Game 59: Yankees at Red Sox
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jun 10, 2009 
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YANKEES (34-24)
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Cano 2B
Posada C
Matsui DH
Swisher RF
Cabrera CF
Pitching: RHP Chien-Ming Wang (0-3, 14.46).
RED SOX (34-24)
Pedroia 2B
Drew RF
Youkilis 1B
Bay LF
Lowell 3B
Ortiz DH
Kotsay CF
Green SS
Kottaras C
Pitching: RHP Tim Wakefield (7-3, 4.50).
TIME/TV: 7:10 p.m., YES.
THE STREAK LIVES: The Yankees are 0-6 against Boston this season, getting outscored 45-27. They have lost seven straight against Boson dating back to last season. That is the longest such streak since the Red Sox beat the Yankees seven straight starting at the end of the 1984 season and going into 1985.
The Red Sox beat the Yankees 14 straight from April 11-July 1, 1912.
WANG MORE TIME: Chien-Ming Wang had a shaky return to the rotation on June 4, allowing five runs on seven hits over 4.2 innings. Now he’ll be working on five days of rest. Wang threw two bullpens to try and maintain his stuff. CMW is 6-5, 4.82 in 14 career games against Boston, 3-3, 5.11 at Fenway Park.
Wang has not faced the Red Sox since April 16, 2008 when he allowed eight runs in four innings. In the five days prior to that, he allowed one run over nine innings. He is 4-1, 4.53 in his last six starts against Boston.
OLD FOE: This will be the 33rd start Tim Wakefield will make against the Yankees. He is 10-17 with a 5.03 ERA in his career. He has more losses against the Yankees than any other team.
MOVE OVER GEORGE: Derek Jeter has 423 doubles. He needs one more to match Babe Ruth for fourth place in team history.
SLOPPY SEVEN: The Yankees have committed at least one error in the last seven games. Alex Rodriguez has three of those miscues.
MELKY MAN STRUGGLES: Melky Cabrera is 4 for 28 (.143) since missing nearly all of five games with a bruised shoulder.
AND HE REMAINS ON THE TEAM WHY EXACTLY? Jose Veras has thrown 23.2 innings this season. He has put 38 runners on base via hit, walk or HBP. He has allowed three homers in his last 4.1 innings.
PLUNK: The Yankees have hit at least one Boston batter with a pitch in all six games this season and in nine straight dating back to last season.
PEN MEN: Boston’s bullpen has allowed one earned run in its last 17.1 innings.
SMALL DROUGHT: A-Rod has one home run in his last 15 games. He is 4 of his last 24 (.167).
Back with much more later.
UPDATE, 5:37 p.m.: CMW’s wife is due to give birth to their first child any day now in New York. But all was fine as of this afternoon and the Wanger was in front of his locker this afternoon with a dip in as he looked as scouting reports. The Wangs are having a boy and trust me when I tell you, this is big, big news in Taiwan.
Xavier Nady will join the Yankees on Friday to workout over the weekend. Then they’ll figure out where to send him for some games. … Weather permitting, Brian Bruney will face some hitters at Fenway in a simulated game tomorrow. Then he could make a rehab appearance someplace on Saturday.
UPDATE, 6:33 p.m.: Quickie draft recap from Day Two: The Yankees took 25 players, 14 of them pitchers. Eleven of those were college pitchers with six of them lefties.
. Twelve of them were college pitchers, half of those lefties. They only took three high school players.
UPDATE, 7:10 p.m.: We’re underway here in Boston. 57 degrees at first pitch.
UPDATE, 7:13 p.m.: Interesting, Tex hits right-handed against Wakefield. He was hitting .207 against the knuckleballer before that single.
UPDATE, 7:19 p.m.: No Jacoby Ellsbury today and probably not tomorrow for Boston as he recovers from a shoulder injury. … Oh, and Happy Birthday to Boston Globe beat writer Amalie Benjamin, who has relatives in Westchester.
UPDATE, 7:25 p.m.: Contrary to what you may have read or heard elsewhere, Wang has not asked to leave during the game if his wife goes into labor. He’s pitching tonight, period. There is no plane waiting for him or anything like that. She is due this week, she is not in labor. Girardi waa more or less kidding when he said Wang could leave. It never came up.
UPDATE, 7:33 p.m.: This is ugly as Wang has allowed a run on three walks and hit and is behing Kotsay 3-1. Robertson warming up already.
UPDATE, 7:34 p.m.: Wang may have been one pitch away from losing his job but he came back from a 3-0 count to get Kotsay to ground to second. He threw 29 pitches in that innning.
UPDATE, 7:40 p.m.: Posada helps his battery mate by homering. Now the Yankees have runners on the corners thanks to a bad call at first base.
Then as I write this, Swisher is doubled off. Guess it evened out.
UPDATE, 7:42 p.m.: Meanwhile, the Yankees are bunting at Fenway Park in the second inning of a 1-0 game? What exactly is the thinking there? Let Nick Swisher swing the bat. They traded for him because of his power potential, not so he could give himself up.
UPDATE, 7:51 p.m.: How much longer can the Yankees tolerate this from Wang? He can’t throw a strike and when he does, it gets hit.
They need to get Hughes in the game and try and make something of this night. Not sure what they do with Wang at this point. It’s a disaster.
Of course, it would help if Nick Swisher could catch a fly ball.
UPDATE, 8:01 p.m.: Wang is not injured. He has hit 96 several times tonight. He has not “lost it” or anything like that. Somebody — and that would be Dave Eiland — needs to figure out what adjustment is needed for him to throw strikes consistently. The Yankees might want to have Ron Guidry come in and take a look. He had a good rapport with Wang for whatever reason.
UPDATE, 8:06 p.m.: Yankees have left three runners stranded in scoring position already.
UPDATE, 8:09 p.m.: Not sure what there is left to say. Wang is at a career crossroads at this point. He is out of options, he apparently isn’t injured and he can’t pitch remotely like he used to. I can’t imagine the Yankees DFA him and what trade value could he have? But they can’t keep running him out there if he’s going to pitch like this.
UPDATE, 8:18 p.m.: That’s it for Wang. 2.2 innings, six hits and three walks. Another disaster. Meanwhile, so much for Joe Girardi saying he would “never” bring Phil Hughes in during the middle of an inning. Why in the world are they messing with this guy’s arm?
UPDATE, 9:03 p.m.: The Yankees have managed to go 2 for 9 with RISP and leave four runners stranded in scoring position in five innings. They’re actually hitting Wakefield pretty well. But he needs only to go another inning to do his job.
Wang as a starter: 13.1 innings, 36 hits, 11 walks, 30 earned runs. That’s a 20.25 ERA.
UPDATE, 9:18 p.m.: The Red Sox are 24-10 with Nick Green at shortstop. That’s quite a trick. … Meanwhile, Hideki Matsui seems to have emerged from his funk with two hits tonight. If this score holds up, there will be big bags of pressure on CC Sabathia tomorrow to avert a sweep. It’s not the standings that are a concern as much as the burden of toting an 0-8 record into the next series.
UPDATE, 9:29 p.m.: Here come the Yankees as Damon and Tex homer off Ramirez. Now they trail 6-5. Quite a night for the first baseman. He is 4 for 4 with two doubles and a homer. He’s looking like an MVP.
UPDATE, 9:31 p.m.: A-Rod 0 for 7 in the series and 4 of his last 27 overall. He seems to have hit a dry spell after his initial surge when he came off the DL.
UPDATE, 9:35 p.m.: Boston’s bullpen was due for a letdown. Now Matsui will face his countryman, Okajima, with a runner on first and two outs. Coke getting warm for the Yankees.
UPDATE, 9:49 p.m.: Hughes allowed two runs in 3.2 innings. That’s OK. But next to Wang, he was Walter Johnson.
UPDATE, 10:01 p.m.: Why not have Gardner steal before the bunt? … Meanwhile, Jeter’s K leaves the Yankees 2 for 12 with RISP. Grim
UPDATE, 10:13 p.m.: If the Yankees can hold Boston here, the top of the ninth will be interesting. Teixeira is 4 for 4. Then A-Rod will come to the plate overdue. He is hitless in his last 12 at-bats and 4 for his last 27. He’s about ready for one of those titanic late-inning blasts that wins the game.
UPDATE, 10:18 p.m: Well, here we go. One way or another, back later with some reaction from the clubhouse.
UPDATE, 10:22 p.m.: Crowd chanting something about steroids at Alex. Apparently it’s Oblivious Hyprocrites Night here at Fenway.
Lets grab 1 today please.
“PLUNK: The Yankees have hit at least one Boston batter with a pitch in all six games this season and in nine straight dating back to last season.”
Good to see. We are no longer lying down and allowing Boston to hit our guys. We are finally standing up to them and sending them a message.
Wang + Hughes + Mo = Win
CMW is 6-5, 4.82 in 14 career games against Boston, 3-3, 5.11 at Fenway Park.
Those are some Ace like numbers right there from the non-ace ace
We’re so going to win tonight.
Can we just beat these turds already? I can’t take the humiliation from my BOSOX friends.
A-Rod’s contract expires in 2017.
I am having an exceptionally WEIRD day. I have a feeling, there will be a weird baseball game tonight to follow suit.
AJ Bustnett had great numbers in Fenway, yet has flopped twice when he was here.
Hope Wang can reverse his trend and throw a goos game in Fenway
(re-post because Pete clearly put up the game thread to try to cover up the *exposure* of his anti-Arod thread posting bias. Busted!)
AHA! Pete’s naken anti-Arod bias is again exposed in all its nakedness!
The previous thread was praiseworthy of Arod’s work ethic.
Time elapsed between the posting of that thread and the next one?
Seven minutes!
Average time elapsed between the posting of a thread critical of Arod and the subsequent thread?
One hour and twelve minutes!
So Arod-critical threads are allowed to marinate in all their new glory for an average or well over an hour while a thread that praises Arod cannot stand alone for even ten minutes!
Draw your own conclusions.
(thanks to the Elias LoHud Bureau for the stats)
i have a much better feeling about todays game than yesterday…i trust wang and i think as long as he gives us good results the innings wont matter as much b/c we have hughes and aceves…the bats need to hit around wakefield…
I’m not going to declare this a must win game, but it would certainly make me feel better to win tonight. That said, when the pitching matchups were posted, this was not one of the games I had circled as a win…last night was supposed to be the toss-up and tomorrow night has been circled…
“We are finally standing up to them and sending them a message”
We’ll stop throwing at you when we win one? That the message?
There are numerous rationale points against the trading of draft picks in MLB. Although I disagree with nearly all of them, here they are:
1. The Agents would have too much power: Take this year for example. If the Nationals agreed to trade the #1 pick (basically, the rights to sign a Scott Boras client) to the Yankees, Scott Boras would essentially be doing the job of a GM, exchanging his one player for other players. MLB has an issue with Scott Boras as it is; he has the ability to control the draft due to the lack of regulations. Could you imagine what would happen if he could negotiate the landing spot of his prized first pick with other players instead of just money?
2. The Yankees and the Red Sox would get all the high-publicity draft picks: If you are like me you subscribe to the belief that a team like the Nationals would benefit more from trading their #1 to the Yankees for 5 or 6 prospects. However, others see the publicity of a #1 pick as value to the franchise. Although the Nationals won’t be able to compete for a few year, the current draft assures, that for at least some years, the Nationals have a nationwide interest in a prospect. The reality is however that once draft picks enter the minors the gaps between the picks tend to disappear. Some of the Yankees better prospects were third and fourth round guys. If the Nationals could’ve traded this #1 pick for, say, a Joba Chamberlain or a couple late round surprises currently in the minors, they would be better off as a team.
Those are the two main reasons why we don’t have the ability to trade draft picks. As a sport, baseball benefits the LEAST from this type of system which is ironic considering the NBA and NFL use a different system. There are 30 baseball teams, each with 40 man rosters. That is 1200 players. Combined with minor league systems, the amount of baseball players alone illustrates the slim chance a number #1 makes a drastic change for a franchise. The Nationals, despite having the #1 pick, have done little to help their team NOW. Combined with the fact that these expensive picks may turn out badly for the team, the Nationals may soon handcuff their franchise for years by giving a huge deal to an unproven pitcher; its counterintuitive to those who believe the Nationals want to IMPROVE their team.
“AJ Bustnett”
I like that, LOL…nearly missed it.
I handed the thesis of doom in today, so the Yankees better win.
Seriously? Wang’s about to be a daddy? Congrats! And that might be another reason why he’s been shaky.
Trust Wang?
Ha… his 5 runs in 4 2/3 was very promising since he last more than 2 innings
“I am having an exceptionally WEIRD day. I have a feeling, there will be a weird baseball game tonight to follow suit.”
Weird as in the Yanks win one against their rivals??
“I handed the thesis of doom in today, so the Yankees better win.”
A swallow carrying a thesis of doom?
It’s not the BoSox fans that I can’t take after a Yankee-BoSox loss, it’s the legions of NY media that I find highly annoying!
Rebecca- What is the thesis of doom???
Trust Wang?
Ha… his 5 runs in 4 2/3 was very promising since he last more than 2 innings
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Wang’s outing was better than Bustnett’s.
“(unless Mrs. Wang has a baby, which could happen at any time)”
Prediction Wanger starts, around the 2nd inning, his wife is said to be giving birth, Yuses comes in the 3rd…shuts downs Boston, Robi has a big night 3 RBIs and the Yankees win 6 – 2.
VB and Erica: I certainly did a lot of gulping-type swallowing when I went to hand it in…
It’s on women and work in medieval Nottingham. That thing was PAINFUL to write.
BTW, all you Torre bashers who said what is Torre going to do now that ManRam is out!! LOL! Well, I guess most of you bashers are still in the closet like Diet Coke waiting to use that line again. The Dodgers are 40-20 and in 1st place by 8½ games. And to top it off ManRam will be coming back soon. The Dodgers are very good and look like the class of the NL. I’d love to see a NYY/LAD world series. It would be great for baseball. But Manny would be scary in Yankee stadium.
Let’s put it this way-
At 9:45 this morning we had a total outage in my office. We lost our phones, network drives and internet. So I couldn’t do any work. And I couldn’t even surf the internet in the absense of doing work. We then had a scheduled fire drill at 10am. Thankfully, I safely made it to the office parking lot pole in the non-flames. They sent us to lunch at 10:30 cause they were tired of us not working and told us to return at 1.
I am now working very hard from home.
I win tonight would be…nice.
That draft tracker thing is pretty cool.
I learned:
1. There’s another Giovani Soto out there.
2. Some prospect named Jacob marisnic loves to tweet
3. The Yankees drafted a kid named Stoneburner. I kid you not.
First of all the Yankees and Red Sawx would not want to shell out a slew of huge bonuses every year, so that is not a reasonable isse.
Foulpole makes some good points abot the fact that there are positives and negatives to getting that number one guy and teams will have to balance that thinking. This is an unusual year to have such a universally acclaimed number one guy that the Nationals should have had the right to auction off the pick if they wanted to.
I would limit draft trades to first rounders. That way no team can “sell off” its entire draft.
Today’s line up from @Yankeeswfan:
Jeter, Damon, Teixeira, Arod, Cano, Posada, Matsui, Swisher, Cabrera.
Rebecca -
Congratulations on getting through it!
Stewart
June 10th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
“AJ Bustnett had great numbers in Fenway, yet has flopped twice when he was here.
Hope Wang can reverse his trend and throw a goos game in Fenway”
We too are looking forward to Wang throwing a “goos” game!
Hopefully Veras gets DFA’ed whenever Marte comes back, or just pitches his way off the team before then. Too bad Melancon has not pitched great since going back to Scranton, we are still all witness to Veras’ foibles as a result.
Ouch Rebecca. Just reading that sentance was painful. Were there equal rights acts in medeival Nottingham?? LOL
“Wang + Hughes + Mo = Win”
Yes, indeed. Looking for a W tonight. What did Cone call it? A “Willy”?
“VB and Erica: I certainly did a lot of gulping-type swallowing when I went to hand it in…
It’s on women and work in medieval Nottingham. That thing was PAINFUL to write.”
My obscure Monty Python joke failed miserably.
Good luck on that one. I remember handing in theses-type papers in college and it involved a lot of sleepless nights.
I think the winner of the World Series should have the #1 draft pick. And then follow the way they’ve done it. A team should be rewarded for being the best in baseball for a year.
Jeter SS, Damon LF, Teixeira 1B, A-Rod 3B, Cano 2B, Posada C, Matsui DH, Swisher RF, Cabrera CF, Wang RHP
Rebecca –
Where on earth did you find any data for that topic? I assume you did not take a trip to Nottingham?
Interesting stat. Yanks .651 winning percentage against teams not named Boston. Sox play at a .538 clip when not playing Yanks. Will be interesting to see how remaining 104 games play out.
If Wang had a boy. What would he call him?
lil wang
lil wanger
wang jr
junior wang
mini wang
mini me
wang 2
So we are comparing Wang’s 5 runs in 4 2/3 to Bustnett’s 5 runs in 2 2/3
Awesome
Hopefully the Artist Formerly Known as Godzilla hits one out tonight.
So we are on Mrs. Wang baby watch 2009?
Go get em tonight Wang!
“If Wang had a boy. What would he call him?
lil wang
lil wanger
wang jr
junior wang
mini wang
mini me
wang 2″
Chung Wang?
How about Willy Wang???
I wonder if Chien-Ming will come back with just a drawing of his new baby once it is born?
VB Oh no, I got the joke. But was it an African swallow?
erica; not even close. Couveture laws basically meant that married women had no rights.
I wonder if Chien-Ming will come back with just a drawing of his new baby once it is born?
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Maybe Matsui will offer to draw a sketch of the newborn
Erica,
Then Omar minaya would tweet Wang and say, “Congratulations on your new baby Wooly!”
Bryan
June 10th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
So we are comparing Wang’s 5 runs in 4 2/3 to Bustnett’s 5 runs in 2 2/3
Awesome
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Yeap, it’s called accepting reality.
Both stunk, one stunk more than the other. Do the math.
I saw ARod having an extended conversation at the end of last night’s game with Kevin Long. I imagine he’d be working on that part of his game, too. He’ll get there.
“VB Oh no, I got the joke. But was it an African swallow?”
I don’t think so, however…
It’s not a question of where it grips the thesis! It’s a simple question of weight ratios! A five ounce bird could not carry a half pound thesis.
Only Veras? I think they need to purchase a buy one get one free ticket to Scranton. Veras and Berroa need to be Brittoned already.
“Congratulations on your new baby Wooly!”
LMAO!!!
“If Wang had a boy. What would he call him?”
Jorge.
As previously described by the weirdness of my day- I can fully imagine Mrs. Wang having a baby in the middle of the game. I am telling you all- strange is in the air. Tonight’s game will not be boring
Doreen,
I think thats a great idea!! I wish they would empement it this year being that we are a given to win #27. I would like to add that if the Yankees or Sox win, the losing team would pick last. Just another way to take the rivalry up another notch.
Erica- Will we see Joe running out to the mound with Wang’s suitcase tell him to run to the airport?
how about naming the baby, All Night Wang
If Wang had a boy. What would he call him?
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Jobber?
Youuuse?
Bob?
Okay, maybe not Youuuse
Wonder Wang
Jerry NJ asks: “Nick – what is wrong with you?”
If you ask again closer to game time, you’ll probably get some colorful replies.
Doreen, NYY has hit the pitchers heavy over the last couple of years, but, they also started hitting on the catchers and shortstops heavily, too. They figure they could get their corner power spots through free agency, which is pretty much the same other teams. The shortage is in pitchers, catchers and shortstops.
This year, in free agency, they filled two corners and hit the jackpot on starters. They signed the two most desired starters on the market. So far, they’ve drafted 3 SS and 3 catchers in the draft. They aren’t the top choices, but, they’re taking a shot a finding a useful player. There might be a Mattingly or Pettitte in there. They weren’t bad for #19 and #22 round picks.
I realize that I most likely didn’t answer the question. These teams are drafting about 50 kids a year and signing probably another 60 from around the world and non-drafted USA and Canadian players. Some years, pitchers are needed, sometimes it’s catchers or shortstops. Those positions don’t become FAs often.
jennifer
June 10th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Erica- Will we see Joe running out to the mound with Wang’s suitcase tell him to run to the airport?
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Hahaha, that would certainly get him on Baseball tonight. And maybe even a Yahoo blog create-a-caption
Wang’s first three starts were amazing I guess… must have forgotten
RayVT
June 10th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Wonder Wang
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This wins! Hahahahaha
it’s so weird to think that my nephew is almost six weeks old already o-o
Jon Ringland
June 10th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
A positive ARod post? Now I’ve seen everything
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It’s a late April Fool’s joke or like those gag newspaper headlines.
AND HE REMAINS ON THE TEAM WHY EXACTLY? Jose Veras has thrown 23.2 innings this season. He has put 38 runners on base via hit, walk or HBP. He has allowed three homers in his last 4.1 innings.
– Thanks for calling this out again, Pete. Veras is a clown and needs to be dumped the second Bruney gets back
Anyone else notice Alex has been much more tempermental this season on camera? Could there be an opposit effect of roid rage? Non roid rage? Maybe selieg can make an exception this one time and allow small doses. I thought i was watching Oneil in the dugout of yesterdays game. Come to think of it, maybe he just wanted an excuse to thrash the pee hole thats Fenway.
i’m too lazy to look it up but what are the stats on stealing bases on wakefield? i would think you can get a few stolen bases with that knuckler taking about 30 seconds to get to the plate…
then again longoria was playing 3rd base the other day and not one bunt attempt to put his hammy to the test…
i’m not a manager or even pretend to be one but aren’t these things just no brainers to at least try? or is it one of those idiotic unwritten baseball rules that you aren’t supposed to do – speaking of which – did anyone ever bunt on jim abbott?(the guy that had only one hand)
Rebecca-Optimist Prime
June 10th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
it’s so weird to think that my nephew is almost six weeks old already o-o
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Is he a lefty? If so, he could be drafted as a Yankee legacy. If he can go to his right, teach him to play shortstop. He’ll be ready just about the time Jeter’s ready to retire.
Speaking of Bruney-
Has anyone heard anything about how he is feeling today after throwing so much yesterday?
Good Afternoon GB,
I was on the blog for a brief time last time. You had some surly fellow Yankee fans on here last night that were wanting to do bodily damage to AJ Burnett!
I think Burnett will be fine as the season progresses.
With Wakefield tonight it is always a roll of the dice. If he is on then he is very tough, otherwise it is home run derby time.
“Bustnett”
LOL Awesome
Sab raises a good point-
Gardner in the lineup against Wakefield would make sense. If he reached base you could almost autmatically put him at second or third with Wakefield pitching. Guess Girardi went in another direction
Bottom line, this team needs to get their heads out of their rear-ends and start playing “Yankee baseball”.
This team is getting paid a lot of money and 0-6 vs. Boston is not what I had in mind.
We will not and can not settle for being 2nd best. This team has the talent and now just needs to stop being scared and go out there and beat them.
BTW it is imperative after the Yankees sign Zach Heathcott, get him a mentor. The kid has not had one stable parental unit in his life, mom drugs neglected him, dad etc, jail bird for some time now, it is extremely needed.
Jose Veras is on the team because he throws 95-96
How did we like it when Delcarmen was throwing 97-98 and Bard was throwing 100 MPH in the 9th inning?
You win with hard throwers. Veras is the only one we have currently now that Bruney is out. Coke/Robertson/Aceves are low 90s guys and that limits their effectiveness.
We want to get our pen as good as Boston’s, we must develop a few hard throwers
Well said Lone Star
Hugh Wang.
I think we come out like gangbusters tonight and have a great offensive showing.
ray (sox fan)
June 10th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Good Afternoon GB,
I was on the blog for a brief time last time. You had some surly fellow Yankee fans on here last night that were wanting to do bodily damage to AJ Burnett!
I think Burnett will be fine as the season progresses.
With Wakefield tonight it is always a roll of the dice. If he is on then he is very tough, otherwise it is home run derby time.
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afternoon, Ray. Hope all is well in the (sox fan) family. I just read between the lines of your post and it looks like you were smiling and actually giggling.
It’s difficult to tell what wakefield will do. NYY can hammer him all over the park for three years and then, one year he buries them. Line drives caught at the wall, diving stabs by the infielders and he hangs around all night. I don’t trust him. I think Wakefield’s a spy and doesn’t want the Yanks to win. What do you think about my conspiracy theory?
“BTW it is imperative after the Yankees sign Zach Heathcott, get him a mentor. The kid has not had one stable parental unit in his life, mom drugs neglected him, dad etc, jail bird for some time now, it is extremely needed.”
It looks like you’ve finally found a job made for Angel Berroa. He’s seen it all!
Lone Star,
I dont think the team is scared. Its all about pitching. When you play a patient team like the Sox and you fall behing every single batter. Odds are your going to give up more runs than your teams going to score. Burnett blew a 6 run lead to the same squad last month. If theres one thing that we know about this years team that is refreshing. They keep fighting till the last out. In yesterdays game, Beckett was throwing everything for strikes and getting an early lead like he did. He became even more dangerous/fearless.
We will still take 2 of 3 like we did in the last series.
I like the DH as I don’t want to give any more off days away….
I am conflicted about this game
Part of me thinks Wang will pitch decently (3-4 runs in 5 IP) but our offense will get stifled by Wakefield
Another part thinks Wang won’t get out of the 3rd inning and it will be a route like yesterday’s game and we’ll go quietly.
“You win with hard throwers. Veras is the only one we have currently now that Bruney is out.”
Melancon right now >>> Veras, heck GB7 over Veras.
Was DEBORAH on the game thread last night???? I bet she was ready to jump off a rooftop yesterday.
erica – unless of course if gardner decides that he isn’t up to stealing today-
actually you come up with a good point about gardner – you have lowell at 3rd who isn’t young (ie kinda slow) and is coming off of a hip surgery, you have wakefield pitching who isn’t young (ie kinda slow) and is carrying a few extra pounds and varitek catching (maybe not with wakefield)who isn’t young (ie slow) – so if this wasn’t the best time to get gardner in there trying to bunt his way on i don’t know when…but i have faith that girardi knows what he is doing so i won’t question his lineup…
“It looks like you’ve finally found a job made for Angel Berroa. He’s seen it all!”
No.. not Berroa he’s too valueable to this lineup.
the sooner Heathcott gets signed the better for all the reasons Brandon mentioned. JR Murphy hasn’t had those burdens, but they need to get him signed quickly too. After last year’s debacle at the top of the draft they really need to get these two done.
Isn’t it a little early for a trashy nickname for a guy who will be around for another 4 1/2 seasons? I certainly waited more than a year before coming up with Farnswurst and Paguano.
I hope Bustnett was kind enough to bake some pies for the rest of the team this afternoon as a snack. About the only contribution he has made to the team
“Melancon right now >>> Veras, heck GB7 over Veras.”
Brandon, I want to be as supportive as I can so in that spirit I am all for having GB7 pitch tonight.
Thats right Sab. I am guessing that Girardi has his reasons. As much logic as I think you and I make- unfortunately, I was not hired to be the Yankee manager. Although, I think I would be a fabulous manager
Guru,
What good is 95/96 if your allergic to the strike zone. Give me those 91/92 mph strike throwers over him anyday. Hell i cant hit a 95 let alone 90. But i could get to first base facing mr. walkathon or is that walk a ton.
disappointed Gardner not in the lineup.
walk/single against Wake = double.
he’s smarter than I, that Girardi, though…
Cinncy drafted a high school pitcher named Mike Monster, 6’3″, 220 pounds.
Bustnett is a catchy name lol
Much better than “Mr. Whipped cream”
Though I like “Pie Man” too.
Rebecca,
I live in Nottingham…..very weird you’d be writing a thesis about it.
Cool too….I love medieval history…not as much as the Yankees though.
I’m greatly enjoying draft day too….especially with SJ’s great insight.
Thanks to you all for your insights
RayVT wrote:
June 10th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
BTW, all you Torre bashers who said what is Torre going to do now that ManRam is out!! LOL! Well, I guess most of you bashers are still in the closet like Diet Coke waiting to use that line again. The Dodgers are 40-20 and in 1st place by 8½ games. And to top it off ManRam will be coming back soon. The Dodgers are very good and look like the class of the NL. I’d love to see a NYY/LAD world series. It would be great for baseball. But Manny would be scary in Yankee stadium.
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I knew someone would bring this up eventually. So lets take a look at who the Dodgers are playing: The Rockies, Padres, Giants and Diamondbacks. Only one of those teams is over .500 and that by only 3 games. Of the rest of the NL, only two teams have more than 30 wins, in the AL, 5 teams do, three of them are in the AL East.
So do you think Torre would be enjoying this success if his Dodgers were in the AL?
Interleague play and the WS will show you if Torre’s team is any good.
How great is this?
NEW YORK — Just a month after making headlines with its allegations that the New York Yankees star likely used steroids as far back as high school, Selena Roberts’ “A-Rod: The Many Lives of Alex Rodriguez” has vanished from best seller lists.
Published in early May by HarperCollins with an announced first printing of 150,000, “A-Rod” has sold just 16,000 copies so far, according to Nielsen BookScan, which tracks about 75 percent of industry sales. The book sold 11,000 in its first week, then quickly faded.
I hope you guys realize this is a Red Sox team that isn’t quite as feared as you’d think.
Sure, they score at home, but they are AVERAGING 3.5 runs/game on the road. They can definitely be pitched to if you throw them strikes, rather than nibble nibble nibble as Burnett did last night.
Once they got pitchers in that game who threw strikes, the rest of the bullpen allowed 2 ER over 5.1 IP, which amounts to a 3.38 ERA over those innings.
If our starter would throw strikes and stop pitching scared, they won’t do that badly. Think of how many righty hitters are in that lineup. If Wang has any semblance of his sinker and is facing a lineup with Pedroia, Youkilis, Bay, Lowell, Green, 5/9 righties and all of their better hitters from the right side, he might surprise you guys.
The Red Sox beat him around because of their LEFTIES who could force him to get sinkers up in the zone by laying off his weaker offspeed stuff like changeups. However, he is much better against righties, especially when it comes to his offspeed and his slider.
I’m curious to see how he does.
“Jose Veras is on the team because he throws 95-96
How did we like it when Delcarmen was throwing 97-98 and Bard was throwing 100 MPH in the 9th inning?
You win with hard throwers. Veras is the only one we have currently now that Bruney is out. Coke/Robertson/Aceves are low 90s guys and that limits their effectiveness.
We want to get our pen as good as Boston’s, we must develop a few hard throwers.”
This is just wrong. Velocity does not dictate success in the majors, otherwise Matt Anderson would stil be pitching and be ready to go down as the greatest closer ever, AJ Burnett would not have walked 5 guys in 2 innings last night and have put together a generally up-and-down career, and so on and so on for all time.
Radar-gun obsession is a dangerous thing. Over 90 is all you need to succeed in the majors if you have good control and good secondary pitches. Out of the guys you listed as “not having what it takes” in the Yankees’ bullpen, Robertson has a devastating hook and Aceves knows how to pitch + has a good curveball that he can throw multiple ways. Delcarmen can throw as hard as he’d like but he is as inconsistent as most other hard-throwing relievers across his career.
Wrong line of thinking regarding pitching, I’m sorry.
I think GB can throw harder than Swisher or Damon. Why not? Hey GB, you wouldnt happen to know how to throw a knuckler would ya?
Brandon,
Whats that Cena score you have next to your name?
How does it help to call a player on your team Bustnett or Mr. Walkathon – or far more disparaging names? This is your team. What is the matter with you?
I hate to bring this up because I like Girardi, but there is no way a Torre-led team would be 0-6 vs. Boston, not a chance. Torre would have probably won a couple of those games by himself and alleviated some of the pressure off the team.
Hey guys,
Maybe we should demote Burnett and bring up Kei Igawa to take his place in the rotation?
Seriously, I realize people are pissed at his performance yesterday, as well as his inconsistency on the whole this year, but the bottom line is he isn’t going anywhere, and I still believe he has the ability to help the Yankees tremendously.
To be honest, even if Burnett pitched better last night, I dont think it would have mattered. Beckett was on another level last night.
So lets focus on taking the next two, and leaving Boston with a 2 game lead.
Jose Veras is on the team because he throws 95-96
How did we like it when Delcarmen was throwing 97-98 and Bard was throwing 100 MPH in the 9th inning?
You win with hard throwers. Veras is the only one we have currently now that Bruney is out. Coke/Robertson/Aceves are low 90s guys and that limits their effectiveness.
We want to get our pen as good as Boston’s, we must develop a few hard throwers
I’m Done with the Jose Veras Development cr@p, Hes 29 in Dominican years, and cannot hit the side of a barn. You win with Hard throwers? is that all we need? Explains all those championships we won with Kyle Farnesworth, and Tanyon Sturtze, and Scott Proctor…. should i go on?
greenberet – question for you
i was watching the padres/dbacks game on sunday and noticed on the padres uniform they had an american flag on their shoulder but it was backwards – any significance to that?
Cinci will recoup Mike Monster’s bonus $ in jersey and t-shirt sales, for sure.
Unless he sucks.
Kay pointed out a great stat on his show today
Coming into the game, Burnett was 12-9 with a 3.83 ERA on 6 or more days rest. So he has experience doing it, and he actually has about the same ERA on 6+ days rest as he does on 4 for his career.
So Girardi shouldn’t need to be apologizing. It’s not like the stats proved he was not good on it, the stats showed he is exactly the same as on normal rest. Now he knows now to trust him in big games.
I saw where Dickie Thon’s nephew was drafted today. That was a kid that had the world in his hands until a Mike Torrez fastball caved in his face. He was never the same. He had Jeter type skills.
I was going to make fun of the people pushing to give Gardner a start tonight, but first I checked on Matsui’s lifetime stats vs. Wakefield: 53 PA, .170BA, .264 OBP, .319 SLG, .583 OPS. Ouch.
So perhaps starting Gardner and letting Damon or Swisher DH wouldn’t have been such a bad idea.
S.o.S., it’s my victories over him.
“Mr. Walkathon”
Hilarious. This blog is great. Folks come up with some of the best stuff.
Wakefield is hittable. The Yankees have gotten to him before. And the fact that it is cool and damp should help us out since the knuckle ball works better in warmer weather.
GO CMW!!!
“If Wang had a boy. What would he call him?”
1. Wutts Wang
2. Nuthinz Wang
3. Wight N. Wang
Just to point out the obvious-
Even if Burnett pitched a beauty last night and went all 9 innings, the offense only managed two hits. I don’t think its fair to hang all of last night on Burnett. True, the game got ugly early and the team was never really in it- but the 2009 Yankees have been a team of pie eating comebacks and the offense just wasn’t there last night. There was lots of stinkiness to go around last night and it wasn’t just old batches of New England Clam Chowda.
Scary stat -
Only Fuasto Carmona (now in A-ball) has more walks in the AL than Burnett.
Guru,
so by your theory we should have kept the 100 MPH throwing Farnsworth no?
Throwing hard means nothing, I explain this to my son all the time. Pitching is about being able to locate a fastball where you want it, up, down, inside, outside and with a little movement at the end of it. In fact the more movement the better.
Veras=Farnsworth, lots of speed, right down the pipe. ML hitters love these guys, it is batting practice. That is why Mo, as long as his cutter is moving will have success at 92 MPH, why Jamie Moyer had success and why Pettite (and Moose last year) have success at 89 MPH.
With a reliever having only 2 pitches at most, hitters are looking fastball, and when that fastball comes right down the pipe it looks like a beachball, 100MPH or 60 MPHs.
Yu Suk Wang
sab
June 10th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
greenberet – question for you
i was watching the padres/dbacks game on sunday and noticed on the padres uniform they had an american flag on their shoulder but it was backwards – any significance to that?
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Yeah, there sure is. All flag patches are “backwards” so that it always has the appearance of moving foreward and never retreating.
Wave Your Hat-
How could you argue with my brilliant, well thought out logic???
We just need to trust Girardi knows what he is doing. I also would like to add that GGBG accounted for 50% of the Yankee hits last night
“Two Yankees people said they “loved” local product DeRosa. But they don’t appear to have any room for him, particularly with Xavier Nady progressing nicely in his comeback from elbow trouble.”
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....ket/1.html
“Mr. Walkathon”
LOL Where do you people come up with these names? Bustnett, Walkathon etc.
great tidbit, GB
Hi Trisha!
Your optimism is like a breath of fresh air on this blog today
Torre’s evil twin
LOL! I was thinking that reply would be appropriate. Well I can only say that you play the teams on the schedule. The Dodgers are very deep and talented BTW. Manny would be even better in the AL as he would be a DH for the Dodgers. I also expect the Dodgers to add a Pitcher and it might be Peavy. I would both not like to play them in the World Series and would like to play them.
But what I was referring too was the bashing when the didn’t maintain the huge winning pct when Manny went down the 1st 2 weeks. Now they are playing lights out baseball.
“All flag patches are “backwards” so that it always has the appearance of moving foreward and never retreating.”
That’s interesting & thoughtful, never knew that. Good to know.
Boogie, I believe DEBORAH showed up all of about three times last night – the first time was after AJ threw about one pitch and she was off to the races with the white coats chasing her with a butterfly net. The next appearance she made was to tell everyone she was right to depart Bellevue long enough to let us know she was right the first time and then to tell us how hideous and embarrasing the Yankee team is. Something like that.
Compared to her, the most crazed negative poster on the forum appears rational.
JMO
As far as Dodgers in AL East, I’d say they would either be in 1st place or within a game of it.
Red Sox Lineup is not scary at all. Just throw strikes.
GB – makes sense – is that only for military or do all uniforms (police, fireman etc) have it? sorry for not noticing but i try to avoid all eye contact when i see a policeman near….
It is my hope that the yankees management is smart enough to go get Hudson Street in the near future, as Jose Veras has been terrible. The yankees should DFA him asap. Hudson Street is so talented and the yankees need bullpen help.
PLEASE Cashman buy this man!!!
Stop,
So you actually think Veras is playing for the Yanks? I thought he was the 10th man of the opposing team. I appoligize if your related to him and i offended you. But im sure hes heard worst walking off the mound from TRUE yankee fans. He sucks Wang and needs to be Pavanoed.
Brandon,
What Cena are you talking about? Not the wrestler i assume.
Girardi is gonna go with Wangy so we should call the baby that too as not to confuse him or her.
Doreen
I saw the Alex/ K.Long pow wow in the dugout too after the game. Wondered what was up with that.
Happy to help out with a little odds and ends info, DB and scorpio.
Torre just has the midas touch
Everything he touches turns to gold and everywhere he goes, he wins.
20 games over .500 without Manny.
Wonder what Hank is thinkin right about now…
“Red Sox Lineup is not scary at all. Just throw strikes.”
Agreed. Vincent Padilla beat them for crying out loud.
Trisha-
Was SHE typing LIKE this??
I stand by my opinion that she is actually an old man just playing with everyone. Or maybe a Sox fan
Randy Wolf, Jeff Weaver, Eric Shults, Kuroda etc. would get demolished in the AL East
Billingsly and Kershaw would still be good though. Their lineup can play with anyone and they have some nice arms in that pen.
advice number one strike out ortizinator
If Burnett doesn’t like to be called names (Mr. Walkathon etc.), then let him start winning some games.
Ugh! Farnsworth is having a great year in KC! Go look at his stats! LOL! Veras is not as bad as he has looked. He hasn’t been the same pitcher since Girardi piched him more than 3 innings in two games over 3 days. I am sure he could use a 15 day DL stint to recover.
sab
June 10th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
GB – makes sense – is that only for military or do all uniforms (police, fireman etc) have it? sorry for not noticing but i try to avoid all eye contact when i see a policeman near….
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Yeah even the poilce and fireman wear the same patches. If you notice the blue field of stars is next to the flag pole. But, it’s the “always moving foreward” that’s the key.
It’s always a good idea to avoid the attention of the police. They’re a suspicious lot. I guess if you look at them, you look like you’re up to something.
If Wang has his baby in the middle of the game and has to come out, does that count as an “injury delay”, and allow Hughes to take his time warming up?
“Torre just has the midas touch”
He developed it since 1996. He had a long uneventful managing career prior to that.
UK Yankee: That’s kind of crazy!
So I could mention the broadmarsh and you’d know what I mean…
TLD,
Please stop. The NL West, and the National League as a whole is nothing compared to the competition in the AL and AL East in particular.
So however you feel, stop bringing up Joe Torre, because hes not here anymore. Everyon has moved on, you should too.
Erica,
Yesterday was the first time iv read her stuff. Yes, she was all CAPS. I thinking the same thing. An older fella thats a troll.
Erica –
Seriously, she really gets carried away with the stuff she posts.
“Red Sox Lineup is not scary at all. Just throw strikes.”
No kidding, the Sox don’t scare me a bit. Just get it going tonight.
NO HEATHCOTT TODAY!?!?! BUSTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
TLD542
June 10th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Torre just has the midas touch
Everything he touches turns to gold and everywhere he goes, he wins.
20 games over .500 without Manny.
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You should have seen him before he got to the Yanks and apparently sold his soul to the devil for a Championship.
“An older fella thats a troll.”
If we are talking about Deborah, then yes. That’s probably who “she” is.
Ralph
Kudora would do well in AL too IMO. I agree Billingsly and Kershaw would do well too. That sounds good enough for 1st place to me in AL East.
“Brandon,
What Cena are you talking about? Not the wrestler i assume.”
Is there any other ?
If Burnett doesn’t like to be called names (Mr. Walkathon etc.), then let him start winning some games.
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Rex,
Burnett = Bustnett
Veras = Walkathon
Burntnett doesnt sound bad either. I do think he will come through though. Not so with Wally Walk Walker.
Thank you SoS!
No one is that unbalanced. LOL. It’s got to be some sort of act
Thank you SoS!
No one is that unbalanced. LOL. It’s got to be some sort of act
pat
June 10th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
“Torre just has the midas touch”
He developed it since 1996. He had a long uneventful managing career prior to that.
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actually, that’s not quite true. Nobody was winning with those Mets teams after trading Seaver, Jon Matlack and the rest of the pitching staff for players like Doug Flynn. He took a last place Braves team to the NL West title in his first year. Took a last place Cards team to 2nd place in his first full season there.
Randall Flagg aka “the Walkin’ Dude”
Oh Veras is Mr. Walkathon?
Sadly, Bustnett and Walkathon can be used interchangeably between Burnett and Veras LOL
Erica, really good point about last night’s game. If the Yankees were only able to scrounge all of two hits, then Burnett would have had to pitch a no hitter and we would have had to have a flawless bullpen until we got to Papelcrackhead! It sure didn’t play out that way. While I am not thrilled that Burnett had the kind of outing he did, in retrospect I would have preferred that to him pitching a one-run game and us losing it that way.
By the way, and I thought about this last night, while it is true that our record with “them” is 0-7, we all know that the majority of those games were winnable games. So if you want to fault Mo, or someone who may have not gotten a timely run, or even the umpire for at least one of those games, yes it is 0-7, but they were blowouts. Most of them could have gone the other way. They didn’t. But it isn’t like the Suxers danced all over our heads either.
GO YANKEES!!!!
GB – staying on the same subject – were you actually a greenberet? I know you are probably a little biased but in your opinion are they the most elite of all of the elite units in the military (army rangers, navy seals, etc)
and I think i read somewhere that you were in vietnam (i think)my apologies if i’m mistaken – but if you were in actual battle i’d like to ask one question. Does everything actually “slow down” and you are able to block out all or most noise when in actual battle? I find that phenomenon amazing, I was on the 95th floor of the 2nd WTC on 9/11 and once i got out and saw the “battleground” in the street I have to admit that everything did slow down and alot of noise got blocked out….just wanted to get someone who has been in battle’s point of view…
pat
So did Terry Francona. He was terrible until he got to Boston! LOL! They hated him in Philadelphia. BTW, Torre did ok with the Braves who were terrible, and not too good with the Mets who were worse. But that said, most Great Managers learned thru the school of hard nocks to be great. Torre is now. Hopefully, Girardi will be too. He is improving, but I don’t think he is up to the job long term. (Hope I’m wrong. I did say I expected him to be fired by AS break and that looks like a shaky projection thank goodness.) Go Yanks!
that should have read “they WEREN’T blowouts”
DEBORAH said she would be done with the Yankees if they lost last night. I suppose she is looking for a new team right now. At least I hope.
Brandon,
Would you stop having me guess already and explain!? So it is John Cena. I saw the score was 1 nil the other day. What are you scoring? Are you playing video games while watching the draft and blogging?
GB
Close doesn’t count with Midas Touches. It’s an all or nothing kind of thing.
Stultus-
Not sure if you saw my reply on the previous thread, but Yankee Snoopy night is September 9th for the first 18,000 fans. And it’s not just Yankee Snoopy- its INAUGURAL SEASON Yankee Snoopy!!!
Of course, I will be there the previous night which is the soup bowl night. But Yankee Snoopy sounds so much cooler
Well if you guys are right about DEBORAH then patrick has a crush on an older man!
He couldn’t compliment “her” enough that night. In fact I think the quote was “I think I love you”. No lie.
“Brandon,
Would you stop having me guess already and explain!? So it is John Cena. I saw the score was 1 nil the other day. What are you scoring? Are you playing video games while watching the draft and blogging?”
I challenged him, he didn’t accept(b/c he fears me), so he’s lost 3 matches via forfeit, hey I’m too awesome to wait for him to accept a match, helost fair and square.
*he loss fair and square*.
S.A. – that’s right! I remember saying it was the first time I wanted the Yankees to lose to the Red Sox, right after DEBORAH said that he/she would stop following the Yankees if they were to lose last night.
See, there IS a silver lining in every cloud!!!
Exactly Trisha-
I would rather them lose like they did last night then a heartbreaker 1-0 game. Hopefully, everyone involved (including the fans) can shake it off and there will be a win tonight
Pat
All a great Manager can do is get the team there and then it is up to the players to perform. Torre was managing with one hand tied behind his back with the Yankees after the Yanks got rid of Mel. Torre also wasn’t threatened by having coaches with manager resumes on his staff. (ie his possible replacement)
Rebecca,
The Broadmarsh is a hovel…much like you have found Robin Hood frequenting in his youth.
Not the kind of shopping experiance you’d be used to coming from NY.
In case you ever come back….its being replaced as we speak with a beautiful piece of glass and steel in which you may pay hommage to the gods of Prada and Choo
Haha- DEBORAH can become a Mets fan. Don’t the Mets have home games where you can bring your pet and walk on the field?? I am sure she and her dog, Melky will have a wonderful time. LOL
I was on the 95th floor of the 2nd WTC on 9/11 and once i got out and saw the “battleground” in the street I have to admit that everything did slow down and alot of noise got blocked out….just wanted to get someone who has been in battle’s point of view…
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Glad you made it out of there sab. Cant even immagine what that would be like.
So
Rangers = army
Seals = Navy
Green Beret = Marine?
?? = Air Force?
I was watching Saving Private Ryan the other day and said to me that he would hate to be a medic with all those bullets flying. Is there a rule that you dont shoot at them?
Sweeny:
Teixeira told me he almost always bats righty vs Wakefield esp at Fenway. If he hits him he will pull it and that wall is very close.
http://twitter.com/YankeesWFAN
RayVT
Not disagreeing with you. I liked Torre but a Midas Touch is stronger than facts.
If you’ve got the Midas Touch, nothing should hold you back.
I came across this awesome parody, just thought I’d share it:
Set before the Cavs-Magic East Finals…
King James: Old woman.
Dwight: Man.
King James: Man, sorry. What NBA player plays in that arena
over there?
Dwight: I’m 23.
King James: What?
Dwight: I’m 23. I’m not old.
King James: Well I can’t just call you “man”.
Dwight: Well you could say “Dwight”.
King James: I didn’t know you were called Dwight.
Dwight: Well you didn’t bother to find out did you?
King James: I did say sorry about the “old woman”, but ignoring the biceps you looked…
Dwight: What I object to is you automatically treat me like an inferior.
King James: Well I am the King.
Dwight: Oh, king eh? Very nice. And how’d you get that, eh? By exploiting poor high school opponents. By hanging on to outdated “Heir to Jordan” dogma which perpetuates the athletic and sporting differences in our society.
Bummed they the Sox didn’t put Julio Lugo in the lineup at short tonight.
I challenged him, he didn’t accept(b/c he fears me), so he’s lost 3 matches via forfeit, hey I’m too awesome to wait for him to accept a match, helost fair and square.
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lol. Who the hell are you Brandon? The Undertaker? One thing is for sure, you go to the beat of your own drum.
erica – funny you should say you’d rather the yankees lose like last night as opposed to a 1-0 game…there was a huge discussion in previous threads about that..so here are a few questions for you:
would you rather the yankees miss the playoffs by 1 game or 10 games?
do loses in june mean less than loses in september – or to ask it in a different way – do loses in june to teams like the nationals have a way of biting the yankees in the rear come september (where they now have to win those extra games since time is running out)?
“Hudson Street is so talented and the yankees need bullpen help.”
Orlando Hudson Street?
S.O.S., Sab,
Rangers, Green Berets, and Delta Force are all army.
The Marines have Force Recon, Navy is SEALS.
The elite of the elite are Delta Force and Seal Team Six.
SOS –
air force = ? – i would think the blue angels or something like that but i’m not a military guy so i’m not sure – i’ll let GB answer as i’m sure he would have the correct info on that…
3 things have changed my life and outlook on it:
the birth of my 2 sons
my father dying
9/11
Sab, these are intense questions.
1) Missing the playoffs stinks no matter what, but I would rather them miss it by one game. Last season I kind of came to grips that they probably weren’t making it at the end of August and watching those September games weren’t as fun for me. I would like the Yankees to be in the hunt as much as possible for as long as possible and be as much of a thorn in the side for the rest of baseball all season long.
2) A loss counts the same in June and September. At the end of the season you can go back and count those games you “should have won” against lesser teams, but it does no good. They still have the same weight in the loss column. You can lose 20-0, but its still only one loss. Conversely, you can win 15-0, but its only one win.
Does that make sense to you?
Thanks Mark. So i assume the elite pecking order in the army is Delta Force, then Green Berets, followed by Rangers?
Seal Team Six is the elite class of Navy Seals?
Kind of amazing that Wakefield has lasted 15 seasons with the BoSox. Not even Clemens was with them for that long.
This team is just not as good as Boston
Don’t know why the 0-6 is so surprising. In year’s past, these 2 teams were more evenly matched and we were better than them in a lot of those years.
Boston has legitimate pitching this year and a lockdown pen. Two things they didn’t have in the past. Whereas we have mediocre starters and no bullpen.
UK Yankee: Ahh,…
I forget the name of it, but my favorite place was the pub with the interior decor of a medieval dungeon.
vb03 – Free Wang!!!
June 10th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
“Hudson Street is so talented and the yankees need bullpen help.”
Orlando Hudson Street?
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Not Orlando Hudson hes on the Dodgers,
Hudson Street the RP for the Rockies
The Air Force has very highly trained airmen known as PJ’s. They are not part of a unit per se, they are a combat search and rescue mission, but they are the Air Force elite.
They also have a group called “air commandos” who are basically security guards for aircraft. Kind of military rent-a-cops. Pardon my disdain, I was in the Army.
“Not Orlando Hudson hes on the Dodgers,
Hudson Street the RP for the Rockies”
It was a joke, the guy is named Huston Street, not Hudson Street.
Pat
I didn’t use the words Midas Touch. I think he did a great job with the Yankees & now Dodgers. The Yanks can’t bring him back so there is no discussion on that issue. I just said that I wondered where the Torre bashers were since he was doing so great in LA w/o Manny because most said he was just lucky to have Manny last year and that is why the LAD won the division.
Mike,
Hes messing with you bro. Its Huston Street.
sab
June 10th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
GB – staying on the same subject – were you actually a greenberet? I know you are probably a little biased but in your opinion are they the most elite of all of the elite units in the military (army rangers, navy seals, etc)
and I think i read somewhere that you were in vietnam (i think)my apologies if i’m mistaken – but if you were in actual battle i’d like to ask one question. Does everything actually “slow down” and you are able to block out all or most noise when in actual battle? I find that phenomenon amazing, I was on the 95th floor of the 2nd WTC on 9/11 and once i got out and saw the “battleground” in the street I have to admit that everything did slow down and alot of noise got blocked out….just wanted to get someone who has been in battle’s point of view…
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Yeah, I was a Green Beret for 30 years. It was a great job for a single guy, but, destroyed marriages. People have some strange ideas about what we did. We were like a coporations that had a lot of smaller companies. We did a lot of things and were cross-trained in at least 10 areas, including the usual heavy weapons. Everybody was a qualified medic, radio operator, weapons specialist. Almost everyone was trained in a working knowledge of foreign languages.
The Army special operations units were the Green Beret, Rangers and Delta Force with all having specific areas and jobs. We also built schools, hospitals, houses and clinics, as well as water treatment plants, power stations, dug wells. We didn’t just blow things up. The Rangers did a lot of the same things. Navy Seals is pretty specific in what they do. When they go someplace, it’s for a very specific reason. Probably the toughest job in the military and most dangerous. those guys know when they swim onto a beach, somebody’s going to be unhappy that they are there. Delta Force is a shoot ‘em up force.
Yes, I was in Vietnam for 4 tours. Beautiful country….wonderful people….especially the Montagnards of the central highlands.
“I just said that I wondered where the Torre bashers were since he was doing so great in LA w/o Manny”
Take a look at the rest of the NL West and tell me what you see.
I see four AAA teams and the Dodgers, pretty much.
Canal Street is better than both.
erica – yes it does make sense..
i agree with you on #2 – but for me i’d have a harder time dealing with them missing the playoffs by 1 game because of the “games they let get away earlier in the season”…i’d be more accepting if they missed the playoffs by 10 games because to me that means that they just weren’t good enough and thats easier to accept than “if only gardner would’ve stolen that base against the phillies …blah..blah…blah…”
thanks for answering..lets go get that win tonight!!!
gary,
then why are the teams tied in the standings?
the boston rotation with daisuke, the knuckleballer, and others is not that good.. you are either stupid or a troll…
“Well if you guys are right about DEBORAH then patrick has a crush on an older man!
He couldn’t compliment “her” enough that night. In fact I think the quote was “I think I love you”. No lie. ”
It was a joke trisha.. She was so absurd it was making me laugh
vb03 – Free Wang!!!
June 10th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
“Not Orlando Hudson hes on the Dodgers,
Hudson Street the RP for the Rockies”
It was a joke, the guy is named Huston Street, not Hudson Street
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haha i cant believe i typed his name wrong twice, i even have him for fantasy. whoops.
Anyway: Check out this from rotoworld about him:
RHP Huston Street, who is 10-for-11 in save situations, has 104 career saves, giving him the fourth-most saves by a pitcher before age 26. Ahead of Street, who turns 26 on Aug. 2, are Francisco Rodriguez (146), Gregg Olson (131) and Chad Cordero (128).
S.o.S.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
I was watching Saving Private Ryan the other day and said to me that he would hate to be a medic with all those bullets flying. Is there a rule that you dont shoot at them?
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The Geneva Convention prohibits targeting medical staff, hospitals and vehicles, but, that never stopped them from doing it.
Hmmmm…no wonder Wang’s hips were weak – makin’ dem babies…
There is no real pecking order. It depends on the mission. Green Berets are used primarily for behind the lines, guerrilla warfare; as well as training indigenous guerrillas. Rangers are used as company and battalion size elite assault troops. We would also frequently function as the security element for Delta. Delta would perform the intricate operations: The rescue attempt at the embassy in Iran, seizing Noriega and the US hostages in Panama, eliminating Pablo Escobar, for example.
Greenberet and Mark in Tampa – thanks for answering..
and thank you for protecting us back then and for the sacrifices you made to make this the best country in the world….
I have to agree with Patrick. I havnt read much of this guy named DEBORAH. But i found it pretty funny and entertaining reading the posts. Cliff jumping at its finest.
If ppl really think about it, Washington’s GM if he pays Stratsburgh his ransom, it’s kind of wierd don’t you think ? I mean you commit 50 – 60 million to a SP/CL that hasn’t even proven himself in A ball yet they couldn’t sign a Derek Lowe, a Javier Vasquez, a BP guy on the market..it really is a joke, the owner pays the money for unproven and doesn’t put $$$ into his team the right way.
vb03 – Free Wang!!!
Tell me in October what you think if the Dodgers are there for the WS and the Yankees aren’t or are. They are a very good team in any league. Top to bottom very good. Speed, defense, pitching and bullpen. Add Manny to that and perhaps another starter and they could be tough to handle. Billingsly, Kershaw & Kudora are top tier pitchers.
SEAL Team Six is made up of SEALS drawn from the other 5 teams. They must qualify and go through an additional grueling course to be considered. Similar to Delta Force, but their missions deal primarily with waterborne operations these days.
sab
June 10th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Greenberet and Mark in Tampa – thanks for answering..
and thank you for protecting us back then and for the sacrifices you made to make this the best country in the world….
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My pleasure SAB. Never looked at it as a sacrifice. Have all of my body parts (except hair). I looked at it as a 30+ year camping trip. and, truth be told, I was too lazy to get a real job.
Almost everyone was trained in a working knowledge of foreign languages.
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GB,
What languages did you learn? Was it a reseta stone style?
Mark,
Were you a Ranger?
sab,
Im glad you brought up the topic. Iv always been intrigued and needed to know what i was talking about to my kids.
Cammandos?
patrick I actually thought you were serious!
Gary – the Yankees are BETTER than the Red Sox. Now listen closely and I am going to tell you why. They were playing without some of their top players when they lost the first 6 games – and they almost won 2 of 3 in one of the series – the umpire in one of them won the game for the Sux, and were it not for a bad pitch from Mo that game would have been the Yankees game also! With ALL of the bad stuff the Yankees had to deal with, they STILL went into fenway on top! So you see, you can’t let a bad outing by Burnett cloud your thinking.
Come out from that haze right now, Gary, come into the clearing, take a nice deep breath, and realize the amazing team that we Yankee fans (don’t know your rooting interest) root for. Thataboy!
“Haha- DEBORAH can become a Mets fan. Don’t the Mets have home games where you can bring your pet and walk on the field?? I am sure she and her dog, Melky will have a wonderful time. LOL”
LMAO!!! Ceptin “she” would have to rename the dog Carlos and get it a little blue and orange bandana!!!
Can you imagine being a Mets fan ?
*Bart Hubbuch of the New York Post reports (via Twitter) that the Mets acquired Chip Ambres from the Red Sox*
This was a very popular song back in the day so I’m told.
I like it.
SSgt Barry Sadler, Ballad of the Green Beret
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH4-tOqLH94
Srsly, The Nationals should let Strasburg go to Hapan
Use that pick next year on someone with a reasonable signing bonus. $50 million is a joke.
I heard many years back that in training for Seals. They had a bell next to you so that anytime you wanted to quit. You rang the bell and walked away. It was said that you couldnt re apply if you did though. How true is that?
“Orlando Hudson Street”
I heard he can pitch AND hit. We need him. I’d pay double…
Jeter, Posada and Matsui all have more career plate appearances against Wakefield than against any other pitcher. Don’t know if it means anything but an interesting piece of trivia.
Surprisingly, Melky has only 12 plate appearances against Wakefield, but in those few appearances he has hit Wakefield very well: .455/.500/.636.
“eliminating Pablo Escobar”
I thought that was a Columbian Police officer/Military ?
Or at least that’s the official story…
“patrick I actually thought you were serious!”
Haha no not at all. I thought “she” was so ridiculously over the top that it had to be a joke. The combination of absurd stuff coming from her and hilarious responses from everyone else was pretty dang funny.
S.o.S.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Almost everyone was trained in a working knowledge of foreign languages.
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GB,
What languages did you learn? Was it a reseta stone style?
Mark,
Were you a Ranger?
sab,
Im glad you brought up the topic. Iv always been intrigued and needed to know what i was talking about to my kids.
Cammandos?
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LMAO. No, actually sitting in classrooms. I could at one time converse in Vietnamese. very helpful when talking to the young ladies on Tu Do Street in Saigon.
Luckily, nobody corrected my spelling.
So Wang’s wife is giving birth any minute and he is starting a must-win? Let the poor guy go home and start Hughes/Joba.
Hmm cool some kid I played ball with in HS just got drafted in the 12th round. Pretty huge comeback, he had knee surgery which got infected. Docs told him he might never walk again and now he’s on his way to the big leagues.
“Mark,
Were you a Ranger?”
Yes, 3rd Ranger Battalion at Fort Benning from ’93-’98.
“SSgt Barry Sadler, Ballad of the Green Beret”
A great song, in fact there is an entire CD of his songs that you can get on Amazon. Very doo-wop type, but a very good listen.
I doubt Strasburg will get 50 mil, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was 18 mil or something. I pity the Nationals so much that I hope it doesn’t burn them later on, like Brien burned the Yanks.
He should go to Japan, that would be funny. Then have that Bryce kid renounce his citizenship in the DR so he can be signed to the highest bidder. I’d like to see this all happen for the sake of appreciating the unusual.
Al it really does not make sense, but then again in regards to Wang this whole season the organization has not done anything that has made sense.
LMAO. No, actually sitting in classrooms. I could at one time converse in Vietnamese. very helpful when talking to the young ladies on Tu Do Street in Saigon.
Luckily, nobody corrected my spelling.
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lol. The only thing i know in veitnamese is from watching Full metal Jacket. “Mi Luv Yu Lon Time” its seems really similiar to english. As far as correcting your spelling. They probably think like we do here. Whats the point? Its bound to happen again.
Can we pull a #6 on these guys tonight?
tired of losing to these bunch of holier than thou cretens
Why was Hughes taken out of the rotation. Wang is distracted and also cant pitch.
“You rang the bell and walked away. It was said that you couldnt re apply if you did though. How true is that?”
Very true, and I believe they still have the bell. They give the sailor who quits blankets, a hot drink, treat him real well. A nice mind game to convince anyone else on the edge to drop out.
Trista,
You think that the Yankees have a better team and they are dealing with stuff. What about the Red Sox? You dont think that they are dealing with stuff too? How about DiceK and the fact that he struggles? Or Papi hitting less than .200? How about the fact that Youk went to the DL and Bailey(. 185 hitter) had to cover for him? Lugo and his countless mistakes. And they are still up on the top with the Yankees.
trisha – OPPC lifetime member
June 10th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
LMAO!!! Ceptin “she” would have to rename the dog Carlos and get it a little blue and orange bandana!!!
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That almost makes me feel bad for the imaginary dog. hahaha
Have a feeling this will be a 6-4 loss
We’ll score some runs, Wang will be OK, but we just come up a little short
Wang’s baby should be named Yuse Wang
“That almost makes me feel bad for the imaginary dog. hahaha”
I feel bad for the imaginary DEBORAH
“Tell me in October what you think if the Dodgers are there for the WS and the Yankees aren’t or are. They are a very good team in any league. Top to bottom very good. Speed, defense, pitching and bullpen. Add Manny to that and perhaps another starter and they could be tough to handle. Billingsly, Kershaw & Kudora are top tier pitchers.”
They are a product of their division. They’re lucky to be playing almost 80 of their 162 games against teams hovering around .500, not one of which is a real threat to overtake them in the West.
Against likely contenders such as the Angels, Cubs, and Phillies, they are a combined 7-7.
On the other hand, against Arizona, Colorado and San Diego (bottom feeder types), they are 21-4.
“Have a feeling this will be a 6-4 loss”
We WIN tonight, YOU GOT THAT ?!
No more pies for Mr. Bustnett
Let someone who is actually earning his contract perform the pies… like A-Rod or Cano.
Brandon —-> Brandon 3 Cena 0
June 10th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
We WIN tonight, YOU GOT THAT ?!
*****
Brandon, you should get another victory over Cena just for being so convincing and making the scary demon face
Barry sadler was a pretty talented guy. He was also a writer…had a series of adventure books titled “Casca”. Not bad for the type of book. He was erratic, though in his behavior. He shot and killed a songwriter and was sentenced to 5 years and did 30 days. He was shot in the head while living in Guatemala City. He died about a year later after about 8 months in a coma. Nobody knows what happened, but, most think it was a hit. He was selling guns and training counter revolutionaries.
“Have a feeling this will be a 6-4 loss”
Would you rather be right in your prediction or would you rather the Yanks win? Sounds like the latter.
Anthony Bastardo will probably pitch better against the Sux than any of our pitchers can
“GB,
What languages did you learn? Was it a reseta stone style? ”
gb7-
that’s brings up a question.
can you spell equally bad in all languages or is english a specialty ?
“Brandon, you should get another victory over Cena just for being so convincing and making the scary demon face”
The next challenge is tomorrow, Cena doesn’t show it’s Me 4 Cena 0.
Btw- I had something to do last night. So I got went back to my car to head home and watch the Yankee game already in progress. I found I had received a parking ticket and then when i got my radio on, I was informed the Yanks were losing 4-0.
A very irritating moment
ole N’ said yuse wang
Borass reading that 500 + pg. binder on Stratsburgh to Kay over the radio.
Randy,
Classic!!
Per Rotoworld: “Raul Ibanez is incensed over a recent blog post suggesting that his outstanding numbers this season could have been aided by performance-enhancing drugs.”
Such is the era we live in…
It’s going to take runs and lots of them to win tonight. Would be nice if the third baseman chipped in with something other than “groundball to the left side.”
He is supposed to be the team’s biggest offensive threat. Right now, I’d be happy with him being a distant second to Tex in this area.
How about the offense step up tonight? They have done nothing against the Sux all year except that Beckett game in April.
How about Teix, A-Rod, Posada etc. start getting some big hits against Boston?
Brandon —-> Brandon 3 Cena 0
The next challenge is tomorrow, Cena doesn’t show it’s Me 4 Cena 0.
*****
Grrrr, I won’t be on tomorrow night cause I have the Fleetwood Mac concert. Then I am going to Atlantic City first thing Friday morning for the weekend. I HATE suspense!
Kontos, Juan Miranda, Austin Romine for Huston Street
Cashman I know you are reading GET IT DONE!!!!!!!!!
And release Jose Veras he is a bum.
GB7 -
Thank you for even trying to address the post I made two threads ago about the draft. I seriously didn’t think anyone would even bother to read it, much less offer a real answer for me!
I do appreciate it. And I understood your response. Makes sense. I didn’t pay a lot of attention to the details, and I need to focus on the strategy that goes on in free agency and trades.
But, still, the way the draft is set up, good teams really have to rely on good luck, and good scouting of obscure players.
randy l.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
“GB,
What languages did you learn? Was it a reseta stone style? ”
gb7-
that’s brings up a question.
can you spell equally bad in all languages or is english a specialty ?
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I don’t discriminate. I can’t spell in any language. That may be the reason I was never asked to make signs.
“How about Teix, A-Rod, Posada etc. start getting some big hits against Boston?”
Let’s just start with some hits of any variety first.
GB7 can spell; what he can’t do is type.
ZMAN,
We look like a little league team when we play the Sox. We never get big hits (or hits in general like last night), the pitchers forget how to pitch, and they forget how to play defense…. or execute in any aspect.
They just look shell shocked when they play Boston. They need to stop playing scared.
Doreen
June 10th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
GB7 –
Thank you for even trying to address the post I made two threads ago about the draft. I seriously didn’t think anyone would even bother to read it, much less offer a real answer for me!
I do appreciate it. And I understood your response. Makes sense. I didn’t pay a lot of attention to the details, and I need to focus on the strategy that goes on in free agency and trades.
But, still, the way the draft is set up, good teams really have to rely on good luck, and good scouting of obscure players.
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I was happy to give you my thoughts on that, Doreen. I do tend to ramble and skip around a bit, but Randy would be impressed with my spelling.
Wang chews?
GB7 -
Yes, the spelling was very good in that post! I did notice.
Doreen
June 10th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
GB7 can spell; what he can’t do is type.
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That really hurts me to the quick, Doreen. I can type, but, I can ever remember to take these mittens off before starting.
Boston’s starters have recorded 5 quality starts in 6 games against us.
We have yet to record one against them (Pettitte did give up 4 runs to Boston, even if only 3 of them were earned)
Boston has averaged over 7 runs a game. We are averaging just over 3.
CMW dips, hate to say it but my respect for the Wanger just went up. Go get him tonight.
Some people like to make the inane comment, “What do you care what A-Rod/Burnett are paid, it’s not coming out of your pocket.”
Well, it in truth does come out of the fan’s pocket in the form of higher ticket prics, parking, concessions, etc. But this is secondary. More importantly, spending $27 million per year on Rodriguez and $16 million on Burnett, and locking them into long-term deals, limits the team’s flexibility to sign other players — now and in the future.
Think about it, you can probably afford 5 or 6 good players (perhaps very good) for what it costs to pay these two underachievers. It’s a business after all, and payrolls are not infinite.
Thank you for even trying to address the post I made two threads ago about the draft. I seriously didn’t think anyone would even bother to read it, much less offer a real answer for me!
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Doreen,
What am i a ghost today? I agreed with you in having the championship team pick first as a reward for winning. Still think the one of red sox or Yanks that fall short, pick last. Damn i hope you can see what im posting.
him = them
can’t type either
Adam — sad, but true
Carl
June 10th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Wang chews?
does he?
Melk and Swish always have a dip in – I think this is new – that Swisher kid.
We will win tonight. It will not be a pretty game, but we will find a way to win.
They do not look shell-shocked playing Boston. They do not play scared. You may be shell-shocked watching, and you may be scared that they’ll lose. But don’t confuse your feelings as a fan for what the players are doing.
They were overmatched by Josh Beckett last night.
And the previous time in Boston, they were hitting just fine. Mariano had one of his rare implosions. In the game that AJ pitched, the offense kept battling. The bullpen at that time was horrendous – the after effects of dealing with too many innings.
I am really getting tired of reading such nonsense about the way the Yankees “feel” playing the Red Sox. Sheesh.
And I would avoid reading it if I could, but it’s like in every other post here for the last 24 hours.
I am a little nervous about Wang, only because if his wife is, indeed, in labor or he thinks she might go into labor at any time, I wonder where his focus will be. He will either do extremely well because he is working extra hard to overcome that diversion, or he won’t.
Is Mrs. Wang in NY, though? So, how in heaven’s name will he get to where he needs to be???
ZMAN- $16 million for Bustnett is the worst contract ever
32 yrs old. Two pitch pitcher. Injury prone. Never pitched a big game in his life. Lacks focus and has questionable makeup.
How does that warrant getting $82 million? Did Cashman watch any of his other starts other than the ones he had against us?
Zman, that’s the mentality 90% of the other teams take. This is the Yankees. The most storied and winningest professional team in sports. They get the best players regardless of cost and demand the team win. If that concept is too much for you, there is always the Mets.
Wangawa
June 10th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
We will win tonight. It will not be a pretty game, but we will find a way to win.
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Mark my words- there is WEIRD in the air tonight
“Grrrr, I won’t be on tomorrow night cause I have the Fleetwood Mac concert.”
Are you already thinking about tomorrow? If so, don’t stop. It’ll soon be here.
As far as that stupid game last night… yesterday’s gone, yesterday’s gone.
Doreen,
You can keep making excuses all you want, but don’t ignore what is in front of you.
Lots of excuses from Doreen . . . lots of losses to Boston too. But I’m glad you have your finger on the team’s pulse.
UPDATE, 5:37 p.m.: CMW’s wife is due to give birth to their first child any time now in New York.
What does this mean??? Her water broke? Contractions 2 minutes apart? Or, she is past her due date??
Yeah Doreen… because the Yankees have played such crisp baseball against the Sux this year and are 0-6 against them.
“Mark my words- there is WEIRD in the air tonight”
Bring it ON!!! Three unassisted triple plays, Mo as center fielder, 6 consecutive intentional BBs! I want to see it all!
That same pitcher nearly no hit the Rays and gave 6 innings of near spotless baseball before this, one start shouldn’t knock all of that out, it’s funny b/c Beckett was going through something like this but I doubt the Red Sox fans whine about it. Gee listening to ppl here it sounds like they are Fatcessanized.
Beautifully said Nick!
Those Sox can go their own way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would assume that Mr. and Mrs. Wang live in NY. I know that he does winter training in Arizona, but, I’m sure they have an apartment around the NY area.
Man if CC loses tomorrow the fallout is gonna be tremendous.
Doreen’s post full of excuses. Why not mention how Boston wasn’t 100% either yet had no problem beating us?
“ZMAN- $16 million for Bustnett is the worst contract ever”
You may be right. But the A-Rod contract, to me, is equally bad.
The Wang jokes are flying fast and furious already.
S.o.S. -
I’m sorry. Thank you.
I appreciate that you agreed with me! And I agree that if Boston loses, they should pick dead last!
The post I was talking to GB7 about was about two threads ago (the post about Alex taking extra infield practice). I went on and on about what happens if everyone drafts pitchers and no one drafts enough positions players, and at the back end of the draft are these guys just space fillers, etc., etc.
Z-Man. A-Rod has been a yankee for five full seasons and has won the MVP in two of them. Over the course of his contract, he has not underachieved to this point. It’s up to him to continue to play at high level over the rest of his contract. But to equate what he as given the Yankees to this point with what Burnett has given to teh Yankees is unfair.
Also, I’m disappointed Wang will make his start tonight rather than witness the birth of his child. There are things in life more important than baseball or even one’s job. Seeing the birth of your child (and being there for your wife as she goes through that process) is definitely one of them.
when a team is 6 and 0 in head to head competition it would be safe to assume there runs scored and prevented would be much better.
thanks for all the insight.
if the sux offense is so much better then the yanks why do the yanks have more runs scored???duh duh duh…………
http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/…_into_the.html
No one thinks this is a big deal?
“Is Mrs. Wang in NY, though? So, how in heaven’s name will he get to where he needs to be???”
It’s an out-dated tradition: drop the wife off at the hospital and go have cigars and drinks with friends whilst your wife gives birth. Same idea.
Old school, nice Wang.
Near no-hitting a team under .500… yeah, what an accomplishment.
Actually, Mrs. Wang traveled with the team and is due to give birth inside the Green Monster. Manny sterilized it.
Yuck, sorry for that.
Stultus Magnus
June 10th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
“Mark my words- there is WEIRD in the air tonight”
Bring it ON!!! Three unassisted triple plays, Mo as center fielder, 6 consecutive intentional BBs! I want to see it all!
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How about my favorite regular season game ever, July 1, 2004 vs the Sox. The triple play that wasn’t a triple play and Derek Jeter flying throught he air!
Seriously, I have a feeling tonight’s game will be a strange one
Condo
June 10th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
ZMAN- $16 million for Bustnett is the worst contract ever
32 yrs old. Two pitch pitcher. Injury prone. Never pitched a big game in his life. Lacks focus and has questionable makeup.
How does that warrant getting $82 million? Did Cashman watch any of his other starts other than the ones he had against us?
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Who are you to determine what constitutes a big game for a team or a player? Because you said so? There’s a lot of money at stake between third and 4th place in a division. 4th place gets nothing.
>Actually, Mrs. Wang traveled with the team and is due to
>give birth inside the Green Monster. Manny sterilized it.
So you’re saying it wouldn’t be the first time that there was a tiny wang inside the green monster?
Here’s a positive note. Selena Robert’s Nation Enquirer worthy book on A Rod has sold only 16,000. They printed 150,000, making it officialy a bust. Maybe she can now focus her attention to where her talent really lies… writing features for Star Magazine.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4248828
Yeah, Flaherty had the game-winning hit. Thought I had seen it all until then…
Wang’s wife looks eerily similar to him.
At least she has team spirit.
http://www.cantstopthebleeding.....ng0930.jpg
Uncle Elseworth,
It seems like it wasnt long ago that Alex’s wife was due anyday. Youd think with these accurances happening regularly on a yearly basis. They would have made the New Yankee Stadium equipped with a delivery room. They say its 3x bigger than the Old Stadium. I say replace the restaurante in center field with it. So that if it does happen the players can visit between innings. Have Veras be the informant.
Whoa – I guess I hit a nerve.
I didn’t make excuses. I didn’t say they were at any disadvantage due to ARod. I said the bullpen stunk and one of the reasons the stunk was overuse. That’s not an excuse. People are saying they play shell-shocked. Well, I disagree. I think they had the offense to win a number of the 6 games that they lost. The pitching wasn’t there. No excuses.
I never said I had my finger on the pulse of the players, but I suppose you all do? You all know for a fact that the Yankees are at a competitive disadvantage against the Red Sox because they play the Red Sox “scared.” I call that a bunch of garbage.
Beckett is a two-time world champion, greatest postseason pitcher of our generation and a proven commodity in big games.
Why would he get the same rope by fans as Burnett… an overpaid injury prone starter who has never won anything and has gagged in the 3 big games he has had this year?
Think people… not everything is black and white.
Stultus Magnus
June 10th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Yeah, Flaherty had the game-winning hit. Thought I had seen it all until then…
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I still think Nomar sitting on the bench the whole night was a huge shock as well.
And to further prove my theory that I am always a game off from being at the stadium for something awesome- I was there the night before.
Betsy – story won’t load for me, what is it?
It may not be fair, but Beckett’s postseason gives him an aura and perception that he is the greatest thing ever. Even if he has been good, not great in the regular season.
Postseason dominance will elevate anyone. And Beckett is money in a big spot.
Mariano Rivera is the greatest postseason pitcher of our generation.
As a matter of fact, earlier in the day, I posted that I thought that BOTH teams are incredible in that BOTH teams have had to deal with a few set-backs to start the season, and yet BOTH teams are tied for first place as we speak today, and BOTH teams have a lot of fight and BOTH teams will be in this probably for the duration of the season.
So, I do not underestimate the Red Sox. I do not make excuses for the Yankees. Nor do I OVERESTIMATE the Red Sox, nor understate what the Yankees have done.
My life does not hang in the balance over every single win or loss. I tend to look at the big picture.
And I see the Yankees and Red Sox, in their season series, about where they always end up, somewhere around the .500 mark.
UPDATE, 5:37 p.m.: CMW’s wife is due to give birth to their first child any time now in New York. But all was fine as of this afternoon and the Wanger was in front of his locker this afternoon with a dip in as he looked as scouting reports. The Wangs are having a boy and trust me when I tell you, this is big, big news in Taiwan.
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Find Mrs. Wang’s OB and have him/her provide updates for us.
So, this might be a busy day for Wang.
“Beckett is a two-time world champion, greatest postseason pitcher of our generation and a proven commodity in big games.”
I threw up a little in my mouth. I don’t see why Yankee fans would feel the need to knee at the altar of Red Sox players. Must be a masochist thing.
Is Mrs. Wang in NY, though? So, how in heaven’s name will he get to where he needs to be???
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Jetes has his private jet on stand-by? In case the Wanger needs it?
Oh, I hope Bruney goes to Trenton on Saturday. We’re going to that game.
Good luck to Mrs. Wang and CM.
for what ever it’s worth, i think since the boston media has picked up on the number of red sox hitters getting hit and they do have that joba fixation where they think they have to get even , i think at some point they will on purpose hit a yankee.
i hope it’s teixeira because he really doesn’t take to getting hit that well. it seems to fire him up.
i wouldn’t be surprised to hear that francona has told them not to retaliate because things are going the red sox way so far.
that’s actually the smart way to go, but i think some red sox pitcher will take it into his own hands sometime in the next two games.
wang himself has to pitch up and in to the red sox because they are the one team that steps up in the box to negate his sinker. he’s been told to go up and in to stop them from doing that.
it wouldn’t surprise me to see wang hit someone by mistake which could only add fuel to the fire, but what’s he supposed to do if they step up and in on the plate ?
So Wang is gone? I would assume.
Uncle Ellsworth, I LOVE that song…………..
I completely disagree about being glad that the Yankees got swamped instead of losing a close game. If Beckett had just outpitched a good Burnett, ok – so be it. I’d be encouraged by AJ and would feel much better about our staff. As it is, AJ crapped out last night and our bullpen was killed. I believe AJ will get on a roll at some point, but when ? It might be too late. I still think the Sox have a better rotation….the Yankees need AJ. I’ve supported the guy and will continue to do so – I will never trash him or any of our players. However, his attitude post-game was very puzzling. I appreciate confidence, but he doesn’t have the resume to be able to say that he’s going to get on a very impressive roll sooner rather than later……….. and the fact that he’s not interested in working on what went wrong last night? The dude seems to be in denial…..or, most likely, he’s putting up a macho front to cover for his worries. Either way, the Yankees need him and it’s not a good thing that he got torched last night.
I’ll tell ya, I hope Wang pitches “big” tonight. Maybe Cone can tell us if he’s jerking his pitches to home plate or not.
vb,
I hate the guy, but how can you deny his mastery in October? We saw it first hand in 03 and saw it again when he lead them to a title in 07.
Just like a Sox fan will admit how great Jeter/MO are in the postseason.
The delivery will be performed by Dr. James Andrews, who will then immediately perform the Tommy John procedure for the first time ever on a newborn, giving Baby Wang an ‘arm’ up on the competition in the 2027 Amateur Draft.
“vb,
I hate the guy, but how can you deny his mastery in October? We saw it first hand in 03 and saw it again when he lead them to a title in 07.”
It’s infuriating, and I would like to avoid that topic as much as possible.
GB, thanks for the info about Barry Sadler; I always wondered what happened to him……
Baby Wang born as Daddy Wang dominates Sox.
Tomorrow’s back page Post headline.
“The delivery will be performed by Dr. James Andrews…”
Nice.
Work’s over, going home. Go Yanks.
Really dumb to let Wang start on the night his wife is expecting birth.
You really think he is going to be focused on baseball tonight?
“Really dumb to let Wang start on the night his wife is expecting birth.
You really think he is going to be focused on baseball tonight?”
Exactly, I see that sinker up and getting drilled.
I don’t think this board has been living up to its potential lately.
We need a “French Fry Night” to help the yanks win!
Betsy
June 10th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
GB, thanks for the info about Barry Sadler; I always wondered what happened to him……
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Any time, Betsy. Just for information’s sake, he died in 1989.
I really hope he gets a pass if he doesn’t do well tonight.
Having to pitch against the Red Sox, trying to work his way back in the rotation, all while his wife is in labor and he’s about to become a father can’t be easy at all.
They should have just let him go be with his wife back in NY today and let Hughes start.
“Really dumb to let Wang start on the night his wife is expecting birth.
You really think he is going to be focused on baseball tonight?”
Phil Mickelson famously played the US Open wearing a pager while his wife was about to give birth 3,000 miles away. The birth happened the next morning. Mickelson played a great tournament, the best he had played to that point, and didn’t win only because Payne Stewart made some incredible putts on the last few holes. Mickelson has been known to be distracted and he focussed just fine; if Wang doesn’t pitch well tonight, I doubt it will be because of the impending birth.
It’s infuriating, and I would like to avoid that topic as much as possible.
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I have to agree. I mentioned this yesterday. Beckett, Youk and Paple have that “punch me in the face look”. Lets have the Beckett greatest ever conversations stay in bostons blogs.
Uncle Ellsworth (Expert texpert choking smokers don’t you think the joker laughs at you?)
June 10th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
I don’t think this board has been living up to its potential lately.
We need a “French Fry Night” to help the yanks win!
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Ask Al to help. He’s the “French Fry” expert on this board. He’s a professional.
SOS – no problem bringing up the military questions – i also have a deep interest in that..
Greenberet/Mark in Tampa – trying to steer this back to the yankees (although i could go on for days asking questions – the first being how do you guys go do #2 while in the field of battle?)
can you name 3 players on the yankees that you would want in the foxhole (is that more WWI and WWII thing?)with you?
and what are the best movies that depict what war is like? have either of you seen “Band of Brothers” when i was asked to become the manager of my department i was hesitant because i was going from being “one of the guys” to being their boss – and someone suggested to watch band of brothers ..i never did but if you guys give it a thumbsd up i may just go out and rent it…
lets go yankees and thanks again for all you’ve done…
Jason Bay sounds like a good guy.
Is DEBORAH trolling as Doreen?
“The delivery will be performed by Dr. James Andrews…”
Surprised they didn’t choose to go with Dr. Marc Philippon. He seems to be the new “it” guy in medicine.
The Sox hitters are probably drooling
Girardi needs to have a short hook. We’re going to likely score off Wakefield. Cannot let the game get out of hand.
“Ask Al to help. He’s the “French Fry” expert on this board. He’s a professional.”
GB Did you ever run accross Jeffrey MacDonald in your travels?
Let me clarify that Wang’s wife is not in labor. She is simply due this week.
Band of Brothers is one of my all time favorites. Many of the actual soldiers collaborated in the making of it. However, it is 10 hours or so.
Doing no. 2?- You use a slit trench, I am not detailing that one, you figure it out.
Three players in a foxhole? You can’t tell just by looking at somebody, even in HD.
But, all time?-Warren Spahn, Lou Gehrig, and Hank Bauer.
“Let me clarify that Wang’s wife is not in labor. She is simply due this week.”
Mr. Wang is due too. For a dominating game.
Wang probably should not be pitching tonight – his mind is going to be elsewhere.
“Three players in a foxhole? You can’t tell just by looking at somebody, even in HD.
But, all time?-Warren Spahn, Lou Gehrig, and Hank Bauer.”
How is Farnsworth not on that short list?! I could see Nolan Ryan and Adam Dunn being other possibilities (but no one asked me).
“We need a “French Fry Night” to help the yanks win!”
Manhattan Clam ChowdER?
I now have TONS of respect for Jason Bay because what he said should set all “fans” straight. Our dumb Kim Jones asked one of her classically stupid and vacuous questions – good that the guys continue to humor her. “When you got that home run off Mo is seemed to set the tone and now you’ve won all the games. Do you see that as a major seasonal whoop?” (paraphrase but close). Bay’s answer was that no it didn’t really mean much and that what counts is NOT how many times one team beats the other but THE OVERALL RECORD AT THE END OF THE SEASON as that is what tells who will go on.
Please Yankee fans, get a clue. Don’t flip out over the previous games, especially since you know 6 of those were played when the Yankees were totally topsy turvy.
Yankees are kicking butt and taking numbers. Enjoy it please!
(Okay, back to some computer downloading. Just needed to mention that since Bay brought it to the fore. Very important to remember.)
Uncle Ellsworth (Expert texpert choking smokers don’t you think the joker laughs at you?)
June 10th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
GB Did you ever run accross Jeffrey MacDonald in your travels?
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If I did see him, I don’t remember it. I would tend to doubt it, though. I didn’t join the SF until I got back from my first tour in VN until 1969, so perhaps, because he was a group surgeon at that time. I just don’t remember. All doctors look alike when you have needles sticking in your behind.
I know some people are going to make these Boston games out to be do or die but the yankees goal this season isn’t to beat boston head to head it’s to win the division and then to win the world series.
So in that light, before people start proclaiming the greatness and inherent superiority of the sox over the yanks, they should take a look at the sox home and road splits in terms of offensive production.
Now all teams are better at home as a whole. But boston has significant problems playing on the road. They simply aren’t the same team because all of their right handed hitters aren’t the same players on the road.
And as the season wears on that’s going to be a major problem for them if they don’t correct it.
They’ve each played 58 games – and they’re tied in the standings.
And that’s despite Boston taking all 5 games so far.
Lot’s of baseball to play – and most of that baseball isn’t going to be a head to head match up.
Lot’s of games to play on the road. It’s a long season.
kim jones just asked girardi “if wang gets into a jam would u like to see him work out of it?”
how do people like this get jobs?
Nick,
I would go with Dr. Phil to do the procedure. I would also insurt some kind of food protector plate just in case foot injuries are a hereditary thing.
Jose Veras must have some compromising pix of Hank Steinbrenner with a teenaged boy, or something. I can’t imagine any other reason why he’s on the big league club instead of Melancon, or even Kroenke or Fossum. Veras is NOT a major league pitcher.
vin
June 10th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
“Three players in a foxhole? You can’t tell just by looking at somebody, even in HD.
But, all time?-Warren Spahn, Lou Gehrig, and Hank Bauer.”
How is Farnsworth not on that short list?! I could see Nolan Ryan and Adam Dunn being other possibilities (but no one asked me).
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Spahn, Bauer and Major Ralph Houk. I’d take pitcher Lou Brissie, too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Brissie
“How is Farnsworth not on that short list?! I could see Nolan Ryan and Adam Dunn”
If I am not mistaken, Hank Bauer was a Marine in WW2; Warren Spahn participated in the battle depicted in the movie “A Bridge Too Far”, and won a medal for it; and the Lou Gehrig choice speaks for itself. Ted Williams and Moe Berg were ballplayers and real warriors as well.
Just because somebody looks tough, and is pretty big, doesn’t say anything about how they will react under fire.
He also shouldn’t be pitching if, you know, his wife is going to be bringing a new life into the world that he helped to create. You know, that little thing.
If she is unlikely to give birth tonight, then fine. He should pitch. But if tonight is most likely going to be THE night, he should be with her. That’s just my opinion (which is irrelevant).
Yankees have 16 games left on the West Coast.
Red Sox have none.
Trisha you honestly can’t tell me that the Yankees are the better team and all you are doing is feeding them excuses. The fact of the matter is that in order for the Yankees to win the World Series they will have to beat Boston and so far they have not proved they are capable of it. Also, yes with the “mission statement” being that they are expected to win a championship every year anything less than that is a dissapointment.
“Yankees have 16 games left on the West Coast.
Red Sox have none.
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Is this supposed to be viewed as a good thing or a bad thing for NYY?
TLD…
“20 games over .500 without Manny.
Wonder what Hank is thinkin right about now…”
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“I wonder if I’m still in the will? Better get Dad more sedatives.”
Wanger goes 6 innings, 1 run on 3 hits. You saw it here first.
Thanks GB
Foxhole: Gehrig, Mariano, Yogi.
Under the Banner: Winfield, Martin, Straw
For a night out: Jeter, Babe, Mickey
From the Lou Brissi Wikipedia (via GB’s link):
“After 2 years and 23 major operations Lou was able to return to baseball with a metal plate in his leg. He was signed by the Philadelphia A’s on December 15, 1946. His comeback began with Savannah in the Southern League where he won 25 games in 1947. The A’s called him up and on September 28th, 1947 he realized his “life’s ambition” of pitching in the major leagues. (Legend has it that Lou was pitching against Ted Williams when he was hit on the metal plate in his leg. It is claimed he yelled “Damn it Ted, pull the ball”).”
Manhattan Clam Chowder gets no respect – Try finding it in a restaraunt- anywhere
Eddie Grant was killed in Argonne Forest, France, during WWI.
http://www.baseball-reference......ddie_Grant
People make way too big a deal out of the west coast trips.
Its such a small sample of games and what’s the difference between a 3 hour plane ride (texas, KC, etc.) vs. a 5 hour plane ride. No one moans about them having to trudge all the way to Arlington, KC. But Seattle, Oakland, and LA are so much more brutal? Its comical. These guys have a charter. Plus they get days off on 2 of the west coast trips.
Its just not that big a deal.
yankees pregame has turned into red sox pregame on the yes network…great job YES, bc we all just wanna see information on the red sox and highlights of them beating us and jason bay interviews and quotes on david ortiz…awesome job.
GB7 – Hi, just got home and was catchng up.
I’m curious, given your Army experience, what did you think of Robin Moore’s book. I read that he was given an honorary beret, so, the implication is that he was respected. What was your take?
so no current yankee in the foxhole? rivera..posada? heck not even girardi? would munson make that list? piniella?
i’m guessing ARod may be the last person on the current yankee list –
although i’m sure spahn and brissie are excellent choices i really don’t know much about them – i started following the yankees in 1974 when i was a bittie little lad so the only thing i know about spahn is that he is a lefty and a pretty good pitcher – brissie even less but i promise to look him up once i put my boys to bed in about 2 hours…
Vin, Lou Brissie’s the guy that has the guts that you want in a fire fight. He was a fighter. Spahn, too. Won a Bronze Star for Valor at the Battle Of The Bulge and a battle field commission during that and “Operation Market Garden” (A Bridge Too Far).
GB7 – Just got home and was catching up.
I’m curious, what did you think of Robin Moore’s book? I read that he was awarded an honorary beret by the men, implying that he won their respect. What’s your opinion?
is it just me or does david cone always look constipated?
A.J. Burnett will get an icy reception the next time he takes the hill at No. 1 161st Street in the Bronx.
good thing I already drank 1 glass of wine and took a pain pill, not feeling too good about this game:(
Joe from Long Island
June 10th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
GB7 – Hi, just got home and was catchng up.
I’m curious, given your Army experience, what did you think of Robin Moore’s book. I read that he was given an honorary beret, so, the implication is that he was respected. What was your take?
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The book was far better than the John Wayne movie. Although the movie was entertaining and based on some fact, the photography was horrible. I still read the book and watch the movie a lot, though.
yankees win 50-42
Kevin, I absolutely will tell you that the Yankees are the better team and all they need to do is end up with the best record in the division. How they do it, they do it. If you can’t understand that this is a different team right now than the one that faced the Red Sox previous to this weekend, I really can’t help you out.
Now do I expect that they will never take another game from the inferior team, the Red Sox? Nah. But here is a clue for you. They’ve been owned by teams in the past and those teams have been nowhere in sight at the end of the season.
The Red Sox don’t scare me, and they certainly don’t scare the Yankees.
Best I can tell you other than to tell you that I’ve been pretty much on the money with this stuff so far this season. I think it’s my ability to have a clear head and never panic that helps.
GO YANKEES!
“Eddie Grant was killed in Argonne Forest, France, during WWI.”
Then how did he rock down to Electric Avenue?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA5MtAmT24g
OK, current Yanks in the foxhole.
Jeter-doesn’t look the toughest, but have you ever seen him flinch on the next pitch after being hit? Just gets back in there and does his job.
Rivera-the cool customer when the chips are down.
Joba-Has no back-down in him.
How could a Jason Bay interview be interesting? No offense to Canadians or anything, but the guy is like an extreme caricature of your basic stereotypical polite Canadian. Even the Boston press complains about how boring he is. ZZZZZZZ. Yeah he hits. So does Raul Ibanez, not that anybody actually notices.
“The book was far better than the John Wayne movie. Although the movie was entertaining and based on some fact, the photography was horrible. I still read the book and watch the movie a lot, though.”
Funny how much Vietnam looked like Fort Benning through that particular camera lens.
Hope Wakefield’s knuckler is flat.
Veras stinks. Throws hard, that’s it.
Girardi says Hughes can be used as long and short man out of the pen. How is this young pitcher going to stay sharp. He is very talented and they have to be careful with him.
uncle ellsworth
Foxhole: Gehrig, Mariano, Yogi.
Under the Banner: Winfield, Martin, Straw
For a night out: Jeter, Babe, Mickey
Excellent list – spot on with “under the banner” although piniella vs fisk showed me alot about what sweet lou could bring to an alley fight…and martin could make the “for a night out” list as well…
question – why yogi in a foxhole (to keep the masses entertained with his yogiisms perhaps?)
oh god, Sutcliffe again? did he at least read the paper about the game last nite?
TEX is hot
Meanwhile, into every life a little rain must fall (or more than a little.) Off to NESN I go…
SAB
70′s foxhole Squad
Pinella
Puff
Munson
Yogi: Yes his sense of humor was part of it, his leadership, loyalty, reliability other reasons. Yogi = Rock
Greatest post season pitcher of our generation would be none other that the G.O.A.T. himself, Mr. Mariano Rivera, not Josh Beckett. (Mark in Tampa beat me to it but here is some food for thought).
Mo has thrown 117 post season innings, mostly in high leverage situations. That is nearly 2 full seasons worth as a closer so the sample size is huge. In those innings:
93 Ks, 16 BBs, 72 Hits (ridiculous WHIP of .750), 16 HR allowed (o.2/9 IP for those of you bad at math), 11 uns allowed, 1 unearned for an ERA of 0.77. Just sick, and this includes many multiple inning appearances.
Beckett’s 2.90 ERA and 0.943 WHIP as a starter in over 80 innings is pretty impressive but falls considerably short. His Big Game reputation is a bit stale, and overblown. He’s only started 12 post season games, and 3 of them were pretty bad, and 1 so-so. Hardly Whitey Ford.
Yogi was a Navy man. Saw action during WWII-including the battle of DDay.
Mark in Tampa
June 10th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
“The book was far better than the John Wayne movie. Although the movie was entertaining and based on some fact, the photography was horrible. I still read the book and watch the movie a lot, though.”
Funny how much Vietnam looked like Fort Benning through that particular camera lens.
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Yeah, the movie was shot all over the east coast….around Charleston for the rice paddies, North Carolina and the Phillipines. Parts of China Beach was shot in Savannah at the National Guard armory…..dressed to look like a hospital….a lot of scenes that were put in stock and used over and over.
“But Seattle, Oakland, and LA are so much more brutal? Its comical. These guys have a charter. Plus they get days off on 2 of the west coast trips.
Its just not that big a deal.”
Not to mention the fact that the West coast teams aren’t very good. The Yanks feasted on Seattle last year, Oakland is not strong, and LAA are a much different team.
I’m excited for this game and I don’t know why!
Oddly enough, with the thought of his wife possibly going into labor looming in the background, I would think with someone like Wang pitching would actually help to center him and give him focus rather than to throw him off track!
Go Yanks! Go Wang!
Go Yankees! Can’t watch the game on the tube tonight, have to rely on Ma & Pa Pinstripes…hopefully when Sterling starts his HR call it doesn’t turn out to only a routine flyball for our guys.
Good luck Wanger!
My LoHud foxhole:
Joe Francisco – that guy sounds so tough!
Dave – so he can bore the enemy with long-winded posts that only state the obvious.
Trisha – lover her or hate her, she’s always been a fighter
here we go with the stupid knuckleballer
I love Tex batting righty against Wake tonight.
Good luck Wang. May your sinkerball sink
GJ Tex!!
Teix just made the right decision of not batting left.
Texman
come..on arod ..homer here.
trisha -
I agree with you 100%. I was going to post something along those lines. But lately I have trouble keeping my posts brief, so I ended up deleting my thoughts.
Damn Fenway turned a HR into a single
I like our park better~!
Stop swinging at balls.
come on robbie…please
CB Bucknor is terrible
That was not a strike
Cano can be a puzzling hitter at times.
Wang time
that first pitch to cano was soo high…damn
Go into gameday and look at where the first pitch to Cano crossed home plate. Enough said.
That’s a squander we needed to come out fast and hard and set the tone.
I wonder if Melky will bat righty as well…?
Wang takes to the hill…
Taiwan waits with bated breath…
Girardi watches…
Matt you are right that was clearly a ball, Bucknor has always sucked
wow vin, thanks!
Let’s Go Yanks!!!!!
Dynasty =
That was a good one
Setting the overall mood
Appreciated
thats one groundball
me likey very very much!
hmmm. With a name like Bucknor, im surprised Girardi allowed him to ump our game.
I would want Donnie Baseball in my foxhole. If nothing else, he always looked fierce with those black lines under his eyes
95 mph o0
95 on gameday…
95mph
95 mph fastball? I’ll take it!
You’re welcome, Trisha.
Walks kill
Sinker 94 95.
DP right here..i’m calling it
Old school Wang doesn’t worry about that walk because you are one pitch away from a DP. Let’s see if he can do that here.
i don’t like the strike zone so far… the ump hasn’t seemed to figure out where he wants it.
No more walks no more walks no more walks
pitchers best friend – please!
well at least it didn’t lead off the inning…
COME ON CM!!! We all know you can do it. Just focus. Repeat what you did to the first batter.
Thanks!
1st pitch to Youkilis looks pretty good on Gameday.
c’mon Wang
no walks no walks no walks
Complain all you want, but according to Gameday those pitches are crossing home plate at the knees.
It’s a testament to how good his sinker is tonight that even the umpire is fooled, or maybe he just is terrible. Judging on his first inning call against Cano, I’d say the latter.
Yankee pitchers like to walk people; Wang Burnett Pettitte the pen…
Buckle up.
Did Wang catch the A.J diseases?
damn he’s getting squeezed
Gameday says all these pitches are strikes…
Wang cannot buy a strike tonight. It’s ridiculous how badly our pitchers have been squeezed in this series.
There seems to be too much movement on his pitches.
Wow, 1st pitch to Bay was clearly a strike on Gameday… how does it look on tv?
1 DP in 17 opportunities this year according Mike
Eck, the HOF pitcher, just said that Burnett probably was too strong last night because of two extra days rest.
Ahem.
Call something else Jorge
How is the ESPN announcer surprised that was a strike???
disgusting. This again?
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That is a luck run there.
That was a routine double play grounder, where are these guys playing?
Alex couldn’t get that?
I thought Arod was getting that.
cant do anything about that…its not the hit that hurts its the walks…
come on Wang
Damon has no arm!!
uh oh
Arod should have at least dove for that one. I never will say he has a lack of effort because he works very hard but I think that was a mistake by him. I think he thought Jeter could get it.
long night ahead
its an out…i’ll take it
Jeter was seriously out of position. Why was he playing so far up the middle?
This team cannot afford anymore Wang implosions. He has single-handedly destroyed this staff.
Most of these pitches aren’t strikes. They’re going right into the ground.
Ortiz is up. Inning should be over.
Don’t get thrown. We have this game.
Papi still not hitting his weight
They don’t boo him but yank fans boo Alex! say it Michael Kay!
vintage wang this is not.
Alex had no chance on that seeing eye grounder….Get real
yep blame it on Posada and Jeter
Wang need to go to HELL
That ground ball should of been had by Jeter
boston fans wont boo..big papi???? thats absurd!
his veolcity is good tho – location seems spotty.
That is the reason we need a left fielder with an arm.
20 pitches
he’s not getting any strike call…..
Stop with the “ugh he walked guys” nonesense. According to Gameday, 2 of the balls to Youkilis were DEFINITELY strikes, and that 2-1 to Ortiz just now was RIGHT OVER THE PLATE called a ball.
this is torture
This is a weird strike zone. I never complain about these things.
Even Orsillo said that was a good pitch. Wang is getting squeezed.
Wang is a joke now! How can you come in and walk two in the first inning?
How did he fall so far so fast?
It is horrible to watch this and being a NYY fan in NH is tough.
Joe go get him and bring in Hughes.
squeeeeeze him more please
at this pace, 6 innings is too much to ask
Wang, you are so damn frustrating…
Doreen and Trisha…
I’m glad you liked the haiku…
Hopefully we win…
Geezus how can you walk Ortiz.
The single on Bay should never have occurred regardless because Wang got squeezed pretty badly on that at bat. However, by not pitching well it is difficult to convince umps to give you borderline calls. I thought that pitch to Bay was pretty clearly a strike though. I have a feeling we will be seeing Hughes quite soon.
Papi slumps again
Dominican package comes
a special milkshake?
Arod could have gotten to that ball, but he gave up on it. Unbelievable.
3 stinkin walks
Bases juiced. 2 outs.
whoa a walk?
Throw strikes!!!
Wow 3rd walk of the inning. Get ready Phil.
Okay, can *I* request that Wang leave the game if his wife goes in to labor? This is effing terrible.
THROW STRIKES!!!!
The good news is hes missing low. Good sign. Velocity up.
Jerry freakin Davis. That was the loser behind the plate the last time we had a million bad calls.
Oh my achin back.
Laughable.
Im anxious for the excuses to begin by Pete and for CMW to tell us that nothings wrong when he talks after the game.
this is just painful to watch… u are payed millions of dollars… u should be able to throw a f ing strike
Hello, Mr. Hughes? Are you there?
Seriously. Stop complaining about the walks.
How about you stop whining because he isn’t k’ing the side and LOOK AT THE PITCHES.
Out of the balls that have walked hitters, at least 50% of them have been OBVIOUS strikes right over the plate. Gameday confirms.
His sinker is so good tonight that the ump refuses to call it a strike because he sees where the catcher gets it. It’s disgraceful.
Chien-Ming Wang struggles…
Girardi ponders his move…
Aceves readies…
Oh Lord…this guy’s mind is shot. Get him out of there already.
velocity up, command down. its better than him getting hammered. he needs to start throwing strikes however.
There is too much movement on those pitches. He’s throwing too hard (95 mph). He’s at his best when he’s around 91.
Motivational Speeches by A-Rod. That was beautiful
25 pitches
At least Pete can tell us the ball is down…of course in the dirt isnt exactly what I had in mind.
throw a friggggin strike!
the yanks cant afford to have Wang wreck their staff. he needs to be pulled NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
Guys. HE IS THROWING STRIKES. Right down the middle at the knees in fact. The umpire refuse to call them. Look at GAMEDAY if you are dumb enough to not realize that.
Wang is done.
D-Rob is up in the pen. 1 pitch away from walking in a run.
How long are we going to keep running this guy out here??? Unbelievable
Oh gosh
Finally
why do our pitchers wet themselves when they are on the fenway mound
He is about to throw a meatball right over the plate to attempt at a strike. I really hope he doesn’t though.
Robertson up already. Girardi must have Wang on a REALLY short leash tonight.
Good Lord help us
Get Hughes in there after this inning.
Lord throw the ball over the plate. Goodness.
please get out of this
please
please
I cannot believe what i’m seeing. I have tremendous faith in wang..but he is killing me…..
wow huge
Wang gets out of it.
yes have a hot gun? breaking balls at 95?
WOW
thank God,he was dreadful
it was because I asked very nicely
I see Matt is in the excuses club. The best news is Wang threw so many pitches that we wont be subjected to this for much longer today.
considering last night, i’ll take that.
29 pitches
Only 1 run allowed so it isn’t that bad considering what could of happened. Hopefully Wang settles down he has good stuff tonight.
JoeT, the article references Joe Girardi talking about the possibility of Phil remaining in the pen all year. I’ll re-post the link….
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....o_the.html
I see it starts with Wang in the first already……
Damage minimized.
That is the BEST I’ve seen Wang in a LONG time, including last year.
He’s throwing 95 mph sinkers with some of the most ridiculous movement I’ve seen in a LONG time. Most of these pitches are even strikes and are not being called BECAUSE THEY HAVE SO MUCH MOVEMENT that the umpire sees where the catcher gets it and thinks it’s a ball.
One run is not too bad, but throwing 30 pitches in the inning is definitely not good.
the YES radar gun has been calling everything 95 mph
“yes have a hot gun? breaking balls at 95?”
I’m watching on NESN and they have it at 95. That’s why there is too much movement. He’s throwing too hard.
Good Job CMW, can this offense explode please, I’m talking about a 5 run inning we need one of those.
that was the worst way ever to give up 1 run…i wish it could of been a first pitch homer than 3 quick outs…please settle down wang…your sinker sinky too much
Poor performance there by Wang.
This guy needs to get it straightened out.
His agent is weeping right now. Arbitration is going to be rough this offseason.
Phew! I take back what I said about the meatball he got through it. According to gameday, he does seem to be getting squeezed. A called strike on one pitch was called a ball on the next pitch. He is getting no outside corner at all.
“Look at GAMEDAY if you are dumb enough to not realize that.”
wrong
Wang recalls time past…
As he overcomes the threat…
Yankee fans are pleased…
Someone call the hospital and tell the nurse to induce labor.
“That is the BEST I’ve seen Wang in a LONG time, including last year.
He’s throwing 95 mph sinkers with some of the most ridiculous movement I’ve seen in a LONG time. Most of these pitches are even strikes and are not being called BECAUSE THEY HAVE SO MUCH MOVEMENT that the “umpire sees where the catcher gets it and thinks it’s a ball”
Agreed. They scored a luck run there as our infielders gave up on the ball and Damon has pop gun in left.
Matt – has gone off the deep end right? walking 3 guys is the best hes been in over a year? I didnt realize CMW had a brother named Matt until today.
He’s probably going no more then 5 innings. 29 pitches already. And he has a limited pitch count.
Want to laugh your butt off? Go back and read some of your posts. Please. Do it. Man alive I can’t imagine living in that kind of self-imposed fright!
wang’s still working his way back. funny, at this point he’s in a similar situation to phranchise. he needs to pitch, plain and simple.
There is too much movement on those pitches. He’s throwing too hard (95 mph). He’s at his best when he’s around 91.
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Thats what got him demoted. A 91 mile an hour sinker. Hes at 94/95 where hes been successful for years. Folks need to be patient. He actually looks better than any other outing this year. His pitches are sinking down and unfortunatly they arent swinging at it. I think hes on his way back. Happy to see his velocity comeback and his pitches below the knees.
Very inconsistent strike zone by the ump.
“He’s throwing too hard (95 mph). He’s at his best when he’s around 91.”
Wrong. Most of his success has come when he is in the 93-95 range. There’s a HUGE difference between a 91 mph sinker and one that is 95.
Wang limits damage
Now Yankee bats must arrive
Sun Yat-sen will smile
If Wang implodes in this game(looks very likely)they will have no choice but to put him back on the DL. He has to work on his issues in the minors not up here costing the team games. They can not continue to lose games while Wang attempts to find himself. It is enough already…
“umpire sees where the catcher gets it and thinks it’s a ball”
does that insane quote mean that the nearly 10 balls that landed in the dirt were really strikes but the umps didnt notice it?
Tie game!
“Call something else Jorge”
What does it matter what Jorgie calls? Wang has no control. He’s walking them.
HIP HIP JORGE!!!!!!!!
Jorge!
is this the same ump who was squeezing hughes in Detroit?
YEAH POSADA!
Fenway special!
Yeah Jorge!
Posada ties up the game!! He picks up his pitcher!!!
finally something good happening in 2 games
JoPo!!!
JORGE’s protecting his wanger
wow that was quick lol
Jorge picks up his pitcher and brings the game back to zero for Wang. Redemption time for him next inning. Hip hip Jorge!
Jorgey juiced one!!
nice camera work
throw a damn strike……..
espn is a friggin joke.. 1 inning doozie by sutcliffe and the other hack.
yankee bullpen is thin tonight…really.. how many pitches did hughes, aceves, rivera, and others throw last night???Moron.. they used there scrubs last night moron.
the sux bench is better then the yanks.. really kotteras, lugo, kotsay, and baile or baldelli.. yea I am wrong that is murderers row 2 my bad.
this broadcast has to be muted…they are pathetic and sadly uninformed…………
Hey Pete, got any cybervalium for some of the tough guys hgere?
jorge!
I have been telling you all afternoon- there is CRAZY in the air tonight. Hang on tight
Matsui!!!
we are getting robbed with the calls.
We have a lead :0 , do we have the most solo HR in the league?
matsui breaking out the slump!
wow 2 good things
run Matsui! run
Wakefield throws crap
Jorge picking up his pitcher. Anyone who questions whether or not he’s the best catcher for this team is absurd. He’s solid behind the plate, and his bat his superior to almost every other catcher in the game.
Wakefield is batting practice if that knuckleball isn’t dancing.
Oh yeah, if you think Wang is not throwing strikes, check gameday. His stuff is sinking so much his strikes at the knees end up in the dirt.
Swish!!!
ahahahahahahahha nick. NICE!!!
We need to put up as many runs as possible…..
Beautiful Swisher! That’s heads up thinking right there!
NICE BUNT LOL I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Swishy!
It’s not supposed to be where the ball lands, it’s supposed to be where it crosses the plate.
wakefield is pisssed. I love it
Swisher bunt single =)
the rs have a better bullpen that is it.
Wakefield threw a Knuckler to 1st
So.. believe me yet, there is crazy in the air????
Jorge shows his grit…
Matsui is always clutch…
Nick Swisher hustles…
cb-
if you’re here, what’s up with wang’s release being as low as 5′ 9″‘s on gameday f/x.
that’s really low for wang . is fenway’s f/x working well or is this a bogus reading?
i
Tex makes that play
Swisher’s pretty lucky that he wasn’t called out for not being in the running lane. Great push bunt, though.
Espn is crying about the bad call at the bag. They didn’t seem too upset about the blown strikes calls.
You tools still confident with Wang
Eckersley is such a brown noser.
pretty sad how people resort to joke on a pregnant woman….
ESPN=Exclusive Sox Patriots Network
ESPN sucks
Swish what?
wow. dammit swisher.
DISGUSTING INEXCUSABLEEEEEEEEEEEEE
OMFG!! that kills
Swisher what was that?!?
Nice kill of a rally.
The umpire gave the Red Sox the break on that call.
DAMMIT SWISH…talk about a total rally killer….geez
horrible
Stupid ..stupid….stupiddd…stupidd
I am glad Swish is awake..That was really bad..
What a disgusting swing by Jeter.
And just like that, Swish is gone
“You tools still confident with Wang”
Yep, this tool is still totally confident with Wang. And you?
uggg well 1 is better than none
Man on third no outs and couldn’t get him in.
Going to be one of those series for the Yankees I think.
1st & 3rd no outs = zero runs….
A mental error…
Momentum can shift away…
Wang must bear down now…
Bad baserunning by Swish but what the hell was that swing by Jeter? Hahah good to see him chuckling about that one. You know he didn’t intend to flail like that.
Terrible base running Swisher.
Darn.
Swishy, what were ya thinkin, man?
Well, I feel good – they can hit Wakefield.
man…i dont knw how this happpened…1 minute ago i was feeling like we were gonna rock wakefield..now the innnings over…
That’s the 2007/8 Yankees right there.
so it should be at least 2-0
but its 1-0
randy i realize that’s too low for wang’s release point, but that’s a hell of a lot better than 6’5”, which is where he was at @ the beginning of the season.
The dumbest baserunning blunder you can make. The ball was in front of you….that is terrible!
We can thank Swisher for his stupid baserunning. Who knows what would have happened without that DP.
That’s 6 pretty ugly at bats for Jeter in this series. Not like the others have had any better.
The potential of a big inning ……. down the drain. If Melky lets the ball go it’s bases loaded – no outs.
Ugh !!!
Hopefully Wang can hold the tie. Jorge has brought the game ultimately back down to zero for him. The earned run doesn’t matter. He needs to forget about that last inning and the ump needs to realize a sinker is a strike if it crosses the plate as one it doesn’t matter if it ends up in the dirt after it crosses.
RISP Runners in stranded position
Calm down-
They are showing they can get to Wakefield. It’s going to be okay
Hopefully this is a better inning for Wang. Fingers and toes crossed
wang’s four seam fastball is good enough at 94-95 mph to mix it in on first pitches to get strikes. it’s harder for red sox hitters to not swing at the ow sinker when they are behind in the count.
posada has to use some creativity back there. the sinker looks good though.
Ladies and Gentlemen – your 2009 NY Yankees.
You have to try real hard to not score Matsui there.
REAL hard.
Wang needs a 9-12 pitch inning here.
Yea, i still believe in Wang. Glad to see a so called “fan” doesnt.
Melk hit the ball well, I thought, SS made a good play on it. Swish just shouldn’t have been so far off first.
am i the only one pissed that so many of the yankees seem to be smiling and joking on the field…after jeter swings at that awful pitch he is seen laughing; when damon grounded out he was laughing when he came jogging back to the dugout. swish even seemed to be grinning after he got doubled off. the whole team’s demeanor seems off. very weird.
11 pitch inning would be good
Ralphie well so far we have 4 hits. We’re hitting Wakefield. That bodes well.
Wakefield is not sharp
Swisher hurt the effort there
But Yanks will prevail
How does the old addage go, you play for one run you get none.
Btw- I was catching up on Sunday’s sport section. A scout called Wilson Betemit the worst player in baseball after he was released last week.
We are just terrible with RISP !!!
“UPDATE, 7:42 p.m.: Meanwhile, the Yankees are bunting at Fenway Park in the second inning of a 1-0 game? What exactly is the thinking there? Let Nick Swisher swing the bat. They traded for him because of his power potential, not so he could give himself up.”
I agree. Not smart to play for one run with Wang’s inconsistency on the mound right now. They likely will need to score plenty tonight.
Not good – that’s one time when 1 run isn’t good enough. Let’s see – a wasted opportunity and a bad baserunning play. I’m sorry, but the last few games the Yankees have made a bunch of errors and overall not played sound fundamental baseball (yes, I know they’ve won most of those games). Ugh.
Infield hit. Wow. Does Wang have bad luck or what?
Nick Green friggin series MVP…………career bum
that hit sucked
what luck…green has no business getting these many hits against the yanks
O’Brien & Sutcliff both suck…..The worst of the ESPN crew…..
that ball had eyes…
Stupid lucky hit.
If I’m a tool, can I be a cattle prod or a taser? That way I’d be really useful around here.
CMW has got to go right after the (pretty weak) bottom of the order – 6-9.
As I type that, the great Nick Green reaches on a chopper.
Just don’t walk those guys.
How many breaks can they get?
Melky must not have hit that ball on the screws.
What was Green doing out on the outfield grass???
Just for the record Pete Swisher was clearly safe on the bunt, Youkilis never touched the bag. The fact that he didn’t even turn to argue should have given you the hint on that one.
i dont think girardi called for that swishahouse bunt. it was a good idea.
Nick Green the yankees killer … how bad is it getting ???
“Ralphie well so far we have 4 hits. We’re hitting Wakefield. That bodes well.”
i know..but that was a big momemtum boost for the sox..im big on those..wang needs to put up a zero here
afggggggggggggggggggggg no walks no walks
Please get a DP
A double play here please….
Don’t do this again Wang.
please wang.. oh please throw strikes
Um please don’t walk the number 9 hitter.
Hes taking to long between pitches.
Theres that movement matt was talking about. If only those umps would call the 59 footer a strike
Unreal.
We are Boston fodder.
Do we have a pitcher that can go more than 4 inning against this team?
“Stupid lucky hit.
If I’m a tool, can I be a cattle prod or a taser? That way I’d be really useful around here.”
X2 on that idea. We can use you to push the jumpers off the ledge
Eckersley is an absolute joke as a commentator.
boy oh boy
Not good!
I really hate that ballpark, lol.
more good movement on the sinker. That Matt should be a pitching coach.
#9 hitter? really?
The 8 & 9 hitters should NEVER do this
Wow just wow…..number 9 hitter folks.
Watch how Boston fundamentally gets Kottaras in from second.
Something $200 million doesn’t buy.
Wang struggling again…
Girardi must make a move…
Hughes or Aceves…
throw the damn four seam fastball at the beginning of the count instead of when everyone knows it’s coming.
Nick Green and now Kottaras …. 8-9 hitters ….. grab a bottle … looks like another long one.
Ugh.
This is gonna be a long night. Neither of these guys look like they have their best stuff. I’d really appreciate it, however, if Wang would keep this from getting out of hand. Problem is, he’s shown no ability to keep the ball down and IN the zone, and is compensating by leaving it way up, and it’s getting hammered.
this is hard to watch
Just got in. Are we in this game or what?
Can we get Hughes ready so we can maybe win?
also remember Pete told us Wang needs to be a starter so he can get his work in – how is that working so far?
Holy Schnikeys. We’re watching the collapse of Chien Ming Wang.
You can not bring Hughes or Aceves in now, in the 2nd inning……..Wang is going to KILL this pen, just like he did in April, for weeks at a time. I don’t know how long the Yankees can go with him like this.
Terrible play by Swish
GJ swish lol
This is just stinky
Guys, it’s NOT THE PITCHING.
How about the fact that we had 1st and 3rd, no outs, and didn’t score because Swisher is an idiot? That ball was nowhere close to being a hit.
And now he just missed a routine line out ti right field.
PULL HIM NOW GIRARDI.
another mistake on swisher.
f$%^&*
Another error?
Can we all stop sugar-coating Wang’s performance and put Philip Hughes in.. It’s pretty clear now that Wang isn’t a major league caliber pitcher at this present moment.. He needs to be sent down, cause what is going on is in his head.. I said before, he’s a mental case.. He may have won 19 games before, but he always had an ERA over 4 for his career… Nice play Swish, what a bad outfielder!!
Got to call an error on Swisher. That was brutal.
Here starts batting practice for Wang.
ugh this is a disaster so far. Please Chien, hold them here, the first team to 9 wins tonight.
Swisher man. What the heck
Why was he brought back seriously. does anybody think in this organization?
Get Wang out of this game before it gets out of hand. Put him back on the DL with some phantom injury. In AAA he can straighten himself out.
Its still too early to panic. I predict massive weirdness tonight, this game is going to be a crazy one
Is Swish drunk?? ReallY??
Wow, Nick…….
where are all the ” its only the second inning” people?
So the Great Nick Green gets a hit, the Minor league catcher gets a double.
We have first and third and we don’t score.
were doom, doom, doom
so much for that great defense.
awful job by SWISHER
Nick Swisher
Just think the Yankees could have had Santana for Wang. Unreal…. Not to mention Damon and Swisher are horrible outfielders. Swisher looked horrible on the last play.
swisher is not having himself a good game…wang has no control plus is getting no breaks…a deadly combination…this has to end now…we can hit wakefield but not looking up at a 5 spot…end the madness please!!! pleaseee
I am amazed it is taking the scorer so long to call an error
Giardi very smart pitching wang in boston… really smart
another friggin’ disaster. Let Wang go be with his wife already.
Wang not catching any breaks. Swisher had a good jump on that ball he should have gotten it.
Matt – did us not scoring cause wang to walk i think 3 batters so far? or to give up a rope double to kotteras? which one?
It’s not a matter of Boston better or intimidation or anything.
WE ARE PLAYING HORRIBLE BASEBALL, PERIOD.
Swisher missed a routine line out. Swisher got doubled off first base on a soft liner that had no chance of being a hit. A-Rod doesn’t go for the routine double play grounder in the 1st inning.
This team has been masking all its flaws by miraculous comebacks, but they have not been that outstanding lately. Their offense has been a joke (like 1 for last 15 with RISP) and they have made errors in like 7 or 8 straight games.
Boston is not beating us. We are beating ourselves.
Routine baserunning and routine defense, and we are cruising to an easy win tonight with Wakefield giving up a lot of runs and Wang settling in.
Unfortunately defense isn’t helping so much.
Still we’ll take this game.
FYi everybody: Wang is up to stay. He has NO options.
Swisher’s two plays just sums up the Yankees and Red Sox role reversal since 2004. In the past we had that ‘eye of the tiger’. Now we play the part of road kill.
… Curse of Arod anyone ?
Swisher’s act is running thin now.
You know the jerks at ESPN are just eating this up…
who else saw that jd drew ball somehow eluding wang..it would just make sense
You have got to be kidding me…Swish is just plain pathetic today..Hughes should be getting up very soon…They can not give up this game just to build up Wang’s arm strength. Obviously Swish sleeping today doesn’t help.
can someone please shut sutcliffe up!!!
” I said before, he’s a mental case.”
.. such analysis.
lol
wang’s stuff isn’t that bad.
The Yankees just had an almost sac bunt but Swisher happened to be called safe. But sacrificing is Boston Red Sox baseball??? Isn’t there some stat that they rarely ever bunt or something? I remember reading that here.
Hey Matt – even Pete realizes this is a disaster? I mean I guess there is also some fool who has to be the last person to realize something so congratulations matt on being that last fool.
I’m not certain I can handle Sutcliff and his bs much longer….
swisher is high…
Thats the daily error right there. We are close to accomplishing everything we have to acomplish. We hace already left a village of runners on base, made an error, and walked the ballpark.
wow @ them ruling that a double.
HUGHES *NOW*, not Robertson! This unfortunate situation is tailor-made for Phil.
Bill (in England, listening to John & Suzyn via mlb.com radio)
Heino, watch the game and stop looking at the box score.
Wang has walked 3, but most of those were the result of him getting squeezed. Gameday is showing that on the walks, nearly 50% of the balls are actually strikes. How is that his fault? What is he supposed to do, throw it down the middle and give up a 3-run bomb? You guys are unbelievable.
And it’s hardly the walks. Nobody got to a routine double play grounder that scored the 1 run in the first, and none of the other walks led to runs.
where are all the ” its only the second inning” people?
____________
I told myself that is was only second inning during the first 6 losses to Boston.
Swisher plays like a little leaguer
no research from espn as usual. ” only in the second inning ” crap is getting old. We have Hughes to come in after robertson.
Did our pitching staff stay in New York? This is an embarressment, I feel sick to my stomach
That the Yanks turn into a little league team against the Sux
what’s sutcliffe saying?
how Tex and Arod almost beat his ass?
“where are all the ” its only the second inning” people?”
Right here pal. Sorry to disappoint you but I just can’t bring myself to pass out quite yet.
“wang’s stuff isn’t that bad.”
3 walks in the first inning and constantly behind the Sox hitters! What are you smoking???
“Got to call an error on Swisher. That was brutal.”
I’m stuck listening to Sterling… his call:
“Swisher makes a great one-handed grab!!! Oh, he drops the ball, the run scores.”
Then Suzyn had to tell him that Swisher, in fact, made a horrible play and never even touched the ball.
Sterling is almost as bad as the Yanks’ starting pitching this series.
I am confused- was that a ground rule double or an error by Mr. Swisher?
Randy I, Boston is just sitting and making Wang throw strike 1
I can take this blog anymore. The score is 3-1 and the “yankees suck”. The minute someone make a terrible play, everyone cries. Then when they win, it’s great.
What a pile of crybabies.
I am assuming that is why Swish played LF yesterday because Girardi didn’t like his defense in RF in this ballpark. Besides the pitching the team has been very sloppy. Bad base running, mental mistakes and errors.
roberson is only up to come in mid inning. hughes will not come in mid inning.
Its quite staggering how some people seem quite fulfilled when they have something to rant about, lol.
Wang is already at 50 pitches
I think we’d be looking at Tomko before Robertson in Fenway
Swish bunting in the first inning was stupid……now this. He really is a terrible RF…..
You know what would be great?
If people could keep their dissatisfaction confined to THIS game.
The Yankees are not a terrible team.
They are not a $200 million waste.
Swisher and Damon are not great outfielders, but neither is “terrible”.
THIS GAME sucks. Will we win THIS game? Probably not. Wang is pitching beyond awful. The offense, in 2 innings, has completely wasted scoring chances.
THIS GAME sucks.
The team does not, and reading these knee jerk posts is really starting to irritate me.
Matt –
Guess what?
Gameday doesn’t call balls and strikes.
Watch the game – Wang’s thrown alot of balls…
Matt – u realize you told me to watch the game and not the box score adn then told me you are looking at the gameday Screen? thats moronic even for you? also id say conservatively 8 balls have been in the dirt. Kenny even commented on it? were those strikes too?
Wang has been more than fine. He is throwing PLENTY of strikes and they are not being called by the umpire.
Pull your heads out of your behind and look at the damn Gameday. It’s not that freaking hard.
Gameday charts the pitches with sensors located in the ballparks and keeps track of where they cross HOME PLATE. According to the pitch tracking, the umpire has missed at least 10 pitches already that were strikes and called balls. You wonder why he walked 3 guys and threw 30 pitches in the first? Because he threw 3 pitches out of 4 to Youkilis that were at the knees down the middle and called balls.
“Sterling is almost as bad as the Yanks’ starting pitching this series.”
The good thing is yankees starting pitching will get better but Sterling will not
CMW is brutal.
lmfao vin did sterling really make that call?? that’s the post of the night! (so far)
“wang’s stuff isn’t that bad.”
” “3 walks in the first inning and constantly behind the Sox hitters! What are you smoking??? ” ”
– wish I had some of that in the house. Gonna be another long one.
Matt, get off the Kool Aid. Wang is not pitching well…stop looking at Gameday and watch the game. The YES announcers realize what is going on.
“I think we’d be looking at Tomko before Robertson in Fenway.”
That was last night. He won’t be playing long man two nights in a row.
Wang is back in old form…choking against Boston.
It’s not just about tonight, it’s about his next start and the one after that and the season.
Wang isn’t catching any breaks — at all.
And sorry Pete, that wasn’t a bad call at first base. Swisher was safe. Youk wasn’t on the bag.
Though the Sox aren’t stupid… they know to work Wang because he’s on a pitches limit and he’s having trouble. Can’t say the same for our hitters though. Just don’t understand why they’re not working Wakefield.
52 pitches….Wang won’t be long tonight…
good slider wang. FINALLY!
” what a great at bat by youkilis ” – rick sutcliffe
tex’s friend, if I misunderstood the intent of your question I apologize.
YAY CM!!!
You’re seeing whey Nady was the starting RF out of ST. Nady is a better player then Swisher.
Thankfully he’s back soon.
Donnie: My bad. You are right.
Matt please follow your own advice and watch the game? he has been terrible. and if you have to say moronic things go tell it to your imaginary friend and dont waste space on the blog.
Eckersley is homer for Sox. I have no idea how much they pay him but he’d be willing to kiss Francona’s butt right now. I can’t believe I have to use a NESN feed…..
I agree with you Donnie. I don’t think any of us should say the team sucks as we are currently tied with the team that is allegedly beating us so badly. We are entitled to say within this game that Wang is not pitching well and that Swisher just had two horrible plays on offense and defense.
Wang is coming around. This isn’t happening overnight. His stuff is good.
You people have no clue, wow.
Just because the catcher catches the ball way out of the zone doesn’t mean it was a ball.
It depends on where it crosses HOME PLATE, which GAMEDAY CHARTS.
Wang’s pitches have SO MUCH MOVEMENT tonight that he is throwing them where they cross at the KNEES and are caught IN THE DIRT. He’s that good tonight. The umpire is fooled even.
You guys are unbelievable. You are looking for any reason to kill the guy over whatever he does. How about the fact that he is throwing 95 mph sinkers with some of the most ridiculous movement I’ve seen in years from him?
Look at that at bat on Bay. That’s how sick his stuff is tonight.
How is that not a strike?
I don’t think it’s panicking to say the Yankees are playing lousy baseball…….even in their wins, they’ve made errors, and tonight is just ugly.
How many innings can Phil give us tonight? 3 or 4?
I agree with Pete – Wang is a disaster; is it ok for him to brutalize the pen the way he does?
Nope, no breaks at all.
JerrY DAVIS IS A ^%$$%%^
Wang!!!
that was huge!
Great comeback for Wang.
now they are complaining about the HBPs.
how about the years pedro was using yankees as target practice you a-holes!!!!
58 pitches thru 2 innings
Of course we all know that your NAKED EYE is clearly more accurate than a system of computer sensors located at the BALLPARK.
What were you saying? Wang has been flat out NASTY tonight. He has thrown some of the best sinkers of any pitcher in baseball this year in that at bat to Bay.
this is hard to watch !
ya know, i wish tex and arod would’ve pushed rick sutcliffe around.
Strong finish by Wang. Too bad his defense has let him down big time.
That’s the worst I’ve ever seen Bay look.
Seriously, I’d hate to see how some of you people deal with real adversity, if you go to pieces and overreact like this at a damn baseball game.
Contrary to popular belief, CMW isn’t doing this as a personal affront. Ugh.
espn is becoming almost unwatchable on wednesday and sunday nights.
All we need is one big inning and everyone will be singing another tune
“CMW is brutal.”
Yeah Johnny D. Brutal.
YAWN!
sutcliffe made a good point though. wang is shortening his stride WAY too much. against bay and youk he finally stepped out. those were some good sliders he threw against them.
The Wang-Man digs deep , great heart right there…Maybe that will be the turning point for him…Whiffing Youklis & Bay is very impressive…..
Swish is really starting to bug me..
Wang recovered nicely after that nasty start to the inning. Hopefully he can go 1-2-3 in the next inning
if someone can’t tell the difference with their eyes between a four seam fastball and a sinker, maybe they should spend less time typing and more time watching.
wang has enough stuff tonight for a catcher to be creative with.
posada really should simply mix in the four seam fastball more.
oh boy – another long game… is this improvement or not?
Chien-Ming Wang recovers…
On this field Ted Williams trod…
Pinstripes will be proud…
The positive is they are hitting Wakefield, and we will see Hughes soon with his pitch count going up.
was it erica who said this game would be “Weird”….she is totally correct…this game is the epitome of weird…all we need now is a horse to run across the outfield with red soxs on and a pedroia elf hat
Made Bay look a bit silly. A few quick innings would be helpful.
randy-What’s your take on what you have seen from Wang so far?
Wang has to get in a rhythm or his fielders are going to get back on their heels.
Wang has been very good tonight. Better defensive play and a consistent strike zone would have made this a great start. The only hard hit ball hit off him was the double by the catcher.
I think what we have learned tonight is Matt created Gameday and that every 6 words he needs to capitalize a few in a row just to prove to himself that his Caps Lock button still works.
There ya go Damon, work Wakefield!
“wang’s stuff isn’t that bad.”
I agree. I have no major concern with this outing so far.
Wang clearly has no command but that’s not that big a deal. It’s very clear that right now Wang is where most pitchers are in spring training. He simply shouldn’t be pitching in the bigs right now.
But those command issues are very, very secondary. Really the only thing that matters is how much movement Wang has on his pitches and his ability to keep the ball low in the zone.
His pitches have a ton of movement and when he’s missing he’s consistently missing down.
How many hard hit balls have there been tonight? Not many at all.
The Boston hits have come primarily on seeing eye ground balls, high choppers off the plate.
I’m very happy with the quality of Wang’s stuff because this is absolutely, completely different than how he looked during those three disastrous starts.
Wang is bad right now but for completely different reasons. This is simply rust/ arm strenght/ leg strength. This is really no big deal because it is going to go away over time.
What’s most reassuring is that it now seems clear that all of those notions of Wang simply being “broken” and “forgetting” how to pitch aren’t the case.
Wang simply needs more work. His command is terrible. But it’s terrible because it has too much movement and is down in the zone.
The quality of his stuff doesn’t look bad. Lots of action on the ball.
Wang was huge, we are still in this
matt, even if his movement is that good, if the ump doesn’t call it, its still a ball. sucks, but its true. dammit damon take a couple!
should be 2-1
Wow – Singy is 62! Looks great.
Funny how everyone who was criticizing me for saying Wang was pitching much better than anyone would give him credit for tonight have ALL shut up now.
Wang is pitching fine. He had some bad luck and was squeezed like crazy, but his stuff is so good tonight that he is blowing guys away.
“lmfao vin did sterling really make that call?? that’s the post of the night! (so far)”
He really did. I’d almost be better off not listening to him and just guess at what is happening in the game.
This is my 5th season of listening to him, and he has NEVER been this bad. He has been horrid so far.
Tex Yankee MVP
Double by Tex. At least someone came to play ball today.
How good is Tex??????????? Really, this guy is just great!!
Tough play by Bay
CMW is not pitching horribly…a couple of choppers and a horrible play by Swisher and they have 3 runs. He isn’t pitching well by any means but not terrible
Wang is still alive
Though LoHudders buried him
Now score him some runs!
pat m-
wang has some life to his sinker tonight and some pop velocity wise.
if he can settle down , he may surprise a few people tonight.
That ballpark is a joke. That double was a Fenway Park special.
Before anyone gets on me the above is Peter Gammons Saphire.
Alex come on. Take a pitch
Where would we be without this guy, seriously?
Sox beat us 6-0. Without Tex, we’d be back 5-6 games.
RalphieD (OPPC all day)
June 10th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
was it erica who said this game would be “Weird”….she is totally correct…this game is the epitome of weird…all we need now is a horse to run across the outfield with red soxs on and a pedroia elf hat
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. I started saying it around 3:40. LOL. I think it’ll get weirder still….
Yes, that was me
Arod Mr Clutch
Hey, has a ball ever gone into one of those slots on the scoreboard at Fenway???
“It depends on where it crosses HOME PLATE, which GAMEDAY CHARTS.”
You remember THE extra innings game against Boston from 2004, when Jeter went flying in to the stands?
Yeah, Gameday said that game ended something like 3 different times when, clearly, it had not. I think at one point, it said Bernie hit a home run. To someone who had dialup internet at the time, and couldn’t keep track of the game any other way, it was incredibly frustrating.
Even last night, it said Burnett checked a runner on first base. First base was clearly open.
My point? Gameday isn’t infallible. You’d probably be well advised to stop treating it like gospel.
Wonderful. A-Rod pops up on the first pitch. Why go after Wakefield on the first pitch?
CB, well said.
Joekuh – Please understand THAT IF gameday says it is a STRIKE THAN that is what IT IS REGARDLESS of what anyone else MIGHT SAY.
As if the Yankees play isnt embarassing enough, DirecTV is forcing me to watch the game on NESN. If there is a worse announcer that Dennis Eckersley he must be doing high school games. I thought the US outlwed tortured???
Meanwhile,maybe Wang just found something to build on.
“I’m very happy with the quality of Wang’s stuff because this is absolutely, completely different than how he looked during those three disastrous starts.
Wang is bad right now but for completely different reasons. This is simply rust/ arm strenght/ leg strength. This is really no big deal because it is going to go away over time.”
^ From CB
Ahh, it’s so nice to see someone who actually knows the game of baseball and what they’re talking about.
That quote should end the discussion on CMW right now.
Now, how about we talk about how GREAT the offense is doing :rolleyes:
Cano Mr Clutch Jr.
cano come on. Take a pitch.
Inexcusable from Alex there – just incredibly weak performance.
SWINGING AT FIRST PITCH??????????
OMG freaking… 2 pitches and 2 outs.. way to pick up Tex.. pitiful!!
Cano shaking off the patience he was showing a few games ago…
I bet Tex goes over the wall in his next AB
Can’t they be patient against Wakefield? It’s ridiculous. These past 2 games feel so…April-ish…
I’m as upbeat as the next fan but 0-6 againts boston and trailing 3-1 in the second and the offense has done nothing this series is looking really bad.
I’m encouraged by Wang though, good movement great velocity his next start is against the nationals that start is the start where he will take off. 5 innings 3 runs sounds amazing right now.
Alex going into a shell.
Can this offense score without the long ball, pathetic
mlbtv thinks its 3 outs.
ok it is now
Hey, has a ball ever gone into one of those slots on the scoreboard at Fenway???
I don’t know about a ball, but once Manny …..
They need someone to actually start hitting the ball behind Tex. He gets on base all the time and then it is just easy outs right behind him. Someone needs to get hot with the bat after him.
DONNIE – how dare you CHALLENGE GAMEDAY. THAT IS unacceptable. MATT WILL BE outraged that you are INSULTING HIS creation. I THINK THE WAY the hierarchy works IS THAT GAMEDAY is slightly more INFALLIBLE than god.
Sorry for all the typos. My fingers are hurting from all this Eckerslyitis.
It’s not Wang. Look at the game tonight.
Swisher’s error costs him the 3rd run. The joke ground ball by Bay costs him the 1st of the 3.
How about Swisher getting doubled off first base on a soft liner that hung up for so long he could have been standing on second base and STILL gotten back to first in time? That changed the entire complexion of the game.
We had a chance to get a lead for Wang early and let him settle in, and we didn’t even score ONE with 1st and 3rd, no outs. Our hitters have given Wakefield 5 pitch innings right after Wang throws 30.
How do you expect a guy to ever settle down when he is being run RIGHT back out there after ridiculously long innings, while his team doesn’t even give him any run support in EASY situations to score runs?
is it just me or is Pete just a tad on the negative side tonight? jumped the gun calling the swisher play a bad call by the ump while youk was clearly off the base. Swisher was also not exactly giving himself up with the bunt, he was bunting for a hit. Take it easy, Pete.
Another A-Rod special. Is he in a race to catch Big Sloppy?
Arod – WORST hitter with RISP !!!
When is our prize #4 hitter going to carry this team?
No more excuses about the hip, fans.
This guy needs to start delivering.
He is awful, Drive.
It just doesnt matter to them. They are up there to hit balls and hit their way on base.
The red sox understand that you cannot get out until there are 2 strikes. and then, they put the ball in play to make the defense work or maybe get lucky infield hits or bloopers.
Arod has been quiet since the Cleveland series. He was hot before that.
Love Cano but he his shaky with RISP.
“As if the Yankees play isnt embarassing enough, DirecTV is forcing me to watch the game on NESN. If there is a worse announcer that Dennis Eckersley he must be doing high school games. I thought the US outlwed tortured???”
I’m being forced to watch it on NESN as well. Eckersley is the biggest homer yet.
helno51-
You do an excellent DEBORAH. Way to channel your inner psycho
Great post, CB. I’d like to print it out and staple it to a few people’s foreheads.
I don’t care what Wang used to be…..This is the majors and if he’s not good enough to play, we have to make up another phantom issue and put this “has been” in the minors where he belongs. NO MORE OF THIS.
Erica, nothing weird has happened, at least in my book. I want weird, where’s the weird?
I have a question for people who keep referring to Cano and Melky as stupid.
Where’s the outrage with Nick Swisher?
This is hardly the first game where he’s made a bone head play.
Where is all of the derogatory bluster aimed at him?
Swisher bunts in fenway park. Nice move. That’s thinking.
And then he completely flails on a very routing fly ball and costs the team a run.
Where is the outrage?
I can’t imagine the reaction if either Melky or Cano had this kind of game.
that was an incredibly odd (weird?) inning as well…2 pitches to damon he hits a well hit liner at drew…2 pitches to tex he hits one right off the wall barely out of the reach of bay..then arod hits a weak 1st pitch and same for cano…im looking for that horse still!!
Dennis Eckersley = a form of waterboarding.
With RISP, the Yankees turn to pumkins !!!
matt was that hard hit?
Oh boy!
Drive 4-5… You think it’s bad watching the game on NESN…..The only feed I could get at my home last night was NESN on an 8 game split screen…..Unreal!!!I was blacked out on every feed except the MLB mix channel
Another soft hit for Wang laughable.
oye, when is this series over?
and then a first pitch homerun…
What did Gameday say on that pitch Matt? Homer for Lowell.
I will lose my mind if Wang starts another game…
Lowell leaves the park. Fenway park homer but Mr. Eckersley does not say anything about that being a Fenway homer.
Are people really complaining about taking pitches from a knuckleball pitcher?
He can throw 150 pitches if he needs to and you swing if it’s high in the zone.
End of story.
Can we please stop saying Wang doesn’t look terrible? Seriously, I’m all for being positive, but there is absolutely no positive way to spin this. Tonight, he is not pitching well.
One word summarizes every Yankee fan in this Red Sox series this season.
Frustrated.
3 runs down, why are you guys so mad this offense can’t hit unless its the 7th inning or later.
I would trade Arod for Melvin Mora.
Wang hasn’t been instilling much confidence in me since his return…to the rotation.
Matt – where did gameday have that ball that just bounced at 59 feet? are our eyes that bad?
This team is back to putting me in a bad mood.
I’m through defending Wang. He needs to be disabled, send him down and let him try and find himself in the minors. This is beyond ridiculous.
My biggest nightmare is we’ll see Jose Veras tonight
Looking at 0 – 7. Wow, this is Kafka-esque.
Do we have to go down 7-1 before we get Wang out of there? This is a JOKE.
Nick Swisher was very clearly bunting for a hit, Pete… Are you WATCHING this game, or closing your eyes and using the force???
Stultus Magnus
June 10th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Erica, nothing weird has happened, at least in my book. I want weird, where’s the weird?
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One of these innings there will be a massive Yankee spark, and some sort of fireworks. I don’t care what the score is right now. The Yankees will win this game.
Or maybe Mrs. Wang will just give birth to little baby Wonder Wang on the field
This should be an interesting inning for Wang. Hopefully he can start locating his sinker. Just hope Girardi lets him get the work in.
You really have no clue helno. You only resort to name calling because you have NOTHING productive to contribute.
Wang’s pitches are moving like crazy tonight. Nobody could possibly call balls and strikes from the center field camera. You are judging it on where Posada catches it, but the pitch is dropping a foot before it gets to his glove.
You are looking for any reason to BASH Wang. He could throw a shutout and you’d still criticize him for walking a few hitters.
How about the game where Hughes threw pitches RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE that were called balls against the Sox in May? I guess that was his fault too? I guess if the umpire calls the pitch down the middle a ball it must be a ball!
I’d trust Gameday a hell of a lot more than I’d trust your naked eye from the zoomed out centerfield camera.
That what happen when you don’t look at the scouting report.
Mike Lowell have a habit of chasing first pitch fast ball……
Sit down, Ortiz!
Wang is looking like …(gulp) …. Kei Igawa
I guess Ortiz forgot his “protein shake today”.
Anyone still think Wang is a better starter than Hughes?
matt was the ball that was just hit 410 feet by a 200 hitter hit hard?
oh thank god, 2 homers to Ortiz would be unbearable
If Ortiz picked up his 4th home run, 2 of them against the Yankees I would’ve cried.
And LOL at the standing ovation. ROFL
This is an improvement for Wang. But not enough of an improvement to throw him out there every 5 days. His pitches are not consistent enough to continue to get people out. He is a shell of what he needs to be to help them win right now.
Thank god that was in the deepest part of the park, but still was hit HARD
Well Yankee fans, whatever can go worng will go wrong. That’s me.
This is pathetic. I’m done with Wang. He is finished. Why is Hughes not out there? Does Girardi WANT to lose?
There is one upside everyone has seemed to be overlooking……… This is a 3 game series, not a 4 game series…..
They are giving him an ovation? Are you kidding me?
“DONNIE – how dare you CHALLENGE GAMEDAY. THAT IS unacceptable. MATT WILL BE outraged that you are INSULTING HIS creation. I THINK THE WAY the hierarchy works IS THAT GAMEDAY is slightly more INFALLIBLE than god.”
1.) I see what you did there.
2.) I laughed out loud at that. 5 stars, my friend.
Ortiz gets a standing O? Wow, Boston fans are really dumb. These games are brutal.
the CMW experiment is over- I dont care if he cured cancer the past 2 seasons. This guy is simply no longer a MLB starter and the yankees can no longer afford to keep sending him out there. Get Hughes back in the rotation and lets move on with this guy. Enough is enough.
“The Yankees will win this game.”
That’s the weird part?
It saddens me to see Fenway support Ortiz like this. Why must Yankee fans kill Alex?
God are the commentary guys desperate for Ortiz to come good or what?
You know what they call sinkers that don’t sink?
HOME RUNS.
Came into the game with an ERA of 14+ and so far it has gone UP.
This is a major step back for Wang. He can’t throw strikes and is getting hammered.
I wish he would stop throwing pitches right down the middle.
Wang pitches scared against this team and this ballpark
Matt where did gameday have that homer? was it not really a homer? was it an out that the evil umps and centerfield camera made seem like a rocket homer?
CB, I’m with you. I’m tired of Swisher for the moment – he’s a LOUSY defensive player for one and bunting in the first was monumentally stupid. That was the most embarrassing play (the non-catch) I’ve ever seen – inexcusable and I almost wish he could be pulled for that.
That said, the Yankees have reverted back to their early-season form of pathetic at -bats with RISP. They have made lots of errors recently and also run the bases like they had their heads up their behinds. They won some recent games because the other team played worse….now they are up against a better team, a team that doesn’t make mistakes like this.
Finally Phil warming up.
Wang is pitching ok. Outside of the Lowell, fenway fly ball dinger, he’s looked pretty good.
It’s early, they’ll get to Wake and the bullpen tonight.
Hughes warming up.
it’s only 4-1. get chien-ming wAAAng out of the game please so we have a trying chance.
Every Red Sox player is in the dugout chomping at the bit to get to the plate to hit against Wang.
Serf, me to ROTFLMAO at those jerks giving a standing O for a deep fly out..
Pat,
you are the epitome of a bum (Cesar Crespo…Nick green.)
He cannot control where the pitch goes. The point of baseball is to score runs while not committing outs. Therefore, you take all of his pitches.
End of Story.
Hughes up in the Pen. Kay says he may come in for the 4th.
If that’s the case, GET HIM IN THERE NOW WHILE ITS STILL A GAME WE CAN WIN!
missed the swisher miss catch, was it a easy play?????
nice baserunning by swisher on the DP. the clutch hitting continues.
arod is in a funk at the plate and in the filed. his 1st inning play or lack of play was terrible.
Thank goodness we bring in Hughes when the game is out of reach.
His sinker is not sinking anymore. So he is basically throwing a 92 mph fastball right down the middle. They are just teeing off on him…
there is going to come a time where wang is back in the pen and hughes is starting. cant afford to keep sending this out there, no matter what the reason is for why he is pitching like this now.
i just threw up in my mouth a little..
Nice to see Hughes, but put him in a mop-up situation? Rather he had a lead to work with.. I can’t bear to watch Wang anymore tonight.. He is a lost puppy out there!
any idiot who thinks Gameday is more accurate than actually WATCHING the game is a lost a cause.
Besides the 4 walks & 1 bomb, Wang’s been great
We won’t win. Next time we get runners in scoring position we’ll hit another line drive at someone, or someone will make a diving catch and start a specatcular double play, as always.
Yankees = medicine for Big Sloppy
“It saddens me to see Fenway support Ortiz like this. Why must Yankee fans kill Alex?”
Two rings.
It would be nice to have a starter that gives your team a chance to win….goodbye Wang, hello Hughes…Hughes earned the right to stay in the rotation in the first place…I guess we’ll wait till August to maybe finally win a series against the Sux
“One of these innings there will be a massive Yankee spark, and some sort of fireworks. I don’t care what the score is right now. The Yankees will win this game.”
Yep.
And hopefully the “Yankees suck” chant will fire up some of the Yankee players…
Thank you Donnie…I am trying to make sure at least a few people laugh during this nonsense at something other than Matts pure insanity.
Only 2 balls have been hit hard by the Sox tonight.
Stultus Magnus
June 10th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
“The Yankees will win this game.”
That’s the weird part?
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I think the truly weird part will be how all the negativity on the blog disappears when this amazing Yankee comeback transpires
I’m very very down on Wang.
I can already hear the pre-canned excuses by Girardi that he was distracted because of his wife.
If that’s the damn case then don’t take the hill.
He’s shown me nothing this season.
All we do is make excuses for him again and again but he’s soft to me. He’s just soft and I don’t feel like he can be counted on for anything.
I know this sounds reactionary and all that, but I haven’t felt confident about a Wang start since the 1st half of 2007.
I don’t think he’s all that confident either.
Carl –
What has Papi brought to Boston?
To World Championships.
Yankees have had many opportunities in the playoffs with Arod and he had a Joe Nathan double to his credit.
so Swisher jumps into the stands on this one, but doesn’t try for the one that he should have had???
Swisher trying to make it up there. Almost kills himself.
Swisher trying to make up for before but uhh…no.
Cano has some of the worst at bats with RISP. It at times looks like he goes up there with no plan. Just swing at what ever the pitcher throws him.
You guys will say anything you want to prove your point, rather than actually looking at the evidence. You’re mad that Wang dare walked a hitter or dare gave up a run, and you’ll say anything you want to prove your point.
Until you actually look at the Gameday of his first inning, nothing you say has any power behind it.
A guy could throw 15 pitches right at the knees down the middle at 95 with ridiculous movement, but just because the umpire calls them all balls, it doesn’t mean he’s pitching poorly. He’s pitching very well but getting squeezed, and that’s what has happened to Wang.
You’ll nit pick all you ant because you’re insane, but there have been only 2 hard hit balls all night. The double, and the home run. That’s it.
And guess what? If the umpire has a strike zone bigger than 4 square inches or his fielders make routine plays, he is sitting on 2 runs right now, more than fine.
Great effort Swish! Even if A-Rod got us a ring he would still get no support.
And Swisher channels his inner Derek Jeter…..
Swish, you don’t have to make up for earlier mistakes by killing yourself…
a little unneccessary swish…good effort i think
Don’t worry blog, I’m just a really annoyed fan using the blog to vent. You can pretend I’m not here. When (or if) the Yankees make a comeback I’ll leave.
Do you think Matt goes into work and is like “hey boss besides coming in late 3 times this week and not finishing any of my work I think Ive had a helluva week”
Matt- you are hands down the most REATRDED poster in this place. Always have been, always will be.
I have no idea why Dave Eiland hasn’t figured out that Wang’s release point is screwed up. Quick comparison using two charts from pitchf/x:
http://i39.tinypic.com/v7sd4x.png
The red circle is his April 11, 2008 start at Fenway; the black circle is today.
Now, a slight adjustment might be intended, but overall his mechanics are clearly out of whack.
Wang currently has no place on this team until his mechanics are corrected.
did they spit on Swish? lol
how’s the game outta reach if we’re down 4-1 in the 3rd? Wang with his 3rd SO.
Wang is not getting squeezed, if you watched the actual game you’d know the balls aren’t even close.
Wangs baby is probably 18 years old now with all the time he takes between each pitch.
Good bye Wang
Is it asking too much for a Yankee pitcher to not give up a run in every inning?
HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGES
Arod – great player in non pressure situations against bad teams.
Arod – worst clutch in big games
Arod – great player in non pressure situations against bad teams.
Arod – worst clutch in big games
Nick Geen superstar———-have a seat you scrub
They won some recent games because the other team played worse….now they are up against a better team, a team that doesn’t make mistakes like this.
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Don’t you think you might be overreacting a bit there?
matt – by your analysis the 410 foot fly ball by ortiz was not hit hard or that hard ground ball single up the middle.
If they come back to win this game, great.
That changes nothing with regards to Wang. He’s NOT the CMW from 2006, 2007 and first half of 2008 and we CANNOT waste a game every 5 days trying to get him back there.
Finally!
2 2/3 IP, 6 H, a gazillion walks and 4 ER. 13.5 ERA for the day.
Matt…Girardi must not have been watching the same game you have. Wang just got the hook…THANK GOD!!
“Every Red Sox player is in the dugout chomping at the bit to get to the plate to hit against Wang.”
Yeah Scott, every one.
YAWN!
Man I really feel bad for Wang. On what should be the happiest day of his life he has to leave with his head down.
I’m still rooting for you Wang!
For the second straight game neither starting pitcher gets out of the third inning.
Got to pitch better then that.
To think they called Wang our ace at one point.
“I think the truly weird part will be how all the negativity on the blog disappears when this amazing Yankee comeback transpires”
That would be weird, but not exciting weird, not “I’m-glad-I-saw-that” weird.
Ortiz gets more love from his home crowd than A-Rod because a) he’s not a phoney b) he’s hit in the playoffs when it counts
just for starters…
i feel so unbelievably bad for wang…he is not right…he is healthy but he is not ready to pitch apparently…he looks so dejected and he might miss the birth of his child…and if this was at the stadium he would be booed endlessly…you gotta feel for the guy
matt is clearly only watching on the computer. turn on the tv.
They better keep an eye on Wang….Don’t let him near any high rise windows……
less effort by swish and how about using more brain.. nice baserunning MORON..
the cheap infiled hit that arod gave up on and the baserunning stupidity by swisher hurts……………..
why take wang out now.. 2 outs, he just struck the guy out and kotteras is up????????
now that’s what Boras would call a ‘Quality Start’
OMG !!!! Nick Green, Yankee Killer struck out !!!
I don’t know what the other options were, but starting 200 CMW tonight had bad idea jeans written all over it
give wang time to get his groove back. yea he not doing well,but he got the stuff , just have to be patirnce. sox fans showimg ortiz love, yet he struggling patience
sigh. Wang cant get right if he’s getting pulled @ 69. he looked better as the game went on. I’m pleased with his work after the 1st. he looked a lot better there.
Trish writing “YAWN!”
Yawn
Why don’t they move CMW back to the bullpen. He pitched just as good as every else out there and put Hughes back in the rotation. Regardless of whether CMW says hes a starter or not, he has to be willing to do what helps the team win. And being in the bullpen is better than being DFA.
This is a personal soapbox of mine: A-Rod is no more or less clutch than anybody else. If you want tobring out the hitless this series talk you have to say the same about Jeter.
Wang’s work is done now…
Girardi makes a wise move…
Hughes will prevail here…
I also want to say that Ive killed Pete for what I thought was his blind support of Wang but I give him credit for admitting that this is a disaster. At this point I think wang might come back next year and be good with a proper offseason workout plan and such. But for this year Id be surprised if he is more than just a bullpen guy.
“Anyone still think Wang is a better starter than Hughes?”
Yes.
Trish..make sure you cover your mouth when you Yawn please. Only polite. Thanks!
Alright, look. I’m not pleased with the way Wang is pitching, either. He’s been brutal this game, and wasn’t really good last game, either.
But if I read another person suggest that he be sent to the minors, I am going to scream.
He cannot be sent to the minors. They are not going to create a problem, as that is not legal, and if they are called on it, could have action taken against them.
Historically, he has generally always been pretty poor against Boston. I am not excusing his performance. I’m actually fairly disgusted right now. But the fact of the matter is, there isn’t a damn thing they can do about it. My guess is, he gets back to full strength, throwing 100 pitches a game. If he’s still bad then, I’d venture to say they put him in the bullpen, as he wasn’t all THAT bad coming out of the pen, shift Hughes in to the rotation, and bid him luck on his future endeavors when his contract is up.
We’re all disappointed with how badly he’s pitched. But seriously, be realistic in what you want them to do about it.
“did they spit on Swish? lol”
I hope not, he’s been one of their best players this game.
Phil lets do it!
June 10th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Pat,
you are the epitome of a bum (Cesar Crespo…Nick green.)
He cannot control where the pitch goes. The point of baseball is to score runs while not committing outs. Therefore, you take all of his pitches.
End of Story.
I am reposting this because I demand a response of “you’re right.”
and ofcourse unless hughes no hits the sox for the rest of the game he is a bust and sucks right? im sure that will be prevalent here
feel bad for wang… give me a break, he thinks he can start, then I have an idea..PROVE IT………
PROVE IT………..
So will the Veal Francesa still want a rotation of CC AJ Andy Hughes and Wang tomorrow with Joba in the 8th, or will he want Tomko taking Wang’s spot in the rotation?
This is just another example why Joba is a starter.
I’m not saying Gameday is more accurate than the game itself, I’m saying that nobody could POSSIBLY judge balls and strikes on the broadcast with the kind of movement Wang has on his pitches.
How many times have you seen a catcher get a pitch where it looks like it’s way out of the zone, and they show the side view and it’s actually crossing HOME PLATE at the knees?
You have no clue where it’s crossing home plate watching the game. You can’t tell whatsoever because of the movement on his pitches. Gameday is incredibly accurate, it’s the same technology that they use to track the umpires and that scouts use to chart pitchers.
Just because it dares dissent with your viewpoint, it doesn’t mean it’s ridiculous and wrong. You people will put down any opinion that doesn’t agree with YOURS.
Behavior like that is why the world is in the condition it is right now. People will shut down any idea that they don’t like, even if it’s better than theirs. Why do you think we continued to ignore all the signs of a recession? Because nobody wanted to give up their OWN ridiculously insane salaries, which everyone BUT them knew was out of hand.
Stultus-
I would gladly wave my magic wand and cause eye-popping weirdness for you, but sadly I do not have that power (I kind fo wish I did though). All I can say is that I feel crazy in the air today and I think it’s following to this game.
Glad Wang is out, I don’t care how much “better” he was doing, he was getting lit up, you keep him in you risk MOTS.
Believe it or not, I think Wang deserves another start. He showed some quality stuff tonight.
Donnie…well put.
There are definitely some positives from Wang, but it’s still sad that he couldn’t piece together a decent start.
wHY isnt wang in the minors right now – he is looking terrible. He would be more help if he went to see his wife. God awful.
On that same note, why isnt hughes in the rotation? They are destroying his development by pitching him one inning a bunch of games. Either send wang down and start him or send hughes down but this situation is idiotic.
Why did dave ortiz just get a standing O? mike the moron franscesa killed the yankees fans last series for giving joba a standing O after he struck out a ton of sox in only a few innings and didnt pitch a stellar game overall based on the numbers. Now, ortiz gets a standing O for flying out to deep center. I BET mike doesnt even bring it up tomorrow. He might as well just admit that he no longer is a yankees fan at this point.
didnt see that wang wouldnt look at girardi. joe had to step in front of him. i do really hope wang gets it together.
hughes with some nice moss growing down his neck
Also about 2 weeks ago the moron on WFAN still wanted Jawba in the pen because we could just start hughes and CMW. how would that be going if he had followed his stupid advice?
This ump is obviously from boston
“I will lose my mind if Wang starts another game…”
how will you tell the difference?
I feel for Wang.
The bals weren’t close to the strike zone Matt. They never started in, never ended in.
“I have no idea why Dave Eiland hasn’t figured out that Wang’s release point is screwed up. Quick comparison using two charts from pitchf/x:
http://i39.tinypic.com/v7sd4x.png”
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.c.....wangs-spin
You guys will say anything you want to prove your point, rather than actually looking at the evidence. You’re mad that Wang dare walked a hitter or dare gave up a run, and you’ll say anything you want to prove your point.
Until you actually look at the Gameday of his first inning, nothing you say has any power behind it.
A guy could throw 15 pitches right at the knees down the middle at 95 with ridiculous movement, but just because the umpire calls them all balls, it doesn’t mean he’s pitching poorly. He’s pitching very well but getting squeezed, and that’s what has happened to Wang.
You’ll nit pick all you ant because you’re insane, but there have been only 2 hard hit balls all night. The double, and the home run. That’s it.
And guess what? If the umpire has a strike zone bigger than 4 square inches or his fielders make routine plays, he is sitting on 2 runs right now, more than fine.
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too bad gameday is not the ump
If we had a knuckleballer, the Red Sox would never take the bat off their shoulders. It would be walk after walk after HBP after walk.
balk= more evidence of weirdness
Girardi: Wangie looked good… Swishie looked good…Cokie looked good….Veras looked good….
Matt – you’re delusional. Wang is awful.
Matt – you’re delusional. Wang is awful.
Wow, six months (six months after an injury, no less) of not putting up the kind of starts he has for the last 2 years is all it takes for people to turn on Wang and decide he’s beyond recovery?
Wow. I don’t get that at all.
Balk by Hughes. Let the “Hughes is a bust” bandwagon start.
“All I can say is that I feel crazy in the air today and I think it’s following to this game.”
Gotcha, I’ll be looking for it.
They might have to do to Wang what the Jays did to Halladay. Send him to Tampa and redo all of his mechanics and get him back to where he needs to be. With 1 pitch he needs to be 100% and he clearly is not.
I understand the need to get Wang out of there…but not sure why we bring Hughes in with 2 outs since he is a starter? And has a good possibility to start the next time out.
Um, no helno. i posted it before those balls were hit. How could you possibly expect me to post about hits that happened AFTER I posted?
That’s just ridiculous. And you’re criticizing me, jeez.
oh hey Nick.
With the off day on Monday, the Yankees can skip Wang until June 20th. I am sure they will at least do that if not take him out of the rotation for Phil.
2 bad plays by Swisher. Keep your head in the game!
Scott I think I’d be better off covering my eyes when you post.
Magnus – Zzzzzzzzzzz
Pete…. Swish bunted to try and get a runner to 3rd with one out…but we can’t sac fly someone home for our life…our offense is just weird, not good with 2 outs, becoming too dependent on the homer….the Red Sox offense is solid….hate to say this but Sox remind me of the 98-00 Yankees the way they situation hit with RISP…Wang is awful, may have ruined another game for us…..but I saw this start tonight coming during the game vs. Texas, he just doesn’t have it and needs to go back to the minors with some injury or something…he never should have started for us in Boston……he needs to go out of sight for a while and then maybe come back and be a pen guy in July…
Hughes!!!!!!
I feel for Wang too. I hope he can find his way back.
Now we have to hear Matts take on the economic situation now? Im sure Matt is highly qualified to speak on the topic. I bet he watched 30 whole minutes of MSNBC to catch up onn all the facts.
good curve Phranchise. Wang has to get work, plain and simple. Lose the battle, win the war.
Fire Michael Kay:-
How about you hold your breath until you hear that then?
lets go bats!
RalphieD (OPPC all day)
June 10th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
balk= more evidence of weirdness
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I appreciate the support here Ralphie. I am very good at sniffing out crazy. LOL
I am with you here, Matt. I think Wang’s stuff is ok tonight.
Let’s hope Hughes will do well tonight~~
PS. Can ppl stop complaining………
come on phranchise
Ironically, one of the best moves Cashman ever made was not breaking practice and signing Wang long-term. Hate to say it but this guy is mentally crushed. The good news is that players such as Greinke have proven that you can come back from serious mental deficiencies
I liked the original starters for this series: CC Hughes Joba
Too bad for last Friday’s rain out.
Now only if our hitters have some professional ABs against Wakefield.
Wang is awful he should of never been put in the starting rotation. He was good in the bullpen he is no longer a starting pitcher.
Finally we get to see a real pitcher
HUGHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rachel,
Wang has no options and he’s not injured. If he needs to fix mechanics, it has to be up here.
Pete- couple of things (just scrolled up to read your earlier posts)
a) who complains when a guy gets a bunt hit against a knuckleballer where he would at the very least get the runner over to second…and the umps didn’t miss the call youks foot was off the bag
b) how exactly does bringing a starter into the game with a man on base mess with his arm?
wang is not in the minors because he cant be…………..
you ever here of options?????????????????????
They cannot afford to put up with Wangs growing pains or need to figure things out. He needs to pitch better or THE END….
this cannot go on for 5 more starts… he looked better then the first 3 starts, got some bad luck, but he still needs to be a lot better.. bottom line..
I feel like I’m watching the ALDS of recent years… our starting pitchers get hammered and can’t even make it out of the 3rd inning, giving the team no chance to win
I have to throw in with the “Wang was rough” crowd tonight.
For fun, go to any gameday thread on the blog and do a find in the comments for the word “squeeze”… apparently umps squeeze the Yankee starter almost every night. Funny how that works, huh?
start chipping away
Gardner should of been in center and Melky in right. Fenway right field is a tough field to play. Also if Gardner got on baseball he can run crazy on Wakefield.
Let Wang start against the Nationals in the pitchers ballpark if he cant shutdown the AAA nationals with Adam D. and Zimmerman then he is screwed.
Trish…feel free.
Fire Michael Kay
Being insulting ends the conversation. End of response.
I hope Wang finds his way back…. He can turn towards the Bronx & start walking now..
yeah that bunt hit by swisher, pete forgot to tell you was a hit.
the problem was swisher running the bases with a terrible obvious stupid blunder……that is a mind issue……….
Wang always bombed in the playoffs anyway so this can’t be much of a surprise that he stinks now.
Keep him in the pen for mop up duty.
FMK
You are right.
Yeah helno, criticizing me rather than actually refuting my point makes you look so brilliant.
If you don’t like what I have to say, then use some EVIDENCE to argue against it. If you are just going to try to toss out personal insults, then don’t bother.
You have posted nothing on this blog other than personal attacks on other posters.
>The Yankees might want to have Ron Guidry come in and take a look.
>He had a good rapport with Wang for whatever reason.
Not Ron Guidry– Neil Allen. Ad nauseum.
wow. well the pitching won’t matter if we cannot score.
Now Jorge swings at a ball that was head level…ouch
Awful swing by Posada. That was over his head!
If the ball is high, swing at it. LOL Good swing Georgie!!
How about we talk about the fact that we got 2 hit shutout last night, and have 1 run against Wakefield while chasing pitches nowhere close to the zone?
1st and 3rd, no outs, and we didn’t even score ONE out of that spot. The offense is what’s really the problem.
Who cares if our pitchers give up 4 or 40 if we can’t score a run?
Now the Yankee offense will go into hiding!
this looks so bad.
Pete, re: messing with his arm, I suspect Joe was bringing Hughes in that inning no matter what once he started warming him up, so it didn’t really matter. And I suspect he’ll be back in the rotation next turn.
Where did our offense go?
How sure are you, Jeff? You think skipping him will help Wang build up his strength and improve his stuff?
sorry, runner over FROM second
Wang has no options. He hasn’t had them for years. You people really don’t know what you’re talking about. How about you do a little research before you flip out and say extreme stuff?
It seems that the Yankees now have an inferiority complex when facing the Sux.
” Hate to say it but this guy is mentally crushed. The good news is that players such as Greinke have proven that you can come back from serious mental deficiencies”
mentally crushed?
i love hearing people who have never had the ability to step between the lines talk about mental toughness.
Boston and the Mets winning again? Hell for a Yankee fan up to this point.
sutcliffe sucks so bad!
he laughs at everything he says, it is the worst annoucing i have heard other than jon miller.
Angel, you have to understand the mentality of the crybaby to understand some of the posters here. You have a bunch of posters who spin out of control from the first inning on, so you can hardly expect that ilk to be able to put their panic aside long enough to factor in some shaky defense behind Wang and understand that Wang is still working his way back and that they should actually appreciate that Wang was able to get those strikeouts since that bodes well for his progress.
Instead they feel fulfilled complaining bitterly and not understanding the concept of progress because anything short of a no hitter throws them right off.
Sickening isn’t it?
Matt Im not aruging economics on a baseball blog. Also Ive made a ton of good and even some funny points but you arent going to get them because you are in love with Wang. Thats fine. Everyone has their delusions yours is just Wang.
Dear Yankees-
Please start scoring runs now. Please
Thank you
Where did our offense go?_
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Its not the 7th inning yet, Yankees are allergic to scoring early.
We need to show more patience against Wakefield. He can’t throw a ton of strikes.
Regarding Wang – if he were the CMW from 2006, 2007 we could use him. If he’s going to pitch to a 10+ ERA, we can’t. And we can’t give away game after game trying to “get him right” when we could realistically win those games by starting Hughes.
If we were starting Karstens or Ponson…that’d be different…but we have someone who is potentially good waiting in the wings. We can’t keep doing this with Wang.
Matt – now you’re making some sense
It’s sad that I have to mention this yet again. But some people who try to comment on this blog lack intelligence.
Just because the Yankees are losing and you upset doesn’t mean you can use obscene word, crude terms, racist language, etc. when you post. If you are incapable of expressinh yourself otherwise, do society a favor and go play in traffic. Just don’t post here.
Thanks.
Maybe I’m way off, but I really feel that the problem is Dave Eiland. It’s not just Wang who seems totally off — it’s also Burnett and countless others in the pen. I agree that a few of the people in the latter category are just garbage (i.e., Veras), but it’s the job of a pitching coach to figure out mechanical flaws and to fix them.
pat
That’s not an insult. I’d love to be Nick Green. The guy has been a bum everywhere he’s been, goes to the red sox, then suddenly understands how to take pitches, foul pitches off to keep at bats alive, put balls in play to avoid strikeouts, etc.
On the side of cheerful news, Pavano just gave up a grand slam and is losing to punchless Kansas City 9-0.
Swish – some retribution here buddy – c’mon now…
trisha-
Nice to see that there are many level headed fans here as well.
“They might have to do to Wang what the Jays did to Halladay. Send him to Tampa and redo all of his mechanics and get him back to where he needs to be.”
That’s not necessary now. That was the fear his first three starts but not now.
They need to DL wang again and just have him throw a ton of innings in extended spring training and then spend a full 30 days in AAA.
That’s it.
In no way do they need to break him down and build him up today.
Wang got lit up the first three games because his ball had no sink. He wasn’t walking guys – he was throwing strikes but he had no movement.
Tonight was the exact opposite – he had too much movement. His ball was kept falling downwards out of the zone. His problem tonight wasn’t movement it was command.
Wang tonight looks like pitchers do in spring training. Alex looks that way up at the plate. With a hitter you can hide that. With a pitcher you can’t.
Wang is going to be fine. He just needs to build up strength in his legs and arms.
Just like last game his stuff took a nose dive after the threw 50-60 pitches. After he his that 55 pitch mark he started leaving balls up in the zone and that’s when he gave up the HR to Lowell and fly ball to Ortiz.
Girardi absolutely made the right move taking him out then – he probably should have taken him out earlier.
John Lackey is coming back from injury and he’s getting lit up for the angels. He’s been terrible for the angels since returning to the majors.
Do you send Lackey to A ball and write him off?
Maybe the problem is in Wang’s head, and Eiland can’t fix that…
I am sure they can put him back on the DL with the hip problem or whatever it was called that they put him on the DL for last time. Winning games is more important then losing every 5th day while Wang tries to find himself. Hughes gives them the better chance right now and he deserves to be out there instead of Wang.
Umm, mentally crushed?
Except for a few people, the comments section of this blog is not the place I’d go to find people who know anything about mental toughness.
I realize Matsui is 1-1 with a walk but…
Why isn’t Gardner playing tonight? Matsui was in an 0-16 funk. Gardner’s slap style is probably better against the knuckleball and he’d run WILD on Wakefield.
Wow not a strike to Swisher on 3-1
that was a ball
Also, does anyone remember when cashman the brilliant had a choice between igawa and lilly as they were both a free agent at the same time and their asking prices were quite similar when the posting fee was added into the total and cash with all his genius chose igawa because his price wasnt included in the luxury tax while lilly’s was.
This is the price the yanks payed for being cheap and for letting cash be our GM even though he is a dud –
Lilly 2007 – 207 innings, 15 and 8, 3.83 era 1.14 whip
Igawa 2007 – 67 innings, 2 and 3, 6.25 era 1.67 whip
Lilly 2008 – 204 innings, 17 and 9, 4.09 era, 1.23 whip
Igawa 2008 – only 4 innings in the majors, 156 innings with a 3.45 era in Scranton
Lilly 2009 – 78 innings, 7 and 4, 3.00 era, 1.051 whip
Igawa 2009 – 63 innings in scranton and has yet to pitch in the majors
Now, I was a HUGE proponent of signing lilly as I thought the luxury tax was well worth it to get a guy with a much more proven track record and some experience in NY but of course, the yanks decided to form their plans as a knee jerk reaction to the sox acting like a little girl who mean older sister stole her favorite toy. And that sums up Brian cashmans career pretty much – he can make the no-brainers but when it comes to the smart plays and trying to access value he is seemingly clueless. Having igawa instead of lilly may very well be the reason we have not made it past the division series in a few years now.
anyone realize espn never shows the clear balls called strikes against the yankees on k zone?
Melky take some pitches here now
“i love hearing people who have never had the ability to step between the lines talk about mental toughness.”
Randy if there’s one thing we’ve learned it’s that mental toughness is not prevalent on this forum.
looks like Wakefield losing it now, and Sawx pen isn’t all that!
A bloop and a blast, please…
Let’s get a hit with these runners on for once..
lets go “pepsi clutch player of the month”
I don’t think Wang’s head is the problem. I think he was rushed back because Yankee management panicked and it backfired. I think he should have remained on the DL. The Yankee mgmt really needs to think about the mess it made. They should sit in the corner while they do it.
Mr.Clutch delivers!
4-2
Nice job Milk man
melkman delivers!
LOL @ Randy. You’re on fire tonight!
I think everyone needs to read and “accept” CB’s post on Wang before accessing this website. The important, significant things, were there – velocity and movement. The things that will come around with more work weren’t – location and command.
Melky!
Good job by Matsui to score on that.
yes Melky! come on, we can do this!
yes!!!!!!!!!!!! A hit with runners on…keep it going guys…
I am calling a jeter 3 run homerun right here.
Oh look at that – two runs.
Contrary to popular belief, the sky isn’t falling.
That’s what happens when your second baseman is 2 feet tall.
Get him some heels.
Bat Melky 4th lol
Wang was never an ace, a #3 starter at best…and he was terrible in the playoffs…AROD has regressed, too much thinking, swinging at bad pitches, swing does not look right…..Teixeira is our best player, hands down, pitchers will continue to pitch around him to get to AROD like Beckett did last night…..if some people on this blog feel we complain too much, well we are fans and do not like the possibility of going to 0-7 vs. the Sox, plus Wang should never have started this game, that was an easy call…..
I remain a believer in Wang.
I think someone, Eiland Girardi, Nadi Contreras…has to find some small flaw in his mechanics and he will come back.
What I don’t understand is how he looked really good out of the pen.
Maybe he has to work his flaws out from the pen??
Okay- did anyone notice the walking started when Swisher was up and I asked very nicely for runs??? If all else fails, you should always try politeness
good thing Dustin’s not 5 foot 5!!
Wow what a disaster this game is.
It’s 4-2 in the 4th inning of a game in Fenway park with Tim Wakefield on the mound.
Shutter to think. What a deficit. All is lost…
Wakefield’s back looks like it’s bothering him. His posture coming out of his windup looks like he’s favoring it.
Please can someone make Eckersley shut up??
I’m seriously thinking about watching the game w/o sound.
Melky gets it done…
Momentum will shift again…
Pinstripes will regroup…
Well, at least it would get one less start for Wang, but the Yankees aren’t trying to avoid him (yet), they are trying to get him going. Also, those games are in NL parks, so that will be their excuse for not using Wang, you know, the we don’t want him to run excuse.
oh, i forgot, nick green also somehow learned how to go to the opposite field.
STOP. FIRST. PITCH. SWINGING.
Geez, Derek, got somewhere to be?
When the score is 4-1 and you score a run you don’t cut the lead in half. Kay is an idiot.
damn i was wrong, is it me or is jeter taking absolutely no pitches anymore?
Way to swing at the first pitch with a guy having trouble finding the zone, Jeter….sigh…
Jeter has looked lost all night.
Note to Derek:
When you fail, please don’t smile.
Jeter…Just to think a couple of days ago we were debating about the bunt in the 5th inning.
“good thing Dustin’s not 5 foot 5!!good thing Dustin’s not 5 foot 5!!good thing Dustin’s not 5 foot 5!!”
LOL
Excellent point. That could have been a DP!
What do you expect Wang to do? They screwed him by not letting him get truly prepared to start in the minor leagues when he was coming off his DL stint in a panic move.
They used him for 2 inning stints out of the pen and never let him build up arm strength. Now he doesn’t have enough arm strength to go more than 65-70 pitches and since they are not letting him build up his pitch count, what do you think will happen the next time out?
The Yankees blew it, plain and simple. Wang has had decent stuff in these games, but with them jerking him around so much (yes, I know how that sounds…), he has no chance!
The guy is so frustrated from his performance and the organization continues to give him no chance to get back to his normal self. They are pulling him early in games, not letting him build up his pitch counts, and using him erratically when they call him up from the pen. What do you expect?
please walk damon for tex
man derek, brutal-
Come on Johnny, get one here for Torre-
Jeter you know better, the man cant throw strikes this inning. Come ON!!!
“In no way do they need to break him down and build him up today.”
Ok so maybe they don’t have to redo his mechanics. But he needs to get more starts in the minors until he is right.
CB my only question would be how do you DL Wang this time around? I agree with your analysis as Wang cannot recover up in the big leagues as it will overwork our bullpen and it will put us behind the eight ball right away in the game. I feel for Wang, but he can not rehab in the majors as that is what the minors are for.
For those who are delusional defending Wang. You’re looking for some good in his performance. I get it. I am a Wang fan but he has not pitched well and he did not do so this evening. Pitchers are allowed to have bad starts but to keep running Wang out there when he is obviously not the same is not the answer. Let him pitch more in relief until you are sure that he can provide some quality innings. I feel much more comfortable with Hughes in the rotation at this juncture.
Here’s hoping Johnny extends the inning for Tex to do his thing.
game is on ESPH HD, no need to listen to Eck the idiot on NESN….
CB
The game is not lost or a disaster. The idea of starting Wang to get him right at the potential cost of losing this game was a disaster.
No such thing as a safe lead in Fenway.
Matt-
I agree with you. They panicked when Hughes and Joba struggled and called up Wang before he was strong enough.
Everyone should read the chapter in Torre’s book on Damon.
Not very nice stuff in there.
Johnny should be pissed.
Wakefield is really amazing, when you think about what he’s done
CB, thank you for being a voice of reason re: Wang. Matt, for the record i’m with you about Wang’s command. He just needs to keep working. I’m not happy about the stats, but im happy with the stuff i saw tonight.
That was a ball.
that wasnt anywhere near a strike
Matt are you kidding. we cannot keep losing to boston. there is a new energy with hughes coming in. we cannot keep letting wang work it out mid game. as much as we all want wang to get back to normal, we want to win now.
BAD CALL on last pitch.
I have Torre’s book, I will read that chapter after the game…I’m only in Chapter 2, but I will skip
Fail
AJ was allowed to pitch balls through out the game. So “How much longer can the Yankees tolerate this from Wang? He can’t throw a strike and when he does, it gets hit.” is an fair question? And Wang was bad in the game, but he sent 3 Ks to Boston too. But to bring Hughes in after he struck out Green. I just don’t under stand.
shocker, leaving two men on….
again.
Wang looked great in the bullpen when he only had to pitch 2 innings. Why not use him as our long reliever, and put Hughes back in the rotation? That would free Aceves up to pitch more in the 8th innings only.
I think this would make our team better for now, but obviously the huge problem is what happens when Joba and Hughes both reach their innings limit later in the season.
Also, the Yankees don’t have anyone else in the minors ready to step in if someone gets injured. Hughes was their last legitimate option.
Ugh…
If the bullpen takes over for Wakefield soon we’re screwed. 17-18 innings with just allowing 1 run for Boston.
Good call by the umpire. Stupid fool. When the Boston broadcasters tell you that the umpire called something a strike that was clearly out of the zone, believe it.
chip chip chip
Up to Hughes to keep them in the game.
what is that like 6 LOB in 4 innings??
JJ.. joe wanted wang to leave on something positive.
Where is the strike zone?
That second fastball Wakfield threw was a ball it wasn’t even close.
Keith–FL
Thanks for the heads up. I was getting tired of Eck.
Wake up guys and see reality.
They just cannot buy a hit with RISP.
What’s the real problem? The fact that they are down runs, or the fact that they can’t score runs? I’d say the latter is more pressing right now.
If you go into Fenway Park and don’t score runs, you can’t possibly expect to win. Our offense has been a joke since the Rays series and it continues into this one.
UNless they can find another injury excuse he cant go down to the minors.. i trust Veras more than Wang… and i know how much i trust Veras..
CB is dead on with Wang. The stuff is more than there, but the command isn’t. However I don’t think DLing him again is the right answer.
It’s a bad combination to have Wang work out issues in the game when we’re facing the Red Sox and are 0-6 against them. The Yankees are hitting horribly and that puts more pressure on Wang to pitch better.
If his next start is against the Nationals, HOPEFULLY our offense can do some damage and give Wang enough breathing room to relax and concentrate on working out some kinks.
Again, the movement is there. The velocity is there. The command is not. It’ll be worked out and he’ll be fine soon.
this is somewhat comical
Scott,
I totally 2nd that and I would 3rd it if I could! lol
And anyone who is defending the umpires in this series needs to watch a lot more closely. Beckett last night and now Wakefield tonight are getting some pitches many inches off the plate, while Yankees pitchers are begging for strikes on pitches right over the plate.
HEY, I know you all HATE me and I have SO MUCH to complain about but I promise to be POSITIVE tonight if someone answers a QUESTION.
Who wanted Johnny Damon off the team? The red sox or the yankees? I MISSED that part? What kind of IDIOTS wanted him off? That is so rude to have him have to hear that. THANKS!
THat’s how many men left on base?
CB – you were saying about being down 4-2?
You watching this same team?
I don’t understand the optimism some people have when we have to watch Swisher, Jeter, Arod and Cano fail with RISP repeatedly in this series.
This game should be at least 4-3.
I predict we hit Wakefield hard next inning. He had it coming just then but the blown call ruined Damon’s at bat.
Yeah Matt….you posted after he walked about 5….great movement – right out of the zone.
Got the game on Yes, NESN and ESPN in So Florida. Direct TV and baseball package and I’m choosing Yes and Kay stinks but Singleton and Flaherty make it bearable.
RS – I agree. I think Wang will not be a valuable starter this year but he has had some success in the pen. Not sure why exactly but he has. Why not let him pitch in the pen this year and then try to make him a starter next year after an offseason rehabilitation program.
Matt
Was Girardi on the mound throwing those pitches? Sure looked like Wang to me.
Fact is, Wang is NOT back to the pitcher who won 19 games back to back. Right now, he looks like Kevin Brown when Brown was 40 with a bad back. Flat, 90 MPH “Sinkers” that get crushed with regularity.
I don’t see how they can keep running him out there to “get him right” when they have a viable alternative in Hughes. We can’t just keep saying “every 5th day we will have 5 runs scored against us by the 4th inning and will just have to deal”
where was that?
mlb really needs to do something about the umping. it gets worse every year.
In my opinion, Wang should have made his first start against the Nationals…
If confidence was part of the problem, why risk starting him against lineups like Texas and Boston?
Sure, if he succeeds his confidence would get a boost, but it was a tall order to begin with, and if he did not succeed, then what?
“my only question would be how do you DL Wang this time around?”
Oh that’s easy. All you have to say is that Wang has residual weakness in this hips or legs. Soreness in his arm. Whatever.
It’s really not a stretch – he’s not right at this moment. He’s running out of gas after 50 pitches.
They can use any of those reasons to DL him.
Pete, your post at 8:18 is a fair assumption, but are you certain that this is any different than starting a game?
Does it really hurt Phil’s arm? I mean, he throws 8 innings in a game at times. What’s so bad about coming in and throwing some?
it’s raining pretty good there
The problem with Wang is that he isn’t athletic. Anyone watching him run those bases vs the Astros knows that.
He came back from his injury weak and not prepared to pitch this season. The Yankees rushed him back from AAA. He really should still be there right now working on getting his game and strength back.
I’d be very careful when Wang is a free agent, because this is a sign of what happens to Wang when his velocity drop and can’t command that sinker. He then throws a flat as a pancake fastball.
Did anyone else lose their YES signal or is it just me??
i think the yankees are going to win this one, but they are making it look real ugly at the plate.
Deborah – read the book.
Paints Damon as wanting to quit, asking out of lineups, being aloof, all of the above….
Matt,
It’s been this way for years, thats what makes our 13 straight playoff app. more special. BTW, ESPN shorted us a year on our playoff app. they said 12 yesterday.
umm – was the idea to bring wang back up all of yankees management? I love how when its a good move its brian cashman. When it is dumb, it is yankees managment. Please – blame brian cashman. Wang should have never come back here. There was NO reason to rush him back. Now, we have to pay the price once again for brian. Time for this guy to go. Actually that time hit around 3 years ago!!!!
well who cares how our pitchers pitch, if we cant score, not every team has bad bullpen that we can beat up on.
Everyone at Fenway thinks that any ball hit in the air is a homerun. It’s really annoying.
Agree or disagree. Wang is awful tonight. Does not matter if his sinker has big movement, you are awful if you can’t get the strike zone. “squeezed”? great pitcher know how to adjust, right? good sinking without command=nothing. he is still not to his old form
5 year 50 million deal for Sanchez.
Blog Poster
You should have some faith in the offense. Have you learned nothing from the last month and a half? Or do you just think what you saw yesterday is the way it always is?
Geez.
First pitch to Drew was the same spot Wakefield’s 3-1 to Damon, but let’s keep defending the home plate umpire.
would the Yankees really get Guidry to come in and check out Wang?
Mark-Cant Touch This (Milk man Rules)
June 10th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Bat Melky 4th lol
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Hey – looks like he’s getting back his LH swing.
Garcia was slated to pitch tonight, but there was a rain delay, so we’ll see. Good news is Eduardo Nunez back and got a hit.
did anyone watching espn hear the commercial annoucer say terms of sanchez deal not available but on the screen it said 5/50?
I have a hughes question. If I remember correctly last year when he was not performing well wasnt one of the issues that he couldnt see the catchers signs and they said he needed glasses or something along those lines? Did he get contacts (since he doesnt have glasses on now) or was that one of the times when the yankees were wrong or lying about injuries?
espn doesnt even try sometimes.
I consider Cashman a part of Yankee management. When I made my statement, I was speaking as a generalization
GGBG,
He was throwing 95-96 tonight with insane movement. That is not even close to the situation you just described.
He has his stuff right now, he’s just getting very unlucky. He is throwing some good pitches that aren’t getting called and his defense really let him down tonight.
Kay talking about sending Hughes down to AAA when Bruney comes back.
No way !!!!
I like Hughes’ fast in between pitches
horrible
Melky hesitated.
“Again, the movement is there. The velocity is there. The command is not. It’ll be worked out and he’ll be fine soon.”
Those are all reasonable points. My main concern is that he’s really running out of gas at 50-60 pitches.
That’s why I think he needs time in the minors.
Even tonight he looked very different in that last inning when he crossed the 55-60 pitch mark. That’s when he gave up the long fly balls.
If he’s good for throwing 50-60 pitches with his movement then it’s tough to have him get stretched out to 100 pitches in the majors.
anyone still notice that k zone only appears when boston is up and never for the yankees?
What a terrible throw…Melky should of had him at 3rd.
“Tonight was the exact opposite – he had too much movement. His ball was kept falling downwards out of the zone. His problem tonight wasn’t movement it was command.”
cb-
i saw the same thing. tonight stuff wise wang was actually impressive. 94-95 with his four seam fastball.
i’m going to throw something in about posada. when a catcher sees this kind of movement, he has to make adjustments.
you can’t keep calling for sinkers when they’re breaking out of the zone. posada didn’t hesitate to call for four seam fastballs at 3-0 and 3-1 . but why wait until then?
posada needed to call some early in the count to get ahead in the count. wang didn’t have trouble throwing four seam strikes. he had trouble throwing the sinker for strikes.
wang having his stuff back is the dark before the dawn . he’s actually close to being back.
that said , while it’s early, these games are two game swings and hughes is out there and ready to go. wang threw enough to build some more strength.
hughes coming in is the move to make.
Damn…good throw woulda beat Drew there.
TERRIBLE play by Melky. He had him out by a mile if he actually thew the ball.
Kevin in 908,
The Red Sox DL players all the time with no reason, the way Bill Beli chick lies about players on the injury list every week.
Helno51-
He did indeed need glasses. In fact, he wound up getting glasses that were so thick that the other players called them coke bottles.
He must be wearing contacts now
tex’s friend, the real frustration is that in a game like this, the last thing you want is joke for a home plate ump. Two of Damon’s pitches at least were out of the zone, but were called strikes. So that takes the play out of his hand when he has two strikes on him and instead of being able to pick his pitch he has to swing at anything close since the umpire is calling pitches that are way outside strikes. So with two runners on, Damon ends up popping up.
Bad calls are very very frustrating.
that’s ok Phil, get an IEDP, Youk can do it!
These ESPN guys make Eckersley and NESN seem a bit more objective.
There’s no reason why Drew got a triple there and Teixera didn’t get a triple before…I think. Or was CF there already?
I never have heard such NEGATIVE things about Damon. What kind of book is this? Joe Torre’s BOOK?
The reason Wang is running out of gas is because his command is way off and he’s throwing 30 pitch innings. I’d say that pitching 4 innings 25 pitches each is more tiring than going 8 innings 110-120 pitches.
The Yanks made a pretty fatal error by bringing Wang up prematurely. Wang is simply not ready to pitch in the big leagues and the Yanks need to win games. You can’t build arm strength by throwing 30, 40 pitch innings.
game.
blouses.
ok, take it back!
I HATE KEVIN YOUKILLIOUS OMG I HAVE TO GO I CANT DO THIS BYE
I really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, hate Boston.
Stop calling so many FBs Jorge.
There in our hedz
I can’t decide which is worse – this or PSD.
Quote from PSD poster:
“Wang needs to be traded as soon as possible.”
I just may return to the pre-Internet world.
Why cant our hitters do that!
I’m outta here……..Better luck tomorrow
I was just about to post that the Yanks are in good shape with a rested Hughes on the mound vs Wakefield and only a 2 run deficit but… yeah.
Thank you Erica. And that should just about end the game.
come on Phil
I hate the Red Sox!!!
christ – can we please have an inning where they DON’T score???
0-7
Well there you guys go.
Stop bashing Wang. It’s not Wang, the whole team didn’t show up to play tonight.
The defense has been a joke, the offense has been a joke, and ALL the pitchers are afraid to throw strikes, and when they don’t throw strikes, they throw meatballs in hitters counts and pay.
The Yankees just are playing TERRIBLE baseball right now. In ever aspect of the game. Who cares what the pitching does if we don’t score or we don’t make ROUTINE plays in the field behind them?
@CB, regarding the pitches…
Absolutely. Which is why he needs to continue making starts every 5th day. Otherwise his progress will only be hindered. Because lets be honest, the minors isn’t going to help him fix his problems.
And as I type this… 4 runs down, with the way the offense is swinging? Hello 0-7.
youks says … in ya face disgrace!!!!
not so much about defending the homeplate ump tonight, it’s just comical how almost every single night there’s handwringing in the comments about how yank pitchers are being squeezed. i do agree that the defense and luck were not really happening tonight, though.
Oh Hughes…I really wanted to see him to really, really well today. Damn…hopefully he can bounce back off of that.
i’m done with this team tonight.. complete waste of time! 0-7 against the hated rivals is disgusting and I won’t tolerate it.. Take the series against Tampa and just completely fall off the wagon against this team that I HATE so much!
they have 5 more innings to get it together, and we all know they can hit, Wakefield won’t last much longer, and they CAN do it.
starts like Wang today and Burnette yesterday should make us appreciate Pettite so much more, he may not have good stuff every night and is declining but he BATTLES and doesn’t embarress the Yankee name
So what else is on Tv tonight?
Hey call something else Jorge
Geez. Here we go again………….
I still think it was a mistake for Joe to say that this was a big series. The players are tight now in the clutch (a bunch of runners left on yet again, reminiscent of early this eason) – maybe because they are putting too much pressure on themselves.
I missed Phil – how’d he look in his first inning? Can he go 4 tonight?
Bad location for Hughes with his fastball. Hopefully the big man has his good stuff tomorrow.
” I HATE KEVIN YOUKILLIOUS OMG I HAVE TO GO I CANT DO THIS BYE ”
We will never beat this team. I even suspect CC will choke tomorrow.
“game.
blouses.”
That’s a pretty hilarious comment and deserves to be quoted
made me smile in the midst of another potential loss to the sox
Bye Terry from NH, just hit the close button and you’ll be gone!!! see ya
This game is over.
Congrats guys, we just lost what the Manager called a “big” series.
This game is over.
Congrats guys, we just lost what the Manager called a “big” series.
See what happens when you mix up pitches!
I am tired of seeing Francona smile so much after the Sox score, tired since Ellsbury stole home, we need to do something to make him look unhappy…tired of those fans….all the Sox just look way too happy and comfortable, maybe like we did after 19-8 in game 3 in 2004…Yanks need to watch the Sox and how they look and remember and use it to help beat them….
matt – not true. you told me that wang was throwing strikes all night but was not getting the calls. have you changed your tune for forgot your previous insanity?
“they have 5 more innings to get it together, and we all know they can hit,”
Yeah, genius, but Boston has scored in every inning. It may take 10 runs to win this game.
imagine if the yanks were 5 games out of 1st going into this series and this happened…75% of the people on this blog would hang themselves and the other 25% would bury them
THat’s how many men left on base?
CB – you were saying about being down 4-2?
You watching this same team?
I don’t understand the optimism some people have when we have to watch Swisher, Jeter, Arod and Cano fail with RISP repeatedly in this series.
This game should be at least 4-3.
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I don’t understand why people sound happy when they get to prove someone wrong due to things going badly. Does it make you feel better?
When people can’t tell the difference between hatred and venting in your posts, then i’d rethink my posts.
2-0 pitch to Youkilis, most hitters look for FB. He was looking for it.
Throw a breaking ball there. Nice pitch selection Jorge.
why does everyone hate boston? because they have a smarter team, not better, and they clearly have better general manager, manager, coaches.
I love how we finally get an ace and our number one starter before that ace arrives all of a sudden becomes a pile of crap. I mean what is with that?
NickSF–The remark about giving birth in Fenway is the WORST post today. One should not make tasteless jokes when a Yankee player’s wife is giving birth to their first child.
Don’t worry guys. We got this game – have you seen the meatballs that Wake is throwing up there? And he is 10-17 lifetime.
I sense another comeback on the way (#21 is it?)
AJ set the tone for the series last night. Inexcusable effort for an $80M contract.
I do gurantee CC won’t choke.
The Red Sox are better. Sorry guys.
Plenty of time left if they’re interested.
this game isnt gonna end 6-2..for either side
so not only did the Wang Experiment not work…they now have Hughes’ mechanics/confidence/swagger all messed up
Joe should move Pettitte up in the rotation, he deserves it
Young Master Philip has too much class to show up Wang by putting up nothing but zeros. So he gives up a couple runs.
Now he will shut down the Socks while the Yankee bats put up some runs.
tampa yank.. your 100% right.
Even when he isn’t on.. he still gives them 5-6 innings.
Yankees have the most talent but lack the ________________ ? Cojones? I don’t know but they have been this kind of team for the last 5-6 years. Effin’ frustrating!
Whatever everyone calm down. You knew going into this that Wang was gonna get smacked around (you were on the proverbial crack if you didn’t) and that Burnett is a toss up. Pretty much the only one we can count on in this rotation against a good team is CC. As long as we win tomorrow we’ll still be tied and they’ll go on to where ever and lose two out of three.
Comeback time!
Hughes has joined the choke club.
sarah – you cannot be serious. Would it be better if it was wangs second child.
Rob Thompson, we may score but Boston will score more-Boston pen is > than our pen. Besides, bad bats w/runners in scoring position.
“you can’t keep calling for sinkers when they’re breaking out of the zone.”
randy,
But this gets back to an antecedent problem we’ve discussed with wang. He’s got no plan B. His success is really predicated on one pitch.
If he can’t locate that pitch then what is Posada supposed to to to? Wang’s hasn’t pitched a game off of his 4 seamer in years. That’s just not something he can do.
Wang’s approach has very little fault tolerance in it. Similar to AJ Burnett’s.
I don’t think that’s on Posada. Wang’s got on major weapon. If that weapon’s off then that’s pretty much that. You have to hope he’ll settle in.
Wang needs to go back on the DL.
Ridin this wave- Hey surfer boy, I can say what I want whenever I want!! Go find Mr. Hand you fake Jeff Spicoli wannabe!!
continue to chip away. don’t give up
its all the umps fault ……… wah wah wahhhhhhhhhhh!!
This game was over at 3-1. You can’t come back when the pitcher gives up crooked numbers every single inning. I’m out, get em tomorrow. 0-7 ugh.
I’m going to watch some spongebob
that dude always cheers me up unlike A-Rod
Let’s hope A-Rod and Cano will see more than a combined 2 pitches…
Tex is the man
tex has showed up today…
tex=sox killer
Tex never misses.
Now imagine if Johnny would have reached base in that last inning…
go ahead, TEX!!!
Tex is the only offense so far.
I know Hughes hasn’t been much better, but anything to get Wang out.
There’s our MVP.
Now here’s where I turn off the tube so I dont have to watch Alex popup to second.
why pitch to tex when A-Rod is up next
Matt – you’re right and we’re all wrong. Wang has nasty stuff and deserves to start for the rest of the year……Seriously, I don’t know what ganme you’re watching.
WANG WILL BE BACK
At least Tex has his game face on. Come on boys bring him home!
At least Tex showed up.
Tex is going to be hitting .300 soon.
arod no likey wakefield
Erica – newly OPPC
June 10th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Stultus-
I would gladly wave my magic wand and cause eye-popping weirdness for you, but sadly I do not have that power (I kind fo wish I did though). All I can say is that I feel crazy in the air today and I think it’s following to this game.
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i think the only eye-popping weirdness we are going to see tonight is Matt’s clearly sexual attraction to GameDay….
I didnt even have time to turn it off and he’s already out!
WHAT A LOSER!!!!!!!
Excellent support provided by A-Rod.
“See, what you wanna do when facing a knuckleballer is SWING AT THE F$%$@&#% FIST PITCH!!”
“continue to chip away. don’t give up”
Yes, let’s just hope that the Sox don’t chip away more.
*FIRST
cb-
serious question.if it’s so easy to put wang on the disabled list then why didn’t cashman do it instead of pulling hughes from the rotation.
i figured that wang would take 4-5b starts and have a 8-9 era during this time to build up his pitch count, and i figured this was a necessary evil to get wang back.
but if he could have been be disabled and accomplish the same thing at triple a, why wouldn’t the yankees have done that?
A-rod has looked lost vs Wakefield. He’s been way ahead of all three pitches and hit them off the end of the bat EVERY SINGLE TIME!
A-Rod your so great
Alright, moved the runner over…now lets get this run in. Chip away.
Cano takes a pitch
A-Rod sucks. Period.
We have to score runs too or you can’t blame the pitchers one bit.
There goes A-Rod swinging at the first pitch and doing nothing, yet again.
But we can’t really play for single runs now. We blew it early and now we’re paying the price. Runner at 3rd, no outs in the 2nd and we didn’t score him. These runs are the difference between wins and losses.
Sometimes the offense has to go out there and bail out pitchers that give up runs. Our hitters have not only not done that, but they have not given us a single lead in this entire series. It’s hard for pitchers to pitch when they know every mistake could be the game, and they will press more and nibble.
Even if Arod doesn’t feel good at the plate I wish he would at least look at pitches. He looks horrible right now.
GJ Phil…JK
Can Tex bat 3rd AND 4th?
The problem is when Wakefield leaves the Boston pen is unhittable.
Our pen is very hittable.
Losing situation.
Wow, it’s a good thing Tex is the only one who showed up to play tonight.
1 run game without Youkilis HR
“NickSF—The remark about giving birth in Fenway is the WORST post today. ”
It’s been addressed.
Chip, chip, chip
DON’T SWING AT THE FIRST PITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE FIRST PITCH.
DO NOT SWING AT IT.
that was just sad.
This is bad.
randy l.
June 10th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
” Hate to say it but this guy is mentally crushed. The good news is that players such as Greinke have proven that you can come back from serious mental deficiencies”
mentally crushed?
i love hearing people who have never had the ability to step between the lines talk about mental toughness.
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LOL, thats rich coming from an armchair pitching coach. What are your credentials? I played soccer in the Big 12. I’ve started games at just about every big 12 stadium. Please dont lecture me about “stepping between the lines” and make a fool out of yourself.
PS- playing in your beer league in Queens or Yonkers doesnt count.
Thanks for the run Tex
. A-Rod thanks for nothing!!!!!!
The Red Sox will gladly take that. That’s the problem.
Because we didn’t score those extra runs in the 2nd, we are in a really bad spot right now. We have to have big innings now because of our joke of an offense.
And there you go again, Posada dribbles it back to the mound on the FIRST PITCH. This offense is a freaking joke.
7 hits, 3 walks, and 3 runs, 1 on a solo HR.
Hint: You can’t win games if you can’t score runs.
No team wins an American League game scoring only 3 runs, especially not in Fenway Park.
What was that a 6 pitch inning? Comical!
Ok good job Robbie, got the run in atleast. Let’s go Yankees, keep chipping away.
1 run game without Youkilis HR
without the 6 sox runs we’d be winning by 3. SO WHAT!!!
CAN. WE. PLEASE. STOP. SWINGING. AT. THE. FIRST. PITCH????!?!?!??!!?!
Again Posada calling for a 2-0 FB to Youkilis. SMH
joe buck commercial…now i’m REALLY upset.
Did they see more than 5 pitches in that last inning?
The next time we play Boston our hitters should throw meatballs and we should bunt every pitch thrown to us just to get out as quick as possible, settle for the wild card and hope Boston loses in the first round.
NBA and NHL shouLd rotate nights. How stupid is that?
I know the pitching has been horrible. But the bats are going to have to wake up sometime soon and actually score some runs. Arod, Posada and Cano need to get going. Tex hits a double and then Arod and Posada swing at the 1st pitch. Besides Tex the rest of the lineup is dead. They are swinging at the 1st pitch too much and they look almost like they gave up already.
Okay, hold em here and keep chipping away. We can do it.
“serious question.if it’s so easy to put wang on the disabled list then why didn’t cashman do it instead of pulling hughes from the rotation.”
I don’t know. Perhaps I’m underestimating how difficult it is to put someone on the DL.
On the flip side how hard really was it to put Wang on the DL the first time.
I think they were hoping he’d progressively regain strength as he made starts.
I’d guess they figured he’d only go 4 innings or so but that they had Hughes and Aceves to fill in behind so it would work out. Let Wang get stronger. Give Hughes innings.
But if Wang is going to have no command then that plan doesn’t work.
Let’s put it this way – if Wang says his foot hurts or his legs feel weak who can stop them from putting him on the DL?
It’s not completely made up in any way. Wang is not back physically yet.
Chip, chip, chip
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1-0 boston
1-1 chip chip chip
4-1 boston
4-2 chip chip chip
6-2 boston
6-3 chip chip chip
Get the message!
Guys, our offense is great. We’re having a bad series. Good pitching would have kept us in the game.
If .200 hitting Ortiz hits a homerun on a fastball right down the middle of the plate I will throw up.
Wow I haven’t been reading Pete’s comments all night so I just read through them. Talk about panic, huh? You gotta settle down big man, things aren’t as dire as you’re making them out to be.
First of all, it wasn’t a bad call at first on Swisher’s bunt, Youk’s foot was CLEARLY off the bag. Secondly, it was pretty obvious that Swish bunted on his own, that wasn’t a call from the bench.
Wang had trouble with his command but his stuff was sick tonight. Frankly I’m encouraged by this, his stuff has improved in every outing.
Messing with Hughes’ arm? He had plenty of time to warm up, they had him throwing before the inning even started.
Is it a Yankees beat writer’s job to fan the flames or are you just prone to hysterics?
Hughes is really learning how to pitch though
Hughes needs a bounce back inning.
People wonder why A-Rod gets booed?
If I was his manager, I’d politely ask another player to have him meet me in the tunnel and I would lay into him.
His job is to provide offensive support to this team and hit the ball hard.
I’m so frustrated knowing I need to watch this guy for another 9 years.
He’s a loser and the Yankees will continue to lose unless he’s gone.
Give me a break about Phil choking. He’s 22, he’s a starter and he’s pitched exactly ONE lousy inning in 10 days. He’s supposed to be sharp?
Give me a break about Phil choking. He’s 22, he’s a starter and he’s pitched exactly ONE lousy inning in 10 days. He’s supposed to be sharp?
Scared of the Red Sox.
wow.
walk ortiz. it’s a formula for success.
no really.
Just atrocious at bats by the majority of the line-up.
They have to get to Wakefield, who has nothing tonight. Not going to be able to get to this bullpen.
Say all you want, but we’re at Fenway Park and we aren’t hitting one bit at a BIG hitters’ ballpark.
0 runs on 2 hits last night, and 3 runs with 10 baserunners today.
You aren’t going to shut down the Red Sox lineup at home, everyone knows that. These games are going to be slugfests, but we can’t score runs, so of course we’re going to lose!
“Guys, our offense is great. We’re having a bad series. Good pitching would have kept us in the game.”
There ya go.
I’d like to think that Hughes just pitched around F’Ortiz.
I find it hard to find much positive in Wang’s outing. Once again he is killing the pen – how many 3 inning outings can the pen take?
The Yankees are not scared of the Sox, they just aren’t as good. Plus, they are playing tight as a drum thanks to Joe…..Of course, that’s their own fault too. They’ve reverted to form.
Pete,
I’ve got to agree with Patrick. Who’s talking about DFA’ing Wang?
The situation isn’t as dire as you’re portraying it.
Wang had plenty of movement tonight and kept the ball down. Too down. But down.
He just needs more work. He’s not right physically.
In other news this umpire has the weirdest strike zone I’ve seen in awhile. Some pitches over the center of the plate aren’t called. That fastball a foot outside was a strike. Weird..
Rachel, I agree, bats need to wake up, especially against Wakefield, but it has to be hard when, for the past two days, your supposed vaunted starting pitching can’t get out of the third inning. How many games can ANYONE win when you’re in the pen in the third two games in a row?
Whats AJ’s Era against boston this year?
We more or less knew we’d lose today. Burnett is the only one who has choked.
“Yankees will continue to lose unless he’s gone.”
I remember them doing alot of losing while he was gone.
This guy’s zone is out of control.
Hughes just got the benefit of a pitch that was way outside.
Rachel, have you noticed this umpire’s calls tonight?
Is it me or does it seem like the Sox get every, single ball/strike call to go their way Doesn’t seem fair.
Playing tight has zero to do with this. Being the worse team does.
btw the yes gun is indeed 100% off, hughes throwing 94 curveballs, haha- I think cash had them manipulate the gun to try to avoid having to discuss how he botched this situation…wang should be starting in scranton- has there ever been a move more drenched in panic?
Wang goes 3 innings and people are actually excited about his start…. thats speaks volumes.
“In other news this umpire has the weirdest strike zone I’ve seen in awhile. Some pitches over the center of the plate aren’t called. That fastball a foot outside was a strike. Weird..”
ABSOLUTELY
Sutcliffe drooling about the Sox players again.
As discouraging as it sounds I hope Cashman does what CB is proposing. Put Wang on the DL and resume the initial plan to get him ready. Let him throw 2 maybe 3 starts to regain his strength then bring him back.
Do you think the Yanks might have too much pride to admit that they made a grave mistake in bringing Wang back too soon?
What is up with the YES gun registering Hughes’ curveball at 95???
Wang was that bad people think Phil started today lol
Well lose to Boston beat everybody else and will make the playoffs.
It’s too bad the Yankees pitching is so ineffective. The Sox are just so much better and improving daily. CC will probably lose tomorrow!
Actually, as bad as Wang’s outing was, and as short as he lasted, because Hughes can go long and because Aceves is available, the bullpen is actually not “killed” tonight.
In any event, with CC going tomorrow, they might be able to afford to use a third pitcher if the had to, which of course, I hope they don’t.
Great inning for Hughes there. Really nasty stuff.
Hughes made a mistake on that pitch to Youkilis – but Youkilis has been arguably the best hitter in the AL this year.
Hughes’ stuff look very good so far tonight.
You can’t just put guys on the DL who aren’t hurt. Teams in baseball are getting very annoyed with the Yankees and Red Sox for doing it, and there’s no way they’d be able to slip a CLEARLY healthy Wang onto the DL.
Guys, he was throwing 95 mph tonight with feet of break on his sinker. He had some bad luck that they weren’t being called even though they were at the knees, but what more does he have to do?
You can’t DL a guy who’s not hurt, and there is NO WAY you could BS another injury after seeing how good his stuff was tonight.
trisha – OPPC lifetime member
June 10th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
“In other news this umpire has the weirdest strike zone I’ve seen in awhile. Some pitches over the center of the plate aren’t called. That fastball a foot outside was a strike. Weird..”
ABSOLUTELY
*****
See!!!! WEIRD. There is WEIRD in the air tonight. More to come too.
Boston didn’t score… the tide is turning
Nice job by Hughes.
Maybe he can bat 4th, too.
“LOL, thats rich coming from an armchair pitching coach. What are your credentials?”
doris from rego park?
i’ve caught pitchers who have won over 2000 mlb games. i’ve been roomates with rick petersen, neil allen, ross grimsley. i caught the guy all winter who started the national league all star game in 1991. i’ve been in spring training with frank robinson’s orioles. i worked under 15 year yankee pitching coach, tony cloninger for two years as his bullpen catcher.
click on my username if you want to see what i did. that’s me in cloninger’s bullpen.
your turn.
ok boys finally put up a 0 time to get the bats going, bottom of the order get on base and turn things around derek-
BIG ACCOMPLISHMENT!
THE RED SOX HAD AN INNING WHERE THEY *DIDN’T* SCORE!
Take that Sox. Didn’t even score a single run that inning! (SCOFFS!)
Let’s go bats!
We’ll make wild card but we’ll have to hope Boston loses in the first round to have any shot at all.
That was a dominant inning for the Phranchise. Way to go Phil. Now just string a few more together to keep them at bay and we are back in business.
Bottom of the lineup coming up, here is our chance to get some runs.
“Wang goes 3 innings and people are actually excited about his start…. thats speaks volumes.”
I don’t know that anyone is wildly excited about his start. But maybe the fact that some of us were able to see progress from his last start and take that as a good sign speaks volumes for our levelheadness.
BOSTON is flat out, putting their REDS-OCK…up the yankees you know what. Plain and simple. There is no other way to describe it.
That was a nasty curve Phil just threw……
First blank frame for the Yanks. Nice pitching Phil. Let’s get the bats going.
randy l., you win.
Have I ever told any of you how great the Boston Red Sox are?
I haven’t?
Well then let me tell you. The Boston Red Sox are so great, they are like the Sistine Chappel and the Mona Lisa combined as one.
Levelheaded?
CC will win tomorrow and yanks will take 2 of 3 from the Mets. I am not losing any sleep- yanks will clearly make the playoffs one way or another and then it doesnt matter if they end up losing 14 in a row to Boston. Yes these losses sting a bit and the sox are clearly in the yanks head. well thats becuase they are a better team but all bets are off in the postseason
Offense pllleeeeaaaaaasssse.
I’m so sick of this team’s performance against the Red Sox. I have no doubt even the Nationals would have been able to squeak out a win by now.
Our pitchers are behind in every count, our batters swing at the first pitch, and we play sloppy defense. Starters get knocked out early and relievers come in and give up insurance runs. In 7 games against the Red Sox, only 1 pitcher (Pettitte) has gone 6 innings. That exposes our bullpen. When the relievers have to cover 5-6 innings, the Sox hitters compile a ton of AB’s against them, which will only help them later in the season.
Sorry, bad start by Wang. Terrible in fact. He was worse than he was in Texas.
“We’ll make wild card but we’ll have to hope Boston loses in the first round to have any shot at all.”
This call in June. Priceless.
“You can’t DL a guy who’s not hurt, and there is NO WAY you could BS another injury after seeing how good his stuff was tonight.”
Really? You should have that conversation with Dave Dombrowski.
He put Dontrelle Willis on the DL for social anxiety disorder and that afternoon Willis said that he didn’t have social anxiety disorder.
The Tigers really paid a hefty price for that. Baseball really put their foot down on that one.
Wang as a starter: 13.1 innings, 36 hits, 11 walks, 30 earned runs. That’s a 20.25 ERA.
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Yikes
Make excuses all you want for why we should show patience and be all happy and warm about this game, but we’re facing losing seven straight to the Red Sox and falling out of first place tonight.
This team needs to come back tonight. I know they can do it and I believe in this offense, but these pitchers better stop buckling their knees every single time they see a Boston uniform.
We still can take this series if the hitters deliver tonight.
Phil’s still just 22 and he’s going to make his mistakes. Overall, he’s doing ok – a LOT better than his previous outings in Fenway. I’d love to see him give us 2 or 3 more innings…….though I’m not sure if his pitch count will allow for it. I actually think he’s learning more by his mistakes up here than he would by dominating AAA……
Zero percent chance the Nats would have beaten the Red Sox, I don’t care if they played each other fifty times. Talk about a bad pen…
At least Wangs ERA came down again! Hughes ERA at 5.45, not good either.
no pete doesnt like it, but come on swish how bout a bunt single : )
Benny sorry but I just don’t agree, unless you think that 3 runs is really giving it to us. I don’t.
Silver lining could be seeing Hughes step up to claim a rotation spot. Could be a real character builder.
I hate, hate, hate seeing us get repeatedly spanked by the Sox, but even if there is not comeback tonite, it’s one game back in the loss column, with plenty of head-to-head games left. Just think how good it will feel when the worm turns.
This will not stand for the rest of the season.
Matt – The offense must take some blame. But these 2 games fall, for the most part, squarely on the shoulders of oour starting pitchers.
The bottom of the line up is doing its Job, is there a way Joe would pitch hit for A-rod with Pena lol
It’s time for the “NEVER SAY DIE” Yankees to show up.
Its hard to fathom that there’s a possibilty the yankees will go down 0-8….ouch…triple ouch.
At this point, we need to take 1-3 and get the heck out of dodge.
We have to hurry up and get to wakefield before francona summons the calvary.
Trisha you thought tonight was an improvement over his last start??? I thought his last start was better over this one. At least with his last one he had two great innings…in this game he did not have one good inning. Tonight was a disgrace in my book.
posada is a problem. great guy. great bat. he calls a terrible game. terrible.
no means know
To be clear, when I say Wang’s outing was bad, I mean ineffective. I take it as a positive that his velocity is clearly there.
Everyone talks about patience. Almost no one seems to really have it.
“click on my username if you want to see what i did. that’s me in cloninger’s bullpen.
your turn.”
Is this where we finally see the Jeter picture from Starbucks???
Dear Cash money,
Wang needs to get dealt before his stock plummets, hey Colorado might have something A Street/Gonzalez maybe we can work something out ?
Sincerely,
Brandon
“Silver lining could be seeing Hughes step up to claim a rotation spot. Could be a real character builder.
I hate, hate, hate seeing us get repeatedly spanked by the Sox, but even if there is not comeback tonite, it’s one game back in the loss column, with plenty of head-to-head games left. Just think how good it will feel when the worm turns.
This will not stand for the rest of the season.”
But that all posters were able to have this kind of perspective.
Very good post.
another 3-1 gift call for boston, man how an inning can turn on one pitch
Randy I….agree…you win hands down.
gameday says that whole nick swisher AB the ump was on crack
one pitch = one out
First pitch swinging again. I’m not understanding this…
they have to be kidding with the first pitch swinging
2 things trisha:
A) I know I’m being overlu negative and admitted it earlier. Don’t worry, if they make a comeback I’ll leave while you rub it in my face! (And gladly so).
B) I don’t see why that’s priceless anyway, even if I were in a coherent state of mind. It’s a prediction. Do you call it ridiculous when people predicted the Yanks to win the WS?
Wow Randy, thats super impressive. I didnt realize you were roomates with THE Rick Petersen. You guys both have a ton of time on youe hands, eh? Did you help him go for the mullet look?
How was that a strike! IT was above the belt!
Also the homerun puke hit would it have been out in any stadium. Just curious, cause all we do is hear how cheap our hr’s are.
Little League effort with the bats tonight.
Embarrassingly weak.
keep first pitch swinging.
it’s working wonders.
That pitch crossed home plate at the letters. What a joke.
And the brilliant Melky Cabrera swings at the first pitch AGAIN and flies out weekly.
This is all on the offense, nothing else you can say.
The guys who take pitches are crushing Wakefield, and the morons who go up there hacking at the first pitch are hitting garbage dribblers back to the mound. Its common sense, something which eludes these players.
That was some curveball to Swisher for strike three. It started over his head!
overlu is overly.
Jeter Damon Alex slumping at the same time.
bad offense, bad pitching= bad game
and the worst part is that I have to listen to those stupid redsox fans heckling our players.
There is zero percent chance win tonight.
Hopefully that play will make Girardi talk to Matsui about hustling..
Matt
We have given up 6 ER in 6 IP. That’s a 9 ERA. Not sure how that’s the offense’s fault.
we before win.
this is not a championship caliber team.
Nothing else you can say. Our offense is a joke.
If these hitters had a clue they’d be leading this game right now with the amount of baserunners they’ve had. It’s amazing that they continue to swing at the first pitch when nobody has reached base doing so, while everyone who has seen at least 2-3 pitches has pretty much done so.
They’ve been within reach all night, and they absolutely refuse to even make the Red Sox sweat. The offense is terrible.
Matt
Actually, it’s 6 ER in 5 IP for a 10+ ERA. My mistake.
What can you say? The better team is winning every time.
if tex gets a hit let arod replace him on the basepath and let tex swing for him is that allowed?
gameday says that whole nick swisher AB the ump was on crack
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Have you ever watch the game and gameday at the same time. Sometime gameday has a ball that was 5 feet outside, on the inside corner.
GLove, the hitters have disappeared unfortunately. I’m not going to freak out about 3 games, but it is embarrassing to be on the verge of going 0-7 against the Sox. That is not a fluke – they find new ways to lose to the Sox this year. Granted, even though they won the homestand at 4-2, they really didn’t play that well – missed opportunites with RISP, errors, etc……They are just carryng the poor play with them – I’m not sure it has anything to do with Boston.
“There is zero percent chance win tonight.”
According to fangraphs you’re wrong! Hah!
http://www.fangraphs.com/livew.....=290610102
So we have to score 3 runs in 3 innings against the Boston pen.
Not happening
0-7 here we come
Matt
If we had gotten a good start we could be winning this game 3-2 or tied 3-3.
The knuckleball always seems to give us fits. Always.
Kevin, I consider the fact that he was able to come back and get strikeouts the way he did, after having difficulty, a very good sign. Don’t forget this is his first full start back. I don’t know what he would have done with better defense behind him, but you know a few of those plays really hurt him because they led to longer innings and to runs.
JMO
“Dear Cash money,
Wang needs to get dealt before his stock plummets, hey Colorado might have something A Street/Gonzalez maybe we can work something out ?
Sincerely,
Brandon”
Was this letter pre-dated to about 2 months ago? Because Wang’s stock has already plummeted. At this point, there is not one team in the majors that will give us anything significant for him, because they know if we’re shopping him, that we’ve given up on him, and teams that have given up on players don’t get anything in return. Why would a team give us anything good for something we’re trying to get rid of? If we’re trading him at this point, it’s not to make the team better by using an excess piece to get another. No, it’d be trading him because we don’t think he’ll rebound, and that’s not giving a team incentive for dealing us anything of worth.
It could be the offense’s fault. 15 innings pitched total with 13 runs scored. 15 innings with 3 runs scored. It’s both the offense and pitchings fault. Bad series, but hey, it’s the Red Sox. They’ve killed us…
Betsy – You do realize that Damon was the first one to proclaim it a big series right? And he is a leader in that locker room.
The players are not dumb. They know it is a big series. They don’t need anyone else to tell them so.
wang has to get another start against the nationals.
if he gets killed then you make a decision.
2 starts is not enough.
then either dl him,bullpen,or release him.
i think they owe it to him to do what he wants unless the velocity is not there wich i am hearing it is.
a decision needs to be made after one more start.
what happens if we dl him then bring him back & this happens all over again after hughes gets into a groove.
they over reacted when joba got hit in the foot & should of left wang down until the allstar game.
More 1st pitch swinging by Melky. The lineup has been very good this season coming back in games. But yesterday and especially today they got down and never tried to get back up. I just wish the lineup would play every inning like Boston does. No matter what the score is they continue to have great at bats and come after you every inning. Yanks have trouble always doing that.
“Wang needs to get dealt before his stock plummets”
Brandon, you continue to crack me up. You always say ‘don’t sell low’ – trying to trade Wang now would be selling at his lowest point.
What happened with Tabata was dealing a player before his stock plummeted.
Patrick, I looked but where does it say that?
CB,
You can’t just put players on the DL at will. It has to be approved by the commissioner. Do you think they would approve DL’ing Wang again when he’s clearly not hut?
And citing Willis’ case doesn’t work there. Do you think Willis is going to come out and say he has anxiety disorder? OF COURSE he’s going to deny it, he WANTS TO PLAY! They apparently had actual evidence from a doctor to back it up from a blood test. And yes, you can diagnose it from a blood test by measuring the levels of hormones in the blood.
Wang has NO injury, physical or mental. You couldn’t just DL say CC Sabathia right now, and the same is true of Wang.
When Wang went on the DL he was clearly not 100% healthy and had obvious weakness in his hip. You can’t say that when he is throwing 95 mph with incredible sink. Wang is here to stay, stop making up ridiculous scenarios.
Folks, there is no comparison between these two teams. Throw the records out.
The offense has been atrocious. No plate discipline at all in crucial situations.
Has everyone prepared themselves for the massive choke that we all know is coming from CC tomorrow?
That game will prove his worth as an “ACE” number one guy.
“What can you say? The better team is winning every time.”
What I can say is that you smell just like a Sux troll.
this ump is clueless…simply
UMP is really, really bad.
The team looks as tight as a drum
Can’t get a clutch hit against this team to save their life.
This Red Sox team simply has our number. End of story.
Things will be different in the playoffs.
i.cant.deal.with.the.wiggling.
If Joba was on the mound, Youk would be hobbling to first base after being hit right here.
Nice play, Alex. Real good back handed stop. His range is getting better every time out.
I bet the Yankees get no-hit tomorrow
CC had a bandage on his pitching finger..not sure what thats about
A lot of pitches being thrown by Yankee pitchers tonite.
At least Hughes is hanging in there trying to get through this. The offense just needs a few more run.
Watch we get shut down by the 6era brad penny
At least Hughes is hanging in there trying to get through this. The offense just needs a few more run.
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Start praying
Brandon —-> Brandon 3 Cena 0
June 10th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Dear Cash money,
Wang needs to get dealt before his stock plummets, hey Colorado might have something A Street/Gonzalez maybe we can work something out ?
Sincerely,
Brandon
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i hope you are kiddin.
you can’t trade him for a fan to be named later.
trisha, I’m actually not, just someone in a bad mood using the blog to vent.
Anyway, you really are one of the only peeople to deny that the soon to be first place red sox who have never lost to us are not as good.
I gurantee CC wins tomorrow.
Flaherty:
You saw some positive signs from Wang tonight.
What Wang was he watching? The one I saw was TERRIBLE.
Murphy – I didn’t see your earlier post to me. So maybe you’re not a Sux troll after all.
“I don’t see why that’s priceless anyway, even if I were in a coherent state of mind. It’s a prediction. Do you call it ridiculous when people predicted the Yanks to win the WS?”
You have an absolutely valid point there. I am the first to say the Yankees will win the division hands down and also will win the world series. You could as easily call those predictions “priceless”.
Touche.
Hughes looks REALLY good right now. Throwing 94-95 with great breaking stuff. REALLY good.
“posada is a problem. great guy. great bat. he calls a terrible game. terrible.”
Stop blaming Posada. He’s not the one screwing up.
Phil’s doing a nice job….scratch that, a very fine job. He made Bay look foolish
“You can’t just put players on the DL at will. It has to be approved by the commissioner. Do you think they would approve DL’ing Wang again when he’s clearly not hut?”
Sure. Wang says tomorrow that he woke up with a sore elbow. His MRI shows nothing. He’s clinically diagnosed with mild tendinitis.
Or Wang says his hip still doesn’t feel right. He can’t get any push off of his legs and that’s why he can only throw 50 pitches. He’s putting too much exertion on his arm.
This happens all of the time.
And in form there is no difference with the Willis situation. Do you really think teams bought the idea that Willis suddenly was diagnosed with social anxiety disorder at the same time that he had no spot on the tigers team because he couldn’t throw stikes at all.
That’s just nieve.
I have to say Trish is very annoying. She can’t see the writing on the wall. 0-7 against the Sox.
That’s the way to pitch to Bay. Throw him anything but a FB.
Two big defensive lapses a big factor in this one, Alex letting the roller go through without making an effort and Swisher’s mind-numbing whiff in RF. How on earth is that not an error?
Considering the bullpen was overused last night they should have let Wang take one for the team and at least go four innings. Not sure how far Hughes can go after pitching two days ago, but he’s done pretty well through 3 1/3.
mechagodzilla I think it’s past your bed time
5ks for Hughes
ill be able to sleep tonight 
2nd dominant inning in a row for Philly Boy.
He’s also been incredibly efficient with his pitch count, which is always a concern. He’s only at 60 through 6.
Come on back boys – this game is ripe for the pickin’
Hughes has looked great tonight. He hung one bad pitch and paid for it, but outside of that, he’s looked BEYOND solid. At this point, I trust him way more than Wang.
CC ain’t pitching tomorrow hes giving birth to Wang’s baby.
Hughes’ stuff is pretty sicknasty
GGBG, dude Wang’s stuff was good tonight he just couldn’t locate. Everything was down, he was sitting 93-95, slider was sliding, etc.
‘You can’t just put players on the DL at will.’
Actually yeah you can..
nice performance by hughes so far…hes in a tough situation coming in relief at fenway trying to prevent 0-7…
Nice job there Phil.
Yanks need to put some pressure on Wakefield now.
2-3-4 coming up.
Maybe Alex can walk.
Yeah, this game is bad.
it is not possible for chien-ming wAAAng to start next tuesday with hughes in the bullpen or at AAA. it’s simply not possible. there is no comparison right now.
I take it I didnt miss anything good tonight?
“Brandon, you continue to crack me up. You always say ‘don’t sell low’ – trying to trade Wang now would be selling at his lowest point. ”
Nick, I’ve been saying this about Wang for some time now, just like I said about Matsui how they should have dealt him when SF wanted him. Again, Wang is not on Hughes’ level, ppl keep throwing the 19 wins, the league has figured him out, he’s a one pitch pitcher, when the sinker doesn’t sink or locate forget about it the BP has to get taxed. Strangely he was exceeding in the BP, instead of making him earn his spot, they gave it to him.
“Patrick, I looked but where does it say that?”
Look at the graph man, it shows the percentage a team will win. Right now Boston has a 89% chance of winning, whatever that means
Y26, true……….but by saying that, the Yanks set them up for a fall. If they don’t do well, then what are they supposed to take from that? That they aren’t as good? I don’t think it does any good to even go there…..
Even if they loss, Phil looking as good as he has is a definite positive.
trisha, I give you credit for respecting valid points.
Hughes is finally looking like the HOF pitcher they compared him to when he first vame up. CLEMENS.
“Anyway, you really are one of the only peeople to deny that the soon to be first place red sox who have never lost to us are not as good.”
Actually there are several of us who feel that way. And here’s hoping that you eat your “soon to be first place” prediction.
Believe it or not I think they comeback vs this BP tonight. IDK why.
my rally cap is on.
Patrick-Ah, okay.
New rallying cry: 11% magic!
i don’t care if boston beats us every game.they suck & the yankees rule.
we will turn it around.cash needs to make a few tweaks like go get a pitcher & put burnett as the setup man.
Haha yeah apparently Willis had a blood test that told him he has social anxiety disorder.
This was the game for the offense to step up and they haven’t.
Of course, they’ll crush the Washington Nationals pitching next week, but when we really needed them, they went silent.
The Nationals can hit. The record is what it is because of their pitching not the hitting. So anyone that says pitch Wang against them to get him right is not a good way to look at it. They can smack him around just like any other team would. Hughes deserves to make Wang’s next start with the way he has pitched.
They got Ramirez for COCO, for COCO!! again they got a guy that would be the 8th inning in our bullpen for COCO!! was cashman sleeping.
“and Swisher’s mind-numbing whiff in RF. How on earth is that not an error?”
There’s actually an unfoffical sort of rule that errors are never awarded on plays where the fielder doesn’t touch the ball.
That’s why using errors to assess how good a defensive player someone is is completely misguided.
That play Swisher made was as bad a defensive play as you can possibly make.
Damon!!!!!!!!!
ok damon
Thank you Johnny! Keep on chipping! Down by 2!
Johnny Damon!!!!
My pretend boyfriend strikes again
good job damon!
changeup?
Another Solo HR woop di do
trisha, me too.
If I disappear and a psoter with a positive/non negative name comes here, don’t be surprised.
theo epstein is the only good looking person in the red sox organization…just wanted to throw that out there
OOO and i love it when Johnny does something fun at fenway
Carl, that was the WORST non-NickSF post of the day! It is in very poor taste to joke about CC the night before his start.
And welcome to the game Mr. Ramirez!
good job JD.
Chip away, fellas. Chip away.
keep on chipping away
Patrick
He gave up 6 H and 3 BB – 9 baserunners – in 2 2/3. There’s “can’t locate” which is what happened to AJ last night…where he located in the last game or two…just didn’t have it last night.
Then there is “can’t locate” the way Wang is not locating. He hasn’t had it all year and we can’t keep giving games away hoping he finds it.
TEx!!!!!
Ok, folks.
The truth hurts but Boston is the far superior team. I can’t recall a rivalry this one-sided, with one team so clearly afraid of and intimidated by the other.
This is a wimpy Yankee team. This is a gutless Yankee team. This is a lazy Yankee team. If this team was a horse, you would take it out back and shoot it and put it out of it’s misery.
Any fan who thinks going 0-7 against your hated, main division rival doesn’t really matter actually fits right in with the rest of the ballclub, because the players don’t give a rip, either.
BACK TO BACK!
b2b!
MVP.
UMMMMMM SERIOUSLY???
tex!
THERE WE GO!
MARKY BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Back to Back! Belly to Belly!
We used to OWN Fenway Park and all of our hitters had sick career numbers here
Now we can’t score to save our life.
What can you say, they don’t give up.
LETSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS GOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
The yankees suck
Tex I absolutely love you! “And here come the Yankees!” Music to my ears! Come on boys!!!!
Okay.. should I say WEIRD one more time????
Amazing how the Swisher error and baserunning blunder loom tremendously large right now. Always happens that way.
Boom Boom
Your turn Alex.
Now we got a ballgame.
Like I said, first team to 9 wins this game.
Well back to back dingers should certainly shut Sutcliff’s big mouth……
“Haha yeah apparently Willis had a blood test that told him he has social anxiety disorder.”
That was the most ridiculous thing I’ve seen. There have been dozens and dozens and dozens of stories on Willis about how he’s the most care free guy in baseball.
No history of mental illness at all.
Suddenly he has this diagnosis that he denies and goes on the DL.
But I forgot you have to ask pretty please to put a guy on the DL otherwise uncle selig will yell at you.
you can’t yank wang now.not against the nationals.
he has to go one more time.
if he gets bombed ask him to go down for a while.if not he has to go to the pen for the rest of the year.
mecha. take ur negativity somewhere. we’re working on a comeback here!
This might go yard too
cmon a rod continue it
TEX! WOOHOOOOO!!!!
Told you this game was ripe for the picking!!! One more swing and we’re tied, baby!!!
A-Rod sucks and will srike out
“I have to say Trish is very annoying. She can’t see the writing on the wall. 0-7 against the Sox.”
Idiot
can we clone Tex?
wang to the pen….hughes to the rotation. its simple….anyone who states otherwise is nuts.
mechagodzilla,
Sorry, couldn’t hear you over Tex’s home run.
Let’s all say the most ridiculous negative things we can think of! It seems to be working!
A-Rod is a terrible fielder, and swings at garbage! He’s a bust!
A-Rod will kill the rally, as he often does
Good thing Fenway’s dimensions are a joke also. What is it .302 to RF? But ofcourse only YS is a joke.
Now let’s get some more baserunners and tie this game. Patient at bats. Patient at bats.
What does A-Rod guess at the plate? Fastball right down the middle and up, how are you guessing something else?
GGBG,
Wang located about as well as A.J.
They both had bad starts, they both had mad nice stuff.
Bah A-rod looks just awful right now
Wow. A 6-3 game at fenway park is suddenly a one run game.
Who would have thought that was possible.
Especially for a team that leads the league in comebacks and is second in home runs.
We can’t clone him, but just imagine what life will be like when Alex is back to being Alex – he’s not remotely there, yet.
“you can’t yank wang now.not against the nationals.”
The Nats can hit. I wouldn’t dare put Wang vs them.
I think Tex needs to bat behind Alex he has been awful.
Arod is finished…
try to pull that outside pitch, you roll it over.
I hate when I’m right
Arod great job dude your the best keep doing what you do
“The truth hurts but Boston is the far superior team. I can’t recall a rivalry this one-sided, with one team so clearly afraid of and intimidated by the other.
This is a wimpy Yankee team. This is a gutless Yankee team. This is a lazy Yankee team. If this team was a horse, you would take it out back and shoot it and put it out of it’s misery.”
Bigger idiot.
A-Rod ends the momentum…again. C’mon, get the bats going!
He just can’t perform.
Time to move alex down the lineup.
Jeter
Swisher
Damon
Teixeira
Posada
Rodriguez
Cano
etc.
LOL Nick you didn’t like that joke. I thought it was terrible when I typed it.
The Nats can hit. I wouldn’t dare put Wang vs them.
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Saddest thing I’ve read in a while. Really…truly sad.
Very childish with the name calling too. She must have too much time on her hands in the unemployment ranks.
Alex needs a day off.
Maybe Arod needs another day off…
Donnie-
Can you meet Youkilis under the O’Neill banner instead? The butt shaking annoys me.
Or maybe Papelbum cause I don’t like his Zoolanderish “intense” stare.
AROD and Cano….rally killers
Yeah it’s really odd that Willis was diagnosed that way. Who knows if he even has anxiety? He’s a super outgoing guy, doesn’t seem like the type. However I don’t want to downplay it if he does in fact suffer from social anxiety disorder. Just seems a bit fishy to me and hardly a reason to go on the DL
ump is blind and retarded
No way was that a strike! it was in the other box.
Robbie was right to be upset by that. It was a bit outside. Sort of a generous call there.
another bad call..unreal
Patrick
The difference is, Wang has done it in every single start of the year. He has not had stuff and/or location in any start. He should not be in the rotation “figuring it out”
Robi arguing strikes ? I like it.
I HATE THIS UMP….come on.
Dude, if the freakin ump is gonna call out Cano on that, he needs to give Hughes those pitches. COME ON.
That pitch is not even in the same zip code as the strike zone..What an absolute joke…
Give us another run on the board Jorge
This ballpark is a Joke.
How was that a strike?
Another ball called a strike for a Yankees hitter. That pitch was 3 inches outside.
How can anyone deny that this umpiring is a joke? The Red Sox hitters aren’t getting that consistently called on them.
A-Rod and Cano what a duo……
For Sucking!!!
(right now: lets hope they get hot later on)
and now we have to deal with papelbum.
“Well back to back dingers should certainly shut Sutcliff’s big mouth……”
He’s horrendous. People complain about Joe Morgan – Sutcliffe is orders of magnitude worse.
He’s seriously pontificating on how charitable the sox are to investing in the area outside of fenway because they care about the community.
And chatting with Gammons about how a low A sally ball player is yet more proof of how Theo is a genius.
Or about how the yankees only hit home runs at the ridiculous yankee stadium.
If Teixeira bats behind Arod he will not see the same pitches he is now.
Not the way Cano has been swinging the bat lately.
Rachel
June 10th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
The Nationals can hit. The record is what it is because of their pitching not the hitting. So anyone that says pitch Wang against them to get him right is not a good way to look at it. They can smack him around just like any other team would. Hughes deserves to make Wang’s next start with the way he has pitched.
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i am not saying they can’t hit but wang for all we know might be close.
\the velocity is there & i have a feeling boston would of beat up on any one of our pitchers.
3 starts is fair.then send him down.
A-Rod sucks, enough said.
get rid of him
Another pitch that is not even close lol
With all these HRs, Ramon Ramirez must be a close cousin of Edwar
“I can’t recall a rivalry this one-sided, with one team so clearly afraid of and intimidated by the other.”
1919-2003?
“Saddest thing I’ve read in a while. Really…truly sad.”
It’s true, if you wanna be stupid then go ahead charge him up there vs the Nats offense.
Does the ump know where home plate actually is? Or is he just guessing? It seems that the outside of the plate for a lefty hitter is 6 inches further out for the ump than everyone else.
GGBG you are wrong that is all.
Wang’s stuff has improved every time out, please don’t be dumb.
Jeter
Swisher
Damon
Teixeira
Posada
Rodriguez
Matsui
Cano
Cabrera
this umpire’s strike zone looks like a voting district in Texas.
Georgie, juiced one!!! Let’s go boys, dinger now gives us the lead.
Nick in SF
:: rimshot :: Ba-dum-bum !
you know what, it will be sweeter if we win it against that piece of garbage they call a closer
Erica -
I aim to please.
Tex is unconscious right now.
Why the hell is Phil Coke warming up? Hughes is on a roll right now, let him pitch 1-2 more innings.
# Nick in SF June 10th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
“I can’t recall a rivalry this one-sided, with one team so clearly afraid of and intimidated by the other.”
1919-2003?
ouch
I’m not giving up on arod bc when he heats up…he will make tex’s month seem cold..
“Wang’s stuff has improved every time out, please don’t be dumb.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
“A-Rod and Cano what a duo……
For Sucking!!!”
Well, Cano gets a pass on that. The ump’s zone is confusing to the hitters, catchers, pitchers, other umps, managers, etc.
The strike zone tonight is a joke. If this was going both ways I wouldn’t be as upset, but Wang got NOTHING and Hughes has had some of these pitches we are getting called out on called balls.
The 3-1 pitch to Damon changed the entire complexion of the inning with Teixeira on deck and it would have been with the bases loaded too. Swisher’s error and baserunning blunder aside and we are winning this game right now.
They have to play smart baseball to win in Fenway Park, and they haven’t really done that much this series.
Patrick
If you think that was an improvement then I have nothing else to say to you. He was just as wild and just as hittable tonight as he has been all year, with his velocity up a tick.
Have a good night.
All right, Okagime is coming in. It’s only a matter of time before the league catches up with this guy. why not tonight?
Never mind Paplebon, that Bard kid a few at 100 MPH last night.
“Very childish with the name calling too. She must have too much time on her hands in the unemployment ranks.”
How’s your prediction looking now? I’m sure you’re trying to deflect attention away from your ridiculous post. Good try “Skipper.” Take your meds because the wah wah wambulance is on its way.
“However I don’t want to downplay it if he does in fact suffer from social anxiety disorder. Just seems a bit fishy to me and hardly a reason to go on the DL”
I agree. I’m in no way saying Willis doesn’t have some kind of mental health problem.
All I’m saying is that if you can DL a player for a problem which he adamantly denies he has then the “proof” bud selig requires to put a player on the DL isn’t really stringent.
Willis was throwing no differently than he was last year. Same velocity. Same awful command.
Hughes should be back out there for the 7th. He’s ROLLING right now.
Oh the name thing again. What a loser.
Carl, ordinarily I wouldn’t have minded that joke, but this is CC’s first baby. I mean, his first start in Fenway as a Yankee.
Japan stand up!
I thought Ramon Ramirez was doing a wonderful job
Teixeira is more then just “unconscious now” he’s just having an MVP type of year.
And it’s not even the second half. That’s when he gets even better.
If Girardi takes out Hughes he should be fired on the spot.
He is a starter who needs work. Why wouldn’t you let him throw 80 pitches and stay stretched out?
He has looked amazing tonight, and Phil Coke is TERRIBLE right now. Just because it’s a close game they’re going to bring in their “set up man?” This is why Girardi is a bad manager.
I thought we were getting a creative, different manager, and he is NO DIFFERENT than Torre. He manages so much by the book that he makes the wrong move in some OBVIOUS situations.
lol Nick
God I want to win.
All right, Okagime is coming in. It’s only a matter of time before the league catches up with this guy. why not tonight?
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yes 2 years later
Let’s go Godzilla! Bring him home!
I surprised those last 2 pitches werent called strikes…
“I can’t recall a rivalry this one-sided, with one team so clearly afraid of and intimidated by the other.”
1919-2003?
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But the effort was there nick and they put up a good fight finishing second alot. And dog gonit people felt sorry for them.
Can someone explain why Wakefield was taken out? It’s not like he’s been throwing hard. I thought knuckleballers could throw all day. Remember Wilbur Wood? He once started both ends of a DH.
I’m happy he was, but why?
“you know what, it will be sweeter if we win it against that piece of garbage they call a closer”
It’d be even more sweeter if we could win today & tomorrows game
The only true Yankee Killer is Alex Rodriguez.
Hughes is at 60 pitches, Girardi said they could let him go 80-85 today I think
Coke warming??? Eeek!
Aaarrrggghhh! The back-to-back blasts should have started something. But once A-Rod made that weak out, everything else fell into place.
Or strike out. At least we are within 1.
Warm Coke??? Yuck!!
we’re back in this thing
A-Rod is a great Yankee. If you’re calling A-Rod unclutch because of today’s game, than be fair and call Jeter unclutch.
PLEASE hit the Papelcrap!
Trish, Grow up and ignore posts if you don’t like them. The prediction still stands as we are LOSING by 1 run still. Yes we know the games not over but it probably is.
Damn, that curveball Okajima throws to lefties is one tough pitch.
What is it with Yankees hitters and “guessing” so much? They are looking incredibly foolish in hitters counts if they don’t get the pitch they are “looking for.”
What a terrible at bat by Matsui there. He threw him 2 hanging offspeed pitches right down the middle and he swung and missed at both of them. Why is he guessing fastball against a guy who throws dinky breaking balls and changeups all day and night?
The 3-2 pitch was 82 mph, right down the middle. How are you late on that pitch? What a pathetic at bat.
Good inning. Back in the game. Lets hold’em. Does Hughes come back out?
He is not putting Coke in, is he? Not with a Phil Hughes throwing so well and Aceves in the pen?
Stupid, stupid, stupid.
“Have a good night.”
You are a joke if you don’t notice the difference in Wang’s stuff between tonight and earlier in the season. His sinker is driving downwards and velocity is way up. It’s gone from sitting at 89 to sitting at 94-95. That’s more than a little bit.
As I acknowledged, his command was nonexistent tonight but his pure stuff was good.
I’m about to say something crazy, something that will be hard to comprehend but imagine this, imagine there was a world where our Yankees hit HRs with runners on base.
‘Wow Randy, thats super impressive. I didnt realize you were roomates with THE Rick Petersen. You guys both have a ton of time on youe hands, eh? Did you help him go for the mullet look?’
hey, you asked for my credentials.
i was just a bullpen catcher, but you’d be surprised what you can learn about pitching by catching . wang had command problems tonight. that’s fixable. he was throwing 95mph with ease. his sinker was dropping and moving.
he needs innings as CB has stated. if you want to add something to the conversation about different ways to do that great, but comments like
“Matt- you are hands down the most REATRDED poster in this place. Always have been, always will be.” don’t really add much to the baseball conversation.
Man did Theo hit the jackpot with Okajima. That changeup is nasty.
Watch Girardi bring in Veras..lol
A-Rod kills the momentum
He is a great player, except when it counts.
Now the Sox will get a couple of key insurance runs off of our awful pen
If Nady was healthy that’s a spot he could of pinch hit Matsui there. Since Nady kills lefty’s. Oh well.
If Omir Santos can hit Papelcrap, we could.
Thanks Donnie!!!
Just a thought, but is the name Hideki common like Michael in Japan?
Stuff or no stuff….wangs results are terrible and thats why he needs to be pulled from the rotation. there really is no question about it.
OMG What a play!!
SWISHER OMG
Swisher making up for that botched pop fly!!
swisher is redeeeeeemed
Nick,
Please edit your 1919-2003 to not include first borns.
Wow Swish.
Swisher!
Great Hughes back out
Swisher makes the hard play and boots the easy one. Go figure.
Guess Swisher can catch! Play of the game!
Swisher taketh away and Swisher giveth! GREAT PLAY!
Swisher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice man
swisher…
the man plays with my blood pressure.
Sit down, Lowell. I said SIT DOWN!!!
This seems like that first game at the stadium… we cut the lead to 1 but their bullpen shuts us down and never lets us push across the tying run.
Good teams do that. They have the best BP in baseball for a reason.
Yes he was awful when he hit that 3-2 pitch over the wall vs. the Phillies to tie the game. And in that other game w/the walk off HR.
Who told Swish he can field ?
“Trish, Grow up and ignore posts if you don’t like them. The prediction still stands as we are LOSING by 1 run still. Yes we know the games not over but it probably is.”
So let me get this straight. You post that I am annoying and can’t see the handwriting on the wall, and I’m the one who should grow up and ignore posts if I don’t like them?
You’re a riot!
Oh, he’s jolly ole’ St. Nick!! What a play!!
Damn I didn’t think he had any chance to catch that…I figured it will go past him and to the wall for a triple lol
no walks no walks no walks no walks
Max effort from Swish on that one.
What a catch by Swisher. Red Sox broadcasters are befuddled!
What determination by Swish. He willed that ball into his glove. He was going to try to make up for the earlier misplay one way or another. He tried diving into the stands, that didn’t work. Now this.
Nicky taketh away – and Nicky giveth back!
Patrick
Showing how much you know by devolving to name calling. Good night.
warm Coke…………..great..:(
Plays like that CAN turn momentum. These guys aren’t quitting. They want to win this game. Let’s hope they take it to the plate.
Why take him out now? He’s pitching so well. You gotta wonder with Girardi sometimes.
why is everyone saying arod sucks? are you out of your minds…what was Tex’s average before AROD gave him protection??? sigh…I’ll stop there
nice play by Swisher.
btw, just curious, but who in their right mind would pay 200 dollars for a brick?
Phil should be in the rotation instead of Wang. For whatever reason, Wang is just not the same pitcher he was.
@ Swish catch
From my tv, it looked like it was going toward the wall for a double or triple and all of a sudden Swisher comes running in from the right side of my screen and dives to catch it!
I know quite a bit the name calling is just for fun. Not really sure how that has any bearing on my knowledge of baseball.
Hughes is rolling and well within his pitch limit…Don’t like this one bit.
Show me the love Trish. Show me the love. At least I got a smiley out of you.
Girardi should just leave Hughes out there for the rest of the inning. No reason to make a move, especially when he is getting people out. Coke in this ballpark doesn’t look good. Ortiz is hitting 200 he doesn’t need his own pitcher to face him.
I see no reason for taking Hughes out of this game unless they feel that disuse has caused Hughes to lose some arm strength.
They don’t need to treat Papi like it’s 2007. They just need to stop with the ridiculous pattern of throwing every fastball inside to papi so he can guess and cheat on the fastball.
Hughes looked very good.
I guess Aceves just doesn’t exist.
I would pay $200 for a brick….if it was made of gold…
Man I wanted Hughes to get the win today.
Big Popup was sad looking on that one
Absolute bullpen domination. Hopefully, this shuts up all of the talking heads saying their pen is better cuz it’s not!
And here’s the sad part. There are posters here who will not be able to take any positives out of this game unless this ends in a W.
No standing O for Papi LOL
I was looking the other way during the catch.
Papi & wang in the depression club….
Coke is a freakin’ stud! Joe is really workin’ the pen like a master tonight.
Skipper – and here is my magnanimity. You’ve got the love.
Ortiz is the spiritual leader?
Maybe spirit is the missing ingredient in the blender.
I’m one of those bad posters who will take nothing out of this game if we lose.
Too little too late.
“As I acknowledged, his command was nonexistent tonight but his pure stuff was good.”
patrick-
you’re right. wang has moved forward. 95 mph says he getting healthy.
this is a painful process, but he’s making a lot of progress.
i don’t know how accurate gameday f/x is, but according to it ,his release point was down below 6′ for the first time this year. that’s where his arm slot was when he was right in past years.
too bad he has to build up innings at the mlb level.
GJ coke
Know what is funny about Ortiz??
He was flat out waivered by Minnesota for sucking when Boston picked him up- then all of a sudden he magically became a giant hitter
Coke: Can’t beat the real thing
Saito and papelbum warming up, we have mo, and ace left
Too bad we have to see Papelbum in the 9th with that ugly face of his…
“I would pay $200 for a brick….if it was made of gold…”
Cracks me up
Why not PH Pena?
God please bless the lohud blog and give the Yankees this one win. In your name we pray. Amen.
The lohud prayer.
continue to chip away
my rally cap is still on
randy – you really think Wang had an encouraging outing? Granted, his velocity was good, but his control was erratic, K’ing two hitters in that one inning, I think Youk and Bay, and then walking people. Do you think he only needs innings?
Know what is funny about Ortiz??
He was flat out waivered by Minnesota for sucking when Boston picked him up- then all of a sudden he magically became a giant hitter
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nothin funny about PEDs
“Absolute bullpen domination. Hopefully, this shuts up all of the talking heads saying their pen is better cuz it’s not!”
I’m with ya.
And I want this game bad, not because I think it’s an indication of anything terrible if we don’t get it but because that butt head behind the plate hurt us as much as anything. I am never pleased when the umpire turns into the 10th player! Yeah he called some bad ones for them too but he killed us when we had runners on base.
I’m gonna buy a brick so I can toss it thru my TV the next time Veras walks the 1st guy he faces…..
Aside from a fluke HR to the Mets backup catcher that needed a replay… Papelbum has been lights out
Get the lead now, or is it is over.
Erica
Eventually they will find out it was chemically enhanced. No doubt in my mind.
trisha – sorry i dont share your rosy outlook on this game.
0 for alot w/ RISP
baserunning gaffe
costly error
brutal starting pitching
I don’t see a positive. Even Hughes threw ALOT of pitches, and gave up a 2 run shot.
“Erica – newly OPPC
June 10th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Know what is funny about Ortiz??
He was flat out waivered by Minnesota for sucking when Boston picked him up- then all of a sudden he magically became a giant hitter”
Steroids?
Believe it or not we come back here.
“who in their right mind would pay 200 dollars for a brick?”
Jethro Tull.
“too bad he has to build up innings at the mlb level.”
This is the problem. They handled his AAA stint horribly. But even then I’m not sure if the full 30 days would have been enough.
Wang and Alex are in similar spots. They both look like they’re playing at spring training levels while everyone else on the field is in June condition.
I was hoping that things would just “click” for Wang but now it’s simply an issue of leg strength and arm strenght.
And those things don’t “click.” They require time, work and innings.
They are very lucky that they have the luxury of having Hughes (and Aceves…)
You can’t call scoring five runs the offense’s fault. IF we lose.
AMEN!!
Come Swish do it at the plate too
Blog Poster
Hughes pitched about 4 IP and was at 63 pitches. That’s not ALOT of pitches. And he looked GREAT doing it – home run notwithstanding.
“I’m one of those bad posters who will take nothing out of this game if we lose.
Too little too late.”
That makes me feel sad for you.
GGBG & Rob-
I would never accuse someone of that unless they were actually caught, but we are seeing a very sad, suspicious time for baseball. And you really need to wonder if maybe him and Manny were sharing. Unfortunately, I wouldn’t be surprised
Here we go, Yankees!
Here we go!
(CLAP)
(CLAP)
Lead off walk! Let’s get something going boys!
Don’t worry trisha.
Remember I’m incoherent now.
Pinch run Gardner.
Pinch Runner – Gardner?
Yup.
Given Wang’s performance and Hughes’ performance tonight – is it again worth it to give Wang more starts to see if he can get back to his “vintage” self or just move on to Hughes? Has Wang shown improvement since his last start?
Steal asap pls
Gardy…make it happen.
Gardner’s gotta be going at some point here.
Typically the 8th…
Lately, Pinstripes ply their trade…
The comeback begins…
The probability of scoring a run with a man on first and no outs is higher than the probability of scoring a run with a man on second and one out.
Let’s see what they do.
Let me guess Gardner won’t run early in the count. Then the famous DP.
A swisher walk just as ordered
Sweet. Gardner will be on 2nd in about 11 seconds
Steal THEN bunt
melky with one of the worst bunt attempts i’ve seen
GGBG – good point.
And damn good to see you standing on 1st base!
Bunt?
is oky a tough guy to steal on?
Please GGBG don’t get caught or doubled off.
wang to the bullpen….hughes to the rotation….its an easy call
Jeter my man, you are so due
well…time for the top of the lineup (jeter) to come through
Steal third now.
game on.
Come on Jeter!
I’m not liking the sac bunt here. A stolen base would’ve been better. I dunno…
dumb bunt once again
when will girardi learn
Bunting with Gardner in the game makes no sense whatsoever.
Why not give gardner a crack at stealing the base? Okajima is so slow to the plate and Melky has been great with RISP.
Where is Angel Berroa when you need him?
Straight up steal, dammit. Forget the bunt. Melkman is clutchy this year.
too much bunting
why not let gardner attempt a steal?
Can someone explain why bunt there and why not risk stealing?
Blog Poster, the Yankees have come back and are within a run. Hughes came out of the pen and did a stupdenous job despite that one jack. Coke was masterful.
Those, my friend, are what you call positives. You will always be able to find dog crap if you keep your eyes focused downward.
I’m sorry but that was a stupid move, you bring in GGBG to bunt him over
Come on Captain. Be the hero. SAve us
lol at Jeter going 0-5. He doesn’t do that kinda stuff.
Jeter has been VERY anxious at the plate tonight. I’m not entirely sure why.
Come on Cap!
jeter having a bad series….lets see if he can come up big.
I never understand why Girardi puts Gardner in to pinch run but calls for a bunt. If Gardner isn’t going to steal, why take Swisher out?
Maybe Gardner can steal 3B off the lefty here.
Well at least he got the job done. Hopefully Jeter will actually have some patience in this at bat.
Does Derek Jeter have a date after the game? First pitch swing again
Right, ltet the most clutch hitter on the team bunt someone ovr who could’ve stolen anyway.
Smart.
gave up the clutch bat for what? should have had gardner steal..
“who in their right mind would pay 200 dollars for a brick?”
A brick of what?
stealing third doesn’t help you now.
not with 1 out.
God, how I hate bunting there.
Speedy runner at 1st, down a run in the 8th. LET HIM STEAL. Even if he gets caught, you’re still one swing from tying it. And if he makes it (more likely), then maybe you bunt him to third so a fly ball/ground ball brings him in with a great contact guy in Jeter at the plate.
Jesus, Girardi drives me nuts with bad fundamental baseball sometimes.
Might as well kept Swisher in if you’re not going to let Gardner steal.
Can someone explain why bunt there and why not risk stealing?
the only thing i can think of is left handed pitcher.
Jeter’s gonna yank one off the Monster here.
Definitely. They’ve fought back – not out of this yet.
Come on Jee-tah!!
Terry Francona looks like Ben Franklin
Good call on the bunt, playing for the tie on the road in the 8th inning against a team with a better bullpen. That’s baseball 101 right there.
terrible
Good Christ almighty, that was a bad AB for Jeter.
Damn…missed the one he wanted
Horrible at bat by Jeter. He doesn’t look like himself at the plate. Come on Damon.
There goes Jeter failing again.
This is why Melky swings, and Jeter bunts.
trisha –
I’m looking down and I see Jeter.
ugh. Ok Damon, you get to show the Red Sox what they gave up, be a hero!
He’s cheating with that spit ball he’s throwing.
aaaaaaaaaaaaand thats why you don’t bunt
Jeet strikes out.
But he’s clutch and A-Rod isn’t.
and jeter k’s… out of damon, jeter, and melky. melk was probably the most likely to hit
and the ever-useful derek jeter goes 0-for-5.
feh – jeter was bleah.
Oh Jetes. Not what the doctor ordered there.
Passing the baton to Damon.
bunting Melky once again stupid move your on the road
Someone please explain why you would sacrifice there and give up an out???
“Good call on the bunt, playing for the tie on the road in the 8th inning against a team with a better bullpen. That’s baseball 101 right there.”
Check Melky’s numbers against Okajima. As I recall, he’s not particularly great against him. That may have been a lesser of two evils kind of thing.
anybody else notice that little brat screaming yankees suck behind the plate? Somebody needs a timeout!
Why are you swinging at a ball in the dirt? Why? Come on Johnny bring him home!
“Can someone explain why bunt there and why not risk stealing?”
Cook book managing? “Fundamental” baseball at it’s very worse.
One of the things that makes bunting so bad in that spot is that if the steal is successful you almost guarantee that Tex gets up with a guy on base.
If Giradri called that bunt – which it looked like – just horrible managing.
this is the guy you want up
Why did the Yankees pinch-run if they planned to bunt? What is Girardi doing? The only reason to pinch-run Gardner is if you want him to score from 1st on an XBH or you want him to steal.
Is Girardi becoming Torre?
DAMN
JUST MISSED!
Why take Swisher out if your to sacrifice?
rough as hell game for jeter..hes been clutch so much though..hard to get on him…come on johnny!!!
UGH. Tough break. I wouldn’t be shocked if Johnny K’ed here. He’s zoned, and gonna swing.
Derek is simply too over aggressive in his approach tonight…Unusual for him…
Damn another bad Jeter at bat. Swung at 2 pitches that are not strikes. Bringing Gardner into the game if he is not going to steal really doesn’t make much sense. I guess the move is so Gardner can score from 2nd on a double. But if a player has that much speed he should be stealing a base.
Terrible swing by Jeter. He has been brutal this series.
Also, would it kill the Yankees to bring Tex up with some runners on base? Seems like he either leads off innings or comes up with 2 outs/nobody on.
im going to be sick
Melky has been one of the most clutch players on the team this year and he bunts? Ridiculous. Gardner could have just stolen 2nd and we would have 3 outs to drive him in.
should’ve let melky swing
Shut em down here and take our shot with Tex and ARod vs. Papelbon in the 9th.
Poorly managed and poorly executed.
Sucky baseball.
…just like that. All on Tex and Alex now.
tex and arod to hit papelbon. Im calling it
Girardi is a dope
That was craptastic.
alright, we’ll have to do it off papshmear. Hold them here Coke or whomever.
This game is going to come down to Robi Cano
jeter sucks… this sucks they just can’t do crap! They shouldn’t have sacrifced him over.
“The probability of scoring a run with a man on first and no outs is higher than the probability of scoring a run with a man on second and one out.”
cb-
i know the average runs scored is higher ( markov theory) but is the number of times one run is scored actually higher?
I really hate that park. UGH.
At least the big bats will be facing papelscum.
Girardi, the bunt was LAME.
can’t catch a break..I knew that was going foul..
well….Here comes papelbum.
Didn’t look like Gardner was able to figure out Okijima’s move. Cabrera already had one strike on him and heading for first on the pitch.
Bad at bat at Damon. That was ball 3. He was swinging for the fences. All we needed was a walk or a single to score the tying run and Tex was up behind him who has been locked in all night.
Murphy’s Law June 10th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Jeet strikes out.
But he’s clutch and A-Rod isn’t.
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Not lately. Get rid of Jeter now. He’s useless.
Pathetic. Im sorry but that is a horrible job of managing. Why pinch run if you arent going to let him steal? i dont have a problem bunting but let him take second so that way when u do bunt, a fly ball can get him in. absolutely horrid
blew it…this game cant end like this…it just cant
This game was lost by Girardi.
Idiot if Gardy steals Tex is up w/men on!
Hopefully they can knock Papelscum off the mound w/ that stupid look on his face.
That’s ok – it will be more fun winning it off Paplebon anyway.
CB, you and I agree for a change. Terrible managing. That’s twice Girardi has pinch-run with Gardner and no one out only to use the batter to bunt. Stupid Stupid Stupid. Swisher could have stayed in the game if they intended to bunt. Then they could have save Gardner for the 9th to steal against Jerklejohn.
“Is Girardi becoming Torre?”
Becoming? Giradi was supposed to be the anti-torre. the guy who is innovative, creative and aggressive.
Girardi is fine as a manager but he’s absolutely by the book.
Like I wrote above – the probability of scoring a run with a man on first and no outs is higher than the probability of scoring with a man on second and one out.
But Girardi loves bunting. Loves it.
6 outs left? against a great bullpen. hmmm lets give up close to 20% of the outs or at bats left for…. 2 ks and a man stranded. c’mon girardi you should be better than that.
Maybe Melky was bunting on his own? It’s a good baseball move on its own but it doesn’t make sense to pinch run and do that. Girardi would know that, Melky probably wouldn’t.
Jeter 2 for his last 24. Alex and him slumping together.
if your going to gamble let the most clutch hitter on the team tie or get the lead there.
I agree completely with Pete. Why is Gardner on the team if he can’t steal in that situation? You give up an out AND Swisher to get Gardner to second. Stupid, Girardi. Stupid.
“tex and arod to hit papelbon. Im calling it”
You mean charge the mound and pound him with their bats?
““who in their right mind would pay 200 dollars for a brick?”
Ben Folds.
WOW. Bunt killed that inning.
1) why play for the tie?
2) why show bunt on the first pitch?
3) why not see if Gardner can steal? isn’t that why he put Gardner in there?
4) why not let Okajima work himself into trouble, and force them to bring in Pap early?
only the fools will blame girardi for this game…maybe the bunt wasnt the best idea but he had jeter and damon to try to get a hit..not the worst idea…mental miscues hurt them today and not hitting…not girardi
CB, Especially with a sinker ball guy on the mound…..
Well, one more shot in the 9th if they can keep them scoreless here.
Girardi more head scratching moves. I’m assuming Gardner is in to steal?
But never got to chance because Girardi decides to bunt? With one of the hottest Yankees up?
Brilliant!
Well, I was an advocate for moving Joba to the pen because I thought we had 5 solid starters. Wang is done. Perhaps he didn’t forget how to pitch but the league caught up to him, All he does is throw 1 pitch and everyone figured it out.
This loss (and many others) is on Girardi. First for allowing Wang to be back in rotation without being ready.
2nd – why pinch run Gardner and bunt him to 2nd???
LET HIM TRY AND STEAL 2ND and then bunt him to 3rd. Terrible managing from Girardi once again.
ugh that disgusting handicap wall
So Joe says Phil can go 85 and he takes him out? I don’t get it at all – is he purposely trying NOT to stretch out Phil ? Obviously I don’t believe that, but Joe is going to come up with some half-baked excuse – oh, it’s COKE’s job to get the lefty out. Why can’t he show any faith in Phil? I’m pissed off at Joe.
Aceves to poach another win tonight.
Jeter show up for this series?
Clutch hitting has nothing to do wit. You score five runs it’s not your offense’s fault, Girardi has to let Tex have a shot to tie it. Moron.
wit is with it.
At least ace is consistent.
Bunting without even trying to steal leads to Oky against Damon. If Gardners steals, then the bunt, I bet Paps comes in earlier. Girardi took the bat away from Melky, wasted Gardner’s best offensive weapon, and set up the matchup to favor the Sox. Over managing. Again.
Maybe Jeter should have Alex over for a Slumper Party.
Sorry – couldn’t resist.
“i know the average runs scored is higher ( markov theory) but is the number of times one run is scored actually higher?”
The number is actually higher.
One of the strange things about baseball statistics is that there’s no sampling.
We have the empirical outcomes for every play and situatio.
So those probabilities are based on all of the data – not simply data from a projection or model.
Bunting there decreases your chances to score. That’s a fact.
How do we know Okajima wouldn’t have walked melky? We don’t becuase melky gave boston a gift.
The yankees have 6 outs and they readily give one up to boston on their own volition.
Tell me again why the Dunkin’ Munchin’ was MVP last year? I”m not seeing it. Never have. Never will.
>Jeter show up for this series?
Well, let’s just say, he’s had *A LOT* of opportunities to catch up with red sox players.
Does anyone know the dimensions of the LF wall? It seems like it is less than 300 feet away. Which is why all of their batters aim for it.
I agree. WHY WHY WHY is melky bunting there. Let gardner try to swipe one, or at least hit and run or do something creative. Melky has been clutch late in games.
Highly doubt we hit Papelbon.
That bunt was to avoid the DP, but I only saw it as an automatic out, nothing less. Jeter hasn’t been clutch as of late and went after bad pitches that should have put him on base via a walk. Damon almost did something good but then decided to also strike out so Jeter wouldn’t feel so bad.
“jeters useless, get rid of him now”. Idiotic post of the night?
I will say this…if we get a man on second, we better score him, because I will punch an infant if I have to watch Papelbon do one of his excessive fist pump celebrations.
One the strike one pitch to Cabrera, Gardner was heading back to first base, and on the pickoff throws he took a stutter step to 2nd. Gardner wasn’t reading that move at all, and you sure don’t want Cabrera down 0-2 in the count.
Jeter must be using his Louisville Struggler….
How come our guys can’t hit doubles off the Green Monster?
One. More. Out.
Papelsmear’s approach to our hitters next inning:
Here try to hit it…..here try and hit it
Why walk drew…
i would think that gardner can steal second at the same rate that melky could bunt him over, so i don’t see the point in the bunt at all.
a bunt is not automatic.
if gardner’s speed is going to be a weapon, it’s got to be used.
come on with this walk bull****
“Maybe Jeter should have Alex over for a Slumper Party.”
That’s actually pretty funny.
Damn ump. Cano stuck out looking on that same 3-2 pitch.
Fenway is a joke..The Big Green Dumpster
A-Rod would be such a hero if he homers.
Even Aceves is having trouble figuring out this Red Sox lineup. Whats up with that?
“Becoming? Giradi was supposed to be the anti-torre. the guy who is innovative, creative and aggressive.”
You imply he is tantamount to Torre?
But the thing of it is, Girardi was infinitely superior to Torre last year in using statistics and numbers to make decisions, a methodology Torre scorned.
I can’t fathom why, if the numbers are what you cite, CB– why Girardi wouldn’t know them and why his decision wouldn’t incorporate their conclusion.
Pinch Running Gardner and THEN BUNTING makes no sense. The right choice is the former, the latter is arguable, doing both is indefensible.
Arod is going to get abused by Papelbum’s fastball in the 9th ining. A Tex homerun is probably the Yanks only chance against that ugly animal.
Tom in N.J. June 10th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
“who in their right mind would pay 200 dollars for a brick?”
A brick of what?
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Apparently its a brick from monument park. But a brick is a brick. 200 dollars? get real.
Sutcliff is a moroon…..Facing Jason Bay with the bases juiced is not an option you putz….
Donnie – Will Meet Youkilis and Papelbon Under the O’Neill Banner
June 10th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
I will say this…if we get a man on second, we better score him, because I will punch an infant if I have to watch Papelbon do one of his excessive fist pump celebrations.
*****
Well, then the Yankees better win. I am very against punching babies
come on Alfredo sauce
“Bad at bat at Damon. That was ball 3. He was swinging for the fences. All we needed was a walk or a single to score the tying run and Tex was up behind him who has been locked in all night.”
He had the best AB out of anyone there. You wanna call out a bad AB Jeter had the worst, a flyball would have been nice.
Get us out of this Aceves
i would not mind in the least being at a jeter arod sleepover.
Smart move Girardi. Give away an out and have the most clutch hitter on the team bunt after you pinch ran a hot hitter for a faster runner for no real reason. Genius.
Uh, that wasn’t a strike??????
Sort of makes you wonder why somebody would keep track of a slumping player’s numbers but ignore one that doing even worse.
Dude, just HIT youk and pitch to the next guy. He is freaking on top of the plate.
Aceves brings guile…
Poker-faced, inscrutable…
Intent on winning…
Is it wrong i kind of wish Ace would hit Youk in the butt????
There is something seriously wrong with Youkilis. Seriously, no human being should ever sweat that much. He needs to get checked out.
This is what I want to see right here baby. This is Baseball.
Wow very strange. They were speaking where they were going to throw it. So where are the soxs stealing signs from? I’m not surprised. But will anyone investigate?
“Uh, that wasn’t a strike??????”
The ump has sucked big time.
Sutcliffe is an idiot
Lets hope it doesn’t come down to Cano.
okay okay OKAAAY!
PAPELSCUM IS CRUISIN’ FOR A BRUISIN’ HERE.
Yankees will win this game!
I wish you could have all heard that FOOL OF FOOL, Orsillo’s home run call that wasn’t!
How I hate that guy.
He’s going right at us.. he will not be messing around..96mph of gas
Stultus- we are soooo thinking alike. See my 10:15 post
Well at least we made it interesting, baby steps, baby steps.
lol Alfredo Sauce.
Tex and Arod give us a shot in the ninth. Lets go!!
Rob Thompson
You know what they say when people sweat that much. ROIDS!! Look at the size of his head. All the symptoms.
At least we can say we played em tough this time whatever the outcome.
>i would not mind in the least being at a jeter arod sleepover.
Well if you’re looking for DP, that’s where you’ll find it.
Ace is a keeper.We need Bruney back too
Papelscums gotta face Tex, A-rod and Cano. Should be a pretty good half inning here.
I’m channeling my inner Trisha here and thinking positive for the top of the 9th.
Papelbon has been wild.
At least we’ve got Tex coming up. Maybe Arod is finally due.
if tex doesnt hit a homerun or a triple, we are screwed.
June 10th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Is it wrong i kind of wish Ace would hit Youk in the butt????
Definitly not!
“You score five runs it’s not your offense’s fault, ”
Boston averages scoring 6 runs per game at home.
“Arod is going to get abused by Papelbum’s fastball in the 9th ining. A Tex homerun is probably the Yanks only chance against that ugly animal.”
SAdly I agree. Al has had a slow bat tonight, only chance he has is if Papelscum hangs one.
Come on Tex…You’re on fire right now…time to break Papelbon.
Erica,
Me too. I really don’t WANT to do it. And seriously, a tie that knocks him out of the game would suffice. I mean, I’d like a win, but with the way we started out, I don’t expect it. I DO, however, expect CC to bring his best stuff tomorrow.
He throws Tex a high fastball and this game is tied.
The key thing here is to not be overaggressive. Papelbon will probably be riled up, and he has not had sharp command all season. The Yankees can’t be swinging at pitches out of the strike zone against Papelbon.
well, i’m happy we made this game somewhat respectable, but it’s hard to win when your starter goes less than 3 innings both games. let’s see what happens.
“This is what I want to see right here baby. This is Baseball.”
what are you dane cook?
“Stultus- we are soooo thinking alike. See my 10:15 post”
Yes we are, you shouldn’t feel bad. I wanted the pitch in the direction of his spine.
Ok, moving away from the computer now. It’s go time. Pound PAPELSCUM
CB, then the pitchers have done bad at Fenway.
Like oil and water…
Pinstripes and Papelbon mix…
Yankee pride rises…
Please lay off the high FBs.
We. Are. Winning. This. Game.
Here we go.. Papelbon doing his Zoolander “blue steel”
This is exactly where A-Rod had the huge home run against Papelbon last year. I’m just afraid he can’t get around on his heat at this stage of his recovery.
Blog Poster – that’s sweet.
I’m praying here, believe me.
Looks like everything someone in red throws is a strike. Everything someone in grey throws is a ball.
The Red Sox pitchers are getting all the high pitches called strikes.
Should be 2-0 right now…
ump is unbelievable
cb -
some other time when you get a chance to get into it, tell me the numbers on how may times at least one run is scored in the two situations.
i knew the total number of runs scored was more with the runner on first and no outs, but i have never seen anything that tells the number of times one run is scored.
Game Over.
Ugh. Bad time to decide to have a crappy AB, Tex.
Donnie – Will Meet Youkilis and Papelbon Under the O’Neill Banner
June 10th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Erica,
Me too. I really don’t WANT to do it. And seriously, a tie that knocks him out of the game would suffice. I mean, I’d like a win, but with the way we started out, I don’t expect it. I DO, however, expect CC to bring his best stuff tomorrow.
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hahaha.. as long as you don’t really WANT to punch the babies
again espn no research. tex has 19 homeruns not 18.
LUCKY! Just got on top of that one and drove it into the ground.
Erica – nice Zoolander reference!
A-Rod earn your 28 million dollars!!!!!!
That was a big out.
AAANNDDD that’s the game.
We had a nice shot, but unfortunately Boston follow’s Murphy’s law.
Boy does Kay sound depressed.
God I hope I’m wrong.
Alex shut the haters up!
I really wonder if teams…cough, cough Boston pay the umpires sometimes. The strike calls are just unbelieveable..
WE’ll win tomorrow.
But tonight sucks.
Oh no, Damon and Jeter were laughing in the dugout!
can arod come through?
love thr sox fans cheering about steroids. remind them about manny
they should also be chanting “manny did steroids”
steroids chant…original
Shut em up!
What are they chanting? “You took steroids”?
Seriously, Boston? I mean, SERIOUSLY?
what are they chanting?
You Do Steroids…
classy crowd.
never knew WASPs could be so rude.
“You do steroids.” You keep it classy Boston fans.
“You used steroids” chant
I love how Flaherty says best swing tonight. Arod can’t hit that pitch even if he tried.
What trash.
Thanks Blog Poster!
He totally does that face
come on Arod
I’m still shaking my head about Joe taking out Phil. I don’t get it. Phil is going to be unavailable for a few days no matter what, so why not stretch him out when he can go 85? Joe is way too obsessed with the lefty/righty thing and he’s going to start pissing off some of his pitchers.
“Ooo! I gawt it! Let’s do a steroids chant! It’ll be a wicked pissah!”
yawn.
whatever happens with this game I just hope that the “you do steroids” chant makes it back to NY when Papi is at bat
Arod should have walked on 4 pitches by now.
A-Rod’s gotta DO SOMETHING in this situation to shut up the fans and humble Papelbon. Otherwise they’re getting more ammo to use on him tomorrow.
In my wildest dreams we would chant that to Papi at Yankee Stadium.
Sadly, that will never happen.
We’ve priced out the rudeness.
The broadcasters sound so downcast.
I hate these games.
Please Alex, I have the crow ready to eat.
Glass houses Sox fans. Glass houses.
They’re chanting “hit one out”….atleast I am.
I hope A-Rod shuts them up.. NOW
Ugh. That was a good pitch to hit, Alex. Not expecting much here.
Is the crowd talking to Arod or Ortiz? At least Arod can still hit not like the other guy.
Splitter is coming
That was the one pitch he was going to get…maybe next week he catches up to that one.
Randy I, Especially playing for the tir on the road……Then again Giradi has to roll the dice with Jtere & Damon coming up with 1 out and the tying run on 2nd
UPDATE, 10:22 p.m.: Crowd chanting something about steroids to Alex. Apprently it’s Oblivious Hyprocrites Night here at Fenway.
Nothing wrong with the strike zone to me.
I think we’re all whining.
“I can’t fathom why, if the numbers are what you cite, CB—why Girardi wouldn’t know them and why his decision wouldn’t incorporate their conclusion.”
I’ve never been struck by Girardi as being a statistically oriented manager.
I’ve seen no evidence for that. It seems to me that he’s an very conservative, very by the book manager.
The bunts are a perfect example of that. There’s been statistical analysis ad nauseum on how bunting as a whole decreases your probability of scoring.
Yet Girardi bunts about as much if not more than most managers in the AL.
Loves the bunt.
I think people were projecting an identity onto Girardi that defined him as being the opposite of Torre.
I’ve seen little evidence for that.
take your base. Can Alex still steal?
A-Rod is so happy he walked
Great ab…walk is just as good as a hit
well… he can walk… he still does that well.
GJ Alex. Man how do you hold up and don’t swing with all that pressure.
YES!! It is on, baby!
Taking A-rod out is pretty dumb…
Come on robbie. Be our savior. Lets Go Pena
woooo that was anti-climatic. Im sweating so much right now and this game is pretty meaningless. How did i survive the 03 and 04 alcs?
So will Cano’s at bat last more then 1 pitch? lol
Hey Joe have Cano bunt Pena over
That was actually GERAT discipline on Alex’s part. Nice job.
And if Robbie swings on the first pitch and GIDPs, so help me Jesus…
Finally Pena is in the game and we can wiiiiinnnnnn!
Nice patient at-bat. Robbie will hit a mistake!!
Cano DP?
What is it with this team and swinging at the first pitch???? Didn’t ARod just walk? TAKE A PITCH!
Pena? Good second guess here is Gardner would have been better if saved.
Its a shame that cheep will never get replicated in the new joke of a stadium… thats more depressing than anything else
Cano..deposit that in pesky pole area please.
Oh look Cano swinging at everything
Can-Do. Can-Do.
Hit one here please Robbie
Correction, he may start pissing of Phil. The kid wants to pitch, let him pitch………
They keep missing good pitches to hit. And wow, Pena is a gutsy call.
Cano, what did I say about being overaggressive?? Papelbon isn’t exactly pounding the strikezone.
Another pitch that Cano could never hit….
a nice placed double will tie the game.
GJ PENA
“i knew the total number of runs scored was more with the runner on first and no outs, but i have never seen anything that tells the number of times one run is scored.”
randy,
as I understand it it is the probability of scoring any runs. The outsome is binary – score at least one run/ don’t score.
So I’m pretty sure it’s scoring any runs and not the total number of runs. But I could be mistaken.
Good steal by Pena.
SB!
wow what a play by Little-Bit-Of-Luck
Man I hate Pedroia, he always seems to make the right play
ok just a freakin single now.
phew
UGH! G.D. IT! I HATE YOU PEDROIA FOR PERFORMING YOUR JOB AT A HIGH LEVEL!
COME ON ROBBY!
Nice job, Pena!!!
All we need is a hit Cano
Pena is lucky. He isn’t even that fast…
Gardner are you watching
And right on cue, Sutcliffe munching on mighty mouse’s junk…
This is getting worse and worse as the odds of a loss get more and more heartbreaking.
Nice stolen base, although it probably just postpones the inevitable.
big surprise
jorgie to do this?
haha! i like pena. Come on Posada
Cano swings at a ball, what’s new?
nice job robbie
over-powering
awesome, didnt see that coming.
great job Cano.
That’s why Papelbon is the best in the game. And Robbie sucks in the clutch. What was he swinging at?
Cano grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
ugh
How I hate Don Orsillo. I wish he’d get hit in his fat yap with a hardball.
Great. Wonderful. If Jorgie can’t come through…then everyone get ready for this d-bag to dance like a freakin’ moron. Can’t STAND that guy.
Isn’t that the same pitch Cano struck out on the last time he faced Papelbon? I don’t get what’s so special about that head-high fastball!
I am glad Cano swung at 3 pitches that weren’t strikes. His at bats are just plain pathetic.
papelbon is not the best in the game
what a joke
cano swinging like he’s blindfolded
Its up to Jorge. He can be clutch.
Cano is infuriating.
Cano is infuriating.
Nice little bloop to center between the CF and 2B will do the trick – sound familiar?
Joke of a strike.
Tex’s friend, not in history, but right now definitely, and MAYBE K-Rod.
I can see Papelbon doing meth in the offseason…that seems like something he wold enjoy
Thats a strike LOL
At least this guy is consistent in calling that ball a strike…
this ump is all over the map.
Well, I’ll give him this, he’s been calling that outside corner all night. At least he’s consistently terrible.
What a gift from the ump
ANOTHER TERRIBLE CALL…this ump is absurd
This UMP
wow
this ump needs to be sent down to work on his mechanics
“Not even close. What’s he looking at? But we’ll take it!”
Eck
Yes, Rob. Remember it well.
zzz swung at ball 4
Might as well walk Jorge and bring up Matsui, he can’t hit at all right now.
Wow this loss looks to be heartbreaking.
this is it
Alright, off to find an infant…
It seems like we fouled away every late inning good pitch we had to hit
Yep, this was heartbreaking.
The better team won.
Just…missed…it
congratulations
0-7
Yankees lose by Swisher’s error and baserunning blunder.
This team beats itself, plain and simple.
WAAAAAAAAAH!
terrible game. 0-7 now
7 in a row thanks Wang.
)#@*U)@#U)(U$Q#)U$+(U@$
help us, Ernie Palladino.
Why would a city embrace a song that talks about it’s dirty water supply – silly!
seaon over……sike. well, the yankees need one and get out of dodge.
damn, damn, damn, i thought that was a green dumpster cheapie…
Good night all.
““Not even close. What’s he looking at? But we’ll take it!”
Eck”
i have a horse face.
Trisha
This game should have never gotten to this point.
That misplay by Swisher was horrendous. A complete gift of a run to the Sox.
Terrible mistake on his part. The single worst mistake in this game by anyone other than Wang.
His nice play in no way “made up” for that blunder.
i cant get over this ump…..worst i have ever seen….yanks lost this game themselves but they sure got no help from the ump
Yankees didn’t lose that game. The umpire lost it for them.
Well here’s the good news. We take tomorrow, which we will, we still leave tied for first.
WRETCHED job of umpiring.
not as deflating as last night, but REALLY close.
not sure why I subject myself to these games.
>Yankees lose by Swisher’s error and baserunning blunder.
swisher gave up a 2-run shot to youkilis.
Yes, Matt.
That happens sometimes when you lose.
CC will not let it be a sweep. He absolutely will not. He knows what he was brought here to do, and he’s got too much pride to roll over. If we lose tomorrow, it won’t be because CC didn’t turn in a good performance. I’d bet money on that.
“Might as well walk Jorge and bring up Matsui, he can’t hit at all right now.”
What are you talking about? Jorge got a HR remember? Where was Jeter and Alex tonight?
Donnie – Will Meet Youkilis and Papelbon Under the O’Neill Banner
June 10th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
Alright, off to find an infant…
****
Go easy on the babies
Boy this really sucked.
Winning tomorrow wouldn’t even help. It’d feel like a loser’s consolation prize.
Next time we play the Sox we should bunt every pitch and throw meatballs just so we could end the series as fast as possible. Don’t worry about winning, no matter how hard we try the Sox have Murphy’s law on their side.
Stupid play of the game: The Melky bunt.
How many times is Posada going to hit deep flyballs to left/left-center? He doesn’t have enough opposite field power to do that.
Bad loss, here. The Yankees had a chance to win this game. Got the leadoff batter on base in the 8th and 9th inning and couldn’t even get him to 3B with the big hitters up.
Seven in a row…
To a team that dealt the Babe…
Hope rests with CC…
This team is batting what in the .130′s with RISP against the RS?
Besides the pitching that pretty much tells the story: 0-7.
Well at least they made it interesting in the 9th. Cano’s at bat in the 9th is exactly why he can’t bat 5th. If I was Girardi I would beat the crap out of him and tell him he better learn and swing at freakin strikes. His at bats are just so poor. If Matsui is swinging the bat decently he and Posada have to bat 5th and 6th. Cano either swings at the 1st pitch or just anything in sight. Its enough already.
UPDATE, 10:22 p.m.: Crowd chanting something about steroids to Alex. Apprently it’s Oblivious Hyprocrites Night here at Fenway.
Hahahaha. Even though I am struggling to contain laugh, between that and Donnie talking about the dancing idiot I can’t control it. CC needs to bring more than his A game tomorrow.
Not much to be happy about except Phil, and that is tainted by cluless Joe’s handling of him.
Sox are a much better team. Period. Yankees didn’t deserve a win – they played a dreadful game in every aspect.
0-7 – sorry, that is embarrassing any way you slice it. The Sox beat this team any which way they want to.
Again, at least Phil pitched well – he’s making some extremely positive strides. I guess he’ll get some blame for giving up the runs that made it 6-3, but not from me. I love this kid’s moxie – too bad Girardi is clueless, completely clueless
Damn.
Postives: Tex big game at the plate, good bullpen gave club a chance, Yanks fought to stay in the game and unfortunately camp up short. 5 runs will win most games
CC needs to stop the bleeding tomorrow.
Cano can’t hit with RISP and swings at pitches that aren’t even strikes. Dude show some patience for once. SHEESH.
“Stupid play of the game: The Melky bunt.”
actually that’s the smartest play, since Oki is a LH and he couldn’t read his move. You wanna blame anybody blame Wang. Disrupted everything we were building on.
We better thank the lord we have Tex and they don’t.
These games are impossible to win if your starter only goes 2.2 innings. Yanks did battle back though.
Wang needs to be taken out of the rotation he cost the yanks too many games.
i dont know whats more nauseating, the managing of girardi, the lack of execution by the players, or the amorphous strike zone of gerry davis
Wang is 0-4 with a 14.34 ERA. What else is there to do?
And I look and smell like a horse’s ass.
ric
that should have read “came up short”
just so I understand- yanks starter goes 3 innings and they lost because of the umps?
trisha – OPPC lifetime member
June 10th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
“Yankees didn’t lose that game. The umpire lost it for them.”
Oh the umps…the umps.
Wah…..wah…….wah
Yawn
Here come the excuses. We’ve lost 7 straight to them, but we’re clearly the better team. Give me a break. 40% of the rotation is garbage right now, they hit 2 for 15 with RISP., etc., etc. No, we’re not the better team.
I love Phil. He did pitch well. But the HR he gave up turned out to be the difference in the game.
UPDATE, 10:22 p.m.: Crowd chanting something about steroids to Alex. Apprently it’s Oblivious Hyprocrites Night here at Fenway.
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LOL. Delayed reaction. Thanks Pete, that gave me a sorely needed laugh.
“as I understand it it is the probability of scoring any runs. The outsome is binary – score at least one run/ don’t score.
So I’m pretty sure it’s scoring any runs and not the total number of runs. But I could be mistaken.”
cb-
file my question away and if you come across the numbers sometime , let me know.
there has to be a percentage for each situation. as you say they have a history of every time the two situations have come up and the results.
i’ve tried to look this up before and i could never find it.
i would think with one out and a runner on second, the runner would score 60 % of the time. i would guess a runner from first with no outs would score maybe 40% of the time.
i say that because it illustrates that there are percentages we should be able to know since the history is there. what are those percentages?
A “brave” red sox troll coming to gloat. How sweet.
*yawn*
“blame Wang. Disrupted everything we were building on.”
Didn’t seem like he disrupted was AJ was building on last night.
“If I was Girardi I would beat the crap out of him and tell him he better learn and swing at freakin strikes. His at bats are just so poor.”
And what should Girardi do to life of the club house Nick Swisher who made two of the most inexcusable mistakes we’ve seen in a while?
Why is it always Cano who should get the “crap” beat out of him, is “stupid,” “infuriating,” etc., etc.
It’s bizarre. Jeter’s at bats tonight were simply stellar. Damon looked great in the 8th. Swisher bunting was a rocket scientist.
ARod, Cano and Melky are constantly harped on for their mistakes.
Melky knocked in a key run tonight and someone blew up after one of his at bats after he made an out later in the game for his “dumb” at bat.
It’s really puzzling.
yanks didnt lose cause of the umps they lost cause they cant hit with runners in scoring position. The lack of consistency from gerry davis didnt help, but you cant say thats what cost them the game. I can understand that the umpires are human and make some mistakes but i think its fair to ask that he remains consistent which was not done. regardless if they dont hit with runners in scoring postion they have a lot more to worry about then inconsistent officiating
“Wang is 0-4 with a 14.34 ERA. What else is there to do?”
He’s a 19 GW, that’s the only defense I keep hearing.
Doreen, What Hughes did tonight was slow down the Boston ABs as much as he could, again he should be in the rotation not Wang
Joe’s loyalty to Wang is admirable but misplaced – he has now pitched himself out of the rotation and into a long-relief, mop-up role (which hopefully will not be needed often). so, it seems that it is time to go back to Hughes – let him get his innings and see what happens.
Jeter is in a slump – he is 0-for the last 3 or 4 games and it has really hurt – when he hits they win; when he doesn’t they rarely seem to (even though he is not driving in or scoring a large number of runs).
Over 2000 hits on this thread – the fans are nothing if not passionate!
Doreen, he made one mistake – Phil is not the reason why the Yankees lost the game. At 22 years old, he did just fine in Fenway tonight. The team played like the Bad News Bears tonight – they should have scored way more often.
This team is a complete and utter embarrassment. A win tomorrow will not make up for a disgusting 0-7 start against our biggest rivals. Imagine if the Giants were 0-2 against the Cowboys or 0-2 against the Eagles only this is ten times worse. Baseball is a long season and teams usually split games with their division rivals but frickin 0-7! There is now way we even go .500 now what a total disgrace. I am done with this team, a CC win tomorrow doesn’t help 1-7 is still disgusting.
Atleast Wang had a better night than Pavano.
“i would think with one out and a runner on second, the runner would score 60 % of the time. i would guess a runner from first with no outs would score maybe 40% of the time.”
I don’t think either percentage is that high and I believe it’s higher with man on first no outs. I need to look this up. It’s something I read a long time ago.
We’ll talk about it more later. If i can find it i’ll send you the reference.
Shame to waste a good late-inning rally. The bottom line — 0 & 7 v. Boston. The Sawx are in the Yankees heads. And the mood is not going to change until Girardi’s crew gives the Beantown boys a spanking.
So, how long does “the organization” continue to defend Wang?
“i have a horse face.”
So you’re ugly ric. What do you want from me?
Did Kay get something done? He looks different.
“Didn’t seem like he disrupted was AJ was building on last night.”
The rotation spots are disrupted, the BP roles were disrupted, what wasn’t & this to add Wang to rotation that was starting to click.
Anyone with a recap? And how did the umps lose this one for us? And how was Joe clueless with Phil?
This team is just not good enough – it is that simple.
I am not blaming the loss (Wang) on Girardi (Wang) but the guy is proving to be a gutless FOOL. Grow a pair, Joe, and let Gardner steal if you’re going to pinch run him in that situation! God I hate that kind of gutless managing. Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid. Gardner is on the team for one reasson only: he has extraordinary speed. Not good speed. Great speed! If you are not going to use it, you are a fool! If you are going to substitute him for a regular and not use his speed, you are a double fool! Grow a pair, Joe. please! Oh, and move Cano out of the 5-spot PLEASE! And that ump should have a splintered bat slowly shoved up his rectum. (Wang) get ‘em tomorrow and we’re still in first place.
I can’t put the blame for this game on Hughes. They had their chances. Tough game, get them tomorrow
Brandon, I’m not ready to go there yet, but I’m sort of getting tired of Wang going 3 innings – he’s just brutalizing the pen. The Yankees are very lucky they have Phil, but they’ll find a way to ruin a good thing with him too…….
“The rotation spots are disrupted, the BP roles were disrupted, what wasn’t & this to add Wang to rotation that was starting to click.”
This is utter nonsense.
“This team is a complete and utter embarrassment”
Although I am just as sick at the fact of going 0-7 against the Sox I would really wait to rush to the “Complete and Utter Embarrassment” comment.
They are 1 game back of first place, are beating every other team in the majors and playing great ball. (obviously not against the Sox.)
But embarrassment??? C’mon.
Betsy -
He pitched fine. But he did give up a costly homerun.
I think the game turned on Swisher getting doubled off and Swisher not making the catch earlier in the game.
Hey guys.
Bad, bad, bad, is all I could say. Wwhat a dumb move buntinng Melky, that was the game right there.
“This team is just not good enough – it is that simple”
oh, shut up.
The NY Yankees are now an epic fail of a team.
It can’t even be fun for Boston players or fans, knowing there is no serious competition.
One thing we learned is the yankees need multiple long man in the bullpen.
Also Phil Coke looked great velocity was 93-95.
I know this is probably not the time or place, but can anyone let me know what nonsense Sutcliff spewed tonight on the national broadcast?
If the cn’t beat the Sox they’re in serious trouble.
James -
According to Kim Jones’ blog, Kay got a haircut.
“but I’m sort of getting tired of Wang going 3 innings – he’s just brutalizing the pen. ”
Kind of like AJ Burnett? His two games against boston have been masterworks. Gave them great length and rested the pen.
AJ’s been wonderful this year.
“0-7! There is now way we even go .500 now what a total disgrace.”
You’re right, the ‘now way’ is to win 9 or 10 times against them.
Angel I know it looks cheesy that I haven’t showed up until now and the Red Sox just moved into first place but it’s a total coincidence. I was going to come here many times but the dog ate my homework, my grandmother died for the 5th time, and I had the swine flu until this very minute.
Don’t worry CC will get the win tomorrow.
The Sox are clearly the better team right now. It’s hard to argue. I hope we come in first but I doubt it.
I’m disappointed with Wang but I didn’t feel he was that awful tonight.
He clearly had control problems in the first, but the second inning really wasn’t his fault. A Baltimore chop and a bad fielding play by Swisher was the difference there.
We couldn’t score the runner from second with one out in the eighth and again the ninth. Jeter and Damon, and then Cano and Posada. A baserunning mistake by Swisher kills a potentially big inning. Very disheartening.
We may need Wang, but Hughes is pitching too well to ignore. He made the bad pitch to Youk, but overall Hughes pitched great.
“The NY Yankees are now an epic fail of a team.
It can’t even be fun for Boston players or fans, knowing there is no serious competition”
You really need a smack.
Sorry but I only saw the last inning, and just looked at the boxscore.
Red Sox get 9 hits, 4 of them by the bottom 3 in the order, with the only one with 2 hits, being Kottaras, who is barely hitting his weight.
My point: This has been happening a lot this year, where the scrubs/bench players have been murdering our pitching.Is it bad scouting?
CB, any thoughts.
Imagine for a moment that Pettitte had pitched yesterday, and Hughes or Aceves started today…
Would the outcome have been different?
In my opinion, it would have…
“The rotation spots are disrupted, the BP roles were disrupted, what wasn’t & this to add Wang to rotation that was starting to click”
Not Wang’s fault this is the case. Cashman has badly mismanaged Wang’s rehab and Girardi’s “plan” was ill conceived.
Paging Mr. Hughes. Mr. Phil Hughes…plese report to the starting rotation.
Paging Mr. Wang. Mr. CW…plese report to…uh…ummm….to the DL…your leg hurts…er….uh…and you need to go to Tampa for rehab…..yeah, that’s it….bad leg. Rehab. See you in 15 days.
mechagodzilla June 10th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
The NY Yankees are now an epic fail of a team.
It can’t even be fun for Boston players or fans, knowing there is no serious competition.
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You wouldn’t be worried that the team you’ve beaten every time you’ve played is ONLY ONE GAME BACK?? If the Yankees were 7-0 against the Red Sox I’d expect to be somewhere between 5 and 10 games ahead in the standings
CB, no offense but how many times do we defend him (WANG) how many ? until when ?
Jason, I agree and it’s obvious this team has its troubles at times hitting with RISP. But the ump has a direct correlation on how hitters’ ABs go. He took the bat out of Damon’s hands the one inning with runners on, and Tex on deck. He is a terrible, terrible ump who really needs someone to explain to him where the plate ends and the right-handed batters’ box begins.
And I disagree that the pen was “brutalized.” The got nice length from Phil Hughes. Then Coke and Aceves. With CC going tomorrow, he should give you more than 6 innings and you’ve got a few people available, including maybe Aceves, and Mo.
Wang can’t stay in the rotation, he’s hurting the team every single start.
At least this one was close, unlike yesterday.
Yanks get no hit tomorrow, shut out at the least.
No backbone whatsoever.
A-Rod and Cano make 2 outs a piece on first pitch swinging tomorrow. Mark it down.
“Did Kay get something done? He looks different.”
Atkins Diet.
LOL at Boston chanting at Arod about steroids.
Again your World Series champion MVP took female fertility drugs.
Can’t wait to hear from the sappy polyanna syrup spewing posters, that think Yankees fans shouldn’t be upset.If you can’t beat the RS
forget the WS.
NO EXCUSE !!!
YES booth report Lorenz, Cone, Singleton, Kay, and Flaherty:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/6121366840073932/
The pen did great, only two runs over six and a third.
“I think the game turned on Swisher getting doubled off and Swisher not making the catch earlier in the game.”
Agreed – they were building momentum in that inning and had wakefield off his game. And then Nick gets doubled off – with the play in front of him. The play was in front of him and he still got doubled off. That is as dumb a baseball play as you can find.
And wang looked like he’d could’ve snuck through that inning and Swisher makes one of the worst defensive plays you can imagine.
I can’t imagine the howls that would occur if bobby abreu lost a ball like that because he was nearing the wall. And then later in the game swisher melodramatically runs head first into the stands on a ball he has no chance on. Give me a break. That was purely for show.
Swisher was horrible tonight.
You know what? I really don’t care what the head-to-head record is if the Yankees keep playing .650 ball (or close to it) against the rest of the league and win the division. But if they miss the playoffs by 1 game, these games will be the ones we lament over.
“We’ll talk about it more later. If i can find it i’ll send you the reference.”
cb-
i guess someone has to do a program that looks at all the times in history that there were no bunts and the runnner on first scored with the hitters swinging away ( no stolen bases).
and then another program on seeing how many times the runner on second scored with one out when the hitters swung away( no stolen bases).
do they really have all of baseball actual plays in modern history recorded in a computerized form?
that’s wild, but very cool if they do.
Reasons for Optimism:
1. The Yankees are 0-7 against their biggest divisional rival, yet they are only 1 game out of 1st place.
2. Hughes looked very good tonight despite giving up the homerun. His whole demeanor and mound presence looks entirely different as of late.
3. TEX! Has any free agent come to the Yankees and absolutely torn the cover off the ball like this guy has?…and this is despite his batting .200 for the month of April. Tex is playing like an absolute beast right now.
who wants to add more…?
Boston finds ways to win these games. We find ways to lose.
Let me be honest Yankee fans. When Matsuzaka blew his cookies to the Rangers I was really depressed. At least the Yankees made it a game. They probably could have won without the bad calls. I just wanted to come and rub it in a little but your team is better than the rest. I wouldn’t be worried. Just a little pebble in your road to victory.
Wangs crappy pitching
Hughes’ 2 runs in 3 innings
Swishers horrible play
Yankees’ 2 for 1000 with RISP
Arod’s 0-fer
Umps crappy zone
Just chalk it up to a bad game. Gotta move on. It sucks major ***, but it’s over. Blame does nothing. If we can win tomorrow, we’re back in a tie for first. Not what everyone was looking for, but still first is first.
I have to say one or two more 2.2 IP starts from Wang and he should be yanked from the rotation.
I wanted for him to get a shot at reclaiming his spot and running with it, but thus far he has not.
oh yeah – and melky’s bunting… feh.
Kay got a haircut lol
We’ve got 3 long men, how many more do you need?
I am tired of Tomko being protected, though. Abuse him like a rented mule if you have to.
Someone making it sound like AJ’s making a habit of only going 3+.
I agree with earlier posters. Goat of the night goes to Girardi and his poor management in the 8th. A terrible, terrible call. “Gutless” is absolutely correct.
Pinch run with your fastest guy . . . and bunt him over???? On the road???? At Fenway?????
Awful decision.
Someone ask Joe why take Swisher out if your going to bunt.
WE have a ton of backbone, just because we have trouble with the Sox doesn’t mean we’re gutless.
CC will win tommorow for sure.
Brandon, I’m sorry, but doing everything to get Wang back on track is more important than the results of a single game. If you want to say that they screwed up by bringing him up too early because of the game Joba got hit in the 1st, that’s a legit argument, but whatever, Wang is up now.
I know you don’t like him and wish he was gone, but this is something we don’t agree on. I love Hughes and I think he has a big future as a starter on this team, but I don’t think the plan is or should be to try to go the rest of the year trying to develop two starters with innings limits and let Wang rot as the long man or wherever you want to banish him.
the runs scored lat should have been tack on runs, not catch up runs. One other thing, this crap about getting rid of Wang or putting him in the bullpen is Bs. If NYY is going to do anything, they’ll need Wang in the rotation and pitching effectively.
Tough loss tonight, Yanks had a chance to win the game even with Wang laying an egg. The pen isn’t completely shot with Wang and Burnett lasting less than 3 innings each.
Good News: The Yankees don’t play the Red Sox until August.
Who cares about how many pitches Hughes threw and if he should have or shouldn’t have stayed in?
That’s what some people take out of this game?
Alot of confidence here in CC tomorrow night.
Without the offense, I’m not sure if a CC line of 6 2/3 3ER is going to be good enough.
We have a way of making guys like Penny look good.
I love this team, but now with Cervelli in the lineup tomorrow, I’m not confident.
A-Rod had 2 walks. Jeter 0-5 always gets a pass. Or Cano 0-5.
“My point: This has been happening a lot this year, where the scrubs/bench players have been murdering our pitching.Is it bad scouting?”
Is this true? That’s not my sense. I’d have to see some data on that to believe it.
The bull pen has been so bad it wouldn’t surprise me at all that the bottom of orders have been much better against Veras, Ramirez, Albie, Tomko, etc.
But on the whole I doubt this is true. Seems anecdotal to me. We tend to remember when a scrub hitter gets a key hit much more than when a player we expect to do so does.
Even the Mets were able to take 2 in Fenway
This team is in our heads. They are NOT that much better than us where we should be 0-7 against them. They just find ways to beat us.
CC will get the win tomorrow and all will be right in the world…everyone relax, have a beer and an ambien and tomorrow is a new day
mechagodzilla and EricNS
I have never seen either of you around here before so it leads me to believe that you two are either trolls or just Negative Posters who come on here and cry and cry and cry while badmouthing the team.
Im not going to discuss the Yankees going 0-7 against the Sox, im going to save that for when you two morons leave and talk about it with the people who actuall know about baseball and want to intelligently discuss the hole that the Yanks have dug themselves into.
As for you two… I have nothing to do for the rest of the night. I finished my work for tomorrow, my girlfriend is a sleep and I have a nice cold beer right here. So that means I am going to follow both of you and critique and comments on EVERYTHING you say and yes, make fun of you mercilessly.
You two are whats wrong with Yankee fans and make me question why I even still come to this board. I hate you.
Wang is why he lost. 3 runs over five and we’re all happy. Then it’s Aceves and Coke splitting the seventh and eighth. Mo 9th.
Hughes pitched almost 4 innings. People wanted him to pitch more?
There is no possible enjoyment left in the remaining games. Boston has given the Yanks a season massacre.
And from the looks of Jeter and Damon yucking it up in the dugout, the fans care a whole lot more than the team.
“They are 1 game back of first place, are beating every other team in the majors and playing great ball. (obviously not against the Sox.)
But embarrassment??? C’mon.”
The Red Sox are the only team that matters, they are the only team standing in our way. Since 2004 we have traded places with the Sox. We are chasing them, and until we can beat them. Nothing else matters. So what if we get in the playoffs, then we just get a meeting up in Fenway where they will no doubt have home field advantage.
Cano never shows up in big games. Either does A-Rod.
Really, does anyone other than Damon show up in this series?
Girardi’s YES post-game reaction:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/612138522e641798/
“If NYY is going to do anything, they’ll need Wang in the rotation and pitching effectively.”
GB:
The point and concern is that when he is IN the rotation he is NOT pitching effectively and Its costing us games. I dont see any other option.
The analysis is simply shocking. Quite a group.
CB, that’s your defense of Wang? AJ? We’ve already rehashed AJ to death…what positives came out of Wang’s 3 inning stint tonight? Is he not brutalizing the pen?
I already mentioned many times how disappointed I was in AJ last night – short of shooting the guy and putting him and everyone out of their misery, what would you like us to do?
Doreen, I’m just not putting the blame on Phil – I’m putting it on the rest of the team who played like garbage tonight/
And thanks, Pel…once again, you’re awesome!
I definitely agree with you Nick, as much as it kills all of us to lose again to the Sox, but getting Wang back to 19-win form is much more important
Yes, A-Rod was asleep during game 2 vs. Philly.
Winning tomorrow doesn’t make me feel much better.
We’re just not as good as Boston
Why is this so complicated and psycho-analyzed? It comes down to that simple fact.
“no offense but how many times do we defend him (WANG) how many ? until when”
brandon,
I was responding to your notion that bringing Wang back has led to some epic disruption of roles and implicitly accounts for AJ having the vaunted extra rest and pitching like garbage yesterday.
I think that notion is nonsense. How disrupted did hughes look tonight in his new role?
And I have no problem with the yankees taking wang out of the rotation as long as they put him back on the dl.
If they can’t DL him then they need to ride this out and wait for him to regain arm strength.
Ultimately this is Cashman’s fault more than it is Wangs. He panicked and brought Wang back early because Joba got hit in the leg with a line drive? That was remarkably short sighted and the team is paying for it now.
Now that the game is over, when is the bus coming to get the loonies out of here……Yanks are 1 game out….Boston is a .300 club on the road…..Give it a rest…They paly another 12 games or so……Chilax….
I really hope the WB Mason commercials are purposefully TERRIBLE.
Campy, maybe.
I miss the singing and dancing ones from last season.
“Brandon, I’m sorry, but doing everything to get Wang back on track is more important than the results of a single game.”
But is the answer continuing to start him? Perhaps Wang working out of the pen is not so crazy. Despite the resolute optimism on Wang’s behalf, there is no guarantee he will bounce back to his 2007 self.
Tonight shows why Phil Hughes should not be sent to Scranton.
First, he’s one of the team’s best pitchers. Second, he can get 100-125 IP just pitching out of the pen if he’s not limited to one inning. Third, he ought to be starting.
Hman
June 10th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
I agree with earlier posters. Goat of the night goes to Girardi and his poor management in the 8th. A terrible, terrible call. “Gutless” is absolutely correct.
Pinch run with your fastest guy . . . and bunt him over???? On the road???? At Fenway?????
Awful decision.
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What part of Gardner not being able to read Okijima’s moves don’t you understand? On the forst pitch, he was moving to first and on the two pickoff plays, he was leaning towards 2nd base. Would you have preferred Cabrera in an 0-2 hole?
“The Red Sox are the only team that matters, they are the only team standing in our way. Since 2004 we have traded places with the Sox. We are chasing them, and until we can beat them. Nothing else matters. So what if we get in the playoffs, then we just get a meeting up in Fenway where they will no doubt have home field advantage.”
Al, worry about the playoffs during the playoffs. As we all know, the postseason is a crapshoot.
Im not saying this isnt a tough sitution to be in. It is and it totally sucks.
But you arent one of these moron trolls, you know your stuff. Cmon man, i expected better from you.
AJ has been terrible, as has Wang
Except AJ gets paid $82 million
Devin – Teixiera had 4 hits tonight, Hughes, Coke and Aceves all showed up and pitched great out of the pen
“If you want to say that they screwed up by bringing him up too early because of the game Joba got hit in the 1st, that’s a legit argument,”
That would be my argument exactly…wasn’t it ill-advised to start him against the likes of Texas and Boston?
We have the Nationals coming to town next week…wouldn’t it have been better to start him then?
I don’t see how these last two starts are going to get him back on track…
His confidence is sinking faster than his sinkerball…
“There is no possible enjoyment left in the remaining games. Boston has given the Yanks a season massacre.
And from the looks of Jeter and Damon yucking it up in the dugout, the fans care a whole lot more than the team.”
I have noticed this to. The Red Sox enjoy beating the Yanks, they get up for the games. The Yankees don’t care about beating the Sox it is just like any other game to them. They have lost the fire that guys like O’Neill, Brosius and Tino had in the rivalry. The rivalry is dead and so is the passion the Yankees we all loved once had.
Trevor
June 10th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
Someone ask Joe why take Swisher out if your going to bunt.
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Yeah odd decision if you dont want Gardner to do a straight steal how about a hit and run. Melky is good at making contact. I know they did a hit and run with Gardner and Cervelli in a late inning scenario in a game this year.
Pel, thanks for posting audio every night.
Much appreciated.
Boston, right now, is the better team. This is not negativity it’s noticing that we’re in second and have lost every game to them. Could we improve? Of course. But we need to win a series first.
If CC can’t even beat the Sox, then what is there to even look forward to anymore?
What really kills us with the Sox is that they were beating us with Schilling, Manny, and Ortiz, and now it’s a different group of guys. Francona has his team playing fast and loose against the Yankees.
As for Wang, what happens if he never regains his 19 win form? How many guys over the past few years won 20 games and dropped off? Maybe Wang is finished?
“do they really have all of baseball actual plays in modern history recorded in a computerized form?
that’s wild, but very cool if they do.”
They do.
http://www.baseball-databank.org/
GB, I agree the Yankees need Wang, but this is an untenable situation. He’s not getting past the 3rd innings in these games……I would have to agree with CB in that he should be DL’d; let him pitch as much as he needs, no matter how many runs he gives up, in AAA. I’m not assuming, either, that Phil would be great. He’s a kid – making great strides to be sure – but still a kid. The rotation is a mess.
How do we know Clemens didn’t juice in Boston?
Even when Wang as a 19-game winner, he never pitched well against Boston or in Fenway
What did you people expect tonight? He competed better than AJ Bustnett.
Jorge wasn’t laughing in the postgame interview. He looked like he wanted to punch something or someone.
Nick,
Haven’t read through the thread. What did people say when Phil gave up the runs???
Hughes pitched very well, that is something to feel good about, but otherwise keeeerist, this is a frigging nightmare.
I want to wake up now.
CB
June 10th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
“My point: This has been happening a lot this year, where the scrubs/bench players have been murdering our pitching.Is it bad scouting?”
“Is this true? That’s not my sense. I’d have to see some data on that to believe it.
The bull pen has been so bad it wouldn’t surprise me at all that the bottom of orders have been much better against Veras, Ramirez, Albie, Tomko, etc.
But on the whole I doubt this is true. Seems anecdotal to me. We tend to remember when a scrub hitter gets a key hit much more than when a player we expect to do so does.”
Lately Aybar, Dillon, Zobrist, Green, Kottaras, in the last two series. Bad scouting. Bad pitch calling , or just bad pitching?
Posada looks pissed how about you call a better game and mix Wang pitches better you bum
barry zito, meet chien-ming wang.
“If CC can’t even beat the Sox, then what is there to even look forward to anymore?”
And if the lineup can’t hit Brad Penny, we’re screwed.
Damon proclaimed this a big series before anyone else did.
He looks pretty stupid now that we lost it.
“Really, does anyone other than Damon show up in this series?”
yea how bout that guy named mark teixeira….he only went 4 for 5 w/ 2 doubles and a homer…
Dr. Cox
June 10th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
“If NYY is going to do anything, they’ll need Wang in the rotation and pitching effectively.”
GB:
The point and concern is that when he is IN the rotation he is NOT pitching effectively and Its costing us games. I dont see any other option.
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He’s not going to get his strength and location back if he doesn’t know when or if he’s in. He’s got to be in the rotation when Hughes and Chamberlain change spots.
CMW’s rebooting process is a bumpy ride, but as long the net movement continues to be the right direction, it’s bearable. Amazing how easy it was to take his consistency and 19 wins a season for granted. Didn’t get to see that much of the game, but the Yanks at least hit and they need to keep it going tomorrow for real. Shoutout to Swish: Things got a bit funky tonight, but still love ya dude. It will be great if CC can take care of business tomorrow, although he hasn’t always fared well in Boston from what I remember. But whatever the outcome tomorrow, I guess they’ll have a chance to reclaim their collective mojo against the Mets lol.
Jimmy – you cannot possibly be that naive.
Posada is not the reason Wang did bad.
“my girlfriend is a sleep”
She sure is Dr Cox, and you have my utmost sympathy.
And that 0-7 you don’t want to talk about will soon be 0-8 with the epic fail from CC less than 24 hrs away.
Maybe if Wang pitched right jorgie wouldn’t be so frustrated. A catcher can only do so much
“If CC can’t even beat the Sox, then what is there to even look forward to anymore?”
You’re right. Do me a favor. When they lose tomorrow, go tie a rope to your ceiling, make a noose and hang yourself.
Ill watch the remainder of the season and watch the Yanks make the post-season for you.
Wang is done, he might get back to a decent form. But he will never again be the Wang of 07.
If we don’t win tomorrow, It’s over.
We might go winless against the Sox this year and lose the division by 10 games.
We are sending our ace on the mound against batting practice Penny. How much easier a situation do we want?
Very ominous sign if we lose tomorrow’s game.
This team has been with out a number 2 starter all year. They need to get that straighten out.
Hard to win with out a bonafide number 2 starter. Not when everyone else is pitching like their slots are. No one else in the rotation is having a better year then expected.
So it’s hard to bump someone else up with Wang struggles.
This is someone who they counted on to give them innings. He’s just not having a good year thus far.
Does the number 77513 refer to the number of times his mother dropped him down the stairs?
Posada’s YES post-game reaction:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/61214123c3f22e23/
Dr. Cox – hate – this is just baseball – come on – I have been a Yankee fan for over 40 years so I don’t need a lecture from you – however it does help top beat your number one rival and the team that could finish first and which you might meet in the ALCS – have a good night.
“Boston is a .300 club on the road…..Give it a rest…”
This is a critical point. Boston simply isn’t the same team on the road.
It’s a long season and they don’t hit the same on the road.
They average around 6 runs per game at home. 3.5 on the road.
Hughes’ YES post-game reaction:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/61214127702d08c7/
“Posada looks pissed how about you call a better game and mix Wang pitches better you bum”
How come he caught Hughes well then if hes so bad at calling games? You ever think its the starting pitcher ya bum?
Some fans are content with being 2nd best and the wild card.
Is this what it has come to?
I don’t understand why we are criticizing players for saying this is a big series. If Johnny Damon said “No, this series is no big deal. I don’t care what happens”, he would be ripped to shreads. So why criticize for being honest????
Don’t we want our players to have intensity???
Tomorrow is a must win game. There are very few if any of those before the allstar break, but tomorrow is one of those games. CC needs to show up big time and the offense needs to get out of the RISP funk. It would be nice to lay down a beatdown tommorow, but I don’t see that happening.
Wave Your Hat: There’s not really any guarantees of anything, is there? But we can come pretty close to guaranteeing that Wang isn’t going to build himself back up to being able to throw 100-120 pitches a game coming out of the bullpen.
So it’s either start him (they’re 1-1 now with him back as a starter) a couple more times and then re-evaluate or phony an injury and send him down to Scranton. Like CB said, this is like his Spring Training while coming back from a very long layoff. The real positives were his velocity and his stuff. You think he can’t get his control back?
I really don’t get the pessimism about Wang, except from the folks who didn’t like him anyway.
We should win 6 of 9 against Nats, Mets and Marlins.
Wang’s next start is against the Nationals
Dunn, Zimmerman, and Nicky J are drooling right now just thinking about it.
When we win tomorrow and go back into first do we suddenly become an equal team? The better team?
My money is still solidly on the Yankees.
Red Sox have always played well in their little bandbox. A hit here or there and the score could have been 6-5 Yankees.
We’ll win tomorrow and start another good streak.
“She sure is Dr Cox, and you have my utmost sympathy.
And that 0-7 you don’t want to talk about will soon be 0-8 with the epic fail from CC less than 24 hrs away.”
Your sympathy for someone being asleep?
Wow, here I thought you just didnt know jack about baseball but now I see you don’t know how to insult either.
I do hope they lose tomorrow. Last time they were swept by the Sox they want on a great run and guess what, wound up in first place. Who are you? This is obviously your first Yankee game experience, so let me welcome you.
If you need to know anyones name on the team, newbie, just let me know.
But hey, we can always meet UNDER THE O’NEAL BANNER, tool
CC needs to pitch like hes getting paid…if not what did we sign him for?
I dont know what the solution is for Wang but when does the statute of limitations expire on those 19 wins? i.e., at what point do we give up on him? Not being a jerk- I honestly dont know the answer to that question.
What’s the last big game that CC has won?
Don’t expect miracles tomorrow. The offense is going to have to win the game.
“Does the number 77513 refer to the number of times his mother dropped him down the stairs?”
That will give you some heavy bruising.
“When we win tomorrow and go back into first do we suddenly become an equal team? The better team?”
No we are still an inferior team, hence the 1-7 start.
“Some fans are content with being 2nd best and the wild card.
Is this what it has come to?”
Has it occured to anyone that the Yankees can lose every game to the Red Sox this year and STILL win the division. I obviously DO NOT want that to happen.
But just because they have won a game against the f’n sox does not mean their season is over. Its not even close.
Some of you make me sick.
Dr. Cox
June 10th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
But hey, we can always meet UNDER THE O’NEAL BANNER, tool
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If you are going to call someone a tool and challenge them under the O’NEILL banner. You should really get the great O’Neill’s name spelled right
Hey Green Beret 7, Melky was bunting from Pitch One! Girardi obviously planned to bunt him. So why pinch run Gardner? If what you say is true (Gardner couldn’t read Okajima)– which I don’t buy anyway — why pinch run him and take out Swisher?
Gardner is in the big leagues because of his speed. You have Melky take a couple of pitches and Gardner gets a read on him. If Gardner can’t do that, why is he on the team? Why do you take out Swisher, if, as you suggest, Girardi already knew Gardner couldn’t read Okajima and had no hope of figuring him out? Your argument makes no sense.
The disdain for Wang is amazing
Why not kill Mr. Miracle Whip Burnett who showed no guts in any big game and is getting paid $16 million?
Thanks so much Pel
Teixeira’s YES post-game reaction:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/61214266784b2350/
CB, I didn’t mean that to come out as rudely as it sounded – I apologize. You’re right about AJ last night – it was pretty bad and I even said I disliked his attitude afterwards. Tonight is about Wang – and I’m concerned about him.
Trevor, good points.
>Thanks so much Pel
no prob
The only way we could establish that we are a better team than them is by winning 2 of 3
Winning tomorrow does nothing but save face. We will not be considered a better team regardless of how many games we are up.
We can beat everyone else except our biggest rival, thus we are 2nd best.
i gotta say im not too mad at this loss. the yanks had their chances and fought back but came up short in the end. sure its frustrating as hell, esp bc its the red sox.
i came into this series hopeing for at least one win, tommorrow is the day. get it done CC.
Dr. Cox
June 10th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
“Some fans are content with being 2nd best and the wild card.
Is this what it has come to?”
Has it occured to anyone that the Yankees can lose every game to the Red Sox this year and STILL win the division. I obviously DO NOT want that to happen.
But just because they have won a game against the f’n sox does not mean their season is over. Its not even close
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I do agree with you on the above completely. It is so silly to call the season over with 100+ games to play
Erica, chill out.
It was a reference to the “RANSOM SUCKS” guy who said that to Brandon a few weeks back and I was directing it was that troll.
“Has it occured to anyone that the Yankees can lose every game to the Red Sox this year and STILL win the division. I obviously DO NOT want that to happen.
But just because they have won a game against the f’n sox does not mean their season is over. Its not even close.
Some of you make me sick.”
Yep.
Al from BK, you said earlier that if the Yankees lost this game you were finished with them. Enjoy your last night of posting. Hopefully football starts soon so you have something to do with your time.
Yeah ok, Manny only started trying to get pregnant on the Dodgers, I don’t buy it.
I’ll go 0-18 against the RS if it means a WS win.
Betsy you’re right the rotation is a mess. Looks good on the surface. But when you break each starter down outside of CC and Joba. It’s alot of inconsistency there.
The number 5 starter has been the second best pitcher in the rotation. Which doesn’t speak well to how Burnett Wang and Pettitte have been pitching.
“Haven’t read through the thread. What did people say when Phil gave up the runs???”
That our shiny new toy is already broken?
I don’t actually remember what everyone said, there were a lot of comments tonight and no small amount of acrimony. In general people thought Phil did ok, which is true. The 2 runs ended up being crucially important, but Phil still looked very solid.
Erica,
Agree.
Anyone who complains about Damon saying this is a big series is an idiot. He is the leader of this team and was confident in our team. He did nothing wrong. The pitching let us down big time.
If they can’t handle the “pressure” of being challenged by their team leader, they are not going anywhere this year anyway.
The Yankees beat themselves, plain and simple.
Swisher getting doubled off 1st was the turning point of the game, right when we were ready to blow out Wakefield. The ball wasn’t even a line drive, it was a looper right to the shortstop. Even if he was halfway to second base he had plenty of time to turn around and get back, and he got doubled off for no reason with a play right in front of him.
1st and 3rd, no outs, and we don’t score. As usual, that is the run that loses us the game.
Swisher’s error then sealed the deal when he was RIGHT UNDER A FLY BALL. Wang had no chance with the crappy defense behind him tonight, and Bay’s “RBI” was a double play grounder that A-Rod just let go right by him.
The Red Sox aren’t beating the Yankees. The Yankees are beating the Yankees. You would say that it’s a good sign in April, but this is June and the excuses have run out. You can look for the positives in April, but it’s time now to stop the excuses and WIN THE GAME. The Red Sox are NOT a better team than us, but they are certainly in our heads, and that’s not good considering they are the one team we will battle for this division.
They could go 0-18 in the season series and still win 93 games keeping up the .650 against the rest of the league, but that’s not a likely outcome. This team has to start winning these games and not talking about how close they are coming, because wins are all that count, not “we almost came back.”
Just wondering should we compare Bustnett and Wang’s performance again??
Or was it not Wang’s fault he was terrible again
Cmon where are the excuse makers
I was at the game the man was horrible most of those hits were smoked
Jimmy the Jamoke -
Alex was 1 of 103 players on that list. Grow up and deal with the fact that members of your championship teams were likely cheating as were a good percentage of other players.
You know the suspects. So do I.
Alex was ratted out. 1 out of 103.
Wang was bad tonight but his stuff had movement on it and his velocity was there. Control and confidence were not and thats his fault but im sure that the sitting in the bullpen didnt help either. just dont get that why bother to call him up after trying to get his strength up if you are just going to have him sit there for nearly two weeks with inconsistent work? Wang cant be expected to return to his old form after two starts. Im not saying that he wasnt bad because the first one was flat out awful this one at least he showed glimpses of his stuff. Girardi may have some confidence in him, but wang is the one who needs to have the confidence or he is going nowhere. sigh.
I started laughing during the steriods chant and started listing off the Sux who were on roids
Manny
Big Sloppi
Bellhorn
Embree
Nomah
Just to name a few
I can’t believe complained about Hughes coming out of the game with 3.2 innings/63 pitches
Yeah, that was such a huge turning point…. doh. Hughes is a reliever now. Those extra 20 pitches he saves makes him available a day earlier.
Part of what was so dissappointing about Burnett’s performance yesterday was that everyone knew that Wang was going to be limited to throwing 60-70 pitches. Not more than 80 if everything went well. The bull pen was going to get used tonight.
And knowing that AJ still mailed in the game last night and made them burn through the pen.
AJ really needed to pick up the team yesterday. He needed to protect the pen by giving them length. They had hughes lined up to pitch behind Wang but that plan frays if the night before the guy you’re counting on to be a horse falls apart.
So I think it’s unfair to blame Wang for burning out the pen without acknowledging that AJ was as big a part, if not bigger, for the lack of available arms tomorrow night.
Is anybody going to answer the question posed by Jimmy from Worcester?
CC will pitch us into a Boston sweep. 8-0 after tomorrow night.
Randy: Look at the run expectancy matrix. It shows based on data from all major league games in a period how many runs were scored in those situations
http://www.tangotiger.net/RE9902.html
Runner on 1st no outs is .95 runs, runner on 2nd 1 out is .75 runs
Bonds never tested Positive.
“I really don’t get the pessimism about Wang, except from the folks who didn’t like him anyway.”
You don’t get the pessimism about Wang? Really? I spoke of resolute optimism before but perhaps I should have said blind optimism.
Look, I’ve always liked Wang, but right now he’s not the pitcher he was. Tonight, I thought he had some bad breaks in the second inning, and his KO’s of Youk and Bay in the 2nd were things of beouty, but he did not like he progressed tonight to me. If he did to you, I think you are just looking for what you want to see.
You simply can’t ignore Hughes anymore. He is pitching too well. Wang can get plenty of opportunities in the pen – SWB is not going to tell you anything.
You don’t know that it’s Wang’s strength that is the issue. It could be anything.
Dr. Cox
June 10th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
Erica, chill out.
It was a reference to the “RANSOM SUCKS” guy who said that to Brandon a few weeks back and I was directing it was that troll.
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Dude, it is warm in my apartment. LOL. I happen to agree with you. I just take spelling very seriously.
“Al from BK, you said earlier that if the Yankees lost this game you were finished with them. Enjoy your last night of posting. Hopefully football starts soon so you have something to do with your time.”
I usually steer clear of here anyway to avoid the trolls and homers like yourself Trish. I like to consider us posters as a community of like minded people but with you always praising the team even when they don’t deserve it and trolls coming out for the sux I don’t know if I need to come here anymore. Either way BIG game for the BIG left hander tomorrow and an absolute must-win.
Jimmy must have an IQ of 2… Manny did roids for years and now needs artificial testosterone cuz his body won’t produce it anymore since all the roids he was doing
read a book
F7 TD
June 10th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
The disdain for Wang is amazing
Why not kill Mr. Miracle Whip Burnett who showed no guts in any big game and is getting paid $16 million?
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Wang is worthless every start he made this season he cost the team a victory. Burnett gives the team a chance to win except for when they play Boston.
CB,
Agree 100%. People knocking Wang need to look at AJ first.
That gutless performance last night, to follow up blowing that 6-0 lead last time he faced them, just killed the morale of the series and burned the bullpen.
He knew he had to come up with a big performance and eat some innings and he failed miserably.
“They average around 6 runs per game at home. 3.5 on the road”
6.1 at home. 4.6 on the road.
“Winning tomorrow does nothing but save face. We will not be considered a better team regardless of how many games we are up.”
Are there seperate standings for how teams are considered? Are we losing out on BCS votes again?
What were they chanting to A-Rod?? I couldn’t really tell
Harper M,
if we won 2 of 3 we would still be 2-7 against them this year. that doesnt make us the better team, one series wasnt going to change that even if we swept them.
having a clear answer on which team is better doesnt come till september or hopefully october. being 0-7 against them yet only being 1 game back in the standings i think speaks volumes for this team. but by saying that i also believe tomorrow is the day to win.
get it done yanks.
Do people realize that we have 16 West Coast games left and Boston has 0?
Stop this schedule/road non-sense. Boston is in a MUCH better position than we are and have done it against a tougher schedule.
wang is not done….He’s been terrible this year, yes I agree..every pitcher takes there lumps every now and then. Verlander is 7-2, he was 6-18 last year.
Thanks Harper-
Saying this was a big series should NOT be pressure. And I don’t think it was. If there was a member of that team who doesn’t understand the need to win this series, they shouldn’t be on the team. Verbalizing it makes no difference.
“So I think it’s unfair to blame Wang for burning out the pen without acknowledging that AJ was as big a part, if not bigger, for the lack of available arms tomorrow night.”
Two points.
First, being down on Wang does not preclude being down on AJ. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Second, because we had Hughes, the pen is not really burned out.
http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....nvaluable/
The Yankees need to stop being chummy with the Red Sox, and put this “Mutual Respect” crap to rest. I’ve also had enough of Jeter playing footsy with Pedroia. It’s time for the Yankees to get their backs from against the wall, just like the Sox did to us in the summer of 2004. It was that moment when they knew they could beat us. Where’s the leadership? Where’s the fire? Pitch inside, and go in with spikes up. F the Red Sox, their Manager, their fans, and the City of Boston. They are our rivals, not our friends. Our team needs to wake up, and get this rivalry going again.
new post
“We can beat everyone else except our biggest rival, thus we are 2nd best.”
So that’s how it works! I get confused because we beat teams that beat them. So that would make those teams better than us? Hmmm.
Wow, the entire time we were in first place and the Red Sox were losing games to teams that we beat, instead of celebrating I guess some posters were in mourning the whole time since, you know, we hadn’t beaten the Sox.
Obviously you want to beat the Sox. But it isn’t like they trammeled the Yanks every win is it. Do you remember back to one of the first series when we were all saying we could have and should have taken 3 of the 4 games? That’s when we were without Arod, without Nady, with an ailing Bruney, etc., and we still were right on their heels.
I guess I understand the respect your take on it but I just don’t agree with it. I do agree with Jason Bay though that what counts is who ends up in first and not who wins by how many games. Funny that we beat up on the Rays last year and they ended up in the World Series. So that made us the better team?
Jimmy is going to cry to his mama when his Red Sox heroes are outed on that list.
Hang in there Jimmy, you naive clown.
An while you’re waiting, punch up the numbers on Ortiz since he left Minnesota. Explain away. I’d love to hear your theories.
I still say that The Yanks win the AL East by 5 games….The only real concern will be the 2 West Coast swings….Oakland & Seattle may very well be cupcakes by then…The Angels, well they’re the Angels and they do bring their A game when in comes to The NY Yankees…..Here in Orange County, when the Bombers come visiting it’s a big deal…A real big deal…..Wang looked better tonight…He needs at least 3 more starts before any decision can be made…..He really should be throwing in AAA ball
Girardi said how important this series is. You have to beat teams in your division.
2 bad starts by AJ and Wang. Look for Hughes to take Wangs next start.
Dutch Hugo
June 10th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
Hey Green Beret 7, Melky was bunting from Pitch One! Girardi obviously planned to bunt him. So why pinch run Gardner? If what you say is true (Gardner couldn’t read Okajima)—which I don’t buy anyway—why pinch run him and take out Swisher?
Gardner is in the big leagues because of his speed. You have Melky take a couple of pitches and Gardner gets a read on him. If Gardner can’t do that, why is he on the team? Why do you take out Swisher, if, as you suggest, Girardi already knew Gardner couldn’t read Okajima and had no hope of figuring him out? Your argument makes no sense.
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Squaring around to fake a bunt when the runner is supposed to go is hardly uncommon. The pitch was a strike and Gardner moved back towards first base. Gardner never did read him…..even on the pickoff plays. Since Gardner was brought in before Cabrera batted, how was Girardi supposed to know that he couldn’t figure out the move? Talk about not making any sense, you’re it.
They were “chanting you did steroids”
Two long haired losers named Sully and Mc started the chant
They live in Southie and are married to their cousins
cb-
the yankee have a problem being able to leave wang in the game long enough to build up his pitch count.
i agree the minors is the best place to do that, but there’s a way they could build up his pitch count without having the problem of commanding his sinker which was his undoing tonight.
you originally and correctly stated his sinker would come back when his health and strength came back. he doesn’t have to throw a sinker to get his strength back. he could do it with four seam fastballs.
why not have him throw mostly four seam fastballs with some sinkers, sliders, and changes mixed in. he’s throwing 95mph with the four seam fastball. a pitcher who throws strikes at 95 with a four seam fastball should be able to last 4-5 innings.
once he has the strength from throwing the four seam fastball, then move over to the sinker. this was actually how he learned the sinker in the first place. he threw a 96-97 four seam fastball and was converted in week to the sinker.
why not do that again? like tonight, he would have surprised the red sox for one thing and he was throwing strikes with the four seam fastball. it would be a transitional technique that would for now keep him in the game longer with less runs .
i realize he has a very straight four seam fastball but he should be able to get up to 96 with it by next game. that should get some outs. if i was catching him i would call the four seam fastball until he was ahead in the count.
maybe wang needs to be able to throw a 96-97 mph four seam fastball before he can command the 93-94 sinker.
if thats true, it could be a conditioning check point for him. in the future get the fastball to 96-97 and then work on the sinker.
Jimmy –
Huh? What? How do you not know if you took them? Wow – sounds like he’s got his excuse all prepared…
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....;type=lgns
Oh, and Tex is absolutely awesome and worth every penny the team paid for his services. Fits in like he’s been here forever and just gets better and better every game. Thank you Cashmoney for hooking Tex up for the Yankees and keeping him away from other teams (Boston), especially teams in the division (Boston).
The trouble with Wang is scouting. The Yankees should know their own pitchers. If they did, they would have traded high on Wang two years ago. Now he’s practically worthless. The only upside is that they didn’t pay out 80M.
“You don’t get the pessimism about Wang? Really? I spoke of resolute optimism before but perhaps I should have said blind optimism.
Look, I’ve always liked Wang, but right now he’s not the pitcher he was. You don’t know that it’s Wang’s strength that is the issue. It could be anything.”
Sorry, Wave Your Hat, but we’re going to have to part company on this one. Of course Wang doesn’t look like the pitcher he was – how could he?
I do not suggest that his lack of strength is the issue, I suggest it’s that he missed six months due to a freak injury and had his re-hab botched by the Yankees (which they have since admitted).
So if anyone expected him to roll over and look like the Wang of old, that would be pretty silly. I guess Wang’s problem could be “anything” if you ignore what has already happened.
He was throwing 89-91 in April with his mechanics all messed up and he got killed. Now he’s back at 93-95 with action on his sinker and is much closer to the proper arm slot. You don’t have to find anything to be optimistic about that, but it’s not blind optimism for me to do so.
And who said anything about ignoring Phil Hughes?
I was originally frustrated that I was going to miss both last nights game and tonights.
I’ll be watching tomorrow, though, when they win.
(and move back into 1st place)
CB, I totally agree…..no question about it. I still can’t believe AJ’s performance and I like the guy. This is why I say we have serious issues with the rotation…..AJ is better than he showed last night and he’s pitched great against the Sox before. Is he just collapsing under the weight of the Sox/Yankees rivalry because? I guess mechanically he’s way out of whack. He may not be a great pitcher, but he’s not a bad one – he’s been ok at times this year, but he’s capable of better. I hope the Yankees can get him straightened out…..that is, if he’s willing to figure out what’s wrong (which he seemed oddly unwilling to do yesterday). He’s not good enough to predict that he’s going to go on a major roll – I think he’s having a crisis of confidence now and is acting that way to cover up his worries.
AJ had to do better…….Wang had to do better. The thing is, I don’t want Phil to be yanked around. First he’s in the rotation, now the pen, later maybe the rotation again if Wang is DL’d (or whatever)..,then the pen again. This kid is showing why he’s going to be a special pitcher…….make a plan and stick with it.
*Pel* thanks dude for the smokin audio!
TEX is da man on the YANKEES!
wow! 2300+ comments on the game thread. is that a new record?
Green Beret 7 — Melky was bunting on 1st Pitch. Period. He wasn’t faking the bunt. Did you see how far GArdner was down the line? It was a bunt that Melky took the pitch on. So whether or not Gardner could read Okajima’s move made no difference — Girardi was playing bunt all the way. You are grasping at straws trying to find ways to defend the move. And even saying that, part of a base-stealer’s job is to figure out a pitcher’s move and run. If Gardner can’t do that, what good is he? But Melky was bunting, period. Go back and look at it again, if you have the capability to do so.
trisha, were you always this stupid or did you have to work at it?
//I’ll go 0-18 against the RS if it means a WS win.//
You go 0-19 against the best team in in baseball and trust me……you don’t deserve to win a World Series.
You don’t deserve one now after 0-7!!!!!! and it will be 0-8 after the Red Sox hang CC out to dry.
The Sox are scared of anybody on the Yankees pitching staff!
Nice try!
i know i’m half a day late, and nobody will probably read this, but i always read these the following day.
so glad we agree on this
“Why not have Gardner steal before the bunt? … ”
i’d like to know the point of a speedy pinch runner if you’re just going to bunt him over?
why couldn’t they just bunt swisher over, if that were the case?
girardi is bunt happy…
and i just did a find on the word ‘bunt’
guess i’m not alone on that one
CC has no support.Penny is on 117 pitches and not 1 Yankee can
GET A RUN.They have out hit the RS,AND STILL NOTHING.
I believe AJ and Wang’s bad outing has effected the whole team.CC IS ONLY AT 91 PITCHES BOTTOM OF THE 6TH.
Wow. The Haiku’s of Sound and Fury melt down the blog.