Trouble against the Red Sox and Rays
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Podcast on Jun 06, 2009 
Print This Post
| 
Email This Post
One loss against the Rays does not a disaster make. But the Yankees are a troubling 2-9 against the Red Sox and Rays, having been outscored 79-55.
Sure, most of those games came before Alex Rodriguez returned to the lineup. But the Rays showed up in New York without Jason Bartlett, Akinori Iwamura and Pat Burrell and with Evan Longoria limited to pinch hitting and scored nine runs.
Joe Girardi said he took CC Sabathia out of the game because the Yankees had a long bottom of the eighth inning. CC said he felt fine and wanted to continue. “That’s up to Joe,” he said. Sabathia had thrown 101 pitches, nine below his average.
Mariano Rivera said he would have wanted to face Longoria. “Because that’s what I do,” he said. But Girardi went with the numbers and walked Longoria to get to Upton.
Those numbers:
Longoria was 2 for 6 against Mo with a homer three strikeouts, Upton was 1 for 7 with six strikeouts. I’d say Girardi made the correct move. But Upton got a hit.
Here is Girardi’s postgame interview:
Audio clip: Adobe Flash Player (version 9 or above) is required to play this audio clip. Download the latest version here. You also need to have JavaScript enabled in your browser.
<— crazy people stay there
rough game but its all gone with a win tomorrow..hopefully joba is a electric and the offense does its thing…
Bingo, Pete.
Tampa is not 100% either, yet they are still red hot at the moment and have beaten us up. Anyone who complains about injuries should look at the lineup Tampa put out there today.
Tough loss today, but hey, that’s baseball.. They’ll bounce back.
This place has become a Confederacy of Dunces.
CC’s probably pissed at Joe. I have no problem using Mo there – it’s a fine move, though you could make the argument that you could go batter to batter with CC. That said, CC always wants to pitch and we need to protect him from himself.
I wasn’t at home to watch the game, but how many times has a manager actually not let Mo do what he wanted to do? I’m not sure I like this move by Jo…..
It’s a fact that Mo is getting hit harder. I don’t know if that’s a function of diminished velocity or that he’s just not able to locate anymore. I have no problem bringing him into a tie game, but it might behoove the Yankees to not have to be tied or behind so often in the late innings. I love their spirit and their desire, but they really need to make things easier on Mo by having some more blow outs. For some reason, their offense often doesn’t click until the late innings and that’s a problem, especially against the good teams.
Jerkface June 6th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
< —- crazy people stay there
===========================
Let’s see how they do tomorrow with Jobber on the mound
2-9 says it all
Maybe we’re not as good as we thought.
Everyone needs to forget this one and hope that Joba is JOBA tomorrow.
Heh. the Yanks lost cos I went and was wearing a Rivera shirt.
Really scary moment: Rivera’s second pitch to Zobrist was lined foul. It hit a girl in the face, hard. You could see it from where i was sitting. The girl’s father picked her up and there were about twenty different ushers trying to help.
He took MO out because there was no reason to waste pitches with him when he clearly had nothing today and he had already blown it.
of course MO wants to stay in the game, but there was no point in running the pitch count up and having him unavailable tomorrow.
Question. It seems that there are only people who post here when the Yankees lose. Why?
Really scary moment: Rivera’s second pitch to Zobrist was lined foul. It hit a girl in the face, hard. You could see it from where i was sitting. The girl’s father picked her up and there were about twenty different ushers trying to help.
==========================================
Oh no. Scary
Oooh, I’m so scared that the Yankees can’t play the Sox and Rays………….The Yankees took 2/3 from Tampa in Tampa earlier in the year, by the way.
The Rays recently got swept by Cleveland, the Sox recently lost 2/3 to the Jays. The Yankees won 3/4 from the Tribe and won 2/3 from the Jays, both on the road.
Betsy – That’s the challenge that teams who always try and rally face. It destroys the pen because you have to manage to win the game AND even when we’re tailing, Joe has to mix and match and try to keep the game where it is because of our ability to come back.
This team needs some blowouts in the worst way
SA: It was terrifying. I actually forgot about the game there…until Zobrist ended up on third base.
Unlike most here, I never counted out Tampa and bought into the “Yankees are a lock to make the playoffs because them and Boston are the best in the AL”.
They were a dangerous team all along… a sleeping Giant. I’ve been rooting against them every night just as much as Boston. Sadly, they seem to have awoken and are on a very nice run now.
Going to be a handful all summer.
It’s now back to a 3-team race officially. One bad stretch (and bad could mean .500 in this division) and we could be back in 3rd place.
Betsy:
Can’t deny the value of being able to win some of these games against division foes. In 2005, for example, it was the difference between winning the division and not winning it. Still some 25 or so games remaining against the Rays and Boston to rectify things, but they are going to have to play .650 against them the rest of the way to break even.
The upside this year is the Yankees have really fattened up on the cupcakes.
I’m psyched about seeing Joba on the mound again and even more psyched that he doesn’t have to face Price. While Price wasn’t lights out today he was quite good. Something makes me think he is going to get better and better and better.
Oh yeah, it has at least a little something to do with the fact that I have Joba on my fantasy team! He he he.
Imagine how cool it’ll be if the Suxers lose again tonight? It’s gotta be a pretty nice moment to lose and remain in first.
GO RANGERS!!!!!
4Time, that’s true. Someone had posted something similar to what I wrote in the game thread, except that poster thought it reflected negatively on the Yankees. I don’t because the point is they are winning, but they really have had VERY few blowouts this year. Most games are nail-biters – it’s not ideal, not to mention that you play enough close games, at some point they are not going to go your way. It’s hard to complain about the offense, but this really is one complaint I have about them……..
True Betsy but I would like them to start winning some division games against someone other then the O’s and Jays.
They’re 0-3 against the Rays at home. They have 2 more games here to help that. And the Sox next.
Still early in the season but start beating your main competition in the division.
S.A.—The sun will come out tomorrow; I’m down with the OPPC
June 6th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
GreenBeret7 June 6th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Melancon will be brought back to NY when he starts getting minor league hitters out better than he has, lately. Last 10 games, 11 innings, 11 hits, 6 runs, 4 walks ain’t cutting it. That doesn’t include the 4 inherited runners that scored.
==========================
I didn’t realize that was how Melancon has been doing lately. Thanks GB7.
He needs some further cooking down in AAA, not ready to come out of the oven just yet.
Looks like we will need to wait a bit for Marky Mark to return.
——————————————————————————————
The bad part is that the numbers have gotten worse since NYY sent him back to Scranton. I’m hoping that it’s coincidence and not because he was pouting.
Well, Pete, you asked the best question post-game! The question everyone wanted answered. Kudos to you.
You can always tell when a player disagrees with the manager. The answer is always, “that’s the manager’s decision.” Doesn’t mean it was the wrong decision, just that the players disagreed. And, really, of course they did in this case. CC would pitch for consecutive days, and he would never want to come out. And Mariano – he wants to face everyone. Both of them want to finish what they started.
You could second guess till the cows come home, but if it was meant to be (the win), then several things would have (or wouldn’t have) happened today. But I do think it has to be re-thought that bringing Mo into a tied game at home in the ninth is automatic.
I like that they didn’t die in the bottom of the ninth and both Posada and Cano gave the ball a ride. It’s ironic that if they both hit the ball a little weaker, it’s a different game. Or if the pulled the ball just a bit more. You can’t fault either one of them.
Tomorrow’s another day, and, like Mo says, you just turn the page.
Pete, I’ll start the counter from today. It is valid to discount the April games, to some extent. They were not only not at full strength in April, but there is a totally different mindset these days. They did not die today, even after a really devastating top of the 9th. I may be foolish, but I’ll ignore April.
We all may have to get used to Mariano not necessarily being a sure thing every single time out. He may be approaching ordinary. But he’s still darn good. And he’s still the closer I want out there.
As Scarlett O’Hara was wont to say: Tomorrow is another day!
Pete, but remember we’ve been without Bruney for a whole lot of time, and he was our 8th inning go-to guy. And then the Wang situation, and losing Jorge and Arod and Nady and Marte. I could go on and on.
We haven’t been at full strength just about ever this season and we’re still in first place. This team rocks. And will continue to rock.
Joe,
I never printed my playoff tickets either. The Yankees are a very good team, but that doesn’t mean they are going to make the playoffs. They play in a division with 2 other good teams as well.
And all 3 of these teams have shown the propensity to rally late. So it’s not like we’re the only team who does that. Most good teams do.
It’s about the pen, nothing more.
Well Joe and Fireman, I guess you consider me quite the fool because I HAVE printed my playoff tickets. In fact I paid a premium for them, that’s how much I believe we will be there.
We need a young heir-apparent closer to Mo. I believe the time has come, we should try and get Huston Street.
Yankees 8-6 last 14 games since May 22nd. Four of those games lost by the bullpen. Aceves, Coke, Tomko, and now Rivera.
Pete-
“Since he was called back up from Scranton, Dave Robertson has appeared in six games. His line: 4 1 0 0 2 4.” The one hit cost us a game charged to Coke.
The Rays are missing four of their everyday players. How does a no-name like Dillon get hits off two of the best pitchers in the game? Is this due to scouting? Pitch Calling?
Cashman-Fix the bullpen!!! How many come from behind wins does this team have??
“I’m hoping that it’s coincidence and not because he was pouting.”
You wouldn’t think he’s the pouting type off of what yoiu hear about him. I’d assume that when they sent him down they talked a little about what they wanted him to work on, but did so in an encouraging manner. I thought he pitched a little scared when he was up. I’d guess they talked him about agressively attacking the strike zone, trust his stuff, etc.
Division games are very important, especially in this division that’s going to be decided by a few games.
All 3 of these teams are going to demolish teams from the other divisions. It’s what they do against eachother that will determine which 2 go to the playoffs and which one goes home.
Sheesh, guys, it’s one loss.
And when it comes down to it, the Rays have a lot more problems than the Yankees do.
We lost with our closer on the mound against Zobrist, Navarro, Dillian, Braniac etc. Unacceptable.
But that doesn’t change the fact that this pen is deplorable. Something must be done.
RC 16
June 6th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
It’s now back to a 3-team race officially. One bad stretch (and bad could mean .500 in this division) and we could be back in 3rd place.
————————————————————
It’s so strange that a loss in the first week in June becomes losing the pennant in October. I mean, Tampa has jumped all the way from 5 games out to 4 games out. There’s no way to stop a runaway freight train. It seems like it was just the other day when Tampa had a 4 game lead on NY.
We need a guy like Huston Street in the worst way
A guy who can be a lock down SU man and a heir apparent to MO, as well as notch a few saves here and there to keep MO fresh. Also can be used in tie games where MO struggles.
Steve, I agree……but I don’t think that they need to even have an overall .500 record against the Rays and Sox. They need to win games against them so that they can gain games in the standings (and, thereby, not lose any), but they also need to just continue what they’re doing against the mediocre teams. The Rays are a good team, but my word – they earned every bit of their 3rd place in the standings. They are 4-2 against the Yankees and are still 4 games behing – that’s really what counts. I don’t think the Yankees lack confidence against either team……they did come back again today. Unfortunately, the pen is going to kill them. Coke is mediocre at this point – I think he has potential, but he is awfully unreliable. Aceves has been great, but I’m not ready to call him lock down either. Bruney will help and I think so will a healthy Marte, but still they are unknowns. As to Mo……I will admit to being slightly concerned about him. He’d pitched well for quite a while before the last two days, but apparently his velocity was down and he did get hit hard. If he’s not automatic, then a huge advantage the Yankees had is lost.
Not having anything to do with our pen, but I think some team needing bullpen help might be smart to take a flyer on Glavine. He had gone 11 scoreless in the minors before they canned him.
Much ado about nothing.
For god sake we are still in the first place.
Doreen
June 6th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Well, Pete, you asked the best question post-game! The question everyone wanted answered. Kudos to you.
You can always tell when a player disagrees with the manager. The answer is always, “that’s the manager’s decision.” Doesn’t mean it was the wrong decision, just that the players disagreed. And, really, of course they did in this case. CC would pitch for consecutive days, and he would never want to come out. And Mariano – he wants to face everyone. Both of them want to finish what they started.
You could second guess till the cows come home, but if it was meant to be (the win), then several things would have (or wouldn’t have) happened today. But I do think it has to be re-thought that bringing Mo into a tied game at home in the ninth is automatic.
I like that they didn’t die in the bottom of the ninth and both Posada and Cano gave the ball a ride. It’s ironic that if they both hit the ball a little weaker, it’s a different game. Or if the pulled the ball just a bit more. You can’t fault either one of them.
Tomorrow’s another day, and, like Mo says, you just turn the page.
Pete, I’ll start the counter from today. It is valid to discount the April games, to some extent. They were not only not at full strength in April, but there is a totally different mindset these days. They did not die today, even after a really devastating top of the 9th. I may be foolish, but I’ll ignore April.
We all may have to get used to Mariano not necessarily being a sure thing every single time out. He may be approaching ordinary. But he’s still darn good. And he’s still the closer I want out there.
As Scarlett O’Hara was wont to say: Tomorrow is another day!
————————————————————
Does that mean that 75% of this board is named Rhett Butler?
The bullpen is almost something that people have tried to avoid discussing as if ignoring the problem will make it go away. The trade deadline is still very far away and we can’t keep losing games in the 8/9th innings. The one thing that will really put us over the top is when we get September call-ups with Melancon, and likely Ajax seeing time and Joba going back to the pen for the stretch run and to contain his innings.
“We need a guy like Huston Street in the worst way
A guy who can be a lock down SU man and a heir apparent to MO, as well as notch a few saves here and there to keep MO fresh. Also can be used in tie games where MO struggles.”
Bingo. I would give up a decent package for a young closer type like Street.
“and Joba going back to the pen for the stretch run and to contain his innings.”
You know something we don’t know ?
“Bingo. I would give up a decent package for a young closer type like Street.”
Exactly who ?
The players know what their records against these 2 teams are
For god sakes, Damon was watching an Orioles/Red Sox game a couple years ago when we were in Seattle where the Os blew the game in the 9th and he was ticked off and upset. Remember that?
Even after one of those Twins games… he commented on the fact that it would be nice if other teams in front of us lost as well (Boston/Toronto were ahead of us and playing well at the time).
These players know everything.
I feel like the Yanks are going to be the Mets of last season. No matter how hard they try they will not be able to overcome this bullpen. Unless ofcourse Bruney comes back and is himself….the odds of that happening who knows. Or Cash can trade for a bullpen arm. At this point they need 3 arms and not just one.
The yankees are:
19-0 when leading at the start of the 7th
21-2 when leading at the start of the 8th
25-1 when leading at the start of the 9th
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
“I feel like the Yanks are going to be the Mets of last season.”
We’re going to collapse w/ a 11 game lead
Sadly, Joba is one of our better SPs. I want him in the pen, but it’s not happening.
CC has been pretty good, Burnett is up and down, Wang is terrible, Andy is hit or miss.
Joba has been atleast some what consistent along with CC
Cash, go out and earn the money and fix the pen
Rachel,
Ironically, the 08 Mets bullpen actually had a LOWER ERA (by about a run) than ours currently does.
Shows how bad our pen is. Going to kill us in the long run if it goes unaddressed.
like to see the yanks win tomorrow, 2-9 against tampa and bst is unnaceptable, battled all day, hey yanks have flaws so do boston, tampa, toronto, baltimore and basically the rest of baseball right now.
that said, this board used to rock, it now is populated with weiney heineys
GB-7
“Does that mean that 75% of this board is named Rhett Butler?”
“Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn.”
Or as Mammy said [sums up todays game] “It ain’t fittin, It jes ain’t fittin.”
““and Joba going back to the pen for the stretch run and to contain his innings.”
You know something we don’t know ?”
Joba will not possibly be able to start games going into late August/September so unless the Yankees send him down(which makes no sense) we will once again be seeing Jobber in the pen.
Matt Stairs again.
How many more losses can this team take? To come back only to lose it time after time in the very next frame has to be deflating… I don’t care how resilient you are. So many missed opportunities… the Philly game, the Cleveland game today etc.
Cashman has to fix the pen, he can’t wait for Bruney and can’t wait till July. And Tampa is going to scouring for pen help in July as well and will be after the same targets. Beat them to the punch.
For someone who’s been bounced around so much Stairs is a major pain in the butt!
“The yankees are:
19-0 when leading at the start of the 7th
21-2 when leading at the start of the 8th
25-1 when leading at the start of the 9th”
What are the Yankees when tied at the start of the 7th, 8th or 9th innings??
“Shows how bad our pen is. Going to kill us in the long run if it goes unaddressed.”
It’s not like we’ll trot out Mota, Schoenwise and Ayala I think it was. They’ll address and heck the Mets didn’t even have a Philip Hughes that they could stick in that role and David Robertson is better than that sidewinder they had, it’ll be addressed.
Street could be the answer. But they are probably going to want a lot for him. He is young, doesn’t make a lot of money, no reason for them to trade him. Will Cash be willing to pay a ton for him? I doubt it.
God I hate Tampa
Can’t this stupid team just go away so we can have a stress free summer while battling Boston for the division, but know we are going to the playoffs regardless?
Now we’re going to be battling for our lives and every day is going to be a stressful game and we’re scoreboard watching every night rooting for TB to lose. Not fun at all.
“Cashman has to fix the pen, he can’t wait for Bruney and can’t wait till July”
Think where the team is w/o Marte or Bruney, now add them, you don’t think that improves a bit ? Marte jury is still out on.
Cashman probably thinks the bullpen is fine and Phil Coke is a stud, Veras throws 95 so he is good, and Melancon will become Scott Shields.
Tampa is probably going to go on a run at some point, but they will not be there in the end. Too many injuries and not enough talent. That team is essentially Longoria/Upton and Pena who still strikes out 200 times a year.
You know, reading this thread, you would have never known that at the present moment we’re still in first place.
The team has lost before and they will lose again; this loss didn’t devastate them. If they go on to lose a few in a row, it simply means that they are human. They didn’t exactly play a sparkling game even before Mo………As I said, the Yankees need some laughers. I love their comebackability (they almost did it again in the 9th) – many talented teams do not have the resiliency of the Yankees – but they can’t count on winning too many of these close games. Every game with them is a nail-biter…..
personally, didn’t like walking longoria since he hasn’t played in a week. pitch to the cold guy
Melancon definitely has that ability, Veras the DFA bus awaits, Coke needs to be sent down.
Some of the Rays players say the stadium feels “different” and the ghost aren’t around at the new place.
They don’t feel it’s intimidating and they said it “smelled different”.
This coming from a team that plays in the worst stadium in baseball.
“Cashman probably thinks the bullpen is fine and Phil Coke is a stud, Veras throws 95 so he is good, and Melancon will become Scott Shields.”
I dunno if he is that clueless but he is definitely out of touch. The pen is a big concerned and this would have not even been an issue if he had picked up a veteran arm on the cheap this offseason. Putting too much faith in the Veras/Albaladejo of the world, that was his biggest fail.
I understand the bullpen is awful… but how was that responsible for our loss today?
At last I checked, the “best closer in baseball” gave up 4 hits and 3 runs to the likes of Zobrist, Navarro, Dillon, etc.
It’s not like Bruney or Melancon or Houston Street would be pitching today. We had an off-day yesterday so MO was not overworked.
Ultimately, MO is declining before our eyes. Bringing in a stud setup man is not going to change that fact.
Rebecca, don’t you know the Yankees are only in first because the Sox and Rays have allowed them this little tease? Those two teams are just letting the Yanks have some fun in the sun before they come back and beat our brains in.
“You know, reading this thread, you would have never known that at the present moment we’re still in first place.”
IKR
… I’m going to get some air, los restos pal carajo.. 
The bullpen is the Achilles heel of the team.
Take the top 5 arms in the pen and compare them to the Sox pen. There is no comparison. Same goes for the Rays. Their pen is also not very good.
If Coke could get lefties out today, what he’s on the roster to do, they had a chance to steal the game.
Whichever team, Yankees or Rays, fixed their bullpen the best, will have the edge to fight with the Sox for the division and WC.
I just have a REAL problem with Girardi. He is lucky to be still with us, who else would be allowed to stay after FAILING to make the post season!!
This bullpen in Fenway is going to be a disaster.
Boston throws Saito, Ramirez, Bard, Delcarmen, Papelbon, Okijima at us
We throw 39 yr old MO, Aceves, Coke, Veras, Tomko against them
What a mismatch. The offense better show up.
Anytime you scorre seven runs for CC Sabathia you should win, period. They didn’t. Stuff happens.
I hav elong been an advocate for acquiring Street but the key is the pricetag. It would have to include someone at least as good as Robertson and more. Is that worth doing?
Tampa is an ok team but I do not think they are anything more then that. I definitely do not think they are good enough to be a play off team. The lineup is nothing special, rotation is Garza and Shields, bullpen stinks. They don’t even have a closer. I think if the Yanks can get the bullpen figured out it will be them and Boston at the end like always.
So, putting Phil in the pen was a good idea. It’s been a week since he’s pitched. He’ll likely get work in tomorrow with Joba starting, but still – if Joba does well, then maybe not. This is the chance the Yankees took in putting Phil in the pen. I don’t know where he’s going to find consistent work if the starters keep giving us length
Do people realize that the Sux have SIX guys in their bullpen with ERA’s under 3?
They have the best bullpen ERA in baseball
Girardi went textbook today; bring in your closer at home in a tied game in the ninth.
Even if there where though to be better option/s in the pen Mo would have still been in the game.
Hughes was warming up ready to pitch the 10th if we got there
Right now, despite not even throwing a pitch as a reliever, is probably Girardi’s go to guy along with Aceves.
“Al from BK June 6th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
We need a young heir-apparent closer to Mo.”
Yeah, his name is Joba Chamberlain.
Yankee Trader
June 6th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
GB-7
“Does that mean that 75% of this board is named Rhett Butler?”
“Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn.”
Or as Mammy said [sums up todays game] “It ain’t fittin, It jes ain’t fittin.”
————————————————————
To paraphrase all of the Rhett Butlers, ” ***Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damned*** if they are 17-6 over the last 23 games. They didn’t win today. I think I’ll just stomp my feet and hold my breath.”
After seeing how much MO has struggled this year and considering he is not who he once was… Girardi needs to be much more guarded in his use of him.
Today for example, CC was throwing well and at 100 pitches. Throw him back out there. MO is NOT automatic anymore. The sooner Girardi realizes that and stops looking at his past rather than his present, the better off we will be.
Just like when Bruney comes back, he should take some of that work.
“Yeah, his name is Joba Chamberlain.”
nope, his name is mark melancon
I agree SJ.
Tampa and us are very evenly matched. Whichever team gets their bullpen fixed will be the one likely going to the playoffs.
So it does look as if the Sox are just a better team than the Yankees even though I’d been arguing otherwise (or at least that they were equal). The SP is about on par, though I think the Sox are better : Beckett, Lester, Wakefield, Dice-K and Penny vs. CC, AJ, Joba, Andy, Wang.. In fact, looking at it, the Sox starters are far better (if Wang ever returns to form, the gap closes). Forget the pen – the Yankees pen is truly horrid and Mo is not close to being automatic. I guess you can give the edge on offense to the Yankees, but they live too much on the edge for me………
Summer Bird in the Belmont.
Tough loss. The elimination games always sting. No Rose Bowl for the NYY.
James, if you did that with CC all the time, he’s be throwing well over 100 pitches each time out. His arm has to be protected, too – he’s already thrown multiple games over 120 pitches
Hughes is on the team to be Wang’s caddy. He will be used against Boston in about the 3rd inning when Wang’s sinkers all of a sudden aren’t sinking. They should just save him for that game.
The only way Tampa becomes a threat is if the Yankees let them become one.
Right now, we’ve done a good job of leaving the door open for them. We were up 8 games at one time on them, now it is down to 4. You give a young, hungry team like Tampa a chance to get back in this race, they will, and they will make life hell for us (and Boston).
Tampa shouldn’t be in the conversation with us and Boston. They are a good team, not a great one. But we are doing a good job of handing them games and letting them get back in this race. Beat them the next 2 days, or they will regret it down the line.
Acquiring Street will likely mean giving up a prospect like Zach McAllister. And Street is not worth that.
You’re not getting him for someone like George Kontos.
Besides, Street is not a cure-all for the bullpen.
Betsy, that’s why i didn’t mind taking cc out, bringing mo in. he pitches the 9th and he’s at 120. too many for someone who’s been way overworked the past couple of years. and his october’s have been evidence of that
Street in the AL East is a BAD idea
Folks, They just reached the 1/3 pole of the season…..Pen will need an infusion and sooner than the Deadline…..
Hey Pete do me a favor and ask Girardi when he’s gonna make Cashman trade for another late inning reliever. Time’s up.
Street is a huge upgrade to what they have now. Don’t know what his cost would be but he’s better, much better than anybody but Mo currently residing in the pen right now.
I want Heath Bell on this team. Padres ain’t building around no 31 year old. They are trading Peavy who is younger and more important to the fans and to winning baseball games. They will soon be in sell mode. No excuses Cashman. No excuses. Time is UP!
Another example of Joe Girardi over-managing the game. CC was in a groove and hardly at his pitch limit, he should have stayed in the game. And as weird as it is, Mariano just doesn’t do well in tie games. Why put him in a situation you know he struggles in when your ace is ready to go?
It also didn’t help that the fielding was horrendous and the bats didn’t show up until the game was half over.
Code X, the Yankees haven’t let the Rays in at all. How many games do you want them to win? They’ve gone something like 18-6 in their last 24 games (I could be a bit off, but it’s close). They’re allowed to lose a few games here and there…….
Red Sox are better than us. Both teams are even in the rotation/offense, but the Sox have a significant edge in the pen. Therefore, they are better.
And why is Coke still up here? He is awful
Rachel, that would be an utterly disgraceful way to use Phil – what, once a week? Ugh -
Coke should be the mop up man. For sure.
cause he’s spillin his crap all over the place.
I don’t know who Girardi is going to in the bullpen in the Sox games. Knowing Girardi if the Yanks are winning by a run he will probably go to Mo in the 8th inning with 1 out and expect him to give them 5 outs. Which like we have already seen won’t happen… Ortiz can probably hit Coke he has been so bad.
MO used to get beat with bloopers
Now, he is giving up hard hit balls and extra base hits. His velocity seems to fluctuate from game to game.
He looks like a shell of himself, even from last year.
I get tired of people saying these June games mean nothing.. Every friggin division game against a rival is important especially since the Yanks are 2-9 against Bos/Tampa. I get ridiculed because i’m not positive all the time, but these early games that the Yanks lose will come in to play later on. You can guarantee it!! Mo is not automatic anymore. I hate to say it, but it’s true.
Tex has been everything as advertised. CC has been too, but the outfield defense seems to be an achilles heal for the Yanks after watching Damon butcher some balls out there. Joba has some pressure on him tomorrow to win now.
Brian Cashman – FIX THE BULLPEN – IT STINKS
HOW MUCH MORE OF THIS TO WE HAVE TO ENDURE??!!!
DFA VERAS, SEND DOWN COKE!!!!!
DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!
BULLPEN HELP NOW CALCULATOR BOY
Ortiz must be salivating at the thought of facing our bullpen.
His career is on the brink, now he has a chance to temporary revive it.
I don’t even trust MO against Papi
Coke is WAYYYYYYYY too hittable.
Mo is by far my favorite Yankee, but I wonder if we’re just going to have to deal with these bad streaks during the course of the year. He struggled the last game against Texas even in saving the game and now today. There’s nothing to do but continue sending him out there, but the pen is now even worse with a diminished Mo.
The Yankees have to get more than one person for the pen, but honestly I won’t trust anyone they get.
Mo is by far my favorite Yankee, but I wonder if we’re just going to have to deal with these bad streaks during the course of the year. He struggled the last game against Texas even in saving the game and now today. There’s nothing to do but continue sending him out there, but the pen is now even worse with a diminished Mo.
The Yankees have to get more than one person for the pen, but honestly I won’t trust anyone they get.
Nine times out of nine I let Mo pitch the 9th.
For chrissakes, this isn’t Jose Veras or Dan Wheeler or Aaron Heilman we’re talking about; it’s Mo.
You go to Mo until time and time again he shows you he can’t do it. And despite being a 39 yr old pitcher coming off of shoulder surgery, he’s still better than 95% of the other pitchers out there.
What is the proper course of action when a loss is ‘unacceptable’ – besides refusing to accept it, that is.
Boycott?
Protest?
Petition?
Strike?
Demonstration?
Road trip?
They’ll address the pen. I’m not worried about that. Still no guarantee that however they address it will work out. There, you just cross your fingers, knock on wood, pray and throw salt over your shoulder.
This is a really good Yankees team. They need ARod to play like the season has begun, and not like it’s spring training. Teixeira has been worth his weight in gold. Many things are going well. It is extremely unfortunate that the bullpen, the one area they weren’t really worried about, ended up being, as SJ44 said, the Achilles’ heel. And Boston’s bullpen, same people as last season who stunk, are effective so far. Whoda thunk it?
It’s early; it’s early enough to make changes, adjustments. I’m really not thinking beyond the next game. There’s too many good things going on to really get up in arms about today. Wish they woulda won. Wish CC didn’t throw 2 bad pitches. Wish Mo “had it” today. C’est la vie. Can’t let one game get you down.
GB7 -
Rhett Butler didn’t give a darn. 75% of the people here may not be Scarlett O’Hara, but I’d say they give a darn. However, Rhett Butler also gave up. I don’t think 75% of the people here are giving up. Maybe 45% to 50%. I think most of the people here see how much is left to the season. Then again, I’m the Scarlett O’Hara – the one who sees tomorrow as full of bright possibilities. (Well, most of the time, anyway – people say I live in Da Nile.)
Pat M -
I think Brian Cashman is not twiddling his thumbs; I think the phones are a-working. Too much about this team is too special to let the bullpen screw it up.
Road trip sounds nice.
I’m done with blaming Girardi for any pitching move he makes.
He has no bullpen to go to. Nobody is better than the other guy. Even his closer is no longer a lock. He doesn’t even have confidence in the guy he is sending out there, he just hopes he can find a way to one good outing, then Joe can thank his lucky stars.
This cannot continue much longer. We have the assets. We have the money. Go out and fix it.
“They’ll address the pen. I’m not worried about that.”
What?
WHAT?
W-H-A-T??????!!!!!!
Nick, why is the loss unacceptable exactly?
Cashman is really hamstringing his manager and he is letting his players down by not fixing the pen. His players play their hearts out to come back from deficits almost nightly, only for the pen to give it up again in the next frame.
“He has no bullpen to go to. Nobody is better than the other guy. Even his closer is no longer a lock. He doesn’t even have confidence in the guy he is sending out there, he just hopes he can find a way to one good outing, then Joe can thank his lucky stars.”
Pin this up and FRAME IT because it is the TRUTH
“He looks like a shell of himself, even from last year.”
You mean “even” from last year, when he was easily the best reliever in baseball?
He’s only blown one save all year. And it was a Green Monster special.
“that would be an utterly disgraceful way to use Phil – what, once a week? Ugh -”
I just meant that he will be needed in that game. They aren’t going to treat him like any other reliever and “Torre his arm”. He is probably only available like once every 3-4 days. They don’t need him getting an arm injury because he is pitching differently then he is used to.
Doug: personally, I’ve already accepted it. But it was decribed thusly at the end of the previous thread.
I also read that we were “always inconsistent”. Haven’t figured that one out yet either.
MO has done this about 10 years longer than most people expected him to, all with one pitch.
Regardless of whether or not you want to accept it, we are seeing the beginning of the end. Even during his struggles in years past, he was never hit around like this. He isin’t giving up broken bat bloopers. He is giving up lazers. He has allowed more hits than innings pitched. He has already tied his HRs allowed, with 2\3rds of the season left to go. He rarely has 1-2-3 innings anymore. Most saves this year have been interesting, not the effortless 7 pitch ones that are vintage MO.
All good things must come to an end. MO is still very good. However, he is no longer the ‘best’, nor is he automatic anymore. Teams no longer think “game over” when he comes in.
Bret -
I’m not worried about them addressing the bullpen. Cashman always assesses the season’s weakness and addresses it. I hope you did not think that I meant that I am satisfied with the work the bullpen has done. It’s too inconsistent. You don’t know, day to day, what you’re going to get. They’ve been very good some days. And then there’s days like today, where even Mo couldn’t get it done.
“But it was decribed thusly at the end of the previous thread.”
then, the previous thread is ridiculous
“Bret –
I’m not worried about them addressing the bullpen. Cashman always assesses the season’s weakness and addresses it.”
Calculator boy needs to step up to the plate AHORA
A think a letter writing campaign is in order, Nick.
I would totally give up McAllister for Street. His stuff isn’t that good and Street is a nice young closer.
The previous thread ridiculous!!?!!!
That is unacceptable!
I agree. You write the letters Nick and we’ll sign them.
Doreen, it IS spring training for Alex………..
Cash had better not wait around much longer – if he allows the Rays to improve their pen, then I’m really going to be upset. It doesn’t matter what he thought about the pen before the season – everyone sucks except Mo and Aceves.
I think the Yankees are a very good team too, but they are not as balanced as the Sox. Their flaw is really, really, really bad -and it’s costing the team. Their SP has been fine for awhile, but frankly it hasn’t been as strong as we hoped. CC’s had a very strong stretch of games, but today wasn’t that good (gave us innings which is nice, though). Before the stretch, he was so/so. AJ’s been mostly solid -but nothing great. Andy has not been good recently – Joba’s been up and down and Wang has been….well Wang. The Sox have flaws as all teams do, but they are not terrible in any one area like the Yankees are.
Again, the offense might want to click into gear earlier in games instead of waiting until the latter innings – that will not wash against really good teams.
We’re not anywhere near that point yet— but when do we relieve MO of the closer role?
Does he have to become batting practice in order to do so? Does he just have to be so-so? When do we pull the plug?
If I’m giving up McAllister then I want Heath Bell. I want a sure thing.
Thanks Nick in SF for once again being a voice of reason.
“I would totally give up McAllister for Street. His stuff isn’t that good and Street is a nice young closer.”
have you seen mcallister’s #s. and street hasn’t closed in the AL East
“We’re not anywhere near that point yet—- but when do we relieve MO of the closer role?”
when his contract runs out
“If I’m giving up McAllister then I want Heath Bell. I want a sure thing.”
Whoever does that trade should be fired on the spot till McAllister proves otherwise.
Doreen
June 6th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
GB7 –
Rhett Butler didn’t give a darn. 75% of the people here may not be Scarlett O’Hara, but I’d say they give a darn. However, Rhett Butler also gave up. I don’t think 75% of the people here are giving up. Maybe 45% to 50%. I think most of the people here see how much is left to the season. Then again, I’m the Scarlett O’Hara – the one who sees tomorrow as full of bright possibilities. (Well, most of the time, anyway – people say I live in Da Nile.)
All I’m saying is that every time the Yanks lose or even fall begind 1-0, they don’t care what they’ve don’t during the streaks, they all have heart attacks and whine about the end of times. They lost a game, are still tied for first place after making up 6.5 games in the last 3 weeks and they act like their dog just died. I’ll guve up if the Yanks are a game back with no games left to play…and then, I’ll demand a Florida recount.
Screw it. I would trade McAllister + Melancon for Heath Bell.
We rallied twice against Tampa last time at the stadium too… and lost both games. One by MO and one by Coke.
So we’ve had tie games in the 9th against the Rays the last 3 times we’ve played them and we lost all 3 games (one in the 10th).
In Fenway, the bullpen recorded losses in the 1st two games. And at home against Boston, the pen allowed key tack on runs for Boston when we got to within 1 in both games.
i’m usually mr. negativity, so i can believe i’m going to be the voice of reason. you realize that mo’s pitched 23 times and hasn’t given up a run in 18 of those. and before today, only once in his past 10.
everyone, just take a deep breath and relax.
even fall ***behind*** 1-0, they don’t care what they’ve ***done*** during the streaks
Jobber better step up tomorrow
And it would be nice if the offense steps up tomorrow early on and gives us a lead to work with. Not wait until the 7th inning, then we have to go through this same routine again of exposing this terrible bullpen in a tie game and have to be on our heels.
“Screw it. I would trade McAllister + Melancon for Heath Bell.”
yeah, great attitude. just trade away the future for a good, but not great, reliever
Betsy -
I didn’t read the game thread today – had a lot of stuff to do – but it’s interesting to me that not a lot of attention post-game was given to the fact that CC gave up 5 runs. I don’t care that it was “two bad pitches.” He gave up 5 runs. That’s a lot of runs for an ace to give up. That the offense came back is laudable. But they shouldn’t have had to. And they shouldn’t have to all the time. Although, I do think CC should have pitched the 9th, saving Mo for the 10th, if necessary. Because of the pitch count and the fact that it has been stated that CC could given them over 120.
Anyway, I’m not going to get all weirded out over one game.
Joe Dillon. Joe F’ing Dillon. It is the Carlos Ruiz’s and the Joe Dillons that have been beating us in our recent home losses. You can’t let guys like that beat you. They always say you can’t let the big stars beat you but I disagree with that. The stars are going to get theirs, probably even against you. But when the Joe Dillons of the other team go 4 for 4 with the go ahead RBI, that’s when you lose games. The Yankees have to focus better on getting these crap “role players” out, and then the decision of whether to face Longoria or Upton doesn’t matter because you don’t even get to that situation.
Funny how nobody is blaming CC for blowing two leads for us. Regardless of him going 8 innings, he didn’t pitch well.
If that had been AJ, people would be demanding he go to the pen or sent to the minors and we should have gotten Derek Lowe.
GB7 -
I with ya. It ain’t over till it’s over!
Just didn’t know which side of Rhett Butler you were referring to. He’s a complex dude! Most of the time he stuck with it – it wasn’t till the end that he lost the faith.
GreenBeret7 June 6th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
The bad part is that the numbers have gotten worse since NYY sent him back to Scranton. I’m hoping that it’s coincidence and not because he was pouting.
=================================
I also hope it is just one big old coincidence and he puts up some better outings soon. Thanks again GB7!
Heath Bell is at the pinnacle of his game right now and I would not hesitate to do everything in my power (if I were Cashman) to add the missing piece to a potential championship team. No halfazz trades or internal solutions when it comes to this bullpen. No waiting on prospects when you can win now without them and even in the future without them.
Can we win now with McAllister? no.
with Melancon? no.
with Bell? Yes, of course.
Can we win in the future without McAllister and Melancon? ABSOLUTELY. So you do the trade
I really think Cash needs to start, just start thinking about the next closer. It could really set them back 2-3 years if he doesn’t even start thinking about it this season. To think that Mo could retire at the end of this season or next is not unlikely. Especially if he continues the way he has this season. If Joba isn’t the answer then they need to think who is..
Jesus….there’s too much snot slinging on this board after a loss.
Doreen: It was weird because until the 5th and 6th CC had been absolutely cruising…
But five runs is still five runs.
and Bret, the first time Bell gets hit around since he’s not pitching in the NL West anyone, you going to be asking for his head too?
Rachel i agree and if cashman is not thinking about it he should be fired. How can he not be? Not a chance.
“Jesus….there’s too much snot slinging on this board after a loss.”
yeah, it’s truly unbelievable
The fact that we played .800 baseball and still didn’t put away Tampa is a testament to how good Tampa is rather than how we “let them back in the race”.
Boston is a lock to the playoffs (maybe not division, but playoffs) They are the most complete team of the 3. Best bullpen, great rotation, and certainly will upgrade their offense at the deadline.
As SJ said… Whichever one of the Tampa/Yankees teams fixes the pen will also have a leg up in the race.
Bell is not getting hit around by anyone at this point in his career. He has reached peak performance. He is as close to a sure thing as you can get.
Tom -
I am.
Rachel – After watching Mariano this year, he wouldn’t be doing his job if he didn’t start looking at alternatives/contingency plans for MO.
You’re right, Doreen – CC didn’t pitch well and no one has mentioned that. Tom, you’re right – if that was AJ, he’d be crucified…
Bell also pitches at Petco.
Tom and Doreen,
That is what the bottom line is. Yeah, MO blew it and the rest of the bullpen is awful.
But we had our ace on the mound, handed him a 2-0 lead against a beat up Tampa team with guys we haven’t even heard of and he proceeds to give up 5 runs. We handed him a 2-0 lead, blows it. 3-2 lead, blows it.
Very disappointing outing by CC.
Rebecca -
I know!
I left to go food shopping, secure in the knowledge that CC was absolutely having a fairly easy game.
Oh, well. That’s baseball, I guess.
“Bell also pitches at Petco.”
go tell Bret
Tom June 6th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Funny how nobody is blaming CC for blowing two leads for us. Regardless of him going 8 innings, he didn’t pitch well.
If that had been AJ, people would be demanding he go to the pen or sent to the minors and we should have gotten Derek Lowe.
=====================================
Can’t disagree. It was not the best day for CC.
Heath Bell has a career 3.41 ERA in the NL. He had a 3.58 ERA last year playing in the NL West/Petco. He is already 32 years old.
How in the world is he a good option for us?
Especially over a guy like Street who is 26 with a 2.91 ERA in the AL the past 4 years.
There’s no such thing as a sure thing – and beating up on the weak NL is not the same as beating up on the AL, nevermind the brutal AL East. It doesn’t matter as I don’t think SD is trading him, but didn’t he pitch for the Mets…..and not that well? Anyone the Yankees acquire is a crapshoot….and I have no faith in the kids. Talent is one thing, performance is another.
“How in the world is he a good option for us?”
ask Bret
And now, it’s off to my daughter’s buddy baseball game. I really don’t understand an 8 p.m. game. Oh, well.
I hope I don’t come off as too negative because I think I’m being a realist. Because of the inconsistency of the pitching, I would have to say that the Yanks are the third best team in the AL East behind the Red Sox and Rays. We were able to do well lately because we weren’t playing great teams or we were playing teams that have a hard time against us (e.g., the Rangers). But the Rays and Sox know us, and we can’t hide our pitching problems from them; they will exploit them. My prediction for these six games with the Rays and Red Sox: 2-4.
Again, the team is 8-6 the last 14 games with 4 of the 6 losses by our bullpen.
How many times has this team lost when tied to start the 7th, 8th, or 9th innings?
As a fan, right now I don’t feel comfortable with anyone in the bullpen coming in to hold a lead or save a game. As for Bruney, he hasn’t been healthy for a full season, since we acquired him.
Some of you people are ridiculous it is one loss good lord, For all you people calling girardi and idiot, how come you didnt take the job when the yankees came asking you to manage, ohhhhh thats right cause they didnt. You people act like managing in the big leagues is the easiest fricken thing in the world, 9th inning there is absolutely no question that Mo comes into the game, especially the way he has been pitching. Heaven forbid mo has and off day, ik that bastard how dare he. He is still a top reliever in the game. And shame on any of the fans who were boing Mariano, have a little sense of appreciation for the things that he has done for this franchise. the man is a hall of famer and goes out balls to the wall everytime he takes the mound. so if you booed Mo STFU!Good lord ppl act like this time isnt even out there trying. HERES A NEWS FLASH THIS IS A GAME WHERE U ARE A GOD WHEN YOU FAIL 7 OUTH OF TEN TIMES. No wonder people think Yankee fans are spoiled pricks, we act like it, you dont boo your team you get behind them and try to lift them up. OMG WE LOST A GAME THE SEASON IS DOOOOOOMED DOOOOOOMED I TELL YOU WHY EVEN COME OUT FOR TOMORROW WERE PRLLY JUST GOING TO GET OUR BUTTS HANDED TO US CUZ THE TEAM ISNT LIKE US FANS AND DEMAND PERFECTION AT ALL TIMES. Some ppl need to get a clue about the game of baseball and friggen relax get off the teams sack.
Rachel,
I would hope Cashman is starting to look at life after MO and has a plan. One that doesn’t involve panicking and moving Joba back to the bullpen.
Brian needs to show some creativity.
Doreen
June 6th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
GB7 –
I with ya. It ain’t over till it’s over!
Just didn’t know which side of Rhett Butler you were referring to. He’s a complex dude! Most of the time he stuck with it – it wasn’t till the end that he lost the faith.
————————————————————
Not sure that I could have dealt with Scarlett after the newness wore off, either.
I guess games losses don’t bother me because there’s always been so much more that was important to me…..and I love baseball. I’ve also seen the Yanks of different eras pull titles and games out of thin air. I’ve seen them come from 14.5 games from behind in August and win everything. I’ve seen then fight tooth and nail with the 1960 Orioles and be in back by 2 games with 15 to play and close the season with a 15 game winning streak, including 6 from Baltimore. I’ve also seen them lose 15 of their last 18 in the season and struggle through the playoffs and take out the Mets in 5. Nothing bothers me about baseball.
Tough day for closers today. HR off Lidge ties the Phils/Dodgers game.
what buck nasty said
And, I’d rather they consider Street, who at least has good history in the AL.
And now, ta ta.
Catch ya later!
YanksinMD,
You’re probably going to get blasted here, but I agree with you. We do have holes that have been masked by the late inning magic. Boston is by far the more complete team. We have no bullpen and the rotation has yet to fulfill it’s off-season promise. Wang is a mess, Andy picked up where he left off last year. Joba is a young pitcher who will be up and down. Burnett has been OK. The offense seems to take way too many innings off.
I don’t think we’re a “3rd place team”, but we’re right there with Tampa. Boston is clearly better than both of us.
yes, but Doreen, not in the AL East. totally different ballgame over here
It’s true, CC was on Cruise Control and then suddenly he was Casually Careless.
I’m trying to stay Completely Calm but I’m Certainly Concerned.
It’s hard to Cease Complaining when your ace has a Cerebral Collapse!
Oh, this team is such a team is such a tease! I thought we would win yet another come from behind win.
I hope that CC is not upset. He’s lucky ge got bailed out. And talk about karma. CC was asked about NYS, and he replied with something like it wasn’t a problem with his stuff.
Technical difficulties prevented me from watching the 9th inning. Was it as horrible as it looked on gameday?
Oh, well. Back on the Job(ber) tomorrow.
Go Derek Holland!
GB7 -
Just before I go, I wanted to respond to your last post.
There’s so much season to go. Given the competition the Yankees have for their division, I do not expect them to have a lock on 1st place from now to the end. I expect a lot of ups and downs, a lot of jockeying for position. If they get to the finish line in 1st, I will be ecstatic. But if they don’t, if they have continued to play as exciting a game of baseball as they have been thus far, it will at least have been an exciting season.
All I ever ask is that they are competitive and give it their best. So far they’re doing just that.
Mike,
Well said. Have you ever checked out Boston’s and Tampa Bay’s run differential? It’s much better than the Yanks. The Yanks’ run differential is close, which means they are scoring a lot of runs but are also giving up a lot. At some point, this is going to catch up with them; and I think it will begin to catch up with them over the next six games.
Doug -
As my family pulls my arm out the door – but who IS available that has history as a successful bullpen piece in the AL East??!!!
Doreen, go to your son’s ballgame. much more important than worrying about the yanks
oh, i’ll have a couple of names for you when you get back
The New York Yankees will become the first MLB team to have its games streamed live online within its home market, thanks to a landmark carriage deal YES Network signed with Cablevision earlier this spring.
The streamed games will begin later this season and will be available via subscription to Cablevision’s TV and broadband customers who subscribe to a tier that carries the YES Network, according to several baseball and cable industry sources.
The move is part of an overall renewal of Cablevision’s YES Network affiliation deal that was signed earlier this spring but never officially announced.
The pact also marks the first major effort within baseball for in-market streaming — an issue that has troubled the industry for years. Several clubs that hold equity interest in regional sports networks, such as the Boston Red Sox and Baltimore Orioles, have pressed for in-market streaming to complement MLB.TV’s out-of-market online video package.
http://www.sportsbusinessjourn.....ureId=2194
“CC was asked about NYS, and he replied with something like it wasn’t a problem with his stuff”
If you’re trying to say he thought it was a YS HR, well that’s not accurate.
He said “he hit it well” (Aybar). Aybar stayed back on that change up and likely was looking for it.
The ball was in the LCF gap (visitors pen). It was a legit HR.
People need to realize that the Yankees don’t operate in a world where they can get players by saying, merely, “We’re the Yankees, give us what we want.” Plenty of other teams are in need of bullpen help. Guys like Street and Bell are in demand. And by the laws of supply and demand, their price will be steep.
I don’t anyone would mind Street setting up Mo, but what if the Colorado demands Hughes/Melancon/Montero/AJax? Any takers? They could easily tell Cash they’re getting similar offers from Boston, Tampa, Detroit, etc. Unless you’re dealing with complete dopes on the other end, I would imagine they’re looking at NY and thinking they can jack up the price and Cash will be under pressure to do something.
CC giving up five runs, and without Longoria in the lineup to boot, is inexcusable. We needed a 7 inning 2 run performance. I don’t care if he pitches to the 8th, five runs by our Ace to a division rival is just plain garbage.
It had to happen sooner or later, but Mo isn’t the automatic he once was.
Fan interference, *correct*
“I didn’t read the game thread today – had a lot of stuff to do – but it’s interesting to me that not a lot of attention post-game was given to the fact that CC gave up 5 runs. I don’t care that it was “two bad pitches.” He gave up 5 runs. That’s a lot of runs for an ace to give up.”
CC isn’t pitching like an “ace” for the Yankees. He looks like an average 3rd starter. I can’t understand why fans target certain guys for booing and let someone like CC off the hook. It’s a sad state of affairs when 7 runs can’t get the team a win when the supposed number one “ace” is on the mound.
CC giving up five runs, and without Longoria in the lineup to boot, is inexcusable. We needed a 7 inning 2 run performance. I don’t care if he pitches to the 8th, five runs by our Ace to a division rival is just plain garbage.
Dude pitchers are human 2 even ace Pitchers look at Zack Grienke he got lit up pretty good the other day is he garbage 2. CC has been great lately today was a hiccup in the road, and the Rays actually have a pretty decent hitting team even without Longo in the lineup. it’s baseball these things happen you cant expect perfection every time if you do your going to be sadly dissapointed as a fan. the guys are not robots they are human beings. And how bout giving Aybar some credit for waiting on the changeup and driving it, oh wait it’s willie Aybar so it must have been CC’s fault
Oh, God. The end times are here. The world as we know is crumbling…Not only are the Red Sox winning 1-0 after 2 innings, but the Ortiz slump is over. He has 4 hits in June.
Buck Nasty,
CC has pitched like a third starter more often this season, and for 160 Mil, that’s no bargain.
Fan Interference
June 6th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
Buck Nasty,
CC has pitched like a third starter more often this season, and for 160 Mil, that’s no bargain.
Becasue he makes 160 million dollars he is not allowed to have a bad game. And he most certainly has been pitching like an ace over his last few starts, and most people know that he is a notoriously slow starter much like Teix bit as the year goes on and gets stronger, he is 5-3 with a 3.46 Era and an even better stat for telling about a pitcher a 1.14 Whip he has just about a 2:1 K/BB ratio
GB7 and Doreen:
Bonnie’s death took the fight out of Rhet.
GB7 – I’ve seen it all and felt it all with the Yankees, too.
And what I didn’t directly experience, my older brother and my beloved father communicated so many times that their memories have become so conjunctive to my baseball soul, I sometimes forget I heard them rather than experienced them first-hand.
Let me say this for today’s crowd – which I was among.
They did not boo Rivera. I was so sick at heart that this might happen – & I was at the game where this actually happened, although the number of people booing was negligible, truth be told – and I was certain that, had it happened today, I would never have returned to New Yankee Stadium again.
That’s what being in this post-96 dominated crowd for 12 years has finally done – pushed me over the edge. I feel like I’m in an enemy ballpark half the time, with the booing of Wang of late and the cult phenomenon of booing ARod.
Well, there were no boos. There was a kind of searching, concerned applause.
So I guess some things are still sacred, even in the face of loss, even to THOSE people who are apparently such losers, they can’t even stand to be associated with rooting for a hitter who comes through on Saturday, but who fails them on Sunday.
Pete, I remember when you said the Yanks should have signed him for 6 years not three – well I think he will be fine but three was enough.