Game 49: Yankees at Indians
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on May 30, 2009 
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YANKEES (28-20)
Derek Jeter SS
Johnny Damon LF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Jorge Posada C
Hideki Matsui DH
Nick Swisher RF
Brett Gardner CF
Pitching: LHP CC Sabathia (4-3, 3.42).
INDIANS (21-29)
Asdrubal Cabrera SS
Grady Sizemore DH
Victor Martinez C
Jhonny Peralta 3B
Shin-Soo Choo RF
Mark DeRosa LF
Ryan Garko 1B
Ben Francisco CF
Jamey Carroll 2B
Pitching: RHP Fausto Carmona (2-4, 6.42).
TIME/TV: 7:05 p.m. YES.
ON A ROLL: The Yankees have won two straight, three of four and 13 of 16.
ROAD WARRIORS: The Yankees are 14-11 on the road, the best mark in the American League.
STREAKS: Derek Jeter has hit safely in 12 straight and Mark Teixeira in 11 straight.
KEEP IT CLEAN: The Yankees have not made an error in 15 consecutive games. That ties several teams for the second-longest streak in Major League history. The record is 17 games by the Red Sox from June 11-30, 2006. This from the Elias Sports Bureau.
LEADING MAN: This from the Yankees notes: Jeter has led off the Yankees’ half of the first with a hit in each of the team’s last five games. He has hit safely while leading off the first inning in seven of his last eight games with five singles and two doubles. Jeter has reached base safely (via hit, walk or HBP) in nine of his last 13 such plate appearances, going 8 for 12 (.750) with one walk.
NO COINCIDENCE: The Yankees are 15-5 with Alex Rodriguez in the lineup.
ONE STREAK ENDS: When Robinson Cano struck out in the first inning last night it ended a streak of 54 consecutive plate appearances without a K.
IT’S ALL ABOUT PITCHING: How the Yankees have pitched in the last 16 games: 148 innings, 132 hits, 54 earned runs, 64 walks, 115 strikeouts. That’s a 3.28 ERA.
CC GETS IT DONE: The big lefty is 3-0, 1.74 in his last four starts. He lost to Cleveland on April 16, giving up only one run over 5.2 innings but throwing 122 pitches. This will be his first game at Progressive Field as an opponent.
JETER ALWAYS SCORES: And he’s a very good baseball player. The Captain needs three runs to become one of four active players with 1,500. The others are Ken Griffey Jr. (1,626), Alex Rodriguez (1,616) and Gary Sheffield (1,497).
The only Yankees with 1,500 runs scored are guys named Ruth (1,959), Gehrig (1,888) and Mantle (1,677).
CLEVELAND ROCKS, JUST NOT AGAINST THE YANKEES: The Yankees have won 12 of their last 18 games against the Tribe.
MINOR MATTERS: Kei Igawa (5-1, 3.39) won again last night. He still would have to buy a ticket to get into Yankee Stadium. Good thing he didn’t cost $46 million. … Austin Jackson was 0 for 4 last night but is still rocking to a .348/.426/.439 tune. He has yet to hit a home run but has stolen nine bases in as many attempts. … Wilikin De La Rosa won for Trenton last night and dropped his ERA to 3.95. He has struck out 26 in 27.1 innings. … Pat Venditte did it again last night for Charleston, picking up his 14th save. His line this season: 21 innings, 16 hits, 2 earned runs, 1 walk, 32 strikeouts. Opponents are hitting .208 against him. It’ll be very interesting to see whether his stuff translates to a higher level. He turns 24 in a month, so if they’re going to challenge him it could be soon.
Back with much more later on.
UPDATE, 5:39 p.m.: A few medical updates:
• Andy Pettitte felt much better and in fact rode a bike and played catch. He said he’ll be ready for his next start.
• Melky Cabrera is taking swings and on track for Monday.
• Jose Molina caught three innings in Florida. They’re off tomorrow. He’ll probably play in Florida on Monday and Tuesday then he close to activation.
• Xavier Nady played in Florida as well.
UPDATE, 7:19 p.m: There has barely been a reaction to CC Sabathia here at Progressive Field. If anything, it has been cheers from the many Yankee fans in the stands.
Beautiful night at the ballpark and there’s a nice crowd on hand. The Yankees are a full game ahead in first as Boston lost to Toronto.
I have some newspaper work to do, but I’ll check in from time to time. Betcha CC throws a gem.
UPDATE, 7:26 p.m.: Martinez just fouled a ball off his knee and hasn’t gotten up. How can he keep catching?
UPDATE, 7:28 p.m.: After a lengthy delay, Martinez is staying in the game.
UPDATE, 7:32 p.m.: That was bizarre. They let Martinez stay in the game he grounded to second. He barely hobbled 20 feet. Now he’s out and Kelly Shoppach is catching.
UPDATE, 7:34 p.m.: Posada goes deep to right field and the Yankees lead 1-0. When I covered the Mets the topic of conversation was often about Mike Piazza’s catching abilities or lack thereof. I remember one Mets coaching telling me, “You know how he helps the catcher? By hitting a lot of bleeping home runs. That’s how.”
The same is true of Posada. He’s a great catcher because he’s twice the hitter of any other catcher.
Now Swisher crushes one to center. 2-0 Yankees.
UPDATE, 7:41 p.m.: I have a hunch that those two runs are all Mr. Sabathia will need tonight.
UPDATE, 8:18 p.m.: Yankees pouring it on here against the once-resolute Fausto Carmona. Three runs in and two outs and two on. Yankees lead 5-0. Big edge for CC.
UPDATE, 8:21 p.m.: That heads-up play by Jeter helped the Yankees score a few more as they go up 7-0 on Cano’s two-run single.
Meanwhile, A-Rod still isn’t running very well. He was sort of coasting from first to third and got thrown out easily. You can tell in the field and on the base paths that his hip is still bothering him to some degree, which is what you would expect give that he had surgery.
UPDATE, 8:34 p.m.: Carsten Charles is cruising along. 4 innings, 0 hits, 0 runs, 1 walk, 4 strikeouts. 48 pitches, 33 strikes. The Indians haven’t had anything that even has come close to a hit.
Impressive stuff.
UPDATE, 8:36 p.m.: A flock of seagulls (actual birds, not the cheesy band) has settled into right field.
UPDATE, 8:46 p.m.: Sabathia deflected that ball or it might have been an out. So much for the no hitter. The Yankees will have to settle for winning for the 14th time in 17 games.
UDATE, 9:13 p.m.: The Goodyear blimp is overhead for some reason. Its sort of like that scene in Scarface.
UPDATE, 9:16 p.m.: Ohio native Jason Zillo, the Yankees media relations director, is keeping a close eye on the Cavs-Magic game. Game 7 would be here on Monday. But there are no plans to switch the Yankees-Indians to a day game as the game is on ESPN.
If the LeBrons are playing to go to the Finals, there might be 5,000 fans here. But they need to win tonight first.
UPDATE, 9:34 p.m.: CC is over 100 pitches here in the seventh and appears to be laboring. But no action in the Yankee pen. Looks like he’ll go seven and then turn it over.
UPDATE, 10:07 p.m.: Yankees pouring on the offense against Tomo Ohka. They’ve been pretty relentless lately. It’s 10-3 and the roll continues.
UPDATE, 10:12 p.m.: Boy, Veras is brutal. He has allowed the first batter to reach 11 times in 22 appearances.
UPDATE, 10:18 p.m.: The Yankees are playing great baseball. But this team would be even better without Veras and Berroa, who have no use at this point. They need a better arm than Veras (which would be anybody) and a position player who can pinch hit. Somebody like Shelley Duncan or John Rodriguez.
Lets Go Yanks!
“is anyone watching enough sox games to tell me what exactly is going on with ortiz? please no steroids jokes. ”
Is it actually possible to talk about Ortiz w/o mentioning steroids? Well, I’ll give it a shot. I haven’t seen him (I only watch BOS when I absolutely have to – when they play the Yanks), but the word appearing in baseball articles and in podcasts is that he has lost a ton of bat speed. He’s missing a lot and when he does hit the ball, it doesn’t go as far as it used to. Also hurting him is the fact that Manny is in LAD. Teams no longer pitch to him because 1)he sucks and 2)his protection is gone. The fear is gone and so apparently is his baseball career.
as a baseball fan, it doesn’t make me happy to see ortiz regressing .
i’m glad the red sox are missing a big force in their line up , but ortiz seems like a good guy and watching someone as good as he was struggle isn’t fun to watch.
also, he has the kind of body that goes fast when it goes. no one nows for sure if he was a serious steroid user. there are other explanations for the on going slump.
if however it is steroid related, he may just be going through a period where his body is weak while it adjusts to making his own testosterone again.
no matter what it is i, don’t root for someone like ortiz to have his career falling apart.
CC’s going to have to keep his emotions under control – if he can get past the first inning, he should be ok. I was very surprised he got booed at the basketball game as, by all accounts, he was beloved in Cleveland.
Carmona is always tough on the Yankees, including last out (during which period he had been struggling), so I’m not sure what to expect tonight.
I love the errorless streak……
Jeter needs two hits to move into a tie for 75th all-time. 127 more hits will tie him with Lou Gehrig for the all-time Yankee lead.
CMON BIG CC
CMON BIG CC
I’ve been observing ortiz for a few years, this season I think he’s not sptiing into his palms enough between pitches.
Maybe it’s a hydration issue.
*spitting
Ortiz is a good guy personality wise, My dads co-worker knows him quite well. Is it hard to discuss his name without steroids? I mean, in the situation he’s in it’s very difficult.
Two month’s have basically passed and he has 18 RBI’s, thats 9 RBI per month. Insane really.
Let’s try this again:
The Francesa rant remix:
http://tinyurl.com/nmntvk
“is anyone watching enough sox games to tell me what exactly is going on with ortiz? please no steroids jokes. ”
Keith Law says that it’s common for unathletic (out of shape) players who don’t play the field to drop off very quickly when they hit a certain age. Of course the others were probably…oh, I can’t mention that, no?
I think Big Papi needs to see Manny’s OB/GYN
i live in boston and watch a lot of sox games – from what i can tell, it looks almost like ortiz has lost a lot of the balance in his swing. his stride is too long, and his head moves too much as a result. that also brings his weight too far forward, and it looks like he’s not able to use his back hip as a pivot the way he used to.
i think it’s because (as others have said), he’s not seeing as many good pitches to hit – he’s getting fooled more often, and he’s not able to predict what’s coming. he might be tricked up by wondering if the pitch will be offspeed, which makes him stride too early/too long.
Ortiz’s decline could be due to the combination of age and carrying a big frame as it could with anything else. Not trying to be pollyanish here, but he never exactly walked around with a build that screamed out “career longevity.”
I agree that he’s always been a hard guy to genuinely dislike, regardless of the uniform he wore.
Sox down 5-3 in the 8th
well, i certainly don’t hope ortiz regains his form as the red sox are within a half-game of first without their best hitter/run producer, so getting him back would be bad news for the yanks.
is it a wrist thing? the lost power and bat speed?
i understand that the steroid conversation is a given here, especially with the way his production spiked from the twins to the sox.
randy, you’re right. he does have the kind of body that, when it starts to break down, the decline would be steep and rapid. maybe that’s the deal.
And, The Greek God Of Strikeouts has number 3 for the day. He’s on pace to walk 65 times this year.
All about hitting with RISP against Carmona and staying out of the DP
He doesn’t give up many HRs and doesn’t even give up a lot of hits for a guy with his ERA (only 2 more hits than IP). He does however walk the ballpark.
The key is to be patient. Don’t give him any easy outs or have lazy ABs.
Dustin Pedroyer doesn’t need protection. He *is* the protection!
randy l -
I’m with you. It’s really not fun to watch someone’s skills go south before your eyes. As a Yankees fan, I am glad Ortiz is not the fearsome hitter he has been for them. But this much of a decline so quickly is not good, no matter what the reason. Even sadder, actually, if it has to do with steroids.
86w183 May 30th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
I think Big Papi needs to see Manny’s OB/GYN
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Pretty funny!
“is anyone watching enough sox games to tell me what exactly is going on with ortiz? please no steroids jokes. ”
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From what I”ve seen his swing is long and like others have said no bat speed. Pitches he had crushed before are either swing and miss or fly ball outs. Also not good against breaking balls either.
I’m glad Bif Papi’s regressing.
That’s just because I’m a Yankee more than baseball fan.
Bif is Big.
Power hitters, runningbacks and centers in basketball fall hard and fall fast.
Once Big Guys like Ortiz, Mo Vaugn, and C. Fielder lose a split second of bat speed, be it from injury or being out of shape, it’s all over.
Ortiz is so bad right now, I kind of hope he starts hitting a LITTLE bit just so he stays in Boston’s lineup. He’s flirting with a level of ineptitude that will make it possible, from a PR standpoint, for the RS to send him packing.
We saw this with Giambi 4 years ago
Wow Big Sloppy is 0-3 with 2K’s today. Hitting a robust .186 for the season. Watch out!
any word on the lineup?
The only reason why I would say Ortiz probably did steroids is that he said a couple of years ago, “I stopped drinking those protein shakes [in the DR] because you never know what’s in them.
It sounded like a pre-emptive excuse to me. If you’ve never taken anything, then why say anything?
Giambi never was this bad.
Two things:
“JETER ALWAYS SCORES: And he’s a very good baseball player.”
Ha!
And Gary Sheffield has 1616 runs, not 1497, according to baseball-reference.
Enough touchy feely bleeding heart stuff guys.
You think any Sawx fan felt bad that Mattingly’s back made him a shell of himself for the second half of his career? Were tears shed on the Cape of Cod when Bernie Williams couldn’t make plays in CF any more?
Please
Popi’s decline is what it is and it seems like a good thing to me. Now maybe Youkilis can get Vertigo and Papelbon can contract hoof and mouth disease (he seems susceptible)
“And, The Greek God Of Strikeouts has number 3 for the day.”
No crocodile tears from me, he’s had 2 WS championships, more then a lot of other players.
“JETER ALWAYS SCORES: And he’s a very good baseball player.”
http://instantrimshot.com/
I myself love seeing that big hole in the middle of the order for the Sox, but seeing Ortiz struggle like he has is sad to see.. He is a great guy in the clubhouse and as a person he is just as likeable. Watching alot of sports media shows in NH, the locals have no answers to Papi’s struggles, but are losing patience as well.. As for reasons, maybe it’s missing Manny or just lost his mechanics, but I don’t miss his production cause he has killed the Yanks repeatedly over the years. He was the reason the Yanks feared Boston, not Manny!
“Dustin Pedroyer doesn’t need protection. He is the protection!”
And I’ll hate Ortiz’s hypocritical guts even more if it turns out he did steroids. Acting all indignant when others were outed.
I doubt we will know the REAL Ortiz story until Francona writes his book.
Maybe there will be a chapter how Father Tito found Big Papi on the clubhouse floor crying with his Shrek uni ripped to shreds. “I want my Big Momi”, screamed Big Papi.
Father Tito became flustered- then quickly remembered how his good pal Saint Joe would handle things.
Suck it up big guy, said Father Tito. Don’t be a quitter. Maybe some fries and a shake will turn that frown upside down….
m
He also talked about not always being able to read English so he might not know what was in some supplements.
The situation with Pat Venditte is really interesting. For anyone that doesn’t know about him, he’s a switch pitcher; he can pitch with both arms.
Here’s a video of him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U2xkHOTvvw
I hope he gets a shot with the Yankees soon. With the bullpen the way it is right now, who knows?
A switch-pitcher… what a weapon. Hope he makes it to the show.
Pitchers are pitching him differently. A lot of Big Papi’s aura came from the fact that he had Manny behind him. That 1-2 punch was deadly.
Now that pitchers know Ortiz doesn’t have that behind him anymore, they are attacking him. They are not timid. Couple that with his obvious decline in bat speed and you have a AAAA player.
Not to mention, I doubt he is really 33.
1 more out in the 9th until the Sox lose!
Toronto Wins!
I hope he goes 0-12 the next three games we meet. I’d really prefer 0-15 or 0-16.
What I remember is our 0-5 against the Sox early and how lousy they always treat our players in Fenway.
Downs nails it for win. Nice!
YES!!!
We keep first for one more day!
I feel sorry for Ortiz. I can’t imagine from going from one of the all time clutch hitters and most feared hitters in baseball to what he is now this quick.
That said, I hope Francona keeps stubbornly writing his name in the lineup every single day. He’s untradable. He’s on the books for a lot of money for several more years.
I’m happy to see the Red Sox have to deal with a declining veteran clogging up a portion of their payroll and 25 man roster.
That’s the true cost of winning championships and being loyal to your players.
George and the Yankees were and remain loyal to a fault and it’s part of what makes being a Yankee special.
It’s why I got so angry with Cashman for how he treated Bernie. The Yankees don’t do that to their guys.
While I feel bad for Ortiz, that’s baseball. If he was a PED user he could be going through the same thing Giambi went through when his body needed to learn how to function w/o the drugs.
If that’s not the case and he’s done, he’s got nothing to be ashamed of. He owned us and destroyed us for several years.
Sox, lose. Hoorayyyy. Time for Yanks to distance themselves.
“Big Papi: The Milkshake Years”
You guys are WAY over analyzing this Ortiz thing.
Bottom line, he is in a slump. Just like Teixeria had. I don’t remember us saying Teixeria was washed up and should go to the minors. We stuck by him and he came around.
Ortiz is a good hitter. Good hitters always come out of slumps. By the end of the year, he will have .320/35/120 and we’ll all forget this ever happened.
Just an extended slump, nothing more. He is too good to continue like this. He didn’t just forget how to hit.
No Cervelli
Ramon-Tex had some pop. Tex drove in runs. And Tex is younger and always starts slow.
Big Papi is going to bat 200 with 5 HR’s. He’s done.
When will this dude Montero be ready?
Joba probably needs Cisco more than CC does.
CC is in a groove now, he doesn’t need a personal catcher anymore.
WTH, why are we breaking up the Cisco/CC tandem ! just stop already !
This is the lineup I wanted.
JORGE IS FINE AT CALLING GAMES!!!
When did Cervelli become some sort of catching genius and Posada some sort of idiot who calls the same pitch with eavery batter?
Maybe if it turns out that Ortiz has been on steroids all along while Sox suck up Mitchell outed the Yankees some people will have different opinions about Papi’s decline.
I’m still angry that Alex’s name was the only one released from the 103 who failed the MLB tests.
I wouldn’t be too quick to write Ortiz off just yet. Back in 2004, Jeter was hitting .179 on May 21st. He ended up hitting .292. He wasn’t hurt….just not hitting, including an 0-34 streak.
late 2010 maybe ’11.
GreenBeret7-Big Papi is a bit different since he’s been declining for awhile.
CC pitched to Victor Martinez and won a CY Young
Stop, just stop. Pitchers like CC can pitch to ANYONE.
CC gets rocked tonight this one is on Georgy.
BTW Marlins are getting tired w/ Lidstrom pay close attention to that situation.
Brandon, no way.
CC pitches a gem.
Since when could Jorge not call a good game?
Nunez is abused F-Mart
Sabathia’s 2nd start of the year with Posada catching vs. KC
7.2 IP, 0 ER, 0 BB, 6 K
i saw a graphic on espnews the other day. it was a line graph plotting the decline in some stat (slugging %?) and it’s been a steady decline over the past 3 years. So we might just be seeing the comet flaming out.
Mike F is fighting to stay relevant. He Loves that people are making fun of him Loves the youtube stuff. They are not dummies at the FAN. Hell he got Cashman to speak out.
I know he is not the only onr but he is the most vocal. If I worked for the FAN I would show up at YS with a sign that read “Francesa to the Pen!” (first seen in Doris post).
Please please Joba Shut him up!
Good hitters will slump for a week to 10 days but never more unless their skills have eroded which is the case with Ortiz. His “slump” has lasted for 2 months and Boston is in a dilemma of not knowing what to do with him.
He’s old ahead of his time with an albatross contract weighing him down.
I wouldn’t expect much from Venditte. He’ll turn 24 next month and that’s quite old for a Low-A “prospect”. He should be in Tampa already and probably Trenton to be on a legit MLB path.
Montero will probably be a late 2011 callup and make the club in 2012. Could be faster, but he wont be 20 until November so what’s the rush?
Ramon — I will be you everything I own that Papi is not at .320/35/120 at the end of the year. Seeing how he has NEVER hit those three targets in the same season I’m feeling pretty confident.
“Since when could Jorge not call a good game?”
He can’t it’s been known, it’s why half the pitching staff fell in love w/ Cisco and like Molina even though he can’t hit.
Ramon
There is no way Ortiz ends up with those numbers. Your comparison to Tex isn’t even close. Ortiz isn’t getting on base. He probably has more strike outs than hits. You watch his body language and you can see it’s weighing heavily on him. He isn’t just missing, he’s lost.
Matsui is 4-6 off Carmona with a double and a walk
i don’t want lindstrom
i want leo nunez badly
I think Ortiz misses his shakes.
“Sabathia’s 2nd start of the year with Posada catching vs. KC”
KC wasn’t a good offensive team. They just weren’t not at that point of the season. Georgy calls an ocassional good game but he’s not a good game caller it’s been known.
Yankees will win today. Lets go bx bombers.
” I wouldn’t be too quick to write Ortiz off just yet. ”
gb7-
i agree. even if he has a totally bad year, he may come back in some form where he’s still a decent hitter. maybe even a bench player like sierra was for the yanks or strawberry.
it probably won’t be with the red sox though if that happens. he’ll probably have to switch teams as some salary is eaten by the red sox to take on that kind of role.
“CC gets rocked tonight this one is on Georgy.”
Good one!
“i don’t want lindstrom
i want leo nunez badly”
Either one. I’d love to figure out what’s wrong w/ Lidstrom. Leo Nunez I’ve been talking about since the beginning of the season.
Sox lose! Ok, so no matter what, we’re still in first place at the end of the evening. Give the Jays credit…..
I would blame CC’s emotions if he loses.
Brandon-I don’t buy it. So they like Cisco and Molina. Doesn’t mean they have a problem with Posada.
It doesn’t matter to me who catches CC tonight. As long as they can help CC keep his emotions in check and win the game, it could be Berroa for all I care.
As long as Matsui is here, Georgy is the catcher
It is going to even get more complicated with Nady comes here and can’t play the field, or is limited in the field.
I now actually look forward to Gardner’s ABs.
Keep proving me wrong, Brett.
Right, because in the 90′s we had such bad pitchers. Always, he’d call bad games in the 90′s.
I believe Baseball Prospectus did a study and concluded it made no difference who caught a game.
Burnett, with all his wildness, needs Cervelli MUCH more than CC does. Same can be said about Joba.
If you’re going to assign someone a personal catcher (which I think is pointless anyway), assign it to a guy who needs all the defensive help he can get, like Joba or AJ, not a stud like CC.
randy l.
May 30th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
” I wouldn’t be too quick to write Ortiz off just yet. ”
gb7-
i agree. even if he has a totally bad year, he may come back in some form where he’s still a decent hitter. maybe even a bench player like sierra was for the yanks or strawberry.
it probably won’t be with the red sox though if that happens. he’ll probably have to switch teams as some salary is eaten by the red sox to take on that kind of role.
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Even if he becomes a Ruben Sierra/Cecil Fielder type, he could do a lot of late inning damage.
>Ortiz isn’t getting on base. He probably has more strike outs than hits.
203 PA, 32 H, 23 BB, 47 SO
“I would blame CC’s emotions if he loses.”
I’ll blame pitch selection and spot calling, Cisco and him were on the same pg. not one head shake or anything, Gardenhoser catches a ball and it’s a 1 ER game. Now to mess w/ that chemistry between SP and C, you know what this is the type of game we typically lose, Saturday night Red Sox lose ground we have a chance to gain ground and then something always happens. Not surprised
It’s tough, but I’m going to try to hold off on assessing credit/blame for CC’s performance and reults tonight.
If CC doesn’t pitch well today, it is because he was nervous/emotional returning to Cleveland…. not because of his catcher.
This Yankee good streak must be brutal for the Bridge Jumpers.
What do Bridge Jumpers do when they become depressed?
“you know what this is the type of game we typically lose, Saturday night Red Sox lose ground we have a chance to gain ground and then something always happens. Not surprised”
Sadly, you’re right. Yankees ALWAYS lose these types of games when they have a chance to gain serious ground.
I’m blaming bad pitching if CC does bad. No excuses. I gave A.J. no excuses vs. Toronto. Gotta be consistent.
Oh, please……….CC and all the pitchers are responsible for their outings, not the catchers. Sure CC is in a nice groove with Cervelli – so what? Frankie is not going to be his personal catcher as he’s going down in a few weeks. Even if he wasn’t, (a) personal catchers are ridiculous and (b) Jorge, as if I need to say this, is a FAR, FAR, FAR superior player. Jorge plays, perid. Frankie will catch tomorrow.
cc’s going to be fine tonight. He already got over the jitters of playing cleveland in yankees stadium. After he pitches through the first inning of todays game, he will be fine. I got him down for 7-8 innings of two run ball. I believe he is in a good rhythm right now. More importantly, the yankees have been playing great.
DT-See below.
I would love to know how the Royals can trade Leo Nunez for Jacobs. Jacobs stinks.. They traded him and now have Farnsworth the nut case in there bullpen..go figure. At least if you trade him get something good in return.
I mean Yanks 172.
randy
Don’t you think the RS will have to release him. I’m not sure a team would want to give anything of value for him.
One thing that makes it harder for him is being a DH he doesn’t have any way to contribute so he has just the hitting to focus on. While the team is on the field all he can do is sit in the dugout and think about it. You watch him and you can see it is really getting to him. Not that I blame him, it would to anyone.
DT – OPPC member (it’s in our blood)
May 30th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
This Yankee good streak must be brutal for the Bridge Jumpers.
***What do Bridge Jumpers do when they become depressed*** ?
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They make everyone elses lives miserable by not jumping.
What is CC going to do in the playoffs? Sit Posada?
All 5 starters need to learn how to pitch to Jorge if they want to go anywhere in October. Molina/Cervelli will never start a playoff game unless Jorge is hurt.
I’m going to guess Cervelli catches the next 2 games. And Posada catching Burnett Tuesday.
I now actually look forward to Gardner’s ABs.
Keep proving me wrong, Brett.
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Yeah, color me surprised too. I don’t know how he’s doing it, his swing is still ugly if you ask me, but if he keeps doing it he can play on my team.
Let’s just throw in the towel and forfeit tonight’s game…..sheesh
>What do Bridge Jumpers do when they become depressed?
Well, first, it would mean that the Yankees are losing.
If the Yankees ain’t losing, they ain’t depressed.
You’ve seen the stark contrast in the mood of the game threads since Alex has been back.
I’m going to enjoy my moment here and say I always like Gardy and never gave up in him.
“Sadly, you’re right. Yankees ALWAYS lose these types of games when they have a chance to gain serious ground.”
I think what people miss is how certain catchers call a game, w/ Cisco.. CC felt comfortable enough to throw that slider in the dirt or change up, I doubt the confidence will be there w/ Posada who typically is predictable, fastball outside corner on 2-1, get me over breaking balls on 2-2, a hitter doesn’t have to think that much w/ him.
I wouldn’t want Posada pairing with Burnett.
Burnett, with his wild pitches, walks, concentration lapses at times, etc. needs a guy like Cisco to help him out defensively and game calling wise.
However, considering we play a day game on Thursday, Posada will probably call Monday’s game regardless.
for the record I was not serious about the emotions thing.
He’ll be fine —-BANK ON IT!1!
Brandon-Still don’t buy it.
People need to realize that last year’s Yaanks lost this type of game. This year’s Yanks win them.
“They traded him and now have Farnsworth the nut case in there bullpen..”
When he’s on he’s lights out. If we can rob him from FLA you do it.
Pitchers are afraid to shake off Posada. Burnett was, and he ended up getting demolished in Boston. Threw Varitek nothing but FBs.
t-rock: Or Burnett had a bad start.
One of the 2.
Yeah, Jorge called a fastball right down the middle.
Sheesh.
“People need to realize that last year’s Yaanks lost this type of game. This year’s Yanks win them.”
Georgy just better stop calling predictable pitches, it actually doesn’t help our staff.
Brandon-Yeah, because pitchers pitch bad because of Jorge.
I just don’t believe it.
“Brandon-Yeah, because pitchers pitch bad because of Jorge.”
Yet for some reason they pitch better when he’s gone ! why ?
By the way, David Price has thrown 42 pitches in 1.2 innings. So far this year he has thrown the equivalent 142 pitches over 5 innings.
Just goes to show that Joba and Hughes are not the only young starters who struggle with efficiency.
Brandon-They got hot at the right time.
When Jeter was on the DL a few years ago (forget the year) the Yanks had over a 600 winning % when he was out. That mean Jeet was a detriment to the team?
Oh, and Pettite had bad stuff yesterday and still only gave up one earned run.
In honor of all the sad depressed Negative Nellie’s out there – I’ll give you a glimmer of despair.
This Saturday game doesn’t look good.
The Yankees haven’t scored a run yet.
Heck, the Yankees don’t even have a hit in this game yet!
Great – they are getting no-hit!! I knew it.
Of course the Positive posters will say CC hasn’t given up a hit today yet either. But we know he will.
You can’t expect CC to be perfect.
Man, things are looking bad so far today.
Gotta go. Go Yanks!
I’ve finished the yard work, all the day’s chores, and am now getting ready to go out for dinner with my wife on our 11th wedding anniversary. (I’m going to DVR the game. What did we ever do before DVR?)
A couple of thoughts about Ortiz –
1. As a baseball fan, it’s very disappointing. He was a bright cheerful face that ESPN loved to promote as all that was right with the game. As a fan, it’s hard to see someone with that type of image fail.
2. As a Yankee fan, I’m delighted. The only thing that could make it better would be if the same thing happened to Dinky and Youk. And Papelbon blows out his shoulder. Nobody in Boston cried when Pedro put Jeter and Soriano in the hospital the same day. None of them wept when O’Neill, Tino, Coney, Bernie, etc. came to the end of their baseball lives. Or when Alex had his surgery this spring. They can deal with it the same way us Yankee fans dealt with our heroes injuries and declines.
3. Let’s go Yankees and win one tonight. First place is nice.
t-rock May 30th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Pitchers are afraid to shake off Posada. Burnett was, and he ended up getting demolished in Boston. Threw Varitek nothing but FBs.
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Uhhh, yeah. It’s Posada’s fault that Burnett couldn’t locate his best pitch that inning. Ignore the fact that Posada called a GREAT game until that inning.
You people are so ignorant.
hmm not one complaint with the lineup…things are looking up!
The reason Burnett had trouble in Boston was missed location. I guess that was on Posada because he didn’t go out and throw it too.
When the target is low and away and the pitch is right down the middle it’s hard to blame it on the catcher.
“I believe Baseball Prospectus did a study and concluded it made no difference who caught a game.”
i once caught a game and i don’t think it made any difference that i had never heard of baseball prospectus
(not directed at you Earl, just in general)
Why do people keep comparing this year’s Yankees to last year’s, as if they are the same team?
This team has Sabathia, Burnett, and Teixeria added to it. Posada is healthy. Cano is having a bounce back year, as is Melky. Matsui is healthy (so far). We lost A-Rod for almost a month last year too, incase nobody remembers.
Last year, by the end of the season we had ONE starter who was above league average– Mussina.
We got 35+ starts from Rasner/Ponson. Pavano made 6 starts for us. Hughes/Kennedy didn’t win a game. Pettitte had an ERA of 6 after the ASB and went 2-7. We lost our ace for 1\2 a year. We had Joba shining for 7 starts, then he got hurt.
Look at the roster we had by the end of the year. It was a miracle we won 89 games. Compare last year’s rotation to Boston and Tampa’s. What about if we had Giambi playing 1st… would the offense/defense be as smooth this year?
The team is doing things differently than last year because it IS different. If we have Ponson/Rasner in the rotation this year, you think we’re 8 games over .500 in May?
If you go through Burnett’s game logs over the years… games like he had in Boston are not really that uncommon
He is a two pitch pitcher with mediocre control… often times, he will just lose it.
Blaming the catcher when Burnett has done that his entire career is silly.
Carmona can be very tough. Has that nasty hard sinker that can just get groundball after groundball
Remember what he did to us in the playoffs?
NL baseball is such a joke
Why does the pitcher even bat? You’re giving the opposing pitcher an automatic strikeout.
So we’ve reached the “mystical game-calling” part of the discussion?
We’ve reached the point where pitchers never have to take responsibility for their performances (at least from the fans perspective – our guys are very accountable)….Maybe we should fake another injury and put Jorge back on the DL.
Lindstrom has a 100 MPH fastball, yet doesn’t even average a strikeout per inning for his career in the NL
pass.
Joe from Long Island
Congrats on your anniversary.
You make some good points. Decline is never pretty, or enjoyable.
Matty,
I agree. It’s funny how people have said “Last year’s Yankees wouldn’t do so and so”.
Give them this year’s roster and maybe would have
Those who would rather have someone in there besides Posada – your ignorance is astounding.
I do agree with Brandon… I don’t think CC would throw those sliders/changes in the dirt with Jorge back there. He might be afraid it will be a wild pitch. With Cervelli, he can handle that.
David Price has pitched 3 innings, 64 pitches, and 1 ER, 6 SO.
MOVE HIM TO THE BULLPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111
ESPN stat projections for David Ortiz:
157 games, 604 at bats, 3 home runs, 63 RBI’s, .185 batting average
Yikes.
could we at least let CC take the mound before deciding whose fault it is that he hypothetically pitched poorly?
CC is afraid of throwing pitches? I don’t think so…..If this team is going anywhere, it’s with Jorge behind the plate. Should we make the playoffs, Jorge will be behind the plate. CC and co. had better learn to adjust to Jorge – they’ve done it before on other teams, they’ll do it again. It may take time for the new guys to adjust to Jorge, but that is hardly uncommon in baseball. I’m confident they’ll be fine – if they’re not, it doesn’t say much for them.
There’s no shame in a pitcher wanting a specific catcher to call their games. Having that psychological edge can be important. Greg Maddux swore by it in his Atlanta days and he’s one of the greatest. He made the Braves start the backup catcher in the playoffs because of it. Not everyone has that luxury but if there’s anyone that should, it would be the team’s most valuable pitcher, no?
Anyway CC hasn’t yet showed extreme distress at Jorge’s game-calling, so it’s not an issue for now.
Move Venditte up already.
DAVID PRICE IS NOT A STAHTING PITCHA!!!!!!
The Posada Truther argument has gotten too silly yet again.
But David Price Truthers are onto something:
With Price in the bullpen, the Rays go to the World Series.
With Price in the rotation, the Rays go to fourth place.
BLARGHGBBBGHLLL
Swingsandmisses, I hate the idea of personal catchers, so I disagree…If
Montero will finish this year in AA. He’ll be here permanently starting at some point in 2010. They will find a place for his bat in the lineup.
this is funny…
http://www.theonion.com/conten....._policy_to
“David Price has pitched 3 innings, 64 pitches, and 1 ER, 6 SO.
MOVE HIM TO THE BULLPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!”
ANDY SONNANSTINE IS A STAHTAH!!!!!!!!! HE CAN’T PITCH THE 8TH INNING. THIS IS ATROCIOUS!
WOAH – Keith Law has SJ44′s nephew possibly going FOURTH OVERALL to the Pirates.
http://insider.espn.go.com/esp.....=mlb_draft
Jeter has only grounded into 4 DP’s so far this year. Last year he was among the league leaders and grounded into 24.
“Greg Maddux swore by it in his Atlanta days and he’s one of the greatest. He made the Braves start the backup catcher in the playoffs because of it. Not everyone has that luxury but if there’s anyone that should, it would be the team’s most valuable pitcher, no?”
Agree 100%.
There is a difference between being “afraid” to throw a pitch and not being comfortable to throw a pitch because the catcher may not be able to handle it.
Why would a pitcher want to throw a pitch in the dirt on the outter half if they feel it will be a wild pitch because a catcher can’t handle it?
Pitchers love when they have a good catcher who can frame pitches, to get those called strikes that are borderline
Guys like CC and AJ have always gotten a lot of Ks in balls in the dirt with the off-speed stuff as well
It may not even be a result of being “wild”.
did i miss something? did CC request a certain catcher or did everyone just decide it’s necessary? let’s wait and see how he fares today before we decide posada can’t call a game or CC’s emotions got the best of him.
“ONE STREAK ENDS: When Robinson Cano struck out in the first inning last night it ended a streak of 54 consecutive plate appearances without a K.”
Cano is having a killer year, but it doesn’t surprise me that he temporarily lost focus with the bases loaded last night. Still, it’s awesome to see him back on track.
Insisting on a personal catcher is extremely selfish and it caused a lot of tension with Javy Lopez and caused headaches in the post-season. Interesting the Braves won 14 division titles and one world series, isn’t it?
MLB should allow trades in the first two rounds of the draft. It would add a ton of excitement to the procedings. Why shouldn’t the Nationals be allowed to shop the top pick. They might get $ 1 Million or more and several picks in the first ten rounds for that one guy.
If I’m trying to build the Nationals I’d rather have extra picks and the cash to sign them than one guy who may or may not pan out.
Joe from LI. -
Happy Anniversary! Enjoy your evening.
I think it’s great that the Yankees have backup catchers that the starters are comfortable with. So they are a major part of the team and not an afterthought to give the starter a day off.
Well, the new guys will just have to adjust…..and they will, once they work with Jorge enough. They’re not complaining, only fans are……
NCAA Austin Regional Update:
Army came back in the late innings to beat Texas State in today’s first game. Texas State is eliminated after blowing two late leads. The Black Knights play the loser of tonights game (UT v BC) at noon tomorrow.
SJ44, I assume you know tonight’s game is at 6 Texas time, not 7. Hope you’re having fun.
I didn’t see a report on SJ’s nephew’s game yesterday – so: he had a run-scoring double in BC’s 6-run top of the 9th, threw out a runner at 3rd to end a bad inning for BC, and had a great throw to start a run-down on an attempted steal, but his teammates blew the run-down.
Someone else,
Thanks for the link. Here’s the relevant quote from Law:
“Pittsburgh general manager Neal Huntington flew up to Boston earlier this week to meet with Boston College catcher Tony Sanchez. Sanchez won’t be on the board when the Pirates pick for the second time at No. 49, so this almost certainly was for the No. 4 overall pick.
Here’s another way the top 10 could play out, based on some rumors I’ve heard in the past 24 hours:
Washington — San Diego State RHP Stephen Strasburg
Seattle — St. Paul Saints RHP Tanner Scheppers
San Diego — UNC CF/1B Dustin Ackley
Pittsburgh — Boston College C Tony Sanchez
Baltimore — Ft. Worth Cats RHP Aaron Crow
San Francisco — Sacramento State CF Tim Wheeler
Atlanta — UNC RHP Alex White
Cincinnati — Capistrano Valley HS (Calif.) LHP Tyler Matzek
Detroit — Westminster Christian Academy (Mo.) RHP Jacob Turner
Washington — Missouri RHP Kyle Gibson.”
Yeah, because pitchers always complain publicly about their catchers……
Trading picks would be fun and certainly spice up the draft
But it would cause so much stress for us… imagine if Boston was trying to acquire Stratsberg?
Wouldn’t that be great fun?
What’s better than having to go out for the evening knowing that when you get home no matter what happens the Yankees will still be in first place???? OOO-EEEE!!!
“Kei Igawa (5-1, 3.39) won again last night. He still would have to buy a ticket to get into Yankee Stadium.”
Yes and Selena Roberts is a credible journalist and Angel Berroa got sent down because you know he has no place on the roster Pete!!!
Be careful you just may be 3 for 3 – in the other direction!
By the way, I feel a win coming on. Enjoy the game sportsfans!
In the NBA teams often buy draft picks from other teams.
Imagine?
May 30th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Yeah, because pitchers always complain publicly about their catchers……
just a hunch but i’m guessing that you have no more insight into who cc wants to throw to than i do.
maine yankee-
i think the league is pitching pedroia low and away much more than last year. he’ll still get his hits because he’s got some talent, but he won’t have the power numbers he had last year with those pitches. i don’t know what took the league so long to tell that he killed anything waist high and up. even low and in he can handle.
i wonder if the red sox are going to take the high road or the low road with ortiz. they have demonized everyone else they have gotten rid of from clemens, vaughn, garciaparra,pedro,etc, but that’s going to be a bit difficult with ortiz .
it’s still early , but what they do is going to be interesting.
i wonder if igawa has any value as trade bait.
Boston and the Yankees putting together Santana-type packages to get Strasburg. Debates on whether we should trade Hughes/Wang or A-Jack/McAllister. If Boston should trade Buchholz/Bard or Lars Anderson/Masterson etc.
It would be awesome.
Or maybe in 07, we could have jumped in front of Detroit to get Porcello… in Minnesota’s or Oakland’s spot.
Oh, it looks as if Mike Francesa’s “Joba Rant” has gone national:
http://deadspin.com/5273217/fr.....joba-rules
Igawa? Trade bait?
We’re going to need him in Oklahoma City.
Igawa will not be traded!
He was the 2008 IL Pitcher of the Year!
Someday, he will have his own statue in downtown Scranton.
Trade Igawa?
That’s just crap. Wake up and smell the coffee.
Just watched the Catfish Yankeeography – the last part of it, anyway – again. I always cry and I always marvel and how really good looking that man was!
todays game goes with my bbq grill:
@marinated (2 hours)ground beef:
-tom’s local made bbq sauce (award winning)
-minced onion/garlic, pepper
-2 eggs, 2 potato buns shreaded
*mixed up and made into patties
@fresh made french fries
@corn on cob
–
special ingredients for the days game:
@no kids
@no wife
@house to myself
now if the yankees win, this will be the best day I have had in awhile!
two things…
1. when melky returns do you think swisher will finally get a day off and put his horrible average on the bench for a little bit?
2. at this point i would rather have cervelli playing before molina…its a shame he will get sent down.
oh I left out the beverages:
too many to list!
We also need Igawa at least until Scranton establishes a Sister City relationship with Koshien, Nishinomiya, Hy?go Prefecture. The Japan revenue would be enormous for Scranton. The Japanese distribution of “The Office” is not enough.
“i wonder if igawa has any value as trade bait.”
No, just shark bait.
Jeet Skeet, do you think it is possible that they will go with three catchers even for a short while?
OMG! I have no propane left.. haha.. figures!
off to the store to get my tank filled.
“That’s just crap. Wake up and smell the coffee.”
DT-
cashman reminds me of those little foo foo lap dogs that bark at you when you walk by their car.
i-know-nothing -
Too funny!
“That’s just crap. Wake up and smell the coffee.”
DT-
cashman reminds me of those little foo foo lap dogs that bark at you when you walk by their car.
Randy –
If Brian Cashman was one of those little yapping canines, I’m afraid you’d push the car into the hot sun and roll up the windows.
“Andy Pettitte felt much better and in fact rode a bike and played catch. He said he’ll be ready for his next start.”
Rode a bike and played catch? Are you sure you’re not reporting on the day to day activities of one of Andy’s kids?
Some of that bloated, deadweight Tampa faction found out that Cashman’s bite can be worse than his bark.
nick in sf is killing me today. killing. me.
Do not bring Nary back until he can play the field
We don’t need another DH.
Good news on the injury front – thanks, Pete!
David Price – 5.2 IP, 1 ER, 11 K today
Man, if Tampa can get a closer like Street or someone, look out. They are primed for a roll.
“Do not bring Nary back until he can play the field
We don’t need another DH.”
hed be a great dh to spell matsui or take over if he slumps..plus you can actually pinch hit him
“Man, if Tampa can get a closer like Street or someone, look out. They are primed for a roll”
why are they primed for a roll exactly? they just got swept by the indians and blew 10-0 and 5-0 leads respectively
Thanks, kasey. Don’t forget to tip your waitress. Try the veal.
We need to get Street.
Clare,
I know. I’m here now and it’s “only” 96 degrees a half hour prior to gametime.
I didn’t tell Keith that Tony met with Neal this week. Somebody from the Pirates must have leaked it.
He had a great interview. Now, the waiting game begins.
We go on a 9 game road trip to NL parks… Florida, Atlanta, and Citi Field
Nady will help us there pinch hitting. After that though, he needs to be able to play the field.
Gardner has been on fire
Nady is probably a month away from playing the field.
He’s just starting a throwing program now.
“Some of that bloated, deadweight Tampa faction found out that Cashman’s bite can be worse than his bark.”
nick in sf-
with all that dead wood gone , you’d think the little yapper could have won something since 2001.
let’s play the name game. name one person who was part of the tampa faction who was deadwood. surely you don’t mean people ike tony cloninger, neil allen, clete boyer, gil patterson,etc.
Why would David price spark them to a roll? Are you suggesting that we should leave Joba in the rotation to similiarly spark the yankees?
Maybe the rays should put price @ closer to provide an even better spark. Or better yet! The 8th inning! Imagine those sparks.
Homer Simpson: “Awww, the waiting game sucks! Let’s play Hungry Hungry Hippos!”
SJ, Man, the kid must be enjoying life right now. Good for him.
Hey, my family has season tickets to the Pirates (yes, they love their Bucco’s).
If he gets picked by Pittsburgh, I’ll set up a “blog outing” to see him.
I can’t believe how many people have sympathy for that bastard Ortiz. I hope he never gets another hit in major league career and has a mental breakdown.
Sorry, randy, the name game is even worse than the waiting game.
I don’t know Nick, the name game is a funky tune:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....r_embedded
nick in sf-
all kidding aside.
i really don’t know who the tampa faction was that was expelled.
who were they?
maybe sj44 knows.
one thing we know is they didn’t stop 4 world championships whever they were.
Tampa is still a good team.
They’re not going to win 97 games again, but they’ll still be a good team. They’ll go on a hot streak soon and probably work their way back into the race. They’ll be lurking all summer, they are not just going to go away quietly.
But scoreboard watching this early in the season is pointless. Save yourself the aggravation. Boston/Tampa are good teams. They are going to win games. So are we. Just sit back and enjoy the ride.
And randy, please don’t call me Shirley.
Steve Swindal?
Tom, sounds good. Tonight will be fun.
Playing the#1 overall seed in the tournament on their home field in front of 8,000 fans.
Great atmoshere.
nick in sf-
you’re already in the name game song.
nick, nick, bo-bick
banana-fana fo- fick
fee-fi-mo-mick
nick!
for the statistically inclined:
(X), (X), bo-b(X?1)
Banana-fana fo-f(X?1)
Fee-fi-mo-m(X?1)
X!
that wasn’t easy without saying the wrong word for the filter.
SJ,
Congrats on the Pirates news. It’s good to hear Law’s info was legit.
Must be a terribly nerve racking time of year.
Sounds like the Pirates really are all in on Sano and he’s going to cost a bundle so the connections make logical sense.
Big upside to getting drafted by the Pirates is that you’re probability of playing in the show go up tremendously. They’re just trying to rebuild their system now. Getting into that system as a mature, college experienced catching prospect is a great opportunity.
Plus he doesn’t wind up on the Sox!
congrats again to your nephew, sj. cool time for that kid.
Your “I bet you didn’t think THIS would happen” stat lines of the day:
Player A: .185/.286/.283/.569 | 1HR
Player B: .299/.332/.370/.702 | 1HR
Player C: .279/.339/.413/.753 | 2HR
A is David Ortiz, B is Jacoby Ellsbury, C is Brett Gardner.
Lets hope Gardner can keep it up
any draft guru on here know anything about kyler heckathorn..they say his stuff is second only to strasburg in the draft…late first round i saw on 1 BA mock draft…if hes there when the yanks pick is he taken by them
Is that Randy Choate closing the game for the Rays? Remember that guy? Didn’t even know he still pitched..lol
cb-
this was on the blog a few days ago. do you know anything about different readings on f/x data?
“Harry Pavlidis: The Wang question is a good one. Yankee stadium was off about a foot in release/spin movement for most of 2008. Comparisons of Wang’s release points are certainly impacted by that. I’m quite skeptical of most of the analysis done on that topic, although there is some truth to it.
Harry Pavlidis: I’ve noticed Texas is a little wierd, yes. I haven’t done much with lately, though. The Astros park had a lot of noise – the spin movement clusters were never tight, but that got resolved recently, as best I can tell.
Harry Pavlidis: Parks I’ve found have velocity deltas from what appears normal include San Diego (hot) Shea (cold), I think Texas ran fast last year, too.
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Just to reiterate: “Yankee stadium was off about a foot in release/spin movement for most of 2008. Comparisons of Wang’s release points are certainly impacted by that.”
“any draft guru on here know anything about kyler heckathorn..they say his stuff is second only to strasburg in the draft…late first round i saw on 1 BA mock draft…if hes there when the yanks pick is he taken by them”
http://www.mymlbdraft.com/MLB-Mock-Draft-2009
“kyler heckathorn”
now there’s a name.
A Randy Choate sighting in Tampa. Strikes out Denard Span to save the game.
Kyler Heckathorn sounds like a protagonist in a Thomas Pynchon novel.
“Popi’s decline is what it is and it seems like a good thing to me. Now maybe Youkilis can get Vertigo and Papelbon can contract hoof and mouth disease (he seems susceptible)”
This is exactly how I feel about Whiff Papi. Papi Stinks!
Lets go Yankees!
Tex baby!
marky mark
Alex!
come on cano….
man Cano ; /
that was ball 4, but whatever. at least they made him throw 2 innings worth of pitches in the 1st.
Its gonna take a few games, but I would like to see Joe more Posada up to the 5 hole and Cano in the 6.
anyone else think cano would kill from the two hole?
CC…mow them down.
Having Cano bat 5th is a dream for opposing teams. Tex and Arod get on base and then you throw pitches off the plate and Cano is out very easily. Someone with more knowledge of the strike zone like Posada needs to bat 5th. Cano is useless in that spot.
Man the YES gun is off again.
Papi almost hit a grand slam recently and hit some other balls very hard but they were caught. So, maybe we have to be careful about pronouncing him dead. If he doesn’t recover in June, then maybe it will be safe to celebrate.
cc has command today.
Ouch!
Hope Victor’s o.k.
oocchhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ouch
Randy -
Ya gotta do the name game right ….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MJLi5_dyn0
Haha. I think you guys would find this comical. The Boston Globe actually wrote an article about how Ortiz *almost* hit a grandslam yesterday. Are you kidding me? This town is so ridiculous. Hate that I have to live here as a Yankee fan. But glad to see their fans slowly turning and beginning to hate Ortiz.
http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....sox_ortiz/
Don: If almost were worth anything Ramiro Pena’d have 2 home runs
John Flaherty, not only do Yankees fans watch playoff games (hence we saw the Dye incident)… but you also mention it every god damn game. We get it, please stop being so similar to Kay.
I’m not wishing victor any ill, but if he has to come out I don’t mind at all
cc’s revenge for them booing him.
Kyler Heckathorn sounds like a protagonist in a Thomas Pynchon novel.
post of the day.
oooooooouch
He can’t even move
bob gibson woud have hit him in the knee with the next pitch.
sabathia is such a woos
wow…he’s hurting.
That Martinez injury made me cringe. My brother broke his knee cap twice in the past year and it’s a really horrible injury. Obviously Martinez didn’t break his knee cap but it reminded me of the injury
“Yankee stadium was off about a foot in release/spin movement for most of 2008. Comparisons of Wang’s release points are certainly impacted by that. I’m quite skeptical of most of the analysis done on that topic, although there is some truth to it.”
randy,
I did consider this and in fact was assuming that this was a factor in the changes in the Wang’s release point data from 2008 – 2009.
After those last two innings Wang threw it lead me even more to guess that measurement error/variation was potentially a factor in accounting for the divergence in measured release point between Wang 2008 and 2009 (in Wang’s last appearance he looked so much better – much more sink/ movement but his pitch f/x release point was largely unchanged from his earlier appearances this season). It’s a complex subject and as such didn’t want to speculate on it via a blog as i don’t have any way to verify the pitch f/x measurement process at the stadium.
Basically, any time you see any changes in data that are both hard to believe because they are so extreme and at the same time are very consistent you always have to consider whether some type systematic source of bias is at play. One of the first things one needs to question is whether the measurement process itself changed and due to those changes in process the measurements being produced are systematically different not because the underlying phenomenon has changed (here Wang’s release point) but because the measurement process has changed.
This is a very well known issue in statistics called instrumentation bias.
Instrumentation bias is always an issue when a new kind of measurement is developed.
Pitch F/X is very new and is still evolving both as a technology and as a measurement process. So we definitely know that instrumentation bias is a factor – what is very difficult to quantify is how much of a factor it is.
We definitely know that pitch f/x technology and methodology changed fairly drastically from 2007 to 2008. They really figured out pitch f/x and improved it greatly in 2008. Much better. But it was still evolving between 2008 to 2009.
One of the issues that has been in flux for example was the exact camera placement in different ball parks. It was relatively idiosyncratic when pitch f/x was first implemented. Since then it’s become more standardized.
And top of all this is the important factor that they are now playing in a new stadium.
So it would not surprise me at all if a relatively significant portion of why Wang’s release point looks different from 2008 to 2009 on pitch f/x is do to changes in measurement methodology/ instrumentation bias (particularly for games Wang has pitched in NY).
I think Harry Pavdilis (who is very good with pitch f/x btw…) makes a very astute point. He knows much more about the specifics of pitch f/x than I do so if he says that the pitch f/x measurements at yankee stadium changed I’d take that seriously.
Changes in pitch f/x data are useful for generating hypothesis and less useful for drawing meaningful conclusions.
What’s much more important on this is how Wang looks. He looked so much better last appearance in terms of location/ movement – that made me feel much better even though his release point on pitch f/x didn’t seem to “normalize” to 2008.
Posada!!!
hip, hip…
Po Po.
JORGE!!! Wow did I miss him….
POSADA POWER!!! the entire yankee team is getting hot!!!!! OMG
HIP-HIP…..!!!!
Hip Hip Jorge!!
He does that bare handed too.
man, too bad posada’s playing today.
patrick-
the worst baseball injury i’ve seen was when i was playing first base for the umass summer baseball team and our left handed pitcher snapped his arm above his elbow in half on a pitch.
the sound was so bad no one wanted to go help him at first. for some reason that injury happens almost always to lefties , and not righties.
Swisha!!!!
swishy!!
Swish-splash back to back
Swishh!! Just do it
YOUSER!!!!
LMAO. Kevin Long looks like a proud papa at his kid’s little league game after Swisher’s homer.
Baseball question-
If a batter has to leave the game in the middle of the at bat. Would the replacement inherit the 3-2 count or would it be a whole new at bat??
Swish-splash back to back
unless you count the fact that matsui batted between jorge and swisher which, unfortunately, official scorers will.
Seriously, the yankee lineup is crushing the baseball.
Erica – Yes
I guess the wind stream followed the team!
40 pitches for fausto
Erica
Inherit the count.
Did you guys see what D. Price did today? Man I can’t wait till Joba gets there if he ever gets there…
kasey,
ooops, left the room to get a beer, must’ve missed Matsui…
Hmmm, time for Posada to protect A-Rod.
Erica
May 30th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
Baseball question-
If a batter has to leave the game in the middle of the at bat. Would the replacement inherit the 3-2 count or would it be a whole new at bat??
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and, if he strikes out, the strikeout goes to the first batter. If he walks, the second batter gets the walk.
Cleveland is much prettier from the air than on the ground.
108 pitches for price. Good outing in 5.2 inn. He should be in the bullpen.
When Melky gets back it will be easier to put PO behind Alex
“LMAO. Kevin Long looks like a proud papa at his kid’s little league game after Swisher’s homer.”
gb7-
that was an interesting cut off follow through that swisher did.
i wonder if that’s something they’re working on.
Who gets credit for that Posada homer? CC? Tony Pena? Parting advice from Kevin Cash?
Ortiz is nothing without Manny hitting behind him. It’s that simple. It has nothing to do with age, steroids, or injury.
man. cc walked shin-soo choo. i guess his emotions are just getting the best of him. or it’s that godawful posada behind the plate.
hey…CC just walked sum young guy.
Huge double play
randy l.
May 30th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
“LMAO. Kevin Long looks like a proud papa at his kid’s little league game after Swisher’s homer.”
gb7-
that was an interesting cut off follow through that swisher did.
i wonder if that’s something they’re working on.
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That swing did look quick and short, didn’t it? A lot of carry to dead center on that swing.
can you say 5-4-3?….YES!!
wang was told not to strengthen the foot that he injured or his lower body because the yankees were nervous that he would hurt it again.
cashman admitted that this was a mistake.
no wonder wang has been off.
during his dl stint he aggressively strengthened his lower body & it looks like it paid off.
if hughes continues to pitch well wang might stay in the pen.
take out the game in baltimore & hughes has an era under 3.
I didn’t actually see it, but CC must have made a good shake-off before the DP.
pat
May 30th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Cleveland is much prettier from the air than on the ground.
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Is Cleveland really that bad of a place? Other than the fact that it seems to be infested with bugs, it does have the rock and roll hall of fame there. I have been wanting to road trip there very badly. I couldn’t do it this weekend cause I have a stupid wedding tomorrow, but is it that awful of a place?
“Having Cano bat 5th is a dream for opposing teams. Tex and Arod get on base and then you throw pitches off the plate and Cano is out very easily. Someone with more knowledge of the strike zone like Posada needs to bat 5th. Cano is useless in that spot.”
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That’s what I’ve been saying. Cano has no patience and doesn’t belong behind A-Rod. As I said, want to get around A-Rod AND Cano? All you need is 5 pitches. Walk A-Rod and Cano will swing at that first pitch, out of the zone, and into a DP. Unless of course it’s one of those weeks were Cano is hitting everything. But he’s streaky. Give the 5 spot to Posada. It makes more sense.
cb-
thanks for that detailed response. it appears that for the present we can’t take the fx data any different than we do with different radar guns. they’re useful , but we need to be aware any particular gun may be off.
i watched a lot of 2007 mlb video and it’s easy to see wang was more 3/4 then than he is now. hopefully as he builds up strength, he’ll drop into his natural arm slot.
i agree the other night was a lot better. it was a good building block.
I didn’t actually see it, but CC must have made a good shake-off before the DP.
not to mention the overwhelming flood of emotions he overcame just to summon the courage to throw the pitch. guy’s unflappable.
Tex just missed it.
Of the Cleveland players that could become available, the two that would interest me the most would be Derosa and Ben Francisco.
CC played Vidyagames with Bruney today.
Did michael kay just hint that he has no spawn?? My eyes just lit up at the prospect that he is the last of his kind
man, cano must be reading the blog today. that was brutal.
“That swing did look quick and short, didn’t it? A lot of carry to dead center on that swing.”
gb7-
i’ve never tried it in baseball , but a lpga player once showed me a drill where you hit the golfball and try to stop the swing on contact . it made no sense to me how it works, but you still hit the golf ball almost normal distance. and then after doing this drill you swing away normally and you pick up a little extra pop.
tiger has a shot i think he calls the stinger that he cuts off the follow through and hits a low line drive fade that runs after landing.
for now the” swisher stinger” has a nice ring to it
I like Cano and all, but I think it’s time to put Jorge back behind ARod. As somebody on here already said – you can pitch around ARod and Cano in 5 pitches.
CC..looks great!
Erica
I haven’t been there in about 5 years. There were some very nice areas out in the burbs but what you would call the downtown business district was pretty condensed and very much in need of updating back then.
It looked much better than how I remembered it from the aerial shots though.
Sergio Mitre is making his first appearance for Tampa. 2 innings, 2 hits, 1 walk, 1 strikeout.
Montero and Romine are both 1-1 with singles.
Not sure who gets the blame but, Charlotte has 3 steals off of Montero and Mitre.
Eric Wedge reeks of desperation. Leaving Victor Martinez in the game was South of prudent.
Imagine CC in the pen as the bridge to Mo?
I’m just waiting until June because when the weather starts getting really hot so does Cano.
33 pitches thru 3 for Carsten Charles
“I never realized that you have such an enormous head.”
How can people not like Jorge???
Michael Kay is the incredible hulk
Michael Kay is the incredible hulk
Michael KAY = TMI
“thanks for that detailed response. it appears that for the present we can’t take the fx data any different than we do with different radar guns. they’re useful , but we need to be aware any particular gun may be off.”
randy,
The real issue primarily comes up when we are trying to compare pitch f/x data between different seasons. The technologies and methods have changed/ evolved but those changes largely occur between seasons.
It’s really the early seasons when the technology was first being implemented that there was more uncertainty. So comparing now to then has to be done cautiously.
I think this is the first season where the technology/ processes are mature. So I think we can trust the data much more this season.
When guns are off it’s usually a very different source of bias. A radar gun is what’s described as being “operator dependent.” Measurements that are operator dependent tend to be prone towards bias and/ or high degrees of variability. A “fast gun” for instance is most often due to the gun being pointed by the operator too close to the pitcher’s release point. A “slow gun” is pointed too far from the release point (radar guns are generally pointed anywhere from 5 feet to 10 feet from the release point.
One way pitch f/x helps to correct velocity measurements is because the camera position is now standardized in each park.
That said there’s nothing perfect. For example, I’d guess tha pitch f/x data tends to systematically overestimate how hard CC sabathia throws and undersestimates how hard Tim Lincecum throws. Why? The camera positions in pitch f/x are standardized and not adjusted to a pitcher’s height/ stride length. They are pointed to measure velocity starting at 10 feet from an estimated release point. On the whole one can assume that if the average pitcher is say X feet Y inches tall he’ll have a release point distance of Z. But with pitchers at the extreme ranges of height there will be some impact on velocity measurement.
So it’s not so much that measurements are “off” it’s just that they have their limitations, are subject to variation, error and bias and simply aren’t perfect. That said these imperfections don’t mean that they are akin to subjective evaluations.
And I agree with you on Wang – he still looks more over the top than he has in the past so I do think the pitch f/x data is on to something (though probably not to the degree that the numbers suggest).
I also thought he looked very good last time out. All of this pitches were down in the zone and several sinkers just fell off the table and dissappeared.
Sounds like Kay might have Paget’s disease. Increasing hat size is a symptom of it.
Does anyone else think that bat boy in the Yankee dugout might be Hideki Irabu???
ROFL matsui almost got tagged out
Hey gang! Just got in. How’s CC been doing? Looks good from what I can tell.
Laura he’s been dominate.
Laura – Win together, strike out alone!
May 30th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Hey gang! Just got in. How’s CC been doing? Looks good from what I can tell.
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Hi Laura-
Only one baserunner (a walk) which got erased with a DP
Laura:
Carsten Charles has not given up a hit thru 3 and he has walked one and struck out 2.
jeux sans frontrieres
May 30th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Eric Wedge reeks of desperation. Leaving Victor Martinez in the game was South of prudent.
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Either pay attention or keep quiet. Martinez was replaced at the beginning of the second inning.
Come on GGBG!!!
yeah, GB7, I meant leaving him in to continue to the AB.
Everyone loves a grumpy old man…
Yes!
haha
No DP captain!
“That said these imperfections don’t mean that they are akin to subjective evaluations”
cb-
i get it that once the technology settle in it’ll give some very good objective data. i can see that it’s going to be a very useful as time goes on.
the variables in it now explain why the yankees didn’t say much about the f/x data on wang.
Jeter!!!
Captain Clutch!
One of the best parts of this season so far has been the pleasure of watching CC pitch. What an outstanding pitcher. The complete package. Raw talent, refined skills and tremendous pitching intelligence. He’s got it all. Live arm, tremendous command, endurance, and strategy.
There really are only a handful of pitchers in the game with his total package – Halladay, Santana, perhaps Webb…
When was the last time the yankees had a talent like CC in his prime?
Just a pleasure to watch.
Big Hit!!!
the captain continues his streak is glorious fashion
Derek jeter…clap clap clap clap clap
*in
The captain can.
Jetes
Damon!
Damon!
Bring it to ‘em!
CB
May 30th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
One of the best parts of this season so far has been the pleasure of watching CC pitch. What an outstanding pitcher. The complete package. Raw talent, refined skills and tremendous pitching intelligence. He’s got it all. Live arm, tremendous command, endurance, and strategy.
There really are only a handful of pitchers in the game with his total package – Halladay, Santana, perhaps Webb…
When was the last time the yankees had a talent like CC in his prime?
Just a pleasure to watch.
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And what’s even more sweet is that he’s 28. I like it..I like it alot.
Choo has not impressed on defense
game over. Game and a half lead over Bos would be sweet.
It might take the Indians more than a week to score six runs off CC.
Anybody notice that all of this good hitting happened once I started watching the game?
You are welcome!
Very nice, Captain and Damon. We were supposed to trade Joba and Hughes for Choo??????
And where the heck is Dr. Cox???
Niiiiice
Jeter should be an air traffic controller.
great job Jetes
Laura – Win together, strike out alone!
May 30th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Anybody notice that all of this good hitting happened once I started watching the game?
You are welcome!
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Good job Laura! The Yankee batting averages thank you
Quirky play there; let’s see if it pays some dividends.
Nice Job Captain by the captain that was a good play
“And what’s even more sweet is that he’s 28″
It’s so true. You watch him pitch and completely forget how young he is because he really does pitch like a heady veteran.
The biggest surprise for me in watching him pitch has been how good his change up is. I knew his fastball and slider were tremendous and that his change was very good but I thought it was more very good as a third pitch.
There’s nothing “third pitch” about that change. It is devastating. In some ways it’s a better pitch than his slider.
And he’s 28 and cost no talent to acquire.
A franchise changing signing.
“Good job Laura! The Yankee batting averages thank you”
Thanks. As a fan, I feel it’s my duty to do my part as well.
Who here thinks Jose Reyes would have had the brains to get the runners to move up?
fausto at 78 pitches
Cano
He didn’t want any part of Alex. He’s hoping we get patience Robbie as opposed to “I’ll swing at anything” Robbie.
Okay Cano they have basically walked A-Rod twice to get to you so do something about it!!!
Jose Reyes doesn’t belong in any conversation of smart baseball.
I was wrong!
Nice job by Cano, and with bases loaded!
Pre-surgery Alex makes it to 3B.
Perfect! Cano made them pay for pitching around Alex!
Robbie cano doncha know..
Questionable base running by Rodriguez there.
Nice Job by Cano, A-Rod bad play never make the third out at 3rd but good inning
A-ROD decided to do the TOBY! into 3B.
i think this one might just be close to being in the bag
I’ll take an A-Rod baserunning mistake there. Don’t want CC sitting on the bench too long. I don’t want to jinx anything but he has no-no stuff tonight.
do you ever notice that jeter never runs into outs like arod just did.
arod is faster, but jeter is a much better base runner.
hopefully the long layoff doesn’t slow cc down. i’m beginning to resign myself to the fact that, good or bad, cano is never going to learn plate discipline.
The yankees are scoring runs like crazy.
A-Rod was close.
It’s always great when your offense scores 7 runs before your starter even gives up a hit.
randy:
Thats selection bias. I bet you jeter has done that a similar amount of times
And we don’t need A-Rod Sliding unless it is absolutely necessary.
time for a punch out.
called it.
CB
May 30th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
“And what’s even more sweet is that he’s 28”
It’s so true. You watch him pitch and completely forget how young he is because he really does pitch like a heady veteran.
The biggest surprise for me in watching him pitch has been how good his change up is. I knew his fastball and slider were tremendous and that his change was very good but I thought it was more very good as a third pitch.
There’s nothing “third pitch” about that change. It is devastating. In some ways it’s a better pitch than his slider.
And he’s 28 and cost no talent to acquire.
***A franchise changing signing***
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I’d rate that deal with NYY getting Catfish Hunter.
What a slider to strike out Cabrera. Just unreal. Left handed pitcher throwing a slider to a right handed batter he has no chance of making contact on. Just phenomenal.
cc is at 96 mph
I almost feel like this is a waste of CC’s start, lol. I hope the offense saves some run support for Hughes and Joba.
CC’s basically telling Cleveland thank for making me a nady….and..you were stupid for trading me.
So no sign of Dr. Cox yet and his sign?
And just think, if Cervelli was out there, CC might look *really* good tonight.
Benny Blanco
May 30th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
CC’s basically telling Cleveland thank you for making me a yankee.and..you were stupid for trading me.
RS
May 30th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
I almost feel like this is a waste of CC’s start, lol. I hope the offense saves some run support for Hughes and Joba.
*****
This team has the talent to score many, many runs for many, many games. They have been a joy to watch the last few weeks
CC at 44 pitches
Robinson Cano is an advocate of see ball , hit ball….
whoa cc throwin’ fire.
And just think, if Cervelli was out there, CC might look really good tonight.
he certainly wouldn’t have issued that game-changing walk, that’s for sure.
“I’d rate that deal with NYY getting Catfish Hunter.”
GB7,
Wonderful comparison. We can only hope it works out as well. CC is about the same age as Catfish was when he signed I believe.
As good as Catfish was (and i dont’ remember him…) I’d have to say that CC may be better…? Catfish was had that great run from 72 – 75 but tailed off after.
At their peaks how would you compare them?
If Wang needs work, they can pull CC after 5 and let Wang pitch the other 4. Any takers?
Good afternoon mi amigos. I just cant believe we are alone in first. I almost forgot what it felt like. A day in first and im spoiled again. First till November from this point on.
What the hell is wrong with siezmore? Is he the most over rated player now? Most picked him to win the mvp for the past 2 years?
Watching C.C. pitch all i can think of does he go the same route Alex did and get himself a 10 year deal from us in the end?
Guess the top of the 4th wasn’t too long for him after all
He IS FILTHY!!!
There is something very interesting about the box score…
CC averaging 12 pitches an inning. Joba, you watching?
Wow the YES gun is way off, gameday has him touching 97!
Tony Sanchez just hit a sac fly to score the game-tying run. 2-2 top of the 7th.
“If Wang needs work, they can pull CC after 5 and let Wang pitch the other 4. Any takers”
no chance…CC will not like that plus you got hughes and joba pitching the next two days..ill leave wang for then
Laura – Win together, strike out alone!
May 30th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
If Wang needs work, they can pull CC after 5 and let Wang pitch the other 4. Any takers?
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Hahaha- not the way CC is dealing tonight. Maybe for Hughes tomorrow. Which btw- did I mention I need to miss them facing Pavano cause I have to go to a stupid wedding
“i’m beginning to resign myself to the fact that, good or bad, cano is never going to learn plate discipline.”
cano strikes out more and walks less but mattingly was not a big plate discipline guy. he swing at a lot of pitches that weren’t strikes.
if cano could get up to 40 walks a season and the strikeouts under 60 his style could still be effective.
i like cano a lot as a hitter . he’s like the old we are family pirates. he hits.
# Laura – Win together, strike out alone! May 30th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
If Wang needs work, they can pull CC after 5 and let Wang pitch the other 4. Any takers?
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Not if what happens happens
“Wow the YES gun is way off, gameday has him touching 97!”
After spending 1.5Bil on the stadium, the Yankees ran out of money and got their radar gun from Target.
It is a shame a billion dollar network can’t afford working radar guns.
The Yanks are going to have to cover the over 9.5 by themselves.
Or Brett Tomko is going to have to make an appearance.
you gotta love the feeling that we’re watching the beginnings of the next dynasty
Hello Ohka
“There is something very interesting about the box score…”
Shhhh don’t jinx it.
“Hahaha- not the way CC is dealing tonight. Maybe for Hughes tomorrow. Which btw- did I mention I need to miss them facing Pavano cause I have to go to a stupid wedding”
Didn’t you hear? Since he got to CLE, Pavano is the second coming of Cy Young. No hitter for him for sure.
Austin update….
BC just tied Texas at 2 on a SF by my nephew. One out in the 7th, TX batting.
Texas is the overall #1 seed in the Tournament.
If Wang needs work, they can pull CC after 5 and let Wang pitch the other 4. Any takers?
pass. superpass.
Who wants to go to Cleveland on June 27th?????????
What the hell are those unis the White Sox are wearing? LOL!
Cano has the least amount of k’s on the team. He doesnt strike out alot.
Pat M
May 30th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
Robinson Cano is an advocate of see ball , hit ball….
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It’s really difficult to be upset at Cano for taking a shot on the first pitch. He’s hitting .487 this year and .366 in his career on first pitch hitting.
“If Wang needs work, they can pull CC after 5 and let Wang pitch the other 4. Any takers?
pass. superpass.”
Okay, okay. I was just trying to give you guys some options.
Kay is such a wuss…LMAOL
“I try to bring a smile to people’s ears.”
Tampa Yanks are down 5-3 in the 4th inning. Montero is 2-2 with a run scored and 2 singles. Romine is 2-2 with a 3 run homer.
seagull convention going on
What the heck is wrong with Cleveland? There’s always swarms of something in the field.
“Cano has the least amount of k’s on the team. He doesnt strike out alot.”
If you watch him enough, you know why. It’s amazing the pitches he can reach. Pitches in the dirt, pitches that almost hit him. He is amazing that way. That being said, I like it best when he hits pitches that are out over the plate. But that’s just me.
Catfish came to NY after Gabe Paul had built a good ball team needing an ace….The Paul turns around and gets Rivers & Figerero and they took off…..Martin over used Hunter in 75 as he completed something like 26 games…He started off 0-5……Good comparison, but Catfish was a Hall Of Famer….Incredible control
Laura – Win together, strike out alone!
May 30th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
“Hahaha- not the way CC is dealing tonight. Maybe for Hughes tomorrow. Which btw- did I mention I need to miss them facing Pavano cause I have to go to a stupid wedding”
Didn’t you hear? Since he got to CLE, Pavano is the second coming of Cy Young. No hitter for him for sure.
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Well, in two short months with Cleveland he is at 55% of the wins it took him 4 years to get with the Yankees.
Tampa Yanks are down 5-3 in the 4th inning. Montero is 2-2 with a run scored and 2 singles. Romine is 2-2 with a 3 run homer.
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How long do you think it is until we see Montero in the Bronx?
I’m going to something that is borderline heretical:
the 2009 Yanks remind me of the 1998 Yanks.
Now that we see what this war machine looks like w/the majority of its parts intact, it’s hard to envision other teams winning series against them. They have a relentless offense, and a deep, uber-talented rotation.
Once the final cogs are set in the bullpen, they will be a league-wide wrecking ball.
I’m lighting up a true Cuban Cohiba cigar tonight (and yes, the Cuban cigars are THAT much better than any other on the planet).
In Trenton, Chris Garcia has pitched 5 innings, giving up 1 run on 2 hits, with 6 Ks. Now, if he could only stay healthy….
Is Progressive Field built over some landfill or something? What’s with the birds?
No Hitter.
GB-7
Just tuned in last inning when the Yankees put up a 5 spot.
Also like DeRosa. He’s been a solid hitter and can play about every position except CF and Catcher. Question-Since he’s a FA to be, and 34, what would the Indians take in return, especially if they get swept the rest of this series and are ready to deal.
Montero will be late season call-up in 2010. I bet he is in Trenton within a month, especially as he and Romine are sharing catching duties in Tampa.
BC just survived the top of the 7th on a great diving catch by the CF.
2-2, BC batting, bottom 7.
Montero needs to be promoted. He’s owning High A. Romine not too shabby his own self.
Sheesh, Pat M, how many Warren Spahn Awards does Cy Cy have to win before you think he might be Hall-worthy?
“Well, in two short months with Cleveland he is at 55% of the wins it took him 4 years to get with the Yankees.”
Don’t remind me. Worst.Free.Agent.Signing.Ever!!
Pat M
May 30th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Catfish came to NY after Gabe Paul had built a good ball team needing an ace….The Paul turns around and gets Rivers & Figerero and they took off…..Martin over used Hunter in 75 as he completed something like 26 games…He started off 0-5……Good comparison, but Catfish was a Hall Of Famer….Incredible control
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Yeah, those 31 complete games and 315+ innings in ’75 pretty much cooked Hunter’s arm. He never recovered from Martin. Imagine what he would have done to Guidry, although Martin thought Guidry was useless for about 3 months at the start of ’77.
It’s all fun and games until someone hits a seagull and goes to jail… oh wait, that’s just Canada.
CB & GB7 -
I was watching the back end of the Catfish Yankeeography. And they talked about how he brought the culture of winning to that club, in addition to being a talented pitcher himself. (Understatement!)
When Michael Kay was talking about CCs demeanor in the clubhouse, I thought about how that could be a good thing for all the young pitchers here. See a relaxed pitcher, a relaxed atmosphere around him, yet still having the fierce competitiveness it takes to be a winning pitcher.
Guidry talked about how even when Catfish was not having a good year, couldn’t pitch as he had been, he was still the most important guy on that club. A leader not only for the pitchers, but the team as a whole.
Catfish said it was important to play for each other, not just oneself. You can see that with CC. Spending off-days together, getting to know each other outside the lines of the baseball field probably does quite a bit to make the game team oriented. In a sport that lauds individual achievements at least as much, if not more than, team accomplishments, that’s a big deal.
“Question-Since he’s a FA to be, and 34, what would the Indians take in return, especially if they get swept the rest of this series and are ready to deal.”
I like DeRosa a lot too; love those multi-position players. The problem is, truthfully, we don’t really need him. There are those that want to play him in RF. I’m not opposed to that. However, I think that the team likes Swish and what he brings to the clubhouse. Their chemistry is great right now. Can’t mess with what’s working.
1996 Doc Gooden no-hitter= Yankees win World Series
1998 David Wells perfect game= Yankees win World Series
1999 David Cone perfect game= Yankees win World Series
“Martin over used Hunter in 75 as he completed something like 26 games…”
Didn’t know that. Makes complete sense. Catfish really fell off a cliff after ’75. Just looked it up – he threw 328 innings in 1975 after having thrown 318 in 1974. That’s alot of innings.
After 1975 he basically turned into a league averagish pitcher. And he was only 30 at the time. Out of the game by the time he was 34. Perhaps a cautionary tale there when people say pitchers now are “babied.”
The control issue with CC is a very good point. Both were extreme control pitchers.
WHO’S #52 ?? when did the yankees call him up?
“What’s with the birds?”
Lake Erie
“How long do you think it is until we see Montero in the Bronx?”
Some say he’s too big to catch, but at 6’4″ 225, he’s no bigger than Joe Mauer, Saltalamacchia and the new catcher in Baltimore-Weiters.
If he stays projected as a Catcher, and can move up to AAA fairly quickly, maybe in 2 years, when Posada is mainly a DH. 1st base is taken for the next 8 years.
omg are you serious cano!
Damn
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
GOSH Darnit!
Yankee Trader
May 30th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
GB-7
Just tuned in last inning when the Yankees put up a 5 spot.
Also like DeRosa. He’s been a solid hitter and can play about every position except CF and Catcher. Question-Since he’s a FA to be, and 34, what would the Indians take in return, especially if they get swept the rest of this series and are ready to deal.
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Derosa would be Randy Velarde with power. If NYY couldn’t get him, I’d take Ben Francisco in RF any time. Defense at three spots, power and speed.
DT: good, but do you know what happened after Winfield hit the seagull?
He ran. He ran so far away. He just ran. He ran all night and day. He couldn’t get away.
1996 Doc Gooden no-hitter= Yankees win World Series
1998 David Wells perfect game= Yankees win World Series
1999 David Cone perfect game= Yankees win World Series
and that’s why we don’t do that.
Don’t know what would bug me more, if that turns out to be the only hit or if that would have been ruled as an error. Poll everyone?
Now Cano dives for a ball.
Give Cano credit there – he was trying to save CC’s no hitter right there.
CC deflected the ball and it was hit slowly as it was.
The only chance Cano had to try to make the out was to try to bare hand the ground ball. That’s just an near impossible play to make.
Hat tip to Cano.
kasey
May 30th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
1996 Doc Gooden no-hitter= Yankees win World Series
1998 David Wells perfect game= Yankees win World Series
1999 David Cone perfect game= Yankees win World Series
and that’s why we don’t do that.
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Dude, I wasn’t jinxing anything. Just stating Yankee history
Nick in SF….I believe CC’s best years lie ahead for him…..The Catfish was the Ace pitcher with 5 World Championships…Although he missed most of 78, that was the of Guidry…And what a year that was….Hunter was Maddox before there was a Greg Maddox….
the ball was there. arod should have got that tag down on the bag.
Great effort by Cano. We usually knock him for not diving.
wow it looked like he was gonna have a no hitter. Now they score.
DT: good, but do you know what happened after Winfield hit the seagull?
He ran. He ran so far away. He just ran. He ran all night and day. He couldn’t get away.
yeah, but Howie Spira finally caught him.
Speaking of seagulls. What would an outfielder do if one of them plopped on one of their shoulders?
a. call time out and run in the dugout to clean it up?
b. use the glove to wipe it off?
c. dont say anything and go in the dugout after the inning and hug someone wiping it on them?
d. ignore it hope to get pied after the game so it blends?
Come on, CC. Get it together.
B
CC looks frustrated.
Losing the no-no has clealy rattled Jorge’s game-calling and pitch-framing! Grrrrr!
niiiick! i love it!
“Don’t know what would bug me more, if that turns out to be the only hit or if that would have been ruled as an error.”
Not sure why it is that people are always looking at what Cano does and viewing it in the negative.
Cano just tried to barehand a ground ball. Not a bunt, not a slow roller. A ground ball.
The only reason he even attempted to make that play (a play on which he risked injury..) was because he was trying to make the play as quickly as possible to save CC’s no hitter. He was trying to make a near impossible snap play.
And there was no downside risk to him trying to do it. If he botches the play the runner is going to go no farther than first base anyway.
He was trying to be a good teammate.
Im so happy we signed CC man.
Francisco hit that ball so hard that it started diving on Damon. It looked like somebody shot the ball out of the air.
Very interesting about Catfish. Really drums home the concept of innings limit on pitchers, especially young ones who’s skeletomuscular systems are not yet fully developed.
My wife just gave me a nice anniversary present – she said, over dinner, that one thing she really appreciates that I gave her was a love of baseball.
No kidding. And she’s not even drunk.
The seagulls won’t be around for long… Swisher ran out to RF with some alka seltzer and red bull.
# randy l. May 30th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
the ball was there. arod should have got that tag down on the bag.
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Looking for any excuse to rag on Alex? The throw was off line.
CB
May 30th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
“Don’t know what would bug me more, if that turns out to be the only hit or if that would have been ruled as an error.”
Not sure why it is that people are always looking at what Cano does and viewing it in the negative.
Cano just tried to barehand a ground ball. Not a bunt, not a slow roller. A ground ball.
The only reason he even attempted to make that play (a play on which he risked injury..) was because he was trying to make the play as quickly as possible to save CC’s no hitter. He was trying to make a near impossible snap play.
And there was no downside risk to him trying to do it. If he botches the play the runner is going to go no farther than first base anyway.
He was trying to be a good teammate.
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It wasn’t a knock on Cano. It was a really cheap hit that could have gone either way. Obviously, Cano gave it an effort.
“the ball was there. arod should have got that tag down on the bag.”
Looked on replay to be to A-Rods right and a little offline.
Come on CC battle!
Erica,
My apologies. I misinterpreted your post. Thanks for the clarification.
c’mon CC
I’m still 100% confident we will win this game…but this is why you NEVER declare a game over. Come on, CC, limit the damage!
big dude’s rattled.
Let’s stop the damage right here.
CB
May 30th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Erica,
My apologies. I misinterpreted your post. Thanks for the clarification
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No worries
Typical turn of events after someone loses a no hitter.
No big deal. CC’s stuff still looks great.
You could tell he was disappointed. I’m sure he felt great and knew how good his stuff was tonight.
Rough inning for CC. Lots of unnecessary pitches, and a couple of cheap hits. Still, he’s looking great tonight.
CC definitly did not deserve to give up 2 runs that inning…only 1 of those hits was hit hard..just keep at it CC and give us 7 strong…
Joe from Long Island
May 30th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Very interesting about Catfish. Really drums home the concept of innings limit on pitchers, especially young ones who’s skeletomuscular systems are not yet fully developed.
My wife just gave me a nice anniversary present – she said, over dinner, that one thing she really appreciates that I gave her was a love of baseball.
No kidding. And she’s not even drunk.
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I started to read this and wasn’t sure if the censors were going to block parts of it out or not.
“He’s hitting .487 this year and .366 in his career on first pitch hitting.”
gb7-
i like cano a lot and his approach doesn’t bother me, but what’s his batting average when he gets a strike wehn he swings at the first pitch. what is his ba after 0-1.
not to be nit picky , but it’s deceptive to say he hits .487 when he swings at the first pitch. actually he hits .487 when he hits the first pitch fair. sometimes he misses or fouls it off.
Nick in SF
May 30th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Losing the no-no has clealy rattled Jorge’s game-calling and pitch-framing! Grrrrr!
What a stupid statement. Amazing how little people around here actually know…
CC’s rattled?
GIve me a break. It was 7-0 and he gave up two runs. Things happen. He’ll be fine.
CC can still complete this game.
Tell him Pete!!!
Montero now 3 for 3 with 8th hr.
its obvious that the seagulls were sending signs to cleveland batters during that inning. Some flying V sign or something hard for the naked eye to decode. Iv heard of Cleveland cheating but this time theyve have gone too far.
When did CLE take the Indian logo off of their hats?
Classic uniforms Laura
I would love to see GGBG steal all 3 bases one day
“Classic uniforms Laura”
Oh, is it classic uniform day? That explains what the White Sox are wearing in their game. How great is it that the Yankees regular uniform *IS* their classic uniform?
Montero ties up the Tampa game with a solo homer.
They are wearing old uniforms tonight….
“Looking for any excuse to rag on Alex? The throw was off line.”
watch the replay.
tim boat. check up on sarcasm in the dictionary.
pete, you’re right. cc didn’t look even the least bit frustrated after losing the no-hitter. my mistake. he calmly and coolly gave up two runs, not looking anything other than reserved out there.
give me a break. the guy looked disappointed at losing the no-hitter and then lost concentration for a second. nobody’s saying he’s going to lose the game. of all the idiotic comments on the board on any given day, i’m not sure mine was far enough off the mark to draw a response but whatever.
Randy, here’s Cano’s numbers on each count.
http://www.baseball-reference......r&t=b
Hmmm- so Michael Kay is younger than 52. I would guess he is 48ish
“Montero now 3 for 3 with 8th hr.”
He’s a man child. I expect him in AA in June or whenever he gets 200 abs.
Michael Kay is in too much personal information mode tonight.
tim boat: sucker.
run brett
montero is a monster.
we are absolutely loaded at the catcher position.
Gardner is the man
tim obviously, just got off the boat
very nice
Got one of the runs back. Let’s get the other one, Mark!
Jeter is four hits short of 2600 and still three runs short of 1500.
Whew thank god i didnt respone to your comment Nick. Didnt know it was sarcasm. I was going to add that the no hit bid would still be in tact if THE EYES as the women here call him was behind the plate. Ill just keep that to myself.
Montero now batting .353.
# randy l. May 30th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
“Looking for any excuse to rag on Alex? The throw was off line.”
watch the replay.
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They showed it. he had to go to his right to catch the ball. then dive to make the tag.
“I was going to add that the no hit bid would still be in tact if THE EYES as the women here call him was behind the plate.”
That nickname is earned. The dude has some mesmerizing eyes.
Did YES have Cleveland with 3 runs for a moment or am I losing it?
DT – OPPC member (it’s in our blood)
May 30th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
tim obviously, just got off the boat
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More like he missed the boat.
Hey what if boatmans statement was intended to be sarcasm?
PreteFunkEra
May 30th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Did YES have Cleveland with 3 runs for a moment or am I losing it?
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I consulted my DVR. YES goofed. Your sanity is intact. (I think- I don’t know you very well)
ajax 1 for 2 with a walk…2 steals…he is now 11-0 stealing bases
S.o.S.
May 30th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Hey what if boatmans statement was intended to be sarcasm?
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In that case, everything said about him would be sacrasm, also.
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Oh yeah, I also do autographs for $10.
A-Jax needs to start hitting HRs before I consider him a serious prospect
We don’t need another Gardner
GreenBeret7
May 30th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
S.o.S.
May 30th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Hey what if boatmans statement was intended to be sarcasm?
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In that case, everything said about him would be sacrasm, also.
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This is getting very deep and philosphical now. LOL
gb7
cano doesn’t seem to have much trouble on 0-1 either. he hits .363
wow he crushed that
I consulted my DVR. YES goofed. Your sanity is intact. (I think- I don’t know you very well)
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Thanks Erica. I can stop arguing with the voices.
“Hey what if boatmans statement was intended to be sarcasm?”
Can we have a ruling on this?
Can a faux serious comment garner a equally faux serious comment?
Or, is this the great paradox of the internet age?
Bad pitch selection there to Grady. That was just ego dictating that.
CC doesn’t look as sharp anymore.
“A-Jax needs to start hitting HRs before I consider him a serious prospect”
yeah that makes a lot of sense..not
Why doesn’t Michael Kay just come right out and say that Cleveland is a giant cesspool?
Day-o. Sizemore looked healthy there.
Sizemore-What elbow problem?
And as I say that, he throws a nasty hook. We need him to get through this inning and give us one more.
David Price struck out 11 in his win today. He only went 5+ innings, throwing over 100 pitches. See, Joba isn’t the only youngster struggling with pitch count in the bigs.
That last pitch was unhittable.
UDATE, 9:13 p.m.: The GoodYear blimp is overhead for some reason.
that’s not a blimp, Pete. That’s the mother of all midges.
CC at 88 pitches.
Well CC was due for a average start ill take 7 innings 3 runs. So lets go CC
At this point, I’ll be happy if he gets through this inning with no more damage.
randy l.
May 30th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
gb7
cano doesn’t seem to have much trouble on 0-1 either. he hits .363
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Yeah, he’s lethal early in the counts. It’s when he gets behind that he gets jumpy. You can’t walk off of the island.
Mark-Cant Touch This (Milk man Rules)
May 30th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Well CC was due for a average start ill take 7 innings 3 runs. So lets go CC
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Not to argue semantics, but isn’t anything more than 6 and 3 or less earned runs considered a quality start?
Michael Kaye doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
This is a different species bug then the midge, the midge is a tiny May fly, these look to be some type of cream Caddis fly.
All different type species of bugs come off the lake to mate, that’s what they’re doing in the air. It happens after dusk.
As with most may flies, the midges have no mouths or digestive tracts and have 24 hours to do their thing and die on the water with their eggs.
Why Joba spraying the midges with bug spray made no sense, they weren’t attacking him, just trying to mate.
The DP really is a pitcher’s best friend.
nice DP
Well done, CC. Big double play. He should be able to get through 7 now.
“In that case, everything said about him would be sacrasm, also.”
I should have taken a Socratic oath to not confuse tim boat.
“Why Joba spraying the midges with bug spray made no sense, they weren’t attacking him, just trying to mate.”
And how the heck were the Yankees supposed to know that? They play in NY. They know roaches, not midges.
“You can’t walk off of the island.”
so that’s why Rocco Baldelli was such a good hitter?
Why does Posada wait until the pitcher is in his windup to “frame” the pitches, unlike Molina and the rest of the Yankee catchers?
So Joba was surrounded by midges engaged in the act of coitus.
I wonder who’s positioning the infielders? Rodriguez seems to be playing further off of the line, even for right handed hitters, than last year. Clearly, Rodriguez isn’t getting the signals.
Laura – Stay in 1st place together, strike out alone!
May 30th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
“Why Joba spraying the midges with bug spray made no sense, they weren’t attacking him, just trying to mate.”
And how the heck were the Yankees supposed to know that? They play in NY. They know roaches, not midges.
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I grew up in Howard Beach, Queens. I am more of an expert in giant water bugs
CC has really labored the last 2 innings
we should pitch in to get Matsui a power scooter.
We New Yorkers also know big rats in the subways. I sort of hope one day we take those out to harrass the Cleveland pitchers in revenge.
Living on the Jersey shore, I’m an expert on all types of vermin. Many of which are looking to mate.
“I wonder who’s positioning the infielders? Rodriguez seems to be playing further off of the line, even for right handed hitters, than last year. Clearly, Rodriguez isn’t getting the signals.”
The question is, is he giving the signals to the opposing team?!?!
“I grew up in Howard Beach, Queens. I am more of an expert in giant water bugs”
Yuck!
Wherever there is a lake, stream or river there are mayflies, caddies flies and stone flies that all come off the water to mate. The water temperature determines when the bugs come off.
Never been to the Catskills huh?
Home of American Flyfishing.
Cervelli tomorrow with Hughsie
Matsui sure could use a Segway
http://i43.tinypic.com/do9v9c.jpg
Cano’s last AB.
lol ump
Kevin in the 908
May 30th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
We New Yorkers also know big rats in the subways. I sort of hope one day we take those out to harrass the Cleveland pitchers in revenge.
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The sight of a rat in the subway will never cease to make my stomach turn
“We New Yorkers also know big rats in the subways. ”
When I lived in NYC, I lived across the street from CPW. The rats were there as well. After awhile, you get used to them.
My gosh, Matsui cannot run.
If there are roster issues down the road, I could imagine him being DL’d.
Are there still lightening bugs in Westchester during the summer ????
Mayflies have it much better then us, no mouths, no time to waste.
Talk about a cheap date.
Pat M
May 30th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
Are there still lightening bugs in Westchester during the summer ????
*****
We got those in Queens and still on Long Island. I used to LOVE trying to catch them as a little kid. Seriously, I would run in circles chasing them until bedtime.
Yankee Trader
May 30th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
“I wonder who’s positioning the infielders? Rodriguez seems to be playing further off of the line, even for right handed hitters, than last year. Clearly, Rodriguez isn’t getting the signals.”
The question is, is he giving the signals to the opposing team?
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Rodriguez must be using fake signals, because NYY keeps winning. Right now, he’s slumping. No homers in about 4 games.
What an arm Alex!
“Are there still lightening bugs in Westchester during the summer ????”
There were last summer. Might still be too early this year.
Tex makes everyone around him better. What a great glove.
Yea cuz gameday has a tracker in the ball
The person who operates game is sitting in the press box with a mouse and clicks where he or she thought the ball went
GB
Alex played the line okay there.
So Joba was surrounded by midges engaged in the act of coitus.
the physical act of love.
“What an arm Alex!”
Yeah, but according to Cashman, Ransom is a better 3B. I keep bringing that up because every time I think about Cash saying that, it pisses me off. I mean, really. You are paying a guy 32mil a year to play third for you and you go on a radio station and say that some scrub in the minors is a better third baseman? Are you kidding me, Cash?
CC is getting sloppy.
“So Joba was surrounded by midges engaged in the act of coitus.
the physical act of love.”
Oh, yeah? Well, the next time those midges need to go find a frakin’ room!!!
Ring the Pen…..Good to hear about the lightening bugs, great childhood memories…..
Damon with some good D.
I get a feeling this might be CC’s last inning.
People can start whining about who Joe puts in to finish it out.
RhapsodyInBlue
May 30th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Tex makes everyone around him better. What a great glove.
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Teixeira had very little to do on that play other than wait for the throw to get there.
Does anyone know the Texas/BC score? I dont know if i should say this but im sort of a Longhorn fan. Dont tell SJ.
I can’t imagine there is anyway we see Aceves tonight. There is a decent lead- maybe its a Veras night
“Are you kidding me, Cash?”- laura
cash to laura-
“That’s just crap. Wake up and smell the coffee.”
pat
May 30th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
GB
Alex played the line okay there.
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Yeah, he did. Nice grab and a rocket throw.
This should be his last inning.
Laura, did cash seriously say that? On what radio station? He’s an idiot if he did.
Has there been a Bill Dickey Yankeeography yet?
“cash to laura-
“That’s just crap. Wake up and smell the coffee.”
LOL! Touche.
c’mon CC. 1 more
The Yanks need to get CC out of there after this inning.
He can’t pitch the 8th. CC is a Startah.
GreenBeret7
May 30th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Teixeira had very little to do on that play other than wait for the throw to get there.
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Giambi couldn’t have made the stretch to catch the ball.
“Laura, did cash seriously say that? On what radio station? He’s an idiot if he did.”
He said it on Francessa’s show when it came out that Alex needed surgery.
extra innings in Austin. still 2-2.
Way to go CC!
Well i did here that Ransom is the most gifted player on the team(jumping, running, one on one b-ball, everything). Maybe he just freazes in front of cameras. Shrink should fix that. Ask Alex for the number.
Good job CC…
If Brian Cashman said it, it must be true.
Cavs down 18 at Halftime.
Magic just puting a hurt on the Cavs….Just cover baby…
CC actually raised his ERA from 3.42 to 3.46
Robertson next inning?
Veras should not come in unless we have a double-digit lead!
oh great. I beat Dr. Cox just ran on the field.
get off the field. Security!
I bet too.
lol Lakers are going to destroy the Magic
Please no Veras. I’m begging you Girardi.
We haven’t had any people run on the field at the new stadium yet. Actually, I think security has orders to shoot anyone who does…unless they came from the Legend Seats.
“oh great. I beat Dr. Cox just ran on the field.”
Did his sign say “Arrest Me”?
What was the spread in the game?
)
(I save my gambling money for slot machines
Come on down Robertson
Speaking of retro uniforms. Didnt that yankees way back when GB was a kid not have the interlinking NY on their uni’s? It was just pinstripes? If so, why not go that route in these games and borrow David Wells babe ruth cap for the game. Im sure he wouldnt mind.
Magic laying a duece
“Did his sign say “Arrest Me”?”
lol – could be. He said he had a sure fire way to get noticed.
he’ll get one phone call in jail. I hope it isn’t a wrong number.
“I beat Dr. Cox just ran on the field.”
No, but I bet the beating is being administered right now.
Dr. Cox… good one.
Thats a big spread. I would have picked the Cavs as well. I am kind of rooting for the Magic against the Lakers, but I doubt it will happen
Ho hum. Another Yankee win.
Yippy-I-O-KI-Ay!!!!!
what did I miss?
One phone call? Pete, make sure the iPhone is turned on!
Welcome to roberston’s neighborhood.
Robertson in
It was Orlando -2.5
nice!
way to challenge these hitters.
Actually, Dave Robertson is playing peek-a-boo with his glove
We haven’t had any people run on the field at the new stadium yet.
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I think with the rumors that Yankee Stadium is 5x as expensive to watch a game than any other stadium. They are probably scared of that it is the same theory with a hefty fine.
Glad Robertson is finally getting a chance.
that’s weird. watching robertson pitch, you’d think throwing strikes was an effective way to get hitters out.
Deuce- wow, I had temporary insanity. For some reason, I translated that to a 12 point spread. LOL.
For the love of christmas, can they stop talking about the errorless streak already.
aha the truth about the YES gun!
aha the truth about the YES gun!
anybody wonder who the idiot Indian fan is that beats on the drum throughout the game?
the yes gun is so far off…robertson has touched 93.5 via gameday
When the Yankees finally do make an error – I hope it’s not the catcher doing it.
the Truthers would be debating for days.
Alex looking like Alex.
YES needs to fix their gun. Gameday has Robertson’s fastball consistently at 91-92 mph. If he can locate that pitch and get his curveball over, he’ll do fine at the major league level. He has already shown a great ability to strike people out.
nice play by alex.
Justin snyder just gave Trenton a 5-3 walkoff win with a 2 run homer.
Shelley Duncan has 2 homers and 5 RBI, Rodriguez has a homer. Jackson is 2-3 with 3 runs scored, 1 RBI, 2 steals and a walk. zero strikeouts.
YES gun is way off as usual. His FB is 91-94 mph.
Cashman is smoking “boli” if he thinks ransom is a better def. 3Bman than alex.
The truth is out there
This is the best pitching rotation in the majors hands down.
Cavs -4.5 2H
Robertson hit 94 mph in that last AB. Hopefully he’ll emerge as a good reliever for us. He definitely has the talent.
Robertson hit 94 mph in that last AB. Hopefully he’ll emerge as a good reliever for us. He definitely has the talent.
Nick take it!! Love that bet!!
“Justin snyder just gave Trenton a 5-3 walkoff win with a 2 run homer.”
did he get minor-pied?
We owe Carl Pavano tomorrow. this time he gets pounded into submission.
pavano
I noticed they don’t have Phil Hughes saying “Only on YES” yet.
DT – OPPC member (it’s in our blood)
May 30th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
“Justin snyder just gave Trenton a 5-3 walkoff win with a 2 run homer.”
did he get minor-pied?
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A banana flavored Moon-Pie.
Saying “Pavano” to a Yankee fan, is like mentioning “Newman” to Jerry Seinfeld.
Sweet Lou
His name is John Adams and I don’t know why I know that.
Robbie
I am wondering if I should DVR the game while I am at the stupid wedding tomorrow
I like the Cavs 2H too.
I like how the YES promo said that Hughes was pitching to “cement his spot in the rotation.”
I hope nobody translated that to Mandarin!
This offense looks insanely good. Look at how many runs we scored this past week.
Man that is messed up. You guys didnt question the high reading on the gun when C.C. was throwing 97. Now that Robertson gets in and throws 94. Now the guns need to be reclobrated. Cant a minimum wage player get any love here?
I’m watching the Indians broadcast and they had Robertson at 91-93.
Sui!
10-3 yanks
Erica – Why not? There’s nothing to lose.
Cleveland, we are not done. We did not forget the 22 spot you put up at our beloved stadium.
He did hit 94 though. Even on the Indians (STO) gun.
Berroa!
Oh yeah, I forgot that Matsui was supposed to sit so that Cervelli could catch.
An Angel sighting.
Matsui is much better hitting to leftfield than trying to pull outside pitches……….
OMG, Berroa’s stache will not help his cause. Has he always had it, I never noticed. His sightings are so rare. LOL.
Angel in the Outfield?? Or infield??
Matsui’s knees are bad. I didnt realize how bad his knees are. And the yankees had the gall to suggest that matsui would be playing the outfield this year.
Joe from Long Island
May 30th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Erica – Why not? There’s nothing to lose.
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Everytime I set my DVR in anticipation of an amazing Yankee game, it has a terrible result and usually winds up in a loss. It usually winds up being the exact opposite of the outcome I was hoping for
I think Matsui will go back to Japan after this season and finish off his career there. He had a good 7 years here. I just hope he gets a our 27th title before leaving.
Nick in SF,,,Are you playing the 2nd half ???? I have the Magic for the game only…..Cavs will make a run though….
How bad was Matsui running? I missed his double. He looks kinda defeated standing in the dugout.
Berroa= Arch-Angel of blow-out wins?
3 hits for Matsu tonight, real good game. He could barely run tho, looks like the balky legs were acting up tonight. He’s probably gonna get the day off tomorrow as Cervelli will catch day-game-after-night-game. May as well put Jorgie at DH and maybe give Godzilla a wheelchair for the day
Why is Veras in?
Mariano is probably going to have to come in this game now
Erica
May 30th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
I am wondering if I should DVR the game while I am at the stupid wedding tomorrow
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It depends on whether it’s yours or somebody elses. If it’s yours, it’s doubtful that new hubby will understand when you tell him to at least wait until you’ve watched the most important men in your life.
LOL. I guess they needed those 9th inning runs
Veras..
Veras = homerun magnet
Yeah, feel bad for Matsui, can barely run it seemed, but he still had a good game tonight.
And Helloooo, Veras. HR Choo.
WHY IS VERAS IN THE GAME?
Pat M: yes, I took the Cavs -4.5 2H
Veras makes every game interesting. 1 pitch=1 run. Can Melacon do any worse???
Jose Veras is wasting no time tonight!
Looks like Veras is going to get some work in before Mo comes in.
I hope Veras gives up 2 or 3 runs so he finally gets shipped out……..
Veras is in casue hes out of options. What a joke he is. However, I’d rather have him throwing strikes than doing his usual walk-the-first-batter
>Why is Veras in?
To make sure nobody thinks he’s good. He wants everybody to be certain that he stinks.
Choo sticks it to the Yankees again…
OMG PLEASE CUT HIM
Poor Veras…
GreenBeret7
May 30th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Erica
May 30th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
I am wondering if I should DVR the game while I am at the stupid wedding tomorrow
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It depends on whether it’s yours or somebody elses. If it’s yours, it’GreenBeret7
May 30th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Erica
May 30th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
I am wondering if I should DVR the game while I am at the stupid wedding tomorrow
to at least wait until you’ve watched the most important men in your life.
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Someone elses. I would never get married during baseball season. Or October.
Thank goodness they brought in Veras, this game was getting boring.
DFA Veras and call up Melancon. Really right now Melancon can do a better job.
Screw the speed gun. Worst addition to baseball in recent years.
Welcome to the game Mr. Veras. HR, HBP… helluva beginning.
Fireworks? Really?
lol and he hits the next guy
Please tell me why this guy is here instead of Melancon
Yeesh.
This guy…just…ugh.
Before I could even type “Watch him let the first batter get on base”, he gives up a first batter – was that the first pitch? – HR. And now he hits the second batter.
This guy is lost.
Warm up Mo.
Get Veras out of there…HR, HBP…nice start.
If Mo has to get up, Girardi will be peeved.
Well, I guess he’s saving his pitch count by just hitting the batter he knew he would walk anyways
RE: veras
DFA
Get Rid of this guy. Every time he comes in he either walks a batter or gives up a homerun. He worst than Tanyon Sturze…
Are you telling me there is no one better in the minors than this guy?? Even Igawa looks like a better option…
Veras will be gone sometime in June, I hope.
Awful, simply awful.
I know its 10-4. But can we get rid of Veras even in mop up duties? I would even take Igawa for that role instead. Yes i said it.
Oh Veras! He just can’t help it. Put he absolutely pounded that strike zone. And he pounded DeRosa. The point is, he’s always pounding.
Please replace Veras, this is ridiculous. To think that I have his autographed ball on my desk.. time to put that one the attic.
only veras can turn a 7 run lead into a heart attack
He sucks so bad you can’t help it but laugh. 460 HR
Doreen
May 30th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
How bad was Matsui running? I missed his double. He looks kinda defeated standing in the dugout.
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watching Matsui running was painful. It was like watching Mantle run near the end of his career. He’d have to run more than 100 feet past 1st base on infield grounders….coasting to a stop.
No player aggravates me like Veras!
An outing like this might be the straw that broke the camels back for Girardi/Cashman
Let’s hope so
We complain when he doesn’t throw strikes, then we complain we he does throw strikes… and they get hammered.
We can’t have it both ways, folks.
Veras is garbage and really needs to be somewhere else. I really dont understand why he is still on the team. Wouldnt ANYBODY in the Yanks farm system be, at the worst, no better? Isnt it atleast worth a shot to bring somebody up and send Veras WAY down?
Please trade Veras for a school bus!!!
Veras = Felix Heredia
Benny Blanco
May 30th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
Get Rid of this guy. Every time he comes in he either walks a batter or gives up a homerun. He worst than Tanyon Sturze…
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It hurts with Sturze. LOL. I actually miss saying that everytime he came into a game
Bottom line – The guy throws 95+ and has a sick slider
Those guys don’t grow on trees. Too soon to give up on Veras
Tex saves Veras there.
Teixeira saves Veras another baserunner
Giambi=gaffe
Veras is in because this is about the only kind of game he can be useful in. Either he or Tomko would get this inning so Robertson would be available tomorrow. Aceves probably needs another day off.
Atrocious!!!!
Oh wow Tex! So not Atrocious!
Veras being Veras.
Tex sure can play him some first base.
Yes he has a good arm but he’s also 29 years old. If he can;t get it together now then when will he?
You just can’t make these things up..How many runs does Veras need to get people out?!?!! I hope a 6 run lead is enough for him….
JOSE VERAS IS A STARTING PITCHA!!
Vera=Felix Heredia………… That is VERY insulting to Felix!!
Here we are looking into trading for DeRosa and Veras has to hit him on the elbow!!
I guess every bullpen has a pitcher that the fans say “Oh no it’s that #@&*% again!!!!!!
John Sterling should come up with something when Teixeira makes a nice play in the field. Saying something like, “Standard Tex-messaging rates apply”
Veras is my least favorite Yankee. By far. Can they please DFA him already?
“Someone elses. I would never get married during baseball season. Or October.”
That’s why I got married in March. I’d never get married during baseball or football season. Thankfully, I have an understanding wife. She’s now a Yankee fan!
>We can’t have it both ways, folks.
The complaints arise due to Jose Veras giving it to us both ways.
Can you imagine if we didn’t get those tack on runs?
Silky Johnston
May 30th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
John Sterling should come up with something when Teixeira makes a nice play in the field. Saying something like, “Standard Tex-messaging rates apply”
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He would only say that if they could get Verizon to sponsor it
get veras OUT OF THERE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another run scores.
10-5 game. Mo better get ready……
Vera = absolute trash
getting close to a save situation.
Veras is a BUM!!!!
Veras = Farnsworth……….great stuff, lousy results…
So Veras is on the team still because he throws hard? Ridiculous!
I want to see dave eiland walk to the pitchers mound and slap veras upside his head with the rosin bag.
I just got back and I missed most of the game, but why isn’t Robertson in for another inning? I assume his 8th inning was good? Veras can’t even be trusted with a 7 run lead – he’s just a bad pitcher. I’ve said it before – fake an injury, DL him and work on his mechanics. If that’s not an option, just DFA him already
Veras is out of options? Bull****!
There’s always an option.
Slather him with midges and let the birds feast.
isn’t this a perfect time to send veras down? he’s only used in virtual blowouts so we can save the rest of the bullpen, and he still gives up runs and runners. what’s the point of keeping him around to pitch in meaningless situations and still suck instead of bringing up melancon? can someone please give me a good reason to keep veras up here?
Ummm is it now time to get a pitcher up? I am sorry but this is a joke already. There is NEVER a time that you can pitch him. He has no idea where his pitches are going or where the plate is…
i mean how long can they actually keep veras and his 7 ERA around?? What does it take, honestly?
First two roster moves to make are DFA veras and berroa
i really wonder what kind of dirt Veras has on Cashman and Girardi to stay on the team. It must be really devastating stuff.
Did they show the Indians bench when Veras was announced as the new pitcher? I imagine it looked something like a bunch of school kids about to be set loose in an all you can eat candy store.
Joe I
May 30th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
“Someone elses. I would never get married during baseball season. Or October.”
That’s why I got married in March. I’d never get married during baseball or football season. Thankfully, I have an understanding wife. She’s now a Yankee fan!
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Well, I am a CPA so I am not allowed to take off from January-April. Then its baseball season. So if I ever get married it would basically have to be a November wedding. And I would need to marry a fellow Yankee fan who won’t mind that
actually it was smart to pitch Veras against Cleveland.
They are looking for pitching. If Veras had pitched well, the Yanks might have been able to unload him on the Tribe for ten midges to be named later.
Maybe put Veras on the DL or something and work out his mechanics
Somebody tell Flash that a HBP is a walk……..
“Bottom line – The guy throws 95+ and has a sick slider
Those guys don’t grow on trees. Too soon to give up on Veras”
Its called AAA…ship him down until he straightens out.
Veras is losing his trade value. Get him out of there!!!
Oh great, we had to get Timko up.
They should make up an excuse and put him on the dl.
GB7, All this Manlte talk of late has inspired me to pull out the great movie 61 for my late night entertainment….
seriously! Veras has got to go. I mean COME ON!
Nasty pitch by Veras there… that’s why they won’t get rid of him. Look how good his stuff is.
1 more.
Berroa and Veras needs to go completely useless…
Ok i understand Veras is out of options and he has nasty stuff, but give me a break already he is just a much worse version of farnsworth at this point. How about the Yanks DL him with shoulder fatigue
Veras + Farsny + Ramirez + Tanyon + Viscaino + ( the guy who wore paul oneils number == Garbage Soup.
Can we dfa him and just have Swisher throw these games. I mean he throws 70 on the radar gun.
How much longer till this bum is released?
I’d love it if Dave Eiland took the ball from Veras and told him you’re outta here.
Veras is really Benitez in pinstripes.
The HBP to DeRosa was worse than the HR
“Maybe put Veras on the DL or something and work out his mechanics”
That’s funny. You really think he knows what mechanics are?
It’s good to be king.
WIN!!!
Veras should only be allowed near the mound if the Yankee lead is 10 or more.
Who would you rather come in during an important situation, Veras or Farnsworthless?
It’s really discouaging when a guy has an arm like Veras but doesn’t have the ability to repeat his motion. He’d be a killer out of the pen if he ever figured that part out.
Make up an injury so he can go to AAA and work on his mechanics…Good stuff doesn’t make some one good. Even though the Yanks are trying their hardest. So Veras needs at least a 6 run lead to get people out. Great way to waste a roster spot.
Veras did his job! Quit yer’ cryin’!
Wow, this road trip is looking good..4-1
veras is worthless. maybe the astros would want him as a bat boy.
Betsy
May 30th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
I just got back and I missed most of the game, but why isn’t Robertson in for another inning? I assume his 8th inning was good? Veras can’t even be trusted with a 7 run lead – he’s just a bad pitcher. I’ve said it before – fake an injury, DL him and work on his mechanics. If that’s not an option, just DFA him already
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Nah, you don’t want to push it with Robertson. Build up his confidence with a strong inning, then he’s avail tomorrow. No sense in having him throw too many pitches and then have to trust Veras in a tigher spot tomorrow. If Veras has to pitch, I want it with a 7 run lead.
no pie in the face for Veras I guess??? Maybe a slap off the head instead????
It’s really ***discouraging*** when a guy
Another win! Another error-less game!
Girardi even let Veras play so we’d have something to gripe about!
All is well!
“lauren May 30th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
“Bottom line – The guy throws 95+ and has a sick slider
Those guys don’t grow on trees. Too soon to give up on Veras”
Its called AAA…ship him down until he straightens out.”
I believe Pete has said he is out of Options!
Finally! Yankees win!
CC + Robertson + offense = great job
Veras= Atrocious!!
Ha, Jeter: Why did you just do that to us?
Jeter rocks
Atleast Farnsworthless could throw 1-2-3 innings in blowouts, his problem was pitching in big spots
Veras can’t pitch in either situation
DRC
May 30th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Who would you rather come in during an important situation, Veras or Farnsworthless?
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That’s when I close my eyes or maybe change the channel. LOL
I hope Kim Jones gets a bath in seagull crap. There will be an error made tomorrow, no doubt about that. What an idiot.
Grumble grumble grumble. Grumble grumble grumble. Grumble grumble grumble.
WHAT? WE WON????
GO YANKEES!
That inning kinda seemed like a mini-Joba outing. Maybe Veras should warm-up like Joba? Have batters stand-in while he’s warming up to come in for a relief appearance. Wouldn’t that be comical? It seems like the Yanks are willing to try anything before DFA’ing Veras, its painful to watch.
“Veras did his job! Quit yer’ cryin’!”
Now THAT is funny!
Breaking news: Johnny Damon, “the bugs don’t taste well”.
Johnny it should be the bugs don’t taste good.
DT – OPPC member (it’s in our blood)
May 30th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
If Veras had pitched well, the Yanks might have been able to unload him on the Tribe for ten midges to be named later.
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This is fantastic.
Ok, forget Veras for a second – what a great win by this team. CC was terrific (I’m going to catch this game on replay as I missed it) – just a horse – and the offense is still on fire. No errors again……..I love it, just love it. What I love is that this team wins at home and on the road – they don’t particularly care where they are.
In catching up with some posts earlier, I read about how Catfish was the leader of that team, trying to forge a bond between his teammates. These Yankees are truly a team – the honestly, genuinely care about each other and it shows. They also support each other, which is the most important thing. What’s not to like about this group? 1 1/2 game lead!
Seriously. Kim Jones might just be a cosmic jinx. What was she thinking?
I’ve supported hanging in there with Veras because of the physical tools but enough is enough. Whether it’s Melancon or a trade or whatever it’s time to say bye-bye.
Yeah… use one of your better relievers (Robertson) for a 2nd inning with a 7 run lead… makes perfect sense.
Nick in SF May 30th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Veras did his job! Quit yer’ cryin’!
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Nick really? Yeah he got 3 outs, but Joe had to get someone warm in the pen, cause he couldn’t trust Verass to hold a 7 run lead.
“I hope Kim Jones gets a bath in seagull crap. There will be an error made tomorrow, no doubt about that. What an idiot.”
I seriously have to wonder whether she is genuinely stupid or whether she just doesn’t get it – or worse, whether she just doesn’t care, as long as she does her chatty kathy act at the end of every game she can be as obnoxious as she wants to be.
jennifer
May 30th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Breaking news: Johnny Damon, “the bugs don’t taste well”.
Johnny it should be the bugs don’t taste good.
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No making fun of my pretend boyfriend
“Boy, Veras is brutal.”
seems like you write that every time he pitches, Pete.
Johnny, I’ll bet whipped cream tastes better, lol
Totally agree with Pete…where is Shelley Duncan? He is a big bat and a good clubhouse guy….unless he’s beating teammates up with his “elbow high 5.”
If you are on the Veras DFA train… than that outing was a POSITIVE
He isin’t going to get released if he threw a 1-2-3 inning. Infact, that would have bought him another week
Yankee Trader …….That was the best analogy on Veras yet…..GB is right also, such a great live arm, just cannot keep it together from night to night….Hell as of late it’s hitter to hitter……
woohoo we survived! i can think of only one reason to keep veras. in games wher either we are up by a bunch or down by a bunch, we don’t wanna waste some of the better pitchers in the bullpen. as long as veras only pitches during these situations i couldn’t care less. if anythign they should get him to be able to pitch 2 or 3 innings so we can really save the rest of the bullpen. anyone else agree?
I feel sorry for the early-May Yankee Bridge Jumpers.
They must be so sad.
I’m thinking of scheduling a bungee jump outing soon just so they won’t get bored.
yay..tomorrow is a early game. Phil is going out to protect his spot.
And tomorrow’s game starts at 12:40 PM
Even less time to enjoy it. But atleast we’re in 1st place no matter what even if we lose tomorrow.
“seems like you write that every time he pitches, Pete.”
That’s because he is. But as long as he is relegated to slop duty, who cares?
Ill trade Veras, for a new radar gun for the Yes Network. God knows the need one.
jennifer: I was just trying to be positive.
What more does Melancon need to do to come up here over Veras?
Erica- I love Johnny D as well. But I couldn’t miss a chance to point that out.
All this harping about Duncan and Rodriguez gets a little tiresome. Nady is almost ready to be activated and Ransom is not far behind. The first two are not on the 40-man, while the last two are! Can somebody please just enjoy the fact that the Yanks are in first place?! There is not one person posting here who knows how to do Cashman’s job as well as he does, so just sit back and enjoy the sweet smell of success.
Mark-Cant Touch This (Milk man Rules) May 30th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Ill trade Veras, for a new radar gun for the Yes Network. God knows the need one.
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I think thats the best trade proposal anyone’s ever posted
Can’t Melancon do what Veras does?? At least Melancon would be learning on the job instead of dealing with a head case. Or bring up Melancon for Tomko. Tomko doesn’t pitch unless there is a blow anyway.
Excuse me, Arnold…..sheesh.
BJK, good point…………Maybe Robertson will help us after all – that would be a huge lift.
CC = 4-0 in last 5 starts I think.
Pat M
May 30th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
GB7, All this Manlte talk of late has inspired me to pull out the great movie 61 for my late night entertainment….
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Love that movie.
I remember them interviewing Pat Maris and Merlyn Mantle during the filming, and they both said the same thing. Watching the two actors walk across the field together made them catch their breath, because they had everything about the two players down cold….including the looks. That had to be tough on them to watch in some respects. Billy Crystal did a great job on the movie.
The Yanks just won, are in first place, and all anybody is talking about is how bad Veras is. There’s a lot of need for therapy here.
Veras for Fausto Carmona, anyone? Nah I doubt it! It will have to be someone elses garbage who needs a change of scenery. Maybe the Pirates will take him off our hands, where he’ll shine like Ohlendorf!
Betsy, Those Yankee teams of the late 70′s were so funtamentaly sound…Their inner defense was as good as any team that has ever played the game……Nettles, Dent, Randolph, Chambliss & Munson…..Great bench as well….Martin just killed the staff….Dick Tidrow was a great bridge to Lyle & later The Goose…..One of my favorite Yankee teams…..
The reason Veras is still here is because Cashman wants to raise his trade value. He can only do that by pitching here. He doesn’t want to just DFA him, he wants to package him in a trade.
Cashman is always 10 steps ahead of everyone. Most people think Cashman is “clueless” for keeping Veras up here, when infact he has a good reason for doing so.
jennifer
May 30th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Erica- I love Johnny D as well. But I couldn’t miss a chance to point that out.
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Thankfully, I don’t love him for his brain
Get Veras the hell out of there!
I think I finally figured out what Veras is….he’s your buddy that always want to play in the scramble tournaments and you keep him on the team because he hits the ball about 300 yards even though you only end up using about four shots in the round.
Is it time to find out the price tag for Huston Street? It’ll take two pretty damn good prospects for sure. Kroenke and Romine?
Ransom will not be on this team when he comes off the DL – Pena has supplanted him and rightly so.
Eh, who cares about Kim Jones mentioning the streak?
Pat M-
Speaking of defense, I wonder how many people realize that Maris was a terrific Right fielder, ala Al Kaline, with a rocket for an arm?
“All this harping about Duncan and Rodriguez gets a little tiresome. Nady is almost ready to be activated and Ransom is not far behind. The first two are not on the 40-man, while the last two are! Can somebody please just enjoy the fact that the Yanks are in first place?! There is not one person posting here who knows how to do Cashman’s job as well as he does, so just sit back and enjoy the sweet smell of success.”
Wow Bob. Are we related?
Yes yes yes yes and yes to what you’ve said.
The Yankees are going to do what the Yankees are going to do. Yes, we’re in first place. (And by the way, that’s in spite of the Yankees, right? I mean everyone here made all the moves, correct?)
Anyway, there are a few of us here who are totally with you on this. Let’s just continue to enjoy this wonderful ride.
And by the way, if posters are jonesing for another player, ya think they’d figure that offense isn’t where it would be happening – why, because it isn’t needed right now!!!
Common sense. Not always flowing readily here IMO.
I can’t believe the error free streak is so small. Hopefully we’ll dethrone the Sux.
Rolex May 30th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
The reason Veras is still here is because Cashman wants to raise his trade value. He can only do that by pitching here. He doesn’t want to just DFA him, he wants to package him in a trade.
Cashman is always 10 steps ahead of everyone. Most people think Cashman is “clueless” for keeping Veras up here, when infact he has a good reason for doing so.
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That’s an illogical thing to say. To raise his trade value up from pretty much nothing, he would have to pitch well. If he’s pitching well,especially with the Yankees lack of depth in the bullpen, you wouldn’t trade him
Pat M, I’m sorry I was too young and not into baseball at that time (I was only 8 years old) – I do remember becoming a big fan of Willie and I still am – I love the guy. I think I would have loved Catfish as well…..not just because he was a great pitcher, but because he was a good man.
Bob, I have no problem forgetting about Veras. This team is just clicking right now…..
“Is it time to find out the price tag for Huston Street? It’ll take two pretty damn good prospects for sure. Kroenke and Romine?”
Huston Street is not worth 2 good prospects. He would not be the answer for our bullpen as the 8th inning guy.
I wonder if David Stern is watching this Cavs/Magic game and crying?
I swear, if there was a movie made about bob lorenz, steve carell could play him to a tee.
17 errorless games is no small sample when you have 9 players every night that have to be perfect. That’s why it’s only happened once in 133 years.
Yankee Trader
May 30th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
“Is it time to find out the price tag for Huston Street? It’ll take two pretty damn good prospects for sure. Kroenke and Romine?”
Huston Street is not worth 2 good prospects. He would not be the answer for our bullpen as the 8th inning guy.
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Agreed.. The answer is this kid name joba.
The only place Ransom is going when he comes off the DL is to AAA. He won’t see this roster. Also that was the funniest thing ever that the Yanks are pitching Veras to trade him..lol What are you getting in return for him a pack of hot dogs?
Looks like the refs are gonna give the Cavs every opportunity to get back into this. Although down 21 in the 4th is tough even with Lebron+ refs
“The Yanks just won, are in first place, and all anybody is talking about is how bad Veras is. There’s a lot of need for therapy here.”
if Veras doesnt get released soon yankees wont be in first place for long
“The Yanks just won, are in first place, and all anybody is talking about is how bad Veras is. There’s a lot of need for therapy here.”
if Veras doesnt get released soon yankees wont be in first place for long
The Yankees have nothing left to learn from the Veras experiment
Melancon is the answer to the 9th inning, if he ever gets the chance….
Rachel
May 30th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
The only place Ransom is going when he comes off the DL is to AAA. He won’t see this roster. Also that was the funniest thing ever that the Yanks are pitching Veras to trade him..lol What are you getting in return for him a pack of hot dogs?
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I was thinking he would be good for maybe 10 shiny new bats for Johnny Damon
“if Veras doesnt get released soon yankees wont be in first place for long”
Bingo. The pen is a huge liability, still. You can’t play with fire every night and expect not eventually get burned.
Yankee Trader, I know GB will agree on this…..Rog was a great outfielder as he played CF when Mick was out…He saved the 62 World Series vs. The Giants in the 9th inning in game 7 when he made a great catch on a line drive down the line and made a perfect throw to Richardson that kept Wille Mayes from scoring……He was so maligned by the NY press and the Yankee fans…He was a outstanding ballplayer…….
Now if you want to trade for Ryan Madson, I’d be interested. Phillies in dire need for starting pitchers.
I know that teams are generally not as good as they look during hot streaks and as bad as they look during cold ones, but I think the Yankees are this good…………not that I think they will keep playing like this. They’re getting solid starting pitching (no fluke because the starters are good), the offense is doing it’s thing (no fluke because we have very good to great offensive players), the defense has been excellent and the relief pitching has been ok… I would be somewhat concerned if the Yankees were playing out of their minds, with everyone on ridiculous hot streaks. That’s not the case……..What I also love is that they are getting contributions from unexpected sources: Cervelli, Gardner, Pena, Melky……..when is the last time we could say that?
“Huston Street is not worth 2 good prospects. He would not be the answer for our bullpen as the 8th inning guy.————————————————————————
Agreed.. The answer is this kid name joba.”
Hello Fatcessa didnt know you read the blog
NBA will still get its ratings because it’s the Lakers… but Yikes. Stern is not a happy man tonight.
Certainly not going to match the hype of Lakers-Celtics last year. LeBron vs. Kobe would have exceeded that by far.
Lakers in 5
Girardi’s YES post-game reaction audio:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/60740497fac90713/
Let’s get 17 tomorrow then 18 on Monday and wipe the Red Sox off the record books.
i figured out why veras is so bad…
HE’S A STARTTTTIN PITCHAAAAHHHH
i know..its getting old fast
C
May 30th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
“Huston Street is not worth 2 good prospects. He would not be the answer for our bullpen as the 8th inning guy.————————————————————————
Agreed.. The answer is this kid name joba.”
Hello Fatcessa didnt know you read the blog
roflmao
Okay kids- I am off. Enjoy the game tomorrow! Lets hope we pound Pavano. I will not be watching cause I will be at the stupid wedding, but I will be wondering about the game. Good night
I think if I had been around at the time, that Maris would have been my favorite instead of Mantle. I tend to gravitate towards the quiet players….and also to those who aren’t the most popular and beloved with the fans.
Lakers in 5? Really?
I disagree. That Laker team struggled with Denver, and Denver isn’t as good as the Magic. There’s no big man to keep Howard in check, and the outside shooting Orlando has is deadly. There are bad matchups all over the place in that series, and they all favor the Magic. Kobe’s good, sure, but LeBron is better, and the Magic have done just fine keeping everyone else in check and letting him do whatver.
Magic in 6.
I don’t see how this Yankee team is different from the 07 one that won 94 games and had like a .700 winning percentage after the ASB
Or the 06 won that won 97 games and cruised to the playoffs in August
2008 was an anomaly. I don’t know why people keep referencing it. Prior to that, we had gone to the playoffs 13 consecutive years.
Veras must go.
Also, I want to give props to Jeter – I knew the guy would have a bounceback year (and it’s just in time to shut those up who thought he was headed for an old age home)
Why in the world would the Phillies trade Madson?
Did you see Lidge at Yankee Stadium last weekend?
Pat M
May 30th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Yankee Trader, I know GB will agree on this…..Rog was a great outfielder as he played CF when Mick was out…He saved the 62 World Series vs. The Giants in the 9th inning in game 7 when he made a great catch on a line drive down the line and made a perfect throw to Richardson that kept Wille Mayes from scoring……He was so maligned by the NY press and the Yankee fans…He was a outstanding ballplayer…….
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People forget that Kaline was a fantastic center fielder before and was moving between center and right field. The Tigers had Rocky Colavito (great baseball name) in right field until they brought Billy Bruton in to play center field. Maris, Colavito, Clemente and Kaline were the four best defensive corner outfielders of that era.
Houston Street was an excellent closer in the AL for the past 4 years and has a 3.10 ERA this year. He’s only 26 too.
Doesn’t walk anybody, strikeouts about a batter per inning. His “down year” last year still finished with a 3.73 ERA (3.21 after the All-Star break).
If we could get our hands on him, he’d be perfect.
CC’s YES post-game reaction audio:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/60740757722b3d50/
Speaking about bounceback years, it’s Cano and Melky, as well as Jeter. Teixeira has been worth every penny. Lately the defensive franchise record is only still alive because of his glove at 1st, stopping some off target throws.
6 game lead by the All star break – bank on it
Donnie I wish there was a way for me to take your action…..The Magic did beat the Lakers both times they met this season….However The Magic’s magic is coming to an end…..Remember they bearly got by Boston…..Odom, Bynam & Gastol will rotate on Howard…..Kobe is Kobe, the best player on the planet….
Alex’s YES post-game reaction audio:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/607407854879e518/
Pel thanks soooo much.
Jorge’s YES post-game reaction audio:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/60740820b035d656/
Last year Huston’s ERA also was >4.0 against righties. I’m just not sold on him, and wasn’t he injury prone also last year?
Guys, you have to read this. This is what Peter Gammons wrote today.
NL West overshadowed by Manny
Saturday, May 30, 2009 | Print Entry
The Dodgers’ march through the National League West cost Bob Melvin and Clint Hurdle their jobs, two years after they managed against each another in the NLCS. The Diamondbacks fired Melvin two days after a two-game Dodgers sweep in Los Angeles; Hurdle was axed the day after the Rockies absorbed a three-game sweep by L.A. And the march may have prematurely forced what turned into the confusion that was the aborted trade of Jake Peavy to the White Sox.
That the Dodgers’ success has continued without Manny Ramirez makes one wonder what they will be when he returns, both in terms of who loses playing time and just how dominant that lineup will be with the maturation of the Dodgers’ young hitters in Manny’s absence.
They have run up the best record and run differential with Hiroki Kuroda only making one start, while Randy Wolf, Eric Stults, Eric Milton and Jeff Weaver are 9-2 as starters. While the bullpen is second only to the Marlins in innings pitched, Jonathan Broxton, Ramon Troncoso and Ronald Belisario have not been burned up, because the Dodgers have a comfortable 8½-game lead closing in on June.
Now Ramirez’s All-Star votes have obscured the Dodgers’ successes, such as James Loney’s RBI total or The Juan Pierre .400. Fans have the right to vote for Ramirez, and doing so is not a mandate on performance-enhancing drugs, or whether we will ever know exactly what he took, or why. But the best thing for Ramirez is to respectfully decline the honor if he is voted onto the team. He has earned more than $200 million playing baseball, and the sport doesn’t need what should be a feel-good promotional exhibition turned into another forum on the steroids era when, in fact, Ramirez’s suspension seems to affirm Bud Selig’s testing policy.
The best thing for Ramirez is to come back and simply let his skills speak for themselves. If he helps the Dodgers get to the World Series for the first time since Clayton Kershaw was 7 months old, he will be absolved in MannyLand. However, if he holds some forced mea culpa news conference as he prepares to return to the lineup, he will say something that will take on a Roger Clemens sound bite life of its own and be a further distraction from what he is already trying to put behind him.
In this wake, we are missing the pitching the Giants are amassing to the north, not only with Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum and the revival of Barry Zito, but the knowledge that within a year they will have added two more great arms in Tim Alderson and Madison Bumgarner (6-1, 1.09 ERA with a 44-8 strikeout-walk rate moving from the California League to the Eastern League) and the expectation that Buster Posey is their Matt Wieters. Beware the Giants the next few years because Brian Sabean, with Dick Tidrow’s advice and consent, is back in judging and developing talent.
We are missing the astounding major-league-leading home run production of Adrian Gonzalez in San Diego, where another wave of Friars may be on the way.
But, most of all, the arrival of one of the game’s best young players has been lost in the Dodgers’ wake. The All-Star issue should be less about the Ramirez morality play, and more about how the game should be the coming-out party for Arizona’s Justin Upton.
Upton is 21. He went into Saturday’s game seventh in batting at .337, fourth in OPS at 1.030, fourth in total bases and third in extra-base hits. GM Josh Byrnes has watched him take a Jake Peavy slider down and away and go yard to right-center; he has seen him take a Peavy fastball on the inside corner and pull it out.
“It truly is remarkable to watch Justin do what he does,” Byrnes says. “He is probably the best athlete in major league baseball. If all players were lined up for a race, he would probably be one of the five fastest. He’s going to be a Gold Glove outfielder, and it won’t be long from now. He cannot remain under the radar for long.”
Upton turns 22 on Aug. 25, but if one accepts this as his under-22 season, he will rank in the all-time top 10 in OPS, extra bases and total bases.
The D-backs are beginning to retool without Brandon Webb. Gerardo Parra, 22, has given them an old-school left-handed hitter who makes contact and sprays line drives in the middle of a right-handed-heavy strikeout lineup. Max Scherzer is emerging. Daniel Schlereth came up Friday, with his extraordinary stuff as a left-handed reliever. Jarrod Parker, 20, has 53 strikeouts in 49 innings climbing from Class A to Double-A.
The roller-coaster Padres are regaining their enthusiasm, which Kevin Towers thinks they never lost because of the intense spirit of David Eckstein, who Towers calls “our MVP.” Nick Hundley has established himself as a major league catcher; the speedy Everth Cabrera will be back off the disabled list in two or three weeks; Kyle Blanks and Will Venable each have nine homers in Triple-A; and San Diego will soon promote right-hander Mat Latos, whose stuff has been compared to that of A.J. Burnett and who is 4-0, 0.50 ERA with 12 hits and 38 strikeouts in 36 1/3 innings in Class A and Double-A.
Next week’s draft will add to the rebuilding. The Diamondbacks have seven of the first 64 picks. The Padres pick third, and while they have gone back and forth on whether or not to take Cartersville (Ga.) outfielder/quarterback Donavan Tate, they seem honed in on Vanderbilt left-hander Mike Minor. The Giants, who don’t seem to miss, have been rumored to be interested in taking Millville (N.J.) outfielder Mike Trout; Sabean has been to see Mission Viejo (Calif.) left-hander Tyler Matzek and may go in that direction.
The Dodgers had a jump on the rest of the division with one of the game’s most productive farm systems, and Ramirez helped some of their youngsters mature. But the rest of the division is building.
Manny doesn’t belong in St. Louis because he will have missed 50 games. Adrian Gonzalez, leading the league in homers with a 1.011 OPS despite playing at Petco, belongs there. And one of the major storylines should be Justin Upton, who just may be, as Michael Lewis puts it, the “new new thing.”
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When Alex Rodriguez finished the interview in which he admitted that he had used performance-enhancing drugs during his tenure with the Rangers, he stepped outside and said, “All of a sudden I feel free.” The failed drug test is behind him, so is the book, so is the hip surgery, and since he’s been back, the Yankees have been the best team in the American League. Now, there is not a direct correlation between Rodriguez’s return and the Yankees’ going from a 13-15 team to first place for the first time since the last day of the 2006 season. The Yankees had actually scored fewer runs per game with A-Rod than without him, but the staff earned run average that was 5.85 when he returned is 3.68 since.
But this seems to be a different Alex, not the guy that the great Frank Deford once described as trying to play the role of Alex Rodriguez in a movie about Alex Rodriguez. It seems he better understands what he is, namely a great baseball player, not Brad Pitt. He hasn’t made Mark Teixeira, who was hurt the first two weeks and has traditionally been a mediocre April hitter, but he has complemented him; now Rodriguez and Teixeira are what David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez were to Boston from 2003 to 2007.
These Yankees have a far different personality than the businesslike champions under Joe Torre. A.J. Burnett, CC Sabathia and Nick Swisher have brought a frat house element that has helped Rodriguez be himself. A-Rod has been able to go back to mentoring Robinson Cano and Melky Cabrera as he did two years ago, and it’s a role he enjoys. The whole Derek Jeter/A-Rod thing seems to have been put aside, and the team that seemed aged has enjoyed a youthful uprising: Cabrera is playing great (.849 OPS, best defensive matrix of any center fielder), Cano has an .880 OPS and a bunch of energetic farm system guys like Brett Gardner and Francisco Cervelli are contributing.
Phil Hughes has had three straight good starts, Chien-Ming Wang seems to be coming back, and the pitching depth the Yankees thought they had bought and developed now seems realistic. Despite the three wins and two holds from Alfredo Aceves, there are still concerns about the eighth inning, but they are keeping Joba Chamberlain in the rotation. One very good reason is that in his recent starts, Chamberlain has taken a couple of innings to get from 89-91 to 93-95. “How can we bring him in as an eighth-inning lockdown guy if he’s throwing 89-91?” asks a Yankee official. If he comes out throwing 95-98 again … maybe things will be different and he could pitch the eighth.”
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The Mets have rejected every inquiry about Bobby Parnell, including one from Washington for Nick Johnson. They love Parnell, and are worried that J.J. Putz is still at 93 mph with what one scout calls “a soft split. He used to be 98 with a killer split.”
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Boston has had four or five inquiries on Brad Penny, but unless the Red Sox get blown away, they will wait as they look for a shortstop and think about adding another bat should David Ortiz continue to struggle. When the Red Sox had their scouts covering the Braves, there was speculation Boston would trade for Jeff Francoeur, but it wasn’t so. The Red Sox were simply doing their normal coverage.
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One reason it sometimes take catchers so long to develop is that they’ve never called pitches in high school or college. “It’s easier for Matt Wieters, [Buster] Posey and [Boston's Tim] Federowicz because all three pitched in college and understand the pitching mentality.”
>thanks soooo much.
oops I didnt copy that whole thing, just the last paragraph..
Read the last paragraph.
typical new york attitude…. we have to boo mantle, boo arod, criticize something or someone to make us feel better, showing that we r in charge. we should be euphoric that we r playing so well and blowing by boston. but no, let’s get on a bullpen guy, who has potential, who they r trying to get straightened out.
Why do people keep discrediting Houston Street?
Mark Melancon will be lucky to ever be as good as Street is now.
He’s only 26 and has 102 saves, a 2.89 career ERA, 1.07 WHIP in the AL.
“I don’t see how this Yankee team is different from the 07 one that won 94 games and had like a .700 winning percentage after the ASB
Or the 06 won that won 97 games and cruised to the playoffs in August
2008 was an anomaly. I don’t know why people keep referencing it. Prior to that, we had gone to the playoffs 13 consecutive years.”
the difference is that we have a deep rotation and we have a Horse and a true Ace in CC
Street isin’t great, but who else is better that is realistically available?
So, I guess this means no more LeBron and Kobe puppet commercials..
I’m a little behind on the postgame. Just saw Redding. How brain dead is he? He pounds a cooler with this fists. Um you suck, and you are potentially injuring your hands. If you do you are done. What a moron!
jennifer,
Did you read his comments after the game?
“Even as professionals, there are days when you go out there and you are a little intimidated, because you know you don’t have your quality stuff,” Redding said. “You’re pitching scared in a way, just trying to do the best you can.”
LOL not the best day for Mr. Redding. The media is going to kill him for those comments
GB, Rocky Colavito…..The greatest of arm I’ve ever seen….I know I mentioned this once before, but I watched him throw out Bobby Richardson from the aux. scoreboard which was near the 407 mark by ten feet at second base…..The throw was a seed on the fly…Yopu could have hung a years worth of laundry on the throw…..
Pat M-
Maris’ 61 home run 1961 season. I remember listening to the 155th game in Baltimore, when time and again he hit towering shots to right field that went foul, and would have broken, or at least tied Ruth’s record that night against Milt Pappas.
http://www.baseball-almanac.co.....s12b.shtml
Don- Do you remember the one game he pitched for us. Totally awful. The guy sucks, not sure how he still finds a job.
The biggest question for me about Street is how will he take the role of a setup man being a closer all his Major league career
“Even as professionals, there are days when you go out there and you are a little intimidated, because you know you don’t have your quality stuff,” Redding said. “You’re pitching scared in a way, just trying to do the best you can.”
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I saw Maris throw out Luis Aparicio, trying to score on a deep flyout to right, but I have to agree, Rocky Colavito had one hell of an arm. Now Clemente had an arm and a half, but often could throw it into the stands from right field on a fly!
Redding sucks so no one will say anything about his comments.
Nice garbage time 2H cover, Cavs. Thanks for showing up!
http://kimberlyjones.mlblogs.c....._clev.html
This is one of Kim’s best blog posts. I wonder what a Cornhole bean bag game is – whatever it is, it made Tomko and AJ sweat, lol.
Love Tex putting the signed back page in Jorge’s locker…….and, of course, Mo. What a gentleman……when he retires, it will be a sad day for the sport.
when is Livan gonna get hammered
Redding must always be pitching scared then because he sucks lol
Yankee Trader, I agree with you on Roberto and even Dave Parker…The Rock made these throws as if he were a shortstop throwing to first….He could air it out, at least 400 feet….
Nice 2H cover, Cavs. Thanks for showing up!
Pat M
May 30th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
GB, Rocky Colavito…..The greatest of arm I’ve ever seen….I know I mentioned this once before, but I watched him throw out Bobby Richardson from the aux. scoreboard which was near the 407 mark by ten feet at second base…..The throw was a seed on the fly…Yopu could have hung a years worth of laundry on the throw…..
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Imagine having a kid from the Bronx playing left field for 10 years at Yankee stadium. There wasn’t any part of the park he couldn’t reach….but, that arm.
Most people don’t remember that he picked up a win in relief in 1968 with the Yankees. Gave up 1 hit, a walk and a strikeout in 2.2 innings in a game. He also pitched 3 scoreless innings for Cleveland in a game in 1958.
Actually, it was 2 walks with the Yanks.
i hope for the subway series we get tim redding,Livan, john maine
The people/posters who ridicule those who prefer Joba in the pen = the real morons. What is wrong with having differing opinions in the sport of baseball?
Street lost his closer job to Brad Ziegler in the middle of last year, and actually did better out of the closers role in the 2nd half of the season (3.21 ERA after the All-Star break, 4.07 ERA before)
If Cashman could get him, it would be great
Knowing our lucky, when we play the Mutts, we’ll get Santana-Pelfrey and Oliver Perez will be mysteriously healed.
C
May 30th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
when is Livan gonna get hammered
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During and after his next start.
Thanks for the link, Betsy. That was a great post, indeed.
C
May 30th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
when is Livan gonna get hammered
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During and after his next start.
Funny stuff
“Knowing our lucky, when we play the Mutts, we’ll get Santana-Pelfrey and Oliver Perez will be mysteriously healed.”
probably we somehow get all the ace of the staff of every team we play
probably we somehow get all the ace of the staff of every team we play
and WIN anyhow
You’re welcome, Vin! How funny is that pic of Tex doing the royal wave thing?
Its phil hughes time.
Just watched the post game. If Derek or Alex makes an error tomorrow, it’s on Kim Jones for asking them about it.
Jon Heyman twitter:
there’s a lotta scuttlebutt among yankee types that lebron will be a knick. could just be wishful thinking, dont know
Cardinals’ announcers are boring.
Release Veras, sign LeBron as a reliever?
Well some of LeBron’s best friends are CC, A-Rod, and Jeter… so they probably will put a sell job on him when time comes (regardless of what they say publicly).
Timberlake on SNL repeat. Mother Lover song is priceless.
Shelly Duncan position player?? that man is a butcher
That said he is worth more than Berroa
Why can’t the Yanks put Veras on the DL with anxiety of the strike zone? They wouldn’t be lying….
One thing that helps Hughes tomorrow is that Victor Martinez is almost certainly going to be out of the lineup.
I’d be surprised if he does anything more than pinch hit the rest of the series and probably won’t even be able to do that.
Veras really serves no purpose
Bring Melancon up here
new post
Uncle Ellsworth May 30th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
Timberlake on SNL repeat. Mother Lover song is priceless.
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Why does no one give Andy Samberg credit?
Mark DeRosa would be a great add to this team. can play all positions & is a good bat
i’m a few days late here, Pete.
suggesting only 5,000 would show up at the yankee/indian game in the event of a cavs/magic game 7 is absurd. maybe a few less people, but do you really think the same people show up to all the games in cleveland? like there’s one set of ‘cleveland fans’ that pick what they want to do each morning?
don’t be ridiculous.
baseball fans like baseball. and not everyone likes basketball. if people bought tickets, they show up…
kind of wish there was a game 7 to prove you wrong…