Game 51: Yankees at Indians (updates with news of setbacks for Molina, Nady)
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YANKEES (29-21)
Jeter SS
Swisher RF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Cabrera LF
Berroa 3B (yes, Berroa)
Gardner CF
Pitching: RHP Joba Chamberlain (2-1 3.97).
INDIANS (22-30)
Cabrera SS
Francisco CF
Martinez DH
Choo RF
Peralta 3B
DeRosa LF
Garko 1B
Carroll 2B
Shoppach C
Pitching: LHP Jeremy Sowers (1-2, 7.71)
TIME/TV: 7:05 p.m. YES/ESPN.
END OF THE ROAD: The Yankees are 4-2 on a road trip that ends tonight. They are 15-12 on the road this season.
GOING FOR THE RECORD: The Yankees have played 17 consecutive games without an error, which is tied for the major league record with the 2006 Red Sox.
JOBAMANIA: Joba Chamberlain has not pitched especially well against the Indians in six career appearances. His line: 10.2 innings, 7 hits, 8 earned runs, 7 walks, 13 strikeouts.
STREAKS: Derek Jeter has hit in 14 straight at 25 of 63 (.397). … Mark Teixeira has hit in 13 straight at 22 of 55 (.400) with eight homers and 20 RBI.
MILESTONE WATCH: Jeter needs two runs for 1,500 in his career. He would become the fourth active player and fourth Yankee in history.
Back with more later on.
UPDATE, 5:33 p.m.: Jose Molina re-inured his strained left quad today in an extended spring training game in Florida and is likely to return to New York to be examined. The Yankees had hoped he might return this week. Not now and probably not any time soon.
Meanwhile, Xavier Nady started a throwing program today, felt discomfort in his right elbow and stopped throwing. He’ll try again tomorrow. Nady was diagnosed with a torn ligament in April but both parties agreed to try a course of rehab and experimental platelet injections in hopes of avoiding surgery. Today’s setback does not necessarily mean surgery will ultimately be required. But it’s certainly not good news for Nady.
UPDATE, 5:39 p.m.: Joe Girardi said he would discuss Chien-Ming Wang’s with Brian Cashman tomorrow. It sounds like the Yankees are at least considering the idea of putting Wang in the rotation.
UPDATE, 6:05 p.m.: Girardi said he wanted Berroa in the lineup because of the matchup. Berroa, he said, has power and experience.
You’d be proud of me, I didn’t burst out laughing when he said Berroa had experience. Sure, the last lefty he faced in Cleveland was Herb Score.
Meanwhile, in terms of power, Berroa has one home run in the majors since 2006. He does hit lefties better in his career than righties, but not by wide margins. Meanwhile, Damon is 5 for 9 with two doubles against Sowers. He’s just getting a day off.
I asked Girardi point blank why Berroa is on the team and he said they wanted an extra infielder more than an extra outfielder. So be it. That’s a fair point with Alex coming off surgery.
UPDATE, 6:34 p.m.: Andy Pettitte said, without qualification, that he’ll start as scheduled on Wednesday. He said the idea of skipping his start was never discussed.
UPDATE, 7:30 p.m.: The latest on the injury front from Brian Cashman: Molina will get an MRI in Tampa and is not NYC-bound. The Yankees, meanwhile, are hopeful that what Nady felt is just normal soreness. They’ll know after tomorrow.
UPDATE, 7:50 p.m.: Oh, sure, GGBG, now you steal.
UPDATE, 7:59 p.m.: Yankees flashing some leather tonight — and avoiding seagulls at the same time. That takes talent.
UPDATE, 8:02 p.m.: Joba perfect though three innings. Meanwhile, in Long Island, the Francesa family dog is dodging cans of Diet Coke.
UPDATE, 8:17 p.m.: So much for the perfecto. Clearly Joba belongs in the bullpen. Only 3.2 perfect innings and four strikeouts? Atrocious.
UPDATE, 8:40 p.m.: Wow, what a great play by Joba as he dove to catch a bunt then threw to second to complete the double play. Fantastic effort.
1-1 after 5. Yankees would be wise to take the lead based on the weather report. The rain is supposed to be coming.
UPDATE, 8:42 p.m.: They just had the hot dog condiments race here at Progressive Field. The hot dog with onions won then pumped its fist in celebration. What a disgrace.
UPDATE, 8:50 p.m.: Three walks in a row from Sowers to load the bases with no outs for … A-Rod. He can afford to wait for something he can crunch.
Oh, wait. Sowers is out.
UPDATE, 8:56 p.m.: Alex K’s looking on four pitches from Greg Aquino.
UPDATE, 8:57 p.m.: Yankees now 0 for 5 with RISP. Up to Cano now.
UPDATE, 8:59 p.m.: Bases loaded, nobody out, A-Rod, Posada and Cano up and they don’t score. Unbelievable. Yankees are 0 for 6 with RISP in the game.
UPDATE, 9:04 p.m.: Crack meteorologist and Ohio native Jason Zillo of the Yankees says the rain is 45 minutes away. Apparently the rain in Ohio keeps to a tight schedule like Metro North.
UPDATE, 9:06 p.m.: Joba has given them everything they could ask for. 6 innings, 3 hits, 1 run, 2 walks, 5 strikeouts, 82 pitches. Can’t expect much better.
UPDATE, 9:09 p.m.: Matsui for Berroa.
UPDATE, 9:12 p.m.: Matsui walks and he replaced by Pena, who will play third base. Meanwhile the seagulls are getting restless as the storm approaches and we can hear rumbles of thunder in the distance.
UPDATE, 9:19 p.m.: The Yankees have drawn eight walks and scored one run. That math has to change soon, no? Bases loaded one out for Swisher.
Little fly ball, that’s all they need. GIDP, that’s not what they need.
Meanwhile, the Cleveland Society of Seagulls is meeting in right center.
UPDATE, 9:23 p.m.: Swisher missed a grand slam by a foot or so. But the Yankees will take the two-run double and a 3-1 lead. Bases reloaded for Alex again. Sweep the leg, Alex. Sweep the leg.
The Indians are sort of tugging on the cape of Superman there, walking Tex to get to Alex.
Hey, look, it’s Luis Vizcaino.
UPDATE, 9:30 p.m.: Alex singles off the glove of Cabrara at shortstop, two runs scored and it’s 5-1. Not sure what Tex was thinking there. But at least they have the lead before the rain comes.
UPDATE, 9:32 p.m.: The Yankees have drawn eight walks in the last two innings (one intentional). How bad is that by the Cleveland pitchers?
UPDATE, 9:41 p.m.: Joba through seven: two runs on four hits with two walks and five strikeouts. He was hititng 97 in that last inning as he approached 100 pitches. Cleveland is third in the AL in runs scored, by the way.
Coming up tomorrow on WFAN: Can the Knicks get LeBron?
UPDATE, 9:47 p.m.: That was Melk’s first walk in 73 plate appearances.
UPDATE, 9:56 p.m.: Joba out for the eighth. He needs one out to match a career high for innings. He has never gone beyond seven.
UPDATE, 10:02 p.m.: See, Joba really can pitch the eighth inning. 1-2-3. Put him in the bullpen!
UPDATE, 10:24 p.m.: Yankees win. That’s a 5-2 trip and 15 of 19 overall as they head home. Back later with clubhouse reaction.
18 straight without an error. A new MLB record.
a Win today will make you forget the lost yesterday but if we lose yesterday’s lose hurt even more
Joba needs to pick up his game Cant stand Fatcessa anymore
a guy with close to 8 era and a lefty seems like a 7inn 3 hits 7k 0 er game for him
When predictions for the road trip were solicited, I went with 4-3, then wondered if I was being optimistic enough.
Prove me wrong, Yankees – please!
Let’s not talk about Joba to the bullpen. How about using Mo in the bullpen? I posted this on the old thread right before the new thread went up:
The book says don’t bring your closer into a tie game on the road, but what about Rivera not pitching yesterday?
He’d only pitched one inning since May 24th. Plus, you gotta not lose them before you can save them.
You know what they say about a foolish consistency.
Joba needs to take a page out of Phil Hughes’ book and throw strikes today. Establish the fastball. Throw first pitch strikes. I don’t want to see more than 1 walk out of Joba today.
has mo pitch in this road trip yet?
Mo pitched one inning Friday night, that’s it so far on this trip.
Jobamania, midges, seagulls.
Exciting stuff
When Joba throws 94-97 hes Dominates When he throws 89-91 he gets killed
“has mo pitch in this road trip yet?”
save game 1 in cleveland
I agree with Mike, ****curls up into fetal postion***
joba going to the pen is not a “demotion”, he has another talent.
Joba ERA 3.97, no? Francesa’s been ranting about it for a week.
Terrible weather expected in Cleveland tonight; expect game delays. The Yankees do not play the Indigenous Persons again this season so no opportunity for a DH.
How about Joba goes 7 strong and the Yankees win 6-3…
How many #5 starters with sub-4.00 ERAs (pitching in the AL East, no less) are considered flops?
Joba needs a strong outing just to get himself headed in the right direction. Command is a big part of that. Would like to see more of those hard two-seamers to get some quick outs and see if he can go deeper into the game. He’s only gone six innings ofur times in nine starts.
Wave — Gotta disagree with you. If you can’t trust guys to get through a tie inning how can you trust them to pitch when the game is on the line. Coke and Robertson just need to throw strikes. Personally I would have stayed with Wang, but I was in the can when Girardi called for my advice
Back on Pete’s Q&A thread I gotts disagree with him calling Veras more useless than Berroa. Veras for all his flaws does have three wins and from May 12-24 he made seven scoreless appearances covering 4 1/3 innings. In that same time time Berroa never had an AB.
C,
Ironically, Sowers had a game like that (7 IP, 3 H, 1 ER) against us in Cleveland a couple of years ago
I was watching the Rays game on Gameday Saturday, and I noticed Price was throwing 96-98 mph in the first couple innings, and his velocity dropped off to 94 mph in the later innings (but he was still pitching well).
We’ve seen that sometimes Joba pitches the opposite, where he has low velocity in the first inning and then builds it up later. The problem with that is he gives up runs early, and the Yankees can’t do anything but just sit there and watch him. I would rather he bring his best stuff in the first few innings and let the team give him some run support, and then if he tires out in the 6th inning or so, we at least have the option of going to the bullpen (like Andy’s last start).
Hopefully Joba will have his velocity today otherwise it will be another short performance. If his velocity doesn’t return then I would be concerned if I was the Yanks. Not being able to get his arm loose or not throwing hard for 30 pitches is not a good thing. He is facing a below average lineup today he needs to pitch like it. Cut down on the walks, good location and better stuff.
“I agree with Mike, *curls up into fetal postion
joba going to the pen is not a “demotion”, he has another talent.”
how do you know he cant suceed as a starter?This is his full year as a starter you need to let him grow into a Ace you dont just become Roy Halladay Overnight.
We have nobody in the pen you can trust with the game on the line except perhaps Aceves.
Coke has completely fallen off a cliff since the Minnesota series
Berroa has a UZR150 of -62.7 at 3B
SERIOUSLY GIRARDI?
Pete,
Are the Yanks giving any good reasons why they’re holding onto Berroa? It seems like Shelley Duncan would be a better option to pinch hit off the bench. Plus, he’s killing down in SWB.
Are they just waiting a few weeks until Ransom is off the DL? Just in case A-Rod re-injures himself.
and swisher in the 2 hole?
Cano thrived there last time and deserves to be there once again.
Joba is facing a Hafner/Sizemore/Martinez-less Cleveland team
There is nobody he has to try and nibble around. Attack, attack. Don’t waste pitches or walk the .178 #9 hitter like Coke did.
Though if he is throwing 88-90 MPH cookies in the 1st inning, even little leaguers can hit it around. He needs to come out firing.
nobody should say this lineup is not good enough to win because it is 5x better than a sizemore/v-mart-less cleveland lineup…with sowers pitching no less..but yes berroa is playing
Why not Pena? Angel? Trade bait? Would someone be stupid enough?
Guy Incognito June 1st, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Terrible weather expected in Cleveland tonight; expect game delays. The Yankees do not play the Indigenous Persons again this season so no opportunity for a DH.
Is it just me or do the yanks always loose after a rain ddelay?
Jobber Jobber bo Bobber
Banana fana fo fobber
Fee fi mo mobber
Jobber
Damon is 5-9 with 2 doubles against Sowers, yet Joe decides to sit him.
Girardi giving the game away just like Jerry Manual did against the Marlins on Saturday
well, we won’t be having our 18th straight errorless game with berroa at third.
Chance of rain is 60%, t-storms all night. poop.
Although, the animated maps show a huge storm that passed through earlier today and looks almost clear now
Berroa What the heck(Hopes he hits a 2 HR) What is Giardi thinking?
Berroa??? Why not Pena?
Should I assume that Pena is hurt or was kidnapped by the seagulls? lol
Berroa is on the team… might as well play him for the 1st time in a month
For real, Berroa? Seriously? Batting 8th too? At third?
Not good Girardi, not good.
Why is Gardner in there after the terrible game he had yesterday?
BERROA?!?!?!?!?!?!
I have always been a ‘Joba in the rotation’ person BUT, what happens if Joba pitches worse than Hughes over his next few starts? When Wang is ready to join the rotation, would it be fair to send Hughes to AAA and let Joba remain on the team as a starter?
I guess what I’m trying to say is that Joba deserves the patience and time it takes to develop as a starter, but so does Hughes. And if Hughes is showing better progression at this level, then why should he be the one bumped out?
Of course, this is all a moot point if Joba goes out and pitches well tonight. My only concern is that right at this moment, I can’t say I trust Joba any more than I trust Hughes on the mound, so I don’t think it should be a slam dunk that he gets to stay in the rotation all year, and Hughes doesn’t.
Berroa 3B (yes, Berroa)…classic
although, pretty much everytime there is an uproar about someone playing they have a pretty good game
Berroa 3B (yes, Berroa)
so berroa is ganna kill the error-less streak?
Berroa 3B (yes, Berroa)
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Hahahaha
oh – and here’s hoping this is just “an extra day for rest for Melky” and not some sort of a setback
lol and the usual suspects back at 3:45 whine about the lineup, like a broken record.
Never fails.
A better question would be: why is Berroa hitting AHEAD of Gardner?
Melky is in the lineup, so i don’t know what extra day of rest you’re talking about.
Berroa in just in time for defensive record breaking game. Arod can breathe easy as he wanted no part of ground balls yesterday.
To be fair Damon is all beat up and needs a day or more off.
Joba looks like he’s pacing himself early in games and holding back. Problem is that drives up pitch counts so when he’s letting it loose he’s already to high up there. That’s why I want to see more early two-seam fastballs which can result in quick ground outs.
If there’s a Berroa sighting can Marte be far off?
Girardi is giving Berroa a chance to play before he’s DFAed and calls up somebody else. That’s my guess, I have no idea though. And I don’t want to get too excited.
As much fun as it is to crack jokes, I don’t like to see somebody sitting around and not playing. So I hope when it does happens, he gets to be an active bench player somewhere else.
Swisher is a high OBP guy. Get as many on base in front of Teixeira/A-Rod as possible.
So whats the Blog pool on who makes the error tonight?
I’d go with Berroa as the obvious choice, but something tell me it will be the sure handed Texiera. Murphy’s Law and all.
So Angel Berroa is a STARTAH ?
Does Diet Coke Mike know?
OZ 54
June 1st, 2009 at 3:57 pm
lol and the usual suspects back at 3:45 whine about the lineup, like a broken record.
Never fails.
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Sorry sir, I hardly ever complain about the posted lineups because, for the most part, I always seem to agree with them. But he just HAD to start Angel Berroa tonight, didnt he? I mean, is that a joke? We have tied the major league record with the longest errorless streak, you would assume that the Yankees would be trying to go for history tonight by fielding their best defense out there. But they had to give a start to “stone hands” Berroa.
yankswin27
June 1st, 2009 at 3:57 pm
A better question would be: why is Berroa hitting AHEAD of Gardner?
Girardi likes to turn the lineup around and have Gardner as a 2nd leadoff guy
Gardner should be sent down after his game yesterday, why is girardi playing him after he said to him yesterday f… you?
Berroa because Pena isn’t great from the right side. Ha ha predict the error less streak ends tonight with the 3rd baseman butchering a ball.
Two questions:
Why is Angel Berroa still on this team? It can’t be his bat. It can’t be his defense. I doubt he’s even a clubhouse guy. Why?
Second, who would you rather have in the pen and why; Kyle Farnsworth or Jose Veras?
I can’t understand how Brian Cashman (and I like him) could sit in his padded Legends seat and say, yes, Jose Veras and Angel Berroa are championship team calibre players.
while it would be easy to make fun of this line-up, i won’t do that. nice to see Jorge back behind the plate.
if anybody needs a 1/2 day off, A-Rod is a great choice.
berroa at 3rd-i’m ok with that. someone needs to play 3rd today.
i’m fine with Damon getting a day off-especially against a lefty starter.
and of course welcome back Melky. so happy he was able to avoid the DL with the bum shoulder.
I say Jeter or Cano make the error. That’s my guess. If not tonight, then sometime in the next few games.
Dan
June 1st, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Why is Gardner in there after the terrible game he had yesterday?
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Because the Yankees continue to labor under the illusion that Gardner’s plus speed equals plus center field defense.
That’s my read on it.
Just let Berroa commit an error that costs the game and Girardi better stay in Cleveland and not take the flight back to Newark for the upcoming Texas series.
What is the fixation with this dud ?
Is it just me or do the yanks always loose after a rain ddelay?
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Is it just me or do the Yanks always lose after grounding into a double play with first and third 1 out.
Can they be treating Berroa like they did Billy Crystal a couple years back? Maybe get him in for his final at bats and say se la vi after. I think Billy had less holes though.
I for one am pleased (but not *very pleased*
) that Berroa is starting this game. I think the Mighty Righty will tee off on Sowers and then we will have a solid performance to look back upon as his Yankee career draws to a close.
Numbers vs. Sowers
Jeter – 5-8, 2 doubles
Posada – 1-2
Swisher – 2-4, 2 HRs, 5 RBIs
ARod – 3-7
Teixeria – 2-3
no pena?
and swisher batting 2nd instead of cano?
suspect… at best
I hate when managers decide to rest multiple players at once. If you’re going to do that, why not do it with CC on the mound (who doesn’t need as much run support).
At least we’ll have a good bench today, and hopefully Berroa will find a way to get on base in the later innings so Girardi is forced to pinch run for him.
“Because the Yankees continue to labor under the illusion that Gardner’s plus speed equals plus center field defense.
That’s my read on it.”
LOL sad but true. Gardner is NOT a good defensive CF.
Is this line up some sort of June 1st Joke? Angel Berroa is still on the roster? A .220 hitter batting second?
Are they showcasing Angel or has Pena got swine flu?
“What is the fixation with this dud ?”
Four plate appearances in a month hardly qualifies as a fixation.
Prediction: Berroa goes 2-4 with a single and homer.
No, I am not smoking anything.
Lenz
johnny is sitting because he is hurting. He banged into the wall on Wednesday bruised himself and cut his leg up. He needs a rest. My only issue is Angel.
Pena can’t hit lefties
That’s why Berroa is in there
Fielding Angel Berroa:
Epic Fail.
Gardner is playing because Damon is old and banged up and needs a day off. I think Gardner should sit in the corner for a day or 2 after yesterday’s performance.
Stultus Magnus
June 1st, 2009 at 4:02 pm
I say Jeter or Cano make the error. That’s my guess. If not tonight, then sometime in the next few games.
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It’s all well and good to have an errorless streak, but I can’t believe how YES wound up it’s broadcast yesterday with the silver lining that we had tied to ML record, co-held by the Red Sox.
We have 26 World Championships – and they are reduced to playing the Tupper Ware game – letting everyone know we may eclipse Boston’s 2006 mark?
This post-2004 paranoia has become ridiculous. And embarrassing.
I’d like to know what the total innings are for this streak. I’d hate to think if the Yanks make an error in the 1st or so, the RS have the record because it was more innings.
Can someone tell Swisher that the throw from right field to home plate doesnt have to sail as high as it was hit to him?
I could have swore i heard “i got it” from one of the infielders taking that throw. Scared the crap out of the seagulls.
My most hated yankee: GARDNER!!!!
For the usual whiners on the lineup…
Damon is hurting and has been hurting since he ran into the fence in Texas.
With Melky hurt, they couldn’t give him a day off. With Melky back, this is a chance to give him a day off before the homestand.
Girardi is “giving away” so many games, they are in first place and have the second best record in the AL.
I hope he continues to “give games away” with those results.
“Is it just me or do the yanks always loose after a rain ddelay?”
Friday was a rain delay and Andy got the win.
“To be fair Damon is all beat up and needs a day or more off.”
Agreed. He’s been in a bit of a funk. 9 for 45 over his last 10. Slop tossing lefty is a good night off for him.
rachel-i wanted to reach into the tv screen and shout at Gardner for at least 1/2 hour.
the final straw was him not attempting to steal in the 9th. if he runs, there is no double play. end of story!
not sure if we win the game, but there would be no double-play. that much we can assume.
Girardi is probably batting Swish 2nd to break up all of the duds at the bottom of the lineup. If he bats Cano 2nd then that leaves all of the garbage stuck together back to back.
bodhisattva,
I want to beat Boston in every single statistical category in baseball. And that mentality extends way before 2004 ever happened. That’s why it is such a heated rivalry.
There was a near disasterous collison between Austin Jackson and Eric Duncan on a ball hit into the gap in Scranton today. Luckily no damage other than the ball getting away from them.
http://community.thetimes-trib.....notes.aspx
Assuming that Zach McAllister continues to progress as well and as fast as he does, what will they do with the rotation by next year? who gets traded, who goes to the bullpen? At the same time, you have others like Kontos and De La Rosa showing up.
Did you know that Angel Berroa is the only active MLB player to have missed a game due to Pterodactyl Flu?
bodhi: given that Gardner is playing tonight because Damon is getting a rest, would you have him in a corner OF spot and have Melky in CF?
The problem with Farnsworth is that he threw strikes…and sometimes the other team hit them. High and far. Veras just walks tons of people…which you can theoretically get out of without giving up a run. Not that Veras does that.
You know what happens if the errorless streak is broken? They go back to just trying to play the game and not worrying about any streak.
And maybe Berroa’s just starting so he can get in a game before the Yanks send him down/otherwise get rid of him when Molina comes back…
Prediction: Berroa goes 2-4 with a single and homer.
No, I am not smoking anything.
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What kind of brownies are you eating?
Damon NEEDED day off in the worst way after that Texas collision.
A-Rod gets to DH instead of Matsui. What’s the problem?
t-rock
June 1st, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Pena can’t hit lefties
That’s why Berroa is in there
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And Berroa CAN hit lefties?
By the way, just because the Yankees are in first place does not mean that are nearly as good as the Red Sox. The Red Sox are just a gutty team. They grind out at bats. I’d take a double off the wall by Jason Bay over a 2-run shot by Tex. At least Bay has to work for his doubles. Grinds them out! He’s a game-ah! A GAME-AH!
And Jobber, he just wants to be a start-ah for the money. That’s all he cares about. Money! Well what bout his swagha! They took away is SWAGHA!!!! TO THE BULL PEN!
SJ44 June 1st, 2009 at 4:08 pm
For the usual whiners on the lineup…
Damon is hurting and has been hurting since he ran into the fence in Texas.
With Melky hurt, they couldn’t give him a day off. With Melky back, this is a chance to give him a day off before the homestand.
Girardi is “giving away” so many games, they are in first place and have the second best record in the AL.
I hope he continues to “give games away” with those results.
Under joe torre this team would of been 13 game over!
I have no problem with the lineup except with Berroa being at 3rd base. Arod needs a little rest so DHing him I have no problem with. Moving Swisher up in the order might give him some better pitches to swing at with Tex and Arod following him.
Why Berroa? Its easier to put Pena in late for defensive reasons rather than vice versa with a lefty on the mound.
Its not that complicated. They have another period where they are playing a lot of days in a row and are trying to give Arod a half day and juggle the guys in the OF (Melky and Damon) who are banged up a bit.
SJ: Well said.
right center gap in NY
June 1st, 2009 at 4:09 pm
rachel-i wanted to reach into the tv screen and shout at Gardner for at least 1/2 hour.
the final straw was him not attempting to steal in the 9th. if he runs, there is no double play. end of story!
not sure if we win the game, but there would be no double-play. that much we can assume.
No DP and a run scored…there was a guy on 3B. Then we have the lead and bring in Mo. The game was lost on him not stealing
bodhi: given that Gardner is playing tonight because Damon is getting a rest, would you have him in a corner OF spot and have Melky in CF?
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I don’t have an issue with him playing. I do have an issue with him playing CF.
Let him play LF.
SJ, not to mention its getaway NIGHT. You think MLB would force teams to play a day game when the visiting team is flying out that night.
Oh please, Joe Torre wouldn’t have this team 13 games over.
Geez, do we have to have idiotic 10 year olds spout this nonsense everyday the lineup is announced.
Explain, in detail, how Joe Torre would have this team 13 games over .500 right now. Don’t spout gibberish. Give me facts to consider.
right center gap in NY,
Plus his answer on why he didn’t run was so stupid. He should of looked at it like the managed ordered him to go. If he was caught stealing then it’s the managers fault not his for making him go. At least you try it instead of watching the turtle Posada attempt to get to 1st on the easy DP.
If you’ve been paying attention, Pena has been less than stellar at third base. He’s made some dazzling plays, but, he’s booted some really easy ones, too.
I threw up a little when I read Berroa’s name at 3B
bodhisattva,
Gardner is a better fielder and you want the stronger arm in RF to get the guys going from 1st to 3rd…a more common play. You don’t put weak arms in RF. Swisher is probably the weakest arm in the league and we’ve seen how many times its an issue.
They must be trying to showcase berroa for a trade. HA!
They nearly collided when I saw them in Allentown on Easter Sunday.
The wind was crazy that day, but Duncan didn’t yet seem to have a grasp of his parameters.
Looks like the game will start on time, but it will be a rain shortened game. T-Storms coming at 10 PM and continuing until 1 AM. So however many innings they can squeeze in before the storms start.
Get a lead early and protect it.
A few things from yesterdays game: Repost
1- Hughes threw very nice and had just 1 rough inning. He deserves to start again as he will only get better IMO.
2- Wang also threw very nice but had to come out due to possible start on Wednesday for Pettite so you couldn’t put a lot of pitches on him.
3- Gardner screwed up not running and I would have liked a hit and run there at the very least.
4- Two weak at bats by Posada, hit a damn fly ball.
5- Matsui can’t run at all.
6- Bullpen is weak and if Joba doesn’t stretch out his innings in the next 2 or 3 starts then I would move him now instead of later when they will move him anyway.
7- Tex is awesome, what a great signing. Better defensively than I thought and right there with Donnie B and way better than Tino with glove.
8- Arod having trouble going to his right defensively.
9- We are still a good team that will continue to get better.
Seriously, I’d have no problem whatsoever with this lineup if Ramiro Pena got the start at third.
DB,
I know. An ESPN night game on a getaway day after a wrap around series. That’s really bad scheduling.
You know what cracks me up about this Torre v. Girardi crap?
If Joe Torre was here, and this team is in the SAME position they are in right now, given EVERYTHING that has happened so far this year, fans and media alike would be nominating him for sainthood.
Joe Girardi does it? Nary a word except from the usual whiners that they should be better.
Its amazing the double standard that exists between the two Joe’s.
How can I put a positive spin on Berroa in the line-up?
Hmmmm….
Well he is 0-3 with two strikes out against Sowers lifetime… BUT that one out was a really really high pop-up.
Why is Gardner in there after the terrible game he had yesterday?
because melk man’s probably not ready?
DB – (officially panicked 5/13/09)
June 1st, 2009 at 4:17 pm
bodhisattva,
Gardner is a better fielder and you want the stronger arm in RF to get the guys going from 1st to 3rd…a more common play. You don’t put weak arms in RF. Swisher is probably the weakest arm in the league and we’ve seen how many times its an issue.
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You mean weak arms, like Swisher’s? He’s your RF tonight, according to the lineup card.
Had Melky been slotted in RF, your argument would have validity.
As to your first comment – Gardner is a better fielder…than Melky, I presume? I emphatically disagree with that.
“Berroa 3B (yes, Berroa)”
Berroa ?
Did El Nino die !?
Angel at third????? ***turns off, computer then turns it back on****
Darn, the loud website is still showing berrora in the lineup. Anybody else having this problem???
Torre v. Girardi is so lame already. Can’t we all just move on?
“You know what happens if the errorless streak is broken? They go back to just trying to play the game and not worrying about any streak.”
True, but this team has a .188 winning percentage when they make an error.
SJ44,
But Bigelow green tea is worth at least 4 extra wins a month, isn’t it?
Joe Torre would have had this team 15 games over because:
1. He would have handled the clubhouse better. The team is as tight as a drum especially in big spots. That is a reflection of the manager. They panic. They don’t have the mental toughness that Torre brought. Gardner would have stolen if Torre was here. He wouldn’t be timid and afraid of being caught. The team has a pessimistic outlook on things.
2. Joba would definitely be in the pen under Torre. You think he is going to send out Coke/Edwar/Veras when he has Joba there? Torre had a ton of power as was evident in his book.
3. He would have handled the bullpen much better. Not trotted out Veras and co everyday to blow games. He would have given young guys a chance. He wouldn’t yank guys in the middle of innings or put put guys who are terrible
4. He would not play “pick a name out of a hat” with the lineups. He would have one lineup that he used 162 times.
5. The team in general would have more of a swagger about them. They would believe they can make the playoffs because Torre did 13 years in a row.
Oh geez, SJ whining about the whiners. Here we go…
I’m simply amazed at how Melky’s never made a fielding or baserunning mistake in his 3+ years in the majors. Amazed.
bodhisattva – OPPC member – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
June 1st, 2009 at 4:17 pm
They nearly collided when I saw them in Allentown on Easter Sunday.
The wind was crazy that day, but Duncan didn’t yet seem to have a grasp of his parameters.
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Yeah, but, Duncan is still learning to play the outfield. I’m surprised that he’s done as well out there as he has. at least he has an arm, and hopefully it gets him off of third base, where he’s completely out of position. It has to be easier on his back than playing 1st and 3rd. Luckily, today, nobody got hurt.
“Had Melky been slotted in RF, your argument would have validity.”
The Rangers haven’t been hitting much to RF this series, early scouting by the field positioning guy they have. Melky in LF cuts down doubles and we’ve seen Damon have oppurtunities in this series.
The time Berroa spent on the bench is a mere speck in his existence. Playing once a month feels like playing every day for the Ageless One.
Heck, he was benched for 2 months in 1894, setting the record for the longest an active player was out of the starting lineup. The record still stands today, 115 years later.
It’s not a big deal.
SJ44
Why Berroa? Its easier to put Pena in late for defensive reasons rather than vice versa with a lefty on the mound.
Yup.
Berroa get 2 at bats Sui pinch hits in the 6th or 7th.
Pena finishes the game.
They are going to need two extra infielders all season but there has to be someone better than Berroa! No?
Speaking of music groups, I’d like to suggest that Pete start one called Pete and the Crybabies and that he solicit the backup band from this forum to play sad music!
Berroa is playing. Hopefully the disconsolate can either call the online good samaritan hotline and get counseling or perhaps borrow some antidepressants from anyone you know who has “sadness issues.”
Or I guess the other thing you could do is grow up and let go of it since it’s not going away until it does.
Gardner is a better fielder than Melky (although Melky is fine). Melky’s big strength is his arm and that really doesnt come into play much. Plus, Melky has thrown the ball very poorly this year.
SJ, it’s not all bad, read this
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05.....171562.htm
“You think MLB would force teams to play a day game when the visiting team is flying out that night.”
Short trip to NYC shouldn’t be a big deal. Yanks/Rays go next Monday night at the Stadium on a Rays get away day. Longer trip is one thing. Yanks have a day game at the Nats ahead of having to go to Florida on 6/18 and day game in Minnesota on 7/9 ahead of having to go Disneyland and play the Angels. Schedule makers are more fair than we make them out to be at times.
Lonnie,
I give you #2.
As for the team being uptight, I don’t know where you got that from.
They were uptight last season because they wanted the last season in OYS be special, IMO. But this season? They don’t give up until the last out.
“The team is as tight as a drum especially in big spots. That is a reflection of the manager. They panic. They don’t have the mental toughness”
That exact quote could be said about the Yankees in the ’04 ALCS, and the 3 following ALDS collapses. Who was the manager for all that?
It is ridiculous that the Yanks can never play a day game on get away day. Why just because other teams don’t have fans the Yanks have to help them get money and then be exhausted. They shouldn’t have to take the fall for other teams not having better teams and or fans. I wonder if they ever lobby for day games.
I still can’t believe what I’m seeing at 3B
At the risk of sounding blindly optimistic, everytime that Girardi seems to produce a AAA sounding lineup and I make fun of/question it- they seem to win just to spite me. So I am passing reservations.
Yogi Berroa will be one of the games stars tonight.
“Gardner is a better fielder than Melky”
Nuh-uh!!!!
“He would have given young guys a chance.”
Joe Torre? Really now. This is the guy that killed guys like Quantrill and Proctor because he wouldn’t use anyone who is under 23 years old out of the pen pre-Joba.
I am rooting for Berroa tonight, as I’m sure everybody is. I hope he does well before he is gone.
This team is so uptight in big situations that they have how many walk-off wins? They have actually been very good aside from the 5 Boston games, and it seemed like 60% of the team was hurt for those. I know those games count just as much, but I think they will get their revenge later this summer for that.
“They are going to need two extra infielders all season but there has to be someone better than Berroa! No?”
I mean Corona in AAA would make me feel better.
This team is tight as a drum? lol You serious? This team is ANYTHING but tight as a drum.
Do you even watch the game and/or read how loose these guys are?
CC was really uptight the other night wasn’t he? On the night of his start, he’s playing video games with the players in the clubhouse. The pies, the joking around, yup, this is a very uptight team. Great call.
No, Joba wouldn’t be in the bullpen because that’s the organizations call. They want him to be a starting pitcher. More bullcrap from you.
162 straight lineups? Really? The 1998 Yankees had 141 different lineups in 162 games. Look it up.
More swagger? They don’t have swagger now? The comebacks, being in first place, the fact they have one of the three best records in baseball in May, etc.
Bullpen management? Yes, Torre did a wonderful job of handling his bullpen from 2004-2007, didn’t he?
But hey, you win dumbbell post of the day. Until you top yourself of course.
And a hearty HA HA HA HA HA to all of you endless whiners, including Pete, who obviously don’t know your butts from a hole in the wall but continue to scream loud enough to pretend you do, since the team in first place in the AL
East, you know the one that made all of the moves to get there IN SPITE OF YOU, well that team is playing Berroa tonight!
I suspect they know more than all of you crybabies put together. That’s truly what I suspect.
Oh yeah. Give me a time-tested MLB player to play a bit role over pulling someone up from AAA (or lower) 7 days a week.
And to the poster who said minor leaguers would prefer to sit on the bench in the majors and not play, to playing ball full-time in the minors – you’re full of crap.
“Nuh-uh!!!!”
He really is… unfortunately Brett Gardner is not playing CF for us it’s his evil cousin Gardenhoser.
Erica, by all means critique the lineup. I get a kick out of everyone complaining about it and then Girardi looking like a genius. It seems the more people who complain the better they do.
They nearly collided when I saw them in Allentown on Easter Sunday.
The wind was crazy that day, but Duncan didn’t yet seem to have a grasp of his parameters.
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Yeah, but, Duncan is still learning to play the outfield. I’m surprised that he’s done as well out there as he has. at least he has an arm, and hopefully it gets him off of third base, where he’s completely out of position. It has to be easier on his back than playing 1st and 3rd. Luckily, today, nobody got hurt.
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Yes, still adjusting. That poor kid and his ancient bad back. I still remember the buzz about him as a great lefty bat of our future, out of Seton Hall Prep.
I wish they would similarly give Miranda some turns in the corner.
“I mean Corona in AAA would make me feel better.”
It’s a pity, Brandon, that the Yankees aren’t in business to necessarily make you feel better.
Mark in Tampa
Actually 4 less. He falls asleep on the bench.
DB – (officially panicked 5/13/09)
June 1st, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Erica, by all means critique the lineup. I get a kick out of everyone complaining about it and then Girardi looking like a genius. It seems the more people who complain the better they do.
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Nah, I won’t do that. I am one of those people who doesn’t think booing helps anything.
From Kim Jones’ blog:
“He painted it like a two year old,” Bruney seethed. “Why did he have to paint the whole thing green? I’m done.”
With the videogame?
“No, with Gardner and the figurine,” Bruney said. “Ask him why he did it.”
LOL
Jennifer- are you out there? How did the corn come out??
Gardner go away please….his and Swish’s mental mistakes are getting old
Yah. Not buying that Torre would have more wins. We’re undefeated when our manager gets ejected (this requires getting up off the bench and moving toward the ump) and we play error-free baseball.
Brandon ? Is Berroa really starting today ????
June 1st, 2009 at 4:29 pm
“They are going to need two extra infielders all season but there has to be someone better than Berroa! No?”
I mean Corona in AAA would make me feel better.
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Come on, Brandon, right now, Corona can’t hit AAA pitching and he’s definately not a shortstop. He plays a fairly good 2nd base, but, he’s a butcher at shortstop.
If Berroa is on the team he deserves the occasional start.
This is a rerun, but appropriate, I think:
I would like to propose banning use of the word “whine” on this blog. The reason, it’s an endless loop and it hurts my head.
Complaining = whining.
Complaining about whining = whining about the whiners.
Pretty soon, someone will whine about my whining about the whiners whining about the whining.
If all strikeouts at Yankee Stadium are sponsered by PC Richard & Son, can all hits by Berroa be sponsered by AARP or Depends?
Lonnie June 1st, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Oh lord I hope that post was a joke.
I never knew Gardner was this bad in CF
“I’m simply amazed at how Melky’s never made a fielding or baserunning mistake in his 3+ years in the majors. Amazed.”
I like the new, more sarcastic Mel. However, I figured you’d be too giddy for sarcasm, since the Lakers are going for another title (Lakers in 6?).
Pena’s defense hasn’t been great either as GreenBaret said
That is the book on Pena… makes some dazzling plays but botches some easy ones.
Erica-
It came out great. Put butter salt pepper on it, wrapped it n foil. very tasty!! Thanks!!
Torre would have the team 15 games over
Santana would have the team in first from day one and would never look back
We never should have traded Javy Vasquez
We never should have traded Ted Lilly
We never should have signed Pavano
We never should have signed Contreras
We never should have traded Contreras
This was brought to you by the lohud Psychic Hotline
Anyone ever notice Wave always whines about people who whine about whiners???
I wonder if Berroa’s locker smells like mothballs? I wonder when he’ll get the About Schmidt treatment?
trisha-
You didn’t even mention Jay Buhner!
“Pretty soon, someone will whine about my whining about the whiners whining about the whining.”
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Agreed, stop the nonsense and whining about the whiners who whine as only whiners know how to whine.
Melky Carbrera 2009 UZR/150 LF 11.6 RF 24.3 CF 13.4
Brett Gardner 2009 UZR/150 LF 36.8 RF NONE CF 19.3
Whose the better fielder?
trisha – OPPC member
June 1st, 2009 at 4:37 pm
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You forgot one other brilliant move- In 2001, the front office believed that Rondell White was even better than Johnny Damon.
“I mean Corona in AAA would make me feel better.”
After seeing Berroa in the lineup,
I think many blog readers are reaching for a Corona to feel better right now.
Oh Wave, stop whining about the whiners!
I think it is more than fine to mention the Lohud Greek Chorus!
WHINE NOT????
Geez….whose = who is
vin,
Staples-Where Amazing Happens!
It may take all 7, but I think we get it done. Just need to take the first 2.
“After seeing Berroa in the lineup, I think many blog readers are reaching for a Corona to feel better right now.”
And the rest of us old enough not to be carded continue to maintain our usual equilibrium.
Who’s Whose? Nice DB, you ran into a classic joke.
This blog has been seized by the Whine Flu epidemic…
Lonnie June 1st, 2009 at 4:22 pm
2. Joba would definitely be in the pen under Torre. You think he is going to send out Coke/Edwar/Veras when he has Joba there? Torre had a ton of power as was evident in his book.
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Riiiiiight.
That’s why he was made to adhere to the Joba Rules.
Torre had the power to overrule EVERYONE in the organization because he was SAINT JOE.
I liked him as much as anyone, but even Joe could not make Joba a reliever if the ownership and management want him to start.
And one thing people tend to forget about this whole debate. Hasn’t Joba stated a preference to start? Does what the player want account for nothing anymore?
If one whines in the woods with nobody there to hear them whine, is it really considered whining?
Erica, how are you feeling?
Trisha, you’re engaging in skilled self-parody, right?
If so, very well done!
DT
June 1st, 2009 at 4:40 pm
“I mean Corona in AAA would make me feel better.”
After seeing Berroa in the lineup,
I think many blog readers are reaching for a Corona to feel better right now.
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I’m not overly thrilled about Berroa on a bad field, either, but, it something goes wrong, better him than Rodriguez. I’d prefer a home-grown “Corona” (minus stems and seeds) to smoke over the bottled version.
Brandon Pavano..b/c a Pavano can get away w/ anything
June 1st, 2009 at 4:24 pm
“Had Melky been slotted in RF, your argument would have validity.”
The Rangers haven’t been hitting much to RF this series, early scouting by the field positioning guy they have. Melky in LF cuts down doubles and we’ve seen Damon have oppurtunities in this series.
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That’s an interesting take, Brandon. We did throw lefties in the first two games of the series, so that could have been a factor. Swish had a couple of dousies from RF as well, as I recall.
Let’s see how that plays out tonight, with another righty on the mound for us.
In any case, Gardner doesn’t have as bad an arm as Damon, and he makes pretty accurate throws – and you don’t need as much length from LF, so I’d just as soon let him play out there.
And I would still rather have Cabrera in CF. A good arm in CF has much relevance in preventing license for the extra base.
Berroa will kill the error-less streak. He sucks, really sucks.
If we are talking about moves that should have / shouldn’t have been made that would have contributed to Yankee prowess in alternate dimensions, I’d throw Sheffield in there. Cashman wanted Vladdy G., the Boss wanted Sheffield. Vlad has struggled in the postseason though, but I would have liked him.
Nick in SF -
I was ready for 3-4, so already, they’ve made me happy. But I still want a win tonight, greedy little Yankee fan that I am.
trisha – OPPC member
June 1st, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Erica, how are you feeling?
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Not good at all. It turns out I have that same strain of the flu as the swine flu (but it might not necessarily be it). I am now on antibiotics. I also can’t leave my house until my doctors appointment on Thursday. Which means I am missing work until Friday at least. I also just woke up from a nap with a nasty case of chills which means the fever is back. So I am just pretty miserable
But thanks so much for asking.
Come on, Brandon, right now, Corona can’t hit AAA pitching and he’s definately not a shortstop. He plays a fairly good 2nd base, but, he’s a butcher at shortstop.
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That he is. I have witnessed that myself – and he is much better at 2B.
Am I the only one excited about the chance to eclipse a Red Sox record tonight?
“It may take all 7, but I think we get it done. Just need to take the first 2.”
Definitely need the first two, especially since game 5 will be in Orlando. I hate 2-3-2 series.
there is no reason for berroa to be on the roster let alone in the lineup and the same for tomko. both these guys are mid 30′s journeyman with no upside.
pena not hitting righty does not change this equation. why the hell play berroa and set yourself up for a 2nd guess.. why do mamangers like to try to show how smart the yare?
Damon not starting no problem, he is banged up for a change and that is girardi’s perogative to decide when a guy needs a day off.
berroa playing is a total joke…..
Cabrera-Berroa-Gardner… 3 automatic outs at the bottom
Wouldn’t expect much offense tonight… Sowers is a typical soft tossing lefty with good control, a la JA Happ. They always seem to own us.
Hope Joab can keep us in the game
“Berroa will kill the error-less streak. He sucks, really sucks.”
Awwww and that inexperienced organization known as the New York Yankees actually believe he doesn’t suck, he really doesn’t suck!
Now how do we bridge this gap?
What is Girardi doing???!??! It’s not like we’re 10 games ahead… playing berroa? PLAY PENA! I feel like girardi cares more about feelings then playing…SEND BERROA down and bring up shelley duncan! None the less him starting him!??! Im shocked…and Brett Gardner playing? WHERE’s DAMON? He’s been one of the hottest hitters all year, DH him! And let arod play 3rd, he can handle it!
At the time I remember being irritated that the Yanks went for Sheffield over Vladimir, but I have to say I really enjoyed watching Sheff bat over the years. I can’t say I’m that disappointed over the choice.
Beltran, that’s another issue.
Look at the bright side. Berroa may be old but, at least he is fresh.
Unless you count picking up the bats and putting them back on the rack as heavy labor.
“If one whines in the woods with nobody there to hear them whine, is it really considered whining?”
Yes. You can whine anywhere. It just seems more prevalent here.
I’m waiting for the Yankees to jump out to a 4 inning 10-0 lead – and then the skies will open tonight. It will rain cats and dogs and Berroas. Still not an official game – it will be the first witnessed LoHUD blog miracle. Water will turn into whine.
stuart, your beef is over Berroa being on the team at all. But if he is on the team, then a start a month is not unreasonable, IMO.
jake
June 1st, 2009 at 4:51 pm
What is Girardi doing? Im shocked…and Brett Gardner playing? WHERE’s DAMON? He’s been one of the hottest hitters all year, DH him! And let arod play 3rd, he can handle it!
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A-Rod has played every game at 3rd except for one other, in which he DHed, since he came back. He did have major hip surgery. I would rather him have a half day off than lose him at the end of the season cause his hip fell apart.
Lonnie June 1st, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Joe Torre would have had this team 15 games over because:
1. He would have handled the clubhouse better. The team is as tight as a drum especially in big spots. That is a reflection of the manager. They panic. They don’t have the mental toughness that Torre brought. Gardner would have stolen if Torre was here. He wouldn’t be timid and afraid of being caught. The team has a pessimistic outlook on things.
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I couldn’t even continue reading the rest of the post. Holy crap!
What team have you been watching this season?
Erica
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June 1st, 2009 at 4:47 pm
trisha – OPPC member
June 1st, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Erica, how are you feeling?
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Not good at all. It turns out I have that same strain of the flu as the swine flu (but it might not necessarily be it). I am now on antibiotics. I also can’t leave my house until my doctors appointment on Thursday. Which means I am missing work until Friday at least. I also just woke up from a nap with a nasty case of chills which means the fever is back. So I am just pretty miserable
But thanks so much for asking.
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Erica,
Do yourself a favor and get a probiotics supplement after you finish your antiobiotic course.
Another thing I’d do: get yourself some raw miso, the kind that is in the refrigerated section. Boil the water first, THEN put the miso in – don’t ever let the miso boil. You can add fresh garlic and fresh ginger – lots of it. You get the live cultures from the miso and it’s natural antibiotic properties. It will also help liberate the B vitamins in your body – which you’ll need to handle the stress the flu causes.
And if you’re not allergic to bees – get yourself some raw honey, made from wildflowers. Don’t heat it at all – don’t even put it in warm tea. But take a full teaspoonful morning and night. Has very powerful antibacterial properties – but make sure it’s from wildflowers. The company Really Raw makes a great one, and eat the crystallized top as well. Unless, of course, you are diabetic, in which case, the honey is not a good idea.
I would also consider grating an ounce of raw ginger root, and again, don’t boil, but simmer. Drink this frequently.
Hope you feel better soon.
“Cabrera-Berroa-Gardner… 3 automatic outs at the bottom”
Huh? I am happy to take Berroa out of this discussion because we haven’t seen a lot of him to make that kind of judgement, pro or con. But Melky and Gardner? Melky has the highest BA on the Yankees! Can you do that and be an automatic out?????
vin,
Just read an amazing (sorry, my new favorite word) stat. Since the Lakers “acquired” Gasol, they’ve never lost 3 consecutive games.
Pena has 3 errors and a .951 fielding percentage
It’s not like this guy is Omar Vizquel.
Beroa playing is fine
Fatcessa you mean to tell me you don’t know the Coke commercial ? give him the lie detector test.
jake, how did you italicize your text?
“I really enjoyed watching Sheff bat over the years.”
Yeah, even though I wanted Vlad, I liked Sheff’s presence at the plate and that mad look in his eyes.
^^^oh, and simmer the ginger root for 10 minutes. No boiling ofcourse. Strain and drink.
That is not the real SJ. He’s not an ignorant, insulting SOB when it comes to talking about Yankee players. He may think someone isn’t playing well but he’s not so limited that he can’t make the point without taking really pathetic shots.
Bodhi with the herbal healing! Nice.
Lonnie
June 1st, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Joe Torre would have had this team 15 games over because:
1. He would have handled the clubhouse better. The team is as tight as a drum especially in big spots. That is a reflection of the manager. They panic. They don’t have the mental toughness that Torre brought. Gardner would have stolen if Torre was here. He wouldn’t be timid and afraid of being caught. The team has a pessimistic outlook on things.
2. Joba would definitely be in the pen under Torre. You think he is going to send out Coke/Edwar/Veras when he has Joba there? Torre had a ton of power as was evident in his book.
3. He would have handled the bullpen much better. Not trotted out Veras and co everyday to blow games. He would have given young guys a chance. He wouldn’t yank guys in the middle of innings or put put guys who are terrible
4. He would not play “pick a name out of a hat” with the lineups. He would have one lineup that he used 162 times.
5. The team in general would have more of a swagger about them. They would believe they can make the playoffs because Torre did 13 years in a row.
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When I read this post, at first I thought it was an argument of why Girardi is better than Torre.
1) This team is looser than I’ve seen it in years. For the first time it feels like we can win every game no matter what the score is in the ninth.
2) Joba would not be in the pen under Torre because Cashman/Ownership make that decision. And if Torre would have Joba in the pen at this point, we’re lucky he’s gone.
3) The biggest weakness Torre had (and still has if you watch Dodger games) was bullpen management.
4) Lineups are often dictated by injuries. You may have noticed we’ve had a few this year.
5) Again, I’ve seen more swagger on the team this year than I’ve seen in years.
You seem to have a very short memory, which is a common symptom of the Joba to the bullpen fan.
“Am I the only one excited about the chance to eclipse a Red Sox record tonight?”
Hell no! I am very very excited about that!
Francis
June 1st, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Cabrera-Berroa-Gardner… 3 automatic outs at the bottom
Wouldn’t expect much offense tonight… Sowers is a typical soft tossing lefty with good control, a la JA Happ. They always seem to own us.
Hope Joab can keep us in the game
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The Yanks 10-5 record against left handers says that you’re long on repeating what everyone cries about, but, short on actually checking the facts. Last year’s records don’t count this year.
bodhisattva – OPPC member – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
June 1st, 2009 at 4:53 pm
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I will definitely keep that in mind. Thank you! I am just hoping I feel a lot better by the end of the week.
Bodhisattva – you didn’t get your knowledge from Tor Akman did you?
I don’t want to hear Erica screaming – “I’m an eggplant! I’m an eggplant!”
“Since the Lakers “acquired” Gasol, they’ve never lost 3 consecutive games.”
That is intersting. If Odom shows up and Bynum can play like he was pre-injury, then things don’t bode well for the Magic. As always, Lamar is the key.
trisha – why do you like berroa so much? he sucks. that and he is atleast 50 years old
I would be happy to match anyone’s bet that the Cabrera-Berroa-Gardner combo will produce at least one hit between them.
(If that’s unclear, I am taking the affirmative side of the proposition)
In fact, I’m setting the o/u for hits from those 3 at 1.5 and I like the over.
trisha – OPPC member
June 1st, 2009 at 4:58 pm
“Am I the only one excited about the chance to eclipse a Red Sox record tonight?”
Hell no! I am very very excited about that!
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Haha. Seriously, for me thats the best part!
DT
June 1st, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Bodhisattva – you didn’t get your knowledge from Tor Akman did you?
I don’t want to hear Erica screaming – “I’m an eggplant! I’m an eggplant!”
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Hahaha, my voice is so gone right now- the ability to yell anything would be wonderful. As soon as I get the ability to yell back the first thing I will say is, “I’m an eggplant” in tribute to this blog
Let’s be honest, at the current time, is there really any difference between Pena and Berroa? I’m not sure there is. The lineup is fine. The bench has Damon, Matsui, Pena and Cervelli, not too shabby.
Berroa is awful… why is he still here? He hasn’t gotten an AB in over a month!
He is such a waste of a roster spot. Between him, Tomko, and Veras, I don’t know who is more useless.
Bring up Shelly Duncan instead
DT
June 1st, 2009 at 4:52 pm
“If one whines in the woods with nobody there to hear them whine, is it really considered whining?”
Yes. You can whine anywhere. It just seems more prevalent here.
I’m waiting for the Yankees to jump out to a 4 inning 10-0 lead – and then the skies will open tonight. It will ***rain cats and dogs and Berroas*** . Still not an official game – it will be the first witnessed LoHUD blog miracle. Water will turn into whine.
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Oh, my!!!
Erica, I believe in trying anything to make yourself feel better (within reason of course) but unfortunately the flu plain sucks.
I know that the one thing I am always told is to drink plenty of fluids. That helps to flush the germs out I guess! It can’t hurt right?
Erica lets be honest w/ the snr. veteran at 3B I predict we will not eclipse that errorless record tonight.
Angel Berroa: Called useless by fans since 1894.
But he’s lasted longer than anyone in MLB. In fact, the logo was modeled after him.
Brandon ? Is Berroa really starting today ????
June 1st, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Erica lets be honest w/ the snr. veteran at 3B I predict we will not eclipse that errorless record tonight.
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In all due respect, I hope Berroa reads this blog and has the defensive game of his career tonight out of spite
Francis
June 1st, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Cabrera-Berroa-Gardner… 3 automatic outs at the bottom
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Just wondering why Melky still qualifies as an automatic out when he leads the team with a .323 batting average and took an 8 game hitting streak into the game he got hurt?
Thx.
“Bring up Shelly Duncan instead”
Even worse.
The Snr. citzen will make atleast 2 errors tonight
I HOPE the official scorer gives the Indians basehits rather than errors though.
trisha – OPPC member
June 1st, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Erica, I believe in trying anything to make yourself feel better (within reason of course) but unfortunately the flu plain sucks.
I know that the one thing I am always told is to drink plenty of fluids. That helps to flush the germs out I guess! It can’t hurt right?
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I have been drinking so much water. In my final public appearance this mornimg, I picked up a few bottles of G2 just to change it up. I hadn’t tried G2 before- its actually pretty good
“Angel Berroa: Called useless by fans since 1894.”
In Cuba.
“Francis
June 1st, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Cabrera-Berroa-Gardner… 3 automatic outs at the bottom
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Just wondering why Melky still qualifies as an automatic out when he leads the team with a .323 batting average and took an 8 game hitting streak into the game he got hurt?
Thx.”
im also wondering how gardy is an automatic out…he made some dumb mistakes but he is batting 270
Wondering what Berroa’s numbers against Livan is like over the past century
“trisha – why do you like berroa so much? he sucks. that and he is atleast 50 years old”
fred, I like the fact that Berroa knows how to play in the majors. For the limited playing time he gets, I feel much more comfortable having him come off the bench when he does than watching a rookie get the same limited playing time and then try to come off the bench or play a position.
He’s here in the event that Arod needs some backup. He is as good a bet to keep around for that purpose as anyone. Why take playing time away from someone in the minors who really needs to keep getting the time in?
Unlike a lot of the posters on this forum, I do not panic, or do I kneejerk, nor do I stomp my little foot when things don’t go the way I think they should. I am patient, I know how to look at the big picture, and above all, I *KNOW* THE YANKEE ORGANIZATION CAN SKATE CIRCLES AROUND MY TAKE ON WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN TO THE YANKEES.
Maybe that comes with maturity. If so, I hope to hell that a lot of posters here get past puberty quickly! The w***ing is SOOOO old!
Colin Curtis, Jorge Vasquez, and Mike Dunn for Houston Street
Can’t help but laugh that Girardi is giving Berroa a charity start. Go Yanks! Joba better be on his game tonight with this lineup…
this may be sacriledge however, i did care more about retaining the “games without and error” streak, then i did winning the game yesterday. Definitely a record to be very proud of, if they can break it this evening.
hopefully…
Trisha, will you admit that at least some of the Berroa jokes are kinda funny?
SJ44: was that post yours or was it an imposter? If it was you, you’ve been called out as an “ignorant, insulting SOB” for making a harmless Berroa joke.
Hmmmm, by implication that insult applies to quite a few on this board… Best not to name names, but the guilty parties know who they are.
I love the 3 automatic out comments pertaining to Melky-Berroa-Gardner. Have any of you paid attention to the other lineups the Yanks play? Yesterday against the Indians? Did you see that lineup? So according to those people the Indians had 9 automatic outs yesterday and they still won. Hmmmmm. Nobody has a deeper lineup than the Yanks, nobody. So on a day when we rest guys people complain. The expectations around here are unbelievable and laughable. SJ is dead on in regards to the whiners.
Gardner— not only is he an automatic out, he also is a terrible CF who lost us 2 games this week alone, and he has no idea how to run the bases
He has gotten on base 41 times and only attempted to steal 11.
He is pretty useless. What good is a pinch runner who is timid? Go out and get Scott Podsedink or someone. Same speed, but aggressive.
Jeter not only needs two runs for 1500, but, two hits for 2600. I’d take a pair of Jeter homers in the first inning, just to get the circus over with.
Yes, I’m kidding about the circus.
“Erica lets be honest w/ the snr. veteran at 3B I predict we will not eclipse that errorless record tonight.”
Brandon, I agree with you that it isn’t always easy to play a position after sitting on the bench for the majority of the time (and even more so for a rookie than for a seasoned major leaguer). However, like Erica, I would prefer to be hopeful that he has a perfect game.
Are you hoping he gets some errors?
“ignorant, insulting SOB”
Nick, is that the new OPPC?
S-S-S-S-S-SNAKE!!!!!!!!!!!
Losing this game tonight would be a brutal
To win the first 2 games of this series, only to settle for a split against a last place team is terrible.
And look at the pitching matchup tonight. Sowers? We should pound him
Zach, I never think it is funny to make fun of other people.
“Colin Curtis, Jorge Vasquez, and Mike Dunn for Houston Street”
Colin Curtis they’d take as a filler, Vasquez is a 1B/ more of a DH, Dunn is our next LH reliever who the organization is high on.
All signs point to no.
Where is Miguel Cairo when we need him!!
I can safely say that some of us in here have lost the OPPC card today.
“ignorant, insulting SOB”
Not Tom dear. It’s a lot of posters on this forum when it comes to their discussion about Yankee players who aren’t performing well (are you one of them?) but it certainly isn’t SJ’s style. To his great credit I may add.
“Eric Duncan and AJack collided in the OF forcing AJack to drop a ball he had caught that was then ruled a triple.”
Clumsy stupid Duncan.
“fred, I like the fact that Berroa knows how to play in the majors.”
pena also knows how to play in the majors, as he’s demonstrated on a few occasions. by that rationale, you’d rather have an all-veteran bench. your logic is unsound here.
berroa may have forgotten more than we’ll ever know about “how to play in the majors” but that doesn’t mean he plays well. he’s immobile and hamfisted in the field and he hasn’t exactly set the world on fire at the plate. at least pena can pick it.
I heard that Berroa has a lot of experience playing with midges flying around. That should explain it.
The game is still an hour and 45 minutes away, and people are talking about a loss already? Jesus….grow up….show a little patience. If your heart (or brain) can’t handle the pressure, don’t listen, don’t read, don’t watch, but most of all, for God’s sake and other readers, don’t post.
My prediction is that Berroa will make an error at 3b to end the team’s errorless streak. Another brilliant managerial move by Joe Girardi.
I’m really trying to look for the positive in this Berroa start. (don’t want my OPPC membership revoked!)
Sure Angel hasn’t had a hit since April 28 – but Girardi is one smart cookie!
In his MLB career (not counting his service in the Negro or Federal Leagues)
Angel Berroa is 3 for 11 on June 1st – with all his hits being doubles!
If Angel hits a double tonight – don’t be surprised.
Well, good luck to Angel Berroa tonight. Hope he has a good game. Really hope so. Really starting to hope nothing is hit to third tonight. I hope Joba strikes everyone out. Isn’t Berroa at 3rd kind of tempting the fates? What about Pena? I know Berroa hasn’t started in awhile and deserves to de-numb his butt and remove the splinters and all, but……. (You all know I never complain about the lineup.)
Anyway, back to positive thoughts. Berroa will be so happy to be starting the game, I predict he will be the star of said game.
Brandon ? Is Berroa really starting today ????
June 1st, 2009 at 5:21 pm
“Eric Duncan and AJack collided in the OF forcing AJack to drop a ball he had caught that was then ruled a triple.”
Clumsy stupid Duncan.
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Why? Because Duncan has not lived up to the promise? It was a ball hit into “No Man’s Land? and they both called for the ball, and didn’t see or hear the other.
kasey, I would still rather have a major-league tested player than a AA player. I know it will be against posters’ religion to acknowledge anything that might show a positive about Berroa but in terms of playing for the errorless record, if you took a poll and asked whether someone would prefer someone at a position who had played for a while in the majors or a AA player, we all know the AA player wouldn’t win. Unless it was this blog and the Berroa haters were out in force.
Did you know Pena has made 3 errors this season? Why put that kind of pressure on the kid.
Doreen
June 1st, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Well, good luck to Angel Berroa tonight. Hope he has a good game. Really hope so. Really starting to hope nothing is hit to third tonight. I hope Joba strikes everyone out. Isn’t Berroa at 3rd kind of tempting the fates? What about Pena? I know Berroa hasn’t started in awhile and deserves to de-numb his butt and remove the splinters and all, but……. (You all know I never complain about the lineup.)
Anyway, back to positive thoughts. Berroa will be so happy to be starting the game, I predict he will be the star of said game.
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Pena as a late inning replacement on a potentially bad playing field?
i still laugh when i think of the Lou Rawls reference…
“Why? Because Duncan has not lived up to the promise?”
Yes !
Tim Sherman, if Berroa has an errorless game will you come on and tell everyone what a big asswipe you were to say what you did? That question is for all of you who have already predicted Berroa will have an error. Or will you just skulk away pretending you never said a word?
By the way, people don’t HAVE to make predictions on what Berroa will do on third.
Like the other rational and intelligent posters on this forum, I am hoping for the best.
I can definitely respect your position Trisha. For the record, I mean no invidiousness or malice with the Berroa jokes.
“Unlike a lot of the posters on this forum, I do not panic, or do I kneejerk, nor do I *stomp my little foot* when things don’t go the way I think they should. I am patient, I know how to look at the big picture, and above all, I KNOW THE YANKEE ORGANIZATION CAN SKATE CIRCLES AROUND MY TAKE ON WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN TO THE YANKEES.
Maybe that comes with maturity. If so, I hope to hell that a lot of posters here *get past puberty* quickly! The w***ing is SOOOO old!”
“*S-S-S-S-S-SNAKE*!!!!!!!!!!!”
“I never think it is funny to make fun of other people.”
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The above comments were posted by someone claming to be “Trisha – OPPC member”. Please consider that that is not the real Trisha. She’s not an ignorant, insulting *** when it comes to talking about LoHud commenters. She may think someone isn’t commenting well but she’s not so limited that she can’t make the point without taking really pathetic shots.
Plus, the real Trisha is on the record as thinking it’s funny to make fun of other people (examples: Ortiz, Papelbon, Pedroia, Youkalis, etc.)
girardi is stacking a righty lineup
Brandon ? Is Berroa really starting today ????
June 1st, 2009 at 5:29 pm
“Why? Because Duncan has not lived up to the promise?”
Yes !
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So that makes him clumsy and stupid? Jesus, man….how about a little perspective.
Dear Lord I think this board was more positive last season when we were going through hell the first half of the season.
If only there was a way to ignore certain people like on the ESPN board.
GB7 -
I’m not sure what you mean? That Pena will make a mistake after coming in as a late inning defensive replacement? Me no speeka dee ingleesh today, I guess.
You know, the errorless streak is cool and all, and it really would be a nice thing, I guess, if they break a record held by the Red Sox, but I just want them to win the game. And as many games as possible with or without committing errors. And I think someone else today pointed out that making no errors is not the same as making no mistakes.
Joba’s velocity has had dramatic decline.. I understand he is a starter. I’d sure like to see some of the velocity, sheesh.. I’d even settle for a consistent 94, but barely pushing 90 is reason for concern.
Francesa: Joba in the BP has nothing to do with performance as a starter.. it has to do with a need for SOMEONE in the BP worth a damn. Losing yesterday should open eyes to the fact that we can not lose games like that if we are to be the team to beat. Sorry, but I agree with Mike.. until there is another viable option.
S-S-S-S-S-S-S-SATAN!!!!!
…and for anyone that cares, Martin Scorcese is walking around MoMA right now.
I think I might ask him to autograph my chest.
Be right back…I’m going into stalker mode.
I’m not worried about 3B tonight after hearing this 2008 Berroa interview.
“His glove is illegal because he catches everything!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzgPdrUlk6E
Nady tried throwing today. He said he felt a little something. He’ll try to throw some tomorrow or Wednesday.
Also, Molina had a setback, too, and will be gone longer than thought. Per Murti
Doreen
June 1st, 2009 at 5:32 pm
GB7 –
I’m not sure what you mean? That Pena will make a mistake after coming in as a late inning defensive replacement? Me no speeka dee ingleesh today, I guess.
You know, the errorless streak is cool and all, and it really would be a nice thing, I guess, if they break a record held by the Red Sox, but I just want them to win the game. And as many games as possible with or without committing errors. And I think someone else today pointed out that making no errors is not the same as making no mistakes.
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No, just that I would prefer Pena as a late inning defensive replacement over Berroa, especially on a field that might be less than perfect.
“So that makes him clumsy and stupid? Jesus, man….how about a little perspective.”
He almost DL’d my future CFer excuse me if I’m not happy w/ him right now.
GB7 -
That is not good news, especially on Nady.
Sweeny: Nady and Molina both had set backs today. Nady will try to throw again tomorrow he might be back later then expected because of that. Molina feel something in the leg so he will not be playing in games until it goes away.
At least they have Cervelli since Molina is probably another week or 2 away.
molina had a setback,felt pain in his quad,nady felt pain in elbow,a setback.
“I’m really trying to look for the positive in this Berroa start. (don’t want my OPPC membership revoked!)”
DT – you’re the one who came up with the OPPC test for membership!
* 1. Take the test. Which one are you?
1) Matsui sucks! What a piece of garbage! Trade him. DFA him. We will never win now. Chalk this one up in the loss column. That AB will lead to a long losing streak. This team has no heart. Fire Girardi. Fire Cashman. Fire the beat writers. $13 mil for this bum!*
*2) Ugh. Tough AB for Matsui. He swung at ball four. He’ll get them next time. This game isn’t over yet – 2 more innings and the score is tied! At least he went down swinging. Matsui scored on a SF earlier, at least he did something positive today.*
I would say that since you were the one who devised the test, you should be the one to judge whether or not someone has passed it. By definition you would be the only one who could revoke your own membership!
“Did you know Pena has made 3 errors this season? Why put that kind of pressure on the kid.”
what kind of pressure? that he might make an error in a baseball game on june 1 with a meaningless record on the line? i would be willing to bet that the errorless streak means more to you than it does to the yankees. this team cares about winning games, not besting some trivial red sox record.
“hey, we lost the game but that errorless streak is ours!” i bet they’d take six errors and a win today over a clean loss.
and, absolutely, you go poll major league scouts, managers and players as to whether they’d rather have berroa or pena at 3B. i would be willing to bet anything you like that the results will not support your opinion. pena’s a far better fielder than berroa and, at this point in their respective careers, he’s a better hitter, too.
Brandon,
It’s not like he tried to Nancy Kerrigan him. They were both chasing down a ball, which, shockingly enough, is what outfielders do.
How bout you chill out there killer…
Berroa’s got more combined experience than everyone on the Yankee bench, including the ghost of Babe Ruth.
Even if Pena plays for the next hundred years, he wouldn’t catch up to Berroa’s experience.
In fact, a glimpse into the future:
2109 New York Yankees (posted by veteran sportswriter Pete Abe IV)
SS Sanderson Jeter V (5 year vet, great-grandmother is Minka Kelly’s secret daughter with the original Jeet)
RF Nicholas Swisher VI (rookie, either K’s or hits a homer and nothing else)
1B Marc Teixeira VI (up and coming slugger, 0 errors in career)
3B Emmanuel Rodriguez IV (caught using time machine technology to reduce his age, suspended 50 games for first offense the season before)
C Jorge Posada III (long time veteran, never smiles, feet made of lead)
2B Rob Cano IV (White teeth from great grandpa, powerful genes force him to swing even at intentional balls)
LF Melky Cabrera IV (Had an operation to replace his left arm with a cannon, fires baseballs to home plate at 150 mph)
3B Angel Berroa (yes, Berroa)
CF Gritty, Gutty Brett Gardner V (The fifth name-carrier of the Gritty, Gutty moniker)
Again, the 5:32 post from “Trisha” is almost certainly an imposter. The real Trisha would never debase herself by engaging in cheap insults like “SNAKE” and “SATAN” while also decrying people who joke about Berroa as “ignorant, insulting SOB[s]” – that would be self-contradictory, hyprocritical, and downright silly.
Pete, we need registration to stop the fakes!
“The game is still an hour and 45 minutes away, and people are talking about a loss already? Jesus….grow up….show a little patience. If your heart (or brain) can’t handle the pressure, don’t listen, don’t read, don’t watch, but most of all, for God’s sake and other readers, don’t post.”
Amen, Amen, Amen, Amen, Amen, and Amen.
when anybody gets a chance, just post a photo of the trophy the yanks will be presented with tonight if they capture the errorless games streak championship.
you guys kill me.
Trisha – that sounds like something I would write, but I don’t now how to make those cute little rectangle boxes – I’m confused.
DB – (officially panicked 5/13/09)
June 1st, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Melky Carbrera 2009 UZR/150 LF 11.6 RF 24.3 CF 13.4
Brett Gardner 2009 UZR/150 LF 36.8 RF NONE CF 19.3
Whose the better fielder?
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I am not a disciple UZR. On it’s own, it’s not particularly productive, and it surely isn’t in such a small sample size.
But let’s play the UZR game, since you brought this up and threw it out there like it’s somehow conclusive.
According to current UZR (fangraphs, where you got your info from);
you would have to conclude that Gardner is a better defensive CF than:
BJ Upton, Curtis Granderson, and Coco Crisp.
And Torii Hunter, Ellsbury, Adam Jones, and Beltran don’t even make the conversation.
So according to you,
Gardner is not only defensively better than Melky,
he’s also better than all these guys, and MARKEDLY better than Hunter, Ellsbury, Jones, and Beltran.
Congratulations on a very credible argument.
I guess you’d take Gardner over all those other guys, eh?
Being that UZR is the be-all and end-all?
Incidentally, Gardner’s numbers aren’t from 2009 for LF.
And just so you know, a few weeks ago, Melky’s UZR was preclusively superior to Gardner’s.
if joba pitches well we will win with berroa at 3rd.
joba has to show some ba**s & pitch a good game.
berroa will get player of the game.
i also love the irony of trisha calling for maturity, then referring to somebody with the audacity to make a berroa joke as “SOB.” this, the same trisha who appears to be the poster most enthused about the “club” that exists here. maturity abounds!
Pena is 0-9 in 10 PA against lefties this season with 5 K’s and 1BB.
Berroa is 0-3 in 3 PA against lefties this season with 2 K’s.
I’ve got an idea. Let’s talk about something else.
Ugh, terrible news on Nady and Molina……….
I wouldn’t be shocked if Nady can’t make it all the way back.
McAlister and another prospect or two for Hawpe and Street from Rox.
Helps RF, helps pen.
Comment registration? I think Pete is too busy right now licking his wounds from the earlier post where people had the outrageous audacity to insult Springsteen.
And cream caddis at dusk if Joba’s around that long.
No freaking midges.
If there’s a new species hatching this evening get the latest here.
So much for the team becoming whole again – I almost wonder if that’s going to happen this year.
I see nothing but good coming from firing the beat writers and the daily disaster of the interviewer. Just imagine a summer without the daily digs at players seen as unworthy of the writers’ respect. No made up stories or childish jealousies of players, front office personnel or whining about “juiced ballparks”. Perhaps they’d actually have to actually come up with a story about “juiced baseballs” as opposed to conspiracy theories about ballparks.
I think God will forgive me for the Berroa jokes.
I used to volunteer at the nursing home. How bad can I be?
We sang Christmas Carols to them during the holidays!
I love old people!
Kasey, Berroa is in the game. I am okay with it. In any event, I am also done talking about it since it isn’t an issue for me. Others here may want to continue because you are not the only poster upset about Berroa either being in the game or being on the roster.
Not good on the injury front, but Cervelli is more than serviceable as Posada’s back-up catcher for at least a couple more weeks.
Teams have injuries. It takes a miracle for a team to make it through an entire season without having to fill a hole somewhere on the 25 man due to injury. As far as I know, that miracle hasn’t happened yet for anyone.
joba’s era is just a 3.70?
really? wow the way some people here, or in the media, talk about him you would think his era was over 5.
berroa at third? hey, what are you going to do? i’d rather have him start the game and pena finish it then vice versa.
It’s a good thing to hear that they are at least talking about Wang going back to the rotation. That is a start…Now hopefully they make the right decision…
Meanwhile, Xavier Nady started a throwing program today, felt discomfort in his right elbow and stopped throwing. He’ll try again tomorrow. Nady was diagnosed with a torn ligament in April but both parties agreed to try a course of rehab and experimental platelet injections in hopes of avoiding surgery. Today’s setback does not necessarily mean surgery will ultimately be required. But it’s certainly not good news for Nady.
That means swisher stayes in rf for the year, OMG!!!
bad news on nady. they could use him more than molina at this point as cisco has been more than serviceable behind the plate.
If Girardi said he and Cashman will talk about CMW returning as a starter, consider it done.
He wouldn’t offer that as a possibility if it wasn’t already discussed and decided. This is a guy who wouldn’t even acknowledge an injury when you see it with your own eyes.
kasey, you misunderstood my intent dear. There are people here who continually call Yankee players the most hideous names when they just can’t deal with the fact that the players aren’t perfect. I certainly consider that kind of behavior entirely ignorant. My point was that SJ has never shown himself to by that kind of person.
Okay dokey?
Good news coming soon (hopefully) on Wang, but too bad on Molina and Nady. Not a good good-to-bad-news ratio. Thank goodness for Cervelli.
DT
June 1st, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Bodhisattva – you didn’t get your knowledge from Tor Akman did you?
I don’t want to hear Erica screaming – “I’m an eggplant! I’m an eggplant!”
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LOL.
Nah, just found a way out in lieu of doctors who try to murder you, and then do a handshake with the pharmacist over your earth body.
DT – the rectangle box was an accident! I’ll see if I can back up to the post to see what I did to make it happen.
As soon as there is a reasonable offer for a power hitting corner outfielder, NYY will make one. I’d seriously doubt that would include McAllister, who by next year will be #6 in the pitching rotation structure.
Great…. now Swisher is the RF for the forseeable future
Cashman needs to get another RH bat to play the OF now.
“There are people here who continually call Yankee players the most hideous names when they just can’t deal with the fact that the players aren’t perfect.”
Trish, you were calling them immortals. Somebody else can call them scumbags or whatever it is. It’s the same thing.
Now, can we just stop whining and get to some baseball talk. Like is Joba going to “pound” the zone or “attack” the zone tonight?
Discuss…
They can deal without Molina, that is really not a big deal. Cervelli is perfectly fine filling in for him. I really hope that Nady is able to come back. But it sounds like he could be done. Having pain after just making a couple of throws does not sound good. Swish playing everyday is not a good thing. Nady could probably come back even with his noodle arm it isn’t like Swish ever uses his arm to help the team anyway. You know like air mailing the ball to the plate….
bodhisattva, at least I gave you some data to back up what I said..What evidence do you have that says Melky is a better Centerfielder? Surely the statement was inferred with this comment..
bodhisattva – OPPC member – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
June 1st, 2009 at 4:02 pm
Dan
June 1st, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Why is Gardner in there after the terrible game he had yesterday?
Because the Yankees continue to labor under the illusion that Gardner’s plus speed equals plus center field defense.
Because, actually his plus speed does equate to better defense at a position where you have to cover the most ground. Not to mention he takes better routes to balls than Melky..yesterday being the exception to the norm.
Again, the 5:32 post from “Trisha” is almost certainly an imposter. The real Trisha would never debase herself by engaging in cheap insults like “SNAKE” and “SATAN” while also decrying people who joke about Berroa as “ignorant, insulting SOB[s]” – that would be self-contradictory, hyprocritical, and downright silly.
Pete, we need registration to stop the fakes!
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That does it!! We need finger print and eye scanners for this OPPC thing. Im getting confused here. So if someone loses it on this blog, can we just blame an imposter?
I like Trish just like most here. But can we quit making her out to be judge judy? We all know when we’re being babies and when we’re just frustrated. At least i hope we do. And i cant really think of any reason right now to be frustrated when we are in first place and about to break the all time errorless streak record. Can we put that on a plaque or something?
bru
Berroa will get player of the game? You were joking, right?
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Maybe the great NY Yankee brain trust can find someone
better than Berroa maybe not. He is not that good, don’t make him out to be better than he is.
If Nady can’t play the field… then I would DFA him.
I mean, how does he help us as a DH platoon with Matsui? Especially when A-Rod now needs the DH often as well, as does Posada. All it does is clog up the roster even more.
Nady as a DH has no place on this team. All it does it take away ABs from superior players (Matsui, Posada, A-Rod) and keeps the terrible Swisher in right.
DT: I have no doubt that you will pass the OPPC test. Just be careful if you have to take the IISOB test.
Joba needs to be able to go deep in games. Period. If he can’t consistently deliver 6 and 7 inning outings, he’s no help as a starter.
Some folks may recoil at the thought of him in the bullpen, but if he can’t provide length as a starter, that’s where he’s headed.
Can’t live with Swisher in right all year
Cash needs to go out and get a RFer now along with bullpen help.
I don’t think Lindan, John Rodriquez, Duncan are the answers.
Green Beret:
So let me get this straight, you comment and read a blog by a beat writer that provides the latest Yankees information but you want the beat writers fired?
That makes perfect sense. Whatever branch of the service you were in, I’m guessing it wasn’t intelligence.
Stultus, hopefully its pound the zone…however, if he is missing his velocity again the margin for error just gets smaller.
I’m hoping to see some 94mph cheese from him out of the gate. Usually when he does that he can dial it up to 95-96 when he needs to.
what’s an OPPC?
do i lose just for having to ask?
ZMan,
Agree 100%. You can’t have Hughes and Joba in the rotation going 5 innings every night. Considering Burnett has never been much of a workhorse either… you could be exposing 3-4 innings of our terrible bullpen every night.
That’s why Wang is so important. And Joba needs to show something tonight. Another 4.2 IP, 4 ER, 5 BB performance does nothing for us.
Those comments are all by Trisha, who is apparently even less lucid than usual. It’s no imposter.
Pete — nice retort!
GB7 -
Thanks for the translation.
I agree.
Sorry DT, can’t get back to the post! Any idea on how to do that?
LOL Pete
Joker, I’d like to see Melky in RF for the rest of the season. He has the best arm by far.
Yankees hitters will destroy Jeremy Sowers, most hitters are .500+ against him.
But …..
Berroa 0 for 3
Melky 1 for 14
Matsui never face him.
Damon can ph late, he at .556 against Sowers with 9 ABs. And Pena is 1 for 2.
So does this set back for Nady mean he can’t be a pinch hitter off the bench?
He can at the very least platoon with Matsui has a DH. or be a pinch hitter.
Goodnight everyone.
My Scorcese stalking mission ended rather anticlimactically…Basically, I chickened out. We’re not supposed to fraternize with museum patrons anyways.
Oh well.
Jobber’s gonna be lights out tonight. Go team!
“If Nady can’t play the field… then I would DFA him.
I mean, how does he help us as a DH platoon with Matsui? Especially when A-Rod now needs the DH often as well, as does Posada. All it does is clog up the roster even more.
Nady as a DH has no place on this team. All it does it take away ABs from superior players (Matsui, Posada, A-Rod) and keeps the terrible Swisher in right.
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what good does a DFA do? it’s a waste of money and we’ll have to hear what a mistake it was everytime he has a good game with whatever team picks him up…
How does he help as a DH platoon with Matsui? umm, he’s right handed.
A-Rod hasn’t been at DH all that much. Pay attention.
S.o.S.: I admit it, the Judge Judy reference made me smile, although I don’t know if I completely get it.
All kidding aside, there may very well have been an imposter at work, as some of the comments in question (though not the ones I specified) have disappeared. Either an imposter or selective moderating? Who can tell in these crazy, mixed up times?
Why does Cashman need to get a RH bat? We have Jeter, Teixeira, Al, Posada, and Cabrera.
Amen Alex. These 100-pitch 4 – 5 inning outings are excruciating, and not what contributes to a team making the playoffs.
And just for you bodhisattva, Melky’s rating is his best in RF
maybe in his next life someone can tell jose molina being a pro athlete and being 25 pounds overweight is probably not a good thing for limiting injuries…
i see the downers and lunatics are out in full force so early tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
please g-d let’s say goodbye to berroa, tomko, and veras soon…………….
Berroa? Seriously?
There goes the errorless record.
The DH spot should be Matsui, plus a lot of Posada.
A-Rod is going to to DH more often too
Do we really need Nady there too? Nady’s value is when he plays the field.
When we have our full lineup there, we don’t need pinch hitters. As soon as interleague play is over, Nady is pretty useless.
Ooops, just saw Pete’s 6:01 comment.
Um… now I don’t know what to think.
Yikes!
Go Yankees?
Pete, nobody was seriously suggesting I was an imposter. Coming from you, I take the “less lucid than usual” as a compliment since that’s probably one of the nicest insults you’ve used on anyone here. Thank you!
By the way, my guess is that there are posters here who consider me extremely lucid. Maybe they’re not Springsteen worshippers but there are things that recommend them as pretty good and sensible people.
Cashman is going to use his prospects to get a relief pitcher way before he would use them to get a RF that will bat 7th in the lineup. They can live with Gardner and Swish in RF if they had to. They can’t live with the characters they have in the bullpen now.
Either an imposter or selective moderating? Who can tell in these crazy, mixed up times?
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Nick, are you referring to post 9/11 era or “the post 1/6 era”.
ps. Angel Berroa was signed on January 6.
Ah I’m getting it. Once again Pete is upset that he didn’t get his way and have Berroa drawn and quartered so those of us who aren’t Berroa haters better duck.
man Pete is on fire today lol
Yeah… Berroa is such a great use of a roster spot, these are his first ABs in almost a month.
PA
June 1st, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Green Beret:
So let me get this straight, you comment and read a blog by a beat writer that provides the latest Yankees information but you want the beat writers fired?
That makes perfect sense. Whatever branch of the service you were in, I’m guessing it wasn’t intelligence.
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a little over sensitive, huh? You have zero problems making petty digs at anyone you chose. As you’ve often said…it’s an opinion that everyone’s welcome to express. Maybe you’d have a reason to say something had I made a direct comment about your intelligence or other things….I didn’t. It’s a guarantee that I did my job as well or better than you do your’s. I never let personal prejudices to color facts.
S.o.S.: I admit it, the Judge Judy reference made me smile, although I don’t know if I completely get it.
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No worries Nick. Most of the stuff i throw out there i dont get either. My style is throw as many stuff against the wall and see what sticks. Not as gifted as you or some other posters. So i have to really in out working, grinding and being gritty.
My point is we dont need a judge in here to tell us when we’ve lost our gang privilages/membership. Pete does a good enough job of deleting trolls. OPPC has made us all gun shy. Lets just be ourselves dammitt!!
Exactly Rachel
Cashman needs to use our chips to get some bullpen help. A better RFer is a luxury… the bullpen is an absolute necessity.
Pete is on fire tonight.
Don’t forget that we have Ransom coming back sooner or later too. They’ll probably hold on to Berroa until then. He is more than servicable at 3B and can play just about anywhere.
im not really sure how barroa has become the target of so much abuse on this site. the guy is a professional hitter, with a proven track record, and versatility in the field. yes, he is a reserve now, but he is more than adequate as a 25th man. find something else to be insane about.
Zach: How about the era since tonight’s lineup came out? That one is crazy enough. Some of the things that have been written in this thread are quite odd.
Ahhhh, But GB7 you have really stepped up the last little while.Really cut down on the errors. I am impressed
Go out and get DeRosa
He can play RF too.
i optimistically said the yanks were going to go 5-2 on the road trip, and with one more win they will prove me right!
go yankees!
Don’t you understand, Mrs. Berroa called Joe G. and demanded that he play her son. That’s how it works these days. Poor Joe didn’t even know he had a guy named Berroa on the team. His reply to her was, “Can he work the 7th for me? Cashman said he’d get me some bullpen help.”
So if Joba can’t give length as a starter he should be in the bullpen? But, the fact he’s pitched at least 6+ innings more times (5) than Hughes (2), says he should be in the bullpen? Why no talk of Hughes being transitioned to the pen? I’m just curious. I’m not trying to step on toes or anything
Tom Tresh 15
June 1st, 2009 at 6:14 pm
Ahhhh, But GB7 you have really stepped up the last little while.Really cut down on the errors. I am impressed
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That’s because I quit letting the dog read over my shoulder. He couldn’t spell for crap. Using a dictionary also helps a liile.
Even though I would prefer joba in the pen, I still want him to pitch well tonight. Cleveland hitters are going to make him throw strikes. I just hope he has command and he’s throwing 92-95
I am as positive as they come.
I don’t think that questioning the value of Angel Berroa on this team qualifies as being negative.
He rarely plays.
He does not inspire confidence when he does.
Which is not to say he won’t, in fact, have a very good game tonight.
Positivity is allowing for the possibility that such outcomes could in fact occur in spite of all signs to the contrary.
I don’t think the Yankees will lose this game simply because Angel Berroa gets a start. And I think the bigger fish here is Joba having a really good start tonight.
S.o.S..: gotcha. I’ve never seen Judge Judy, so I thought I might have been missing a layer to the reference.
I can only speak for myself, but I have no problem remaining both optimistic and realistic about the Yankees while still being myself. The reviews are… mixed.
Chris — Joba has had quite a few more starts than Hughes, so I don’t think your count is a fair one.
Crappy news regarding Nady and Molina.
Though the good news is that the Wanger may be back in the rotation soon.
vb03 (Gehrig to Gardner: Memoirs of a Utility IF)
June 1st, 2009 at 4:24 pm
The time Berroa spent on the bench is a mere speck in his existence. Playing once a month feels like playing every day for the Ageless One.
Heck, he was benched for 2 months in 1894, setting the record for the longest an active player was out of the starting lineup. The record still stands today, 115 years later.
It’s not a big deal.
He crawled out of the lake by the mistake in prehistoric times and mastered the ancient art of communicating with and taming the midge. Now his secret talent and mind boggling roster inclusion will be known to all……
Did Berroa ever play with Horace Clarke?
“the guy is a professional hitter, with a proven track record, and versatility in the field”
So by “proven track record”, do you mean the one season out of seven that he was actually any good?
Tbe only track record is one of several years of extremely poor play in all aspects of the game.
Again, does anyone look up statistics?
Like him, don’t like him, but don’t build up Berroa to be anything close to being a good player, when he hasn’t been one since 2003.
LMAO pete
Actually, by my count tonight will mark Joba’s 10th start and Hughes has had 7 starts…So Joba has gone into the 6th inning 5 of 9 times…while Hughes has done it 2 out or 7.
Chris
June 1st, 2009 at 6:15 pm
So if Joba can’t give length as a starter he should be in the bullpen? But, the fact he’s pitched at least 6+ innings more times (5) than Hughes (2), says he should be in the bullpen? Why no talk of Hughes being transitioned to the pen? I’m just curious. I’m not trying to step on toes or anything.=============================================================
Its because when joba was in the pen, he showed the ability to be a dominant reliever. Hughes had one great outing in the post season and that was it.
At any rate, the “Angel Berroa is older than dirt” jokes are getting pretty stale and tiresome. Come up with some new material, guys! You’ve got it in you, you know it.
The Yankees have to replace MO someday and the Fans will not let it be just anyone that replaces him. Joba is a fan favorite already and can struggle in that role and not be booed early on. He has more chance of success in the closer role for the Yankees than anyone else, also think of the name he can make for himself as the Closer of the NEW YORK YANKEES. I say he could be one of the best closers of his time.
nyydj2 — ROFLMAO. Terrific imagery of Berroa crawling out of the Lake Erie primordial soup.
That being said, I hope Berroa goes five for five and plays sparkling defense.
I say that first as a Yankees fan, but also knowing it would mean a lot to his grandkids watching in the stands.
Yeah. not the best day to rest Damon when he kills this pitcher
If we get shut down by this guy like JA Happ did, we know where to look— Girardi.
“Did Berroa ever play with Horace Clarke?”
Berroa played with Horace Greeley.
Is this DeRosa they are interviewing?
Sounds like a great guy, Would love to have him here.
Wow. Mark DeRosa went to UPenn. Must be one of Gary G’s favorite players along with Ron Darling, who graduated from Yale.
Ok, I’m really going this time.
“im not really sure how barroa has become the target of so much abuse on this site. the guy is a professional hitter, with a proven track record, and versatility in the field. yes, he is a reserve now, but he is more than adequate as a 25th man. find something else to be insane about.”
Don’t confuse people here with facts when they are having so much fun sounding ridiculous.
There are people here who understand exactly what you have said about Berroa and agree. But there are also posters here who are professional complainers. If it isn’t about Berroa, it will be about something else.
Nick — very good!
I think a major thing with Joba, is does he have the mentality to be a successful closer? He was a dominant reliever, no doubt, BUT the ONLY time he ever had any hint of failure was that game int he postseason with the midges. Does Joba have the mentality to bounce back from a bad defeat int he bullpen to come back the next day? Some guys can do it (Mo), other guys can’t (Mark Wohlers, Byung Hyun Kim). You can NEVER know how a guy will do as a bullpen guy until he sees failure.
We all know what will happen
Berroa will go 0-3 with 2 Ks and 4 LOB. He will make an error (or botch a play that is ruled a base hit) that results in atleast a run
Donnie Baseball23
June 1st, 2009 at 6:20 pm
The Yankees have to replace MO someday and the Fans will not let it be just anyone that replaces him. Joba is a fan favorite already and can struggle in that role and not be booed early on. He has more chance of success in the closer role for the Yankees than anyone else, also think of the name he can make for himself as the Closer of the NEW YORK YANKEES. I say he could be one of the best closers of his time.
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the fans get no say who will replace mo.
And Trisha, I actually did think a few of those posts were made by an imposter trying to make you look bad.
I apologize for the error.
Credit Swisher for challenging walls and not running like he’s on eggshells ala Abreu, but his rainbow throws leave a lot to be desired.
Peter Abraham June 1st, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Those comments are all by Trisha, who is apparently even less lucid than usual. It’s no imposter.
so. awesome. so awesome.
this 14 game stretch is not going to be easy with texas, tampa, boston, and the mets.
i say they will go 9-5, any other predictions?
there are 162 games being played here, every day there are different reasons for doing different things that don’t fit the norm, ya just gotta have faith people, this is the yankees
I for one, am in strong support of Joba remaining in the rotation. Does anybody realize that thru his first 20 starts he has better numbers than Sandy Koufax, Bob Gibson, Johan Santana, Roy Halladay and Randy Johnson had in their first 20 starts? It’s far too early to pull the plug on Joba as a starter. If, after he’s had 50 starts under his belt and he’s still struggling to get thru 5 innings, then you can spark the debate. But until then, back off him. He’s young
Andy Pettitte threw in the bullpen and said he’ll make his start on Wednesday. Wonder what that means for Wang/Hughes?
https://twitter.com/BloggingBombers
“rainbow throws”
lmao!
Great news everyone. I found a deli to deliver me matzo ball soup.
Pete -
I just read your latest update. So proud of you!
(Did that guy on YES just say the Yankees fell 4-3 in Cleveland yesterday?????? Hello???????)
So, they apparently still feel more comfortable having that extra insurance just in case ARod’s hip should flare up. Like you said, so be it. They really could use another outfielder, but just because Girardi said what he said doesn’t mean they might not be working on something else in the outfield, especially in view of Nady’s set back today.
All starts with Joba tonight
If he throws strikes, attacks, is economical, and doesn’t throw 5 mediocre innings and 100 pitches with 4-5 walks… then it shouldn’t matter what lineup we put out there.
Can’t assume we’re going to kill Sowers. He is in the same mold as JA Happ, a soft tossing lefty junkballer. Joba needs to keep us in the game
Green Beret:
Wishing that people lose their jobs is ridiculously cruel in this economy. So the families of those who cover baseball can just line up for food stamps? Thanks a lot.
I work hard at my job and if you think I’m just going to let somebody disparage my profession, you’re wrong. People who cover baseball, 99 percent of us, love the game and only want to pass on good, accurate information to people who also love the game. I don’t do this to get rich, I do this because I enjoy it and 99 percent of the people I come across and who read my stories are great people.
Then there are people like you, who mindlessly wish ill will on people you don’t even know.
If you don’t like my blog or what I do, then I cordially invite you to leave and don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. I’ll gladly refund what you paid to come in.
I write this blog and do what I for good people like SJ44, Doreen, Mel, Brandon, Gayle, Rebecca, Christina, Nick, DB, Trisha, the list goes on and on. Not one of them would be of such low class as to wish bad times on other people.
SJ44,
Channel 5 just showed your nephew with the first pitcher. He seems to be a good kid.
Yankee Batting Practice just showed Rivera robbing Cano of a double in the left center field gap, flashing out of nowhere to track down the smash on the track.
i was really impressed with derosa’s interview on YES….if he could be had for a reasonable amount i think he would be a fantastic addition to the team
YAWN!
I haven’t been in here for a while so you can imagine what it feels like to suddenly pop in during “Berroagate”
Only in Lohud-land !
Just got home and saw the line up…. Berroa gets 2 hits and an rbi today …. fearless prediction
“The Yankees have to replace MO someday and the Fans will not let it be just anyone that replaces him. Joba is a fan favorite already and can struggle in that role and not be booed early on.”
I think it is ridiculous to take a legit starter and make a reliever out of him. I hated it when they did that to Righetti. If he proves because of health or lack of secondary pitches(like Mo) that he can’t start, then by all means get value by moving him to the bullpen. But, I don’t think Joba is that guy, he can start and do it well. Out of Brackman, de la Rosa, Betances, etc., at least one will probably have to move to the pen because of health or other reasons; then they can be groomed to be the closer if necessary. Also, it may be necessary to move Kennedy to the pen if he is affected by his recent surgery. Not the classic hard thrower you like to see in late innings, but it may end up being his niche.
Is it just me or am I the only one who doesn’t read any comments that has Joba and the Bullpen in it?
Peter Abraham June 1st, 2009 at 6:28 pm
too long to re-post the whole thing but well done, pete.
“I asked Girardi point blank why Berroa is on the team and he said they wanted an extra infielder more than an extra outfielder”
I guess ARod isn’t recovering as well as they hoped
OK, let’s get real here. First of all, aside from the playoff game, Hughes has put up three other outstanding outings, the no-no where he busted his hamstring and two of his starts this season.
Also, this Joba to the pen stuff needs to stop. His record, ERA and number of different pitches all point to him being a starter, with the potential to be a great one. You have to give him time to grow and learn how to go deeper into games. If you think it’s a good idea to take that kind of talent and limit it to 60 innings a season rather than 200+ a season, you are brain dead, plain and simple.
Just for the record, the YAWN was in reference to Nick’s post…
Berroa?!? Really Girardi? Pena is much better. Is he trying to break the errorless streak? Swisher is fine but he is not a #2 hitter, why not Cano who was great in the 2 hole! Why sit Damon and Matsui on the same day? Girardi has made some odd moves this season. I wanna see T. Pena!
Wow, thanks for the props Pete.
Have you seen A-Rod in the field? He has NO range and looks old and slow
Keeping an extra infielder is absolutely the right call.
I’m a Red Sox fan but I love the work you do here Peter.
I liked it better when Trisha was pretending to not acknowledge my existence.
FYI, Victor Martinez is the DH today
Power and experience? Oy vey, Joe……….I don’t get it.
wow… in first place and now we are talking about firing the manager because he decided to rest 3 guys who obviously need it… when did baseball become hockey?
There really is no reason DFA’ing Berroa at this point. There’s no alternative in the system that requires a switch to take up space on the bench. I think they’ll wait this out until Ransom can be activated. Then you have no choice but to put him on the 40 and 25 man…taking Berroa’s spot
BRU I know that im not that dumb, My point is that who else would you want to replace MO than a fan favorite who can ease into that roll without fans getting on him. Yankees are a smart orginazation and will make the final say on who closes after MO, I feel that Joba is the best choice for them. If they go out and get someone and that person fails, Papers,Fans,TV, will be over that guy and wonder why they didnt go with JOBA.
If Jeter gets on base, I think that it’s fair to say that he’s going to be running in front of Swisher.
Pete great job calling him out on Berroa. SHELLY DUNCAN!!
Girardi is such a fool…. I mean seriously he is STILL holding this team back… Berroa should not see the field unless they are up or down by at least 7 runs… Pena is better in absolutely every area over Berroa and without question Pena should start over him if you are benching an infielder. It is also pretty obvious that Melky should be hitting second over Swisher, Nick should not be anywhere near the top of the lineup, ever. He is way too slow and strikes out far too often. Melky would have made much more sense over Swisher hitting second. Let’s see how Joe can screw up tonight’s bullpen and lose us another game, though, I can’t wait.
Berroa will get 2 hits tonight..My concern is if he’ll commit 2 errors as well…….
Pete,
Thanks for asking the really tough question that seems to evade the Yankees brass every day, why Berroa is on this team. Unfortunately, you received the classic Girardi response, a non-answer. He and Cashman are so good at not admitting to themselves that players like Berroa, Veras and Farnsworth are worthless if you’re trying to win a division and ultimately win the World Series.
When you invest over $200 million in a team, you’d think bringing in someone like Mark Grudzielanek for pocket change (relative to the overall payroll) would be a no brainer, but no, Berroa clearly has the experience needed to deliver as a role player from the bench.
I wish it were acceptable for journalists to ask the follow-up question “No, really though, why?”
Innings please, Joba. Innings….
lol at that line up..
Even more reason as to why we need innings tonight, Joba.
JoeT 28 in 10!! OPPC Click Here!!!!
June 1st, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Pete great job calling him out on Berroa. SHELLY DUNCAN!!
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And, exactly where would Duncan play? He’s a worse outfielder than Swisher. If he runs into a fastball, he may on occassion, hit one out. You can bet on more strikeouts than total bases, though, because he won’t get regular at bats.
DB – (officially panicked 5/13/09)
June 1st, 2009 at 5:56 pm
bodhisattva, at least I gave you some data to back up what I said..What evidence do you have that says Melky is a better Centerfielder? Surely the statement was inferred with this comment..
bodhisattva – OPPC member – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
June 1st, 2009 at 4:02 pm
Dan
June 1st, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Why is Gardner in there after the terrible game he had yesterday?
Because the Yankees continue to labor under the illusion that Gardner’s plus speed equals plus center field defense.
Because, actually his plus speed does equate to better defense at a position where you have to cover the most ground. Not to mention he takes better routes to balls than Melky..yesterday being the exception to the norm.
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I have written very detailed posts about this – from Spring Training through the earlier part of the season.
Feel free to find those posts, if you wish to invest the time. I don’t want to write at length on this before or during a game.
If you want to give me a gmail account or something, I will be happy to email my thoughts to you, or resume the discussion out-of-game.
Have you seen A-Rod in the field? He has NO range and looks old and slow
Keeping an extra infielder is absolutely the right call.
wait, a-rod looks old and slow and berroa is the answer to that?! an extra infielder, sure, but not angel berroa. that’s like saying, “my ten-speed needs some work, i’d better keep a trike on hand for backup.”
Pat M
June 1st, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Berroa will get 2 hits tonight..My concern is if he’ll commit 2 errors as well…….
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The next error will be from Swisher or Jeter.
Re: bodhisattva @ 5:43
Take a bow, sir. Well done.
“Let’s see how Joe can screw up tonight’s bullpen and lose us another game, though, I can’t wait.”
Joe may not even need to blow it. Joba might do it himself with another 4 IP, 100 pitch performance.
I’m reposting a question from a few nights ago as I didn’t get any responses…
Basically I’m trying to access this site from work, but a few weeks ago the ‘Barracuda’ spam protection set up by the clinic’s IT dept blocked me from checking Lohud, as it was deemed social networking. I was able to get to it by proxy for a while, but then the filter blocked that effort because it had proxy in the title, apparently. Any idea how I can safely check the site from work without getting into any major trouble?
thanks
“I asked Girardi point blank why Berroa is on the team and he said they wanted an extra infielder more than an extra outfielder. *So be it. That’s a fair point with Alex coming off surgery.* ”
Geeze Louise. Now can the rest of you just STOP with this Berroa stuff! I know you don’t respect my opinion on the matter when I said he was there as a backup for Arod, didn’t pay any attention when Rachel pointed this out, and also blew it off when SJ and others pointed it out. But this is directely from Pete. I KNOW many of you respect his perspective!
Thanks Pete.
Price had a big lead against the Indians too… but he went out after 4 innings and 100 pitches.
And the Indians came back to win.
The Indians can still score runs with the best of them (V-Mart is in the lineup tonight) and we have one of the worst bullpens in baseball.
GB7 – I don’t disagree with you there, Shelly is not a savior, but he’s hitting well over 300 and would be a better player on the bench then Berroa if you blindfolded Shelly. He’s not a prospect that we want to play everyday in SWB, having him on the bench over Berroa does nothing but good. I’d even rather him play 3rd once in a while over Berroa, but with Pena that’s not necessary.
kasey
June 1st, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Have you seen A-Rod in the field? He has NO range and looks old and slow
Keeping an extra infielder is absolutely the right call.
wait, a-rod looks old and slow and berroa is the answer to that?! an extra infielder, sure, but not angel berroa. that’s like saying, “my ten-speed needs some work, i’d better keep a trike on hand for backup.”
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Who are the options? If they’re any good, they’re playing for somebody else. There is nobody remotely close in the system.
“I liked it better when Trisha was pretending to not acknowledge my existence.”
nick in sf-
i tried that for awhile , but it’s way more fun annoying you .
livan is pitching tonight by the way. i think he’s going for 5-1
If Joba doesn’t give us innings, then this game will not end well.
Not to mention, this offense seems to have one big inning then fall asleep, while the other team continues to chip away and turns a complete blowout into a nervous game again.
Joba must go deep. Atleast go 6.
jonnycat – Try anonymouse.org it might help.
Jordan and Joe T – you missed the part where Pete called it a fair point with Arod coming off surgery.
Go out and sign Mark Gruzelanik or Ray Durham to be the utility infielder
Ugh. They just showed Joba during the “midge” game. I will NEVER, ever understand Torre’s reticence there. Especially since at the time Joba was a rookie.
Bottom line, if Berroa’s on the team, every so often he’s got to get a start. Why tonight? Why NOT tonight? As long as they’re going to carry him, he has to have some playing time. He’ll be fine. I hope he does well, but he’d be fine if he just does no harm.
Even if they lose tonight, they close out the road trip over .500. Better to win, but not horrible terrible if they don’t.
Well, that’s hard core journalism. Pete, evr heard the expression “follow-up question”?
Having two spare infielders is as important or more important than having 5-6 outfielders. There’s been more than one occassion that NYY has had two infielders go out early in a game. It’s a lot easier to move an infielder to the outfield than the reverse.
“Jordan and Joe T – you missed the part where Pete called it a fair point with Arod coming off surgery.”
in their defense, the “fair point” part was added to the post after it initially went up, spo they may have actually missed it.
off topic – i’ll be at the game june 7 if anyone else is going. i’m also playing a show at the living room on ludlow june 8 if anyone wants to come throw tomatoes.
I think our errorless game streak will end today with Berora playing 3rd. Why can’t we have Pena
Doreen, I agree with your posts about Berroa. If he is doing no harm and the team is in first place then we should wish him a very good game. It isn’t like he’s lost games for the Yankees, nor is it like he is being needed to play every day. He does the job they need him to do the few times he’s in. And he is a time-tested major league player.
GOOD LUCK TO ANGEL TONIGHT! I hope he has a tremendous game.
Doreen, I agree with your posts about Berroa. If he is doing no harm and the team is in first place then we should wish him a very good game. It isn’t like he’s lost games for the Yankees, nor is it like he is being needed to play every day. He does the job they need him to do the few times he’s in. And he is a time-tested major league player.
GOOD LUCK TO ANGEL TONIGHT! I hope he has a tremendous game.
I wouldn’t even bother if I were you, bod. Your 4:02 & 5:43 posts pretty much put to rest any and all “debate” there could possibly be re: the topic. Just continue to let the play on the field do the talking.
DB – (officially panicked 5/13/09)
June 1st, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Is it just me or am I the only one who doesn’t read any comments that has Joba and the Bullpen in it?
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Ha!
In a word, No!
I’ve been skipping them, too.
randy: I took Livan in a parlay
Anyway, you don’t annoy me. You know a lot about baseball and I’ve learned from your posts.
I think it’s time for a pre-game LOHUD group hug.
Pete and GB – cmon shake hands and make up. Don’t make me send the Stiletto girls after you.
Trisha and Nick – you too. Kiss and make up. Don’t make me find that Kramer .wav file again.
“off topic – i’ll be at the game june 7 if anyone else is going. i’m also playing a show at the living room on ludlow june 8 if anyone wants to come throw tomatoes.”
Where is ludlow? I would never throw tomatoes, by the way.
“And he is a *time-tested* major league player.”
That’s for sure!
GB, Shame Nick in SF isn’t here…He’d lay odds on who does…I say they set the record though…..Joba whiffs 11 tonight
Skimming comments and boy it got a little feisty in here today.
Pat M
June 1st, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Berroa will get 2 hits tonight..My concern is if he’ll commit 2 errors as well…….
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If you put an over-under on that you probably would get Nick in on that.
Holla
June 1st, 2009 at 6:57 pm
Go out and sign Mark Gruzelanik or Ray Durham to be the utility infielder
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One has never played short or third base and the other doesn’t have the arm to reach from short/third base without having somebody relay the throw. Not to mention that they’re both pushing 40 and haven’t played since last year.
Come on Joba bring the velocity and good stuff today!! No ground balls to 3rd base please…
Lets go Yankees!!!!!
the living room is at 154 ludlow, which is between orchard st and essex st south of e houston, but not as far south as delancey.
“Trisha and Nick – you too. Kiss and make up.”
Hahaha, does a snake have lips? Would Trisha be able to make up with an Arnold Horseshack?
I think we’ll be fine. In fact, they just released a movie about our tumultuous romance: “Drag Me To Hell”
Chris,
Thanks, I’m pretty weary of this debate myself.
“Skimming comments and boy it got a little feisty in here today.”
I’ll say. See what happens when Berroa gets a start?
DT – I think I’d take my chances with a rattlesnake in my shirt before I’d do that.
Come back and talk to me after about the 25th time someone here has either blindsided you with nasty little swipes or had trashing gossip parties about you when you weren’t around and continues to do it with thinly-veiled shots and tries to get people to join in, and then I’ll suggest you kiss and make up with the person. We’ll talk then.
Until then I am exuberantly happy allowing you your friendships and chosing my own. I’ve never played “I won’t be your friend if…” I’m a pretty independent kid who can really stand up for herself and has never asked for or needed the backing of any army.
Pat M
June 1st, 2009 at 7:05 pm
GB, Shame Nick in SF isn’t here…He’d lay odds on who does…I say they set the record though…..Joba whiffs 11 tonight
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I’m hoping that they set the record, too. Of course I’m hoping Chamberlain goes 5 innings with a 12-0 lead and strikes out all 15 on 3 pitches each. After that, the rain washes the rest of the game out….Yanks run out of town before the umpires change their minds.
Pat M: oh I’m here. And MaineYankee, I’m taking the under on Angel errors even if you set the # at 0.5. I’m an optimist.
Man, Pete’s getting annoyed. Even he can’t ignore Green Beret’s anger. It must have been the U2 comment that put him in a bad mood.
“the living room is at 154 ludlow, which is between orchard st and essex st south of e houston, but not as far south as delancey.”
I will try to make it! What time do you start? Not having a job (me) has its benefits.
Jeter!
nice start Jetes
Come on Swish use thaat OBP…lol
Jeter needs to be running here.
DT – OPPC member (it’s in our blood)
June 1st, 2009 at 7:03 pm
I think it’s time for a pre-game LOHUD group hug.
Pete and GB – cmon shake hands and make up. Don’t make me send the Stiletto girls after you.
Trisha and Nick – you too. Kiss and make up. Don’t make me find that Kramer .wav file again.
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No comment.
I will try to make it! What time do you start? Not having a job (me) has its benefits.
i go on late – 11pm. it’s one of those things where i took the gig short notice because i’m only going to be in nyc for three days and only going to be in the USA for a week so i figured while i’m there, i might as well play. new york, seattle, portland. not your standard “tour.”
Swish just missed it
When Berroa goes yard tonight…
I want PA to make a public apology.
And no age jokes…
Hey he doesn’t make fat jokes about you!
Man, look at all those bugs! Ugh.
wooo tex hit that 102 mph fastball
Tex makes the strangest faces when he’s hitting. Nice hit.
Tex and jeter = icey hot.
Tex is red hot…Now they need to get Arod going….
Are those senior midges in the field? What the heck????
Doreen
Some of the white you see flying is cottonwood and not bugs.
I was wondering how long it would take them to mention the HRs at the new stadium.
Man would that heckler shut up
Come on Arod swing at strikes….
Ah! We’re the Monday night game of the week. Laura have they complimented the Yankees at all for, you know, kicking butt and not taking numbers all the way into first place?
“Are those senior midges in the field? What the heck????”
They heard Berroa was playing!
(Sorry you set yourself up there)
pat -
Like ragweed, etc.?
randy
I see Cy Young is going for the Mets.
“Some of the white you see flying is cottonwood and not bugs.”
good. I thought it was remnants of the LoHud fur flying.
damn
Horrible strike zone.
Darn.
Jobamania time!
“Laura have they complimented the Yankees at all for, you know, kicking butt and not taking numbers all the way into first place?”
They mentioned that we have been playing well of late and attribute it to A-Rod’s return and CC’s dominant pitching.
Arod has been hitting a lot of fly balls recently. They need someone to drive in the red hot Tex.. Bad at bats chasing pitches by Arod and Posada.
Tom in N.J.
Okay, I set myself up for that. I will be much more careful in the future!
I was very busy at work today so I didn’t get a chance to listen to Francessa. Did he talk about Joba for the entire 5 hours or just 4?
lot of bugs flying around there on my hi def, specially around the mound
Nick in SF is kissing up to Tricia…No errors for Berroa…I hope so ….But he will collect a couple of hits….
spot in jeopardy? I doubt it.
Flaherty: Is Joba’s spot in the rotation in jeopardy?? lol
93mph fastball
“They mentioned that we have been playing well of late and attribute it to A-Rod’s return and CC’s dominant pitching.”
Bet it killed them to get those words out!
Okay, my prediction is the Yankees unequivocally will take this game and Berroa will make you proud to be rooting for him!
“Unequivocally” is the strongest endorsement one can give!
I really really really don’t think I can handle listening to the announcers talk about Joba in the pen for an entire game so I pray that he pitches well.
95 I like this joba
Joba looks to be throwing hard so far…
Let’s Go Yanks!!!!!
Okay, then.
jobas velocity looks soooo much better…just that is great to see
hahaha people check it out Scrath and Sniff Watermelon Red sox hats, freaking hilarious. Found it on bostondirtdogs.com
Worth the laugh.
OK….We can stop whining Chamberlain’s fastballs. A 93 MPH, a 95 MPH and a 96 MPH.
I’m not voting here but is Kay serious about Joba possibly being out of the rotation? Did he read Cashman’s quotes? Does he have a sense of Joba vs. Hughes (and I absolutely adore Hughes and still see him as a future face of the rotation) but come on. There’s no comparison in the readiness of the two!
Beast Francisco.
You guys happy now? Joba was clocked as high as 95 in that at bat. He had bad mechanics last time, what don’t you get? It’s a learning curve with a young pitcher, you can’t do knee jerk stuff.
If Joba is throwing 93+, he is lights out as a starter. Lights out starter for 6-7 ip giving you a chance to build a lead or 1 inning of relief in a game in which you trail by a run?
See – one chance, one out! Yay Angel.
velocity’s back. good to see.
97 mph oO
last pitch 96.6
Your gun is not accurate, if GD’s is.
The velocity showed up in Cleveland today. He also has command of his breaking ball. Berroa fields the ground ball lol
Flaherty is killing me. 98! B-Jobbers be darned!
I don’t like to make too many assumptions early on, but it appears Joba brought his good stuff.
One positive thing about Hughes, Chamberlain, Burnett and sabathia….they have no problems with pitching deep inside to hitters. Hughes needs to control it a bit more, though.
Wind is blowing in today
MLB.com just went down…Anybody having the same issue…
good job a
If that was hit off Joba’s fastball, that ball is probably gone.
Nice start Jobber!
Good thing Gardner didn’t come in on that ball….
Doreen
Not sure I know what ragweed is.
We have the trees in the woods beind our house. Someone told me it’s a form of poplar. It’s got silvery looking leaves and gives off a cottony fuzz for most of June. We have always called it cottonwood fuzz because when it collects on the lawn it looks like cotton balls but it could be ragweed.
three up, three down on fifteen pitches. nice inning.
Whew, Joba (barely) made it out of the first unscathed!
Pat M, I’m watching it on MLB TV and it’s fine by me, I heard it was on espn360 though…
My Game Day has that inning as a wrap.
Chamberlain got away with that last pitch to Martinez. An 85 MPH slider above the knees and over the heart of the plate.
“MLB.com just went down…Anybody having the same issue…”
My MLB gameday audio hasn’t been working since before first pitch. Had to go to the XM (which means I have to listen to the Indian’s broadcast – which may not be a bad thing).
I wonder if any other fans are as paranoid about their rookie pitchers as we are? Especially one with a 3.90 ERA.
pat -
So, tree fuzz – like dandelion fuzz. Okay.
Berroa lets go!
dont hate me but for some reason i like berroa’s stance lol
Well, this was a yucky inning.
Sowers isn’t a rookie. He’s been around for three years and NY has faced him.
Do the seagulls count towards attendance for the Indians? Without 20,000 with them goes up to 30,000? Just wondering..
“My MLB gameday audio hasn’t been working since before first pitch. Had to go to the XM (which means I have to listen to the Indian’s broadcast – which may not be a bad thing).”
Just go here:
http://espn.go.com/broadband/espn360/index
Pat M: anything to bring peace to the blog. I wouldn’t alert the Nobel committee quite yet.
Sorry, RS. My typing has improved….my reading has taken a dive.
The second pitch was a strike.
Let’s see. Dog sh*t pitcher with absurdly high era and whip. Means a 3 hit, 1 run 7 innings vs Yanks. Hope not. Just saying….
i’m a die hard yankee fan since i was old enough to say celerino sanchez and not trying to be disloyal to a great warrior, but if I want Joba and Hughes in my rotation right now, i would have to seriously think about Pettitte being the odd man out. I also think that when Mo is ready to go, Burnetts better days as starter will be behind him with a couple years left on his contract, he could fit into that role maybe.
they have Yankee scratch and sniff hats as well
Disgusting.. whoever did that should be banned from sports
Just imagine, we would never have seen that nasty curveball is Joba was a reliever
i love seeing joba like this..fearless!! lol
I’m hesitant to say anything considering Hughes looked great after 2 innings yesterday but so far Joba looks fantastic.
they just seem to struggle against these junkballers for whatever reason. joba’s throwing well, though, so maybe focus on that until something changes.
Sterling just said the seagulls are waiting for the bugs…I just want this team to get the heck out of Cleveland. I hate that city with a passion.
Joba is pitching like he’s got something to prove. I’m sure he’s heard all of this bullpen talk and he wants to prove to the world and the Yankees that he belongs in the starting rotation. I wish him luck!
I like dis Joba
The worst position on the field right now has to be first base. They’re looking directly in the sun, just setting over the third base stands. Has to be brutal.
YES gun is finally accurate. Gameday has the same velocity readings.
I love when Joba has his good stuff. He stands on the mound with confidence ready to go and throw the next pitch. You can see on his face when he doesn’t have it, nibbles and takes alot more time.
Such the diplomat Nick in SF…..Noticed that the Laker line dropped to 6 today…..I jumped last night at 6 1/2 ???? In 2 years AJ Burnett will be the Yanks # 5 starter…..If they keep the Wang-Man
Looks like “bullpen” Joba tonight!
Let’s Go Yanks!!!!
Joba throwing gas.
I’d love to see 8 shutout innings with mid-high 90s velocity then hear Francesa explain tomorrow how he still belongs in the pen.
“The worst position on the field right now has to be first base.”
Well it is a good thing we don’t have Giambi at 1st base anymore.
Bummer about Molina’s injury, but I’m liking this Cervelli kid a lot. Glad he’s going to stick around for a bit longer.
Rachel -
So maybe one of the things Joba has to learn is to never let anyone else see he doesn’t think he has his best stuff.
Beautiful blue sky in Cleveland tonight.
Hey all, I just got a new iPhone but I have a question pertaining to the blog. I was just looking at this page using Safari but since there are so many comments it takes ages to get to the bottom. Do any of you iPhone users out there know if there is a way to quickly get to the bottom of the page?
LeBron proved by his behavior that he will never be the man on the court that Michael Jordan was. Jordan would have never behaved like that.
Its 2009. Can’t MLB standardize the equipment used at these stadiums to measure the speed of the pitches? There are so many technologies out there now that can measure the speed of objects exactly (e.g., lasers). Its ridiculous that fans at home can’t rely on the gun during the game.
For those of you that have Sterling on did you just hear what I just heard which was him singing??? They really need to replace him fast.
It’s a wonder what throwing strikes can do for Joba. He would breeze through 7 innings each night if he could just get 0-1, 1-2 on most hitters.
You know when you look back at Joba’s starts over the past year, he almost always limits the damage. He has a 3 to 1 k to bb ratio. Don’t let the B Jobbers panic about the bullpen effect your belief in what we have here, a future rotation ace. He needs to stay in the rotation, at least as long as Mo is around and younger kids (read Betances and/or Brackman) haven’t passed him.
nice ab right there…9 pitches..off to the races!
Late to the party. And I’m just now noticing that Swish is in the 2 spot?!
Haha- is there any chance GGBG doesn’t run here???
Berroa at third?????? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!
There goes the errorless game streak.
LeBron proved by his behavior that he will never be the man on the court that Michael Jordan was. Jordan would have never behaved like that.
well put!
NOW he steals 2nd!!
if only he had done that yesterday
Hey Gardner you should of seen that base yesterday…
GJ Gardner/Jeter
the Jeter bunt actually worked!
Nice Jetes
well done Jeter…
Two great plays by the Yankees there. Gardner out to prove that he’s a fearless baserunner after yesterday’s fiasco and then Jetes drops a PERFECT bunt.
Congratulations to Jeter on hit #2600.
Joba has the whole package working so far tonight.
That change up that he threw to Martinez in the first was beautiful. 11 miles slower than the first fastball he threw Martinez. And the movement on it was fantastic. Nice sink to it and it had nearly 9 inches of lateral movement away from Martinez to it. Outstanding quality pitch there.
And he has the curve ball working as well. His curve is terrific and he needs to use it more. In many ways it’s a better pitch for him than his slider.
So far he looks like he did starting in inning 2 of that game against Boston.
Great bunt by Jeter…Come on red hot Tex bring them home!!
Jeter is playing like a wild man. What has gotten into him?
I love how a giant star like Jeter still throws down a perfect bunt. So classic
Nice bunt Jeter.
“In 2 years AJ Burnett will be the Yanks # 5 starter…..If they keep the Wang-Man”- Pat M
But in 2 years, you gotta think that maybe someone like Brackman will be up here, making an aging AJ Burnett a relatively logical choice for not necessarily closer but at least a set up man type
the pitch to martinez was a 3-2 count that he was sitting on.
a world of difference if joba is ahead in the count.
Opps forgot Swish is here. That wasnt a strike..
ugh – at least the run scores
Patrick: I have no idea whether this applies to the iPhone or Safari, but on my blackberry, hitting ‘B’ takes the page to the bottom and ‘T’ takes it back to the top. But the mobile version of this blog is pretty bad right now, and it was much better last fall. Don’t know why they made it worse.
well atleast he got the run in..
a productive dp. Now that’s rose colored glasses!
Swish still making outs, but at least bringing in the runs.
Man how slow is Swish…
whoa, 1 run in is not good for what we had going there!
Lead off walks…..
hey it’s brandon morrow bobblehead night in seattle. bill bavasi stopped by to pick up 1,500 of them. he insisted on paying.
Would have been a double play anyway
Was hoping for no Yankees specials =DBL PLAYS, tonight!!
And that is why Nick Swisher can NEVER hit above 8th in this lineup.
Why in god’s name would you bat a guy who not only can’t put a ball in play but who keeps hitting into big rally killing DP’s in FRONT OF TEIXEIRA? Astounding.
Nick Swisher in front of the 3-4-5 hitters is going to cost us a LOT of runs tonight. How can you have one of your worst, biggest slump hitters hitting in front of our BEST HITTERS?
This is why Joe Girardi is just a terrible manager. He makes the moves that don’t make any sense, and they NEVER work out because OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE AWFUL and of course how could you expect a guy who hit .120 last month to get a good game hitting #2 in the order?
Matt = Waaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!
Take a chill, Matt.
Swisher getting it done from the 2 hole thx again Joe
Nice play, Angel!
“How can you have one of your worst, biggest slump hitters hitting in front of our BEST HITTERS?”
Maybe because Girardi is hoping that Nick will benefit from hitting in front of Tex? Pretty conventional baseball wisdom – didn’t work out that way in the 3rd though.
Thanks for the response nick but unfortunately there is no ‘b’ button on the iPhone
wow lookie at berroa
arod does not make that play……
just kidding.
Berroa flashing some leather. He is spiting all the haters as we speak
That’s my man Berroa. Look at that spin and throw. That should be on Sports center.
Teixeira does not like Jeter. Ever notice how often he refuses to drive him in when Jeter’s in scoring position? He won’t even hit homers when Jeter’s on base.
Pat M: I agree with you. I’m pretty optimistic about the near-term future of the rotation, and after the game yesterday I was day-dreaming about a 2011 rotation with CC-Wang-Joba-Hughes in which there’s no obvious drop-off from 1 to 4. And make that 1 to 5 if Burnett can put his stuff together and stay healthy (apologies to m in advance for even including AJ’s ability to stay healthy as a possibility).
Whoa.
There’s my boy’s velocity!!
Eat that Fat Guy on the Radio!!
Are you serious, Orel? Did you actually just insinuate that Alex asked out of fielding tonight because there was too much pressure on from a fairly meaningless streak? C’mon.
A week in Cleveland – whoa. Not fun. 3 days, good. 5 days, not so much.
Jeter is the man
I understand that Swisher had a bad month in May after a hot start the last couple weeks in April. But its June 1st now and there is no room for any excuses. You have to produce. The team needs him in a big way, especially after Nady complaining about feeling something in his elbow today while throwing.
Even these awful Cleveland announcers are talking about Joba to the pen. Not necessarily pining for him to be there, of course, but they keep bringing up his prowress in that role.
michael kay’s never worked a day in his life lol
nice play jete
and how old is Berroa?
Nice play by Jeter. Look at him going to his left…
Lets hope that Berroa can stay awake for the entire game.
Hmmm, gameday wants me to check out video replay of “Swisher’s RBI.”
No such thing as an RBI when your GIDPing
Matt is 100% correct.
If Damon didn’t need a day off I’d have preferred an outfield of Melky, Gardner, and Damon.
Swish is terrible right now.
No question about it.
Hitting him 2nd makes absolutely NO sense.
Patrick: doh, I forgot it was all touch-screen. Good luck.
Joba to the bullpen is the new black
the joba to the pen discussion isn’t that ridiculous. he has a 5 bb/9 ip rate and is averaging 5 innings a start
what does OPS stand for?
Pavano
It still makes no sense to hit swisher in front of Teixeira even if you are hoping he gets pitches to hit, because let’s be honest, he is just beyond terrible right now. He’s getting pitches to hit and he just CAN’T hit them, period. He is hitting .120 in the last month and has struck out in about 30% of those at bats. It’s not a matter of getting bad pitches to hit, it’s a matter of being awful and not putting the ball in play whatsoever.
You can’t put a guy who is slumping that badly at the top of the lineup, regardless of whether he needs a jump start or not. It’s one thing if it’s a good player who is slumping mildly, but this guy cannot do ANYTHING at the plate now, and he is a career .250 hitter anyway so it’s not like this is an abberation.
throw Shoppach a breaking ball strikeout 100%
Did anyone catch some of the comments by Peter Gammons before the game started?
Admittedly Gammons often has a pro-Red Sox bias, but he said in his opinion that the Yankees have the best team in baseball right now.
i agree, swisher’s a bench player. you don’t bat them 2nd on an every day basis
Can they please not show the thief on Yankee baseball. Thank you!
who’s saying that now about Joba?
Jobber Chamberlain is a starting pitchah!!!!!
OPS= On base plus slugging %
Can we at least make it to the 5th inning before the “waaaaaaa!” post?
joba got the indians 9 hitter to swing at ball 4. wait until he goes through the order a second time
Great location, movement and efficiency from Chamberlain, so far.
“the joba to the pen discussion isn’t that ridiculous. he has a 5 bb/9 ip rate and is averaging 5 innings a start”
It’s not “that ridiculous”. It’s EXTREMELY RIDICULOUS! The guy has 4 good pitches that he can throw over the plate for strikes. You want to throw two of those pitches away and put him in the bullpen? Why? Because Cashman can’t get off his butt and go get us some decent relievers? That’s on Cashman; it’s not fair to stick Joba with that burden. Joba wants to start. End of discussion.
ray: you’re burying the lede. The real story is that Gammons is apparently off the sauce.
what does OPS stand for? please someone answer…my son asked me and I don’t know the answer!
Jeter’s Future Wife
June 1st, 2009 at 7:59 pm
and how old is Berroa?
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I hear that he’s turning 92 next week.
“Admittedly Gammons often has a pro-Red Sox bias, but he said in his opinion that the Yankees have the best team in baseball right now.”
ray, after he said that, did he pass out and have to be rushed to the ER?
The only reason he batted Swish 2nd is because he wanted to break up the bottom part of the lineup. If he batted Cano there when you have all of the characters at the bottom. Swish is 2-4 against Sowers with 2 homeruns so that probably played a part. It is really not a big deal for 1 game. If it was more then 1 then yes it wouldn’t make sense.
“who’s saying that now about Joba?”
I’m rooting for Joba today, but i lknow that he can be dominant reliever as well.
he’ll be there come playoff.
Hey Trisha get over yourself. Berroa sucks. I hope for the best just like everyone else, but the fact is this is a stupid move with the all time record for errorless games on the line. He is not a good defensive player and should not be in the game. I stand by what I said and will do so regardless of what kind of game he has. Wipe you a** with that b88ch.
abernste,
92! wow, there’s hope for Jamie Moyer then!! lol
OPS = On-base plus slugging
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-base_plus_slugging
On base plus slugging.
oN what planet was that a strike??!!
Very big strike zone for Sowers today. Outside corner, and low…
Jeter’s Future Wife: so you want to make the Yankee Captain a step-dad???
laura, joba does have four good pitches but he usually can’t throw them over the plate for a strike. this is a rare start for him in that he can get both his fastball and his breaking stuff over the plate. if he could get all his pitches over the plate he wouldn’t be walking a batter ever couple innings. i’m not saying that joba belongs in the pen, i’m just saying the discussion isn’t all that ridiculous
“dont hate me but for some reason i like berroa’s stance lol”
Hate you? I love you even more than I did before!
“Jeter is playing like a wild man. What has gotten into him?”
Laura, I truly think it is the “I’m not saying much but don’t think I don’t know why I was switched into the leadoff position. Now I will show you why I am still one of the best players in the game” syndrome. I think Jeter is one of the most competitive players in the game, something that stands both him and us well.
ray (sox fan)
June 1st, 2009 at 8:01 pm
Did anyone catch some of the comments by Peter Gammons before the game started?
Admittedly Gammons often has a pro-Red Sox bias, but he said in his opinion that the Yankees have the best team in baseball right now.
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He’ll say that until Boston wins their next game. Must be a slow night for “The Pistol”.
Evening, Ray. Hope all is well in the (sox fan) family. I assume that you don’t need fire wood tonight.
I hate Cleveland!!
seagulls convention going on
what is this place a zoo??
Its always a Nature special in Cleveland
pete you are killing it today.
Look at those birds. WEird. Don’t they know they’re in danger? Stupid birds. I don’t really hate Cleveland – but between the bugs and the birds -
Choo is unnerved by the gulls because he’s thinking about all of that dinner.
Why is Posada batting behind Alex he sucks waaaaaaaaaa!
Watching Francisco with all those gulls reminds me of one of the scenes from Home Alone.
laura, i’ve seen gammons say quite a few nice things about the yankees. i think yankees fans go a little overboard on how everyone hates them (espn, fox, etc)
Posada don’t take over Cano’s job. Batting 5th swinging at the 1st pitch…
“ray, after he said that, did he pass out and have to be rushed to the ER?”
Laura, at the hospital he specifically asked for Manny Delcarment to give him mouth to mouth!
Jeters wife, ops is on base % + slugging% it’s a pretty basic stay that gives you a good idea of how a player is doing. It’s flawed but better than looking at batting average
OPS equals On base plus slugging
This strike zone is a joke….
“Hey Trisha get over yourself. Berroa sucks. I hope for the best just like everyone else, but the fact is this is a stupid move with the all time record for errorless games on the line. He is not a good defensive player and should not be in the game. I stand by what I said and will do so regardless of what kind of game he has. Wipe you a** with that b88ch.
Tim, stop holding back! It’s not good for you!!
wow, that was a great stretch by garko
Why is Cano batting 6th? Joe Girardi is horrible waaaaaaa!
UPDATE, 8:02 p.m.: Joba perfect though three innings. Meanwhile, in Long Island, the Francesa family dog is dodging cans of Diet Coke.
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LMAO!!!
“i’m not saying that joba belongs in the pen, i’m just saying the discussion isn’t all that ridiculous”
Ok, I’ll concede that his prior success in the bullpen makes it not so far fetched to go there. I’ll give you and Francessa that. However, the fact that the Yankees have committed to having him be in the rotation to me makes this something that shouldn’t be discussed every single day. I’m just tired of talking about it and hearing about it.
How come our pitchers don’t get out of leadoff walk jams with less than 10 pitches (against good hitters no less)?
give gammons a break, what is he 300 years old now?
Cano has rocked two pitches on the button and has zero to show. One up the middle and another bullet to Garko.
LADY! YA GIVIN’ ME AN ULCER!
“Laura, at the hospital he specifically asked for Manny Delcarment to give him mouth to mouth!”
LOL! That’s a visual that’s going to stay with me for a long time…and not in a good way.
2 GiDPs in 4 innings? not again…
And another Yankees special,Dbl play,#2
ray (sox fan)
June 1st, 2009 at 8:08 pm
“ray, after he said that, did he pass out and have to be rushed to the ER?”
Laura, at the hospital he specifically asked for Manny Delcarment to give him mouth to mouth!
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That’s disgusting, even for a Red Sox fan, Ray.
I meant to say “it’s a pretty basic stat”
When I say it’s flawed, I mean that it doesn’t give enough weight to OBP and it doesn’t adjust for league or park factor. Overall though it’s a quick and easy stat to look at and judge a player. Over .800 OPS is good, over .900 OPS is awesome, over 1.00 OPS is godlike.
laura, i think his innings limit is also a big reason moving him tot he bullpen is discussed. he probably won’t be able to pitch more than 150 innings this year so moving him to the bullpen in the second half will allow the yankees to still get some use out of him in september and october
so what is cano’s whatever the metric is that quantifies “luck” with balls put in play
pitchers pfp
Hypothetical Call into Miked up Francessa on the FAN for a Tuesday June,2.
Caller: Mike the guy threw a perfect game last night. He struck out the 27th batter on a 97 mph fastball. How can you…
Mike: Enough, this idea that jobber is a starter is moronic. He isn’t going to throw a perfect game next time out is he? No, and who bridges the gap to Mo? Teh Jobber belongs in the pen.
“Joba perfect though three innings. Meanwhile, in Long Island, the Francesa family dog is dodging cans of Diet Coke.”
About Gammons, I too have heard him be complimentary of the Yankees and of specific Yankee players at different times. I’d be lying to say otherwise. Lupica on the other hand? Horrid.
“give gammons a break, what is he 300 years old now?”
Come on, there’s no way he’s younger than Berroa.
just imagine if he was in the bullpen, then we’d be able to have these perfect innings for the next 9 games
S.A.: I’m suprised Pete hasn’t gotten any grief for the first part of that 8:02 update.
He thought that was Youkilis.
I hope that last pitch was a setup pitch for something low and outside.
“laura, i’ve seen gammons say quite a few nice things about the yankees. i think yankees fans go a little overboard on how everyone hates them (espn, fox, etc)”
Ghost, I don’t think Gammons hates the Yankees. My point about Gammons has always been that he lacks objectivity where any other team not named BOS is concerned. Since he’s a BOS fan, deep down, he doesn’t want the Yankees to do well — but he doesn’t hate them. At least not like Yankee fans hate BOS.
Michael Lewis says that “Moneyball” has hurt the A’s because:
“It’s become conventional wisdom. The A’s have no intellectual advantage, as evidenced by their performance. There’s a shadow baseball team that would have been members of the Oakland A’s if “Moneyball” had never happened, but now those guys are more valued.”
I wonder if Beane regrets giving away all his “secrets” in the the book.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/31001163/
Joba dealin!!
Steve, you might want to wait until Joba actually gives up a baserunner before you try banishing him back to the pen.
WAIT THAT’S HIS THIRD BEST PITCH?
Yeah, let’s put that in the bullpen!
Joba’s probably visualizing that every batter he faces is francesa…
Joba has ridiculous stuff tonight, it’s all working right now.
The 8:02pm update Pete, is ATROCIOUS!
S.A. – please ignore it. It hasn’t been stated right here on the forum nor by the broadcasters we’ve heard so far. Anyway, I think it’s the magic words that are the killer…
GO YANKEES!!!
“so what is cano’s whatever the metric is that quantifies “luck” with balls put in play”
babip – batting average of balls in play
there’s also ld% (line drive %)
Matt
June 1st, 2009 at 8:15 pm
WAIT THAT’S HIS THIRD BEST PITCH?
Yeah, let’s put that in the bullpen!
Calm Down……………
Nooooooo Joba nooooooooooo!
I win the jinx game.
Well there goes the neighborhood.
Gay.
joba dealin a meatball
JOBBERRRR
LOL Nick. I didn’t even notice that he said that
Well, there goes that. Tied game
Chamberlain went up and in on the wrong batter. two mistakes to the same batter in two at bats.
Maybe it’s more than the magic words.
There goes the perfect game.
There goes the no hitter.
There goes the shutout.
There goes Joba’s confidence.
way to jinx it peter
laura, almost every single announcer or analyst is a fan of an individual team. and it’s nice to get the outside perspective from time to time. we can get a little too optimistic about our team at times
Nice of the Indians to show up.
“There goes Joba’s confidence.”
Not buying that part of it. Just not.
ok – time to settle down
“The 8:02pm update Pete, is ATROCIOUS!”
This x 10000
I hope Joba’s mechanics don’t get out of whack now because he’s not used to pitching from the stretch.
In re: Tom in NJ; 8:02 is pure win, relax.
“Well there goes the neighborhood.”
That made me laugh.
Yanks aren’t helping Joba with GIDP’s tonight either. Offense taking naps that last 2 games against meatball pitchers.
JOBA THAT WAS ATROCIOUS GO TO THE BULLPEN
Joba gave up a hit, he obviously needs to be in the pen. Starting pitchers never give up hits ever. It is unacceptable. To the 8th inning he goes.
fastball down and in to a lefty.. oops
Hold it together Joba. You’re stuff has been on-point tonight. Just keep doing what you’ve been doing.
That was stupid pitching..Martinez had him sized up from the 1st at base. He is really there only good hitter and threat in the lineup. They should of been more careful with him.
Beane is a cheap idiot
“laura, almost every single announcer or analyst is a fan of an individual team. and it’s nice to get the outside perspective from time to time. we can get a little too optimistic about our team at times”
Are you saying we should be more pessimistic about our team?
Ouch Posada air-mailed that one
Yes serf, one pitch will shatter his confidence. Amazingly stupid post, even for you.
“There goes Joba’s confidence.”
Not buying that part of it. Just not.
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Haha, yeah I know that was a joke.
joba’s doing fine tonight. but you can’t use a perfect 3 innings as a measure of what kind of starter he can be any more than you could use the worst 3 innings he’s had as a starter as a measure of how good a starter he is
looks like that mechanical flaw is back. his last two fastballs were weak.
Atrocious Atrocious – ANDY PETTITTE IS A STARTING PITCHER
S.A.: I don’t blame Pete, per se. I blame all the beat writers.
Trisha: I saw this without any sarcasm: your response to ‘Tim Sherman’s rude and crude remarks was admirable in its wit and in its restraint.
Well, I said dogsh*t pitcher who can’t beat anyone else = 7 ip, 3 hits, 1 run vs. Yanks. Right on course. Still hope I am wrong. But just saying…..
Does Joba think this is the first inning?
i like how everyone thinks putting joba to the pen is as if he suddenly turns into mop up man latroy hawkins.
Don’t forget our bullpen houses the best closer of all time. Its not a demotion.
3-0 off speed pitch? he barely did get it over but that’s not the mentality i’d like to see. i’m glad the pitching coach came out to talk to him
well, it was cool when joba looked great. he’s suddenly quite pedestrian again.
the argument that having him out there for seven innings starts to look weaker if he can only give the team three good ones per start.
Yes serf, one pitch will shatter his confidence. Amazingly stupid post, even for you.
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Well…ouch. There goes my confidence.
Here’s where Chamberlain needs to grow a little more. cut the inning off right here.
i saw the gammons thing.
he said the yankees have pitching debth & there era dropped a full 2 points.
i think i saw him holding his chest after that though.
Nasty Joba…just nasty.
“Meanwhile, in Long Island, the Francesa family dog is dodging cans of Diet Coke.” Hahaha that’s a classic. Nice one Pete
Wow, that’s just filthy.
C’mon Yankees Joba needs a cushion,runs.
joba can be a great starter when he can get his breaking stuff over like that
Well for once we can’t blame Michael Kay!
If we could rewrite history and never have converted Joba to the bullpen in 2007, imagine what would have happenned. The Yankees would have missed the playoffs for the first time in Torre’s tenure and he would most assuredly been fired. He would have forced his way into the rotation in 2008 and the debate would have never started. I guess I prefer this reality, but I wonder if Cash ever regrets moving Joba to the pen back then.
Its one pitch. He’s throwing the ball great. A 1-1 game should not be cause for alarm.
he’s fine, not his fault
Jobber at 58 pitches
Too bad he threw a meatball to the only good hitter in the lineup…Now if they can get some runs off of this scrub…
Joba at 58 pitches after 4. At this pace he should be out after the 6th. If he can get a quick inning in the 5th, he could go 7, which would be great to see.
Someone brought up Cano’s luck? As someone already said BABIP and LD% indicate “luck”. So far Cano’s BABIP is at .306 which means if anything he’s been unlucky. For his career his BABIP is .322 which indicates his stats could improve later in the season.
His line drive % is 20.7% which is a bit better than his career number. More line drives is a good thing and also indicates his stats are sustainable and might even get better.
Cano is hitting more line drives, striking out less and hitting more homers per flyball.
“ANDY PETTITTE IS A STARTING PITCHER”
This. Where does this idea that Jobber is a starting pitcher come from? Why does he have to start? Because he’s done it his whole life outside of about 24 innings in 2007 and a month and a half in 2008? That doesn’t mean anything because as our friend Mike points out and Draw reminds us… Andy Pettite is a stahting pitchah.
Take this Tim Lincecum commercial for example. Why is he a starter? I bet if he was in the bullpen he could throw his fastball 135mph.
nice bounce-back there. off-speed stuff looked killer.
Melky grabbing his hip?
“Michael Lewis says that “Moneyball” has hurt the A’s because:
“It’s become conventional wisdom. The A’s have no intellectual advantage, as evidenced by their performance. There’s a shadow baseball team that would have been members of the Oakland A’s if “Moneyball” had never happened, but now those guys are more valued.””
Not really sure I see his gripe – the fundamental concept illustrated in Moneyball was creating success by exploiting overlooked/undervalued aspects of the game. It’s a concept that works in business, just as well as it does in sports.
Once “Moneyball” players became sought-after then Beane should have logically looked to a different part of the game (notice how much importantance has been put on defense the last couple years.
Why does Swisher jump up on the wall and look in the stands on a homer? I don’t get it.
Go to the wall and jump if it’s catchable.
I swear he must have been a tree climber as a kid…
Its one pitch. He’s throwing the ball great. A 1-1 game should not be cause for alarm.
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Well yeah. Joba’s doing great. But the Yankees also have a tendency to hit poorly against pitchers who aren’t doing well at all this season.
Man, there IS such a thing as too much sarcasm in the blog posts.
Woah, don’t everyone rush to get off the Joba bandwagon at once because he had a rough inning! Notice that, as he usually does, he *limited the damage* even though he gave up a bomb, a bunt hit, and a walk.
The guy is throwing the ball great.
If the benchmark for Joba Chamberlain to be “accepted” as a starter pitcher by the Mike Francesa’s and his flock is a perfect game, me thinks the bar is being set a tad high.
The guy is throwing 4 pitches for strikes tonight.
He brings stuff like this to his outings, all the “Joba to the bullpen” chatter from folks goes by the wayside.
Aside from CC Sabathia, they don’t have a starting pitcher with his stuff on the staff.
That’s why putting him in the bullpen makes little sense.
Thanks, Patrick – that was me
I absolutely hate when Melky bunts or shows bunt. He doesn’t know how to bunt and isn’t fast enough. Just wasting an out.
One good start against the worst team in baseball and all of a sudden Joba’s a starter, gimme a break!
UPDATE, 8:17 p.m.: So much for the perfecto. Clearly Joba belongs in the bullpen. Only 3.2 perfect innings and four strikeouts? Atrocious.
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Pete, the word atrocious needs to be in all caps and you need to use exclamation points
For example:
ATROCIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great power from Berroa.
POWER STRIKEOUT
AD what are you talking about chief? 58 pitches through 4 is pretty great actually. He could go 7 or 8 innings.
olly June 1st, 2009 at 8:27 pm
One good start against the worst team in baseball and all of a sudden Joba’s a starter, gimme a break!
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I don’t know why I am even replying. But this is up there in the top 10 stupidest posts ever.
AD
June 1st, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Joba at 58 pitches after 4. At this pace he should be out after the 6th. If he can get a quick inning in the 5th, he could go 7, which would be great to see.
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Yeah, clearly Chamberlain’s going to throw 45 pitches the next two innings.
i think it’s silly for EITHER ONE of the joba camps to declare that he’s ABSOLUTELY a starter or ABSOLUTELY a reliever. we should just wait and see what happens. if he can start pitching 6 innings a start and get his walks down to a more reasonable rate he should remain a starter. if come august he’s still only managing 5 innings a start with at least 3 walks a game, then we should use him as a reliever. a lot of this has to do with how wang and the bullpen does to. nothing’s written in stone, chamberlain could fill either role
This game is just flying by.
Gardner swing the bat…As we have seen any pitch near the strike zone is a strike tonight…
That’s not true. Someone posted the numbers last week. The Yankees are like 10-4 against guys with ERA’s over 6.
That’s an urban legend.
Its baseball. Any night a pitcher can throw a good game. That’s life and you deal with it.
You can’t expect them to score 5 + every night, regardless of who is pitching.
Sometimes, you have to win low scoring games. Its like that for every team.
Guy has a 7 ERA & looks like Cy Young tonight….
Brett Gardner has had a few 3 hit games, and even hit 2 HRs.
HES A STARTER, JUST THINK OF ALL THE POTENTIAL. HOW DARE YOU MAKE HIM A BENCH PLAYER.
Question: Is Steve Phillips the worst “analyst” ever to broadcast any sport? Tonight’s game has been a showcase for his laziness and stupidity. His “insights” so far:
1) Derek Jeter is leading off tonight, though he’s usually batted 2nd this year. WRONG. What it would have taken to get this right: look at a couple of box scores. Pretty tough.
2) Joba Chamberlain should be in the bullpen because he’s ordinary as a starter, only throwing 91-92 mph. WRONG. What it would have taken to get it right: pull his head out of his *** and look at the speed of the pitch (94) as he was talking.
3) Choo shouldn’t have bunted because he’s not a threat to steal. WRONG. Choo had 6 steals coming in (7 now). After someone pointed that out Phillips STILL cited Choo’s steals total from LAST year (4).
What an idiot. This guy should be selling shoes somewhere.
Rache, just want to say that Melky is actually one of the fastest on the team.
Haha the plate umpire looks absolutely lost tonight. The first two strikes against Gardner were delayed like he couldn’t see the pitch. Ball 2 should have been a strike so he makes up for it on the next pitch which was clearly outside? Really pathetic
i know everyone is capable of a good day any day but sowers should not be doing this to the yankees.
Nick – had to leave and grab some dinner, but Arnold Horseshack did not go unnoticed.
(see, you are more than an Adult Humorist)
trisha if Melky is one of the fastest why doesn’t he steal many bases?
Jeter, Damon, A-rod, Pena, Gardner are all faster than him. Melky is pretty average speed-wise.
GB – I was assuming they would take him out around the 90 pitch mark. But you’re right. If he continues pitching as well as he has, they’ll probably let him go to a 100 or a little bit over. So he could go 7 or possibly 8.
Cy Sowers is looking better than he should be.
Yankees need to score next inning.
While I have no horse in the race whatsoever and understand both sides of the argument, I believe without a scintilla of a doubt that Joba has shown he is a starter.
LOL. I just wanted to see if my man Brandon is here.
Pete your updates today are hilarious. And atrocious at the same time.
Not a good plan to walk the leadoff batter Jobber
Joba clearly has the tools to be a truly dominant starting pitcher and Andy Pettite won’t be around much longer anyway. When Pettite retires, probably after this year, Hughes is the natural replacement. I’d rather have my starting rotation complete than my bullpen.
So far this year Joba has a decent 3.70 ERA and decent 1.5 WHIP. He’s still getting used to being a big league starter too, I mean he’s only 23 for God’s sake. I see him as a future 15-18 game winner with a 3.50-ish ERA and around 200 strikeouts when he hits his prime.
“trisha if Melky is one of the fastest why doesn’t he steal many bases?
Jeter, Damon, A-rod, Pena, Gardner are all faster than him. Melky is pretty average speed-wise.”
Yeah, being fast means base stealer.
That walk was bad. sac bunt coming.
patrick, matsui is also really fast but isn’t a classic base stealer. Melky is very fast down the line.
Sometimes you have to *manufacture* runs too!
In what reality is Matsui fast? He can barely walk!
Even before the knee injuries Matsui was average at best.
Matsui is only fast if he lived on a world populated by Jose Molina clones
“Yeah, being fast means base stealer.”
Read my post on Matsui. Someone can be fast down the line and not steal a lot of bases.
trisha
did you just say hideki matsui was “really fast?” i’m beyond confused by that statement.
“patrick, matsui is also really fast but isn’t a classic base stealer. Melky is very fast down the line.”
You’re joking, MATSUI?
joba’s velocity is finally up in the upper mid 90s.
come on Jobber
Whoever called joba throwing 45 pitches threw the next 2 innings looks like einstein right about now
maybe Kaz Matsui??
Cano playing in hurt.
Relax, I’m sure that was KAZ Matsui.
dammit…that was a decent pitch…that burns
Thanks, DT. I knew you would get it. Now please quit gossiping.
lets hope it wasn’t hideki matsui..
Throw strikes, dammit!
Whoa
Jesus Christ what a play
patrick you are so wrong about that it isn’t funny. But I’m going to waste game time arguing with you about it. We will however have the debate later if you wish to continue it. Matsui – not the injured version – is fast running to first.
Evolution, according to your theory teams that don’t steal bases don’t have guys that are fast on the bases. That’s bunk.
HOLY $HIT!!!!!
JOBA LAYING OUT
holy…..
That was one of the greatest plays for the Yanks this year.. NICE JOBA!!
WOWWWWWWW
Wow!!!!!
HOLY COW!!!
Woah…did Joba just…WOW!!!!!!
Wow!
JOBA!
I think Joba just gave Joe a heart attack. Great play btw.
JOBA CHAMBERLIN IS NOT A SHORT STOP!
HAHAHAHA! Chamberlain looked like a whale beaching himself. Great play though.
Joba sooo rules!! so impressed!
Great play by Chamberlain….then, really heads up with the on target throw.
My whole life just flashed before me
greatest play by a pitcher ever
wow joba
PLAY OF THE WEEK!!!!!!!!!!!
Hell yeah Joba!
I think Brian Cashman just had a stroke!!
Joba’s facial expression
Please tell Angel Berroa I know a guy that can get him a job as a livery driver. Maybe even in Cleveland, so he doesn’t even have to get on the plane to come back.
LOL at CC and Pettitte.
he should be our center fielder
That there was the Chevy play of the game!
anyone hear sterling????
hahahaha big man can fly
That was crazy.
Great play by Joba, but not one I recommend he do again.
Also, you do realize that we will be hearing about his double fist pump for the next month, right?
I really LOL’d when I saw that happen. Sick play though.
Still on course for 1 run in 7 ip by dogsh*t pitcher. Still hope not, but… It is a longstanding Yankee tradition to be utterly impotent agaist junkballers, especially LH ones from Cleveland. Dates back years, even decades (yeah, I am that old). Disgraceful. Utterly disgraceful.
Defense baby
trisha,
melky’s pretty average in terms of speed, as is matsui. it’s not an opinion thing. check any scouting report on either player. neither gets down the line especially quickly, healthy or otherwise. melky’s not slow by any stretch of the imagination, but he’s not especially “fast.” matsui was never especially fast, but he ran hard. big difference.
there ya go jorge…wow that inning turned around in a hurry
well this inning was 100% luck
Just like the david cone play in 2000 but not injuring self!
My favorite part of that Joba play was Berroa’s waving “deer caught in the headlights” look behind him
Pettitte laughing lol
You can only have one tonight. A win or an errorless streak. Which one are you taking?
I don’t remember ever seeing a play like that by a pitcher…
Just remarkable!
Go Yanks!!!!!
Great inning by the Yanks and Joba especially.. Didn’t know he had that athleticism! Just bought himself another inning too..
What an inning! And I hate to say it but this is why you watch BBT. You know we just scored a web gem there! Maybe even number 1!!!!!
That was wild
Joba at 73 pitches.
get some run support for a play like that.
JOBA CHAMBALAIN IS A STARTING PITCHA!!!!!
lol that was a great play. I laughed at the thought of what the reaction of Cashman and everyone else with the baby bottle was.
You take the Win, M.
Joba is just a flat-out exciting player.
cmon Joba.
There was no need for a fist pump there – save those for a triple play.
Francesa will be all over that tomorrow.
The Yankees are sleepwalking again. Other than the Gardner at bat they haven’t challenged the junkballer. 72 pitches through 5 innings. 7 ERA – It is to weep.
“You can only have one tonight. A win or an errorless streak. Which one are you taking?”
I’ll take the win. It will mean more in the long run.
Even YES making them take furlough!
See ya Friday: We are taking our first series off over the next three days and have lots to do. (The bosses insist we take time off. We’re slightly paranoid about their insistence, but we mostly take it in stride.)
http://kimberlyjones.mlblogs.c.....eland.html
That’s a lot of Joba goin airborne all at one time. Sweet play.
If Yankees lose today this would be the first back to back loss since May 7th. Almost a month since they lost 2 in a row. That’s pretty damn good.
would be nice if the offense could get something going
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Too easy. Win.
sowers reminds me barry zito minus the huge breaking pitch
Great recovery from Chamberlain. Leadoff walk, hit, 3-0 count to Shoppach, then gets a bunt double play, throw out on steal. All on 15 pitches.
m
June 1st, 2009 at 8:41 pm
You can only have one tonight. A win or an errorless streak. Which one are you taking?
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Why choose??
But at the end of the day the win means more
the win
Win trumps streak, no question.
i’m tired of red sox fans constantly complaining about chamberlain’s antics, but plenty of our fans constantly complain about papelbon
i wish we could just stick to baseball. who cares?
DT – OPPC member (it’s in our blood) June 1st, 2009 at 8:43 pm
cmon Joba.
There was no need for a fist pump there – save those for a triple play.
Francesa will be all over that tomorrow.
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LOL
4 hours on it tomorrow. Book it
kasey, with respect to Matsui, maybe it’s the running hard. I remember watching him at fenway when he first came to the Yankees and he seriously flew to first base whenever he got a hit. So he runs hard.
I will definitely look at the scouting reports later and will gladly stand corrected if that information proves me wrong. I am definitely going on visuals with both but am willing to see how they are officially reported out.
I never ONCE saw Abreau dive for a ball like that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
people still watch baseball tonight? pass.
UPDATE, 8:42 p.m.: They just had the hot dog condiments race here at Progressive Field. The hot dog with onions won then pumped its fist in celebration. What a disgrace.
Yeah. You take the win. You can always start another streak.
Play of the year by Joba. That was unbelievable. I can’t remember ever seeing a pitcher dive like that for a ball.
We need to get a few runs for him here. Sowers wants to give in. He will if we let him.
the only two with hits are the guys with hitting streaks
The Reverse-Fosbury Flop will cost Chamberlain in the next court session.
I think the Yanks are gonna score this inning. Actually…I’m positive they will score unless Swisher GIDP.
Okay call me selfish. I am taking the win AND the errorless streak!
“i’m tired of red sox fans constantly complaining about chamberlain’s antics, but plenty of our fans constantly complain about papelbon”
Ghost, you can’t possibly be equating Joba’s fist pump with the crap that Papelsmear does. It’s not even close. And don’t even let me get started on K-Rod, who for some insane reason, thinks that God gives a rat’s behind if he saves a game!
“Win trumps streak, no question.”
Is that like Rock Paper Scissors?
Here we go…leadoff with two walks.
Come on Tex!
UPDATE, 8:42 p.m.: They just had the hot dog condiments race here at Progressive Field. The hot dog with onions won then pumped its fist in celebration. What a disgrace.
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LOL I wonder if Mike will talk about it for 3 hours tomorrow!! How dare he show up the ketchup and mustard. That is just sickening.
We Have to get these runners home
That might be the defining play of Joba’s career, like Jeter into the stands or Canseco HR off his dome. I just watched about 10 times already and keep LMAO cuz Joba practically did a belly flop. They showed CC and Pettite laughing histerically & Andy’s lips read “Oh My God!”.
trisha,
matsui definitely, definitely ran hard. no matter how broken down he may be, i have no doubt he’s still doing so to the best of his ability. i don’t think i’ll ever forget his apologizing for breaking his wrist in boston. nowhere near the player he once was, but absolutely a class act.
two walks to start an inning, they better not waste that.
Dear Yankees. Please score some runs here. I am asking very nicely.
“Okay call me selfish. I am taking the win AND the errorless streak!”
That’s not selfish, trisha – that’s greedy. I like it.
Erica not sure if you saw my reply earlier, I was sneaking peaks at work. SHHH
The corn came out very good. Took the stalks off, put butter, salt pepper than wrapped it in foil. It was nice and juicy.
come on Tex!!
tex’s friend
June 1st, 2009 at 8:46 pm
the only two with hits are the guys with hitting streaks
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Cabrera, Swisher and Rodriguez have short hitting streaks, going.
Laura – Stay in 1st place together, strike out alone!
June 1st, 2009 at 8:48 pm
“Okay call me selfish. I am taking the win AND the errorless
That’s not selfish, trisha – that’s greedy. I like it.
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Haha Laura- “Greedy”. Does John Flaherty know you are stealing one of his words?
bases loaded
time to pop out and then GIDP
Well they better do something with this. Bases juiced for da former juicer.
wow 3 walks with A-rod…how much you wanna bet he strikes out looking??
please dont ht into a triple play!!!
I bet Joe Girardi’s life flashed before his eyes as he watched his pitching prospect leap through the air! Regardless, that was an amazing play. Definitely going to be top 10 on sports center and definitely will be shown for a long time to come. Also, I enjoy 3 consecutive walks and Arod coming up. Just noooo GIDP.
Anybody else notice Hideki Irabu making a special guest appearance as the Yankees batboy tonight?
Okay, if we don’t plate at least 2 of these guys, I’m going to be very disappointed. I may even pout.
Make me happy Alex
I don’t think fans care as much as players. I like Paps, Joba, etc. and especially Valverde. I like being entertained…..which is why I’ve got Phillips on mute.
Joba play was incredible. And incredibly YES and Kay tried to spin it boring.
jennifer
June 1st, 2009 at 8:49 pm
Erica not sure if you saw my reply earlier, I was sneaking peaks at work. SHHH
The corn came out very good. Took the stalks off, put butter, salt pepper than wrapped it in foil. It was nice and juicy.
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I won’t tell! I am so glad the corn came out well. I’d hate to think I would have steered you on the wrong bbq path
I saw an interview when Ian Kennedy first came up to the bigs, back when him and Joba were best friends, and according to Ian…Joba never did that fist pump when they met that was something he just did one day. I laugh because Joba is always talking about being himself. I don’t usually get bothered by his fist pumps but, he doesn’t need to do them early in the game. Very unnecessary.
pete your updates are off the charts funny today. that springsteen exhibit must have amped you up.
why do i feel like alex and cano have pop-up/double-play written all over them?
Cano’s going to break it open.
“Haha Laura- “Greedy”. Does John Flaherty know you are stealing one of his words?”
He does say that a lot, doesn’t he? Well, he didn’t trademark it so I can borrow it for one night.
Bases loaded…how about some carnage for a change?
UPDATE, 8:42 p.m.: They just had the hot dog condiments race here at Progressive Field. The hot dog with onions won then pumped its fist in celebration. What a disgrace.
Haahahha that actually made me laugh out loud.
Safety squeeze!!!!!!!!!!! Just kidding…
ARod 2007: Grand slam or Three run double here.
ARod 2008: Triple play or strike out here.
ARod 2009: ???
I’m going to go with a two run ground ball single to right center field.
erica- My next task is to grill stuffed tomatoes. Saw a great recipe on williams-sonoma. sounded soooo good.
DT:
Lisa: (thinking) Poor predictable Bart, always takes ‘rock’.
Bart: (thinking) Good old ‘rock’. Nothing beats that!
the fist pumps come after a big out or big play, and seem to be pure emotion, not something manufactured or trying to show anyone up. I don’t have a problem with that. He’s not taunting anyone, he’s just showing some emotion.
never seen this kid pitch, anyone know if he’s any good?
Alex is so due for a bomb.
bases loaded
time to pop out and then GIDP
how much you wanna bet he strikes out looking??
please dont hit into a triple play!!!
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I’ll take a GS Homer, but will settle for a single.
It’s more fun in the OPPC.
Let’s get something here
i agree dutch. but what’s fair for our guy should be fair to papelbon
i hate that indians logo. it’s blatantly racist if you ask me
jennifer
June 1st, 2009 at 8:53 pm
erica- My next task is to grill stuffed tomatoes. Saw a great recipe on williams-sonoma. sounded soooo good.
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ooh- that does sound really good. Please let me know how that turns out. I am always looking for new things to bbq.
I try to stay off of the Williams and Sonoma website. I have been eyeing the stuffed pancake pan. There is a recipe on there for cinnamon bun filled pancakes that makes me drool.
you have to know a K is coming here.
I have a bad feeling about this inning. I could see a strikeout, and then a double play following that…Hope I’m wrong though.
I am so sure we are going to score this inning that if we don’t I will actually shut up until the end of the game and not say a word if anyone gets negative about the game! (Stop cheering and I know it’s a big decision here…)
ARod 2008 showed up
“i hate that indians logo. it’s blatantly racist if you ask me”
What is racist about the picture of a happy American Indian?
OH I SO CALLED THAT ONE!!!!!!
sets up the GIDP perfectly.
Statue
ouch.
please do NOT gidp posada
BS
erica
That looked good too. I’ve been looking at that myself. That site is dangerous!
Crappy strike call. Total bs, way inside.
POsada is up… quick SEND all the runners
what the HELL was that posada?
OH FUDGE~~
terrible…simply terrible
wow, we suck…what the hell Jorge?
omg – you need to get a freaking run here…
Unfrigginreal……………….
lame-sada
terrible. absolutely terrible.
Are you kidding me.. This inning going down the drain real quick.. Sickening!
I am going to ask again-
Dear Yankees. Please, please score some runs here.
Bases loaded, no outs and first two hitters get out. New York Yankees baseball.
Ooooooh…
This is irritating.
Oh boy…after a great half inning with Joba, this inning is looking pretty horrible.
Or the Seinfeld version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyCa-LHtIKE
ARod ugh!
This team is terrible with runners at 3rd, less than 2 outs. If you do not score at least 1 here, it could be the game.
Amazing how all they have to do is put it in play with any kind of authority, and A-Rod stands there for a called 3rd strike and Posada dribbles the FIRST PITCH back to the mound.
WOW, this is sad… Cano better drive them in or we’re really in trouble.
oyvey posada
Yup, know runs. I was right
. Cano can’t hit in the clutch at all.
you have to kidding me…base loaded no runs
only the yanks can manage to go bases loaded no outs and not get a run for their 4,5,6 hitters
situational hitting….this team sucks a it
wowwwwwwww
that is sad.
Cough………………
*no
Wow.
Fail fail fail
You gotta love it. What a joke.
just unbelievable.
I am sick to my stomach. there was no need not to get a damn run out of that inning…
they will lose this game
wow, that’s pathetic…and it all starts with A-ROD, sorry, but I saw that coming with Tex’s count at 3-1
I would comment, but it’s best that I don’t.
why in the world are we swinging at the first pitch?
cano did what the others should of..sickening
that’s some awful baseball. they’re going to lose this game and they deserve it.
“OH I SO CALLED THAT ONE!!!!!!”
Are you happy to be right?
Inexcusable. Looking at strike 3 and then Posada and Cano back to swinging at the first pitch again. Please oh please don’t go back to your old ways again !!!!
Talk to you after the game.
WOW, ARE YOU SERIOUS?
All they had to do was hit a fly ball, a double play grounder, ANYTHING, and they scored NOTHING.
NOTHING, WITH BASES LOADED, NO OUTS, and 4-5-6 COMING UP.
This team beats itself, plain and simple. Yesterday all they had to do was hit it in the air and they win, and they hit into a DP. Today, all they have to do is HIT IT PERIOD, and they don’t.
If they lose this game, it will be disgraceful.
Eek that was no good.
pretty nice we got 3 outs on the final 3 pitches of the inning
nice job guys…good situational hitting there
That’s just pathetic. Giftwrapped and all and they can’t push across even one.
Jesus. We are the only team in baseball that can turn a bases-loaded, nobody out (with 4-5-6 coming up) situation into something bad. Pathetic. Unbelievably pathetic.
Joba needs to pick those fools up now and not allow the tribe to use that as momentum boost, which so often happens.
That’s about as bad as you can do offensively. Bases loaded, 0 outs, and the guy is out of it in 6 pitches.
Just awful, awful hitting against a last place team.
No other way to say it.
Gotta hope they can hold them to one run tonight and hope they can find a way to score one more run.
Hard to believe Arod, Posada and Cano can have 3 worst AB’s in that kind of situation.
That’s what you call an epic fail. Nice inning by the offense.
A-Rod looked like he was practicing striking out with the bases loaded for October. Nice way to end the rally, first out or not!
RISP=Runners in Stranded position
How about Dom, Dom and Dommer.
pathetic. only team that can manage to do that.
Good job, Jorge and Cano.
2 pitches between them. real, REAL LAME.
That was disgraceful.
Nothing outstanding, Kay, except the pitching to Alex. Jorge and Cano down on 2 strikes.
There was no way to hit that third strike to Rodriguez. It wasn’t even a strike. It was on the line of the right handed batter’s box.
Posada choked 2 games in a row
unbelievable,bases loaded no outs,AND *No Runs scored*.
i feel that in some games they just wanna lose
Somebody needs to take these guys and teach them how to hit the ball in the air in that situation. We are the worst at just hitting sac flies. The worst. It kills us over and over and over.
really amazing that just happened…im in disbelief
Finally the real A-ROD is BACKKKKK………
Poor Joba single handedly saves the inning before and his team lets him down.. Wonder how he will react to that this inning?
If that would have been our bullpen, CLE would have scored 5.
gnight trish
Bases loaded, nobody out, and our clean up hitter can’t even get a ball in the air -
A-Choke is back!
This team still struggles with RISP. I thought last year was a fluke, I guess I was wrong.
All the posters who predicted strike outs, double plays, no runs that inning – stand up and cheer for each other. You are good. The Indians couldn’t have done it without you!
r u kidding me?
Arod was pitched tough but thats 5 straight crap at bats by Posada.
That was a disgrace.
Can we go back to May?
kkthxbai
The most shocking thing is that they went down on 6 pitches. From a pitcher who had walked 5 guys in 7 innings of prior work.
way to capitalize on THREE walks………..THREE!!!!!!!!!
The Yankees are the only team in baseball that would blow that chance. The Yankees must be one of the worst team in baseball at driving in runners from third with less than 2 outs, and there is no surprise in my mind if they are the ABSOLUTE WORST.
Good teams score 2 or 3 runs there. Scoring zero is just pathetic, and it probably loses you the game unless you get LUCKY that Joba pitches well.
It’s not better to be LUCKY than GOOD, you SCORE A RUN there and you don’t need “luck.” How about we drive in runners from 3rd with less than 2 outs and stop blaming the pitchers or Brett Gardner? It all comes down to the heart of our order not getting it done when it really counts.
“Hard to believe Arod, Posada and Cano can have 3 worst AB’s in that kind of situation.”
not really that hard to believe at all, especially posada and cano.
When is it actually supposed to start raining there?
WOW. How did we not score?
have to give a little credit to aquino there but if i’m posada and cano facing a guy i’ve never seen, i take a pitch or two to see his stuff
hey, that was a fun inning. bases loaded, no outs, no runs. fun to watch
Gramps Berroa with the quick reflexes!
this team with a man on 3rd and less than 2 outs…just embarassing. if they are not last in driving in hat runner, i don’t know who is
they have to have the fewest sac flies and sac groundouts in baseball
“pathetic. only team that can manage to do that.”
Actually, I saw the White Sox do that very thing earlier this year. Bases loaded, no outs and they got nothing. Of course, their lineup doesn’t compare to ours, but still.
Pepitone-He bats 347 w/RISP w/17 grand slams. Calm down.
You had a sense that A-Rod would choke, but someone else needs to stare at a couple of pitches.
you cant choke worst
What the heck is Posada doing? Has he even seen 5 pitches tonight? That’s the second out he has made on 1 pitch.
We are literally the only team in baseball who can screw up so badly in that spot. Arod doesn’t swing his bat with 2 strikes and Posada and Cano swing at the first pitch. How about putting a LITTLE pressure on the pitcher?
Even the bottom of the Nationals order would probably take a pitch in that situation.
Big AB here against Victor Martinez.
Erica writes “When is it actually supposed to start raining there?”
Answer: Right after the Indians score to take a lead
I’m still feeling ill…….
Oh please they want to lose. Another stupid comment. Yes they were awful ab, but do you think that Jorge went up there and said I don’t want to hit a sac fly I want to lose. Please stop it already.
I would rather the Yanks had scored there and everyone kept on commenting to their heart’s desire.
Nonetheless, there is plenty to be *optimistic* about:
– Joba still dealing.
– We are already into their bullpen.
– Berroa is still helping with the defense and making my under-.5-errors prop stand up.
I think we will win this game!
Sowers look-a-like Eli Manning.
Cano: .345/.372/.560 bases empty, .274/.303/.453 RISP
the other two are more surprising
you don’t give away opportunities like that and win the game. it just doesn’t happen.
by the way, that’s how you beat this team, AL. pitch around jeter, damon (or swisher in this case) and tex and then let the rest of the lineup take care of it for you.
that was godawful.
Oh and we’ve gotten out of bases juiced no out situations this year.
John
June 1st, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Erica writes “When is it actually supposed to start raining there?”
Answer: Right after the Indians score to take a lead
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Oh- don’t say that!!! The Cleveland bullpen is stinky. The Yanks will get to them
I think Posada’s coming back changed the chemistry of this winning team.
Really like Posada a lot,but he wasn’t apart
of the Yankees resurgence.
We can win. Of course.
But the worm has turned.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure they had the bases loaded w no out in Fenway earlier this season & failed to score…
“Actually, I saw the White Sox do that very thing earlier this year.”
Did they do it on 6 pitches? Were the hitters making a combined $50 million? Was the pitcher a no-name rookie?
Sorry, I’m a little frustrated
Many of you are so disrespectful and ugly.
You can point to our record in 1 run games all you want, but the fact of the matter is, we only play that many of them because we CANNOT HIT SITUATIONALLY.
We absolutely REFUSE to tack on, or score runners from 3rd with less than 2 outs. They seriously have lost 50% of the games they have lost this year by 2 or 3 runners stranded at 3rd with 0 or 1 out. They are the difference in the game, and good teams score those 80% of the time. This team scores them about 50% of the time, which is why they don’t win crucial games.
This team would be 15 games over .500 if they could just hit a freaking sacrifice fly once in a while. Amazing how something so simple eludes this team on a consistent basis.
Jobber!
very good inning by joba coming out after waiting a long time for nothing
The Yanks have found ways to lose games like this.. Just go back to yesterdays game.. Situational hitting and nothing to show for it! Gardner missing the steal sign. Not taking pitches with Posada and Cano.. At least let the pitcher throw strikes!
brent-That’s ridiculous.
they let us off the hook with that dp pop up bunt and caught stealing. then we let them off the hook with that bases loaded situation. we’re even as far as i’m concerned
“that’s some awful baseball. they’re going to lose this game and they deserve it.”
I agree on part 1.
I disagree on part 2.
(unless this game was played this afternoon and I’m watching Yes replay – then all bets are off)
yep…
bottom of the order
will score
two runs
this inning!!!
Go Yanks!
erica, yeah they showed that last inning. LOL
Cano hit the sacrifice fly, only with two outs thanks to Posada swinging lamely on the 1st pitch.
Cano have always choke with the bases loaded i think his avg is like around .200
“Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure they had the bases loaded w no out in Fenway earlier this season & failed to score…”
You’re right…and in that very same inning the Sox tied the game off Mo.
*Good Joba,good*.
Hey guys, we’re still playing.
Top of the 6th was like having first and goal at the one and getting stuffed four straight times. Wow.
melky, berroa, gardner
weeeeeeeee
Joba doesn’t deserve this. He’s pitching great and the lack of run support is atrocious.
The irony of all ironies. Joba pitches 7 1 run innings and then someone else pitches the 8th and loses the game.
The irony of all ironies. Joba pitches 7 1 run innings and then someone else pitches the 8th and loses the game.
I am glad I changed the channel to watch Jon and Kate plus 8.
gameday had joba as high as 98
just filthy
yankees are 21st in the majors in sac flies by the way
not real happy lately w/ Posada myself…
Somebody take Posada to the tool shed and Ol Yeller this fool. He is so done that it’s not even funny.
Only 96 Ravi.
What did I miss? A lot it seems.
getting the jobba done tonight! he’ll see the seventh and maybe the eighth!
JoPo’s done? You’re gross.
brent, your post is absurd. jorge tends to get a bit over-anxious in those situations. he’s been doing it for years. and cano swings at the first pitch pretty frequently. once a-rod struck out (also not shocking), the result there was all but written in stone. i don’t know why anyone was especially surprised.
Unbelievable play by Joba in the fifth. I can’t remember a play like that by a Yankee pitcher since Mariano made a similar one some time in the late ’90s. And everyone knows Mariano’s an athlete. To see that from Joba – wow!
double time
A-Rod bats 346 w/bases loaded and 17 grand slams.
what do the rest of you think we should do when wang is ready to start? put chamberlain in the bullpen or send down hughes?
berroa will give joba the run he needs
15 men LOB by your 4,5, and 6 hitters doesn’t do it.
how close was Matsui from being hit with that first pitch?
That was 97 and 98 mph fastballs none below 95 that inning. That ‘special’ enough for you? He is on fire here tonight.
It’s no surprise that Cory Aquino got out of that inning. He has People Power.
(please please please someone tell me that got that)
If a player is prone to swing at the first pitch.. Then isn’t his or the managers plan to have the hitter be more selective depending on the situation?? EX: Cano
Nice walk Godzilla.
Whether they score or not, Girardi better not even think about taking Joba out of this game.
Good job Matsui, go take a shower.
Is this a good time to point out that Berroa has left the game after 6 innings and committed ZERO errors?
brett will double…c’mom, Brett
I feel like I’ve watched this inning a thousand times (Matsui with a leadoff walk late in the game).
Usually it doesn’t end well for the Yanks.
Hopefully it will this time.
i blame this on John Sterling every time he opens his big mouth about how if they dont score they deserve to win they Actually ahve never scored
BG will go upper deck.
changed my mind…how ’bout a triple
Still on course for 1 run in 7 ip. PATHETIC. Wish it were not so predictable.
Corazon Aquino.
Steven Jackson making his MLB debut on SNY against the mets if anyone wants to see.
Is that a Gardner chant in Cleveland?? How random
Baseball fans are so stupid. Do they really think that yelling Gardner is going to rattle Brett?
if i’m girardi i put on a bunt here. gardner’s not much of a hitter
Mo: Our only good reliever
June 1st, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Pepitone-He bats 347 w/RISP w/17 grand slams. Calm down.
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Why don’t you calm down. I’ve been saying this bum is a choke for the past 4 years, and he has done nothing to change my mind. A-Choke does this too much when the pressure is on and the Yanks desperately need a run. He cannot handle the pressure situations – period.
Stats are for suckers, I want to see him do it on the field when it counts.
Joba at 82 pitches.
“It’s no surprise that Cory Aquino got out of that inning. He has People Power.”
I got it. And I’m not even Filipino.
I think Arod was Rock. Posada was Paper. Cano was Scissors.
Steven Jackson against Gary Sheffield lol
Erica: yes, this is a good time. The under hit! Cha-ching!
nick,
well played! WELL PLAYED!
Cy Aquino
Yeah Steve, Gardner and his 20% career K% is a contact hitter. Moron.
Figures, it got too late out for Berroa. Well he made it 6 strong innings
“Stats are for suckers, I want to see him do it on the field when it counts.”
That hurt my eyes.
Nick
Fillipino humor. Very high brow.
Jeter up to hit into a dp. lol
GGBG nice…
Okay, where were these walks last inning, Aquino?
wow this inning seems eerily familiar…..
Who will pitch the 8th for us?
Well, the Angels would double steal here with a righty at the plate.
stats are for suckers! sowers is a cy young contender!
Double steal would be nice.
Nobody Beats the VIZ, NOBODY!
Tom and DT: thank you, I was worried about that one.
And to the guy who said that the bottom third of the order tonight were all *automatic outs*, that is now two walks aka not outs, and I’m not counting Matsui’s pinch-walk.
This is setting up perfectly for a swish DP
show bunt and double steal?
Let’s Go Yanks!!!!
I can totally see a double steal
That’s not a mist; that’s a drizzle.
So, do you think Francessa will be happy if Joba finally pitches the ninth tonight?
come on its starting to rain…
Er, eighth, not ninth.
if swisher repeats what he did in Texas, you gotta be kidding me
Bases loaded!
Nick Swisher
Swisssssssssh shut the haters up!!!
Here comes a Swish DP……………………….
we need one run…come on
uggg i was counting on jete over swish. But lets go nick!!!
They are going to nail it this time. Quote me
maaaaan. swisher is the wrong guy at the plate here.
Michael Kay is putting it best. The Indians are trying their hardest to give us this game- 6 walks in the last two innings, and we aren’t capitalizing…yet.
Bases loaded 1 out.
Gotta get something here now. Come on
Dejavu all over again
Double play coming up!
double play is so scary right now
Pleaaaaaase no force out at home and fly out to center.
At this point, I’d be happy with a sac fly.
we’ll score this time. Then Joba to pitch to the 7th and 8th. Hey Francesa is right, Joba should pitch the eighth, ONCE EVERY FIVE DAYS!
If we don’t score now, we really don’t deserve to win this game. 6 walks in 1.2 innings is crazy.
The worst thing that can happen now is the Yanks don’t score and a rain delay takes Joba out of the game.
Usually I’m optimistic but unless Swisher draws a walk, I don’t see this at bat going very well.
He just looks TERRIBLE at the plate right now.
Come on Swish!! Shut the haters up! Please!!
Double to the gap…clearing the bases.
Cmon on Swish. Make the OPPC proud
Nick needs to hit on the road, they are headed home. Come on Swish!
Please Joe if he going to strike out,sacfly and bring in a run.
Here we go again…bases loaded. How about some carnage for a change? [Jedi mind trick] You *will* score some runs this inning. [/Jedi mind trick]
(if you let me play, this time it will be for the rest of the night!)
Scouting report……….the guy can’t throw strikes
OK, JUST STAND THERE. Don’t help him out.
I cannot wait for us to leave that frakin’ city. It’s like playing in the Bronx Zoo.
Disagree miggs. His first inning AB was good. The second, not so much. He has looked better the last few days though.
And *I* am so confident that they will score in this inning that if they don’t, I will not even attempt any humor until the game is over.
damon?
Hey- Can I be an unofficial OPPC member?
If that is the kind of swing that Nick Swisher takes on a 2-0 middle middle fastball, put the take sign on for the rest of the at bat.
Kay is killing me
these birds are out of control. maybe they should stop putting new grass seed in the outfield before every game
this is really just inexcuseable…the walks, no runs, the birds, the bugs, hell – bring out the giraffes at this point!
Are the Yankees afraid to hurt the seagulls or something? Is that way they won’t hit the ball out of the infield?
Swisha!!!!
kay, we get it there are birds in the outfield and you’re easily amused
That’s more like it.
sick!
Perfecto!
you go Nick and the birds!!
swish makes it happen
Told ya, Miggs.
Thank you
Our prayers have been answered.
thank goodness. runs!
Eat it haters!!!
SWISHER!!
You haters can leave my boy alone!
HUGE!!!!!
Game!
Great Job Swisha!! Finally some clutch hitting.. Joba loves you!!
Swish = vindicated.
Okay, I’ll eat crow!!!!!!!!!!! I’ll GLADLY eat crow
Nick the stick and LIGHTNING in it to win it.
Swisher almost Grand Slammed that! Nice!
Swisha is not a pitcha!!!!
Swishy!!!!
comeon arod end this thang
Erica
June 1st, 2009 at 9:19 pm
They are going to nail it this time. Quote me
********
I LOVE when I go psychic!
sar515
June 1st, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Double to the gap…clearing the bases.
you my friend, are a positive poster. congrats.
From the corner – swish and it counts
kasey
June 1st, 2009 at 9:19 pm
maaaaan. swisher is the wrong guy at the plate here.
Love to see stupid posts proved wrong….every time.
Wow, what an insult to A-Rod.
Ok, forget I said that
Nice job, Swish. And I’m glad those runs scored off Aquino.
Whoa, I though Swisher hit that baby outta there.
I’LL TAKE IT!!!!!!!!!!
That’s clutch!
Whew! Sorry, you will continue to be pun-ished.
An 80 foot wall, just missed a gs hit it 75 feet up.
wow, didn’t think i’d see the day when a team loads the bases for a-rod
don’t mind being wrong about that one
way to break out Swish!
nicely done!
Alex, that is disrespect!! Smack it out the park.
so funny, that A-Rod is up again with RISP and they want to pitch to him!!
I’m shocked! But here we go, this is it. They can put this game away for good here if they tack on another run or two, so they have to get in at least the 4th run now and give themselves a cushion.
The tack on runs are key in a close game, especially when you know the rain is coming.
sar515
June 1st, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Double to the gap…clearing the bases.
CLOSE!
Lol, one hit doesn’t all of a sudden mean he should be on the team. But he HAS been hitting the ball better as of late (even if he hasn’t been getting hits), so it’s not that surprising.
Here’s hoping Alex makes them pay.
Can Arod come through ??? Another chance w bases loaded & less than 2 outs…
“Hey- Can I be an unofficial OPPC member?”
Why can’t you be an official member?
*about Melky and speed* – Rachel, patrick, and kasey
Last year Melky had 2 less steals than Jeter with more than 100 less AB. This year he is 4th in steals behind Jeter, Damon and Gardner. I said that he is one of the fastest runners on the team and I stand by that. I didn’t say nobody was faster than Melky.
Laura – Stay in 1st place together, strike out alone!
June 1st, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Wow, what an insult to A-Rod.
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Not really. It’s a “pick your poison” time, and hope for a DP..
Meanwhile, the Cleveland Society of Seagulls is meeting in right center.
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Pete you are on a roll tonight.
Beat the Viz Alex!
Alex!!!
oh, Tex…it’s ok…
alex
Last year Melky had 2 less steals than Jeter with more than 100 less AB. This year he is 4th in steals behind Jeter, Damon and Gardner. I said that he is one of the fastest runners on the team and I stand by that. I didn’t say nobody was faster than Melky.
trisha, stolen bases doesn’t always measure speed. like i said, read a scouting report. he’s not an especially fast player.
trisha, gotta disagree on Melky. His speed score’s only 5.3 for his career, and it hasn’t been above average since 2007.
Game+!
So we get to go for the game AND the record!
Erica
June 1st, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Hey- Can I be an unofficial OPPC member?
If you don’t mind being chastised for being positive, welcome to the club!
trisha – OPPC member
June 1st, 2009 at 9:27 pm
“Hey- Can I be an unofficial OPPC member?”
Why can’t you be an official member?
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Woohoo! Thanks Trisha
A-Rod! 5-1 Yanks!
bad play by Tex,where was he going?????????
That’s great. Hard smash past short for 2 runs.
Trisha, you couldn’t even keep your promise for a full inning???
Don’t write checks your butt can’t cash!
Jesus Tex…
Why are we always so eager to get out of rallies?
Whatever…Small details.
Well Done ALEX
OK A Rod, that’s more like it.
That’s doing it on the field.
Tex with a base running mistake?
Joba’s pitch count?
somebody beats the Viz
DT – OPPC member (it’s in our blood)
June 1st, 2009 at 9:30 pm
Erica
June 1st, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Hey- Can I be an unofficial OPPC member?
If you don’t mind being chastised for being positive, welcome to the club!
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Haha, nah, it’s cool. Trust me- I have been called much worse names than “positive” in my life.
Where ya goin Tex
Good job Arod
“trisha, gotta disagree on Melky. His speed score’s only 5.3 for his career, and it hasn’t been above average since 2007.”
thank you, kevin.
come on cano..
Wow, I’m starting to think that CLE’s bullpen is worse than ours. LOL!
Damn tex that hurts, bases would have been juiced again.
Would you rather get pooped on by Seagulls or swarmed by midges??????????????Cleveland, a great place to visit!!!
That looks so much like the Luis V. we all remember
Actually…EVERYBODY beats the Viz!
GB7 – All the posts here are stupid,except yours of course. Tool..
82, jennifer.
Erica, thank YOU! We love having people join hands with us!!! (There is strength in numbers, or something like that.) And we’re all co-sponsors, which now makes you one also.
Joba’s at 82
Todd
June 1st, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Would you rather get pooped on by Seagulls or swarmed by midges??????????????Cleveland, a great place to visit!!!
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Somehow I don’t think they put that line in the Cleveland travel brochures.
Berroa would have made that play!
Berroa traded tomorrow for DeRosa!!!!
Hopefully we can get 2 more out of Jobber than hand it to Mo.
Cano is in one of his dumb at bats mode.
He’ll come out of it, but when he’s in one of these, man does he look like he’s clueless up there.
What the hell is a speed score?
I’m not saying this to be dismissive, I really want to know.
trisha – OPPC member
June 1st, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Erica, thank YOU! We love having people join hands with us!!! (There is strength in numbers, or something like that.) And we’re all co-sponsors, which now makes you one also.
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Awesome. But I highly recommend surgical gloves if you wish to join hands with me. LOL. I am in serious quarantine
ok, Joba…let’s do this
good inning..i know most people despise gardner for one reason or another but his two walks have been either started or built a rally…his first walk came on 9 pitches after being down 0-2..second one came after 1-2..something to think about
8 walks by Cleveland pitchers in two innings?
Veras and Edwar would fit right in there!
That Shoo putting on a showcase for the Yankees
I opted back in with a bigger promise.
Kevin, I saw his speed ranked at 60. That is above average. 50 is average. He has the 4th highest number of steals on the team.
I think I will stay with my take on Melky if you don’t mind. Since I have some numbers to back it up I’m quite satisfied with what I have said.
I respect your right to have a different take.
come on..lets keep the lead.
Yankee Trader
June 1st, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Berroa would have made that play!
Berroa traded tomorrow for DeRosa!!!!
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Hahaha. Do you think Cashman has naked pictures of the Cleveland GM to get him to make that trade?
Tom in N.J. – http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....peed-score
The comments section has a discussion about it that actually explains it better than the actual blurb does.
No chooooo moves to 2nd.
whoa, thought Pena would end the errorless streak there.
Joba’s pitch count is getting up there, but it would honestly be hilarious if he ended up pitching the 8th. Then everyone would be happy!!! bahaha
“Wow, I’m starting to think that CLE’s bullpen is worse than ours. LOL!”
It is worse than ours. That’s why they need to trade with us for Kei Igawa!!!
wow I forgot about Aceves.
so the ESPN guys think the Yankees have a good bullpen…are they watching the same team I am?
98…
As long as the promise had a secret opt-in/opt-out clause, no complaints from me. I would rather have positivity and winning baseball than the alternative. I just want to know what to believe.
This is b.s. put Joba in the pen…….kidding
That is some good VELOCITAH!!
Nice to see Chamberlain is maintaining the speed and control into the 7th inning. That’s a plus. That and cutting off the 4th inning before it got out of hand were huge turning points in the game, and hopefully in his young career. It proves to himself and the doubters that he can do it.
trisha, I’m not being argumentative, I’m discussing. You’re using the scouting scale, one I’m familiar with. Quite honestly, I’m kind of surprised that Melky would score a 60, is that current? I wasn’t referring to his scouting grade, but the Bill James speed score I linked to a couple posts ago. And as always, never have an issue with a civil disagreement.
ok – get the K here…
Joba got midges!
Joba got midges!
wow, that’s gutsy. stealing down 4 runs, with 8 outs left in the game.
Joba at 97-98
Get the ball to mo..
Oh that Choo
Yes is showing 96 on last fastball. What is ESPN showing?
2 runs in 7 innings!!! This is…
let him come out for the 8th
Anyone know the pitch count? Joba to the 8th?
Maybe I have really good hearing, but has anyone noticed a lot of F-Bombs being dropped by players this series?
Seriously, what do we do with 6 starters??? I know it’s a good problem to have…
Chamberlin is throwing in the mid to high 90s … did someone reset his regulator?
“What the hell is a speed score?
I’m not saying this to be dismissive, I really want to know.”
I don’t blame you and I certainly don’t consider that dismissive. I will link you to a site that has both the score and the list of definitions.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com.....rera.shtml
(I’ll find the definition page for you in a minute. Still looking)
Yeah Joba to the pen. Uhm . . . no.
Jobber Chamberlain is a starting pitcher!
Well done Joba
Welcome back Jorge.
Yes is showing 98 on last fastball. What is ESPN showing?
No Way Jose
Being stuck in Cleveland for 5 days brings on lots of F-Bombing..
Joba looks like one of the 4-5 best pitchers in baseball tonight. Alex in B-town is a genius! lol
UPDATE, 9:32 p.m.: The Yankees have drawn eight walks in the last two innings (one intentional). How bad is that by the Cleveland pitchers?
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Worse that the Yankees only scored 5 runs.
Choo was just showcasing himself in case that Hughes trade is still on the table.
So, who pitches the 8th?
If Joe puts in Veras, I’m coming through my computer screen to personally strangle him!
they should let Joba pitch the 8th.
Joba’s at 95
great performance for joba (assuming hes done)…plus that 2nd run was of the….ehhhhhhhhhhhh variety….great job(a)
NYY needs to score about three runs and see if Chamberlain can give them 8 strong innings. That’s one part that him and the other pitchers have got to get better at….controlling the runners.
7 inn 4 2 2 5K’s aaaaaaaaaaa….i’ll give his perfomance a c- at best.
Just kidding, he pitched great!
Kevin S, Thank you.
I asked back in in a post. Nobody objected. End of story.
trisha – stolen bases don’t necessarily make a player fast. jose lopez stole 31 bases in the minors, he’s not an especially fast player. david eckstein was among the cards’ leaders in stolen bases, nobody’s calling eckstein especially fast. so on.
Yeah, Joba pitching the 8th makes much more sense than 7 innings, 2 run ball
It’s starting to lightning…Can we put Berroa back in??
Well, JB is great, so now PH to BP? hahaha, we have 6 good starters
I believe those midges know when Joba is on the mound.
They just love that boy.
UPDATE, 9:41 p.m.: Joba through seven: two runs on four hits with two walks and five strikeouts. He was hititng 97 in that last inning as he approached 100 pitches. Cleveland is third in the AL in runs scored, by the way.
Coming up tomorrow on WFAN: Lets talk about the Mets!
Cliff
June 1st, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Yeah, Joba pitching the 8th makes much more sense than 7 innings, 2 run ball
yep, especially if it’s CC, WANG, Pettite, and hughes pitching the 7 innings.
Veras pitches for cleveland?
wow, Melky is laboring LV, if not Gucci, haha
During the games, Girardi hardly sits. What does the bench coach have to do? He has to to just stand with the manager
May be he should be called standing coach 
reading this thread has me stunned and puzzled and dismayed.
How can you get throughlife not having seen Judge Judy!!!!!!!!!?!!!!!
Punch-Out on the Wii is the most fun I’ve ever had playing a video game.
So a promise is contingent upon people vocally objecting to its being broken?
(don’t get upset, please, this is far from a serious topic)
The seagulls setting up the spray chart in the outfield again.
and Melky get a walk
I’m not worried about Matsui’s speed – I’m more worried that this game is a *definite loss* because the Yankees didn’t score with bases loaded/no outs in the 6th!
melky cabrera is so fast, he doesn’t draw walks. he draws sprints.
Testing- none of my posts are going through!!!!
Trisha, Thank you too.
Lave Joba in
Do not go to the bullpen
Joba absolutely belongs in the 8th inning. That is, after he’s pitched the first 7.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with Cabrera’s foot speed and nothing wrong with his base running. If they turn him completely loose and there are opportunities, he’ll steal 20+ bases a year.
#test
Pena fail
Why would you bunt there
2 strike bunt? what am I missing here
“I asked Girardi point blank why Berroa is on the team”
Cashman then put on his best Nathan Thurm, the chain-smoking paranoid lawyer from SNL, impersonation.
“I know that. Of course I know that. Why wouldn’t I know that? I’m not being defensive. You’re the one who’s being defensive.”
That was a girardi call
BJK June 1st, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Joba absolutely belongs in the 8th inning. That is, after he’s pitched the first 7.
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Hahahaha
can someone teach Pena how to bunt? two foul buts?
Uncle Ellsworth: good to see you. I give you complete credit for optimistically predicting Joba’s strong and lengthy performance more accurately than I did.
Rookie mistakes don’t get pats on the back
What’s with the “Gardener” chants?
When’s the next Kangaroo court?
Pena’s going to lose some cash.
Todd
June 1st, 2009 at 9:42 pm
Seriously, what do we do with 6 starters??? I know it’s a good problem to have
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As the great Pete Abraham once said, “If your biggest problem is too much starting picthing, then your second biggest problem should be what date to hold the ticker tape parade”
Pena is a kid relax. So he made a mistake. Lets not crucify him
Mets fail
“Coming up tomorrow on WFAN: Lets talk about the Mets!” Hahahaha. Pete you’re too much tonight. Boy the joba-pen fetishists look stupid tonight. Listening to seth everett, and he’s still trying to defend his position on why joba should be in the pen. Pathetic!!!
hey Viz – there is no need to hit people…chill out
Hey, haven’t I seen this pitcher somewhere before?
If you bunt with two strikes, you need to sacrifice totally and make sure the ball is fair.
Pena was trying for a perfect base hit bunt – ok with one strike – dumb with two.
WHOAAA VIZ. Not the captain.
The Hecklers are killing me tonight.
“Why would you bunt there”
Girardi in the postgame: “It’s been addressed.”
s/b Girardi putting on the Thurm act, though it’s not possible to imagine Girardi smoking a cigarette to the filter.
Joba’s comming back out!
see Joba is going to pitch the 8th and hand the ball to Mo
Well yeah… WFAN will talk Mets tomorrow if they don’t come back
They blew a 5 run lead to the Pirates, bottom 8th, 6-5 Buccos LOL
Nick in SF
June 1st, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Uncle Ellsworth: good to see you. I give you complete credit for optimistically predicting Joba’s strong and lengthy performance more accurately than I did.
……and that of the game caller