The winner, and STILL champion …
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For the first time this season, Mariano Rivera was awarded the championship belt by Commissioner Johnny Damon.
The greatest closer of all time had the belt displayed in his locker like it was the Cy Young Award. After what happened yesterday, retiring the side on 10 pitches was a good feeling. The ability to forget, Rivera said, is what helps make him who he is.
“I would say that’s one of my talents. I would say so,” he said. “I wouldn’t say that separates me from rest of closers because we have a lot of good closers. But I have that ability and I’m thankful.”
Meanwhile, Joe Girardi was asked why he bunted Jeter in the fifth inning. He said it was because Garza is tough against right-handers and they wanted Teixeira and A-Rod to have a chance to drive in the go-ahead run.
Jeter came to the plate 5 of 16 (.313) against Garza in his career with one strikeout. Bunting that player in this park in the fifth inning of a 1-1 game makes little sense. Small ball has its place, but the Yankees aren’t paying Jeter $20 million to bunt in a 1-1 game.
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How about we make this an all-positive thread. They won. Boston Lost. It was a good day.
Mo is my favorite athlete of all time
“Isn’that the movie with Spencer Tracy, Katherine Hepburn, Sidney Portier and Casey Syengel?”
“Casey Stengel ?”
gb 7-
no need to correct spelling . if everyone is like me they’ve learned to translate you by now.
i sped up the process by getting the english (american)(green beret 7) version of rosetta stone.
Just in case you missed it Dutch Hugo…
“And I know you don’t count him out Dutch Hugo, just saying.”
Mo is incredible.
peter does not like bunting in most cases and I just have a friendly disagreement irregardless of what jeter gets paid. jeter is a big DP guy, get the runners to 2nd and 3rd and go from there.
garza has the lowest BA against in baseball he is tought to hit.
anyway the yanks kinda stole one, still need to hit with RISP. Cano showed some patience, miracles do happen……….
Meh, it’s not really a miracle when you’ve come back to win 20 times in just 56 games.
Sounds more like a trend.
i have absolutley no problem bunting jeter there..he is a great bunter and when you have 2nd and 3rd with 1 out and damon and tex coming up, you should score
I’m surprised Girardi called for a bunt on that play.
(I figured Jeter was on his own)
Did Girardi admit he called the bunt play – or was he saying why it was a good play for Jeter to be bunting in that situation?
(the reason I ask – sometimes the question is phrased -”Joe, why bunt in the 5th inning?” – and then Joe basically covers for Jeter)
Hope this is no big deal but the yankees have called up a catcher from their Staten Island team to AA Trenton.
That could mean that Montero is going to be out for at least some time after absorbing that collision at home plate a couple of days ago.
I hope this is unrelated but it’s tough to see how it’s not give that the catcher they called up is a non prospect.
Let’s hope Montero is ok and perhaps can start Dh’ing.
This is the problem with having a potential superstar bat play catcher. The injury risk is very high.
Yeah Girardi is an idiot for having Jeter bunt in the fifth. Oh well, perhaps he will learn from his mistakes
randy l.
June 7th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
“Isn’that the movie with Spencer Tracy, Katherine Hepburn, Sidney Portier and Casey Syengel?”
“Casey Stengel ?”
gb 7-
no need to correct spelling . if everyone is like me they’ve learned to translate you by now.
i sped up the process by getting the english (american)(green beret 7) version of rosetta stone.
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Damned you. You’ve caught me by surprise and I don’t have a smart remark for you.
“Damned you. You’ve caught me by surprise and I don’t have a smart remark for you.”
gb7-
look at it on the bright side. you should be getting residuals anytime now.
the only problem i had was finding a copy of english (american) (green beret 7) rosetta stone .
i solved that problem though by looking under baseball for dummies
Jeter always bunts over runners. Always did, always will.
CB
June 7th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Hope this is no big deal but the yankees have called up a catcher from their Staten Island team to AA Trenton.
That could mean that Montero is going to be out for at least some time after absorbing that collision at home plate a couple of days ago.
I hope this is unrelated but it’s tough to see how it’s not give that the catcher they called up is a non prospect.
Let’s hope Montero is ok and perhaps can start Dh’ing.
This is the problem with having a potential superstar bat play catcher. The injury risk is very high.
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Can’t imagine who’s been called up from Staten Island. Their season doesn’t start for another 3 weeks or so. Jose Gil is playing in the Tampa Yanks game today. I wonder if it isn’t Mitch abeita from Charleston or Kyle Higashioka.
Romine catching some fire in his own right since Montero was promoted to Trenton.
He’s got two more hits today, including his eighth homer, and has driven in 5 runs.
Romine and Montero needed to be separated because they both need to catch everyday and continue to work on their defense, footwork, and calling pitches.
Montero is going to mash wherever he plays and Romine is no slouch, either.
The Jeter bunt play looks a lot worse because he only really gave himself one chance at it. The first pitch was nowhere close, but he offered at it and gave Garza a huge advantage.
I have no problem with the idea since Derek still has that uncanny ability to hit ground balls to middle infielders with a man on first. We haven’t noticed it as much since batting Jeter leadoff has had the desired effect. To this point, the decision to flip-flop Jeter and Damon has been one of the best unheralded moves this year.
GB7,
The catcher called up was Ryan Baker – was in the GCL/ high A last year.
I think he’s technically on the SI roster though I think all of those kids are in Tampa working out.
http://thunderbaseball.wordpre...../#comments
GB-
Ryan Baker to Trenton.
Seth Fortenberry to Tampa.
http://thunderbaseball.wordpre.....t-packing/
cb-
looks like your original theory of wang’s high arm slot being caused by his lower half weakness is proving to be right.
his release point was as low as 6′1″ last game. that’s almost down to what it was when he was right.
Anyone at the game today?
“Romine catching some fire in his own right since Montero was promoted to Trenton.”
He’s got a shot to be a top 5 catching prospect in the game by the end of this season.
What he’s doing right now in the power depressing high A circuit is impressive for any hitter. For a catcher it’s just outstanding.
I only remember four DPs by Jeter all season…I think he’s working it out.
Jeter “always” bunts runners over?
He has averaged five sacrifices a season in his career. So, no, he doesn’t “always” do it. He rarely does. And I would wager that 95 percent of those were in the 7th inning or later. It’s stupid baseball to take the bat out of the hands of one your best players.
seriously…the bunting. let jeter feel out the at bat…although the DP immediately following seemed to be what joe was running from…
A good win. Coming from behind is becoming almost routine for this club. A quality start for Joba and the bulpen does its job…and first place again because the Red Sox lost. A good day, really.
Its really a close call on whether you should bunt — arguments can be made both ways. Seems a little over the top to say its “bad baseball.” Jeter has been a huge double play machine the last couple of years — Girardi seems to have noticed, which is likely part of the reason he is batting leadoff (Jeter had grounded out his first two at bats).
Jeter not pulling his bat back on the first pitch that wasn’t even close to a strike certainly didn’t help and can hardly be blamed on Girardi’s decision to call for the bunt. In the end of course he couldn’t get it down and nearly grounded into a double play anyway.
In most circumstances I don’t like the bunt, here you had 1) a good bunter that had a chance to get a basehit 2) a ground ball hitter that hits into a high number of DPs 3) a tough opposing starting pitcher 4) a 1-1 game 5) the heart of the order coming up.
randy l.
June 7th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
“Damned you. You’ve caught me by surprise and I don’t have a smart remark for you.”
gb7-
look at it on the bright side. you should be getting residuals anytime now.
the only problem i had was finding a copy of english (american) (green beret 7) rosetta stone .
i solved that problem though by looking under baseball for dummies
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LMAO. You’re adding the remarks up and, you’re going to get hurt. I can’t spell or type, but, I have a long memory, Whatever Your Name Is.
Is anyone keeping a tally of who’s been awarded this belt, how often? I’d be curious to see who’s in the lead…
I’m trying to figure out who the Yankees WWE counterparts are.
DJ without a doubt is the Rock.
Mariano is the Undertaker.
Swish is old-school Jericho.
Still thinking about others. When Pete said Joba did an interview with the belt draped over his shoulder, all I could imagine was “Flair For The Gold”.
randy,
I’m just relieved to see Wang looking so good again. His last outing was rough but I was happy with it. As long as the quality of the pitches is there (which is was early on) the consistency will come with arm strength.
It looks like the injury took a lot more out of him than he himself realized.
Just shows you how complex an activity pitching is. And how critical a pitcher’s base is. We focus on the arm all of the time but it’s that base where everything starts. Seaver was always adamant about that.
Wang still looks more over the top to me. Don’t know if it matters too much. But to be honest – in the past couple of outings his sinker has looked as good as I’ve ever seen it. Maybe I’m just forgetting how good he was as he hasn’t pitched in a while.
But his sinker is just disappearing when it’s on the past few appearances. And I can’t remember him getting so many swings and misses on it in the past. Really outstanding quality.
He just needs to continue building his leg strenght and arm strength.
If he comes back right this rotation becomes unbelievable both in quality and depth. AJ looks like he’s coming on.
And with Wang back they really have 7 quality starters – both Hughes and Aceves are excellent backup starters to have.
I don’t like when people bring up Jeter’s salary in this debate. Jeter is being paid $20 million to help the Yankees win games. If bunting helps the Yankees win, that’s what he’s being paid to do. If you don’t like the bunt in that situation, that’s understandable. But Jeter’s salary is irrelevant.
Tom in N.J.
June 7th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
GB-
Ryan Baker to Trenton.
Seth Fortenberry to Tampa.
http://thunderbaseball.wordpre.....t-packing/
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OK, thanks, CB and Tom. I figured that the short season teams were just about to start training. I’m surprised that Ashmore hasn’t updated the injury, yet. I know the organization is reluctant to say anything, bit n educated guess would help…Leg, knee, shoulder? I guess we’ll just have to wait and see who has the wildest rumors.
Don’t bunt him so he can ground into a double play? Yeah smart.
The reason Jeter bunts – He might get a big hit and then what would happen if AJ tried to pie him?
All hell could break loose. There would be the pro-Pie (AJ, Swisher, Damon etc..) and the anti-Pie (Melky, Posada, Jeter)
You can’t have a divided Pie clubhouse. Bunting Jeter is the safest option.
““Romine catching some fire in his own right since Montero was promoted to Trenton.”
He’s got a shot to be a top 5 catching prospect in the game by the end of this season.
What he’s doing right now in the power depressing high A circuit is impressive for any hitter. For a catcher it’s just outstanding.”
i notice romine walks infrequently..is this part of his style ala cano or is it something that can change with maturity
I’m really disappointed in Fortenberry’s and Hilligoss’ slides backwards. Two years ago, they really showed a lot of promise.
@UncleEllsworth
I was…why?
“Swish is old-school Jericho.”
I was thinking Swish is Rowdy Roddy Piper.
Of course, Hank S. = Vince McMahon
I don’t think I’m going out on a limb by saying the Yanks are easily capable of playing .600 baseball from this point to the end of the season.
If they do so, they’ll finish w/97 wins. In the scattershot AL, that’s a # that will get the job done. If one team is going to run away w/the league this season, it’s looking like the Yanks.
He has four double plays all season, right? Is that such a big deal?
“i notice romine walks infrequently..is this part of his style ala cano or is it something that can change with maturity”
Not many young players in the minors do. That’s something he needs to work on. His OBP isn’t very good.
But strike zone command often comes last.
That’s one of the major reasons why Montero is such a rare talent. He’s had outstanding strike zone command from day one.
On the flip side as Romine gets better with his pitch recognition and zone command he’ll continue to hit better and for more power.
He’s a very good catching prospect.
Because hes batting lead off now. If Damon was batting lead off it would be higher. He would have hit into a double play if it wasn’t for Melkys slide.
qwerty
June 7th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
@UncleEllsworth
I was…why?
Thoughts, musings, observations?
Wasn’t it Dizzy Dean who broke his toe in an All Star Game (line drive?), changed his delivery, and subsequently ruined his arm? Cut short a remarkable career.
Well, I work there…so not soaking it all in. But in my expert opinion, it was the quietest it has been all season. I think it has to do with the after effects of the game yesterday. Very quiet. Obviously a happy ending, but a dull game, so to speak.
Jeer having only 4 double plays is why the leadoff switch was such a good move. There is 1 AB per game guaranteed to not be a DP, and with the no. 9 hitter in front of him instead of Damon, much less chance of somebody on in front of Jeter for the rest of the game as well.
I am concerned about hughes not pitching.
something is going to have to be done soon.
he needs to pitch.
Joe,
It was Dizzy Dean who that happened to. Classic story of a leg injury ruining a pitcher’s arm.
He tried to “tough” out the broken foot and it cost him the rest of his career.
I have to agree with Pete about the Jeter bunt. You had a pitcher who lost the strike zone after walking the first two batters and therefore, you should’ve kept the pressure on him to throw strikes instead of giving up an out by bunting in a tie game in the 5th inning.
At times, I question Girardi’s feel for the game and this is one of them.
Oh please.
June 7th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
He has four double plays all season, right? Is that such a big deal?
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Only because he’s leading off. Don’t act like he’s a stranger to ground ball outs. 253 at bats and 111 ground balls (10 infield hits).
“And with Wang back they really have 7 quality starters – both Hughes and Aceves are excellent backup starters to have.”
cb-
aceves is interesting. i enjoy watching him pitch. he’s pitches like a veteran who has been around awhile but still has his good stuff from being young. did he come from the same mexiacn league that pena did?
both of these guys seem very grounded in baseball fundamentals.
gb7-
as long as you can’t remember where your assault weapons are i’m safe
CB
June 7th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
“i notice romine walks infrequently..is this part of his style ala cano or is it something that can change with maturity”
Not many young players in the minors do. That’s something he needs to work on. His OBP isn’t very good.
But strike zone command often comes last.
That’s one of the major reasons why Montero is such a rare talent. He’s had outstanding strike zone command from day one.
On the flip side as Romine gets better with his pitch recognition and zone command he’ll continue to hit better and for more power.
He’s a very good catching prospect.
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He has a lot of defensive flaws. Outstanding arm, pretty decent speed. I think he ends up as a corner outfielder.
Mo is just a remarkable athlete. Of course he’s blessed with great physical ability, but it’s his phenomenal ability to stay calm and cool that is behind is longevity. It’s really astonishing how long this man has been doing his job, and doing it brilliantly. It’s an incredibly high-pressure job that has burned out more than a few men. Mo should have his face on Mt. Rushmore, lol
aceves really is the closest thing to ramiro mendoza ive seen in years….Mo is Mo, at 39 he gets guys out more with his head than his arm now,,,,,you live and die with it, today you knew he meant business right from the start….an all around good day , now lets win tomorrow, keep winning series, keep winning series
Actually, Pete:
Jeter has 75 sacrifice bunts in his career. The breakdown:
First inning: 25 sac bunts
Innings 2-6: 24 sac bunts
Innings 7+: 26 sac bunts
Yankees ahead: 26 bunts
Tie Game: 39 bunts
Yankees behind: 10 bunts
http://www.bb-ref.com/play-index/shareit/9vZ5
“he’s pitches like a veteran who has been around awhile but still has his good stuff from being young. ”
That’s an outstanding description of Aceves. He throws like a classic “junk baller” in that he’s constantly mixing pitches and changing speeds but his stuff is much better than a “junk ballers.” Much better.
Pena didn’t come from the Mexican league. He was signed out of Mexico in the international signing but don’t think he played professionally there.
The yanks just signed a 1b out of the league Aceves played in. Jorge Vazquez who is in AA. He pulled his hamstring but when he was playing he showed something. A ton of power.
He’s one to keep an eye on.
Jeter has his legs this year…I’m all for him batting first, but I do think the DPs would be down regardless.
Bru, I’ve been making that point all day …….
Hopefully Montero is okay. Did anyone see the play where he was leveled? Could he have a concuission?
Also make sure to vote for the Yankees AAA players.
http://bit.ly/IfXA2
Hopefully Montero is okay. Did anyone see the play where he was leveled? Could he have a concussion?
Also make sure to vote for the Yankees AAA players.
http://bit.ly/IfXA2
randy l.
June 7th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
gb7-
as long as you can’t remember where your assault weapons are i’m safe
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I know where the rifles are. It’s the bullets that I can’t find. I wouldn’t waste a bullet on roadkill, anyway.
I thought Cano’s walk was key in the 8th. Huge deal considering he hasn’t been walking much at all.
They bailed out Nelson by swinging at the first pitch or early in the count, but sometimes you have to work these relievers. They’re going to crack sometimes, like today.
Balfour & Howell III almost making me appreciate Veras & Coke. ALMOST.
As for the bunt? No outs? It’s the right baseball move in a tight game against a pitcher that’s tough as nails. Salary shouldn’t be a determining factor. Instead of looking at stats & charts, they’re going to look at a payroll spreadsheet? How disgusted would we have been if he had GIDP?
i agree i dislike the bunt there. gotta win the series tomorrow then roll into boston
PAT M and Randy. A couple of days ago, I mentioned the problems that Romine has had in his games with catcher’s interference errors. He had 6 last year and his third (this year) so far this year. 85 career games, 26 passed balls and 16 errors is not the sign of a good catcher. Perhaps Randy has an answer for the problem. He was, afterall from the days of the barehanded catchers. He’s probably seen everything.
Aceves reminds me of a poor mans El Duque.
I like the ‘all positive’ idea. So I’m going to applaud Matsui for finally finding a productive way to ground out to the second baseman. Congrats!
“I wouldn’t waste a bullet on roadkill, anyway.”
gb7-
whatever you do, don’t hit me in the head. i don’t want to be responsible for you breaking one of your prized antique weapons . i figure anything you have must be an antique.
“the Yankees aren’t paying Jeter $20 million to bunt in a 1-1 game” Usually agree with you, but that’s an idiotic comment to make there, Pete
GB7
I went to the Trenton game at Portland last night. Kyle Anson was the catcher. Seemed to have a decent arm. Not much action in the game to judge him on though. He went 2-4 with an rbi.
Ivan Nova was the SP. Seemed to have good change up and curve. Fast ball seemed average. Little hard to tell about the speed on because the gun seemed off.
Kanekoa Texeria pitched in relief. Pitched well for 2 innings but got in trouble in the 3rd. Gave up a 3 run bomb to Lars Anderson. I think he was tiring at that point.
Edwar Gonzalez played right and has a gun. Almost threw out a runner taking to wide a turn at first on a single.
Jim Lonborg threw out the first pitch.
Had to endure Sweet Caroline.
The day managerial decisions are based on salary will be the day when beat writers are managing teams.
BTW, I had TBS on today.
Wells & Co. couldn’t shut up about NYS and someone mentioned Tex’s broken bat home run. But Wells backed him up on that one.
Anyway, I think the Sox had 2nd & 3rd in one of the innings with Yuk at the plate. 2-2 he not only dives into plate, but he lifts his elbow into the pitch. He started walking towards 1B, but the ump said no way. Of course, Padilla ended up walking him anyway, but they got out with out any further damage. That might’ve been the inning they cut into the deficit with 2 walks, a hit, and an error.
But anyway, it was hilarious. Francona even came out to argue that Yuki got hit. Good stuff.
randy l.
June 7th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
“I wouldn’t waste a bullet on roadkill, anyway.”
gb7-
whatever you do, don’t hit me in the head. i don’t want to be responsible for you breaking one of your prized antique weapons . i figure anything you have must be an antique.
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That blunderbuss with a high powered scope is pretty sweet. I can shoot the eyes out of an elephant with it.
And, know, I didn’t need a dictionary or encyclopedia to look up elephant.
What is the opinion on Posada’s baserunning play in the 8th? It worked out good because Matsui beat the DP, but I thought Posada should have stopped to force the 2B to step on second, or flip to the SS. That would have made sure the DP wouldn’t have happened. Posada was still close enough to second to get there before the throw came back from 1B. Luckily it worked out anyway.
So the “Eiland ordered Wang to change his delivery” blog conspiracy is really dead? That’s it? No ceremony?
I guess I owe Eiland an apology. Not me, per se, but…
“the Yankees aren’t paying Jeter $20 million to bunt in a 1-1 game” Usually agree with you, but that’s an idiotic comment to make there, Pete
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While salary shouldn’t dictate how you deploy a player, ability should. And with Jeter OBPing a robust .387 on the year, you don’t take the bat out of his hands. Sacrificing in that situation decreases run expectancy with an average hitter, and Jeter’s far above average.
Go to any baseball coach and with the situation in the 5th inning it will be unanimous – Bunt. It puts two runners in scoring position. It puts more pressure on the pitcher. California Angels anyone? They do pretty well playing some small ball.
gb7-
i would guess that romine is getting lazy with his body on the passed balls and ole-ing too many balls in the dirt.
they should teach him to block the ball without using a mitt.
i had some very good catching instructors in stan cliburn (red wings triple a manager) and paul casanova( caught neikro’s no hitter). a good defensive catcher has to think of being very active and getting their body in position for whatever they are trying to do.
the other problem a catcher can have is tryng to frame pitches so much that they don’t know when to give it up and flip the mitt and get down with the body and the mitt.
some catchers ride the mitt with the fingers up all the way to the ground trying to pull the low pitch back up.
He grounded into a force out anyway.
“And, know, I didn’t need a dictionary or encyclopedia to look up elephant.”
gb7-
how about “no” ?
MaineYankee
June 7th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
GB7
I went to the Trenton game at Portland last night. Kyle Anson was the catcher. Seemed to have a decent arm. Not much action in the game to judge him on though. He went 2-4 with an rbi.
Ivan Nova was the SP. Seemed to have good change up and curve. Fast ball seemed average. Little hard to tell about the speed on because the gun seemed off.
Kanekoa Texeria pitched in relief. Pitched well for 2 innings but got in trouble in the 3rd. Gave up a 3 run bomb to Lars Anderson. I think he was tiring at that point.
Edwar Gonzalez played right and has a gun. Almost threw out a runner taking to wide a turn at first on a single.
Jim Lonborg threw out the first pitch.
Had to endure Sweet Caroline.
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Greenville (Boston Low A team) sings that, too. They also have a green monster, too. Nothing worse than listening to a bunch of rednecks stumbling through that song with a Southern accent. It makes it worse (or better, depending on your point of view) when they don’t know the words. They do have the phrase “On, no, no” down cold, though.
randy l.
June 7th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
“And, know, I didn’t need a dictionary or encyclopedia to look up elephant.”
gb7-
how about “no” ?
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I was happy to get the rest of it correct.
“So the “Eiland ordered Wang to change his delivery” blog conspiracy is really dead? That’s it? No ceremony?
I guess I owe Eiland an apology. Not me, per se, but…”
it was a well planned subterfuge to draw out what eiland was thinking
How that (insert pejorative label here) ____ ____ Girardi managed to get a job that pays him 3 mil a year and get his team to first place is a question of the ages. All these Bloggers (watering the plastic flowers in the basement) could do much better. How dare he dis His Moliness.
GB7
Was Nova a pitcher you said was one to wacth?
I missed seeing McCallister. He pitched the night before. Pitched well from what I read. 7+ shutout innings.
Last nights game was one of those boring ones without much action.
I will cut you some slack and let it go at that, randy (for now at least), since Livan helped with a few parlays today.
randy l.
June 7th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
gb7-
i would guess that romine is getting lazy with his body on the passed balls and ole-ing too many balls in the dirt.
they should teach him to block the ball without using a mitt.
i had some very good catching instructors in stan cliburn (red wings triple a manager) and paul casanova( caught neikro’s no hitter). a good defensive catcher has to think of being very active and getting their body in position for whatever they are trying to do.
the other problem a catcher can have is tryng to frame pitches so much that they don’t know when to give it up and flip the mitt and get down with the body and the mitt.
some catchers ride the mitt with the fingers up all the way to the ground trying to pull the low pitch back up.
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PAT and I both noticed that he’s slow to shift his feet and his hands are sort of stiff, but, it was the inordinant amount of catcher’s interference calls that he has. 9 in 85 games.
Good win today. I am also very excited about Montero going to AA, I think he is the type of player who could rocket through the system and be here some time next year.
gb7-
you really have a blunderbuss?
i just looked up what they are on wikipedia.
i may have to get more polite.
watch
I used to be a good speller before I started reading GB7’s posts.
Pete should we pay jeter 20 mil to GIDP instead? Because thats what he would have done if it wasn’t for melky’s slide…and what he HAS done more times than not the last few years..
you bunt jeter with runners on 1st and 2nd and less than 2 outs every fricken fracken time (with the yankees down 1 or 2 runs late in games)until he proves he isn’t a gidp machine…
MaineYankee
June 7th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
GB7
Was Nova a pitcher you said was one to wacth?
I missed seeing McCallister. He pitched the night before. Pitched well from what I read. 7+ shutout innings.
Last nights game was one of those boring ones without much action.
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I’ve seen Nova pitch a couple of times in Charleston a few times a couple of years ago, but I wasn’t all that impressed with him back then. He was only about 19 then, however.
*Xavier Nady didn’t make it out of the first road trip of the season before going on the DL. He still hasn’t played a game at new Yankee Stadium.
*Nick Swisher, who has played every day because of the injury to Nady, has just 1 home run at new Yankee Stadium, otherwise known as the New Coors Field.
http://www.wfan.com/It-s-a-Loo.....ntRating=1
gb7-
i’d have to see romine catch to know why he’s having so many catcher’s interferences. that’s kind of strange. i suppose he could be setting up too close or coming out of his crouch too soon on stolen bases.
usually getting hit by the bat once stops you from doing that too often. you can get hurt doing that.
You two need to have a duel.
Blunderbusses at dawn!
To be fair however, Randy should use a Ribauldequin.
MaineYankee
June 7th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
watch
I used to be a good speller before I started reading GB7’s posts.
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LMAO. I’m really in this country illegally. It’s my job to undo all of the higher education displayed on sports boards.
The bullpen is still a problem you cant have Ace everyday pitching 2 innings there is no one else that you can trust to get outs. Cashman needs to make a deal
On the Rays broadcast, they were discussing that the Yanks had interest and discussions with the Twins about Garza, but the Yanks didn’t have a young outfielder to give up, so they dealt with Tampa instead. I hadn’t heard that before, but Garza sure would look good in the Bronx.
response to:
“Jeter came to the plate 5 of 16 (.313) against Garza in his career with one strikeout. Bunting that player in this park in the fifth inning of a 1-1 game makes little sense. Small ball has its place, but the Yankees aren’t paying Jeter $20 million to bunt in a 1-1 game.”
The Yankees are playing its players to win, and that includes Bunting, when they need players to.
Hughes should pitch at least an inning or 2 tomorrow. No matter if Pettite isdoing well or not. So he won’t be out of whack when he relieves Wang.
randy l.
June 7th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
gb7-
you really have a blunderbuss?
i just looked up what they are on wikipedia.
i may have to get more polite.
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Yeah, I do. Along with a couple of black powder mussle loading rifles, a couple of ball and cap pistols a few assault rifles from Vietnam and a couple of Montagnard crossbows with darts from Vietnam.
mark in tampa – i noticed that tag out of posada in the 8th and thought the same thing…very bad running there but posada hasn’t been very smart on the bases lately..the only thing i can think of in his defense is he THOUGHT the 2nd baseman was going to flip it to the SS at second and he was ready to slide in hard to stop the SS from throwing it to first…
anyone see longoria crawl to first? if he plays tomorrow (at 3rd base) we should probably bunt about a dozen times…no?
Those mussle rifles would be pretty rank.
That’s the same as a food fight only different. I’ll go to corner by myself. Thank you.
“The Yankees are playing its players to win, and that includes Bunting, when they need players to.”
Agreed. When you have someone as good as Jeter, that “need” is extremely rare, and most certainly not in the fifth effing inning.
blunderbuss?
one who constantly makes errors?
randy l.
June 7th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
gb7-
i’d have to see romine catch to know why he’s having so many catcher’s interferences. that’s kind of strange. i suppose he could be setting up too close or coming out of his crouch too soon on stolen bases.
usually getting hit by the bat once stops you from doing that too often. you can get hurt doing that.
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Well, that what I was thinking (as hard as that is to believe), too. That he was “cheating” to get to the balls before they got into the dirt, since he has so much trouble with that. I would have thought they’d have corrected that by now, though.
Blunderbuss = Sloppy Kisser
Bo knows
June 7th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Those mussle rifles would be pretty rank.
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Mussle, muzzle, muscle….whatever.
GB which did you like better?
m-16
m-14
AK-47 assuming you fired one.
Uncle Ellsworth (no one’s askin ya how ya doin it just get it done)
June 7th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
blunderbuss?
one who constantly makes errors?
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You don’t know what a blunderbuss is? Look at the weapons that the pilgrims in the pictures carry.
“The bullpen is still a problem you cant have Ace everyday pitching 2 innings there is no one else that you can trust to get outs. Cashman needs to make a deal”
Very true. This team has one weakness and that is the pen.
“I will cut you some slack and let it go at that, randy (for now at least), since Livan helped with a few parlays today.”
nick in sf-
wait a minute. let me get this straight. you are making money off betting for the pitcher that you rode me mercilessly about last year.
that’s just not right.
Okay, this piling on of GB has to stop. Which one do you want me to take on, GB? You and me GB, right. GB???
Hey Pete, you do understand it’s small ball that has put this team into first place right? The home runs have all been complementary during this streak to moving runners, stealing bases, playing good defense and yes, bunting players into scoring position. If a manager is going to embrace such a philosophy – and that was the reason why Girardi was hired, to get back to the small ball that won the Yankees 4 WS titles – then a manager shouldn’t have to refer stack of W2s before he decides if they situations calls for a bunt. There are very few players on the Yankees who are “paid” to bunt.
Don’t be seduced by the home runs Pete, they have a magical way of disappearing in the playoffs when all the 2 bit pitchers are on the golf course. The Yankees need to learn how to score runs without getting hits like they did today – that’s how championship teams win.
Precursor to the shotgun – what do you load yours with? vowels and consonants?
On another note, has anyone checked to see if Aceves’ middle name is Mendoza?
Uncle Ellsworth (no one’s askin ya how ya doin it just get it done)
June 7th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
GB which did you like better?
m-16
m-14
AK-47 assuming you fired one.
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Depends on what I’m using it for. Hate the M16 through M16A2. Lousy weapon. AK-47 and Chicom Assault rifles are great in being simple to clean or firing when Dirty. Love the M-14. Makes a great deer rifle.
“anyone see longoria crawl to first? if he plays tomorrow (at 3rd base) we should probably bunt about a dozen times…no?”
will Joe Torre bunt if Longoria plays tomorrow?
caught the game at the new stadium this afternoon. a couple of things: atmosphere is much, much more reserved than the old stadium. i didn’t dig it, but it’s still a great place to watch a game.
this was the first time i’ve seen joba in person as a starter. i saw him throw a couple games in relief and his stuff was electric. today, it looked positively pedestrian to me. 90-93, not a lot of snap on the breaking pitches. whatever it is that’s causing his fluctuation in velocity as a starter, they need to get it figured out. i’ve been a joba as a starter guy from jump but, honestly, if they can’t figure out a way for his stuff to translate more consistently as a starter, i don’t know that he’s going to be the ace everyone assumes. the question to me is, is it worth sacrificing a lights-out reliever for a pretty good starter. now, that’s assuming they can’t figure out how to get him to generate that same velocity on a consistent basis. if they can, the discussion translates drastically. today, i felt like i was watching just another starting pitcher. not once, not during one single at-bat, did he look entirely in control. maybe against zobrist but that was it. just my 0.02. i still think he should be a starter but they have to figure out how to get him to show up with his good stuff more than once every four or five starts.
matsui’s brutal to watch. just brutal. eighth inning comeback was a gift from the rays.
all in all, i was impressed with the stadium, if not especially the vibe, and not overwhelmed by joba chamberlain, starting pitcher.
Depends on what I’m using it for. Hate the M16 through M16A2. Lousy weapon. AK-47 and Chicom Assault rifles are great in being simple to clean or firing when Dirty. Love the M-14. Makes a great deer rifle.
not to get too specific but was it customary to carry “whatever you liked or could get your hands on” in the field?
Also was the BAR still in use then?
So Jeter’s salary determines whether he should do something for the team as a whole? Makes no sense.
You bunt the two men over, and then let Damon and Teixeira get their hacks in. The propensity for Jeter to hit into double plays makes that the best option in my opinion, without a doubt.
c – don’t get me started with torre and the bloody sock game RE: not bunting…i would have fired torre in his office right after that game…
Here’s an amazing stat – the Yankees have not lost two straight since Alex returned on 5/8. That’s really astonishing when you think about it – the Yankees haven’t allowed a loss to turn into a slide (which would be easy to happen after you come off a stretch of fantastic play – eventually you have to come back down to earth).
Okay you weren’t impressed by Joba today. He gave up some dribblers and walks in the sixth innings pitching in a high stress game tied 1 – 1. Looked like he was going to go seven or eight. The results speak for themselves.
kaseya wrote:
this was the first time i’ve seen joba in person as a starter. i saw him throw a couple games in relief and his stuff was electric. today, it looked positively pedestrian to me. 90-93, not a lot of snap on the breaking pitches. whatever it is that’s causing his fluctuation in velocity as a starter, they need to get it figured out.
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I noticed that Joba snapped at reporters after the game when asked about his lack of velocity. It’s obviously something he’s frustrated with as well.
Here’s the article I got that tidbit from:
http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....?track=rss
Obviously Davidoff was thinking more along the lines of the rational members of this blog instead of with me, lol
ESPN will be doing an interview with Pat Venditte in the next few days. Should be pretty good. Actually, he’s a pretty good pitcher and very unique. Punted with either foot, switch hitter.
Here’s the CBS interview
http://www.wholebrainpower.net/page33/page33.html
“I noticed that Joba snapped at reporters after the game when asked about his lack of velocity. It’s obviously something he’s frustrated with as well.”
he didnt really seem angry when the writer asked him that question all he said is that he doesnt look at the gun
we should trade Matsui as soon as possible maybe to the giants for middle relief
LOL
Rivera gets a PITY BELT!
Sad.
Joba velocity has been down ever since his injury last year. When he returned to the bullpen last year he was not throwing 96-98
Part of being a successful major league pitcher is learning how to win when you aren’t at your best. Well, today might count as such a day for Joba. He didn’t get the W, of course, but one might argue he did his part. Three runs in six isn’t too shabby. Lots of guys would kill for that line. I’m sure the great ones had days like that.
The big thing will be how consistent Joba becomes. If his starts vary between the game against Cleveland and this one, that ain’t bad.
Uncle Ellsworth (no one’s askin ya how ya doin it just get it done)
June 7th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Depends on what I’m using it for. Hate the M16 through M16A2. Lousy weapon. AK-47 and Chicom Assault rifles are great in being simple to clean or firing when Dirty. Love the M-14. Makes a great deer rifle.
not to get too specific but was it customary to carry “whatever you liked or could get your hands on” in the field?
Also was the BAR still in use then
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Yeah, we carried pretty much whatever we wanted. I carried a double barrelled sawed off shotgun for the brush. M-16 rounds were too light and would deflect off of the leaves. The M-60 Squad machine gun (7.62 mm) had relaced the BAR for the most part. That’s been replaced now by a 5.56 mm SAW (Squad Assault Weapon)
C – not a bad idea from our perspective. However, if you’re the Giants, what position would you have him play?
Why would any NL team want an outfielder who can no longer play the outfield?
“GB which did you like better?
m-16
m-14
AK-47 assuming you fired one.”
The M-4, circa. 1996, is the finest all-around assault rifle made. The AK is OK, if it is a well made one. There were millions manufactured by third world countries on license from the Soviet Union that were absolute garbage. I fired several that were captured in the Panama invasion, and I think you would be better off with a slingshot.
“You two need to have a duel.
Blunderbusses at dawn!”
are you crazy!
gb7 probably can’t count any better than he spells.
he’d probably lose track of how many steps to take and shoot me too soon.
“Joba velocity has been down ever since his injury last year. When he returned to the bullpen last year he was not throwing 96-98″
he still has his Velocity it is that it is not always same. Last start he was throwing 95-98 and thats when he usually pitches great but when his fastball is 89-91 he has been killed
C – He was pretty quick to answer, I think mostly because he’s just tired of being asked about it. Joba has been doing just fine this year, it’s just that expectations are very high for him. If Phil Hughes had started this year in the rotation and performed as well as Joba he’d have been defied by now. Most teams would be ecstatic to get 5+ innings of 3 runs or less from their 5th starter.
“C – not a bad idea from our perspective. However, if you’re the Giants, what position would you have him play?”
didnt the yankees say he can play the OF around july? if not maybe they can play him at first
There are good arguments to be made on both sides regarding the Jeter bunting issue.
But there can be no question that Joba’s lack of velocity is a huge problem and it becomes a real question mark each and every time he starts a game. There was nothing special about him today at all. If he’s throwing 90-92 with a rolling breaking ball, guys like that are a dime-a-dozen.
defied =deified
Swisher’s tweet:
“Comeback kids strike again. Awesome game today. Never quit attitude. Amazing”
Manny Banuelos had anther good game in a 4-1 Charleston win.
Banuelos line (W, 4-2): 5.2 innings, 6 hits, 1 run, 1earned run, 1 walk, 4 strikeouts, 0 HRA, 2.81 ERA, 1 WP
Pat Venditte with a perfect inning for the save. 18 saves, 1 BS. 0.72 ERA…2 earned runs in 25.1 innings.
“C – He was pretty quick to answer, I think mostly because he’s just tired of being asked about it. Joba has been doing just fine this year, it’s just that expectations are very high for him. If Phil Hughes had started this year in the rotation and performed as well as Joba he’d have been defied by now. Most teams would be ecstatic to get 5+ innings of 3 runs or less from their 5th starter.”
Yup Mainly because of how dominating he was out of the bullpen people expect him to pitch like that but thats not going to happen this year maybe in the future.
GB rattles off that gun stuff like a pro.
What is the weapon of choice for dealing with RS Trolls?
randy l.
June 7th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
“You two need to have a duel.
Blunderbusses at dawn!”
are you crazy!
gb7 probably can’t count any better than he spells.
he’d probably lose track of how many steps to take and shoot me too soon.
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No such thing as “too soon”. Too late is a serious issue, though.
out of 33 wins 20 are come from behind wins that is way too much
“What is the weapon of choice for dealing with RS Trolls?”
Tactular nuclear weapon
Hey everyone.
I was at the game today and they won, I know, what a shocker.
The thing that got to me? People actually LEFT after it became 3-1 Rays. Like…seriously?
All changed in the 8th though; you could feel the energy. Once Canó walked we knew it was in the bag.
i know this is way too early but i would not mind a texas-yankees ALDS
His contract says *baseball player*, not non-bunter! Wake up and smell the coffee.
Joba velocity is fine he was consistently hitting 91-94 today. He did hit 95 96 a couple of times. He was pitching very well today and then had a bad 6th inning. But he did a nice job in the 6th only giving up 2 runs and not 4. If that was Andy Pettitte in the 6th people would keep going on how great he battled that inning and kept the game close.
Joba doesn’t need to throw consistently at 97-98 to be a great starting pitcher. He has 4 plus pitches. Beckett throws his fastball between 92-95.
Great opening to the Tony Award show.
And I guess I’m just a crazy optimist, but if Joba gives a ‘quality start’ without his A game, that’s not so bad, is it?
Unless someone thinks he’s deliberately or subconsciously holding a lot back, the stuff he had today wouldn’t be 8th-inning lockdown, would it? Like it was the last time he saw action in the 8th…
“Texas-Yankees ALDS”
I’m still not convinced the Rangers will hold off the Angels in that division.
Congratulations, Rebecca!
Nick: I know, right?
The thing is, Joba had no control today. I mean, none. He was behind, it seemed on every batter, and still he left the game and the Rays had only scored three.
That, in my mind, is when you really know you’ve got something special on your hands.
And randy, I didn’t do anything mercilessly. Everything I said was with mercy.
Livan is a good value bet now. The odds are always nice because he’s such a bad pitcher.
I didn’t even realize the Tony Awards were on. NPH hosting? Fun
Magic/Lakers-Go Magic
Phillies/Dodger-Get em Bastardo
Rebecca -
With the Yankees’ newly renewed propensity for coming from behind, you have to wonder what all the early departers were thinking, or where they were going. Perhaps to the Tony Award show at Radio City??
Doreen: Indeed. I couldn’t believe it.
C June 7th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
“I noticed that Joba snapped at reporters after the game when asked about his lack of velocity. It’s obviously something he’s frustrated with as well.”
he didnt really seem angry when the writer asked him that question all he said is that he doesnt look at the gun
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It could also be he is tired about hearing this nonsense of Jobber to the pen. He wants to be a starter. And so far this year he has proven he can be a starter. At first maybe it was amusing, now it is downright annoying. I can’t blame him if he snaps. One of the reasons the Jobber to the pen people point out is that his velocity is down.
Not saying anything about Joba because I didn’t see most of the game thanks to poor streaming.
But in one of the innings I was following via gameday, I did notice that his fastball was around the 92 mph mark and he was throwing a lot of other stuff.
But in the early going, it didn’t seem to hurt him as much as his own offense did.
So Joba used to be amused and now he’s annoyed?
He needs to take a cue from Elvis Costello:
“Oh I used to be disgusted
Now I try to be amused”
always have to question something…
as for the jeter bunt…giradi is trying to manage a certain way. this includes hit and run, stealing bases and bunting people over. it’s still the first 3rd of the season, let girardi try to get the team thinking the same way he is. jeter is one of our best bunters and that’s a perfect situation to bunt the guys over. especially with who was coming up behind him – the run producers on the team.
so was this really a decision from girardi that needed this much attention or is it just another sensationalist opportunity for the media? did you follow up with jeter and ask him his reaction for bunting in that spot? did anyone ask jeter “if you were the manager, would you make the same decision?”
Nick – Is that from Elvis? Not a bad piece of philosophy. I think I’ll try that at work, to help me get through the day. It will rank up there with some of my other favorites, such as “You can’t always get what you want, but if you try, sometimes, you get what you need”, and “Do the right thing!”
“Livan is a good value bet now. The odds are always nice because he’s such a bad pitcher”
nick in sf-
you have to admit that you didn’t know what a good bad pitcher he was until i turned you on to him
the thing that’s scary is that livan is younger than jeter and will probably be pitching another 7 years or so.
he can’t get any slower.
DT – OPPC member (it’s in our blood)
June 7th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
GB rattles off that gun stuff like a pro.
What is the weapon of choice for dealing with RS Trolls?
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I always found actual facts made RS trolls shrivel up and die….just like puuting salt on leeches (pretty good anology, huh)? Make sure you don’t use RS facts, though. That will only make them grow to gigantic sizes.
“He has averaged five sacrifices a season in his career. So, no, he doesn’t “always” do it. He rarely does. And I would wager that 95 percent of those were in the 7th inning or later. It’s stupid baseball to take the bat out of the hands of one your best players.”
How many DPs he hit into?
That is what Joe was trying to stay away from given the meat of the order coming up. Jeter has a strong history of hitting into DPs at inopportune times. It is not stupid baseball. Who cares how much he makes.
just like ****putting*** salt on leeches
Is is from Elvis (Costello) but another line in the song is:
“I said ‘I’m so happy I could die’
She said ‘Drop dead” then left with another guy
That’s what you get when you go chasing after vengence
But since you got me punctured this has been my sentence”
Take from that what you will.
Perhaps a reporter would like to know and actually ask Girardi and Jeter. It has always been Jeter’s choice to bunt (over the last 10 years).
good point about the DP stat BBFan.
i wonder what the paycheck cutoff is for being allowed to bunt? $4 mil? $5 mil?
GB7,
I was surprised at Pete’s persistence here. Jeter has always been the most willing participant on the Yankees in these situations.
GB7,
I was surprised at Pete’s persistence here. Jeter has always been the most willing participant on the Yankees in these situations.
You used to be so amused
At Napoleon in rags and the language that he used
I dont blame Joba for getting annoyed with questions about his velocity. He hears that from reporters after every game it must get annoying. When Joba pitched that great game against the Tigers, after the game on baseball tonight Steve Phillips was saying that Joba wasn’t hitting 97 if he cant be Roger Clemens power type pitcher he needs to go back to the bullpen. That must get really annoying especially after pitching a good game.
m
June 7th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
GB7,
I was surprised at Pete’s persistence here. Jeter has always been the most willing participant on the Yankees in these situations.
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Torre was asked about Jeter’s bunting a few years ago, and Torre said that he’s on his own because he knows baseball…same with stealing bases. Jeter’s bunting has gotten worse over the last few years, He always tries to bunt it well enough to get hits out of it, bunting for hits and sac bunting are two entirely techniques.
I thought Jeter bunting was a good play. Avoid the double play. Jeter did a terrible job though. Yankee fans complain both ways, when they dont bunt and dont play some smallball people complain they are always waiting for the homerun and never manufacture runs. When they do bunt they complain its the american league dont take yourself out of the big inning.
His contract says *baseball player* not Moneyball disciple. Wake up and smell the coffee!
Nick,
LOL. Last night I was thinking that I want to see mo’s contract. Does it say baseball player or G.O.A.T.?
Only Matt Garza’s contract says goat.
Jayare
June 7th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Joba velocity is fine he was consistently hitting 91-94 today. He did hit 95 96 a couple of times. He was pitching very well today and then had a bad 6th inning. But he did a nice job in the 6th only giving up 2 runs and not 4. If that was Andy Pettitte in the 6th people would keep going on how great he battled that inning and kept the game close.
Joba doesn’t need to throw consistently at 97-98 to be a great starting pitcher. He has 4 plus pitches. Beckett throws his fastball between 92-95.
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Herein lies the problem. Joba is “fine” when he’s throwing 91-92. He is great when he’s throwing 94-95, and elite when he’s up at 97-98.
Joba was not consistently hitting 94 today. He got there a couple of times, but he was consistently at 91-92. That’s what is alarming to us folks paying attention to his velocity.
It’s promising that on a day when Joba doesn’t have his best stuff, he’s still putting the team in a position to win games. That’s part of what makes him so exciting.
Does he have to be at 97-98 the whole game? He’s proven that he doesn’t. But there’s a clear difference in results in games like today, when he averaged 92 for most of the game, and a game like last game when he’s averaging at 94-95 most of the game. That’s when he’ll miss more bats and go 7 or 8 innings.
When he’s throwing 91-92, his plus pitches aren’t very plus. For him to develop into the ace we all want, they need to figure out his inconsistent velocity.
Joe Torre is in a lousy division,but the last two days his team has handled the Phillies,somethng the Yankees didn’t do.
*Congrats Mr T*
About Joba,he is *building arm strength give him time* .
*Joba moved through the minors just last year*.
Going into the sixth,he was @74 pitches, his counterpart was clocking @96.Each outing he’s getting better.
*He did better than the *so called ACE today,by only* *allowing only 3 runs and giving the YANKEES a CHANCE to win*
“the Yankees aren’t paying Jeter $20 million to bunt in a 1-1 game”
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my vote for worst post of the day. sorry pete.
salary has nothing to do with it. if the right play is to bunt, Girardi will have him bunt.
also, if it were Halladay would you have bunted? Runs don’t come easy against the best pitchers. If you don’t think Garza qualifies, fine… but many people would disagree with you. He’s darn good. Score the runs any way you can.
The “I hate bunting” jag is one of the more annoying and tone deaf arguments of the sabermetic-nerd brigade. There are times when playing for a run (or two) trumps the mathematical advantages of swinging away. Personally, I’ll trust Jeter’s instincts in that spot and his feel for the rhythm of the game over some pencil-neck’s pie charts.
I’m sure the same “experts” would scoff at bunting in the first inning of a game, and yet Jeter’s moving Rock Raines into scoring position in Game 3 in ‘96, and letting us play from in front for the first time in 18 innings, was one of the biggest plays of that Series.
“the Yankees aren’t paying Jeter $20 million to bunt in a 1-1 game”, hmm, does it mean we can only bunt Cervellie, Melky and Gardener?
Mariano is one of the most reliable, efficient and consistent Closer of all time. But even at his latter stages of his career (39-years-old, Mariano remains one of the best and most consistent Closer in MLB.
Mo, never make excuses, specially when they asked him about his physical condition. His fastball, cutter, speed is getting better, and no doubts, that Mo arm is getting stronger as the season progresses.
Congratulations, Mariano from Panama, keep doing it over and over again; Arriba Mo, you are the best.
With runners on 1st & 2nd & NO outs you HAVE to bunt Jeter. He has become an automatic double-play machine in these situations. The last couple of yrs he has been one of the MLB leaders in GIDP. In fact, after he failed to get the bunt down, he hit it right to the 2nd baseman. Had it not been for Melky’s takeout slide, it would have been another GIPD taking us out of a potential big inning.
Kaseya: One can tell how Joba is pitching by his body posture. The last game he won was a 10 and yesterday he was a 7. He kept them in the game tho by only giving up 3 runs which is the amount that most teams can still expect to win.
Joba was not well yesterday, you could see it on his face. Mo had picked up a bug so maybe that is where he got it. Neither will use illness as a reason for a loss.
Another poster said that Joba does not get hit hard. Notice the easy fly outs yesterday. The ground outs aren’t hit too hard either.
This guy is a keeper. Please don’t make judgment on one game. Do you remember the 13 SO game he had. After the bad first inning, he settle down and started striking batters out. It seemed as tho, anything he pitched was a strike. That is the 10 Joba. He is only 23, so we all need to be patient with him.