Game 50: Yankees at Indians (updated with Girardi pre-game audio)
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc, Podcast on May 31, 2009 
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YANKEES (29-20)
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Cano 2B
Matsui DH
Swisher RF
Gardner RF
Cervelli C
Pitching: RHP Phil Hughes (3-2, 5.16).
INDIANS (21-30)
Cabrera SS
Francisco LF
Peralta 3B
Choo RF
DeRosa DH
Garko 1B
Shoppach C
Valbuena 2B
Crowe CF
Pitching: RHP Carl Pavano (4-4, 6.10).
TIME/TV: 12:40 p.m., YES/TBS.
GREAT STRETCH: The Yankees have won three straight, four of five and 14 of 17.
ALL ASPECTS: The Yankees have outscored their opposition 106-60 in the last 17 games..
PERFECT: The Yankees have gone 16 straight games without making an error. They can tie the Major League record today. The Red Sox had 17 straight without an error from June 11-30, 2006.
HIT STREAKS: Jeter is at 13 games (23 of 59, .390) and Teixeira is at 12 games (20 of 51, .392). Teixeira has never had a streak of more than 12 games.
PHIL FRANCHISE: Hughes has faced the Indians once in the regular season. He allowed one run over six innings at Progressive Field on Aug 1, 2007. Hughes has allowed three earned runs in his last 13 innings. The Yankees are 4-2 in the six games he has started since being called up on April 28.
HELLO, IDLE: Pavano, believe it or not, has pitched well for the Tribe. He is 5-4 with a 5.50 ERA in 10 starts. After a rocky start, he is 5-1 with a 3.58 ERA in his last six starts. Pavano faced the Yankees on April 19 in the Bronx. He allowed only one run over six innings in a game the Yankees went on to win 7-3.
REALLY? Jose Veras has allowed the first batter he has faced to reach safely 11 of 22 times.
MAKE A MOVE: Shelley Duncan is at .304/.373/.690 for AAA Scranton with 18 homers and 47 RBI in 39 games. Wouldn’t he be more helpful to the Yankees than Angel Berroa, who has four at-bats since April 29?
Much more to come.
UPDATE, 11:39 p.m.: Just a day off for Posada today after the night game. … Cleveland put Grady Sizemore (elbow) on the DL today. They also don’t have Victor Martinez today and maybe tomorrow. He fouled a ball off his knee yesterday.
Andy Pettitte remains the starter for Wednesday assuming his back continues to improve. If CMW doesn’t pitch today, he’ll throw a lengthy bullpen after the game. … Melky could be back tomorrow. He’s swinging right-handed without any issues.
Here’s Joe Girardi’s pre-game press briefing:
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UPDATE, 12:43 p.m.: We’re underway in Cleveland on a chilly 56-degree day. Classic matchup of good (Hughes) vs. evil (Pavano) today as the Yankees look to stay hot.
UPDATE, 1:17 p.m.: Hughes dealing in the early going. He has fanned four of the seven hitters he has faced.
UPDATE, 1:33 p.m.: Trouble here in the third inning as Hughes allows two runs.
UPDATE, 1:37 p.m: Hughes has hit five batters in 32 innings. Bases loaded again. He’s up to 53 pitches already. Could we see CMW today?
UPDATE, 1:39 p.m.: That’s a foolish throw by Swisher. All it did was allow the runners on first and second to move up. Now a single makes it 5-0.
UPDATE, 1:59 p.m.: The good Hughes returns in the 4th inning. But the Yankees trail 3-0. They need to show some life against the Idle. They wasted that leadoff double by Jeter and it has been all downhill since.
UPDATE, 2:04 p.m.: OK, this is officially a disgrace. Pavano is throwing a three-hit shutout through five innings.
UPDATE, 2:06 p.m.: That was not gritty or gutty as Gardner came in then went back too late to catch a liner off the bat of Cabrera. Bad play. As Hughes gets set to clear 80 pitches, you have to wonder whether we’ll see Wang soon.
UPDATE, 2:24 p.m.: Wang warming up. … Meanwhile, Sweeny Murti just called that home run by Tex. Yankees trail 4-2. Jeter was safe on that grounder and had it been called right the score might be 4-3.
UPDATE, 2:26 p.m.: Wang in to pitch. Guess Pettitte is OK.
UPDATE, 2:32 p.m.: Wang 93, 94 with his sinker. Strikes out two on six pitches.
UPDATE, 2:35 p.m.: Francisco Cervelli has a gun. It’s fun to watch him catch. OK, 4-2. They need to get something done against the Idle.
UPDATE, 2:43 p.m.: No break there as Gardner hits rocket into the glove of Garko. Had the ball got into the right-field corner Matsui might have got to second.
UPDATE, 3:05 p.m.: What a travesty. In 13.1 innings against the Idle this season, the Yankees have 11 hits and have scored three runs (at least so far).
UPDATE, 3:18 p.m.: Here’s their chance. Runners on second and third, one out, for Tex and A-Rod.
UPDATE, 3:19 p.m.: Tough break, Idle. Nice game for Tex, 2 for 4 with a double, a homer and four RBI. He’s got to be the AL Player of the Month, no?
UPDATE, 3:27 p.m.: Big spot for Wang here as the game is tied 4-4. He needs another scoreless inning to give them a chance to take the lead and give it to Mo.
UPDATE, 3:41 p.m.: So you bunt to get to Brett Gardner? Um, OK. Meanwhile, it’s good that Angel Berroa is on the roster and not somebody who can actually pinch hit.
UPDATE, 3:43 p.m.: Yanks catch a break as the speedy Gardner legs out a hit. Now Posada gets a chance.
UPDATE, 3:48 p.m.: This is a second-guess, but why not send Gardner to stay out of the GIDP? Anyway, Phil Coke is in. I’ll be surprised if we get to extra innings.
UPDATE, 3:50 p.m.: Walking the No. 9 hitter in Cleveland’s lineup today is not exactly what you’re looking for out of Phil Coke. Matter of time here.
UPDATE, 3:53 p.m.: Why not let Wang keep going? He had thrown three shutout innings?
UPDATE, 3:55 p.m.: David Robertson in with a runner on second. Meanwhile, those who loved to rip Torre used to crush him for not using Rivera in a tie game on the road. But Girardi doesn’t do it either. I personally think you should save the closer until there’s a lead.
UPDATE, 4:03 p.m.: Tough way to lose. But Coke was not the answer there and they missed too many offensive opportunities. But they did tie the record for most consecutive games without an error.
Back later with reaction from the clubhouse.
Cisco hasn’t caught Hughes in awhile IDK…
Great GI Joe is going w/ no CF today.
Berroa contributes nothing on the field, and the 2003 version of him is not walking through that door.
“Shelley Duncan is at .304/.373/.690 for AAA Scranton with 18 homers and 47 RBI in 39 games. Wouldn’t he be more helpful to the Yankees than Angel Berroa, who has four at-bats since April 29? ”
He can’t hit anything that’s not a fastball. I’d go Linden or John Rodriguez, even Edwar Gonzalez in AA
CMON HUghesie
posada cant dh?
just beat pavano. lose the next five after, i don’t care. just beat pavano.
They could be waiting for Kevin Russo to get healthy that’s why Berroa is probably still here.
I thought Jorgy would DH as well, guess not.
The way the Yankees are hitting and scoring I think one could make a credible argument that Shelly might not have many more than 4 ab’s. Gramps does give the Yankees some flexibility around the infield if they want to use Pena as a pinch runner for Matsui,Posada or even A-rod in late game situations. There is plenty of season left; he’ll get his shot – somewhere.
“Shelley Duncan is at .304/.373/.690 for AAA Scranton with 18 homers and 47 RBI in 39 games. Wouldn’t he be more helpful to the Yankees than Angel Berroa, who has four at-bats since April 29? ”
Can Shelly play 1B, SS, 3B. If so bring him on. If Berroa is sent packing it won’t be Shelly. The same people (Pete,….) will be clamoring later how poorly the roster is constructed.
Shelly can be really useless with his big time power. i still remember the 3-run tying Hr last year in the 9th inning
Useful*
Yeah, I wonder why Posada isn’t DH. He caught Carla (well, in both of the innings he seemed to play for the Yanks) so you’d think he’d a good eye for his pitches.
Regarding Torre from last thread, whatelse is he going to say? That he will write another tell all book breaking the clubhouse confidentiality or GM-Manager discussions and piss of more people?
how about 7 er in .1 inning for pavano
Pete – you of all people should know – Berroa has been declared a national monumment and cannot be moved.
They may be trying to get every little bit out of Matsui while he is hitting well. The way he looked running last night, I wonder how many games he has left in him.
barroa the far more logical choice than shelly duncan. versatilty as well as a history of success at this level.
keep the line moving, phil
Just read the post on chemistry – I understand that teams can not get along off the field and be fine on it (Bronx Zoo teams as an example), but I still think they are something of an exception. It’s hard to quantify the effect chemistry has because obviously the talent has to be there first – without it, everyone could sing kumbaya and hold hands and it wouldn’t make a shred of difference. However, I believe (as I stated in ST) that the players getting along would help them during the long grind of the baseball season. I said at the time that it would help during the rough stretches, but now I also think it helps even during the good times. When these guys are on the road, they hang out with each other, go out to eat with each other and basically have a great time together. They’re having fun and that, I believe, makes it easier to win (again, obviously you need talent, but we’ve seen talented teams not win) because they look forward to coming to the ballpark every day. The new guys have been incredible additions, each with their own personalites…..and the veterans welcomed them with open arms. CC, AJ, Tex and Swish did not check their personalites at the door – they just stayed true to themselves and that’s always a good thing. At times these adults seem to act like children – and I love it. Video game matches? Pies in the face? Lasering teammates? Hilarious.
One thing I do think is important is something SJ brought up a couple of days ago. The new guys are accountable – and they have remained the same people they were when they first entered the clubhouse. The NY media hasn’t caused them to turn into ogres and hasn’t made them crawl into their shells – they’ve all been terrific in this regard. I know the Yanks did their research on the 3 FAs before they signed them, but in a way they also got lucky because you just don’t know how things are going to work until the games start.
There should be a law against 12.40 starts on Sundays…
“The way the Yankees and Dodgers are playing, it’s not hard to imagine them meeting down the road. That really would be something.”
Assuming the Dodgers get out of the first round just like Yanks under Torre’s watch for so many years
Last year was an abberation
I’m fine with Posada sittin – he’s going to be getting his days off before he returns to playing mostly full time, and Joe admitted as such prior to the game.
Peter,
maybe Berroa is still here because Joe wants to give Arod a rest from playing the field from time to time… if you play Pena at 3rd, you still need a back up infielder on the leftside of the infield and thats where Berroa comes in.
4 AB’s in a month?
Maybe Berroa is really good at running the opponent’s offense in practice.
Give the man a clipboard so he’ll look busy.
ugh, sitting……
Berroa is gone when Nady is ready to return, which may be soon.
Sizemore to the DL…poor guy, rough start
I am in an argument with a Rays fan and the typical defense from them is being said, “You guys pay way too much money for your players”…..what is a good way to defend this besides “we have the money, why wouldnt we use it”
Thought for sure Godzilla would get a breather today based on his labored base running last evening.
Just to respond to ditmar’s comment on how he wouldn’t be insulted by a $5m job offer. It isn’t hard to understand that after 12 years working in a factory you may be a manager and making $100,000 a year. What if after that year they decided that the factory under you, while making good profits, didn’t own a monopoly and said you could come back for $65,000 take it or leave it? You’d be insulted. It’s the same thing.
This team has really been exactly what we all thought it would be the past 4 or 5 turns through the rotation. I look forward to the pitching matchups every single day because I enjoy watching all of your starters work. It’s a real pleasure (I guess the winning helps too!) and I look forward to the day we have 1 or 2 more young position players on the roster too.
Jesus Montero has not so quietly been absolutely tearing the cover off of the baseball, exciting future the Yanks have. Imagine this in 2011, Tex–ARod–Cano–Montero…. Could be a monumental middle of the order.
Jesus’ line according to baseball reference minors : AVG.351 OBP.402 SLG.595 OPS .997
Berroa has not batted since May 4th. All you guys trying to justify his presence because of what Girardi might want to do doesn’t change the fact that he obviously doesn’t want to do any of those things.
No team anywhere should carry two utility infielders on a four man bench, it makes no sense under any circumstances. While I remain convinced Duncan is a typical 4-A player, having a guy with occasional power on the bench is at least a weapon. Having a spare, spare infielder is a waste.
Berroa must have blackmail-quality pics of Cashman and/or Girardi.
Rhapsody, I agree. MY knees were hurting watching Matsui on the basepaths last night. Maybe the Yanks should get him a Segway.
Look like what you saw in the press booth last evening Peter?
Bet it does to the fishies.
http://images.google.com/imgre.....0%26um%3D1
duncan mashes aaa but it does not translate to the majors.
if he was 23 or 24 i would have more hope.
i agree someone else other than beroa needs to come up but i am not sure it should be duncan.
i would hate to see girardi feel pressure to get him playing time & start sitting the better players.
we need to get rid of tomko,beroa,veras & bring up a bat & 2 pitchers.
mo
coke
robertson
aceves
wang
melancon
then bring up what pitcher is hot that is ready for the majors.not sure if that is groenke,etc…
give it a try.what can happen??
if duncan is the best option then he should be brought up.
“I am in an argument with a Rays fan”
Carlos Pena, Akinori Iwamura, Bartlett, Gabe Gross, Pat Burrell, Navarro, Matt Garza, Troy Percival, and Kazmir, among others are from outside their organization; so they are not the wholesome, 100% home grown myth that ESPN says they are. Of course, they do have to be smarter in their acquisitions and can’t afford mistakes.
Yeah Don, Matsui looked like he was pulling a piano.
I agree with 86 completely. Berroa is a waste of a roster spot and I’ll go one further so is Jose Veras. Both guys are hurting this team simply by keeping other semi-useful players from being on the roster. We all know Shelly Duncan isn’t he-man but he can run into a few homers simply because of that Paul Bunyan Swing of his. Then you have Jose Veras who can’t be trusted with a 7 run lead. People are always quick to point out his ‘great stuff’ but what good is it if he has no clue where it’s going? I fell in love with Kyle Farnsworth’s ‘stuff’ too; fool me once…
Kevin —
Tell your Rays fan friend that the Yankees spend a far lower percentage of the revenues they generate on player salaries than the Rays do. If they want to close their gap, fill that oversized tupperware bowl they call a stadium, buy team paraphanlia and support all their Radio/TV sponsors.
There are more than three MILLION people within an hour drive of the Tampa Bay area.
The Yankees money doesn’t fall from the sky… it comes directly from Yankees fans who do all those things I mentioned above.
A couple of things…
1)Anyone who doesn’t think that the team’s good chemistry isn’t related to how well they are playing doesn’t know the Yankees. You can tell by the looks on their faces that they are happy with each other and very confident that they can win every game. I don’t remember seeing that last year or the year before that. When you are feeling good about yourself and your teammates, it makes a difference in how you play. The ’77 and ’78 teams were the exception, not the rule.
2)Torre said what he had to say. It would have been tacky as hell to say that he wanted them to lose, especially since the big 4 are still active Yankees. In truth, he’s probably a little torn about the whole thing. He wants his friends to do well, but he wants the organization to suffer. Cry me a river, Joe!
3)CC and Tex are worth every dime the Yankees spent on them. The jury is still out on AJ, but I’ve got high hopes that he’s going to be great the rest of the way.
4)Robbie Cano has already won the Most Improved Player award. Between his new found patience at the plate and his willingness to lay out for balls in the field, he is a new man. The Yankees have to be glad that they didn’t deal him over the winter.
5)I will be surprised if Matsui doesn’t retire after this season. Watching him run is painful.
6)GO YANKEES!!!!!!!!
Get Matsui a rickshaw and have Berroa pull it.
This solves two problems: 1. Gives Matsui’s knees a rest. 2. Justifies keeping Berroa on the team.
Brett Tomko is doing just fine for this team and we should ride him until he starts giving up runs imo. No sense upsetting the applecart when it’s moving just fine. The only issue i’d have with bringing up Melancon is whether or not Joe will actually use him the right way, or at all.
I’d be surprised if we won today. But then again, under the definition “hot baseball teams” in the dictionary you can see our picture, so who knows?
We have a shot to tie that errorless record today!
People can insult you, money can’t.
Get rid of Tomko and Veras. Bring in Melancon and a trained monkey, he could probably throw more strikes then Veras.
Seriously, I’m down with trading for Houston Street (name correct?).
kevin
tell him what percentage of the yankees 350 million in yearly revenues should the yankees spend.
take the revenues from the new park out.
the yankees roughly 210 million in payroll subtracted from 350 million in revenue wich is a very lowball rough guess & is probably doubled this year leaves 140 million profit.
tell this person that it is the way of the world.you spend what you make & it cost more for the yankees to sign players because of their revenues.
what percentage of revenues do the rays spend on payroll.
70 million in payroll with let’s say 150 million in revenues is almost 50 percent on payroll.
Duncan has to replace that loser Berroa.
A bit mean? Perhaps. But he is the most useless player I’ve ever seen.
The Indians have put Grady Sizemore on the disabled list and called up a backup catcher. It looks like Victor Martinez may not be able to catch for a while.
This is one of the best Yankee teams I’ve seen in years. All we need is a solid bullpen.
We’re better than the 07′ team. We’re better than the 04′ team. Maybe even the 03′ team.
I would like to see a breakdown of percent of revenue spent on payroll. Anyone know where to find that?
If Cleveland is without Sizemore and Martinez for any long period of time, that could cripple that team.
That Indians team is crippled already. They’re not going anywhere.
“Get Matsui a rickshaw and have Berroa pull it.
This solves two problems: 1. Gives Matsui’s knees a rest. 2. Justifies keeping Berroa on the team.”
LMAO. This one is a classic. Can just picture it now!!
I don’t see why people aren’t getting why Berroa’s still here.
A couple of posters have already mentioned this:
He’s insurance for ARod.
Otherwise, if ARod is DH-ing, and you want to pinch hit for Pena in a key spot, your hands are tied. Or if you want to PR Pena.
ARod said his hip was feeling “a little stiff.” He just had surgery.
See the connection?
That’s a little more important than Shelley Duncan trying to prove he can hit a curve ball.
Lonnie — Hard to get exact numbers because of various ways defining revenue streams and such. I am confident in my claim because I specifically said “team generated” revenues. The Yankees actually contribute more of their own revenue in revenue sharing and luxury taxes than they receive from MLB for TV, Radio, Internet, marketing etc.
That may change since the cost of the new stadium can be used to offset revenue sharing contributions.
Tampa Bay pays far less in than it gets back.
All right then, get rid of Berroa and replace him with John Rodriguez. Besides, Duncan is a utility infielder. A bad one, but a utility infielder nonethless (not like Berroa is better). Bring him up.
Not only is this team going places, it’s going to pull away from the pack.
Maybe all this talk about Beroa will end if the Yankees are able to make a deal for DeRosa, in his walk year.
All we have to do is get a bullpen and learn to beat the Red Sox. Before A-Rod, impossible. Now, BRING THEM ON!
If we get to the playoffs (not jinxing it!) it’ll be interesting to see how far we go.
Hi everyone. I have been sick this weekend and went to the doctor this morning and he told me I have the flu and should not go near people. Therefore, I was given a note to miss the stupid wedding I was supposed to attend. Which means two things 1) I am officially one of the worst friends ever for missing my friends wedding due to the flu 2) I get to watch the Yankees pound Pavano
Bodhisattva —
We all see the connection. What you don’t see is the disconnection between your point and reality. Berroa hasn’t batted since May 4th, and only since since then has he played more than one inning and that was in a 10-run win.
He obviously (to most of us) isn’t filling ANY need.
Alex has been back for 21 games and he’s been the DH twice. You do not tie up a roster spot to have an spare utility infielder once every two weeks. It’s absurd.
Anybody want to draw comparisons to the ’98 team?
I’m just giddy with success.
Ransom is in rehab and when healthy will replace Berroa. No matter how many posts are written that’s what will happen. They’re called utility INF and Berroa is insurance. What are you going to do with Shelley when Nady is a couple of weeks away? Bring him up and then DFA him in two weeks? He has no options left and is 29 years old. As to relievers, Melancon came up and was not ready. As to Veras and Tomko – two words – Bruney and Marte.
bodhisattva – OPPC member – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
May 31st, 2009 at 11:26 am
Not only is this team going places, it’s going to pull away from the pack.
6 games up by the ASB – despite the atrocious bullben that really ain’t all that bad. Quixotic i know but that’s how good I think they are (whole team)
Erica—-
Just go to the wedding with one of those “swine flu” masks!
I can take a loss today as long as it’s 15-14 with Paguano giving up eight runs in a third of an inning and the only out is retired when American Idle takes a liner off the forehead that ricochets back to the catcher!
One scout’s opinion of John Smoltz’s last outing:
“His velocity was 87 to 90 mph. He still throws five decent pitches. But he’s probably a fourth starter at this point unless his arm speed and fluidness comes back and his velocity takes a jump.”
When Alex first came back Girardi talked of giving him a few days off per week. But since Alex doesn’t seem to need the time off, I think they are wasting a roster spot with Berroa.
Erica, feel better.
Chemistry is overrated in sports in general.
Take the Kobe/Shaq championship lakers, they hated each other and yet managed to win 3 rings in a row. On the court they had great chemistry off the court, not so much.
The only chemistry I care about is what mix of players is on the field. When you have great players like CC and Teixeira and add them to other great players like A-Rod and Jeter of course the chemistry is going to be good.
Sprinkle in a lot of solid players around them and the team suddenly starts to win and the chemistry looks awesome.
It’s hard for them not to believe they are going to win every game. They have a lineup littered with all stars and all star caliber pitchers on the mound every night.
The Yankees haven’t had such a talented mix of players in years.
Pete, is there a bigger broken record than you?
Here’s a clue for you. The Yankees don’t need another bat right now in case you hadn’t noticed. They also don’t need a 3rd 1B. They also don’t need an 8th outfielder with Melky coming back. And on a final note, you may have noticed that even if they did need a bat (check out your own stats above on how many runs they’ve outscored their opponents by duh) you may have noticed that players don’t always come up and have the same run they have down below.
Here’s something else for you. Believe it or not, the minors aren’t there totally as baby factories for the franchise. They also are trying to compete with each other. If Shelly is helping Scranton to win that’s a good thing. It’s not like the Yankees are 20 games out of first.
When you are on someone, it’s almost like a sin to you to let up. Is Berroa harming the team? Have you figured out that there is a purpose that the Yankees have Berroa up there even if your astute baseball mind hasn’t figured it out? Heck you love to pin Girardi to the wall with questions. If you are so flipped out over Berroa being up there as to have to use it like daily Chinese water torture, why not ask the question. Then you can tell everyone what you find out. (You probably didn’t notice, I’m sure, that Rachel had reported that Girardi said he was keeping Berroa around until he felt really secure about Alex being good to go…)
It’s tough that Alex isn’t giving you any ammunition lately and that you have to direct your need to criticize someone on Berroa.
The answer to your question is yes I have noticed that Berroa hasn’t contributed much. That makes me believe even moreso that what Rachel reported is fact – they have him there for temporary insurance while they are watching Alex.
Melancon played vs. the Sox and did great. A couple bad games and he’s not ready? Give him a shot. And Marte is worse than Veras.
Shelley DID play utility infield, I remember him playing first. It’s not as if his defense could be worse than Berroa’s.
86w183
May 31st, 2009 at 11:35 am
Erica——
Just go to the wedding with one of those “swine flu” masks!
***
Hmmm- not sure it would go with my dress. LOL. You know its bad when you go to the doctor feeling like poop and the receptionist says “That cough sounds terrible and you look really bad too”
I want us to kick the you know what out of Pavano. I hate him that much. YES HATE! It isn’t too strong of a word for someone like him. Especially considering his parting words, or shots you might call them.
I won’t be too greedy, I want 7 runs in 2/3 of an inning.
trisha, I see your point but the only purpose of the minors are as franchise factories. The rest of it, the standings and playoffs, are a formality. You’re not going to bring up someone good because they’re helping the minor league team?
Also, just because we’re in first doesn’t mean we don’t have holes to fill.
“Torre said what he had to say. It would have been tacky as hell to say that he wanted them to lose, especially since the big 4 are still active Yankees. In truth, he’s probably a little torn about the whole thing. He wants his friends to do well, but he wants the organization to suffer. Cry me a river, Joe!”
Laura, you take is a lot kinder than mine. I wouldn’t trust the guy as far as I could throw him, nor anything he says.
This non error streak set by Boston is hilarious. That’s with Manny playing LF. With the Yankees Alex has maybe half the range he had last year. If you don’t get to it it’s no error. “Past a diving Jeter anyone”. There is at least one throw a game where Teix saves an error. Actually, Jeter has been playing a very respectable SS this year.
Bo, I agree about Jeter. Very respectable shortstop, but off target throws.
Angel Berroa is on the team because he brings the experience that comes with age.
I appreciate it guys.. Thanks Mark From Tampa, 86w183, and Bru….
Art, his best year was as a rookie.
Yep, that’s why the Yankees gave Marte an extended contract at 3 mil per. He rode the pooch in that baseball exhibition this spring but he’s a quality reliever. Veras is a reclamation project, if it works great, otherwise what did Washington do with Cabrera?
The title of this story is “Riding Hot Streak, Pavano Faces A Familiar Foe.”
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday.....de=gameday
Have to laugh at that. All the Yankees knew Carla Idle Pavano’s name, but I bet that he didn’t know the names of half of his teammates, in the 4 years he wasn’t in NY. Don’t you know “familiarity, breeds contempt.”
Berroa is harming the team every day he’s on the roster and somebody who could be semi worth a damn at the plate isn’t. He is a non-factor at the plate and mediocre in the field. I am pretty sure if Alex needed someone to take some of his time in the field we could find a plethora of people to fill in Berroa’s ”production”.
My point is when you have Swisher and/or Gardner playing you want a bat on the bench in case we need a hit when their spot comes up in a tight game. That guy is not Berroa and every time Swish or Gardy grounds out to end the rally that’s Berroa’s roster spot hurting the team. It hasn’t really done much damage yet but it’s something the front office should be cognizant of IMO.
Erica – Feel better. I find that hot tea mixed 50-50 with good whiskey helps.
Just because the Yankees gave Marte a nice contract doesn’t mean he’s good (cough Pavano cough).
Marte has done terrible as a Yankee. At least Veras gave us one good year.
Please no bad puns, I would have had a lot more respect for what Pete said if he talked about shoring up the bullpen! Again, scoring runs is not our problem these days. Also, and say it were, you need to take a look at options implications (I don’t know about the specifics right now but I know you need to look at who has options and who doesn’t.)
I know it sounds hackneyed but the Yankees know what they’re doing and they certainly have more insight into their plan of action than Pete does! Obviously Berroa is not up here for the season. The Yankees are a pretty stable team right now. You don’t pluck someone from the minors “just because”! We will have Nady coming back and we will have Molina coming back at some point. Again, you don’t pull guys up that you don’t really need just because you have disgruntled fans or a disgruntled blog master who don’t like one of the players presently up. And again, you always have to be aware of the numbers of times someone comes up and goes down! The Yankees have to pay attention to those things in the moves they make.
Rob-Gardner has been hitting well.
“what did Washington do with Cabrera?”
DFA’d 5-28.
America is a better country when the yankees win
Too bad about Sizemore. The Indians will be without him and probably Martinez as well – their two best hitters.
Anyone that criticizes Joe Torre at this point is a moron. He brought us 4 championships and he still roots for the Yankees to win. Some people are just vindictive I guess..
Angel Berroa serves no purpose and shouldn’t be on the team. The same goes for Jose Veras.
trisha I have a question. If the Yankees release Berroa tomorrow and he signs a minor league deal with the Red Sox would you still love him so much?
That’s why Teixiera was such a great sign. Actually Jeter has always had a weak arm so he can’t just plant and throw. Hence the scattershot throws to first.
go get a real utility player(which team dosen’t have) that has a nice bat …name Mark DeRosa
All right, trisha. I just think that in big, tight games, you want someone who can pinch hit for say Swishy or Gardy who isn’t a power guy or even Cervelli when he’s catching (a scenario that could only work when Molina’s back, but hypothetically).
We need someone better than Berroa groomed as A-Rod’s possible fill in.
“I’d be surprised if we won today. But then again, under the definition “hot baseball teams” in the dictionary you can see our picture, so who knows?”
i dont understand…why would you be surprised if the first place yanks beat the woeful indians…pavano, while good this month, is still pavano…hughes has pitched well except for baltimore…sizemore AND v-mart are not playing…id be surprised if WE lose
Cabrera DFA… clears in a few days. I’d love to send him to Scranton and train him as a releiver. He’s alot like Veras, though. Million dollar arm, ten cent head.
The Berroa defenders are amusing. It’s not a matter of opinion. No at bats and a total of eight inninngs in four weeks is factual proof he serves no meaningful role.
I like insurance, but don’t believe in insurance insurance.
Right now the Yankees have two healthy outfielder and two healthy utility infielders. That’s just plain dumb.
Damon needs a day/two off or DH, Melky has the shoulder injury and Matsui can’t score from second on a triple.
John Rodriguez in LF and Damon DH with Matsui on the bench is a better lineup today… and tomomorrow and the next day….
Bo Knows — good point on the errorless streak. Errors do not tell the whole story about defense, but it is better to make fewer of them, right?
Bo, he was a great sign for other reasons as well.
I think that if you’re pitching and don’t have great stuff you do what Guidry did in that one WS game with Nettles and just try and make them hit it at Tex and assume he’ll make the play.
PNBP — I understand Gardner has been hitting better of late but that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t want to lift him for somebody who can hit the ball into the outfield for XB in a tight game.
Trisha– In regards to shelly I don’t think that he is even on the 40 man so he probably wouldn’t be the first guy called up given the state of that roster. Scranton is safe! lol
To gauge just how much time Pavano missed with injuries over the years, consider that he totaled five wins from May 23, 2005, to April 30, 2009 — a span of 1,438 days.
RalphieD (OPPC all day)-Pavano id awful for us and I hate him, but he can be a good pitcher and has done well agaisnt us once…Phil is coming off a great outing but he is inconsistent (typical rookie, no red flag), so I’d bet on the Indians today. Not with any conviction though.
kevin
n/p
it is also like everyday people.
you spend what you make.
it is nobodys business to tell the yankees what they can or can’t spend or what they should or shouldn’t spend.
the yankees are spending it because they can .
bad enough the yankees give small market teams money but they still complain.
how would you feel if you had a very successful business & the goverment said that the competition around you is not doing as well as yourself so you have to give them money.
i would be very angry.
if i am cashman i overpay in the draft,lower payroll so nobody gets a cent of my money.
All right Rob. True he has no power.
DeRosa would solve this teams utility OF & IN problem..
Derosa would solve the problem, wouldn’t he?
Yankee Trader
Yes, that was my point with Veras. Melancon isn’t ready, you keep him on the farm and let him build up innings. He’ll probably flunk a few more tests in the Majors before he’s ready. Bruney wasn’t exactly a shining light before he got here. 50% in reclamation projects is a great achievement. With Bruney and Marte out your whole
BP is out of whack. The Yankees are in first place despite all the injuries. It has more to do with the other teams struggling, the Yankees aren’t at 600 yet.
without a doubt!!!!
Girardi audio at 2:30 is that Michael Kay asking a question? Odd or does he always do that?
Actually Bo, A-Rod showed some great range to his left last night, and made a terrific throw from behind 3rd base standing in the OF to nail the runner at 1st.
But definitely agree that Teixeira has preserved the errorless streak, not only by pulling throws out of the dirt, but especially with his great extension to get to errant throws while keeping his foot on the bag.
Bo, I disagree that it has to do with other teams struggling. We’re a really hot ballclub. I say give Melancon a shot and just get that clown Veras OUT.
I don’t think he failed his test. Two good and two bad outings. He deserves another shot.
Pavano has a 3.56 ERA and 5 wins over his last 6 starts
Hughes has to pitch a good game
How much is De Rosa worth more than Ransom? Check Fangraphs. What’s his salary and how many prospects will it take? Fantasy Baseball anyone.
Pavano
“BP is out of whack. The Yankees are in first place despite all the injuries. It has more to do with the other teams struggling, the Yankees aren’t at 600 yet.”
Agree 100%
Ransom & DeRosa in the same breath…not even close
“trisha I have a question. If the Yankees release Berroa tomorrow and he signs a minor league deal with the Red Sox would you still love him so much?”
It isn’t so much that I love Berroa so much as it is that I understand the reason he is up and I am so sick and tired of hearing cryhbabies pliss and moan about it every day. But to answer your question, the minute any player leaves the Yankees and goes to Boston, my feelings about that person as a player for the Red Sox naturally changes.
Unlike the false report put out by Rob NY who apparently knee-jerked with his response and is someone else who can’t stand Berroa, Berroa is NOT harming the team. Berroa doesn’t see enough games to harm the Yankees. And if he is there to merely cover in the event that Alex is hurting or to go in as a late-inning replacement in blowouts, then he is helping the team when the team needs help.
It is ludicrous to bring someone up who is not needed right now and is not going to get into enough games to make a difference. Or perhaps you think that players love coming up and riding the bench, just so they can say they are up?
The Yankees run production is up. You don’t grab more offense from below because you don’t like Berroa.
Yankee Trader
Yes, that was my point with Veras. Melancon isn’t ready, you keep him on the farm and let him build up innings. He’ll probably flunk a few more tests in the Majors before he’s ready. Bruney wasn’t exactly a shining light before he got here. 50% in reclamation projects is a great achievement. With Bruney and Marte out your whole
BP is out of whack. The Yankees are in first place despite all the injuries. It has more to do with the other teams struggling, the Yankees aren’t at 600 yet.
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Yeah that happens in baseball teams struggle, you can say that about any team in first place that they are only there because other teams are struggling. The Yankees have had their own struggles this season, we have had more struggles than any other team in the AL East, but we are still in first.
DeRosa would be an ideal pickup as we’ve discussed here in the past because he can play LF/RF and anywhere in the IF. The key as always is the price tag. I don’t think he’s coming for Veras, Clagett and Berroa.
It might take a Kontos or Kroenke. OK you DeRosa advocates, what price will you pay?
DeRosa would be an ideal pickup as we’ve discussed here in the past because he can play LF/RF and anywhere in the IF. The key as always is the price tag. I don’t think he’s coming for Veras, Clagett and Berroa.
It might take a Kontos or Kroenke. OK you DeRosa advocates, what price will you pay?
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2 class B prospects is the most I would pay, and Veras wouldn’t get a bag of balls right now.
No Grady and no Victor Martinez today. Hope Hughes takes advantage.
What do we need DeRosa for?
We have Pena. How often are A-Rod, Jeter, Cano etc. going to take a day off?
We don’t need a “super utility INF”. We need some bullpen help.
DeRosa is a 34 yo FA to be with a 5.5M salary, less whatever paid to this point. What we give up would be dependent on how much salary of his we take on, and Cleveland wants “ready to pitch” pitching in return.
Igawa anyone!!! LOL.
86w183 May 31st, 2009 at 12:05 pm
DeRosa would be an ideal pickup as we’ve discussed here in the past because he can play LF/RF and anywhere in the IF. The key as always is the price tag. I don’t think he’s coming for Veras, Clagett and Berroa.
It might take a Kontos or Kroenke. OK you DeRosa advocates, what price will you pay?
going have to be pitching for sure either RP or SP, it should be something to look into on the Yankee end
If Andy is a go for Wednesday, then I expect to be this Hughes’ last start for awhile.
What do we need DeRosa for?
We have Pena. How often are A-Rod, Jeter, Cano etc. going to take a day off?
We don’t need a “super utility INF”. We need some bullpen help.
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We don’t need him, but he would help not only in the IF but the OF also.
If DeRosa comes cheap, I’m all for it.
But we really do need to be using our chips to fix the pen.
Oddessy-DeRosa can play both corner outfield spots as well, and is a proven hitter, and an above average outfielder, who certainly would outperform Swisher at the plate.
“Anyone that criticizes Joe Torre at this point is a moron. He brought us 4 championships and he still roots for the Yankees to win. Some people are just vindictive I guess..”
That’s your opinion, Patrick. My opinion is that Joe Torre is a hypocrite, who sold out his former players for cash. That pretty much flushes his participation in the 4 championships down the toilet(at least for me).
Simple question, Bruney and Melancon on the team, one run lead, which one do you want on the mound?
Melancon was here, wasn’t consistent, was sent down. Coke is not the answer either right now. Maybe in a year or so.
Trisha —
There’s a difference between “hurting the team” and serving no meaningful purpose. No, Berroa isn’t hurting anyone, but he isn’t helping either. Damon is beat up, Melky is beat up, Matsui can’t run and Nady is on the DL. That means the Yankees cannot field three healthy outfielders.
That’s where John Rodriguez or Shelley Duncan would be more helpful to this team than Berroa.
I have an old set of golf clubs in my garage. They serve no purpose, but I have a big garage and they aren’t hurting anyone. However if I had no garage and had to keep those clubs in my living room due to limited (roster?) space I would get rid of the old clubs.
Angel Berroa is a set of old golf clubs in the Yankees living room. That’s not pissing or moaning, just accurate.
I’d like to get DeRosa, but we don’t need him.
I don’t know, I think despite the fact that Pavano has been doing well, the Yankees are going to punish him today. Just a feeling.
On my way to Staples to pick up a new laptop since they are having a pretty nice sale and I am going to give mine to my neice and nephew. They’ve talked me into an HP, when I’ve had a Dell for a while. I hope that’s not a mistake.
Later y’all.
“That’s where John Rodriguez or Shelley Duncan would be more helpful to this team than Berroa.”
Exactly. The claim is that Berroa is here to cover Alex. Well, isn’t that what Pena is for?
John Rodriguez and Duncan are garbage. What purpose would either of these flunkies serve? It doesn’t matter, Nady will be here soon enough and these conversations over the 25th man will cease.
Update from Austin……
The nephew is DH’ing today. Glad to see one coach with good sense.
John Rodriguez and Duncan are garbage. What purpose would either of these flunkies serve? It doesn’t matter, Nady will be here soon enough and these conversations over the 25th man will cease.
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Nady wont be able to play the outfield.
Laura-
I read the book[got from the library so I wouldn't contribute $$ to his pocketbook], and a lot of the player tidbits came from sources like David Cone, told thru Tom Verducci. However, like you, he needed to go, especially when he didn’t pull the players during the ‘midge” attack, that IMHO cost us that game and possibly that series. If we had gone to the WS that year we would have won it IMO.
Also felt bad for the chapters on Cashman and Steinbrenner, which was from Torre, and that was totally unnecessary.
Why would any team carry four outfielders, six infielders and a DH? Ideally your DH can be a fifth outfielder, but if he can’t be that (5th OF) is more important than a second utility infielder.
It would be different if the Yankees had an established outfield and flexible/floating infield but they don’t. It’s the other way around which is why Berroa hasn’t played before the eighth inning in four weeks and has ZERO at bats in that time.
We groused about all the mediocre RHP on the 40-man roster and eventually they made some changes. Nothing wrong with keeping this issue public. Eventually Pete or Sam will try to get answers and since there aren’t any changes follow.
Trisha, any time you purchase an HP/Dell over a MacBook….its a mistake.
“That’s your opinion, Patrick. My opinion is that Joe Torre is a hypocrite, who sold out his former players for cash. That pretty much flushes his participation in the 4 championships down the toilet(at least for me).”
Absolutely the same for me.
Laura, about Pena, he’s here as a utility infielder and has played shortstop and 2nd as well, I believe. Swisher is in the outfield. I can understand them wanting more than Pena for backup. Again, Berroa’s time here is temporary. It’s pointless to bring someone up who isn’t going to get playing time or who is a two-week rental when it isn’t needed right now. That’s my feeling anyway.
not sure whats with all the hate over the Torre book. I really didnt think it was all that bad.
Torre was a class act with the Yankees, but the book was bitter and removed the “CL” from his act.
Apparently he believes that he is the only man on earth who should not be subjected to reduced compensation for diminishing results.
Given the way Mastui was running yesterday, I am a little surprised they didn’t DH Posada instead
“Given the way Mastui was running yesterday, I am a little surprised they didn’t DH Posada instead.”
Agree on that one, although Posada is one of the slowest baserunners on the team.
“Nady wont be able to play the outfield”
and, now for your point?
Trisha —
Are you kidding? Calling up players to fill two week needs is what you do throughout the season. Pena and Berroa will be chatting in the dugout while Damon and Matsui limp through injuries on the field. There is no logic to your argument.
That’s what happens when you take an entrenched position that’s indefensible.
“Update from Austin……
The nephew is DH’ing today. Glad to see one coach with good sense.”
cool…he definitly deserves to be DH’ing…if they beat army, who and when do they play again
That Texas coach should be shot. Not enough is made of these coaches that wreck kid’s arms. At least the BC coach has a conscience.
Anyone interested in taking a chance on 30 yo Ben Sheets, once he requires no compensation[Type A] after June 15th?
Is it a foregone conclusion he goes to the Rangers, who might just win the AL West?
Oh yeah – Sheets. There you go, 8th inning solution.
June 2-13 is brutal.
LeBron James for ace reliever/utility man!
If John Rodriguez ever dons Yankee Pinstripes, it would be a disgrace to the organization, fans, city, state, and country. It would make me sick. I would vomit.
“Nady wont be able to play the outfield”
and, now for your point?
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That means the yankees don’t have a fourth outfielder. duh! One OF gets hurt we are screwed.
Having 2 backup IF and no back up OF is bad, the 50 year old man serves no purpose on this team.
i think bloggers care more than baseball players what torre wrote in his book.
whether someone likes him personally or not,there’s no one who’s a more solid baseball person than torre.
i’m glad he left on his own terms and landed on his feet.
and he’s not the one who didn’t make the playoffs for the first time since 1996 is he?
“not sure whats with all the hate over the Torre book. I really didnt think it was all that bad.”
After the book came out, this blog was filled with posts about it. I thought we had moved on, but Pete’s post about Torre’s feeling about the team have apparently revised the debate. I don’t plan to say anymore about it. I was just responding to what Patrick said.
And Patrick, I hope you noticed that I was able to respond to your post without resorting to calling you a name. I hope that’s something we can both do in the future.
I’ve been extremely busy with work lately and haven’t read any comments since the beginning of the week.
I’m pretty sure most people are happy with the current state of the team, although a few whiners and complainers probably still find things wrong.
I’m really impressed with these guys. The future is bright.
Posada coming back showing no rust. CC with another solid outing. Matsui 3 hits yesterday. Tex red hot.
The only negative to me is Veras. I saw that inning last night. Good lord. What a mess.
If BC wins today, they would play Texas at 6 tonight.
hahahaaa thank you captain
suck it pavano.
Nice Captain!
YAY!!! And so the pounding begins
Can anyone get dj out??…HAHA
Does anyone remember Pavano’s uniform number when he was with the Yankees? I realize he didn’t wear the uniform often, but I am drawing a blank
“That means the yankees don’t have a fourth outfielder. duh! One OF gets hurt we are screwed.”
Even if Nady can’t play OF when he’s back, Duncan or Rodriguez won’t be on the roster anyway. There will be 4 OF on the roster, though.
Damon
that could of been a run 
45 wasnt it
wasnt it?**
A-Rod just missed!
GBOOF
May 31st, 2009 at 12:45 pm
45 wasnt it
****
That was the first number that popped into my head, but I am not sure. And I must have misplaced my Pavano jersey
Good luck Eagles! Remember to stay hydrated, Tony too!
Pro and Anti Torre bloggers need to settle this the right way.
Next home stand. Under the Torre banner. No weapons.
(keep looking for the Torre banner, I’m sure it’s there somewhere… )
that inning should have resulted in a run..damon needed to just get jeter over with 1 out but they hit some hard outs off pavano..as long as hughes keeps it respectable they should get to him
86w183
May 31st, 2009 at 11:32 am
Bodhisattva—-
We all see the connection. What you don’t see is the disconnection between your point and reality. Berroa hasn’t batted since May 4th, and only since since then has he played more than one inning and that was in a 10-run win.
He obviously (to most of us) isn’t filling ANY need.
Alex has been back for 21 games and he’s been the DH twice. You do not tie up a roster spot to have an spare utility infielder once every two weeks. It’s absurd.
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He isn’t filling a need to you, because, per your post, you’re being cavalier about the Yankees’ position of pre-empting a scenario that would preclude pinch hitting for Pena in a high leverage spot.
You say you get the connection, yet you’re advocating for Shelley Duncan, who can’t even hit a breaking pitch, and is not a particularly good outfielder – but let that go – he’s not going to give the Yankees the security they apparently feel they need for ARod.
It’s not about an inexplicable attachment to an aging, mediocre infielder, it’s rainy day security to protect an infielder who is in his prime and the best player in baseball – and to give Girardi more bench options with the game on the line.
The fact that it’s Berroa and not someone else is a better argument. But, even that has its logic. He isn’t a younger guy who needs to play – so they have no qualms about having him be a feel-good dug out guy with a bright smile, ready for emergency service.
Now, if you still think that’s disconnected to reality – take it up with the Yankees. Because that’s their logic.
This should not be a hard lineup for Hughes to face. If he has his good stuff today….The Yanks bneed to smack around the guy who robbed them.
Phil franchise
Is the YES radar gun every anywhere near correct?
Ever*
Hughes got that K about 3 pitches later than he should have. He was nibbling for at least 4 of those pitches. The good news is that he challenged Cabrera and got a swing and a miss, which should give him confidence, and lead to him challenging guys instead of nibbling.
Pete, as unfortunate as the rotation situation is for Chien-Ming Wang, I think Girardi has handled it brilliantly. If Hughes is treated like nothing but a stop-gap, he has to go out there either thinking, “What’s the point?” or feeling like he has to pitch a no-hitter to stay in the rotation. But by affirming that Hughes is part of the rotation, Girardi has allowed him to just go out and pitch.
Maybe more importantly, he’s turned the rotation into a game of musical chairs. The other starters have to think that if Wang’s spot isn’t guaranteed, nobody’s is. Maybe it’s just me, but I think I heard a little extra alarm in Pettitte’s voice when reporters suggested he might not make his next start! These starters have to be thinking that there are six starters for five spots, and the guy who can’t go out and pitch effectively for whatever reason just might be the odd one out. I bet it’s got them all kicking it up a notch out there.
“Is the YES radar gun every anywhere near correct?”
No. Yesterday it had Robertson’s fastball at 86, when it is closer to 91-92.
“(keep looking for the Torre banner, I’m sure it’s there somewhere… )”
LOL! I guess we’re meeting in Dodgers Stadium.
UPDATE, 12:43 p.m.: We’re underway in Cleveland on a chilly 56-degree day. Classic matchup of good (Hughes) vs. evil (Pavano) today as the Yankees look to stay hot.
Pete –
LMAO. You crack me up!!
“Apparently he believes that he is the only man on earth who should not be subjected to reduced compensation for diminishing results.”
good thing cashman’s contract wasn’t up after last year then.
Hughes is doing his part to keep the error less streak alive – he’s striking everyone out.
His 4-seamer clocking 93-94 on Game Day – cutter 87,88 – curve 78-ish,
Phil needs something other then the fastball and curve. Doesn’t he have a change up? Otherwise batters can’t catch up to the fastball and it is just foul after foul.
Hughes reminds me of Schilling.
nice inning for hughes…high pitch count, had a hard time finishing batters but the stuff is there
smoooooth
“Hughes reminds me of Schilling.”
Is he using ketchup too?
We need to kill pavono… how about a 7 spot?
Hughes seems more like a gravy guy….
Jeter saves a base hit up the middle?!
Besides the HBP, Phil looks good. Hopefully, he’ll have some easy innings to cool off the PC.
Robbie! Cano
Bad jump
Why cano why
Lets reminise about the Pavano era. What was your favorite Pavano injury?
Mine would have to be the bruised buttocks
What in the world is Cano doing?? He doesn’t have base stealing speed….
i dont particularly like a straight steal with cano..hes not really fast and a hit and run would of made a little more sense
Phil needs something other then the fastball and curve. Doesn’t he have a change up? Otherwise batters can’t catch up to the fastball and it is just foul after foul.
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he has cutter, but another off speed pitch would really help.
Oh darn
Matsui has swung the bat pretty well lately. But, boy, he can look BAD at times.
lol kay just referred to him as american idle
Would they shut up about Pavano
The nephew is a beast. First pitch he sees, he crushes a single to CF. BC leaves 2 on in the first. Army batting, bottom of the first.
Pavano only at 24 pitches. They need to do a better job of running his pitch count up.
I like how Kay & Flaherty are talking around the Pavano thievery. Incentive laden contract, he wakes up to pitch. Guaranteed contract he pulls a butt muscle for 4 years.
Pavano a thief, straight out.
I can’t even stand the sight of Pavano. It makes it so much more painful when he puts up zeroes against us. I want to crush him so badly.
Can the announcers please forget that it is Pavano pitching today. He makes me sick…All of a sudden he is a strike throwing machine and healthy..Look what you get for $1m.
“The nephew is a beast. First pitch he sees, he crushes a single to CF. BC leaves 2 on in the first. Army batting, bottom of the first.”
Hey, SJ44, did you see that Keith Law thinks the Pirates might take him FOURTH overall?
I hate pavono!!!
Haha what was cano thinking? Sick speed bro…
Phil looks locked it..and I love it
“Or perhaps you think that players love coming up and riding the bench, just so they can say they are up?”
Actually yes I do think minor league players love that, considering their pay takes a HUGE jump and they get to live in 4 star hotels for however long they are up.
Also, if Rodriguez, Linden or Duncan were to get the call they would play a lot more than Berroa. You say that you understand the reason why Berroa is here. Can you please enlighten us? Is he here for moral support or do the Yankees get a senior citizen discount on bats with him on the team? He certainly isn’t here to play.
I am surprised that Matsui is playing today. He looked bad running yesterday and Girardi said he has a small hamstring problem. Ground ball pitcher and Matsui don’t really go together. I thought it would be Arod DH and Pena at 3rd. Matsui’s bat is slow and he is not an everyday player anymore.
Is anyone else’s YES feed freaking out?
“Is anyone else’s YES feed freaking out?”
Mine is too.
4′ks for hughesie
Dayum. That’s not even fair. Much better inning by the young Philly.
Wow Hughes is sitting comfortably at 93-94 and already has 4 K’s. Pretty nice, keep it up boss
YES blinking for anyone else?
Hughes is looking great!
Patrick,
No other than the radar gun reading 97 on the first pitch to Shoppach hah!!
Other than that YES feed is tip top.
Ugh. I’ve gotten to watch the last two Hughes starts on national TV. How come each and every effing announcer feels it’s his job to pontificate about Joba to the pen? Shut up, Eck.
Yuuuuuuuse
Re Torre: Torre is all class. I just finished reading his book. And while yes it is a bit self serving, there really wasn’t that much dirty laundry. Even the stuff about A Rod was nothing compared to what Selena Roberts opined.
Patrick
May 31st, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Is anyone else’s YES feed freaking out?
not mine. do you need “freak out control”?
Hughes looks awesome thru 2 innings with 4 K’s.. Eck on TBS says Joba should be in the pen and thinks he will eventually end up there..Hughes breaking ball looks pretty good especially with his fastball being spotted nicely.
Duncan/Rod/Linden are not on the 40 man roster. So it is not happening right now. They already had to get rid of 2 pitchers on the 40 man for the catching situation they don’t want to get rid of more for the 5th outfielder. Even though it makes a lot of sense to do it.
Eckersley’s an idiot.
There, I said it.
There is a good reason your YES feed is acting buggy – the game is in Cleveland.
runs please
“Patrick,
No other than the radar gun reading 97 on the first pitch to Shoppach hah!!
Other than that YES feed is tip top.”
it most definitly isnt tip top..check gameday
Slight clarification to your statement Someone Else.
ANYONE who says Joba belongs in the pen is an idiot. There.
“There is a good reason your YES feed is acting buggy – the game is in Cleveland.”
Well played, sir.
Eckersley has been doing the Sox games and he is just brutal on them…..
If anyone wants to watch the game
http://www.urtvcast.com/module.....;id=126d=1
Why is Pavano not injured yet?
runs? please?
BOS up 1-0 on a Pukelis HR.
Is TBS really trying to make us feel bad for Pavano? They are saying it must have been so emotionally trying for him to be on the DL for 4 years. While I am sure that is true for anyone else, I really don’t think Pavano cared at all. The announcers are also saying the teammates are hard on him…well DUH.
Derek must have dinner plans after the game.
what is it with Cy Pavano and the Yanks making him look unhittable?
Not being able to smack around or even touch Pavano is very upsetting…
I loathe PAVANO!!!!!!!!!!!!111
i gotta give it to pavano…hes done well through 3 innings..his greatest asset is that he throws…i gotta believe the 2nd time through the order should be better…keep it up hughes!
This is a team game, and I dont understand how Joba is helping the Yankees more in the rotation than he would be helping them in the bullpen. I think he should be a starter too, but right now he should be in the setup role. Eck is 100% correct.
Pavano obviously phoned it in with the Yankees. A self-important dolt.
Nice play Robbie!
I was going to say the same thing. Cano makes that play look incredibly easy.
Watching Boston-Toronto.
They just posted top four active AL BAs vs. Red Sox, w/Melky among them.
Nice play by Cano.
double play phil
Toronto ties it.
Bad luck for Hughes, I hate those bloops when they are hit against us
Hughes has to throw his curve for strikes. Otherwise, he’s going to be in trouble the second and third time through the lineups.
Come on Phil!! No sac fly!
Second time through the lineup, it looks like maybe Cleveland has adjusted well.
That said, I’m not as bothered by that as I am them making Pavano look like Sandy Koufax for the second straight time.
Is he really hitting 97 or is the YES gun messed up again
Pavano’s FIP this season is 3.77. He’s actually be VERY good. Better than AJ or Pettitte by a full run each, and only a quarter of a run behind CC Sabathia.
More infuriating: as measured by Fangraphs, he has been worth $5.6 million to the Indians this year (contract = $1.5 million). Over his entire four years with the Yankees, he was worth a total of $4.2 million (contract = $39.95 million).
Game Day had him at 93.
And disregard the link in my name above. Newer posts can be found in the updated link in this post.
hughes is at 93 94
He just has no breaking stuff at all today. Not a recipe for success.
“Game Day had him at 93.”
Thank you
Hey tell me about Garcia
How do you walk Ben Fransisco.
crap
Dammit.
Maybe we shouldn’t write in Hughes for a spot just yet in the rotation
tough tough inning for hughes here..he really was cruising…gotta fight through it
Jorge must be calling the pitches from the dugout
Could see that coming. He just has no third pitch today. Not even a semblance of one.
This game will be over in a hurry if he doesn’t find it quickly.
who likes meatballs?
i do, i do!
can anyone tell me what FIP is? i’ve seen it a lot, not sure what it is. thanks.
“How do you walk Ben Fransisco.”
B/c he turns into a beast vs us.
Well it happens, just get out of this inning Huhges
Yes, absolutely, please keep Phil Hughes in the rotation over CWM. I mean, Hughes has won over 40 games for the Yanks – oops, that’s Wang. When did Wang become a second-class citizen?
Hughes is terrible. He’s gotten chubby, he needs to be sent down to AAA to lose weight and learn how to play baseball.
Beast Francisco
Crap!
Brandon.. “ANDY PETTITTE IS A STARRRRTIN PITCHAAA !!!”
May 31st, 2009 at 1:33 pm
“Game Day had him at 93.”
Thank you
Hey tell me about Garcia
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Didn’t get to go.
Heard his CB and change were typically nuts, w/guys helplessly swinging on them for Ks. FB command was a little off. Went 5 2/3rds I believe, his longest outing thus far. Had 6 Ks.Still stretching. It’s all good.
Well, he looked great ONCE through the lineup.
Game’s not over, but this doesn’t look good. We’re gonna see Wang today, without question.
The CLE hitters don’t move. I don’t feel sorry for them getting hit all the time. Move out of the way and you won’t get hit.
Well he is learning
Get out of the way.. Can’t crowd the plate like that and complain you got hit.. Now Phil is in trouble!
“Hughes is terrible. He’s gotten chubby, he needs to be sent down to AAA to lose weight and learn how to play baseball.”
got my vote for stupid comment of the day…
enough already
Looks like Wang is going to get his chance to pitch today
Pavanos been owning us since 03
I blame this inning on Cervelli and his pitch calling
Hughes is not “terrible”. Good grief.
He’s a 22 year old who just has no feel or command of his breaking pitches today.
eek
come on Phil
rconn23
May 31st, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Could see that coming. He just has no third pitch today. Not even a semblance of one.
This game will be over in a hurry if he doesn’t find it quickly.
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Cutter’s not well located. God Swisher has an awful arm.
^ Sarcasm btw
3ER for a young pitcher and already people here are calling him not only terrible, but overweight too. Every pitcher gets in jams. He isn’t going to have an outing like he had in Texas every time he takes the mound.
Damn …WTH was that
Swisher is a liability in all aspects of the game.
We need a new RF. That was a horrible throw by Swisher and it let the runners move up.
Swisher needs to throw that to second
That was a terrible throw by Swish! Come back soon Nady.. What kind of a rainbow throw was that?
Bad play by Swish, but innings like this help build character.
We need a new starting pitcher while we’re at it.
“Hughes is terrible. He’s gotten chubby, he needs to be sent down to AAA to lose weight and learn how to play baseball.”
a brain is a terrible thing to waste…
nice tamping by the grounds crew guy .
pitch f/x had his tamp at 2034 lbs per square inch and his release point was excellent
The HBP on a 0-2 count really hurt.
A strikeout here would be fabulous.
Hughes at 60 pitches.
Tough inning for Hughes. Hopefully he gets this last out and settles down from here on out. Even with the huge number of pitches this inning he could get through 6
Hughes curve is off today
“pitch f/x had his tamp at 2034 lbs per square inch and his release point was excellent”
What is “Pitch FX” ??
finally
Beulah May 31st, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Hughes is terrible. He’s gotten chubby, he needs to be sent down to AAA to lose weight and learn how to play baseball.
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Holy stupidity
Could have been much worse
Swisher should go into the dugout and introduce himself to the cut off man.
RalphieD (OPPC all day)
May 31st, 2009 at 1:38 pm
“Hughes is terrible. He’s gotten chubby, he needs to be sent down to AAA to lose weight and learn how to play baseball.”
got my vote for stupid comment of the day…
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I second that nomination.
“We need a new starting pitcher while we’re at it.”
Sure we do
3 runs is not all that bad all things considered. Maybe Pavano is going to cool off a little sitting on the bench for a half an hour
“UPDATE, 1:39 p.m.: That’s a foolish throw by Swisher.”
Foolish? Pete, you’re being too kind. That was a God awful throw by Swisher.
I think Hughes is distracted by the all-you-can-eat seats in the stadium there. He wants to eat.
Could have been worse. Come on Yanks!
the crowe hit as a good pitch.
bloop by cabrera what can you do.
to many fastballs when his curve is not working. still battling…
No reason for Hughes to not be able to keep this team in the game with Martinez and Sizemore out today.. This should of been an easier game since he beat a hot hitting Rangers team with 8 shutout innings!
“3 runs is not all that bad all things considered. Maybe Pavano is going to cool off a little sitting on the bench for a half an hour”
He’s hoping he injured himself while he was waiting for that inning to end.
Cliff Lee is probably somewhere steaming. CLE doesn’t score any runs for him whenever he pitches yet they give the American Idle a 3 run lead.
Boy does this team need a RF for now and the future. Swish double clutched on the double, was late coming in on a bloop that should be caught and made two poor throws.
Hughes must learn to trust his changeup. He has nothing offspeed if the curve isn’t working.
Looks like Wang might get 3-4 innnigs today. If so, and he pitches well I suspect he’ll move into the rotation again.
Beulah
May 31st, 2009 at 1:43 pm
I think Hughes is distracted by the all-you-can-eat seats in the stadium there. He wants to eat.
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If you are calling Hughes overweight, I sincerely hope you are a size 0
Swish is a bad of
Well if Hughes doesn’t have his curve he has no breaking stuff, it would help him greatly if he added another breaking, lets say a change.
Can the Yankees please get something going against Pavano for once in their lives?
Is it me or is Damon in a mini slump?
“can anyone tell me what FIP is? i’ve seen it a lot, not sure what it is. thanks.”
Fielding-independent pitching. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....d-part-two
Laura – Stay in 1st place together, strike out alone!
May 31st, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Is it me or is Damon in a mini slump?
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Not just you. His BA has definitely taken a nosedive since that streak where he was hitting everything. But he is still my pretend boyfriend
Come on offense..
That was a very upsetting inning from Hughes. He is facing a very bad lineup and let it get away from him. Like we have seen from him before and like most young pitchers do. How many times have we seen Swisher air mail the ball to the plate? He is pathetic out there…The fact that they can’t touch Pavano is beyond pathetic….
Is it me or is Damon in a mini slump?
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Not just you. He does appear to have cooled off a wee bit
Carl Pavano is making me really mad.
I feel like punching Pavano in the face through my television screen. I hope the Yankees pull out a 7 run inning soon to knock this bastard out of the game.
“Not just you. His BA has definitely taken a nosedive since that streak where he was hitting everything. But he is still my pretend boyfriend”
Damon is banged up. The wall in Texas was not kind.
Right now the Yanks are short in the OF, he needs to play.
Pavano at 49 pitches. That’s just ridiculous.
Pavano.
Can they make him at least sweat a little?
It really is embarassing that the Yankees are so inept offensively against Pavano.
We have somewhere to be Robi ?
Really Cano? 1st pitch!
Robbie Cano: “Plate discipline? What’s that?”
I’m getting really sick of them giving outs to G.D. Carl F’ing Pavano.
Nice Cano.
Stop acting like Pavano is a bad pitcher.
making pavano sweat with a loooooooooooooooooong 10 pitch inning. i thought that would never end.
Damon’s left leg is killing him and you can’t hit off your front leg very often.
Of course if the Yankees had another OF on the roster instead of Angel Berroa they could rest him for a day or two, but it’s better to have one of the most useless players in the game tying up a roster spot.
At least it keeps Bodhisattva and Trisha happy.
“Really Cano? 1st pitch!”
Is anybody really surprised about this?? You see it day in and day out.
How come Pavano doesn’t miss his start so he can take his girlfriend for an abortion with Indians?
Hopefully a better and fast inning here for Phil
Robbie takes bad swings from time to time – Ok, a lot – but Pavano is pounding the strike zone today.
He’s not walking anybody. On a day like today, sometimes the first pitch you see maybe the best you get to hit.
Folks, they are losing a game in the 4th and have won 16 of their last 21 games. Stop whining, you sould like Philly fans.
It’s only 4th inning…
If we keep tribe to 4 or 5 runs…we’ll win this thing.
A Rod with a bomb.
Cano is looking like the very bad Cano recently. Swinging at the 1st pitch all 3 games in this series, for a reason I don’t think anyone can explain trying to steal a base. Why would anyone ever pitch to Arod with him batting 4th. Why can’t the kid use his talent all the time and not take days off?
S.A. and Laura I hear what you’re saying regarding Pavano.
They need to get that pitch count up. I never thought I’d say this, but they may need to make most of their comeback against the Indians bullpen. Carl looks good today.
(sigh)
so disappointing.
Yankees will come back.
Cano is going to swing when he thinks he sees a pitch he can hit.
He swung on the first pitch yesterday, too, w/the bases loaded, and knocked in two runs.
It’s like people expect him to turn into Bobby Abreu. Don’t hold your breath.
He’s an aggressive hitter.
Benny Blanco
May 31st, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Yankees will come back.
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I agree. Even if they can’t get to Pavano, isn’t the Cleveland bullpen kind of stinky?
Yuse is pitching pretty good.
It looks like another barely 5 innings for Hughes today…This is probably the worst lineup he will face this season..I am surprised.
“Cano is looking like the very bad Cano recently.”
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Really? Good call since coming into today he is 12 of his last 22. Maybe you could check out baseball-reference before you make a statement.
6k’s
Strikeout #6.
Lay off Cano.
Seriously.
He’s a freaking stud. .320 average coming into today.
He’s struck out 15 times all year. Go look at some numbers and come back and tell me how impressive that is.
He’s 6th or 7th in the entire major leagues in hits.
Just shut up about the whining on Cano.
Its making you look really silly.
12 of his last 32 that is
I love how when the Yankees are losing (in a games – or series of games) you guys find any reason to start to pick on players.
Hilarious, great comedic relief.
Looks like Hughes suddenly remembered how to pitch. That’s good.
Now we just have to get to the thieving a-hole.
Phil, way to make the adjustment.
1-2-3 inning for the Phil.
nice inning. Now go club that fraud and thief!
Eckersley confident that there will be retaliation from the Red Sox in the next series because of Joba pitch to Bay’s back.
Good. Bring it. I hope Joba drills Puekilis right on his wrist. Something the Sux have done many times to Jeter.
Great inning Phil, best curve all day
Hughes is looking good, even with the hiccup in the 3rd. This game is not lost…keep grinding away.
Now, time for the offense to do some damage against the Thief.
Better inning for Phil
He’s at 74 pitches
Hughes looking good. Needs to curb the pitch count. The AB’s against Pavano have been lazy at best. Its not like we are desperate for a win, but I would hate nothing more than to lose to that POS pitching for the tribe.
6 SO damn
Please pound Pavano here
Phil can give us 6. If hes really lucky 7.
you really see the flashes of brilliance by hughes these days..but then you see the innings were he gets smacked a bit…its all about finding that consistentcy…hes definitly got the talent…yanks need to go out there and support him with some runs…totally a winnable game no matter how good pavano has looked
You guys are ripping on Hughes he has given up 2 hard hit balls, a bloop hit and 2 hbp he has 6 strike outs, even when he is giving up runs he looks like the real deal. and he is 22, 22!!!!
Where you at Rachel? People come back at you with stats on Cano and you have nothing?
Where you at Rachel? People come back with stats and you have nothing?
I hate hate hate Pavano with so much passion he makes me sick.
The thief is doing pretty well.
Phil can give us 6. If hes really lucky 7.
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I’m hoping we can eek out 7 from him somehow.
I think Swisher might finally be getting his groove back
We need line drives. The wind is blowing in.
it’s a Pavano Pity Party on TBS.
The Thief is cruisin’.
In other cheerful news, Big Popup is 0-1 today so far. His is down to a sparkling .184
We’re going to lose to Carl Pavano
Very lackluster offense, again, for the Yankees against the thief. What is he at, 30 pitches? Is he really hitting 95 mph as YES is showing?
I could be misremembering, but the Yanks won the game vs. Pavano in the Bronx, no? After he mostly shut them down through 6?
Is that the error?
Ugh. Gardner…
gardner misses played that.
The Yanks are firing on all cylinders today.
Is that Gardner’s fault or weather ?
Terrible read by Gardner.
They called it a hit but more like error, imo.
Is there anywhere online ot listen to the radio broadcasT?
Nick in SF in Larkspur
May 31st, 2009 at 2:06 pm
I could be misremembering, but the Yanks won the game vs. Pavano in the Bronx, no? After he mostly shut them down through 6?
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I think he shut them down then too, but they came back against the bullpen. But I am not 100% sure
most of you change emotions,opinions & the comments go from negative to positive & back to negative after each pitch.
the object of the game is to score one more run than the other team after 9 innings & we are still playing.
we can still win this game.
the yankees are not going to pitch hitless baseball for the rest of the year.
even if we lose we are still in 1st place.
how long has it been since we could say that???
Melky would’ve caught that ball. Sorry, I had to.
“Is that Gardner’s fault or weather ?”
Gardner. He ran in on the ball, and realized, “Oh crap, I shouldn’t have done that”, and couldn’t get back in time to catch it. Just a terrible play in center.
This just proves the Yankees can’t hit pitchers they’ve never seen before…
Yankees beat up the Cleveland bullpen in that game against Pavano. Pavano had one run charged to him.
Jack Knight
May 31st, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Is there anywhere online ot listen to the radio broadcasT?
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It requires the Gameday Audio package from MLB.com. It costs $14.95 for the whole season and postseason and gives you access to all games for every team. I am a huge fan of it for day games while I am at work.
Nice 5th inning for GGBG. First the GIDP then missjudges a fly ball into a leadoff double.
Why am I not surprised by Gardner’s defense in CF…
Jack Knight,
Here you go. 94.3 usually works but is a minute or two behind
http://radiotime.com/affiliate.....tions.aspx
in positive news… Swisher hit the cut off man.
come on Phil
Ben Francisco = The biggest Yankee killer in the leaague, srsly no one gets a fastball by him.
This is the first game in about a month where I honestly wanted to throw something. I am seriously contemplating giving up on this, because I’m absolutely sick of watching Hughes struggle, and Pavano coast.
Well with the way the Thief is pitching this is a big inning.
Gardner should have had that ball.
Erica & Cliff –
Thanks to both of you.
man this is a frustrating game
Pavano is in line to pitch deep into the game. The Indians bullpen may not come into play today.
“most of you change emotions,opinions & the comments go from negative to positive & back to negative after each pitch.”
funny how different people react to the comments, i don’t see much negativity on this board today. just reactions to bad, iffy plays. not everyone cares to inbide the kool aid.
All of a sudden the strike zone has gotten smaller…It looks like a Wang day today.
The game is getting away here.
last inning for phil.
Okay second guessers- Why is Tomko warming instead of Wang???
Where was that?
Srsly I don’t know if he wouldn’t have made the same mistake, it’s not like Melky never did that…sorry I had to.
Wang may have to start in place of Pettitte.
Come on Phill Battle!!!!
“This is the first game in about a month where I honestly wanted to throw something. I am seriously contemplating giving up on this, because I’m absolutely sick of watching Hughes struggle, and Pavano coast.”
I totally agree…lol Nothing is worse then seeing them go down easy against that piece of crap.
In positive news – Swisher ran the ball in, and didn’t throw.
Brett Tomko warming. That says to me that they aren’t as sure about Pettitte making his next start as they claim to be.
The Yankees can probably score against Cleveland’s bullpen, but at the pace Pavano is on, they’re not even going to see the bullpen.
Yanks will hold them scoreless here book it
If phil gets out of this, we will win.
A DP would be massive here.
get through this inning Phil. come on
Carl
May 31st, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Wang may have to start in place of Pettitte.
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That must be it. Pettitte’s next start is Tuesday right? If Tomko comes in over Wang that yells to me they plan to skip Pettitte to be safe
Girardi was mentioning that it takes CMW a while to warm up. I hope he’s starting to warm right now. Top of the 6th might not be enough time.
The idiot John Sterling!!! “He struck him out swinging!!!!!!!!!!!!!, no wait foul tip”
This should not be such a struggle against this lineup. This is 1 of those starts where everyone sees why you can’t pitch with just a fastball. He only has all of his pitches working like 1 out of every 3-4 starts. You can’t do that up here…
damn….
“Yanks will hold them scoreless here book it”
You lied, Baseball Fab, you lied.
Good job minimizing damage.
As expected, Gardner’s play hurt them this inning. If he was unsure of where the ball would land, he should have played it safe and held back to play it on a hop for a single.
Well we have 12 outs to get 4 runs. Come on offense!!
this yankee offense shall bring forth runs…i command thy!
that run should be charged to Gardner.
Anytime Swisher has to run you wonder if the ball will drop in before him…Nady get well soon…
Scoring 4 runs on 5 hits is pretty difficult…Phil didn’t really pitch that poorly.
The Yanks are also hitting Pavano pretty hard…hopefully some results come soon.
Phil Hughes 5.0 5H 4ER 1BB 6K’s
I want the Yanks to win 8-5…but It’s looking like they’ll lose 6-2.
Can we hit this loser please!!!!!?!!!!
Phil Hughes 5.0 5H 4ER 1BB 6K’s
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Should be 3 ER
It’s still a major league lineup. Is Phil supposed to strike them all out because Sizemore and Martinez are out?
Well yankees need to take the ball the other way.
I’m going out on a limb to say the yanks will win 6-4.
The Thief can’t seem to be hit.
ARE U SERIOUS???????
i hate to make excuses for people but with some different luck, hughes could of had a different line…
wow things going the indians way
jeter was safe by a mile!
No damn way he was out.
wow soooooo safe
Jeter gets robbed.
safe by a full step!
everything going the yanks way today
That was a terrible call at first
This game should of been a no-brainer, but the Yanks seem to be taking the game off offensively. Jeter was safe!! ABSOLUTELY! Bad call by the ump.. Now we know that this game just isn’t going the Yanks way.
Thanks to the umpire for getting that call right….
Somebody should lay down a bunt and run over Pavano. Seriously. This is BS.
I HATE this man and wish nothing but bad things for him.
Not the best outing for Phil, but let’s not make it out as though he had the worse outing of his career.
Can we score a run..or 5?
I’m so tired of the umps having that much influence on a baseball game…….and damon singlessss
DT – OPPC member (it’s in our blood)
May 31st, 2009 at 2:19 pm
that run should be charged to Gardner.
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Unfortunately, it’s an earned run to Hughes.
It’s not bad enough that WE’RE giving outs to Pavano, now the umpires are doing it to. Absolutely inexcusable. It wasn’t even close.
cooooool should be 1st and 2nd 1 out
Should be 1st and 3rd one out.
Umps stink.
Carl Pavano I hate you, did Pavano pay that first base ump with the money he stole from the yankees.
Can’t even score a run on Pavano. This is sad. By the way, Gardner is proving he doesn’t belong starting. Not only he kills a rally, he then makes a bonehead play in center and causes the lead to increase by 1.
LOL we cant hit him
TEX!!!!
FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That would have been a 4-3
Nice Tex!! Should be 4-3 now.. Damn umps.. I am pissed !!
Should be 4-3 right now!
That’s the Carl Pavano we all know and love (to hate).
Tex takes Pavano deep!
TEIXEIRA MAKES IT LESS EMBARRASSING TO BE OUT-PITCHED BY PAVANO!
Go Tex!! It should of been a 3 run homer..Thanks umpire..
Tex!
It’d be 4-3 if we didn’t have Don Denkinger at first today. Ugh.
that play costs us a run
Tex Amazing!
Hopefully that bad call at first is not the difference in the game
Should be 4-3. Thanks ump. Here we go, boys.
freaking Zambrano umpire!!
Tex!!!! Too bad it would be a 1 run game if the ump hadn’t completely blown that call.
Kay with the fallacy of the predetermined outcome. Again.
Yankees will win 6-4…
Pavano still lives
He probably would have pitched Tex different had it been 2 on 1 out.
Okay we have 9 out to get 2 runs good progress. the game should be 3-3 but GGBG and the 1st base ump had different ideas.
TEX is God! He just hit a 2 run HR to make the score Yankees 2, Pavano 4.
How pissed is Theo Epstein right now? They could have Tex at 1B, Pukeilis at 3B and Lowell at DH now that Papi is a corpse. HAHA. Losers.
Should be a 4-3 game right now.
I honestly want to throw something across the room right now. I’m glad he hit that, but I’m so G.D. pissed off that a COMPLETELY blown call cost us a run, that it’s hard for me to get excited. No F’ing excuse that this is a 2 run game, and not a 1 run game. None.
I want to hear someone else ,down play small ball.
When bats are silent, *MANUFACTURE RUNS* . Two of the 4 runs by the Tribe are * sacfly* ,with a person on third,1 or no outs, *it works* .
JoeT 28 in 10!! Shelly Duncan for Angel Berroa Movement!!!!
May 31st, 2009 at 2:26 pm
freaking Zambrano umpire!!
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Hahaha. Maybe Zambrano was on to something throwing him out of the game. That was an hilarious hissy he threw
Wang in the game
We need instant replay at 1st base for yet another bad call…
Let’s go Wang!
Carl Pavano I hate you, did Pavano pay that first base ump with the money he stole from the yankees….
yey CMW!!
wang will get the win…wang wants his spot back
“He probably would have pitched Tex different had it been 2 on 1 out.”
It’s possible. Still a bad call on Jeter.
Hopefully we’ll get a make-up call and even things out.
If Gardner can catch a ball in CF it would be a 1 run game..Also if the umpire had his glasses on the game can be tied…
Wang on the rise!
CMW now to stop the bleeding.. Nice move by Girardi.
Wang chung is on, lets see where this goes, so far, nice action on K #1
Enjoy SWB again, Phil. My guess is Wang will be taking Phil’s next turn (provided he doesn’t blow up here).
Wang’s sinker looks really good. Great pitches right there.
Have missed that dead sound off the bat. Let’s go Wanger!
Wang at about 92.6 mph. Can we round him up
Wang looks nasty. His sinker is definitely back.
WANG IS A STARTING PITCHER!!!
I feel a Yankee comeback victory in my bones. The Yanks will be in attack mode after this inning
Wang looking beastly.
93 now get em!
Nice ground ball. Bad Alex.
Well I guess we’ll see Wang pitch from the stretch. ::fingers crossed::
Gameday has Wang’s sinker at 92-94 mph.
Arod played in too much on that hit.. could’ve had a chance if he played normal.
GRRRR, stuck with the TBS broadcast. Not enjoying the dreck from Eck.
bad Alex? He actually got a good jump on that but just out of his reach.
Wang looks nasty. His sinker is definitely back.
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Yup. That was clear in his last relief appearance. Has turned the corner.
OK, I can’t f*cking take it any more. STOP BLATHERING ABOUT JOBA TO THE PEN!!!
This has me even more frustrated than the American Idle.
Eck is such a horrible announcer. Sawx are god, Yanks are crap. It’s pretty ridiculous. Never thought I’d miss Ron Darling…
“Enjoy SWB again, Phil. My guess is Wang will be taking Phil’s next turn (provided he doesn’t blow up here).”
Nope because Yuse didn’t pitch bad at all
Let’s go Wang!
Cervelli’s got a cannon.
wow cervelli
Cisco !
Cervelli guns him down!
Nick in SF….Are you at a computor ??? If so I can give you my MLB.Com password…..
Good inning for Wang and Cervelli.
FRANCISCO!!!! Love it. I hope we carry three cathers when Molina is back.
Lets go..
JOBA IS A STARTER. JOBA IS A STARTER. JOBA IS A STARTER. Phew, that felt good. That is what I want to scream at the TBS announcers right now. I don’t understand the logic with the seeing him everyday vs. every five days. First of all as an 8th inning set up man you wouldn’t see him everyday anyway because that would not be possible. Why wouldn’t you want 6 or 7 quality innings every 5th day? Joba has high caliber stuff. You don’t waste that on the 8th inning. That’s like keeping Jeter on the bench so he can pinch hit late in the game to put pressure on the other team…no…you just wouldn’t do that.
Wang 18.00era
Alright! Let’s work on getting some more runs now
“Arod played in too much on that hit.. could’ve had a chance if he played normal.”
He was playing against the bunt with Valbuena batting. I’m not sure I would have done it, but if he’d bunted, it would’ve worked.
Also, that throw by Cervelli is made even better by the fact that the ball bounced up in to his glove.
Wang’s ERA under 20! YES
Lets get tie this thing up.
Good inning by wang
NOW DESTROY THE CRIMINAL!!!!
I mean, come on, the dope is from New Britain, CT. and he proceeds to lie like a lump on a log for 4 years…totally a Red Sux plant.
BUNT AND ROLL OVER HIS FRIGGIN’ ANKLE!!!
Can we pinch hit Posada for Matsui here? Godzilla hasn’t looked good today. Maybe we should start playing him every other day.
Nice inning from Wanger.
Especially against the team that lit him up earlier.
baby steps
“You don’t waste that on the 8th inning.”
Your not wasting anything if his production is helping you protect leads in games.
I’m watching YES but how the heck does the Joba debate start when he isn’t even pitching?
You just have to give up on the debate, when the Yankees do things it’s JUST BIGGER, it just is. the Sox have been moving Masterson in & out of the rotation and not a peep from the media.
You guys have to chill out, Hughes wasn’t that bad. A bit of bad luck here and there and some key hits hurt. 5 innings 4 runs isn’t good but he only gave up 5 hits 1 walk with 6 K’s. He’ll get another start for sure.
Pat M: thanks, but my internet connection up here in Marin is pretty slow. The dreck from Eck is annoying, but I’m enjoying a big HD flatscreen, so it’s ok.
Nice garbage time Cavs 2H cover last night!
Pavano witches !
Maria: apparently you’ve never read E-Gawa’s “logic” on the matter…
Younger Matsui would have turned on that first pitch strike.
Wow how the heck did Matsui run that out?
Just got back with my new laptop. (Can’t do a mac so I did get an HP)
“Are you kidding? Calling up players to fill two week needs is what you do throughout the season. Pena and Berroa will be chatting in the dugout while Damon and Matsui limp through injuries on the field. There is no logic to your argument.
That’s what happens when you take an entrenched position that’s indefensible.”
86w183, that’s pretty heavy handed for someone whose position is blowing in the wind since the Yankee organization is doing the opposite of what you suggest!
patrick, opinions about why Berroa is up have been proferred and you are having none of it. So I think at this point it just has to turn into an extension of St. Thomas Aquinas’s definition of faith: To one who has it, no explanation is necessary. To one without it, no explanation is possible.”
bodhisattva – you have been, and remain, my hero.
Just a shout out to Joe Girardi’s managing. Sometimes it is only retrospect that can show those who didn’t understand/appreciate something originally why it actually might have made sense. Because I typically trust that Girardi knows what he is doing, when it doesn’t make total sense to me it doesn’t throw me. So I will say that I didn’t have a handle on his use of Wang at the time – though I trusted me knew what he was doing. Well I think it was brilliant managing because I believe he was dealing with person as much as situation. Wang definitely needed an infusion of confidence as much as he needed to show that he had his stuff back. The way you infuse confidence into someone like Wang isn’t to throw him into a tight game at the end. You do it by letting him work his way back using him in easier situations so there isn’t inordinate pressure on him. (As a comparison, you wouldn’t need to do that with someone like Boomer.) So by letting him work his way back in, I do think that he has regained confidence in his pitching.
I think that makes total sense.
I am totally appreciate of Girardi’s managing if for no other reason than I am able to say that he has managed the Yankees to first place in spite of a spate of injuries – and some of them still ongoing!
Matsui
. Okay swish lets Go!
Can our hitters try and aim some line drives up the middle (preferably at Pavano)?
And if you took the under .5 on number of infield hits Matsui would have today… YOU LOSE!
“I’m watching YES but how the heck does the Joba debate start when he isn’t even pitching?”
It happened last Monday on the ESPN broadcast, too. I turned that game off, and I’ve muted this one. I want to throw something. I’ve already vented to my poor girlfriend, who was utterly confused.
Lets go Carl !
“I’m watching YES but how the heck does the Joba debate start when he isn’t even pitching?”
I’m also watching YES, but that is what happens when you have a Game of the Week type setup. They use that one game to opine about whatever issues are going on with the two teams. That may be fine for the occasional fan, but not people like us who follow the team everyday.
Why is every game in Cleveland feel like a Nature special?
PAvano’s friends are flying around, no way he screws this up.
Damn you Nick
Swish you stink!!
Nick in SF,,,I was wondering if you hit on the second half last night….I’m already locked on the Lakers @ 5 1/2….I see Bynam coming up big vs. Orlando
Pavano only at 81 pitches.
Well. I certainly am just about tired of Swisher, too.
I’m tired of a lot today.
patrick, when I come to a game thread after the game has started I tend to read from bottom to top, so I just noticed your post telling people to chill about Hughes. I am hoping that this hasn’t been a relative cesspool game thread, as usually happens when the Yankees aren’t winning during a game.
I think I will just stay with this point forward. No need to get aggravated by reading any over-the-top posts – if there are any.
6 more outs…… my tummy hurts.
trisha, that’s a cop out answer. Nobody has given a good reason why Berroa is on the team. THE DUDE DOES NOT PLAY! How can he be useful!?!?!?
Tough luck for Gardner.
Swish still has a 370 OBP clip while only hitting 230.
and for you Mr Hughes, your shuttle to scranton awaits.
Today is not our day. Just pray Pavano pulls something between innings (and no, I don’t feel bad about saying that).
if that had a pr for Matsui that inning, no way Garko catches that ball.
Losing to Pavano sucks.
Why are the Baseball Gods smiling down at Pavano? Why
?
Ugh, can’t catch a break today. I’m guessing Posada leads off next inning. I wouldn’t mind this loss if it wasn’t Pavano that was shutting us down.
I hate you Pavano!
It’s just hilarious come on people you can’t help but laugh, Pavano’s revenge.
trisha, lets put it this way. Someone said that Hughes is too fat and needs to go to AAA immediately to lose weight. Pure insanity
Wow, Little Lord Bruise Butt can hi five his teammates without getting hurt? Amazing.
Go away, Carl Pavano.
Swish has to go 4-4 everyday right?
Trisha —
Ever since this OPPC crap started you’ve gone from intelligent poster to self-righteous acolyte.
You go on with your blind faith… I will continue to question authority when I think Authority is wrong. In this case even the Rev. Jim Jones would have trouble selling this Kool-Aid to more than a handful of devotees.
Yes the front office knows more details about this team than I do. They were also smarter than me when they chose Igawa over Lilly, weren’t they? I bet giving $ 40 million to Pavano was pure genius too in your obedient world.
“Why is every game in Cleveland feel like a Nature special?”
I can’t wait until Swisher’s role gets “re-defined” once Nady can play RF. He’s just not an everyday player on this team.
“and for you Mr Hughes, your shuttle to scranton awaits.”
It can awaits aslong as it wants he ain’t going anywhere, they didn’t even hit him hard today.
just two runs…come on yanks
The biggest problem with sending Hughes down is that it means they don’t get rid of Tomko and/or Veras.
Still, if Wang is solid for 3-4 innings he gets a spot in the rotation.
A scud missle to your face, Carl Pavano!
“UPDATE, 2:43 p.m.: No break there as Gardner hits rocket into the glove of Garko. Had the ball got into the right-field corner Matsui might have got to second.”
ha ha good one, yeah matsui looks like he needs a walker, sad
“No need to get aggravated by reading any over-the-top posts…”
Is there ever?
Why can’t we beat this bum. I wonder if the players are “trying to hard” becuase they want to beat his butt in.
You show them wang.
Cobra Kai May 31st, 2009 at 2:47 pm
A scud missle to your face, Carl Pavano!
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Is it wrong that I was hoping for that too?
CC Wang Joba in Boston
Pete – any talk of getting Matsui’s knee drained again?
Seems like he can barely walk.
“Carl May 31st, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Swish has to go 4-4 everyday right?”
No, he just has to not make bonehead plays in the outfield, and maybe not strike out every game.
And a batting average over .260 would be awesome!
Like Gardner right? He gets a pass because hes fast. It would be 3-2 right now.
CLE announcers think that Wang belongs in the rotation.
“UPDATE, 2:43 p.m.: No break there as Gardner hits rocket into the glove of Garko. Had the ball got into the right-field corner Matsui might have got to second.”
LOL
DeRosa would be a good pick-up. He can play the infield and outfield. Berroa is a waste. Can’t hit and not a good fielder.
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Is there a worse throwing outfield than Damon, Gardner and Swisher? Painful watching them throw. Hurry back Melky and Nady.
86w183 – now now, dry those eyes. Bodhisattva put you in your place nicely on this. It’s as I told patrick. You are so entrenched in your position (unlike you I won’t call it indefensible because I’m not that ridiculous) that it doesn’t matter what anyone says. So stay there.
To those of us who get it, I guess we’ll stay where we are.
Okay dokey?
I don’t tend to stomp and whine when I don’t get my way or when I disagree with the Yankees. I would say on the occasions where I disagreed with what they did, they ended up getting it right! So I’m real good with that, especially when I actually understand and agree with the position.
Wang looks good right now… Kind of ironic that it’s against the Indians, the same team that beat him 22-4, the last game before he put on the DL.
“UPDATE, 2:43 p.m.: No break there as Gardner hits rocket into the glove of Garko. Had the ball got into the right-field corner Matsui might have got to second.”
If the Yanks had PR for Matsui, Garko most likely would have been holding the runner on. That line drive would have been in the corner.
Beastly Francisco
If Wang continues to pitch well, I am actually liking this situation. Not that he should be a BP guy (heck no) but he gets a chance to build up his arm strength facing MLB players while building up his “mental toughness” (like he lacked that, just my dig against Eiland).
Hughes is on innings count and when does a pitching rotation ever make it through the season intact?
Wang should just keep plugging away, Hughes continue his good outing and things will fall into place, imo.
Gardner reminds me of Joey Gathright. All the speed in the world and could do a world of hurt, if only they could hit. Both couldn’t hit .300 combined if they were pitched beach balls.
CLE announcers think that Joba belongs in the pen. I think that they are frequent WFAN listeners.
I’d like to punch Ben Francisco in the face.
I’ve been saying all year long that Brett Gardner is TERRIBLE at balls hit right at him or over his head. He also doesn’t get very good jumps on balls hit in front of him or in the gaps. For all of his speed, he really isn’t a good outfielder.
Two runs is not impossible but the offense needs to show signs of life in the 8th. Posada-Jeter-Damon-Tex-ARod…it’s got to be next inning…
Wangs got the sinker working.
“I’d like to punch Ben Francisco in the face.”
Be careful, Donnie. He looks like the type that would hit you back….and it would hurt.
Ciisco got tired of Ben
Cervelli almost got him.
Cano looked late getting there with the tag.. now the infield hit.
Rose
May 31st, 2009 at 2:51 pm
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Is there a worse throwing outfield than Damon, Gardner and Swisher? Painful watching them throw. Hurry back Melky and Nady.
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I just find it amazing how this team went from an abundance of outfielders, to three guys who, really, all can use a day (or two) off
Wang having some bad luck.
that was a tough play..
jen, watching Pavano just reinforces to me more than ever that not everyone is cut out to wear the pinstripes! Right? You can do the best scouting in the world (we were far from the only team vying for Pavano’s affection
) but it isn’t until the person is actually playing in the NY spotlight that we get to see if they are cut out for it. Think Javier Vasquez, think Jeff Weaver, think Jose Contreras, to name but a few.
Come on Wang, battle baby battle!
It will be a good confidence builder if Wang can get himself out of this jam.
“Cervelli almost got him.”
In the face
“Be careful, Donnie. He looks like the type that would hit you back….and it would hurt.”
No way, I could take him.
bounces are not going our way today
Wang is looking real Good, if we lose this game ill sleep tonight because of Wang
Dinkers, Bloopers, & Bleeders…Indian offense today…..
“Both couldn’t hit .300 combined if they were pitched beach balls.”
i know your trying to be cute but thats just flat out not true
Trisha —
It’s hopeless. You have traded your brain a set of Yankees rosary beads. Lemme know the next time Berroa does something useful. Light a candle for me
YEEEEESSSS!!!!!!!!!!!
Tex is the Man
Way to go, Wang!!
Wang is back! In the long run that’s better than winning this game or beating up Pavano.
How do Carey and Eckersley spend one inning talking about how Joba has been only mediocre as a starter and should absolutely be in the bullpen, then the next inning lamenting how these days young pitchers aren’t given the chance to develop?
How many scorless innings is that for the wanger???
Francisco vs. Donnie under the Pavano banner after the game.
No weapons.
Wanger rounding back to form. Nice =)
“No way, I could take him.”
Tell him to meet you under the O’Neill banner.
Pavano coming back out for the 8th. This is where we gotta kill him. Come on fellas.
Wang has been really impressive his last two outings. His sinker has gained velocity and all his pitches have been down in the zone.
Wanger!
“Wang is looking real Good, if we lose this game ill sleep tonight because of Wang”
Great way to look at it. We are a bloop and a blast from tying the game, but at some point there will be at least one more loss this season! Taking the positives out of it goes a long way toward a good night’s sleep and positive anticipation for the next game.
“How do Carey and Eckersley spend one inning talking about how Joba has been only mediocre as a starter and should absolutely be in the bullpen, then the next inning lamenting how these days young pitchers aren’t given the chance to develop?”
Because they’re clueless?
Yankees win 5-4???
Just a random observation:
If it was Andy Pettitte pitching today, and he threw 5 IP and gave up 4 runs, it would be: Oh wow, Andy was so gritty, and battled out there even when he didn’t have his best stuff. What a warrior.
trisha
I wonder if the Yanks started doing psychological exams after Pavano. I think many of his injuries were made up so he didn’t have to pitch here.
Sure wish Yankees hit to run ratio could be converted to runs.
6 hits only 2 runs,not good.
Vince- Agreed. But a kid does it and he stinks.
Done and done.
Pavano is going to throw a complete game shutout against us… this is embarrassing.
Well…done and done, now that I can spell correctly.
Would the YES network really have the nerve to make Pavano the Player of the Game?????
Very astute observation, BJK.
Meanwhile, of course the Yanks can still win this game, but I think that Wang getting back on track – and showing it – is more important the results of any particular game. So this game already has a silver lining.
complete game shutout lol
rs- Agreed, maybe it is better easing him back into the game. Instead of saying here pitch 7 innings.
Vince, that’s b/c Andy Pettitte can’t pitch the 8th inning :p
Come on Jorge!!!!!!!!!!!
Erica god I hope not.
Giving up 4 runs to an Indians lineup without Hafner, Sizemore, or Martinez is nothing to be proud of at all. Bad luck, umps, etc. aside.
Posada just sits there… I’m sick to my stomach!
“Pavano is going to throw a complete game shutout against us”
A shutout used to mean zero runs. The Yanks have 2.
Cy Pavano.
The Thief on pace for a complete game.
I believe that was the first time Posada and Pavano have ever met.
Not even Georgy can mess w/ Pavano’s groove today
he took his vitamins for this one
Jetah!!
Jeter called himself safe.
derek =safe
Redemption for Jeter! Loved the way he called himself safe!
Oh wow the BP?
jetah’s pissed after last inning. Im gunna be so upset if we lose by 1!
Thank god, get that bum outta there..
OMG what am I seeing a standing O for Carl. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that.
Wedge is gonna regret this move.
* STANDING OVATION CARL ! ”
Hey, you sure he was safe ump? Sure you don’t wanna call him out even though he was CLEARLY safe? I mean, there IS precedence.
Wow, this is interesting. Yanks need to take advantage and score against the bullpen now.
Ah- This is the part where the Yankees attack the stinky Cleveland bullpen and we are saved from the Pavana player of the game scenario.
At least Pavano won’t go the distance.
Wedge is definitely helping the Yankees out here. He’s giving the Yanks a huge opportunity here.
Pavano had their number.
Wedge just did us a huge favor taking Pavano out of the game. Enormous break for the Yankees.
Perez…I’ll take it. This isn’t 2007.
Come on Damon.
Is anyone else exceedingly confident when we have a runner on base and you know Tex is coming up? Complete opposite of what would happen in April
Prediction…
Damon will walk, tex will homer…5-4 yankees.
dang. TBS went to a commercial.
I wanted to see Carl pull a muscle tipping his cap.
Pavano out of the game is a good thing
.
I’d like to meet Pavano under the O’Neill banner. I’m a woman, but I’m sure I could kick his butt. I’ll give him another bruised buttock.
Tex redux?
Thanks for kind words, Trisha.
The sub tagline “Destiny Wears Pinstripes” is the headline from the Boston Globe in ’78, over a photo of Yaz with his head down.
Classic.
“It’s hopeless. You have traded your brain a set of Yankees rosary beads. Lemme know the next time Berroa does something useful. Light a candle for me”
What’s hopeless is that you are so stuck on yourself that you actually believe that your way is superior to that of the Yankee braintrust on this! Repeat after me: I am only a fan on a forum. I did not get the Yankees into first place this season. Therefore their plan of action pretty likely trumps mine every time even when the finite nature of my understanding does not allow me to expand my brain enough to take in possibilities beyond what I can figure on my lonesome!
Okay, now I’m done with this conversation. As Bod suggested, if you still have issues with this, take it up with the Yankee organization and tell them about how indefensible it is that they have Berroa on the 25-man roster!
Standing O for the King Midge. Cleveland is a funny place.
Pavano may have been pulled but his spirit still lingers that mound, Cleveland’s BP will not let this one slip away.
Vince May 31st, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Just a random observation:
If it was Andy Pettitte pitching today, and he threw 5 IP and gave up 4 runs, it would be: Oh wow, Andy was so gritty, and battled out there even when he didn’t have his best stuff. What a warrior.
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Yup
Quick question NON bb related.
I want to grill corn, I see 1000 different ways to do it on the net. Has anyone ever grilled corn before? If so how. Thanks
It is a travesty that Hughes is in the rotation ahead of Wang, assuming Wang is no longer injured, which he doesn’t appear to be. Wang has earned it, Hughes, whatever his talent, has not. End of story. Why they insist on this insult to Wang is inexcusable.
Happy Birthday, RS.
(if I’m remembering correctly)
Again, Jeter is laughing it up with the 1B. Hey, this is a war!! No friendly talk.
Shouldn’t Berroa be pinch hitting here? I mean there’s a lefty out there and all…..
captain showed up the ump there.
Damon!!
thanks damon. You were due
Now, we’re cooking!
Damon makes Wedge pay.
Alright, let’s get some magic going. Tex and Arod, make it happen!
Laura – Stay in 1st place together, strike out alone!
May 31st, 2009 at 3:06 pm
I’d like to meet Pavano under the O’Neill banner. I’m a woman, but I’m sure I could kick his butt. I’ll give him another bruised buttock.
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I’ll join you Laura. We’ll double team him and he won’t know what hit him!
I am more than excited to see Perez ruin Pavano’s potential win. Go Damon.
“I’d like to meet Pavano under the O’Neill banner. I’m a woman, but I’m sure I could kick his butt. I’ll give him another bruised buttock.”
Be careful he’s a womanizer
Don’t worry this is a tease, no way the Cleveland BP messes this one up.
get em home Tex
Nice move Wedge
Haha. Perez already out of the game? LOL
He has to deal with tex and arod…..Wang will get the win…
I love how the fans didn’t really clap for Pavano when he left the game. After 8 innings, 2 runs love it.
jennifer
May 31st, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Quick question NON bb related.
I want to grill corn, I see 1000 different ways to do it on the net. Has anyone ever grilled corn before? If so how. Thanks
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I do it all the time at the beach. Spread butter on the corn, wrap it in alumnium foil. Then place on the grill for like 5 minutes.
@ Laura. Jetes is Mr. congeniality, what can you say? Do any of the opposing players ever really hate him?
Carl Pavano pitched a decent game.
We are all witnesses.
“I’ll join you Laura. We’ll double team him and he won’t know what hit him!”
It will be on like Donkey Kong!
Wedge pulls a reverse Grady Little.
A-Rod: “Chances are, if Tex doesn’t get you, I will.”
“The sub tagline “Destiny Wears Pinstripes” is the headline from the Boston Globe in ‘78, over a photo of Yaz with his head down.
Classic.”
That actually gave me chills and caused me to choke up (and not on a bat!)
jen – I totally agree with you about the injuries. An injured butt??? But wouldn’t some nice karma be to see him not figure in the decision today or of course better still for the Yankees to win the game altogether and spoil his outing totally…
COME ON KARMA!!!!!
My pretend boyfriend comes through!
I think it is time for Wang to go back into the rotation…if Pettitte can make his next start. He has looked good his last 2 times out. Hughes needs to go to AAA and work on his secondary pitches. Today all he had was his fastball like he does in most starts. Maybe he would of limited the damage even more in that inning if he had other pitches to go to. Hughes was outstanding in a couple of starts but he needs his other pitches that he doesnt have often.
Erica- It only takes 5 min? How do you know when it is done?
Tex is a beast!
Hughes needs to fail in order to learn in the bigs. Yankee darling Andy Pettitte did not just come out at dominate at 23. Do you guys honestly think that all the major league scouts are wrong about Hughes? We need as many young guns as we can get.
“@ Laura. Jetes is Mr. congeniality, what can you say? Do any of the opposing players ever really hate him?
I know. The fans take this game a lot more seriously than the players do. They like each other and hang out together whereas I think that they should be in their hotel rooms stinking pins in voodoo dolls of Pukelis.
i think everyone wants Damon to be their pretend boyfriend. Hes so fun-loving.
“Has anyone ever grilled corn before? If so how. Thanks”
Get a chair, an intensely hot light and ask tough questions.
and what was that swing? oye
“Happy Birthday, RS.
(if I’m remembering correctly)”
Thanks!
Shocking that the Indians manager still has a job really. Why would anyone want to go to that bullpen? Idle’s last game vs. the Yanks he was in line to win and the Cleveland bullpen blew up, maybe the same thing will happen here.
Tex what are you swinging at. It takes Betancourt 20 minutes to throw a pitch.
P.S.: It’s also inexcusable that Joba is in the rotation ahead of a healthy Wang. And no, this is not part of the Joba-in-the-bullpen argument; he’s a starter. Wang is a bonafide starter who has won over 40 games in less than three seasons; Joba and Hughes have not. they will be, of course, but not ahead of Wang.
Yes, Tex. Let’s swing at something in the friggin’ dirt.
closer is history?
Time to bring out more of that bad bullpen…
““Has anyone ever grilled corn before? If so how. Thanks”
Get a chair, an intensely hot light and ask tough questions.”
That was most excellent. 5 stars.
wow…
3 pitchers for 2 batters
I told you guys Carl Pavano’s spirit still lingers that mound.
Fail
I usually think its endearing when Jeter talks to the opposing players. Youkilis, however, is the exception. I wish Jeter would trip him next time he’s running from 2nd to 3rd.
Betancourt out with a leg issue.
Are we catching a break here?
It should be a 3-0 count here…
now who?
wrap the corn in foil. put whatever you want on it and grill.
Yankees are going to win the game… Tex had to remind himself not to swing at bad pitches because..DUH!, alex is behind you.
Probably Wood, since Wedge wants to stop the sweep right here.
“Are we catching a break here?”
IDK, stoppages don’t fair well for the batter.
Make sure you turn the corn. Should only be on for about 30 mins .
Are we catching a break here?
I hope so, keep the train moving…unless Tex decides to jack another one outta there. That wouldn’t be bad.
Jennifer,
grill corn with just cleaning out the silk, then butter it and then pull up the shuck, wrap in foil and grill! yummy, can I come over?
If Hughes is subpar his next start, I think they should move Wang back into the rotation. A guy shouldn’t lose his spot in the rotation just because he got injured, especially a 2 time 19 game winner.
“Get a chair, an intensely hot light and ask tough questions.”
“That was most excellent. 5 stars.”
I AM L’ING MY A OFF!!!!!
That was hysterical!!!!
Irony: A player was injured in a game that Carl Pavano pitched, and that player was actually NOT Carl Pavano.
Baseball gods looking out for the team today.
Not only does Wedge take out pavano, but he burns through 2 MORE relief pitchers (2 of his best) getting no outs from them combined.
I would not be surprised at all if the Yankees pull this one out.
I was hoping the seagulls were going to come on the field and attack Pavano earlier…Herges is bad but has pitched good so far this season…
Wood hasn’t been that great this year.
Looks like its Herges.
I vote first pitch curve ball.
I also think that besides leaving Pavano in, Wedge should’ve left Perez in to face Teix, he’s been batting lefty all game, make him turn around then go get Betencourt for A-Rod.
jennifer
May 31st, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Erica- It only takes 5 min? How do you know when it is done?
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Sorry. I lied to you (I am blaming my fever). 15 minutes, turning the corn occasionally. You can test it out by gently removing the foil and the corn inside should be tender. Basically, some of the kernels will be brownish and thats a good indication of doneness.
Also completely remove the husks and all silk when you butter it
come on tex..
Come on Tex!!!
that’s fine, load them for AROD
Tex!!
I HEART TEX!!!!!!!
TEX COMES THROUGH!
THAT A BOY TEIX!!!!
And I was right with the first pitch curve ball to him lol
No win for Pavano. Woohoo!
yes!!!!!! Tex, you’re the beast!!!
HOW CLUTCH WAS THAT!!!!!!!!
Please stop showing Pavano
Damn Tex single handedly taking this game on his shoulders…Nice!!
Awwww. Does that mean Pavano can’t win?
The Yankees tie the game! The Yankees tie the game! The Yankees tie the game!
TIPPING MY HAT TO THE OPPC!
Tex earning that cheddar.
Is Tex just the man or what?
Man, Thank God we signed that guy!
this is turning out to be a very very nice sunday
Mark Teixeira, I love you more than you will ever know.
I love this A-Rod/Tex combo. Deadly.
HAHAHA. Look at Carl Pavano’s face. There goes your win you bastard.
So where are all the Tex haters? Told Ya he would hit!!
No win for the Thief!
MARK easily the player of the month for may.
bleepin, win it now A-Rod!
Go Tex!!!! Woohooo..No matter what happens in this game at least that loser doesn’t get the win.
ND for CP
trisha – OPPC member
May 31st, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Awwww. Does that mean Pavano can’t win?
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Just breaks your heart doesn’t it? hehehehehe
Tex gets it done!
Can I just say Herges looks more like an accountant than a MLB pitcher
Kevin: I would not say that the Yanks have not made some boneheaded moves and statements with/about Wang recently (despite the anything-the-Yankees-say/do-is-de-facto-correct mentality), *but* I do not fault them for not having already put Wang in the rotation.
Even if they’re the ones who hindered his comeback and possibly screwed it up, he still has to prove that he’s worthy of taking back his spot in the rotation. Which I believe he is now in the process of doing. If he continues as he’s been going the past couple days, he’ll do just that.
So if Wang isn’t starting soon, I’ll agree with you, but not quite yet.
NICE TEX!!
why pitch to A-Rod here??
MVP Texiera!!
who is gunna pull this off? alex or robbie?
Thanks Erica.
I love when managers completely overmanage and it comes back to bit them in the rear
Right now, I am so happy Cashman & the Yankees overbid for Tex.
Whose stupid idea was it to sign tex?? fire cashman.
Most likely pitching around Arod to pitch to 1 pitch out Cano…
“why pitch to A-Rod here??”
Didn’t you hear? He’s got a bad hip.
Stultus Magnus May 31st, 2009 at 3:20 pm
ND for CP
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Are you related to Carl? Or were you hoping for an L?
jennifer
May 31st, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Thanks Erica.
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Sure. I hope it comes out good!
Move the runner over…get em in Robbie.
obv uncluth a-roid cant come through!!!
Cano. Do this.
Need a clutch one from Robbie right here.
A-Rod clutch is all or nothing. Never seems to pick up a needed single…
ewe, that tobacco is so gross!
up to cano.don’t you know.
lets end it here.
pavanos face lol
Like I said days before we signed Tex.. this is his dream come true to wear pinstripes.. albeit he had a slow start.. but he has more than made up for that.
offense/defense – switch hitter — I find it very odd that Cash had to talk the Stein’s into signing him.. talk about the perfect fit.
However, I know a little inside info that Mark himself was pushing Boras for the Yanks all along
Chevy Player of the Game = Eric Wedge. Thanks for taking out the Idle.
I really want them to leave Wang in there. He deserves the chance to pitch the 8th.
Come on Girardi.
“Man, Thank God we signed that guy!”
That reminded me of the part in Billy Madison when Steve Buschemi shows up and shoots Eric in the butt with a rifle, and Billy says, “I sure am glad I called THAT guy”.
how old is that relief pitcher?
>Right now, I am so happy Cashman & the Yankees overbid for Tex.
The word is OUTBID. They OUTBID the Red Sox.
Arod needs to take his pitches when they are being careful with him…A lot of the time teams are willing to pitch around him and he swings at bad pitches…As Cano swings at another bad pitch..
Whoah, Cano’s gonna walk!
Nevermind
come on Robbie
As much as I do like Hughes though, Wang needs to be back in the rotation. Although CC, Wang, Burnett, Pettitte, Hughes; Joba -> Mo sounds fantastic…
Cano
Let HOPE Joe G don’t bring in ACE or Tomoko……
none of those pitches were in the zone.
damn cano? again, should be 5-4 right now
Oh well
“>Right now, I am so happy Cashman & the Yankees overbid for Tex.
The word is OUTBID. They OUTBID the Red Sox.”
Tex and his wife both never wanted to go to Boston. Sure we outbid Boston by what? 4 Mil was it? Uhm.. it was about dreams anyway.. Tex would’ve taken the redsox deal had it come from the Yankees.
Overbid, outbid…what’s a few million here and there. I don’t care it ain’t my $$$ =)
“Whoah, Cano’s gonna walk!”
Cano doesn’t do walks.
it would of been sweet to take the lead…2 ground balls to ss on 2 hitters pitches..rough..hopefully the bullpen keeps it here and we got a chance!
who’s gonna win it for us in the top of the 9th.
If this thing is tied going into the bottom of the ninth, do yanks still use wang?
Cano batting .193 in May!
Brendan
May 31st, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Chevy Player of the Game = Eric Wedge. Thanks for taking out the Idle.
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Hahaha- couldn’t have said it better myself
Cano turns into a pumpkin with men on base in big spots, it is unbelievable.
86w183 – let me say that I am having fun with you and my seeming flipness is really a function of me not getting too bent out of shape on the matter. I was a bit riled when I read Pete’s post on the topic of Berroa because I find that when he is on a mission about something it can be oppressive. But beyond that I will always say that I can see different sides to most issues and that my taking a particular stance is a function of finding the weight of the arguments more on one side than on the other. But it doesn’t mean that I don’t understand that there are points to be made on the other side of the issue also. (Which is why I didn’t go so far as to call you position “indefensible.”)
My overall position is that we’re all rooting for the same thing and that trumps everything else.
I feel better about Wang than anyone else in that pen.
out of curiosity if Tex had come around to score who would have been credited with his run the pitcher who started his AB or the pitcher who gave up the hit?
A Rod and Cano – full marks for stupid. The guy’s a junkballer, let’s try to pull it or really swing outside the zone not once but twice.
“Are you related to Carl? Or were you hoping for an L?”
It was sarcasm, that’s all. Poor Carl. An L would have been nice, but he was looking good.
“why pitch to A-Rod here??”
Because Cano is immortal. At least the count was 3-1. We were all witnesses to a historic moment.
melky to pinch hit for gardy.
Kay loves Pavano.
Wang not pitching to Cervelli anymore… oh noes!
kimoinsd
May 31st, 2009 at 3:26 pm
If this thing is tied going into the bottom of the ninth, do yanks still use wang?
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I don’t see why not. Technically, he is a starter conditioned to give a decent amount of innings.
I hate when Cano starts swinging at anything in sight…Players like Vlad who swing wildly know they can hit those pitches. I think Cano just swings at anything not knowing what he can hit. Some pitches he swings at there is no way he can hit them.
This is clearly Wang’s game to lose. He’s in there until MO is needed.
come on….wanger
Erica – no wedding? I joined up late and so only saw posts around the time and later than mine!
Wang has lost the strikezone.. getting balls up now!
i don’t trust coke.
Another eighth inning with a leadoff walk. Nothing new.
That’s the last thing you wanted to do, Wang…
Maybe Wang should get taken up. He threw more pitches up in the zone in that AB than he did in the previous two innings.
Proctor getting loose…. Lets go CMW get through this inning and get a win on a Kirk Gibson, I mean Hideki Matsui, bomb.
Tex is out shines Arod. What’s up with Cano?
A relief pitcher should be pitching the 8th inning not a work in progress starter. This move makes no sense…
Closed Circuit to Blogmaster Pete: Joe Mauer will be the American League Player of the Month for May…
Wang sitting so long has had some influence on him.
Austin update….
The nephew just got his second hit of the game, RBI single, to tie the game at 3.
3-3, BC-Army, bottom 7.
Careful Rachel. Clifford might get upset.
That’s what Cano does. Bad ball hitter? No. Bad ball taker. No. Bad ball out maker. Yes.
Pavano is getting his whole team injured.
This makes perfect sense. I hope he pitches the ninth too so he’s ready to start in five days
“Cano batting .193 in May!”
he most definitly is not..check again (.272)
78 Yanks
May 31st, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Cano turns into a pumpkin with men on base in big spots, it is unbelievable.
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Interesting comment, considering Cano is hitting .379 with RISP in May.
Coke should be in there…
By the way, I don’t know if Garko ever received his karma for calling the Yankees overly dramatic over the midges incident (making fun of the Yankee players when they were swatting the midges off their faces, etc.) when the little loser knew full well that the Tribe had some special potion made especially for them that they use to fight off the midges and the Yankees were using something like OFF!
Big strikeout!
trisha – OPPC member
May 31st, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Erica – no wedding? I joined up late and so only saw posts around the time and later than mine!
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No, I have been feeling like crap all weekend. I went to the doctor this morning and he told me my fever is too high and I have the flu and should not be out in public. And there is no way I should consider going to that wedding. I actually feel really terrible about it. I am possibly the worst friend ever, but the receptionist even said I was a walking mess.
SJ — Don’t tell me you guys are looking at extra innings!
Carl
May 31st, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Pavano is getting his whole team injured.
LMAOL
Another sacfly to move the runner,that’s how they got the lead before.
SJ, for some reason I thought you said the game yesterday was at BC so I didn’t bother watching it. DAMN!
GJ WANG!
EXHALE!
Hmm, what’s CMW’s ERA down to now?
Great Job By CMW!!!
5 scoreless innings for WANG
Wanger looks awesome, nasty sinker!
way to go Wang, I’d leave him in until the Yankees take the lead or he blows it. Time for him to show you what he’s got.
Hey Ralphie, TBS showed the stat! He hit .366 in April, .193 in May.. Take it up with them, just showing what they put up!
Wang era = 16.07
“What’s up with Cano?”
Really?? REALLY??? That is Cano. He swings at bad pitches. All of the time.
Wait, did you mean why did he have a count of 3-1?? Hmmm, I don’t know. It’s a mystery that is lost to the cosmos.
Wow- Wang’s ERA down to 16.07. Only like, 30 more scoreless innings and it might be respectible
Let’s give CMW a W!
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang!
“Coke should be in there…”
Um, why put in a guy that gives up runs every time he comes into the game? Wang is our best pitcher out the pen (besides Mo) at this point.
If AJ or CC went on the DL when they came back they wouldn’t lose there spot in the rotation..So why does Wang? Especially to someone who obviously needs to work on his secondary pitches? I hope they make a switch it is not right to Wang.
16.07 ERA for the Wanger!
So is Eric Wedge’s plan to use Kerry Wood for 13 innings??
Mauer in May: .7 homers, 22 RBI
Tex in May: 13 homers, 34 RBI
Wang’s ERA is dropping faster than a Kirstie Alley dress size.
From 34+ – all the way down to 16.07
So do you leave in Wang in the bottom of the 9th, or go to Coke?
Erica you are probably the best friend ever when it comes right down to it because just imagine you hugging your friend when you went through the reception line and her coming down with something on her honeymoon – not to mention all the people who would have been sitting at your table. And then think of how you could have made yourself a ton worse by going.
Even though the right thing isn’t always totally comfortable, you did the right thing.
Lets hand Kerry a L. Than hand it to Mo for the save.
Mauer is not POM for May, TEX has to be!
Josh Hamilton is out today with some sort of groin injury. I enjoyed his HR Derby performance last summer at the stadium, but I would not be upset if he had to sit out the series at the Stadium this week.
Nice work SJ!! Your nephews knees are going to be done before the draft at this rate!!
ESPN says Cano batting .282 coming into todays game for the month of May
DT – OPPC member (it’s in our blood) May 31st, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Wang’s ERA is dropping faster than a Kirstie Alley dress size.
From 34+ – all the way down to 16.07
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LOL too funny.
Ortiz in May: 1 homer, 6 RBI
BJK
May 31st, 2009 at 3:32 pm
78 Yanks
May 31st, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Cano turns into a pumpkin with men on base in big spots, it is unbelievable.
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Interesting comment, considering Cano is hitting .379 with RISP in May.
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Emotionally colored perceptions die hard.
I’m not sure if we’ll see Wang in the 9th, Girardi sorta implied that they would try to hold Wang back in case Andy can’t make his start. But who knows.
“A relief pitcher should be pitching the 8th inning not a work in progress starter. This move makes no sense…”
Why?
Wang only won 19 games in back-to-back seasons. He also is much sharper his last few outings. That’s obvious to anyone watching the games. Its tied and they are on the road. Wang should stay in the game until the end or until Mo comes in for the save.
Yeah I’d much rather see a “reliever” here. How about Veras? Tomko? Yeah. Exactly.
Wood can be wild.
Wang absolutely stays in for the 9th! No way Coke should see the mound…Wang is still in the “proving himself” stage, this a good time to do it
Are they contractually obligated to name the MVP of the game before the a certain time… why not wait til the game is over or at least out of reach. It’s a tied game for crying out loud.
Pena …. come on down
You have to PR for Matsui.
Pena pinch runs for Mats.
please PR this time GI Joe…
I called that matsui walked…
Yikes, DT, but I hope the drop in Wang’s ERA is a one-way trip.
Some just said “very Nice ab Matsui”.
no berroa???
lol jk
Andrew – it probably has something to do with the sponsor – they want it on before people see the final score and turn the game off
trisha – OPPC member
May 31st, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Erica you are probably the best friend ever when it comes right down to it because just imagine you hugging your friend when you went through the reception line and her coming down with something on her honeymoon – not to mention all the people who would have been sitting at your table. And then think of how you could have made yourself a ton worse by going.
Even though the right thing isn’t always totally comfortable, you did the right thing.
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Thanks for making me feel better. I really hope my friend sees it that way. I would have felt terrible if I infected the entire wedding and got her sick for the cruise.
But the other good news is that my doctor told me to skip work tomorrow too
No Berroa. So sad.
I don’t like Swish up here in this spot.
If I could design the end of the game it would happen this way: we would get a runner on first and then someone would hit a bullet to 1st and a swarm of midges would be flying into Garko’s face at the same time and he would miss the ball because he was overly dramatic at swatting at his face. Then the ball would keep on going into the corner in right and the person on first would score the go ahead run and Mo would close it out!
he might not be a good bunter, but he is swish and will get it done
Swish going deep…haters.
Cano has been 10x better than Swisher has
that is absolutely beautiful baseball
Deep bunt bam.
Wow Nice bunt by SWISH!!
Thanks Pete,Tex out shines AROD!!
DT’s posts: very, very funny.
“Mother Midge Blimp” definitely a keeper.
DT – OPPC member (it’s in our blood) May 31st, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Wang’s ERA is dropping faster than a Kirstie Alley dress size.
From 34+ – all the way down to 16.07
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LMAO.
Snoop Dogg says: SAC BIZZLE
told ya guys.
Swisher is a team player, and its those types of players that make a team go.
Great Job there Swish!!
Come on, Brett. Find some magic!
posada on deck. Im liking ths…
I’d like an inside park HR Brett.
Swish sacrificing so Gardner can drive him in. I don’t get it.
how was that a strike? Brett didn’t even watch it to catcher’s glove!
BG!!!
Beautiful GGBG hit.
wow!!!
That’s the magic I was talking about.
LOL
nice! we’ll take it!
HOO-LEE-COW
speedy gonzalez with an infield single
Laura: There’s your Brett-magic!
B e autiful.
“But the other good news is that my doctor told me to skip work tomorrow too.
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I like your attitude!
There is indeed a silver lining in every cloud.
Lets win it here…
comes down to posada!!
Wedge will be fired tonight.
Dear Man with no batting gloves.. Welcome back again, now please show off. thanks.
THAT is what Gardner needs to do a lot more often. Let’s do it Jorge’!
IF tied, Wang should pitch the ninth. IF Yanks up, maybe there’s a reliever to close it out…
wow has this been an awesome month
rconn23
May 31st, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Swish sacrificing so Gardner can drive him in. I don’t get it.
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My thought too, but we lucked out.
rconn23
May 31st, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Swish sacrificing so Gardner can drive him in. I don’t get it.
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2 shots with a RISP. Swisher is prone to the K, and a DP would of course be devastating.
so far we’ve beaten Nathan and Lidge twice (lost on of the games but he did blow the save) …. I’d like to add Wood to our list
a gaggle of seagulls?
The ump…
one**
wow ;(
NOOOOOOOO JORGE
that call was bogus
Terrible DP to rap in.
Why didn’t we steal 2B ?
now where would swisher learn how to bunt. not at oakland.
maybe it was his dad being a major league player teaching him as a kid.
Gardner should have been stealing during that sequence.. Now the DP really kills that rally!!
Snoop Dogg says: WHAT A CROCK OF SHIZZLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
why didn’t Gardner steal????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????/
that sucks, how many more opportunities are we going to get?
trisha – OPPC member
May 31st, 2009 at 3:42 pm
“But the other good news is that my doctor told me to skip work tomorrow too. ”
I like your attitude!
There is indeed a silver lining in every cloud.
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Haha. Thanks. I have been home pretty much since Friday night. By tomorrow night I should be full-blown stir crazy
wow Posada was running slow. Hope is he okay.
Why wasn’t Gardner going to prevent that? Seriously. The guy runs faster than anyone in the league, and a DP ends your rally, and you leave him standing on first? That makes no sense.
ok next inning we will lol …. Wang gonna keep going?? I hope so
joe sacfly to bring in run!!
Way to go Posada. Bottom 9 I’m scared.
should have stole gardner, avoid the DP
Damn
I thought for sure Gardner would be running on the 2-1 count…
its old news now but that 2-1 pitch to posada looked like a clear ball
And why didn’t BG steal 2nd?
Bummer…. key was 2-1 pitch four inches above the strike zone called a strike… that’s ok, one more for Wang, a run in the tenth and Mariano to close sounds like a plan.
Erica — is it ok with your Dr. if I stay home tomorrow too?
coke coming in
Coke is in.
Coke in. This isn’t going to end well.
“DT’s posts: very, very funny.”
His are “laugh out loud, and laugh more every time you think about it!” posts.
If they do not find a way to win this game, Gardner not stealing second base would be the difference in this game.
How can you not go in that spot? Just an incredibly dumb play. With a fast runner on third there is no way they will throw through, and it takes away the double play, which of course Posada just hit into.
If Gardner steals 2nd the infield is in and we are up 6-4 right now on that ground ball, but this team just STANDS THERE and it kills them.
They have nobody to blame but themselves. That is the game right there if Gardner steals it.
what? Coke???
Girardi bunts way too much for my liking and then Gardner was not going? Terrible job by Girardi.
That DP will proably cost us the game. Got to take your chances. The Yankees did not this time, and more often than not you will loose a game like this
why isnt mo pitching????
Oh man. Why not go with Wang for one more inning? He was doing fine.
We gon get walked off
Phil Coke?? Please explain this – on the road tied in the 9th you go to the closer, but if you’re not going to the closer why not leave CMW in??
Phil Coke is garbage.
gardner needs to steal to get out of the double play
Not feelin’ real good about Coke here. Just sayin’.
that’s so s…..d of Gardner not trying to steal second…. they won’t throw him out with a man on third….. with Jorge on the plate we all know he is a DP waiting to happen…. that is why Gardner will not be an everyday player…. he has no brains… all speed… no brain…. S..T..U..P…I..D!!!!!
Way to come through Jorge….it seems that the Yankees more often than not fail to get the runner home from 3rd with less than 1 out. Interesting that Girardi has gone to Coke instead of giving Wang a chance to keep going. Guess Girardi has evening plans.
That was just a bad inning all around. Gardner should have been running. Girardi also could have let Swisher swing, after Wood showed he wasn’t attacking the strike zone, and let Pena run.
I totally trust Coke, mainly because he has ice water in his veins. That and he is a very good pitcher.
“DT’s posts: very, very funny.”
His are “laugh out loud, and laugh more every time you think about it!” posts.
thank you, thank you.
Nick in SF is still the opening act.
I’m just here to warm up the audience.
Can’t give away outs with the bottom of the order coming up.
Not a good time to sacrifice. Now Coke has to keep the ball in the ballpark.
Anyone smell a bottle rocket from Coke ?
86w183
May 31st, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Erica—is it ok with your Dr. if I stay home tomorrow too?
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Sure, I will add your name to my doctor’s note
Because you want to use Mo in a savesituation if it happens
*Why leave a person on third with 1 out,in a tied game,why* ?
Joe went for it and got 2 more outs,to end the inning.
Phil Coke is 2nd worst pitch in MLB, after Veras.
dont walk him..
dont walk him..
I thought he said mo wasn’t available.
you cannot blame the bunt for that inning!! the non-steal of second and Jorge bouncing into the double play messed up that inning.
The bunt was absolutely beautiful baseball
Nice job Coke…Leadoff walks are cool.
WHERE IS WANG!?!?
How can you not steal 2nd with BG there?? Even if Shoppach wants to take the risk and throw down to 2nd odds are with Gardner’s speed he would be safe and Pena might even be able to sneak in home…. pure stupidity by Girardi… this ones on Joe if they lose this…. pure stupidity
How can you not steal 2nd with BG there?? Even if Shoppach wants to take the risk and throw down to 2nd odds are with Gardner’s speed he would be safe and Pena might even be able to sneak in home…. pure stupidity by Girardi… this ones on Joe if they lose this…. pure stupidity
PHIL COKE LOLLL WHAT A JOKE HE IS. THIS IS TERRIBLE
Idiots. Here’s how to bonk a winnable game:
(1) Should have had Gardner running on pitch No. 1 from Wood to Jorge. That’s ridiculous to even have the double play in effect. Gardner’s speed and Wood’s complete lack of ability to hold runners = stolen base.
(2) Wang now has a rhythm and should stay in. It’s not like he’s incapable of pitching more than three innings at a pop.
And now the Indians get a Coke and a smile . . .
Eerily similar to the Philly game where we blew our chance and Philly capitalized the next frame.
They should have left Wang in.
That’s garbage. He was going to throw a “lenghty” bullpen today if he didn’t pitch, according to Girardi. He had only thrown 43 pitches. Whjy take him out? He could pitch another inning or 2 and still start for Pettitte if needed and certainly for Hughes next turn if that’s what they decide to do.
Coke’s decent, but no need to make a move there.
And why the hell didn’t Gardner steal? That’s a head-scratcher.
Nice walk Coke.
“with Jorge on the plate we all know he is a DP waiting to happen…. that is why Gardner will not be an everyday player…. he has no brains… all speed… no brain”
1.) Jorge has hit over .400 with men on. How is that a DP waiting to happen?
2.) Players don’t always call their own game. If a coach tells you to stay put, you stay put. That had nothing to do with Gardner.
Leadoff walk.. Girardi looks a little sweaty in the dugout!
Somebody find me the real Phil Coke, the guy that came here last yr.
Leadoff walks score.
Coke walks the #9 hitter leading off the inning who has barely hit at any level. What a joke. You have to throw it over the plate and make him beat you to get on base.
Why is Chien Ming Wang not in this game right now? Girardi’s decisions are just astoundingly dumb.
where’s MO???
You don’t leave Wang in, because you don’t know if Pettitte can pitch wednesday. Wang threw 42 pitches, which is roughly what he’d throw in a side session, which was supposed to be today. That’s why he’s out of the game.
“That was just a bad inning all around. Gardner should have been running. Girardi also could have let Swisher swing, after Wood showed he wasn’t attacking the strike zone, and let Pena run.”
Swisher strikes out too much for him to be swinging away in that spot. The bunt was a good play. I would have had Gardner run since Posada is as fast as a turtle with a walker pulling a car behind him.
how is Girardi going to find out what Wang is really made of now if he can’t put him in the 9th?
We gon’ get walked offed.
I hate you Phil Coke
Did someone say they have trust in Coke because he has ice in his veins??? Or is it because he only has a 4.5 ERA? Coke, like the rest of our pen, have failed to do the job. Walking the first batter is a great start. Game will be over in a few minutes.
AD – as a total aside, John Danks has seen his last day on my fantasty team. That I lay right at the feet of the Answer Guys who just couldn’t understand why someone in my fantasy league had dropped him. Understand indeed!
and yeah I’m an idiot, home tied you go to the closer, road tied you save him.
But still think CMW should still be in
Keep Robertson in the pen, he might throw strikes
Girardi will pay for it.
Wang was rolling. I don’t understand why Girardi just didn’t leave him in until Yanks get the lead and then go with Mo?! It’s not like Wang is on a pitch count is he?
Pettitte can go for his next start, that shouldn’t be the reason for sitting Wanger for the 9th
vb03 (Gehrig to Gardner: Memoirs of a Utility IF) May 31st, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Leadoff walks score.
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Do they? Did Matsui score?
come on Coke
DT: you’re too kind, but who’s the headliner? The typo comic??
I also think you don’t leave Wang in because you don’t want to set him up for possible failure and have him go into a mental tailspin. JMO
Come on Coke strike him out! let him bunt!
Can Coke just throw a strike and let him bunt, hoping it goes foul?
Can Coke just throw a strike and let him bunt, hoping it goes foul?
Wang should definitely be in…these guys need to learn how to throw strikes. It’s embarrassing.
Uh Oh the beast is up
thank God Girardi is getting Coke off mound
I know the old axiom no closer in tie game on road. But Mo needs to build up arm strength. Did not pitch yesterday. So NO reason not to use him here. NONE.
Why was Coke out there again?
No Ace?
“vb03 (Gehrig to Gardner: Memoirs of a Utility IF) May 31st, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Leadoff walks score.
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Do they? Did Matsui score?”
Nope. He ended up in the dugout, pulled for a pinch runner.
Brilliant job by Girardi. He assisted with another loss.
Kind of reminds me of the Philly game last Sunday. Tie the score late. And missed opportunities back to back innings.
Should’ve started Wang this inning. Or at least Mo.. Now you put him in with a guy on 2nd and 1 out? Confusing!
bad move taking wang out.
also gardner should of stolen 2nd then sacrifice him to 3rd.
good chance we win.
i do not like sacrificing from 1st to 2nd but it is a good idea from 2nd to 3rd.
then you have a runner on 3rd with one out.
have to play the odds
I hate when the manager pretends that he has an individual managing style. Girrardi was touted as not being a station to station manager. We were led to believe that he will manage the Yankees with a N.L. flare. What good is it to have speed on the team when he is going to be the lead in a D.P. That was almost as bad a managing job as Wedge taking the thief out.
Here is where we loose the game. I dont want to see Coke anymore, please.
“Pettitte can go for his next start, that shouldn’t be the reason for sitting Wanger for the 9th”
It is if he’s not 100% sure that Andy is okay for his next start. Andy is going to say he’s OK regardless; he wants the ball. What if he starts the game, but can’t finish it? This way, Wang can come into that game. I’m not sure that’s why, but it’s a good guess. Joe will address it in the post game comments.
Robertson needs to get the IEDP!!!
Can anyone give me a good reason why Gardner was not stealing? I really don’t understand it
I swear, if we lose this game because of Ben G.D. F’ing Francisco, so help me God…
Why didn’t Girardi bring Mo in? he hasn’t pitched much lately and the top of the line-up was due up for the Yanks in the 10th. Bonehead move.
*hey guys – the line between genius and idiot is all in the execution*
So why not wait to see if you really have something to worry and complain about. If you do, then go to town. But if it ends up being good for the Yankees, then you really do look like dopes.
Just sayin’
Good to see all the whiners are back out. I was beginning to get worried about you guys.
Come on Robertson.. Tough spot for him.
Wheeeeeeu… we survived the coke onslaught.
Big spot for Robertson.
Well to be honest these are the type of games we do lose
Robertson needs to pitch his a$$ off to make up for Girardi’s bad coaching decision by putting Coke in.
“DT: you’re too kind, but who’s the headliner? The typo comic??”
The Typo comic comes on at 4 pm for the old people early dinner crowd. Right after his nap…
This is the reason for supporters (at least myself) of Joba to the pen. The man has PROVEN he can pitch in there. What has happened these past few years as guys have had periods of success, and then fell apart? A proven bullpen arm is a rare commodity.
The Tribe knows sacfly works,2 of their tuns on the board are the result,with 1 or no outs.
can we let this game play out before we crucify girardi…there is not pleasing some people…
take wang out=ARE YOU CRAZY
leave wang in=OMG HES STILL BUILDING ARM STRENGTH
bring coke= WTH HE CANT GET OUTS
bring Mo= YOUR OVERWORKING HIM
No mo= he needs work!
Laura,
this is more of a pressure situation, and can gage more of what you have in Wang today leaving him in…However if Pettitte starts and can’t go 5 or 6 innings, you always have Aceves to go to in that situation
Joe G really is not all that clever with using the BP.. I have a giant “WHAT THE HECK” for him right now..
I also agree, why was BeeG not running?
“So NO reason not to use [Mo] here. NONE.”
How about that he would pitch the bottom of the inning if the Yanks get a lead? Maybe you think that’s an insufficient reason, but it’s still a reason.
terrible managing by girardi.
coke gets to rattled,wang is out to prove something.
Robertson can’t locate.
Robertson come on!
Robertson setting up the DP.
oh gosh, throw a bleepin strike please!
Hes scared imo.
i actually like that walk. at least now we can get a d.p. the runner on first is irrelevant.
Realists…Girardi has been a terrible manager for his entire Yankee stint. He has mismanaged the bullpen as bad as can be. Don’t let the fact that every hitter has been hot lately deceive you.
Meanwhile – perfect time to reiterate that we have no pen! And the fact that Wang looks like he might be ready to return to being a starter.
And the fact that Hughes belongs in the rotation.
What does that equal….JOBA TO THE PEN!!!
I know! That walk was only to set up the double play
when is marte coming back??
Robertson looks awful today. I don’t like pointing that out, but he does.
Which is more likely to happen first? The Yankees find a reliever who throws strikes, or a new invention allows us to clone Mo?
I really don’t want to hear Francessa tomorrow, whining that the Yankees need Joba in the bullpen.
Dear GIDP deity, I must worship u now.. please make up for the blown call by the 1B ump on Jeter..
Dear pitching deity, please calm this boy down.
k, thnx.
God damn it. Mo and Aceves. That’s it? Those are the only guys we can trust?
“Brilliant job by Girardi. He assisted with another loss.”
Evan D, this is the kind of post that should be saved for the end of the game and pulled out at that point if it is relevant.
Talk about player development all you want…we have the pieces to win this year…let’s do it!
Joba would fix our weakness.
that’s not a strike? wow!
“What does that equal….JOBA TO THE PEN!!!”
It’s Mike Francessa! How was Yuse today? Don’t sip too much of that Diet Coke now.
WHY WOULD YOU TAKE OUT WANG?
The Yankees bullpen BEATS ITSELF. Plain and simple. How can you walk the leadoff guy and continue to fall behind every hitter. THROW STRIKES.
awesome strike to ball ratio
omfg! can somebody give me an update on marte and his status, not like he would help in the bullpen anyways
No please walk him David
“when is marte coming back??”
They don’t even talk about Marte. It’s almost like he’s not on the team.
Remember the No Fear t-shirts. The BP needs some.
Behind in the count again.
Do. Not. Walk. Him. Please.
Haven’t been on a game thread in quite some time due to the quality of th posts. Thought I’d check back in and, sure enough, same old / same old going on.
Trish fighting with people. Whining about the lineup. Video game trade suggestions and moves.
I miss the 2007 game threads.
Bottom line: Never should have happened. Score should’ve been 5-4, and Mo should have been pitching the 9th. Period.
game over!
Game over.
PATHETIC!
It’s relevant. Girardi using this atrocious bullpen instead of Wang is a big mistake. Everyone knows Pettitte is making his next start.
And Robertson/Coke tandem is not gonna get it done.
that’s all on Girardi!!! sorry, but it is
UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH……………………….
Hang Joe G now please.
Trish…I think this is relevant now:
“Brilliant job by Girardi. He assisted with another loss.”
Fail lol
Okay guys, now you can have at.
I’m outta here!
I would actually rather the walk off hit, then another walk
no screw that.
Phil Coke is a joke
Nice to know we weren’t guarding against the lines.
Sorry but that is just ridiculous. Girardi gave the game away. He gets way to much praise.
For all us whiners.. Look at the final score and you can see there is alot of reasons to be whining!! Nice Job Girardi!!
Veras such a bad influence ……..
Again…
Leadoff walks score. Except for the Yankees.
Top of the 10th for the yankees is scheduled to be jeter, damon and Tex.
Tex is the hottest player in the game.
But instead of putting Mo in the game to give the top of the line up a shot Girardi decides to continue the proud tradition of conventional wisdom and not put his closer into the game with the score tied.
Why he took out Wang – no idea.
To not give tex another at bat in this game is inexcusable.
The days where there was this idea that Joe Girardi was going to be an innovative, “out of the box” manager seem like a long time ago.
Too bad. The important thing is that we all have complete confidence that Girardi made all the correct moves. He is the Yankee manager, so how could it be otherwise?
At least they didn’t make an error.
Darn it
This games shows you the weaknesess of this team:
1. No bench rigth now
2. Horrible bullpen: Guys like Coke, Tomko, Veras, Robertson is just useless.
Its brutal
Bummer that a blown call at first cost us a run and maybe the game.
Nice try Al.
If the Yankees lose this game,Joe needs his *head busted* open *to the white meat shows* ,because of having POSADA not hit a sacfly with 1 out!!!
the loss falls on girardi.
Phil coke? he’s so overrated its comical. What good has he done?
THIS BULLPEN S-U-C-K-S SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!
well that sucks …. win the series tomorrow. We really need to throw strikes from the BP.
At least CMW pitched great
good job pen…no Mo? Wang?
retarded managerial decisions made this game longer than it should’ve been.
I don’t know what else the bullpen has to do to prove to Girardi that they can’t throw strikes…. and then you look at Wanger sitting in the dugout – is this not common sense?
terrible loss…go out there and win it tomorrow
the indians could smell blood and robertson was the meat and he knew it. pure fear.
that was a give away game.
it happens.
Does the OPPC club have anything to add to this ridiculous ending that Girardi screwed us on?? Please impress me!
I called it!!!!!!!!!
leadoff walk sighs.
What the hell is wrong with this bullpen no one can throw a freaking strike its like a dieases that spreads
Hey Phil. We haven’t missed you at all! Next time be more of a stranger.
See ya now
“UPDATE, 3:50 p.m.: Walking the No. 9 hitter in Cleveland’s lineup today is not exactly what you’re looking for out of Phil Coke. Matter of time here.”
Pete called it.
No sweep. Tomorrow is another day.
I am going to pass out now (I was up all night coughing). Enjoy the rest of the day everyone!
The Yankee bullpen (not Mo) has given up at least 1 run in almost every inning int he past few weeks. Thankfully our starters have been doing the job and the offense has been fantastic.
How could you have any faith in the pen at this point? You like Veras/Coke/Robertson/Tomko…and Marte when he comes back. Face it, Bruney has been hurt the past 2 years and there is no reason why we can trust him in the future.
Then you’ll have the morons who think Cashman will make a trade for a reliever – like he did last year with Marte. How did that work out?
Face it people – we all need to unify and call for Joba to return and save us. We have the right pieces – we just need them in the right spots!!
its all good… Yanks still have a chance to go 5-2 on the road trip. Plus, Joba has a chance to redeem himself.
Ah well, should coulda, but not scoring more runs off of Pavano and Jorge’s DP killed it today. Would have been a nice win to come back from again. Can’t win em all though. Tomorrow a win, take 3 of 4 and a good series.
Hey,
after the first two games of the series, me talking SO much smack at last night’s game, dancing in the aisles, and just being completly ridiculous
Not to mention the Cavs getting embarrased…
let the city of Cleveland enjoy this walk off. In the meantime we’ll take 3/4 tomorrow and theyll still be in the cellar.
Please don’t read too much into this loss.
Stupid Giradi should of left Wang in the game, loss goes to the manager…
Coke = Back to AAA
Coke has definitely lost some of his new car smell. But Veras is the low man on that totem pole.
YANKEES BLEW IT BIG TIME. ENTIRELY THE RESULT OF NOT THROWING STRIKES.
These are the kinds of losses you KICK YOURSELF for in August and September when you are fighting for a playoff spot.
Pathetic performance today. You have a runner at 3rd, less than 2 outs in the 9th and you can’t get him in. Then you walk a joke of a hitter leading off, fall behind with runners on base, and you give up a hit from falling behind in the count.
This is just as bad as the Phillies loss, maybe even worse. YOU HAVE TO FINISH TEAMS OFF WHEN YOU COME BACK AND GRAB BACK MOMENTUM. The Yankees come back, and then choke for 2 or 3 innings, giving the other team the belief that they can win, and they do.
It is NOT good enough to “come back” and show “heart” if you LOSE THE DAMN GAME. What does it matter if you can’t complete it? The Yankees had a runner at 2nd, no outs in the first, didn’t score him. Runner at 3rd, 1 out in the 9th, didn’t score him. Runner at 2nd, 1 out in the 7th after they came back with 4 and 5 coming up, they couldn’t hit the ball out of the infield.
The Yankees have only THEMSELVES to blame for this loss. The Indians are a TERRIBLE TEAM. YOU CANNOT GIVE THEM ANY HOPE.
Games not over. The Indians just tied it. Jeter was safe by two feet. Tex’s HR should have had an additional RBI.
North,
the bullpen shouldn’t have even been a factor in this game, plain and simple….leave Wang in until you get a lead, then bring in Mo….Girardi doesn’t have to use the bums in the ‘pen, period – end of story or should I say (game).
Im sorry but this proves my point that Girardi doesnt know how to manage. He doesnt steal with Gardner, takes Wang out for no reason then uses Robertson when you couldve tried to use MO and hope we can get a run in the 10th and use him again. Girardi is horrible and we have games because we have made it easy for him not to be able to make mistakes. But when it comes time to make moves or choices he doesnt know what he is doing. Way to go Joe
Im sorry but this proves my point that Girardi doesnt know how to manage. He doesnt steal with Gardner, takes Wang out for no reason then uses Robertson when you couldve tried to use MO and hope we can get a run in the 10th and use him again. Girardi is horrible and we have games because we have made it easy for him not to be able to make mistakes. But when it comes time to make moves or choices he doesnt know what he is doing. Way to go Joe
Very well put CB.
Absolutely ridiculous that a manager can’t stand up to the stupid conventions.
I lost a lot of respect for Girardi today.
What’s the point of saving your closer for a lead if you can’t even get far enough for the lead?
Another point: you can say that if they put in Mo, and score a run in the 10th, then you get the same bad bullpen in there who can blow it.
There’s a big difference though.
With youngsters like Coke and Robertson, it is infinitely easier to pitch with a 1-run lead then in a sudden-death tie game situation.
Who agrees?
at least Tex was player of the game…
How is Gardner not in motion with Posada at the plate? Why didn’t A-Rod guard the line? FAIL FAIL FAIL. You bring in Coke to walk a guy! Man this team is good, but it should not even be mentioned with the number “27″.
“Face it people – we all need to unify and call for Joba to return and save us. We have the right pieces – we just need them in the right spots!!:”
And on this insane note, I’m outta here. Enjoy your day!
Wang should have been in the game. He is a starting pitcher. He only threw 42 pitches.
Walks and being behind in the count kill you every time. That was the undoing again today. They need to find enough guys willing to throw strikes. I like Robertson, but he has a lot left to be desired during his time up this year.
Pete.
Make sure you ask Girardi what he is thinking when he is making these decisions. What a MORON.
Coke and Robertson were awful, but for the second time in a week, our inability to manufacture a run in the late innings cost us a win.
I hope someone in the postgame asks Girardi about all his questionable moves, ie. taking Wang out, not having Gardner steal.
This team has been hot, but there is not one reliever other than Mo and possibly Aceves you can trust.
Winnable game. The bullpen will continue to be an Achilles Heel for this team.
Hey Dr. Cox was that you that ran out on the field yesterday?
Couple of things:
- Arod can’t go to his right (any other 3B would’ve made that play)
- Our BP SUCKS!
- Joe G. Does not know how to manage.
- 1B should be roshambo’d south park style.
our real bullpen is such trash.
coke, veras, robertson, and the rest of the rotating door.
Even with the team playing great Girardi still finds a way to lose us a game here and there. Taking Wang out of the game was a complete joke. First you have already insulted this guy based on his track record. He should already be back in the rotation, he’s healthy and his velocity and movement are obviously there. What had he thrown, 2 or 3 innings? What was one more? The dude is a starter, he can handle it. But nah, because Girardi is a slave to the L/R matchup in baseball he ignores the fact Wang is actually a starter, and treats him like a reliever who can’t get switch hitters out. So he goes to crappy Phil Coke, because there are 2 switch hitters to begin the inning. And Coke with a leadoff walk. As soon as I saw Phil out there instead of Wang, I knew it was over. You really hate to see them lose a game like this they could have won because of a poor manager’s decision. Eric Wedge got away with his bad choices, Girardi didn’t. Also we blew some opportunities, clearly, to take the lead. Tough loss.
What a terrible game to lose. But it NEVER should of got that far. Against Wood Gardner has to steal 2nd base. He is on this roster for his speed. He needs to steal 2nd in that spot, there is no excuse for him not to. Also Arod should of had that ball down the line, in the late innings you have to play on the line. There is no way that should of been a hit. Another game that they lose while Mo sits in the bullpen.
Girardi will continue to hold this team back.
What a joke that Gardner did not attempt to steal.
Robertson looked scared – i hope he is on the next shuttle back to Scranton.
How long did Wang pitch? I got the game on in the 8th when we tied it up and long enough to see the terrible job by Girardi in the 9th and w/ the pen.
Glad to see that those who wanted Torre out realize the grass ain’t always greener….
Cash has to make a move soon there is no one in this bullpen or minors that is any good
I’m not going to whine and moan too much, we are playing very well and no one can win every game; we as Yanks fans expect it, I know, but not possible.
we’ll be fine, Girardi, not self-admittingly, is still learning managerial skills too, I just hope he learned today!!
This game is a second guessers dream come true and the last taste before the next wave of sports talk radio. It will sound ugly today.
But hey we tied the Blowsox for the errorless game streak.
100% right…while the Yanks have a ton of promise this year Girardi will only serve to hurt us down the stretch. I know the Yanks are in first place but I also know the Red Sox beat us 5/5 this year. And assuming we make the playoffs we will be playing good teams – not the Indians.
Girardi needs to learn how to trust the people who perform this year – not the ones from last year.
And we need to do something about this bullpen. Aside from the fact that Joba COULD be an ace in the future what reasons are there not to let him be a force in the 7th/8th this year???
I owuld have had Gardner running for sure. Cleveland was on its heels so why not add some pressure? Worst case scenario Jorge can still take the lead with a hit.
Would have kept Wang in… and that’s not second guessing, I posted before the pitching change. Need to see how he looks in inning number four. No way Mariano should come in a tie gameon the road, that’s just dumb.
Impossible to figure the inability of relievers to throw strikes. It’s a friggin’ epidemic.
How did Berroa do today?
I am now joining the Joba to the bullpen movement for the rest of this season after that brilliant display of pitching. How can you have a bullpen that is this bad and win a championship? Simple answer: YOU CAN’T!!!!! If Joba were in there this probably does not happen at all.
When the hell will Joe learn to play small ball to bring in run?
The game would be tied 5-5 with a sacfly,2 out then Jeter was up,sad just sad.
He over-managed that last game in KC in April. Didn’t start the runners last Sunday against Philly.
Brings in Coke with no lefty’s due up. I would have just kept Wang in with a shaky pen.
“The bullpen will continue to be an Achilles Heel for this team.”
Until they put you know who back in the bullpen.
I guess the bloom is off the Robertson rose….
Wang is our best reliever out of the pen, he should NOT have been taken out.
I dont like coke….i’m switching to diet pepsi.
But hey we tied the Blowsox for the errorless game streak. We should get their names out of the record book wherever we can.
Jordan,
I agree with you. This is where the concept of “closer” makes no sense. I think if you’re going to lose, you better lose with your best players. Letting Coke and Robertson blow the game with Mo sitting on the bench makes no sense. What if Mo pitches a scoreless inning and the Yankees score 3 runs against Vizcaino in the 10th? I’d take that chance rather than hope for a scoreless inning from Coke/Robertson.
What a bonk.
The players deserved better in this one than to have two moronic managerial decisions cost them the game. Not having Gardner steal in the 9th and bringing in Coke. This is a season-long race with the Sawx, Rays (they’ll be back) and maybe the Jays, and Girardi treats the game like it’s worth losing.
I was a big Torre detractor in 2005-06, but one thing you could never deny was that he managed each game for the win as if he had little margin for error. And that’s how the team made the playoffs in ’05 with Small, Chacon and an untested CMW in the rotation.
I hope the NY media is really putting Girardi to the wall with their questions for the post game show
Not winning anything with this bullpen.
Hope Cashman realizes that.
Funny, Kay blasted Wedge for taking out Pavano too early, which was, in fact, a bad move, and yet it was Girardi’s moves, or should I say lack thereof (not running Gardner, not leaving Wang in the game) that resulted in a loss.
This one’s on the manager.
Tough loss, hopefully it doesn’t lead to a losing streak. You’ve got to question some of the calls, though. Why didn’t Wang come out to pitch a 4th inning? He only had 42 pitches through 3. If they want to eventually get him back to starting if they need him to, how is continually pitching 3 innings going to do anything. This was the perfect time to stretch him out a little more and let him get more pitches in. And it’s not like he wasn’t pitching well.
Second of all, why the hell wasn’t Gardner running with 1st and 3rd in the 9th. It’s not even a second guess, I was waiting for a steal before the double play. It’s expected that almost everyone would steal 2nd there to avoid the DP, and with Gardner it should be a no-brainer. You’ve got to wonder what was going on there. It must be Girardi’s fault for not sending him. Thoughts?
It’s also pretty obvious that I would agree with the people saying Gardner should have stolen. With Wood’s high leg kick and Shoppach’s slow delivery to second, a steal of second would have been all but certain for Brett. Even the 1st pitch was a slider in the dirt, he would have made it without a throw. Clearly he should be given the steal sign in that situation. If he’s not he needs to understand he’s one of the fastest people in the game, and without Jorge being a double play candidate, take second. Put pressure on the defense and force them to make a decision, maybe the catcher doesn’t end up even throwing for whatever reason. Weak play by the Yanks at the end of a winnable game…
Vey – your first comment I thought you were joking but I guess not. Do you think that there’s a sign for sac fly?? Of course Jorge was trying to hit a ball in the air, it didn’t happen. Kerry Wood happens to be a very good pitcher and got Jorge to hit into the double play…. You can blame Girardi for not stealing 2nd with Gardner, but to blame Girardi for Jorge hitting a ground ball is beyond ridiculous.
Note to the jumpers: We’re in first place.
This is a game in May… you want Mariano pitching 2 innings on the road?
The key in this game was the decision not to have Gardner steal second base. Posada’s grounder then scores a run, Mo comes in, and no one has to talk about the BP. Having said that, though, it was a bad decision to pull Wang as well, if for no other reason than building his pitch count.
That last post by “C”, though, is pathetic; fans of Mark Melancon will want his head.
sucks that our BP is so bad that the only option is to put Joba in the BP… that’s not Joba’s fault he deserves his spot as a starter… but we can’t keep losing because of the BP..
that’s all I am saying.. you need to find a BP now.. if not you have no choice but to put joba in.. or well, unless you enjoy these type of losses.
Girardi over-managing again by taking Wang out. Like anybody besides Mo in the pen could do better. Coke has been brutal lately.
This one’s on Girardi. Hope he doesn’t do this kind of s**t in the post-season…
Nick in SF. It is irrelevant to say wait until Yanks get lead to use MO. Unless we got them out here, 10th is irrelevant. and so it is. And this is not an overused Mo. In fact, it is a Mo who Genius Joe says needs to build up arm strength. And he did not pitch yesterday. As I said, there was no reason not to use Mo there.
That had to be the WORST managing I’ve seen in MANY YEARS!
WHY IN GOD’S NAME WOULD GIRARD NOT LET GARNER STEAL SECOND!?? Absolute NO LOGIC not to steal the base!
Don’t give me that crap that it would take away the hole between 1st and 2nd. Or that they would then walk Jorge to load the bases for Jeter. Sounds like a good thing to me!
Just terrible game management in my mind!
Guys like Jose Veras needs to Go
“Hey Dr. Cox was that you that ran out on the field yesterday?”
Hahaha, no that wasn’t me but it was actually a friend of a friend.
It was the worst field running ever, all he did was run out there wave his little Indian towel and then run right over to the cops.
Ive seen MUCH better ones at the old stadium.
Can anyone in the pen throw strikes?
Good to see everyone crawled out of their holes. We were worried about you. Nothing to ‘itch and moan about for a few weeks. Than one loss and you pop your heads back out.
you can blame girardi all you want..he def made some questionable calls today but the bottom line is the players didnt produce
yanks got screwed on some calls but they were one lazy fly ball by posada away from mo closing it out…this game should of been won
“How did Berroa do today?”
He didn’t make an error, so he helped the team in tying the ML error-less record.
Also, he filled in admirably when the bat boy had to use the bathroom.
“I am now joining the Joba to the bullpen movement for the rest of this season after that brilliant display of pitching.”
This is such a short sighted argument.
If Joba had been in the pen today he would have most likely pitched the 8th inning as it was. He wouldn’t even necessarily been available to pitch the 9th.
This game was lost because Posada couldn’t get the ball out of the infield – just an awful at bat and because of Girardi’s bizarre decision making.
Why take Wang out of the game – there really has to be a very, very good reason.
Why not pitch Mo in the 9th?
There was simply no reason to have Coke pitch the 9th.
That’s entirely on the manager. He chose to take Wang out of the game. He chose to no use Mo.
Having Joba in the pen doesn’t improve the manager’s decision making process. It doesn’t make Posada execute an at bat properly.
Joba to the pen is not some form of team salvation.
Girardi will say
“I thought Cokey threw the ball well for us today”.
On a positive note: Pavano got the ND and Wang pitched great. Hughes did a good job also.
Ralphie if he sends Gardner we have a 1 run lead with Mo on the mound.
Really bad loss against a totally depleted last place Cleveland team. Other then Tex, no hitting in the clutch. This bullpen is going to keep being an Achilles heel. Veras is garbage, Coke is erratic, and Robertson has that deer-in-the-headlights look to him.
*Before you jump on the Joba to the bull pen wave* ,remember he had a very modified schedule,every inning pitched a day off. He wasn’t used everyday.
CB – You’re complaining for the sake of complaining
Iswaha, Pete never asks tough questions to Girardi.
Coke in with no lefty’s up was odd move.
Very, very winnable game here. Posada and Girardi are the goats today. Hopefully Joba is great tomorrow and with this pen we need 7.
You cannot use your closer int hat situation because you need him to “close” assuming you can score. But the Yankees don’t ghave anyone in the pen. Who is our 6th/7th/8th inning guy?
You have Coke – a decent lefty. Robertson – a promising young pitcher who just needs to learn to throw strikes. Veras – horrific pitcher who should only be used in mop up duty. Aceves – good but Girardi has no clue how to use him (one day he comes in when Yanks up 11-0, the next day he pitches in middle relief). Marte stinks and Bruney is always hurt.
What will be in the stretch run towards playoffs when offense isn’t clicking like it is now when everyone is hot???
JOBA TO THE PEN solves all of this! We have 5 starters and can use Aceves to make a spot start later on anyway. Joba has an innings limit also and would likely not be available in September if he keeps up as a starter.
You guys are 100% correct, yes we are in first place but theres no way with Joe Girardi as the manager of this team will be win the East or any championship with him making tough choices. He can not and has not shown he can make good choices in close games. Ive said this before and Ill say it again there is a reason Flordia got rid of him. To me he is not a smart baseball guy. I know people will say we are in 1st but we are very talented and Joe hasnt had to make choices every game, when he has to they are the wrong ones. Time to start ripping him, everyone is healthy and no more excuses for JOE
What manager in MLB uses his closer in a tie game on the road?
Why pitch Mo 2 innings and that’s if we got the lead. The BP sucks. Joe is slow for not sending Gardner.
Joba might be great tomorrow but probably only for 6 innings if that much. Then what??? Back to the pen!
I am now joining the Joba to the bullpen movement for the rest of this season after that brilliant display of pitching. How can you have a bullpen that is this bad and win a championship? Simple answer: YOU CAN’T!!!!! If Joba were in there this probably does not happen at all.
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OK, this blog is about to become unbearable to read for the next few hours. Have a good Sunday, all.
We lose to a last place Cleveland team with no Sizemore, Hafner, or Martinez in a lineup
Disgraceful.
Until they get that bullpen straightened out, the Yankees will struggle when their offense is not clicking. I don’t see them winning many 1-0, 2-1 games. Why? Simple, their bullpen cannot hold a lead. It is a long wait until they get to Rivera, and he can’t do it all the time.
The weakness of the bullpen will cost the Yankees in the end.
“Ralphie if he sends Gardner we have a 1 run lead with Mo on the mound.”
that is not a certainty but i understand your point…mine still stands though
Hey Jennifer — In case you haven’t been watching, this bullpen is something to moan about.
Ok, I’m ready, let’s find a way to slot in Wang, even if it is 6 starters once through the rotation.
I may repost this every time it comes up (I won’t for the sake of everyone else). But here it is, the best post in the history of the blog, as written by BJK:
Are you a “Joba to the bullpen” fan? If so, you may have the following symptoms:
1) 98-99 MPH FASTBALL FASCINATION: JTTBF fans miss the explosiveness of his hard stuff. As long as Joba is throwing 93-95 (as in, not like his last start…), he has proven he can be just as successful. But JTTB fans want to be entertained, and they miss their “ooh and ahhh” moments. Example: “So what if he strikes out 12 Red Sox in one game? I want that mitt to pop!”
2) IMPATIENCE: Products of the internet/immediate satisfaction era, JTTB fans want results NOW. Young pitchers are not allowed to struggle and/or learn in NY. Example: “If you can’t be dominant right away, get off my mound, go to a small market team, develop there and we’ll re-sign you when you’re a free agent for a ton of cash during or perhaps even after your peak years. As a result, I will wonder why our payroll is so high.”
3) SHORT MEMORIES: This is related to #2. JTTB fans don’t want to think about last year, last month, or even last week. Two weeks ago, fans were calling for a Hughes demotion (and lamenting he wasn’t traded alway already). Now, after a couple of solid outings, suddenly he is good enough to be cemented in the rotation? What happens when he has a bad outing again? Example: “Trade the bum for an innings eater (translation: ERA 5+) and an aging outfielder with some pop in his bat!”
And who says Wang is even right yet?
JTTB fans also don’t like to think about last year, when we ran out of starters because of injuries and ineffectiveness. I’m guessing no one had money on the idea that Wang would break his foot by simply RUNNING? If we have 6 good starters ready to go all year, it will be miraculous. You can never have enough starting pitching.
4) DYNASTY BULLPEN ENVY: JTTB fans miss the Rivera-Wetteland run. Understandable. But Rivera was a failed starter with only 2 pitches that found his calling in relief. JTTB fans like the idea of “shortening the game”, but often forget that someone has to pitch the first 6 innings and hand over a lead. They also forget that during the Nelson-Stanton-Rivera run, Nelson and Stanton were great, but nowhere near Joba’s league. Example: “We already have CC Sabathia as our ace. I’d much rather have a CC and a Mike Stanton than two Sabathias… wait, what did I just say?”
If you are experiencing any of these symptoms, you may be suffering from an extreme case of JTTB Fandom. Please stay indoors and cut off your internet connection to prevent the spreading pandemic.
So if not Coke, then who?
Veras? Tomko? We already saw Robertson and his straight FB.
The end of the world!!!
Now we only have a 1/2 game lead on first place…OMG!!!
Weren’t we 5 1/2 behind…and 6 teams in front of us for wild card?
And by the way…tomorrow is June 1st…
Not happy where we are.
Go enjoy the rest of your Sunday.
PETE – Can we get a poll to see how many people feel that Joba should be in the pen?
We all acknowledge he could be great and we all know development is smart….but the Yanks are not in developing mode. We are in championship mode.
For all the “Development” people out there – we need Hughes to develop also and right now Hughes and Joba are equals – except Hughes has potential to give us length (see Texas) and Joba can’t get into the 7th.
Robertson had so much Fear in his eyes it was horrible.
“You guys are 100% correct, yes we are in first place but theres no way with Joe Girardi as the manager of this team will be win the East or any championship with him making tough choices”
i know i nominated a post for “stupid post of the day” but i need to send in another nomination
Or maybe they walk Posada and Jeter hits into a DP?
Or maybe Gardner gets thrown out like he did against Philly?
No… sending Gardner would automatically have resulted in a run, 100%.
What manager in MLB doesnt send the fastest guy on their team in the 9th inning of a tied game to stay outta of a DP?? What manager in MLB wouldnt throw out a guy who can pitch a 4th inning who was on a roll?? What manager in the MLB is the worst?? all answers above are JOE GIRARDI
Carl,
Even last year, Robertson never looked confident. He had that “deer in headlights” look. Compare it to a guy like Aceves and it is night and day.
Robertson looks and pitches scared.
I would have rather lost 4-2 with Pavano throwing a complete game against us.
Brutal, brutal way to lose a game.
66 Stripes,
that’s the whole point. very few managers are willing to use their closers in a tie game on the road.
it makes absolutely no sense though. its completely a function of the conventional wisdom that closers are supposed to get saves (a meaningless stat).
you want to extend the game as long as you can (assuming you aren’t winning obviously…), so why not use your best pitcher to do that.
someone mentioned that its stupid to use Mo for 2 innings on the road.
they wouldn’t use him for 2, just 1. assuming the yanks didn’t score in the 10th (although they had middle of the order up against luis freaking vizcaino), THEN you can bring in coke or whoever. if they lose then, then at least you’ve given yourself one more innign to try to score.
A 2-1 count with one out is the classic hit and run situation. And with a speedster on 1st, you do nothing? Yeah, it is a little outside the box with runner on 3rd, but isn’t that what JG was suppose to be about. Terrible job. Terrible.
Ralphie really stupid post. How many championships have we won with him?? and we wont that post wasnt studpid good try buddy anytime you wanna go head to head and talk baseball let me know.. Ill run circles around you..
or maybe Wang makes a good option to fill in late innings for a Hughes or Joba start once through the rotation. If only they weren’t slotted back to back.
Donnie Baseball go follow the Dodgers. Yes Girardi made a bad call by not sending Gardner but he is not the worst manager in baseball…. it’s one game, take it easy
There is a reason why Girardi didn’t like Robertson. The guy looks like a scared puppy on the mound
Girardi has so few options coming out of the pen, it’s ridiculous. So now it’s Wang, Aceves, and Rivera. Once Wang goes back to starting, it’s down to two. As someone else said, you won’t win many tight games with this pen. I wouldn’t being Robertson in to any tight spots; he practically wet himself out there today.
Hey – How about the relievers do their job and get us to the 10th? You know… the guys who normally are supposed to get the ball to MO, not Wang or MO himself.
Nah… that would be too much to ask. Much easier to blame the manager.
posada has a day off keep him off. both those at bats were terrible
Why wasn’t GGBG running!!!!!!!!!!!!
Girardi is a terrible manager and has been since he got here. The veterans don’t like him (Posada), the media doesn’t like him, and the fans don’t like him. What did the organization see in him?
Any manager who uses Jose Veras in a meaningful game shouldn’t manage. And why hasn’t he petitioned to get rid of Berroa???
Don’t the Yankees have one of the best records in baseball in 1-run games??
Phil has shown enough, Phil starts, Joba 8th inning and put Wang back in the frickin’ rotation!
The fact that people here are clamoring for Girardi to pitch Wang another inning or go to a closer in a tie game on the road shows how bad our bullpen is.
In close games, we are going to be exposed. Imagine trying to protect a 1 run lead in Fenway? Ouch.
One game you really need to watch more games then. Friday was the first day we have been in 1st place with Girardi as manager.
“Ralphie really stupid post. How many championships have we won with him?? and we wont that post wasnt studpid good try buddy anytime you wanna go head to head and talk baseball let me know.. Ill run circles around you..”
only this post is worse than your previous one…good try..have fun…and good game…you are a great contributor to this blog and you really are an asset to the community..
Girardi gave it to Gardner re not stealing.
well girardi implied that it was somebody’s fault that gardner didnt steal…either gardy missed the sign or someone didnt give it to him
Friday was also the first day that he had something close to a full line-up to work with in 2 years
Ya we do because of walk-offs not because of any good managing.. Like I said go watch some games.
This is why, regardless of what the current records are, Boston is going to win the division.
They can throw out Okijima, Ramirez, Delcarmen, Saito, Bard at you
While we throw out Veras, Tomko, Coke, Aceves, at you
Sad, but true. Biggest differences between the two teams right now and it will manifest itself over the course of 162, especially when we play them.
The Yankees have had some great wins this year but they have also had some horrific ones. Girardi didn’t lead the comebacks….he did have a hand with the losses because of his decisions. (Remember when he left Marte in to face Youkilis before Youkilis hit a walk off HR?….that’s typical Girardi – misplaced trust.
Girardi said Gardner missed the steal sign.
Coke adds life…………….to the opposition!!
The most painful aspect of this loss was the fact that the Cleveland line-up is decimated. Hughes was not good. He was facing a very weak line-up.
The most painful aspect of this loss was the fact that the Cleveland line-up is decimated. Hughes was not good. He was facing a very weak line-up.
When asked about whether Gardner should have attempted to steal a base, he said it’s been addressed. Perhaps Brett was told to and didn’t.
based off what giradi said it looks like there must’ve been a missed sign regarding gardy stealing 2nd.
ZMAN7777 May 31st, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Hey Jennifer—In case you haven’t been watching, this bullpen is something to moan about.
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that’s what I’m saying….Cash wakeup and fix this thing
“CB – You’re complaining for the sake of complaining”
Actually if you read his post, he makes very good points.
The game was mismanaged on both ends, theres no disputing that.
Thank you Evan.. finally glad to have someone else that watches the games and knows whats going on.
Gardner missed the sign
They are winning INSPITE of Girardi, not because of him.
Put Torre in there, we are 15 games over .500
The only thing he is good at is picking fights with the opposing team and the umpires.
If we had Coke/Aceves/Bruney/Joba/Mo…that pen would stack up with anyone. Throw in 5 quality starters and a good offense. Yanks have just as good a chance to win division even though I still give edge to Boston….you know, because they have a manager and we have a clown.
ZMAN7777
May 31st, 2009 at 4:28 pm
The most painful aspect of this loss was the fact that the Cleveland line-up is decimated. Hughes was not good. He was facing a very weak line-up.
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Remember what you said if joba gets tattooed tomorrow.
and how did we get the chance for those walk-offs? Oh yeah the pen holding us in the game…. they weren’t 15-14 games
Gardner missed the sign… is Girardi safe again?
Or are people going to kill him for not bringing in his closer in a tie game on the road when no other manager does it either?
Girardi’s YES post-game reaction audio:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/6077249590489038/
Well at leasted we learned that Coke is not addicting.
“In close games, we are going to be exposed. Imagine trying to protect a 1 run lead in Fenway? Ouch.”
Bingo. What do all the Joba starting people have to suggest for the pen? This problem is not going away.
“Don’t the Yankees have one of the best records in baseball in 1-run games??”
They do, but that is only because of all the walk-offs and the offense coming from behind, not because the bullpen was able to hold a 1-run lead for multiple innings.
so Girardi is putting the blame on 1st base coach and/or Gardner for not stealing 2nd? nice
Benny,
Tomorrow will be a typical Joba game–
4.2 IP, 6 H, 4 ER, 5 BB, 6 K
100 pitches
Against the Hafner/Sizemore/Martinez-less Cleveland juggernaut.
“They are winning INSPITE of Girardi, not because of him.
Put Torre in there, we are 15 games over .500
The only thing he is good at is picking fights with the opposing team and the umpires.”
wow this is really getting sickening…if you add every manager in baseball together and make them into one person they do not create an increase of 4 wins solely because of the manager
>Coke is not addicting.
Coke is for losers.
“Or are people going to kill him for not bringing in his closer in a tie game on the road when no other manager does it either?”
He should have we had the heart of our order due up.
Looking forward to getting Melky back. Gardner, Swisher and Matsui are not everyday players. Matsui should be allowed to use scooter. It’s painful watching him try to run. Swisher’s a great guy, but a very mediocre player who’s exposed over time.
Are you serious with the pen holding the game?? Im not even going to comment on that. You really dont watch the games do you?? Go look back at the games that we had comeback wins off and then repost that
Should’ve been an error on Gardner. Also, Jeter getting called out cost us the game. If you’re going to review home runs, you have to review all potentially game-changing plays. All or nothing.
So is it time to try Melancon again?
Or are we going to continue to trot Coke, Veras, etc. out there?
“Girardi said Gardner missed the steal sign.”
Well then that’s simply inexcusable. It really is.
Gardner completely misplayed yet another fly ball to center field.
This game should have never been tied to begin with.
That misplay was worse than the one in the game CC was started two starts ago.
And on top of that he misses a steal sign?
It’s remarkable how Gardner makes inexcusable mistakes in game situations and the general perception of him is that he’s “gritty.”
I can’t even imagine the uproar if either Cano or Melky had missed a steal sign that resulted in a double play – and doing so after making a complete boneheaded defensive play.
Who the hell cares if no other manager brings in his closer in a tie game on road? This is a specific situation where Mo needs the work to build up arm strength and he has worked once in a week. Positively ridiculous.
cb-
some days managers have bad days. today was one of them for girardi.
i didn’t see wang pitch. the results were excellent.
how’d he look ?
Good Lord, Robertson’s ears are absolutely HUGE!!
RalphieD (OPPC all day) May 31st, 2009 at 4:28 pm
well girardi implied that it was somebody’s fault that gardner didnt steal…either gardy missed the sign or someone didnt give it to him
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Glad people waited for the facts before criticizing him.
this bullpen won’t protect a 1 run lead in the 7th or 8th inning at Fenway
Benny — what’s your point? There’s no excuse for Joba getting tattooed. Are you arguing that Hughes pitched well against the AAA Indians?
The pen is AWFUL.
Worst bullpen in baseball.
Coke, Veras, Edwar, Albaladejo, Robertson, Tomko etc. whatever combination you want to use… is not getting it done.
Girardi has been saying since Friday night’s post game, there is no guarentee that Pettitte could make the wednesday start. That’s why Wang had the 3 inning tuneup.
He also said the non-steal by Gardner was addressed. That mean’s that Gardner missed the sign. You can whine about the pen, or Posada’s two at bats (except for the idiot that complained about Girardi not putting on the Sac Fly Play). Yanks hit a lot of hard liners and long flies and they didn’t fall. The call at first on Jeter and Gardner’s butchered play in center.
No problem Donnie B. I watch every game and am a season ticket holder unlike many of the frauds on this thread.
I truly believe this is the best team the Yanks have had in a long time. We have good starting pitching, one of the best closers in the game, dominant #3,4 hitters, solid defense all around, great chemistry, etc.
But our bullpen sucks and it has to get fixed. Time be realistic here. To rely on trades/minor leagues is lightning in a bottle.
The answer is Joba. He won’t be pitching in September (innings limit), he doesn’t pitch more than 5-6 innings, gives up way to many base runners (1.6 WHIP), and while he could be great in the future, he is not needed there now. You have Wang who is rarely used in the pen and Hughes who belongs in the Majors as your #4,5 starters. Logic says to put Joba back where he was SPECIAL player. Where he could have a positive affect on several games per week instead of just one game.
PETE – LETS GET THE POLL GOING.
ok so Gardner admits he didn’t go and he should have, at least he admitted it
Okay Brett just owned up to not going. He knew about the steal sign but was worried about going.
Judged that he couldn’t go.
Gardner just decided not to go. He didn’t miss any sign.
For a guy who is supposed to be this “fundamental” ballplayer, Gardner sure makes a lot of mistakes
His defense has led directly to 4 runs in 2 separate games. And today he misses the sign
Can’t wait till Melky comes back
If the Yankees had a belt to give to the scapegoat of every loss, Gardner would get it today.
Didn’t see the missplay. But things like that and not going when you were told to will get you on the bus going back to Scranton.
Evan,
yes, yes, yes! but….our voices aren’t heard and unfortunately, the Yankees aren’t a democracy, lol….why don’t they just listen to us and then we won’t have anything to whine about!
“What manager in MLB doesnt send the fastest guy on their team in the 9th inning of a tied game to stay outta of a DP?? What manager in MLB wouldnt throw out a guy who can pitch a 4th inning who was on a roll?? What manager in the MLB is the worst?? all answers above are JOE GIRARDI”
So, I guess it is time to eat lot of Crow with statements like this, given what really happened.
Why did swish bunt before pena can steal 2nd base?
“Why not let Wang keep going? He had thrown three shutout innings?” Question du jour, too bad they couldn’t win, but you’re right Pete, missing offense at a few key moments sunk them as much as anything. Too bad they had so much difficulty with the Idle. I’m still marveling that he said “When you’re down, you expect your organization to pick you up, not kick you when you’re down. I’ve had to pick myself up quite a few times the last four years,”) after his rehab tour in the Bronx. Talk about a strong delusion . . .
Still gotta love the Yanks, who are playing crisply and with confidence. Kudos especially to Tex, our one-man wrecking crew. Hope Joba can step up tomorrow, throw hard out of the gate, and give them seven strong innings and a chance to win.
Mike He didn’t miss the sign. He thought he couldn’t go, and didn’t.
It was foolish on his part because he could have tried to steal and Pena could have broke for home.
Like Trevor wrote, not a missed sign. Brett decided he didn’t have a good jump. Bad move, oh well.
I have to say, reading back…some of you are truly disgusting people. Get a grip or go away.
Ok people. You can stop blaming Girardi.
Gardner: “They wanted me to steal, I just didn’t go.” Again, stop blaming Girardi for stuff before we get the information.
BBFan May 31st, 2009 at 4:38 pm
“What manager in MLB doesnt send the fastest guy on their team in the 9th inning of a tied game to stay outta of a DP?? What manager in MLB wouldnt throw out a guy who can pitch a 4th inning who was on a roll?? What manager in the MLB is the worst?? all answers above are JOE GIRARDI”
So, I guess it is time to eat lot of Crow with statements like this, given what really happened.
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don’t you love when people talk about of their butts, than have to eat crow when you learn the facts?
Oh, ok. “Yeah, I saw the steal sign but used my own judgment”. In the old days, that would be a stiff, stiff fine. He HAS NO judgment. That is the manager’s call, and to decide not to comply is mindboggling. As someone else said, imaging if Robbie or Melky had used their judgment in a similar way. Bloodbath.
Yes, Gardner should have stolen second. However, Posada’s groundout was likeey to result in an out at home. And don’t say you know for sure that they would have walked Posada. It was a garbage at-bat from Jorge against a poor closer.
C’mon guys – stop killing Gardner. He didn’t walk the #9 hitter and throw a cookie to Peralta. Our pen did. Gardner had a rough game but Posada hit into the DP. All he has to do is lift a fly ball to the outfield. If Gardner were not on first the run would not have scored anyway. Posada didn’t get the job done. It is what it is.
Big picture is the pen is brutal and cannot be trusted in close games. Look back everyone…the pen has given up a run in almost every inning they pitch. Outside of Mo, these guys all have ERA between 4-7. Look at a good pen and you’ll find 2-3 relievers with ERA under 3.
Time for everyone to eat crow
Gardner decided not to run, not on Joe
“Or are people going to kill him for not bringing in his closer in a tie game on the road when no other manager does it either?”
So Girardi should get credit for managing completely according to cliche by the book wisdom?
He had to try to get Tex another at bat. He had to.
And Mo doesn’t have to throw 2 innings. He could have thrown one inning.
The Cleveland bull pen is horrible. Horrible. Kerry Wood was not going to throw another inning. He’s a one inning reliever.
So how do we know that the top of the yankee line up wouldn’t have scored 2 runs or 3 or 4 and that Coke could have pitched the bottom of the 10th with a sizable lead?
That’s the point – we’ll never know because the top of the line up never got up.
And Girardi better have a good reason for not having Wang throw another inning especially if he’s going to publicly call out his rookie CF / 1b coach for making a stupid mistake on a missed sign.
Jennifer, you’re probably right. Cleveland probably wouldn’t have thrown through to 2nd base and if they did then Pena could have broken for home.
and to top it off, the Sox win
Robertson’s YES post-game reaction audio:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/60772799c364007f/
Gardner’s YES post-game reaction audio:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/607728238cf53adb/
You can’t be any dumber if you’re Gardner. How do just decide not go? Posada is susceptible to DPs.
As a base stealer you can’t be worried about being “picked off”.
randy l.
May 31st, 2009 at 4:34 pm
cb-
some days managers have bad days. today was one of them for girardi.
i didn’t see wang pitch. the results were excellent.
how’d he look ?
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Wang was outstanding….92-93 MPH nose diving power sinker, very good fastball and control. One of the 3 hits was a soft infield bouncer over the mound and a pair of ground singles. I’m guessing that it’s 50-50 that he gets Pettitte’s start.
Gardner got thrown out by Ruiz last week. He is probably gun shy of running late in the game again.
Let’s stop bashing Gardner and Girardi (although Girardi sucks).
Let’s start pounding the organization for not either moving Joba to the pen or finding bullpen help. Either way, Coke/Veras/etc etc is not getting the job done – all year.
“Gardner: “They wanted me to steal, I just didn’t go.” Again, stop blaming Girardi for stuff before we get the information.”
This might be a case of a young player taking the heat off of the manager. How do you just miss a sign? He said he was worried that he was going to go thrid-to-first and then pick him off
C’mon. Pick a pitch to run and go. I don’t think there was a cal to go.
Maybe it is just me, but if Iam a manager, I don’t give up my player like that (even though he is dead wrong). And that sure as hell does not excuse other managerial misplays by JG in this game.
I’m just so sick of running scrubs out of the pen. If this team even had a decent bullpen they would be 15 games over .500
Evan D — right on. The pen is the ultimate Achilles heel. The other stuff will work itself out or already is ok. But this pen is absolutely toxic.
Exactly Evan
This loss is just a microcosm about what our biggest weakness is. We have NO bullpen whatsoever.
Maybe Cashman should stop being giddy about being in 1st place and realize we won’t last long on top with this bullpen.
It is not a question of stealing. The hit and run should have been on with a 2-1 count and 1 out. That was the play there. Posada hits a gb in that situation and Yanks take lead. If it was pure steal sign, mistake by JG. Bigger mistake for BG to use his own “judgment”.
Players ignore signs all the time. It all depends on their instinct. Maybe Wood was keeping a close eye on him and he didn’t think he could make it or something.
Can we stop ignoring the real problem here, the bullpen!
After Cleveland it’s back to facing a real line-up again in Texas. Let’s hope the Yankees offense puts up a lot of crooked numbers; otherwise the pen is going to get shelled.
“Players ignore signs all the time”? On what planet in what universe?
Trevor
May 31st, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Gardner just decided not to go. He didn’t miss any sign.
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Gardner screwed up. He was given the steal sign and he decided not to go. It’s not his job to make that decision, to disregard the sign. If he’s thrown out, it’s on Girardi. Gardner’s job is to use his main asset…speed and he didn’t do it.
Hope Cashman watched this game and realized how sad this bullpen is
Like you said Dan, the stay in 1st place won’t last very long with this pen.
I know we cant win every game but this was a game that we could an should of won.
This one is on girardi and gardner, lets gte ‘em tom and go 5-2 on the trip
“i didn’t see wang pitch. the results were excellent.
how’d he look ?”
randy,
He looked very, very good. Still a bit inconsistent but for the most part he looked fantastic. Quite honestly, his stuff was nasty today when it was on. The ball was just boring downwards with tremendous late action. Just falling off the table.
It wasn’t just that hitters couldn’t get lift off of Wang – they weren’t making contact because the ball was disappearing. On a few pitches today his stuff was inducing swing and misses that reminded me a bit of Halladay. At his best that’s how good I thought he looked.
The only note of concern was that on some at bats it looked liked his mechanics got out of wack and the ball stayed up (on the walks this is what happenned). Fortunately, the balls he threw today were so high that the hitters didn’t even offer.
He’s very close to being completely back. A bit more consistency. It’s a huge relief.
I think they should put him back in the rotation very soon. Maybe one more relief outing. But he needs to go back into the rotation soon.
Hughes needs to go back to AAA to work on his off speed stuff.
Hughes gave up 4 runs to a Cleveland team without their best player
That should be where it all starts.
The Yanks lost. It’s over. Get em’ tomorrow.
Would it have been easier if they lost 4-0 to Carl Pavano?
Why aren’t comeback wins dissected this closely?
Look for the good. The Yanks battled back to tie the game.
Wang looked better. Hughes had a tough inning but didn’t collapse. The Yanks didn’t get changed with an error for the 17th straight game. The team is still in 1st place.
You people are missing the point. The Yankees lost today, now only a half game lead on Boston.
Joe is learning everyday who he can trust and who he cannot. Wang looks very trustworthy in the bullpen. A loss this early in the year should provide lessons to avoid similar losses down the road.
“Can we stop ignoring the real problem here, the bullpen!”
who the hell is ignoring it??
its the biggest issue concerning this team. Everyone and their mother knows that.
So what do you suggest be done about it??
I don’t think Indians would have worried about Pena going home if Gardner had tried to steal. It was one out with Posada at the plate. Yankees don’t need to steal a run there. This one is on Posada, not on Gardner. If Gardner gets caught stealing, then sac fly is not in order any more, and that’s a far worse play.
“And Girardi better have a good reason for not having Wang throw another inning especially if he’s going to publicly call out his rookie CF / 1b coach for making a stupid mistake on a missed sign.”
CB, you are really whining today, as someone else said earlier.
Did you hear what Girardi said…. He still considers wang backup for pettitte just in case. If Wang goes four innings today, that would not be possible. Obviously , Girardi knows better the situaitons with his players better than so many arm chair pundits here.
Girardi said that “it’s been addressed” in regards to Gardner not stealing. So it’s pretty clear that Joe G wasn’t happy that GGBG used his own judgement.
What we learned from the game that we already knew.
This bullpen sucks, its nothing new people, this bullpen has no consistent relievers, just flavors of the week.
Remember when coke was the flavor of the week.
The funny part is…. if Wang had given it up in the 9th, this board would have KILLED Girardi for leaving him in there for another inning when he is not stretched out and when he was tiring rather than going to a fresh arm.
The fact that people wanted Wang, a guy who shouldn’t even be in the pen, to pitch shows how bad the bullpen really is. We basically have 5 useless arms in the pen who give up automatic runs.
Maybe some of you could get your facts straight before you spout off. It’s just ridiculous.
“Hughes gave up 4 runs to a Cleveland team without their best player
That should be where it all starts.”
true but can you honestly say he is why we lost this game…i know i cant…i look other places first
Tampa lost, if anyone cares. Still 7 games ahead of them in the loss.
It’s remarkable that Brett Gardner a 25 year old rookie would decide to not follow a sign. Remarkable.
Again – I couldn’t even imagine the scorn people would shower on Cano or Cabrera if they willfully decided to ignore a sign in that fashion.
There’s this strange perception that Gardner is this “fundamentally sound” “gritty” ball player and I have not clue what this perception is based on.
He didn’t get an error for it but this misplay of that ball in CF was horrendous. That’s the second time in a week he’s made a terrible misjudgement on a ball in CF.
And then he choses to ignore a sign.
Who is this guy? How does he make that decision?
I can’t even imagine what people would be saying about Melky if he had this kind of game.
yawn. The bridge jumpers posting here are so redundant and so boring.
” Hughes gave up 4 runs to a Cleveland team without their best player
That should be where it all starts.”
Ive been posting here for a long time and still love seeing comments like this that completely lack any baseball knowledge.
So should Hughes have thrown a perfect game today? no-hitter? These are professional hitters and can hit anyone, otherwise they wouldnt be there.
1st rule of baseball: Anyone can beat anyone on any given day.
Does the steal sign mean “steal at all cost” or “steal if you think you can”?
This loss just exposes the bullpen for what it is.
There is nobody there you can trust, nobody. Coke, Robertson, Veras, Tomko, Albaladejo, Edwar… nothing there at all.
“Tampa lost, if anyone cares. Still 7 games ahead of them in the loss”
fourth place team with a lot of injuries and a lot of issues.
I don’t care.
The Bridge-Jumpers are right about one thing (and one thing only)… the bullpen is awful and must be fixed ASAP.
“CB, you are really whining today, as someone else said earlier.”
Is their a bigger moron then CB? He only shows up to show off or try to. He likes to act all big but he’s just a complaining moron.
remember when the yankees had 5 good starting pitchers and have the pieces for a dominant late innings relief???
Oh ya….it’s NOW!
CC, Burnett, Pettitte, Wang, Hughes….with Coke/Aceves/JOBA/ and Mo.
Now that is a pitching staff.
What’s alternative? Hughes going back to minors for Wang and we keep running Veras/Coke/Robertson out.
Good luck with that.
Girardi said on Friday he is not going to 6 man rotation. Wang is coming back to rotation, soon. The options are simple:
A) Joba to pen, leave Hughes up
B) Hughes to minors.
You guys decide…
>I have not clue what this perception is based on.
Running fast to 1B?
I dunno. I don’t get it, either. I’ll just say it’s because he’s lily white. Yeah, I went there.
If Gardner isn’t going to steal when he is on base and in big spots then he should be in AAA. He obviously isn’t on the team for his bat. He killed that inning.
I understand bringing your closer into a tie game on the road isn’t conventional, but consider these facts:
1. Mo has only pitched once in the last week and could have used the work, regardless of whether the Yankees won.
2. Vizcaino would have pitched the 10th inning, with the top of the order up (good chance to score runs).
3. If the Yankees took a lead in the 10th inning, Coke and Robertson might not have been so afraid to throw strikes.
4. Even if the Yankees lost, they would have lost with their best on the mound, not sitting on the bench.
I’m not trying to second guess Girardi here. I’m legititely wondering why so many managers are willing to lose games with their best pitcher sitting on the bench.
Most people would have been happy with a split of a 4 game set on the road, especially with the pitching matchups.
Well, we already got the split regardless of what happens tomorrow and we already clinched a winning road trip.
Relax.
The bullpen is always going to keep us from ‘stealing’ games like we could have today. Because everyone in there is automatic to give up runs. Not one single stopper in there.
If the team even had a mediocre bullpen with 1 or 2 reliable setup arms, we would be that much better. But we don’t even have one.
keep complaining about the bullpen. How about come up with your ideas for a solution. Not that easy when you have a couple key guys on the DL. Marte didn’t look good before he got DL’d, but he came out of the WBC injured.
“”Does the steal sign mean “steal at all cost” or “steal if you think you can”?
With a seasoned player it could mean “steal if you think you can”. According to Girardi’s reaction when he was asked about the steal, I would say that with Garnder it means “steal at all cost”!
gb7 and cb-
thanks for your reports.
that’s music to my ears.
wang coming back to what he was will be huge . they lost a game today they could have won, but wang doing this well makes it overall a good day.
Dr. Cox May 31st, 2009 at 4:54 pm
” Hughes gave up 4 runs to a Cleveland team without their best player
That should be where it all starts.”
Ive been posting here for a long time and still love seeing comments like this that completely lack any baseball knowledge.
So should Hughes have thrown a perfect game today? no-hitter? These are professional hitters and can hit anyone, otherwise they wouldnt be there.
1st rule of baseball: Anyone can beat anyone on any given day.
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Agreed.
Hope you had fun at the game yesterday Dr. Cox.
“Tampa lost, if anyone cares. Still 7 games ahead of them in the loss.”
This is actually huge, IMO. Boston is our main rival, but if the Yankees can’t win the division, TB is probably our biggest threat for the WC. I think the Blue Jays will fall off in the second half and the Angels have more bullpen issues than we do. If the Rays continue to struggle, and start believing they’re not a playoff team, it will just make the Yankees’ trip to the postseason that much easier.
Joe G makes my head hurt with his calls. *The Over Mgr* *struck again* ,with another bone head calls!!!
What is this love affair he has with Coke anyway?
Veras has replaced Kyle Farnsworth,giving up an automatic run
when he comes in,to the first batter.
“I’m not trying to second guess Girardi here. I’m legititely wondering why so many managers are willing to lose games with their best pitcher sitting on the bench.”
It’s really perplexing. But it’s become conventional wisdom and it seems like managers just aren’t willing to break this mold yet.
Torre got killed for doing this and if Girardi is going to manage in the same overly conservative, by the book way he should be held accountable to that same standard.
The team is playing outstanding baseball and the key has been the starting rotation stabilizing.
But today was simply a missed opportunity due to poor execution and decision making by the players and manager.
It happens. It’s a long season. But that doesn’t make these kinds of games better.
remember when the yankees had 5 good starting pitchers and have the pieces for a dominant late innings relief???
Oh ya….it’s NOW!
CC, Burnett, Pettitte, Wang, Hughes….with Coke/Aceves/JOBA/ and Mo.
Now that is a pitching staff.
What’s alternative? Hughes going back to minors for Wang and we keep running Veras/Coke/Robertson out.
Good luck with that.
Girardi said on Friday he is not going to 6 man rotation. Wang is coming back to rotation, soon. The options are simple:
A) Joba to pen, leave Hughes up
B) Hughes to minors.
You guys decide…
“Are you a “Joba to the bullpen” fan? If so, you may have the following symptoms . . .”
Awesome and right on the $$$$$$!!!
All that yelling, how about A Rod trying to pull the low outside pitch, how about Cano hacking at 2 balls out of the strike zone. Gardner made a judgement call, finally it’s one game. Let’s overanalyze everything. Everyone that has played CF has misjudged liners especially in the daytime. The team has been playing great, lose one game and it’s a horror show. Everybody is an idiot, false quotes someone else yells.
Girardi didn’t throw anyone under the bus, Quote – “It’s
been addressed”
The team has been playing great, lose one game and it’s a horror show. “Everybody is an idiot”, false quotes someone else yells.
Even the sane posters have caught the disease. Yeesh!
Thank god the Rays traded Edwin Jackson. He’s now 5-3 with a 2.30 ERA.
CB
May 31st, 2009 at 4:53 pm
It’s remarkable that Brett Gardner a 25 year old rookie would decide to not follow a sign. Remarkable.
Again – I couldn’t even imagine the scorn people would shower on Cano or Cabrera if they willfully decided to ignore a sign in that fashion.
There’s this strange perception that Gardner is this “fundamentally sound” “gritty” ball player and I have not clue what this perception is based on.
He didn’t get an error for it but this misplay of that ball in CF was horrendous. That’s the second time in a week he’s made a terrible misjudgement on a ball in CF.
And then he choses to ignore a sign.
Who is this guy? How does he make that decision?
I can’t even imagine what people would be saying about Melky if he had this kind of game.
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Oh, I can imagine the epithets:
“Lazy.” “Stupid”. “Head up his a***”, “Bad, selfish, in-game thinking.”
Shall I go on?
I have nothing else to add – this post hit all the correct notes.
Hughes had some tough luck there. A bloop hit. Gardner misplaying a ball. It wasn’t a good start. But he threw a lot of strikes. So that’s a good thing. 6k’s in 5ip. Next start he should do better.
Remember this, Hughes DID NOT pitch a great game. Also those posters who say that the starters need to go deep, every body but Hughes?. I am so tired of this Wang, Hughes, Joba crap-ola. Lets refresh.
1) 2009 starting rotation. CC, AJ, Wang, Pettitte, Joba and Hughes as #6. Wait say many! Wang should be our #2. He was as close as an Ace as we have had. He has won 19 games back to back.
2) Revised 2009 starting rotation: CC, Wang, AJ, Pettitte, Joba. Yeah, go the Wang lovers. Change is explained as splitting CC and AJ with a pitcher with a different style.
3) Wang pitches 3 (three) lousy games. Boo! He is put on the DL. Oh my say the doomsters – he has caused our BP to be overworked. He is the reason the bull pen is so