Pettitte: I’ll make my next start
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on May 30, 2009 
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Andy Pettitte hurt his back on Monday in Texas, stretching in the outfield after a workout. He loosened up enough to start tonight but aggravated his condition a few times when he slipped on the mound.
Pitchers dig a hole for their landing foot and need traction to keep from skidding. Pettitte missed his spot a few times and every time he did, it caused pain to flare up. That’s what you saw in the third inning when he walked Vic Martinez and Jhonny Peralta to load the bases.
But Pettitte fought through five innings. Once he was unable to finish off his pitches, Joe Girardi came and got him.
“He’s a fighter. He’s going to find a way to get through it,” Jorge Posada said. “I’ve known Andy a long time and he’s not coming out even if he’s messed up. He wouldn’t admit it.”
Pettitte made a sour face when asked if he would miss his next start.
“No, no, no,” he said. “I’ll be there.”
Girardi also said he expects Pettitte to be there. But the Yankees will keep an eye on him. There is no sense risking further injury at this point in the season, especially with Chien-Ming Wang twiddling his thumbs.
Tonight marked the 58th time that Mariano Rivera saved a victory for Pettitte. That broke the record held by Dennis Eckersley and Bob Welch. The Eck was here tonight, as it turns out, prepping for the TBS telecast on Sunday.
As records go, it’s not much to excited about. A save is sort of meaningless (as is a win, often times) and Rivera didn’t much seem to care. But it is a testament to longevity.
“We’ve been together a long time,” Rivera said. “My memory doesn’t go that far.”
Of greater significance is that the Yankees have won 13 of 16, they’re in first place and are performing well in all three aspects of the game.
Yanks-Tribe again tomorrow. CC Sabathia back in Cleveland, facing Fausto Carmona. 7:05 start on YES. We’ll drop a few posts on you during the day.
Andy is a true Yankee. Tough, reliable, and great all of these years. I wish we had him for his entire career.
Thanks Pete
I’m glad it’s not serious. MLB.com had Pettitte’s exit as one of it’s headlines. I did immediately think of CMW, though.
Feels great to be in first place. Hope we can keep it going and widen the gap a little bit.
O/T, but WooHoo! @ the Lakers!
I’m just getting through the 2007 season in the Joe Torre book. Cashman deserves a lot of credit for rebuilding and not panicking which helped get us to this point. In fact being that the Yankees are playing so well and in sole possession of first place, it makes it much more tolerable reading through the 2007 chapters.
Los Yankees en primer lugar!!!!!
Gli Yankees in primo posto!!!!!
Les Yankees en premiere place!!!!!
In every language, the Yankees are in first place!!!!!
What’s are magic number?
Let the countdown begin!
Yes, a testament to luck, longevity, and a kick-ass offense.
OK, obviously that undersells the fact that Andy’s been a very good pitcher and Mo’s the greatest one-inning pitcher ever, but as you said Pete, saves and wins are both meaningless.
On SportsCenter’s intro one of their intro leads was “Pettitte Hurting”…
BJK – the GREAT post of yours yesterday, do you remember which thread it was in?? I wanted to show my dad lol
Silky – anything to make the FIRST PLACE Yankees look bad lol
This is really funny…Pettitte talking about when he first meet Mo in ’91 in instructional league he was thinking:
“This guy’s going to have to come up with another pitch or he’s not going to stick around here.
“And here we are, all these years later, and he’s the greatest closer of all time.”
http://njmg.typepad.com/yankeesblog/
“What’s are magic number?”
LOL, speaking of getting ahead of ourselves, I recall a couple years ago, Francessa just tore into Johnny Damon for admitting the Yanks had been scoreboard watching as the Birds blew a ninth-inning lead against the Sox in May, then promptly began discussing the potential playoff rotation ramifications if the Yankees got the spaced-out schedule in the playoffs.
If memory serves me correctly, Carmona was tougher on us than Sabathia in the 2007 ALDS…
But CC has been money for us lately…it should be interesting…
Go Yanks!!!!!
Carmona’s line against us in the ALDS 07 was:
9 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 2 BB, 5 K (solo HR to Melky was his only blemish)
We eventually lost the game in the 11th
Shows you how much he was dealing that he threw a complete game against us in a tie game. Cleveland had a sick bullpen that year too with Betancourt, Perez, and Lewis.
Yeah, Carmona’s completely fallen apart since ’07.
No need to worry, I did the math myself.
Magic number to clinch AL East: 114
We should start setting up our post season rotation right now. JK.
Carmona has been horrible his season with almost a 7 era. But he does pitch good against the Yanks. Hopefully with all of the lefties in the lineup they will be able to score some runs and give CC a lead.
Pete you old dog, you got a little “face time” in your blue jacket on YES in the clubhouse when Kim Jones was interviewing Mariano. Next time stop and say hello to your loyal bloggers!!!
Brett Gardner should consider wearing David Byrne’s big suit.
That’s BS that Sabathia is starting. He should only be used in the most important position in baseball, the 8th inning guy out of the bullpen. They’re wasting his talents as a useless top of the rotation guy. What the hell are they paying him all that money for if they can’t consistently get the ball to Rivera?
The second place Red Sox won’t be looking at up the Yankees for long with a guy like Okajima pitching the eighth inning, regardless of how much their starters have struggled. Not a single Red Sox starter has an ERA within half a run of CC, or his inferior teammate Joba, but don’t let that fool you. Stop the madness and get some scrub to start the game and get CC in the bullpen to get that 8th inning magic going.
islesfan definitely needs to lay off the pipe.
>If memory serves me correctly, Carmona was
>tougher on us than Sabathia in the 2007 ALDS…
Let’s look at it this way: he’s not quite the same worm-killer from 2007.
His line-drive percentage is UP.
His ground ball percentage is DOWN.
His fly ball percentage is UP.
His home run to fly ball ratio is UP.
2007: 212 IP, 17 HR, 61 BB, 137 SO
2008: 120 IP, 7 HR, 70 BB, 58
2009: 53 IP, *5 HR*, *35 BB*, 33 SO
Da yanks needs to *NOT* swing at da junk.
Art Vandelay
Andy is a true Yankee.
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Who’s not a true Yankee?
j/k
In Carmona’s last start against the Rays, the Tampa hitters took 17 consecutive pitches. He walked 4 in a row on 16 pitches.
Our hitters need to have that patience. DON’T SWING.
Andy is a tough fighter,what’s a nice Veteran with responsibility and contribution for Yankee. However who din’t gain the respection by Yankees manager team past
of years especially in 2009.
“DON’T SWING.”
Tell that to Cano…..
“islesfan definitely needs to lay off the pipe.”
Yea, what the hell was that about.
>Yea, what the hell was that about.
He was being ultra-sarcastic? I dunno.
Sarcasm. Learn it, live it, love it.
Does anyone hate michael kay as much as I do?
He’s terrible. All the time.
A true Yankee is a player that has left a positive mark on the franchise.
Someone who is not a true Yankee either just plan stunk in a Yankee uniform or even worse, took the team’s money and didn’t perform.
Carl Pavano (Need I say more)
Ruben Sierra (during his first stint with the Yankees)
“A true Yankee is a player that has left a positive mark on the franchise.”
Actually, a true Yankee is anybody on the active twenty-five man roster. Last time I checked, anyway.
I watched Carmona’s last game against Tampa Bay. Angel Hernandez squeezed him big time to give the Rays a big inning. Then gave the game back to the Indians by squeezing the Rays’ relievers in a seven-run ninth that was mostly walks. Pretty much a travesty. With a different ump, leaving bat on shoulder may not work.
It’ll be interesting to see who gets the call in the 7th/8th with Aceves presumably unavailable. I’d like to see Robertson get the call but Joe probably doesn’t trust him enough yet, so it’ll be Coke/Veras. Hopefully C.C. can just throw 8 innings.
Does wang’s last scoreless outing in the majors mean absolutely nothing? Did he not go 2 innings and give up no hits or walks while striking out two in texas? I dont know why the talk of the town seems to be that wang has proved nothing when that clearly shows he can get major league hitters out well at least for two innings he can.
I love how multiple radio show hosts are proclaiming that joba is a failure or just mediocre as a starter and should go to the pen while phil hughes should take the last spot when wang comes back. Yet, joba and cc stand alone as the only two yankee starters with eras under 4 currently. Not to mention, hughes was completely blown out multiple times this year in between two stellar performances. Does that mean that hughes is all of a sudden somehow a better starter than joba based on the evidence? I think he could be but according to the stats that just is not very true.
I think wang never should have been brought up before he was ready – he should still be pitching in minor league games instead of wasting away in the pen waiting for a short stint by a starter and a blow out. That was a horrible stupid move by whoever made it (Im guessing the cashmoney genius.) Anyway, hughes should have a few more starts to show if he is the dominant guy we have seen glimpses of or just not ready yet as we have also seen at times. Joba should really not be moved to the pen in any scenario – he needs a year as a starter and its just not fair to move him back now. We have bruney, aceves, marte, robertson and melancon at some point to form a pretty quality pen with Mo – we wont need joba;s dominance when all those guys are in the bullpen.
By the way, not only are we in first place in the division but we now are tied with the third best record in baseball and only the rangers and dodgers are in front of us. The rangers who are likely a fluke and probably wont even finish in first place in their four team division and the dodgers who will likely go on a skid and fall flat on their faces later on this season.
I hope Andy is OK. If he is on the DL, then he would have a long way to “earn” his position back from the bullpen.
Nice use of the bullpen by Giradi tonight.
JoeT – here’s the link to it.
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....ent-816170
From Bryan Hock: Not to beat you over the head with it, but the Yankees aren’t taking their cues from WFAN. The idea of Joba Chamberlain to the bullpen “is not something that we’ve talked about,” Joe Girardi said. And everyone in the organization seems to be tired of the constant pushing from outside to make Chamberlain back into a reliever.
“That’s why the presidential debates are better – they end,” Girardi said.
Finally, someone with authority speaks out. Works for me.
I totally agree with Islesfan. The Yankees need a shut down 8th inning guy. Might as well make Sabathia the 8th inning guy.
That’s ridiculous, ray. CC is not proven in the 8th inning. How do we know he can handle the incredible pressure of being the 8th inning guy? We could move Mo to the eighth, but that hasn’t been his role for a decade or so. He might be rusty, crumble under the obscene pressure, and we might add to the massive amount of 8th inning blown saves we have this year… all 2 of them.
Also, try keep this in mind. The Yankees have a whopping 5 blown saves this year. That’s right, FIVE. Boston and Texas only have 3! Oakland and Colorado only have 4!
Only 21 other teams have more blown saves than us. Our bullpen is obviously such a disaster compared to other teams. You really want to trust CC in the 8th?
*sarcasm* Yes, by all means, time to trade Wang for a young outfielder or bullpen pieces, because as we all know, Andy and the rest of the starters will be PERFECTLY healthy for the rest of the season.
Andy is a fighter…Yanks in first, even with their pen. Looks like a fun summer.
Not knock on Pettitte, he really battled through and is a valuable asset. But if he can’t make his next start, Wang takes over and excels, here comes the question: will Yankees place Pettitte on long reliever as they put Wang, or bump Hughes/Joba out?
The answer is so obvious, isn’t it?
Pettite as a long reliever? what planet are you living on?
He has back pain, That is a condition that has been around since he became a old, wiley pitcher. Chill, he is a pro and will find a way. Man , his age and he is still eating innings, Andy is a stud!
Of course Yankees will bump Hughes/Joba out if my scenario even happens.
I am just saying that Yankees dare not treat Pettitte the way they treat Wang now.
Pettitte has couples of WS rings, true. But Wang has better stuff and record in these three years. Yankees treat him like a liability.
The whole debacle of Wang is 99% Yankees’ fault, if not 100%. First, they ordered Wang not to run in ST, making his hip weak. Second, they recalled him back without thinking through, and leave Wang high and dry now. And Cashman dare to claim that Wang, not Yankees, should be responsible for his 20 ERA?
wang will be back
ANDY HAS DONE HIS JOB. Yankees don’t mess with that. Wang didn’t, and now he has to work through it. He will
Saves are dumb but holds are dumber. I love the fact that if you come in to a 16-1 game and let up 10 runs you get a hold. Also, the guys who come in and pitch the 6th, 7th, and 8th with a 20-1 lead and let up 4 runs each inning get holds, but a guy who pitches a perfect ninth with a 4-1 lead gets nothing.
I guess it is time to create a new stat, the “EPNINSS”, a rolls off the tongue acronym for “Effectively Pitched Ninth in Non-Save Situation”.
Pete— A new post would be really nice this morning… anything to end the rampant goofiness on this one.
thanx
time to DL Pettitte. No need to take any chances. Wang steps in and when Andy’s ready to be activated, it’s time for a decision. If Wang has returned to form, then Hughes will be forced out, it just has to play out that way.
Dave L. May 30th, 2009 at 6:54 am
Saves are dumb but holds are dumber. I love the fact that if you come in to a 16-1 game and let up 10 runs you get a hold.
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Dave, you have to come into the game in a Save Situation to get a hold.
Here’s what I don’t understand about the diet coke king’s position, he is assuming that Joba will become the second coming of the greatest closer of all time based on a TINY sample size and then further saying that he is going to be a decent but not great starter. It doesn’t make sense. The guy talks about how amazing halladay, Beckett SANTANA, and now greinke are somehow magic after years of work but if joba isn’t now what they are he never will be. Please, the real answer is to fire Mike Francessa and put HIM in the 8th inning.
I never saw this before and it amused me. Click the link for Lohud of the Rings in the 2nd paragraph for Pete’s Yankeeography.
http://fackyouk.blogspot.com/2.....t-off.html
Rob NY
The Yankees need a bridge in the 8th not a cavern.
Yeah the hold rules are essentially the same as the save rules.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hold_(baseball)
Please, the real answer is to fire Mike Francessa and put HIM in the 8th inning.
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Mike Francesa is a Starting Pitcha!!!!!!!!!
Pettitte will fight a trip to the DL.
Isn’t his contract incentives tied to staying OFF the DL?
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05.....171664.htm
20 years for Cashman
“I never saw this before and it amused me. Click the link for Lohud of the Rings in the 2nd paragraph for Pete’s Yankeeography.
http://fackyouk.blogspot.com/2.....t-off.html ”
I have to say that the above video was amusing. There is however another one on the right menu, once you get to Youtube. It’s called “Pabe sings.” It’s disturbing, nightmares-are-made-of-this stuff.
DT:
“After months of stalled negotiations, Pettitte and the Yankees agreed Monday to a $5.5 million, one-year contract. While the guaranteed money is less than half New York’s original $10 million offer, he can make an additional $6.5 million in bonuses: $4.5 million based on innings and $2 million based on days on the active roster. *He would earn the entire amount if he pitches 210 innings and doesn’t go on the disabled list.*”
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3861386
S.A., this is more realistic,
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MIKE FRANCESA IS A STARTING PITCHA!!!!
then Click with a hand wave and a sip of diet coke.
“Mike Francesa is a Starting Pitcha!!!!!!!!!”
Don’t you mean Phil “Yuse” is a starting pitcher?
Is Gardner really batting .279 so far? Better than I expected of him this year. Like to see how long he can keep it up. Given his track record from college ball to working his way through the system, I could see him in a couple years being more of a ballplayer than anyone expected him to be at this time last year or even now.
But it’s only just short of 1/3 of a season so far. If he can keep up the improvement and maybe work a few more walks (OBP’s not great) maybe he could become better than a ’4th OF’ in due time.
Melky exceeding expectations so far too. In case they come back to earth, Yanks have to run with it while they’re hitting.
No offense to the ‘Start Swisher Every Day’ crowd but the starting OF should be Melky, Damon & Gardner. At least right now … Nady’s comeback pending of course.
Swisher’s versatility lets him come in where needed in the OF, 1B and PH roles. He’s a little expensive for the role, but he’s good to have on the team and that seems to be the role where he fist best. He’ll still get lots of playing time in it, and the other three will get enough ‘rest’ time.
I think every one of them will be happy in the end. Especially if a WS title is the result.
Having 6 starters available is good when you have question marks like Pettitte’s back flaring up. With backs, it could be a day or two, it could be a week or two, or more. There are 5 guys in the rotation. In a normal season, that wouldn’t be only time one of them will be sore or (potentially) need to sit a start or two. Hey, that’s part of why Hughes got called up in the first place … Wang had some troubles.
The current situation sure beats having to sit and watch Chase Wright giving up four dingers in a row because the only pitchers available are, like him, only up to AAA or ‘AAAA’ level at the time the team needs help.
I like the idea of having a guy like Hughes or a guy like Wang waiting in the wings, rather than having four or five guys who might be three years away from being ready for the challenges they’re being asked them to face.
This will balance out somehow in the end too.
Thanks SA. – So it’s in Andy’s favor that he doesn’t go on the DL. I forgot about the innings thing too.
Innings = $.
No wonder he doesn’t want to come out of a game… lol
murphydog May 30th, 2009 at 9:22 am
“Mike Francesa is a Starting Pitcha!!!!!!!!!”
Don’t you mean Phil “Yuse” is a starting pitcher?
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It’s mind boggling to me how it’s so difficult for that man to say the name “Hughes”. Then again, a simple name like Joba has become Jobber.
Vader-LOL
“That’s all crap,” he said. “Wake up and smell the coffee.”
http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....3788.story
cashman talking about joba to the bullpen. personally i don’t pay much attention to the joba to the bullpen talk because he’s a young pitcher learning how to pitch. he learns in either place.
…but who the hell does cashman think he is speaking with that kind of attitude ?what do we have here a little napoleon complex?
nothing is more annoying than a little twerp acting tough and being mouthy. with his track record for doofus decisions he really should speak in a more meek way befitting and reflecting who he really is.
cashman hasn’t annoyed me much lately and that’s mostly because he’s kept this kind of
cockiness under wraps.
if he wants to be the rational ,thoughtful , and patient mind behind the yankees, i won’t object, but cashman trash talking?
give me a break.
Alfredo Aceves has been a god-send this year. He may not have the best pure “stuff”, but he’s always around the plate and he gets outs.
Hope the Yankees continue to scout the Mexican league. Between Aceves and Vazquez in AA, they have found some talent down there.
“That’s all crap,” he said. “Wake up and smell the coffee.”
http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....3788.story
cashman talking about joba to the bullpen. personally i don’t pay much attention to the joba to the bullpen talk because he’s a young pitcher learning how to pitch. he learns in either place.
…but who the hell does cashman think he is speaking with that kind of attitude ?what do we have here a little napoleon complex?
nothing is more annoying than a little twerp acting tough and being mouthy. with his track record for doofus decisions he really should speak in a more meek way befitting and reflecting who he really is.
cashman hasn’t annoyed me much lately and that’s mostly because he’s kept this kind of
arrogance under wraps.
if he wants to be the rational ,thoughtful , and patient mind behind the yankees, i won’t object, but cashman trash talking?
give me a break.
S.A.:
It’s mind boggling to me that they hand that boob Francesa a paycheck every two weeks. His inability to pronounce simple words (or is that “woids”?) is way down on my list of complaints
LOL murphydog
It feels good to be back in first place…but I still don’t think the Yanks are as good as they will be when Bruney, Marte, Molina and Nady return. Lets hope that the injury bug decides to move on and impact some other team.
randy l:
Now, now. It’s understandable for Cash to vent a little. One more question about Joba and I wouldn’t blame him if he went postal.
Good morning, all.
So, I wake up after a nice win last night, and decide to check the blog before starting the day’s chores….randy, you need to be more forthcoming with your opinions. Don’t internalize them, you’ll feel better getting them out.
randy
Have you noticed they are pitching Pedroia more outside this year? Only one hr so far. There is an article in the Herald today about his frustration about his lack of hr.
randy l
I think more a show of conviction that the Yankees aren’t going to let the media talking heads dictate use of their personnel rather than arrogance.
As Girardi said yesterday, Presidential debates are better because they end. If they show even a crack of considering it, the debate will only escalate.
The way Andy’s contract is set up I’m not surprised to see him play hurt. Or deny being hurt.
“Have you noticed they are pitching Pedroia more outside this year? Only one hr so far. There is an article in the Herald today about his frustration about his lack of hr.”
Funny. I don’t seem to recall hearing about the MVP’s power outage on NESN/ESPN.
randy l -
I’m with murphydog on this one. He probably fielded 100 questions on Joba to the pen in just the half hour preceding that one. And I always try to keep in mind that you don’t hear the voice intonation or see the facial expressions in print media.
If I were the Yankees brass, I would just have buttons made up saying “Joba is a Starter,” and wear them everywhere.
They said in the Herald that because of Ortiz they aren’t atlking about Pedroia.
talking
murphydog-
lupica to you is
cashman to me.
anything less than humility sets me off
…but who the hell does cashman think he is speaking with that kind of attitude ?what do we have here a little napoleon complex?
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Are you sure you’re not letting your (well-documented) dislike of Cashman, cloud your judgment a bit here?
MaineYankee
May 30th, 2009 at 9:44 am
randy
Have you noticed they are pitching Pedroia more outside this year? Only one hr so far. There is an article in the Herald today about his frustration about his lack of hr.
And that HR came on the second pitch he faced this year….. long drought!!!!
Good for Cashman. It’s ridiculous that its still being debated.
randy l:
“lupica to you is
cashman to me.”
Fair enough. Now I can relate.
Alfredo Aceves has been a god-send this year. He may not have the best pure “stuff”, but he’s always around the plate and he gets outs.
Hope the Yankees continue to scout the Mexican league. Between Aceves and Vazquez in AA, they have found some talent down there.
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Good point about being “around the plate”. Nothing starts a rally like a base on balls…or as a former MLB managaer says, “There’s no defense for a base on balls”. I’m convinced that Jose Veras could be a serviceable reliever if he didn’t get into so many 3-2 counts on batters.
Great observation about Yankees from Mexico. By the way, Ramiro Pena is also a Mexican so the Yanks have 3 good ones from Mexico in the system.
Oh I don’t know Randy. To me it sounds like someone who is always in the spotlight, always under the gun, always being questioned, always expected to produce top results, has had some of his best players on the DL throughout the season and still does, has a team that despite all of that was on its way to taking first place all by itself and so he probably felt some sense of relief and talked the talk that goes with it, and finally is likely so damned sick and tired of having to answer the same hackneyed Joba questions over and over and over and over and over.
With all of that in mind, I found the tenor of his response spot on!
Let’s keep that errorless streak going.
I want to see them take that record from the Red Sox.
pat
May 30th, 2009 at 9:50 am
randy l
I think more a show of conviction that the Yankees aren’t going to let the media talking heads dictate use of their personnel rather than arrogance.
As Girardi said yesterday, Presidential debates are better because they end. If they show even a crack of considering it, the debate will only escalate.
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Agree. Here you’ve had this surging team that has overcome all manner of injury to assume the top spot in the AL East, and the locals are locked in a phantom debate. That idiot on WFAN has made it the raison d’etre of his entirely too-long show.
Cashman has called it what it is = crap.
Don’t know if anyone posted this earlier or late yesterday, but Ty Kepner is for Keeping Joba a Starter:
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....#more-7351
What is the record and how close are the Yankees to it?
Doreen,
Did you go to Thunder game?
If so, any feedback on DLR? Heard he gave up 3 dingers.
Also, How did Vazquez look at plate? Last time I saw him, he K’d 3x – against the Venezuelan kid who threw a perfect game against the Thunder.
This can be a funny place sometimes.
There are three reasons why the “Joba to the bullpen” discussion hasn’t gone away.
1. In 21 ML starts Joba has never gone more than seven innings and averages about 5 1/3.
2. He established himself as a dominant set up man (1.53 ERA, 1.000 WHIP). As a starter he’s been good (3.53 ERA, 1.410 WHIP)but certainly not domimant.
3. The Yankees have struggled to find a healthy, reliable set up man.
Until those factors no longer exist the discussion will continue. If you don’t like it, put your hands over your ears and sing “la-la-la-la-la-la”
FWIW I think he belongs in the rotation too, but I understand the debate. What I don’t understand is why people get so emotional about it and so defensive of their positions on it.
….Please, the real answer is to fire Mike Francessa and put HIM in the 8th inning.
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…for his favorite team, the Red Sox…so we can have the pleasure of teeing off on him.
BD
I think I heard someone say if they leave Cleveland without an error they would have the record so they must be 2-3 games from getting it.
bodhisattva-
We did go.
There was a one-hour rain delay. But it was fun watching how they get the tarp off the field.
DLR was not sharp last night. A lot of balls. We saw the first two HRs he gave up – they were really long shots. In his defense there, he shouldn’t even have been in the position to give them up. Jorge Vazquez made an error at 1B on a play that would have ended the inning. He wasn’t awful, but he wasn’t impressive, either.
We left early – I’m embarrassed to say how early – mostly because we had the kids with us and they were getting cold, tired and antsy.
It was a slow moving game.
I went to Mike Ashmore’s site this morning – he’s got a good report on the game and DLR. It ended at 11:50. It’s fair to say we would not have stayed that long anyway.
bodhisattva -
I don’t recall Vazquez doing much at the plate early, but we were watching him in the field mainly. Not really good out there. I guess they’re trying to find out where he fits in on defense? He may end up being a DH-type. He’s really a big guy. Round body type.
His inability to pronounce simple words (or is that “woids”?) is way down on my list of complaints
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Woids, woids, woids.
Juan Miranda is starting to hit lefties: .295/.385/.568 for the season.
Would somebody please put him in the OF for a couple of games to see what he can do out there!
Thanks for the report, Doreen. I didn’t encounter rain in my last visit, but a relentless sun (11 a.m. game). My forearms are still burnt from that game.
DLR sitting around waiting to pitch probably didn’t help his cause, I imagine. I’ll check out Ashmore’s site, thanks.
Plotting to get in some Garcia down there tonight.
Yeah, Vazquez definitely not here for his defense, lol.
Tom in N.J.
May 30th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Juan Miranda is starting to hit lefties: .295/.385/.568 for the season.
Would somebody please put him in the OF for a couple of games to see what he can do out there!
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Absolutely. He’s actually been hittiing lefties for several weeks now.
That was my thought a well – stick him in a COF spot and let him pretend to play a position.
He has a decent arm – let him figure out some things in RF and bring him up here, where he can be a RF/DH/PH and take advantage of the RF porch.
He also hits to all fields -just a monster at the plate.
bodhisattva -
You’re welcome. Enjoy tonight.
I don’t really understand why they haven’t at least tried him as a COF’er.
He can’t be any worse then Abreu was last season, could he?
He did play some outfied in Cuba, or so I’ve read.
Thank the baseball gods for Brian Cashman. Just read that article you posted Randy I and IMO he said all the right things about this non-existent debate. The man is a starting pitcher and will remain so until such time as he hits his innings limit or gets hurt.
Ca$h needs to just start pulling an A-Rod and say “Im not talking about that.”
LOL I say good for Cashman….I love his “coffee” comment. He’s a human being – he’s not a saint. His team is constantly being bashed for their handling of Joba – the guy had guts enough to call the mediots out on it. I love it……..
Doreen
May 30th, 2009 at 10:24 am
bodhisattva-
We did go.
There was a one-hour rain delay. But it was fun watching how they get the tarp off the field.
DLR was not sharp last night. A lot of balls. We saw the first two HRs he gave up – they were really long shots. In his defense there, he shouldn’t even have been in the position to give them up. Jorge Vazquez made an error at 1B on a play that would have ended the inning. He wasn’t awful, but he wasn’t impressive, either.
We left early – I’m embarrassed to say how early – mostly because we had the kids with us and they were getting cold, tired and antsy. It was a slow moving game.
I went to Mike Ashmore’s site this morning – he’s got a good report on the game and DLR. It ended at 11:50. It’s fair to say we would not have stayed that long anyway.
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To be perfectly honest, De La Rosa should not have been promoted this soon. As good as he has a chance to be, he lacks experience as a pitcher….not just as a professional pitcher….just as a pitcher. He’s also had less than 20 professional starts and only 40 games total. He’s going to be fine, though.
Watching the game replay while doing the ironing. How many of those consecutive errorless games are drectly attributable to Mark Teixeia’s play at 1B? Certainly save an error by Jeter in the 6th. I would be interested to know the percentage of throwing errors to fielding errors. ‘Cause Tex is really helping out on the former.
I still stay skip Andy’s start – what else is he going to say? He’s a competitor…We need Andy, and I’d rather be safe than sorry.
Still on cloud 9 over last night’s win – I know it’s too early, but it just feels good to be in first place all by our lonesome.
GB7
Good to know about DLR being promoted a little early.
86 the sample size of joba as a reliever being extremely dominant is 24 innings, 2 years ago. In 2008 as a reliever, not nearly AS dominant. I would imagine that having never seen him and his extremely small body of work is what allowed him to do his damage in 2007. The reason people get worked up about it is because the b-jobber people led by the sultan of stupid Mike Francessa claim that everybody who thinks that Joba should stay in the rotation is a moron. (His words) Well I think if he is basing his clamoring for Joba to the bullpen on the fact that he thinks he will become Mariano Rivera (Greatest of all time) I can say that Joba in the rotation will be Bob Gibson, or Roy Halladay, or Nolan Ryan.
All equally unprovable and unfounded. But truth be told I think most people would rather start their new franchise with Josh Beckett or Cole Hamels or Johan Santana over Papelbon, K-Rod, or Joe Nathan. And that’s the comparison right now, all star closer (at some point) or all star dominant starter (at some point). But the more you have the folks on both sides saying the other side doesn’t know baseball the more people are going to get fired up.
Randy relax bro, Cashman has all the right to speak this way.
It’s about time someone stands up and says something with this whole Joba-Bullpen debate.
Even Joe G said something about it yesterday.
Doreen
May 30th, 2009 at 11:01 am
GB7
Good to know about DLR being promoted a little early.
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He started pitching in 2007, and got into about 5 games in relief. He had been an outfielder. In 2008, he began as a setup man for Charleston and then put into the rotation. That’s a testament to his talent. Late in the season, he was promoted to High A Ball in Tampa. After three Tampa starts this year, the moved him to Trenton.
GB7 -
Fast progress for the guy. Definitely makes the assessment of his work a little different.
need to vent-
listened to the FAN this week, read a lot of articles and blogs and honestly the weekly dissection of the “weakness du jour” is just infuriating.
Say Phil Hughes is knocked out of the game in the 1st inning Monday…are people going to be crying for Joba in the bullpen then? I doubt it. They will be calling for Phil to be sent down, Wang to take his spot and Joba to stay put. Every time I hear someone mention how old those two are I revel in what they have already accomplished. Can you imagine what they will be like in 2-3 years? I can’t wait! But can we shut up and allow them to evolve into what they are supposed to become and stop taking apart every pitch/start they have?
I just can’t stand how fans and media [pete excluded, of course] totally zero in on whoever had a bad weak and publicly flog them for their mistakes on daily basis until someone else has a bad game and they move to them.
if anyone hasn’t noticed, the yankees are playing pretty well right now, yeah we have some problems, but i wish we could all just up and enjoy it for a second…
(note: this post was largely directed at mike francesa.)
Andy’s not going to miss a start, he’s a fighter and at this age there’s probably always something bothering him that he’s pitching through. With his contract status, his agents would raise hell if they tried to shelve him against his wishes. Plus he’s 5-1 and the Yankees are 8-2 when he starts, it’s a bit silly to jump the gun and want to replace him with Wang, who has given the Yankees zero chance to win in his starts so far.
Doreen
May 30th, 2009 at 11:09 am
GB7 –
Fast progress for the guy. Definitely makes the assessment of his work a little different.
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Yeah, and besides being left handed, he’s only 24 years old. He could and should have a long career. It’s a matter of deciding whether he’s a starter or reliever. A hard throwing left handed starter is too hard to pass on. He doesn’t throw as hard as Guidry, but, the comparisons to Righetti would be fair.
joba is a starter, he no stinking swtup. his whip been bad, the notion is he a 5 inning is laughable. somehow joba goes deeper than hughes and the b jobbers seem to forget it
If they used the arguement about a pitcher being a SP or RP to all young guys it would be one thing. When they single out one and keep yapping about it even though it makes no sense they show their lack of baseball knowledge.
If that was the answer to any teams BP troubles you would hear it about others beside Joba. Tampa is having BP trouble but do you here any talk about Price in the BP? No.
I don’t have a problem with someone having an opinion on a subject if they are consistant and logical.
This subject about Joba is neither,IMO.
Juan Miranda can’t play the OF. Doesn’t move well enough and hiis hands and ball skills aren’t good.
Randy,
You are reading that. Cashman is sick of the manufactured “controversy” and I don’t blame him.
Nobody in a decisionmaking capacity with the Yankees are discussing Joba in the bullpen.
Imagine that and having to answer those questions everyday. It’s got to drive him nuts.
The Yankees are beginning to have a few nice problems in pitching. Aceves could be a very nice trading chip by the end of the year. Kontos is pitching very well at Scranton and McAllister has an ERA under 2 at Trenton, (probably moved up to AAA by the All Star Break. And then there is “Of the Rose” and Dunn who are two lefties that can bring it in the mid nineties at AA.
SJ44
Glad to see BC won. Must have been a bit tough to watch at the end. Sounds like your nephew had a good hit also.
I think the Yankees are torqued at Marte. They gave him a very nice contract and he promptly got hurt in that exhibition this spring which has really hurt the BP this year. I wouldn’t be surprised if they dealt him after he gets healthy. They sure have dropped him off the face of the earth.
Yes, it’s nice to have those kind of problems. But Aceves fills a real need on this team. I don’t see them trading him.
Everytime someone starts doing well, why do people want them traded????
Bo knows
May 30th, 2009 at 11:24 am
The Yankees are beginning to have a few nice problems in pitching. Aceves could be a very nice trading chip by the end of the year. Kontos is pitching very well at Scranton and McAllister has an ERA under 2 at Trenton, (probably moved up to AAA by the All Star Break. And then there is “Of the Rose” and Dunn who are two lefties that can bring it in the mid nineties at AA.
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I think this is one of the big reasons they want Joba as a starter. They know what they have coming along and others don’t.
Personally, if I had a say about trades and pitchers, I’d move Dunn as part of a trade. With his age and the fact that he’s not really improving much after another year at AA, he’ll soon be in the Sean Henn category…..an interesting project lefty, but, moving too slowly to be much more than a situational lefty. The Yanks have much better ahead of him. His greatest asset is being left handed.
From what I have seen when the Yankees face Carmona..
They show no plate discipline against him, and swing at a lot of balls.. in watching other teams face him.. if you don’t swing at everything* and force him to throw strikes.. he get’s owned..
so we’ll see.. if yanks are patient today against him.. I am looking for a high scoring game. If not, well.. you know the results of that past.
just my $.02
Rob NY — 2009 The Road to Redemption May 30th, 2009 at 11:03 am
[...]I think most people would rather start their new franchise with Josh Beckett or Cole Hamels or Johan Santana over Papelbon, K-Rod, or Joe Nathan. And that’s the comparison right now, all star closer (at some point) or all star dominant starter (at some point).
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Rob, Excellent point! I’ve been reading all this stuff here and everywhere else and I think you’ve stated it perfectly. The Kepner blog someone mentioned is also well worth reading. What I wouldn’t give for Joba’s next 3 starts to be dominant 7-8 inning performances (wins of course) so people could see what the future could be.
Maine,
It was fun. Great comeback.
They play Texas tonight at 7 in front of a sellout crowd. Should be fun.
My mistake…I know that this is Dunn’s first full year at AA, but, he’s still pitching at about the same level as two years ago. I’d still move him and hope some team needs a hard throwing lefty reliever and has the space to use him. His options are just about up.
BTW, before yesterday.. when was the last time the Yankees held 1rst place by themselves?
Army vs UT should be fun to watch. It’s somewhat surprising that Army has a team that good.
Francesca said yesterday that he could guarantee that people in the Yankees heirarchy have had discussions about Joba to to pen – and if they hadn’t, they were idiots. I’m so glad he knows exactly what’s going on with the Yankee – the grand poobah of hot air.
Marte is going to help this team when he gets back because he’s going to be healthy. I wouldn’t trade him and I definitely wouldn’t trade Aceves (he’s valuable and versatile). I am a bit concerned that he’s being too heavily used, though.
The team needs the bullpen to right itself for middle relief either internally or trade method by July. The same applies to bench strength.
Juan Miranda is a start in any dealing seeing as the 1st base situation is solidified for years.
Late 2006……..wow. I know it’s early, but the air up there (first place) feels awfully nice…….
Another mistake. Army is playing Texas Tech. Having a 3-1 loss against #1 Texas is still an impressive showing.
bodhisattva, when you return I want full reports
Colin Curtis, Christian Garcia and Eduardo Nunez yes even team Mexico.
Does anyone think Colin Curtis will be promoted to AAA this season?
He really looks good, comfortable, at the plate.
“Francesca said yesterday that he could guarantee that *people in the Yankees heirarchy have had discussions about Joba to to pen – and if they hadn’t, they were idiots*. I’m so glad he knows exactly what’s going on with the Yankee – the grand poobah of hot air.”
Calling them names and questioning thier authority lets me further know his royal coke is full of it.
The Yankees have one very bad problem and that is a need for a top end RF to become a powerhouse. They are six deep in starting pitching, the BP as always is a work in progress, (it doesn’t help that Bruney and Marte are injured). The infield is set. Posado, Molino and Cervello look good at catcher. Cabrera and Gardner if they continue to compete make for two very nice OFs. Between the two of them and Jackson you can cover LF and CF. Swisher and Nady are patch jobs in RF, weak defense and in Nady’s case average offense, the less said about Swisher and offense the better. A stud young RF that can develop into an All Star is the only lack. Bear in mind that the Yankees are finally aware of defense. You would have to put together a very high end package to negotiate one of those. What would something like Aceves, Kontos and De La Rosa or Dunn get you? Maybe throw in one of the young catchers.
GreenBeret7
May 30th, 2009 at 11:47 am
Another mistake. Army is playing Texas Tech. Having a 3-1 loss against #1 Texas is still an impressive showing.
Another mistake? Cripes GB, you are coming off an all time error less streak too. Get it together.
In the immortal words of Joe D –
Give it your all. Some blog kid could be out there, reading you for the first time!
I would be happy to send Miranda to the Mest as they need a first baseman. but only if they give us Parnell in return.
“Does anyone think Colin Curtis will be promoted to AAA this season?
He really looks good, comfortable, at the plate.”
I think he will after maybe 100 more ABs in AA, he’s 23 or 24 I think and is starting to get big 2 out hits, it all changed for him when Trenton got in the playoffs the kid in the final rd. had a .414 BA was just sick, XBH, single you, he was a tough out in those playoffs.
DT – OPPC member (it’s in our blood)
May 30th, 2009 at 11:55 am
GreenBeret7
May 30th, 2009 at 11:47 am
Another mistake. Army is playing Texas Tech. Having a 3-1 loss against #1 Texas is still an impressive showing.
Another mistake? Cripes GB, you are coming off an all time error less streak too. Get it together.
In the immortal words of Joe D –
Give it your all. Some blog kid could be out there, reading you for the first time!
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The pressure to be perfect got to me.
Anyone catch Girardi on Yankees on Deck at the WD Speedway? That was pretty cool.
You know, if Joe ever (heaven forbid) leaves his managerial post, he’s got a future as a broadcaster.
Personally, I like the Yankees OF to be:
LF: Damon, CF: Gardner, RF: Melky
Gardner may not be a powerhouse, but I love what he brings to this team.. it’s a dimension this team has not had in a long time!
We have enough HR hitters on this team already..
All that diet Coke is rotting away Francesa’s brain.
Seeing Posada back make me really happy. He is awesome and doesn’t get enough credit.
This team is fun to watch again.. and ohhhhhh that is so much better than being painful to watch like last year!!!!!!
Something I’m constantly get reminded of is Colin Curtis is Dustin Pedroia’s old college teammate.
Maybe I will shy away from general consensus here, but I like Francesa .. I never liked the drugged-out looking Maddog tho.
Just because Francesa has a different opinion on some things.. doesn’t mean he is lame.. he has lots of good info. I love his show.
slow me… I just realized.. The key players in yesterday’s game were the rookies:
Jeter- 2 hits, 1 RBI
Pettitte- the W
Mo- the S
Posada- 2 hits, 1 a double
And one more:
Aceves- great relief job!
In the immortal words of Joe D –
Give it your all. Some blog kid could be out there, reading you for the first time!
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The pressure to be perfect got to me.
Understandable.
Don’t worry, when LoHUD Blog Oldtimers’ Day rolls around you’ll be the last to be introduced, as a gesture to your status. (or maybe it’s age, I forget..lol)
Well, Mike’s show should be called “Joba to the bullpen for 5 or so hours and maybe some Mets talk”.
another day another sn
DT – OPPC member (it’s in our blood)
May 30th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
In the immortal words of Joe D –
Give it your all. Some blog kid could be out there, reading you for the first time!
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The pressure to be perfect got to me.
Understandable.
Don’t worry, when LoHUD Blog Oldtimers’ Day rolls around you’ll be the last to be introduced, as a gesture to your status. (or maybe it’s age, I forget..lol)
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With the pressure of trying to be perfect, I’m hoping that people will understand if I succumb to using PEDs such as Good-N-Plenty’s and Jujubes.
Those Posado at bats last night were things of beauty. That’s the way to work pitchers. I’m funny that way, I cheer great at bats, whatever the results.
As to an OF of Gardner, Damon, Melky and down the road Jackson – no power.
Jackson has power he’s just concentrating on contact in AAA, that was a special request by the Yankees. He’ll be fine.
Yankees need to package Ransom, Veras, and Cash for a stud reliever and maybe a right fielder
Jesus Christ Eduardo Nunez was taken to the hospital after his thumb swelled (precautionary) he had surgery on it before so that must have been scary for him. Stay healthy kid
“Yankees need to package Ransom, Veras, and Cash for a stud reliever and maybe a right fielder”
From Penn league ?
Nah, Igawa should be enough to get a stud relief pitcher and a right fielder.
From H.S. ?
No, Brandon.
From here:
http://www.aagpbl.org/
Cody Ransom is going to present a huge problem for this team when he’s activated. The guy needs at bats. He’s not going to produce without AB’s. Who do you take them from? I guess Jeter.
Jackson Melian big time bust
May 30th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Yankees need to package Ransom, Veras, and Cash for a stud reliever and maybe a right fielder
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No doubt about it….MLB GMs will beating down the Yankee doors tring to steal those jewels for a next to nothing stud reliever and right fielder.
DON’T DO IT, CASHMAN. THEY’RE TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOU.
I agree about the ling term need for a RF that can man the position long term. I don’t know what young guys might be available, but I do think one of the six starting pitchers would have to be part of any deal along that line.
I like Jeff Francour who needs to get out of Atlanta where he grew up and focus on being an adult and a professional. I love Ethier and the Dodgers are far from set with their # 4 starter so there might be a possible fit.
Any other thoughts on RF for the future guys? I don’t think there’s a FA who is young enough to be worthwhile next year.
Um, Cody Ransom was a huge problem for the Yankees when he was playing everyday. He’s awful.
I’d imagine he’s never play again for the Yankees.
Tom, I was thinking more from here
http://www.leaguelineup.com/welcome.asp?url=nhll17
Jackson Melian— I think it’s time for your nap.
Yes the Yankees are trying to shorten Jackson’s swing,”short to the ball”, but those SO’s are worrying and he’s working to correct the problem. I’m very glad that he’s not trying to hit for power at this time. Focus on one problem at a time. I keep circling back to a Lastings Milledge trade with CC appointed as his mentor administering tuneups on a monthly basis.
I still like Ransom, quality individual, has a firm handshake and always looks you directly in the eye.
“I like Jeff Francour who needs to get out of Atlanta where he grew up and focus on being an adult and a professional. I love Ethier and the Dodgers are far from set with their # 4 starter so there might be a possible fit.
Any other thoughts on RF for the future guys? I don’t think there’s a FA who is young enough to be worthwhile next year.”
The Braves have quit on Franceour, if the Braves quit on you, your basically done as an MLB player. Ethier won’t be delt by the Dodgers.
A future guy I’d love to steal right now is Ryan Sweeney but he’s in Oakland.
are jackson melian’s posts for real? because this is the hardest i’ve laughed since the first time i watched the foot fist way.
Melky Cabrera will be playing RF next year.
GB7, I got a question, the Yankees move Curtis to CF I’m guessing getting him more versatile in the OF, anyway 17 of his 49 hits in 172 ABs this season are for XBH, he has no HRs, do you know if the Yankees told him to cut down on his swing like they did w/ Austin & Eduardo ? His OBP % is good, SLG decent, hits LH w/ more authority. What can you tell me from your peoples on him ?
I do believe the Yankees should get rid of the farm. The entire farm, all the teams, sell them to China or something. This organization should not associate itself with “the minor leagues” These are the Yankees. There’s nothing minor about the Yankees.
The best trades are where both teams benefit and fill needs. The Yankees would have to overpay as always.
“Melky Cabrera will be playing RF next year.”
He might start in CF next season and then around June move to RF when Jackson gets promoted.
Colin Curtis is average. Average range, average arm, little power. He should be traded. Yesterday.
Ajax will make the team out of spring training next year
Unless the ball is still juiced next year that’s a very weak OF powerwise.
I think if Cash traded a starting pitcher for Francour randy would lead the lynchmob.
I don’t think there’s any way they trade a starter at this point.
that makes sense, but I like AJAX to make the squad out of spring training. If Gardner was the starting CF this year, surely Jackson can be from the get go next year.
“This organization should not associate itself with “the minor leagues” These are the Yankees. There’s nothing minor about the Yankees.”
The farm brought up players like Andy Pettitte, Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Bernie Williams, Jorge Posada, Joba Chamberlain, Philip Hughes, Robi Cano, Melky Cabrera…your not that stupid man.
Jackson Melian
Nice spoofing, anyone that knows Jackson Melian and Colin Curtis is alright in my book.
“Colin Curtis is average. Average range, average arm, little power. He should be traded. Yesterday.”
Interesting, but he may provide depth so IDK about dealing a kid starting to hit in AA.
the Yankees don’t need minor leagues. They can save the money used on the farm and just sign more free agents in the offseason and pay them to sit at home until needed.
Randy I
Is that you? Business slow at the bar on a Saturday morning is it?
Hi Everybody in the blogosphere.
do you believe Jack Clark belongs in the hall of fame
“the Yankees don’t need minor leagues. They can save the money used on the farm and just sign more free agents in the offseason and pay them to sit at home until needed.”
Just about the dumbest thing I ever heard.
i love jackson melian
Brandon.. “ANDY PETTITTE IS A STARRRRTIN PITCHAAA !!!”
May 30th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
GB7, I got a question, the Yankees move Curtis to CF I’m guessing getting him more versatile in the OF, anyway 17 of his 49 hits in 172 ABs this season are for XBH, he has no HRs, do you know if the Yankees told him to cut down on his swing like they did w/ Austin & Eduardo ? His OBP % is good, SLG decent, hits LH w/ more authority. What can you tell me from your peoples on him ?
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I don’t know whether the Yanks suggested the adjustment in Curtis’ swing or if he figured out that he’s not a power hitter. I always thought he had Melky Cabrera power. He could hit on on occassion, but, he’s hit .240-.250 trying. As far as him playing in center, it’s the same reason for having Jackson play all of the outfield spots. To be able to learn the reads if he’s needed.
Unless NYY moves players like Laird, Romine, Brad Suttle and others to the outfield, they aren’t going to have power hitting outfielders….unless they import them.
As long as the Yanks have a strong defensive outfield with burners that can walk, steal bases and hit .290-.300, they have enough power to deal with that.
Boo!
“Jose Veras – World Series MVP
May 30th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Boo!”
I’d boo too if that were my SN
Montero will eventually be given a first baseman’s glove. That’s all he’ll ever be position wise. He’ll be a full time DH and when he’s due to arrive Posada will be gone. So it will be a need. He can give Tex a day off now and then in the field. Arod is not going to become a DH in 5 years or so, he’ll need to remain at 3B
GreenBeret7
May 30th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
As long as the Yanks have a strong defensive outfield with burners that can walk, steal bases and hit .290-.300, they have enough power to deal with that.
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Didn’t Tampa win last year with most of their power coming from the infield?
I think good SP and defense was what was their big asset last year also.
GB rumors swirling Jesus or Austin is going to AA soon.
Why has Jack Clark continued to be snubbed from Old Timers Day?
What have we heard regarding this year’s Old Timer’s Day? I think the coaches have not done a good job in recent years during this game. Anyone ever heard of a stolen base? Hit and run? Make the defense make plays.
The game has become a farce.
Brandon.. “ANDY PETTITTE IS A STARRRRTIN PITCHAAA !!!”
May 30th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
GB rumors swirling Jesus or Austin is going to AA soon.
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I can see one of them going Trenton to platoon with Anson. Montero’s bat his extremely advanced but, both he and Romine need a lot of work yet on the defense. I would imagine that either Anson or Gil would go to Scranton to catch. I’d like to see them move Butch Wynegar to Trenton to help them with their defense.
islefan, my friends is sticking it where the sun doesn’t shine to a certain mr francessa, who pontificates as if his is the only valid opinion on the face of the earth. we r expected to listen, at his knee, on a daily basis. sometimes i switch to rush on 77.
Now no starting pitcher (except CC & AJ) would say he is hurt, since you might be put in the bullpen like Wang.