doesn’t need excuses. He needs to pitch.
Boston Dave, did you make it to La Taqueria?
And Buddy B. wants to know how the yoga went.
sj44-
how can it take 5 throws on a rundown?
and what is teixeira doing not diving for that groundball?
this is crazy.
this team has to get their composure. teixeira doesn’t do that.
the toughness you’re talking about needs to come out.
if someone like aubrey huff wants to call them out, there needs to be an answer.
teams are laughing at the yankees right now. that just can’t happen.
25 pitches for Joba
We need lotsa runs
Posada would never call that offspeed in that spot, Cisco is so comfy back there, he knows what he’s doing, I bet he settles Joba down here.
It’s going to be a looooooooooooooooooooooooong season.
Whatever Joba is afraid to let loose in the first inning, he needs to get over it. Joba is losing ballgames in the first inning every night. Who cares if he strikes out 12 batters over 5 2/3 if he already gave up 4 in the first and the game is over?
There is really no excuse for him to throw 90 mph to the first three hitters and all of a sudden “amp it up” after he gives up 3-4 runs! He needs to come out there firing and set the tone early, rather than be tentative and let the other team put up a ton of runs early.
It doesn’t make sense. Unless Girardi, Dave Eiland, Tony Pena, and the trainers Mohahan and Donahue, all want to be fired, why would Joba be pitching if he had anything resembling an injury of concern? The logic here is missing.
But, I really can’t say for sure. Unlike other people, I’m not examining his hand myself.
Dee, unless you care to keep gameday open, you can check this once in a while.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/boxsco.....b_balmlb_1
has anyone mentioned michael kay? did anyone hear this loser michael kay?
attacking joba for that loser aubrey huff showing us up. he’s defending the other teams player.
ENOUGH!!
Show some grit, come back and win this game, “dust” a few guys after the game’s in hand, and become a winning team!
You think Cone, O’Neill, and Strawberry cared if someone might get hurt in a dust up?
I’ve said recently that the Yankees have not been conservative with their injuries lately at all – they take chances that they used not to do. In the past, if a player got hurt, the Yankees would give the player an extra day beyond where they technically could come back. Not anymore. Now we have Damon playing with a bum shoulder (not even an x-ray taken) and Joba with a bad thumb…….I guess JOe was afraid of not having Aceves in the pen. He’s desperate to win
you cant say for sure this is all on the thumb..its not like this is some aberration..joba tends to show diminished stuff in the first inning and then pick it up…that has to be addressed but nonetheless if he is feeling his thumb then he shouldnt be out there
Joba is trying to be a good teammate. But, this is a time where the manager has to take control and take it out of his hands.
If Alfredo Aceves is not in this game in the second inning, and this injury shelves for the next week-10 days, this is entirely on Girardi and Eiland.
You can’t do this on May 10. Its wrong. It really is.
The SEASON isn’t worth Joba Chamberlain.
How in the world is this game worth risking him?
i personally don’t get what the big deal is with joba’s fist pumping. he showed emotion. i wish this team showed more emotion. at least he has some life to him, unlike the rest of them. and plus, he what 23 years old? give him a freakin break.
Now let’s see what this team is made of. They need to score some runs in multiple innings and not just via the homerun. The need to string hits together.
Where’s Randy I and Murph. Can’t they give Aubrey a smack for us?
Joba not going drill Huff next time up. He’ll probably give him some chin music though.
Yeah the band took a break the DJ played P.Diddy
She said I didnt come here to hear somethin bumpin from the city
Said I shaved my legs, I paid my Money
Ayoo Play somethin Country
Ayoo aw Play somethin country
Crank up the band play the steel guitar,
Hank it up a little lets rock this bar.
Threw back a shot yelled I’m a George Strait Junkie
Ayoo Play somethin Country
joba is garbage just like hughes.
our team is awful this year, we let other teams openly mock us without retaliation. what a disgrace.
I am saddened we dont have a manager who cares and that the old steinbrenner isnt around anymore……..things would be alot different
Huff needs to get drilled next at bat …joba needs to get ahead in the count
isn’t worth RISKING Joba Chamberlain. Sorry for the typo.
aubrey huff specifically made it a point to look in at joba to show him up. Joba does not look at or go out of his way to show people up. where are the true yankees fans who are going to insult michael kay.
we lose today 7-5…..just watch
“The answer is to make Huff look silly in the batter’s box, buckle his knees, and more importantly – win the damn game…”
… and then i’d still drill him
I love all the internet tough guys who think a fight is the way to solve everything.
Or you could get the guy out.
The Yankee need to be less concerned with crap like that and more concerned with winning games.
Why are you surprised? Michael Kay has ALWAYS had an issue with Joba doing that.
Of course he’s seizing the moment to pile on some more!
I just looked up the numbers for Hughes, Santana & Greinke all at the age of 23……For all his up & down starts, he’s far ahead of both of them right across the board…It’s not really close…..Epecially in whip & ba against. K’s / BB Ratio’s…..
I need to see more to come to that conclusion SJ. He looked like this in the first inning of his last start, too.
By the way, great post about your mom.
Joba should K Huff next at bat and then drill him in the side with a 95 mph heater in his next AB. That’s if Joba is still in the game. What Huff did was lame. First inning, double fist pump? I see plenty of pitchers show emotion and do fist pumps, but only a New York Yankee and only Joba get singled out.
Like i said last night,
as George Steinbrenner went, so did the Yankees.
If George was still around, Michael Kay would be fired.
Nick,
I haven’t made it into San Fran yet. I was supposed to go a couple days ago but I’m heading that way this afternoon.
We did hit Zachary’s last night and I guess we’re going to some place “Spork”? tonight which isn’t too far from La Taqueria. I’ll grab something there one way or another…
Yoga was fine… it’s not really my thing but I get dragged to it every once in a while. At least there’s usually something good to look at while I’m there.
Huff has no class, just strike him out next time Joba.
Michael Kay should just shut his mouth.
SJ i love your insights, personally i think you she be an advisor of some sorts for the yankees. I mean you seem to have some connections with the yankee organization, why not go for it?
GJ Robbie.
If it was Markakis it would be one thing but it’s Aubrey Huff! That guy sucks!
should be*
*guys!*
At least take enough of a breath to CONSIDER that Joba’s thumb might be the reasonm! Cripes.
Last night everyone was puking purple when Aceves didn’t come in, like you all know Girardi’s job better than he does (a constant assumption here and if you REALLY believe that you need a little time in bellevue) and then we find out he held out Aceves because he didn’t know if Joba was going today.
WAIT. If it isn’t about his thumb, then you might want to do some analysis. But in the meantime please be expansive enough to consider possibilities that don’t always entail immediate finger pointing!
Has Joba ever actually done a fist pump to Aubrey Huff before? Seems odd that someone uninvolved with Joba would do something so… lame.
“as George Steinbrenner went, so did the Yankees.”
i said the exact same thing. he instilled fear in them.
i wish joba would throw at michael kay.
this loser michael kay, 6 times before,
1-3-4-2-3-5 thats how they scored it. like that had any importance.
I got this from another blog that talked about Huff’s fist pump:
“I’m watching the Oriole broadcast and Jim Palmer said the team actually discussed doing that in a pregame meeting. Classy.”
“The SEASON isn’t worth Joba Chamberlain.
How in the world is this game worth risking him?”
——–
what is the risk? Everyone has said he’s fine. If he’s not, then I agree. But there has been no indication that he is not.
Would you rather the Yankees take the JD Drew approach to games?
If it’s a legit injury, then of course… but it sounds like it’s no big deal.
Risp isn’t a problem naaaaw.
I don’t care about Huff calling him out.
Its a long season and the Yankees are struggling.
Win games and payback, if that’s what you want to do, can come later.
They can’t afford to lose a pitcher to a suspension. They have to win games.
Randy,
First thing I thought of when I saw the rundown was, “why does it take 5 throws”! lol
Look on the bright side, if Giambi was the first baseman, Mora would have been on second.
““I’m watching the Oriole broadcast and Jim Palmer said the team actually discussed doing that in a pregame meeting. Classy.” ”
——–
gotta do something to keep themselves entertained in last place.
huff is eating dirt the next time up
WOW RISP gagging against garbage pitchers? We’ve never seen that before…
its not like joba is the ONLY pitcher that fist pumps…this is ridiculous
Tim Sherman,
What?
I hope a Yankees player gets a HR and pumps their fist at every base. Then beats up the Orioles. Mark looks too girly to fight. I think A-Rod or Cano could take care of business
Trisha, the thumb very well could be the reason. But in his last start, Joba gave up 4 runs in the 1st (including a 3 run HR)and he had no injury issues.
The fact of the matter is Huff stared directly at Joba doing that. Joba turns his back to any player or team he pumps his fist to. Kay made a good point saying that Joba does it out of pure emotion, while what Huff did was planned out. Somebody other than Joba should drill him
what comes around goes around….payback will come for huff, just wait and see
gotta love this team with RISP!
Stay classy, Huff.
whoever mentioned jim palmer and the pregame fist pump meeting,
that’s why the orioles are perennial losers. they probably discuss before red sox games how they are going to throw the game and not be noticed and outed by the viewers.
BTW isn’t being owned by a last place joke of the major leagues awesome?
I could really care less about what Huff did. I am surprised he felt the need to do it at home plate a second time.
What bothers me is how the Yankees keep allowing guys like Aubrey Huff to continually beat them.
Markakis and Roberts I can live with.
teams use to fear us….now they come out guns blazing….we have no answer….everybody want to beat us and make us look like fools
It’s still bush league by Huff. If Joba should K Huff and win the game to get back at Huff, shouldn’t Huff have just hit the HR and jogged around the bases without the shenanigans? I’m all for Joba drilling him. Why would he get tossed or suspended, no warnings have been issued?
A brawl would be stupid. We don’t need any more injuries.
I’d rather have someone hit a grand slam and have everyone who crosses the plate pump their fist.
Huff vs. Joba under the O’Neil banner-that’s the only way to settle this
Okay, let’s see how Joba does here.
Dave,
Let’s see…..
They said Wang was “100% in ST and for the start of the season”. How did that turn out?
They said Bruney’s injury is “not serious”. How is that going?
They said Marte is “just sore”. How did that turn out?
They said Posada was “fine” last year. How did that turn out?
You really trust this team when it comes to injuries? I don’t any longer.
Plus, if Joba is “ok”, why is he checking his finger after almost every pitch?
Even if he is, the fact that he is checking his finger tells me its an issue. At least in his mind.
So, what’s the point of pitching him? There is none.
Its a mistake. A big mistake because if that thumb develops a blister because that would put him out longer.
No reason he should be pitching today.
Put it to you another way….
If this team was 19-11, instead of 14-16, you think he would be pitching today? I don’t.
this coaching staff is not on top of their game, they aren’t making calls when they have to, i mean it taken eiland for ever to reallise his pitcher is struggling, and girardi makes some questionable bullpen calls at the least
That was a really nice post about your mom, SJ.
She sounds like she was a helluva lady.
Get ready to bvrawl in the next inning or two.
Say what you want about Torre, but he always had an army of experienced former ML managers on his staff. Very knowledgeable bunch.
7 of Teixeira’s 21 hits are homeruns.
Huff vs. Joba under the O’Neil banner-that’s the only way to settle this
Okay, let’s see how Joba does here.
**************************************************
I was thinking Celebrity DeathMatch myself.
I am proud to be an internet tough guy, lol!
Pete if I had Joba’s stuff and you did that to me, you would be eating some dirt your next AB
Joba should have did the fist pump.
Joba shouldn’t drill Huff or anybody. Why risk a suspension or a brawl with injuries to our players? It’s not worth it. If the Yanks want to make a point they should hit the ball to the White House every time they come up and Joba shoudl strike out 15 Orioles.
if only his first innings were like his 2nd innings
Cisco I love ya buddy.
SJ44,
good points. I think that they might take a different approach with Joba or Hughes than with the vets when it comes to possible injuries, though.
At least Joba hasn’t been checking his thumb very much in the 2nd inning.
Baltimore heckler behind home plate yelling about Joba’s mom and crystal meth.
Stay classy Baltimore.
Anyone notice that Joba took off the pink necklace for the 2nd inning?
We’re down two catchers, a SP, a starting OF, a set-up man, a situational lefty, and we just got our best player back from the DL – and people want a brawl that could possibly yield MORE injuries?
Mind-boggling.
Why can’t we see that from Joba in the 1st inning?
Pete,
With each passing day, its getting tougher and tougher to have confidence in the pitching side of this coaching staff.
Especially tough running Joba out there today.
I don’t care if he strikes out the next 15 guys in a row, you don’t risk the kid.
As far as his first inning troubles? The entire staff has first inning trouble and, 31 games in, no adjustments.
Its why Eiland, Harkey and Girardi are losing points everyday when it comes to their abilities to get this pitching staff going.
I don’t care about injuries. There is too much talent on this pitching staff to be this bad.
SJ44: very nice post about your mom. Mine was a Brooklyn Dodgers fan as a little girl; I’m still not sure how, as her parents had no interest in baseball whatsoever. She still has vivid memories of making a little “Dodgers win the pennant” sign that she was going to parade up and down her street until Bobby Thomson broke her heart.
She’s now a Yankee fan and her opinions about Joba’s proper role are influenced by the latest thing she’s read in the New York Times. I’ll probably have to miss the end of this game as I’m driving up to Marin to treat her to a movie which, unfortunately, probably won’t be Star Trek.
Happy Mothers Day to all the moms here on LoHud, especially the Mama Bears who’ve adopted favorite players on the team. Don’t worry, the tough love can come from someone else!
If Robinson Cano punches someone, he gets a few days off to recharge like he needs! He probably throws a nice little punch
yankees should have signed this guy instead of Kei Igawa
Why he sucks. We make him look good.
Have a nice day with your mom, Nick.
Maybe you can talk her into Star Trek? lol
“Baltimore heckler behind home plate yelling about Joba’s mom and crystal meth.”
OMG, WHAT SCUM! Words cant describe! My mother has her own addictions but you NEVER say that type of thing
I don’t care about injuries. There is too much talent on this pitching staff to be this bad.
AMEN! I’m getting so tired of hearing all the excuses for these coaches.
As a Sox fan, I will never say anything bad about Johnny Damon. You guys are lucky to have him. He’s given his all for every team he’s played for, and as sorry as I was to see him go, the Fenway fans who boo him should be ashamed of themselves. Sure, he could’ve been a god in Boston, but chose to be a rich man in NY instead. That said, it was the right move not to re-sign him. It hurt, but Ellsbury had to play. Is there any doubt that Theo Epstein is the best GM in baseball? Damon’s a great player, but sentimentality does not win championships.
“We’re down two catchers, a SP, a starting OF, a set-up man, a situational lefty, and we just got our best player back from the DL – and people want a brawl that could possibly yield MORE injuries?”
or it could spark a team that has looked flat all season
BTW, have you seen a baseball brawl recently? It is not like Rangers/Islanders!
way to go damon, god
“Baltimore heckler behind home plate yelling about Joba’s mom and crystal meth.”
I’m paying more attention to how Cisco is settling Joba in this game and wondering if Roberts would have seen that sequence w/ Georgy behind the plate.
it seems that this guy has a really awesome changeup..or we just arent pickin it up
As far as Huff, its a long season.
Play better, and keep mental notes.
Later in the year, that’s when you do it.
Do it now? That would be foolish because the Yankees have much bigger problems than Aubrey Huff mocking Joba.
How about getting him out for a change since he has driven in 30 runs in his last 24 games against the Yankees.
“or it could spark a team that has looked flat all season
BTW, have you seen a baseball brawl recently? It is not like Rangers/Islanders!”
Why risk it? It’s stupid.
I’d only go for it if we had Chan Ho Park leading the charge. He once roundhouse kicked a batter, can’t get better than that.
and a rod last chance
Huff is an example of the rest of the league right now, no one fears the Yanks anymore and right now they’re getting laughed at this team
Like I said his first game back, A-Rod loves this attention.
The last brawl was Rays vs Sox, I think. Coco vs Shields, IIRC. Then Manny pre-HcG slapped Youk.
wow lead runner on and nothin, awesome
It seems like it’s been a long, long time since the Yankees worked a starter and knocked him out in the third or fourth inning. Yet it happens to our starters all the time.
2 outs and no on, come on lets start a brawl yankees
Joba facing Huff this inning. Should be interesting.
I guess we’re gonna have to hear Michael Kay explain why Orioles fans boo Teixera for the next 7-8 years.
The worst part is that he does it every at-bat.
Joba just needs to get Huff out. Save the beanball a guy who really deserves it…like Youk.
I hope the Yankees are very proud of the fact that they are the only team in baseball that doesn’t pound this pathetic pitching staff every time they see them.
If Joba throws anywhere near Huff’s upper body, he MUST be ejected.
What? Jones didnt hit a double down the line?
Past a lunging Jeter. As usual.
boston dave-
the difference is that huff taunted joba looking right at him rounding first base. joba just does it without looking at opposing players.
but i agree that beating the other team is the best payback.
97 mph fastball by joba i haven’t seen that in a long time.
“The joke in the Baltimore clubhouse this morning was that Joba hurt his thumb pumping his fist.”
that makes what Huff did worse! It was premeditated! I doubt he would pull that stuff with Papelbon. However, Papelbon is a much better pitcher than Joba
come on Joba.
Heads up Cervelli
hey, a break from the umps!
Please, enough with the internet tough guy talk.
Try winning games. After today, the Yankees have 12 more games with the Orioles.
Win games and play better, then worry about the stupid stuff.
Hey Pete: where’s all the name-calling to the people who believe Joba should be in the pen? You like like the idiot today.
“hey, a break from the umps!”
A break ? those are the rules since little league.
wait, how does markakis walk but jones gets caught stealing what?
Thats a weird way of sliding. Your front leg misses the bag and you overslide.
Why bother sliding at all? lol
“boston dave-
the difference is that huff taunted joba looking right at him rounding first base. joba just does it without looking at opposing players. ”
——–
I agree… I just think Joba needs to swallow his pride and do whatever it takes to win this game. The Yankees have bigger fish to fry than the Orioles.
I agree with sJ44… get Huff back later this season.
Looks like Joba wussed out. He pitched around big bad Aubrey.
“wait, how does markakis walk but jones gets caught stealing what?”
Because in a BB there is no time out, you pass a bag it’s still in play.
“A break? those are the rules since little league”
guess you’re not getting the O’s feed. The ump could have easily called him safe due to it being ball four according to them
How can we win with Uehara on the mound?
97 ? on game day ?
oh ok
If Joba doesn’t want Huff fist-pumping, then he shouldn’t have given up the HR. If the O’s discussed this, that means they have problems with Joba – so do other teams. Joba and the Yankees will have to deal with it if he continues to do his fist pumps, spins, whatever – and I don’t blame the other teams either.
Huff doing his best to get Orioles fans to come back to life. The 2,000 or so that are left really hate it when Yankees & Red Sox fans take over their stadium.
“Looks like Joba wussed out. He pitched around big bad Aubrey”
can’t do it with a runner on first and less than two out
SJ I just read your tribute to your mom and it made me cry. I’m happy someone mentioned it because it makes me think about how many posts I end up missing because I don’t apparently go back far enough in the posts, even though I think I do!
My mother is the reason I love the Yankees. Joe Di was her favorite player. Her influence caused me to be the only Yankee fan in a household of Red Sox fans. There are six kids in my family and the thing I remember most is how my mother always used patience and love to guide us. And believe me, we were six wild indians!!! But her patience and love rubbed off on me and I at least bring it to my Yankee team!
By the way, I think Huff was a major league AH to do what he did. Jeter would never do anything like that. It was truly classless. However, I don’t think any retaliation is in order since Joba does fist pump. That doesn’t bother me either by the way but it obviously bothers others. We know that when Joba does it it is a release of emotion. He doesn’t do it all the time. But not everyone appreciates it I guess.
Oh well.
great 3-2 pitch there…
“guess you’re not getting the O’s feed. The ump could have easily called him safe due to it being ball four according to them”
He overpassed a bag sliding w/ no time out, those are the rules. IDK what O’s broadcast was talking about but since 34th precint ball I’ve known that. Heck in D.R. they throw at you if you do that.
i also think that if joba can’t throw any harder than 91mph, that the fist pump needs to be put on the shelf until he back up the exuberance.
he didn’t even pitch huff tough. just walked him. kudos to joba knowing he doesn’t have the stuff to go after huff, but he’s got to find his fastball or he’s not the joba we know.
“can’t do it with a runner on first and less than two out”
I wasn’t saying he should’ve hit him. I was saying he should’ve went right after him and struck him out (or even got him out at all). Instead, he was scared.
Yeah, but you can strike him out, lol.
I can’t believe he didn’t hit Huff, he’s no Clemens.
Just win THIS game.
Joba is a big boy and he can take what comes to him. I have no issues with his fist pumping or twirl, in fact as a fan it makes me happy cause it means he struck someone out.
plenty of pitchers show emotion and pump their fist… (k-rod, papelbon, etc)
If the Orioles ever start winning meaningful games, maybe they’ll know what it’s like.
Fran the original, if you’re still here. I had run over to my sister’s to see her new rug so wasn’t here for an inning and just saw your post.
My admonition about not getting all over Joba was more a statement of how things are done around here. Assumptions are made and the assumptions aren’t always correct. Especially when there is a possibility of an injury people should chill!
Nick Markakis wife is very attractive
This lineup is utter garbage. There is no other way to put it.
“great 3-2 pitch there…”
Cisco is impressing me how he’s working w/ Joba right now.
I doubt we win this game.
“By the way, I think Huff was a major league AH to do what he did. Jeter would never do anything like that. It was truly classless.”
huff is comfortable being a good player on bad teams.
i think that says it all about huff.
Joba would have looked like a hypocrite if he drilled Huff. If he feels that it’s not showing up opponents by doing his fist pump on the mound then he should have no problem with opponents doing fist pumps when they get the best of him.
Those Mother’s Day greetings from the players really choke me up. Inside of every tough guy is a little boy waiting to be hugged.
Dave from Boston, are you by yourself just cruising around the country and having fun?
“he’s no Clemens”
That’s right! Joba probably doesn’t even know MacNemee
Wow, thank god for Michael Kay. I didn’t realize I should say Happy Mother’s Day to my mom. What a lifesaver. Between his comments and Kim Jones questions, they redefine the name Captain Obvious.
Hey Trisha, still here. Got your point. By the way, saw your fantasy moves. Good luck! I had to re-arrange my roster this morning with Aramis Ramirez going on the DL.
can we stop with the popups already?
“I doubt we win this game”
down 2 in the fourth and your putting the game in the fridge?
WEAK!
“WE” might have to kick you off the team
Kay picks the wrong time to reveal those stories. Srsly it’s like he jinxes an AB.
Why couldn’t Kei Igawa be like this guy? Why does Cashman always seem to pick the wrong ones?
“I can’t believe he didn’t hit Huff, he’s no Clemens.”
Thank goodness he’s not a liar and a cheat!!
Is there one pitcher on our staff this season that you trust will go out there and give you a solid showing.
At this rate> 50 pitches in 3 innings, we’re into our “putrid” bullpen pretty soon.
C’mon Yankees- we need a really big inning/innings to salvage a win today!
why does 3-1 feel like 8-1? It’s like the Yankees start every inning with two outs these days.
Is two hits in a row too much to ask?
Seems the Yankees are pressing with runners on the base. Terrible ABs with runners on today
If the Yankees were facing Kei Igawa today, i have no doubt they would be gagging it up this like they are against this awful pitcher.
Melky actually putting together yet another solid at bat. Good for him.
What a pathetic excuse for a major league lineup this is. What a complete and utter JOKE.
Good at bats dont get it done. This team is all or nothing. When we hit, we don’t pitch. When we pitch, we don’t hit. Vomit-worthy.
“Nick Markakis wife is very attractive”
So is Nick Markakis!
This offense can never string together 3 or 4 basehits at a time. They don’t strike fear into opposing pitchers because as long as they don’t hit homeruns, they won’t score (and only a few hitters in the lineup are actual homerun threats.)
It’s commonly known in baseball that homeruns kill rallies. Once a pitcher gives up the long ball, he actually has time to regroup because there’s no runners on base anymore.
Where are the rallies where Melky, Jeter, Damon, and Tex all reach base all reach base consecutively? Where the Yankees get 4 or 5 hits in one inning? Other than that comeback against the Angels, I can’t recall a time when the Yankees had a big inning without hitting a 2 or 3-run shot.
“So is Nick Markakis!”
touche
Uehara, a Japanese league cast-off, confounding the Yankees yet again. Sad.
Still time though, they can win this game if they get their act together.
“Nick Markakis wife is very attractive”
Got nothing on Swisher’s girl, nothing.
Cant believe that were being shut down by a pitcher with a 86 mph fastball, but I gyess we are.
Guarnteed to be uttered in the postgame interview: “He made pitches when he had to,”" He kept us off balance,
trisha,
yep…. I have friends all along the Pacific Coast. I’ll be on my own once I start east until I get to Wisconsin but as long as you’re out doing things, you meet people.
I highly recommend it. If you have some time off, get out there and see the country
I’ll start seeing some ball games once I get to Seattle and then once I hit the Great Lakes states…
wth, y did he plunk him, so point him
Wait and see… Joba will implode now….
LOL jeter.
what did CC do after he ended his complete game with a strike out the other night?
FIST PUMP + Yelled very loud.. but noone said anything about that. i guess the Difference is about 20 million dollars
range at SS SUCKS !
Melky likes to show off his arm sometimes for no reason
This team is a complete mess. In every aspect.
“Why couldn’t Kei Igawa be like this guy? Why does Cashman always seem to pick the wrong ones?”
Because right after Cashman picks them they go from titan to light’un
Jeter couldn’t dive for that one huh? Fine, then I don’t want to see another replay of him diving into the stands against the Sox in July without showing him dog a play up the middle in May.
Reason #143 why Jeter should not be re-signed at SS after next year. He started the play up the middle and STILL didnt get to it.
The reason a 3-1 deficit feels like an 8-1 deficit is because it’s inevitable that Chamberlain will be gone after 5 innings and the bullpen will turn this game into a blowout.
I ask again, PETE: where is your name-calling to all the people who think Joba belongs in the pen? You have called those people idiots in the past. You look like the idiot today!
“what did CC do after he ended his complete game with a strike out the other night?
FIST PUMP + Yelled very loud.. but noone said anything about that. i guess the Difference is about 20 million dollars”
or CC just COMPLETED a four hit shutout
it is not the same as a first inning HR
not saying he would have had that one, but when is the last time Jeter dove for a ball?
needs a K
looks like the bottom of their lineup can actually have good at bats
Jeter is killing this team on defense
Up 1-2 on the #9 hitter…you’ve got to strike him out here.
Fire Michael Kay. he is anti- mentally challenged.
“The reason a 3-1 deficit feels like an 8-1 deficit is because it’s inevitable that Chamberlain will be gone after 5 innings and the bullpen will turn this game into a blowout.”
He won’t make it thru this inning!
whats goin on
In retrospect, they never should’ve allowed that no-sliding clause into Jeter’s contract.
just as good as a K
No-diving, I meant. Doh!
Seeing eye hits get through all infields, but when its the Yanks its “no range”.
Having a great arm is great Melky, but you have to use your head once in awhile. That was dumb.
Big AB here…can’t make it 5-1.
Boston D, are you driving as in did you take your car, or did you grab rentals along the line?
did anyone hear the Mario Brothers song at the stadium..thats funny
Darn, what’s wrong with this team?
Second and third, one out, and they can’t score?
Oh, wait, that was the Orioles.
“DonnieBaseball May 10th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
I ask again, PETE: where is your name-calling to all the people who think Joba belongs in the pen? You have called those people idiots in the past. You look like the idiot today!”
Yeah. Because not being able to get anyone out in the first inning he pitches is a GREAT quality for a RP to have. LOL
Donnie Baseball:
What does this game have to do with Joba being a reliever? He has allowed three runs through 3 2.2 innings If he goes seven and allows three runs, that’s a solid start.
He is having trouble getting ready and pitches poorly in the first inning so you want to put him in the bullpen? That wouldn’t seem to make much sense.
When you have a 23-year-old with four pitches who can throw 97, you give him every chance in the world to start. That’s basic baseball common sense.
Or I suppose all the coaches, Cashman and Joba are wrong and you’re right? Of course, you know better than they all do.
this may be a knee jerk reaction but no matter what the end result of this game, the last 10 game stretch has been embarressing, can Hal give Buck a call?
Donniebaseball give it a rest. If he couldn’t shut them down in inning one how do you think that makes him more qualified to do it inning one when he walks into the game.
comeon hitters, joba is battling out there, reward him
“He won’t make it thru this inning!”
good call
Remember when the Yankees used to destroy garbage pitchers? Looks like those days are long gone.
some more runs would be nice
Difference between Joba and Phil as pitchers right now.
Even though he’s not 100%, and is not pitching well, Joba is finding a way to get outs and keep his team in the game.
Similar fact pattern and Phil falls apart.
That’s why one guy has clubhouse cred and the other guy is still working on it.
Good pitchers find a way. Its another reason why this kid has to stay in the rotation.
I hope Jeter calls it a career after his contract is up, huge liability on defense and does anyone really want a LF in 2 years w/ absolutely no power? The roster needs to turn the page eventually
Can’t look at this team statistically on paper.
Scoring around 6 runs a game, but almost never when it counts or with RISP.
Fewer errors than most teams, but don’t reach a lot of potential should be outs.
The only thing statistically that is very evident, is that there is no one on this pitching staff, whom I trust to give us a solid outing. Putrid Pitching is killing us.
Seems like they haven’t destroyed a garbage pitcher in years. They are the masters of losing to guys they haven’t seen before or guys just brought up from the minors.
DonnieBaseball May 10th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
I ask again, PETE: where is your name-calling to all the people who think Joba belongs in the pen? You have called those people idiots in the past. You look like the idiot today!
*********************************************************
LOL.
Save us.
Another inning with the lead-off batter on. Let’s hope the Yanks can do some scoring here.
No, Pete. I actually don’t want him in the bullpen. I want him as a starter. But I can’t certainly understand the argument to be made for putting him the bullpen. He is a COMPLETELY different pitcher. And anybody that can’t see that is blind. Out of the bullpen, the guy threw absolutely gas and his slider was un-hittable. He doesn’t throw 97 consistently anymore.
Also, starting a game and coming out of the bullpen for one inning requires two completely different mindsets. THAT is simple baseball knowledge. I though you would know better then that.
I’m just calling you out for your hypocrisy with this situation. And you really think he is making through 7 ip? He’s at 75 right now and every inning is a struggle. We will be lucky to nurse him through 5 with only 3 er.
not saying he would have had that one, but when is the last time Jeter dove for a ball?
————————
Boston Dave,
We can add Cano to that list. Maybe we should fire the middle infield coach.
Okay I’m calling this a big inning for Yankee hitters.
Most that happens is I’m wrong!
SJ44- Agree Joba needs to stay in the rotation, since he has given up many of his runs in the 1st inning, a big no-no for the 8th inning guy.
I *can* certainly understand the argument.
trisha,
I got a bigger car back in August after I quit my job. It’s fairly comfortable for cross country driving. Gas prices went down just in time too. I’m hitting as many national parks as I can and just seeing as much as I can while I’m still young enough to be crazy enough to do all of this
“Seeing eye hits get through all infields, but when its the Yanks its “no range”
or more importantly when it is Jeter
I guess people want to see the captain retire as a Devil Ray. Jeter in his prime was never Ozzie Smith or Omar Visquel but I guess people long for the days of Spike Owen or Wayne Tollerson playing SS for the pinstripes
All they do is lose to pitchers with 7 ERA’s so they see a guy with a 5 ERA and they think it’s Bob Gibson. Why even show up?
Jeter has no choice but to work the count these days
I’m calling it now.
We need to let some of the old heads go.
jeter K’s on some 87 mph heat
The Yankees are never good against slop-throwers. Goes back a number of years.
If you can’t hit a 88 MPH fastball right down the middle how about this, RETIRE.
The ultimate team player, he felt a double play grounder coming up and had the decency to strike out.
“Boston Dave,
We can add Cano to that list. Maybe we should fire the middle infield coach.”
———
Cano gets to more balls than someone like Pedroia does. But Pedroia makes up for it by going after every ground ball like it’s the World Series.
It shouldn’t be too much to ask that players go 100%. Even if they don’t get the grounder, don’t ever say it was because they didn’t try. It might not apply to all cases, but there are plenty of balls I think Jeter could have knocked down or kept in the infield to keep guys from going 1st to 3rd, for example.
Also, about the fist pump…I don’t understand why people have a problem with it when it’s purely emotional.
As fans, our first instinct when the Yankees make a big play is to yell out loud, cheer, pump our fist, etc. Imagine if everytime something big happened we were told we just had to sit quietly in our seats and not show any emotion. Not only would that be hard to do, but it would make the game boring.
I see a lot of players pump their fist or yell out loud when they get a big hit to put their team ahead. It’s natural instinct. And Joba doesn’t do it after every K, just like players don’t yell after every hit. He only does it in big spots, like when there’s men on base and it ends the inning of a close game.
88 mph right down the middle… Thats unhiteble….. OMG JEter
“The ultimate team player, he felt a double play grounder coming up and had the decency to strike out.”
That’s Derek Jeter, the consummate professional. Team first!
“When you have a 23-year-old with four pitches who can throw 97, you give him every chance in the world to start.”
the problem is he throws 91.
if his velocity doesn’t come back soon there’s likely something physically wrong with joba.
this lack of velocity is a warning.
if the yankees don’t pay attention to it, then it’s on them if he’s disabled three to four weeks from now.
use your head folks- 91mph
something’s not right.
I saw Cano dive and make a play last night. Unfortunately we were down 8 runs or so at the time. But Cano usually doesn’t need to dive because he’s smoooooth.
Damon finishes what Jeter could not.
I hate this pathetic joke of a lineup.
“jeter K’s on some 87 mph heat”
——
not saying Uehara is great, but 87 is as effective as 97 when you can mix your speed and location.
pathetic
Way to go Yanks. Take it lying down.
Uehara just pumped his fist. Should the Yankees show him up this time?
“They are the masters of losing to guys they haven’t seen before or guys just brought up from the minors.”
yes, but even in the good years the Yankees would lose those games (except in 98 when they didn’t lose to anybody)
Saved the DP for Damon, and, that’s not something so see much of from him.
uehara just pumped his fist. that shouldnt be allowed! i dont understand, how is that allowed?
man the Yanks lineup is pathetic, its’ either Home Run or NO RUNS!!!!aghhhhhhhhhh
darn, late to the party.
Its very hard to tell if uehara is this good or if the yanks lineup is just not having good at bats. This guy looks better than dice-k and igawa combined the way the yanks are swinging against him.
THANK YOU Randy!
This is NOT the same pitcher that we had coming out of the bullpen. His fastball is average at best. His command is below average. He doesn’t scare anybody.
Absolutely pathetic….
Cervelli gets on, and the top of the lineup look like clows from the Moscow Circus academy
Huff should talk to Uehara in the dugout about how it’s illegal to pump his fist after a big play.
Ugh, Pedroia throws himself around like a rag doll because that’s what he is.
As far as giving up early runs, every starter is doing that this year.
Now, after 31 games, you either make the adjustment or find coaches who will.
At this point, since its every starter on the staff, its not on them.
The more and more you watch this team, the less and less confidence you have the people in charge can get the job done.
There is too much talent in that clubhouse, even with all the injuries, to be this bad.
Can we take some of the runs we scored yesterday and use them towards today’s game? This is frustrating.
There is no one involved with this franchise who isn’t incompetent or an underachiever.
“time for a fresh brewed cup of coffee” wb mason “who but” who likes it in the butt “the girl with the curl” or “the boy with the mini toy that provides me joy”
There’s a real shot Jeter doesn’t get to 3,000 hits. He’s on a Roberto Alomar like decline.
If the Yankees don’t resign him for 2011, I can’t see any other team picking him up. It’s sad. It really is.
“There is no one involved with this franchise who isn’t incompetent or an underachiever.”
I’m starting to think Francessa’s started to visit this blog…
BD, did you do some kind of triptik and get hotels ahead of time or did you just show up? I’m more a show up kind of guy. I don’t like having to be “somewhere” at a certain time. (I solved that problem in life by quitting my job!)
“Uehara just pumped his fist. Should the Yankees show him up this time?”
Emotional Outburst is not the same as premeditated
Can we take some of the runs we scored yesterday and use them towards today’s game? This is frustrating.
======================
SA- This is not AT&T. No rollover minutes.
Since when is a breaking ball pitcher a “garbage pitcher”? Would you like a list of such “garbage pitchers”, past and present that win a lot?
hey guys, ive got a stat that shows i know so much about baseball. 2 guys have farted while on the pitching mound and on home plate in the same game since 1902
SJ,
I hope that the Yanks come back and win this game. But if not, tomorrow is an off day. I have always heard that an off day is not a good thing for an underachieving coaching staff on a loosing streak. Do you think that anything could happen tomorrow?
looks like the Yanks are on their way to the cellar…they desperetly need a series win….and all those ‘well 2 years ago they were in last in May’ well 2 years ago the Rays sucked…this team needs to wake up now or Jeter is going to be watching Frank Caliendo commericals for the 2nd year in a row in October
Zach in Port Jeff May 10th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Can we take some of the runs we scored yesterday and use them towards today’s game? This is frustrating.
==================
SA- This is not AT&T. No rollover minutes.
==============================
Darn it
Joba’s WHIP is above 1.50.
Aubrey FISTED IT to short
To the person who wanted to contact me re: Magnetic Fields live recordings, just take the screen name from my flickr page and add @yahoo.com to it.
i guess michael kay knows exactly what joba is thinking. this loser. one michael kay leaves the yankees, the yankees will win again. please help to get michael kay fired.
Pete usually will ask the tougher questions from what I’ve seen on YES postgame, if the Yanks lose this ball game, I hope Pete throws some chin music at Joe, something like “Joe do you and the coaching staff take any responsibility for the lack of success early in the season?”
now that was a nice job of getting in huff’s kitchen.
he even got it up to 92mph.
he’s turning into a nice little junkballer:)
That pitch to Huff was the ultimate payback. Bust him inside hard on the hands and leave him with a fistful of bees.
Saved the DP for Damon, and, that’s not something so see much of from him.
————————–
Hmmm. Maybe he should be called out after the game for that.
Nick,
I seem to always see the grounders that sneak right under Canos glove where he could have dove for and prevented it going to the outfield. Im not saying he isnt a smooth player. I just think he has even more potential than we see.
screw firing joe girardi or the coaching staff, pander to the viewers and get us somebody that is able to be listened to.
mr ken singleton, oriole, for me for me for me for me, fill that column, its all about personal statistics for me
trisha,
I didn’t even know where I was going until I started going there. It’s the best way to go IMO. I’ve changed my course (slightly) based on recommendations I got from people I met the day before. I’ve camped quite a bit to keep things cheap and use priceline quite a bit for hotel rooms. I can often get a 3* for around $40 when I book the day before (depends on the city, of course).
i must have ticked him off –95mph
from “most” of the comments on this blog (including Mr. Abraham) you would think that it is September and the Yanks are 22 games under
it is 3-1 in the 5th inning against a team with a bullpen just as bad as the Yankees… RELAX PEOPLE!
@DonnieBaseball
How do you figure he’s not intimidating at all? He struck out 12 in 5.2 innings last time out. He has an ERA of under 3 as a starter. He’s hitting 97 while throwing 100 pitches. He’s 23 years old.
Give him some time to grow up before you call him a failure.
Reminder:
Clemens’s first year: 133 IP, 4.32 ERA, 93 ERA+
Johan’s first 2 years: 125 IP, 5.5 ERA, 88 ERA+
Sabathia’s first year: 180 IP, 4.39 ERA, 102 ERA+
Joba’s time as a starter: 88 IP, 2.85 ERA, 140 ERA+
“vb03 May 10th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
“There is no one involved with this franchise who isn’t incompetent or an underachiever.”
I’m starting to think Francessa’s started to visit this blog…”
Francesa is right. There is nothing about this franchise right now that isn’t an complete and utter failure.
False hustle dives on a play you can’t make doesn’t impress me in the least.
After almost 80 pitches, joba finally looked like he found his groove that last inning. Too bad, he is going to be out after 6.
its rather said, but id rahter listen to joe buck, or jon miller, peter redsoxholelicker gammons.
randy, you are definitely an acquired taste! (lol)
Joba needs to do a fist pump and soon. He can’t let the other team get in his head that way.
I come home to see the same old pathetic team that makes us fans the joke of baseball.. Can’t believe this crap!
Mike,
it even goes to the booth. everyone in our booth sans oneill maybe flash are incompetent. they dont even care bout game situations. they care more about food and stats from 1902
Not the best start but only allowing 3 runs should be decent enough to beat a weak pitcher and their bullpen. The issue is keeping them at 3. They have to find somewhere to string some hits toegther.
Yankees will tie this game up.
U-ee is around 90 pitches. He’ll get hit.
Joba is the king of no-decisions. He’ll leave with the scored tied 3-3.
I’m not really a clairvoyant, I just play one on TV.
LMAO. Nice AB’s losers.
Joba Chamberlain is a better pitcher than A.J. Burnett. Right now. At 23.
Stop saying he should be in the bullpen. It’s an absurd notion.
2 pitches, 2 outs, next up Roy Halladay, yeah!
“id rahter listen to joe buck”
That has to be a misprint
It’s somewhat strange that Matsui has so much trouble with Japanese pitchers.
Who’s up in the pen?
I’m sure we’ll be seeing Veras real soon.
2 quick outs, ughhhh I still can’t mad at AROD yet, he still needs more at bats
The problem with this team is that it has little confidence right now.
Hughes and Joba don’t have enough experience to KNOW they can turn things around after a bad start.
There are too many old players who must be thinking just maybe they are declining rather than “slumping” (Jeter, Rivera, Pettitte, even Arod with his hip).
Veras, Ramirez, and Albaladejo are too afraid to attack hitters.
The offense is terrible with RISP and with each bad AB there is more and more doubt that they’ll be able to come from behind.
What the Yankees need is one long winning streak where they do everything right and gain some confidence in their pitching AND hitting. The Red Sox don’t have more talented hitters than us, but I bet you they don’t even blink when they’re down by 3-4 runs because they’ve been there before and succeeded so many times.
More fist pumps from Uehara.
That was quick
the uehara keeps pumping his fist??
8 pitch innings for complete garbage. It’s almost beyond belief how PATHETIC this lineup is.
It’s somewhat strange that Matsui has so much trouble with Japanese pitchers.
==============================
GB, it’s out of respect.
Som fantastic AB right there… Wuuuuhhhhuuuuuu
this team can hit Beckett(excluding postseason) but not Uehara
This is all on un-motivational Joe G.. He either takes charge or has to go. Find someboy who can light a fire in this team because they don’t under him at all.
Yeah Michael Kay is horrible. We all know that.
I like Ken Singleton. I like Paul O’Neil. Leiter is boring and when Michael Kay, Flaherty and Leiter get in the booth together, it is awkward. Flaherty/Leiter clearly DESPISE him and the constant jabs are just uncomfortable.
“Not the best start but only allowing 3 runs should be decent enough to beat a weak pitcher”
———
Uehara has shown so far that he’s a decent pitcher. He has had just one bad start (@ Texas) out of 7 this season. He held the Sox to 2 runs on 5 hits over 7 and has done well against the Yankees twice now.
I’d suggest they start swinging at some first pitches.
Uehara has more of a Mariano fist pump. Nothing close to Jobas.
boston dave-
i’ve had good luck in florida in spring training traveling around using hotwire each day.
ypu’ve got to do highway one from santa cruz to santa barbara and hit big sur.
yosemite is amazing. hiking into the grand canyon is very cool.
though i’m not sure that a yankee fan should be around so many high places. we don’t want any thelma and louises
Is it just me…or does Brett Gardner kinda look like Kenny Chesney?
brian in 702,
joe buck doesnt hide his hatred for the yanks, or his love of the sox.
michael kay phonies around as a Yankees homer, works for eSPN bashing us all day on espn radio, and cant provide a single positive thing to YES broadcasts, and then attacks our own players emotions and defends other teams players. Jerry Remy and Don orsillo would never do that.
Uehara needs to stop pumping his fist too! I know its going to seem like a generalization but that “showy” stuff is not the Japanese way!
They are about to lose 6 out of 7 in the division. They need to fire everyone.
Even when the pitching isn’t great, it usually comes down to this joke of an offense not executing at all.
How about you pick up your pitchers once in a while? You score no runs since the first when he actually settles in and keeps you in the game.
The pitcher has to practically throw a shutout to have any hope of winning the game with this offense. Of course if he has to do that, he will nibble more and give up more runs. It’s a cycle that’s all perpetuated by this pathetic offense.
When the pitcher goes out there and gives up 4 runs in 5 innings you have to pick him up once in a while. Even now 5-6 IP 3 ER is a VERY winnable game, but they have done absolutely NOTHING at the plate YET AGAIN.
And that folks is the difference between the Yankees and Red Sox.
The heart of the Yankees lineup
goes down meekly in a late and close situation.
The Red Sox treat every at bat like a holy war.
Awful. Simply awful.
Randy,
The Orioles gun has him consistently at 94-95 after the first inning and he has bad thumb.
His problem isn’t the issue of starting or relieving. That train has left the yard.
His problem is, twofold:
1. Nobody on this can currently get starting pitchers ready the right way so they are ready to start the game. If they could, changes would have been made already.
2. He should be pitching today. Period. Taking one for the team is one thing. Let the vets to that. Not this kid.
He looked at his finger 8 times in the first inning. Nobody is going to tell me he wasn’t thinking about it.
Every move on this team is made in a panic recently and clear thinking seems to be out the window.
If one was to rate the powers that be on an approval rating system, their popularity would be at an all-time low right now.
“It’s somewhat strange that Matsui has so much trouble with Japanese pitchers”
They have the dirt on his paper wife. No one wants to see their in-laws turned into origami.
Why not save Aceves for you know a long my situation. Jesus man I don’t know about Joe G sometimes.
Can’t fire Joe G. He’s the star of the “Joe Girardi Show”.
“Is it just me…or does Brett Gardner kinda look like Kenny Chesney?”
——————————————————-
If Kenny Chesney has an abnormally large head, then yes! At least Kenny has a nice mane of hair to cover it up.
Mike May 10th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
LMAO. Nice AB’s losers.
Mike May 10th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
8 pitch innings for complete garbage. It’s almost beyond belief how PATHETIC this lineup is.
Mike May 10th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
They are about to lose 6 out of 7 in the division. They need to fire everyone.
*******************************************************
What constructive ways to support the team you’re a fan of.
yankees have to find a way to score some runs…1 run against uehara just isnt acceptable
Zach in Port Jeff
May 10th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
It’s somewhat strange that Matsui has so much trouble with Japanese pitchers.
==========================
GB, it’s out of respect.
————————————————————
Maybe so, but, I was just noticing how enemic that 4 for 22 and 2 RBIs were.
brett gardner looks like the spawn of michael kay, a loser.
“thats your coors light freeze frame, freeze it, RIGHT THERE!”
does anyone think that Kay sounds like a pervert. I bet he is a closet pedophile and helped Brett Pedroia in his sickening ventures.
“Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing May 10th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
What constructive ways to support the team you’re a fan of.”
Shut up. Supporting your team means living in the world of reality and recognizing when they are playing like utter dogcrap.
Nobody on this STAFF.
He SHOULDN’T be pitching today.
Sorry for the typos.
Its not about results, its about the risk vs. the result.
I don’t think the risk outweighs the result, even though everybody will say, “the thumb wasn’t an issue”.
3 runs over 6 innings is a quality start, isn’t it? Today’s woeful game is on the offensive offense getting owned by Cy Uehara.
Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing ,
You’re obviously a red sox fan. Try reaching 26 buddy.
On another note, our team has the talent, but act like losers, its been this way for years and somebody needs to help them realize it and change it.
FMK,
just be thankful that you aren’t getting the O’s feed
Jim Palmer is even more annoying than he was in the 80′s calling the games for ABC.
also, Red Sox fans think the exact opposite about Buck. They think he is biased TOWARDS the Yankees.
I guess I can draw parallels between Brett Gardner and Michael Kay.
Two larges heads and they both stink at what they do.
It is unfair to dislike Brett as much as Michael Kay though.
It would be interesting to see this Yankee lineup facing Kei Igawa. I wager it would be something like 8 IP 2 ER 6 K for The Beaver.
Whatever Mike. You sound like a four year old throwing a tantrum. I’ll pass if that’s how “fan realism” is supposed to be expressed.
Pete, a bit misleading on Uehara there, no?
Counting today, his ER allowed per start:
1
7
2
2
3
3
1
Other than one bad start, he has been pretty good.
“i like cha cha…i like chica too”
SJ,
Great tribute to your Mom. She sounds like a wonderful lady. I lost mine a few years ago as well and think about her every single day. My three year old baby girl only met her once, but she carries a picture of her around the house and talks to her every day. I am happy that she will remember her grandma even though she was about four months old when she met her. I don’t agree with Michael Kay much, but he said it right when he advised viewers to go tell their Moms thanks for all that they do.
“Scorpio
May 10th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Can’t fire Joe G. He’s the star of the “Joe Girardi Show”.
”
The WB Mason Buck Showalter Show!
Angel.. Reality sucks.. Just like the team does right now.. No sugar-coating the team right now! I’m just glad I don’t pay good money to see this garbage. So painful being a Yankee fan. This happens year after year after year. They keep this up and they will have to climb 3 or possibly 4 teams in this division. No need for this. They are professionals that get paid alot of cash to perform.
angel, think your sox will ever get 26????
@ Fire Michael Kay
Let it go, dude. Did Kay sleep with your girlfriend or something. Geez.
You are right Brian. Red Sox fans think Buck is in love with Derek Jeter
rconn23, is Ortiz part of that middle of the lineup you were talking about?
“They have the dirt on his paper wife. No one wants to see their in-laws turned into origami.”
I laughed so hard I cried!!!!
Mike,
Go play in traffic or go spend time with your Mother on Mother’s Day.
The blog isn’t a place for you to get your psycho groove on.
Here’s a novel suggestion. Don’t like what you see, shut off the TV and don’t watch it.
Telling a good poster like Angel to “shut up” because he is tired of your emotional ramblings isn’t gonna get it done.
Yeah, I’m a red sox fan.
/end derive snort.
97 mph curveball
sj
i’m puzzled that gameday has him at 91 mostly, but he did jump up this inning.
he did that last game to.
it’s great he’s throwing 95 in the 5th , but there’s no reason why he’s not in the first few innings unless something’s wrong.
it could be the way he’s warming up.
i don’t think he’s throwing 91mph on purpose as was said early in the season.
i’m guessing something is wrong in the sense of weakness somewhere.
the fact he can get hitters out with 5mph missing is a testament to him having 4 plus pitches.
this is going to be a head scratcher for a while.
i want to see 93-94 at minimum with joba.
Despite all the complaints about Joba, he has been very good for a #5 starter. An average of 5-6 innings with a 3.90 ERA is as much as anyone could have expected from him at this point.
We just haven’t scored many runs for him, which is a shame because he’s actually been one of our best pitchers.
joba did what hughes couldnt do
didnt have his best stuff but limited the damage
Brian in 702,
I know that’s what sox fans think about Buck, but sox fans carry a chip on their shoulders like theyre disrespected and are owed something. they act like the teams. the teams of boston think theyre disrespected too, they probably think gammons is a yankees fan.
Jobber is the least of our problems
The offense sucks, however. When we hit, we don’t pitch. When we pitch, we don’t hit.
mor?i?bund
–adjective
1. in a dying state; near death.
2. on the verge of extinction or termination.
3. not progressing or advancing; stagnant: a moribund political party.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moribund
Pete is trying to qualify for Bill-O’s word of the day
Walker is another slop thrower, which is bad news for the Yankees.
Thanks SJ.
I get and understand venting. I just don’t understand that particular brand of fandom. When your brand of fandom is easily mistaken for hatred, then – and maybe its just me, but I’d rethink how I was expressing myself.
I’m a she, btw.
If the Yanks can come back, they’ll take 2 out of 3 in B’More. That’s acceptable.
Doesn’t look good now – but it’s only 2 runs.
Walk, bloop and a blast.
Well thats the only way they can score. Solo homers.
Uh oh 1 run game
Cano smashed that piece of slop from Walker. Good for him.
We need Hank to come in the dugout and chew these guys out after the game. Let them know that this lackadaisical type of play will not be tolerated
“The WB Mason Buck Showalter Show!”
I’m for it. I like Buck, been appreciating his analysis on ESPN.
Robby’s back!
robbie!!!
Angel is a Yankee fan.
He, like most of the regulars in here see nothing novel in saying “They suck the season is over”, 200-300 times a game in the game thread.
If they indeed “suck” and the season is “over” at least in some of your minds, just think, you have FIVE free months to do something else.
Spending your time in here writing gibberish is really not the best way to spend your newfound time.
EVERYBODY is frustrated with what they are saying. Some, just have different ways of expressing themselves.
Try it sometime. You will actually feel better.
A 3-2 game in the 7th inning is not a bad place to be right now.
If you can’t figure that out, you need to learn a little more about baseball.
dan,
Michael Kay has slept with many people’s children. that’s what i have a problem with.
Seriously, every boston team has their own biased commentators and the viewers wouldnt stand for listening to a rat phony like michael kay. he works for espn, thats all that has to be said.
I totally called a Robinson Cano home run!!! Too bad he didnt pump his fist like I told him to.
where are the clowns that put this game in the fridge in the 4th inning?
Lefty on lefty. I’ll take it.
I’m waiting for the whiners to complain how he didnt do it with men on base.
A run!
Nice job Cano!
I still wish this team could score by rallying together hits instead of just solo shots.
Does this team have more solo HRs than it does singles or doubles?
They can’t score unless they hit HRs. Frustrating.
Enjoy the rest of the game, folks. If you have some Mothers Day love left in your bones, remember to show it!
See ya!
Why couldn’t Cano do that with some guys on base?
Solo HRs do nothing for us right now
“I’m waiting for the whiners to complain how he didnt do it with men on base.”
They only score on home runs! That’s evil!
“Solo HRs do nothing for us right now”
Yes, other than putting up one more run and cut the deficit in half, doesn’t do much, I guess.
“I’m for it. I like Buck, been appreciating his analysis on ESPN”
yes, and fire cash and replace him with Steve Phillips!
hopefully, the sarcasm comes through
Manufacturing runs is more a team concept than solo HR, but when you look at the K’s and BA througout the lineup it’s pretty bad.. Joba has redeemed himself, but it is alarming how he comes out of the gate!
I just noticed your 3:01 update. You are so in love with Brett Gardner it is disgusting! Brett Gardner is NOT a good outfielder. He takes bad routes to the ball AND has a horrible arm. At least Melky has something.
Get over it, you boy toy lost his job!
Fire Michael Kay – are you looking to get banned? Go take your claims elsewhere dude.
angel,
ive never said our game is over, our season is over, or anything like that.
I vent because it’s not like we have biased commentators in favor of our team. these losers care more about the other team and wat the other team can do to better itself. michael kay is clearly a yankee hater. listening to him gives me severe chest pains, and ive tried watching on mute, but it’s just not doable.
I have noticed a couple of times today that when Uehara has gotten a big out to end an inning that he does a little fist pump. Guess it’s okay for him. That move by Huff was classless and I’m sure he has lost a lot of respect around the league once that clip gets out. Totally gutless and classless. If anyone doesn’t understand the difference between what he did and what Joba does, then they don’t understand baseball.
Ah, gotcha Angel! My bad! lol
Randy,
The Gameday velocity readings have been off all year.
He was throwing Mid-90′s thru most of the game. Even in the first inning, he got a few pitches in the Mid-90s’.
His velocity is fine. He has no feel for the slider and his breaking pitches today because of his thumb.
He’s getting outs strictly on guile today. Pretty amazing for a 23 year old, when you think about it.
“SJ44 May 10th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
A 3-2 game in the 7th inning is not a bad place to be right now.
If you can’t figure that out, you need to learn a little more about baseball.”
Yeah lets make excuses for an offense that has done NOTHING against a garbage pitcher for 6 innings and a pitcher who can’t get out of the first inning.
wow a catcher who can get an infield single..
Cervelli’s got pretty good speed.
Nice hsutle by the Cisco Kid.
dt,
it was a joke,
thats why i said seriously underneath.
Hughes could learn a thing or two by watching Joba
The kid shouldn’t have even been out there today and he gutted out a quality start. Of course, that isin’t good enough for the Mike Francessa’s of the world
Molina would have been out. Cervelli runs well for a catcher.
Cervelli the leopard.
randy,
I stopped by the Grand Canyon in October… not too shabby. I just came from SoCal, hit Yosemite, and am on my way up the Pacific Coast. I’ll be back in Boston in a month or so… not sure if that’s a good thing or not
Steve Phillips is a baffoon but Showalter knows his stuff. Why is sarcasm necessary?
Classic case of overmanaging by Trembly.
Jaime Walker can’t get out Francisco Cervelli?
The strategy may work eventually but, that move made no sense to me.
He could save Johnson for the 8th inning.
Crazy.
If every Yankee starts giving the effort Cervelli just did, they’ll be in good shape.
And an infield single for the old man!
that 3:01 update is ridiculous.Be objective pete.
Melky is doing a very good job in CF
Damon a lefty hitting away or bunt?
“Yeah lets make excuses for an offense that has done NOTHING against a garbage pitcher for 6 innings and a pitcher who can’t get out of the first inning.”
The “garbage” pitcher is a slop thrower. The Yankees haven’t hit those types for years.
And unless some other Joba Chamberlain was pitching the 2nd-6th innings, I think he must have gotten out of the 1st.
Can Johnny do the 3 run mash again?? Please Johnny!!
SJ – Let’s not argue with these types, they’re not worth the aggravation.
tim sherman,
he’ll gain respect around baseball for showing up us.the people that dont understand the difference should go jump off the ledge, theyre trolls.
“Yeah lets make excuses for an offense that has done NOTHING against a garbage pitcher”
——-
how well did the Sox do against this “garbage” pitcher?
So Damon…you’re young pitcher found a way to limit the damage and keep the team in the game. Now’s your chance to back him up..
Wow bs strike call
Terrible call on the 3-1 pitch.
Damon!!!
I LOVE YOU DAMON!!!!!
I LOVE YOU DAMON!!!!!
Wooooooooooooooooooooo HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
WOW.
speechless.
Johnny Damon is the only Yankee who showed up to play this season. Good for Johnny.
Damon talks the talk….
and he walks the WALK!!!
Yeah baby!!!
Nice job managing.
Damon has been carrying this team. Blistering.
YEAH!!!!!!! That’s why Johnny can spout off at teammates who underacheive!
Ye of little faith.
JOHNNY DAMON CAN SAY WHATEVER HE DAMN WELL PLEASES!!!
WOO HOO!!!!!
johnny!!!!!!!!!!
Who cares how well the Sox did against thie scrub. That’s a losers mentality.
Johnny Damon! Most clutch Yankee this year! In fact, ONLY clutch Yankee this year.
Woohooo Johnny!
ON THE SPOT!!!!!!!!!!
Damon is the only player on this team that knows how to win games.
damon!!!!!!he speaks with his bat!
I just love it when people put games in the fridge in the fourth inning.
Like I said, bad strategy and it bit Trembley in the butt.
Now, can this bullpen get 9 outs?
“Can Johnny do the 3 run mash again?? Please Johnny!!”
Told ya so !!!!
yaaaaaaaaaaaaaa,
and he didnt pump his fist, because our guys have class, joba never shows up anyone with his fist pump.
Damon should DH next year as long as Posada’s still able to catch.
I doubt they re-sign Matsui with his questionable health.
an inning of ultimate extremes. 2 infield hits and two home runs.
Hold your breath…here come the fire starters!
…………..now who pitches the 7th and 8th…? coke?
Bunt with 2 outs?? How stupid of me not to know how many outs. Go for the homer!
Yeah Damon should keep quiet!!!!
Great job by Cervelli hustling that out.
ps…so surprised to see Tex habitually struggling with the offspeed stuff.
Johnny Damon…Early season MVP candidate.
“Who cares how well the Sox did against thie scrub. That’s a losers mentality. ”
———
Ok, then I’ll go on the fact that he’s thrown 6 quality starts of his 7 starts. Teams may figure him out over time, but he’s done nothing so far to indicate he’s garbage or a scrub.
Talking out of your ass is a losers mentality. Do some research next time.
The O’s must be so peeved right now. 2 weak groundballs with 2 outs set up that blast.
Now, can this bullpen get 9 outs?
===================================
Fingers and toes crossed that they can. Gulp
“Now, can this bullpen get 9 outs?”
That’s the 64,000 dollar question.
Damon can call out whoever the hell he wants, he’s been the man for this team in the early going.
This team is terrible. No life. No passion. blah blah blah
What is wrong with Damon? No fist pump rounding the bases?
Still 3 innings for the bullpen and a not 100% Mariano.
Time to pray
I would keep Joba out there
Roger(the new amsterdam yankees ),
Peter is about as objective with Melky Cabrera/Brett Gardner as he is with Alex Rodriguez.
let’s not forget….
it was Cervelli’s great hustle play that created that.
Tex is still Tex though..
I think it’s pretty safe to say that the one player on the team I’d want up with the game on the line right now is Damon.
He doesn’t tense up and lose his cool. I hope some of the other guys on the roster can learn something from him.
Don’t discount Cano’s solo shot that inning and really don’t discount Cervelli’s hustle to first.
This team was in a coma until those 2 things happened.
Mike,
You win the award today for the Most Panicked, 10 year Old on the blog”.
E-Mail Pete and he will send you an autographed photo of Nancy Kerrigan crying “Why” after Tonya Harding clubbed her.
Only Nancy has cried more than you have today.
How’s that workin’ for ya now?
“Great job by Cervelli hustling that out.”
Fantastic point. Forgot all about that.
that inning doesn’t happen without Cervelli’s hustle. maybe he’ll provide them with some energy for a few weeks and get things turned around
lets not act like we won the game here
top of the order vs. our bullpen ahhhhh
these orioles announcers are going to drive me crazy, and those stupid oriole moment commercials
if the yankee lead holds up , mr huff is going to be looking pretty stupid on sports center tonight.
I think Damon feeds off of his teammates. Cano’s solo shot and Cervelli’s hustle juiced him up for the at bat.
our team just came bakc, there is no reason to have veras up in the bullpen unless you want to lose
Maybe the Yankees should consider going after Bay this offseason. It’s like the Red Sox sprinkle magic dust on all their players that turn them into superstars in the clutch.
Do I have time to run to CVS and get some Pepto Bismol before Veras comes in?
My stash from the Farnsworth era seems to have expired.
Who knew that Pepto expires?
Speed. We should get someone with speed. Let Damon dh.
“Maybe the Yankees should consider going after Bay this offseason.”
——
IMO, Bay deserves more $$ than Holliday.
Bay would be wise to test the market (if he’s most concerned with maximizing $$, that is)
strikes Coke
I didnt know Cevelli was a decent baserunner.
I don’t know if its speed, but he hustles and runs everything out.
I hope the Yanks go after Bay only to drive up the price for the Red Sox.
I don’t want him. He’ll be on the wrong side of 30 soon enough…but I want the Red Sox to pay through their noses for him and stop getting these “we’re the Red Sox” discounts from players.
If Cashman is still the GM I hope he can take a page out of Theo’s book and drive Bay’s cost up.
Would not be surprised if Girardi’s intent is to get more than 3 outs from Coke, especially with the off-day tomorrow. You get the feeling this is a must-win game with the team facing Halladay on Tuesday.
An outfield of Crawford Jackson Swisher would be nice. I know the Rays might pick up his option though.
Boras is gonna want 4-5 yrs minimum for Bay, and considering there is not much out there besides Holliday, they will both get huge contracts (14-16 mill? just estimating). Bay is also an anomaly because the Sox get to hide him in left field at Fenway.
Bay will stay with the Sox for cheaper than market, you can bank on it.
Finally someone that can get Pacman Jones out.
I cheated and watched JD’s homer with my car keys in my hand before racing out the door in a much better mood.
That was great! Sorry, mom, I’m going to be a few minutes late!
“I didnt know Cevelli was a decent baserunner.
I don’t know if its speed, but he hustles and runs everything out.”
You need to start attend the Cervelli Truthers meetings!
We talked about that right after we played the Italian and Venezuelan national anthems.
“hold on for dear life” = Jose Veras; sad to say.
Either Coke is it for the 8th, or I’d think about Aceves. He needs to get some work, also. Tomorrow’s an off day.
“there is only one man in major league history since 1938 to have the name coke and like pepsi over coke.”
run coke out for the 8th too
lets get some more runs
They can’t have damon DH. They need that spot for Posada…
Well done Coke
A 1-2-3 inning from the bullpen. Seems like ages since the Yankees have had that.
Zach in Port Jeff, please don’t dump on Veras. He’s had some good innings for the Yankees.
At least today let’s show some compassion toward every Yankee player. It’s Mother’s Day. They all have mothers who love their sons. Be kind.
Thank you.
This message brought to you by Trisha of the Latter Day Saints.
Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
May 10th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
I didnt know Cevelli was a decent baserunner.
I don’t know if its speed, but he hustles and runs everything out.
————————————————————
Being a 23 year old catcher usually makes them faster than mid-to-late 30s catchers….unless your last name is Molina. The Molinas were born with a catcher’s mitt and the speed of a glacier.
Good job by Coke. I certainly hope that Veras is not pitching the 8th inning.
Nice job, Coke. He’ll definitely start the next inning.
Nice job, Coke. He’ll definitely start the next inning.
LOL. There are Cervelli Truther meetings now? Alrighty!
I guess the Posada/Molina ones are on hold while they’re on the DL.
You need to start attend the Cervelli Truthers meetings!
====================
I think they are held weekly at Brandon’s place.
Heh heh, sorry Brandon.
I do agree with you though, the kid has looked extremely comfortable behind the dish.
“Bay is also an anomaly because the Sox get to hide him in left field at Fenway.”
——–
aside from the HR off Mariano, I think every one of his HR has been off a 4-seam fastball down the middle.
While he’s clearly a talented player, teams need to stop falling behind him in the count and being forced to throw straight fastballs to him.
I am convinced that Coke has ice water in his veins. Anyone think he could be groomed as an eventual closer?
Phil Coke doing his job.
Now is the time for tack on runs.
A couple of runs here makes the 8th and 9th innings much easier for a struggling bullpen.
G. Love – Oh, I don’t think there will be any home town discounts for the Red Sox. Scott Boras is his agent, no?
So does this mean Veras for the 8th?
The guy with the highest ERA on the team is likely our 8th inning man. Makes sense.
LOL @ the speed of a glacier, GB7. Isn’t that the truth?
“The Molinas were born with a catcher’s mitt and the speed of a glacier.”
That tickled me, lol.
I wish Jeter could make that play.
Coke just goes out there and attacks. Throws strikes and locates well. Even that HR to Pena was a good pitch.
Trisha, I just saw your post after I made mine!
if they get some more runs is it then OK to throw at Huff?
“I wish Jeter could make that play.”
I thought the same thing when I saw that. That would be past a diving Jeter (PADJ) into center field.
Re: Damon….
That’s why he has the cred to open his mouth. He backs it up.
If more guys played with his intensity on a day to day basis, the results would be much better.
That guy can play on my team any day of the week.
IMO, they should re-sign him this off-season. He can still play.
Phil Coke. A reliever who attacks hitters. What a novel concept.
The home run to Pena was a blip on the radar screen. He challenged the leading home run hitter in baseball and lost. So what.
Coke is the only dependable reliever, other than Mo, on the
team.
if veras comes in the 8th girardi needs to be fired. Before he even gets to throw a pitch
Zach in Port Jeff, please don’t dump on Veras. He’s had some good innings for the Yankees.
========================
Too late Trisha. Already purchased the Pepto.
I cant let it go to waste.
I’m gonna line up some shots of Pepto and take one each time Veras throws a ball.
alex is fine, matsui just threw away another ab, “at this point last year, matsui had thrown away only 12 atbats, this year he has 39 thrown away atbats”
Coke did his job.. Wish they could have used him in the 8th, but there’s no one reliable until Bruney comes back. Joba kept us in the game. Something he should be talking to Hughes about.
“I am convinced that Coke has ice water in his veins. Anyone think he could be groomed as an eventual closer?”
Usually Coke is a chaser. It’ only a closer near last call.
You could see Swisher getting ready to scream in pain.
The Swisher love-mania is slowly but surely turning sour with every K.
Joe from LI,
Bay is a Boras client, but it seems the Red Sox have a way of shaming their players into taking less for the good of the team and town otherwise they bad mouth them as greedy over the hill vets trying to cash in and steal money from the poor bootstrap Red Sox.
I think that’s all going to change though. I don’t see Papelbon or Beckett taking less when their time comes.
Come back soon Nady
The Swisher magic has definately run its course. Another 3-K game for him.
“IMO, they should re-sign him this off-season. He can still play.”
——–
I agree. Fans are already willing to cast him away but if they could possibly sign him for 1-2 years it’s a no brainer IMO.
If he keeps playing like an MVP though, he might command a 4-5 year deal
Damon would come back to NY on a one year deal. That’s the way to go.
They can’t tie up another position with an 80-100 million dollar contract.
Bay and Holliday are both not worth the money each will get in free agency.
Gotta have better roster flexibility.
damon out of free agency in fantasy baseball will be my best move all season I think – when was the last time he led a team in homers??? He is just on FIRE.
Why is coke the only person that throws strikes out of our pen?
Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
May 10th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
LOL @ the speed of a glacier, GB7. Isn’t that the truth?
————————————————————
The three brothers have about four infield hits between them…in their careers.
Not sure of that, but, I’ll look it up and let you know. I know that I’m in the neighborhood.
Joe Girardi using his brain?
Bay is worth 80 million easily. He is an elite hitter even if Cashman didn’t know that when he showed how inept he is by trading for Nady instead of him.
What is Veras doing warming up? I hope it’s Mo for the 9th, and Veras is only warming up in case Coke falters (not that I’m happy about that, either).
“The Molinas were born with a catcher’s mitt and the speed of a glacier.”
That’s why Alfred Molina looks a little funny as Dr. Octavius. Who knew he had 8 catcher’s mitts?
I wont be surprised if Bay ends up in Seattle. He’s having fun in Boston now, but that wont last forever. He’s a very good player…but a small town guy.
the way michael kay says coke, im pretty sure michael kay is a cokesucker.
Damon should be year to year if they do re-sign him. He’s going to be 35 or 36 in July. Bad knees, no arm = bad contract for Yankees.
Phil Coke rules.
Yay coke
G Love,
c’mon you didn’t know?
BOSTON is a small market, lol
Hi, did damon say something against the team? please fill me in.
Hi, did damon say something against the team? please fill me in.
Coke for 8th inning duty until Bruney gets back.
wiggington may be slower then the molinas
Great job by Coke
Great 2 innings from Coke.. Showed us something today!
CokkUH – Micheal Kay
It wouldn’t surprise me. Good thing they were born with catcher’s mitts – they had no chance to be Olympic sprinters – or even marathon runners, lol.
Nice jobe by Phil. Very nice. It helps the team, as well as my gastric lining.
HELL YEA – I agree with girardi right now. Coke is THE ONLY person in the pen that is trustworthy and that includes Mo. Of course, Mo will probably pitch the ninth anyway unless we score again but even mo isnt a given right now.
I’m fine with bringing Damon back on a 1 year deal.
The problem I see next season is I think the team is going to have 2 catchers next season and neither of them will be Posada.
I think Posada is proving he can’t stay healthy as a catcher and for the Yankees to get any semblance of a return on their investment in him, it’s probably as a DH which is where I see him starting next season.
Damon is going to have to play the field to get his at bats next year.
I agree with SJ on passing on Bay/Holliday for LF. It’ll be too many years on guys who are hitting their 30′s.
great job by coke those last 2 innings. its a shame that michael kay has to be heard pronouncing his name over and over.
Mike,
the Sawx gave up Manny in the Bay deal
the Yanks gave up Ross Ohlendorf and a bag of balls to get Nady
but Cashman sucks
Girardi rolled the dice there and won.
He has no confidence in any of the righties, particularly Veras, in the pen.
So, he gambles and extends Coke 2 innings and to 2 RH hitters (Mora and Wiggington) who sit on anything hard middle in, and the DP saved him.
Also, little things again that win games…..Cano’s rocket for an arm turns that DP.
Both Jeter and Cano had trouble handling the ball but, Cano’s arm was strong enough to still turn the DP.
Not a lot of 2B have enough arm strength to turn that play after both guys bobbled the ball.
Tick on runs would be nice but, 2 run lead, Mo on the mound, bottom of the Orioles order coming up, they have to win this game now.
Nice job today Coke!
C’MON MO RIVERA!!! CLOSE IT OUT
“I wont be surprised if Bay ends up in Seattle. He’s having fun in Boston now, but that wont last forever. He’s a very good player…but a small town guy.”
——-
possibly. The Boston fans, naturally, LOVE the guys.
However, he hasn’t really slumped once since he got there. If he gets in a funk and feels some pressure, things could change.
michael kay, the cokkuhsucka
Oh wow Fire Michael Kay. You are gonna get banned
FMK,
on your TV remote there is something called a mute button. It turns the sound off on the TV
Yeah Pete, sure you weren’t trying to make that joke.
However, he hasn’t really slumped once since he got there. If he gets in a funk and feels some pressure, things could change.
=========================
Exactly.
What the Yankees really need this year is a great draft by Cashman.
With a great promising draft, the organization can trade some of the young pitching talent for another organizations positional talent.
We could get a young-ish OF for some of the arms in the minors if Cashman has a great draft pitching wise.
Drafting well this year will help take care of some of the 40 man roster issues we have right now.
It’ll make some guys expendable in trades.
“Brian in 702 May 10th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Mike,
the Sawx gave up Manny in the Bay deal
the Yanks gave up Ross Ohlendorf and a bag of balls to get Nady
but Cashman sucks”
Manny didn’t go to the Pirates did he?
Look at the players the PIRATES got in that trade. The Yankees could’ve EASILY matched that package and Cashman choose to get Nady over Bay which was about as dumb as it gets.
G Love,
Tex is also a Boras client and he didn’t take a paycut to go to the Sox and the Sox are still ticked at Boras over that.
Its also why they didn’t do an extension for Bay in ST.
You know Scott is going to ramp up the $$$ bigtime in the off-season.
He’s a good, not great player. Frankly, he isn’t as good a player as Teixeira regardless of what their current stats indicate.
The Sox should have done a deal with him in ST. Now, it will cost them a lot more money.
Melky with a double.
Somewhere melkyisgod is smiling
Damon should absolutely be back
Short term deals are the way to go. No way he should hand out big bucks to Holliday or Bay.
A clutch performer and the sparkplug of our lineup who has thrived in NY and is the clubhouse public voice for a 1 yr deal is a no brainer
What are they doing?
come on ken, for me for me for me for me ken singleton, cervelli could have filled the rbi column, fill that column.
Fire MK – I have a feeling you must be the funniest dude in your entire 4th grade class.
Smart Orioles.
Interesting strategy. Walking Jeter to get to Damon.
“G. Love May 10th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
What the Yankees really need this year is a great draft by Cashman.
With a great promising draft, the organization can trade some of the young pitching talent for another organizations positional talent.
We could get a young-ish OF for some of the arms in the minors if Cashman has a great draft pitching wise.
Drafting well this year will help take care of some of the 40 man roster issues we have right now.
It’ll make some guys expendable in trades.”
They don’t have that many picks this year…
Molina infield hits
Jose – 28 -1481 At Bats
Bengie – 42 – 4048 At Bats
Yadier – 35 – 1830 At Bats
Jose has the fewest at bats, so he must be the family speed burner.
wow – this is one of the dumbest moves Ive ever seen. Damon is one of the hottest hitters in all of baseball right now.
“The Sox should have done a deal with him in ST. Now, it will cost them a lot more money.”
They’ll just plug some scrub at the spot and the guy would become the clutchiest player ever. Case in point = Nick Green.
Melky with a double.
Somewhere melkyisgod is smiling
=====================
LOFL!
it looks as if william shatner is trying to overmanage a la joe girardi.
“G Love,
Tex is also a Boras client and he didn’t take a paycut to go to the Sox and the Sox are still ticked at Boras over that.
Its also why they didn’t do an extension for Bay in ST.
You know Scott is going to ramp up the $$$ bigtime in the off-season.”
If only Bay was a Boras client.. He’s not.
He’s a good, not great player. Frankly, he isn’t as good a player as Teixeira regardless of what their current stats indicate.
The Sox should have done a deal with him in ST. Now, it will cost them a lot more money.”
“The Molinas were born with a catcher’s mitt and the speed of a glacier.”
——————
lol GB. I always thought they were born with speed rictrictors implanted in them.
SJ,
Good. I hope it costs Boston a fortune to get Bay because I don’t think long term he’s going to be player he’s showing he is now.
I think the league still hasn’t learned how to pitch to him. He was a very good player in Pitt. He wasn’t this good.
Scouting reports should hopefully catch up to him soon. The guy gets an awful lot of cookies right over the plate.
Somehow, I think Theo knows this and will only bid to a certain point and then walk away from him. I don’t think Theo wants to be tied to Bay for 5-6 years.
dt,
im just the angriest 50 year old yankees fan alive. “check that” new york fan
Damon what have you done for me lately.
“You know Scott is going to ramp up the $$$ bigtime in the off-season.
He’s a good, not great player. ”
———-
It doesn’t matter… Bay is going to be a free agent when there are very few quality players on the market.
He’ll cash in as an elite free agent because there’s nobody else out there aside from Holliday (and unless Holliday picks it up outside of Coors he’s going to scare teams off)
Bay will almost certainly get more money than he’s ‘worth’ because of scarcity.
The Yanks should pass and focus on pitching (bullpen) and defense.
Anyone slightly worried about Mo coming up? Not trying to start drama, just a concerned question.
Mike May 10th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
“Manny didn’t go to the Pirates did he?
Look at the players the PIRATES got in that trade. The Yankees could’ve EASILY matched that package and Cashman choose to get Nady over Bay which was about as dumb as it gets.”
Manny was part of the Bay deal, wasn’t he? That deal doesn’t get done without the Dodgers, does it?
and easily? If I remember correctly the deal was 2 ML players, Melky, and Hughes and the Pirates wanted more.
If Cash could have EASILY matched that deal, then where is this talent now that the Yankees need the depth?
“G. Love May 10th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
SJ,
Good. I hope it costs Boston a fortune to get Bay because I don’t think long term he’s going to be player he’s showing he is now.
I think the league still hasn’t learned how to pitch to him. He was a very good player in Pitt. He wasn’t this good.
Scouting reports should hopefully catch up to him soon. The guy gets an awful lot of cookies right over the plate.
Somehow, I think Theo knows this and will only bid to a certain point and then walk away from him. I don’t think Theo wants to be tied to Bay for 5-6 years.”
There is nothing to “catch up” with. He’s been a great hitter for his entire career except for one fluke year.
Wow, they actually have more than I thought they would. Maybe when they played for the Angels it rubbed off on them for a bit?
“Too late Trisha. Already purchased the Pepto.
I cant let it go to waste.
I’m gonna line up some shots of Pepto and take one each time Veras throws a ball”
I understand, you girlie man! I, on the other hand, just wait and watch. Sometimes I’m disappointed, other times I’s so very pleased. Beats having to take Pepto!!!
Bay is a Boras client.
Lord why am I nervous.
“Brian in 702 May 10th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Mike May 10th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
“Manny didn’t go to the Pirates did he?
Look at the players the PIRATES got in that trade. The Yankees could’ve EASILY matched that package and Cashman choose to get Nady over Bay which was about as dumb as it gets.”
Manny was part of the Bay deal, wasn’t he? That deal doesn’t get done without the Dodgers, does it?
and easily? If I remember correctly the deal was 2 ML players, Melky, and Hughes and the Pirates wanted more.
If Cash could have EASILY matched that deal, then where is this talent now that the Yankees need the depth?”
The Pirates got garbage from the dodgers/boston for bay. Hansen (awful) Moss (awful) Laroche (mediocre) and another prospect. The Yankees gave them 2/5 of their current rotation and another better prospect than they got in the Bay deal.
SJ44
May 10th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Girardi rolled the dice there and won.
He has no confidence in any of the righties, particularly Veras, in the pen.
So, he gambles and extends Coke 2 innings and to 2 RH hitters (Mora and Wiggington) who sit on anything hard middle in, and the DP saved him.
Also, little things again that win games…..Cano’s rocket for an arm turns that DP.
Both Jeter and Cano had trouble handling the ball but, Cano’s arm was strong enough to still turn the DP.
Not a lot of 2B have enough arm strength to turn that play after both guys bobbled the ball.
Tick on runs would be nice but, 2 run lead, Mo on the mound, bottom of the Orioles order coming up, they have to win this game now.
————————————————————
Yeah, not a real clean exchange between Jeter and Cano on a timing play. Cano is looking more and more like Manny Trillo on defense. Cano’s got the strongest 2nd baseman’s arm I’ve seen since Trillo.
I usually never say this but I’m nervous w/ Mo in the game
Anyone who obssesses before a pitch is thrown (or an AB had) is now officially a girlie-man! Not that there’s anything wrong with that…
93- 94 MPH–looks fine to me
Fire Michael Kay, Michael Kay knows a lot about baseball especially the Yankees.
“SJ44 May 10th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Bay is a Boras client.”
No. His agent is some some guy named Joe Urbon.
Squeezing Mo? come on now.
aubrey huff doing that after a 1st inning home run and then laughing about it in the dugout was acting like a 4th grader.
“The Yanks should pass and focus on pitching (bullpen) and defense.”
HOW DOES CASHMAN IMPROVE THE DEFENSE? BAY IS A SUPERIOR DEFENDER TO DAMON,SWISHER,NADY. SO YOU’RE SAYING TO REPLACE JETER, BASICALLY.
Is it me, or is Mo getting squeezed?
wow bad bad bad strike zone.
GOD the umpires are awful. That was such a strike.
Looked like called strike 3 to Pie.
mo can’t walk pie, there were rumors yesterday the o’s were going to DFA him
Trisha,
I thought one had to be related to the Governor of California in order to legally use the phrase “girlie-man”?
sean serritella,
either you are being sarcastic or hopefully you typed that in a padded mental institution cell.
that last pitch was a strike according to their K zone or whatever they call it
“ransom sucks May 10th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
“The Yanks should pass and focus on pitching (bullpen) and defense.”
HOW DOES CASHMAN IMPROVE THE DEFENSE? BAY IS A SUPERIOR DEFENDER TO DAMON,SWISHER,NADY. SO YOU’RE SAYING TO REPLACE JETER, BASICALLY.”
Not true. Bay is pretty terrible in the field.
Oh gawd.
Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
May 10th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Wow, they actually have more than I thought they would. Maybe when they played for the Angels it rubbed off on them for a bit?
————————————————————
Moreno must have repossessd their Angel wings.
Mo is really getting squeezed.
No mention of that on the O’s feed
Mo not locating to good today. Walking a .182 hitter!
I’d kill for a double play right now. Don’t like seeing Jones come up.
ransom sucks,
meet anyone under any banners lately?
i have a bad feeling about this
nice pitch by Mo
Come on Mo. 1 more out.
Finally, a called third strike on the corner.
now lets put away this heart troubled brian scum roberts.
Just one Mo!!!!!
Mariano showing much better velocity, been 93-94 mph on the cutter to andino, that’s a great sign.
One more mo!! you got this buddy
They must think Mo is Edwar. This is sad.
Joba gets the last laugh on Huff with the win.
Despite some lackluster play by the Yanks this weekend they manage to take the series and that is the bottom line. That will make the off day a lot more enjoyable. On to Toronto.
Yay!!!
“i have a bad feeling about this”
it is still Mo for crying out loud
GAME OVER!
crisis over
MARIANo!!!!
Collective Group Fist Pump! YEAH!
Thank you MO!!
Damon should get the game ball. Clutch AB.
Two out of three.
I can enjoy dinner. Time to start grillin’!
speaking of Huff, anyone hear about his ‘habit’ during road trips, if you look up it up from an interview he did…he’s a perv
What do I do with all this Pepto Bismol now?
alright, brian scum roberts, doing what he does against the sox.
how’s Aubrey Huff feeling now?
quality win
That’s just what NYY needed. Take two of three in every series for the next month will cure many ills.
Game over. Yankees win.
“I thought one had to be related to the Governor of California in order to legally use the phrase “girlie-man”?”
Uh oh.
“Joba gets the last laugh on Huff with the win.”
that won’t be the last of that!
Huff needs to get one in the back next time in
VINTAGE MO – he didnt have the velocity but if he has the usual pinpoint control like today, he will get it done.
“Not true. Bay is pretty terrible in the field.”
HE’S NOT A GOLD GLOVER BUT C’MON DAMON’S RANGE IS REGRESSING, SWISHER IS TERRIBLE, NADY IS MAYBE EQUAL.
http://www.bugsandcranks.com/b.....ot-amused/
tampa yank,
what is huff’s habit? is it licking the red sox holes clean.
Interesting – Johnny just complimented Joba on holding them after the 1st inning, and giving them a chance. Very interesting in light of the previous discussions.
Good job by Roger and Les Deux in properly calling out that pathetically transparent 3:01 update.
The curse of the fist pump.
The O’s have gone scoreless for 8 2/3 innings since the showboat move.
every game is another crisis. Today, crisis adverted. New crisis starts Tuesday. Ill be there.
oh yea and F-Off Huff, Joba should now get to pump his fist in your face.
Zach in Port Jeff
May 10th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
What do I do with all this Pepto Bismol now?
————————————————————
Strawberry Milkshakes all around.
Let’s not forget the difference between winning and losing today – Francisco Cervelli beating out a routine ground ball to 2nd base. These are the little things that make a .500 team a .600 team over the course of a season. Hopefully Cervelli’s desire to win will become infectious.
huff – doin it red sox “anal” retentive style.
“SJ44 May 10th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
G Love,
Tex is also a Boras client and he didn’t take a paycut to go to the Sox and the Sox are still ticked at Boras over that.
Its also why they didn’t do an extension for Bay in ST.
You know Scott is going to ramp up the $$$ bigtime in the off-season.
He’s a good, not great player. Frankly, he isn’t as good a player as Teixeira regardless of what their current stats indicate.
The Sox should have done a deal with him in ST. Now, it will cost them a lot more money.”
I don’t know, I wouldn’t really qualify Texeira as a great player. Besides 2005, he has never been great.
HUFF LOOKS LIKE A MORON NOW, HAHAHA!!! ENJOY LAST PLACE LOSER.
Give credit to Phil Coke attacking hitters in the late innings and not falling behind in the count.
Give credit to Johnny Damon for being well, Johnny Damon.
And give credit for Joba to going out with a popped blood vessel (he shouldn’t have been out there)and keeping his team in the game despite not having his best stuff.
Who’s fist pumping now, Aubrey Huff?
Interesting – Johnny just complimented Joba on holding them after the 1st inning, and giving them a chance. Very interesting in light of the previous discussions.
=====
yeah, I read into that as well. Sounds like a knock on Phil Hughes packing it in last night.
“how’s Aubrey Huff feeling now?”
i’d say pretty stupid, but since he likes watching joba so much on sports center he’ll get some more chances watching espn too see just how stupid he looks.
ransom sucks May 10th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
HUFF LOOKS LIKE A MORON NOW, HAHAHA!!! ENJOY LAST PLACE LOSER.
=====================================
Would you be willing to take on Huff under the O’Neil banner?
Hope Aubrey Huff is enjoying the crow Joba and the Yankees just stuffed into his mouth.
Enough with the “Chamberlain needs to drill Huff next time” crap. The ultimate payback was busting him hard in on the hands. A couple more like that and he’ll move off of the plate and won’t be able to hook pitches on the outside.
Girardi has every right to be high on coke and we should all join him. haha.
I was at the game last night with Hughes (couldn’t find ya in the press box Pete), and man was that 2nd inning brutal…
Rivera is now 12 saves shy of 500.
Heck we can all enjoy the rest of our day and night now! And if I didn’t have to show up and sit in a virtually empty office for the next two days I’d be enjoying it even more. Leaving a place you’ve been quite a while is never fun. Doing it under tense circumstances REALLY is uncomfortable…
I’m expecting some snide comments out of the O’s locker room fresh for the Monday papers.
Fire Michael Kay gets away with a lot. Hopefully Peter is in the clubhouse interviewing Brett Gardner.
Thanks for the update on Melky. It must kill you to have to write positive things about Melky Cabrera. Maybe almost as much as writing something positive about Alex Rodriguez. What is it with you and the Dominicans?
So Johnny made sure his own edict held water.
That’s why you play 9 innings….Just reading the posts in the course of the game is quite entertaining in it’s self…..So nobody gets fired or traded today, as they win the series….On to Toronto……Johnny Damon is playing much younger than his age…..Coke has nailed down his role, so we need two more ….It’s going to be fine folks…Great tight cut to Rivera’s pitces today…His cutter on a right hand hitter on the inside is deadly….
“Would you be willing to take on Huff under the O’Neil banner?”
S.A, It will really never get old and is quickly becoming my favorite running gag on the LHB.
Amazing.
“The curse of the fist pump.”
Trisha,
You should pry off all the letters from the keyboards at work except for the T,R,I,S,H, and A before you leave.
“Would you be willing to take on Huff under the O’Neil banner?”
OF COURSE, BUT AFTER TODAY’S GAME I WOULDN’T BE THE ONLY ONE TRYING TO KNOCK HIS CHIN OFF.
Anyone know how Bruney and Marte are coming along? Are they going to be back any time soon?
Pat M wrote:
Johnny Damon is playing much younger than his age…..
_________
yeah, it’s amazing what playing for a contract does for some of these guys. Too bad so many of them phone it in after they sign. I can make Arod hit 50hrs a year – just sign him to 8 one year contracts.
Dr. Cox-It still makes me laugh!
Pat M – but nary a negative observation about the Yankees out of the blindly loyal Trisha!
He he he.
ransom sucks May 10th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
“Would you be willing to take on Huff under the O’Neil banner?”
OF COURSE, BUT AFTER TODAY’S GAME I WOULDN’T BE THE ONLY ONE TRYING TO KNOCK HIS CHIN OFF.
=================================
Hahahahahaha
Pat M
May 10th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
That’s why you play 9 innings….Just reading the posts in the course of the game is quite entertaining in it’s self…..So nobody gets fired or traded today, as they win the series….On to Toronto……Johnny Damon is playing much younger than his age…..Coke has nailed down his role, so we need two more ….It’s going to be fine folks…Great tight cut to Rivera’s pitces today…His cutter on a right hand hitter on the inside is deadly….
————————————————————
although the walk with a two run lead, but, that puts an end to that “streak”, so not a real concern. It’s usually the ping hitters that get to Rivera. The rest of them appeared to have zero chance with Rivera.
With tomorrow being a day off, Mo should be used for the 1st and 3rd games in Toronto to get sharp whether it’s a save situation or not.
And what about my DA MELK!!!!!
Something I love about Girardi is that a player who is told he isn’t in the starting lineup today might very well find a way to play himself into way. That really varies from Torre who let players rust on the bench if they weren’t his boys. I think that aspect of Girardi makes him a really good manager and is, on the most basic level, the way the game should be managed.
pat m
you think johnny damon is on a salary drive? he’s sure into it.
he’s been talking of reaching 3000 hits. to do that he’s going to have to get some cash from someone so they don’t bench him in slumps as he gets older.
nothing like a big salary to keep an aging player playing.
i think he could get 3000, but it’ll take a real commitment on his part.
Now the crowning glory of the day will come if the Rays continue to flourish…
Trisha –
Yesterday, I was listening to the game while driving. Sterling referred to Melky as a good hitter 3 x, I nearly drove off the road. Melky stock surely has risen. Time will tell but I’m happy for Leche.
Bob Lorenz really shouldn’t take a day off; Nancy Newman is terrible. I am sure Kay loved the comment about Mother’s Day too.
Pete
You are mistaken that Melky is not a good OFer. FanGraphs has his UZR at 23.8 in CF.
I have a feeling Tex is going to start hitting. Id like to see a stat in 2 or 3 weeks that show Tex’s average before A-rod was in the LU and after.
I think thatd be interesting.
Damon has a much better chance of getting a reduced $$$ contract than Matsui or even Nady. He’s still an outstanding offensive player and servicable in LF. He might even hit better DHing half the time. It may not be as low as Abreu, but one year @ $ 7.5 with a vesting option would be worth doing in my mind.
I would not retain Nady, Matsui or Molina… still unsure about Pettite for 2010.
Helluva win… winning any series on the road is a good thing. Joba showed some moxie. Jim Palmer made a great point about Joba not realizing how good his two-seamer is at 92-93. He can really reduce his pitch count with that.
“You should pry off all the letters from the keyboards at work except for the T,R,I,S,H, and A before you leave.”
Zach, I have something that is the equivalent of leaving them the same way. The year-end report I have to write every year is a horror. It’s a 150-page document. Well this year it took longer than usual for the guidelines to come through, and oh well, wouldn’t ya know that they came through last Friday. As soon as I got the email I said to my assistant “Oh well, don’t need those for anything!” There is nobody else there who knows how to write that report.
NOT…MY…PROBLEM!
Zach so Huff is a self confessed Wanker? great post.
Zach so Huff is a self confessed Wanker? great post.
randy l.
May 10th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
pat m
you think johnny damon is on a salary drive? he’s sure into it.
he’s been talking of reaching 3000 hits. to do that he’s going to have to get some cash from someone so they don’t bench him in slumps as he gets older.
nothing like a big salary to keep an aging player playing.
i think he could get 3000, but it’ll take a real commitment on his part.
————————————————————
I don’t see players like Damon, Jeter or Posada to have salary drives. Damon was as about as goos as any leadoff hitter in baseball last year. I think that there’s just too much pride in that kind of player. I do wish Jeter would get back to driving the ball, though…..that a start pulling pitches that are middle in.
Gameday had Mo’s cutter consistently at 92-94 mph. I don’t know if that’s accurate, but Girardi did confirm that his stuff looked a lot better today.
RS
It’s more accurate than the YES gun.
I don’t see players like Damon, Jeter or Posada ***as needing to having*** salary drives. Damon was as about as ***good*** as any leadoff hitter in baseball last year
Joba dressed like the bartender at the “OK Corral Saloon”
CHECK OUT JOBA on the postgame show!! Looking sharp, lmao!
Joba handled that question perfectly!
Joba, the professor.
Lol at Joba “This won’t be the last time I face him”
Watch out, Huff
Joba handles the media with Jeterian skill.
Joba looking dapper wonder where he’s goin?
Sorry but could Kim Jones be more stupid some of the time?????
Jones: Joba, why is it that blah blah blah blah blah (he has trouble with the first inning)
Joba: If I knew the answer to that I wouldn’t be doing it.
Jones: Is it frustrating?
NO KIM, BUT YOU ARE!!!!!
Good God.
coke was the man today…he is settling in now…..i think he can really help them
“I don’t see players like Damon, Jeter or Posada to have salary drives. Damon was as about as goos as any leadoff hitter in baseball last year. I think that there’s just too much pride in that kind of player. ”
gb7-
i agree about it not really about the money to damon at this point in his career, but the guaranteed contract for big bucks gives a player playing time.
all other things equal, the big money guys play. playing and getting a shot at three thousand hits is what damon is thinking about.
that said , he’s all about winning too.
if he has a great year, the yankees are going to have a tough choice to make.
Joba looking dapper wonder where he’s goin?
On a plane, Yankee tradition/rule. All players must be suited up before boarding plane.
Yankees long time rule is formal attire for traveling.
It’s get-away-day…I think they all have follow the dress code.
GreenBeret7, I see what you are saying, but he’s 36, there’s always a chance that he pulls a Posada next year as aging players have a much greater chance of breaking down. So they have to have better numbers just to dissuade teams from going with younger less talented alternatives.
Look I gotta just say this. Francisco Cervelli has bedroom eyes.
Does Joba have a poker game in 1927 he has to get to?
randy l.
May 10th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
“I don’t see players like Damon, Jeter or Posada to have salary drives. Damon was as about as goos as any leadoff hitter in baseball last year. I think that there’s just too much pride in that kind of player. ”
gb7-
i agree about it not really about the money to damon at this point in his career, but the guaranteed contract for big bucks gives a player playing time.
all other things equal, the big money guys play. playing and getting a shot at three thousand hits is what damon is thinking about.
that said , he’s all about winning too.
if he has a great year, the yankees are going to have a tough choice to make.
————————————————————
I just don’t see Damon getting there. 700 hits to go, and as hard as he plays, I don’t know if he can stay that productive over the next 4-5 years, unless he hangs around as a pinch hitter like Manny Mota or Smokey Burgess.
I hope this doesn’t come out the wrong way, but Cervelli reminds me of the MANY Foreign Exchange Students that my mom was obsessed with hosting while I was in high school.
Although eventually it came in handy, as I usually have a place to stay in most places when traveling overseas.
Not sure about those “bedroom” eyes that Trisha speaks of though.
Pete interviewing Tex right now.
Great game!
(Pete’s right, Melky does do some boneheaded things sometimes. Just have to ignore them as he’s the best hitter on the team, though!)
Huff also has terrible taste in radio. Bubba sucks.
As long as Damon has his wheels, he’s worth a 2 year deal….He has such a short stroke, that he’ll be able to hit big league pitching for awhile….It’s his legs that will determine how long he’ll be around….I see the Yanks resigning him to a 2 year deal…His speed is still way above avaerage…
I’m happy to see that the newer breed of Yankee is basically ignoring the silly questions Kim Jones seems wont to ask. Tex basically dismissed her.
I wonder if that will cause her to try to come up with more intelligent questions. I’m not trying to dance all over her head because she seems like a really nice person but her questions are so darned annoyingly sophomoric!
“Pat M May 10th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
As long as Damon has his wheels, he’s worth a 2 year deal….He has such a short stroke, that he’ll be able to hit big league pitching for awhile….It’s his legs that will determine how long he’ll be around….I see the Yanks resigning him to a 2 year deal…His speed is still way above avaerage…”
Year to year. There is no reason to keep hanging out multi years deals to old players.
“I just don’t see Damon getting there. 700 hits to go, and as hard as he plays, I don’t know if he can stay that productive over the next 4-5 years, unless he hangs around as a pinch hitter like Manny Mota or Smokey Burgess.”
i was as surprised and skeptical as you , but from age 36 through age 40( 5 seasons) kenny lofton got 598 hits.
if damon gets 120 more this year , he’ll have 2426 at the end of this year at age 35.
if he gets what lofton did, 598 more hits ( 119 a year) he’ll have 3,024 hits.
i agree with you that damon has taken a beating, but he really is a very unusual athlete. for one thing he’s a lot bigger than he looks on tv. i think if he commits to it and pays the price with off season workouts, and with a bit of luck with injuries he could pull it off.
Great game by Damon but fans are getting carried away. You can’t sign Damon for next year under no circumstances. Yankees have to free up a spot in the outfield for Jeter and eventually AJax. Posada has dibs on the DH spot. No room for Johnny. Matsui, Damon and Nady should not be resigned.
I think more players should pump fists at Joba when they beat him. Joba needs to grow out of that habit.
Pete
You are mistaken that Melky is not a good OFer. FanGraphs has his UZR at 23.8 in CF.
————–
Melky has played 20 games this season. His UZR last year was closer to 1.2.
Warmer weather ushers in a Newer and improved Mo. It has to be tough to train in 60-75 degree wweather and then go play ball in the rain in the 40′s.
Still think they shouldhave put a retractable roof on the new place.
“TIDROW May 10th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Great game by Damon but fans are getting carried away. You can’t sign Damon for next year under no circumstances. Yankees have to free up a spot in the outfield for Jeter and eventually AJax. Posada has dibs on the DH spot. No room for Johnny. Matsui, Damon and Nady should not be resigned.”
This makes no sense whatsoever.
1 Jackson is a CF so he has nothing to do with Damon. The guy replaces is Melky.
2 Damon is a better hitter than Jeter. It’s not close to being arguable. Jeter doesn’t hit nearly well enough to play LF.
Jeter is never going to the OF.
That’s fans pipedreams and no more.
His future with the Yankees is going to be as a DH.
Its not going to be as an OF.
Johnny Damon has been the best player on this team since last year.
Its pretty tough to let players who can still play go, for players that you overpay to come to NY.
If he keeps playing like this, and they don’t re-sign him, its a mistake.
A great win for the Yanks today…
Now, let’s go remind Toronto where they belong in the East!
Let’s Go Yanks!!!!
“SJ44 May 10th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Jeter is never going to the OF.
That’s fans pipedreams and no more.
His future with the Yankees is going to be as a DH.
Its not going to be as an OF.
Johnny Damon has been the best player on this team since last year.
Its pretty tough to let players who can still play go, for players that you overpay to come to NY.
If he keeps playing like this, and they don’t re-sign him, its a mistake.”
You can’t have a DH who hits like Jeter does. Thats a joke if they do it.
Damon is a better hitter NOW than Jeter. That hasn’t been the case for their entire careers though.
“Moe May 10th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
I think more players should pump fists at Joba when they beat him. Joba needs to grow out of that habit.”
How about let the guy be a human being. If he feels like pumping his fist, let him. If you watched the post-game interview, it was obvious that he took Huff’s fist pump in stride. I personally don’t think it looks all that great when a player does it, I’d rather just let the way they play do all the talking. But he obviously naturally is an excitable guy, so let him do what he wants to.
what a concept a well pitched game.. 3 runs for the yanks is like a shutout for any other team..
get bruney back, maybe melancon will develop and then you have those 2 coke and MO..
cerevelli may not be johnny bench but he is home grown and has some upside, another bad cahsman moce(peanut gallery)!!!!!
“rconn23 May 10th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Damon is a better hitter NOW than Jeter. That hasn’t been the case for their entire careers though.”
He was much better last year and he’s much better this year. Do you really think that is going to change?
Its hard to say Damon is on a salary drive since he had a great year last year.
The guy is a great player who has shown he can play at a high level in the toughest two media markets in baseball…..NY and Boston.
That goes beyond stat watching. That’s using your eyeballs and see just how good a player he is.
Add to it that he is accountable and well respected in the clubhouse, is a great recruiter to bring other players here, I’d say those are the kind of guys you want on this team.
He will take a short term deal to come back because he wants to come back.
If the Yankees are smart, they would get that deal done. He has paid off in his time here.
Its not his fault he can’t pitch. That’s on the organization to fix, not Johnny Damon.
You can’t have a DH who hits like Jeter does. Thats a joke if they do it.
———–
It’s either that or shortstop. Take your pick.
“stuart May 10th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
what a concept a well pitched game.. 3 runs for the yanks is like a shutout for any other team..
get bruney back, maybe melancon will develop and then you have those 2 coke and MO..
cerevelli may not be johnny bench but he is home grown and has some upside, another bad cahsman moce(peanut gallery)!!!!!”
If the non major league hitting backup catcher hadn’t gotten hurt Cervelli would still be in AA. Injuries forced Cashman’s hand.
“Giuseppe Franco May 10th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
You can’t have a DH who hits like Jeter does. Thats a joke if they do it.
—————-
It’s either that or shortstop. Take your pick.”
Shortstop. Then he walks after 2010.
randy l.
May 10th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
“I just don’t see Damon getting there. 700 hits to go, and as hard as he plays, I don’t know if he can stay that productive over the next 4-5 years, unless he hangs around as a pinch hitter like Manny Mota or Smokey Burgess.”
i was as surprised and skeptical as you , but from age 36 through age 40( 5 seasons) kenny lofton got 598 hits.
if damon gets 120 more this year , he’ll have 2426 at the end of this year at age 35.
if he gets what lofton did, 598 more hits ( 119 a year) he’ll have 3,024 hits.
i agree with you that damon has taken a beating, but he really is a very unusual athlete. for one thing he’s a lot bigger than he looks on tv. i think if he commits to it and pays the price with off season workouts, and with a bit of luck with injuries he could pull it off.
————————————————————
I sort of looked at the way his career has gone about like how Al Oliver’s career went his last couple of years. I really thought that once he went to Texas he’d be a mortal lock for 3,000. In my opinion, Oliver and possibly Dave Parker should have been HOFers.
Any real baseball fan has got to love seeing a player like Damon or Jeter play. Never the most gifted, but, full out all day, every day. Rodriguez is that short of player, but, you wonder, like with Mantle, what they could have done with a little more self-control and not as stubborn in their hitting approaches. Two of the most God-gifted players that I’ve ever seen.
As far as Damon, it’s hard to believe that he’s almost as big as Jeter and Rodriguez, though about 2 inches shorter.
another idea how about promoting a bat from the minors!!!
berroa needs to be moved out.. bring up either linder, rodriguez, or miranda.. keep gardner on the bench for pinch running, late defensive, etc…
pena can play all 3 infield positions they need a bat on the bench NOW
Mike
May 10th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
“SJ44 May 10th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Jeter is never going to the OF.
That’s fans pipedreams and no more.
His future with the Yankees is going to be as a DH.
Its not going to be as an OF.
Johnny Damon has been the best player on this team since last year.
Its pretty tough to let players who can still play go, for players that you overpay to come to NY.
If he keeps playing like this, and they don’t re-sign him, its a mistake.”
***You can’t have a DH who hits like Jeter does. Thats a joke if they do it*** .
————————————————————
Why not? Paul Molitor made half of his career being the same type of hitter as Jeter.
It’s either that or shortstop. Take your pick.”
Shortstop. Then he walks after 2010.
————–
Well, that’s not going to happen. Be realistic.
Mike,
My point was that Jeter has been the better hitter over the course of his career. Damon was better last year and this season so far.
Mike,
My point was that Jeter has been the better hitter over the course of his career. Damon was better last year and this season so far.
Yanks will not let Damon walk…2 year deal will be fine…Besides the of will be an issue next season, again….The Yankee system is at least 2 years away from suppling the Bronx with postion plsyers…I doubt Matsui will take a big pay cut to stay in NY as a PH / partime dh, as there will be many teams wanting his LH stick as a platoon dh guy….
“GreenBeret7 May 10th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
Mike
May 10th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
“SJ44 May 10th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Jeter is never going to the OF.
That’s fans pipedreams and no more.
His future with the Yankees is going to be as a DH.
Its not going to be as an OF.
Johnny Damon has been the best player on this team since last year.
Its pretty tough to let players who can still play go, for players that you overpay to come to NY.
If he keeps playing like this, and they don’t re-sign him, its a mistake.”
You can’t have a DH who hits like Jeter does. Thats a joke if they do it .
——————————————————————————————
Why not? Paul Molitor made half of his career being the same type of hitter as Jeter.”
Molitor’s first 4 years as a DH he had OPS’s of 888 851 911 and 951. Jeter hasn’t been close to that in recent history.
“Giuseppe Franco May 10th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
It’s either that or shortstop. Take your pick.”
Shortstop. Then he walks after 2010.
———————
Well, that’s not going to happen. Be realistic.”
Why? Because the yankees are going to put sentimentality over the quality of their team?
The main question is how do Nancy Newman, Kim Jones, and Michael Kay all have jobs? The HR Manager must be a Fordham graduate…
Derek Jeter isn’t going anywhere.
First off, he is still a good offensive player.
Second, he’s a lifelong Yankee. Yes, even at 37.
The guy has represented this franchise with class and dignity and they aren’t going to show him out the door. Its not happening.
Third, he has a chance to be the first Yankee to get to 3,000 career hits. They aren’t going to have him get that milestone in another uniform.
He’s not as big a drag on the team as some of his biggest critics in the fan base.
He won’t be the SS in 2011 but, he will be a Yankee.
Trenton wins 4-3 with Vazquez and catcher Jose Gil hitting homers. Gil only has 9 at bats this year because of an injury, but is 5-9 with 2 doubles and a homer.
Scranton lost 300 in 11 innings after Robertson allowed two hits and Melancon came in and gave up the 3 run homer.
Jackson was 2-4 in the game. Igawa was 8 innings, 5 hits, 0 runs, 2 walks, 2 strikeouts.
Tampa won 8-4. Montero was 2-5 with 2 doubles and 2 RBI. Romine was 3-4 with 2 doubles and 2 RBI. He also had another catcher’s interference error (his 2nd this week) and was caught stealing twice. Laird and Sublett were 0-4.
Charleston wasn’t scheduled to play.
1046. SJ44 May 10th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Derek Jeter isn’t going anywhere.
First off, he is still a good offensive player.
Second, he’s a lifelong Yankee. Yes, even at 37.
The guy has represented this franchise with class and dignity and they aren’t going to show him out the door. Its not happening.
Third, he has a chance to be the first Yankee to get to 3,000 career hits. They aren’t going to have him get that milestone in another uniform.
He’s not as big a drag on the team as some of his biggest critics in the fan base.
He won’t be the SS in 2011 but, he will be a Yankee.”
Where is he going to play?
The guy has represented this franchise with class and dignity and they aren’t going to show him out the door. Its not happening.
____________
Two words: Bernie Williams.
If the Yankees make the playoffs this year Jeter will be the Yankees shortstop next year. If they finish in 4th place and jeter bats .260 the Yankees have a very very hard decision to make. Jeter is quite a luxury when he’s not batting .300 since he’s a liability in the field and he doesn’t bat in 100 rbi.
There’s a good argument that Ripken overstayed his welcome in Baltimore by a couple of years but the front office was terrified of cutting him. I hope Jeter has the good sense to hang it up before he loses it.
“I sort of looked at the way his career has gone about like how Al Oliver’s career went his last couple of years. I really thought that once he went to Texas he’d be a mortal lock for 3,000. In my opinion, Oliver and possibly Dave Parker should have been HOFers.”
gb7-
funny you mention al oliver. i was going to tell you the same thing how he got stuck at about 2700( 2743) and faded fast.
i had the good fortune to sit in the bullpen for one season( ill fated senior league) and be around oliver. he was the left handed dh ( hal mcrae ws the righty dh), but he developed an eye problem and the medication made him dizzy so he was out in the bullpen a lot that year ( it was next to the clubhouse- mckechne field in bradenton)
he was not happy about not getting three thousand hits. he talked to me about it. he felt like he was blackballed somewhat. i can’t remember the specifics of why he’d say that. just like he felt he should have been given a chance to keep playing. it really bothered him.
he was 42 in the senior league, and after not playing for a few months, he pinch hit in an extra inning playoff game and hit a line drive base hit between 1st an 2nd and drove in the winning run. amazing, but no one expected anything less from him.
one thing he did that was unusual was he said he looked breaking ball and reacted fastball. he had a long back and forth with mcrae and nettles about it one day. they couldn’t believe it. i guess in his hey day , no one could get a fastball in on him.
As much as the Yanks have always been known for offense and the HOFers pitchers they’ve had, it’s always been a shocker that they’ve never had a 300 game winner or a player that had 3,000 hits as a Yankee. I think they’ve only had 3 players that ever had 3,000 that played at one time or another as a Yankee and 3 pitchers that had 300 wins.
Damon is getting old. This team needs to get younger. Fans get too giddy when this team wins and too distraught when they lose. Why would you resign Damon when you already have an aging Jeter and an aging Posada on this team? Sure Damon can hit but his fielding is sub par and he’s an injury waiting to happen. Just because he hit a game winning homerun doesn’t mean he’s irreplaceable. I don’t care if he’s a better hitter than Jeter at this moment in their careers. No freaking way i’m choosing him over one of the greatest players in this franchises’ history. This team needs to start shedding these older players at the tail end of their careers. Only reason i keep Jeter and Posada is because they gave so much to this team and contributed greatly to its successful run from 1996-2000. They’ve earned their right to stay and age gracefuly with this team. Everybody else needs to be given their walking papers if they are past their prime.
“The Ghost May 10th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
The guy has represented this franchise with class and dignity and they aren’t going to show him out the door. Its not happening.
__
Two words: Bernie Williams.
If the Yankees make the playoffs this year Jeter will be the Yankees shortstop next year. If they finish in 4th place and jeter bats .260 the Yankees have a very very hard decision to make. Jeter is quite a luxury when he’s not batting .300 since he’s a liability in the field and he doesn’t bat in 100 rbi.
There’s a good argument that Ripken overstayed his welcome in Baltimore by a couple of years but the front office was terrified of cutting him. I hope Jeter has the good sense to hang it up before he loses it.”
The Yankees made the right call with Bernie. Lets hope they have the guts to do the same with Jeter when the times comes.
Randy, I never figured out what the deal was with Oliver. He stayed away from that clubhouse partying and never seemed to cause problems. At one time, he was a damned fine center fielder and turned himself into a solid 1st baseman. I’m not sure if he was ever given a shot as a batting coach, bit, he would have made a great one.
Last night, you mentioned the name Carl Taylor. Is that the same Carl Taylor that played as a catcher/outfielder with Pittsburgh and KC in the early 70s? I remember him only because he always seemed to kill the Cubs and Yankees in his limited playing time.
“Melky is not a good outfielder.”
you’re wrong Pete. Just wrong.
one brain cramp type play and he’s a bad outfielder?
you’re better than that, Pete.
and yes. He’s a better center fielder than Gardner. Has better range and runs better routes.