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Torre: I’m rooting for the Yanks, Girardi

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on May 31, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Before the Dodgers played the Cubs on Saturday, Joe Torre sat in the dugout at Wrigley Field and talked about how much he enjoys watching the Yankees.

“It’s not pain. I look at it and I care about people and I stay in touch with people over there,” Torre said. “When you’re in California, you get to the ballpark and you turn on the game. It’s 4 o’clock out there, so it’s 7 o’clock somewhere where they’re playing. So I see a lot of their games. And yeah, I watch them with interest because I’ve been with a lot of those guys for a good period of time.

“I have to pull for them. People think because you leave the Yankees and supposedly you’re unhappy with each other that you’re supposed to pull against them. But I can’t pull against the individuals over there, least of all Girardi who played for me, coached for me. I recommended him when he had his first managing job.

“This kid is going to be one of the top managers. This I know is a dream job for him and I’m glad things are getting better for him.”

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Nice words from Torre. The way the Yankees and Dodgers are playing, it’s not hard to imagine them meeting down the road. That really would be something.

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49 Responses to “Torre: I’m rooting for the Yanks, Girardi”

  1. Stacey May 31st, 2009 at 9:34 am

    I miss Joe Torre!

  2. Carl May 31st, 2009 at 9:36 am

    Nice words Joe

  3. ditmars1929 May 31st, 2009 at 9:37 am

    High praise for Girardi and “individuals”, but he still seems bitter with the organization as a whole. I wish someone would insult me with $5 million.

  4. Richie May 31st, 2009 at 9:38 am

    You know a person is getting old when they call someone who will turn 45 this year a a kid.

    I’ll say this, Girardi’s bullpen management has been Torresque this season. If I would have known that was going to happen, I would have preferred that Torre had stayed.

  5. Carl May 31st, 2009 at 9:40 am

    Richie he has no choice. Our BP is terrible.

  6. bru May 31st, 2009 at 9:44 am

    i have been thinking about the dodgers & yankees meeting in the ws.

    the dodgers have a good young similar team.

    broxton,billingsley,martin,kemp,etc…

    man would i love to have broxton as our 8th inning guy.

  7. Peter Abraham May 31st, 2009 at 9:46 am

    Ditmars:

    It’s all relative. If you’re boss offered you a 35 percent pay cut and a one-year deal after years of success, how would you feel?

    Then they gave you no chance to negotiate. How would that sit with you?

  8. Joe from Long Island May 31st, 2009 at 9:50 am

    It seemed like it was time for both Torre and the Yankees to part ways and go in different directions, and you can argue that each has done all right, and that maybe the change has rejuvenated Torre. I don’t know.

    What I do know is that the Yankees had a great run with Joe Torre, and I hope that at some point down the road, bygones can be bygones, and there be a Yogi Berra kind of moment when peace is made. A Joe Torre Day at the Stadium, maybe when he finally retires. Life is to short for grudges (well, most grudges).

  9. S.A.--The sun will come out tomorrow; I'm down with the OPPC May 31st, 2009 at 9:51 am

    That’s nice

  10. kasey May 31st, 2009 at 9:52 am

    i miss torre, too. girardi could lead the yanks to a championship this year and i’d still miss torre. i hope he and the organization mend fences because he’s way too big a part of yankees history to ignore.

  11. Joe from Long Island May 31st, 2009 at 9:56 am

    Kasey – you’re up either very late or very early. Where are you these days?

  12. bru May 31st, 2009 at 9:56 am

    for torre to do what he did in ny & be treated the was he was is a shame.

    the yankees at all cost should of honored him.

    put the egos & so on in the closet & do what is right.

    under torre’s watch the yankees were magic after many years of suffering.

  13. bru May 31st, 2009 at 9:58 am

    torre had a special personality that we might not ever see again in ny.

    as francessa said.”torre can fall down a manhole & come up with a nice watch”.

  14. Richie May 31st, 2009 at 10:00 am

    Carl

    Richie he has no choice. Our BP is terrible.
    __

    Mariano is still very good, if no longer great.

    Aceves has showed tremendous versatility.

    If he gave Robertson and Melancon a sustained opportunity, and he didn’t overuse Coke, the pen would be fine. When Bruney returns, it could be a strength.

    Instead, he keeps using the Veras, just as he kept using Albaladejo and Ramirez.

    The talent is there. The fault lies with the manager.

  15. ditmars1929 May 31st, 2009 at 10:01 am

    Pete, I understand it’s all relative, but $5 million under any circumstance would sit quite well with me, thank you.

  16. pat May 31st, 2009 at 10:08 am

    I had great respect for Joe Torre but The Yankee Years changed my feelings some.

    It had less to do with what was in it and more that he wanted to go there at all.

    Shortly after Torre went to LA, Jeter joked Mr. T had always been “Hollywood”. IMO, the more accurate statement would be Mr. T had grown Hollywood.

    It could be argued that pulling for individuals was what Torre did during his latter tenure in NY and might not have been the best approach for a manager to take.

  17. bodhisattva - OPPC member - Destiny Wears Pinstripes May 31st, 2009 at 10:09 am

    It’s all relative. If you’re boss offered you a 35 percent pay cut and a one-year deal after years of success, how would you feel?
    Then they gave you no chance to negotiate. How would that sit with you?
    =====

    It would sit poorly, in fact, it would be “an insult.”

    Apparently, there are people who have trouble appreciating the relative merit of each situation. All their brains can handle is that, “wow, 5 million is a lot of money! Woo-wee! Wish I had that kind of money!”

    Yes, he still would have been the game’s highest paid manager, but he felt it was an undercutting, begrudging offer.

    It worked out for everyone – it was time for both parties to move on.

  18. Richie May 31st, 2009 at 10:09 am

    I think the way to look at Torre’s paycut is that he was still being offered 1/3 more than the next highest paid manager (Piniella) and that the reason he was paid $7 million per was because he was winning championships. Given that he hadn’t won since 2000, and that he played a huge role in the 2004 ALCS collapse (which should have resulted in his termination), being offered $5 million was quite fair.

    If the Yankees made a mistake, it was that they should have handled the matter privately, and if they really wanted Torre back, they could have stroked his ego while still offering him the same terms.

  19. i-know-nothing May 31st, 2009 at 10:10 am

    Torre was not the problem, it was the team. Oh well.. no point in looking back.. but you would have to wonder what Torre would be doing with a pitching staff like we have now and a real 1B like Tex.

    Side Note: Greinke is everything I hope Phil Hughes to be..
    man is he dealing..

  20. bodhisattva - OPPC member - Destiny Wears Pinstripes May 31st, 2009 at 10:11 am

    ditmars1929
    May 31st, 2009 at 10:01 am
    Pete, I understand it’s all relative, but $5 million under any circumstance would sit quite well with me, thank you.
    =======

    I guess Torre should have allowed you to weigh in on how that dollar amount would sit with you.

  21. Carl May 31st, 2009 at 10:11 am

    Richie its Cashmans fault. Tell him to get Joe some real arms in the pen. Mariano and Aceves have been doing fine. He can’t use them everyday.

  22. EricNS May 31st, 2009 at 10:12 am

    Nice words – Joe

  23. Kelvin Ace May 31st, 2009 at 10:14 am

    Oh Well, these things happen for a reason.

    I believe parting ways was good for both parties, Yankees are getting younger, and a change of scenery did pretty well for Mr. T himself.

    At the end, both parties are doing alright and that’s all that matters.

  24. Richie May 31st, 2009 at 10:15 am

    Carl,

    If Cashman is at fault, it’s because he hasn’t forced him to use Robertson and Melancon. They are both extremely talented, and Girardi, to this point, has not given them nearly as many chances as he has the terrible troika of Albaladejo, Veras, and Ramirez. (That’s what Torre often did.)

    Perhaps that is now beginning to change with Robertson.

    And, as I said, he has overused Coke.

    btw, Cashman’s people found Aceves in the Mexican League. They drafted Robertson and Melancon. Give him credit.

  25. bodhisattva - OPPC member - Destiny Wears Pinstripes May 31st, 2009 at 10:16 am

    Torre was not the problem, it was the team. Oh well.. no point in looking back.. but you would have to wonder what Torre would be doing with a pitching staff like we have now and a real 1B like Tex.
    ========

    Torre managed the 2004 ALCS horribly – in fact, he didn’t manage the series at all.

    Didn’t support Alex with the “Mine” incident, left his players on the field during the Midge crap, did not seem to grasp the necessity of our pitchers throwing inside (strange, for a former catcher) and seemed more concerned with being viewed as an ambassador for the game who is well-liked than being the Yankees manager.

    He had a great run, and it was time to go.

    Didn’t run on Wakefield or Schilling, never used Lofton, sat Tony

  26. Kelvin Ace May 31st, 2009 at 10:17 am

    It isn’t Cashman’s fault, We should have been prepared for a situation like this.

    Mo, Aceves, Coke and Robertson should have been given more chances earlier on the bullpen maybe could had been better.

    Also, it seems that everything is interconnected as many say, and the games where bullpen was needed from the 4th inning and on to finish games really taxed them and hurt them.

    All in All, Yankees are winning games and the bullpen will get better.

  27. bodhisattva - OPPC member - Destiny Wears Pinstripes May 31st, 2009 at 10:17 am

    That ^^ was in reference to 2004, but I decided it’s been rehashed too many times already. Meant to edit it out.

  28. bru May 31st, 2009 at 10:21 am

    after all those years in ny the money had to take a back seat for the sake of torre’s sanity & well being.

    he knew he could get close to the same money ny was offering with a lot less stress.
    you would have to be insane not to leave ny.

    once something has run it’s course you have to know when to hold & when to fold.

    the decision was made for torre when it was no longer fun to go to the park.the contract was the the excuse.

  29. Rose May 31st, 2009 at 10:23 am

    Veras and Berroa= 2 wasted roster spots. Cashman has to have 2 players in the minors who can perform better than these 2.

    ————————————————————–

    Good luck to Torre. I always appreciated the class and calmness he brought to the Yanks.

  30. DT - OPPC member (it's in our blood) May 31st, 2009 at 10:23 am

    Nice comments from Torre. (or were they really from Verducci?)

    Too bad he burned his bridges with his book. We’ll see an Angel Berroa day at Yankee Stadium before we see a Joe Torre day.

  31. William Buckner May 31st, 2009 at 10:28 am

    “If he gave Robertson and Melancon a sustained opportunity, and he didn’t overuse Coke, the pen would be fine. When Bruney returns, it could be a strength.

    Instead, he keeps using the Veras, just as he kept using Albaladejo and Ramirez.

    The talent is there. The fault lies with the manager.”

    This problem is 100% with Cashman. He provides Girardi with the players and if guys like Albie, Veras and Edwar are on the roster, they’re going to get used.

    Now, the problem to me remains roster construction. RAB blog does a great job detailing it today.

    There are three spots completely being wasted. Veras, Berroa, and Tomko.

    Now I’m not sure I agree with Tomko, but Veras and Berroa are useless if not actually hurting the team. And there are options at AAA.

    IDK what it’s going to take to release Veras? His performance can’t get worse. He must have nasty pictures of Cashman.

    Release Veras, promote Melancon.

    I believe Berroa gets the hook when Nady is ready, which should be soon.

  32. Carl May 31st, 2009 at 10:29 am

    Richie He had to choice. Cash should have stuck with a long man a that beginning of the year. He went with Albaladejo. Melancon had to be sent down, it seemed like his confidence got shot at one point…I agree with you on Robertson though, the kid is going to be really good.

    Maybe if we get a healthy Bruney, and Marte back we can actually gauge how good of a job Joe G will do with the pen. He had to overuse Coke. Who else was he gonna go to?

  33. pat May 31st, 2009 at 10:29 am

    “Nice comments from Torre. (or were they really from Verducci?)”

    :smile: There really are some clever people who hang around this place.

  34. Westerner99 May 31st, 2009 at 10:29 am

    The fault is on Cashman right now…but then again, the team Cashman put together on the fly is in first place. So how much can you really blame the GM when the team is in FIRST place. Girardi has shown last year and his year in Miami, that he can handle a bullpen with competent arms.

    Right now the Yanks are playing with a 22 man roster. Berroa, Tomko, and Veras are dead spots. Just dead. Couple that with Melky’s spot being dormant while he is out and the Yanks are playing short.

    Berroa’s spot could go to a mashing AAA OF (Duncan anyone?).

    Veras, I have no idea, but there are young, hungry arms in AAA.

    Tomko is what he is…an aging mediocre arm, at best. Why not give a kid from AAA a shot?

  35. Carl May 31st, 2009 at 10:30 am

    to = no

  36. bru May 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

    i think regardless of what torre did that the yankees should have taken the high road by thanking torre for those very special years.

    the book was after the fact.

    nobody takes the high road.it is all bitterness,egos,he said,she said.

    i agree that we should of never lost the 2004 series against the rs because you just can’t lose a series when you are up 3-0.

    if the rs do not win it all that year torre’s stay in ny is even more special.

    the torre years in ny were truly magic & nothing can take that away ever.

    we were always winning,in the playoffs & a lot of times in the ws.

    it has not happened since.

  37. rover May 31st, 2009 at 10:34 am

    A book for commercial porpoises is just a book for commerical porpoises. I have always like Mr.T. and the book hasn’t changed that. Those words only reinforce my perception.

  38. DT - OPPC member (it's in our blood) May 31st, 2009 at 10:39 am

    “A book for commercial porpoises is just a book for commerical porpoises. I have always like Mr.T. and the book hasn’t changed that.”

    There is a Flipper joke in there, but it just feels to easy.

  39. VEY May 31st, 2009 at 11:14 am

    Ditmars1929,pure stupidity.

    *Stay Classy Joe* !!

  40. Steve May 31st, 2009 at 11:16 am

    Welcome back, Torre.
    Hopefully Cashman and Girardi will be gone next year.

  41. trisha - OPPC member May 31st, 2009 at 11:23 am

    YAWN!

    To me the guy is as phony as they come. I’d believe Pinnocchio before I’d believe anything out of his mouth.

  42. Steve May 31st, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    Top Ten list of reasons Sotomayor won’t be confirmed via the Human Events mailing list. Here’s the number one reason:

    1) SOTOMAYOR: BASEBALL BIAS FOR NEW YORK YANKEES!

    As a native of South Bronx, Sotomayor’s hidden home-town bias became manifest in her love for the New York Yankees, judicially favoring her “Bronx Bombers” over teams from all other cities. No kidding! When ruling to end the 1995 baseball strike, she sided with the player’s union against team owners (who sought parity among all teams with an talent-sharing salary cap). Instead Sotomayor created bias in favor of rich teams who can afford to buy up all the good free agents. So when the New York Yankees hogged 4 titles and 6 pennants in the 8 years after her ruling, with payrolls averaging three times most other team salaries, you can blame Sotomayor for creating that competitive imbalance. I understand why Yankees fans might celebrate her promotion to the Supreme Court, but baseball fans from all other cities should complain loudly against her confirmation!

    http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=21976

  43. Rosh Koch May 31st, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    I dream of a NYY vs LAD World Series. It would be such an historical classic throwback to the days of yesteryear.

  44. The Burning Question May 31st, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    How long were the Yankees supposed to keep on paying for 1996-2000 ?

  45. islesfan May 31st, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    It’s all relative. If you’re boss offered you a 35 percent pay cut and a one-year deal after years of success, how would you feel? Then they gave you no chance to negotiate. How would that sit with you?”

    If my boss had been paying me more than twice as much as any of my industry peers for a long time and despite some disappointing performances on my part, they still wanted to pay me more than anybody doing my job had ever been paid before, I’d feel pretty lucky. I’d put my ego aside and realize that I’m still in the best situation I’ve ever been in, one that has helped me as much as I believe I helped it. One that has elevated my stature in my business more than any take it or leave it offer could ever diminish.

  46. NumberOnePositivePoster May 31st, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    trisha, you are more of a phony.

  47. islesfan May 31st, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    His words would be more believable if not for the fact that he aired out his dirty laundry and took what was supposed to stay in the sanctity of the clubhouse to sell his book.

    He’s lost a lot of respect and can’t play that lovable, above reproach, old Joe anymore.

  48. Jeff NJ - Everyday Aceves May 31st, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    Torre is all class. I just finished reading his book. And while yes it is a bit self serving, there really wasn’t that much dirty laundry. Even the stuff about A Rod was nothing compared to what Selena Roberts opined.

  49. vey May 31st, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    Will somebody tell Cashman Wang is a starter,Cashman says, his contract describes him as ballplayer.

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