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Why pull one but not the other?

Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on May 21, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

It’s interesting to see how managers react to different game situations on a night-to-night basis, particularly when certain trends become evident. Even if you don’t necessarily agree with their decisions, consistency from a manager shows that, at minimum, he has a strong belief in the thinking behind his choices.

Last night, though, Joe Girardi made what I’d call an inconsistent decision. After bringing Mariano Rivera into the game in the eighth inning and the score 5-3, Girardi opted to leave his closer in for the ninth despite the Yankees turning the game into a rout with a six-run bottom of the inning. One night earlier, in an almost identical situation – this time the Yanks were up one and CC Sabathia was ready to go back out, only to see the Yankees score seven runs in the bottom of the seventh – Girardi pulled his ace.

So, the question begs: If he did it with his best starter, why not with his best reliever? Especially one who may or may not be 100 % healthy?

To be fair, Girardi did ask Rivera how he felt and even though Mariano would never say he didn’t want to pitch, there are times when he intimates that. For example, a few days ago when Andy Pettitte was starting, Girardi went up to Rivera before the game and asked if he was available that night; Rivera, who had pitched three innings in the previous two games, didn’t say no but he did say, “Andy’s starting,” as if Pettitte was going to pitch so well Rivera wouldn’t be needed. That non-answer was enough for Girardi to know he was going to use someone else to finish the game that night and he did (getting Phil Coke his first save).

All the same, I still think sending Rivera out last night for the ninth was the wrong choice. Was it a disastrous decision? Hardly. Is it a huge deal? Not particularly. But pitchers can be thrown off by the slightest of events, and the long layoff while the Yankees were at-bat isn’t something Rivera is used to sitting through before pitching. Remember what Brian Bruney said earlier this week? That something as small as the lengthy replay review of Jorge Posada’s home run may have played a role in his injury. Back on April 19, the umps took 8 1/2 minutes to figure out whether Posada’s seventh-inning homer should stand, meaning Bruney kept warming up the entire time. Looking back now, Bruney thinks all those extra pitches – plus the standing around – may have been part of what sent him to the DL.

I’m not saying that’s going to happen to Rivera. Fourteen pitches, which is what he ended up throwing in the game, isn’t a ton. But once the Yankees had the game in hand, there wasn’t much use in having Rivera return to the mound after a long cooling-off period. It’s not something he’s used to and, given his age and health situation, the best thing for him is to keep his work confined to familiar situtations as much as possible.

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240 Responses to “Why pull one but not the other?”

  1. Tommy May 21st, 2009 at 10:52 am

    Agreed. I was surprised to see him out there in the ninth. Maybe Mo wanted to get the save?

  2. kasey May 21st, 2009 at 10:53 am

    couldn’t agree more, sam. it’s inconsistent at best and dangerous at worst. for the most part, girardi manages the team well enough but he’s made some questionable decisions regarding pitching and the entire organization has a very strange/dangerous way of dealing with injured or possibly injured players, in my opinion.

  3. Snapple May 21st, 2009 at 10:55 am

    I fully agree. On the Waldman post game clubhouse report on 880 she said Mo wanted to pitch cause he had not gotten in a game in a few days and needs to build arm strength. He’s got all season to build that strength though and we need a healthy Mo come aug-sept and having him wait around and then pitch in a game that was over did seem unnecessary.

  4. Rishi May 21st, 2009 at 10:57 am

    is this something someone can ask Joe/Mo about – I’m sure there’s a reason – Joe does not have a history of being reckless with the BP, esp Mo

  5. Kelvin Ace May 21st, 2009 at 10:58 am

    Yes it’s possible, It was a mistake. All in all, Rivera got the save and yanks won.

    Anyone excited about tonight’s game? Looking forward to seeing Joba pitch.

    Also back to my post from prior night, Aceves is important for us. Bullpen will get better with Aceves, Coke, Albaladejo and Bruney. Any of these guys can be consistent with their stuff and bridge properly to Mo.

  6. AlexCT May 21st, 2009 at 10:58 am

    the save counts if he stays in. it shouldn’t matter, but maybe that played into it.

  7. mark May 21st, 2009 at 10:58 am

    girardi said that they are still trying to build up mo’s arm strength. girardi said they sent him back out to get him more pitches to build his arm. i don’t think he should have been sent out either…i am just citing joe’s answer.

  8. john_halfz May 21st, 2009 at 10:58 am

    As I said, nothing like a winning streak to bring out the whiners. Fourteen pitches. Hadn’t pitched in two nights. Eminently available tonight. Sabathia had thrown 17 IP on well over 230 pitches in his last two outings. Rivera knows his arm and wants to build strength.

  9. dadofjft May 21st, 2009 at 10:59 am

    Totally agree but I assume that Girardi did not want to take a save out of Mo’s pocket. I’d like to think that if Mo were having any difficulty or his pitch count had gone much higher that Joe would have taken him out.

  10. Rishi May 21st, 2009 at 10:59 am

    Is he really that naive?:

    “My goodness, this is a fist pump,” Huff said. “We’re talking about a fist pump. What was it, Allen Iverson and practice? We’re talking about a fist pump. It has nothing to do with the game.

    “I’d like to think I’ve had a pretty good career in nine years and nobody talks about it. I do one fist pump to the Yankees, and I’m like a national celebrity. It’s crazy. I’ve never had so much pub over something so silly.”

  11. Dave May 21st, 2009 at 10:59 am

    I completely agree with these points. Girardi is learning on the job. He really needs to do a better job of managing the pitching especially the bullpen. Forget about Mo getting the save. The manager’s job is to save his pitchers.

  12. Brian May 21st, 2009 at 11:00 am

    “Rivera, who had pitched three innings in the previous two games, didn’t say no but he did say, “Andy’s starting,” as if Pettitte was going to pitch so well Rivera wouldn’t be needed.”

    Or that he was trying to tell Joe to put him in so that he could break the record of victories saved; Rivera has saved 57 of Pettitte’s wins, tying the record set by Dennis Eckersley and Bob Welch.

  13. Laura - Win together, strike out alone! May 21st, 2009 at 11:00 am

    Oh God, not the Mo debate again. We beat ourselves ragged about this after the game. Ugh!

  14. Vince May 21st, 2009 at 11:01 am

    The Yankees are fortified at 1st base but this guy bears watching …….

    http://www.minorleaguebaseball.....pid=477601

    Like Alfredo Aceves was found, some scout knows talent from Mexico.

  15. Hokiehill May 21st, 2009 at 11:02 am

    I understand the trepidation and the desire to be careful with important players like Mo, but it had been a few days since Mo had pitched and he needs to get out there every few days to keep up with the very consistancy you point out in making your argument. As Girardi mention post game, Mo had only thrown a few pitches in the 8th inning and he felt it was a good opertunity for him to continue to build arm strength. As we saw with Rivera coming out of spring training, with less than optimal arm strength he can have issues. I think the CC situation is different because he had pitched through 7 solid innings and while he may not have reached his “pitch limit” he had thrown enough pitches for it not to be a waste outing.

  16. Steve B May 21st, 2009 at 11:03 am

    Rishi:

    I think Huff is 100% right.

  17. Don Capone May 21st, 2009 at 11:04 am

    I was a little surprised, too, that Mo went back out. But seriously, it was only 14 pitches he ended up throwing. Maybe Joe was just afraid of what Veras and Albaladejo would do.

  18. Rishi May 21st, 2009 at 11:05 am

    I think if he really thought it was no big deal, he wouldn’t have told people he was going to do it and he wouldn’t have done it twice…

    Plus, it’s the NY Media and this fist pump business (esp vis a vis Joba) has been discussed to death – did he really think people were going to pass up another opportunity to discuss it? Maybe in a game against KC or something, but not the Yankees and not against Joba…

  19. DB - (officially panicked 5/13/09) May 21st, 2009 at 11:07 am

    There is only one problem Sam, when Mo said “Andy is starting” he meant he WANTED to pitch. He needs one more Save tandem with him to break the record. Would have thought that obvious.

  20. Hokiehill May 21st, 2009 at 11:07 am

    on Huff’s reaction to the publicity, I agree it’s over-blown, but he shouldn’t act like he should garner so much attention with out it. the difference between his first-pump and Joba’s IMO is that a Joba pump is an emotional reactionary action, not some thought out joke to send a message. Huff basically acted like a jack-a…. and has been thoroughly called out on it. He will be K’d multiple times tonight and the discussion will be over.

  21. Chris May 21st, 2009 at 11:08 am

    Everyone makes good points. I do side on not bringing Rivera out for the 9th inning. That was simply my gut reaction at the time when I saw him come back out. Why? If he needs to build up arm strength, why not have him just throw a “bullpen” during the 9th inning. Instead, we watch him get taken deep by some kid for his 1st ML homerun.

    As a huge Mariano fan, yes, that type of thing does bother me a lot. I really do believe he’s going to get back on top of things and continue to dominate, as always, for this season. In the meantime– let’s enjoy this streak and Hope that the Yanks keep playing well! Go Bombers!

  22. Steve B May 21st, 2009 at 11:10 am

    On the Mo thing, I’d ask this. Is he better served warming up, retiring a batter on three pitches, then being removed or warming up, facing 5 batters and throwing 14 pitches?

  23. jennifer May 21st, 2009 at 11:10 am

    Rishi May 21st, 2009 at 10:59 am

    Is he really that naive?:

    “My goodness, this is a fist pump,” Huff said. “We’re talking about a fist pump. What was it, Allen Iverson and practice? We’re talking about a fist pump. It has nothing to do with the game.

    “I’d like to think I’ve had a pretty good career in nine years and nobody talks about it. I do one fist pump to the Yankees, and I’m like a national celebrity. It’s crazy. I’ve never had so much pub over something so silly.”

    ***************

    If that is the case than why was he so bent out of shape about Joba fist pumping him from TWO YEARS AGO? He is now worried that Joba will plant one between the numbers. I bet he doesn’t start tonight.

  24. Andrew May 21st, 2009 at 11:11 am

    Re: Vazquez, the Yankees may be fortified at 1B but they could certainly use a power bat off the bench, and another person to be in the mix to spell Matsui and serve as backup if one of Matsui/Nady breaks down this summer.

    My guess is Vasquez is going to get a certain # of ABs in the minors, then get added to try and help the big team some time in July or August if he keeps mashing (which all signs are pointing to him continuing to do). I’d much rather have him pinch hitting late in a game as opposed to someone like Angel Berroa or Brett Gardner.

  25. Brandon Pie "Because it's the thing to do in this stadium" May 21st, 2009 at 11:11 am

    Jorge aka El Chato can’t field much at 1B, he’s a bit better fielding than Adam Dunn which isn’t saying much but he can mash like heck, I mean tape measure shots. Ummm in Mexico according to alot of latinos I talk to he is considered thier Albert Pujols the Yankees have paid attention to him for like 3-5 yrs. and last yr.. they even asked Aceves about him,, they took a chance and are hoping he can become a poor version of Edgar Martinez or Ruben Sierra.

  26. CountryClub May 21st, 2009 at 11:12 am

    Great post; I just wrote about this on a different Yankees blog. I think Girardi made 3 bad choices last night. Hughes should have pitched the 6th. Coke should have finished the 8th. And Mo should have never been out there for the 9th.

  27. Frankie speaking . . . May 21st, 2009 at 11:13 am

    Jake Peavy to the White Sox ?

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....e-sox.html

  28. Mark in Tampa May 21st, 2009 at 11:13 am

    Obviously, the only reason Rivera pitched the 9th was because of the save opp. I think he should have sat, it would have been the team play, but whatever. If somebody else had gotten the last out in the 8th, and the Yanks piled on the runs like they did in the bottom of the inning, there is no way Mo pitches that 9th inning with no save possibility; regardless of trying to build his arm strength or not.

  29. trisha - OPPC member and proud of it May 21st, 2009 at 11:14 am

    On another note, someone mentioned last night’s BBT and how little respect the Yankees were given during the broadcast. I saw the midnight version and then the cuts on SportsCenter and it was amazing. There was a lot of laughter as they referred to Yankee Stadium as whiffle-ball park and so the back-to-back-to-back jacks were seen as nothing more than a product of whiffle-ball park. The segment they did on the Sox game was awestriking by comparison. From the fat one’s home run to plays in the field to their MEANINGFUL home run inning, to the god of assists, Jacoby Ellsbury, it made me absolutely want to vomit. And the show was capped off by Vina and Phillips being asked about the heated-up race in the AL East and their thoughts on it. Vina was those wonderful Red Sox all the way while Phillips was positive that the spunky Rays would win the whole thing once again.

    I just cannot wait until ESPN is forced to carry and report on the Yankees when they play October baseball this year and when they make it to the World Series.

    Grr!

  30. abe May 21st, 2009 at 11:15 am

    If the save were given on a judgment by the scorer, then Mo would get the save regardless of who pitches the 9th, and I’m sure Mo wouldn’t have pitched the 9th. I was surprised, too. But I would think Girardi knows better about what’s good for Mo’s arm strength than most of us.

    It’s crazy to criticize Girardi’s BP handling, since to me, that’s his strength. Does anybody still remember about bad Torre was? Even with inconsistency of Edwar, Veras, et. el., we have not lost too many games because of mismanagement of BP.

  31. Sam Borden May 21st, 2009 at 11:16 am

    Brian/DB,

    That’s a fair thought to have about Mo/Andy combo, but when Girardi related that story to the media he said Mo said it in a way that indicated otherwise (i.e. not available). I obviously didn’t witness the conversation, so I can only tell you how it went as Girardi related it to us.

    Thanks,
    Sam

  32. Bronx Jeers May 21st, 2009 at 11:16 am

    Mo’s chasing 500 saves. He’s at 490. No doubt he’ll get it but could it be a factor?

    Hope not because that’s a stupid reason.

  33. SJ44 May 21st, 2009 at 11:17 am

    It’s not the number of pitches. It’s the 24 minute wait between half innings.

    It’s risk v. reward. I didn’t think the risk was worth the reward.

    For example, when pitchers throw simulated games, they don’t have them throw 3 pitches, sit, then come out and pitch again because it’s not normal.

    JMO but, I think you always have to err on the side of caution with Mariano.

  34. randy l. May 21st, 2009 at 11:19 am

    off topic, but why do the yankees value walks on offense and a high on base percentage so much, yet let their pitchers walk the most batters in the league ?

    that is a major inconsistency to me.

  35. Rishi May 21st, 2009 at 11:20 am

    Trisha – now imagine that Monday-Thursday,ESPN is my only way to see baseball…fun times :)

  36. Mark in Tampa May 21st, 2009 at 11:24 am

    Likewise, CC came out because he was already in line for the win. If the game was still tied, or he was trailing by one run, he comes out to give him the opportunity for the victory.

    It is a fine line that a manager has to walk. You can’t manage to pad the stats of your players, but if you keep denying them the easy save, for example, or taking the starter out when he has a lead but has only pitched 4 2/3; you can lose the clubhouse after a while.

  37. DB - (officially panicked 5/13/09) May 21st, 2009 at 11:26 am

    Sam, I watched the interview when Girardi said it. I knew exactly what he meant. Why don’t you ask him again or look at the tape.

  38. Uncle Ellsworth (relax Chief) May 21st, 2009 at 11:27 am

    Now if the stupid hitters would stop scoring like madmen in the 7th and 8th innings we wouldn’t have this problem!

  39. Steve B May 21st, 2009 at 11:27 am

    Pure speculation on my part Randy, but I don’t think the coaching staff is actually encouraging the pitchers to walk guys. :)

    It’d be interesting to see whether walks are up league wide. Lot of umps with toaster oven sized strike zones this year it seems. Offense is back up overall. Band boxes and bad pitching are surely part of it, but can’t help but think shrinking K zones aren’t a contributor as well.

  40. Yankee48 May 21st, 2009 at 11:29 am

    On another note, someone mentioned last night’s BBT and how little respect the Yankees were given during the broadcast. I saw the midnight version and then the cuts on SportsCenter and it was amazing. There was a lot of laughter as they referred to Yankee Stadium as whiffle-ball park and so the back-to-back-to-back jacks were seen as nothing more than a product of whiffle-ball park. The segment they did on the Sox game was awestriking by comparison. From the fat one’s home run to plays in the field to their MEANINGFUL home run inning, to the god of assists, Jacoby Ellsbury, it made me absolutely want to vomit. And the show was capped off by Vina and Phillips being asked about the heated-up race in the AL East and their thoughts on it. Vina was those wonderful Red Sox all the way while Phillips was positive that the spunky Rays would win the whole thing once again.

    I just cannot wait until ESPN is forced to carry and report on the Yankees when they play October baseball this year and when they make it to the World Series.

    Grr!

    ————————————————–

    ESPN makes me sick. I can’t watch it. I try, but the bias is gut wrenching. I’m just waiting for big mouth Shilling to get a job with them, I know he’ll get one somewhere, considering he never shuts up, and LOVES giving his opinion…

  41. William Buckner May 21st, 2009 at 11:30 am

    That may have been Girardi’s single worst managerial decision to date.

    For two reasons. The first is the pen cannot afford to lose their only reliable pitcher to date.

    The second is nothing was gained other then a completely over valued statistic. A save.

    That spot had Tompko or Albaledajo written all over it.

    Hopefully Mo feels fine today. That was just monumentally dumb.

    And I hate the “Mo said he felt fine.” reasoning. He shouldn’t have been given a choice.

  42. DB - (officially panicked 5/13/09) May 21st, 2009 at 11:31 am

    I’ve noticed this year especially, Mariano is given a lot more space to make decisions. He is consulted when he wants to come in and be taken out. I know he is the God of relief pitching, but maybe that’s not such a good idea. That’s the real story Sam…

  43. Pat M May 21st, 2009 at 11:31 am

    On the Rivera issue, I was surprised when he came out for the 9th, as he sat for a long time…….How about Young Master Hughes, faces the team that tormented him and many here nad whiffs 9 in 5 innings…Walked one…..There’s a wealth of talent there, just need to refine it…..

  44. ANSKY May 21st, 2009 at 11:31 am

    IMO, they’re different situations.

    Sabathia was out there for 7 innings before the Yanks’ big inning and being lifted.

    Mariano faced what, one batter before the Yanks’ big inning? That’s almost like a dry heave. You know, where a reliever warms up but doesn’t come into the game. That wastes his bullets in the long run.

    Bruney’s long wait and subsequent injury was also in colder weather than Mariano’s was.

    Relievers are different than starters. They prep differently between games, approach games differently, their work/rest patterns are less predictable.

    On a side note, I doubt the Joba-in-the-pen crowd realizes that a starter can go 200-220 innings a season for many years if he’s properly brought along, while a reliever going only 70 innings a season gets Proctorized in a couple seasons. The greater benefit to the team is to have a guy like Joba last 200+ innings for several years. He’d be jeapordizing that potential if he’s not destroyed by a few 70 inning bullpen seasons. Even more so if he goes back & forth. And, if Joba were moved to the pen, his starter’s durability doesn’t necessarily translate to the different workload patterns.

    Mo’s longevity is rare for a reliever. What he can handle and what he can’t have been established. If Mo said he could do it, he could do it. Bruney’s a different beast. He’s only been taking better care of himself for a couple years. Sabathia (like Joba) is a starter. You approach each of them differently when deciding to pull them from a game after a big inning on a cold day, after a rain delay or late in the game.

  45. MaineYankee May 21st, 2009 at 11:31 am

    randy l.
    May 21st, 2009 at 11:19 am
    off topic, but why do the yankees value walks on offense and a high on base percentage so much, yet let their pitchers walk the most batters in the league ?

    that is a major inconsistency to me.

    ———————————————

    Don’t you think that the walks given up is in large part due to the shaky SP at the beginning of the season and will improve now the starters are improving?

  46. Steve B May 21st, 2009 at 11:31 am

    SJ:

    Noticed BC lost in the ACC tourney yesterday. FSU would be pretty tough customers, I’d imagine. Also noticed your nephew drove in one of the Eagles 2 runs.

    Double elimination, I assume???

  47. DB - (officially panicked 5/13/09) May 21st, 2009 at 11:32 am

    I have watched ESPN for a total of 20 minutes this year…if that. Stick with MLB network for your own sanity. They are a lot more objective.

  48. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes May 21st, 2009 at 11:33 am

    Sam,

    I like your article earlier about the winning streak. While it is but 8 games and because the AL East has four solid teams in it, it is a good thing to focus on the positive with the understanding that the bats will cool off. At that time, the pitching has to step up.

    They’re firing on all cylinders right now and the most important thing is staying consistent.

    I love how the Yankees are blending in the youth. Guys like Melky, Gardner, Pena, Robbie, and even Swish. Even if these guys come off the bench as pinch runners or whatever, they seem to add an extra click of energy. Give the older folks more rest too.

    Beyond the bullpen, for me, the current X-Factor is AJ Burnett. That guy needs to turn the corner and put up some solid outings over the next few starts to get himself on track. He is crucial to the staff.

  49. Vincent May 21st, 2009 at 11:33 am

    I agree about your thoughts on MO. Also the fact that my opponent this week in Fantasy Baseball got a save from MO that shouldn’t have happened.

  50. Joey's Poodle May 21st, 2009 at 11:34 am

    Sam,

    Thanks for the good blogging. You manage to give us a good read while also provoking actual baseball discussion in the comments section. Much appreciated.

    As for the special-day theme, you usually manage to relate it somehow to baseball events, and even when it’s a bit of a stretch it’s a lot better than continually slobbering over Brucie.

  51. Doreen May 21st, 2009 at 11:35 am

    I also raised my eyebrows a bit when Mariano was left in. Save or no save, I thought the prudent move was to take him out, even though he only three 3 pitches in the 8th. I also thought it was a good opportunity to Veras or Albaladejo – a pressure-free situation to just go out and throw strikes. Girardi will never admit it was for the save, nor will Mariano. In the long-run, this particular instance probably won’t be an issue. But you don’t want to set a precedent here.

    And I really, really hope the bullpen puts its act together soon, because just in general, I think Mariano should be kept to as many single inning appearances as possible. They did not need Mariano in the 9th inning last night. It’s really that simple.

    So, I think it had to do with securing the save for Mo. And I think Mo was not only okay with it, I’ll be he wanted it.

    Trisha – let them underestimate the Yankees all they want. In the end, it matters not.

    randy l -

    I don’t think they Yankees “let” their pitchers walk so many batters – in fact, I think it eats Girardi’s insides up. And I think most walks allowed in the league is not a record they’re looking to get. :)

  52. Buddy Biancalana-- I ain't no Debbie Downer! May 21st, 2009 at 11:35 am

    It’s amazing that in an 8 run game, rules allow for a save to be awarded.

  53. murphydog May 21st, 2009 at 11:36 am

    “but can’t help but think shrinking K zones aren’t a contributor as well.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04.....pires.html

    Umpire’s revenge.

  54. TaiwanRobin May 21st, 2009 at 11:37 am

    I think the reason is that the primary evaluation for the relief pitchers is “save.” Thus, the manager wanted to give his closer the “save.”
    I think this is kind of related to Peter Abraham’s view of using the best closer in the 8th inning. If no “save” is awarded to the relief pitcher pitching in the most critical situation (e.g., 8th inning to the middle batters), then no manager will send his best closer in the most critical situation. I think “save” is only awarded to the pitcher closing the game.

  55. Paul May 21st, 2009 at 11:37 am

    I think we’re fishing for problems…
    there’s more story to speak of than second guessing manager moves. Arm chair quarterbacking isn’t my favorite type of column to read.

    Before the 8 game streak, there was a lynch mob out. At least it’s gotten a little more quiet.

  56. William Buckner May 21st, 2009 at 11:37 am

    “ESPN makes me sick. I can’t watch it. I try, but the bias is gut wrenching. I’m just waiting for big mouth Shilling to get a job with them, I know he’ll get one somewhere, considering he never shuts up, and LOVES giving his opinion…”

    It was brutal on the 10pm BBTN. We watched just to get some highlights.

    Our bet was which Yankee knock they would use; HR’s, empty seats, Sterling HR calls.

    They went HR’s and made 6 cracks in a 60 second highlight.

    Karl Ravech needs to get over himself. Such a hack.

    John Kruk quote of the night “WHIP, I don’t even know what that means.”

    Unrelated Brian Kenney’s interview with Mayweather was great on 6pm SC.

  57. murphydog May 21st, 2009 at 11:40 am

    “I just cannot wait until ESPN is forced to carry and report on the Yankees when they play October baseball this year and when they make it to the World Series.”

    ESPN has what’s called “invincible ignorance.” If the Yanks get to the WS, ESPN talkingheads will say that the Yankees BOUGHT the trip to the WS with all the FA off season spending and that they had their stadium created to help them hit HRs.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invincible_ignorance

  58. Doreen May 21st, 2009 at 11:40 am

    I also heard the interview where Girardi talked about Mo saying “Andy’s pitching,” and I got the definite vibe that that meant that Mo just assumed he would be getting into the game, and he wanted to get into the game. I didn’t think there was any other way to interpret that conversation.

  59. ANSKY May 21st, 2009 at 11:42 am

    Buddy – Agreed. An 8-run game isn’t a save situation but, technically, it was a save situation when Mo came into the game. Hard to take that away from him just because his team scored after he came in. He came in for a 4-out save and he got lucky.

    I could see the definition of a save being open for discussion though … though I don’t know what I’d think the best result of that discussion would be.

  60. randy l. May 21st, 2009 at 11:42 am

    “Pure speculation on my part Randy, but I don’t think the coaching staff is actually encouraging the pitchers to walk guys. ”

    steve b-

    that’s true, but attacking hitters and pounding the strike zone with strikes doesn’t seem to be pushed aggressively by yankee coaching. hughes last night said that he, not someone else, decided to attack the zone with fastballs and not walk anyone.

    now why wouldn’t that always be the plan of attack ?

  61. Jeff NJ May 21st, 2009 at 11:42 am

    on a related note, Mo is closing in on 500 saves and has an outside chance to catch Trevor Hoffman for the career record. Anyone can see this is a milestone that Mo, Girardi and the yankees want to attain. Last night was an easy save after the runs scored. Why is this so complicated for people to understand?

  62. duuk tsarith May 21st, 2009 at 11:43 am

    “Why pull one but not the other?”

    That’s what she said.

  63. Uncle Ellsworth (relax Chief) May 21st, 2009 at 11:45 am

    Murhydog

    good one with “invincible ignorance.” They also suffer from hubris or as granny would say “are too big for their britches”

  64. William Buckner May 21st, 2009 at 11:47 am

    Peavey to White Sox, if he waives no trade.

  65. murphydog May 21st, 2009 at 11:47 am

    randy 1:

    “now why wouldn’t that always be the plan of attack ?”

    Agree 100%. (I mean, it’s not like they can go with voodoo and sorcery or use the Vulcan mind meld instead).

    Maybe Hughes was just doing his best Nuke LaLoosh impression.

  66. William Buckner May 21st, 2009 at 11:49 am

    Or Peavy, either way.

  67. Hokiehill May 21st, 2009 at 11:49 am

    as terrible as the four letter is in regards to Red Sox bias, I can do no more than shrug and move on…as much as I dislike it, we’d have nowhere near the level of sports coverage we do now with out ESPN…just an evil truth. and while the idea of the MLB network and being able to get baseball highlights without sifting through the NBA, NHL, etc…is appealing, but the MLB Network has come across like a straight to TV B movie vs. The Godfather in regards to quality IMO.

  68. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes May 21st, 2009 at 11:52 am

    Here’s a question for all you ESPN Haters (I include myself within your realm of opinion):

    WHY, WHY, WHY do you watch Baseball Tonight when we now have the MLB Network??? I assume its because maybe your cable provider doesn’t offer it, which is understandable. But if they do, and you don’t watch that channel, you are missing out. I LOVE MLB Network.

    Firing Harold Reynolds or forcing him to resign was the worst decision they made. That guy was their best analyst bar none. Ever since that decision, I have detested BBTN. Kruk’s ugly grill, Ravech’s anti-Yankee sentiments, and Gammons’ everything-Boston-all-the-time is just tired.

    I do like Olney though.

  69. murphydog May 21st, 2009 at 11:52 am

    Uncle Ellsworth (relax Chief):

    Grannydog (my maternal grandmother) was a little more plainspoken than “bigger than their britches.” For example I can hear her say of Mr. Kruk that he was a 10 pound quantity of excrement in a bag meant only to hold 5 lbs – expletives deleted of course.

    Good old Grannydog.

  70. DB - (officially panicked 5/13/09) May 21st, 2009 at 11:53 am

    Jeff, its not complicated. But, the media jump all over it because Mo is 39 and “not a lot of bullets in the tank left”. Or so they say. I have absolutely no problem with it. He got another easy save and barely taxed his arm. He was throwing it right down the middle and letting them hit it. He might as well been playing catch in the back yard.

  71. Uncle Ellsworth (relax Chief) May 21st, 2009 at 11:54 am

    MLB gives you more of the game and less bs.

    The real or perceived sox bias apart espn has been going downhill for years

  72. JT May 21st, 2009 at 11:54 am

    Giradi left Mo out there to pitch the 9th because, despite it being a 8 run lead, who knows what could happen with the pen. If Girardi takes out Mo, Veras could come in and start throwing the game away. Girardi probably didnt wanna use Bruney cause he just got off the DL and worked the night before. Aceves and Coke had already pitched so therefore the only lefts to pitch the 9th other than Mo was Veras, Albaladejo and Tomko.

    It may have a 8 run lead but the chances of Veras and/or Albaladejo coming in and throwing the game away is pretty high. Girardi could have went with Tomko but Veras was already warmed up and Tomko wasnt.

  73. Tex's Friend (Soon the starting 5 will dominate again!) May 21st, 2009 at 11:54 am

    kruk is an idiot, last night he chose boston to win the division because of starting pitching? the same starting pitching that is dead last in the al in era.

  74. Stultus Magnus (Storm the Moat) May 21st, 2009 at 11:54 am

    Yes, kudos murphydog.

    i can put a name to my girlfriend’s tendencies…

  75. AC May 21st, 2009 at 11:54 am

    I don’t think the two decisions are inconsistent at all. It’s a matter of “insurance”. If Joe takes out CC and something goes wrong, he has Mo as the backup. If Joe takes out Mo and something goes wrong, there’s no backup. It’s more a statement about the fear that the rest of the guys in the bullpen might actually blow a 7 run lead in the 9th.

  76. murphydog May 21st, 2009 at 11:55 am

    “WHY, WHY, WHY do you watch Baseball Tonight when we now have the MLB Network???”

    The path to true wisdom is not having all the answers. Rather, true wisdom is asking the right questions. That, my friend, was an excellent and wise question indeed.

  77. Yankeejewboy May 21st, 2009 at 11:57 am

    I disagree if it’s a save situation you leave him in and you never know what the bullpen would give up and u can’t bring him back in

  78. Uncle Ellsworth (relax Chief) May 21st, 2009 at 11:57 am

    grannydog – classic

    I don’t watch espn much at all anymore.

    I have a friend that is convinced that ESPN has a pro Yanks stance – he’s a twins fan

  79. Coach6423 May 21st, 2009 at 11:58 am

    If Veras, Alby, Tomko, and Bruney can not hold an 8 run lead, then we are going no where in a hurry anyway. No reason to send Mo back out.

  80. Jerkface May 21st, 2009 at 11:58 am

    Because the yankees also value high K rates and power stuff pitchers, and those usually walk a lot. They probably feel like they have a system that could help reduce the BB rates but then it proves to not work.

  81. murphydog May 21st, 2009 at 11:59 am

    “i can put a name to my girlfriend’s tendencies…”

    Yes, but if you tried to explain this to her, you would lose the argument because she employs the tactic of… wait for it… invincible ignorance.

    It’s why we have sports blogs, my friend.

  82. randy l. May 21st, 2009 at 11:59 am

    murphydog-

    i though hughes showed as much as i’ve ever seen with him.

    home runs will happen when you pound the zone, but if done consistently, it limits the damage because there are hardly any walks and makes a pitcher much more consistent.

    hughes was aggressive, and i think that he learned something that will stick with him . being too fine is not the way for him to pitch.his stuff is too good for that.

  83. SJ44 May 21st, 2009 at 11:59 am

    Randy,

    I think pitching aggressively is part of the plan. They just have several guys who aren’t good at it.

    Steve,

    They play 3 games and the teams with the 2 best records, including tiebreakers, advance to the final.

    He threw out the best base stealer in yhe ACC and also scored their second run yesterday. That tied the BC single season record for runs scored.

    Not bad for a catcher.

    Not bad for a catcher.

  84. raymagnetic - Papi Stinks haha May 21st, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    Anybody who was on last night knows how I (and Guiseppe Franco and Richie) felt about the situation.

    After having slept on it I still feel the same way I felt last night. It wasn’t a smart move at all.

  85. Rishi May 21st, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    I’m in hotel rooms 4 nights out of the week so mlb network is currently not an option…hence why I’m always asking for recaps/post game interview nuggest in the game thread

  86. trisha - OPPC member and proud of it May 21st, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    I am going to probably have to try to go cold turkey with ESPN. When the Yankees are on a losing streak I make it a point not to watch any of the sports broadcasts or read any of the sports columns. I don’t need “home”spun reminders of what I’ve seen with my own eyes. But when something special happens of course I just can’t wait to go to BBT. Why is beyond me, and now with MLB on television it seems that ESPN is taking it out on the Yankees somehow! Kind of like kicking the dog when you’ve had a bad day at work.

    In any event, I think Murphydog hit it cold. No good deed will go unrewarded and anything that the Yankees do well will be dressed by ESPN in dollar signs with crap pockets. So adios YFers. (I do have to say though that I will never forget when DA MELK had the number one web gem one night.)

    Okay kids, name that catch!

  87. Joey Vegas May 21st, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    I disagree. When you can give your HOF closer a cheap save, you do it. Same with bringing him in with the tying run in the on deck circle. He’s earned it.

  88. William Buckner May 21st, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    “WHY, WHY, WHY do you watch Baseball Tonight when we now have the MLB Network???”

    I’ve watched some MLB Network and don’t find it much better. Huge fan of Reynolds.

    Maybe I’ll give it a try. I think I’m drawn to ESPN by force of habit.

    Truth be told, I like their NFL, NBA, NCAAB, and NCAAF guys. Baseball guys are just bad. Pretty much across the board.

    I do like Tim Kurjean (sp). Thats about it.

  89. murphydog May 21st, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    “I have a friend that is convinced that ESPN has a pro Yanks stance – he’s a twins fan”

    Twins fan, eh? Hope he enjoys that new OPENAIR stadium they’re building.

  90. DB - (officially panicked 5/13/09) May 21st, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    Girardi said he left him in to build arm strength, but everyone knows it was to record his 490th save. Get over it, it was a gamble of the future indeed with the Phillies coming to town. Let’s just hope and pray it doesn’t cost us a game this weekend. I do think Bruney can close a game out if needed and I’m sure Mo will be available Friday.

    The only way it will blow up in Girardi’s face is if he is presented with a save situation tonight and tommorrow. Hopefully, we can take care of business tonight and blew them out again.

  91. Tom in N.J. May 21st, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    10 pounds of sausage in a 5 pound bag.

    My mother would say that very often when she’d take us kids down to Seaside Heights.

    Never heard my dad complain about it though…

  92. murphydog May 21st, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    “I’m in hotel rooms 4 nights out of the week so mlb network is currently not an option…”

    So you’re either a hooker or Gideon Bible salseperson?
    (just kidding).

    When I’m on the road for business, I’ll listen to Joe Morgan and Jon Miller glady, without hesitation. It’s just such a comfort to watch baseball if I’m stuck working by myself in a strange town that I can put aside Morgan’s idiocy and enjoy the game.

    At home, however, I gotta do better than ESPN for things MLB.

  93. Yankeejewboy May 21st, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    Closers go 4 saves

  94. m May 21st, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    Damn those insurance runs! Otherwise, there wouldn’t be a problem right?

    I wasn’t watching. Why did mo go into the game? Was it to clean up somebody’s mess?

  95. trisha - OPPC member and proud of it May 21st, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    *Sam Borden, this one’s for you.*

    Since it seems that you do read along at certain points, here’s an important question for you. Do you eat french fries with brown gravy???

    I think you would have loved the discussion we had one evening during a pretty resounding Yankee win (that’s the only time it seems that we get to enjoy each other’s company and were probably so relieved to be witnessing a resounding win and not having to deal with the doom and gloom crowd that we let our hair down and discussed food AND the game!) Anyway the variety of things that people put on french fries was pretty amazing. I had never heard of fries and brown gravy.

  96. rob May 21st, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    I used to work in room service. Chris Duncan (great guy, great tipper) of the St Louis Cardinals was a regular to order dinner to his room after games. This is when Shelley was playing for the Yankees and coming up with clutch home runs. As a Yankees fan, as cool as it was to talk to Chris, I kept asking about his brother. I started to notice the more I asked, the lower my tip. I guess that’s what you call brotherly love.

  97. DB - (officially panicked 5/13/09) May 21st, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    Mr Buckner, for all that is holy and your sanity…repent and shut ESPN off.

    MLB network is actually quite good…Mitch Williams gots some good quips and Ripken is tolerable. Dig Lieter also. Not so pleased with Magrane (pompous) and thst other tool that was on the red sox last year…forgot his name. His comments are just stupid and he moves around to much, to the point where its annoying.

  98. murphydog May 21st, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    randy 1:

    “hughes was aggressive, and i think that he learned something that will stick with him . being too fine is not the way for him to pitch.his stuff is too good for that.”

    Agreed. I almost think (almost) that Phil is having an identity crisis, trying to do what the coaches and instructors are telling him instead of being himself. Trying to be something you are not is a recipe for failure -the MLB hitters will expose you pretty fast. It’s like what Coney and Leiter say about throwing the wrong pitch with convicition instead of the right pitch halfheartedly.

  99. trisha - OPPC member and proud of it May 21st, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    WB, I too like Tim Kurkjian (I think that’s the correct spelling). But that’s pretty much where it ends.

  100. frankiedue May 21st, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    I’m a little late to the discussion, but I was suprised Mo went out there for the 9th. My thing is, what if the yankees need him tonight and tomorrow? Will he be unavailable tomorrow because that would be 3 days in a row? Why waste his bullets when we have a huge lead. We also could have given someone else like veras some work in a low pressure situation and built up his confidence.

  101. Tantron Willoughby Opec member May 21st, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    Espn is what the rest of America thinks of the NYY. I didn’t know there were so many thin skinned New Yawkas.

  102. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes May 21st, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    Buckner,

    I agree, Kurkjian is solid too. I wish he and Olney headed BBTN.

    MLB Network is still young so while it has its imperfections, it is a step in the right direction with guys like Reynolds.

    Billy Ripken kind of perplexes me too. I miss Tony Gwynn.

  103. Rishi May 21st, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    murphydog
    May 21st, 2009 at 12:06 pm
    “I’m in hotel rooms 4 nights out of the week so mlb network is currently not an option…”

    So you’re either a hooker or Gideon Bible salseperson?
    (just kidding).
    ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

    Business Consultant :) so probably a little of both…at home is MLB Network and YES all the way

  104. Forntoso May 21st, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    Why would Peavy want to go to the White Sox?

    1. They are in the AL
    2. They are not very good
    3. They are Chicago’s “other team” and are basically ignored.

    If I were him, I’d rather stay in SD.

  105. Bill May 21st, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    I agree. That decision was made purely in the interest of getting Mo a save. The team is much better served keeping him fresh than letting him pile up stats. Mo will still get to 500 saves that’s not a question, so we can afford to be patient with how we go about it. Plus if he gets injured from pitching an extra inning after a long layoff he’s going to be losing saves then anyway.

  106. DB - (officially panicked 5/13/09) May 21st, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    Tom in NJ, (grew up in Jackson btw) my favorite line form my Dad growing up was “your sister’s ___ (behind)!” when something didnt go his way.

  107. trisha - OPPC member and proud of it May 21st, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    DB, swear to God my dad used the same expression – only he would say “behind” and not the censored word because my parents were pretty antiseptic with their language!

    :)

  108. murphydog May 21st, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    Rishi:

    “at home is MLB Network and YES all the way”

    Yup. Me too.

  109. just a fan May 21st, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    some awful arguments in this post.

    first, i agree that he probably should have taken Mo out of the game. and i also agree that it’s not a big deal at all.

    BUT…

    1. the CC comparison is silly and absurd. CC has pitched 110-120 pitches every time out, and had just finished 7 HIGH-STRESS innings of a 1 run game. he had thrown about 90 pitches.

    Mo threw 3 pitches. he hadn’t pitched in 2 days. he was completely and totally fine.

    the situations have absolutely nothing to do with one another and there is ZERO “inconsistency”.

    2. the Bruney comparison: also terrible. Bruney got hurt because HE KEPT THROWING IN THE BULLPEN. Mariano was SITTING IN THE DUGOUT.

    again, the situations have nothing to do with each other.

    i’m amazed that these 2 simple points escaped you.

  110. just a fan May 21st, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    “The only way it will blow up in Girardi’s face is if he is presented with a save situation tonight and tommorrow.”

    and he would use him 3 days in a row.

    you guys are acting like Mariano CAME IN THE GAME with the big lead. he was ALREADY in the game.

    which means he already warmed up in the bullpen, and he already faced a batter.

    there is almost no additional strain b/c he pitched the 9th, b/c it was a STRESS-FREE inning.

    he basically just threw batting practice and let the hitters get themselves out.

    NOTHING TO SEE HERE….

  111. murphydog May 21st, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    “your sister’s _ (behind)!”

    My Italian grandmother, Nonna-dog, would say something very much like this but in Italian and it sounded seriously bad.

    I gotta say that despite the fact that apparently almost none of my father’s Italian DNA made it through to me, I can truly appreciate the fact that nobody curses with more gusto and creativity than the Italians.

  112. Christina May 21st, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    A question to the yankee fans,

    Why do you care who the ESPN favors? It makes you sick that they are glorifying the Red Sox. Then dont watch it. You have your own network. I bet most of you here didnt mind when Gammons talked to Arod about his use of steroids and he went easy on him.

  113. DB - (officially panicked 5/13/09) May 21st, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    Without a doubt, its an italian expression…gotta love it.

    Just a fan, I don’t think it’s really an issue either. Just don’t like the karma aspect of it…seems to have too much murphy’s law potential to it.

  114. Dan May 21st, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    Girardi wanted to get MO the save. His heart was in the right place. MO will appreciate that gesture by him.

  115. Stuckey May 21st, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    The moral of this story..?

    Winning streaks for bad for sports bloggers.

  116. National TV May 21st, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    My feeling on ESPN is this:

    Everyone, in every region, state, city, etc., is going to whine about a bias, real or imagined, against their team(s). Same with most national broadcasts. Still wonder how FOX can have an anti-Yankees and anti-Red Sox bias at the same time…during the same game….but according to the fans of the respective teams, they do.

    Bottom line is that if you want to hear chronic suck-uppery and Kevin Bacon-like “all is well” talk, watching YES, NESN, MASN, or whatever available local option, is the best way to go.

  117. Rishi May 21st, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    new post

  118. DB - (officially panicked 5/13/09) May 21st, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    Christina, did you come on to a Yankees blog just to tell us don’t complain that ESPN favors the red sox? seriously?

    If you didn’t notice, ESPN is a national network. They shouldn’t be RS biased just because it is based in Boston and most of the network heads live there.

  119. trisha - OPPC member and proud of it May 21st, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    murphydog, I am 100% Italian and that swear stuff in Italian wasn’t around me. But being all Italian, I did have friends who did have that stuff around them, so I got to hear the really bad Italian swears that you wouldn’t dare say in your house. And I got to hear them said with gusto!

    At home we were allowed to say (forget the spelling, you’ll recognize the word) fah-nah-bola. I always thought of that as “oh nuts”; we’d get killed for fahn-ghoul.

    :lol:

  120. murphydog May 21st, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    “I bet most of you here didnt mind when Gammons talked to Arod about his use of steroids and he went easy on him.”

    I personally don’t have a beef with Gammons. I know that he loves the game and that he made his bones long before ESPN and is generally respected. He shouldn’t, however, have gone easy on A-Rod. (But it has struck me that as he gets older, he does look like he could be Paul McCartney’s brother).

    I don’t/won’t watch ESPN, I just use their website for free for things like fantasy baseball and access to statistics.

  121. no.27 May 21st, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    Another difference between situations is that if CC comes out and the bullpen opens the door for the Orioles to come back, Mo can come in and shut them down. If Mo comes out last night and the bullpen falls apart, there’s no one else to bring in.

    My question in the situation is why is Mariano pitching in the 8th to begin with? I think the criticism of Girardi in this situation needs to be his willingness to use Mariano in the 8th inning and in non save situations. Coke came in and gave up and infield single, got 2 outs without the runner advancing, and then was taken out so Mo could face Mora. He just got Markakis and Huff out, leave him in.

  122. just a fan May 21st, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    “Coke came in and gave up and infield single, got 2 outs without the runner advancing, and then was taken out so Mo could face Mora. He just got Markakis and Huff out, leave him in.”

    sure, and i am POSITIVE you’d be singing the same tune if lefty Coke gives up a game tying HR to righty Mora….

    going to Mo was fine. it’s called going for the throat and locking down a win.

    what’s wrong with that?

  123. Christina May 21st, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    When you complain about ESPN you sound like spoiled children who have a fit when they dont get their way. You make it sound like its the Yankees against the world. Not everybody is obligated to worship the Yankees.Maybe some people from ESPN dont like the team but not everybody feels the same way. I went to the April 26 game and I can tell you that Steve Phillips, Joe Morgan and another guy were talking with Girardi on the field for at least 20 minutes.

  124. Tantron Willoughby Opec member May 21st, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    I remember the good old days walking 13th St. in Brooklyn and punks standing by the door ways calling anyone they disliked: balogna head. What a glorious Italian memory lolololol

  125. T15D23 May 21st, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    Shhh. Don’t say anything, but the reason we didn’t make the post season last year was because of Girardi. Many slammed Torre for his bullpen use, but with Girardi none of what he does or brings to the team ends up helping the team succeed. At the very least, his inconsistent ability to actually manage lost us anywhere from 10-12 games last season.

    I want to enjoy this good run, but fear the outcome will be the same this year, where we will not get to the playoffs or be out managed in the first round should we make it.

    Guess Torre owed more to Torre than to George’s pocket.

  126. sab May 21st, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    Yes now something I can add (and relate)to: being born in italy and raised in brooklyn..

    vafanapoli is the equivalent of “stick it in your ear” instead of sticking it somewhere else…which is what vafangulo is(misspelled to protect the innocent)..

    your sister’s (or mother’s) bleep at least the one i know isn’t the derriere but the “other” thing that will not be mentioned…written “la fessa di mama”…
    btw – ALOT of these expressions are used quite often in my household relating to the yankees (or their opponents)during games..

    i can write a book on how many of these expressions exist in the italian vernacular….

    thanks for bringing it up..

  127. Joe T. May 21st, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    Mo wanted to pitch. He got some work in to his benefit. No need to over think it.

  128. Andrew May 21st, 2009 at 2:18 pm

    14 pitches… you’re getting all worked up over nothing.

  129. dino May 21st, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    Not fully back to his normal self from off season surgery, he needs to pitch in ACTUAL GAME ACTION to continue and build arm strength so he can quickly be back at full form. I dont care one way or the other, obviously, Mo and Girardi felt he needed the work and the more he throws the quicker he gets back up to full speed. Id rather see him give up a homer in a 11-3 game than walk someone. At least he was throwing strikes down the middle. People will say hes giving up more homers than ever blah blah blah. As he continues to get stronger over the summer i doubt hell give up many more, if any, aside from maybe the rare occasional “wow did that feeble swing really generate a homer in our brand new spanking launching pad of a park”. The most telling thing is that although not 100% hes pitched 17.2 innings while striking out an absurd 22, while walking an equally absurd 1 batter.

  130. BG90027 May 21st, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    I’m not sure there’s really a “right” call here. I could accept that with a 24 minute wait between innings and a large lead that it might not be worth whatever level of injury risk there is to send him out there. I can also accept the argument that he hadn’t pitched in 3 days, needs work to build arm strength and that it was reasonable to send him back out on a short leash to get some work in. I think we’re overanalyzing this.

    I don’t believe for a second though that Girardi sent him out again so he could pick up a save though. I think he wanted him to get some work in.

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