Comments on: The winner, and STILL champion … http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/06/07/the-winner-and-still-champion-of-the-world/ A New York Yankees blog by Sam Borden, Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News Fri, 19 Mar 2010 05:58:41 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Sarah http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/06/07/the-winner-and-still-champion-of-the-world/comment-page-4/#comment-837296 Sarah Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:59:10 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=12508#comment-837296 Kaseya: One can tell how Joba is pitching by his body posture. The last game he won was a 10 and yesterday he was a 7. He kept them in the game tho by only giving up 3 runs which is the amount that most teams can still expect to win. Joba was not well yesterday, you could see it on his face. Mo had picked up a bug so maybe that is where he got it. Neither will use illness as a reason for a loss. Another poster said that Joba does not get hit hard. Notice the easy fly outs yesterday. The ground outs aren't hit too hard either. This guy is a keeper. Please don't make judgment on one game. Do you remember the 13 SO game he had. After the bad first inning, he settle down and started striking batters out. It seemed as tho, anything he pitched was a strike. That is the 10 Joba. He is only 23, so we all need to be patient with him. Kaseya: One can tell how Joba is pitching by his body posture. The last game he won was a 10 and yesterday he was a 7. He kept them in the game tho by only giving up 3 runs which is the amount that most teams can still expect to win.

Joba was not well yesterday, you could see it on his face. Mo had picked up a bug so maybe that is where he got it. Neither will use illness as a reason for a loss.

Another poster said that Joba does not get hit hard. Notice the easy fly outs yesterday. The ground outs aren’t hit too hard either.

This guy is a keeper. Please don’t make judgment on one game. Do you remember the 13 SO game he had. After the bad first inning, he settle down and started striking batters out. It seemed as tho, anything he pitched was a strike. That is the 10 Joba. He is only 23, so we all need to be patient with him.

]]> By: sharkdaddy http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/06/07/the-winner-and-still-champion-of-the-world/comment-page-4/#comment-837134 sharkdaddy Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:43:06 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=12508#comment-837134 With runners on 1st & 2nd & NO outs you HAVE to bunt Jeter. He has become an automatic double-play machine in these situations. The last couple of yrs he has been one of the MLB leaders in GIDP. In fact, after he failed to get the bunt down, he hit it right to the 2nd baseman. Had it not been for Melky's takeout slide, it would have been another GIPD taking us out of a potential big inning. With runners on 1st & 2nd & NO outs you HAVE to bunt Jeter. He has become an automatic double-play machine in these situations. The last couple of yrs he has been one of the MLB leaders in GIDP. In fact, after he failed to get the bunt down, he hit it right to the 2nd baseman. Had it not been for Melky’s takeout slide, it would have been another GIPD taking us out of a potential big inning.

]]> By: moisesfrompanama http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/06/07/the-winner-and-still-champion-of-the-world/comment-page-4/#comment-836608 moisesfrompanama Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:07:36 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=12508#comment-836608 Mariano is one of the most reliable, efficient and consistent Closer of all time. But even at his latter stages of his career (39-years-old, Mariano remains one of the best and most consistent Closer in MLB. Mo, never make excuses, specially when they asked him about his physical condition. His fastball, cutter, speed is getting better, and no doubts, that Mo arm is getting stronger as the season progresses. Congratulations, Mariano from Panama, keep doing it over and over again; Arriba Mo, you are the best. Mariano is one of the most reliable, efficient and consistent Closer of all time. But even at his latter stages of his career (39-years-old, Mariano remains one of the best and most consistent Closer in MLB.

Mo, never make excuses, specially when they asked him about his physical condition. His fastball, cutter, speed is getting better, and no doubts, that Mo arm is getting stronger as the season progresses.

Congratulations, Mariano from Panama, keep doing it over and over again; Arriba Mo, you are the best.

]]> By: Wei http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/06/07/the-winner-and-still-champion-of-the-world/comment-page-4/#comment-836568 Wei Mon, 08 Jun 2009 04:44:03 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=12508#comment-836568 “the Yankees aren’t paying Jeter $20 million to bunt in a 1-1 game", hmm, does it mean we can only bunt Cervellie, Melky and Gardener? “the Yankees aren’t paying Jeter $20 million to bunt in a 1-1 game”, hmm, does it mean we can only bunt Cervellie, Melky and Gardener?

]]> By: randyhater http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/06/07/the-winner-and-still-champion-of-the-world/comment-page-4/#comment-836465 randyhater Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:45:32 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=12508#comment-836465 The "I hate bunting" jag is one of the more annoying and tone deaf arguments of the sabermetic-nerd brigade. There are times when playing for a run (or two) trumps the mathematical advantages of swinging away. Personally, I'll trust Jeter's instincts in that spot and his feel for the rhythm of the game over some pencil-neck's pie charts. I'm sure the same "experts" would scoff at bunting in the first inning of a game, and yet Jeter's moving Rock Raines into scoring position in Game 3 in '96, and letting us play from in front for the first time in 18 innings, was one of the biggest plays of that Series. The “I hate bunting” jag is one of the more annoying and tone deaf arguments of the sabermetic-nerd brigade. There are times when playing for a run (or two) trumps the mathematical advantages of swinging away. Personally, I’ll trust Jeter’s instincts in that spot and his feel for the rhythm of the game over some pencil-neck’s pie charts.

I’m sure the same “experts” would scoff at bunting in the first inning of a game, and yet Jeter’s moving Rock Raines into scoring position in Game 3 in ‘96, and letting us play from in front for the first time in 18 innings, was one of the biggest plays of that Series.

]]> By: Boston Dave (in St Paul, MN) - OPPC member http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/06/07/the-winner-and-still-champion-of-the-world/comment-page-4/#comment-836446 Boston Dave (in St Paul, MN) - OPPC member Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:10:45 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=12508#comment-836446 "the Yankees aren’t paying Jeter $20 million to bunt in a 1-1 game" -------- my vote for worst post of the day. sorry pete. salary has nothing to do with it. if the right play is to bunt, Girardi will have him bunt. also, if it were Halladay would you have bunted? Runs don't come easy against the best pitchers. If you don't think Garza qualifies, fine... but many people would disagree with you. He's darn good. Score the runs any way you can. “the Yankees aren’t paying Jeter $20 million to bunt in a 1-1 game”

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my vote for worst post of the day. sorry pete.

salary has nothing to do with it. if the right play is to bunt, Girardi will have him bunt.

also, if it were Halladay would you have bunted? Runs don’t come easy against the best pitchers. If you don’t think Garza qualifies, fine… but many people would disagree with you. He’s darn good. Score the runs any way you can.

]]> By: vic http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/06/07/the-winner-and-still-champion-of-the-world/comment-page-4/#comment-836395 vic Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:36:39 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=12508#comment-836395 About Joba,he is *building arm strength give him time* . *Joba moved through the minors just last year*. Going into the sixth,he was @74 pitches, his counterpart was clocking @96.Each outing he's getting better. *He did better than the *so called ACE today,by only* *allowing only 3 runs and giving the YANKEES a CHANCE to win* About Joba,he is *building arm strength give him time* .
*Joba moved through the minors just last year*.

Going into the sixth,he was @74 pitches, his counterpart was clocking @96.Each outing he’s getting better.

*He did better than the *so called ACE today,by only* *allowing only 3 runs and giving the YANKEES a CHANCE to win*

]]> By: vic http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/06/07/the-winner-and-still-champion-of-the-world/comment-page-4/#comment-836353 vic Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:17:35 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=12508#comment-836353 Joe Torre is in a lousy division,but the last two days his team has handled the Phillies,somethng the Yankees didn't do. *Congrats Mr T* Joe Torre is in a lousy division,but the last two days his team has handled the Phillies,somethng the Yankees didn’t do.
*Congrats Mr T*

]]> By: BJK http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/06/07/the-winner-and-still-champion-of-the-world/comment-page-4/#comment-836340 BJK Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:01:52 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=12508#comment-836340 Jayare June 7th, 2009 at 8:11 pm Joba velocity is fine he was consistently hitting 91-94 today. He did hit 95 96 a couple of times. He was pitching very well today and then had a bad 6th inning. But he did a nice job in the 6th only giving up 2 runs and not 4. If that was Andy Pettitte in the 6th people would keep going on how great he battled that inning and kept the game close. Joba doesn’t need to throw consistently at 97-98 to be a great starting pitcher. He has 4 plus pitches. Beckett throws his fastball between 92-95. -------------------------------------------------------- Herein lies the problem. Joba is "fine" when he's throwing 91-92. He is great when he's throwing 94-95, and elite when he's up at 97-98. Joba was not consistently hitting 94 today. He got there a couple of times, but he was consistently at 91-92. That's what is alarming to us folks paying attention to his velocity. It's promising that on a day when Joba doesn't have his best stuff, he's still putting the team in a position to win games. That's part of what makes him so exciting. Does he have to be at 97-98 the whole game? He's proven that he doesn't. But there's a clear difference in results in games like today, when he averaged 92 for most of the game, and a game like last game when he's averaging at 94-95 most of the game. That's when he'll miss more bats and go 7 or 8 innings. When he's throwing 91-92, his plus pitches aren't very plus. For him to develop into the ace we all want, they need to figure out his inconsistent velocity. Jayare
June 7th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Joba velocity is fine he was consistently hitting 91-94 today. He did hit 95 96 a couple of times. He was pitching very well today and then had a bad 6th inning. But he did a nice job in the 6th only giving up 2 runs and not 4. If that was Andy Pettitte in the 6th people would keep going on how great he battled that inning and kept the game close.

Joba doesn’t need to throw consistently at 97-98 to be a great starting pitcher. He has 4 plus pitches. Beckett throws his fastball between 92-95.

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Herein lies the problem. Joba is “fine” when he’s throwing 91-92. He is great when he’s throwing 94-95, and elite when he’s up at 97-98.

Joba was not consistently hitting 94 today. He got there a couple of times, but he was consistently at 91-92. That’s what is alarming to us folks paying attention to his velocity.

It’s promising that on a day when Joba doesn’t have his best stuff, he’s still putting the team in a position to win games. That’s part of what makes him so exciting.

Does he have to be at 97-98 the whole game? He’s proven that he doesn’t. But there’s a clear difference in results in games like today, when he averaged 92 for most of the game, and a game like last game when he’s averaging at 94-95 most of the game. That’s when he’ll miss more bats and go 7 or 8 innings.

When he’s throwing 91-92, his plus pitches aren’t very plus. For him to develop into the ace we all want, they need to figure out his inconsistent velocity.

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