Game 54: Rangers at Yankees (updates with Burnett suspension, Girardi audio)
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YANKEES (31-22)
Damon LF
Swisher RF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Cano 2B
Matsui DH
Cabrera CF
Cervelli C
Pena SS
Pitching: RHP Chien-Ming Wang (0-3, 16.07).
RANGERS (31-21)
Kinsler 2B
Young 3B
Blalock DH
Cruz RF
Murphy LF
Byrd CF
Davis 1B
Teagarden C
Andrus SS
Pitching: RHP Brandon McCarthy (5-2, 4.35).
TIME/TV: 1:05 p.m., YES.
STATE OF THE ‘STRIPES: The Yankees will try and win the series today as they return Chien-Ming Wang to the rotation. Wang was 0-3 with a 34.50 ERA in his first three starts of the season. He then went on the disabled list and pitched well in three relief appearances.
TEXAS TANGLE: The Yankees are 3-2 against Texas this season and have won 26 of their last 38 games against the Rangers.
SO LONG, VICENTE?: The Rangers have reportedly asked for release waivers on RHP Vicente Padilla, who hit Mark Teixeira twice on Tuesday. Manager Ron Washington would not comment after the game last night.
HOME COOKING: The Yankees have won nine of their last 12 at home.
WEATHER REPORT: The field is not covered and we should be OK. It’s not ideal June weather but it beats going to work, right?
That’s all I have for now. Much more to come later once we speak to the manager. Plus live blogging all game.
UPDATE, 11:38 a.m.: MLB has suspended A.J. Burnett six games. It is expected he will appeal.
UPDATE, 12:02 p.m.: Burnett has in fact appealed. Here is the MLB release:
Discipline has been issued to the two starting pitchers from the Tuesday, June 2nd game between the Texas Rangers and the New York Yankees at Yankee Stadium. Bob Watson, Vice President of On-Field Operations for Major League Baseball, made the announcement.
Yankees pitcher A.J. Burnett has been suspended for six games and fined an undisclosed amount for intentionally throwing a pitch in the head area of Nelson Cruz of the Rangers during the top of the fifth inning. Burnett’s six-game suspension had been scheduled to begin this afternoon, when New York continues to host Texas, but he has elected to appeal. Thus, his suspension will be held in abeyance until the process is complete.
Major League Baseball also has issued an undisclosed fine to Rangers pitcher Vicente Padilla, who intentionally threw a pitch at Mark Teixeira of the Yankees during the bottom of the fourth inning.
While I’m sure some people will want to storm the gates at Park Ave. over this, Watson’s decision is completely consistent with his past decisions. Josh Beckett, for instance, for suspended without actually hitting anybody earlier this season.
Burnett went with the traditional, “When you pitch inside, the ball gets away sometimes” defense. But you, I and everybody else knows what he did. Part of being a stand-up guy is taking the hit from MLB. I would guess the suspension gets knocked down a day and they finagle their way through the rotation.
UPDATE, 12:22 p.m.: Burnett also has a scraggly little Sean Penn as Spicoli sort of mustache going. … Mark Teixeira said his bruised right ankle was better and he would not be limited. … Phil Hughes will not be available until tomorrow. … Girardi said he would be satisfied if Wang could give them six innings. His pitch count will be around 80.
UPDATE, 12:56 p.m.: Here is Joe Girardi’s pre-game press conference. He talked about Wang, Hughes, the bullpen and other issues. This was before we knew about Burnetts suspension:
The Yankees don’t have a day off until June 15, hence the day off for Jeter. Posada is getting the day game after a night game.
Pretty decent day in the Boogie Down as it turns out. No rain, partly cloudy, around 60.
UPDATE, 1:09 p.m.: OK, were underway in the Bronx. Big game for CMW as the Yankee try and take the series from Texas. Enjoy the game, keep checking for updates.
UPDATE, 1:14 p.m.: Guess who’s back? Back again. Wang is back. Tell a friend.
UPDATE, 1:20 p.m.: Leadoff home run No. 26 for Johnny Dangerously as the Yankees leap out to a 1-0 lead. Meanwhile, Nick Swisher seems to like June a whole lot more than May.
Given his pitch-count limitation, giving Wang a little cushion would allow him to pitch to contact and get some quick innings possibly.
UPDATE, 1:22 p.m.: That’s a catch. Murphy dropped the ball on the transfer. But first and second, nobody out for A-Rod.
UPDATE, 1:23 p.m.: What in the world was Teixeira doing there? Bad base-running. Meanwhile, A-Rod has left seven runners on base in his last four at-bats, four of them in scoring position.
UPDATE, 1:31 p.m.: Wang sets down the Rangers in order again. He has thrown eight straight scoreless innings dating back to his first relief appearance.
Meanwhile, CMW has fanned seven in his last seven innings. He has thrown 23 pitches, 15 for strikes and has hit 94 with his sinker. Vintage CMW.
UPDATE, 1:36 p.m.: Forgot to mention this before. But bench coach and catching instructor Tony Pena turned 52 today.
UPDATE, 1:46 p.m.: Trouble here in the third as a wild pitch scores a run. Cervelli has let three calls get past him and that one cost the Yankees.
UPDATE, 1:51 p.m.: Weird bad inning for Wang here. A double, a sacrifice, a wild pitch, a walk, an infield single on a ball A-Rod should have let Pena handle and now an RBI single. 2-1 Rangers.
UPDATE, 1:57 p.m.: Yankee Stadium is pretty ridiculous. Damon just hit a ball that he bailed out on. It flew to the wall in right field. Cruz made a leaping catch, avoiding the glove of the fan who leaned his upper body over the fence. It’s bad enough that there are Pony League dimensions in right field, but the fans can freely interfere with play.
UPDATE, 2:05 p.m.: Wang has reverted to April form here in the fourth inning. A single, a double-down the third-base line and a broken-bat double down the right-field line have given the Rangers two runs and a 4-1 lead. None of the balls were particularly well struck but Wang pitches to contact and that’s the danger.
Aceves warming up.
UPDATE, 2:15 p.m.: Alex got booed there by the crowd as he leaves yet another runner in scoring position. That’s eight runners left on base in his last five at-bats, five in scoring position.
UPDATE, 2:24 p.m.: That home run by Cruz knocks Wang out of the game. After two perfect innings, his final 2.2 innings were ugly: 7 hits, 5 runs. He needed a good effort and didn’t produce it. The question is whether the poor pitching was a product of inactivity or whether he has just lost it.
UPDATE, 2:24 p.m.: What a meltdown there for McCarthy. Single, single, walk, walk, three-run by Mark Teixeira. The ball went down the line, got through Young and rolled around enough to score three runs. Brand new game at 5-5. Another RISP spot for Alex.
Oh, and Wang got two more outs than McCarthy. Guess his day wasn’t a total loss.
UPDATE, 2:47 p.m.: Alex was due for that hit as he singles in Tex. Yankees lead 6-5. It’s probably going to be 12-10 the way it’s going.
UPDATE, 3:02 p.m.: You would think the Yankees are in last place given the tenor of the crowd here. They booed Wang off the mound. They booed A-Rod’s first two at-bats. They booed Aceves. Not a happy bunch for the day game.
UPDATE, 3:17 p.m.: Decent enough job by Aceves, who allows one run over 1.2 innings. Now a 6-6 game is turned over to Phil Coke. The lefty has been shaky of late. He last pitched on Sunday.
UPDATE, 3:23 p.m.: You know what is interesting? Girardi has Jeter and Posada on his bench. When do you use them? In a 6-6 game, one of them could be the difference.
UPDATE, 3:32 p.m.: Swisher is 9 of 19 with five RBI in his last seven games. A little early there to pinch run for him? That spot figures to come up again in the ninth.
UPDATE, 3:41 p.m.: Nice work by Coke, who retired all four of the batters he faced. He struck out two of them. Now Robertson will face Andrus.
UPDATE, 3:43 p.m.: And D-Rob gets Andrus. Now Cano, Matsui and Cabrera will to put Mo in a save situation. He’ll be coming in anyway, I would think. C.J. Wilson in for Texas.
UPDATE, 3:50 p.m.: Clutchy Cabrera does it again, a two-run jack to left as the Yankees take an 8-6 lead. Warming up for the the Yankees … Mariano Rivera.
Melky has been one of the better stories of the season. He was dead and buried last season, sent to the minors in August and unused when he came back in September. Now he has six homers and 22 RBI.
UPDATE, 3:53 p.m.: It still seems weird to see Mo coming in from right field instead of left. And Enter Sandman isn’t as loud at the new Stadium.
The Sandman will have to earn this one as he faces Kinsler, Young and Cruz.
UPDATE, 3:56 p.m.: Dave Robertson in line to get the win. He throws one pitch to the No. 9 hitter, gets him to fly to left and he’s the winning pitcher. Baseball statistics are funny sometimes.
This would be a solid win for the Yankees. With a win, they will have taken seven of the last eight series. The exception was the Philly series in the Bronx.
UPDATE, 4:00 p.m.: Bit of a rockhead play there by Melky as he dives in vain to try and make a catch. Better off to hold him to a single.
UPDATE, 4:03 p.m.: Hmm, issues for Mo. First and third, one out. Need a grounder from the dangerous Nelson Cruz.
UPDATE, 4:06 p.m.: Yankees win as Mo cleans up his own mess. That’s six of eight, seven of 10 and 17 of 22. The bullpen picked up Wang nicely, allowing one run over 4.1 innings.
Back later with reaction from the clubhouse.
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This weather is perfect for me as someone who is going to the game, not too hot or too sunny.
Yankee Stadium is definetely my happy place, now hopefully my one year old let’s me enjoy the day.
Big game today. It only counts for 1 in the books but today we’ll see what we’re getting from Chien Ming Wang in the near future. Also would like to see Arod get back on track real quick before the fans ruin another season by getting on him.
Brandon McCarthy vs Yanks:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....yerId=6191
Would love to see Wang get back on track today!
Gotta keep winning series. I’m kinda surprised the Yankees didn’t keep cc for today and use Wang tomorrow on Hughes’s day.
Yanks should have waited until after last night’s game to announce Wang as SP for today’s game. Would rather have CC going today for the series win.
EVAN ROBERTS IS RIGHT!!!
Derek Jeter issued a statement that he is not engaged to Minka Kelly. I have breathed a sign of relief
oops- SIGH of relief- for the above to make sense
“EVAN ROBERTS IS RIGHT!!!”
About what, Benny?
Looks like next week’s series in Boston sets up as:
Tuesday: Wang vs. Beckett
Wednesday: CC vs. Wakefield
Thursday” Joba vs. Penny
RIP David Carradine.
no jete or posada.
prime example of how much Tex means to this team, last night.
I can only imagine if Swish was our 1B full time.
Funny how there are some on this blog who didn’t really care if we signed Tex.. the ones who said save the money cracked me up the most. I was always for Tex and even more so that Boston made a serious run at him. I thank the steins and cash for making this happen.. phew.
I’d much rather have Tex up with bases loaded then Arod.. especially this year.
sure hope Tex is playing today.
Evan Roberts points:
Yankees fans are insane for booing Alex.
Yes, his 3ab’s were horrible, but he drove in 1 of the 2 runs that the yankees scored last night.
The yankees are 18-7 since he’s come back. You dont boo the guy that helped you get to this point.
What about Andy pettite given up 4 runs in 5 innings with 6 BB? He wasnt exactly great either and he put the yankees in the hole early.
Robbie 0-4
Damon 0-4
Jeter 0-4
gardner 0-2
Matsui 0-4
you cant put this all on Arod.
Go get ‘em, Wang!
Erica -
I didn’t even know such a rumor existed about Derek & Minka.
Wow, poor girl. I think. Your steady boyfriend tells the world he’s not ready to marry you. Even if it’s okay and she doesn’t want to get married either. It’s still weird that such a statement has to be made. You have to wonder – Jeter usually keeps his mouth shut – what would make him issue a statement?
Oh, well.
So, it’s not supposed to rain at all today in the Bronx? It’s pretty dismal here in central NJ and I think it’s supposed to shower on and off. Plus it’s cold-ish outside. Feels more like April than June.
Best of luck to CMW.
What the heck? Why does Joe keep batting Swisher second??
Joe G knows so much about nutrition, but I am wondering about baseball!
EVAN ROBERTS IS RIGHT!!!
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A phrase that is not often proclaimed
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(Sorry, Evan just annoys me
Texas is just going to eat the rest of Padilla’s 12M?
For a franchise thats so concerned about revenue and budget, this isn’t exactly fiscally savvy.
carradine committed suicide.
wow.
Benny Blanco:
Boo’ing Arod is so counter-productive. Yankee fans are crazy.. when he gets booed it gets in his head and he personalizes it.
I’d never boo Arod. Ever. his head is putty enough as it is.
thing.
brent
June 4th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Cano and Melky need more discipline at he plate.
Hope Tex is back ,because waiting on glimmers of greatness from Arod is disconcerting and overrated.
Why can’t the Yankees bring home the guy on third ,
especially with one or no outs ,it’s pathetic to watch,the batter just strike out,even when bases are loaded
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Lol…its ok
Is it that they want Peña’s defense over Jeter or something? Seems a short line up today…though I wouldnn’t have expected Posada to catch.
Anyway, I gotta sit in class all game, so watch the Yankees kill them like 20-0.
Bring it Wang, no excuses today.
Nice that they give Georgy and Derek a rest today, day game after night and those two can not be lost b/c of recklessness. Added more defense/range to 2 positions on a day the SP needs it.
whoa
YANKEES (31-22)
Damon LF
Swisher RF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Cano 2B
Matsui DH
Cabrera CF
Cervelli C
Pena SS
I think Girardi uses more different lineups than any other manager in baseball. (Doesnt feel like making the joke complaint that he’s blowing the game. Just pointing out something)
Doreen
June 4th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Erica –
I didn’t even know such a rumor existed about Derek & Minka.
Wow, poor girl. I think. Your steady boyfriend tells the world he’s not ready to marry you. Even if it’s okay and she doesn’t want to get married either. It’s still weird that such a statement has to be made. You have to wonder – Jeter usually keeps his mouth shut – what would make him issue a statement?
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I didn’t know the rumour was out there either, but apparently they were spotted shopping for rings earlier this year which triggered the statement. I don’t really think the statement means anything though. How often do celebrities say they are not engaged or not pregnant and then suddenly there is a wedding or a baby. It happens all the time.
That’s fair, Benny. Jeter and Cano were both guilty of miserable ABs with men on base. You know how it goes with Arod though. He’s the superstar, the polarizing figure, etc.
Um, Swisher went 2 for 3 with a walk batting second, and he has one of the highest on-base percentages on the team.
Who would be your preference? Cano or Cabrera, who hack at almost every pitch they see?
And as I wrote that I can’t believe I said added D in the infield and I’m ok w/ Georgy/Jetes getting a rest day.
Teix @ 1B
AL @ 3B
Robi @ 2B
El Nino @ SS
Cisco @ C
Jeff
June 4th, 2009 at 10:31 am
I think Girardi uses more different lineups than any other manager in baseball. (Doesnt feel like making the joke complaint that he’s blowing the game. Just pointing out something)
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I actually sometimes wonder if there is some sort of incentive in Girardi’s contract where he gets paid per different lineup he manages to produce.
Guessing Jeter was just due for a day off. I don’t think he had one in a while.
“What the heck? Why does Joe keep batting Swisher second?? ”
Because Swisher continues to hit well batting second. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
Teixiera back in the lineup $_$
is it smart to give both jete & posada off the same day.
i understand resting people but why 2 big players at once?
the best players have to play.we learned this last year.
posada i can see.a day after a night game.
“What the heck? Why does Joe keep batting Swisher second??”
Maybe because he’s hitting .333/.429/.583 when he hits second? Or maybe just because somebody needs to bat second, especially when Damon or Teixera sit? But since you know nothing, I don’t mind telling you.
By the way Melky looks like the Melky of last year since coming back. Alot of weak ground outs. And same goes for Cano, he hasnt been good for a while.
Francesa today “Why couldn tha yankees get Mclooth? Da Braves gave up notin!”
Man Teixeira gives this team more options, yrs. ago Jetes/Georgy sitting we’d all scream holy mary. But Teix/Arod/Cano/Matsui should be enough to carry this team.
I know nothing.. correct.
I’d prefer someone with more speed batting second personally.
seriously, I really know nothing.
“Francesa today “Why couldn tha yankees get Mclooth? Da Braves gave up notin!””
Gorkys is hardly nothing, but they fleeced the pirates.
Brandon,
I remember you saying that we would NOT sign Tex. I am so glad you were wrong.
thank you.
Joe Torre used 144 different lineups in 162 games in 1998.
Love the lineup complaints. Same people, same nonsense.
I love having Pena at short with Wang on the mound.
Why no Jeter today? He’s been their hottest hitter besides Tex lately.
Anyone else notice how easy it was to steal off Andy and Posada last night? No one used to steal on Andy and now Posada can’t throw anyone out.
This is as good a day as any to rest Jeter. Pena at short will help Wang, assuming he gets a lot of grounders.
I also agree with Roberts, anyone that boos A-rod is freaking insane. Everybody strikes out and grounds into double plays. He just had a bad night and so did the rest of the team.
“Brandon,
I remember you saying that we would NOT sign Tex. I am so glad you were wrong.”
We weren’t SJ explained yesterday how Boston messed it up and Cashman swooped in, a move that has the pretty much made the difference in the AL division, I do admit when I’m wrong ya know, infact I did so long ago. I’m only human.
McClouth is good but not that good. He’s a career .801 OPS corner outfielder. Nothing special…
(Yes I know he plays CF but he should be playing RF. He’s the worst CF in the league.)
“Why no Jeter today? He’s been their hottest hitter besides Tex lately.”
He had an 0 fer last night and it’s a day game after a night game w/ big series coming up vs Boston & TB & the Mets.
SJ44
June 4th, 2009 at 10:38 am
Joe Torre used 144 different lineups in 162 games in 1998.
Love the lineup complaints. Same people, same nonsense.
That year they didnt have an every day left fielder and got Chili Davis in a trade in season. Where did you hear that they had 144 different lineups. This team doesnt need to have that many different lineups, simple as that.
No off day until June 15. Today is as good a day as any to give him a day off.
i hardly ever complain about the lineup so it is not the same people.
i just don’t think it is smart to give 2 regulars off the same day.
alternate one at a time.jmo.
i understand wang is a ground ball pitcher but i wouldn’t do it.
everybody disagrees with a lineup once in a while.
if anyone says otherwise they are a liar.
SJ44
June 4th, 2009 at 10:38 am
Joe Torre used 144 different lineups in 162 games in 1998.
Love the lineup complaints. Same people, same nonsense.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I was looking for this number…couldn’t remember how many different line ups it was
The important thing is to get on base in front of Teixeira and ARod. Jeter and Damon have been doing a good job of that, but when one of those two sit Swisher would be the next best guy to bat there, IMO. I like Joe’s approach.
Speed would just be a temptation to steal and maybe get thrown out. Get on base, and wait for the middle of the lineup to knock you in.
“That year they didnt have an every day left fielder and got Chili Davis in a trade in season. Where did you hear that they had 144 different lineups. This team doesnt need to have that many different lineups, simple as that.”
They’re learning to win w/ different combos and meshing well as a team, how is that a bad thing, plus it’s a day game after night for 30+ yr olds, you can’t expect them playing every day.
i would love mclouth on the yankees
Its not as “simple as that”.
Its an older team that has had a lot of injuries. They have to mix up the lineup in order to balance giving guys days off and keeping them fresh throughout the year.
Actually, if you knew a little bit about baseball, you would realize having this kind of lineup flexibility helps a team.
Its a known fact of the 144 lineups in 162 games in 1998.
Hmmm, a guy who used to post here before the children took over the game thread, is the person who found that nugget last year when the children constantly complained about the lineup.
The Yankees are currently the hottest team in baseball. They have won 80% of their games since Arod returned.
I’m going to go out on a limb and say the manager knows more about his team, and his lineups, than you do.
wheres Gardner today…hes been hot
Pena also gives the Yankees a bit more range in the infield with Wang pitching.
Cervelli helps keep the running game in check and you don’t want to catch Posada day game after night game.
I guess you can argue to DH Posada, but you have a rh pitcher going and you might as well try to get Matsui on track.
You can disagree with the lineup but at least see the logic Girardi uses to create the lineup. There are very few instances in which I can’t see his reasoning.
In this case Jeter and Posada are sitting because it’s a day game after a night game. I’m sure the fact that Wang is pitching plays into Girardi’s decision to start Pena at SS.
Jeter has actually been good at SS this year so I’m a bit surprised Pena isn’t taking Alex’s spot (who has been terrible at 3B). I guess we need A-rod in the lineup and Jetes hasn’t had a day off in awhile.
I’m always weary of players who dont break out until their late 20’s
“i would love mclouth on the yankees”
I say this to myself after every one of your posts but I think for this one I need to post what I am saying.
“Thank God bru isn’t the GM or manager of the Yankees.”
Wave Your Hat, I think the first 3 guys in this line up avg together a .380 OBP %
Brandon-
Considering how many HRs the middle of lineup will hit, a .380 OBP at the top of the lineup will score a lot of runs. You gotta love it.
Patrick
June 4th, 2009 at 10:49 am
“i would love mclouth on the yankees”
I say this to myself after every one of your posts but I think for this one I need to post what I am saying.
“Thank God bru isn’t the GM or manager of the Yankees.”
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please give it a rest.
saying i wouldn’t mind mclouth on the yankees makes me stupid & your comment about it makes you smart.
lol.
funny stuff.
i have oppinions just like yourself.some of my ideas & opinions might be stupid but i don’t think by me saying i would like a decent cf on the yankees is that crazy.
but who am i.
i guess you can decide for me,the yankees & all of us what we should be thinking.
wake up son.
Speaking of overrated players, I really hope Matt Holliday gets traded to a team with a big ballpark (like say the Mets)Then id love to sit back and hear people try to figure out why he isnt hitting like he used to
I would love Robi waking up, he’s slid a bit and Melky just needs to battle to get on base.
It is smart baseball to play pena at SS with Wang on the mound. Jeter needs some time off, when he’s healthy it shows in his numbers, let’s keep him healthy. But he could have played ARod at DH and Pena at 3rd as well… Matsui is becoming a liability, he’s worse than Giambi was on the bases.
Actually, I really like the young guys getting to play today. They are very fun to watch. They are hungry.. love that.
Brandon, I probably should of said that I was not glad that you were wrong as much as I was glad that we HAVE Tex.
Also, Tex from the very beginning had his hopes set on the Yankees.. regardless of Boston’s offer.
Tex would’ve went to Boston if the Yankees didn’t make an offer at all.. he wants to win, but his inner-child was pushing him to the Yankees as well as his wife
The pitching has been great in May but look at our lineup, it has been really good. Everyone in the regular starting lineup (Jeter, Damon, Teixeira, A-rod, Cano, Posada, Matsui, Swisher, Cabrera) has an .821 OPS or higher.
Chris – that would be a feat to see Pena play SS and 3b at the same time.
Good bench today.
Leaving for Stadium. Hope it doesn’t rain.
“Everybody strikes out and grounds into double plays. He just had a bad night and so did the rest of the team.”
Did you watch those AB’s from Arod last night?
Those weren’t just bad, they were classic Arod-is-in-a-funk bad. When this starts, he will be stranding runners galore for the next month. And then the booing will get worse and he’ll start gagging even more. It will be interesting to watch. And it will be very interesting to see how his fragile psyche holds up during the Boston series.
“i guess you can decide for me,the yankees & all of us what we should be thinking.”
That probably would be for the best actually. I am a baseball genius after all. *
McClouth is not a decent CF. He is a pretty average hitter for his career and a terrible fielder.
*joking…
Yes I watched A-rod’s at-bats, they were bad. Like I said, he had a bad night. Does that justify him getting booed? The team has looked amazing since he got back and he has a .934 OPS. He didn’t deserve that kind of treatment from the fans. Absolutely absurd.
The line up is good!
Jeter and Posada can pinch hit if necessary.
Go Wang’r
“Matsui is becoming a liability”
His running hasn’t really hurt us. And in the last week he’s .286/.348/.524; in the last two weeks .289/.357/.605. If he hits like that he’s no liability, even if he doesn’t run.
A-rod seems to either be locked in or look foolish.
When he is locked in he hits everything and goes to the opposite field quite a bit.
When he is not locked in, and I have heard that this is because he guesses quite a bit at pitches, he swings and misses often and has very poor results.
He has been good, but not great since his return (despite the homeruns). It would be nice for him to get in a locked in (Mark Texeira month of May locked in) mode.
Arod has left a village on the bases this week. I’m sure that’s what the booing was about instead of just what happened last night.
Great job by Tomko last night with 3 scoreless innings. He would have been the player of the game if they came back and won. Im suprised we didnt see Aceves early on, I guess it wouldnt have mattered since the rangers scored 3 in the first and the Yankees only score 2 runs in the game. I wonder if Girardi was holding back Aceves (who hasnt pitched since friday) in case wang cant go too long today. Thoughts?
It’s supposed to rain all day and night on Friday. So don’t put too much thought into who will be pitching against the Sox or Mets. Those matchups will likely look different than they do today.
“McClouth is not a decent CF. He is a pretty average hitter for his career and a terrible fielder.”
He’s ok in CF, he’s better in RF or LF, the Braves made that deal and gave a promising future athlete in Gorkys Hernandez, that kid can run and hit
http://www.thebaseballcube.com.....ndez.shtml
The main thing Huntington wanted was an athlete, meaning for us it would have started w/ Austin Jackson followed by a hang up. He has Nayja Morgan in LF very fast and good defensively, in CF he has Andrew McCutchen the big 5 tool CF stud, now in RF they will have Gorkys who can definitely field and hit and has alot of future potential. They still got fleeced but the move was more for an athlethic, fast, versatile offense, the Bucs are aiming for.
Coincidence or not, this team became an entirely different team once ARod came back. The fans last night must have just had a need to boo somebody.
Given how often the top of the lineup gets on base, ARod is naturally going to leave a lot of runners on. But I’m pretty sure he’s also going to knock a lot of them in.
Yankees draft preview:
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....Id=rss_nyy
Jeff,
My guess is that Hughes will be the man today if Wang struggles. But then again they may hold him back to pitch the 7th or 8th. Luckily will know soon enough with the 1pm start.
edit: we’ll know
The Yanks have one of the best lineups in baseball. Let’s preserve that by making sure our players get rest and are healthy. The Rangers are without Hamilton and have Chris Davis who will swing at anything. Our lineup without Posada and Jeet is surely good enough to get the job done. Give it a rest.
“The Yankees could highlight an athletic outfield prospect like California’s Brett Jackson on their Draft board, and there has been talk about Southern California shortstop Grant Green and Boston College catcher Tony Sanchez.”
SJ, has there been much talk between Tony and the Yanks?
Patrick Bateman
June 4th, 2009 at 10:27 am
Texas is just going to eat the rest of Padilla’s 12M?
For a franchise thats so concerned about revenue and budget, this isn’t exactly fiscally savvy.
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Holy Cow!
Maybe they have another team ready to take part of the contract.
I guess the umpires and league office know all about this guy and that is why AJ was not suspended and no retaliation for Texas pitching yesterday…
” He has Nayja Morgan in LF very fast and good defensively, in CF he has Andrew McCutchen the big 5 tool CF stud, now in RF they will have Gorkys who can definitely field and hit and has alot of future potential.”
No, Tabata?
is Cano ever going to take the next step? Show a monicom of discipline at the plate and hit better when men on in scoring position? Again it is not that he gets out it is that he hits the first pitch and shows no patience.
Cano always gets a pass and arod does not..
“No, Tabata?”
He’s in AA struggling again.
Jeff
June 4th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Great job by Tomko last night with 3 scoreless innings. He would have been the player of the game if they came back and won. Im suprised we didnt see Aceves early on, I guess it wouldnt have mattered since the rangers scored 3 in the first and the Yankees only score 2 runs in the game. I wonder if Girardi was holding back Aceves (who hasnt pitched since friday) in case wang cant go too long today. Thoughts?
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Yup, you got it.
Ace will back up Wang today. Hughes is not available until tomorrow because he through 95 in his last start.
“Arod has left a village on the bases this week. I’m sure that’s what the booing was about instead of just what happened last night.”
I wouldn’t give those “fans” that much credit. Not sure if the reactionary boo-birds have the ability to store that kind of information.
Tex has been here two months and he is already more popular than A-Rod will ever be. At least until we win a championship and A-Rod contributes.
Why? I don’t know. Maybe it has something to do with A-Rod never playing a game like Tex did Tuesday. Has he ever given his body up to preserve a rally? Celebrated another teammates’ success like Tex did when Matsui homered? Showed real passion for the team?
Or maybe it’s because Tex’s agent hasn’t dumped us on national TV yet when Boston was in the process of winning a World Series. Or because Tex apparently hasn’t lied about PED’s. Or that Tex doesn’t inflict his dreary personal life on us.
Decisions, decisions. I don’t know. I leave it to all of you who are bawling about A-Rod being booed to figure it out.
Patrick, GI Joe told Hughes be prepared for anything so guessing he might relieve today.
i don’t see anythign wrong with giving jeter a day off today, although a-rod may have needed it a bit more. i woke up today hoping a-rod would get a day, but maybe sometime this weekend. he looked really, really bad at the plate last night.
and no, the blame doesn’t fall only on alex but he sure was bad those last three at-bats last night, no getting around it.
in thining about wang, and what randy said about lowering expectations and his coming back being something of a process, i agree. there’s no reason anyone should expect wang to come out and dominate these next few starts. if he does, great. if not, just some improvement would be more than acceptable.
BUT
i think we can all agree that the AL east is going to be a dogfight all year. in a division this tight, can the yankees really afford to allow joba to take his occasional lumps AND let wang “get back in the swing of things” against the red sox? i understand you have to lose a battle to win a war sometimes, but how many little battles can the yanks afford to lose?
it’s just something i was thinking about. i certainly don’t have the answer and if they miss the playoffs, there will be a hundred different “what if’s” but wang may well be one of them.
SIGN Colby Gage!!!!!
Last Friday, the 12-year-old Little Leaguer of Adams, Massachusetts not only pitched a perfect game, but he struck out every batter he faced; eighteen batters up and eighteen batters down.
whatever’s post is my favorite of the day so far. it’s great that the team’s been much better with alex and if he helps them win, good for them and good for him.
but he is one of my least favorite players in the game. always has been, always will be.
“Arod has left a village on the bases this week. I’m sure that’s what the booing was about instead of just what happened last night.”
He had crappy ABs yesterday even he realized it after the game, he swung at ball 4 in one AB and jump out his shoes for a change up, it just wasn’t his night. I’d love for him to click majorly vs Boston, but I don’t remember the last time at YS that Alex has hit a walkoff hit in the night. Day time yes, night time usually on the road. Wierd
Tex and ARod is like ying and yang…our Ortiz and Ramirez. This team just doesn’t have the same swagga when one is out.
“whatever’s post is my favorite of the day so far. it’s great that the team’s been much better with alex and if he helps them win, good for them and good for him.”
All they have to do is read the Daily News or NYP comments from his teammates they know it.
How fed up is Texas with Padilla, to eat that contract,wow?
“Tex and ARod is like ying and yang…our Ortiz and Ramirez. This team just doesn’t have the same swagga when one is out.”
That combo seems to feed off each other for some reason. IDK what it is that bonds them but thank god for that combo.
I always feel so left out in these line-up whines…. so here goes.
What ?
No Angel Berroa again!!!
It’s a mockery!
It’s an infringement on my constitutional rights. It’s outrageous, egregious, preposterous.
His face is my case.
Love Matsui,but his knees are gonna be the death of the Yankees. It’s painful watching him run the bases.
brent, this is most likely his last season.
DB – (officially panicked 5/13/09)
June 4th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Tex and ARod is like ying and yang…our Ortiz and Ramirez. This team just doesn’t have the same swagga when one is out.
They better have some swagga and help win a few rings for 485mil invested…eeek
With the exception of only a few, why is it that this place generates such a loathing of its own team? What is wrong with you hyper-critical people? Try just being a fan instead of a GM – because honestly, you are out of your league and it’s embarrassing, frustrating and upsetting to read. Let me enjoy one game with real Yankee fans…please!
burnett suspended for 6 games
“They better have some swagga and help win a few rings for 485mil invested…eeek”
One thing they can do that Ortiz/Manny never did well is also play defense.
Anybody think we can steal Crowe from the Indians ? use him in the COF and what would it take ?
The Yankees need a fan membership site where there is accountability and moderators.
McLouth gives you a bit more power than Melky, career slugging % .462 versus .382, but Melky has a slightly higher BA (.272 – .261) and is a vastly superior defensive OF. He’s also almost three years younger and a switch hitter. McLouth would not be a significant upgrade.
“Hmmm, a guy who used to post here before the children took over the game thread, is the person who found that nugget last year when the children constantly complained about the lineup.”
sj44-
i had one of the best fights( there’s no other word for it) ever with hmmm on my first post here over jeter and defensive metrics. it was great. it led to me having to read up on dewan’s fielding bible which was quite interesting, but flawed and subjective.
as time went on we agreed more than disagreed. i like to think we both learned something from having to defend sometimes opposing positions.it would be great if hmmm and some of the others that left came back from time to time.
the game posts are crazy at times, but i just read the regulars who i interact with.
as far as different line ups, it’s good for a team to have interchangeable parts and players who aren’t afraid to try different things. it’s a good hedge against the inevitable injuries that are going to happen.
Brandon, I know but you gotta love his will to play on those knees. The Yankees stood by him through it all.
JohnC
June 4th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Looks like next week’s series in Boston sets up as:
Tuesday: Wang vs. Beckett
Wednesday: CC vs. Wakefield
Thursday” Joba vs. Penny
John – I can all but guarantee Boston will reconfigure their rotation and skip Penny to have Lester throw on regular rest against us. Unlike us, they seem to make sure we see Beckett and Lester, presumably their two best, everytime we face them. Even in the 2 game set at the Stadium, thats who they pitched. 5 games vs Boston, Lester and Beckett have pitched 4 of them.
catherine
June 4th, 2009 at 11:34 am
burnett suspended for 6 games
oooooooooooo
That is absurd
Love Matsui,but his knees are gonna be the death of the Yankees. It’s painful watching him run the bases.
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He’s done with the Yankees after this year and will likely be back in Japan next year.
He’s doing OK and giving us a lot more than Big Papi is giving the Sox.
Gardy will run for him today late in the game…
catherine
Where did you hear this?
SO AJ gets suspended 6 games and he wasn’t near the dudes head.
Joshy suspended 6 games and mere centimeters away from Bobby’s head.
Fair? I think not.
Bryce Harper: http://vault.sportsillustrated...../index.htm
He says he wants to play in the pinstripes.
If he is drafted at 17, makes the majors at 18, he’d be a free agent before he’s 25.
If he’s as good as he looks… he could destroy ARod’s contract, and that would be about the time ARod’s contract would be done.
Just saw it on Sweeny’s twitter.
AJ better appeal. Total BS!
I wish CC was a vs Beckett. Wang vs Waffle ball ,Wakefield.
sources. padilla only gets a fine apparently.
The Burnett suspension is absolutely ridiculous.
Burnett was suspended for 6 games. What a joke MLB is.
“randon, I know but you gotta love his will to play on those knees. The Yankees stood by him through it all.”
I know but I’m not that in love.
On Bryce Harper can the kid go against NCAA and minor league pitching before he gets annointed, he 16 just and there have been many 16 yr. olds w/ the same story.
So the guy who starts it gets a fine? The guy who apparently is universally hated around bb because he always hits people gets a fine.
I’m surprised those morons in mlb didn’t suspend Tex after all he went in hard to second.
“That is absurd”
ATTROCIOUS..JUST ATTROCIOUS !
jennifer – don’t give them any ideas…
Nate McLouth was moved to the Braves yesterday and one ESPN writer referred to him as 5-tool guy.
I think our CF combo of G-man and the Melkman is as good especially this year.
I think it’s for going at Cruz’s head vs. Tex’s side.
I bet it’ll be redueced, but MLB doesn’t want pitchers throwing at anyone’s head, regardless of whether it’s retaliation or not.
Are fans supposed to stand up a cheer when players ground into double plays in bases loaded situations?
I have no problem with fans booing certain situations that occur during a game.
I think it’s dumb when fans boo Alex even before he takes an at bat but I have no problem with them booing him when he grounds into a double play.
If fans can cheer when a player does something good then they have every right to boo when a player does something bad. JMO
on wfan he is suspended 6 games
Is this the rough-draft of the blog?
one start
hughes will take it
McClouth 5 tool ? Jesus Chr..
Is it just my computer or did the text change on this website?
BREAKING NEWS:
Just got a tweet from Sweeny Murti that AJ is suspended 6 games.
IF the Yanks pitch Hughes ouuta the pen today I’ll B pissed. Aceves should releive Wang today, and Hughes should start Sunday instead of AJ. Simple as that.
Just take the suspension and let Hughes pitch in his spot on Sunday (or Monday depending on tomorrow’s likely rainout).
“on wfan he is suspended 6 games”
And suddenly Hughes and Aceves lick thier chops.
Seriously, the players took care of it on the field and it’s a done deal. He didn’t even hit him! This is going way too far
Wow 6 games are u serious?
The text changed.
Harry, he’ll appeal the suspension and make the start Sunday
Kei Igawa w/ a smile somewhere has just found his sunglasses.
“i think we can all agree that the AL east is going to be a dogfight all year. in a division this tight, can the yankees really afford to allow joba to take his occasional lumps AND let wang “get back in the swing of things” against the red sox?”
kasey-
i agree with wang at fenway. unless he does well today i wouldn’t pitch him at fenway unless i had hughes ready to step right in at the first sign of trouble. it’s a two game swing with the red sox and they do something against wang that other teams don’t do as much.
they edge closer to the mound in an attempt to negate the sinker. neil allen told wang to knock the red sox hitters back with up and in four seam fastballs to negate this. even inside four seam strikes will be effective if the sox try this and they probably will.
this is getting a little ahead of ourselves. today’s game is coming fast.i’m just hoping wang can go 4 innings with no more than four runs and have a game he can build on.
Courier font today, bold yesterday. Wonder what’s next…
Nice bench today. Jeter, Posada and Gardner. Jetes and Jorge will probably pinch hit and Gardner will pinch run at some point today.
Lay off Arod. He had a somewhat major surgery recently and is nowhere near 100%. He’s going to have his ups and downs, like all ballplayer (his are just more magnified and scrutinized). Good thing he hit a bunch of HR’s early after he came back or these idiots would’ve booed him in the second game back. He’s in a funk right now, no big deal.
I promise, I had nothing to do with the text changing
That just proves you can never have too many starters, fear not Hughes.
“On Bryce Harper can the kid go against NCAA and minor league pitching before he gets annointed, he 16 just and there have been many 16 yr. olds w/ the same story.”
Yeah, Alex Rodriguez and Ken Griffey, Jr.
Name another 16 year old who hits 450+ foot blasts? He hit one 570 feet with an aluminum bat!
And he’s not just an aluminum bat wonder, as he plays in wood bat leagues.
If he gets his GED, he’s going to enroll in a JuCo and play against college guys.
raymagnetic, I gotta agree with you. I’m not one to boo but if they don’t perform then by all means fans have the right to do whatever they want.
It’s kind of hard to suspend Padilla when he was released. Of course he only got a fine.
I just don’t see how this is weighted the same as Zambrano’s meltdown. MLB has different rules for the Yankees
@Chip
That’s where the league is today. Beckett got suspended for a similar infraction and got it reduced. AJ’ll miss a day down the road, and it may end up working out for the Yankees’ rotating #5 spot. No use worrying about it.
randy-
I understand your mistrust of defensive metrics, although I don’t agree with you.
My feeling has always been that, even though the metrics include individual subjective judgments, the fact that they are a collection of a subjective judgments of many people strengthens their credibility, and their mathematical correlation of (subjective) judgments about each player against (subjective) judgments about all other players at his position also strengthens their credibility.
However, the very fact of the mathematical model may lead people like me to overvalue them, as at heart they do seem to be based on subjective judgments. You can’t ignore the “garbage in, garbage out” possibility, I guess.
However, I know you are interested in pitch f/x, which isn’t subjective. The same technology is being applied to fielding, to get a fielding f/x, so to speak.
Fielding f/x could really change how fielding ability is perceived, and also change judgments about how important fielding really is overall.
Someone else, he must be on steroids
i guess bob watson is trying to help the sox out geez
“I promise, I had nothing to do with the text changing”
sure rishi, we believe you
Beckett got 6 games for throwing a Abreu, I think Big Z got the same for a complete melt down, Padilla gets a fine and Burnett gets 6?
Really? That seems about right.
“I just don’t see how this is weighted the same as Zambrano’s meltdown. MLB has different rules for the Yankees”
I think it’s bs myself, but it’s the same they gave Beckett when he threw over Abreu’s head. Beckett appealed and it was reduced to 5 games.
talk about a suspension coming out of nowhere! this is just ridiculous, its not like he actually hit him TWICE like that other piece of $hit. MLB is clearly high
Jeter is waiting for Ms perfect.
He’ll be a senior citizen when he marries,making his on grand children.Married to a 20 something,embarrassing the kids when he shows up at their school. Think Larry King!
If hey pushed everyone back a day for Wang’ start, he shouldn’t miss his turn in the rotation. Right?
I think Beckett’s was more for the fact that he started a riot by walking to the plate and screaming at Abreu and the Angels.
Pete, there’s a -tag after Teixeira that’s screwing up your formatting.
“If he gets his GED, he’s going to enroll in a JuCo and play against college guys.”
someone else, I’m not dissing the kid, he’s talented, yes we know that, but he’s gonna see so many different pitchers in his life, there aren’t any scouting reports on him yet, no weaknesses being charted, all things he will experience soon and that is where we’ll find out if he’s the real deal or not.
whats up with the text change.
i thought i did something so i restarted my computer & almost got on the phone with tech support.
IMO, the Beckett situation was different as time was called but, the lesson is “not at the head.”
really? AJ came no where near hitting him in the head. Josh was about 1/2 inch from drilling Bobby right in the head.
Arr, and my tag was swallowed – that is supposed to be “a code-tag” (add open/close bracket around code)
Who changed the text?
AJ didn’t have to throw up near his head though. Just drill him in the back and be done with it.
if AJ gets it reduced to 5 that’s still a missed start right? I guess use Hughes?
Wave your hat, what I’d like to see is something similar to pitch f/x for fielding that takes into account the ball speed and trajectory and distance from the fielder when batted. From there you come up with a statistic of speed / trajectory for certain distances and see how many balls are fielded for outs. There would be nothing subjective about that.
AJ’s next start should be Sun. Maybe that’s another reason to keep PH around.
AJ will appeal and get the games dropped to 5. That will delay his start one game and give Hughes a start.
DB, I think that’s part of what is being done. I’ll try to find a link somewhere when I have the time.
Bob Watson should be fired…
The ball did sail over Cruz’s head. Was it meant to do that? Who knows but it happened.
There’s other ways of throwing a purpose pitch. He could of threw it the way he did to Longoria earlier this year; throw it high and in.
You know who else was a wonder kid ? Josh Hamilton, Carl Henry was compared to Alex Rodriguez what happened to him there ? Sebastian Telfair the next great PG, Eddy Curry was suppose to Shaq pt. 2, there are so many busts and when SI does these stories I hate what it does to kids and fans, he’s 16 the gist of that story he’s going for a GED so when or if he gets hurt what happens to life after baseball, just stupid. Plainly stupid, first for his mom to even consider it and 2nd for him to not understand there is stiff competition ahead of him, he’s not going to go against a guy from a small town, most amateur players are all state players or the next great thing. 500 + foot or whatever it really shouldn’t be push this early.
“Kei Igawa w/ a smile somewhere has just found his sunglasses.”
He’d need to find a 40-man roster spot first.
Rishi,
I still blame you.
Once again a Yankee gets suspended for not hitting someone.
Awesome. You can’t make this up.
“You can’t ignore the “garbage in, garbage out” possibility, I guess.”
wave your hat-
the problem with dewan’s system is that both him and bill james used jeter as their poster child to prove their points. the subjective guys they had look at each and every play on video to make a judgement of slow, medium , or hard it on ground balls knew they were looking at jeter when they were making the assessment. 15 balls over a year that were judged one grade easier hit would skew the totals. it was very easy to do unintentionally if a bias against jeter existed. and it did exist in the sabermetric community.
who would sit for hours at end looking at video judhing slow, medium , fast, but dewan’s interns? that was the flaw in the system. so on jeter it was likely biased , but when no bias existed it was a system that could work.
i think james himself has come out with something that says jeter wasn’t as bad as they thought.
i’m a little discouraged with pitch f/x right now as cb has confirmed that the last few years have had unreliable f/x data at times in different ballparks. but it’s better now.
as far as wang goes, it’s hard comparing f/x data from two years ago with now because of this so i’m toning down my enthusiasm for pitch f/x data with wang at the present.
its obviously a great tool though.
This is kind of a problem with baseball. Also a problem in the NBA. Players used to be able to police themselves, and effectively.
It kind of makes the game soft and takes away from rivalry.
“I think Beckett’s was more for the fact that he started a riot by walking to the plate and screaming at Abreu and the Angels”
If I remember correctly, The Duke of Discipline cited Beckett’s actions after the pitch as the primary reason for suspending him. Suspensions for starting pitchers are a joke anyway. All it mean is having a start pushed back a day or two.
Re: Burnett. Totally frigging ridiculous!! Where is Padilla’s suspension??? Texiera was hit TWICE! Second time obviously on purpose. Burnett rightly sent the Rangers a message in the next inning. Pitchers do this all the time. If the umps had an objection they should have tossed him from the game then and there.
I thought AJ played it off well too, made it look like he slipped on the mound. I guess good ol Bob wasn’t buying it.
it’s ok – I can take it
I hate the text change… change it back!
There should be no discipline for AJ OR Padilla… but if there is going to be any, Padilla should get twice what AJ gets. He hit the same guy twice, all AJ did was say “cut that crap out”… that’s the way baseball is supposed to be played. Hell, even Padilla’s catcher had no problem with it and chose not to defend his teammate.
Bob Watson is still p-o about being fired and continually over reacts to what happens BY Yankees and under reacts to what happens TO Yankees.
Time for someone to call Hank for a comment!
MLB looks really bad in this situation. Padilla CLEARLY started it – that’s who needs to be suspended. Actually, MLB is punishing the Rangers by NOT suspending Padilla. He’s got nothing.
Retailiation is a part of the game – instigating is what needs to be controlled.
How are we supposed to score runs with 3 automatic outs in Cabrera, Cervelli, and Pena?
Pena is hitting in the .230s!!
Anyone know what Bryce Harper’s natural position is?
YankeesWFAN Burnett has appealed his suspension. Likely it will be cut to 5 games before he serves. Off days could keep him from missing full turn.
rishi-
you know pete is going to blame you because there wasn’t any problems until yesterday after months of no problems. too funny
Re: Jeter and Minka. He’s not ready to get married because he’s a baby! Little Playboy who doesn’t want to grow up. Great baseball player but stunted person.
“really? AJ came no where near hitting him in the head. Josh was about 1/2 inch from drilling Bobby right in the head.”
OK. Maybe the unwritten rule at MLB HQ is: “Not above the shoulders.”
it’s kinda hard to suspend Padilla if he’s not actually pitching for anyone anymore, right?
Nate McClouth a five-tool player? What a laugh.
I didn’t think a Pirates player would ever be drastically overrated by the mainstream media, but that day has apparently come.
The Pirates could have gotten better prospects in the deal, but McClouth really is nothing special. He’s a decent hitter for a CF, but is a lousy defender.
“Off days could keep him from missing full turn.”
Off days make no difference. It’s 5 games, rather than 5 days. He’s just going to get an extra days rest in there somewhere.
Ugh, Ralph. Last time I looked Cabrera had one of the best batting averages in the entire team. And Cervelli and Pena are not “automatic outs” either. Posada can’t play every day.
Randy – but I post like everyday! it’s ok, as long as I’m still able to read, I think I’ll be fine
Bob Watson’s still pissed the Yanks fired him after ‘97.
Steve B
Sweeny said it not me.
I just reread that and thought that can’t be right!! 
“I hate the text change… change it back!”
now that’s exactly what i feel about the yankees changing the code and formatting on wang by encouraging too many secondary pitches
“Great baseball player but stunted person.”
?????
“it’s kinda hard to suspend Padilla if he’s not actually pitching for anyone anymore, right?”
They could still suspend him. It would take effect when/if he’s picked up. He hit guys before warnings were issued and did not head hunt. Probably why he’s skating on this.
Oh, no! The Yanks may miss a start by a guy with a 4.69 ERA.
Color me indifferent.
Maybe Jeter just hasn’t found the person he knows he wont cheat on? I don’t see anything wrong with it.
“How are we supposed to score runs with 3 automatic outs in Cabrera, Cervelli, and Pena?”
Everytime Melky is in the lineup someone insists on making a post like this. Unbelievable.
That suspension is BS. I suppose they couldn’t really suspend Padilla considering he has no team. Terrible.
“How are we supposed to score runs with 3 automatic outs in Cabrera, Cervelli, and Pena?”
Is this like an everyday tradition? Melky is hovering around .300 for crying out loud.
randy-
I didn’t know that about the results on Jeter.
The interesting thing about defensive metrics is that there are so many now. UZR, +/- and so on, and so many different people doing it. So you can look at more than one. If the results on any player agree across several defensive metrics, I’d think you could trust them. If they disagree, then you know there’s an issue somewhere.
Jeter’s fielding by those defensive measures has improved since 2007. Most metrics have him as a poor fielding shortstop 2005-2007, but that since he’s been about average. That’s the way it seems to me, too. As an average fielding shortstop he’s incredibly valuable.
randy,
i’d love to see wang go 4-5 innings today and give up 4 ER or less. i think that’s a reasonable expectation and, if he can do that, should give him something to build on.
i absolutely agree about starting him vs the sox. unless he is absolutely dominant today, i see no reason for his second start back to be in that kind of situation, especially with the yanks already being 0-5 to the red sox this season. that series in fenway is absolutely as important as a june baseball series can be. they NEED to take at least two in fenway there, and i’m not convinced wang gives them a good chance to win that particular game, under the circumstances.
but, then again, if he’s lights out for 4-5 innings today, a lot changes.
i’m looking forward to the start. everyone seems to have a pretty high opinion of wang, and i know pete and the beat writers, as well as his teammates, seem to like him a great deal, so i really hope it works out for the kid. the last thing anyone wants to see is wang getting shelled again, especially when he’s evidently “fixed.”
*Ralph* , don’t forget Cano and Arod too
Why do people keep calling Melky an “automatic out”?
He is better than Matsui
Let’s go Wang! I think he will do well.
“is Cano ever going to take the next step? Show a monicom of discipline at the plate…”
Doubtful. I get on Cano’s case a lot and it’s not because I don’t like him, I just think his potential skyrockets if he would somehow incorporate patience into his game. He hits extremely well when he’s on and doesn’t strike out a lot, so I’m thankful to have a player like that, but still irked when I see a 1-4 game where he only sees 5 pitches.
I really just think I have to get used to what I am seeing. I do not think he will change. It seemed like maybe he was turning a corner in the first couple weeks of the season, but he has reverted to his habit of being “aggressive.” That’s good news for opposing pitchers, they’ve either got an out or given up a hit after a couple pitches.
Why does Burnett get 6 games and Padilla get nothing when intentionally hit Tex twice??
Speaking of Melky anyone see the video of him with his shirt off eating peanuts after a night with Mary Carey (an adult film star)?
DB – (officially panicked 5/13/09)
June 4th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Maybe Jeter just hasn’t found the person he knows he wont cheat on? I don’t see anything wrong with it.
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Nobody loves Jeter more than me, but I don’t think I would date him without disinfecting him first
Watson hates the Yankees.
Well, Jeter should get married before be quits baseball. Unless he has his tens of millions stashed in a bank, most of these hot babes he dates won’t be so interested in a “former Yankee”.
“Why do people keep calling Melky an “automatic out”?
He is better than Matsui”
Different. Not better.
Peter your comments are correct on the burnett suspension except 1 thing. where is the silva suspension?
he is a headhunting punk and needs more then a fine……….
that is unfair the rest of your arguement is correct and burnett will miss no starts……….
Vin,
Its because we have morons who come here and post the same gibberish everyday when the lineups are announced.
At this point, its comical more than anything else. That’s why the same people change their name everyday when they come on here with the same lineup complaints.
They want to think no one can tell its the same people posting the same nonsense every day.
Tom,
I think Tony is a fallback candidate for the Yankees right now. If the signability guys they are interested don’t drop, and he is the highest rated player on their board when they pick, I believe they would pick him.
Given what’s happening the last few days, I don’t see that happening because I think some of the signability guys will drop.
randy,
one thing i absolutely agree with you on is the way the yankees have handled wang re: the encouragement of secondary pitches.
why? for two years against ML hitters, the guy was unbeatable when he was on. teams made adjustments, players made adjustments, nothing worked. when his sinker was on, he was nearly unbeatable. why tinker with that by encouraging he work on secondary pitches which are, by anybody’s standards, mediocre at best. the guy is not a strikeout pitcher, he’s not going to be. when he’s dead on, he gets swings and misses on his sinker and that’s all he needs. if all of a sudden teams across baseball had adjusted to wang’s stuff then, sure, see if there’s a way around it but they hadn’t. and there was no sign they were going to.
it’s absurd to me.
i meant padilla.. sorry.
btm of the lineup has a .316 OBP % no offense but that’s not bad for the btm. of a lineup, it ain’t automatic outs that’s for sure.
That lineup is not going to score many runs… we have to win with pitching and defense today
If Wang gives up more than 3 ERs, that may be enough for Texas to win. We’re not scoring more than 2-3.
*DAZZ*
maybe it’s because he lacks discipline at the plate
some times.
Why does the league suspend AND fine Burnett for missing Cruz but only fine Padilla for actually hitting two batters (well, one batter twice in a row)? I totally get that Burnett threw up and in on purpose, and I assume the league does too, but why only fine Padilla? Why no suspension for him?
Melky and Cano aren’t automatic outs – for now. They are both hitting over .300, which is good because their ability to get on base is tied almost exclusively to their ability to get hits.
They don’t walk. Derek Jeter has more walks that both of them combined.
When they don’t hit over .300, that’s when they become automatic outs. Like last year. It’s why Cano will never hit in the 3 hole.
It’s why Nick Swisher, despite his .244 average is a better choice for the No. 2 hole today than either Cano or Cabrera.
He has an almost .380 OBP.
If Cano or Cabrera could just learn any semblance of plate discipline, the lineup would be virtually unstoppable.
Anyone know Bryce Harper’s natural position?
what about Guardado? he threw the same pitch to Matsui in the 8th inning of that game that Burnett threw to Cruz. where is his suspension?
Ralph:
Cabrera is an automatic out? Cervelli is an automatic out? What a dumb post if ever there was one.
“Anyone know Bryce Harper’s natural position?”
I believe he is a catcher.
“what about Guardado? he threw the same pitch to Matsui in the 8th inning of that game that Burnett threw to Cruz. where is his suspension?”
They can’t suspend Everyday Eddie! That would defeat the nickname.
Because I am just taking a breather from chores, I will say this about Derek Jeter. I think he is more than likely NOT going marry ANY of the “hot babes” he dates. I think when the time comes that he feels he wants to settle down, it will be with a non-celebrity.
Erica -
I hope he is tested regularly.
Though, I bet if you really counted over the years, there haven’t been all that many, considering. And you can’t assume he’s been, um, intimate with all of them.
Frankly, since it is a “known fact” that “most” baseball players cheat on their wives, Derek is a pretty smart guy not to get married while he’s still an active player. If he gets married it will be to precisely the girl who does not care if he was a former Yankee star.
“what about Guardado? he threw the same pitch to Matsui in the 8th inning of that game that Burnett threw to Cruz. where is his suspension?”
Thats an EXCELLENT point I just emailed Pete about. It really bugs me that the team that starts the beanball tends to get off the hook a lot easier than the team that defends its players. Oh well, such is life i suppose.
mlb.com draft projections are up
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....p;c_id=mlb
Don’t you just love the *know it alls* who act like their opinion is written in stone,when it comes to baseball and the Yankees,and name call,those they disagree with? It cracks me up. *You* know who you are,stop making it personal, *stop it* !!
How can anyeone question the reality that Nate McLouth is a legit five-tool guy?
The man owns a hammer, drill, screwdriver, wrench and shovel!
Don’t post moronic gibberish and you won’t be called a moron. Its pretty simple.
The same people whining and saying idiotic stuff about who the “automatic outs” in the lineup are, or trashing Arod for a bad night, despite the team playing .800 ball since he’s back is moronic.
If you don’t like it, don’t post it. Or, do a better job of defending your views. Either way works for me.
“Girardi said he would be satisfied if Wang could give them six innings. His pitch count will be around 80.”
uhhh good luck with that.
wave your hat-
there will soon be objective data on fielding so the debate on jeter won’t matter as much. i have no doubt dewan’s system on jeter was skewed by having people biased against jeter doing the viewing.
jeter represented clutchiness and intangibles which the sabermetric community on principle didn’t like so jeter became the poster child for them to attack.
just the fact dewan wrote long passages in his books about jeter shows the focus on jeter.
it’s no big deal in my mind and just shows the beginnings of a legitimate field of study. there’s going to be some errors.
i’m really not opposed to statistical analysis.it’s just that i played so much what is often said is a big “duh” to me. as a kid( even in sandlot ball up in the field)i always figured out my on base percentage for example .
i knew a player like mantle was way more important because of the walks he got. teams like the red sox are branching out and doing things like stealing and bunting. statistical analysis is opening up it’s thought processes as it matures.
so i’m very interested in as it evolves.
“If he gets married it will be to precisely the girl who does not care if he was a former Yankee star.”
This will never happen though. He’s Derek Freakin’ Jeter, for christ’s sake.
Doreen, If you are right and within a couple of years after quitting baseball, Jeter marries a regular woman and lives happily every after, I will eat my hat!
Padilla wasn’t suspended because he’s been waived, right?
Self appointed king of the blog. *n/t*
Pete is the web master, *not you* , he lays down the rules
not you!!
So what was the reason of pushing Sabathia back and having Wang pitch today with a shortened bullpen?
Should they have held Wang back to tomorrow so Hughes could pitch if Wang only went 4-5 innings??
“This is a guy we believe in and the ace of this staff the past few years” – Joe G
You tell ‘em. Wang is going to be making his statement today.
I doubt there will ever be a legit, objective way to truly measure defense. Someone is still going to try and conclude what balls should have or shouldnot have been gotten to. Positioning, style of pitcher, speed of batter, speed of runner, score and inning are all factors in how one plays defensively and cannot possibly all be factored in.
If a speedy batter grounds a single in the hole in a 3-2 game in the ninth inning you will do everything possible to get to that ball. If the same guy does it in a 12-0 game you’ll just wave at it.. that’s reality.
Garcia is pitching another great game in Trenton today.
Through 5 no runs, 2 bb and 4 ks.
From reports his velocity is not fully back to mid 90’s, but he is kicking butt with the curve and change and a 90-91 fastball.
A few more starts, a bit more velocity and command and then up to AAA he goes.
I got laughed at a couple of weeks ago when I suggested he might help the team THIS year. If he stays healthy he certainly has to be in the mix for the bullpen later in the season (perhaps just a Sept. call up).
On the subject of bullpen, I think the Yankees need to think clearly about the use of starting pitchers in the bullpen. A guy like Aceves I can see. He is a bit older, is more experienced and has shown he can start an pitch in relief. But I worry about Joba, Hughes and then maybe guys like Konton and Garcia who have the stuff to be starting pitchers getting whipsawed between the rotation and pen. I worry about health and emotional stability.
pete the only reason they suspend beckett was actions was his acrions after the pitch, i sent you an email
I was at the game last night and I boo’d A-rod because he has been mush with bases loaded this week. Was it reactionary? Probably. Do i wish i didn’t do it because he is such a head case and will only do worse because of it? I dunno. The guy needs to stop trying to hit a 5-run homer each time and just do what Jeter would do and make contact for at least a sac fly. Kinda like why Jeter only has one grand slam but is so clutch with the bases loaded.
As for why people like Tex more than A-rod, i think it is because he was Jeter’s rival (at least in the eyes of Yankee fans) when he was in Seattle and we hated him. I hated him then as much as i hate Manny now. Then he was suppose to be a Red Sock (more reason to hate) and was all of a sudden a Yankee. I”m not saying i hate him now or don’t root for him. I root for and actually like him now that he is a Yankee. But i can totally understand why people don’t like him. He was a rival for so long until 2004.
How does Padilla who is a nut case and known for throwing at people not get suspended? He hit him twice, is Watson kidding me? AJ probably got suspended because of where the ball was thrown. He should of throw it in the back and not up.
never mind sorry
“Girardi said he would be satisfied if Wang could give them six innings. His pitch count will be around 80.”
Girardi really thinks Wang can average 13 pitches an inning against this powerhouse Texas team, in his 1st start in a month?
Talk about lofty expectations. I’d settle for 5 innings, 5 runs.
This game is not important in wins or losses, but vital in another sense: Will Chien Ming Wang return?
This could be the make or break game of the season. On two teams(Bosston and NY) that as it is right now are virtually even on every plane except bullpen (where Boston dominates, we have perhaps slight edges in lineup and starting pitching. In order for us to win, we need to make starting pitching a major edge. Chien Ming Wang can help us do that.
“How does Padilla who is a nut case and known for throwing at people not get suspended?”
Rachel, TEX cut Padilla. He’s not pitching so there’s no reason to suspend him.
Go away Vic – you bring nothing and the guy to whom you refer brings it every day. Just go away.
baseball seems to be punishing the second stage of the retaliation.
they do not wan’t the tit for tat.
Padilla hits 2, fine…. Burnett hits no one and gets the same suspension as the Big Z got for his outburst…. ridiculous
Coast, I wold settle for five innings, but at a 2, maybe 3 run clip. Five is WAY too high.
Well said SJ44!
“for two years against ML hitters, the guy was unbeatable when he was on. teams made adjustments, players made adjustments, nothing worked. when his sinker was on, he was nearly unbeatable. why tinker with that by encouraging he work on secondary pitches which are, by anybody’s standards, mediocre at best. the guy is not a strikeout pitcher, he’s not going to be. when he’s dead on, he gets swings and misses on his sinker and that’s all he needs.”
kasey-
i obviously agree, but there is a yankee stat department that we don’t hear much about that believes that wang’s success couldn’t last with so few strike outs. they had cashman’s ear so the secondary pitch experiments began a few years ago and would surface from time to time.
wave your hat-
this sort of thing is what upsets me with the stat community. sometimes they just come up with very wrong stuff because they don’t understand that you don’t just add pitches without affecting existing pitches. that’s my opinion anyway.
the good news is temporarily everyone is focused on wang’s sinker.
Garcia – 6 innings same stats as above!
The bullpen isn’t short today. Aceves, Coke and Mo are all fresh. I’d rather have CC face Tampa than Texas. Division rival, being LH neutralizes Pena and Crawford, etc.
vic,
I’m not the king of anything. Just not a fan of moronic posts. If you don’t post moronic stuff, my comments shouldn’t bother you.
If you do…… Well, that’s too bad.
“Kinda like why Jeter only has one grand slam but is so clutch with the bases loaded.”
Bases loaded (BA/OBP/SLG/OPS):
Jeter: .363/.417/.451/.868
A-Rod: .339/.395/.695/1.090
Not much difference there. Jeter is phenomenal but A-Rod is not far behind.
I have no problem with Burnett being suspended 1 start. But Padilla should be suspended for his next MLB start, whenever that ends up being and with whatever team. He after all was the one who hit someone, not Burnett.
As for Wang starting today, I hope he can keep his pitches down. Or at least the Rangers under 10 runs. I don’t hold much hope for either.
Jeter’s Edge, I actually disagree. Jeter had the tying run on first. Swisher, who has power and has been hot of late, was on behind him (in the eighth inning). Did Jeet get a hit? No. A-Rod didn’t either, but you have to be fair about these things.
Yanks need a fan site with membership so there’s accountability and real posters. I’ve been coming to this blog for 3 years and have had about 25 different names. Some of the posts I read are unreadable and moronic and it gets to be annoying. I’m tired enough of the fans at the stadium booing Arod for one bad night but then I gotta hear cliff jumpers whining on this board too? Come on
vb03, I agree.
Bryan —-
The timing is to split up the lefties more than anything else. Plus Wang threw 42 pitches on Sunday, so starting today keeps him from being too rested.
Singleton: “Wang has never given up a homer to any Ranger, whether a Texas Ranger, lone Ranger, or park Ranger.”
Maybe he’s given one up to a Power Ranger? Just a guess.
lets go yankees.
come on wang.
wakefield against willis.
should be interesting.
Derek will never get married, suprising that this is still being discussed, guess the team has done its job well.
Sox fans think watson hate them, call him Yankee Bob. Yanks fans think Watson is pro Sox, the penalties both seem excessive, but at least they do seem to balance out, do NOT throw at or near a head, hit the dude in the back butt etc. Do not want to see another Tony C.
I’m not worried about Wang
I’m worried about the offense against McCarthy. Usually we sleep walk through the game and wake up in the later innings and try and rally. As you saw yesterday, Texas’ pen is nasty. One of the main reasons they are where they are in the standings.
I’m begging for registration. I’ll even come up with a good name.
The problem with AJ’s suspension is, its inconsistent. If you are going to suspend AJ, you also have to suspend Padilla.
Just because waivers were requested on him, doesn’t mean he can’t be suspended. He was in uniform last night.
But, that’s Bob Watson for you.
AJ will appeal it down to five games and they can work it around a day off. That’s not a big deal.
The inconsistency of the ruling is a big deal. It shows a bias that Watson has had for years against his former employers.
Wilson and Chair Throw Francisco are pretty good. Hope the Yanks don’t have to see those guys tonight.
Who cares if Jeter gets married, he’s played to play baseball and that’s why I watch him.
mcutchen for the pirates got a hit in his first ml at bat
Come on- I bought websites for dummies but have yet to figure out programming. But if you need something in bold print, I got it covered.
Watson wanted to be consistent, since he suspended Beckett 6 games for a similar incident. Difference is, Beckett initiated that incident cause he was mad that Abreu called timeout just as he was ready to pitch. Burnett was protecting his teammate, but I guess it doesn’t really matter why.
whoever said no girl would marry jeter cause when he is a “former player” is just asisine.
No problem with the suspension, as long as he doesn’t skip a start.
What Josh Bucket did was far more egregious. His yapper escalated the situation.
I hope the Pirates turn it around this season. It would be cool to see them be this year’s Rays since they’re in the NL and don’t affect the Yanks. Then like the Rays they can lose in the WS….to New York!
five iron from fenway, I was asked why isn’t he just pitching from the BP already, I think it’s that they are building up his arm strength as quick as possible. As soon as he hits mid 90’s it’s AAA for him. Possible Bronx in Aug.
I’m going up to chowdahland this weekend. I’m bringing extra disinfectant and soap.
The suspension is fair but stupid. The matter was solved on the field. No reason for execs to rear their ugly head into the matter.
Montero 1-3 as DH today after catching last night.
Check out Mike Ashmore’s blog for some great video and quotes from and about Montero.
I’m really excited about Montero. Everything I hear tells me he is an unbelievable hitter. Not just good, spectacular.
Brandon – agreed.
Although, similar to Hughes I think he has front of the rotation potential. If he can get his fastball a few ticks higher and his command of it back, he has 1-2 starter potential.
His curve and change are among the best in the organization and ahead of Phil’s.
It is all about health with Garcia. Stay healthy and we see him in NY soon enough.
“this sort of thing is what upsets me with the stat community. sometimes they just come up with very wrong stuff because they don’t understand that you don’t just add pitches without affecting existing pitches.”
That’s an interesting point, randy. I think a lot of fans think you just learn a pitch and that’s it. So Hughes can just go down to AAA and learn a change-up. But it can’t work that way, or a lot of pitchers would have a lot more pitches.
But I think it’s often hard for a fan, especially if the fan hasn’t played the game at a higher level, to really believe that down deep.
Who is this Garcia guy?
“Rachel, TEX cut Padilla. He’s not pitching so there’s no reason to suspend him.”
Didn’t Texas just put waivers on Padilla but not released him? Meaning that someone can claim him if they wanted to, but if no one does then he is still on the team? Or am I wrong? Why was he in their dug out last night if he was released….?
I can’t believe AJ was suspended – what a freaking joke. I also doubt he’ll get it reduced like Beckett did. I really detest Bob Watson
Also, GMAB – Padilla was merely fined? Sheesh…..
Is Jeter ok? Why isn’t he playing?
Guys, the suspension is no big deal. It’s a cycle-player gets suspended for throwing at someone, appeals, sentence reduced to four days, pitches next time out. You have to do it if you’re the commisioner or whoever decides this stuff.
Let’s go Wanger!!
Burnett suspended?
padilla is still part of the rangers. many guys go on waivers and never leave the team.
again padilla needs to be suspended for sure…….
pirate are winning 2-0.mcuthches scored,bases loaded one out.
the mets are a mess.
I am pretty sure Pete specifically asked everyone yesterday NOT to do bold cause it causes problems with the blog.
base hit 4-0 lead.pirates over mets.
If Wang has his good sinker, he may throw a complete game shutout in 80 pitches against this free swinging team.
If not and he leaves the ball up, Aceves will be in before the National Anthem. This is one of the worst possible matchups for him if he isin’t 100% with his sinker… this is a dead FB hitting team
True, Beckett did get suspended for the same thing. but then he appealed, got it dropped to 4 (or 5) games and never missed a start. In fact, wasn’t that drop in the # of games the reason why he toed the mound in the first Yanks/Red Sox series? I’m not ready to storm any gates yet but if A.J.’s suspension doesn’t get similarly reduced, I will be. After all, Becket’s pitch did incite a brawl. This however was accepted by the opposition.
Garcia – 7 ip, 4 hits, 2 walks and 6 strikeouts.
November – he is probably one of the best, although least known to the outside world, Yankee pitching prospects. Had TJ surgery and other assorted injury issues. Has pitched 4 games for AA this year, including today’s game. Reportedly has an unbelievable curve and change which are fully back and which he commands at will. He was a power mid 90 guy, but is only back to 90-91. He is building arm strength so hopefully he can crank it up a couple notches over time. Health is a major concern. If he can stay on the field he will almost definately get to AAA and perhaps to the Yankees by year end.
“Stay healthy and we see him in NY soon enough.”
five iron can he for once just stay HEALTHY, that’s ALL I ASK,
he’d immediately be like an AJ Burnett if he does.
Jeter isin’t playing because
A. He hasn’t had a day off in weeks and we need him to play everyday against the Rays-Sox-Mets.
B. Pena in the field will help Wang today
Seemed like a perfect opportunity to give him a day off.
Come on, Wanger!!
five iron from fenway, thanks a lot. He sounds a bit like one of those perennial DL guys so we’ll have to see. I’m more excited for Montero, Melancon, AJax, all of whom look to have promising careers ahead of them.
Burnett was protecting his teammate, but I guess it doesn’t really matter why.
By throwing on the head? If Burnett wanted to protect his teamate he could have done that by hitting him in his behind or his leg not the head.
A healthy Christian Garcia = Josh Beckett/AJ Burnett
23 yrs. old and I’d like to kick his a.. for all the injuries.
Please bring Garcia up to save the 8th inning
That FB/curve mixed in with that sick split-change thing he threw in ST is drool-worthy out of the pen.
AJ was suspended because the ball went near his head. The same thing happened with Proctor, Farns, and Joba. No matter what you can’t throw that high. But the fact that Padilla wasn’t suspended and he started the whole thing is a joke.
Brandon – he also has a filthy change. Burnett hasn’t used his much. Garcia can be a true 3 pitch pitcher. Don’t know if he will get the mid-90s back, but even 92-93 is plenty if you have command and control and of the offspeed stuff.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....p;c_id=mlb
Laird’s bunt rolled foul just short of third base and would have been a hit if it had stayed fair. Beckett, who lost his no-hitter with two outs in the seventh, wound up striking out Laird looking.
“You’ve got to [try to] win that game,” Laird said. “It’s only 4-0. It’s in the sixth inning. It’s not like it was the eighth inning. When you’re only down four runs in the sixth inning, what does he want us to do? You do whatever you can to get on. I’m sure he didn’t like that. That’s probably why I wore one in the leg. It’s all right. It’s part of the game.”
Laird was referring to his subsequent at-bat in the bottom of the eighth. With a runner on second and nobody out, Beckett hit Laird with a 2-2, two-seam fastball.
If the Red Sox’s ace was upset with Laird for the attempted bunt, he chose not to express it publicly.
“That’s part of his game,” said Beckett. “You look at the scouting report, he generally tries to do that in his second or third at-bat. It wasn’t that big a deal.”
Never shy about expressing his opinion, Hall of Famer Dennis Eckersley, who was serving as a color commentator on NESN for Wednesday’s game, wasn’t a big fan of Laird’s attempted bunt.
“I didn’t like it. But I’m a pitcher,” said Eckersley, who threw a no-hitter in 1977 for the Indians. “I wouldn’t like it; I don’t think Nolan Ryan would have liked it.”
Told of Beckett’s diplomatic response, Eckersley said, “But then he drilled him.”
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but burnett gets suspended.okeydokey.
Good luck wang!
And dont become cry babies if he gives up a run..
I got him down for 5IP, 7 hits 3 runs 2bb 3ks.
Sounds as if to be sucessful in the ML he’ll have to dial that fastball up a bit more. Otherwise he sounds like he could be great. Hopefully as time goes on his arm strength will build.
Beckett’s suspension was reduced to 5 games and I agree that if Watson doesnt reduce Burnett’s suspension he has every right to get mad.
You send a pitch above the neck, you ought to get suspended.
However, consistency is required. Suspend Padilla and Burnett, not just one.
Let’s go Wang!!! I hope the Yankee game doesn’t start the same way the Met’s game started today.
What about the pitcher that threw up and in to Matsui? Oh that is okay, it wasn’t a Yankee pitcher.
I think Wang could give six innings today. Hopefully.
Guys, it’s not a big deal. You throw near the head you’re suspended, player appeals, sentence reduced to four games.
AJ got suspended because he threw ear the guys head.
Same reason Beckett got suspended.
Leason learned; throw at the guy’s belt.
I guess Hughes get’s at least one more start in June.
The umps didn’t eject AJ and the Rangers understood what AJ did – that pitch wasn’t even that close to Cruz. This is a colossal joke – I’ve seen mentioned that Zambrano got the same 6 games for basically going bonkers, bumping an ump, etc…..How is this fair? And I don’t think this suspension will get reduced…
“Girardi said he would be satisfied if Wang could give them six innings. His pitch count will be around 80.”
Girardi really thinks Wang can average 13 pitches an inning against this powerhouse Texas team, in his 1st start in a month?
Talk about lofty expectations. I’d settle for 5 innings, 5 runs.
My Goodness! What is a manager supposed say?
He made his comment setting a goal for his pitcher. I’d be upset if Girardi gave a more mediocre expectation.
I’m sure the suspension will be reduced.
The sinker looks like it’s sinking so far.
“Girardi said he would be satisfied if Wang could give them six innings. His pitch count will be around 80.”
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Joe, if Wang gets through 6 on 80 pitches, he’s dealing… of course you’d be satisfied.
LET’S DO THIS WANGER!
Apparently Peter Gammons is annoyed – he said it was as stupid suspension and that MLB is sending the wrong message (that you can throw at someone on purpose without fear of penalty, but forget about “retaliating”). He’s right – I do hope the Yankees make a stink about this.
Hopefully, they won’t pull him at the first sign of trouble. A win would be great today, but I’m looking for general progress from Wang and patience from the Yanks.
Bowling ball sinker, baby!
WHy do we need to say for the rangers that wang is on a pitch count? girardi made the same mistake with joba last year, all the rangers will do is take pitches and try to get wang out of the game, STUPID!!!
“AJ got suspended because he threw ear the guys head.
Same reason Beckett got suspended.
Leason learned; throw at the guy’s belt.”
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Agreed. It’s not that hard. You don’t throw at a guys head. Better to drill them in the ribs or hip.
“Brandon – he also has a filthy change. Burnett hasn’t used his much. Garcia can be a true 3 pitch pitcher. Don’t know if he will get the mid-90s back, but even 92-93 is plenty if you have command and control and of the offspeed stuff.”
five iron, I don’t think he ever tops out at 97, 98 again.
95MPH
yea wang!..quick outs now
Gift call thanks blue!
Kinsler didn’t like that one. Borderline.
velocity 92-93 right off the bat. good sign.
I’m glad to hear Chris Garcia is pitching well.
Romulo Sanchez is another one to watch out for RHRP.
Also Wilkins DeLaRosa (Who is on the 40Man) he got promoted to Trenton with Jesus Montero, he’s looking good for a near future spot as a lefty reliever.
Benny
How about 6 innings and 7 ground ball singles
“but burnett gets suspended.okeydokey.”
Location, location, location.
AJ’s was head high. Beckett hit Laird waist high.
1 pitch, 1 out=
Cant wait to see people jump back on wang’s bandwagon. CROW ANYONE?
“I got him down for 5IP, 7 hits 3 runs 2bb 3ks.”
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I’d take that for his 1st start back against a strong lineup in Yankee Stadium.
I think he’ll be around there.
hey benny,
i’ll be happy to eat crow but let’s give it more than TWO BATTERS, shall we? thanks.
Wang at 91 to 94 on Game Day…
93-94 sinkers, not too shabby.
wooooooooooooo
Welcome back CMW!!!!
Wow, was that a slider? NICE
nice changeup…gameday says slider tho
Nasty slider
“Cant wait to see people jump back on wang’s bandwagon. CROW ANYONE?”
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lol – so true
I hope people eat crow and I’m sure they’d be happy to eat it if it means Wang is back.
Looks like CMW is back. Party time for the hitters is over.
94, good sign
And LoHud rejoices. Yaaay!
91-94 in the first inning.
Phil who?
nice first inning for Wang, Cisco and him vibing a bit.
1-2-2 for wanger..
Will the real Chien-Ming Wang please stand up!!!!
“Cant wait to see people jump back on wang’s bandwagon. CROW ANYONE?”
Let’s hope he keeps it up. The bowling ball sinker seems to be back.
Damn, that slider was filthy, Blalock was way out in front expecting the bowling ball sinker. No chance.
Damn, it’s good to see CMW coolly strolling off the mound after a 1-2-3 inning again.
Wang probably has a fire in him that might not have been there before.
He shouldn’t necessarily need to prove himself given his career thus far, but he’s been put in a position where he needs to prove he’s worth a damn.
One inning – so far, so good…
13*6=78 for 6 innings
So Johnny avg. 3.5 BB per game (that’s not walks)
CC-Wang-AJ-Joba-Hughes is gonna be a helluva rotation next year.
Damon gimmie my lead off spot back!
JOHNNNNNYY DDDDDDDD
Damon’s Deck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It’s time for the serenity prayer… I have to listen to John Sterling on the radio today.
JOHNNY!
DAMON Into the jet stream.
A Johnny Rocket!!!
lets get him some runs
Nice, JD!
“So Johnny avg. 3.5 BB per game (that’s not walks)”
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so true
I hope he’s at least being “green” and recycling those bats.
You could build a house.
Just think how much this is going to help wang. Having runs ealry.
When you have a pitcher like Padilla who throws at people all the time; his suspension should be stricter. It should not be accepted.
McCarthy the string bean has been very good recently. Hopefully they are able to put some early runs on the board and take some pressure off of Wang. Go Damon, that is a start…
UPDATE, 1:14 p.m.: Guess who’s back? Back again. Wang is back. Tell a friend.
well played.
it’s been one inning but i’ll give it to him, the big fella looked good. here’s hoping he keeps it up.
That was a BOMB!!
Knobler reports that rival officials believe the Marlins are now “open to” trading Ross and Jeremy Hermida, not just Jorge Cantu and Dan Uggla.
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should the Yanks make a move? Ross and Cantu would be great bench options. Ross would definitely come cheaply.
Brandon – It think 96-97 is overrated.
Sure it is nice to be able to reach back and throw that hard. But watching guys like Joba (at times), Phil and Robertson blow guys away between 90 – 94, that is really all you need.
Watching Robertson last night I was hoping for a few more strikes. I like pitchers being more aggressive and going after the hitters.
great first inning.
… and very nice secondary pitch on last strikeout
Nice inning for CMW, Next test is what he does with men on base. Damon with a good start to the offense.
“A Johnny Rocket!!!”
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you make that up?
I like it!
lead-off homer, DamoNNNNNNNNNNNNN
Johnny don’t shake your head whenyou hit it, Francesa about the YS HR soon to follow.
McCarthy is up in the zone, good time to jump all over him.
And ohlendorf gives it right back…
nice start offense
Swisher enjoying that 2 hole.
I think Swish likes that #2 hole
That’s a new Yankee Stadium HR. Johnny was shaking his head as he left the batters box because he didn’t hit it well.
Another reason why having Wang back in the rotation is so important. An extreme groundball pitcher is going to be very important in this ballpark.
WHY IS SWISHER HITTING SECOND!!! FIRE GIRARDI!
Sterling made me think that was back-to-back…ill take the double though
Also, forgive my noobery, but can someone explain the OPPC to me?
“great first inning.
… and very nice secondary pitch on last strikeout”
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randy tested. and randy approved.
good to hear!!
Yeah Wang had a first inning 1-2-3 earlier this year. Not excited yet.
(to be fair I didn’t see his 1-2-3, so maybe the this 1-2-3 looked better.
wang just homered! then wang followed it up with a double! i hope wang is able to drive wang in from 2B here! he’s the greatest major league baseball player since ruth! probably better because he’s such a great guy!
Swish likes batting 2nd in front of the big boys. Maybe Arod was right that is why Jeter’s numbers are so good anyone can bat 2nd..LOL
Good morning!
First, nice start from Wang, keep it up. Crazy theory, but maybe they wanted to start him in a day game so it would be the middle of the night in Taiwan and fewer hometown folks would be watching? Ok, you’re right, that’s a stretch.
DT: nice Jackie Childs. That cannot go unpraised.
Finally, I have a big announcement to make. I, Nick in SF, am officially *not* engaged to Minka Kelly. Thank you for your time.
FAIL.
“I think Swish likes that #2 hole”
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Beavis: “hehehehehhehehe:
lol fail
He dropped it!!!
Wow, he dropped the ball.
He caught that….
Boston Dave (in Fargo, ND) – OPPC member
June 4th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
“A Johnny Rocket!!!”
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you make that up?
I like it!
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That’s what John Sterling says on the radio after Johnny Damon hits a home run. Every Yankee gets their own call. When A-Rod hits one, its “An A-Bomb from A-Rod”
wow…e7. I ‘ll take it
Bad call but ill take it
“Knobler reports that rival officials believe the Marlins are now “open to” trading Ross and Jeremy Hermida, not just Jorge Cantu and Dan Uggla.”
Hermida but I’m not sure if if he’s fieldind great this year.
Well not sure about that…Teix just said “Are you kiddin’ me ?”
“wang just homered! then wang followed it up with a double! i hope wang is able to drive wang in from 2B here! he’s the greatest major league baseball player since ruth! probably better because he’s such a great guy!”
Now, now, no need to be bitter.
New Yankee lineup
Jeter
Swisher
Damon
Tex
Arod
Cano
Posada
Matsui
Gardy/Melky
*fielding*
I thought Arods was gone.
Wow, not so good baserunning by Tex.
what a terrible call by the ump he definitely caught it
come on tex two times in 3 days!!
So close there to getting out of that run down.
thanks Erica –
I’ve heard the ARod call but never Damon’s.
They may be corny but I like em’
Does Tex know how to run the bases??? That is like the 3rd time we have seen that from him.. What a way to kill the inning…
two stike outs and one fly out for Wang? does look like him, but I take it
2 out hit needed here, Cano.
Um what base was Tex running to. Sterling was a mess on that call.
Sounds like an odd bottom of the 1st.
Horrible base running
come on Cano!!
jennifer
June 4th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
New Yankee lineup
Jeter
Swisher
Damon
Tex
Arod
Cano
Posada
Matsui
Gardy/Melky
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I almost agree- I would leave A-Rod in #4 and then put Tex in the 5 spot to protect him
That was smoked.
Well, if nothing else, McCarthy’s not fooling anyone
Its Karma.
Listening to John Sterling trying to decipher a play in incredible. All he needs is dark glasses and a cane….
Congrats to Nick on his non-engagement. Is your non-fiancee registered anywhere… it makes it easier for non-gifts.
jennifer
June 4th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Um what base was Tex running to. Sterling was a mess on that call.
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LOL. Did Sterling even know who was on base?
maybe i just didn’t see it before, but swisher seems like he’s shortened his follow through lately and is hitting the ball hard up the middle and the opposite way.
chien-ming wang’s family crest is a picture of a barracuda eating neil armstrong.
chien-ming wang drives an ice cream truck covered in human skulls.
did I ever tell you about the time wang took me out to go get a drink with him? we go off looking for a bar and we can’t find one. finally wang takes me to a vacant lot and says, “here we are.” we sat there for a year and a half—until sure enough, someone constructs a bar around us. well, the day they opened we ordered a shot, drank it, and then burned the place to the ground. wang yelled over the roar of the flames, “always leave things the way you found ‘em!”
not great to let mccarthy off the hook there, but they gave chien-ming brasky a run to work with.
A-Rod DP again
Baserunning mistake by Tex changed that inning. Then again, he should have never been on first to begin with since the umpire blew that call.
Boston Dave (in Fargo, ND) – OPPC member
June 4th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
thanks Erica –
I’ve heard the ARod call but never Damon’s.
They may be corny but I like em’
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I do too. They help me tolerate his more confused moments. I also love those times he yells, “It is high. It is far. It is caught. 10 feet before the warning track”
Groundout from Wang. 1 away.
Bowling ball sinkers baby.
“Listening to John Sterling trying to decipher a play in incredible. All he needs is dark glasses and a cane…. ”
Everyone complaining about Burnett getting suspended is forgetting one piece of key information. He threw at Cruz’s head. If Burnett plunks him on the backside or throws behind he wouldn’t get suspended. It stinks for sure but he really shouldn’t have thrown at Cruz’s head.
Nice shot by Cano. Too bad it was right at someone.
Congrats to Nick on his non-engagement. Is your non-fiancee registered anywhere… it makes it easier for non-gifts.
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What happened?
Speaking of eating crow, it’s poetic justice that our pal Jeff NJ is at the game today to witness the futility of “Wang should be a reliever” position.
I recall not long ago he came onto this page telling a few of us by name to EAT CROW because Wang was temporarily in the bullpen and Jeff took that as some sort of vindication of his prediction.
I’m sure his apology will be forthcoming.
Sad to see that Pete tried to turn Teixiera’s screw up into Alex’s failure. With no one out job one is to get thr runner to third. That’s what he did. Jeez!
“A-Rod DP again”
Pump the breaks, there. He hit one to the track and tex f**ked up.
Randy,
It does seem that he is shorter and quicker to the ball now from the left side. Its a nice adjustment for him and so far its working.
i was going to start wakefield on my fantasy team but pulled him 10 minutes before the game.
i am glad i did 2-0 detroit.
inge my fantasy catcher hit a 2 run double.
wakefield & boston have not been good on the road.
Wang!
Another groundout. 2 away.
Machine.
That last sinker was 94. Nice.
randy l.
June 4th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
maybe i just didn’t see it before, but swisher seems like he’s shortened his follow through lately and is hitting the ball hard up the middle and the opposite way.
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Pretty much the same short, cutoff stroke as the center field home run in Cleveland.
Nick in SF
June 4th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Good morning!
Finally, I have a big announcement to make. I, Nick in SF, am officially not engaged to Minka Kelly. Thank you for your time.
Jennifer – keep up!
“Sad to see that Pete tried to turn Teixiera’s screw up into Alex’s failure. With no one out job one is to get thr runner to third. That’s what he did. Jeez!”
The clean-up hitter’s job is not to move a base runner over. You take that if he doesn’t do his main job, drive him in. If he was Brett Gardner, Ramiro Pena or Cervelli, yes, move him over, but not A-Rod.
Wanger!!!
http://sufferthegringo.files.w.....-wang1.jpg
Wang cruisin’.
Niiiiiice!
Thanks, DT and jennifer. I can honestly say: nothing happened.
BTW, DT, since you get Sterling on the radio, can you let us know if either “Hiroshima” or “Nagasaki” are uttered? I like to be up to date on all the latest calls.
WANGER 3K’s
Nasty, nasty, nasty stuff.
It’s nice having the #2 starter back. The rest of the league cannot be happy about this.
3-0 detroit over boston
Does anyone have a link to stream the radio broadcast for this game live?
Thanks in advance.
BUT LOOK AT THOSE 3 STARTS!!!!!
Nick,
We will never see that mea culpa! lol
Really liking what I’m seeing with so far. Everything is down. Man, if he’s back, this team really becomes dangerous.
4 starters capable of giving them 7 innings a start and the best #5 starter in baseball in Joba.
That’s how they drew it up in the off-season.
“I do too. They help me tolerate his more confused moments. I also love those times he yells, “It is high. It is far. It is caught. 10 feet before the warning track””
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Yeah, you need to condition yourself to not get excited when he says that.
Now that Harry Caray isn’t with us, somebody needs to take over.
“Mike McGwire and Sammy Sooser”
oh wait, that was Ted Kennedy. well, what’s the difference?
dl
http://stream2.wtsnam1270.com/
1-2-3,1-2-3, 6 up, 6 down, 3 strike outs. 23 pitches. Wang can go for a complete game
Nick in SF
June 4th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Good morning!
Finally, I have a big announcement to make. I, Nick in SF, am officially not engaged to Minka Kelly. Thank you for your time.
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HAHAHAHA. Thanks so much for clearing that up
The grass is always greener on the other side, unless chien-ming wang has been there. In that case the grass is most likely soaked in blood and tears.
Nick- You are awful!!
Dt- I am at work, So not totally keeping up.
“3-0 detroit over boston”
Let’s hope the D-Train can make that stand.
looking good so far. two groundouts and a K. plus, he’s being economical which is a huge plus given his pitch count.
2 innings, 2 groundouts, 3 Ks, 23 pitches, no hits. I’m glad he’s starting strong.
Gameday says he’s throwing a curveball. I’m guessing it’s his slider??
Patrick — Gotta disagree. Any pitchers who wants to him someone in the head will do so. The pitch was to deliver the message… cut that crap out! and it worked. Both teams were warned, no one was ejected… that’s baseball. It’s almost Bob “wahh the Yanks fired me” Watson is delivering the message that you might as well go ahead and hit someone which is a terrible message.
Wang looks great… those 80 pitches just might get him six-plus.
Wang is showing precisely why he shouldn’t be rotting in the bullpen. Also making his bosses look good for picking this start to put him back in.
Keep it up, CMW.
For those of us who can’t watch the game — what happened on the A-Rod fly that resulted in Teixeira being doubled up? Did he just take off and assume it was a hit? Yahoo says the shortstop made the out, but I’m assuming it was the first baseman??
if we can only straighten the bullpen out.
we will need a good bullpen.
Wang: 23 pitches through 2. He is on a 80 pitch count. The way he is dealing right now, can we maybe hope and wish he gets through 7?
“Another groundout. 2 away.”
After being down 3-0 in the count.
Hold on, Tubby… Rodriguez did his job and moved Swisher to third with 1 out last inning.
No matter what Alex does or doesn’t do in the next few games, I will not trash him or get angry at him. He’s in a slump – believe it or not, these things happen. I think it’s sort of ludicrous for fans to like players only when they do well and then turn right around and trash them when they don’t. Alex is still not far removed from surgery – fans need to deal with it. If they can’t, then I don’t want to hear them cheering for him when he picks it up again.
Miguel Cabrera out for the Tigers due to injury.
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/0.....-teammate/
This is the guy people didn’t think belonged in the rotation?
He looks pretty good to me! According to Gameday the velocity is back too.
Thanks Coach.
so if nothing else, Alex, his surgery and his doctor get credit for giving us the real CMW back…
Joe 1 — I didn’t say moving the runner was his ONLY job, I said in that situation getting the runner to third without a DP is job one, that’s the first priority and he did accomplish that. Obviously you want your cleanup hitter to do more, but a deep fly that sets up 1st and 3rd and one out is not a bad result as was implied
UPDATE, 1:23 p.m.: What in the world was Teixeira doing there? Bad base-running. Meanwhile, A-Rod has left seven runners on base in his last four at-bats, four of them in scoring position.
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Never mind that he hit the ball to deep rught and moved the runner to third.
I blink and it’s two outs.
ball to deep ***right*** and moved the runner to third
Is this really SJ?
Sterling talking about the lack of day get away games, and how the Yankees are sooo nice giving Texas a day get away game. They are only doing it because Texas goes to Boston. Yankees want Texas to get sleep.
What happened? Nick’s *not* engaged?
Congrats?
BTW, DT, since you get Sterling on the radio, can you let us know if either “Hiroshima” or “Nagasaki” are uttered? I like to be up to date on all the latest calls.
will do. It does get confusing sometimes. When Sterling gets sloshed, “No more Saki” sometimes becomes slurred as NoMoSaki.
That half inning was over in a blink.
hmmm so maybe the Yankees did know what they were doing with Wang after all?
Okay back to work for me. Later
sj44-
gb 7 and i noticed the cut off back swing on the left handed homer to center the other night.
i’ve got to check some old video and see if it is something new.
whatever it is ,it’s nice to see.
Classic Dontrelle Willis. Given a 3-0 lead, he’s up O-2 on Ellsbury then hits him, then walks Julio Lugo.
Good grief.
Chien-Ming Wang ERA Countdown:
14.06
“June 4th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
BTW, DT, since you get Sterling on the radio, can you let us know if either “Hiroshima” or “Nagasaki” are uttered? I like to be up to date on all the latest calls.
will do. It does get confusing sometimes. When Sterling gets sloshed, “No more Saki” sometimes becomes slurred as NoMoSaki.”
Nick
You need work on your Jeterian lingo. You don’t deny the engagement. You just talk around it until the person asking the question gets tired and loses interest.
I think when we realize that Pete is just not capable of being objective about Alex (like most Yankee fans), we’ll all be better for it.
Glad to see Wang looking so good – his return will be huge for the Yankees. He’s a very good pitcher and he eats innings…. On the negative side, looks like the Yankees are struggling a bit at the plate.
That sinker appears to be back to form. So encouraging I can hardly sit still.
I’m sick of Kay’s man crush with O’Neil
“Actor David Carradine has been found dead, hanging by a nylon rope in a hotel room closet in Bangkok, Thailand, according to a Thai police official. The rope was believed taken from hotel room curtains, Bangkok Police Col. Pirom Chanpirom said. Investigators found no signs of forced entry, he said.”
Damn.
“I’m sick of Kay’s man crush with O’Neil”
Who doesn’t have a man-crush on O’Neil
If this continues, I will be ordering the following:
http://shop.mlb.com/product/in.....30.1339624
Ugh, leadoff double on 0-2. Meh.
let’s hope this version of wang stays for good. if so, the al east is a different beast. if we have 4 6 or 7 inning guys in the rotation, it takes a lot of pressure off the team’s weakness, the bullpen
Nomo? Hideo Nomo? I miss that guy.
just as i write that, double. let’s see how he does
“Damn.”
The rope was tied around his genitals as well. Yikes.
Wang keeps the runner on 3rd.
BIG out there
Typical CM Wang. Gives up a hit. Nothing’s changed.
Forgot to mention this before. But bench coach and catching instructor Tony Pena turned 52 today
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Happy birthday to him
“The rope was tied around his genitals as well. Yikes.”
…..?
Willis goin’ all D-Train in Motown. HBP and 3 walks in the 3rd.
Jon Ringland
June 4th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
“I’m sick of Kay’s man crush with O’Neil”
Who doesn’t have a man-crush on O’Neil
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I am not a man, but I had the honor of meeting Paul O’Neill at a Fleetwood Mac concert in 2003. Being the giant dork I am, I introduced myself and shook his hand, stuttering like an idiot the whole time.
Tell me again how Boston continues to miss Halliday and Verlander etc.
“…..?”
Read what I was replying to. David Carradine killed himself.
Erica,
I am a man. I am a straight man. I have never met Paul O’Neil, however, I have a crush on him. Unless there’s a close play and he’s called out…then I run for cover.
Nomo was good as a Dodger.
Of course when he was a Red Sox – Hideo was short for Hideous.
94mph
Does Cervelli speak to Wang in Spanish or Italian?
“Read what I was replying to. David Carradine killed himself.”
What an odd way to go.
“You need work on your Jeterian lingo. You don’t deny the engagement. You just talk around it until the person asking the question gets tired and loses interest.”
It’s the Jeter Fog Machine.
Anyone remember the singer Mel Torme? If you don’t remember Mel as Mel, do you remember Mel as Night Court’s Judge Harry Stone’s favorite singer?
Anyway, singer Mel Torme’s nickname was The Velvet Fog. Sometimes I think that name might fit Jeter too.
Yikes
Good job there by Willis!
That’s tough.
Damn that ball was bounced 25 ft. infront of Cisco.
Wang has thrown a couple of those wild pitches, but that was the first time he threw on with a runner on base.
“Tell me again how Boston continues to miss Halliday and Verlander etc.”
Today was Verlander’s 5th day too. Leyland decided to give him the extra day the off day afforded.
Jon Ringland
June 4th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Erica,
I am a man. I am a straight man. I have never met Paul O’Neil, however, I have a crush on him. Unless there’s a close play and he’s called out…then I run for cover.
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Haha. Those poor Gatorade coolers. I actually had better seats than him at the concert and I spent the whole night turning around watching Paul O’Neill watching Fleetwood Mac. Except when it started raining (it was Jones Beach), Paul O’Neill got to go backstage. So he wins
Posada would have flagged that WP and then tagged out the runner.
“Tell me again how Boston continues to miss Halliday and Verlander etc.”
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I’ve noticed that too. They’ve been a bit lucky so far. They got 2/3 of their season games against the Angels done with no Lackey or Escobar too.
Erica,
Fleetwood Mac? Really? Did you lose a bet or something
That’s tough, hard hit grounder.
man, 1 pitch, 1 run?
lol tex was like “WOAAAAAAAAH”
Gift run there. Double on an 0-2 pitch to a .190 hitter and now trouble.
This is where Wang has to limit the damage. Try to hold this to one run. His troubles come into play when he gives up the big inning.
Why throw to second? Kinsler had a good jump with 2 outs.
Battle Wang, battle!
at least it didn’t get out of the infield
The Cash Truthers believe strongly that Kevin Cash would have blocked that ball.
so we’ve got a double, a walk (wild pitch) and a single here in the same inning. let’s hope he leaves it at one run.
anybody see what happened in the Sox game?
Looks like hes holding on to the ball too long.
Thank god Georgy ain’t catching today
I miss Phil… Wang sucks now
Jon Ringland
June 4th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Erica,
Fleetwood Mac? Really? Did you lose a bet or something
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Haha. No way. I love them. I started listening to them in 1997 and I have seen them in concert like, 8 times since then I think. I actually have tickets to see them at the Garden next Thursday and then I am seeing them again next Saturday in Atlantic City.
That’s o.k. A-Rod, you can make up for it by striking out w/the bases loaded.
RS
June 4th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Why throw to second? Kinsler had a good jump with 2 outs.
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Because he also had no chance of getting Young out, either.
i think we’re seeing the fatigue coming in now with wang.
Great job by Dontrelle Willis. Can’t even go 3 innings. What a freaking bum. Sox will sweep the tigers. Damn it.
That was a good pitch, and better hitting.
Uh oh, can Wang pitch from the stretch? He seems fine in the windup, but the minute baserunners get on…
guess who’s back. back again. wang is back. tell a friend.
and the recipe for Wang is being done here, wait for sinker to hang as a LHB and go the other way.
come on Wanger
tis a shame…wang isnt exactly pitching poorly…this inning needs to end now
This is the difference between a great start and a rocky start. Arod still thinking he’s playing shortstop and not throwing to first on that play. This guy never became a 3rd basemen.
Don’t listen to them, Erica. You can go your own way.
Well between Willis and Wang I don’t know’s falling apart quicker today.. I’d have to say Willis since he’s out of the game, but this is disappointing to see this with Wang!
I can’t believe he can’t get this third out.
I still think Arod should have thrown Young out at first.
Is Damon arm really that weak, he can’t attempt to throw home ?
Wang’s always had some trouble from the stretch. This isn’t new.
Just have to limit the damage.
Wang has had a problem when baserunners his entire career.
It doesn’t have anything to do with fatigue.
Struck him out looking.
2 runs after 2 outs? what’s wrong
The 0-2 pitch to Davis and the WP were the killer pitches in this inning.
Blalock hit a good pitch. That’s baseball.
He did a good job bouncing back. Its only 2-1. Still a ballgame.
The worst pitches that Wang made in that inning was during the walk to Kinsler.
Oh well, not having Posada in there extended the inning and cost us a couple of runs, but Wang didn’t blow up at all.
It’s a process.
Tough inning, that’s okay though. Even on the 80 pitch count I can see him going 6 innings.
Jay that ball to Damon wasn’t exactly a line drive. By the time it bounces 3 times there was no chance at home.
“Well between Willis and Wang I don’t know’s falling apart quicker today.. I’d have to say Willis since he’s out of the game, but this is disappointing to see this with Wang!’
He gave up an RBI single on a borderline strike, and a grounder hit in exactly in the right place.
The only bad pitch this inning was the 0-2 double he gave up to lead off.
Not bad, but srsly gotta stop putting yourselves into these innings. Al goes to 1st the inning is over, but Wang doesn’t bounce a 60 footer and make Cisco go slip and slide back there it’s not even a run in that inning.
“Don’t listen to them, Erica. You can go your own way.”
CMW is K-ing guys left and right.
Well, my day went into the pooper real fast, now Sox up 6-3??
How is somebody “falling apart” in that inning.
They hit one ball hard the entire inning.
Here’s a newsflash for you. They are playing a first place team that has one of the best offenses in baseball.
Believe it or not, they are trying to hit just as much as Wang is trying to pitch.
He’s doing a good job so far. Especially since its his first start in almost 2 months.
RS
You can think he should have thrown to first. You can’t know he would have thrown him out based on where the ball was fielded and his momentum was taking him.
run support please
pitch count isn’t just for the whole game.
it’s how many pitches in an inning too.
wang was getting a bit of a danger zone with too many in an inning , but got out of it without too much damage.
some yankee runs would help.
Why is 7,8, 9 attempting to bunt so much
Nick in SF
June 4th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Don’t listen to them, Erica. You can go your own way.
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Thanks Nick! They are actually an amazing show
Some run support for Wang would be nice.
“Don’t listen to them, Erica. You can go your own way.”
Nice one Rickles. Scary thing was… I was just about to type something similar. Seriously. (I’d say I’m not lying, but that would be so yesterday….)
Damon got robbed.
damn.
Cruz is a hater.
terrible call and pause by Sterling.
This Cruz kid has a very bright future
Gotta love how the infield hit was Rodriguez’ fault. If Pena made the play, he wasn’t getting either runner. Really objective there.
Why isn’t a wild pich considered an error on the pitcher?
It was a good move by Girardi to slide Wang in the rotation today and push back CC till tommorow night….The Rays are attrocious against lefties(even mediocre ones) so CC will give them nightmares tonight
If we have to rely on Damon home runs today to get any offense going it’s not going to be a good day.
I sense another quick inning for McCarthy as the hitters go down quietly…
“Some run support for Wang would be nice.”
It’d be nice if he’d stop playing darts w/ Cisco too
Is there anything more inane that the “Pitch By Pitch”? Yeah, we just saw those pitches like 10 seconds ago. We don’t necessarily need to see them again.
Why not spend that time focusing on the hotties in the stands?
“terrible call and pause by Sterling.”
Tell me about it. Second time this game he’s given me false hope :-\
does texiera take baserunning lessons from posada??
how does wang look do not have a TV????
McCarthy dealing.
9 in a row retired by texas pitcher.
“F’in Sterling…. what a call. It is high, It is far…. (confused silence) …it’s ummmm……
caught.”
LOL
Hey Brandon isn’t Cruz the guy you wanted the Yankees to trade for last year?
I’m at work listening and Sterling (once again) got my hopes up with the enthusiasm of his call to let me down with a long pause for 5 secs. and then with a “caught”. BAAAAh!!!
Koko Taylor passed away today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxCa16-nxtM
DT
June 4th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
“Don’t listen to them, Erica. You can go your own way.”
Nice one Rickles. Scary thing was… I was just about to type something similar. Seriously. (I’d say I’m not lying, but that would be so yesterday….)
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I am really excited about next weekend. Two of the few things I love as much as the Yankees are Fleetwood Mac and Atlantic City. And so I don’t miss anything, I found a great sports bar in the Pier at Caesars to watch Yankee games in. I just hope I am back at full strength by then.
Unfortunately, my doctor did not clear me to go back to work tomorrow. I can’t return until Monday. (I am not sure how sarcastic I am being right now. I will let you decide)
DT June 4th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
F’in Sterling…. what a call. It is high, It is far…. (confused silence) …it’s ummmm……
caught
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misery likes company. glad I am not the only one ready to thrown my radio onto 7th ave. Look out below.
“Believe it or not, they are trying to hit just as much as Wang is trying to pitch.”
SJ: That could have come right out of Bull Durham, straight from Crash Davis’ mouth.
Sox get 6 runs on 2 hits and the Yanks bad baserunning runs them right out of innings. I’ve seen this repeatedly game after game after game with bad baserunning!
UPDATE, 1:51 p.m.: Weird bad inning for Wang here. A double, a sacrifice, a wild pitch, a walk, an infield single on a ball A-Rod should have let Pena handle and now an RBI single. 2-1 Rangers.
UPDATE, 1:57 p.m.: Yankee Stadium is pretty ridiculous. Damon just hit a ball that he bailed out on. It flew to the wall in right field. Cruz made a leaping catch, avoiding the glove of the fan who leaned his upper body over the fence. It’s bad enough that there are Pony League dimensions in right field, but the fans can freely interfere with play.
Come on! We’re making this guy look like a star. He can’t even hit 90 on the gun!! It’s Brandon McCarthy. Not friggin’ Brandon Webb!
Why isn’t a wild pich considered an error on the pitcher?
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I believe a runner must advance for it to be an error, but I could be wrong since I don’t think they give errors for a wild pitch on a 3rd strike that advances the runner to 1st.
Wang’s slider is better than I remembered
Green Beret:
Pena was charging the ball and would have had the angle on first base. Alex had to try and make a backhanded throw to second. The odds at first were much higher.
“Hey Brandon isn’t Cruz the guy you wanted the Yankees to trade for last year?”
Yup.
ugh…
“Yup.”
Good call man the dude can play
The answer to “The Smoker’s Unite Quiz” is Showalter and Martin.
jennifer
June 4th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
DT June 4th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
F’in Sterling…. what a call. It is high, It is far…. (confused silence) …it’s ummmm……
caught
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misery likes company. glad I am not the only one ready to thrown my radio onto 7th ave. Look out below.
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Haha. If I hear about radios flying through Manhattan I will know who is throwing them
The Texas lefties are just punching the ball to left.
The Red Sox don’t have to face either Verlander or Jackson and get to face Willis, who is a meltdown waiting to happen. Then the Tigers bring in the equally horrible Zach Miner.
Then Cabrera mysteriously leaves the game for the Tigers, making it virtually impossible for the Tigers to make a comeback.
Talk about leading the charmed life.
DT: I have full confidence in your both your joke and truth telling. Don’t stop.
Wang needs to throw his slider more. A pitcher is not hard to hit when you are looking for 1 pitch every time up. You need to be too perfect as a pitcher to not get smacked around with 1 pitch.
here we go with the lefties seeing that sinker second time through the order.
“I believe a runner must advance for it to be an error, but I could be wrong since I don’t think they give errors for a wild pitch on a 3rd strike that advances the runner to 1st.”
Thanks. But a runner scored on this WP. That’s an advance.
Are passed balls errors?
These ground balls are finding holes. Eff.
tom,
koko taylor actually died yesterday.
guess who’s back. back again. wang is back. call the ‘pen.
um…wheels falling off wagon?
Oh No
is this another “weird” inning for wang?
Now THAT was a bad pitch.
oh boy
Well this is becoming a disaster…
I don’t understand why Alex doesn’t guard the line
Sigh…
peter a little premature on Wang is back routine!!!!
yech
whos gonna come in..aceves?
First Red Sox get Toronto but no Holladay. Then they get Detroit with no Verlander. What can you say? Better to be lucky than good.
Ok, this is a bad inning for Wang.
Like I said earlier, Wang is falling apart!!!!!!!!!!!
Wanger getting beat up the 2nd time through their lineup, going to need some offense this game to get the series win
At least when hughes gives up 4 runs in 4 innings we can chalk it up to a “learning experience”
wang might be done as a starter if he keeps giving up a run per inning.
Hughes truthers are back in force.
sorry 4 runs in 3 innings so far.
Vintage Wang… hmmm … maybe not.
I would have to say Wang against the Sox will be a disaster. When Davis goes 2 for 2 with 2 doubles you know your pitches are awful.
Hmm maybe bringing Wang back in the team against Texas was a HORRIBLE idea seeing as how Phil has owned these guys.
let the excuses begin.
This just sucks, maybe Wang can regroup and get through 5
the non-ace ace!!!
“I don’t understand why Alex doesn’t guard the line”
Why would you guard the line vs a LHB and leave the SS hole open ?
This is the recipe vs Wang, LHBs go the other way and wait for him to hang one or two.
He’s a mess right now.
Need to throw secondary pitches. Texas is sitting on sinker, sinker, sinker.
boy, tough to blame arod and cervelli for these runs. who else can we peg here? certainly not the increasingly hittable chien-ming wang.
at what point does he stop getting the benefit of the doubt? if he gives up eight more today can we say, “oh, maybe he’s not back” and not get killed for it?
Somehow I don’t think this game is ending 4-1
“Somehow I don’t think this game is ending 4-1 ”
10-1?
Wang has always been a headcase so when things start to go bad, then they really spiral out of control. The runs come in bunches.
Wang gave us 2 innings of good pitching. Exactly what we have been using him for the last 2 weeks. Why the Yanks thought he could re-enter the rotation and suddenly go 6 innings was just dumb?
Too much outside… gotta pitch in more!
“let the excuses begin.”
let impatience take over.
yankee starters have allowed 4 earned runs or less in 22 of the 25 games prior to today’s game.
welcome back, chien ming wang.
get the bullpen ready for Wang against the Sux… i sense a 17-1 game
Offense needs to pick it up here
Maybe Wang should be in the bullpen lol You can’t go around the lineup 2 or 3 times with 1 inconsistent bad pitch. Now we know why Cash didn’t give him a long term contract. It was smart.
At least Wang is lowering his ERA.
the novelty wore off
Hey, one run per inning is still lowering his ERA.
It’s a process.
Perhaps Wang is having some fatigue?
Good job by him getting through the inning, though.
Wang at 59 pitches
For the life of me, why do some supposed “fans” root against Yankee players? It makes no sense to me.
You must have a sad life when you take pleasure in the problems of other people. Good karma there. Hopefully it comes back to get you.
It’s funny how all the idiots come out of the woodwork after a bad inning. It’s like a pack of wolves smelling blood.
Wang in Fenway? Not even worth watching that scheisse-fest.
Gotta get him out of there. He’s a disaster. You’re essentially forfeiting the game by keeping him in there.
“Then Cabrera mysteriously leaves the game for the Tigers, making it virtually impossible for the Tigers to make a comeback.”
Miguel Cabrera left the game with a bad hamstring.
“For the life of me, why do some supposed “fans” root against Yankee players? It makes no sense to me.
You must have a sad life when you take pleasure in the problems of other people. Good karma there. Hopefully it comes back to get you.”
Amen, Pete.
i asked earlier and i’ll ask again, in a division this tight, can the yankees really afford to let joba take his lumps and let chien-ming wang deflate his confidence and the teams by proving himself as entirely too pedestrian right now?
at some point, losing the little battles doesn’t add up to winning the war. he should not pitch in boston. he should be pitching in scranton.
Aceves warming…
Deja vu!
If you’re a Yankee fan you should be rooting for Wang to succeed.
Bottom line.
where’s the offense?
kasey, you can say whatever you want (as long as you stay positive).
Mark Teixeira is a facial contortionist.
children relax.. if he pitches 6 innings and gives up 4 runs it is not terrible..
relax fools….the guy has a 700 winning % , take a chill pill………..
Does CMW pitch the 5th? Or do they push their luck?
The good news…. Wang’s ERA continues to go down.
And A-Rod can’t move the runner.
STOP BOOING AROD
the anti-clutch!!!!!!
Peter, when Phil Hughes seems to have success against Texas then why do you supplant that and put in Wang who has been bounced around mentally the last few weeks not knowing what his role has been?? The Yanks were setting this up for failure! Not only does this hurt Wangs mindset, but it also hurts Hughes too!!
Patrick
June 4th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
“Somehow I don’t think this game is ending 4-1 ”
10-1?
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Ugh. I am OPPC. How about 5-4?
a-rod is awesome.
“It’s a process.”
Is this your new catchphrase or are you Brian Cashman?
The fans booing A-rod are a joke.
Cmon Pete, karma? Really dude?
Oh Pete, I love you for saying that.
http://www.rollingstone.com/ro.....ead-at-80/
If you never heard Koko Taylor, now’s a perfect time to figure out what you missed.
Kasey,
When is Joba taking lumps. He has a 3.7 ERA. He is our 2nd best pitcher.
Carl
June 4th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
I don’t understand why Alex doesn’t guard the line
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That’s the smart move. Play on the line in the 4th inning against a guy that’s not a pull hitter.
Nobody is rooting against him. but if he’s stinking up the joint we can say something. Which he is. Maybe not as bad as before but he hasn’t been good today, just like Pettite wasn’t yesterday, end of!
I don’t care how bad Wang is pitching.
The Yanks need to score some runs off this guy. Period.
Why do you think Eiland has always said that Wang needs to be a smarter pitcher? When something goes wrong he doesn’t make adjustments and change things up. He throws the same pitch in the same location and when that doesn’t work he just folds on the mound.
“You must have a sad life when you take pleasure in the problems of other people.”
I’ll keep that in mind for the next A-Rod post.
“he should not pitch in boston. he should be pitching in scranton.”
You can blame the panic move that brought him up for that.
Now that he’s here they have to give him a shot, or risk losing all the rehab he did in the minors.
I’m listening on line at work so I can only hear and not see. I certainly don’t like what I’m hearing and don’t want Pete to think I’m being negative so can someone tell me if Wang looks as bad as he sounds right now.
Come off the ledge. This game isnt as bad as some of us are making it seem. If he can pitch a scoreless 5th I think he did fine. Is it a good game? No. But it’s light years ahead of what he did to start the season. Plus, he hasnt started a game in a couple of weeks.
The most important thing is that his sinker was sinking for the most part and his velocity is back. Another start or two and he’ll be the old Wang.
Kasey from your mouth to Cashman’s ears. We love Wang but he’s not built up the arm yet!!
hey look, we moved the runner over!
So, I think CMW is definitely doing better than earlier in the year. But he’s not “there” yet.
What’s with ARod?
Now, I read in Cano’s splits that he hits well in day games. Let’s see. Nope, not this time.
I think it is about time to split up Arod and Cano.
I would insert Posada between the two. They are not getting it done the last few days and we need a bit of an offensive jumpstart.
I think that it is a fair question about not going with Hughes against Texas after he dominated them in Texas recently.
vb03 (Gehrig to Gardner: Memoirs of a Utility IF)
June 4th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
“Bases loaded (BA/OBP/SLG/OPS):
Jeter: .363/.417/.451/.868
A-Rod: .339/.395/.695/1.090
Not much difference there. Jeter is phenomenal but A-Rod is not far behind.”
Sorry i’m late to reply. I’m actually surprised A-rod’s numbers are that good with the bases loaded. Not that i don’t think he’s a great player, it just always looks like he’s trying to do too much. He seems to comfortable with less men on base. Again, thats just my perception from watching, not based off of stats. But his numbers definitely look great. I should have looked up the stats myself!
And Mr. November, you are also right. The entire team choked last night and the only one to get booed was A-rod. I think he puts as much pressure on himself as the fans do. I guess it all really comes down to the fact that he is the one making 30 million dollars a year now so he is expected to do that much more.
The Yanks have had their chance to score some runs but they have blown it so far, similar to last night.
“i like the yankees. i like pitchers who give the yankees the best chance to win.
today, that pitcher would have been phil hughes.”
Do you ever look past the “now”? You think that baseball would suddenly disband after a month or two and the Yankees should screw up a long-term starter just to win a game in early June.
i’m not sure who’s rooting against anybody. everyone wants the yankees to win. if you’re allowed to go nuts in the updates when wang is pitching well, we’re allowed to be frustrated here when he starts getting lit up like a christmas tree, especially given what a groove our rotation (and bullpen, thanks to the rotation’s consistency) have been in. it’s nothing personal to wang, but we’re allowed to be frustrated, especailly when you’re throwing a party after wang’s first inning.
stop the presses Matsui used a 3-1 count to his advantage.
Melky in the clutch- I feel it coming
melky didn’t swing at the first pitch!!!!!!!!!
can we get one up into the wind tunnel???
edit, that should say “seems more comfortable with”
What ever happened to getting an edit function?????
BTW, today CC would have started, not Hughes.
yankee bats hit the snooze button.
I’ve been busy these past few games!
With good reason!!!
Yankee fans are an embarrassment to humanity.
Actually, I’m more disappointed in the offense today (or lack thereof) than in CMW’s performance, which hasn’t been awful. Not great. Not awful.
Dang Pete really hates A-rod.
Melky looks terrible since coming back from the DL…Swinging at all garbage..The offense is totally slumping right now. It has nothing to do with the Texas pitching, they are just swinging at such bad pitches.
typical yankees lead off double no runs.
i don’t know what the answer is but i did lot like the fact that hughes got pulled from the rotation.
i understand all involved & wang might turn it around in addition to hughes having setbacks but the team had a good feeling to it that i didn’t wan’t disrupted.
just a bad feeling that’s all.
if wang can’t find it soon i have no problem with him staying in the pen for good.
i know things caqn change quickly but i was not that nervous with hughes starting & the experience he was getting was priceless.
1. People are not rooting for Wang to fail. But they are frustrated with the results. And thats fair to be.
2. Girardi must take som heat as well. I think it wuould have been much better had Wang pitched 2-3 games more in scranton rather than been in the Yankees Bullpen.
3. Arod must start to drive in some runs. He is killing the team as of late.
4. This games is almost over…
“when he starts getting lit up like a christmas tree”
We’re seeing the old sinker, and three of the hits, including a couple doubles, were of the groundball variety.
It’s a process.
He made bad pitches to Davis and that damaging wild pitch.
“You must have a sad life when you take pleasure in the problems of other people.”
Schadenfreude. Some people don’t know any other way.
vb03, I like Wang don’t get me wrong I do but we can’t ignore that the recipe is out vs him. LHBs just wait on the sinker drive it the other way, until he hangs one the 2nd or 3rd time around. I don’t view him as a longterm guy in this rotation, I haven’t for a few yrs. now.
chambliss
June 4th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
I think that it is a fair question about not going with Hughes against Texas after he dominated them in Texas recently
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Agreed but it wasn’t his turn it was CC’s right? Hughes would have been on 3 days rest no?
Where’s the plate discipline with these goofs?
Arod swings at the first pitch, grounds to short with a runner on 2nd?
In college I would’ve been benched.
I can’t stand Arod.
The secondary pitches need to improve, the sinker is there, but the secondary pitches are still out of whack.
Almost time to yank Wang
This is Wang’s first start back. If he gets lit up by Boston and then the Mets I would say there is cause for concern, but until then give him some time.
Worse than Wang reverting back to April form, would be Cano and Cabrera reverting to 2008 form.
2 away!
So Andy stinks up the joint last night and the bats fell asleep and it’s Andy’s fault and today Wang is stinking up the joint and the bats are asleep and it’s everyone else fault. Good logic.
“vb03, I like Wang don’t get me wrong I do but we can’t ignore that the recipe is out vs him. LHBs just wait on the sinker drive it the other way, until he hangs one the 2nd or 3rd time around. I don’t view him as a longterm guy in this rotation, I haven’t for a few yrs. now.”
So 54-20 in the last four years is a fluke?
He’s getting hit because his secondary pitches aren’t sharp. If hitters sit on one pitch no matter how good it is, it’ll get hit.
“Wang has always been a headcase so when things start to go bad, then they really spiral out of control”
terry from nh-
since live free or die is your state motto, i have a suggestion for you and it’s not about freedon
headcase?
where do people get this stuff?
“I think that it is a fair question about not going with Hughes against Texas after he dominated them in Texas recently.”
Hughes was originally scheduled to pitch tomorrow against Tampa.
Pete is OPPC material. We just need him to come out of the closet.
Cervelli’s having a tough time corralling some of these pitches.
listen, i love wang personally, and i know what his potential is, and i think the yankees mishandled him. but the bottom line is that this team hasn’t lost two games in a row since may 7. that = groove. there is little reason to disrupt that, especially given how well hughes has pitched vs texas, just to try to reach wang’s potential. they should have never activated wang, let him keep starting in the minors, and then found a softer landing spot for him than texas and boston. the good relief outings showed he could pitch 3 good innings. we got two today. i don’t blame wang, i blame management. but that doesn’t make it any less frustrating.
“This is Wang’s first start back. If he gets lit up by Boston and then the Mets I would say there is cause for concern, but until then give him some time.”
Agreed.
Yikes!
Cruz
5-1
This sucks
Bad pitch, bottom line. Cruz is a beast.
Regarding the A-Rod booing:
IMHO, while A-Rod gets paid to drive in runs, he still needs to make productive outs. The fact that his outs have not been productive (He hasn’t moved runners along in the last few games) is what is frustrating the fans and leading to the boos.
Booing players removes the joy from the game for the player constantly being booed.
Fans enjoy watching guys who are having fun, right? Isn’t that why the fans have loved Swisher, Damon? Why would fans want to make things LESS enjoyable?
Still scratching my head over “can the yankees really afford to let joba take his lumps…?”
Can they afford not to?
It’s awful and deplorable that Wang has not been perfect in this game, but he’s pitched up to the (recent) level of Burnett, Pettitte, and Hughes (well, maybe before that homer).
Since they brought him up prematurely and couldn’t send him back down, Wang has to start if you want him to be a starter. So he’s starting. Maybe this move will pay some dividends down the line?
Ugh…please just get to the 7th.
Arod, Melky are slumping, Posade and Jeter on the Bench with Cervelli and Pena playing. Thats almost halft the lineup that seems to use rope rather than wood in their hands.
oh hey, wang gives up another 2 out run.
Bad pitch.
Just a bad pitch.
Cruz is a HOT hitter now, and becoming a very good hitter. He doesn’t miss mistakes against NYY.
sorry how consistent hughes has pitched in general, not vs. texas, as he wasn’t starting today. even CC for a series win today and wang tomorrow would have been better. but CC today and hughes tomorrow is probably best, because that is what was working. don’t fix what ain’t broken.
Here you go, Boston, go ahead and have first place.
We’re satisfied with having it for two weeks.
Have a great rest of the season!
People have forgotten that Wang was rotting in the bullpen for 2+ weeks. You can’t expect him to be that fresh.
davey johnson has apparently seen enough from wang
Its a big improvement!!!
And they boo Wang.
well hopefully that’s the last time we’ll see chien ming wang inflate a team’s offensive numbers. What a loser!
throwing two games in a row its FANTASTIC
Wang has been fine for the most part. Stop blaming him.
How about our joke of an offense? Last night they lose 4-2 with plenty of chances to score, stranding 2 runners at 3rd with less than 2 outs that are the difference in the game. Today, they had 1st and 2nd, no outs in the first after Damon’s HR and scored NOTHING, and have not scored SINCE, despite a LEADOFF DOUBLE last inning in which A-Rod DOES NOT ADVANCE THE RUNNER.
This team does not do the simple things, and loses because of it. Runners at 3rd, less than 2 outs, you HAVE TO SCORE, and leadoff double, they don’t even advance him, not that it would matter because they would probably strand him anyway. You HAVE to score these runs to chip away.
The Yankees are not losing any games in this recent stretch because of pitching. They are only losing when the offense decides to take the day(s) off. The sunday loss in Cleveland was because Posada GIDP with a runner at 3rd, 1 out. Again, they don’t get it done on offense, which puts enormous pressure on the pitching and of course, if you score 1-2 runs you will lose almost every game in the AL.
Wang gave up 5 runs and still lowered his ERA by 1.5 points. Yikes.
Nelson Cruz has killed us.
does this start even accomplish anything for wang…if his pitch count was 80 today and he only threw 69, will he be able to throw 100 next time? prbly not
this isn’t little league. players aren’t playing for “joy”. they’re paying for money. although i don’t really like booing players, it’s a fans right to do so. nobody got booed more than reggie jackson and it didn’t bother him too much in the clutch.
Really wanted to see CMW get through 5. Hopefully he’s better against Beckett in Boston.
Wang’s made bad pitches today and paid for all of them.
Not a good outing by any stretch of the imagination. Personally I would have loved for him to have been able to work on secondary pitches in the minors, but clearly they can’t do that now.
His next start is also going to be at Fenway Park. As big of a Wang fan I am, I can’t see that going much better than this start.
They have to put him in situations where he can improve his confidence. A Fenway Park start won’t do that for you.
I’m not rooting against wang, but when you see a pitcher obviously struggling, why is it wrong to want him off the mound? I’d do the same for Wang, Hughes, Joba or anyone else. It’s pretty clear Wang isn’t 100% and he’s obviously struggling? Why is it wrong for me to say he should still be in AAA working out the kinks? Because after today, it’s pretty clear that he’s not “vintage”.
I know ill get killed, but that is a pretty good start for him. He hasnt started a game in almost 3 weeks. He has little arm strength. That is part of being strteched out. Huuuuuge improvement.
I know this won’t happen but they need to put Wang back in the bullpen. They were doing great without him and now it is another simi blow out. They can not pitch him with his 1 pitch. It is soo easy for teams to stay and look for the 1 bad pitch. Hughes needs to be in the rotation. Let Wang pitch in long relief.
There are no “soft” landing spots.
They had to get Wang back in there, the sooner the better.
“Wang has been fine for the most part. Stop blaming him.”
thats not true at all but i dont blame him too much because its his first start back…
Arod Booer
June 4th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Where’s the plate discipline with these goofs?
Arod swings at the first pitch, grounds to short with a runner on 2nd?
In college I would’ve been benched.
I can’t stand Arod.
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They used to bench you in Glee Club? You must have really stunk if the ITT school glee club benched you.
“They are only losing when the offense decides to take the day(s) off.”
You think they aren’t trying? LOL.
Haha Beckett v Wang. Please, please please Wang shove my pessimism down my throat that day.
Wang has always had a fragile tempermant on the mound Randy. And no- it’s not about freed(on)!
Coach6423
June 4th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
I know ill get killed, but that is a pretty good start for him. He hasnt started a game in almost 3 weeks. He has little arm strength. That is part of being strteched out. Huuuuuge improvement.
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If they kill you, they’ll have to take me out too cause I agree. They are only down by 4. Not 40. If the offense stops sputtering they can get right back in this game.
Cervelli…what was that?!?
you pleased now Pete…he’s at least “stretching himself out”
“So 54-20 in the last four years is a fluke?
He’s getting hit because his secondary pitches aren’t sharp. If hitters sit on one pitch no matter how good it is, it’ll get hit.”
I know his record.
They were pretty much using the diagram, Oneill even said it, he needs another pitch..how long you hear this ? he to me, to me (right now) is more of a short or long reliever. He seems to work better in that role, he’ll have a few good and bad starts but w/ the talent coming up in this roster in the future, I don’t see Wang longterm.
Cervelli throws one away.
“Why is it wrong for me to say he should still be in AAA working out the kinks?”
Because he can’t be sent down. If he could, they already would have asked him to work more there.
yeah…
Wang threw 42 pitches Sunday, it’s now Thursday. How is that “rotting in the pen”.
I’m gonna throw a shoe at the TV on the next weak-ass slow roller by someone trying to pull and outside pitch… Alex, Robby and Melky just horrioble last inning.
Wish I had copies of threads from last year before the Nady trade when I was shot down for suggesting Nelson Cruz (then in Triple-A) as a possible get. Classic 4-A player I was told….. NOT
we need wang to pitch well wether it is starting or in the pen.
there is no way around it.
they gambled & got burned.
now we are in a tough spot.
what now?
All these booing fans are total idots, whether it is Arod, Wang, or whomever. I just don’t get it. How do they think that helps anything? Must be a northern thing to try to beat people down. Just plain rude.
Aceves does not have it today…
I’m with you, Coach.
i don’t blame girardi for pulling wang. at 5-1 the game is still competitive. you can’t let him stay in there and give up 3 or 4 more. 80 pitches was a goal, not a promise.
Love the unabashed criticism of Alex yet the excuses for Wang. Can’t have it both ways Pete.
excellent managament by the yankees. that’s why they get the big bucks. announce he needs another start in the minors, have a need, announce he’s in the pen, pettitte’s back hurts, he starts anyway instead of wang, then wang starts on a day CC would have, and now we lose 2 in a row for the first time in a month. while 2 in a row is no big deal by any stretch of the imagination, the point is that we were playing so well we never lost 2 in a row. there was no reason to mess this up. the yankees just blasted it.
IMO, this is almost a spring training start for Wang against hitters who are in mid-season form (and some damn good hitters at that). Win or lose they have to let Wang get back into starting shape. Evaluate fairly.
Wang is atrocious – the team needs to figure out how to win with or without him. Give Wang a few more starts and if he isn’t contributing you need to think of shutting him down for a bit.
cmon aceves
Of course Cervelli can be sent down. The Yanks concluded that was the better player of him and Cash and that’s why he’s backing up Jorge until Molina is ready
Pete,
I think Wang’s problems are due to inactivity. His sinker was down until the 4th which is a good sign. He needs to get his velocity back up.
I also think the offense hasn’t done him any favors today. They let McCarthy of the hook in two innings. We are struggling with men in scoring position again.
Ugly first two batters for Aceves but he gets it done.
Yeah well there’s the Wang some were clamoring to have back, I’m sure the Sox will be licking their chops for him in Fenway Park in his next go round, should be even prettier.
Already the excuses are being made about he was in the pen too long. please he pitched on Sunday, was barking about being a starter, got his chance and I for one will not cut him slack, put up or shut up I say.
This isn’t a wet nursery for Wang’s issues.
Whatever compelled the Yanks to force Wang back into the rotation, be it short-sightedness or just plain hubris, I hope was transitory.
86w183
June 4th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
I’m gonna throw a shoe at the TV on the next weak-ass slow roller by someone trying to pull and outside pitch… Alex, Robby and Melky just horrioble last inning.
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Screw making a comeback, I hope you break your TV
“I know his record.
They were pretty much using the diagram, Oneill even said it, he needs another pitch..how long you hear this ? he to me, to me (right now) is more of a short or long reliever. He seems to work better in that role, he’ll have a few good and bad starts but w/ the talent coming up in this roster in the future, I don’t see Wang longterm.”
I agree that he needs secondary pitches. When he was successful, the slider and even a minor change kept the hitters off his sinker. He doesn’t have that yet, he has no control over the secondary stuff.
If he solidifies the slider and change he’ll be back to where he was. It won’t come from one start after a month’s layoff.
PETE– Why were they smelling the ball in the Rangers bullpen after that last HR off Wang?
We need more than 1 run in 5 IP against Brandon McCarthy but that does not mean Wang’s 9+ ERA today is ok.
I was encouraged early on but he seems to still be “finding” it. He hasn’t “got it back” yet.
Tough spot for Girardi to decide what to do next. Do you start Wang in Boston next week? After what I saw today, I don’t think I would.
considering how long wang has just sat and rotted away, and only pitched 2-3 innings every 5-7 days, he did pretty well in my opinion.
UPDATE, 2:24 p.m.: That home run by Cruz knocks Wang out of the game. After two perfect innings, his final 2.2 innings were ugly: 7 hits, 5 runs. He needed a good effort and didn’t produce it.
I agree with you Pete. Your DN pal Mark on the radio felt otherwise. “The Yankees have to be pleased with this outing overall” – Talk some sense into him.
This would not be over by any stretch if our OFFENSE decided to show up for once.
How about we stop freaking about Wang and realize that our offense has THREE hits, TWO of which came in the first inning, when the had 1st and 2nd, no outs, and couldn’t tack on any runs, allowing McCarthy to dominate them since.
You have to pick up your pitching once in a while. Wang wasn’t great, but he wasn’t as bad as the line would show either. However, they are losing this game if they do because they aren’t hitting against a medicore pitcher, not because Wang gave up some runs.
At home, in a hitter’s park, with the majority of your lineup on the field, you can’t score 1 run. 1 run is not enough to win any American League game. Even if Wang went 6 IP 2 ER he still loses if the offense keeps going as it is.
the yankees should sign tom glavine and pedro martinez since it seems they only value a player’s past and not how they are currently pitching. wang deserves to be in the rotation just as much as glavine deserved to be in the braves’ rotation. the braves actually made the right choice though in going with younger, more reliable arms. it would be nice if the yankees used that philosophy once in awhile. it would decrease injuries and maximize the team’s performance.
i’m just annoyed because hughes and wang are making similar salaries, so it’s not like they’re stuck with him in the rotation like pettitte and burnett. nice to know that the torre element of the present being irrelevant and the past being entirely relevant is still strong in the bronx.
What a boring game, flat and dull like the Yankees play. Did they all of a sudden forget how to play crisply, oh yeah, bad pitching and poor offense does that.
so 5 runs in 4 and 2/3 is acceptable now
Ok I will remember that
They haven’t lost yet sjufan.
Take it easy.
cervelli apologizes for throwing a two-seamer into right center
Today’s game doesn’t change my opinion about Wang. He’s been a great starter for us and I’m glad he’s back in the rotation. He’ll work out the kinks and get back to doing what he does best. If it takes a few games, then so be it.
“Must be a northern thing to try to beat people down. Just plain rude.”
Are you serious? I just love these stereotypes.
Plain and simple Wang’s only pitch is not good enough right now to be his only pitch. Any decent lineup is going to smack him around. The sinker is crap right now, they can’t pitch him. Asking him to be perfect on all 100 pitches is not going to happen and that is what he would need right now.
Yay Baby Bombers!
lets see if we find a way not to score
Bottom of the lineup shows up. The automatic outs, as I recall.
No, 5 runs in 4 2/3 isn’t great, but Wang was probably fatigued and i can understand why.
the yankees really mishandled the guy
“I’m gonna throw a shoe at the TV on the next weak-ass slow roller by someone trying to pull and outside pitch… Alex, Robby and Melky just horrioble last inning.”
This team was using all parts of the park when they were winning all of a sudden they are pulling off everything. All of them are beginning to look like Matsui when it comes to pulling. Arod’s front hip is flying open more than a dancer on Dancing with the Stars, someone should tell him there is other parts of the park to hit a baseball besides pulling it.
we have to run him out again for his next start.
With the given lineup today, who would you most want up with bases loaded, no outs?
Here it is. 1st and 2nd, no outs. They have to score at LEAST 1, probably 2 to get back in the game.
Unless this offense starts getting it going against McCarthy, it’s more on them than Wang.
“The sinker is crap right now, they can’t pitch him.”
Have you been watching the game? He got a big bunch of groundball outs and singles on sinkers DOWN punched the other way by lefties. The sinker was the only thing working for him.
PETE YOU’RE A DUMB ASS….WANG SHOULD BE A RELIEVER ONLY THIS YEAR…IT HAPPENS SOMETIMES PEOPLE HAVE OFF YEARS BUT WANG SHOULD WORK THROUGH HIS INJURY IN RELIEF THIS YEAR OR EITHER STAY IN THE MINORS WORK UP ARM STRENGTH AND COME BACK BEFORE SEPT 1 FOR RELIEF.
PETE YOU’RE AN IDIOT
bases loaded.
time to score NO runs
Big AB here by Damon…
Nice!
2 runs at the minimum here! Lets go Yanks!!
Bases loaded. Hopefully the offense bails out Wang.
# Mike Mineo June 4th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
the yankees should sign tom glavine and pedro martinez since it seems they only value a player’s past and not how they are currently pitching. wang deserves to be in the rotation just as much as glavine deserved to be in the braves’ rotation. the braves actually made the right choice though in going with younger, more reliable arms. it would be nice if the yankees used that philosophy once in awhile. it would decrease injuries and maximize the team’s performance.
i’m just annoyed because hughes and wang are making similar salaries, so it’s not like they’re stuck with him in the rotation like pettitte and burnett. nice to know that the torre element of the present being irrelevant and the past being entirely relevant is still strong in the bronx.
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For real….you are comparing a 42 yr old coming off major elbow surgery, who pitched to the tune of a 5 ERA in the NL last year, to Wang.
Can I have what you are drinking?
terry from nh-
fragile temperament?
nothing is more annoying than listening to some weenie who has never stepped between the lines say a guy who has won more games than anyone in baseball over two year period until he got hurt is fragile.
are you giving me a spelling lesson? since you’re so into spelling it’s “temperament”.
did i spell “weenie” right
Cmon Swish..
“considering how long wang has just sat and rotted away, and only pitched 2-3 innings every 5-7 days, he did pretty well in my opinion.”
I agree. His earlier starts looked like someone who should be pitching in a beer league. He pitched well today before he lost it. His velocity was there but started to get his pitches up. Maybe fatigue. Now it’s time for the bats to come alive. This is still a winnable game.
Oh well, Wang was completely awful and terrible, I’m turning off the TV, this game is ovaaaaaah.
Can we swing at strikes please…..
“OR EITHER STAY IN THE MINORS WORK UP ARM STRENGTH AND COME BACK BEFORE SEPT 1 FOR RELIEF”
How long will it be before people get into their head that WANG CANT BE SENT TO THE MINORS.
SEE HOW ANNOYING ALL CAPS IS?
>Must be a northern thing to try to beat people down.
Where do blanket generalizations come from?
Swish, just strike out. No DP please.
Swish hasn’t gone yard in awhile…
Isn’t this the last year of Molina’s contract?
We really need another thread just for sensible, non-moronic posters.
Anyone who would be “pleased overall” w/Wang’s start today should be living under a rock in Bikini Bottom (and his name should be Patrick Star).
“We really need another thread just for sensible, non-moronic posters.”
Works for me.
“>Must be a northern thing to try to beat people down.
Where do blanket generalizations come from?
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The South, apparently. LOL
Benny Blanco
June 4th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Good luck wang!
And dont become cry babies if he gives up a run..
I got him down for 5IP, 7 hits 3runs 2k’s
damn.ok so he pitches..4.2 7 hits 5 runs , 5′ks
This is the whole game right here. If they can score a few here they’re right back in it, but if they fail to it’s probably over.
This is the whole game right here. If they can score a few here they’re right back in it, but if they fail to it’s probably over.
Don’t let the X button hit you on the way out, Kaseya. I hope the rest of you haters go away, too.
Peter doesn’t like to criticize Wang out of fear that his Wang book will lose money in overseas bookstores.
Jones
June 4th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Isn’t this the last year of Molina’s contract?
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Yes, it is
A bloop and a blast and we’re back in….
Put those rally caps on!
Wow great AB Swish
Bases loaded walk.
great AB Swish
still bases juiced for damon!
The Riddler is back from hiding!
“Stultus Magnus continues his idiocy.”
That’s big idiot to you.
Whoever thinks Wang was awful needs to get a reality check. His arm strength is not there yet and that was evident with the difference in his first 3 innings and the last 2. He is still a work in progress and will improve. The media (Pete included) will always look for the negatives because that’s what sells. But as fans we have to support our guys.
Great discipline there by Swisher.
now a base hit
Nice job, Swish. We have to get at least two more runs here.
Come on Tex!!! The hottest hitter has to get it done here. Otherwise strike out rod is up.
swisher likes the 2-hole
COME ON TEX
Yay!!!!!!!!!
Woooo!
Tex comes through!!!
3 run double!!!!!!
Game tied at 5.
YES TEX
Teixeira!!
TEX!!!
WOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TEX!!!!!!
Tex
Tex is the man.
Oh i love them so much.
Lucky hit for Mark. But it’s still a hit.
WOOHOO!!!! Wow, its a good thing we didn’t panic or turn the game off or anything!
Woo Hoo!
What a nice hit lol
TEIXEIRA ALLEVIATES THE DEATH SITUATION FROM A-ROD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don’t call it a comeback!
Thank You
Aroxeria !
Teixeira is a god!
TEX!!!
Offense bails out Wang. Thanks Tex!
Those of you that had given up on the game, Stay Away!!!
too little too late Ron!
MARKY MARK!!!! not trying to do too much…LOL
They thought wang could give em 80 pitches. They let him get to 69. Fair enough. Hopefully he can take the positive from his FIRST 2 innings into his next start. The stats looked ugly, but he got the work in. That’s what’s most important.
Tex is clutch-a-licious!
If A-Rod hit that it would have been a DP.
How stupid do you bridge jumpers feel now?
Now can the #4 hitter do something in this at bat besides a strike out or DP? Hopefully….
Can we take this as a sign that I am good luck????
Borrowed a friend’s laptop since I’m having data transferred from my old to new. Only because he told me we were in the middle of a game did I know! I thought it was tonight.
Be back. Looks like battery is low and I have to plug in the power cord.
Tex 3 RBI from 50?! Best Yankee signing since??? (Jimmy Key, maybe?)
That’s what you do go the opposite way, not every ball has to be pulled, nice job by Tex, he was in the game last night we more than likely would have won.
And Wang is off the hook.
I was going to post earlier, what is the point of getting fired up the other night if they were going to simply burn out in the next two games. Teixeira is even better than I had hoped he’d be. I wanted him on this team since 2 years ago.
cano hit it in the same spot last time and even harder and he gets thrown out
just shows his bad luck
igotid88
“Lucky hit for Mark. But it’s still a hit.”
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You ought to be a reporter…..
more importantly – Tex saves Mr Kate Hudson from striking out with RISP and the yankees needing a clutch hit
That Teix squibber turned into a 3 run double! Tie game!
No way A-Rod hits into a DP there, that would have scored a run.
Tex is a monster with A-Rod batting behind him. An absolute monster.
TEX!
Mark *you be da man* !!!
Our man did it. Tex hits one down left field line and three on base score. We are tied. TEX, TEX, TEX. !!
Difference between yesterday and today = Teixera
Erica – newly OPPC
Isn’t this the last year of Molina’s contract?
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Yes, it is
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Thank you
ok – I work in two different locations and whenever I “watch” a game from the first the Yankee are losing….when I leave the offense kicks in (for those of you who remember my post from Monday’s game…).
I left the other office in the bottom of the 4th
I may never work at that other office during a game again
baseball is a marathon not a sprint.
it aint over till its over.
They better tack on a few… I wouldn’t want any part of Wilson/Francisco at the end of the game.
“Tex 3 RBI from 50?! Best Yankee signing since??? (Jimmy Key, maybe?)”
Oh Yeah, guy is awesome. Was only a matter of time before the Yanks scored. The team isn’t leading the majors in runs for no reason.
Pel
June 4th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
TEIXEIRA ALLEVIATES THE DEATH SITUATION FROM A-ROD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Arod was the reason he got that pitch. If you think that arod wont be in a bigspot for the rest of this year..your fooling yourself.
His name should be “the eminently hittable” Jason Jennings.
I still can’t believe those automatic outs at the btm. of the lineup found a way to get on
they always change the pitcher when A-Rod comes up.
Some people gave up on the game, not all of us. Most of us gave up on Wang and i’m glad he’s out of there now it’s a 5-5 game. Ace gives the Yanks more of a chance to win this game right now.
“Oh well, Wang was completely awful and terrible, I’m turning off the TV, this game is ovaaaaaah.”
Nick – you trying reverse psychology or were you punked?
we aint giving up 1st without a fight.
How’s that two game losing streak working out sjufan?
lol
swings & misses
June 4th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Difference between yesterday and today = Teixera
*****
Seriously. I vote no more days off for Tex this season
ARod!!!
A-Rod go ahead rbi haters
A-Rod hitting with RISP
awesome AROD
Stupid unclutch Arod!
A-Rod comes through!
A-Rod gives us the lead.
Now that was a freakin bullet!
There ya go!
And he gets cheers!
Thanks for putting us ahead arod.
ALEX!!! The comeback kids are at it again
About time you had a damn good AB !
Alex never comes through in the clutch.
THAT’s the way to swing ARod! WOOO!
See what happens Arod when you use the whole field. Instead of pulling for the HR. Good job.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Bridge jumpers crawl back into their holes.
Another Arod failure. Maybe he came back too soon from his hip problem. Or maybe the real UnClutch-Rod is back. Booooo.
Wait, what?
Nice…Does Arod remember what 1st base looks like??
Hey, A-Rod drove in a run. Will the fans stop booing him now? Probably not.
LOL@ all the people who gave up in the 4th inning. Game’s 9 innings long for a reason, idiots.
Tex is the best!!
Ace June 4th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
igotid88
“Lucky hit for Mark. But it’s still a hit.” –
You ought to be a reporter…..
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Thank You
It’s sad to see how much speed Arod has lost with his hip injury. Oh well, perhaps this could be the 19th comeback win of the year?
Yeah, Rachel, he ripped an RBI single last night after Pettitte put them in a hole…
Short memory?
Nick
I thought you were done with today’s game?
i like that this team has a ton of fight.
never count us out until the last out.
“they always change the pitcher when A-Rod comes up.”
it’s so he can get the tipped pitches
I guess it’s safe for a Yankee fan to come here again ???
“Seriously. I vote no more days off for Tex this season”
Agreed. He is critical to this lineup. He’s the best 180 million dollars that I (n)ever spent.
This is fun
Jennings getting lit up.
Good for Cano.
In-game sports blogs really do showcase the worse instincts human beings have to offer, don’t they?
I’m talking about fear, panic and pessimism of course.
See what happens when you don’t try to pull the ball….
So I guess Wang wasn’t ready…….Are the Yankees really going to send him out to pitch in Boston off of this outing?
Cervelli/Pena ALWAYS start our rallies…:)
Why is Cano hitting fifth?
Girardi’s an Idiot! Fire him!
Riddler,
Go back to living your life away from this blog. You weren’t missed.
So, wait, were you thinking since Wang gave up 5 runs, he should be banished? Or that he shouldn’t be given chances to improve? For someone who’s a two-time 19 game winner, I’d say give him a shot.
Tex really is a beast, he has been the MVP of the team since the beginning of May. Great fielding, amazing hitting
imagine if CC was starting today! gametime!
(this is just a joke. sort of.)
the baby bombers
vin
June 4th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
“Seriously. I vote no more days off for Tex this season”
Agreed. He is critical to this lineup. He’s the best 180 million dollars that I (n)ever spent.
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Hahaha, but indirectly you sure did spend it. With every ticket purchase, etc…
Bad baserunning by A-Rod.
Damn…
Damn…
Some not-so-good baserunning by the Yankees this series. “Sigh”
Good point by Sterling (amazingly)… this all started with the bottom of the order guys. When they were on their big winning streak, the bottom of the order was a force to be reckoned with.
yesterday’s game was a good sample on how life life w/o Tex would have been if he would have signed that dotted line w/ the Pink Sox, thank God he didn’t and that 5th Ave blows away Newberry St.
DT: I was using mockery, which I suppose had an element of reverse psychology to it. It was bases loaded none out when I made that post.
I was also mocking myself with the ‘ovaaaaaah’ — as a gesture of pure faith in Wang, I took the under-11.
At this moment it’s a push, but I’ll take more runs for the victory rather than sweat out four more innings with a 1-run lead.
That took the air right out of the rally.
We had three errors in three games and have been running the bases poorly. What gives?
Well there goes the rest of this inning. Base running has killed them yesterday and today..
Dang too bad Matsui just lined out, the Yanks could have dropped another bunch of runs this inning.
i kept saying just don’t make a double play this inning. Force Texas to get three hitters out. But, Alas!! It wasn’t meant to be. Not going to complain though. Glad to score some runs and take the lead.
Go Yanks!!!!
“Bad baserunning by A-Rod.”
The ball was smoked, how is it bad baserunning, bad pitching from Wang
wang has to go again for his next start.
can’t put him in the pen & forget about him now.
I guess Arod forgot how to run the bases. Since he hasn’t been on them for so long.
Sterling has so many freakin pauses. Just spit it out man!!
Lucky Andrus dropped the ball.
Anyone who gives up early with this team hasn’t been watching the games this season.. scoreboard watching isnt the same. This team fights back.. for the first time under Girardi, even when they’re losing it feels like they’re going to win.
Tex doesn’t get “credit” for this. That would be reserved for Cervelli and Pena. In the natural ebb and flow of a 162 game schedule, sometimes you need jumpstarts from the bench.
Can we all reserve our panic until the Yankees dare officially lose two games in a row for the 1st time in a month?
Typical A-Rod. Once someone else gets a big hit and takes the pressure off of him he comes through. I’ve never seen a star in baseball thrive so much when the pressure is off and wilt so badly under the spotlight.
In the realm of extremely unininteresting but I need to say it somewhere and it does concern baseball -
WAH!!! My Fantasy Team is terrible and last night I sat Jason Kubel because the fantasy advice is to sit Kubel when he’s facing a lefty. Well since I didn’t pay attention to today’s game times and didn’t bother changing my lineup, Kubel is still on the bench.
So far in today’s game he is 2 for 3, with 2 homers and 6 RBI. Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Wonder if we see Phil tonight… nah, doubt it.
Well, at least we got the lead. Can the BP hold it?
Do you think they’ll resign Molina after this season or you think he’s history?
Sorry for getting a little off topic
I think the Wang start was a positive. Even after rotting on the bench he almost gave them 5 innings. This is a guy who could barely record an out at the beginning of the year.
Oh yeah, and this isn’t the Nationals here. It is a Ranger team that has taken the American League by storm. So, all things considered, I think we should look at it as a positive.
Do Pete get paid directly by Wang or do you think Wang pays the journal news and then they funnel it to Pete?
so, can the pen keep it together for 4?
“The ball was smoked, how is it bad baserunning, bad pitching from Wang”
You have to check where the 2nd baseman is and whether he has a shot to nab the ball.
No need to take a cheap shot at Wang in the same breath, either. It’s really disappointing when Yankee fans actively root for their own players to fail.
I don’t think Melky has hit the ball in the air since he’s been back. My guess is he’s not feeling right. Or he’s just out of whack. Either way, sit him for a game. Actually, if they get rained out tomorrow maybe that will be helpful.
Up to the pen now. Get the ball to Mo!
What’s with Robi? Is he trying to develop that part of his game? I’ve seen him steal one base before this year and it was a gimme.
If he can be good at it, it’ll only help us.
I knew Tex would get the Yankees back in it,he’s the real deal.
Is Jeter hurt? They haven’t shown him on the bench once during this game. So I am thinking maybe he is in the trainers room?
“I’ve never seen a star in baseball thrive so much when the pressure is off and wilt so badly under the spotlight.”
Arod had the go ahead RBI that inning. That wasn’t a pressure situation??? Give him a break.
“I guess Arod forgot how to run the bases. Since he hasn’t been on them for so long.”
Rachel what do you suggest for him not to take a lead off at 2B ? Matsui smoked it to Kinsler who dove for it and then quickly snapped it to 2B for the out. A split second passed there.
Uh, you do realize he knocked in that run when the score was tied, right?
Sorry Nick… I didn’t pick up on the “ovahhh” – makes sense now.
Listening to Sterling on the radio screws up my blog senses. I’m discombobulated.
Forgot it was an afternooner … I’m more than happy to do some actual work instead of getting sucked into the vacuuous black hole of game thread mentality.
But for whatever its worth, Wang still deserves a couple starts. Shiii-hyit happens and he has been used erratically since his return. Too much good has come from him to dismiss in the matter of a few innings.
“Rachel what do you suggest for him not to take a lead off at 2B ? Matsui smoked it to Kinsler who dove for it”
He didn’t dive for it. It wasn’t far from him at all. It’s not like he went on an all out sideways dive or anything.
“Is Jeter hurt? They haven’t shown him on the bench once during this game. So I am thinking maybe he is in the trainers room?”
they have shown him..he was wearing a windbreaker
Gardner should pinch hit for Melky the next time up. He seems to love pinch hitting.
so has melky’s 15 minutes of greatness come to an end yet? thats like the 5th weak grounder in the last 3 games he’s hit – and thats NOT counting the weak infield hit he had last night..maybe its time to get ggbg in there so melky can get his edge back…
Question for some of the yankee minor league guru’s on this blog:
Who are the 3 yankee minor leaguer equivalent of the 3 players the braves traded for mcclouth?
Who is ganna pitch now?
“I have never seen a star get booed so much by his home fans”
No player in the history of sports has had this much pressure on him in clutch situations.
Anyone trying to spin this into a positive start by Wang is full-on delusional.
Based on this display Wang has no business in the rotation in the Boston series…
“He didn’t dive for it. It wasn’t far from him at all. It’s not like he went on an all out sideways dive or anything.”
He was on his knees for some reason, I caught a quick glimpse, you really fault that pick off play on Alex ? Yet you sit here and come up w/ excuse after excuse for Wang ?…
Nasty pitch right there. I like Aceves a lot.
easy come, easy go
tied game?
Great that lasted long…With 2 strikes…
“Forgot it was an afternooner … I’m more than happy to do some actual work instead of getting sucked into the vacuuous black hole of game thread mentality. ”
ANSKY, speaking of work… are you managing to stay busy? We’re in the same industry, and things are might slow here in our office.
“Who are the 3 yankee minor leaguer equivalent of the 3 players the braves traded for mcclouth?”
Jackson, Kontos and Robertson
Aaaand he gives it right back…
wow 6-6 in the 6th
Now it’s really ovaaaaaaah.
Oh well, now the Yanks can pile it on and cover the run line.
Crushed.
nathan
June 4th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Based on this display Wang has no business in the rotation in the Boston series
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FYI wang is 6-5 4.82 against boston
hughes is 0-1 6.75. Pick your poison.
Jones
June 4th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Do you think they’ll resign Molina after this season or you think he’s history?
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I don’t think so. I think they will groom Cervelli as a back up next season
“He was on his knees for some reason, I caught a quick glimpse, you really fault that pick off play on Alex ? Yet you sit here and come up w/ excuse after excuse for Wang ?…”
When someone is picked off on 2nd base on a lineout that doesn’t need to be dove after sideways, that’s the baserunner’s fault for not paying enough attention. It’s a mistake, it happens. He knocked in the go-ahead run, it was a big AB. But he still made the baserunning blunder.
As for Wang, he hasn’t made a start in a month and didn’t have control of his secondary pitches. Texas was sitting on a sinker all day. No one can survive five innings on one pitch. Once he gets his slider and change back, he can keep the hitters honest.
Terrible pitch. He could not have hung it any better. This is where the base running gets you again. Arod and Tex.
Someone complain Pena should have been taller.
Ugh ! El Nino almost had that.
Of course, right after I say that, solo shot. Call me jinxy.
here come the automatic outs.
# Benny Blanco June 4th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
FYI wang is 6-5 4.82 against boston
hughes is 0-1 6.75. Pick your poison.
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he also has an ERA of 15 this season, i still am confused with the call to start him today…
Pete you are exaggerating a bit wrt Wang. He didn’t pitch THAT badly. It’s his first start in awhile, not all that surprising that he gave up 5 runs.
9 more outs to get with this bullpen, hold your breaths lets go offense.
CC should of pitched today and wang yesterday, bad managament by cashman and girardi.
Mets just put Puttz in the 7th inning and he surrendered 2 more runs .. damn
UPDATE, 3:02 p.m.: You would think the Yankees are in last place given the tenor of the crowd here. They booed Wang off the mound. They booed A-Rod’s first two at-bats. They booed Aceves. Not a happy bunch for the day game. ======================
yankees fans are the worst. shame on all of them. That is dispicable.
auto out 1
How could they boo Aceves he’s been great. He’s due to have a bad outing and hasnt pitched since friday. And if he pitches another two or 3 innings and they win youll love him. He is very valuable in this role.
Yankees will win.
The boo birds are not true Yankee fans
well one auto out gets on base.
I haven’t checked the schedule but a poster on another board says that Wang is set up to pitch against Beckett and Santana in his next two outings. I did say “set up”, didn’t I?
Tex is a god – what a player. Yesterday, he would have had an out at 1st- Swish ran to the bag. He no doubt would have a run scoring hit also. I am so glad his wife preferred NY. Best infielder to come along since Jeter.
CC vs Tampa and Price is a good match up
This ump has been very inconsistent with his zone…for both teams.
thanks brandon – heres another question..
i would guess kontos and robertson are disposable pieces who can be easily replaced – so is mcclouth for jackson fair? i guess the real question is – can jackson be a 24 hr 90 rbi guy 20 sb’s 260 hitter with an average glove (like mcclouth is) – or is his ceiling higher?
Most of the boos are coming from the bleachers/upper deck. Where the so called “true fans” sit.
I’m not thrilled with CMW today but it was a huge improvement he didn’t pitch that bad if you watched the game.
Swisher looks HR ready…
If you’re still out there, kasey, and if what you said was accurate, I’m sorry that happened. But I don’t know what kind of ‘context’ there would be to make the kind of reference that you say you made. A couple of people on here have made that same type of reference about me and I don’t think it really has a place here. But they weren’t banned so… I don’t know. Hopefully you can work it out if you want to.
wow swish is up to 2.47
Is there anywhere other than gameday audio to listen the game on-line? I’m stuck.
Well that wasn’t bright with the middle of the lineup up…
Wang is still pitching to poorly, just a little less poorly than he did before.
For all the fake fans who booed ARod after his difficulties over the past 2 games….What was the Yanks record before he came back and what is it now?
Boy what a bunch of miserable sobs, you would think the Yankees haven’t been playing well that they were in last place by the way the crowd has been reacting. At least they are awake.
A very restless group of fans today at the game. I don’t think the suits in the 1st couple of rows care enough about the game to boo people.
TexisGOD-
1. DO you know BrettisGOD or MelkyisGod? If so, tell them to set up a meeting under the O’neill banner.
2. AJ may top off @ 20 HR, 90 RBIs. IMO. But he will have more SBs and a higher average with a better glove than McCouth(sp?).
Meanwhile- for those who know their 80s Yankee history. Is there any greater proof than this Dave Winfield Yankeeography that George is no longer in charge?
“Benny Blanco
June 4th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
UPDATE, 3:02 p.m.: You would think the Yankees are in last place given the tenor of the crowd here. They booed Wang off the mound. They booed A-Rod’s first two at-bats. They booed Aceves. Not a happy bunch for the day game. ==================
yankees fans are the worst. shame on all of them. That is dispicable.
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it’s the ‘instant gratification’ crowd, doesn’t make the fanbase look too educated to boo Aceves who has been great and has attacked the strike zone, so he gives up on bomb, it happens…it’s embarressing
“i would guess kontos and robertson are disposable pieces who can be easily replaced – so is mcclouth for jackson fair? i guess the real question is – can jackson be a 24 hr 90 rbi guy 20 sb’s 260 hitter with an average glove (like mcclouth is) – or is his ceiling higher?”
McClouth cost controlled and is MLB ready, hence why the value in return needs to be a high pos prospect or P, Jackson according to many has either Tori Hunter/Mike Cameron like skills, the power will hopefully come later, it took up to age 25 for Tori Hunter to find his power.
“A very restless group of fans today at the game. I don’t think the suits in the 1st couple of rows care enough about the game to boo people.”
Ugh, seriously.
I am INFURIATED! This team is horrible and they do nothing but let me down. They overcome a GREAT deficit and they BLOW IT! What a surprise!
And yeah I wanna say I told you so! I said yesterday “why the heck is wang pitching?” There is POOR Phil Hughes, DEMOTED into the bullpen. If he was starting, this game would NOT be like THIS!
And is it just me or is Melky cabrera just absolutely AWFUL! What are you swinging hat? He is the second worst hitter on the team, he is not clutch. He was the last pathetic out yesterday. Obviously his shoulder is STILL bothering him! I don’t want Gardener either. He is even WORSE than Melky! The worst batter on the WHOLE TEAM!
Bring up Shelley Duncan and do it NOW!
Can you imagine being called a Putz all your life?
No way Hughes would have given up 6 runs in this game
As usual, The Yankees messed with something when it was going well. There was no need to rush Wang back and they did and this is the end result.
“Meanwhile- for those who know their 80s Yankee history. Is there any greater proof than this Dave Winfield Yankeeography that George is no longer in charge?”
Afterward, there will be a Howie Spira Yankeeography.
Good work from Everyday Freddie. Here comes Coke.
This move makes no sense. It is a tied game leave him out there. Girardi manages like he actually has a bullpen. Aceves is pitching well besides the cookie to Kinsler.
Oh to answer your question, yes Austin’s ceiling is higher than Nate.
“I am INFURIATED! This team is horrible and they do nothing but let me down.”
You’re the type of Yankee fan that gives us all a bad name.
Don’t be flat Coke
The Arod pick off was a bang bang play you take a leadoff then with the pitch you take a second leadoff as the pitch is being delieverd and you are taught to freeze on contact with as hard as that ball was hit Alex getting back would be a phenominal feat. not his fault he was picked off
I really disagree with taking out Aceves here, he loses alot of value when you only let him pitch less than two innings. Now you got a bunch of guys who can only go one inning at a time pretty much.
“Meanwhile- for those who know their 80s Yankee history. Is there any greater proof than this Dave Winfield Yankeeography that George is no longer in charge?”
HAHA. Too true!!!
DEBORAH June 4th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
I am INFURIATED! This team is horrible and they do nothing but let me down. They overcome a GREAT deficit and they BLOW IT! What a surprise!
And yeah I wanna say I told you so! I said yesterday “why the heck is wang pitching?” There is POOR Phil Hughes, DEMOTED into the bullpen. If he was starting, this game would NOT be like THIS!
And is it just me or is Melky cabrera just absolutely AWFUL! What are you swinging hat? He is the second worst hitter on the team, he is not clutch. He was the last pathetic out yesterday. Obviously his shoulder is STILL bothering him! I don’t want Gardener either. He is even WORSE than Melky! The worst batter on the WHOLE TEAM!
Bring up Shelley Duncan and do it NOW!
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Oh calm down
McLouth is arguably better than Melky… more power, lower BA, worse defense. No way you’d give up Austin Jackson who has the look of a .300 hitter with superior defense and speed. McLouth is a good player, not a special one. Jackson could grow into a special one and he’s 5 1/2 years younger
“I am INFURIATED! This team is horrible and they do nothing but let me down. They overcome a GREAT deficit and they BLOW IT! What a surprise!
And yeah I wanna say I told you so! I said yesterday “why the heck is wang pitching?” There is POOR Phil Hughes, DEMOTED into the bullpen. If he was starting, this game would NOT be like THIS!
And is it just me or is Melky cabrera just absolutely AWFUL! What are you swinging hat? He is the second worst hitter on the team, he is not clutch. He was the last pathetic out yesterday. Obviously his shoulder is STILL bothering him! I don’t want Gardener either. He is even WORSE than Melky! The worst batter on the WHOLE TEAM!
Bring up Shelley Duncan and do it NOW!”
Holy crap, I don’t even know where to start with this.
“No way Hughes would have given up 6 runs in this game”
Can I borrow your crystal ball?
Oh yeah and you horrible fans (not on this blog at the park) embarrass me to be a Yankees fan!
BOOING A-ROD? ARE YOU KIDDING? He gets no support. He should play horribly and lose us the season because he gets NO support. Next thing you know they will be BOOING MARK Teixeira! You cant win! Who would even want to play for such ingrateful fans? UGH!
I would bite my tongue before I booed my own team.
Why, Girardi? Just let Aceves finish the inning.
Hopefully we don’t see any usual meatballs from Coke…He has been really off recently.
Will we get Coke Zero or The Real Thing?
Yankee fans are spending a lot.. for the tickets, parking… food @ stadium… it entitles them to believe they should see a better product, we can point out the 16 for 20 streak but how many are at the game everyday… they can only appreciate/boo what they are seeing today… and if a bunch of poor performing millionaires cant take that then too bad… i dont condone but i am not bothered by the booing
I don’t know how much I trust Coke in this spot…
When does the marshmallow salesman get his Yankeeography??
ouch !
Joe I
June 4th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
“Meanwhile- for those who know their 80s Yankee history. Is there any greater proof than this Dave Winfield Yankeeography that George is no longer in charge?”
Afterward, there will be a Howie Spira Yankeeography.
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Hahaha. All I can think of when I see that promo is- “I wonder if they will call him Mr. May”
Cervelli hurt?
Ouch..That has to hurt, hopefully he is ok…
“When does the marshmallow salesman get his Yankeeography??”
After the fans who bought Legends Seats and don’t use them get their Yankeeography.
atta boy Cervelli stay with it
Boston is winning today and you know Tampa will beat the hapless Royals
Losing this game could be costly. Back to 2nd place with Tampa breathing down our neck, who we start a series with.
Coke has to get dudes out, no walks!
Wang wasn’t THAT bad today but he wasn’t that good either. It’s his first start in weeks, it seems like he ran out of steam in the third inning. I expect him to get better and better as he gets more starts. His stuff looked pretty good and he got a lot of ground balls, the strike outs were nice too.
Guess he’s okay
Deborah was right. Hughes would not have given up 6 runs today.
Because…CC was scheduled to pitch.
Cisco’s ear looks like it met Mike Tyson.
DEBORAH, please, try decaf.
The booed him last year. Pricing is no excuse. He takes all the heat.
Good job by Coke there
Joekuh – we’re actually all related – our grandpa -OH my God – had 3 sons donisgod, bernieisgod and reggieisgod – we will have thanksgiving dinner under the o’neill banner in november..
brandon/joekuh – so assuming melky will become melky again and ggbg is not an everyday cf’er would you make that trade for mcclouth? -
I’m having a really bad day and as always, the YANKEES ARE SETTING ME OFF!
“McLouth is arguably better than Melky”
———-
arguably?
McLouth is pretty much proven at this point. Melky hasn’t proven anything – except that he has almost no meaningful trade value yet.
I hope Melk keeps it up and continues to improve, but there is no argument there.
“When does the marshmallow salesman get his Yankeeography??”
When Nestle buys ad time. I think the bottom of the 10th is available.
Alright lets smack around their bullpen like the Yanks are supposed to. The good part of the lineup coming up….
OH OKAY DT. well excuse me! CC would have done as HORRIBLY as Wang??
Give me a BREAK!
“I’m having a really bad day and as always, the YANKEES ARE SETTING ME OFF!”
Its a tie game, relax. Its not like they’re getting pounded. Have some faith.
DEBORAH
June 4th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
I’m having a really bad day and as always, the YANKEES ARE SETTING ME OFF!
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Deborah- it doesn’t take much, does it? Take a deep breath and don’t take it out on the boys in pinstripes (or this blog)
“Losing this game could be costly. Back to 2nd place with Tampa breathing down our neck, who we start a series with.”
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as costly as any other loss.
If the Yanks don’t continue to lose every game to Boston (I believe there are 14 left), they’ll be fine.
Please DEBORAH, don’t talk anymore. You criticize people for booing A-Rod right after you got done bashing Wang and Melky and demanded Shelly Duncan.
You’re an idiot and know nothing about the game. I’mn sorry, but I don’t think the Yankees expected Wang to come back today and set the world on fire. They want to see baby steps, a certain degree of progress, which they got.
He’s going to continue to progress over his next few starts and then we’ll see the CMW of old. So please, shut your mouth.
“Anyone trying to spin this into a positive start by Wang is full-on delusional.”
He did lower is ERA, right?
Texas has a good pen this year.
The only guy we hit is that Madigril guy and he got sent down
“brandon/joekuh – so assuming melky will become melky again and ggbg is not an everyday cf’er would you make that trade for mcclouth? -”
Pitt would have wanted Austin from us, he’s cost controlled, has more service yrs. left and is young an athletic and our top OF prospect. They would have dreamed Austin in RF McCutchen in CF….we wouldn’t have done it. And no they wouldn’t have wanted Brett or Melky.
Someone hand Deborah a couple chill pills.
Possibly the most embarrassing thing about the Yankees is…
their radio announcers. Seriously, they’re horrible, and I can’t believe such a world-class organization has such horrendous radio announcers.
exactly time for # 27. exactly.
Swisher is the Count of Full Counts.
Swish is heatin up!
Swish loving that #2 hole. LOL
(sorry, I am not tired of saying that yet)
DEBORAH June 4th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
I’m having a really bad day and as always, the YANKEES ARE SETTING ME OFF!
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relax
relate
release
Pete, I expect Girardi will use Jeter/Posada next time Cervelli and Pena are up. Probably the 9th or 10th inning? Hopefully the Yanks score right here and we don’t need those guys.
Why take him out now ; /
I don’t know why people are so shocked that Wang got tired from the 3rd inning on.
He is not stretched out. He has not started a game in over 2 weeks and has only been used in short stints.
He will be fine. It will take a couple starts for him to get his stamina back. The Yankees put themselves in this position by calling him up early, now they need to live with it. Not panic and move him back to the pen and let him sit another 10 days with no activity.
Why would you bash your own players? This is your team. I just don’t understand the mentality. So ugly.
Interesting… if Gardner steals you probably take the bat out of Tex’s hands.
Does anyone have any clue about Jeter’s numbers off the bench? I can’t imagine they are they bad- he IS Derek Jeter
Deborah,
I’m not sure who is more of a pessimist (judging from your few posts today), you are Rachel.
Relax.
a) it’s a game
b) it’s tied!
c) the Yanks have one of the top records in the league
Maybe they should leave Swisher batting 2nd lol WHy take Swish out in a tied game?!! I don’t like this move.
damn dp
Brandon – francessa just called – he said he hates you RE: not trading jax for mcclouth…
Why doesn’t Gardner ever run early in the count??
DEBORAH turn on Suzyn and John
NOW THAT PISSED ME OFF !
take swisher out of the game for a pinch runner who will steal 2B
hit into double play
Don’t steal Gardner. Then Tex is walked and A-Rod grounds into a DP
Gardner fails to steal again and AGAIN the Yankees GIDP.
Brett has to grow some balls, this is getting ridiculous
Gardner why did they bring you in the game?
It’s been addressed.
Now there booing tex…. Unbelieveable.
Tex hits into a DP…suicide watch for Deborah
C’mon A-Rod, we need you produce
These fans at the Stadium today are full of vitriol.
“Brandon – francessa just called – he said he hates you RE: not trading jax for mcclouth…”
Tell him to have a coke & a smile and STFU
“It’s been addressed.”
But has it been signed, sealed and delivered?
Deborah – The Yanks are tied for 1st…How much have they been letting you down? Would 164-0 please you more?
Freedom of speech Boogie Down. WHO do you think you are. Its a blog, GENIUS. People talk. Don’t you DARE tell me to shut up and dont you DARE call me an idiot!
I’ll post as often as I want and there is NOTHING you can do about it.
GET OVER IT.
I actually thought Deborah was trying to be funny. Wowsa.
mel, I agree with you about not booing my own team. Here’s at least one reason (there are many, not the least has to do with a little fan loyalty…) If I scream my brains out for player X today and boo him tomorrow, I feel at least a little bit dirty and a little bit hypocritical and more than a little bit of the antithesis of a solid player in the game of life. I also feel more than a little bit like I am some entitled person in life, and that would be the biggest perpetration of a fraud of all!
If I don’t expect perfection of myself in everything I do, should I expect it in the team I root for? Are they any less human than I?
I’m thrilled to be able to call myself a fan of the greatest team in the history of organized sports. I consider it an honor to root for the Yankees, not an honor for the Yankees that I root for them!
Girardi clearly over managed in that spot. The game is tied no reason to lose Swish in this game. It is not like the Yanks have a good bullpen where you are playing for 1 run there. Gardner should of pinch hit for Melky, what a stupid move.
seriously…what is wrong with some of you…what was the count 0-1 when tex gidp?…is gardner supposed to go on the first pitch, come on
“Nick in SF
June 4th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
It’s been addressed.
”
lol
now GGBG is stuck in the #2 whole, I guess either Jete or Georgie can PH there if it’s the bottom of the 9th
nick –
i attempted to post three explanations of what happened. none are showing up.
in short, i apologize if that comment is offensive to anyone. it was not intended as such.
poking fun at chien-ming wang is no different, no more or less reprehensible, than poking fun at berroa, veras, arod, farnsworth or any of the other players pete has taken shots at for their struggles. to point out a player’s struggles is not tantamount to hoping the struggles continue.
but to say wang’s back? nope. he’s not. period.
evidently, pete didn’t ban me. i don’t know or care. i’m not really interested in posting here when there’s such a bizarre double-standard. the blog is great, and it will be just as great, if not better, without my continuing this discussion.
if anyone wants to talk baseball, i’m at kasey@red-river-records.com
pete, you’re something else, man. something else.
if it were only that easy…
Jon Ringland
June 4th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Tex hits into a DP…suicide watch for Deborah
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Hahahaha. I did also notice that 86w183 has been missing since he threatened to throw his shoe at his TV. And I said that would be a wonderful idea
DT June 4th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Deborah was right. Hughes would not have given up 6 runs today.
Because…CC was scheduled to pitch.
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That made me literally LOL @ work. Good thing no one’s around me @ the moment.
TexisGOD – We expect video of the after dinner Thanksgiving fight under the banner!
And to answer your question, IMO, I dont make the trade. We already have AJ coming up and 2 young’uns in GGBG and an improving Melky. I stand pat until the deadline, see who/what shakes out then.
Deborah – Please continue to type in ALL CAPS so i know to skip right past your posts. THANK YOU.
Ok, I said Melky and Gardner stink but you would NEVER CATCH me booing my own player. EVER. Its disrespectful. Even the Captain who has done SO much for this team gets booed.
These fans make me so embarrassed. Why would anyone want to play for such hateful and DISRESPECTFUL fans???
The only reason for pulling Swish there that I can buy is the ball that he fouled off his ankle is starting to hurt him and he can’t move much in RF right now. Other than that, just unacceptable.
“Freedom of speech Boogie Down. WHO do you think you are. Its a blog, GENIUS. People talk. Don’t you DARE tell me to shut up and dont you DARE call me an idiot!
I’ll post as often as I want and there is NOTHING you can do about it.
GET OVER IT.”
Capitalizing random WORDS ARE annoying. SEE?
See HOW annoying IT is? I CAN do THAT too! I can POST ridiculous CLAIMS and COMPLAINTS whenever I WANT, with no REGARDS to OTHER readers of THE blog!
Damn, that hurt my eyes.
Brandon that has to be it. Otherwise that move made absolutely 0 sense.
Such a frustrating team to watch
We can’t even hit Jason Jennings, who had like 7 ERAs in the NL.
Now we have to expose our terrible bullpen again in the 8th. UGH.
Deborah, you’re crazy, ALL-CAPS rage is starting to turn me on.
“Capitalizing random WORDS ARE annoying. SEE?
See HOW annoying IT is? I CAN do THAT too! I can POST ridiculous CLAIMS and COMPLAINTS whenever I WANT, with no REGARDS to OTHER readers of THE blog!
Damn, that hurt my eyes.”
gardner was as much for defense as offense. swish just doesn’t play a good RF, and in a tie game you want the D too.
nice post trish. I agree.
I say let’s pretend it’s the National Anthem playing – everyone remove their Caps.
Why wouldn’t you boo them?
These last 2 games have been sloppy as heck and not well played. They looked like the 2008 team. Not to mention, they saw on the scoreboard that Boston was winning and we’re going to be out of 1st place if we lose.
The fans are paying through their nose to watch a good product and the last 2 days, they have not delivered. Cannot get a clutch hit to save their life.
Not sure I am agreeing with this. Anyone know why Coke is leaving? Is this a lefty/righty match up type thing? I also believe in the concept of overmanaging?
Go away, Deborah – you’re gross.
“Deborah, you’re crazy, ALL-CAPS rage is starting to turn me on.”
Steve I was just about to say the same thing about Deborah
do our thanksgiving utensils count as weapons? and do we send the children to the legend seats so they don’t have to be around when we go mano-a-mano?
S.A.–Let’s get ready to rumble! June 4th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
DEBORAH June 4th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
I’m having a really bad day and as always, the YANKEES ARE SETTING ME OFF!
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relax
relate
release
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CLASSIC!
As you watch Girardi manage the bullpen the last 2 years you notice he has this idea that guys need to pitch multiple innings out of the pen. But he hasnt gone all in. Now they have 3 guys tomko, hughes, and aceves and maybe coke that can go long in the pen (not just in blowouts). Will Girardi go all in? I hope so? Any thoughts?
Excuse my optimism about Wang, and I admit I didn’ get to watch any of his outing because I didn’t know we had a day game
but since I didn’t expect him to come and be lights out and since I know that pitchers getting back into the rotation often take a game or two to work their kinks out, if there are positives to take out of today’s game with the way Wang pitched, then trust he is on his way back.
Be grateful you’re a Yankee fan. Be grateful that you weren’t on the flight from Brazil to Paris and that (hopefully) you didn’t know anyone on the flight. Be grateful that you were able to get up his morning, hopefully under your own power, and that you have the ability and freedom in life to watch or listen to the Yankee games.
Try celebrating the amazing Yankee team rather than obssessing over the fact that the players are not wind-up machines who do what you want each and every AB, or pitch. They’re not your wind-up dolls, and they are doing their best to be the best they can for the fans who love them. If you can’t deal with less than perfection, maybe you need to find something else in life, like artificial flowers, that will never disappoint you.
Thanks for listening! This message was brought to you by a very grateful person who is so thankful to be both alive and a Yankee fan. The entire team could strike out every AB and I would love them as well. (Never mistake disappointment for condemnation…)
What good is Gardner on the roster if
A. He can’t steal bases in big spots
B. He can’t beat out DPs with his speed
? That roster spot could be going to someone who can actually contribute like Duncan.
It’s not a Freedom of Speech issue, it’s a moron issue Deborah. If you want to post like a moron, you will get get called on it.
Patrick,
I have no idea what Gardner is thinking. He has to run early in the count.
Second time in a week, he’s cost the team.
It’s why speed is the most overrated part of the game. If you don’t use it properly, it hurts you.
DEBORAH June 4th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Ok, I said Melky and Gardner stink but you would NEVER CATCH me booing my own player. EVER. Its disrespectful. Even the Captain who has done SO much for this team gets booed.
These fans make me so embarrassed. Why would anyone want to play for such hateful and DISRESPECTFUL fans???
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Do you know Joe Francisco? Have you ever met him under the O’Neil banner?
I use caps to EMPHASIZE points. It isnt like they are RANDOM or something. I will TRY to cut back if it makes you SOOO happy.
And that is how I type when Im angry.
The sound of that scared the crap out of me.
I’d love to see a vulture win for D-Rob.
Swish is 2-3 today, 2 doubles. No reason to take his bat out of the lineup in a tied game. Not even for defense..
Did I just read that Deborah’s caps binge is turning some guys on? Wait, what?
“gardner was as much for defense as offense. swish just doesn’t play a good RF, and in a tie game you want the D too.”
You know what, that makes sense. I don’t want Swish fielding w/ a tie game as much as I like the bat.
wang did enough to have something to build on. 69 pitches are more than he’s thrown in a while.
his pitch f/x release point on the sinker is as low as its been all year at 6′1″ on a lot of the sinkers.
this shows he’s making progress getting back in his lower arm slot that made the sinker effective.
as cb long ago theorized, as wang got healthier his arm slot would lower. it seems to be happening.
i’d say today is progress.
now to win the game.
it would be good for the wang discussion later on the blog for the yankees to win this game.
it will be a very different discussion if they don’t
Brandon, back off buddy, I got dibs!
I’m guessing, though, she’s more than enough woman for the both of us, so you’ll get your turn, too.
Erica, I think because Wang had such a short stint and he had to waste Aceves he can’t afford to lose Coke tomorrow too in case Sabathia falters. I’m not sure I like the idea of saving guys for the next day when today’s game is tied though. Win this one and deal with tomorrow tomorrow. This is classic Girardi overmanaging.
Taking Swisher’s bat out of the lineup is going to haunt us
Count me among those astounded by Gardner as a pinch runner. You don’t pinch run at 1B unless you are going to run. Otherwise wait to see if Swish gets into scoring position. If he was told to go and didn’t again I’d ship him to Scranton immediately. No excuse for that.
“I’m guessing, though, she’s more than enough woman for the both of us, so you’ll get your turn, too.”
Oh my God. This is nuts, lol.
Don’t be a pig, Steve. That is just as offensive. Go away.
kasey: I didn’t see the original comment, just your comment about the comment. I’m not judging anyone and I don’t assume any malice on your part. But I objected when someone on that board used the same type of comment in post directed at me, so… it’s just best not to use that kind of formulation, light-hearted or not.
I completely agree about Gardner. Why pinch run him if he wont steal early in the count. He has played better lately but I dont think he’ll ever be a major factor on this team.
nice swing cano!!
Let’s be honest? This Bullpen is not going to get us to the promise land. We have a below average bullpen and if we want to win the World Series we need to improve. I just don’t think the guys that are in there are cut out for it.
ahhhh CJ Wilson and his creepy rapist picture on gameday…
Can someone just get a run and get to MO?
Jesus, it’s like if the pitcher doesn’t throw a cookie they can deposit in RF, they don’t score.
The Ghost
June 4th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Erica, I think because Wang had such a short stint and he had to waste Aceves he can’t afford to lose Coke tomorrow too in case Sabathia falters. I’m not sure I like the idea of saving guys for the next day when today’s game is tied though. Win this one and deal with tomorrow tomorrow. This is classic Girardi overmanaging.
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That was my thought too. But I guess with a little luck we can get ahead this inning and get the ball to Mo for the 9th. Does Mo pitch the 9th if it’s still tied????
Leadoff walk.
Leadoff walks FTW
Matsui hits a bomb here – calling it
Matsui time?
Ok, did giradi threaten cano? He just walked.
CJ Wilson is lights out. So basically if we win this, it has to be atleast in the 10th. He’s staying in for 2 innings.
That means our pen has to throw 2 scoreless against this Texas lineup.
Can we stay out of another DP, please?
I completely agree about Gardner. Why pinch run him if he wont steal early in the count. He has played better lately but I dont think he’ll ever be a major factor on this team.
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Did you see Swish run to first he was limping
I regret my comments about Melky Cabrera. Coincidentally, he is actually my FAVORITE player (i know, i know)
He is just so frstrating and I blame Girardi for rushing him back ok, he is CLEARLY not ready. And I dont want a repeat of last year where he loses his confidence. I almost think its sabotage for him to do bad because we know Joe Girardi loves Brett Gardner (that is his pet player). And if Melky cant get it together we will be stuck with that gardner in center field.
But I wont retract my comments about gardner who is pure trash.
A clean 8th! Reading the comments at times lead me to believe that the bullpen was incapable of such things!
If Matsui gets on in a big situation, I sure would like a pinch runner for him. I would have saved Gardner for that. And Comeback Time, lighten up, dude — I was obviously kidding, trying to lighten the mood regarding DEBORAH’S rants.
1. Tex is GOD June 4th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
do our thanksgiving utensils count as weapons? and do we send the children to the legend seats so they don’t have to be around when we go mano-a-mano?
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1. No utensils unless they have some link with o’neill. But old matsui jerseys are encouraged and appreciated!
2. If you try to send the women and children to the legend seats, Trost will PERSONALLY send them away. I think he guards that area himself when the stadium’s closed.
PS Can someone tell me where to go to get the faces/emoticons? Its annoying to see everyone use them but me
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Here’s hoping Papelblown strikes again in Detroit…
Matsui just got under that!
Lou in SoCal
June 4th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Let’s be honest? This Bullpen is not going to get us to the promise land. We have a below average bullpen and if we want to win the World Series we need to improve. I just don’t think the guys that are in there are cut out for it.
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This “below average bullpen” has given up one run in the last two games despite having to be used for more than 9 innings in both games combined
Melk man!!
MELKMAN!!!
Melky magic!
MEKLY!!! HE LIKE-A DA WOMEN!!!!!!!!
Key kasey, don’t go away. I didn’t see the post in question but I know that you are one of the few people who were able to get me to post in a “certain fashion” if you know what I mean.
You don’t have to like Wang. Hey you promised to be positive for one straight week and wouldn’t it be a riot if you joined the OPPC for one week????
Please don’t leave. There are obviously people who agree with you about Wang.
DA MELK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AHHHHHHHH NICEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
The Melkman delivers!!!!!
I missed my call by one batter. Too bad Melky couldn’t wait one more inning he could have gotten some pie!
Memo to all the trolls : SUCK IT!
crow tastes good
Melky > McClouth
(at least today!
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Melky!
Did Melky just homer?
Sorry, I don’t trust Sterling anymore.
Melkey sucks, eh?
Yay Melky!
LECHE!!!!!!
AUTOMATIC OUT!
the melk man’s shoulder must be healing up.
little by little.
How about that, Melky hit a HR from the RIGHT side. Pretty surprising considering it’s his weak side. Way to go Melk!
What a beaut!
what did kasey say?
I didn’t see anything bad.
Melky!!!!!!!!!!
“I regret my comments about Melky Cabrera. Coincidentally, he is actually my FAVORITE player (i know, i know)”
That is just too funny. I love it.
one pitch and vulture W for Robertson?
I like it!
/hope I’m not putting the jinx on Mo.
Hey Erica, to answer your question – Yes Mariano WILL pitch the ninth
I thought he was going to catch that right at the wall. I was going to kill the wind tunnel…That is one time when you like the 318 feet.
Enter Sandman.
DEBORAH,
Still think Melky is not ready? Is it Girardi’s fault that the Yankees have the lead now?
These automatic outs are doing pretty well.
If Deborah learns how to bold, this thing could go thermo-nuclear.
*HE IS MY DA MELK!!!!!*
Never left his side!!!
The House that Melk Built!!
Man, the dude just goes nuts at home.
.326 BA
.939 OPS
20 RBI
at home this season
Melkman.
Shuts up the doom and gloomers.
You all need to go home.
This team does not give up.
I LOVE YOU MELKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Deborah slows backs off the ledge…
MELKY MELKY MELKY
LOL at Alex and Tex
Melky stay with the adult film stars!!
Next time don’t let her post the video online though!
Damn does this team love each other.
Hopefully this gets Melky going again. I didnt see the hr just heard it on the radio, but boy does he love hitting in this stadium.
Melky finally put one in the air!! haha, so much for a day off.
Not bad for an “automatic out”.
Funny thing is, when the lineup is posted tomorrow we will have more “Melky is an automatic out” posts.
Aww Robby and Melky really missed Arod – and vice versa!!!
It’s so sweet to watch.
The Ghost
June 4th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Hey Erica, to answer your question – Yes Mariano WILL pitch the ninth
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Whew, I am glad Melky took the mystery out of that one
There has been no better clutch hitter in baseball this year than Melky Cabrera.
they’re not going to win every game. but you gotta love this team!
Top of the lineup up for Texas. Hopefully the cutter is cutting….
If adult porn stars help Melky hit .300+, by all means, carry on!
no listen guys I really love melky, I named my golden retriever after melky lol
It’s MO TIME!
milky man
the only thing automatic on this team is mariano coming in for the 9th. there are no more automatic outs
DEBORAH June 4th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
I LOVE YOU MELKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Is this a love/hate thing you have for Melky?
Kinsler, Young, Blalock….
Mo is going to earn this one.
vb03 (Gehrig to Gardner: Memoirs of a Utility IF)
June 4th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
If adult porn stars help Melky hit .300+, by all means, carry on!
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Clearly, I have missed something. What is this about?
Trisha, does that make you a Melk maid?
Nice knock by Melky!
“Dave June 4th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
CJ Wilson is lights out. So basically if we win this, it has to be atleast in the 10th. He’s staying in for 2 innings.
That means our pen has to throw 2 scoreless against this Texas lineup.”
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lol
Geeze, that crowd sounds dead.
If I didn’t know they were playing at home, I’d assume the Yanks were on the road based on the amount of crowd noise after Melky’s HR.
Now shut em down Mo!
“vb03 (Gehrig to Gardner: Memoirs of a Utility IF)
June 4th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
If adult porn stars help Melky hit .300+, by all means, carry on!
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Clearly, I have missed something. What is this about?”
There’s a video out of Melky and some porn star in a hotel room with Melky eating peanuts shirtless or something.
Gotta go to MO
Does Melky still suck now Deboarah??????
DEBORAH:
“And is it just me or is Melky cabrera just absolutely AWFUL! What are you swinging hat? He is the second worst hitter on the team, he is not clutch. He was the last pathetic out yesterday. Obviously his shoulder is STILL bothering him! I don’t want Gardener either. He is even WORSE than Melky! The worst batter on the WHOLE TEAM!”
LOL at some baseball “fans”….
““Dave June 4th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
CJ Wilson is lights out. So basically if we win this, it has to be atleast in the 10th. He’s staying in for 2 innings.
That means our pen has to throw 2 scoreless against this Texas lineup.””
Hmm. That prediction didn’t shake out too well.
I guess to sum up the mood of some LoHud bloggers –
Melky stinks, except on at bats when he doesn’t.
so far this season, Papelbon has been getting the saves and keeping his ERA down..
but he is throwing so many more pitches than in the past. His avg inning seems like it’s 20 pitches or more.
It will be interesting to see if he tires later this season.
vb03 (Gehrig to Gardner: Memoirs of a Utility IF)
June 4th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
There’s a video out of Melky and some porn star in a hotel room with Melky eating peanuts shirtless or something.
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That might win my “bad mental image” of the day award
Stephen,
The crowd has been very disappointing early on. They’ve had their moments, but overall it has been very subdued. Not like the old stadium at all.
We shouldn’t be surprised though. A lot of the stadium reviews over the winter said the crowd noise would diminish somewhat. Though it seems to be worse than what it was supposed to be.
And is it just me or is Melky cabrera just absolutely AWFUL!
(then) . . . .
I LOVE YOU MELKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(typical)
where’s the video of melky and the porn star?
Why all the anger?
I hope Wang figures out his kink,it may just be arm strength.
Imagine how awful he felt today.
So happy they never got rid of Melky, he’s always had a knack of coming up big when the team needs it. I’ll always remember his first big series against the Sox and how many big hits/plays he made as a green rookie. You can’t teach clutch.
Mo, please bear my children.
Kinsler goes down. Crowd sounded plenty loud on that K.
Coming into today’s games, McLouth ops .819, Melky .821… and Melky’s is going up, and he’s a better defensive outfielder, and he’s 5 1/2 years younger
Mr. Francessa…. are you paying attention? Ever?
“Trisha, does that make you