Game 59: Yankees at Red Sox
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YANKEES (34-24)
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Cano 2B
Posada C
Matsui DH
Swisher RF
Cabrera CF
Pitching: RHP Chien-Ming Wang (0-3, 14.46).
RED SOX (34-24)
Pedroia 2B
Drew RF
Youkilis 1B
Bay LF
Lowell 3B
Ortiz DH
Kotsay CF
Green SS
Kottaras C
Pitching: RHP Tim Wakefield (7-3, 4.50).
TIME/TV: 7:10 p.m., YES.
THE STREAK LIVES: The Yankees are 0-6 against Boston this season, getting outscored 45-27. They have lost seven straight against Boson dating back to last season. That is the longest such streak since the Red Sox beat the Yankees seven straight starting at the end of the 1984 season and going into 1985.
The Red Sox beat the Yankees 14 straight from April 11-July 1, 1912.
WANG MORE TIME: Chien-Ming Wang had a shaky return to the rotation on June 4, allowing five runs on seven hits over 4.2 innings. Now he’ll be working on five days of rest. Wang threw two bullpens to try and maintain his stuff. CMW is 6-5, 4.82 in 14 career games against Boston, 3-3, 5.11 at Fenway Park.
Wang has not faced the Red Sox since April 16, 2008 when he allowed eight runs in four innings. In the five days prior to that, he allowed one run over nine innings. He is 4-1, 4.53 in his last six starts against Boston.
OLD FOE: This will be the 33rd start Tim Wakefield will make against the Yankees. He is 10-17 with a 5.03 ERA in his career. He has more losses against the Yankees than any other team.
MOVE OVER GEORGE: Derek Jeter has 423 doubles. He needs one more to match Babe Ruth for fourth place in team history.
SLOPPY SEVEN: The Yankees have committed at least one error in the last seven games. Alex Rodriguez has three of those miscues.
MELKY MAN STRUGGLES: Melky Cabrera is 4 for 28 (.143) since missing nearly all of five games with a bruised shoulder.
AND HE REMAINS ON THE TEAM WHY EXACTLY? Jose Veras has thrown 23.2 innings this season. He has put 38 runners on base via hit, walk or HBP. He has allowed three homers in his last 4.1 innings.
PLUNK: The Yankees have hit at least one Boston batter with a pitch in all six games this season and in nine straight dating back to last season.
PEN MEN: Boston’s bullpen has allowed one earned run in its last 17.1 innings.
SMALL DROUGHT: A-Rod has one home run in his last 15 games. He is 4 of his last 24 (.167).
Back with much more later.
UPDATE, 5:37 p.m.: CMW’s wife is due to give birth to their first child any day now in New York. But all was fine as of this afternoon and the Wanger was in front of his locker this afternoon with a dip in as he looked as scouting reports. The Wangs are having a boy and trust me when I tell you, this is big, big news in Taiwan.
Xavier Nady will join the Yankees on Friday to workout over the weekend. Then they’ll figure out where to send him for some games. … Weather permitting, Brian Bruney will face some hitters at Fenway in a simulated game tomorrow. Then he could make a rehab appearance someplace on Saturday.
UPDATE, 6:33 p.m.: Quickie draft recap from Day Two: The Yankees took 25 players, 14 of them pitchers. Eleven of those were college pitchers with six of them lefties.
. Twelve of them were college pitchers, half of those lefties. They only took three high school players.
UPDATE, 7:10 p.m.: We’re underway here in Boston. 57 degrees at first pitch.
UPDATE, 7:13 p.m.: Interesting, Tex hits right-handed against Wakefield. He was hitting .207 against the knuckleballer before that single.
UPDATE, 7:19 p.m.: No Jacoby Ellsbury today and probably not tomorrow for Boston as he recovers from a shoulder injury. … Oh, and Happy Birthday to Boston Globe beat writer Amalie Benjamin, who has relatives in Westchester.
UPDATE, 7:25 p.m.: Contrary to what you may have read or heard elsewhere, Wang has not asked to leave during the game if his wife goes into labor. He’s pitching tonight, period. There is no plane waiting for him or anything like that. She is due this week, she is not in labor. Girardi waa more or less kidding when he said Wang could leave. It never came up.
UPDATE, 7:33 p.m.: This is ugly as Wang has allowed a run on three walks and hit and is behing Kotsay 3-1. Robertson warming up already.
UPDATE, 7:34 p.m.: Wang may have been one pitch away from losing his job but he came back from a 3-0 count to get Kotsay to ground to second. He threw 29 pitches in that innning.
UPDATE, 7:40 p.m.: Posada helps his battery mate by homering. Now the Yankees have runners on the corners thanks to a bad call at first base.
Then as I write this, Swisher is doubled off. Guess it evened out.
UPDATE, 7:42 p.m.: Meanwhile, the Yankees are bunting at Fenway Park in the second inning of a 1-0 game? What exactly is the thinking there? Let Nick Swisher swing the bat. They traded for him because of his power potential, not so he could give himself up.
UPDATE, 7:51 p.m.: How much longer can the Yankees tolerate this from Wang? He can’t throw a strike and when he does, it gets hit.
They need to get Hughes in the game and try and make something of this night. Not sure what they do with Wang at this point. It’s a disaster.
Of course, it would help if Nick Swisher could catch a fly ball.
UPDATE, 8:01 p.m.: Wang is not injured. He has hit 96 several times tonight. He has not “lost it” or anything like that. Somebody — and that would be Dave Eiland — needs to figure out what adjustment is needed for him to throw strikes consistently. The Yankees might want to have Ron Guidry come in and take a look. He had a good rapport with Wang for whatever reason.
UPDATE, 8:06 p.m.: Yankees have left three runners stranded in scoring position already.
UPDATE, 8:09 p.m.: Not sure what there is left to say. Wang is at a career crossroads at this point. He is out of options, he apparently isn’t injured and he can’t pitch remotely like he used to. I can’t imagine the Yankees DFA him and what trade value could he have? But they can’t keep running him out there if he’s going to pitch like this.
UPDATE, 8:18 p.m.: That’s it for Wang. 2.2 innings, six hits and three walks. Another disaster. Meanwhile, so much for Joe Girardi saying he would “never” bring Phil Hughes in during the middle of an inning. Why in the world are they messing with this guy’s arm?
UPDATE, 9:03 p.m.: The Yankees have managed to go 2 for 9 with RISP and leave four runners stranded in scoring position in five innings. They’re actually hitting Wakefield pretty well. But he needs only to go another inning to do his job.
Wang as a starter: 13.1 innings, 36 hits, 11 walks, 30 earned runs. That’s a 20.25 ERA.
UPDATE, 9:18 p.m.: The Red Sox are 24-10 with Nick Green at shortstop. That’s quite a trick. … Meanwhile, Hideki Matsui seems to have emerged from his funk with two hits tonight. If this score holds up, there will be big bags of pressure on CC Sabathia tomorrow to avert a sweep. It’s not the standings that are a concern as much as the burden of toting an 0-8 record into the next series.
UPDATE, 9:29 p.m.: Here come the Yankees as Damon and Tex homer off Ramirez. Now they trail 6-5. Quite a night for the first baseman. He is 4 for 4 with two doubles and a homer. He’s looking like an MVP.
UPDATE, 9:31 p.m.: A-Rod 0 for 7 in the series and 4 of his last 27 overall. He seems to have hit a dry spell after his initial surge when he came off the DL.
UPDATE, 9:35 p.m.: Boston’s bullpen was due for a letdown. Now Matsui will face his countryman, Okajima, with a runner on first and two outs. Coke getting warm for the Yankees.
UPDATE, 9:49 p.m.: Hughes allowed two runs in 3.2 innings. That’s OK. But next to Wang, he was Walter Johnson.
UPDATE, 10:01 p.m.: Why not have Gardner steal before the bunt? … Meanwhile, Jeter’s K leaves the Yankees 2 for 12 with RISP. Grim
UPDATE, 10:13 p.m.: If the Yankees can hold Boston here, the top of the ninth will be interesting. Teixeira is 4 for 4. Then A-Rod will come to the plate overdue. He is hitless in his last 12 at-bats and 4 for his last 27. He’s about ready for one of those titanic late-inning blasts that wins the game.
UPDATE, 10:18 p.m: Well, here we go. One way or another, back later with some reaction from the clubhouse.
UPDATE, 10:22 p.m.: Crowd chanting something about steroids at Alex. Apparently it’s Oblivious Hyprocrites Night here at Fenway.
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Lets grab 1 today please.
“PLUNK: The Yankees have hit at least one Boston batter with a pitch in all six games this season and in nine straight dating back to last season.”
Good to see. We are no longer lying down and allowing Boston to hit our guys. We are finally standing up to them and sending them a message.
Wang + Hughes + Mo = Win
CMW is 6-5, 4.82 in 14 career games against Boston, 3-3, 5.11 at Fenway Park.
Those are some Ace like numbers right there from the non-ace ace
We’re so going to win tonight.
Can we just beat these turds already? I can’t take the humiliation from my BOSOX friends.
A-Rod’s contract expires in 2017.
I am having an exceptionally WEIRD day. I have a feeling, there will be a weird baseball game tonight to follow suit.
AJ Bustnett had great numbers in Fenway, yet has flopped twice when he was here.
Hope Wang can reverse his trend and throw a goos game in Fenway
(re-post because Pete clearly put up the game thread to try to cover up the *exposure* of his anti-Arod thread posting bias. Busted!)
AHA! Pete’s naken anti-Arod bias is again exposed in all its nakedness!
The previous thread was praiseworthy of Arod’s work ethic.
Time elapsed between the posting of that thread and the next one?
Seven minutes!
Average time elapsed between the posting of a thread critical of Arod and the subsequent thread?
One hour and twelve minutes!
So Arod-critical threads are allowed to marinate in all their new glory for an average or well over an hour while a thread that praises Arod cannot stand alone for even ten minutes!
Draw your own conclusions.
(thanks to the Elias LoHud Bureau for the stats)
i have a much better feeling about todays game than yesterday…i trust wang and i think as long as he gives us good results the innings wont matter as much b/c we have hughes and aceves…the bats need to hit around wakefield…
I’m not going to declare this a must win game, but it would certainly make me feel better to win tonight. That said, when the pitching matchups were posted, this was not one of the games I had circled as a win…last night was supposed to be the toss-up and tomorrow night has been circled…
“We are finally standing up to them and sending them a message”
We’ll stop throwing at you when we win one? That the message?
There are numerous rationale points against the trading of draft picks in MLB. Although I disagree with nearly all of them, here they are:
1. The Agents would have too much power: Take this year for example. If the Nationals agreed to trade the #1 pick (basically, the rights to sign a Scott Boras client) to the Yankees, Scott Boras would essentially be doing the job of a GM, exchanging his one player for other players. MLB has an issue with Scott Boras as it is; he has the ability to control the draft due to the lack of regulations. Could you imagine what would happen if he could negotiate the landing spot of his prized first pick with other players instead of just money?
2. The Yankees and the Red Sox would get all the high-publicity draft picks: If you are like me you subscribe to the belief that a team like the Nationals would benefit more from trading their #1 to the Yankees for 5 or 6 prospects. However, others see the publicity of a #1 pick as value to the franchise. Although the Nationals won’t be able to compete for a few year, the current draft assures, that for at least some years, the Nationals have a nationwide interest in a prospect. The reality is however that once draft picks enter the minors the gaps between the picks tend to disappear. Some of the Yankees better prospects were third and fourth round guys. If the Nationals could’ve traded this #1 pick for, say, a Joba Chamberlain or a couple late round surprises currently in the minors, they would be better off as a team.
Those are the two main reasons why we don’t have the ability to trade draft picks. As a sport, baseball benefits the LEAST from this type of system which is ironic considering the NBA and NFL use a different system. There are 30 baseball teams, each with 40 man rosters. That is 1200 players. Combined with minor league systems, the amount of baseball players alone illustrates the slim chance a number #1 makes a drastic change for a franchise. The Nationals, despite having the #1 pick, have done little to help their team NOW. Combined with the fact that these expensive picks may turn out badly for the team, the Nationals may soon handcuff their franchise for years by giving a huge deal to an unproven pitcher; its counterintuitive to those who believe the Nationals want to IMPROVE their team.
“AJ Bustnett”
I like that, LOL…nearly missed it.
I handed the thesis of doom in today, so the Yankees better win.
Seriously? Wang’s about to be a daddy? Congrats! And that might be another reason why he’s been shaky.
Trust Wang?
Ha… his 5 runs in 4 2/3 was very promising since he last more than 2 innings
“I am having an exceptionally WEIRD day. I have a feeling, there will be a weird baseball game tonight to follow suit.”
Weird as in the Yanks win one against their rivals??
“I handed the thesis of doom in today, so the Yankees better win.”
A swallow carrying a thesis of doom?
It’s not the BoSox fans that I can’t take after a Yankee-BoSox loss, it’s the legions of NY media that I find highly annoying!
Rebecca- What is the thesis of doom???
Trust Wang?
Ha… his 5 runs in 4 2/3 was very promising since he last more than 2 innings
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Wang’s outing was better than Bustnett’s.
“(unless Mrs. Wang has a baby, which could happen at any time)”
Prediction Wanger starts, around the 2nd inning, his wife is said to be giving birth, Yuses comes in the 3rd…shuts downs Boston, Robi has a big night 3 RBIs and the Yankees win 6 – 2.
VB and Erica: I certainly did a lot of gulping-type swallowing when I went to hand it in…
It’s on women and work in medieval Nottingham. That thing was PAINFUL to write.
BTW, all you Torre bashers who said what is Torre going to do now that ManRam is out!! LOL! Well, I guess most of you bashers are still in the closet like Diet Coke waiting to use that line again. The Dodgers are 40-20 and in 1st place by 8½ games. And to top it off ManRam will be coming back soon. The Dodgers are very good and look like the class of the NL. I’d love to see a NYY/LAD world series. It would be great for baseball. But Manny would be scary in Yankee stadium.
Let’s put it this way-
At 9:45 this morning we had a total outage in my office. We lost our phones, network drives and internet. So I couldn’t do any work. And I couldn’t even surf the internet in the absense of doing work. We then had a scheduled fire drill at 10am. Thankfully, I safely made it to the office parking lot pole in the non-flames. They sent us to lunch at 10:30 cause they were tired of us not working and told us to return at 1.
I am now working very hard from home.
I win tonight would be…nice.
That draft tracker thing is pretty cool.
I learned:
1. There’s another Giovani Soto out there.
2. Some prospect named Jacob marisnic loves to tweet
3. The Yankees drafted a kid named Stoneburner. I kid you not.
First of all the Yankees and Red Sawx would not want to shell out a slew of huge bonuses every year, so that is not a reasonable isse.
Foulpole makes some good points abot the fact that there are positives and negatives to getting that number one guy and teams will have to balance that thinking. This is an unusual year to have such a universally acclaimed number one guy that the Nationals should have had the right to auction off the pick if they wanted to.
I would limit draft trades to first rounders. That way no team can “sell off” its entire draft.
Today’s line up from @Yankeeswfan:
Jeter, Damon, Teixeira, Arod, Cano, Posada, Matsui, Swisher, Cabrera.
Rebecca -
Congratulations on getting through it!
Stewart
June 10th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
“AJ Bustnett had great numbers in Fenway, yet has flopped twice when he was here.
Hope Wang can reverse his trend and throw a goos game in Fenway”
We too are looking forward to Wang throwing a “goos” game!
Hopefully Veras gets DFA’ed whenever Marte comes back, or just pitches his way off the team before then. Too bad Melancon has not pitched great since going back to Scranton, we are still all witness to Veras’ foibles as a result.
Ouch Rebecca. Just reading that sentance was painful. Were there equal rights acts in medeival Nottingham?? LOL
“Wang + Hughes + Mo = Win”
Yes, indeed. Looking for a W tonight. What did Cone call it? A “Willy”?
“VB and Erica: I certainly did a lot of gulping-type swallowing when I went to hand it in…
It’s on women and work in medieval Nottingham. That thing was PAINFUL to write.”
My obscure Monty Python joke failed miserably.
Good luck on that one. I remember handing in theses-type papers in college and it involved a lot of sleepless nights.
I think the winner of the World Series should have the #1 draft pick. And then follow the way they’ve done it. A team should be rewarded for being the best in baseball for a year.
Jeter SS, Damon LF, Teixeira 1B, A-Rod 3B, Cano 2B, Posada C, Matsui DH, Swisher RF, Cabrera CF, Wang RHP
Rebecca –
Where on earth did you find any data for that topic? I assume you did not take a trip to Nottingham?
Interesting stat. Yanks .651 winning percentage against teams not named Boston. Sox play at a .538 clip when not playing Yanks. Will be interesting to see how remaining 104 games play out.
If Wang had a boy. What would he call him?
lil wang
lil wanger
wang jr
junior wang
mini wang
mini me
wang 2
So we are comparing Wang’s 5 runs in 4 2/3 to Bustnett’s 5 runs in 2 2/3
Awesome
Hopefully the Artist Formerly Known as Godzilla hits one out tonight.
So we are on Mrs. Wang baby watch 2009?
Go get em tonight Wang!
“If Wang had a boy. What would he call him?
lil wang
lil wanger
wang jr
junior wang
mini wang
mini me
wang 2″
Chung Wang?
How about Willy Wang???
I wonder if Chien-Ming will come back with just a drawing of his new baby once it is born?
VB Oh no, I got the joke. But was it an African swallow?
erica; not even close. Couveture laws basically meant that married women had no rights.
I wonder if Chien-Ming will come back with just a drawing of his new baby once it is born?
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Maybe Matsui will offer to draw a sketch of the newborn
Erica,
Then Omar minaya would tweet Wang and say, “Congratulations on your new baby Wooly!”
Bryan
June 10th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
So we are comparing Wang’s 5 runs in 4 2/3 to Bustnett’s 5 runs in 2 2/3
Awesome
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Yeap, it’s called accepting reality.
Both stunk, one stunk more than the other. Do the math.
I saw ARod having an extended conversation at the end of last night’s game with Kevin Long. I imagine he’d be working on that part of his game, too. He’ll get there.
“VB Oh no, I got the joke. But was it an African swallow?”
I don’t think so, however…
It’s not a question of where it grips the thesis! It’s a simple question of weight ratios! A five ounce bird could not carry a half pound thesis.
Only Veras? I think they need to purchase a buy one get one free ticket to Scranton. Veras and Berroa need to be Brittoned already.
“Congratulations on your new baby Wooly!”
LMAO!!!
“If Wang had a boy. What would he call him?”
Jorge.
As previously described by the weirdness of my day- I can fully imagine Mrs. Wang having a baby in the middle of the game. I am telling you all- strange is in the air. Tonight’s game will not be boring
Doreen,
I think thats a great idea!! I wish they would empement it this year being that we are a given to win #27. I would like to add that if the Yankees or Sox win, the losing team would pick last. Just another way to take the rivalry up another notch.
Erica- Will we see Joe running out to the mound with Wang’s suitcase tell him to run to the airport?
how about naming the baby, All Night Wang
If Wang had a boy. What would he call him?
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Jobber?
Youuuse?
Bob?
Okay, maybe not Youuuse
Wonder Wang
Jerry NJ asks: “Nick – what is wrong with you?”
If you ask again closer to game time, you’ll probably get some colorful replies.
Doreen, NYY has hit the pitchers heavy over the last couple of years, but, they also started hitting on the catchers and shortstops heavily, too. They figure they could get their corner power spots through free agency, which is pretty much the same other teams. The shortage is in pitchers, catchers and shortstops.
This year, in free agency, they filled two corners and hit the jackpot on starters. They signed the two most desired starters on the market. So far, they’ve drafted 3 SS and 3 catchers in the draft. They aren’t the top choices, but, they’re taking a shot a finding a useful player. There might be a Mattingly or Pettitte in there. They weren’t bad for #19 and #22 round picks.
I realize that I most likely didn’t answer the question. These teams are drafting about 50 kids a year and signing probably another 60 from around the world and non-drafted USA and Canadian players. Some years, pitchers are needed, sometimes it’s catchers or shortstops. Those positions don’t become FAs often.
jennifer
June 10th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Erica- Will we see Joe running out to the mound with Wang’s suitcase tell him to run to the airport?
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Hahaha, that would certainly get him on Baseball tonight. And maybe even a Yahoo blog create-a-caption
Wang’s first three starts were amazing I guess… must have forgotten
RayVT
June 10th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Wonder Wang
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This wins! Hahahahaha
it’s so weird to think that my nephew is almost six weeks old already o-o
Jon Ringland
June 10th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
A positive ARod post? Now I’ve seen everything
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It’s a late April Fool’s joke or like those gag newspaper headlines.
AND HE REMAINS ON THE TEAM WHY EXACTLY? Jose Veras has thrown 23.2 innings this season. He has put 38 runners on base via hit, walk or HBP. He has allowed three homers in his last 4.1 innings.
– Thanks for calling this out again, Pete. Veras is a clown and needs to be dumped the second Bruney gets back
Anyone else notice Alex has been much more tempermental this season on camera? Could there be an opposit effect of roid rage? Non roid rage? Maybe selieg can make an exception this one time and allow small doses. I thought i was watching Oneil in the dugout of yesterdays game. Come to think of it, maybe he just wanted an excuse to thrash the pee hole thats Fenway.
i’m too lazy to look it up but what are the stats on stealing bases on wakefield? i would think you can get a few stolen bases with that knuckler taking about 30 seconds to get to the plate…
then again longoria was playing 3rd base the other day and not one bunt attempt to put his hammy to the test…
i’m not a manager or even pretend to be one but aren’t these things just no brainers to at least try? or is it one of those idiotic unwritten baseball rules that you aren’t supposed to do – speaking of which – did anyone ever bunt on jim abbott?(the guy that had only one hand)
Rebecca-Optimist Prime
June 10th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
it’s so weird to think that my nephew is almost six weeks old already o-o
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Is he a lefty? If so, he could be drafted as a Yankee legacy. If he can go to his right, teach him to play shortstop. He’ll be ready just about the time Jeter’s ready to retire.
Speaking of Bruney-
Has anyone heard anything about how he is feeling today after throwing so much yesterday?
Good Afternoon GB,
I was on the blog for a brief time last time. You had some surly fellow Yankee fans on here last night that were wanting to do bodily damage to AJ Burnett!
I think Burnett will be fine as the season progresses.
With Wakefield tonight it is always a roll of the dice. If he is on then he is very tough, otherwise it is home run derby time.
“Bustnett”
LOL Awesome
Sab raises a good point-
Gardner in the lineup against Wakefield would make sense. If he reached base you could almost autmatically put him at second or third with Wakefield pitching. Guess Girardi went in another direction
Bottom line, this team needs to get their heads out of their rear-ends and start playing “Yankee baseball”.
This team is getting paid a lot of money and 0-6 vs. Boston is not what I had in mind.
We will not and can not settle for being 2nd best. This team has the talent and now just needs to stop being scared and go out there and beat them.
BTW it is imperative after the Yankees sign Zach Heathcott, get him a mentor. The kid has not had one stable parental unit in his life, mom drugs neglected him, dad etc, jail bird for some time now, it is extremely needed.
Jose Veras is on the team because he throws 95-96
How did we like it when Delcarmen was throwing 97-98 and Bard was throwing 100 MPH in the 9th inning?
You win with hard throwers. Veras is the only one we have currently now that Bruney is out. Coke/Robertson/Aceves are low 90s guys and that limits their effectiveness.
We want to get our pen as good as Boston’s, we must develop a few hard throwers
Well said Lone Star
Hugh Wang.
I think we come out like gangbusters tonight and have a great offensive showing.
ray (sox fan)
June 10th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Good Afternoon GB,
I was on the blog for a brief time last time. You had some surly fellow Yankee fans on here last night that were wanting to do bodily damage to AJ Burnett!
I think Burnett will be fine as the season progresses.
With Wakefield tonight it is always a roll of the dice. If he is on then he is very tough, otherwise it is home run derby time.
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afternoon, Ray. Hope all is well in the (sox fan) family. I just read between the lines of your post and it looks like you were smiling and actually giggling.
It’s difficult to tell what wakefield will do. NYY can hammer him all over the park for three years and then, one year he buries them. Line drives caught at the wall, diving stabs by the infielders and he hangs around all night. I don’t trust him. I think Wakefield’s a spy and doesn’t want the Yanks to win. What do you think about my conspiracy theory?
“BTW it is imperative after the Yankees sign Zach Heathcott, get him a mentor. The kid has not had one stable parental unit in his life, mom drugs neglected him, dad etc, jail bird for some time now, it is extremely needed.”
It looks like you’ve finally found a job made for Angel Berroa. He’s seen it all!
Lone Star,
I dont think the team is scared. Its all about pitching. When you play a patient team like the Sox and you fall behing every single batter. Odds are your going to give up more runs than your teams going to score. Burnett blew a 6 run lead to the same squad last month. If theres one thing that we know about this years team that is refreshing. They keep fighting till the last out. In yesterdays game, Beckett was throwing everything for strikes and getting an early lead like he did. He became even more dangerous/fearless.
We will still take 2 of 3 like we did in the last series.
I like the DH as I don’t want to give any more off days away….
I am conflicted about this game
Part of me thinks Wang will pitch decently (3-4 runs in 5 IP) but our offense will get stifled by Wakefield
Another part thinks Wang won’t get out of the 3rd inning and it will be a route like yesterday’s game and we’ll go quietly.
“You win with hard throwers. Veras is the only one we have currently now that Bruney is out.”
Melancon right now >>> Veras, heck GB7 over Veras.
Was DEBORAH on the game thread last night???? I bet she was ready to jump off a rooftop yesterday.
erica – unless of course if gardner decides that he isn’t up to stealing today-
actually you come up with a good point about gardner – you have lowell at 3rd who isn’t young (ie kinda slow) and is coming off of a hip surgery, you have wakefield pitching who isn’t young (ie kinda slow) and is carrying a few extra pounds and varitek catching (maybe not with wakefield)who isn’t young (ie slow) – so if this wasn’t the best time to get gardner in there trying to bunt his way on i don’t know when…but i have faith that girardi knows what he is doing so i won’t question his lineup…
“It looks like you’ve finally found a job made for Angel Berroa. He’s seen it all!”
No.. not Berroa he’s too valueable to this lineup.
the sooner Heathcott gets signed the better for all the reasons Brandon mentioned. JR Murphy hasn’t had those burdens, but they need to get him signed quickly too. After last year’s debacle at the top of the draft they really need to get these two done.
Isn’t it a little early for a trashy nickname for a guy who will be around for another 4 1/2 seasons? I certainly waited more than a year before coming up with Farnswurst and Paguano.
I hope Bustnett was kind enough to bake some pies for the rest of the team this afternoon as a snack. About the only contribution he has made to the team
“Melancon right now >>> Veras, heck GB7 over Veras.”
Brandon, I want to be as supportive as I can so in that spirit I am all for having GB7 pitch tonight.
Thats right Sab. I am guessing that Girardi has his reasons. As much logic as I think you and I make- unfortunately, I was not hired to be the Yankee manager. Although, I think I would be a fabulous manager
Guru,
What good is 95/96 if your allergic to the strike zone. Give me those 91/92 mph strike throwers over him anyday. Hell i cant hit a 95 let alone 90. But i could get to first base facing mr. walkathon or is that walk a ton.
disappointed Gardner not in the lineup.
walk/single against Wake = double.
he’s smarter than I, that Girardi, though…
Cinncy drafted a high school pitcher named Mike Monster, 6′3″, 220 pounds.
Bustnett is a catchy name lol
Much better than “Mr. Whipped cream”
Though I like “Pie Man” too.
Rebecca,
I live in Nottingham…..very weird you’d be writing a thesis about it.
Cool too….I love medieval history…not as much as the Yankees though.
I’m greatly enjoying draft day too….especially with SJ’s great insight.
Thanks to you all for your insights
RayVT wrote:
June 10th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
BTW, all you Torre bashers who said what is Torre going to do now that ManRam is out!! LOL! Well, I guess most of you bashers are still in the closet like Diet Coke waiting to use that line again. The Dodgers are 40-20 and in 1st place by 8½ games. And to top it off ManRam will be coming back soon. The Dodgers are very good and look like the class of the NL. I’d love to see a NYY/LAD world series. It would be great for baseball. But Manny would be scary in Yankee stadium.
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I knew someone would bring this up eventually. So lets take a look at who the Dodgers are playing: The Rockies, Padres, Giants and Diamondbacks. Only one of those teams is over .500 and that by only 3 games. Of the rest of the NL, only two teams have more than 30 wins, in the AL, 5 teams do, three of them are in the AL East.
So do you think Torre would be enjoying this success if his Dodgers were in the AL?
Interleague play and the WS will show you if Torre’s team is any good.
How great is this?
NEW YORK — Just a month after making headlines with its allegations that the New York Yankees star likely used steroids as far back as high school, Selena Roberts’ “A-Rod: The Many Lives of Alex Rodriguez” has vanished from best seller lists.
Published in early May by HarperCollins with an announced first printing of 150,000, “A-Rod” has sold just 16,000 copies so far, according to Nielsen BookScan, which tracks about 75 percent of industry sales. The book sold 11,000 in its first week, then quickly faded.
I hope you guys realize this is a Red Sox team that isn’t quite as feared as you’d think.
Sure, they score at home, but they are AVERAGING 3.5 runs/game on the road. They can definitely be pitched to if you throw them strikes, rather than nibble nibble nibble as Burnett did last night.
Once they got pitchers in that game who threw strikes, the rest of the bullpen allowed 2 ER over 5.1 IP, which amounts to a 3.38 ERA over those innings.
If our starter would throw strikes and stop pitching scared, they won’t do that badly. Think of how many righty hitters are in that lineup. If Wang has any semblance of his sinker and is facing a lineup with Pedroia, Youkilis, Bay, Lowell, Green, 5/9 righties and all of their better hitters from the right side, he might surprise you guys.
The Red Sox beat him around because of their LEFTIES who could force him to get sinkers up in the zone by laying off his weaker offspeed stuff like changeups. However, he is much better against righties, especially when it comes to his offspeed and his slider.
I’m curious to see how he does.
“Jose Veras is on the team because he throws 95-96
How did we like it when Delcarmen was throwing 97-98 and Bard was throwing 100 MPH in the 9th inning?
You win with hard throwers. Veras is the only one we have currently now that Bruney is out. Coke/Robertson/Aceves are low 90s guys and that limits their effectiveness.
We want to get our pen as good as Boston’s, we must develop a few hard throwers.”
This is just wrong. Velocity does not dictate success in the majors, otherwise Matt Anderson would stil be pitching and be ready to go down as the greatest closer ever, AJ Burnett would not have walked 5 guys in 2 innings last night and have put together a generally up-and-down career, and so on and so on for all time.
Radar-gun obsession is a dangerous thing. Over 90 is all you need to succeed in the majors if you have good control and good secondary pitches. Out of the guys you listed as “not having what it takes” in the Yankees’ bullpen, Robertson has a devastating hook and Aceves knows how to pitch + has a good curveball that he can throw multiple ways. Delcarmen can throw as hard as he’d like but he is as inconsistent as most other hard-throwing relievers across his career.
Wrong line of thinking regarding pitching, I’m sorry.
I think GB can throw harder than Swisher or Damon. Why not? Hey GB, you wouldnt happen to know how to throw a knuckler would ya?
Brandon,
Whats that Cena score you have next to your name?
How does it help to call a player on your team Bustnett or Mr. Walkathon – or far more disparaging names? This is your team. What is the matter with you?
I hate to bring this up because I like Girardi, but there is no way a Torre-led team would be 0-6 vs. Boston, not a chance. Torre would have probably won a couple of those games by himself and alleviated some of the pressure off the team.
Hey guys,
Maybe we should demote Burnett and bring up Kei Igawa to take his place in the rotation?
Seriously, I realize people are pissed at his performance yesterday, as well as his inconsistency on the whole this year, but the bottom line is he isn’t going anywhere, and I still believe he has the ability to help the Yankees tremendously.
To be honest, even if Burnett pitched better last night, I dont think it would have mattered. Beckett was on another level last night.
So lets focus on taking the next two, and leaving Boston with a 2 game lead.
Jose Veras is on the team because he throws 95-96
How did we like it when Delcarmen was throwing 97-98 and Bard was throwing 100 MPH in the 9th inning?
You win with hard throwers. Veras is the only one we have currently now that Bruney is out. Coke/Robertson/Aceves are low 90s guys and that limits their effectiveness.
We want to get our pen as good as Boston’s, we must develop a few hard throwers
I’m Done with the Jose Veras Development cr@p, Hes 29 in Dominican years, and cannot hit the side of a barn. You win with Hard throwers? is that all we need? Explains all those championships we won with Kyle Farnesworth, and Tanyon Sturtze, and Scott Proctor…. should i go on?
greenberet – question for you
i was watching the padres/dbacks game on sunday and noticed on the padres uniform they had an american flag on their shoulder but it was backwards – any significance to that?
Cinci will recoup Mike Monster’s bonus $ in jersey and t-shirt sales, for sure.
Unless he sucks.
Kay pointed out a great stat on his show today
Coming into the game, Burnett was 12-9 with a 3.83 ERA on 6 or more days rest. So he has experience doing it, and he actually has about the same ERA on 6+ days rest as he does on 4 for his career.
So Girardi shouldn’t need to be apologizing. It’s not like the stats proved he was not good on it, the stats showed he is exactly the same as on normal rest. Now he knows now to trust him in big games.
I saw where Dickie Thon’s nephew was drafted today. That was a kid that had the world in his hands until a Mike Torrez fastball caved in his face. He was never the same. He had Jeter type skills.
I was going to make fun of the people pushing to give Gardner a start tonight, but first I checked on Matsui’s lifetime stats vs. Wakefield: 53 PA, .170BA, .264 OBP, .319 SLG, .583 OPS. Ouch.
So perhaps starting Gardner and letting Damon or Swisher DH wouldn’t have been such a bad idea.
S.o.S., it’s my victories over him.
“Mr. Walkathon”
Hilarious. This blog is great. Folks come up with some of the best stuff.
Wakefield is hittable. The Yankees have gotten to him before. And the fact that it is cool and damp should help us out since the knuckle ball works better in warmer weather.
GO CMW!!!
“If Wang had a boy. What would he call him?”
1. Wutts Wang
2. Nuthinz Wang
3. Wight N. Wang
Just to point out the obvious-
Even if Burnett pitched a beauty last night and went all 9 innings, the offense only managed two hits. I don’t think its fair to hang all of last night on Burnett. True, the game got ugly early and the team was never really in it- but the 2009 Yankees have been a team of pie eating comebacks and the offense just wasn’t there last night. There was lots of stinkiness to go around last night and it wasn’t just old batches of New England Clam Chowda.
Scary stat -
Only Fuasto Carmona (now in A-ball) has more walks in the AL than Burnett.
Guru,
so by your theory we should have kept the 100 MPH throwing Farnsworth no?
Throwing hard means nothing, I explain this to my son all the time. Pitching is about being able to locate a fastball where you want it, up, down, inside, outside and with a little movement at the end of it. In fact the more movement the better.
Veras=Farnsworth, lots of speed, right down the pipe. ML hitters love these guys, it is batting practice. That is why Mo, as long as his cutter is moving will have success at 92 MPH, why Jamie Moyer had success and why Pettite (and Moose last year) have success at 89 MPH.
With a reliever having only 2 pitches at most, hitters are looking fastball, and when that fastball comes right down the pipe it looks like a beachball, 100MPH or 60 MPHs.
Yu Suk Wang
sab
June 10th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
greenberet – question for you
i was watching the padres/dbacks game on sunday and noticed on the padres uniform they had an american flag on their shoulder but it was backwards – any significance to that?
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Yeah, there sure is. All flag patches are “backwards” so that it always has the appearance of moving foreward and never retreating.
Wave Your Hat-
How could you argue with my brilliant, well thought out logic???
We just need to trust Girardi knows what he is doing. I also would like to add that GGBG accounted for 50% of the Yankee hits last night
“Two Yankees people said they “loved” local product DeRosa. But they don’t appear to have any room for him, particularly with Xavier Nady progressing nicely in his comeback from elbow trouble.”
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....ket/1.html
“Mr. Walkathon”
LOL Where do you people come up with these names? Bustnett, Walkathon etc.
great tidbit, GB
Hi Trisha!
Your optimism is like a breath of fresh air on this blog today
Torre’s evil twin
LOL! I was thinking that reply would be appropriate. Well I can only say that you play the teams on the schedule. The Dodgers are very deep and talented BTW. Manny would be even better in the AL as he would be a DH for the Dodgers. I also expect the Dodgers to add a Pitcher and it might be Peavy. I would both not like to play them in the World Series and would like to play them.
But what I was referring too was the bashing when the didn’t maintain the huge winning pct when Manny went down the 1st 2 weeks. Now they are playing lights out baseball.
“All flag patches are “backwards” so that it always has the appearance of moving foreward and never retreating.”
That’s interesting & thoughtful, never knew that. Good to know.
Boogie, I believe DEBORAH showed up all of about three times last night – the first time was after AJ threw about one pitch and she was off to the races with the white coats chasing her with a butterfly net. The next appearance she made was to tell everyone she was right to depart Bellevue long enough to let us know she was right the first time and then to tell us how hideous and embarrasing the Yankee team is. Something like that.
Compared to her, the most crazed negative poster on the forum appears rational.
JMO
As far as Dodgers in AL East, I’d say they would either be in 1st place or within a game of it.
Red Sox Lineup is not scary at all. Just throw strikes.
GB – makes sense – is that only for military or do all uniforms (police, fireman etc) have it? sorry for not noticing but i try to avoid all eye contact when i see a policeman near….
It is my hope that the yankees management is smart enough to go get Hudson Street in the near future, as Jose Veras has been terrible. The yankees should DFA him asap. Hudson Street is so talented and the yankees need bullpen help.
PLEASE Cashman buy this man!!!
Stop,
So you actually think Veras is playing for the Yanks? I thought he was the 10th man of the opposing team. I appoligize if your related to him and i offended you. But im sure hes heard worst walking off the mound from TRUE yankee fans. He sucks Wang and needs to be Pavanoed.
Brandon,
What Cena are you talking about? Not the wrestler i assume.
Girardi is gonna go with Wangy so we should call the baby that too as not to confuse him or her.
Doreen
I saw the Alex/ K.Long pow wow in the dugout too after the game. Wondered what was up with that.
Happy to help out with a little odds and ends info, DB and scorpio.
Torre just has the midas touch
Everything he touches turns to gold and everywhere he goes, he wins.
20 games over .500 without Manny.
Wonder what Hank is thinkin right about now…
“Red Sox Lineup is not scary at all. Just throw strikes.”
Agreed. Vincent Padilla beat them for crying out loud.
Trisha-
Was SHE typing LIKE this??
I stand by my opinion that she is actually an old man just playing with everyone. Or maybe a Sox fan
Randy Wolf, Jeff Weaver, Eric Shults, Kuroda etc. would get demolished in the AL East
Billingsly and Kershaw would still be good though. Their lineup can play with anyone and they have some nice arms in that pen.
advice number one strike out ortizinator
If Burnett doesn’t like to be called names (Mr. Walkathon etc.), then let him start winning some games.
Ugh! Farnsworth is having a great year in KC! Go look at his stats! LOL! Veras is not as bad as he has looked. He hasn’t been the same pitcher since Girardi piched him more than 3 innings in two games over 3 days. I am sure he could use a 15 day DL stint to recover.
sab
June 10th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
GB – makes sense – is that only for military or do all uniforms (police, fireman etc) have it? sorry for not noticing but i try to avoid all eye contact when i see a policeman near….
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Yeah even the poilce and fireman wear the same patches. If you notice the blue field of stars is next to the flag pole. But, it’s the “always moving foreward” that’s the key.
It’s always a good idea to avoid the attention of the police. They’re a suspicious lot. I guess if you look at them, you look like you’re up to something.
If Wang has his baby in the middle of the game and has to come out, does that count as an “injury delay”, and allow Hughes to take his time warming up?
“Torre just has the midas touch”
He developed it since 1996. He had a long uneventful managing career prior to that.
UK Yankee: That’s kind of crazy!
So I could mention the broadmarsh and you’d know what I mean…
TLD,
Please stop. The NL West, and the National League as a whole is nothing compared to the competition in the AL and AL East in particular.
So however you feel, stop bringing up Joe Torre, because hes not here anymore. Everyon has moved on, you should too.
Erica,
Yesterday was the first time iv read her stuff. Yes, she was all CAPS. I thinking the same thing. An older fella thats a troll.
Erica –
Seriously, she really gets carried away with the stuff she posts.
“Red Sox Lineup is not scary at all. Just throw strikes.”
No kidding, the Sox don’t scare me a bit. Just get it going tonight.
NO HEATHCOTT TODAY!?!?! BUSTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
TLD542
June 10th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Torre just has the midas touch
Everything he touches turns to gold and everywhere he goes, he wins.
20 games over .500 without Manny.
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You should have seen him before he got to the Yanks and apparently sold his soul to the devil for a Championship.
“An older fella thats a troll.”
If we are talking about Deborah, then yes. That’s probably who “she” is.
Ralph
Kudora would do well in AL too IMO. I agree Billingsly and Kershaw would do well too. That sounds good enough for 1st place to me in AL East.
“Brandon,
What Cena are you talking about? Not the wrestler i assume.”
Is there any other ?
If Burnett doesn’t like to be called names (Mr. Walkathon etc.), then let him start winning some games.
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Rex,
Burnett = Bustnett
Veras = Walkathon
Burntnett doesnt sound bad either. I do think he will come through though. Not so with Wally Walk Walker.
Thank you SoS!
No one is that unbalanced. LOL. It’s got to be some sort of act
Thank you SoS!
No one is that unbalanced. LOL. It’s got to be some sort of act
pat
June 10th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
“Torre just has the midas touch”
He developed it since 1996. He had a long uneventful managing career prior to that.
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actually, that’s not quite true. Nobody was winning with those Mets teams after trading Seaver, Jon Matlack and the rest of the pitching staff for players like Doug Flynn. He took a last place Braves team to the NL West title in his first year. Took a last place Cards team to 2nd place in his first full season there.
Randall Flagg aka “the Walkin’ Dude”
Oh Veras is Mr. Walkathon?
Sadly, Bustnett and Walkathon can be used interchangeably between Burnett and Veras LOL
Erica, really good point about last night’s game. If the Yankees were only able to scrounge all of two hits, then Burnett would have had to pitch a no hitter and we would have had to have a flawless bullpen until we got to Papelcrackhead! It sure didn’t play out that way. While I am not thrilled that Burnett had the kind of outing he did, in retrospect I would have preferred that to him pitching a one-run game and us losing it that way.
By the way, and I thought about this last night, while it is true that our record with “them” is 0-7, we all know that the majority of those games were winnable games. So if you want to fault Mo, or someone who may have not gotten a timely run, or even the umpire for at least one of those games, yes it is 0-7, but they were blowouts. Most of them could have gone the other way. They didn’t. But it isn’t like the Suxers danced all over our heads either.
GO YANKEES!!!!
GB – staying on the same subject – were you actually a greenberet? I know you are probably a little biased but in your opinion are they the most elite of all of the elite units in the military (army rangers, navy seals, etc)
and I think i read somewhere that you were in vietnam (i think)my apologies if i’m mistaken – but if you were in actual battle i’d like to ask one question. Does everything actually “slow down” and you are able to block out all or most noise when in actual battle? I find that phenomenon amazing, I was on the 95th floor of the 2nd WTC on 9/11 and once i got out and saw the “battleground” in the street I have to admit that everything did slow down and alot of noise got blocked out….just wanted to get someone who has been in battle’s point of view…
pat
So did Terry Francona. He was terrible until he got to Boston! LOL! They hated him in Philadelphia. BTW, Torre did ok with the Braves who were terrible, and not too good with the Mets who were worse. But that said, most Great Managers learned thru the school of hard nocks to be great. Torre is now. Hopefully, Girardi will be too. He is improving, but I don’t think he is up to the job long term. (Hope I’m wrong. I did say I expected him to be fired by AS break and that looks like a shaky projection thank goodness.) Go Yanks!
that should have read “they WEREN’T blowouts”
DEBORAH said she would be done with the Yankees if they lost last night. I suppose she is looking for a new team right now. At least I hope.
Brandon,
Would you stop having me guess already and explain!? So it is John Cena. I saw the score was 1 nil the other day. What are you scoring? Are you playing video games while watching the draft and blogging?
GB
Close doesn’t count with Midas Touches. It’s an all or nothing kind of thing.
Stultus-
Not sure if you saw my reply on the previous thread, but Yankee Snoopy night is September 9th for the first 18,000 fans. And it’s not just Yankee Snoopy- its INAUGURAL SEASON Yankee Snoopy!!!
Of course, I will be there the previous night which is the soup bowl night. But Yankee Snoopy sounds so much cooler
Well if you guys are right about DEBORAH then patrick has a crush on an older man!
He couldn’t compliment “her” enough that night. In fact I think the quote was “I think I love you”. No lie.
“Brandon,
Would you stop having me guess already and explain!? So it is John Cena. I saw the score was 1 nil the other day. What are you scoring? Are you playing video games while watching the draft and blogging?”
I challenged him, he didn’t accept(b/c he fears me), so he’s lost 3 matches via forfeit, hey I’m too awesome to wait for him to accept a match, helost fair and square.
*he loss fair and square*.
S.A. – that’s right! I remember saying it was the first time I wanted the Yankees to lose to the Red Sox, right after DEBORAH said that he/she would stop following the Yankees if they were to lose last night.
See, there IS a silver lining in every cloud!!!
Exactly Trisha-
I would rather them lose like they did last night then a heartbreaker 1-0 game. Hopefully, everyone involved (including the fans) can shake it off and there will be a win tonight
Pat
All a great Manager can do is get the team there and then it is up to the players to perform. Torre was managing with one hand tied behind his back with the Yankees after the Yanks got rid of Mel. Torre also wasn’t threatened by having coaches with manager resumes on his staff. (ie his possible replacement)
Rebecca,
The Broadmarsh is a hovel…much like you have found Robin Hood frequenting in his youth.
Not the kind of shopping experiance you’d be used to coming from NY.
In case you ever come back….its being replaced as we speak with a beautiful piece of glass and steel in which you may pay hommage to the gods of Prada and Choo
Haha- DEBORAH can become a Mets fan. Don’t the Mets have home games where you can bring your pet and walk on the field?? I am sure she and her dog, Melky will have a wonderful time. LOL
I was on the 95th floor of the 2nd WTC on 9/11 and once i got out and saw the “battleground” in the street I have to admit that everything did slow down and alot of noise got blocked out….just wanted to get someone who has been in battle’s point of view…
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Glad you made it out of there sab. Cant even immagine what that would be like.
So
Rangers = army
Seals = Navy
Green Beret = Marine?
?? = Air Force?
I was watching Saving Private Ryan the other day and said to me that he would hate to be a medic with all those bullets flying. Is there a rule that you dont shoot at them?
Sweeny:
Teixeira told me he almost always bats righty vs Wakefield esp at Fenway. If he hits him he will pull it and that wall is very close.
http://twitter.com/YankeesWFAN
RayVT
Not disagreeing with you. I liked Torre but a Midas Touch is stronger than facts.
If you’ve got the Midas Touch, nothing should hold you back.
I came across this awesome parody, just thought I’d share it:
Set before the Cavs-Magic East Finals…
King James: Old woman.
Dwight: Man.
King James: Man, sorry. What NBA player plays in that arena
over there?
Dwight: I’m 23.
King James: What?
Dwight: I’m 23. I’m not old.
King James: Well I can’t just call you “man”.
Dwight: Well you could say “Dwight”.
King James: I didn’t know you were called Dwight.
Dwight: Well you didn’t bother to find out did you?
King James: I did say sorry about the “old woman”, but ignoring the biceps you looked…
Dwight: What I object to is you automatically treat me like an inferior.
King James: Well I am the King.
Dwight: Oh, king eh? Very nice. And how’d you get that, eh? By exploiting poor high school opponents. By hanging on to outdated “Heir to Jordan” dogma which perpetuates the athletic and sporting differences in our society.
Bummed they the Sox didn’t put Julio Lugo in the lineup at short tonight.
I challenged him, he didn’t accept(b/c he fears me), so he’s lost 3 matches via forfeit, hey I’m too awesome to wait for him to accept a match, helost fair and square.
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lol. Who the hell are you Brandon? The Undertaker? One thing is for sure, you go to the beat of your own drum.
erica – funny you should say you’d rather the yankees lose like last night as opposed to a 1-0 game…there was a huge discussion in previous threads about that..so here are a few questions for you:
would you rather the yankees miss the playoffs by 1 game or 10 games?
do loses in june mean less than loses in september – or to ask it in a different way – do loses in june to teams like the nationals have a way of biting the yankees in the rear come september (where they now have to win those extra games since time is running out)?
“Hudson Street is so talented and the yankees need bullpen help.”
Orlando Hudson Street?
S.O.S., Sab,
Rangers, Green Berets, and Delta Force are all army.
The Marines have Force Recon, Navy is SEALS.
The elite of the elite are Delta Force and Seal Team Six.
SOS –
air force = ? – i would think the blue angels or something like that but i’m not a military guy so i’m not sure – i’ll let GB answer as i’m sure he would have the correct info on that…
3 things have changed my life and outlook on it:
the birth of my 2 sons
my father dying
9/11
Sab, these are intense questions.
1) Missing the playoffs stinks no matter what, but I would rather them miss it by one game. Last season I kind of came to grips that they probably weren’t making it at the end of August and watching those September games weren’t as fun for me. I would like the Yankees to be in the hunt as much as possible for as long as possible and be as much of a thorn in the side for the rest of baseball all season long.
2) A loss counts the same in June and September. At the end of the season you can go back and count those games you “should have won” against lesser teams, but it does no good. They still have the same weight in the loss column. You can lose 20-0, but its still only one loss. Conversely, you can win 15-0, but its only one win.
Does that make sense to you?
Thanks Mark. So i assume the elite pecking order in the army is Delta Force, then Green Berets, followed by Rangers?
Seal Team Six is the elite class of Navy Seals?
Kind of amazing that Wakefield has lasted 15 seasons with the BoSox. Not even Clemens was with them for that long.
This team is just not as good as Boston
Don’t know why the 0-6 is so surprising. In year’s past, these 2 teams were more evenly matched and we were better than them in a lot of those years.
Boston has legitimate pitching this year and a lockdown pen. Two things they didn’t have in the past. Whereas we have mediocre starters and no bullpen.
UK Yankee: Ahh,…
I forget the name of it, but my favorite place was the pub with the interior decor of a medieval dungeon.
vb03 – Free Wang!!!
June 10th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
“Hudson Street is so talented and the yankees need bullpen help.”
Orlando Hudson Street?
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Not Orlando Hudson hes on the Dodgers,
Hudson Street the RP for the Rockies
The Air Force has very highly trained airmen known as PJ’s. They are not part of a unit per se, they are a combat search and rescue mission, but they are the Air Force elite.
They also have a group called “air commandos” who are basically security guards for aircraft. Kind of military rent-a-cops. Pardon my disdain, I was in the Army.
“Not Orlando Hudson hes on the Dodgers,
Hudson Street the RP for the Rockies”
It was a joke, the guy is named Huston Street, not Hudson Street.
Pat
I didn’t use the words Midas Touch. I think he did a great job with the Yankees & now Dodgers. The Yanks can’t bring him back so there is no discussion on that issue. I just said that I wondered where the Torre bashers were since he was doing so great in LA w/o Manny because most said he was just lucky to have Manny last year and that is why the LAD won the division.
Mike,
Hes messing with you bro. Its Huston Street.
sab
June 10th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
GB – staying on the same subject – were you actually a greenberet? I know you are probably a little biased but in your opinion are they the most elite of all of the elite units in the military (army rangers, navy seals, etc)
and I think i read somewhere that you were in vietnam (i think)my apologies if i’m mistaken – but if you were in actual battle i’d like to ask one question. Does everything actually “slow down” and you are able to block out all or most noise when in actual battle? I find that phenomenon amazing, I was on the 95th floor of the 2nd WTC on 9/11 and once i got out and saw the “battleground” in the street I have to admit that everything did slow down and alot of noise got blocked out….just wanted to get someone who has been in battle’s point of view…
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Yeah, I was a Green Beret for 30 years. It was a great job for a single guy, but, destroyed marriages. People have some strange ideas about what we did. We were like a coporations that had a lot of smaller companies. We did a lot of things and were cross-trained in at least 10 areas, including the usual heavy weapons. Everybody was a qualified medic, radio operator, weapons specialist. Almost everyone was trained in a working knowledge of foreign languages.
The Army special operations units were the Green Beret, Rangers and Delta Force with all having specific areas and jobs. We also built schools, hospitals, houses and clinics, as well as water treatment plants, power stations, dug wells. We didn’t just blow things up. The Rangers did a lot of the same things. Navy Seals is pretty specific in what they do. When they go someplace, it’s for a very specific reason. Probably the toughest job in the military and most dangerous. those guys know when they swim onto a beach, somebody’s going to be unhappy that they are there. Delta Force is a shoot ‘em up force.
Yes, I was in Vietnam for 4 tours. Beautiful country….wonderful people….especially the Montagnards of the central highlands.
“I just said that I wondered where the Torre bashers were since he was doing so great in LA w/o Manny”
Take a look at the rest of the NL West and tell me what you see.
I see four AAA teams and the Dodgers, pretty much.
Canal Street is better than both.
erica – yes it does make sense..
i agree with you on #2 – but for me i’d have a harder time dealing with them missing the playoffs by 1 game because of the “games they let get away earlier in the season”…i’d be more accepting if they missed the playoffs by 10 games because to me that means that they just weren’t good enough and thats easier to accept than “if only gardner would’ve stolen that base against the phillies …blah..blah…blah…”
thanks for answering..lets go get that win tonight!!!
gary,
then why are the teams tied in the standings?
the boston rotation with daisuke, the knuckleballer, and others is not that good.. you are either stupid or a troll…
“Well if you guys are right about DEBORAH then patrick has a crush on an older man!
He couldn’t compliment “her” enough that night. In fact I think the quote was “I think I love you”. No lie. ”
It was a joke trisha.. She was so absurd it was making me laugh
vb03 – Free Wang!!!
June 10th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
“Not Orlando Hudson hes on the Dodgers,
Hudson Street the RP for the Rockies”
It was a joke, the guy is named Huston Street, not Hudson Street
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haha i cant believe i typed his name wrong twice, i even have him for fantasy. whoops.
Anyway: Check out this from rotoworld about him:
RHP Huston Street, who is 10-for-11 in save situations, has 104 career saves, giving him the fourth-most saves by a pitcher before age 26. Ahead of Street, who turns 26 on Aug. 2, are Francisco Rodriguez (146), Gregg Olson (131) and Chad Cordero (128).
S.o.S.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
I was watching Saving Private Ryan the other day and said to me that he would hate to be a medic with all those bullets flying. Is there a rule that you dont shoot at them?
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The Geneva Convention prohibits targeting medical staff, hospitals and vehicles, but, that never stopped them from doing it.
Hmmmm…no wonder Wang’s hips were weak – makin’ dem babies…
There is no real pecking order. It depends on the mission. Green Berets are used primarily for behind the lines, guerrilla warfare; as well as training indigenous guerrillas. Rangers are used as company and battalion size elite assault troops. We would also frequently function as the security element for Delta. Delta would perform the intricate operations: The rescue attempt at the embassy in Iran, seizing Noriega and the US hostages in Panama, eliminating Pablo Escobar, for example.
Greenberet and Mark in Tampa – thanks for answering..
and thank you for protecting us back then and for the sacrifices you made to make this the best country in the world….
I have to agree with Patrick. I havnt read much of this guy named DEBORAH. But i found it pretty funny and entertaining reading the posts. Cliff jumping at its finest.
If ppl really think about it, Washington’s GM if he pays Stratsburgh his ransom, it’s kind of wierd don’t you think ? I mean you commit 50 – 60 million to a SP/CL that hasn’t even proven himself in A ball yet they couldn’t sign a Derek Lowe, a Javier Vasquez, a BP guy on the market..it really is a joke, the owner pays the money for unproven and doesn’t put $$$ into his team the right way.
vb03 – Free Wang!!!
Tell me in October what you think if the Dodgers are there for the WS and the Yankees aren’t or are. They are a very good team in any league. Top to bottom very good. Speed, defense, pitching and bullpen. Add Manny to that and perhaps another starter and they could be tough to handle. Billingsly, Kershaw & Kudora are top tier pitchers.
SEAL Team Six is made up of SEALS drawn from the other 5 teams. They must qualify and go through an additional grueling course to be considered. Similar to Delta Force, but their missions deal primarily with waterborne operations these days.
sab
June 10th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Greenberet and Mark in Tampa – thanks for answering..
and thank you for protecting us back then and for the sacrifices you made to make this the best country in the world….
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My pleasure SAB. Never looked at it as a sacrifice. Have all of my body parts (except hair). I looked at it as a 30+ year camping trip. and, truth be told, I was too lazy to get a real job.
Almost everyone was trained in a working knowledge of foreign languages.
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GB,
What languages did you learn? Was it a reseta stone style?
Mark,
Were you a Ranger?
sab,
Im glad you brought up the topic. Iv always been intrigued and needed to know what i was talking about to my kids.
Cammandos?
patrick I actually thought you were serious!
Gary – the Yankees are BETTER than the Red Sox. Now listen closely and I am going to tell you why. They were playing without some of their top players when they lost the first 6 games – and they almost won 2 of 3 in one of the series – the umpire in one of them won the game for the Sux, and were it not for a bad pitch from Mo that game would have been the Yankees game also! With ALL of the bad stuff the Yankees had to deal with, they STILL went into fenway on top! So you see, you can’t let a bad outing by Burnett cloud your thinking.
Come out from that haze right now, Gary, come into the clearing, take a nice deep breath, and realize the amazing team that we Yankee fans (don’t know your rooting interest) root for. Thataboy!
“Haha- DEBORAH can become a Mets fan. Don’t the Mets have home games where you can bring your pet and walk on the field?? I am sure she and her dog, Melky will have a wonderful time. LOL”
LMAO!!! Ceptin “she” would have to rename the dog Carlos and get it a little blue and orange bandana!!!
Can you imagine being a Mets fan ?
*Bart Hubbuch of the New York Post reports (via Twitter) that the Mets acquired Chip Ambres from the Red Sox*
This was a very popular song back in the day so I’m told.
I like it.
SSgt Barry Sadler, Ballad of the Green Beret
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH4-tOqLH94
Srsly, The Nationals should let Strasburg go to Hapan
Use that pick next year on someone with a reasonable signing bonus. $50 million is a joke.
I heard many years back that in training for Seals. They had a bell next to you so that anytime you wanted to quit. You rang the bell and walked away. It was said that you couldnt re apply if you did though. How true is that?
“Orlando Hudson Street”
I heard he can pitch AND hit. We need him. I’d pay double…
Jeter, Posada and Matsui all have more career plate appearances against Wakefield than against any other pitcher. Don’t know if it means anything but an interesting piece of trivia.
Surprisingly, Melky has only 12 plate appearances against Wakefield, but in those few appearances he has hit Wakefield very well: .455/.500/.636.
“eliminating Pablo Escobar”
I thought that was a Columbian Police officer/Military ?
Or at least that’s the official story…
“patrick I actually thought you were serious!”
Haha no not at all. I thought “she” was so ridiculously over the top that it had to be a joke. The combination of absurd stuff coming from her and hilarious responses from everyone else was pretty dang funny.
S.o.S.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Almost everyone was trained in a working knowledge of foreign languages.
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GB,
What languages did you learn? Was it a reseta stone style?
Mark,
Were you a Ranger?
sab,
Im glad you brought up the topic. Iv always been intrigued and needed to know what i was talking about to my kids.
Cammandos?
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LMAO. No, actually sitting in classrooms. I could at one time converse in Vietnamese. very helpful when talking to the young ladies on Tu Do Street in Saigon.
Luckily, nobody corrected my spelling.
So Wang’s wife is giving birth any minute and he is starting a must-win? Let the poor guy go home and start Hughes/Joba.
Hmm cool some kid I played ball with in HS just got drafted in the 12th round. Pretty huge comeback, he had knee surgery which got infected. Docs told him he might never walk again and now he’s on his way to the big leagues.
“Mark,
Were you a Ranger?”
Yes, 3rd Ranger Battalion at Fort Benning from ‘93-’98.
“SSgt Barry Sadler, Ballad of the Green Beret”
A great song, in fact there is an entire CD of his songs that you can get on Amazon. Very doo-wop type, but a very good listen.
I doubt Strasburg will get 50 mil, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was 18 mil or something. I pity the Nationals so much that I hope it doesn’t burn them later on, like Brien burned the Yanks.
He should go to Japan, that would be funny. Then have that Bryce kid renounce his citizenship in the DR so he can be signed to the highest bidder. I’d like to see this all happen for the sake of appreciating the unusual.
Al it really does not make sense, but then again in regards to Wang this whole season the organization has not done anything that has made sense.
LMAO. No, actually sitting in classrooms. I could at one time converse in Vietnamese. very helpful when talking to the young ladies on Tu Do Street in Saigon.
Luckily, nobody corrected my spelling.
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lol. The only thing i know in veitnamese is from watching Full metal Jacket. “Mi Luv Yu Lon Time” its seems really similiar to english. As far as correcting your spelling. They probably think like we do here. Whats the point? Its bound to happen again.
Can we pull a #6 on these guys tonight?
tired of losing to these bunch of holier than thou cretens
Why was Hughes taken out of the rotation. Wang is distracted and also cant pitch.
“You rang the bell and walked away. It was said that you couldnt re apply if you did though. How true is that?”
Very true, and I believe they still have the bell. They give the sailor who quits blankets, a hot drink, treat him real well. A nice mind game to convince anyone else on the edge to drop out.
Trista,
You think that the Yankees have a better team and they are dealing with stuff. What about the Red Sox? You dont think that they are dealing with stuff too? How about DiceK and the fact that he struggles? Or Papi hitting less than .200? How about the fact that Youk went to the DL and Bailey(. 185 hitter) had to cover for him? Lugo and his countless mistakes. And they are still up on the top with the Yankees.
trisha – OPPC lifetime member
June 10th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
LMAO!!! Ceptin “she” would have to rename the dog Carlos and get it a little blue and orange bandana!!!
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That almost makes me feel bad for the imaginary dog. hahaha
Have a feeling this will be a 6-4 loss
We’ll score some runs, Wang will be OK, but we just come up a little short
Wang’s baby should be named Yuse Wang
“That almost makes me feel bad for the imaginary dog. hahaha”
I feel bad for the imaginary DEBORAH
“Tell me in October what you think if the Dodgers are there for the WS and the Yankees aren’t or are. They are a very good team in any league. Top to bottom very good. Speed, defense, pitching and bullpen. Add Manny to that and perhaps another starter and they could be tough to handle. Billingsly, Kershaw & Kudora are top tier pitchers.”
They are a product of their division. They’re lucky to be playing almost 80 of their 162 games against teams hovering around .500, not one of which is a real threat to overtake them in the West.
Against likely contenders such as the Angels, Cubs, and Phillies, they are a combined 7-7.
On the other hand, against Arizona, Colorado and San Diego (bottom feeder types), they are 21-4.
“Have a feeling this will be a 6-4 loss”
We WIN tonight, YOU GOT THAT ?!
No more pies for Mr. Bustnett
Let someone who is actually earning his contract perform the pies… like A-Rod or Cano.
Brandon —-> Brandon 3 Cena 0
June 10th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
We WIN tonight, YOU GOT THAT ?!
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Brandon, you should get another victory over Cena just for being so convincing and making the scary demon face
Barry sadler was a pretty talented guy. He was also a writer…had a series of adventure books titled “Casca”. Not bad for the type of book. He was erratic, though in his behavior. He shot and killed a songwriter and was sentenced to 5 years and did 30 days. He was shot in the head while living in Guatemala City. He died about a year later after about 8 months in a coma. Nobody knows what happened, but, most think it was a hit. He was selling guns and training counter revolutionaries.
“Have a feeling this will be a 6-4 loss”
Would you rather be right in your prediction or would you rather the Yanks win? Sounds like the latter.
Anthony Bastardo will probably pitch better against the Sux than any of our pitchers can
“GB,
What languages did you learn? Was it a reseta stone style? ”
gb7-
that’s brings up a question.
can you spell equally bad in all languages or is english a specialty ?
“Brandon, you should get another victory over Cena just for being so convincing and making the scary demon face”
The next challenge is tomorrow, Cena doesn’t show it’s Me 4 Cena 0.
Btw- I had something to do last night. So I got went back to my car to head home and watch the Yankee game already in progress. I found I had received a parking ticket and then when i got my radio on, I was informed the Yanks were losing 4-0.
A very irritating moment
ole N’ said yuse wang
Borass reading that 500 + pg. binder on Stratsburgh to Kay over the radio.
Randy,
Classic!!
Per Rotoworld: “Raul Ibanez is incensed over a recent blog post suggesting that his outstanding numbers this season could have been aided by performance-enhancing drugs.”
Such is the era we live in…
It’s going to take runs and lots of them to win tonight. Would be nice if the third baseman chipped in with something other than “groundball to the left side.”
He is supposed to be the team’s biggest offensive threat. Right now, I’d be happy with him being a distant second to Tex in this area.
How about the offense step up tonight? They have done nothing against the Sux all year except that Beckett game in April.
How about Teix, A-Rod, Posada etc. start getting some big hits against Boston?
Brandon —-> Brandon 3 Cena 0
The next challenge is tomorrow, Cena doesn’t show it’s Me 4 Cena 0.
*****
Grrrr, I won’t be on tomorrow night cause I have the Fleetwood Mac concert. Then I am going to Atlantic City first thing Friday morning for the weekend. I HATE suspense!
Kontos, Juan Miranda, Austin Romine for Huston Street
Cashman I know you are reading GET IT DONE!!!!!!!!!
And release Jose Veras he is a bum.
GB7 -
Thank you for even trying to address the post I made two threads ago about the draft. I seriously didn’t think anyone would even bother to read it, much less offer a real answer for me!
I do appreciate it. And I understood your response. Makes sense. I didn’t pay a lot of attention to the details, and I need to focus on the strategy that goes on in free agency and trades.
But, still, the way the draft is set up, good teams really have to rely on good luck, and good scouting of obscure players.
randy l.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
“GB,
What languages did you learn? Was it a reseta stone style? ”
gb7-
that’s brings up a question.
can you spell equally bad in all languages or is english a specialty ?
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I don’t discriminate. I can’t spell in any language. That may be the reason I was never asked to make signs.
“How about Teix, A-Rod, Posada etc. start getting some big hits against Boston?”
Let’s just start with some hits of any variety first.
GB7 can spell; what he can’t do is type.
ZMAN,
We look like a little league team when we play the Sox. We never get big hits (or hits in general like last night), the pitchers forget how to pitch, and they forget how to play defense…. or execute in any aspect.
They just look shell shocked when they play Boston. They need to stop playing scared.
Doreen
June 10th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
GB7 –
Thank you for even trying to address the post I made two threads ago about the draft. I seriously didn’t think anyone would even bother to read it, much less offer a real answer for me!
I do appreciate it. And I understood your response. Makes sense. I didn’t pay a lot of attention to the details, and I need to focus on the strategy that goes on in free agency and trades.
But, still, the way the draft is set up, good teams really have to rely on good luck, and good scouting of obscure players.
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I was happy to give you my thoughts on that, Doreen. I do tend to ramble and skip around a bit, but Randy would be impressed with my spelling.
Wang chews?
GB7 -
Yes, the spelling was very good in that post! I did notice.
Doreen
June 10th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
GB7 can spell; what he can’t do is type.
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That really hurts me to the quick, Doreen. I can type, but, I can ever remember to take these mittens off before starting.
Boston’s starters have recorded 5 quality starts in 6 games against us.
We have yet to record one against them (Pettitte did give up 4 runs to Boston, even if only 3 of them were earned)
Boston has averaged over 7 runs a game. We are averaging just over 3.
CMW dips, hate to say it but my respect for the Wanger just went up. Go get him tonight.
Some people like to make the inane comment, “What do you care what A-Rod/Burnett are paid, it’s not coming out of your pocket.”
Well, it in truth does come out of the fan’s pocket in the form of higher ticket prics, parking, concessions, etc. But this is secondary. More importantly, spending $27 million per year on Rodriguez and $16 million on Burnett, and locking them into long-term deals, limits the team’s flexibility to sign other players — now and in the future.
Think about it, you can probably afford 5 or 6 good players (perhaps very good) for what it costs to pay these two underachievers. It’s a business after all, and payrolls are not infinite.
Thank you for even trying to address the post I made two threads ago about the draft. I seriously didn’t think anyone would even bother to read it, much less offer a real answer for me!
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Doreen,
What am i a ghost today? I agreed with you in having the championship team pick first as a reward for winning. Still think the one of red sox or Yanks that fall short, pick last. Damn i hope you can see what im posting.
him = them
can’t type either
Adam — sad, but true
Carl
June 10th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Wang chews?
does he?
Melk and Swish always have a dip in – I think this is new – that Swisher kid.
We will win tonight. It will not be a pretty game, but we will find a way to win.
They do not look shell-shocked playing Boston. They do not play scared. You may be shell-shocked watching, and you may be scared that they’ll lose. But don’t confuse your feelings as a fan for what the players are doing.
They were overmatched by Josh Beckett last night.
And the previous time in Boston, they were hitting just fine. Mariano had one of his rare implosions. In the game that AJ pitched, the offense kept battling. The bullpen at that time was horrendous – the after effects of dealing with too many innings.
I am really getting tired of reading such nonsense about the way the Yankees “feel” playing the Red Sox. Sheesh.
And I would avoid reading it if I could, but it’s like in every other post here for the last 24 hours.
I am a little nervous about Wang, only because if his wife is, indeed, in labor or he thinks she might go into labor at any time, I wonder where his focus will be. He will either do extremely well because he is working extra hard to overcome that diversion, or he won’t.
Is Mrs. Wang in NY, though? So, how in heaven’s name will he get to where he needs to be???
ZMAN- $16 million for Bustnett is the worst contract ever
32 yrs old. Two pitch pitcher. Injury prone. Never pitched a big game in his life. Lacks focus and has questionable makeup.
How does that warrant getting $82 million? Did Cashman watch any of his other starts other than the ones he had against us?
Zman, that’s the mentality 90% of the other teams take. This is the Yankees. The most storied and winningest professional team in sports. They get the best players regardless of cost and demand the team win. If that concept is too much for you, there is always the Mets.
Wangawa
June 10th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
We will win tonight. It will not be a pretty game, but we will find a way to win.
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Mark my words- there is WEIRD in the air tonight
“Grrrr, I won’t be on tomorrow night cause I have the Fleetwood Mac concert.”
Are you already thinking about tomorrow? If so, don’t stop. It’ll soon be here.
As far as that stupid game last night… yesterday’s gone, yesterday’s gone.
Doreen,
You can keep making excuses all you want, but don’t ignore what is in front of you.
Lots of excuses from Doreen . . . lots of losses to Boston too. But I’m glad you have your finger on the team’s pulse.
UPDATE, 5:37 p.m.: CMW’s wife is due to give birth to their first child any time now in New York.
What does this mean??? Her water broke? Contractions 2 minutes apart? Or, she is past her due date??
Yeah Doreen… because the Yankees have played such crisp baseball against the Sux this year and are 0-6 against them.
“Mark my words- there is WEIRD in the air tonight”
Bring it ON!!! Three unassisted triple plays, Mo as center fielder, 6 consecutive intentional BBs! I want to see it all!
That same pitcher nearly no hit the Rays and gave 6 innings of near spotless baseball before this, one start shouldn’t knock all of that out, it’s funny b/c Beckett was going through something like this but I doubt the Red Sox fans whine about it. Gee listening to ppl here it sounds like they are Fatcessanized.
Beautifully said Nick!
Those Sox can go their own way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would assume that Mr. and Mrs. Wang live in NY. I know that he does winter training in Arizona, but, I’m sure they have an apartment around the NY area.
Man if CC loses tomorrow the fallout is gonna be tremendous.
Doreen’s post full of excuses. Why not mention how Boston wasn’t 100% either yet had no problem beating us?
“ZMAN- $16 million for Bustnett is the worst contract ever”
You may be right. But the A-Rod contract, to me, is equally bad.
The Wang jokes are flying fast and furious already.
S.o.S. -
I’m sorry. Thank you.
I appreciate that you agreed with me! And I agree that if Boston loses, they should pick dead last!
The post I was talking to GB7 about was about two threads ago (the post about Alex taking extra infield practice). I went on and on about what happens if everyone drafts pitchers and no one drafts enough positions players, and at the back end of the draft are these guys just space fillers, etc., etc.
Z-Man. A-Rod has been a yankee for five full seasons and has won the MVP in two of them. Over the course of his contract, he has not underachieved to this point. It’s up to him to continue to play at high level over the rest of his contract. But to equate what he as given the Yankees to this point with what Burnett has given to teh Yankees is unfair.
Also, I’m disappointed Wang will make his start tonight rather than witness the birth of his child. There are things in life more important than baseball or even one’s job. Seeing the birth of your child (and being there for your wife as she goes through that process) is definitely one of them.
when a team is 6 and 0 in head to head competition it would be safe to assume there runs scored and prevented would be much better.
thanks for all the insight.
if the sux offense is so much better then the yanks why do the yanks have more runs scored???duh duh duh…………
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....o_the.html
No one thinks this is a big deal?
“Is Mrs. Wang in NY, though? So, how in heaven’s name will he get to where he needs to be???”
It’s an out-dated tradition: drop the wife off at the hospital and go have cigars and drinks with friends whilst your wife gives birth. Same idea.
Old school, nice Wang.
Near no-hitting a team under .500… yeah, what an accomplishment.
Actually, Mrs. Wang traveled with the team and is due to give birth inside the Green Monster. Manny sterilized it.
Yuck, sorry for that.
Stultus Magnus
June 10th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
“Mark my words- there is WEIRD in the air tonight”
Bring it ON!!! Three unassisted triple plays, Mo as center fielder, 6 consecutive intentional BBs! I want to see it all!
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How about my favorite regular season game ever, July 1, 2004 vs the Sox. The triple play that wasn’t a triple play and Derek Jeter flying throught he air!
Seriously, I have a feeling tonight’s game will be a strange one
Condo
June 10th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
ZMAN- $16 million for Bustnett is the worst contract ever
32 yrs old. Two pitch pitcher. Injury prone. Never pitched a big game in his life. Lacks focus and has questionable makeup.
How does that warrant getting $82 million? Did Cashman watch any of his other starts other than the ones he had against us?
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Who are you to determine what constitutes a big game for a team or a player? Because you said so? There’s a lot of money at stake between third and 4th place in a division. 4th place gets nothing.
>Actually, Mrs. Wang traveled with the team and is due to
>give birth inside the Green Monster. Manny sterilized it.
So you’re saying it wouldn’t be the first time that there was a tiny wang inside the green monster?
Here’s a positive note. Selena Robert’s Nation Enquirer worthy book on A Rod has sold only 16,000. They printed 150,000, making it officialy a bust. Maybe she can now focus her attention to where her talent really lies… writing features for Star Magazine.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4248828
Yeah, Flaherty had the game-winning hit. Thought I had seen it all until then…
Wang’s wife looks eerily similar to him.
At least she has team spirit.
http://www.cantstopthebleeding.....ng0930.jpg
Uncle Elseworth,
It seems like it wasnt long ago that Alex’s wife was due anyday. Youd think with these accurances happening regularly on a yearly basis. They would have made the New Yankee Stadium equipped with a delivery room. They say its 3x bigger than the Old Stadium. I say replace the restaurante in center field with it. So that if it does happen the players can visit between innings. Have Veras be the informant.
Whoa – I guess I hit a nerve.
I didn’t make excuses. I didn’t say they were at any disadvantage due to ARod. I said the bullpen stunk and one of the reasons the stunk was overuse. That’s not an excuse. People are saying they play shell-shocked. Well, I disagree. I think they had the offense to win a number of the 6 games that they lost. The pitching wasn’t there. No excuses.
I never said I had my finger on the pulse of the players, but I suppose you all do? You all know for a fact that the Yankees are at a competitive disadvantage against the Red Sox because they play the Red Sox “scared.” I call that a bunch of garbage.
Beckett is a two-time world champion, greatest postseason pitcher of our generation and a proven commodity in big games.
Why would he get the same rope by fans as Burnett… an overpaid injury prone starter who has never won anything and has gagged in the 3 big games he has had this year?
Think people… not everything is black and white.
Stultus Magnus
June 10th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Yeah, Flaherty had the game-winning hit. Thought I had seen it all until then…
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I still think Nomar sitting on the bench the whole night was a huge shock as well.
And to further prove my theory that I am always a game off from being at the stadium for something awesome- I was there the night before.
Betsy – story won’t load for me, what is it?
It may not be fair, but Beckett’s postseason gives him an aura and perception that he is the greatest thing ever. Even if he has been good, not great in the regular season.
Postseason dominance will elevate anyone. And Beckett is money in a big spot.
Mariano Rivera is the greatest postseason pitcher of our generation.
As a matter of fact, earlier in the day, I posted that I thought that BOTH teams are incredible in that BOTH teams have had to deal with a few set-backs to start the season, and yet BOTH teams are tied for first place as we speak today, and BOTH teams have a lot of fight and BOTH teams will be in this probably for the duration of the season.
So, I do not underestimate the Red Sox. I do not make excuses for the Yankees. Nor do I OVERESTIMATE the Red Sox, nor understate what the Yankees have done.
My life does not hang in the balance over every single win or loss. I tend to look at the big picture.
And I see the Yankees and Red Sox, in their season series, about where they always end up, somewhere around the .500 mark.
UPDATE, 5:37 p.m.: CMW’s wife is due to give birth to their first child any time now in New York. But all was fine as of this afternoon and the Wanger was in front of his locker this afternoon with a dip in as he looked as scouting reports. The Wangs are having a boy and trust me when I tell you, this is big, big news in Taiwan.
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Find Mrs. Wang’s OB and have him/her provide updates for us.
So, this might be a busy day for Wang.
“Beckett is a two-time world champion, greatest postseason pitcher of our generation and a proven commodity in big games.”
I threw up a little in my mouth. I don’t see why Yankee fans would feel the need to knee at the altar of Red Sox players. Must be a masochist thing.
Is Mrs. Wang in NY, though? So, how in heaven’s name will he get to where he needs to be???
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Jetes has his private jet on stand-by? In case the Wanger needs it?
Oh, I hope Bruney goes to Trenton on Saturday. We’re going to that game.
Good luck to Mrs. Wang and CM.
for what ever it’s worth, i think since the boston media has picked up on the number of red sox hitters getting hit and they do have that joba fixation where they think they have to get even , i think at some point they will on purpose hit a yankee.
i hope it’s teixeira because he really doesn’t take to getting hit that well. it seems to fire him up.
i wouldn’t be surprised to hear that francona has told them not to retaliate because things are going the red sox way so far.
that’s actually the smart way to go, but i think some red sox pitcher will take it into his own hands sometime in the next two games.
wang himself has to pitch up and in to the red sox because they are the one team that steps up in the box to negate his sinker. he’s been told to go up and in to stop them from doing that.
it wouldn’t surprise me to see wang hit someone by mistake which could only add fuel to the fire, but what’s he supposed to do if they step up and in on the plate ?
So Wang is gone? I would assume.
Uncle Ellsworth, I LOVE that song…………..
I completely disagree about being glad that the Yankees got swamped instead of losing a close game. If Beckett had just outpitched a good Burnett, ok – so be it. I’d be encouraged by AJ and would feel much better about our staff. As it is, AJ crapped out last night and our bullpen was killed. I believe AJ will get on a roll at some point, but when ? It might be too late. I still think the Sox have a better rotation….the Yankees need AJ. I’ve supported the guy and will continue to do so – I will never trash him or any of our players. However, his attitude post-game was very puzzling. I appreciate confidence, but he doesn’t have the resume to be able to say that he’s going to get on a very impressive roll sooner rather than later……….. and the fact that he’s not interested in working on what went wrong last night? The dude seems to be in denial…..or, most likely, he’s putting up a macho front to cover for his worries. Either way, the Yankees need him and it’s not a good thing that he got torched last night.
I’ll tell ya, I hope Wang pitches “big” tonight. Maybe Cone can tell us if he’s jerking his pitches to home plate or not.
vb,
I hate the guy, but how can you deny his mastery in October? We saw it first hand in 03 and saw it again when he lead them to a title in 07.
Just like a Sox fan will admit how great Jeter/MO are in the postseason.
The delivery will be performed by Dr. James Andrews, who will then immediately perform the Tommy John procedure for the first time ever on a newborn, giving Baby Wang an ‘arm’ up on the competition in the 2027 Amateur Draft.
“vb,
I hate the guy, but how can you deny his mastery in October? We saw it first hand in 03 and saw it again when he lead them to a title in 07.”
It’s infuriating, and I would like to avoid that topic as much as possible.
GB, thanks for the info about Barry Sadler; I always wondered what happened to him……
Baby Wang born as Daddy Wang dominates Sox.
Tomorrow’s back page Post headline.
“The delivery will be performed by Dr. James Andrews…”
Nice.
Work’s over, going home. Go Yanks.
Really dumb to let Wang start on the night his wife is expecting birth.
You really think he is going to be focused on baseball tonight?
“Really dumb to let Wang start on the night his wife is expecting birth.
You really think he is going to be focused on baseball tonight?”
Exactly, I see that sinker up and getting drilled.
I don’t think this board has been living up to its potential lately.
We need a “French Fry Night” to help the yanks win!
Betsy
June 10th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
GB, thanks for the info about Barry Sadler; I always wondered what happened to him……
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Any time, Betsy. Just for information’s sake, he died in 1989.
I really hope he gets a pass if he doesn’t do well tonight.
Having to pitch against the Red Sox, trying to work his way back in the rotation, all while his wife is in labor and he’s about to become a father can’t be easy at all.
They should have just let him go be with his wife back in NY today and let Hughes start.
“Really dumb to let Wang start on the night his wife is expecting birth.
You really think he is going to be focused on baseball tonight?”
Phil Mickelson famously played the US Open wearing a pager while his wife was about to give birth 3,000 miles away. The birth happened the next morning. Mickelson played a great tournament, the best he had played to that point, and didn’t win only because Payne Stewart made some incredible putts on the last few holes. Mickelson has been known to be distracted and he focussed just fine; if Wang doesn’t pitch well tonight, I doubt it will be because of the impending birth.
It’s infuriating, and I would like to avoid that topic as much as possible.
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I have to agree. I mentioned this yesterday. Beckett, Youk and Paple have that “punch me in the face look”. Lets have the Beckett greatest ever conversations stay in bostons blogs.
Uncle Ellsworth (Expert texpert choking smokers don’t you think the joker laughs at you?)
June 10th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
I don’t think this board has been living up to its potential lately.
We need a “French Fry Night” to help the yanks win!
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Ask Al to help. He’s the “French Fry” expert on this board. He’s a professional.
SOS – no problem bringing up the military questions – i also have a deep interest in that..
Greenberet/Mark in Tampa – trying to steer this back to the yankees (although i could go on for days asking questions – the first being how do you guys go do #2 while in the field of battle?)
can you name 3 players on the yankees that you would want in the foxhole (is that more WWI and WWII thing?)with you?
and what are the best movies that depict what war is like? have either of you seen “Band of Brothers” when i was asked to become the manager of my department i was hesitant because i was going from being “one of the guys” to being their boss – and someone suggested to watch band of brothers ..i never did but if you guys give it a thumbsd up i may just go out and rent it…
lets go yankees and thanks again for all you’ve done…
Jason Bay sounds like a good guy.
Is DEBORAH trolling as Doreen?
“The delivery will be performed by Dr. James Andrews…”
Surprised they didn’t choose to go with Dr. Marc Philippon. He seems to be the new “it” guy in medicine.
The Sox hitters are probably drooling
Girardi needs to have a short hook. We’re going to likely score off Wakefield. Cannot let the game get out of hand.
“Ask Al to help. He’s the “French Fry” expert on this board. He’s a professional.”
GB Did you ever run accross Jeffrey MacDonald in your travels?
Let me clarify that Wang’s wife is not in labor. She is simply due this week.
Band of Brothers is one of my all time favorites. Many of the actual soldiers collaborated in the making of it. However, it is 10 hours or so.
Doing no. 2?- You use a slit trench, I am not detailing that one, you figure it out.
Three players in a foxhole? You can’t tell just by looking at somebody, even in HD.
But, all time?-Warren Spahn, Lou Gehrig, and Hank Bauer.
“Let me clarify that Wang’s wife is not in labor. She is simply due this week.”
Mr. Wang is due too. For a dominating game.
Wang probably should not be pitching tonight – his mind is going to be elsewhere.
“Three players in a foxhole? You can’t tell just by looking at somebody, even in HD.
But, all time?-Warren Spahn, Lou Gehrig, and Hank Bauer.”
How is Farnsworth not on that short list?! I could see Nolan Ryan and Adam Dunn being other possibilities (but no one asked me).
“We need a “French Fry Night” to help the yanks win!”
Manhattan Clam ChowdER?
I now have TONS of respect for Jason Bay because what he said should set all “fans” straight. Our dumb Kim Jones asked one of her classically stupid and vacuous questions – good that the guys continue to humor her. “When you got that home run off Mo is seemed to set the tone and now you’ve won all the games. Do you see that as a major seasonal whoop?” (paraphrase but close). Bay’s answer was that no it didn’t really mean much and that what counts is NOT how many times one team beats the other but THE OVERALL RECORD AT THE END OF THE SEASON as that is what tells who will go on.
Please Yankee fans, get a clue. Don’t flip out over the previous games, especially since you know 6 of those were played when the Yankees were totally topsy turvy.
Yankees are kicking butt and taking numbers. Enjoy it please!
(Okay, back to some computer downloading. Just needed to mention that since Bay brought it to the fore. Very important to remember.)
Uncle Ellsworth (Expert texpert choking smokers don’t you think the joker laughs at you?)
June 10th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
GB Did you ever run accross Jeffrey MacDonald in your travels?
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If I did see him, I don’t remember it. I would tend to doubt it, though. I didn’t join the SF until I got back from my first tour in VN until 1969, so perhaps, because he was a group surgeon at that time. I just don’t remember. All doctors look alike when you have needles sticking in your behind.
I know some people are going to make these Boston games out to be do or die but the yankees goal this season isn’t to beat boston head to head it’s to win the division and then to win the world series.
So in that light, before people start proclaiming the greatness and inherent superiority of the sox over the yanks, they should take a look at the sox home and road splits in terms of offensive production.
Now all teams are better at home as a whole. But boston has significant problems playing on the road. They simply aren’t the same team because all of their right handed hitters aren’t the same players on the road.
And as the season wears on that’s going to be a major problem for them if they don’t correct it.
They’ve each played 58 games – and they’re tied in the standings.
And that’s despite Boston taking all 5 games so far.
Lot’s of baseball to play – and most of that baseball isn’t going to be a head to head match up.
Lot’s of games to play on the road. It’s a long season.
kim jones just asked girardi “if wang gets into a jam would u like to see him work out of it?”
how do people like this get jobs?
Nick,
I would go with Dr. Phil to do the procedure. I would also insurt some kind of food protector plate just in case foot injuries are a hereditary thing.
Jose Veras must have some compromising pix of Hank Steinbrenner with a teenaged boy, or something. I can’t imagine any other reason why he’s on the big league club instead of Melancon, or even Kroenke or Fossum. Veras is NOT a major league pitcher.
vin
June 10th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
“Three players in a foxhole? You can’t tell just by looking at somebody, even in HD.
But, all time?-Warren Spahn, Lou Gehrig, and Hank Bauer.”
How is Farnsworth not on that short list?! I could see Nolan Ryan and Adam Dunn being other possibilities (but no one asked me).
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Spahn, Bauer and Major Ralph Houk. I’d take pitcher Lou Brissie, too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Brissie
“How is Farnsworth not on that short list?! I could see Nolan Ryan and Adam Dunn”
If I am not mistaken, Hank Bauer was a Marine in WW2; Warren Spahn participated in the battle depicted in the movie “A Bridge Too Far”, and won a medal for it; and the Lou Gehrig choice speaks for itself. Ted Williams and Moe Berg were ballplayers and real warriors as well.
Just because somebody looks tough, and is pretty big, doesn’t say anything about how they will react under fire.
He also shouldn’t be pitching if, you know, his wife is going to be bringing a new life into the world that he helped to create. You know, that little thing.
If she is unlikely to give birth tonight, then fine. He should pitch. But if tonight is most likely going to be THE night, he should be with her. That’s just my opinion (which is irrelevant).
Yankees have 16 games left on the West Coast.
Red Sox have none.
Trisha you honestly can’t tell me that the Yankees are the better team and all you are doing is feeding them excuses. The fact of the matter is that in order for the Yankees to win the World Series they will have to beat Boston and so far they have not proved they are capable of it. Also, yes with the “mission statement” being that they are expected to win a championship every year anything less than that is a dissapointment.
“Yankees have 16 games left on the West Coast.
Red Sox have none.
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Is this supposed to be viewed as a good thing or a bad thing for NYY?
TLD…
“20 games over .500 without Manny.
Wonder what Hank is thinkin right about now…”
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“I wonder if I’m still in the will? Better get Dad more sedatives.”
Wanger goes 6 innings, 1 run on 3 hits. You saw it here first.
Thanks GB
Foxhole: Gehrig, Mariano, Yogi.
Under the Banner: Winfield, Martin, Straw
For a night out: Jeter, Babe, Mickey
From the Lou Brissi Wikipedia (via GB’s link):
“After 2 years and 23 major operations Lou was able to return to baseball with a metal plate in his leg. He was signed by the Philadelphia A’s on December 15, 1946. His comeback began with Savannah in the Southern League where he won 25 games in 1947. The A’s called him up and on September 28th, 1947 he realized his “life’s ambition” of pitching in the major leagues. (Legend has it that Lou was pitching against Ted Williams when he was hit on the metal plate in his leg. It is claimed he yelled “Damn it Ted, pull the ball”).”
Manhattan Clam Chowder gets no respect – Try finding it in a restaraunt- anywhere
Eddie Grant was killed in Argonne Forest, France, during WWI.
http://www.baseball-reference......ddie_Grant
People make way too big a deal out of the west coast trips.
Its such a small sample of games and what’s the difference between a 3 hour plane ride (texas, KC, etc.) vs. a 5 hour plane ride. No one moans about them having to trudge all the way to Arlington, KC. But Seattle, Oakland, and LA are so much more brutal? Its comical. These guys have a charter. Plus they get days off on 2 of the west coast trips.
Its just not that big a deal.
yankees pregame has turned into red sox pregame on the yes network…great job YES, bc we all just wanna see information on the red sox and highlights of them beating us and jason bay interviews and quotes on david ortiz…awesome job.
GB7 – Hi, just got home and was catchng up.
I’m curious, given your Army experience, what did you think of Robin Moore’s book. I read that he was given an honorary beret, so, the implication is that he was respected. What was your take?
so no current yankee in the foxhole? rivera..posada? heck not even girardi? would munson make that list? piniella?
i’m guessing ARod may be the last person on the current yankee list –
although i’m sure spahn and brissie are excellent choices i really don’t know much about them – i started following the yankees in 1974 when i was a bittie little lad so the only thing i know about spahn is that he is a lefty and a pretty good pitcher – brissie even less but i promise to look him up once i put my boys to bed in about 2 hours…
Vin, Lou Brissie’s the guy that has the guts that you want in a fire fight. He was a fighter. Spahn, too. Won a Bronze Star for Valor at the Battle Of The Bulge and a battle field commission during that and “Operation Market Garden” (A Bridge Too Far).
GB7 – Just got home and was catching up.
I’m curious, what did you think of Robin Moore’s book? I read that he was awarded an honorary beret by the men, implying that he won their respect. What’s your opinion?
is it just me or does david cone always look constipated?
A.J. Burnett will get an icy reception the next time he takes the hill at No. 1 161st Street in the Bronx.
good thing I already drank 1 glass of wine and took a pain pill, not feeling too good about this game:(
Joe from Long Island
June 10th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
GB7 – Hi, just got home and was catchng up.
I’m curious, given your Army experience, what did you think of Robin Moore’s book. I read that he was given an honorary beret, so, the implication is that he was respected. What was your take?
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The book was far better than the John Wayne movie. Although the movie was entertaining and based on some fact, the photography was horrible. I still read the book and watch the movie a lot, though.
yankees win 50-42
Kevin, I absolutely will tell you that the Yankees are the better team and all they need to do is end up with the best record in the division. How they do it, they do it. If you can’t understand that this is a different team right now than the one that faced the Red Sox previous to this weekend, I really can’t help you out.
Now do I expect that they will never take another game from the inferior team, the Red Sox? Nah. But here is a clue for you. They’ve been owned by teams in the past and those teams have been nowhere in sight at the end of the season.
The Red Sox don’t scare me, and they certainly don’t scare the Yankees.
Best I can tell you other than to tell you that I’ve been pretty much on the money with this stuff so far this season. I think it’s my ability to have a clear head and never panic that helps.
GO YANKEES!
“Eddie Grant was killed in Argonne Forest, France, during WWI.”
Then how did he rock down to Electric Avenue?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA5MtAmT24g
OK, current Yanks in the foxhole.
Jeter-doesn’t look the toughest, but have you ever seen him flinch on the next pitch after being hit? Just gets back in there and does his job.
Rivera-the cool customer when the chips are down.
Joba-Has no back-down in him.
How could a Jason Bay interview be interesting? No offense to Canadians or anything, but the guy is like an extreme caricature of your basic stereotypical polite Canadian. Even the Boston press complains about how boring he is. ZZZZZZZ. Yeah he hits. So does Raul Ibanez, not that anybody actually notices.
“The book was far better than the John Wayne movie. Although the movie was entertaining and based on some fact, the photography was horrible. I still read the book and watch the movie a lot, though.”
Funny how much Vietnam looked like Fort Benning through that particular camera lens.
Hope Wakefield’s knuckler is flat.
Veras stinks. Throws hard, that’s it.
Girardi says Hughes can be used as long and short man out of the pen. How is this young pitcher going to stay sharp. He is very talented and they have to be careful with him.
uncle ellsworth
Foxhole: Gehrig, Mariano, Yogi.
Under the Banner: Winfield, Martin, Straw
For a night out: Jeter, Babe, Mickey
Excellent list – spot on with “under the banner” although piniella vs fisk showed me alot about what sweet lou could bring to an alley fight…and martin could make the “for a night out” list as well…
question – why yogi in a foxhole (to keep the masses entertained with his yogiisms perhaps?)
oh god, Sutcliffe again? did he at least read the paper about the game last nite?
TEX is hot
Meanwhile, into every life a little rain must fall (or more than a little.) Off to NESN I go…
SAB
70’s foxhole Squad
Pinella
Puff
Munson
Yogi: Yes his sense of humor was part of it, his leadership, loyalty, reliability other reasons. Yogi = Rock
Greatest post season pitcher of our generation would be none other that the G.O.A.T. himself, Mr. Mariano Rivera, not Josh Beckett. (Mark in Tampa beat me to it but here is some food for thought).
Mo has thrown 117 post season innings, mostly in high leverage situations. That is nearly 2 full seasons worth as a closer so the sample size is huge. In those innings:
93 Ks, 16 BBs, 72 Hits (ridiculous WHIP of .750), 16 HR allowed (o.2/9 IP for those of you bad at math), 11 uns allowed, 1 unearned for an ERA of 0.77. Just sick, and this includes many multiple inning appearances.
Beckett’s 2.90 ERA and 0.943 WHIP as a starter in over 80 innings is pretty impressive but falls considerably short. His Big Game reputation is a bit stale, and overblown. He’s only started 12 post season games, and 3 of them were pretty bad, and 1 so-so. Hardly Whitey Ford.
Yogi was a Navy man. Saw action during WWII-including the battle of DDay.
Mark in Tampa
June 10th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
“The book was far better than the John Wayne movie. Although the movie was entertaining and based on some fact, the photography was horrible. I still read the book and watch the movie a lot, though.”
Funny how much Vietnam looked like Fort Benning through that particular camera lens.
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Yeah, the movie was shot all over the east coast….around Charleston for the rice paddies, North Carolina and the Phillipines. Parts of China Beach was shot in Savannah at the National Guard armory…..dressed to look like a hospital….a lot of scenes that were put in stock and used over and over.
“But Seattle, Oakland, and LA are so much more brutal? Its comical. These guys have a charter. Plus they get days off on 2 of the west coast trips.
Its just not that big a deal.”
Not to mention the fact that the West coast teams aren’t very good. The Yanks feasted on Seattle last year, Oakland is not strong, and LAA are a much different team.
I’m excited for this game and I don’t know why!
Oddly enough, with the thought of his wife possibly going into labor looming in the background, I would think with someone like Wang pitching would actually help to center him and give him focus rather than to throw him off track!
Go Yanks! Go Wang!
Go Yankees! Can’t watch the game on the tube tonight, have to rely on Ma & Pa Pinstripes…hopefully when Sterling starts his HR call it doesn’t turn out to only a routine flyball for our guys.
Good luck Wanger!
My LoHud foxhole:
Joe Francisco – that guy sounds so tough!
Dave – so he can bore the enemy with long-winded posts that only state the obvious.
Trisha – lover her or hate her, she’s always been a fighter
here we go with the stupid knuckleballer
I love Tex batting righty against Wake tonight.
Good luck Wang. May your sinkerball sink
GJ Tex!!
Teix just made the right decision of not batting left.
Texman
come..on arod ..homer here.
trisha -
I agree with you 100%. I was going to post something along those lines. But lately I have trouble keeping my posts brief, so I ended up deleting my thoughts.
Damn Fenway turned a HR into a single
I like our park better~!
Stop swinging at balls.
come on robbie…please
CB Bucknor is terrible
That was not a strike
Cano can be a puzzling hitter at times.
Wang time
that first pitch to cano was soo high…damn
Go into gameday and look at where the first pitch to Cano crossed home plate. Enough said.
That’s a squander we needed to come out fast and hard and set the tone.
I wonder if Melky will bat righty as well…?
Wang takes to the hill…
Taiwan waits with bated breath…
Girardi watches…
Matt you are right that was clearly a ball, Bucknor has always sucked
wow vin, thanks!
Let’s Go Yanks!!!!!
Dynasty =
That was a good one
Setting the overall mood
Appreciated
thats one groundball
me likey very very much!
hmmm. With a name like Bucknor, im surprised Girardi allowed him to ump our game.
I would want Donnie Baseball in my foxhole. If nothing else, he always looked fierce with those black lines under his eyes
95 mph o0
95 on gameday…
95mph
95 mph fastball? I’ll take it!
You’re welcome, Trisha.
Walks kill
Sinker 94 95.
DP right here..i’m calling it
Old school Wang doesn’t worry about that walk because you are one pitch away from a DP. Let’s see if he can do that here.
i don’t like the strike zone so far… the ump hasn’t seemed to figure out where he wants it.
No more walks no more walks no more walks
pitchers best friend – please!
well at least it didn’t lead off the inning…
COME ON CM!!! We all know you can do it. Just focus. Repeat what you did to the first batter.
Thanks!
1st pitch to Youkilis looks pretty good on Gameday.
c’mon Wang
no walks no walks no walks
Complain all you want, but according to Gameday those pitches are crossing home plate at the knees.
It’s a testament to how good his sinker is tonight that even the umpire is fooled, or maybe he just is terrible. Judging on his first inning call against Cano, I’d say the latter.
Yankee pitchers like to walk people; Wang Burnett Pettitte the pen…
Buckle up.
Did Wang catch the A.J diseases?
damn he’s getting squeezed
Gameday says all these pitches are strikes…
Wang cannot buy a strike tonight. It’s ridiculous how badly our pitchers have been squeezed in this series.
There seems to be too much movement on his pitches.
Wow, 1st pitch to Bay was clearly a strike on Gameday… how does it look on tv?
1 DP in 17 opportunities this year according Mike
Eck, the HOF pitcher, just said that Burnett probably was too strong last night because of two extra days rest.
Ahem.
Call something else Jorge
How is the ESPN announcer surprised that was a strike???
disgusting. This again?
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That is a luck run there.
That was a routine double play grounder, where are these guys playing?
Alex couldn’t get that?
I thought Arod was getting that.
cant do anything about that…its not the hit that hurts its the walks…
come on Wang
Damon has no arm!!
uh oh
Arod should have at least dove for that one. I never will say he has a lack of effort because he works very hard but I think that was a mistake by him. I think he thought Jeter could get it.
long night ahead
its an out…i’ll take it
Jeter was seriously out of position. Why was he playing so far up the middle?
This team cannot afford anymore Wang implosions. He has single-handedly destroyed this staff.
Most of these pitches aren’t strikes. They’re going right into the ground.
Ortiz is up. Inning should be over.
Don’t get thrown. We have this game.
Papi still not hitting his weight
They don’t boo him but yank fans boo Alex! say it Michael Kay!
vintage wang this is not.
Alex had no chance on that seeing eye grounder….Get real
yep blame it on Posada and Jeter
Wang need to go to HELL
That ground ball should of been had by Jeter
boston fans wont boo..big papi???? thats absurd!
his veolcity is good tho – location seems spotty.
That is the reason we need a left fielder with an arm.
20 pitches
he’s not getting any strike call…..
Stop with the “ugh he walked guys” nonesense. According to Gameday, 2 of the balls to Youkilis were DEFINITELY strikes, and that 2-1 to Ortiz just now was RIGHT OVER THE PLATE called a ball.
this is torture
This is a weird strike zone. I never complain about these things.
Even Orsillo said that was a good pitch. Wang is getting squeezed.
Wang is a joke now! How can you come in and walk two in the first inning?
How did he fall so far so fast?
It is horrible to watch this and being a NYY fan in NH is tough.
Joe go get him and bring in Hughes.
squeeeeeze him more please
at this pace, 6 innings is too much to ask
Wang, you are so damn frustrating…
Doreen and Trisha…
I’m glad you liked the haiku…
Hopefully we win…
Geezus how can you walk Ortiz.
The single on Bay should never have occurred regardless because Wang got squeezed pretty badly on that at bat. However, by not pitching well it is difficult to convince umps to give you borderline calls. I thought that pitch to Bay was pretty clearly a strike though. I have a feeling we will be seeing Hughes quite soon.
Papi slumps again
Dominican package comes
a special milkshake?
Arod could have gotten to that ball, but he gave up on it. Unbelievable.
3 stinkin walks
Bases juiced. 2 outs.
whoa a walk?
Throw strikes!!!
Wow 3rd walk of the inning. Get ready Phil.
Okay, can *I* request that Wang leave the game if his wife goes in to labor? This is effing terrible.
THROW STRIKES!!!!
The good news is hes missing low. Good sign. Velocity up.
Jerry freakin Davis. That was the loser behind the plate the last time we had a million bad calls.
Oh my achin back.
Laughable.
Im anxious for the excuses to begin by Pete and for CMW to tell us that nothings wrong when he talks after the game.
this is just painful to watch… u are payed millions of dollars… u should be able to throw a f ing strike
Hello, Mr. Hughes? Are you there?
Seriously. Stop complaining about the walks.
How about you stop whining because he isn’t k’ing the side and LOOK AT THE PITCHES.
Out of the balls that have walked hitters, at least 50% of them have been OBVIOUS strikes right over the plate. Gameday confirms.
His sinker is so good tonight that the ump refuses to call it a strike because he sees where the catcher gets it. It’s disgraceful.
Chien-Ming Wang struggles…
Girardi ponders his move…
Aceves readies…
Oh Lord…this guy’s mind is shot. Get him out of there already.
velocity up, command down. its better than him getting hammered. he needs to start throwing strikes however.
There is too much movement on those pitches. He’s throwing too hard (95 mph). He’s at his best when he’s around 91.
Motivational Speeches by A-Rod. That was beautiful
25 pitches
At least Pete can tell us the ball is down…of course in the dirt isnt exactly what I had in mind.
throw a friggggin strike!
the yanks cant afford to have Wang wreck their staff. he needs to be pulled NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
Guys. HE IS THROWING STRIKES. Right down the middle at the knees in fact. The umpire refuse to call them. Look at GAMEDAY if you are dumb enough to not realize that.
Wang is done.
D-Rob is up in the pen. 1 pitch away from walking in a run.
How long are we going to keep running this guy out here??? Unbelievable
Oh gosh
Finally
why do our pitchers wet themselves when they are on the fenway mound
He is about to throw a meatball right over the plate to attempt at a strike. I really hope he doesn’t though.
Robertson up already. Girardi must have Wang on a REALLY short leash tonight.
Good Lord help us
Get Hughes in there after this inning.
Lord throw the ball over the plate. Goodness.
please get out of this
please
please
I cannot believe what i’m seeing. I have tremendous faith in wang..but he is killing me…..
wow huge
Wang gets out of it.
yes have a hot gun? breaking balls at 95?
WOW
thank God,he was dreadful
it was because I asked very nicely
I see Matt is in the excuses club. The best news is Wang threw so many pitches that we wont be subjected to this for much longer today.
considering last night, i’ll take that.
29 pitches
Only 1 run allowed so it isn’t that bad considering what could of happened. Hopefully Wang settles down he has good stuff tonight.
JoeT, the article references Joe Girardi talking about the possibility of Phil remaining in the pen all year. I’ll re-post the link….
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....o_the.html
I see it starts with Wang in the first already……
Damage minimized.
That is the BEST I’ve seen Wang in a LONG time, including last year.
He’s throwing 95 mph sinkers with some of the most ridiculous movement I’ve seen in a LONG time. Most of these pitches are even strikes and are not being called BECAUSE THEY HAVE SO MUCH MOVEMENT that the umpire sees where the catcher gets it and thinks it’s a ball.
One run is not too bad, but throwing 30 pitches in the inning is definitely not good.
the YES radar gun has been calling everything 95 mph
“yes have a hot gun? breaking balls at 95?”
I’m watching on NESN and they have it at 95. That’s why there is too much movement. He’s throwing too hard.
Good Job CMW, can this offense explode please, I’m talking about a 5 run inning we need one of those.
that was the worst way ever to give up 1 run…i wish it could of been a first pitch homer than 3 quick outs…please settle down wang…your sinker sinky too much
Poor performance there by Wang.
This guy needs to get it straightened out.
His agent is weeping right now. Arbitration is going to be rough this offseason.
Phew! I take back what I said about the meatball he got through it. According to gameday, he does seem to be getting squeezed. A called strike on one pitch was called a ball on the next pitch. He is getting no outside corner at all.
“Look at GAMEDAY if you are dumb enough to not realize that.”
wrong
Wang recalls time past…
As he overcomes the threat…
Yankee fans are pleased…
Someone call the hospital and tell the nurse to induce labor.
“That is the BEST I’ve seen Wang in a LONG time, including last year.
He’s throwing 95 mph sinkers with some of the most ridiculous movement I’ve seen in a LONG time. Most of these pitches are even strikes and are not being called BECAUSE THEY HAVE SO MUCH MOVEMENT that the “umpire sees where the catcher gets it and thinks it’s a ball”
Agreed. They scored a luck run there as our infielders gave up on the ball and Damon has pop gun in left.
Matt – has gone off the deep end right? walking 3 guys is the best hes been in over a year? I didnt realize CMW had a brother named Matt until today.
He’s probably going no more then 5 innings. 29 pitches already. And he has a limited pitch count.
Want to laugh your butt off? Go back and read some of your posts. Please. Do it. Man alive I can’t imagine living in that kind of self-imposed fright!
wang’s still working his way back. funny, at this point he’s in a similar situation to phranchise. he needs to pitch, plain and simple.
There is too much movement on those pitches. He’s throwing too hard (95 mph). He’s at his best when he’s around 91.
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Thats what got him demoted. A 91 mile an hour sinker. Hes at 94/95 where hes been successful for years. Folks need to be patient. He actually looks better than any other outing this year. His pitches are sinking down and unfortunatly they arent swinging at it. I think hes on his way back. Happy to see his velocity comeback and his pitches below the knees.
Very inconsistent strike zone by the ump.
“He’s throwing too hard (95 mph). He’s at his best when he’s around 91.”
Wrong. Most of his success has come when he is in the 93-95 range. There’s a HUGE difference between a 91 mph sinker and one that is 95.
Wang limits damage
Now Yankee bats must arrive
Sun Yat-sen will smile
If Wang implodes in this game(looks very likely)they will have no choice but to put him back on the DL. He has to work on his issues in the minors not up here costing the team games. They can not continue to lose games while Wang attempts to find himself. It is enough already…
“umpire sees where the catcher gets it and thinks it’s a ball”
does that insane quote mean that the nearly 10 balls that landed in the dirt were really strikes but the umps didnt notice it?
Tie game!
“Call something else Jorge”
What does it matter what Jorgie calls? Wang has no control. He’s walking them.
HIP HIP JORGE!!!!!!!!
Jorge!
is this the same ump who was squeezing hughes in Detroit?
YEAH POSADA!
Fenway special!
Yeah Jorge!
Posada ties up the game!! He picks up his pitcher!!!
finally something good happening in 2 games
JoPo!!!
JORGE’s protecting his wanger
wow that was quick lol
Jorge picks up his pitcher and brings the game back to zero for Wang. Redemption time for him next inning. Hip hip Jorge!
Jorgey juiced one!!
nice camera work
throw a damn strike……..
espn is a friggin joke.. 1 inning doozie by sutcliffe and the other hack.
yankee bullpen is thin tonight…really.. how many pitches did hughes, aceves, rivera, and others throw last night???Moron.. they used there scrubs last night moron.
the sux bench is better then the yanks.. really kotteras, lugo, kotsay, and baile or baldelli.. yea I am wrong that is murderers row 2 my bad.
this broadcast has to be muted…they are pathetic and sadly uninformed…………
Hey Pete, got any cybervalium for some of the tough guys hgere?
jorge!
I have been telling you all afternoon- there is CRAZY in the air tonight. Hang on tight
Matsui!!!
we are getting robbed with the calls.
We have a lead :0 , do we have the most solo HR in the league?
matsui breaking out the slump!
wow 2 good things
run Matsui! run
Wakefield throws crap
Jorge picking up his pitcher. Anyone who questions whether or not he’s the best catcher for this team is absurd. He’s solid behind the plate, and his bat his superior to almost every other catcher in the game.
Wakefield is batting practice if that knuckleball isn’t dancing.
Oh yeah, if you think Wang is not throwing strikes, check gameday. His stuff is sinking so much his strikes at the knees end up in the dirt.
Swish!!!
ahahahahahahahha nick. NICE!!!
We need to put up as many runs as possible…..
Beautiful Swisher! That’s heads up thinking right there!
NICE BUNT LOL I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Swishy!
It’s not supposed to be where the ball lands, it’s supposed to be where it crosses the plate.
wakefield is pisssed. I love it
Swisher bunt single =)
the rs have a better bullpen that is it.
Wakefield threw a Knuckler to 1st
So.. believe me yet, there is crazy in the air????
Jorge shows his grit…
Matsui is always clutch…
Nick Swisher hustles…
cb-
if you’re here, what’s up with wang’s release being as low as 5′ 9″’s on gameday f/x.
that’s really low for wang . is fenway’s f/x working well or is this a bogus reading?
i
Tex makes that play
Swisher’s pretty lucky that he wasn’t called out for not being in the running lane. Great push bunt, though.
Espn is crying about the bad call at the bag. They didn’t seem too upset about the blown strikes calls.
You tools still confident with Wang
Eckersley is such a brown noser.
pretty sad how people resort to joke on a pregnant woman….
ESPN=Exclusive Sox Patriots Network
ESPN sucks
Swish what?
wow. dammit swisher.
DISGUSTING INEXCUSABLEEEEEEEEEEEEE
OMFG!! that kills
Swisher what was that?!?
Nice kill of a rally.
The umpire gave the Red Sox the break on that call.
DAMMIT SWISH…talk about a total rally killer….geez
horrible
Stupid ..stupid….stupiddd…stupidd
I am glad Swish is awake..That was really bad..
What a disgusting swing by Jeter.
And just like that, Swish is gone
“You tools still confident with Wang”
Yep, this tool is still totally confident with Wang. And you?
uggg well 1 is better than none
Man on third no outs and couldn’t get him in.
Going to be one of those series for the Yankees I think.
1st & 3rd no outs = zero runs….
A mental error…
Momentum can shift away…
Wang must bear down now…
Bad baserunning by Swish but what the hell was that swing by Jeter? Hahah good to see him chuckling about that one. You know he didn’t intend to flail like that.
Terrible base running Swisher.
Darn.
Swishy, what were ya thinkin, man?
Well, I feel good – they can hit Wakefield.
man…i dont knw how this happpened…1 minute ago i was feeling like we were gonna rock wakefield..now the innnings over…
That’s the 2007/8 Yankees right there.
so it should be at least 2-0
but its 1-0
randy i realize that’s too low for wang’s release point, but that’s a hell of a lot better than 6′5”, which is where he was at @ the beginning of the season.
The dumbest baserunning blunder you can make. The ball was in front of you….that is terrible!
We can thank Swisher for his stupid baserunning. Who knows what would have happened without that DP.
That’s 6 pretty ugly at bats for Jeter in this series. Not like the others have had any better.
The potential of a big inning ……. down the drain. If Melky lets the ball go it’s bases loaded – no outs.
Ugh !!!
Hopefully Wang can hold the tie. Jorge has brought the game ultimately back down to zero for him. The earned run doesn’t matter. He needs to forget about that last inning and the ump needs to realize a sinker is a strike if it crosses the plate as one it doesn’t matter if it ends up in the dirt after it crosses.
RISP Runners in stranded position
Calm down-
They are showing they can get to Wakefield. It’s going to be okay
Hopefully this is a better inning for Wang. Fingers and toes crossed
wang’s four seam fastball is good enough at 94-95 mph to mix it in on first pitches to get strikes. it’s harder for red sox hitters to not swing at the ow sinker when they are behind in the count.
posada has to use some creativity back there. the sinker looks good though.
Ladies and Gentlemen – your 2009 NY Yankees.
You have to try real hard to not score Matsui there.
REAL hard.
Wang needs a 9-12 pitch inning here.
Yea, i still believe in Wang. Glad to see a so called “fan” doesnt.
Melk hit the ball well, I thought, SS made a good play on it. Swish just shouldn’t have been so far off first.
am i the only one pissed that so many of the yankees seem to be smiling and joking on the field…after jeter swings at that awful pitch he is seen laughing; when damon grounded out he was laughing when he came jogging back to the dugout. swish even seemed to be grinning after he got doubled off. the whole team’s demeanor seems off. very weird.
11 pitch inning would be good
Ralphie well so far we have 4 hits. We’re hitting Wakefield. That bodes well.
Wakefield is not sharp
Swisher hurt the effort there
But Yanks will prevail
How does the old addage go, you play for one run you get none.
Btw- I was catching up on Sunday’s sport section. A scout called Wilson Betemit the worst player in baseball after he was released last week.
We are just terrible with RISP !!!
“UPDATE, 7:42 p.m.: Meanwhile, the Yankees are bunting at Fenway Park in the second inning of a 1-0 game? What exactly is the thinking there? Let Nick Swisher swing the bat. They traded for him because of his power potential, not so he could give himself up.”
I agree. Not smart to play for one run with Wang’s inconsistency on the mound right now. They likely will need to score plenty tonight.
Not good – that’s one time when 1 run isn’t good enough. Let’s see – a wasted opportunity and a bad baserunning play. I’m sorry, but the last few games the Yankees have made a bunch of errors and overall not played sound fundamental baseball (yes, I know they’ve won most of those games). Ugh.
Infield hit. Wow. Does Wang have bad luck or what?
Nick Green friggin series MVP…………career bum
that hit sucked
what luck…green has no business getting these many hits against the yanks
O’Brien & Sutcliff both suck…..The worst of the ESPN crew…..
that ball had eyes…
Stupid lucky hit.
If I’m a tool, can I be a cattle prod or a taser? That way I’d be really useful around here.
CMW has got to go right after the (pretty weak) bottom of the order – 6-9.
As I type that, the great Nick Green reaches on a chopper.
Just don’t walk those guys.
How many breaks can they get?
Melky must not have hit that ball on the screws.
What was Green doing out on the outfield grass???
Just for the record Pete Swisher was clearly safe on the bunt, Youkilis never touched the bag. The fact that he didn’t even turn to argue should have given you the hint on that one.
i dont think girardi called for that swishahouse bunt. it was a good idea.
Nick Green the yankees killer … how bad is it getting ???
“Ralphie well so far we have 4 hits. We’re hitting Wakefield. That bodes well.”
i know..but that was a big momemtum boost for the sox..im big on those..wang needs to put up a zero here
afggggggggggggggggggggg no walks no walks
Please get a DP
A double play here please….
Don’t do this again Wang.
please wang.. oh please throw strikes
Um please don’t walk the number 9 hitter.
Hes taking to long between pitches.
Theres that movement matt was talking about. If only those umps would call the 59 footer a strike
Unreal.
We are Boston fodder.
Do we have a pitcher that can go more than 4 inning against this team?
“Stupid lucky hit.
If I’m a tool, can I be a cattle prod or a taser? That way I’d be really useful around here.”
X2 on that idea. We can use you to push the jumpers off the ledge
Eckersley is an absolute joke as a commentator.
boy oh boy
Not good!
I really hate that ballpark, lol.
more good movement on the sinker. That Matt should be a pitching coach.
#9 hitter? really?
The 8 & 9 hitters should NEVER do this
Wow just wow…..number 9 hitter folks.
Watch how Boston fundamentally gets Kottaras in from second.
Something $200 million doesn’t buy.
Wang struggling again…
Girardi must make a move…
Hughes or Aceves…
throw the damn four seam fastball at the beginning of the count instead of when everyone knows it’s coming.
Nick Green and now Kottaras …. 8-9 hitters ….. grab a bottle … looks like another long one.
Ugh.
This is gonna be a long night. Neither of these guys look like they have their best stuff. I’d really appreciate it, however, if Wang would keep this from getting out of hand. Problem is, he’s shown no ability to keep the ball down and IN the zone, and is compensating by leaving it way up, and it’s getting hammered.
this is hard to watch
Just got in. Are we in this game or what?
Can we get Hughes ready so we can maybe win?
also remember Pete told us Wang needs to be a starter so he can get his work in – how is that working so far?
Holy Schnikeys. We’re watching the collapse of Chien Ming Wang.
You can not bring Hughes or Aceves in now, in the 2nd inning……..Wang is going to KILL this pen, just like he did in April, for weeks at a time. I don’t know how long the Yankees can go with him like this.
Terrible play by Swish
GJ swish lol
This is just stinky
Guys, it’s NOT THE PITCHING.
How about the fact that we had 1st and 3rd, no outs, and didn’t score because Swisher is an idiot? That ball was nowhere close to being a hit.
And now he just missed a routine line out ti right field.
PULL HIM NOW GIRARDI.
another mistake on swisher.
f$%^&*
Another error?
Can we all stop sugar-coating Wang’s performance and put Philip Hughes in.. It’s pretty clear now that Wang isn’t a major league caliber pitcher at this present moment.. He needs to be sent down, cause what is going on is in his head.. I said before, he’s a mental case.. He may have won 19 games before, but he always had an ERA over 4 for his career… Nice play Swish, what a bad outfielder!!
Got to call an error on Swisher. That was brutal.
Here starts batting practice for Wang.
ugh this is a disaster so far. Please Chien, hold them here, the first team to 9 wins tonight.
Swisher man. What the heck
Why was he brought back seriously. does anybody think in this organization?
Get Wang out of this game before it gets out of hand. Put him back on the DL with some phantom injury. In AAA he can straighten himself out.
Its still too early to panic. I predict massive weirdness tonight, this game is going to be a crazy one
Is Swish drunk?? ReallY??
Wow, Nick…….
where are all the ” its only the second inning” people?
So the Great Nick Green gets a hit, the Minor league catcher gets a double.
We have first and third and we don’t score.
were doom, doom, doom
so much for that great defense.
awful job by SWISHER
Nick Swisher
Just think the Yankees could have had Santana for Wang. Unreal…. Not to mention Damon and Swisher are horrible outfielders. Swisher looked horrible on the last play.
swisher is not having himself a good game…wang has no control plus is getting no breaks…a deadly combination…this has to end now…we can hit wakefield but not looking up at a 5 spot…end the madness please!!! pleaseee
I am amazed it is taking the scorer so long to call an error
Giardi very smart pitching wang in boston… really smart
another friggin’ disaster. Let Wang go be with his wife already.
Wang not catching any breaks. Swisher had a good jump on that ball he should have gotten it.
Matt – did us not scoring cause wang to walk i think 3 batters so far? or to give up a rope double to kotteras? which one?
It’s not a matter of Boston better or intimidation or anything.
WE ARE PLAYING HORRIBLE BASEBALL, PERIOD.
Swisher missed a routine line out. Swisher got doubled off first base on a soft liner that had no chance of being a hit. A-Rod doesn’t go for the routine double play grounder in the 1st inning.
This team has been masking all its flaws by miraculous comebacks, but they have not been that outstanding lately. Their offense has been a joke (like 1 for last 15 with RISP) and they have made errors in like 7 or 8 straight games.
Boston is not beating us. We are beating ourselves.
Routine baserunning and routine defense, and we are cruising to an easy win tonight with Wakefield giving up a lot of runs and Wang settling in.
Unfortunately defense isn’t helping so much.
Still we’ll take this game.
FYi everybody: Wang is up to stay. He has NO options.
Swisher’s two plays just sums up the Yankees and Red Sox role reversal since 2004. In the past we had that ‘eye of the tiger’. Now we play the part of road kill.
… Curse of Arod anyone ?
Swisher’s act is running thin now.
You know the jerks at ESPN are just eating this up…
who else saw that jd drew ball somehow eluding wang..it would just make sense
You have got to be kidding me…Swish is just plain pathetic today..Hughes should be getting up very soon…They can not give up this game just to build up Wang’s arm strength. Obviously Swish sleeping today doesn’t help.
can someone please shut sutcliffe up!!!
” I said before, he’s a mental case.”
.. such analysis.
lol
wang’s stuff isn’t that bad.
The Yankees just had an almost sac bunt but Swisher happened to be called safe. But sacrificing is Boston Red Sox baseball??? Isn’t there some stat that they rarely ever bunt or something? I remember reading that here.
Hey Matt – even Pete realizes this is a disaster? I mean I guess there is also some fool who has to be the last person to realize something so congratulations matt on being that last fool.
I’m not certain I can handle Sutcliff and his bs much longer….
swisher is high…
Thats the daily error right there. We are close to accomplishing everything we have to acomplish. We hace already left a village of runners on base, made an error, and walked the ballpark.
wow @ them ruling that a double.
HUGHES *NOW*, not Robertson! This unfortunate situation is tailor-made for Phil.
Bill (in England, listening to John & Suzyn via mlb.com radio)
Heino, watch the game and stop looking at the box score.
Wang has walked 3, but most of those were the result of him getting squeezed. Gameday is showing that on the walks, nearly 50% of the balls are actually strikes. How is that his fault? What is he supposed to do, throw it down the middle and give up a 3-run bomb? You guys are unbelievable.
And it’s hardly the walks. Nobody got to a routine double play grounder that scored the 1 run in the first, and none of the other walks led to runs.
where are all the ” its only the second inning” people?
____________
I told myself that is was only second inning during the first 6 losses to Boston.
Swisher plays like a little leaguer
no research from espn as usual. ” only in the second inning ” crap is getting old. We have Hughes to come in after robertson.
Did our pitching staff stay in New York? This is an embarressment, I feel sick to my stomach
That the Yanks turn into a little league team against the Sux
what’s sutcliffe saying?
how Tex and Arod almost beat his ass?
“where are all the ” its only the second inning” people?”
Right here pal. Sorry to disappoint you but I just can’t bring myself to pass out quite yet.
“wang’s stuff isn’t that bad.”
3 walks in the first inning and constantly behind the Sox hitters! What are you smoking???
“Got to call an error on Swisher. That was brutal.”
I’m stuck listening to Sterling… his call:
“Swisher makes a great one-handed grab!!! Oh, he drops the ball, the run scores.”
Then Suzyn had to tell him that Swisher, in fact, made a horrible play and never even touched the ball.
Sterling is almost as bad as the Yanks’ starting pitching this series.
I am confused- was that a ground rule double or an error by Mr. Swisher?
Randy I, Boston is just sitting and making Wang throw strike 1
I can take this blog anymore. The score is 3-1 and the “yankees suck”. The minute someone make a terrible play, everyone cries. Then when they win, it’s great.
What a pile of crybabies.
I am assuming that is why Swish played LF yesterday because Girardi didn’t like his defense in RF in this ballpark. Besides the pitching the team has been very sloppy. Bad base running, mental mistakes and errors.
roberson is only up to come in mid inning. hughes will not come in mid inning.
Its quite staggering how some people seem quite fulfilled when they have something to rant about, lol.
Wang is already at 50 pitches
I think we’d be looking at Tomko before Robertson in Fenway
Swish bunting in the first inning was stupid……now this. He really is a terrible RF…..
You know what would be great?
If people could keep their dissatisfaction confined to THIS game.
The Yankees are not a terrible team.
They are not a $200 million waste.
Swisher and Damon are not great outfielders, but neither is “terrible”.
THIS GAME sucks. Will we win THIS game? Probably not. Wang is pitching beyond awful. The offense, in 2 innings, has completely wasted scoring chances.
THIS GAME sucks.
The team does not, and reading these knee jerk posts is really starting to irritate me.
Matt –
Guess what?
Gameday doesn’t call balls and strikes.
Watch the game – Wang’s thrown alot of balls…
Matt – u realize you told me to watch the game and not the box score adn then told me you are looking at the gameday Screen? thats moronic even for you? also id say conservatively 8 balls have been in the dirt. Kenny even commented on it? were those strikes too?
Wang has been more than fine. He is throwing PLENTY of strikes and they are not being called by the umpire.
Pull your heads out of your behind and look at the damn Gameday. It’s not that freaking hard.
Gameday charts the pitches with sensors located in the ballparks and keeps track of where they cross HOME PLATE. According to the pitch tracking, the umpire has missed at least 10 pitches already that were strikes and called balls. You wonder why he walked 3 guys and threw 30 pitches in the first? Because he threw 3 pitches out of 4 to Youkilis that were at the knees down the middle and called balls.
“Sterling is almost as bad as the Yanks’ starting pitching this series.”
The good thing is yankees starting pitching will get better but Sterling will not
CMW is brutal.
lmfao vin did sterling really make that call?? that’s the post of the night! (so far)
“wang’s stuff isn’t that bad.”
” “3 walks in the first inning and constantly behind the Sox hitters! What are you smoking??? ” ”
– wish I had some of that in the house. Gonna be another long one.
Matt, get off the Kool Aid. Wang is not pitching well…stop looking at Gameday and watch the game. The YES announcers realize what is going on.
“I think we’d be looking at Tomko before Robertson in Fenway.”
That was last night. He won’t be playing long man two nights in a row.
Wang is back in old form…choking against Boston.
It’s not just about tonight, it’s about his next start and the one after that and the season.
Wang isn’t catching any breaks — at all.
And sorry Pete, that wasn’t a bad call at first base. Swisher was safe. Youk wasn’t on the bag.
Though the Sox aren’t stupid… they know to work Wang because he’s on a pitches limit and he’s having trouble. Can’t say the same for our hitters though. Just don’t understand why they’re not working Wakefield.
52 pitches….Wang won’t be long tonight…
good slider wang. FINALLY!
” what a great at bat by youkilis ” – rick sutcliffe
tex’s friend, if I misunderstood the intent of your question I apologize.
YAY CM!!!
You’re seeing whey Nady was the starting RF out of ST. Nady is a better player then Swisher.
Thankfully he’s back soon.
Donnie: My bad. You are right.
Matt please follow your own advice and watch the game? he has been terrible. and if you have to say moronic things go tell it to your imaginary friend and dont waste space on the blog.
Eckersley is homer for Sox. I have no idea how much they pay him but he’d be willing to kiss Francona’s butt right now. I can’t believe I have to use a NESN feed…..
I agree with you Donnie. I don’t think any of us should say the team sucks as we are currently tied with the team that is allegedly beating us so badly. We are entitled to say within this game that Wang is not pitching well and that Swisher just had two horrible plays on offense and defense.
Wang is coming around. This isn’t happening overnight. His stuff is good.
You people have no clue, wow.
Just because the catcher catches the ball way out of the zone doesn’t mean it was a ball.
It depends on where it crosses HOME PLATE, which GAMEDAY CHARTS.
Wang’s pitches have SO MUCH MOVEMENT tonight that he is throwing them where they cross at the KNEES and are caught IN THE DIRT. He’s that good tonight. The umpire is fooled even.
You guys are unbelievable. You are looking for any reason to kill the guy over whatever he does. How about the fact that he is throwing 95 mph sinkers with some of the most ridiculous movement I’ve seen in years from him?
Look at that at bat on Bay. That’s how sick his stuff is tonight.
How is that not a strike?
I don’t think it’s panicking to say the Yankees are playing lousy baseball…….even in their wins, they’ve made errors, and tonight is just ugly.
How many innings can Phil give us tonight? 3 or 4?
I agree with Pete – Wang is a disaster; is it ok for him to brutalize the pen the way he does?
Nope, no breaks at all.
JerrY DAVIS IS A ^%$$%%^
Wang!!!
that was huge!
Great comeback for Wang.
now they are complaining about the HBPs.
how about the years pedro was using yankees as target practice you a-holes!!!!
58 pitches thru 2 innings
Of course we all know that your NAKED EYE is clearly more accurate than a system of computer sensors located at the BALLPARK.
What were you saying? Wang has been flat out NASTY tonight. He has thrown some of the best sinkers of any pitcher in baseball this year in that at bat to Bay.
this is hard to watch !
ya know, i wish tex and arod would’ve pushed rick sutcliffe around.
Strong finish by Wang. Too bad his defense has let him down big time.
That’s the worst I’ve ever seen Bay look.
Seriously, I’d hate to see how some of you people deal with real adversity, if you go to pieces and overreact like this at a damn baseball game.
Contrary to popular belief, CMW isn’t doing this as a personal affront. Ugh.
espn is becoming almost unwatchable on wednesday and sunday nights.
All we need is one big inning and everyone will be singing another tune
“CMW is brutal.”
Yeah Johnny D. Brutal.
YAWN!
sutcliffe made a good point though. wang is shortening his stride WAY too much. against bay and youk he finally stepped out. those were some good sliders he threw against them.
The Wang-Man digs deep , great heart right there…Maybe that will be the turning point for him…Whiffing Youklis & Bay is very impressive…..
Swish is really starting to bug me..
Wang recovered nicely after that nasty start to the inning. Hopefully he can go 1-2-3 in the next inning
if someone can’t tell the difference with their eyes between a four seam fastball and a sinker, maybe they should spend less time typing and more time watching.
wang has enough stuff tonight for a catcher to be creative with.
posada really should simply mix in the four seam fastball more.
oh boy – another long game… is this improvement or not?
Chien-Ming Wang recovers…
On this field Ted Williams trod…
Pinstripes will be proud…
The positive is they are hitting Wakefield, and we will see Hughes soon with his pitch count going up.
was it erica who said this game would be “Weird”….she is totally correct…this game is the epitome of weird…all we need now is a horse to run across the outfield with red soxs on and a pedroia elf hat
Made Bay look a bit silly. A few quick innings would be helpful.
randy-What’s your take on what you have seen from Wang so far?
Wang has to get in a rhythm or his fielders are going to get back on their heels.
Wang has been very good tonight. Better defensive play and a consistent strike zone would have made this a great start. The only hard hit ball hit off him was the double by the catcher.
I think what we have learned tonight is Matt created Gameday and that every 6 words he needs to capitalize a few in a row just to prove to himself that his Caps Lock button still works.
There ya go Damon, work Wakefield!
“wang’s stuff isn’t that bad.”
I agree. I have no major concern with this outing so far.
Wang clearly has no command but that’s not that big a deal. It’s very clear that right now Wang is where most pitchers are in spring training. He simply shouldn’t be pitching in the bigs right now.
But those command issues are very, very secondary. Really the only thing that matters is how much movement Wang has on his pitches and his ability to keep the ball low in the zone.
His pitches have a ton of movement and when he’s missing he’s consistently missing down.
How many hard hit balls have there been tonight? Not many at all.
The Boston hits have come primarily on seeing eye ground balls, high choppers off the plate.
I’m very happy with the quality of Wang’s stuff because this is absolutely, completely different than how he looked during those three disastrous starts.
Wang is bad right now but for completely different reasons. This is simply rust/ arm strenght/ leg strength. This is really no big deal because it is going to go away over time.
What’s most reassuring is that it now seems clear that all of those notions of Wang simply being “broken” and “forgetting” how to pitch aren’t the case.
Wang simply needs more work. His command is terrible. But it’s terrible because it has too much movement and is down in the zone.
The quality of his stuff doesn’t look bad. Lots of action on the ball.
Wang was huge, we are still in this
matt, even if his movement is that good, if the ump doesn’t call it, its still a ball. sucks, but its true. dammit damon take a couple!
should be 2-1
Wow – Singy is 62! Looks great.
Funny how everyone who was criticizing me for saying Wang was pitching much better than anyone would give him credit for tonight have ALL shut up now.
Wang is pitching fine. He had some bad luck and was squeezed like crazy, but his stuff is so good tonight that he is blowing guys away.
“lmfao vin did sterling really make that call?? that’s the post of the night! (so far)”
He really did. I’d almost be better off not listening to him and just guess at what is happening in the game.
This is my 5th season of listening to him, and he has NEVER been this bad. He has been horrid so far.
Tex Yankee MVP
Double by Tex. At least someone came to play ball today.
How good is Tex??????????? Really, this guy is just great!!
Tough play by Bay
CMW is not pitching horribly…a couple of choppers and a horrible play by Swisher and they have 3 runs. He isn’t pitching well by any means but not terrible
Wang is still alive
Though LoHudders buried him
Now score him some runs!
pat m-
wang has some life to his sinker tonight and some pop velocity wise.
if he can settle down , he may surprise a few people tonight.
That ballpark is a joke. That double was a Fenway Park special.
Before anyone gets on me the above is Peter Gammons Saphire.
Alex come on. Take a pitch
Where would we be without this guy, seriously?
Sox beat us 6-0. Without Tex, we’d be back 5-6 games.
RalphieD (OPPC all day)
June 10th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
was it erica who said this game would be “Weird”….she is totally correct…this game is the epitome of weird…all we need now is a horse to run across the outfield with red soxs on and a pedroia elf hat
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. I started saying it around 3:40. LOL. I think it’ll get weirder still….
Yes, that was me
Arod Mr Clutch
Hey, has a ball ever gone into one of those slots on the scoreboard at Fenway???
“It depends on where it crosses HOME PLATE, which GAMEDAY CHARTS.”
You remember THE extra innings game against Boston from 2004, when Jeter went flying in to the stands?
Yeah, Gameday said that game ended something like 3 different times when, clearly, it had not. I think at one point, it said Bernie hit a home run. To someone who had dialup internet at the time, and couldn’t keep track of the game any other way, it was incredibly frustrating.
Even last night, it said Burnett checked a runner on first base. First base was clearly open.
My point? Gameday isn’t infallible. You’d probably be well advised to stop treating it like gospel.
Wonderful. A-Rod pops up on the first pitch. Why go after Wakefield on the first pitch?
CB, well said.
Joekuh – Please understand THAT IF gameday says it is a STRIKE THAN that is what IT IS REGARDLESS of what anyone else MIGHT SAY.
As if the Yankees play isnt embarassing enough, DirecTV is forcing me to watch the game on NESN. If there is a worse announcer that Dennis Eckersley he must be doing high school games. I thought the US outlwed tortured???
Meanwhile,maybe Wang just found something to build on.
“I’m very happy with the quality of Wang’s stuff because this is absolutely, completely different than how he looked during those three disastrous starts.
Wang is bad right now but for completely different reasons. This is simply rust/ arm strenght/ leg strength. This is really no big deal because it is going to go away over time.”
^ From CB
Ahh, it’s so nice to see someone who actually knows the game of baseball and what they’re talking about.
That quote should end the discussion on CMW right now.
Now, how about we talk about how GREAT the offense is doing :rolleyes:
Cano Mr Clutch Jr.
cano come on. Take a pitch.
Inexcusable from Alex there – just incredibly weak performance.
SWINGING AT FIRST PITCH??????????
OMG freaking… 2 pitches and 2 outs.. way to pick up Tex.. pitiful!!
Cano shaking off the patience he was showing a few games ago…
I bet Tex goes over the wall in his next AB
Can’t they be patient against Wakefield? It’s ridiculous. These past 2 games feel so…April-ish…
I’m as upbeat as the next fan but 0-6 againts boston and trailing 3-1 in the second and the offense has done nothing this series is looking really bad.
I’m encouraged by Wang though, good movement great velocity his next start is against the nationals that start is the start where he will take off. 5 innings 3 runs sounds amazing right now.
Alex going into a shell.
Can this offense score without the long ball, pathetic
mlbtv thinks its 3 outs.
ok it is now
Hey, has a ball ever gone into one of those slots on the scoreboard at Fenway???
I don’t know about a ball, but once Manny …..
They need someone to actually start hitting the ball behind Tex. He gets on base all the time and then it is just easy outs right behind him. Someone needs to get hot with the bat after him.
DONNIE – how dare you CHALLENGE GAMEDAY. THAT IS unacceptable. MATT WILL BE outraged that you are INSULTING HIS creation. I THINK THE WAY the hierarchy works IS THAT GAMEDAY is slightly more INFALLIBLE than god.
Sorry for all the typos. My fingers are hurting from all this Eckerslyitis.
It’s not Wang. Look at the game tonight.
Swisher’s error costs him the 3rd run. The joke ground ball by Bay costs him the 1st of the 3.
How about Swisher getting doubled off first base on a soft liner that hung up for so long he could have been standing on second base and STILL gotten back to first in time? That changed the entire complexion of the game.
We had a chance to get a lead for Wang early and let him settle in, and we didn’t even score ONE with 1st and 3rd, no outs. Our hitters have given Wakefield 5 pitch innings right after Wang throws 30.
How do you expect a guy to ever settle down when he is being run RIGHT back out there after ridiculously long innings, while his team doesn’t even give him any run support in EASY situations to score runs?
is it just me or is Pete just a tad on the negative side tonight? jumped the gun calling the swisher play a bad call by the ump while youk was clearly off the base. Swisher was also not exactly giving himself up with the bunt, he was bunting for a hit. Take it easy, Pete.
Another A-Rod special. Is he in a race to catch Big Sloppy?
Arod – WORST hitter with RISP !!!
When is our prize #4 hitter going to carry this team?
No more excuses about the hip, fans.
This guy needs to start delivering.
He is awful, Drive.
It just doesnt matter to them. They are up there to hit balls and hit their way on base.
The red sox understand that you cannot get out until there are 2 strikes. and then, they put the ball in play to make the defense work or maybe get lucky infield hits or bloopers.
Arod has been quiet since the Cleveland series. He was hot before that.
Love Cano but he his shaky with RISP.
“As if the Yankees play isnt embarassing enough, DirecTV is forcing me to watch the game on NESN. If there is a worse announcer that Dennis Eckersley he must be doing high school games. I thought the US outlwed tortured???”
I’m being forced to watch it on NESN as well. Eckersley is the biggest homer yet.
helno51-
You do an excellent DEBORAH. Way to channel your inner psycho
Great post, CB. I’d like to print it out and staple it to a few people’s foreheads.
I don’t care what Wang used to be…..This is the majors and if he’s not good enough to play, we have to make up another phantom issue and put this “has been” in the minors where he belongs. NO MORE OF THIS.
Erica, nothing weird has happened, at least in my book. I want weird, where’s the weird?
I have a question for people who keep referring to Cano and Melky as stupid.
Where’s the outrage with Nick Swisher?
This is hardly the first game where he’s made a bone head play.
Where is all of the derogatory bluster aimed at him?
Swisher bunts in fenway park. Nice move. That’s thinking.
And then he completely flails on a very routing fly ball and costs the team a run.
Where is the outrage?
I can’t imagine the reaction if either Melky or Cano had this kind of game.
that was an incredibly odd (weird?) inning as well…2 pitches to damon he hits a well hit liner at drew…2 pitches to tex he hits one right off the wall barely out of the reach of bay..then arod hits a weak 1st pitch and same for cano…im looking for that horse still!!
Dennis Eckersley = a form of waterboarding.
With RISP, the Yankees turn to pumkins !!!
matt was that hard hit?
Oh boy!
Drive 4-5… You think it’s bad watching the game on NESN…..The only feed I could get at my home last night was NESN on an 8 game split screen…..Unreal!!!I was blacked out on every feed except the MLB mix channel
Another soft hit for Wang laughable.
oye, when is this series over?
and then a first pitch homerun…
What did Gameday say on that pitch Matt? Homer for Lowell.
I will lose my mind if Wang starts another game…
Lowell leaves the park. Fenway park homer but Mr. Eckersley does not say anything about that being a Fenway homer.
Are people really complaining about taking pitches from a knuckleball pitcher?
He can throw 150 pitches if he needs to and you swing if it’s high in the zone.
End of story.
Can we please stop saying Wang doesn’t look terrible? Seriously, I’m all for being positive, but there is absolutely no positive way to spin this. Tonight, he is not pitching well.
One word summarizes every Yankee fan in this Red Sox series this season.
Frustrated.
3 runs down, why are you guys so mad this offense can’t hit unless its the 7th inning or later.
I would trade Arod for Melvin Mora.
Wang hasn’t been instilling much confidence in me since his return…to the rotation.
Matt – where did gameday have that ball that just bounced at 59 feet? are our eyes that bad?
This team is back to putting me in a bad mood.
I’m through defending Wang. He needs to be disabled, send him down and let him try and find himself in the minors. This is beyond ridiculous.
My biggest nightmare is we’ll see Jose Veras tonight
Looking at 0 – 7. Wow, this is Kafka-esque.
Do we have to go down 7-1 before we get Wang out of there? This is a JOKE.
Nick Swisher was very clearly bunting for a hit, Pete… Are you WATCHING this game, or closing your eyes and using the force???
Stultus Magnus
June 10th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Erica, nothing weird has happened, at least in my book. I want weird, where’s the weird?
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One of these innings there will be a massive Yankee spark, and some sort of fireworks. I don’t care what the score is right now. The Yankees will win this game.
Or maybe Mrs. Wang will just give birth to little baby Wonder Wang on the field
This should be an interesting inning for Wang. Hopefully he can start locating his sinker. Just hope Girardi lets him get the work in.
You really have no clue helno. You only resort to name calling because you have NOTHING productive to contribute.
Wang’s pitches are moving like crazy tonight. Nobody could possibly call balls and strikes from the center field camera. You are judging it on where Posada catches it, but the pitch is dropping a foot before it gets to his glove.
You are looking for any reason to BASH Wang. He could throw a shutout and you’d still criticize him for walking a few hitters.
How about the game where Hughes threw pitches RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE that were called balls against the Sox in May? I guess that was his fault too? I guess if the umpire calls the pitch down the middle a ball it must be a ball!
I’d trust Gameday a hell of a lot more than I’d trust your naked eye from the zoomed out centerfield camera.
That what happen when you don’t look at the scouting report.
Mike Lowell have a habit of chasing first pitch fast ball……
Sit down, Ortiz!
Wang is looking like …(gulp) …. Kei Igawa
I guess Ortiz forgot his “protein shake today”.
Anyone still think Wang is a better starter than Hughes?
matt was the ball that was just hit 410 feet by a 200 hitter hit hard?
oh thank god, 2 homers to Ortiz would be unbearable
If Ortiz picked up his 4th home run, 2 of them against the Yankees I would’ve cried.
And LOL at the standing ovation. ROFL
This is an improvement for Wang. But not enough of an improvement to throw him out there every 5 days. His pitches are not consistent enough to continue to get people out. He is a shell of what he needs to be to help them win right now.
Thank god that was in the deepest part of the park, but still was hit HARD
Well Yankee fans, whatever can go worng will go wrong. That’s me.
This is pathetic. I’m done with Wang. He is finished. Why is Hughes not out there? Does Girardi WANT to lose?
There is one upside everyone has seemed to be overlooking……… This is a 3 game series, not a 4 game series…..
They are giving him an ovation? Are you kidding me?
“DONNIE – how dare you CHALLENGE GAMEDAY. THAT IS unacceptable. MATT WILL BE outraged that you are INSULTING HIS creation. I THINK THE WAY the hierarchy works IS THAT GAMEDAY is slightly more INFALLIBLE than god.”
1.) I see what you did there.
2.) I laughed out loud at that. 5 stars, my friend.
Ortiz gets a standing O? Wow, Boston fans are really dumb. These games are brutal.
the CMW experiment is over- I dont care if he cured cancer the past 2 seasons. This guy is simply no longer a MLB starter and the yankees can no longer afford to keep sending him out there. Get Hughes back in the rotation and lets move on with this guy. Enough is enough.
“The Yankees will win this game.”
That’s the weird part?
It saddens me to see Fenway support Ortiz like this. Why must Yankee fans kill Alex?
God are the commentary guys desperate for Ortiz to come good or what?
You know what they call sinkers that don’t sink?
HOME RUNS.
Came into the game with an ERA of 14+ and so far it has gone UP.
This is a major step back for Wang. He can’t throw strikes and is getting hammered.
I wish he would stop throwing pitches right down the middle.
Wang pitches scared against this team and this ballpark
Matt where did gameday have that homer? was it not really a homer? was it an out that the evil umps and centerfield camera made seem like a rocket homer?
CB, I’m with you. I’m tired of Swisher for the moment – he’s a LOUSY defensive player for one and bunting in the first was monumentally stupid. That was the most embarrassing play (the non-catch) I’ve ever seen – inexcusable and I almost wish he could be pulled for that.
That said, the Yankees have reverted back to their early-season form of pathetic at -bats with RISP. They have made lots of errors recently and also run the bases like they had their heads up their behinds. They won some recent games because the other team played worse….now they are up against a better team, a team that doesn’t make mistakes like this.
Finally Phil warming up.
Wang is pitching ok. Outside of the Lowell, fenway fly ball dinger, he’s looked pretty good.
It’s early, they’ll get to Wake and the bullpen tonight.
Hughes warming up.
it’s only 4-1. get chien-ming wAAAng out of the game please so we have a trying chance.
Every Red Sox player is in the dugout chomping at the bit to get to the plate to hit against Wang.
Serf, me to ROTFLMAO at those jerks giving a standing O for a deep fly out..
Pat,
you are the epitome of a bum (Cesar Crespo…Nick green.)
He cannot control where the pitch goes. The point of baseball is to score runs while not committing outs. Therefore, you take all of his pitches.
End of Story.
Hughes up in the Pen. Kay says he may come in for the 4th.
If that’s the case, GET HIM IN THERE NOW WHILE ITS STILL A GAME WE CAN WIN!
missed the swisher miss catch, was it a easy play?????
nice baserunning by swisher on the DP. the clutch hitting continues.
arod is in a funk at the plate and in the filed. his 1st inning play or lack of play was terrible.
Thank goodness we bring in Hughes when the game is out of reach.
His sinker is not sinking anymore. So he is basically throwing a 92 mph fastball right down the middle. They are just teeing off on him…
there is going to come a time where wang is back in the pen and hughes is starting. cant afford to keep sending this out there, no matter what the reason is for why he is pitching like this now.
i just threw up in my mouth a little..
Nice to see Hughes, but put him in a mop-up situation? Rather he had a lead to work with.. I can’t bear to watch Wang anymore tonight.. He is a lost puppy out there!
any idiot who thinks Gameday is more accurate than actually WATCHING the game is a lost a cause.
Besides the 4 walks & 1 bomb, Wang’s been great
We won’t win. Next time we get runners in scoring position we’ll hit another line drive at someone, or someone will make a diving catch and start a specatcular double play, as always.
Yankees = medicine for Big Sloppy
“It saddens me to see Fenway support Ortiz like this. Why must Yankee fans kill Alex?”
Two rings.
It would be nice to have a starter that gives your team a chance to win….goodbye Wang, hello Hughes…Hughes earned the right to stay in the rotation in the first place…I guess we’ll wait till August to maybe finally win a series against the Sux
“One of these innings there will be a massive Yankee spark, and some sort of fireworks. I don’t care what the score is right now. The Yankees will win this game.”
Yep.
And hopefully the “Yankees suck” chant will fire up some of the Yankee players…
Thank you Donnie…I am trying to make sure at least a few people laugh during this nonsense at something other than Matts pure insanity.
Only 2 balls have been hit hard by the Sox tonight.
Stultus Magnus
June 10th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
“The Yankees will win this game.”
That’s the weird part?
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I think the truly weird part will be how all the negativity on the blog disappears when this amazing Yankee comeback transpires
I’m very very down on Wang.
I can already hear the pre-canned excuses by Girardi that he was distracted because of his wife.
If that’s the damn case then don’t take the hill.
He’s shown me nothing this season.
All we do is make excuses for him again and again but he’s soft to me. He’s just soft and I don’t feel like he can be counted on for anything.
I know this sounds reactionary and all that, but I haven’t felt confident about a Wang start since the 1st half of 2007.
I don’t think he’s all that confident either.
Carl –
What has Papi brought to Boston?
To World Championships.
Yankees have had many opportunities in the playoffs with Arod and he had a Joe Nathan double to his credit.
so Swisher jumps into the stands on this one, but doesn’t try for the one that he should have had???
Swisher trying to make it up there. Almost kills himself.
Swisher trying to make up for before but uhh…no.
Cano has some of the worst at bats with RISP. It at times looks like he goes up there with no plan. Just swing at what ever the pitcher throws him.
You guys will say anything you want to prove your point, rather than actually looking at the evidence. You’re mad that Wang dare walked a hitter or dare gave up a run, and you’ll say anything you want to prove your point.
Until you actually look at the Gameday of his first inning, nothing you say has any power behind it.
A guy could throw 15 pitches right at the knees down the middle at 95 with ridiculous movement, but just because the umpire calls them all balls, it doesn’t mean he’s pitching poorly. He’s pitching very well but getting squeezed, and that’s what has happened to Wang.
You’ll nit pick all you ant because you’re insane, but there have been only 2 hard hit balls all night. The double, and the home run. That’s it.
And guess what? If the umpire has a strike zone bigger than 4 square inches or his fielders make routine plays, he is sitting on 2 runs right now, more than fine.
Great effort Swish! Even if A-Rod got us a ring he would still get no support.
And Swisher channels his inner Derek Jeter…..
Swish, you don’t have to make up for earlier mistakes by killing yourself…
a little unneccessary swish…good effort i think
Don’t worry blog, I’m just a really annoyed fan using the blog to vent. You can pretend I’m not here. When (or if) the Yankees make a comeback I’ll leave.
Do you think Matt goes into work and is like “hey boss besides coming in late 3 times this week and not finishing any of my work I think Ive had a helluva week”
Matt- you are hands down the most REATRDED poster in this place. Always have been, always will be.
I have no idea why Dave Eiland hasn’t figured out that Wang’s release point is screwed up. Quick comparison using two charts from pitchf/x:
http://i39.tinypic.com/v7sd4x.png
The red circle is his April 11, 2008 start at Fenway; the black circle is today.
Now, a slight adjustment might be intended, but overall his mechanics are clearly out of whack.
Wang currently has no place on this team until his mechanics are corrected.
did they spit on Swish? lol
how’s the game outta reach if we’re down 4-1 in the 3rd? Wang with his 3rd SO.
Wang is not getting squeezed, if you watched the actual game you’d know the balls aren’t even close.
Wangs baby is probably 18 years old now with all the time he takes between each pitch.
Good bye Wang
Is it asking too much for a Yankee pitcher to not give up a run in every inning?
HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGES
Arod – great player in non pressure situations against bad teams.
Arod – worst clutch in big games
Arod – great player in non pressure situations against bad teams.
Arod – worst clutch in big games
Nick Geen superstar———-have a seat you scrub
They won some recent games because the other team played worse….now they are up against a better team, a team that doesn’t make mistakes like this.
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Don’t you think you might be overreacting a bit there?
matt – by your analysis the 410 foot fly ball by ortiz was not hit hard or that hard ground ball single up the middle.
If they come back to win this game, great.
That changes nothing with regards to Wang. He’s NOT the CMW from 2006, 2007 and first half of 2008 and we CANNOT waste a game every 5 days trying to get him back there.
Finally!
2 2/3 IP, 6 H, a gazillion walks and 4 ER. 13.5 ERA for the day.
Matt…Girardi must not have been watching the same game you have. Wang just got the hook…THANK GOD!!
“Every Red Sox player is in the dugout chomping at the bit to get to the plate to hit against Wang.”
Yeah Scott, every one.
YAWN!
Man I really feel bad for Wang. On what should be the happiest day of his life he has to leave with his head down.
I’m still rooting for you Wang!
For the second straight game neither starting pitcher gets out of the third inning.
Got to pitch better then that.
To think they called Wang our ace at one point.
“I think the truly weird part will be how all the negativity on the blog disappears when this amazing Yankee comeback transpires”
That would be weird, but not exciting weird, not “I’m-glad-I-saw-that” weird.
Ortiz gets more love from his home crowd than A-Rod because a) he’s not a phoney b) he’s hit in the playoffs when it counts
just for starters…
i feel so unbelievably bad for wang…he is not right…he is healthy but he is not ready to pitch apparently…he looks so dejected and he might miss the birth of his child…and if this was at the stadium he would be booed endlessly…you gotta feel for the guy
matt is clearly only watching on the computer. turn on the tv.
They better keep an eye on Wang….Don’t let him near any high rise windows……
less effort by swish and how about using more brain.. nice baserunning MORON..
the cheap infiled hit that arod gave up on and the baserunning stupidity by swisher hurts……………..
why take wang out now.. 2 outs, he just struck the guy out and kotteras is up????????
now that’s what Boras would call a ‘Quality Start’
OMG !!!! Nick Green, Yankee Killer struck out !!!
I don’t know what the other options were, but starting 200 CMW tonight had bad idea jeans written all over it
give wang time to get his groove back. yea he not doing well,but he got the stuff , just have to be patirnce. sox fans showimg ortiz love, yet he struggling patience
sigh. Wang cant get right if he’s getting pulled @ 69. he looked better as the game went on. I’m pleased with his work after the 1st. he looked a lot better there.
Trish writing “YAWN!”
Yawn
Why don’t they move CMW back to the bullpen. He pitched just as good as every else out there and put Hughes back in the rotation. Regardless of whether CMW says hes a starter or not, he has to be willing to do what helps the team win. And being in the bullpen is better than being DFA.
This is a personal soapbox of mine: A-Rod is no more or less clutch than anybody else. If you want tobring out the hitless this series talk you have to say the same about Jeter.
Wang’s work is done now…
Girardi makes a wise move…
Hughes will prevail here…
I also want to say that Ive killed Pete for what I thought was his blind support of Wang but I give him credit for admitting that this is a disaster. At this point I think wang might come back next year and be good with a proper offseason workout plan and such. But for this year Id be surprised if he is more than just a bullpen guy.
“Anyone still think Wang is a better starter than Hughes?”
Yes.
Trish..make sure you cover your mouth when you Yawn please. Only polite. Thanks!
Alright, look. I’m not pleased with the way Wang is pitching, either. He’s been brutal this game, and wasn’t really good last game, either.
But if I read another person suggest that he be sent to the minors, I am going to scream.
He cannot be sent to the minors. They are not going to create a problem, as that is not legal, and if they are called on it, could have action taken against them.
Historically, he has generally always been pretty poor against Boston. I am not excusing his performance. I’m actually fairly disgusted right now. But the fact of the matter is, there isn’t a damn thing they can do about it. My guess is, he gets back to full strength, throwing 100 pitches a game. If he’s still bad then, I’d venture to say they put him in the bullpen, as he wasn’t all THAT bad coming out of the pen, shift Hughes in to the rotation, and bid him luck on his future endeavors when his contract is up.
We’re all disappointed with how badly he’s pitched. But seriously, be realistic in what you want them to do about it.
“did they spit on Swish? lol”
I hope not, he’s been one of their best players this game.
Phil lets do it!
June 10th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Pat,
you are the epitome of a bum (Cesar Crespo…Nick green.)
He cannot control where the pitch goes. The point of baseball is to score runs while not committing outs. Therefore, you take all of his pitches.
End of Story.
I am reposting this because I demand a response of “you’re right.”
and ofcourse unless hughes no hits the sox for the rest of the game he is a bust and sucks right? im sure that will be prevalent here
feel bad for wang… give me a break, he thinks he can start, then I have an idea..PROVE IT………
PROVE IT………..
So will the Veal Francesa still want a rotation of CC AJ Andy Hughes and Wang tomorrow with Joba in the 8th, or will he want Tomko taking Wang’s spot in the rotation?
This is just another example why Joba is a starter.
I’m not saying Gameday is more accurate than the game itself, I’m saying that nobody could POSSIBLY judge balls and strikes on the broadcast with the kind of movement Wang has on his pitches.
How many times have you seen a catcher get a pitch where it looks like it’s way out of the zone, and they show the side view and it’s actually crossing HOME PLATE at the knees?
You have no clue where it’s crossing home plate watching the game. You can’t tell whatsoever because of the movement on his pitches. Gameday is incredibly accurate, it’s the same technology that they use to track the umpires and that scouts use to chart pitchers.
Just because it dares dissent with your viewpoint, it doesn’t mean it’s ridiculous and wrong. You people will put down any opinion that doesn’t agree with YOURS.
Behavior like that is why the world is in the condition it is right now. People will shut down any idea that they don’t like, even if it’s better than theirs. Why do you think we continued to ignore all the signs of a recession? Because nobody wanted to give up their OWN ridiculously insane salaries, which everyone BUT them knew was out of hand.
Stultus-
I would gladly wave my magic wand and cause eye-popping weirdness for you, but sadly I do not have that power (I kind fo wish I did though). All I can say is that I feel crazy in the air today and I think it’s following to this game.
Glad Wang is out, I don’t care how much “better” he was doing, he was getting lit up, you keep him in you risk MOTS.
Believe it or not, I think Wang deserves another start. He showed some quality stuff tonight.
Donnie…well put.
There are definitely some positives from Wang, but it’s still sad that he couldn’t piece together a decent start.
wHY isnt wang in the minors right now – he is looking terrible. He would be more help if he went to see his wife. God awful.
On that same note, why isnt hughes in the rotation? They are destroying his development by pitching him one inning a bunch of games. Either send wang down and start him or send hughes down but this situation is idiotic.
Why did dave ortiz just get a standing O? mike the moron franscesa killed the yankees fans last series for giving joba a standing O after he struck out a ton of sox in only a few innings and didnt pitch a stellar game overall based on the numbers. Now, ortiz gets a standing O for flying out to deep center. I BET mike doesnt even bring it up tomorrow. He might as well just admit that he no longer is a yankees fan at this point.
didnt see that wang wouldnt look at girardi. joe had to step in front of him. i do really hope wang gets it together.
hughes with some nice moss growing down his neck
Also about 2 weeks ago the moron on WFAN still wanted Jawba in the pen because we could just start hughes and CMW. how would that be going if he had followed his stupid advice?
This ump is obviously from boston
“I will lose my mind if Wang starts another game…”
how will you tell the difference?
I feel for Wang.
The bals weren’t close to the strike zone Matt. They never started in, never ended in.
“I have no idea why Dave Eiland hasn’t figured out that Wang’s release point is screwed up. Quick comparison using two charts from pitchf/x:
http://i39.tinypic.com/v7sd4x.png”
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.c.....wangs-spin
You guys will say anything you want to prove your point, rather than actually looking at the evidence. You’re mad that Wang dare walked a hitter or dare gave up a run, and you’ll say anything you want to prove your point.
Until you actually look at the Gameday of his first inning, nothing you say has any power behind it.
A guy could throw 15 pitches right at the knees down the middle at 95 with ridiculous movement, but just because the umpire calls them all balls, it doesn’t mean he’s pitching poorly. He’s pitching very well but getting squeezed, and that’s what has happened to Wang.
You’ll nit pick all you ant because you’re insane, but there have been only 2 hard hit balls all night. The double, and the home run. That’s it.
And guess what? If the umpire has a strike zone bigger than 4 square inches or his fielders make routine plays, he is sitting on 2 runs right now, more than fine.
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too bad gameday is not the ump
If we had a knuckleballer, the Red Sox would never take the bat off their shoulders. It would be walk after walk after HBP after walk.
balk= more evidence of weirdness
Girardi: Wangie looked good… Swishie looked good…Cokie looked good….Veras looked good….
Matt – you’re delusional. Wang is awful.
Matt – you’re delusional. Wang is awful.
Wow, six months (six months after an injury, no less) of not putting up the kind of starts he has for the last 2 years is all it takes for people to turn on Wang and decide he’s beyond recovery?
Wow. I don’t get that at all.
Balk by Hughes. Let the “Hughes is a bust” bandwagon start.
“All I can say is that I feel crazy in the air today and I think it’s following to this game.”
Gotcha, I’ll be looking for it.
They might have to do to Wang what the Jays did to Halladay. Send him to Tampa and redo all of his mechanics and get him back to where he needs to be. With 1 pitch he needs to be 100% and he clearly is not.
I understand the need to get Wang out of there…but not sure why we bring Hughes in with 2 outs since he is a starter? And has a good possibility to start the next time out.
Um, no helno. i posted it before those balls were hit. How could you possibly expect me to post about hits that happened AFTER I posted?
That’s just ridiculous. And you’re criticizing me, jeez.
oh hey Nick.
With the off day on Monday, the Yankees can skip Wang until June 20th. I am sure they will at least do that if not take him out of the rotation for Phil.
2 bad plays by Swisher. Keep your head in the game!
Scott I think I’d be better off covering my eyes when you post.
Magnus – Zzzzzzzzzzz
Pete…. Swish bunted to try and get a runner to 3rd with one out…but we can’t sac fly someone home for our life…our offense is just weird, not good with 2 outs, becoming too dependent on the homer….the Red Sox offense is solid….hate to say this but Sox remind me of the 98-00 Yankees the way they situation hit with RISP…Wang is awful, may have ruined another game for us…..but I saw this start tonight coming during the game vs. Texas, he just doesn’t have it and needs to go back to the minors with some injury or something…he never should have started for us in Boston……he needs to go out of sight for a while and then maybe come back and be a pen guy in July…
Hughes!!!!!!
I feel for Wang too. I hope he can find his way back.
Now we have to hear Matts take on the economic situation now? Im sure Matt is highly qualified to speak on the topic. I bet he watched 30 whole minutes of MSNBC to catch up onn all the facts.
good curve Phranchise. Wang has to get work, plain and simple. Lose the battle, win the war.
Fire Michael Kay:-
How about you hold your breath until you hear that then?
lets go bats!
RalphieD (OPPC all day)
June 10th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
balk= more evidence of weirdness
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I appreciate the support here Ralphie. I am very good at sniffing out crazy. LOL
I am with you here, Matt. I think Wang’s stuff is ok tonight.
Let’s hope Hughes will do well tonight~~
PS. Can ppl stop complaining………
come on phranchise
Ironically, one of the best moves Cashman ever made was not breaking practice and signing Wang long-term. Hate to say it but this guy is mentally crushed. The good news is that players such as Greinke have proven that you can come back from serious mental deficiencies
I liked the original starters for this series: CC Hughes Joba
Too bad for last Friday’s rain out.
Now only if our hitters have some professional ABs against Wakefield.
Wang is awful he should of never been put in the starting rotation. He was good in the bullpen he is no longer a starting pitcher.
Finally we get to see a real pitcher
HUGHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rachel,
Wang has no options and he’s not injured. If he needs to fix mechanics, it has to be up here.
Pete- couple of things (just scrolled up to read your earlier posts)
a) who complains when a guy gets a bunt hit against a knuckleballer where he would at the very least get the runner over to second…and the umps didn’t miss the call youks foot was off the bag
b) how exactly does bringing a starter into the game with a man on base mess with his arm?
wang is not in the minors because he cant be…………..
you ever here of options?????????????????????
They cannot afford to put up with Wangs growing pains or need to figure things out. He needs to pitch better or THE END….
this cannot go on for 5 more starts… he looked better then the first 3 starts, got some bad luck, but he still needs to be a lot better.. bottom line..
I feel like I’m watching the ALDS of recent years… our starting pitchers get hammered and can’t even make it out of the 3rd inning, giving the team no chance to win
I have to throw in with the “Wang was rough” crowd tonight.
For fun, go to any gameday thread on the blog and do a find in the comments for the word “squeeze”… apparently umps squeeze the Yankee starter almost every night. Funny how that works, huh?
start chipping away
Gardner should of been in center and Melky in right. Fenway right field is a tough field to play. Also if Gardner got on baseball he can run crazy on Wakefield.
Let Wang start against the Nationals in the pitchers ballpark if he cant shutdown the AAA nationals with Adam D. and Zimmerman then he is screwed.
Trish…feel free.
Fire Michael Kay
Being insulting ends the conversation. End of response.
I hope Wang finds his way back…. He can turn towards the Bronx & start walking now..
yeah that bunt hit by swisher, pete forgot to tell you was a hit.
the problem was swisher running the bases with a terrible obvious stupid blunder……that is a mind issue……….
Wang always bombed in the playoffs anyway so this can’t be much of a surprise that he stinks now.
Keep him in the pen for mop up duty.
FMK
You are right.
Yeah helno, criticizing me rather than actually refuting my point makes you look so brilliant.
If you don’t like what I have to say, then use some EVIDENCE to argue against it. If you are just going to try to toss out personal insults, then don’t bother.
You have posted nothing on this blog other than personal attacks on other posters.
>The Yankees might want to have Ron Guidry come in and take a look.
>He had a good rapport with Wang for whatever reason.
Not Ron Guidry– Neil Allen. Ad nauseum.
wow. well the pitching won’t matter if we cannot score.
Now Jorge swings at a ball that was head level…ouch
Awful swing by Posada. That was over his head!
If the ball is high, swing at it. LOL Good swing Georgie!!
How about we talk about the fact that we got 2 hit shutout last night, and have 1 run against Wakefield while chasing pitches nowhere close to the zone?
1st and 3rd, no outs, and we didn’t even score ONE out of that spot. The offense is what’s really the problem.
Who cares if our pitchers give up 4 or 40 if we can’t score a run?
Now the Yankee offense will go into hiding!
this looks so bad.
Pete, re: messing with his arm, I suspect Joe was bringing Hughes in that inning no matter what once he started warming him up, so it didn’t really matter. And I suspect he’ll be back in the rotation next turn.
Where did our offense go?
How sure are you, Jeff? You think skipping him will help Wang build up his strength and improve his stuff?
sorry, runner over FROM second
Wang has no options. He hasn’t had them for years. You people really don’t know what you’re talking about. How about you do a little research before you flip out and say extreme stuff?
It seems that the Yankees now have an inferiority complex when facing the Sux.
” Hate to say it but this guy is mentally crushed. The good news is that players such as Greinke have proven that you can come back from serious mental deficiencies”
mentally crushed?
i love hearing people who have never had the ability to step between the lines talk about mental toughness.
Boston and the Mets winning again? Hell for a Yankee fan up to this point.
sutcliffe sucks so bad!
he laughs at everything he says, it is the worst annoucing i have heard other than jon miller.
Angel, you have to understand the mentality of the crybaby to understand some of the posters here. You have a bunch of posters who spin out of control from the first inning on, so you can hardly expect that ilk to be able to put their panic aside long enough to factor in some shaky defense behind Wang and understand that Wang is still working his way back and that they should actually appreciate that Wang was able to get those strikeouts since that bodes well for his progress.
Instead they feel fulfilled complaining bitterly and not understanding the concept of progress because anything short of a no hitter throws them right off.
Sickening isn’t it?
Matt Im not aruging economics on a baseball blog. Also Ive made a ton of good and even some funny points but you arent going to get them because you are in love with Wang. Thats fine. Everyone has their delusions yours is just Wang.
Dear Yankees-
Please start scoring runs now. Please
Thank you
Where did our offense go?_
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Its not the 7th inning yet, Yankees are allergic to scoring early.
We need to show more patience against Wakefield. He can’t throw a ton of strikes.
Regarding Wang – if he were the CMW from 2006, 2007 we could use him. If he’s going to pitch to a 10+ ERA, we can’t. And we can’t give away game after game trying to “get him right” when we could realistically win those games by starting Hughes.
If we were starting Karstens or Ponson…that’d be different…but we have someone who is potentially good waiting in the wings. We can’t keep doing this with Wang.
Matt – now you’re making some sense
It’s sad that I have to mention this yet again. But some people who try to comment on this blog lack intelligence.
Just because the Yankees are losing and you upset doesn’t mean you can use obscene word, crude terms, racist language, etc. when you post. If you are incapable of expressinh yourself otherwise, do society a favor and go play in traffic. Just don’t post here.
Thanks.
Maybe I’m way off, but I really feel that the problem is Dave Eiland. It’s not just Wang who seems totally off — it’s also Burnett and countless others in the pen. I agree that a few of the people in the latter category are just garbage (i.e., Veras), but it’s the job of a pitching coach to figure out mechanical flaws and to fix them.
pat
That’s not an insult. I’d love to be Nick Green. The guy has been a bum everywhere he’s been, goes to the red sox, then suddenly understands how to take pitches, foul pitches off to keep at bats alive, put balls in play to avoid strikeouts, etc.
On the side of cheerful news, Pavano just gave up a grand slam and is losing to punchless Kansas City 9-0.
Swish – some retribution here buddy – c’mon now…
trisha-
Nice to see that there are many level headed fans here as well.
“They might have to do to Wang what the Jays did to Halladay. Send him to Tampa and redo all of his mechanics and get him back to where he needs to be.”
That’s not necessary now. That was the fear his first three starts but not now.
They need to DL wang again and just have him throw a ton of innings in extended spring training and then spend a full 30 days in AAA.
That’s it.
In no way do they need to break him down and build him up today.
Wang got lit up the first three games because his ball had no sink. He wasn’t walking guys – he was throwing strikes but he had no movement.
Tonight was the exact opposite – he had too much movement. His ball was kept falling downwards out of the zone. His problem tonight wasn’t movement it was command.
Wang tonight looks like pitchers do in spring training. Alex looks that way up at the plate. With a hitter you can hide that. With a pitcher you can’t.
Wang is going to be fine. He just needs to build up strength in his legs and arms.
Just like last game his stuff took a nose dive after the threw 50-60 pitches. After he his that 55 pitch mark he started leaving balls up in the zone and that’s when he gave up the HR to Lowell and fly ball to Ortiz.
Girardi absolutely made the right move taking him out then – he probably should have taken him out earlier.
John Lackey is coming back from injury and he’s getting lit up for the angels. He’s been terrible for the angels since returning to the majors.
Do you send Lackey to A ball and write him off?
Maybe the problem is in Wang’s head, and Eiland can’t fix that…
I am sure they can put him back on the DL with the hip problem or whatever it was called that they put him on the DL for last time. Winning games is more important then losing every 5th day while Wang tries to find himself. Hughes gives them the better chance right now and he deserves to be out there instead of Wang.
Umm, mentally crushed?
Except for a few people, the comments section of this blog is not the place I’d go to find people who know anything about mental toughness.
I realize Matsui is 1-1 with a walk but…
Why isn’t Gardner playing tonight? Matsui was in an 0-16 funk. Gardner’s slap style is probably better against the knuckleball and he’d run WILD on Wakefield.
Wow not a strike to Swisher on 3-1
that was a ball
Also, does anyone remember when cashman the brilliant had a choice between igawa and lilly as they were both a free agent at the same time and their asking prices were quite similar when the posting fee was added into the total and cash with all his genius chose igawa because his price wasnt included in the luxury tax while lilly’s was.
This is the price the yanks payed for being cheap and for letting cash be our GM even though he is a dud –
Lilly 2007 – 207 innings, 15 and 8, 3.83 era 1.14 whip
Igawa 2007 – 67 innings, 2 and 3, 6.25 era 1.67 whip
Lilly 2008 – 204 innings, 17 and 9, 4.09 era, 1.23 whip
Igawa 2008 – only 4 innings in the majors, 156 innings with a 3.45 era in Scranton
Lilly 2009 – 78 innings, 7 and 4, 3.00 era, 1.051 whip
Igawa 2009 – 63 innings in scranton and has yet to pitch in the majors
Now, I was a HUGE proponent of signing lilly as I thought the luxury tax was well worth it to get a guy with a much more proven track record and some experience in NY but of course, the yanks decided to form their plans as a knee jerk reaction to the sox acting like a little girl who mean older sister stole her favorite toy. And that sums up Brian cashmans career pretty much – he can make the no-brainers but when it comes to the smart plays and trying to access value he is seemingly clueless. Having igawa instead of lilly may very well be the reason we have not made it past the division series in a few years now.
anyone realize espn never shows the clear balls called strikes against the yankees on k zone?
Melky take some pitches here now
“i love hearing people who have never had the ability to step between the lines talk about mental toughness.”
Randy if there’s one thing we’ve learned it’s that mental toughness is not prevalent on this forum.
looks like Wakefield losing it now, and Sawx pen isn’t all that!
A bloop and a blast, please…
Let’s get a hit with these runners on for once..
lets go “pepsi clutch player of the month”
I don’t think Wang’s head is the problem. I think he was rushed back because Yankee management panicked and it backfired. I think he should have remained on the DL. The Yankee mgmt really needs to think about the mess it made. They should sit in the corner while they do it.
Mr.Clutch delivers!
4-2
Nice job Milk man
melkman delivers!
LOL @ Randy. You’re on fire tonight!
I think everyone needs to read and “accept” CB’s post on Wang before accessing this website. The important, significant things, were there – velocity and movement. The things that will come around with more work weren’t – location and command.
Melky!
Good job by Matsui to score on that.
yes Melky! come on, we can do this!
yes!!!!!!!!!!!! A hit with runners on…keep it going guys…
I am calling a jeter 3 run homerun right here.
Oh look at that – two runs.
Contrary to popular belief, the sky isn’t falling.
That’s what happens when your second baseman is 2 feet tall.
Get him some heels.
Bat Melky 4th lol
Wang was never an ace, a #3 starter at best…and he was terrible in the playoffs…AROD has regressed, too much thinking, swinging at bad pitches, swing does not look right…..Teixeira is our best player, hands down, pitchers will continue to pitch around him to get to AROD like Beckett did last night…..if some people on this blog feel we complain too much, well we are fans and do not like the possibility of going to 0-7 vs. the Sox, plus Wang should never have started this game, that was an easy call…..
I remain a believer in Wang.
I think someone, Eiland Girardi, Nadi Contreras…has to find some small flaw in his mechanics and he will come back.
What I don’t understand is how he looked really good out of the pen.
Maybe he has to work his flaws out from the pen??
Okay- did anyone notice the walking started when Swisher was up and I asked very nicely for runs??? If all else fails, you should always try politeness
good thing Dustin’s not 5 foot 5!!
Wow what a disaster this game is.
It’s 4-2 in the 4th inning of a game in Fenway park with Tim Wakefield on the mound.
Shutter to think. What a deficit. All is lost…
Wakefield’s back looks like it’s bothering him. His posture coming out of his windup looks like he’s favoring it.
Please can someone make Eckersley shut up??
I’m seriously thinking about watching the game w/o sound.
Melky gets it done…
Momentum will shift again…
Pinstripes will regroup…
Well, at least it would get one less start for Wang, but the Yankees aren’t trying to avoid him (yet), they are trying to get him going. Also, those games are in NL parks, so that will be their excuse for not using Wang, you know, the we don’t want him to run excuse.
oh, i forgot, nick green also somehow learned how to go to the opposite field.
STOP. FIRST. PITCH. SWINGING.
Geez, Derek, got somewhere to be?
When the score is 4-1 and you score a run you don’t cut the lead in half. Kay is an idiot.
damn i was wrong, is it me or is jeter taking absolutely no pitches anymore?
Way to swing at the first pitch with a guy having trouble finding the zone, Jeter….sigh…
Jeter has looked lost all night.
Note to Derek:
When you fail, please don’t smile.
Jeter…Just to think a couple of days ago we were debating about the bunt in the 5th inning.
“good thing Dustin’s not 5 foot 5!!good thing Dustin’s not 5 foot 5!!good thing Dustin’s not 5 foot 5!!”
LOL
Excellent point. That could have been a DP!
What do you expect Wang to do? They screwed him by not letting him get truly prepared to start in the minor leagues when he was coming off his DL stint in a panic move.
They used him for 2 inning stints out of the pen and never let him build up arm strength. Now he doesn’t have enough arm strength to go more than 65-70 pitches and since they are not letting him build up his pitch count, what do you think will happen the next time out?
The Yankees blew it, plain and simple. Wang has had decent stuff in these games, but with them jerking him around so much (yes, I know how that sounds…), he has no chance!
The guy is so frustrated from his performance and the organization continues to give him no chance to get back to his normal self. They are pulling him early in games, not letting him build up his pitch counts, and using him erratically when they call him up from the pen. What do you expect?
please walk damon for tex
man derek, brutal-
Come on Johnny, get one here for Torre-
Jeter you know better, the man cant throw strikes this inning. Come ON!!!
“In no way do they need to break him down and build him up today.”
Ok so maybe they don’t have to redo his mechanics. But he needs to get more starts in the minors until he is right.
CB my only question would be how do you DL Wang this time around? I agree with your analysis as Wang cannot recover up in the big leagues as it will overwork our bullpen and it will put us behind the eight ball right away in the game. I feel for Wang, but he can not rehab in the majors as that is what the minors are for.
For those who are delusional defending Wang. You’re looking for some good in his performance. I get it. I am a Wang fan but he has not pitched well and he did not do so this evening. Pitchers are allowed to have bad starts but to keep running Wang out there when he is obviously not the same is not the answer. Let him pitch more in relief until you are sure that he can provide some quality innings. I feel much more comfortable with Hughes in the rotation at this juncture.
Here’s hoping Johnny extends the inning for Tex to do his thing.
game is on ESPH HD, no need to listen to Eck the idiot on NESN….
CB
The game is not lost or a disaster. The idea of starting Wang to get him right at the potential cost of losing this game was a disaster.
No such thing as a safe lead in Fenway.
Matt-
I agree with you. They panicked when Hughes and Joba struggled and called up Wang before he was strong enough.
Everyone should read the chapter in Torre’s book on Damon.
Not very nice stuff in there.
Johnny should be pissed.
Wakefield is really amazing, when you think about what he’s done
CB, thank you for being a voice of reason re: Wang. Matt, for the record i’m with you about Wang’s command. He just needs to keep working. I’m not happy about the stats, but im happy with the stuff i saw tonight.
That was a ball.
that wasnt anywhere near a strike
Matt are you kidding. we cannot keep losing to boston. there is a new energy with hughes coming in. we cannot keep letting wang work it out mid game. as much as we all want wang to get back to normal, we want to win now.
BAD CALL on last pitch.
I have Torre’s book, I will read that chapter after the game…I’m only in Chapter 2, but I will skip
Fail
AJ was allowed to pitch balls through out the game. So “How much longer can the Yankees tolerate this from Wang? He can’t throw a strike and when he does, it gets hit.” is an fair question? And Wang was bad in the game, but he sent 3 Ks to Boston too. But to bring Hughes in after he struck out Green. I just don’t under stand.
shocker, leaving two men on….
again.
Wang looked great in the bullpen when he only had to pitch 2 innings. Why not use him as our long reliever, and put Hughes back in the rotation? That would free Aceves up to pitch more in the 8th innings only.
I think this would make our team better for now, but obviously the huge problem is what happens when Joba and Hughes both reach their innings limit later in the season.
Also, the Yankees don’t have anyone else in the minors ready to step in if someone gets injured. Hughes was their last legitimate option.
Ugh…
If the bullpen takes over for Wakefield soon we’re screwed. 17-18 innings with just allowing 1 run for Boston.
Good call by the umpire. Stupid fool. When the Boston broadcasters tell you that the umpire called something a strike that was clearly out of the zone, believe it.
chip chip chip
Up to Hughes to keep them in the game.
what is that like 6 LOB in 4 innings??
JJ.. joe wanted wang to leave on something positive.
Where is the strike zone?
That second fastball Wakfield threw was a ball it wasn’t even close.
Keith–FL
Thanks for the heads up. I was getting tired of Eck.
Wake up guys and see reality.
They just cannot buy a hit with RISP.
What’s the real problem? The fact that they are down runs, or the fact that they can’t score runs? I’d say the latter is more pressing right now.
If you go into Fenway Park and don’t score runs, you can’t possibly expect to win. Our offense has been a joke since the Rays series and it continues into this one.
UNless they can find another injury excuse he cant go down to the minors.. i trust Veras more than Wang… and i know how much i trust Veras..
CB is dead on with Wang. The stuff is more than there, but the command isn’t. However I don’t think DLing him again is the right answer.
It’s a bad combination to have Wang work out issues in the game when we’re facing the Red Sox and are 0-6 against them. The Yankees are hitting horribly and that puts more pressure on Wang to pitch better.
If his next start is against the Nationals, HOPEFULLY our offense can do some damage and give Wang enough breathing room to relax and concentrate on working out some kinks.
Again, the movement is there. The velocity is there. The command is not. It’ll be worked out and he’ll be fine soon.
this is somewhat comical
Scott,
I totally 2nd that and I would 3rd it if I could! lol
And anyone who is defending the umpires in this series needs to watch a lot more closely. Beckett last night and now Wakefield tonight are getting some pitches many inches off the plate, while Yankees pitchers are begging for strikes on pitches right over the plate.
HEY, I know you all HATE me and I have SO MUCH to complain about but I promise to be POSITIVE tonight if someone answers a QUESTION.
Who wanted Johnny Damon off the team? The red sox or the yankees? I MISSED that part? What kind of IDIOTS wanted him off? That is so rude to have him have to hear that. THANKS!
THat’s how many men left on base?
CB – you were saying about being down 4-2?
You watching this same team?
I don’t understand the optimism some people have when we have to watch Swisher, Jeter, Arod and Cano fail with RISP repeatedly in this series.
This game should be at least 4-3.
I predict we hit Wakefield hard next inning. He had it coming just then but the blown call ruined Damon’s at bat.
Yeah Matt….you posted after he walked about 5….great movement – right out of the zone.
Got the game on Yes, NESN and ESPN in So Florida. Direct TV and baseball package and I’m choosing Yes and Kay stinks but Singleton and Flaherty make it bearable.
RS – I agree. I think Wang will not be a valuable starter this year but he has had some success in the pen. Not sure why exactly but he has. Why not let him pitch in the pen this year and then try to make him a starter next year after an offseason rehabilitation program.
Matt
Was Girardi on the mound throwing those pitches? Sure looked like Wang to me.
Fact is, Wang is NOT back to the pitcher who won 19 games back to back. Right now, he looks like Kevin Brown when Brown was 40 with a bad back. Flat, 90 MPH “Sinkers” that get crushed with regularity.
I don’t see how they can keep running him out there to “get him right” when they have a viable alternative in Hughes. We can’t just keep saying “every 5th day we will have 5 runs scored against us by the 4th inning and will just have to deal”
where was that?
mlb really needs to do something about the umping. it gets worse every year.
In my opinion, Wang should have made his first start against the Nationals…
If confidence was part of the problem, why risk starting him against lineups like Texas and Boston?
Sure, if he succeeds his confidence would get a boost, but it was a tall order to begin with, and if he did not succeed, then what?
“my only question would be how do you DL Wang this time around?”
Oh that’s easy. All you have to say is that Wang has residual weakness in this hips or legs. Soreness in his arm. Whatever.
It’s really not a stretch – he’s not right at this moment. He’s running out of gas after 50 pitches.
They can use any of those reasons to DL him.
Pete, your post at 8:18 is a fair assumption, but are you certain that this is any different than starting a game?
Does it really hurt Phil’s arm? I mean, he throws 8 innings in a game at times. What’s so bad about coming in and throwing some?
it’s raining pretty good there
The problem with Wang is that he isn’t athletic. Anyone watching him run those bases vs the Astros knows that.
He came back from his injury weak and not prepared to pitch this season. The Yankees rushed him back from AAA. He really should still be there right now working on getting his game and strength back.
I’d be very careful when Wang is a free agent, because this is a sign of what happens to Wang when his velocity drop and can’t command that sinker. He then throws a flat as a pancake fastball.
Did anyone else lose their YES signal or is it just me??
i think the yankees are going to win this one, but they are making it look real ugly at the plate.
Deborah – read the book.
Paints Damon as wanting to quit, asking out of lineups, being aloof, all of the above….
Matt,
It’s been this way for years, thats what makes our 13 straight playoff app. more special. BTW, ESPN shorted us a year on our playoff app. they said 12 yesterday.
umm – was the idea to bring wang back up all of yankees management? I love how when its a good move its brian cashman. When it is dumb, it is yankees managment. Please – blame brian cashman. Wang should have never come back here. There was NO reason to rush him back. Now, we have to pay the price once again for brian. Time for this guy to go. Actually that time hit around 3 years ago!!!!
well who cares how our pitchers pitch, if we cant score, not every team has bad bullpen that we can beat up on.
Everyone at Fenway thinks that any ball hit in the air is a homerun. It’s really annoying.
Agree or disagree. Wang is awful tonight. Does not matter if his sinker has big movement, you are awful if you can’t get the strike zone. “squeezed”? great pitcher know how to adjust, right? good sinking without command=nothing. he is still not to his old form
5 year 50 million deal for Sanchez.
Blog Poster
You should have some faith in the offense. Have you learned nothing from the last month and a half? Or do you just think what you saw yesterday is the way it always is?
Geez.
First pitch to Drew was the same spot Wakefield’s 3-1 to Damon, but let’s keep defending the home plate umpire.
would the Yankees really get Guidry to come in and check out Wang?
Mark-Cant Touch This (Milk man Rules)
June 10th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Bat Melky 4th lol
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Hey – looks like he’s getting back his LH swing.
Garcia was slated to pitch tonight, but there was a rain delay, so we’ll see. Good news is Eduardo Nunez back and got a hit.
did anyone watching espn hear the commercial annoucer say terms of sanchez deal not available but on the screen it said 5/50?
I have a hughes question. If I remember correctly last year when he was not performing well wasnt one of the issues that he couldnt see the catchers signs and they said he needed glasses or something along those lines? Did he get contacts (since he doesnt have glasses on now) or was that one of the times when the yankees were wrong or lying about injuries?
espn doesnt even try sometimes.
I consider Cashman a part of Yankee management. When I made my statement, I was speaking as a generalization
GGBG,
He was throwing 95-96 tonight with insane movement. That is not even close to the situation you just described.
He has his stuff right now, he’s just getting very unlucky. He is throwing some good pitches that aren’t getting called and his defense really let him down tonight.
Kay talking about sending Hughes down to AAA when Bruney comes back.
No way !!!!
I like Hughes’ fast in between pitches
horrible
Melky hesitated.
“Again, the movement is there. The velocity is there. The command is not. It’ll be worked out and he’ll be fine soon.”
Those are all reasonable points. My main concern is that he’s really running out of gas at 50-60 pitches.
That’s why I think he needs time in the minors.
Even tonight he looked very different in that last inning when he crossed the 55-60 pitch mark. That’s when he gave up the long fly balls.
If he’s good for throwing 50-60 pitches with his movement then it’s tough to have him get stretched out to 100 pitches in the majors.
anyone still notice that k zone only appears when boston is up and never for the yankees?
What a terrible throw…Melky should of had him at 3rd.
“Tonight was the exact opposite – he had too much movement. His ball was kept falling downwards out of the zone. His problem tonight wasn’t movement it was command.”
cb-
i saw the same thing. tonight stuff wise wang was actually impressive. 94-95 with his four seam fastball.
i’m going to throw something in about posada. when a catcher sees this kind of movement, he has to make adjustments.
you can’t keep calling for sinkers when they’re breaking out of the zone. posada didn’t hesitate to call for four seam fastballs at 3-0 and 3-1 . but why wait until then?
posada needed to call some early in the count to get ahead in the count. wang didn’t have trouble throwing four seam strikes. he had trouble throwing the sinker for strikes.
wang having his stuff back is the dark before the dawn . he’s actually close to being back.
that said , while it’s early, these games are two game swings and hughes is out there and ready to go. wang threw enough to build some more strength.
hughes coming in is the move to make.
Damn…good throw woulda beat Drew there.
TERRIBLE play by Melky. He had him out by a mile if he actually thew the ball.
Kevin in 908,
The Red Sox DL players all the time with no reason, the way Bill Beli chick lies about players on the injury list every week.
Helno51-
He did indeed need glasses. In fact, he wound up getting glasses that were so thick that the other players called them coke bottles.
He must be wearing contacts now
tex’s friend, the real frustration is that in a game like this, the last thing you want is joke for a home plate ump. Two of Damon’s pitches at least were out of the zone, but were called strikes. So that takes the play out of his hand when he has two strikes on him and instead of being able to pick his pitch he has to swing at anything close since the umpire is calling pitches that are way outside strikes. So with two runners on, Damon ends up popping up.
Bad calls are very very frustrating.
that’s ok Phil, get an IEDP, Youk can do it!
These ESPN guys make Eckersley and NESN seem a bit more objective.
There’s no reason why Drew got a triple there and Teixera didn’t get a triple before…I think. Or was CF there already?
I never have heard such NEGATIVE things about Damon. What kind of book is this? Joe Torre’s BOOK?
The reason Wang is running out of gas is because his command is way off and he’s throwing 30 pitch innings. I’d say that pitching 4 innings 25 pitches each is more tiring than going 8 innings 110-120 pitches.
The Yanks made a pretty fatal error by bringing Wang up prematurely. Wang is simply not ready to pitch in the big leagues and the Yanks need to win games. You can’t build arm strength by throwing 30, 40 pitch innings.
game.
blouses.
ok, take it back!
I HATE KEVIN YOUKILLIOUS OMG I HAVE TO GO I CANT DO THIS BYE
I really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, hate Boston.
Stop calling so many FBs Jorge.
There in our hedz
I can’t decide which is worse – this or PSD.
Quote from PSD poster:
“Wang needs to be traded as soon as possible.”
I just may return to the pre-Internet world.
Why cant our hitters do that!
I’m outta here……..Better luck tomorrow
I was just about to post that the Yanks are in good shape with a rested Hughes on the mound vs Wakefield and only a 2 run deficit but… yeah.
Thank you Erica. And that should just about end the game.
come on Phil
I hate the Red Sox!!!
christ – can we please have an inning where they DON’T score???
0-7
Well there you guys go.
Stop bashing Wang. It’s not Wang, the whole team didn’t show up to play tonight.
The defense has been a joke, the offense has been a joke, and ALL the pitchers are afraid to throw strikes, and when they don’t throw strikes, they throw meatballs in hitters counts and pay.
The Yankees just are playing TERRIBLE baseball right now. In ever aspect of the game. Who cares what the pitching does if we don’t score or we don’t make ROUTINE plays in the field behind them?
@CB, regarding the pitches…
Absolutely. Which is why he needs to continue making starts every 5th day. Otherwise his progress will only be hindered. Because lets be honest, the minors isn’t going to help him fix his problems.
And as I type this… 4 runs down, with the way the offense is swinging? Hello 0-7.
youks says … in ya face disgrace!!!!
not so much about defending the homeplate ump tonight, it’s just comical how almost every single night there’s handwringing in the comments about how yank pitchers are being squeezed. i do agree that the defense and luck were not really happening tonight, though.
Oh Hughes…I really wanted to see him to really, really well today. Damn…hopefully he can bounce back off of that.
i’m done with this team tonight.. complete waste of time! 0-7 against the hated rivals is disgusting and I won’t tolerate it.. Take the series against Tampa and just completely fall off the wagon against this team that I HATE so much!
they have 5 more innings to get it together, and we all know they can hit, Wakefield won’t last much longer, and they CAN do it.
starts like Wang today and Burnette yesterday should make us appreciate Pettite so much more, he may not have good stuff every night and is declining but he BATTLES and doesn’t embarress the Yankee name
So what else is on Tv tonight?
Hey call something else Jorge
Geez. Here we go again………….
I still think it was a mistake for Joe to say that this was a big series. The players are tight now in the clutch (a bunch of runners left on yet again, reminiscent of early this eason) – maybe because they are putting too much pressure on themselves.
I missed Phil – how’d he look in his first inning? Can he go 4 tonight?
Bad location for Hughes with his fastball. Hopefully the big man has his good stuff tomorrow.
” I HATE KEVIN YOUKILLIOUS OMG I HAVE TO GO I CANT DO THIS BYE ”
We will never beat this team. I even suspect CC will choke tomorrow.
“game.
blouses.”
That’s a pretty hilarious comment and deserves to be quoted
made me smile in the midst of another potential loss to the sox
Bye Terry from NH, just hit the close button and you’ll be gone!!! see ya
This game is over.
Congrats guys, we just lost what the Manager called a “big” series.
This game is over.
Congrats guys, we just lost what the Manager called a “big” series.
See what happens when you mix up pitches!
I am tired of seeing Francona smile so much after the Sox score, tired since Ellsbury stole home, we need to do something to make him look unhappy…tired of those fans….all the Sox just look way too happy and comfortable, maybe like we did after 19-8 in game 3 in 2004…Yanks need to watch the Sox and how they look and remember and use it to help beat them….
matt – not true. you told me that wang was throwing strikes all night but was not getting the calls. have you changed your tune for forgot your previous insanity?
“they have 5 more innings to get it together, and we all know they can hit,”
Yeah, genius, but Boston has scored in every inning. It may take 10 runs to win this game.
imagine if the yanks were 5 games out of 1st going into this series and this happened…75% of the people on this blog would hang themselves and the other 25% would bury them
THat’s how many men left on base?
CB – you were saying about being down 4-2?
You watching this same team?
I don’t understand the optimism some people have when we have to watch Swisher, Jeter, Arod and Cano fail with RISP repeatedly in this series.
This game should be at least 4-3.
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I don’t understand why people sound happy when they get to prove someone wrong due to things going badly. Does it make you feel better?
When people can’t tell the difference between hatred and venting in your posts, then i’d rethink my posts.
2-0 pitch to Youkilis, most hitters look for FB. He was looking for it.
Throw a breaking ball there. Nice pitch selection Jorge.
why does everyone hate boston? because they have a smarter team, not better, and they clearly have better general manager, manager, coaches.
I love how we finally get an ace and our number one starter before that ace arrives all of a sudden becomes a pile of crap. I mean what is with that?
NickSF–The remark about giving birth in Fenway is the WORST post today. One should not make tasteless jokes when a Yankee player’s wife is giving birth to their first child.
Don’t worry guys. We got this game – have you seen the meatballs that Wake is throwing up there? And he is 10-17 lifetime.
I sense another comeback on the way (#21 is it?)
AJ set the tone for the series last night. Inexcusable effort for an $80M contract.