Game 62: Mets at Yankees (now with updates, pre-game Girardi audio and Bruney blasting K-Rod)
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc, Podcast on Jun 13, 2009 
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YANKEES (35-26)
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Cano 2B
Posada C
Matsui DH
Cabrera RF
Gardner CF
Pitching: LHP Andy Pettitte (6-2, 4.22).
METS (31-28)
Castillo 2B
Cora SS
Beltran CF
Wright 3B
Sheffield DH
Tatis 1B
Church RF
Santos C
Martinez LF
Pitching: RHP Fernando Nieve (0-0, 0.00).
TIME/TV: 4:10 p.m., FOX.
STATE OF THE ‘STRIPES: The Yankees have lost four of their last seven games but won an unlikely 9-8 game last night thanks to a dropped pop-up by Luis Castillo. They start the day two games behind Boston in the AL East.
STATE OF THE METS: The poor cousins from Queens have lost three straight and seven of their last 10. They trail the Phillies by four games and are 13-17 on the road.
SUBWAY STATS: The Yankees are 38-29 against the Mets. The Mets have won five of the last eight games, however. Derek Jeter has reached base safely in 48 consecutive interleague games dating back to June 25, 2006. The Yankees are 125-89 in interleague games.
SO WHO IS THIS GUY: Fernando Nieve, a 26-year-old right-hander, has thrown two innings in the majors this season and 109 in his career, most of them with Houston in 2006 when he appeared in 40 games, 11 as a starter. He was 3-1, 4.29 as a starter for the Mets in AA and AAA this season.
ANDY’S NOT SO DANDY: Andy Pettitte has lasted only 16 innings in his last three starts as he has allowed 18 hits and walked 13.
MO WANTS A SAVE: Mariano Rivera has entered a tied game eight times this season. He is 1-2 with a 6.23 ERA and opponents are hitting .316 against him. In 15 save situations, he has a 1.72 ERA and opponents are hitting .217 against him.
A-ROD UPDATE: Alex Rodriguez has one home run in his last 18 games.
THEY’RE HOT: Hideki Matsui has five hits in his last 10 at-bats. Mark Teixeira has nine homers in his last 15 games. He leads the AL with 20 homers. His 54 RBI are third in the AL.
THEY’RE NOT: Johnny Damon is 1 of his last 14 with four strikeouts. Jose Veras has appeared in one game since June 2.
TOUGH IN TOUGH TIMES: The Yankees lead the majors with 21 come from behind wins. They have won 12 games in their final at-bat and are 10-6 in one-run games.
MAKE A PLAY: The Yankees have made at least one error in nine of their last 10 games.
Back with much more later on.
BRUNEY UPDATE: 1 perfect inning, no strikeouts. 12 pitches 8 strikes, hit 94 on the gun. Pop to short, fly to center, grounder to third. Girardi said they would consider activating him after the one appearance. They would wait until Tuesday I would guess.
UPDATE FROM THE CLUBHOUSE, 1:35 p.m.: Johnny Damon feels fine and things he made need to cit down on the caffeine. … Girardi said he needed to talk to Joba and Posada about the bickering during the game. That has been going on since 2007, actually. Two strong-willed guys. … I asked Girardi about using Damon for Swisher instead of Gardner last night in the ninth inning. He said, correctly, that Swisher has bad numbers against K-Rod. He was hoping Gardner would get on and steal second.
The tarp is on the field and it is raining lightly. I’m sure they’ll try everything to play.
UPDATE, 1:43 p.m.: Here is Joe Girardi’s pre-game interview session. He touched on assorted topics:
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Oh, yeah, just a regular day off for Swisher. He could use one.
UPDATE, 2:54 p.m.: So Brian Bruney pitched his one inning for Trenton then spoke to a few writers there. He had this to say about last night’s game and Mets closer Francisco Rodriguez:
“Couldn’t have happened to a better guy on the mound, either. He’s got a tired act,” Bruney said. “He gets what he deserves, man. I just don’t like watching the guy pitch. I think it’s embarrassing.”
Bruney is talking about how Rodriguez celebrates after the final out. In the interest of being fair, we asked K-Rod for his response. He seemed baffled by what Bruney said.
“I don’t even know who that guy is,” he said. Rodriguez seemed tempted to say more but declined further comment.
Bruney and Rodriguez have no history as far as we know.
As for how he pitched, Bruney offered this: “It was important for me to face hitters, just because it’s kind of a different gear than throwing live BP or bullpens or anything like that. I think everything came out well and everything felt good. I think the next step will be rejoining the team.
“I felt good. I did what I wanted to do, attack hitters and pitched in the zone. I threw all my pitches. I was just looking to just throw and make sure it felt good.”
UPDATE, 3:11 p.m.: MLB.com has has a cool link. It’s of the four calls of last night’s final play. In order: Michael Kay, Gary Cohen, John Sterling and Howie Rose. They all did a good job for the most part.
I did notice one thing on the relay: Castillo was on his knees when he retrieved the ball, which prohibited him from throwing it to the plate.
UPDATE, 3:19 p.m.: Tarp still down, light rain falling. Doesn’t look like an on-time start. It always rains on the Subway Series.
UPDATE, 4:04 p.m.: I should learn not to underestimate the grounds crew. We’ll have baseball at 4:10 p.m. Cloudy but dry at the moment.
UPDATE, 4:06 p.m.: You know what would be funny? If Yankees fans gave Castillo an ovation when he comes to the plate to start the game.
UPDATE, 4:33 p.m.: Hey, the Yankees walked a guy. Pettitte headed for 40 pitches in the second inning. This pitching staff has serious problems that the offense is covering up.
UPDATE, 4:36 p.m.: Name one Yankees pitcher who has met or exceeded expectations this season. Just one. CC Sabathia, I’d say. Who else? Pettitte is headed for another five-inning outing — if that.
UPDATE, 4:44 p.m.: Pettitte got lucky there as Jeter went to his left (yes, his left) to snare a hot shot off the bat of Cora and turned it into the final out of the inning thanks to a nice scoop by Teixeira. But he is already at 54 pitches.
UPDATE, 4:47 p.m.: So much for that home run drought. Meanwhile, this park is a farce. That was a routine fly ball and it just kept going. I have no idea what the cause is, but the Yankees have some serious remodeling to do. They’re going to wreck their pitching staff playing 81 games a year here.
Raining again, by the way.
UPDATE, 5:11 p.m.: The immortal Fernando Nieve has allowed one hit in three innings, a Yankee Stadium home run by A-Rod. Is that fancy new video room they have actually open?
UPDATE, 5:22 p.m.: Pettitte is at 83 pitches after four innings. He has allowed seven hits and a walk but only two runs. Fernando Nieve is still pitching like Fernando Valenzuela.
UPDATE, 5:29 p.m.: Nieve is perfect outside of A-Rod’s solo homer and walking A-Rod in the fourth. Pettitte needs a quick inning here and maybe be can give them six innings. But getting through Beltran, Wright and Sheff quickly won’t be easy.
UPDATE, 5:35 p.m.: Like I said. … Another brutal start for the Yankees. Pettitte has (so far) allowed 10 hits in 4.1 innings. Mets lead 4-1.
After getting the gift last night and knowing Santana starts tomorrow, this is a poor effort all the way around for the Yankees, as dreary as the weather.
UPDATE, 5:44 p.m.: Omir Santos and Fernando Martinez are 5 of 6. … Pettitte so far: 4 12 5 5 1 2.
Yankees down 5-1. This does not look much like comeback win No. 22. The Mets are going to have to drop a lot of pop-ups.
UPDATE, 6:00 p.m.: One day you’re the set-up man in the eighth inning, the next you’re pitching in the sixth inning with the team down 5-1. No wonder the bullpen is a mess. Go get ‘em, Alfredo Aceves. Jose Veras, it would seem, is completely useless.
Yankees have put a big stamp on this game and mailed it in so far.
UPDATE, 6:08 p.m.: Pettitte has allowed 12+ hits 10 times in his career, twice in the last 26 days.
UPDATE, 6:15 p.m.: Fernando Nieve has thrown a two-hitter through six innings. The one run he allowed was a cheapie home run. It’s his first start in the majors since June 15, 2006.
UPDATE, 6:20 p.m.: Gotta love Sheff, the man does not get cheated when he swings. That ball stayed hit.
This game is over. Mentally the Yankees have picked up the bill and checked out.
UPDATE, 6:24 p.m.: It’s 6-1 in the seventh inning … Jose Veras warming up. So that’s his role.
UPDATE, 6:36 p.m.: That’s it for Fernando Nieve, who departs in the seventh having allowed four hits and two walks. Yankees have runners on the corners and two outs.
UPDATE, 6:42 p.m.: With Bruney knocking on the door, this outing could determine whether Veras is DFA’d or not.
UPDATE, 7:17 p.m.: This game is three hours of my life I’ll ever get back. What a tedious affair. The Mets finished with 17 hits. Sadly, that’s eight fewer than the most the Yankees have allowed in a game this season. Cleveland had 25.
Back later with clubhouse reaction.
This kid will probably shut down our lineup today………..
If he does they all should have a bat stuck up thier…
Francessa was hilarious after the Burnett game against the Sox
“0-3 in big games, but he can bake one HELL of a pie. He can bake them, throw them…. He can’t get anyone out, but he can bake one hell of a pie.”
I know a lot of people give in easily and every time the Yankees lose, or a pitcher pitches poorly, or someone slumps, they say the Yankees suck and we have no chance and we should fire Girardi. Pete disagrees with these people’s views and consistently says that it’s still early in the season, and a 3 game skid isn’t going to kill us. I am not of those people who is ready to throw the towel in. However, I feel like it’s late enough in the season that most of what’s happened up to this point is at least somewhat of a good indicator of where the team is going and what the rest of the season is going to look like, and to me, there seem to be some glaring issues. I’d like to know what you guys think about some of these:
1) Starting pitching. I know a lot of people complain, but honestly, this is one of the things I’m not worried about. CC is great, Pettitte’s fine for what we expect him to give us, Burnett isn’t giving us what we wanted but hey, maybe he’ll turn it around, Joba is so-so but he’s also a back-end very young starter right now so I’m fine with him, and Chien Ming Wang/Hughes (I’ll call them the 5th starter) aren’t great (actually I would take Hughes as a 5th starter anyday, but not Wang the way he’s pitching now). But honestly, you can’t expect your team to be unhittable from top to bottom.
2) Bullpen. This to me is the biggest weakness by far and I can’t see certain guys just turning it around. I can’t see the Yankees at the end of the season with these guys going into the playoffs as a favorite. I mean, look at the Red Sox. They have about 8 guys in the bullpen who Francona and the Sox fans can rely on. We have 1 guy in Mo (struggling lately, but I still feel the need to trust him), maybe 2 (Bruney when healthy). Not much more than that. Some guys here and there fill in nicely (Coke, Aceves, Robertson), but the bullpen right now isn’t going to win us a championship. I’d like to know how you guys feel about this. Whether you think this group can get it done, why they’re struggling right now, whether they need to bring in new guys (and how many), and where you see them at the end of the season.
3) Coaching. I love Dave Eiland and I think he’s great. I remember him working with the young guys a few years ago and he was great. With all the struggles the pitchers are having now, and the feeling that nothing’s being done about it, I have to wonder whether he’s actually that good or not. Is he to blame at all, or is this out of his control? Also, this falls on Girardi also. Speaking of Girardi, I honestly think he’s terrible. That doesn’t mean get rid of him mid season. But I find myself questioning his moves waaaaaay too often. Do you think any of the Yankees’ problems can be attributed to coaching?
4) Vs. Red Sox. I know it sucks they keep losing to them, but I haven’t found myself kicking myself about it yet. The good news is that the Yankees are 6 games up on the Red Sox when they don’t play each other. Why do you think they keep losing to the Red Sox? Do you think this is a bad sign for the season or the playoffs?
Sorry for such a long post. This is actually a modified version of an email I sent to Pete, but I want to get other people’s perspectives on this too. Please respond. Thanks.
Worried about Andy against this lineup
As we saw, they can still score. Sheff, Wright, Beltran, Church… vets like Tatis and Cora can get some timely hits
I don’t think we’ll do much against this rookie.
rookie ?, he’s a journey man.
I would have been more nervous if they brought up Niese or someone… a crafty lefty, a la JA Happ
This guy Nieve throws hard and nothing else.
During all this verbiage I don’t see anyone debating the RF problem. It is totally painful. Swisher, between his rainbow arm, poor fielding reads and extended batting swoons makes for a very bad situation. The question is; Can Nady recover enough arm by the All Star break. I would almost be tempted by Ajax if he curbed his strikeouts, he is batting 340 in AAA.
Nieve, 95 mph and a slider and a breaking ball that is suspect.
JA Happ has talent. Niese is so so but e prbly would have been better for them here.
“Jose Veras has appeared in one game since June 2.”
See, there’s a silver lining after all.
Joe and Evan next on WFAN
Bo knows, my contempt for Swish-for-brains has been well documented here. He wow’d everyone the first month so he still has some backers…although I haven’t heard anyone nominate him for President in awhile.
Swisher not in the starting line-up today.
I posted this a week ago or so, thought I’d post it again. A blown save by K-Rod when he was with the Angels, he tried showing up the ump but it led to him losing the game. I’d much rather see A-Rod jack one out last night, but if the Yanks had to win this way, I’m glad it happened to Frankie. Check it out:
http://oakland.athletics.mlb.c.....0&v=2
Repost 2
Also, people should head over to Pinstriped Bible to read this article from Goldman. Here’s the link:
http://pinstripedbible.mlblogs....._aver.html
Basically, as much as people have been getting on Swish, Cano has for the most part escaped the ire of the fans and media although he is deserving of it. When he’s cold, he’s too cold. And with his lack of patience, he should not be behind A-Rod. And if some of you point out the homer last night, save your breath and look at a trend that spans more than one AB or one game. I love Cano, but I love him batting somewhere else lower in the line-up.
someone explain to me what the yankees added in swisher that they could not have had with abreu? anyone? anyone?
“someone explain to me what the yankees added in swisher that they could not have had with abreu? anyone? anyone?”
An extra 13 million or so…
Mets lineup:
today’s lineup:
Castillo
Cora
Beltran
Wright
Sheffield
Tatis
Church
Santos
Martinez
http://twitter.com/MetsWFAN
so I take it the Yankees arent sending anyone down and bringing up a fresh arm for their bullpen?
i’m still ecstatic about last nights win.
I shut it off as soon as I heard Evan say the Mets showed a ton of fight and won the game. Both teams played horrific baseball…..period. Castillo is a member of the Mets, so no…….the Mets didn’t win the game.
Christina,
Guess not. The only “fresh” arm they have today is Veras.
Aceves too, but if he pitches today, he would have pitched 3 of the last 4 days.
Evan Roberts: “The Mets won the Game.”
He can’t even speak
“someone explain to me what the yankees added in swisher that they could not have had with abreu? anyone? anyone?”
1. They didn’t know thew were going to get Teixeira at the time, and 1B is Swisher’s best fielding position.
2. Once the Yankees got Teixeira, Swisher wasn’t going to RF…he was supposed to be a bench player. As you recall in the first week or so of the season (before Nady got hurt), this worked out great.
3. By getting Swisher, we were able to get rid of Betemit, who brought absolutely nothing to the team and was probably a bad influence on Cano and Melky attitude-wise.
Betsy – They DID win the game.
That was such a fluke win, how can you rationalize it any other way? If I was a Mets fan, I’d feel the same way.
“asically, as much as people have been getting on Swish, Cano has for the most part escaped the ire of the fans and media although he is deserving of it.”
Cano is consistently one of the most reviled players on the yankees.
How many times is he essentially described as either stupid or lazy?
All of the time. When his performance lags it is consistently attributed to those factors – he is stupid or lazy or doesn’t care.
There’s no comparison between Swisher and Cano over the past week. It’s apples and oranges.
Right now people aren’t unhappy with Swisher due to his offensive performance (which has so far this season been wildly inconsistent making his aggregate stats difficult to interpret).
The reason why people are unhappy with Swisher is that he has made one remarkable mental mistake after another.
To get doubled off on back to back nights with the play in front of you – in front of you – is remarkable.
That and his careless defense have been the issue.
And I’d take what Goldman has to say about Swisher with a grain of salt. All off season he was adamant to the point of being rude to those who disagreed with him that is was obvious that Swisher had to play over Nady. Adamant about it and I believe part of his evidence for doing so was Swisher’s defense – which to date has been poor.
What happened to Evan’s voice?
This is brutal lol
Mariano pitched around Beltran… no idea why. He was brought in specifically TO face Beltran.
“June 13th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
What happened to Evan’s voice?
This is brutal lol”
He was at the game.
Avi,
RE: Dave Eiland; I believe that he keeps blaming Wang’s problems on not being able to take what he’s doing in the ‘pen to the mound, and keeps saying he can’t stand behind him all the time…What is that? Really, that’s all you have to offer and to the press of all people? I can’t believe he couldn’t be more professional than selling out one of his pitchers; regardless of his recent woes.
RE: Girardi; I honestly don’t think he has confidence himself in his decisions. I think he is questioned even by the players, maybe not directly or verbally, but you know Jeter has to be wondering when Phil Coke is coming from the pen in a close game a la Game 3 in Boston, what is Joe thinking? When your players question you, that’s not good, and I’m pretty sure that they are.
Starting pitching: you go through these issues during the season, I think AJ will work out of his funk and if Wang doesn’t; Hughes will fit in just fine. Andy will be fine as well, he is giving more than I actually thought he would. And of course, no worries with CC:)
BULLPEN: obviously, here’s the glaring problem. I don’t buy the stats about Mo not being able to pitch well in a non-save situation, pitching in tied or up a run, still pressure situation, s/b fine. for whatever reason, it is what it is, but we are all still trusting Mo. Bruney is throwing in Scranton today, hopefully when he comes back he will be reliable for 7th and 8th innings, and then our problems become more to just get our starting pitching to pitch well through 6.
CATCHING: Couple things going on with Posada, granted this is all hearsay: Jorge doesn’t like Joe and Joe prob knows this. the starting pitchers, besides Andy, would rather pitch to Cervelli (Molina). Joba shaking him off is not good and Joe and Eiland need to be give Joba direction on this or put him in the ‘pen (lol). Cervelli really seems to give the team a nice young spark and is smart on the bases and can gun down with the best of ‘em stealing 2nd. Is it time to rest Posada more than he has been and when not totally resting, DHing him more often and give Matsui some breaks?
we do have a lot of good things going that most teams would salivate over: Tex playing so well; defense and at the plate; Jeter playing way better than anyone expected for his “age”, Damon still coming through, A-Rod making the team play better since his return (even though he’s not playing well) Cano is certainly much better than last season and as for the outfield, well that’s in another post:)
Jim, I hated the win as much as anyone, but as long as Luis Castillo plays for the Mets, then they LOST the game. Did we say that the Yankees won the game after Mo blew the first game in Boston (HR to Bay)? After all, they had the lead in the 9th inning, too……..
Jim, I hated the win as much as anyone, but as long as Luis Castillo plays for the Mets, then they LOST the game. Did we say that the Yankees won the game after Mo blew the first game in Boston (HR to Bay)? After all, they had the lead in the 9th inning, too……..
Bruney update:
1:15 PM — Bruney threw 12 pitches in the first inning; 8 strikes and 4 balls.
Two pitches to Emmanuel Garcia, two to Jose Coronado, and then eight to Josh Thole.
I saw one of Bruney’s fastballs on the gun, and it was at 94 MPH. Videos, photos and whatnot coming. Stay tuned.
http://thunderbaseball.wordpress.com/
CB,
Give Swisher a break… he has a cool haircut and plays loud music in the clubhouse, he deserves a pass.
“Jim, I hated the win as much as anyone, but as long as Luis Castillo plays for the Mets, then they LOST the game.”
Betsy, I don’t get the first part of your statement. You hated the win? How does that make any sense? I could understand you saying that you hated *the way* we won, but to say that you hated the win sounds kinda strange to me. Wins, no matter how we get them, are going to get us to the playoffs. How can you hate a win?
RS – from what I’ve seen of Swisher at first, he’s even more immobile there than in RF. Who decided that he would be a good fit at first or RF? He’s a DH, which we already have a ton of.
You’re right, no one predicted Nady would get hurt. But wouldn’t the wise baseball decision in the off-season have been trade either Nady or Swisher (there were rumblings a few teams were interested), re-sign Abreu, platoon Cabrera and Gardner in center, play Damon in left and play Abreu in right (and use the left over of Nady or Swisher as a right handed bat against a really tough lefty).
I think Abreu had a better upside than Nady and Swisher. Out of Nady, Swisher and Abreu, I think Abreu is the best overall player, and yet we gave him up for 5 million.
I never read Goldman – just don’t like him.
What I don’t like about Cano is that he’s a very talented hitter who doesn’t seem able to hit about 6th or 7th in the lineup. That absolutely handicaps the Yankees – someone of his ability should be able to hit higher in the order. He’s also very hot and cold – not very reliable at all. I can understand why people would want to trade him…..
“I saw one of Bruney’s fastballs on the gun, and it was at 94 MPH. Videos, photos and whatnot coming. Stay tuned.”
STAY HEALTHY !
I admit, I find it hard to feel sorry for K-Rod for his blown save, given the showing up antics he’s had at times. Perhaps karma?
“Henry knows that. Knows what slipped through his fingers.
And he’s still grasping at what he lost.”
do you mean the 500 million or so he’s lost in the last year or two from his hedge fund?
it’s crossed my mind that the red sox may not have as much money as people think. henry has taken a huge hit. when all is said and done who’e to say he didn’t do it all with mirrors?
he may be fixated on teixeira because henry not being able to afford teixeira’s high price represents henry’s new position as a financial lightweight among the really wealthy.
henry’s net worth may not be much more than teixeira right now.
Laura, that’s what I meant. I didn’t hate the win, but I have to tell you that I was not particularly happy last night. We escaped…..pure and simple. To me, last night’s game was a continuation of the poor play that the Yankees have exhibited since the last homestand (yes, I know they went 4-2, but they didn’t play that well). To me, this team has severe problems that I don’t know can be fixed……and I’m still disgusted about the Fenway sweep.
“Right now people aren’t unhappy with Swisher due to his offensive performance (which has so far this season been wildly inconsistent making his aggregate stats difficult to interpret).”
Could say the same about Cano. And yes, you are right, they are upset with Swisher for his boneheaded moves, this week. But when he was slumping offensively two-three weeks ago, they were talking about that, not his play in the outfield.
I remember Goldman talking about Swisher over Nady, don’t get me wrong, I follow him. But honestly, you can’t compare Swisher to Nady’s performance because Nady has not played more than 7 games. So it makes no sense to say Nady would have done better overall.
Regarding the “stupid/lazy” comment, I would not call Cano “stupid”, but I would call his ABs impatient for the most part and when he’s cold, that impatience leads to an automatic out with minimal effort from the opposing pitcher. Cano is not “reviled” among fans, people are frustrated with his “aggressiveness” for a player that could see his productivity skyrocket if he showed a modicum of patience at the plate.
“I think Abreu had a better upside than Nady and Swisher. Out of Nady, Swisher and Abreu, I think Abreu is the best overall player, and yet we gave him up for 5 million.”
I agree that Abreu would have been better than both Swisher and Nady, but you are forgetting how things turned out time wise. Cashman declined to pick up Abreu because in arbitration, he would have commanded over $16mil. That would have been a huge overpayment. After that, Abreu was still looking for double digit millions. We ended up picking up Swisher, not to play RF, but as a buffer just in case we didn’t get Tex. Meanwhile, Abreu is still trying to get money from somewhere to no avail. We end up signing Tex and are now left with Swisher and no place to play him. They decide to platoon him in RF with Nady. At that point, they had too many RFers so it didn’t occur to them to check with Abreu. At that point, they didn’t think they needed him. It wasn’t until much later that Abreu signed with LAA for $5mil. At the time when we would have been interested in him, his price was still too high and we had two guys already on the payroll to man RF.
“What I don’t like about Cano is that he’s a very talented hitter who doesn’t seem able to hit about 6th or 7th in the lineup. That absolutely handicaps the Yankees – someone of his ability should be able to hit higher in the order.”
Granted, I may be confused because I was up late and haven’t slept much, but this really doesn’t make sense to me.
More stuff on Bruney:
1:20 PM — Bruney is DONE after one inning and 12 pitches. He did not allow a hit, nor did he strike anyone out. A riveting performance. Ryan Pope is out to start the second.
“Swisher a break… he has a cool haircut and plays loud music in the clubhouse, he deserves a pass.”
What’s amazing about Goldman’s recent articles on Cano and Swisher is the way he completely ignores how similar they’ve been at the plate this year.
This is what he writes about Cano:
:Yet, Cano really hasn’t been hitting on all cylinders since April’s .366/.400/.581. While he hit for good power in May, his batting average dropped to .272, and since the six walks he took in April stayed in April, his on-base percentage for the month was under .300. This month he hasn’t hit anything at all. Despite 13 multi-hit games since the end of the season’s first month, Cano has batted only .248/.281/.392 in his last 38 games. The average American League second baseman is hitting .271/.333/.410, so as always with Cano, Hot Robby is a real contributor and Cold Robbie is a real problem.”
And this is a valid criticism. Cano is extremely streaky.
But he’s called out on that all of the time.
And it’s ironic that Goldman brings this up as some kind of defense of Swisher.
Swisher has been as streaky as Cano this year. I have no idea what to make of Swisher’s offensive production.
He started the season scorching and then fell off a cliff. The past two weeks he’s gotten hot again so his overall numbers look good.
But Swisher – like Cano – has really been two completely different players at the plate.
And that’s compounded by Swisher’s egregious mistakes on the bases and in the field.
Cano has played well defensively and hasn’t made mistakes like Swisher’s awful base running.
Bruney had a perfect one inning. Two fly outs and one ground out. No speeds reported.
Theres nothing more pitiful that a 60 year old man, broadcasting his sour grapes on Twitter.
Is this really what its come to?
Betsy – There is a difference between blowing a save and giving up legit runs, and losing on a botched pop up.
If we had scored a go-ahead run of Papelbon in the top of the 9th on a big hit by A-Rod…. and in the bottom of the 9th, if Mariano induces a pop up with guys on base to Cano to end the game and seal- what would be – an enormous victory and he drops it and Boston wins… how would we feel?
It’s not fans nature to give credit to the opposing team. Would we be giving credit to the Sox if that happened to us? No, we would talk about how that game was ours and we won the game, not them.
Not that it matters because a win is a win and loss is a loss, but you can understand why Mets fans would feel that way. Wouldn’t we?
“Laura, that’s what I meant. I didn’t hate the win, but I have to tell you that I was not particularly happy last night.”
I had a feeling that’s what you meant. I understand not being happy with how we played yesterday. To me, the fault lies with Joba. 4 innings just isn’t going to cut it. Girardi pretty much was happy they won, but very concerned about how badly we pitched.
*than* not that.
GB7 is a BAD influence on me.
What doesn’t make sense, Angel? He does handicap the Yankees….A hitter of Cano’s ability should not have to hit 7th in the order. He has the ability to drive in runs, but because he simply can not hit higher than 6th (or so it seems), the Yankees have to hit him lower in the order where there are fewer RBI opportunities. That said, maybe I’ve overrated Cano.
Laura, yep – Joba was dreadful. On most boards, he’s immune from criticsm. Fans have decided he’s the savior and so, when he doesn’t pitch well, it’s the Yankees fault. In the last 4 games, our SP has not gotten out of the 4th inning – how pathetic is that?
Evan sounds like he wants to curse in 50 different languages, Beningo is actually CALM
, I can imagine the radio breaks what’s being said.
This was a bad loss for the Mutts, but their fans are acting like the world is ending. If the shoe had been on the other foot, I’d be pissed at Cano, but I don’t think that I’d be all gloom and doom.
Montero singles in his first at bat. Richie Robnett singles in his first at bat as a Yankee farmhand.
Who’s your favorite player on the Yankees? (current)
the yanks getting those runs on the popup are about as dumb as the runs joba gave up on runs/ hit batters. neither are supposed to happen and are undeserved runs.
oops walks, not runs…
Jim, I would so infuriated if anyone on the Yankees did that I wouldn’t have time to bemoan the fact that we lost and should have had a win. Woulda Shoulda Coulda Coulda………It’s semantics at this point because I don’ think the Yankees deserved to win, either.
i can’t get excited about bruney until he proves he can stay healthy for more than 6 weeks at a time.
it’ll be nice having him back, but the yankees still need more 8th inning help.
CB,
For the record I’ve seen a lot less of “Cano is lazy/stupid” this year.
I think a lot of fans, myself included, are giving him a pass and laying off/changing our tunes because he showed up in April for a change.
That said, I think he needs to hit lower in the lineup. It seems like the higher you put him his results are not the same.
I would rather have Jorge batting behind Arod or Swisher or Matsui than Cano.
If Cano can hit .330 batting 7th and drive in runs but can’t do that for some reason in a higher spot in the lineup then put him lower and let him rake.
Also, I think his defense has been exceptional this year. I think he showed up committed to be a different player than he was last year.
The streaks I’ll live with. What I was having a problem with in Cano was the effort (especially defensively) last season and the patterns that he took the early months off and didn’t start hitting until late June/July.
I do expect more from him. His on base is putrid. He seems to struggle with RISP, but he looks like a better player this year and I love his fielding. Some of the DP’s he’s turned are just beautiful this year.
Joba really was horrible yesterday.
Pitching Pitching Pitching
Pitchers have to perform better. Das it
“Hot Robby is a real contributor and Cold Robbie is a real problem.”
We will be looking a long time for a second baseman who never has a cold streak. That player doesn’t exist, and never has. The problem with Cano is the lack of patience when he is cold. But, that agressiveness is what makes him a great hitter as well. IMO, I would rather have Cano over any other second baseman in MLB besides Utley.
BTW draft news but the Yankees signed Gavin Brooks
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=.....#038;gl=us
I’m glad swish is out of the lineup….watching his at bats irk me for some reason, it seems he never wants to ‘make it happen’…can’t stand players w/ that approach at the plate but he is a great guy and personality but I’d rather see him as a part time player if Nady ever comes back….
Angel (F) – ‘Cos you know I was OPP(C), hell from the very start
June 13th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
than not that.
GB7 is a BAD influence on me.
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Consider yourself lucky that you only picked up my bad spelling habits. When you start thinking like me, you’re toast. You’ll get nasty emails and probably banned.
Although, it might be fun to drive someone nuts.
Joba has been our 2nd best pitcher this year, despite his growing pains.
He is being asked to pick up the slack from Burnett and Wang. Andy hasn’t been great either despite his win total. Joba was supposed to be our #5 starter in a stacked rotation… now he is pushed higher in the pecking order.
He is a young pitcher who will go through growing pains and ups and downs. He is going to show good things and bad things. There is no way he should be our 2nd best pitcher. That has to correct itself if we want to go anywhere.
People knocking Girardi for bringing in Damon to replace Swisher don’t mention the Damon at bat, he worked that at bat like a true pro, similar to the Pedroia at bat. Yes, Damon struck out but K Rod had thrown a lot of pitches. He had A Rod set up but our Nimrod was going for the hero again, swinging from the heels on a 3-1 pitch, zone hitting – hah. Stroke a single, maybe a gapper wins the game, play like a highly paid professional. Anyone remember the Nimrod SO in the seventh inning on a slider in a different time zone? Two walks and he strikes out on three pitches. Compare that to the Teixeira at bats. Lost in the shuffle, Nimrod embarassed himself again.
Betsy
June 13th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Jim, I would so infuriated if anyone on the Yankees did that I wouldn’t have time to bemoan the fact that we lost and should have had a win. Woulda Shoulda Coulda Coulda………It’s semantics at this point because I don’ think the Yankees deserved to win, either.
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No such thing as didn’t deserve to win. NYY have lost games before that they “didn’t deserve to lose”.
“Laura, yep – Joba was dreadful. On most boards, he’s immune from criticsm. Fans have decided he’s the savior and so, when he doesn’t pitch well, it’s the Yankees fault. In the last 4 games, our SP has not gotten out of the 4th inning – how pathetic is that?”
Extremely pathetic, considering that the starting pitchers know how iffy our bullpen is. They know how important it is for them to go deep into games. And Joba wasn’t too upset in his post game interview, which irked me.
A-ROD UPDATE: Alex Rodriguez has one home run in his last 18 games.
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Does anyone think that it is the lack of PEDs that is responsible for A-Rod’s low batting average so far? I hope not but it is in my mind.
“I admit, I find it hard to feel sorry for K-Rod for his blown save, given the showing up antics he’s had at times. Perhaps karma?”
Karma!
I also didn’t realize I was three threads behind. (No jokes necessary.)
GO YANKEES!!!
“Who’s your favorite player on the Yankees? (current)”
Jorge Posada. He was my favorite when he started his career in NY, & he’s still my favorite now. I remember I did a project on him when I was younger in school. I like what he does on the field and off. Sometimes I don’t think he gets the respect that Jeter does, but he contributes. He’s probably slowed down over the years, but I still have to say he’s my favorite person.
I dont know, lol. I was hoping you’d clarify for me what you meant, because I thought I was misunderstanding him handicapping the Yankees.
I guess as long as he drives in runs lower down in the order, I’ve never really thought of that as handicapping the team by not doing it higher up in the order, at this point in his career and given the current team lineup anyway. Thats why ARod, Tex and Matsui are on the team, after all. The way I see it, RBI opportunities aren’t exclusive of the first 5 positions in the lineup.
Maybe in a few years he’ll be batting lower down in the order, and more in line with your hopes for him? I think sometimes people forget he’s still got a few more years ahead of him to develop and he’s really only been in the majors, what…2 and a half years, IRC? His rise through the organization to the majors was a little Joba-like.
Derek Jeter always has been and always will be my fav Yankee.
2nd is def Andy Pettitte
“Cano has batted only .248/.281/.392 in his last 38 games”
I wonder what Jeter’s avg was in the month a few years ago when he went 0 for thirtysomething?
Arod is hitting @.240 in a month since he has been back.
Tex hit @.200 in the first month.
Everybody has bad months, it isn’t conclusive evidence that Cano sucks forever because he hit .248 in May. If that is his low point, I’ll take it. Or, we can just trade him somewhere for the 2009 version of Ken Phelps and watch Robi become a great player in another uniform.
I have to say that I am not unhappy to see Swisher sitting down. I like Damon in the lineup frankly.
I’d like to see us score in ways other than hitting HRs.
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Does anyone think that it is the lack of PEDs that is responsible for A-Rod’s low batting average so far? I hope not but it is in my mind.
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Or it could be that your mind is influenced by PED’s of your own, and the words hip surgery escaped out of a valve somewhere? Possibly?
“For the record I’ve seen a lot less of “Cano is lazy/stupid” this year. ”
I agree with that. It’s definitely been more tempered.
I have always been struck by how when Cano performs badly at the plate it’s so often attributed to a lack of intelligence or effort.
Swisher has been as streaky as Cano this year and made eye opening mental mistakes and I don’t think I’ve seen anyone describe him as stupid or lazy.
And I agree with you that Cano should be batting lower in the line up. He’s making outs a precipitous rate. The notion that alternating left-right handed batters to the line up being worth having Cano hitting 5th is odd. But Girardi really likes those kinds of match ups.
Cano got off to that hot start but his OBP is discouraging. I think this is the year where the yanks have to see what they have in him. He’s not that young anymore.
Why can’t people get it through their heads that swinging the bat to hit the ball hard and driving it is not the same as “swinging from the heals”.
Interesting comments from Girardi about Jorge/Joba…..Joba is a youngster and should not be that stubborn. I think he probably has an inflated sense of self.
“But Swisher – like Cano – has really been two completely different players at the plate.”
I disagree there. If you mean they are both streaky, then yes. But Swish is consistently patient at the plate, will actually work a walk and get on base. Cano’s OBP is .330, .34 points higher than his BA, Swisher OBP is .391, .140 points higher than his BA. So at least Swisher will get on base if he’s slumping, generally Cano will not, and not only that, he will make it easy for the pitcher: among starting second basemen he is second to last in pitches seen per plate appearance. Swish and Cano, those are two completely different players at the plate.
And don’t tell me that nobody’s called Swisher “lazy” or “stupid” in the last few weeks as he’s botched all those plays. They have.
Good Afternoon everyone.
When are they going to use Ramiro Pena? I like his play.
“Girardi said he needed to talk to Joba and Posada about the bickering during the game. That has been going on since 2007, actually. Two strong-willed guys.”
Yeah and Posada bickered with El Duque. And Posada bickered with Mussina. And Posada bickered with Johnson. He’s got that fiery personality that doesn’t always work well with a pitching staff. I hope Girardi manages to contain this. Maybe it will make for greater understanding of each role and more harmony in general between pitchers and catcher.
“The notion that alternating left-right handed batters to the line up being worth having Cano hitting 5th is odd. But Girardi really likes those kinds of match ups.”
I agree there, 100%.
Angel (F) – ‘Cos you know I was OPP(C), hell from the very start
June 13th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
A-ROD UPDATE: Alex Rodriguez has one home run in his last 18 games.——————————-
Does anyone think that it is the lack of PEDs that is responsible for A-Rod’s low batting average so far? I hope not but it is in my mind.
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Or it could be that your mind is influenced by PED’s of your own, and the words hip surgery escaped out of a valve somewhere? Possibly?
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As bad as he wants to remind everyone “how bad Rodriguez is hitting”, Rodriguez is still well ahead of Teixeira’s numbers in the same number of at bats. And, that’s without a real spring training.
Abreu does not have an up side. He’s an old baseball player that led all AL RFs in reverse fielding. In other words he’s a putrid fielder that cancels his offensive prowess.
How about Andy goes 7 strong today?
Last thing we need is a 5 inning, 5 run specialty. This bullpen is bad enough as it is, we don’t need to continue to expose it for 4-5 innings every night. Not only are these guys overworked, they are not very good to begin with.
The only possible reason, which couldn’t be b/c he didn’t see him, for Castillo throwing that ball to 2nd is if he saw Al rounding 1st. With that I said it once I’ll say it again, Al, has super powers, he clearly slammed the bat so hard that he caused the ground to shake and the ground shake reached Castillo when he took his path to the ball.
“Yeah and Posada bickered with El Duque”
In all fairness, I think El Duque kind of liked that. & he had a temper as well. I always thought Moose and Jorgie were fine together.
Wouldn’t be the first pitcher to not be comfortable with Posada
“And don’t tell me that nobody’s called Swisher “lazy” or “stupid” in the last few weeks as he’s botched all those plays. They have.”
I haven’t called him either thing but I have felt that his play was infuriating, especially as it led to not great things in the games.
“Does anyone think that it is the lack of PEDs that is responsible for A-Rod’s low batting average so far? I hope not but it is in my mind.”
Go back and look at the video from last night of the yankee celebration after Tex scores.
Cano comes out and jumps on Alex’s back.
The first thing Alex does is grab his right hip.
His hip is still not 100% and he’s not in baseball shape yet.
Both Alex and Wang are essentially performing at spring training speed right now. Tough for the big league club but they need both those players – especially Alex – so you have to live with the bumps. Alex has been nowhere near as bad as Wang but he’s clearly still dealing with the injury and disuse.
Consider yourself lucky that you only picked up my bad spelling habits. When you start thinking like me, you’re toast. You’ll get nasty emails and probably banned.
Although, it might be fun to drive someone nuts.
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Been there, done that. Bought the T-Shirt.
See you’re a worse influence than you knew.
“Girardi said he needed to talk to Joba and Posada about the bickering during the game. That has been going on since 2007, actually. Two strong-willed guys.”
Posada truthers rise up!!
Angel, no problem. I sometimes don’t make myself clear in my haste to post, lol. I like Cano, I really do – but he’s frustrating. That said, I can say that about everyone in this lineup.
GB, I know you’re right intellectually. I still have lingering annoyance about the Sox series, so I’m not inclined to think all that positively right now.
frank, after Mussina retired stuff came out where he wasn’t always comfortable with Jorge. He put the icing on the cake by calling Molina the best catcher he ever worked with.
I like Molina. He’s got that soothing way about him, or so it seems.
Has Doreen posted this morning or late last night? I’d be interested to hear her take on the game last night.
People have criticized Swisher, but as others have pointed out… the venom towards him was not nearly as much as there would be towards someone like Cano for making the same blunders.
Again, it is all about perception. Swisher’s personality helps him in that regard.
I notice nobody mentions Melky’s stellar hitting in the last month.
“Posada truthers rise up!!”
Uh why, because Pete reported that there was a lot of bickering, and Posada and bickering are not necessarily new?
Or are you so immune to any truth regarding Posada that it is almost pavlovian to you to immediately jump on the cause when you see his name associated in a less-than-positive way?
Just curious.
It’s amazing the grief Alex gets – only he can come back from major surgery and get it from the fans (the same ones who cheered him when he hit game winning/game tying HRs – hypocrites). Someone should tell CAno and the other players that they can’t be jumping up and down on Alex like that….
Joba has the right to have a sense of entitlement. As Alex from Bedminster said, since he became a starter, only 5 pitchers have lower ERAs
Joba is the 2nd best pitcher on the team, he has the right to dictate how he calls a game.
Angel-she posted this morning on the “Wrapping it up from the Bronx” post and gave her account of last night.
Angel, Doreen did post. I think it was in what would have been the last thread of the night.
Evan Roberts- The Mets didn’t win the game yesterday. You have to make the plays. Castillo didn’t.
And K-Rod is skating on this. He put the Mets in a position to lose. He deserves criticism. If he gets Jeter out and doesn’t walk Teixeira, even if Castillo made an error on a play it doesn’t cost the game.
Betsy, not only did Alex come back from major surgery-he worked really hard to come back early.
Mo is my favorite, by far. I’ve always loved Phil – he’s my guy- and I love AJ (I don’t want to hear about it, lol – I didn’t say he wasn’t disappointing).
Remember that game against the Mets last year, the first game of the doubleheader where Delgado had like 10 RBIs against us and the game lasted like 5 hours?
Yesterday’s game was like that too… just brutal to watch (until the 9th inning).
“It’s amazing the grief Alex gets – only he can come back from major surgery and get it from the fans”
Normally ppl are still rehabbing after that procedure. I know, no win situation either way.
“you know Jeter has to be wondering when Phil Coke is coming from the pen in a close game a la Game 3 in Boston, what is Joe thinking? When your players question you, that’s not good, and I’m pretty sure that they are.”
Jeter told you that in your dream? Otherwise how did you know that?
It has become fashinalble for the people to bash Girardi here. As Rishi wrote yesterday, there is a reason why Girardi is the manager and so many here are nothing but arm-chair pundits.
Girardi is dealing with the cards he is dealt with and hopeully things will improve with Cash making some moves before the trading deadline.
Whether people want to recognize or ignore, Yanks are doing well, inspite of these supposed problems, and will be wildcard if the season ends today. That is inspite of all the injuries, ineffective bullpen etc.,. and it should only get better.
I guess some people just want to feel miserabale every day for no reason and there is nothing we can do about them
No pitcher has the right to feel entitled, and I don’t care how well Joba has pitched. I don’t like that attitude in anyone, veteran or youngster
“So at least Swisher will get on base if he’s slumping, generally Cano will not, and not only that, he will make it easy for the pitcher: among starting second basemen he is second to last in pitches seen per plate appearance. Swish and Cano, those are two completely different players at the plate.”
I was referring to them being streaky. But what you wrote about Swisher above has not been true at all this season. Not even at all. What you written there is a general theory people about about the impact of BA on OBP. Players who walk can slump but still get on base, etc.
But that has not been empirically true of Swisher when he fell into that cold streak.
Swisher has a .311 OBP in May with a .275 Slg %. That is awful.
So when Swisher slumped his OBP fell precipitously and fell to a level that isn’t very different from the OBP Cano is generating now when he’s in a slump.
Now Swisher only hit .150 during his slump (which is utterly horrendous) so you could in theory say well look his OBP was still double his BA during the slump. But it would be absurd to give him credit for hitting .150.
Swisher has been remarkably streaky this year and his OBP has not been even close to constant during those streaks.
The big question with him is whether that streakiness was due to getting hit in the elbow or if he’s just inherently that streaky. Coming off that terrible year he had last year there’s a lot of open questions on him.
But quoting his aggregate OBP right now is almost using a selective end point. Three weeks ago his aggregate OBP had plummetted to around .330 as I remember (which is roughly where cano’s is now).
Where will Swisher’s OBP be three weeks from now? I personally have no idea if he’ll fall into another slump where he only gets on base at a .310 clip for a month so I have no idea.
K-Rod admitted that he walked Teixeria because of the stadium effect— he thought he had a better chance facing the righty A-Rod and having him hit it to the deepest part of the park, rather than face Tex from the left side with the short porch.
He said if they were playing at Citi he would have pitched to Tex.
You’re going to be seeing this strategy a lot from the pitchers. Makes sense if you think about it.
Joba only went 4 innings last night. This isn’t a first time/it happens thing either. This is who he has become. The good starts are more rare than the short starts. He has no right to shake anyone off.
I think that the yankees should trade Cano in the offseason and look at trading Arod as well because both of them are useless. There not clutch and they show no effort or heart, and personally I’m just sick of them. I look at Boston and their players like dustin, kevin youkilis and they play with heart and determination. And girardi, eiland, and Brain Trashman need to go as well. Bring back Watson, and Gene Michael.
Why are Beningo and Roberts interviewing Phil Coke?
Couldn’t they find anyone else?
I’m sure Teixeira being hot and Arod being cold now played a factor too in the ninth.
Yes Alex has all these things going for him. Unbelievable talent, dedicated, hard worker. That’s why it’s so frustrating to see him coping badly with a challenge. Power requires body torque, simple as that. With his bad hip he’s handicapped. The old adage, play within yourself. He’s guessing pitches to start his bat early and pulling everything. How many balls has he hit to the opposite field? Obviously I want him to do well, it’s these brain cramps of his that drive me.
“Why are Beningo and Roberts interviewing Phil Coke?
Couldn’t they find anyone else?”
What’s wrong w/ Phil Coke interviews ?
“With that I said it once I’ll say it again, Al, has super powers, he clearly slammed the bat so hard that he caused the ground to shake and the ground shake reached Castillo when he took his path to the ball.”
That is funny and I like it
Bruney better be 100% forthright this time with his injury
We can probably forget about Marte
I admit to having ambivalence to the who trumps, pitcher or catcher, issue. I think there is always something to be said for both sides, with the edge going to the pitcher. If a pitcher does not want to be responsible for his game and gives it over to the catcher (a la Pettitte), then I say so be it. If a pitcher wants more control over his game, then I say that is the way it must be. As Leiter pointed out, it’s better for a pitcher to be 100% behind his pitch and end up throwing the wrong one than to be 50% committed. A pitcher has a sense of what he has working and what he doesn’t have working.
Betsy, I don’t know if I have a favorite Yankee. They’re all my favorite. I think of Da Melk as the player I just love to death because I think he has so much promise and energy, and I really believe in him. But I don’t think that would make him my favorite as opposed to the one I just love to root for!
Cervelli is my favorite player in terms of eyes.
Manson, you are right Joba has every right to call his own game and should. Cone says all the time “I’d rather a pitcher throw the wrong pitch with 100% conviction than the right pitch with 50%.” The pitcher is ultimately responsible for the ball coming out of his hands as Jom Kaat says all the time.
Last night had little to do with Posada not being on the same page with Joba and more to do with Joba not locating his pitches and being all over the place. Unless of course you think Posada called for him to plunk two batters and walk five.
“There not clutch and they show no effort or heart, and personally I’m just sick of them. I look at Boston and their players like dustin, kevin youkilis and they play with heart and determination”
Jeremy so knows baseball.
I am guessing that Castillo get much applause from the Yankee fans when he first comes up to the plate today.
“I think that the yankees should trade Cano in the offseason and look at trading Arod as well because both of them are useless.”
If they are useless why do you think other teams will trade for them? Think for a minute.
BBFan, it’s the only thing that makes sense
Hey trish..same thought! you are right it was Lieter who said that!
Swisher has been brutal as of late so I am glad he is on the bench today. Let him enjoy his play now because he will be seeing the bench a heck of alot more when Nady returns.
Oops, DB, I thought it was Leiter who said it.
Did you see my post to you a few threads back? I asked for some advice on my pitchers. Please read it when you get a chance, if you didn’t already. I did drop a hitter and pick up Percival.
For me, Tex is becoming…dare I say….Mattingly like.
Can anybody post some splits of Robi Cano at his current age and Big Papi at the same age.
DB
I just gave you credit for it being Coney! I do think it was Leiter.
No Trish I missed it I’ll check it out
If Posada scares these pitchers so much, why can’t he force Burnett to throw a changeup?
He should use his stubbornness to his advantage, not hinder the pitchers.
I actually think Tex is better than Donnie Dodger
Especially in this ballpark, he should put up monster numbers.
Andy has only gone less than 6 .. 3 times this season out of 12 starts
Joba has gone less than 6 … 6 times out of 12 starts
I think calling Joba the 2nd best because he’s a couple points lower in his era is a little bit of a stretch.. Maybe we should factor the Bullpens ERA in his starts too.
“Does anyone think that it is the lack of PEDs that is responsible for A-Rod’s low batting average so far? I hope not but it is in my mind.”
Go back and look at the video from last night of the yankee celebration after Tex scores.
Cano comes out and jumps on Alex’s back.
The first thing Alex does is grab his right hip.
His hip is still not 100% and he’s not in baseball shape yet.
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Thanks CB, I appreciate that reply.
New Hot Redsox/Yanks Topic:
As i’m watching the Baseball Show on NESN today, Lou Merloni and the other announcers said that during the pre-game Thursday the 3rd base umpire for that game had his kids there wearing Redsox gear and waited for the Sox to come out of the tunnel and have the players give his kids autographs.. Is this insane for an umpire calling a game to have favortism?
I recall during the game numerous times that there were checkswing calls sent down to third base ump who declined swings on Sox players, specifically Ortiz in the 8th inning that clearly he went around on. I can’t remember the umps name, but this clearly steams me as a fan of the Yanks!! I am glad that the Foxsports of NE came clean and showed no favortism in agreeing that this wasn’t right either..
Peeved in NH about this episode of umpiring!!
“I actually think Tex is better than Donnie Dodger”
Yeh, I have to agree there, he reminds me of Bernie, IDK why but he does only he’s a 1B and has no base stealing ability. Could you imagine this guy in Boston ? thank you Mr. Henry and Cash for swoopin’ in.
“If Posada scares these pitchers so much, why can’t he force Burnett to throw a changeup?
He should use his stubbornness to his advantage, not hinder the pitchers.”
I listened to Jim Kaat do the BoSux game the other day on MLB network and he talked about the way that Jorge calls a game vs. other catchers – - – he said that Jorge puts aside the scouting report that the team goes over before the game and tries to think about what he would be looking for at the plate if he was facing the pitcher.
I don’t know enough about it to know whether this is the way to go or not, but there is no question that multiple pitchers have a problem with it. I just care about the result.
Frankly, he could have a shouting match w/ the pitcher and if he hits a 3-run hr I am fine with it.
The Yanks should stick Lonn Trost in the same cone of silence as Hank Steiny.
Headline – Yanks: We’re not adjusting fences.
http://today.sportingnews.com/.....0613/?pg=2
based on recent Trost statements (home plate net, price of Legend seats) – this probably means the fences *will* be adjusted after the season.
Thanks, SA and Trisha.
*off to have a look*
Lonn Trost is an idiot. I hope I have the pleasure of meeting him one day.
Truther axiom: fire never melted steel.
Hmmmmmmm.
Posada’s fieriness never melted Joba’s steely resolve?
Here’s a simple thought exercise: Posada caught Joba’s masterful 8-inning effort and he caught Joba’s less-than-stellar start last night. Is it more likely that there was something different in Posada’s performance or in Joba’s?
Is there usually greater variation in pitcher’s performances from start to start or in those of the catchers?
Terry of course that’s despicable. I hope it wasn’t that loser Jerry Meals because he has been known to brutalize the Yankees, who knows why. He’s like the second coming of Angel Hernandez.
I love Tex, but he’s not better than Don Mattingly. Before Donnie got hurt, he was the best player in the game – Tex is not that. Defensively, no one will ever stack up to Donnie in my eyes. Tex is superb at first, better than Tino – frankly, he should have his GG locked up this year already – but he’s not as good as Donnie.
a follow-up to my last post..
that same umpire was behind the plate in Wednesdays game also.
Heyman twitter:
Castillo agreed to talk to media. Good for him. “I can’t sleep”
Terry, I can only hope that if that umpire used his preference to in any way influence the game, he will be visited by karma and that the karma will have an effect on both teams at some point!
to whoever said Nieve was a “journey man,” he is 26 and has pitched 3 major league seasons for a total of 109 innings…
I’m just sayin.
Hey TKinDC, good to see you around these parts again. Your take has been missed.
Feel very bad for Castillo, on a human level. Of course it worked to our benefit, but he’s still a person walking this earth.
It is too bad Billy Wagner isn’t around anymore to pile on a teammate who screwed up – he had such a gift for it.
I do believe Trish that it was Meals who did that series.. I am kinda outraged about these events coming out about this series. It’s hard enough to win, but it’s clear to me that there are alot of Yankee haters out there. It’s almost like the Phillies game with no review of that foulball/HR call that could’ve sent the Phils to a win!
“I love Tex, but he’s not better than Don Mattingly. Before Donnie got hurt, he was the best player in the game – Tex is not that. Defensively, no one will ever stack up to Donnie in my eyes. Tex is superb at first, better than Tino – frankly, he should have his GG locked up this year already – but he’s not as good as Donnie.”
Not sure about that one, Betsy. It’s been so long since I’ve seen Donnie play that I can’t categorically say that. I think that it’s close. Not sure who comes out on top, but I think it’s close. One thing is certain; Tex is frakin’ awesome. That play from his knees where he had to throw over the runner’s head; awesome play. If he doesn’t win the GG this year, there’s no justice in the world.
Hi Nick – fun to be back in the mix and I hope you and everyone is doing well – a Livan Hernandez start was too tempting to pass up, even if he was on an innings diet
I had to go through a lot of decompression after last year’s playoff swing and miss but this season has been encouraging so far.
“to whoever said Nieve was a “journey man,” he is 26 and has pitched 3 major league seasons for a total of 109 innings…
I’m just sayin.”
I said it, he’s 26 not that special, just decent, was Tanyon Sturtze that special, what Nelson Figueroa. He was an Astro just like Veras was a Pirate, nothing special there.
Gerry Davis was the home plate umpire Weds and 3B ump Thursday for the Red Sox -Yankee series. He is also the crew chief.
If Castillo values his sanity, he needs to forget about last night. It was one error and one game. It’s June; they are only 4 behind PHI. There are 100 games left. He needs to move on. He can start that process on Monday.
Nieve can still be a journeyman. It just hasn’t been much of a journey.
Hey maybe Hughes pitches the 8th inning today.
I mean Yusssse
“He needs to move on. He can start that process on Monday.”
journeyman-journey-Don’t stop believing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip1zsUIosoA
or open arms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfYInIWoO1k
I think that the yankees will go on a little nice run as they face some of these weak national league teams. But this team has many flaws and despite what many here believe this team is clearly not like the yankees teams of 1996-2003. I don’t see any fire, and when I see it it only comes from Tex and Joba. The team has one of the worst bullpens like the Rays, a lack of clutch hitting, and weak starters such as A.J. and Wang. Girardi is a fool but the biggest fool in all of baseball is Crashman and his management. Until things change from management to the field the yankees are not going to the world series this year and they aren’t going to win a championship for a long time.
Okay so it was Davis who hates the Yanks. Damn Sox lover!!
journeyman-journey-Don’t stop believing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip1zsUIosoA
After last night isn’t it time to return Joba to the 8th inning setup role. I had enough of him as a starting pitcher
After last night isn’t it time to return Joba to the 8th inning setup role. I had enough of him as a starting pitcher.
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No. Find some patience. There will be ups and downs with him
“After last night isn’t it time to return Joba to the 8th inning setup role. I had enough of him as a starting pitcher”
No. And sad for you, sad.
Trish, since you are so far over on your Pitcher’s pace it should make it easier for you. Only start your best 4 starters for the week. Try not to get involved with starting a guy just because he is pitching that particular day. Look for guys with low whip and era and your stats on those will get better and better. It’s a long season.
Bronson Arroyo has 7 wins but his whip, era, and k’s are awful. Floyd is also spotty. Spann’s spot would be better served with a reliever in your case.
So, start Kuroda, Lee,Shields, and I’d say Burnett since I think he is about to turn it around (just a gut feeling). Put all your other guys on the block, including Joba (gotta give something in order to get). If you can’t get a closer into the other 5 spots spots than fill it up with some quality set up guys. Always start as many quality relievers as you can since there is a chance they will pitch any day. Try to have 6 relievers.
Its still early in the season so pay attention to the “back of the baseball card” theory. A lot of guys dump players who start slow but are career HR or RBI guys. Hold onto Bartlett he will rake when he gets back.
btw, I think I got Cliff Lee from you earlier in the year after dumping him.
For years, I’ve been posting on various websites that I think Mariano Rivera is, for some reason, not very effective in tied games. I think it’s risky to use him in such situations, unless there’s no alternative. Last night, I groused at the TV when I saw that Girardi was bringing him in in the 8th. I just don’t get it. Girardi will use Damon over Swisher against K-Rod because of Swisher’s “history” with K-Rod. But Mo’s “history” in tied games means nothing. That’s just plain dumb. The Yankees were very lucky to win that game.
“He needs to move on. He can start that process on Monday.”
And after he goes commando on the rest of the league he needs to relapse back into it when we go to citifield, b/c there and only there will he be truely able to move on.
Orange J
June 13th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
I actually think Tex is better than Donnie Dodger
Especially in this ballpark, he should put up monster numbers.
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Hell, Teixeira should be better than Mattingly. Mattingly’s 48 years old and Teixeira’s 29.
“Manson, you are right Joba has every right to call his own game and should.”
the manager is in charge not the pitcher. for instance if girardi says no sliders next game, there’ll be no sliders next game. they make up a game plan in a meeting. the oitcher or catcher implements it.
with a veteran like cone he’s earned the right to call his own game ,but it’s with the manager’s permission.
you don’t think a pitcher decides when he’s going to pitch. why would you think a pitcher has the final authority on deciding the pitches he’s going to throw.
when posada is catching pettitte say and they are are the same page, pettitte may hit a point where he doesn’t feel good in the middle of an inning on say his cutter. he’ll shake it off. that’s the right thing to do. if he can tell the catcher ahead of time in the dugout all the better.
the point isn’t that the catcher is the boss. it’s just easier for the pitcher to worry about just executing rather than think of what pitch to throw plus executing.
joba has just gone way overboard on shaking posada off. he can do it sometimes but not every other pitch.
“And after he goes commando on the rest of the league he needs to relapse back into it when we go to citifield, b/c there and only there will he be truely able to move on.”
Exactly, Brandon. Of course, with the ill will that Castillo has been garnering, he may not be in a Mutts uniform the next time we play them.
Stultus Magnus
Swisher right in the middle of that celebration.
Wow DB, thanks!!!!!
I am actually thinking about picking up Bruney since if he’s at all on, I should be picking up Ks. I had Hanrahan and Zeigler but both were really having problems so I dropped them. I’m a little nervous at the prospect of picking them up. I have really become fond of Spann, especially since he has given me average and SB. (I’m trying to make up ground wherever I realistically can.) But if I can get a reliever for him, I’ll do it.
I was reticent to give up Joba because of the Ks, but if it gets me a reliever or closer with enough of an upside, I’ll have to do it.
Thanks again.
I believe in Luis, Laura.
“After last night isn’t it time to return Joba to the 8th inning setup role.”
I don’t want to see him walk in the winning runs…
“I think it’s risky to use him in such situations, unless there’s no alternative. ”
For his career Mo’s ERA in tied situations is around 2.75.
No other reliever in the pen has even remotely that good a career ERA.
So what you’re saying in “no alternative” is that Mo is not as good a pitcher in a tied game situation as the alternative choise of say Coke or Robertson or Veras now. Or say Stanton and Nelson in the past.
How is that assertion plausible?
None of those guys have a career ERA as good as Mo’s is in the very situation you keep posting that Mo can’t be trusted in. They are less trustworthy because they aren’t close to being as talented and as good as mariano is.
And using unadjusted bivariate statistics to draw conclusions from is completely erroneous. Bivariate statistics are extremely limited and you can’t draw conclusions from them. That’s not their purpose.
Joba is a typical youngun, too many press clippings. Needs the 2 x plank tuneup, “pay attention”.
“Stultus Magnus
Swisher right in the middle of that celebration.”
I’m dense, did I miss something?
Then the other thing is finding someone who wants to make a trade! Not everyone is in first place or close to it but only you and Fran showed any sign of interest. And I was offering a pretty good player.
Okay, off to further cull my team!
“Is there usually greater variation in pitcher’s performances from start to start or in those of the catchers?”
nick in sf-
it depends on how many concussions the catcher has had. modern medical imaging shows every concussion does permanent brian damage. so as a former catcher i’d say it’s likely it was joba who was different, but it’s not out of the question one of posada’s mutiple personalities popped up.
i know what you’re thinking.
the answer is five for me
CB, I read your last post re: the Swish v. Cano. Good points made. Just didn’t feel like battling over it anymore…today. Like I said, I like Cano a lot but I like his potential more, so I get down on him when I see him not having decent ABs.
… that’s concussions needing medical treatment.
OT – great show on Investigation Discovery (ID) about two people fishing in the Sea of Cortez who became stranded on a barren island for two weeks. Talk about indomitable spirit and the will to live.
DB – any advice for my team?
randy l.
June 13th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
“Is there usually greater variation in pitcher’s performances from start to start or in those of the catchers?”
nick in sf-
it depends on how many concussions the catcher has had. modern medical imaging shows every concussion does ***permanent brian damage*** . so as a former catcher i’d say it’s likely it was joba who was different, but it’s not out of the question one of posada’s mutiple personalities popped up.
i know what you’re thinking.
the answer is five for me
It’s a well known fact that you don’t like Cashman, but, that’s pretty low to make a comment like that.
“Just didn’t feel like battling over it anymore…today.”
Not really a battle at all. Just a discussion. Both Cano and Swisher have shown dramatic variation in their offensive production. Despite Swisher being extremely patient and Cano being extremely impatient both have empirically demonstrated wide swings in their OBP (and slg %) so far.
They’ve had similar seasons offensively to date in terms of variation in performance.
That’s all I was saying. Will that continue? No idea.
Does anybody think that Shelley Duncan is wasting away in AAA? 310 BA 379 OBP 20 HR 56 RBI’s
“Does anybody think that Shelley Duncan is wasting away in AAA? 310 BA 379 OBP 20 HR 56 RBI’s”
He can’t hit a breaking ball, the Yankees scouts know that otherwise he would be here. He IMO becomes a trade chip, MLBTR site is selling his value right now.
Trisha, have you considered the possibility that your poor showing in fantasy baseball is karmic retribution for misdeeds elsewhere in your fantasy life?
(Just kidding – even so-called experts flail at that stuff)
“It’s a well known fact that you don’t like Cashman, but, that’s pretty low to make a comment like that.”
gb7-
what’s cashman have to do with concussions?
how could he get hurt getting coffee for george?
bump his head looking for the creamer ?
I think that the yankees should trade Cano in the offseason and look at trading Arod as well because both of them are useless.
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No one else, but the Yankees, can afford ARod’s contract. He’ll be here for 8 more years.
Giants are in the WC mix, they might want a bat come this summer..keep that in mind.
What is the starting pitching ERA since Posada returned compared to the month prior? Great hitter calls a bad game…………
speaking of brian,where has cashman been lately?
haven’t heard much from him.
maybe he’s trying to keep up with the red sox and is learning how to tweet .
i think he’d be a very good tweeter.
there’s just something very tweety about him.
“Giants are in the WC mix, they might want a bat come this summer..keep that in mind.”
Matsui? Nady? Maybe for Jonathan Sanchez or Brian Wilson?
Ha, a Bruney/K-Rod feud brewing:
UPDATE, 2:54 p.m.: So Brian Bruney pitched his one inning for Trenton then spoke to a few writers there. He had this to say about last night’s game and Mets closer Francisco Rodriguez:
“Couldn’t have happened to a better guy on the mound, either. He’s got a tired act,” Bruney said. “He gets what he deserves, man. I just don’t like watching the guy pitch. I think it’s embarrassing.”
Bruney is talking about how Rodriguez celebrates after the final out. In the interest of being fair, we asked K-Rod for his response. He seemed baffled by what Bruney said.
“I don’t even know who that guy is,” he said of Bruney. Rodriguez seemed tempted to say more but declined further comment.
Bruney and Rodriguez have no history as far as we know.
Not sure about that one, Betsy. It’s been so long since I’ve seen Donnie play that I can’t categorically say that. I think that it’s close. Not sure who comes out on top, but I think it’s close. One thing is certain; Tex is frakin’ awesome. That play from his knees where he had to throw over the runner’s head; awesome play. If he doesn’t win the GG this year, there’s no justice in the world.
Donnie made that play in his sleep.
Eric: very funny! You’ve been paying attention.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY34dImcGgg
Today in AA one of the best sights I’ve witnessed in awhile.
I posted the Yankees’ ERA with each catcher behind the plate last night as evidence that Posada was doing a lousy job behind the plate and the reason why most of the Yankee pitchers allegedly/reportedly/according to unconfirmed rumors don’t want Posada behind the plate when they pitch.
I believe it was E-gawa who very astutely pointed out that Posada’s numbers were skewed by the fact that he had been behind the plate during four of Wang’s disastrous starts (his first three and his last one).
Randy L. correctly pointed out that many factors go into a pitcher’s ERA — including which pitchers they caught, where they pitched, whether they were hot/cold/healthy/etc. or not when they pitched and the team(s) they pitched against.
Nonetheless, I’ve attempted to go back and adjust the Yankee catchers’ ERAs for all of Wang’s appearances — let’s call them Wang-adjusted catcher’s ERA. So with all of those caveats in mind, here’s what I came up with:
Catcher Catcher ERA Catcher ERA Innings
(w/Wang included) (Wang Adjusted) (Wang-Adjusted)
Cash 3.49 3.48 24
Molina 3.66 3.66 115
Cervelli 4.45 4.32 135-1/3
Posada 6.46 5.61 213-1/3
I think the biggest question is whether the statistics are skewed by the fact that Posada’s innings are before A-Rod came back, during which time the team’s ERA was about 2 runs higher, or whether the team’s ERA was 2 runs higher in large part because Posada was behind the plate. Obviously, I think it’s the latter. And again, allegedly/reportedly/according to unconfirmed rumors, most of the Yankees’ starting pitchers seem to agree. BUT NEITHER I NOR ANYONE ELSE CAN KNOW FOR SURE. I just was curious to see what the numbers would look like adjusted for Wang’s innings and wanted to share the results with you.
Thanks, again, to E-gawa and Randy l. for very astutely pointing out some of the deficiencies in my original post and my overly simplistic thinking and the limitations of the calculations in any case — even adjusted for Wang’s innings. Nonetheless, I found the numbers interesting and thought that some of you might find them interesting, too.
I may not be able to join you guys, or be sorely time constrained/mostly unavailable during the game and for the balance of the evening. However, needless to say, please feel free to check my numbers and/or use them as you wish.
(To make it as easy as possible for you to check my numbers, here’s the page with the unadjusted figures: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....g?team=nyy. And here are the figures I used for Wang’s Innings and Earned Runs for each catcher (which I tried to tally accurately, but can’t guarantee) from http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....yerId=6209) so far this year:
Catcher Innings Earned Runs
Cash 5.0 2
Molina none none
Cervelli 6-2/3 5
Posada 9-2/3 27
(For anyone wishing to check these totals, the only game with innings split between two catchers that I could find was the May 31st game during which Wang pitched 3 scoreless innings. During that game, based on the play-by-play, I calculated that 2 innings were caught by Cervelli and 1 inning was caught by Posada.))
Bruney shut up
“Matsui? Nady? Maybe for Jonathan Sanchez or Brian Wilson?”
They need to be healthy, but yes something can be worked if they prove to be healthy, I can’t think of a better team to get relief help from.
Bruney vs. K-Rod under the O’Neill banner?
We need to figure out when all these fights are gonna happen.
““I don’t even know who that guy is,” he said. Rodriguez seemed tempted to say more but declined further comment.”
LOL. Hate to say it, but that was a great response by K-Rod.
randy l.
June 13th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
“It’s a well known fact that you don’t like Cashman, but, that’s pretty low to make a comment like that.”
gb7-
what’s cashman have to do with concussions?
how could he get hurt getting coffee for george?
bump his head looking for the creamer ?
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That’s what I’m asking you. You’re the one that mentioned concussions and ***permanent Brian damage*** in the same sentence. I doubt that he’s brought Big George his coffee in at least 10 years.
In the “have you ever seen anything like it?” category, I recalled attending this all-timer in Baltimore and looked it up:
http://www.baseball-reference......6040.shtml
Oh the humanity.
just imagine what brian bruney thinks of joba
More like Bruney vs. K-Rod under the Jeff Nelson banner.
I’m not sure Cervelli counts on that list. He hasn’t even been up in the majors that long. Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s done a great job filling in, but he hasn’t even been here for a season yet. Posada’s been here for years.
Also, the yanks need to start DHing Jorge more, look at the pitchers ERA when he catches vs. our backup catchers
I hope that Bruney is telling the truth this time about his injury. If he’s feeling even the slightest discomfort, he should inform the Yankees ASAP. The last thing we need is for him to pitch on Tuesday and something else go wrong with his elbow.
Jay,
Are you suggesting that Posada is the problem for Wang. He didnt catch all his games. Cisco caught one as well, and Wang didnt end up doing that spectacular with him either.
Randy l,
Regarding Posada’s catching skills….
Based on my experience and knowledge of the game, I’m not qualified to carry your jockstrap. It’s just that in two episodes of the kid’s show on YES, when Tony Pena and Jose Molina were talking about the fundamentals of catching, one or both of them talked about (1) how one should not try to block pitches with the glove only, but use your entire body and (2) how one should keep one’s hand protected behind one’s back. And it frustrates me every time I see Posada do neither.
Second, I don’t think he has control of his emotions or uses his head in critical situations the way that (I so hate to say this) Varitek does. For example, I think Varitek knew very well what he was doing when he baited A-Rod and then, in a very cowardly fashion, didn’t take off his catching gear. And my impression is that Varitek, who you may have gathered I don’t like at all, is a far superior catcher — as evidenced by the fact that pitchers allegedly/reportedly love to pitch to him as much as they allegedly/reportedly don’t like pitching to Posada.
But again, your knowledge dwarfs mine. Just my two cents worth….
Bruney is an idiot for saying that…
“how could he get hurt getting coffee for george?
bump his head looking for the creamer ?”
randy,
In light of this comment I assume you don’t have much respect for the professional accomplishments of say Barry Diller or David Geffen?
I ask because you’ve spoken about your own experiences running a business with respect to issues of accountability and how those cross over to baseball.
By most yardsticks I’d say Diller and Geffen have been wildly successful in their respective industries.
Both of them pretty much started out in the same way Cashman did at the Yankees.
Diller and Geffen both started out on the mail room at the William Morris agency running errands, getting coffee, getting laundry, etc. etc. At William Morris in the 1950′s I’m sure there was no lack of demeaning tasks they were asked to do while in their early 20′s.
They’re often cited as the classic examples of visionary industry leadership arising from the lowest rung of the business ladder.
They had no particular expertise or content knowledge when they started.
This is typically how leadership has been developed in many corporations in the US in the past and even now in Japan.
Now that’s disappearing in the age of MBA’s and celebrity executives.
But that was the old school way in which people became successful within organizations.
They started out without a lot of first hand knowledge/ experience in the content of the business and started out at the bottom rung and worked their way up.
Why is that such a problem in baseball?
You got a nice team there Fran. It looks like your weakness is runs and sb’s and you have three catchers…you might want to re-think that. Runs and swipes go hand and hand. Weiters is a phenom but hasnt proved crap, start Soto and don’t look back.
You are also +17 on pitcher pace, look to dump your worst starter and pick up a reliever. That’ll even you out nicely.
No, Hurrybacknady!, I’m just showing the team’s ERA with each catcher behind the plate excluding the “Wang effect”. It’s truly amazing what a Wang can do, isn’t it? (A Wang can really screw things up. Etc.
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http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.....id=5026043
#1 call of the night Howie Rose
#2 Garey Cohen
#3 Kay
#4 Unfornately Sterling has to be on this list
“Randy L. correctly pointed out that many factors go into a pitcher’s ERA — including which pitchers they caught, where they pitched, whether they were hot/cold/healthy/etc. or not when they pitched and the team(s) they pitched against.”
jay-
no that was cb with the rational proof.
i prefer personal anecdotes that i can’t prove
which drives nick in sf crazy
it used to drive gb7 crazy , but he’s gone over the edge so we get along fine now.
Bruney should shut his mouth, hes no one to rip on Krod when he has Joba as his teammate. They should have asked him how he feels about Joba’s over the top celebrations. At least krod has reason to celebrate after a save, what has joba done in his career or Bruney for that matter?
BTW Eduardo Nunez if he doesn’t get stabbed again might be the next big 5 tool prospect after Austin Jackson.
randy l., I love reading your posts on catching. It would make sense that the catcher and pitcher are just trying to institute the game plan laid out by the manager. In Joba’s case, nothing we seen last night would lead us to believe that though. He was just all over the place in his pitch selection and control.
CB: the only problem with the Diller/Geffen analogy is that we have yet to really see the same end-result success with Cashman. In my optimistic view, we’re on the verge of that, but it’s still in the future. But overall, nice point.
“Second, I don’t think he has control of his emotions”
haha of course he can lose his temper at times. Look at his heritage. We have fiery attitudes.
“In light of this comment I assume you don’t have much respect for the professional accomplishments of say Barry Diller or David Geffen?”
cb-
i was just ragging on brian a little to warm up when i really need to get on his case.
but your point is well taken.
there are a lot of ways to pay your dues.
Can anybody post some splits of Robi Cano at his current age and Big Papi at the same age.
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Records were not kept when Ortiz was Robby Cano’s age.
Wow this entire post is basically on Posada and catching!..
I don’t think I’d want Soto on a team with a .209 average, 3 homers and 15 RBI.
Hi Jones,
I’m not presenting those numbers as proof of anything. I just think they’re interesting.
As I say, neither I nor anyone else can know whether the team’s much higher ERA with Posada behind the plate is based on cause or effect. Obviously, I think it’s primarily causal — which I believe to be substantiated by what I see with my eyes and hear about in terms of the preferences of most Yankee starters and deduce from Posada’s age. But that’s just my opinion. And there’s no reason my opinion should hold any more sway than anyone else’s and lots of reasons why it SHOULDN’T hold as much as someone like Randy l’s with his real world experience. Again, I have none.
Again, it’s just that E-gawa and Randy l. correctly/astutely pointed out that one of the factors skewing the numbers was Wang’s innings. And I wanted you guys to have the benefit of seeing the numbers with those innings excluded.
We can all draw our own conclusions about their relevance/significance or lack thereof.
Maybe Bruney should stay healthy for more than a couple weeks before he calls out K-Rod
If Rivera or Jeter wanted to call him out, fine. Who the hell is Bruney?
For a guy who hasn’t done much of anything, Bruney sure does a lot of talking.
Who the hell is Brian Bruney? He wishes he was anywhere near what K-Rod is. For a guy who can’t help his team, he should shut the hell up. The idiot can’t even stay healthy for more than 3 weeks at a time.
“Wow this entire post is basically on Posada and catching!..”
Don’t worry I’m done talking about it.
What time do you guys think there will be baseball played?
Here’s more from Bruney:
Regarding the Luis Castillo mistake, Bruney said: “Unbelievable. I’ve never seen anything like that. I have, but in high school. It couldn’t happen to a better guy on the mound, either. He’s got a tired act.”
Why the unsolicited K-Rod rancor?
“Two years ago, when he lost the game—I don’t know if anybody saw it, I did—he was in Oakland,” Bruney said. “He was pitching for Anaheim. He didn’t get a call. So he was like complaining. The catcher threw it back and just kind of did one of these. (Holding out glove at side with indifference.) It hit off his glove and bounced behind. The guy from third scored to win the game. So he gets what he deserves.”
Asked if there was anything personal between the two, Bruney added: “No. I just don’t like watching the guy pitch. I think it’s embarrassing.”
Sorry CB, Randy l.,
Obviously I can’t remember who said what…. Further reason not to value my opinion particularly highly.
randy l.
June 13th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
“Randy L. correctly pointed out that many factors go into a pitcher’s ERA — including which pitchers they caught, where they pitched, whether they were hot/cold/healthy/etc. or not when they pitched and the team(s) they pitched against.”
jay-
no that was cb with the rational proof.
i prefer personal anecdotes that i can’t prove
which drives nick in sf crazy
it used to drive gb7 crazy , but he’s gone over the edge so we get along fine now.
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Reading your posts needs to come with warning labels and a “personal antidote”. You’re poisoning my mind. I’m starting to think that you’re funny.
“It would make sense that the catcher and pitcher are just trying to institute the game plan laid out by the manager.”
db-
the manager usually delegates the game plan to the pitching coach because he can’t do everything, but he’s obviously over the pitching coach if he wants to overrule him.
what we see as fans is a catcher and a pitcher working together but there are behind the scenes meetings to get to that point. expecially with a young pitcher.
“the only problem with the Diller/Geffen analogy is that we have yet to really see the same end-result success with Cashman.”
Good point Nick. The outcomes are clearly different.
Cashman still has to perfect the art of selling Bo Obama toasters on TV at 2:30 in the morning! (love that barry diller…)
But seriously you’re right – the results still have to come given that his past success was significantly due to the team he inherited from Stick/Watson.
I hope we have the foundation in place. But no matter how much pitching the team seems to have it never turns out to be enough.
I hope that’s changed this year but that’s still to be determined.
CB
June 13th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
“I think it’s risky to use him in such situations, unless there’s no alternative. ”
For his career Mo’s ERA in tied situations is around 2.75.
No other reliever in the pen has even remotely that good a career ERA.
So what you’re saying in “no alternative” is that Mo is not as good a pitcher in a tied game situation as the alternative choise of say Coke or Robertson or Veras now. Or say Stanton and Nelson in the past.
How is that assertion plausible?
None of those guys have a career ERA as good as Mo’s is in the very situation you keep posting that Mo can’t be trusted in. They are less trustworthy because they aren’t close to being as talented and as good as mariano is.
And using unadjusted bivariate statistics to draw conclusions from is completely erroneous. Bivariate statistics are extremely limited and you can’t draw conclusions from them. That’s not their purpose.
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What happens in games means more than what statistics tell us. And what’s happened in games is that Mariano Rivera has not been particularly good in tied situations and he has stunk in such situations this year.
A 2.75 ERA might not sound so bad (whether or not that’s accurate), but such a measure doesn’t take into account the number of runners who’ve been allowed to score.
Defend Mo all you want. I don’t care. It’s not as if I’m not a huge fan of his. But tied games have been a problem for him historically.
Good for Bruney
K-Rod is a bum
Gotta agree with K-rod on this one. Who is Brian Bruney and why is he criticizing one of the best closers in the game? Come on dude you’re Brian freaking Bruney who are you to criticize K-rod? If you’re tired of his act then shouldn’t you also be knocking Joba? Maybe Bruney should concentrate more on staying healthy and less on what other relievers do. Freaking moron
randy,
question – one of the things that’s perturbed me this year is the way the team has pitched to ortiz.
I understand pitching to a perceived weakness and clearly ortiz right now has lost bat speed.
But they’ve gone to these almost stereotypical patterns of throwing the same pitch over and over to him – especially extended sequences of inside fastballs.
That lets Papi guess and cheat. Is that primarily an issue of scouting, catching or the pitcher? Combination?
“At least krod has reason to celebrate after a save, what has joba done in his career or Bruney for that matter?”
Joba and Bruney’s accomplishments don’t change the fact that K-Rod is a major jack***. Bruney is right; his act is tired. Looking up to God as if God gives a damn whether he saves a baseball game or not. He’s a loser, plain and simple.
Funniest call on ESPN Radio
“I’d like to thank Luis Castillo, b/c it’s Saturday and I’ve been trying to work w/ my eyes closed, thanks Luis”
jay-
you sparked a lot of debate last night so nothing wrong with that.
cb is in another league with his use of statistical analysis so you have to bring your A game if you’re going to get into an issue with him.
Why would the Giants want Matsui? He can’t play the OF, bad knees. Nady, if healthy, will not get you much. He is a free agent after this year.
Abreau is better than Swisher in every way unless he is near the wall.
Girardi will straighten out the Joba/Posada situation.
Bruney needs to be the 8th inning man. Why is he talking about K-Rod? Concentrate on your team which needs help in the pen.
“If you’re tired of his act then shouldn’t you also be knocking Joba?”
You can’t possibly be comparing Joba’s fist pump to the antics that K-Rod puts on after a game. Go find some video of K-Rod after a save and then come back and let us know what you think. Better yet, watch how Mo behaves after he saves a game and then come and defend K-Rod.
“We can all draw our own conclusions about their relevance/significance or lack thereof.”
haha no I understand. I’m not knocking what your saying. I may not agree with you at times but, you make your points across well. Of course you have a right to draw your own conclusions.
Patrick
June 13th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Gotta agree with K-rod on this one. Who is Brian Bruney and why is he criticizing one of the best closers in the game? Come on dude you’re Brian freaking Bruney who are you to criticize K-rod? If you’re tired of his act then shouldn’t you also be knocking Joba? Maybe Bruney should concentrate more on staying healthy and less on what other relievers do. Freaking moron
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I assume that’s your opinion.
Jay, what you posted there is all purely circumstantial and means absolutely nothing. I do appreciate you taking the time to work all that out. AND I’ll take it a step further for you.
Cash, Molina, and Cervilli have a total of 14 runs batted in.
Posada has 28 all by himself. +14.
The runs scored by the opposition in games started by Cash, Molina, and Cervelli is 121
Runs scored by the opposition when Posada starts is 132
Now, knock off 14 runs that posada gave his team and it is 118.
118 < 121
Posada has meant more behind the plate than those other three.
This thinking is completely flawed and also means absolutely nothing, but I’m bored and figured I’d play along.
Laura – All we are saying is give Wang a chance!
June 13th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
“At least krod has reason to celebrate after a save, what has joba done in his career or Bruney for that matter?”
Joba and Bruney’s accomplishments don’t change the fact that K-Rod is a major jack***. Bruney is right; his act is tired. Looking up to God as if God gives a damn whether he saves a baseball game or not. He’s a loser, plain and simple.
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K-Rod is over the top he shows up players. Even Victorino was saying the same thing. Bruney is a major league pitcher he has the right to say what he wants to about K-Rod.
what happens if this game is delayed for 2-3 hours?
Will FOX still show it, or do we get screwed out of being able to see the game?
That is my opinion, what of it? I don’t like K-rod’s act any more than Bruney but he shouldn’t be talking trash right now.
“Bruney is a major league pitcher he has the right to say what he wants to about K-Rod.”
Forget about him being a MLB pitcher. Last time I checked, this was the United States. Bruney is a citizen. That means he’s allowed to have an opinion and express it if he chooses so. The posters on here, who are *supposedly* Yankee fans, would have you think that just because Bruney doesn’t have a WS ring that he isn’t allowed to have an opinion. Strange world we live in.
Considering the weather for this game looks pretty bad, and will likely be stopped for a couple of hours and then resumed, it makes no sense that they didn’t make a bullpen move.
If Andy pitches a couple of innings and has to sit through a long delay, who do they bring in… Hughes on 2 days rest? Tomko again? Aceves is our late inning guy.
Laura-All we are saying is give Wang a chance
Would you like K-Rod in the Yankee bullpen? Enough said.
i think taht Kay call is the better, i mean, when he just make the play-to-play he’s great
the problem is when he starts to make speeches
It’s just funny that it was Bruney who said it.
That would be like Sal Fasano saying that Rivera is washed up.
Laura I’ve seen K-rod for years, I know what he does. Nobody likes it but why is Bruney the one being an idiot and talking trash? Who is he? An oft injured reliever who doesn’t have one quality season to his name.
As I said before, Bruney should concentrate more on his own pitching and health and worry less about K-rod.
“That is my opinion, what of it? I don’t like K-rod’s act any more than Bruney but he shouldn’t be talking trash right now.”
Why not? Because he’s injured? You can have your opinion, but he can’t have his? Smacks of a double standard to me, Patrick.
Bruney never mentioned K-Rod’s celebrations. He mentioned a specific incident when K-Rod let the ball roll right behind him as a run scored and he lost the game. He was comparing that to Castillo’s error last night. That’s it.
CB–
SO glad somene else noticed what I saw last night about Arod grabbing his hip as soon as Cano jumped on his back. That right there says a lot most importantly what I think many of us have been seein that Alex is nowhere near healthy at this point and IMO expectations should be looked at from that view.
Laura, you have some bizarre ideas. I don’t care if Bruney has a ring or not and yeah he’s entitled to his opinion but keep it to yourself. I don’t really like Bruney to begin with, he’s a dope.
“Would you like K-Rod in the Yankee bullpen? Enough said.”
Rose, enough said about what? Sorry, dear – but I don’t want K-Rod in our bullpen. Just like I didn’t want Manny in our lineup. K-Rod isn’t even that good. Check his stats. He blows more saves in a season than Mo does over two or three.
I read Catfish Hunters book when I was a wee lad and something he said always stuck with me. =Pre-game meetings with the manager and catcher basically amounted to pitching people one way. Doesn’t like the ball soft low and away and hard high and tight. As a kid, Catfish would throw a baseball threw a propped up tire in his back yard for hours. He attributed that to his pin point control.
I don’t care if Bruney has an opinion but as I’ve said several times KEEP IT TO YOURSELF. Do you see Derek Jeter or Mariano Rivera criticizing other players in the media?
Bruney makes some points about K-Rod but Papelfool is worse. He’s a John Rocker wannabe.
“Laura, you have some bizarre ideas.”
Why, because they differ from yours? What have I said that’s bizarre? K-Rod’s post game celebration is ridiculous. We agree there. Bruney is entitled to his opinion. Again, we agree. What did I say that was so bizarre?
“I don’t even know who that guy is,” he said. Rodriguez seemed tempted to say more but declined further comment.
Who would have thought, K-rod is the mature one?
Now I see why Arizona released Bruney, he’s an immature guy with a bad attitude.
Patrick
June 13th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
That is my opinion, what of it? I don’t like K-rod’s act any more than Bruney but he shouldn’t be talking trash right now.
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I take it that you are now the opinion police chief, then.
Why should it bother you what a some other pitcher says about a known idiot that prances around on the pitcher’s mound like a wood nymph? More than Bruney has brought it up.
“i think taht Kay call is the better, i mean, when he just make the play-to-play he’s great”
No way, The Howie Rose call was the best, Cohen was 2nd best…I’m sorry but Kay basically screamed the play all the way. Howie made you picture it, Cohen has a dynamic way of calling it.
“I don’t care if Bruney has an opinion but as I’ve said several times KEEP IT TO YOURSELF. Do you see Derek Jeter or Mariano Rivera criticizing other players in the media?”
Okay, I think I missed this in your earlier posts. It seemed to me that you were saying that Bruney hadn’t done enough in his career to have an opinion on K-Rod. Your point actually is that he shouldn’t have said it in public. I disagree, but at least now I understand what your complaint was.
I missed it, can someone point me to the Bruney comment?
“Laura I’ve seen K-rod for years, I know what he does. Nobody likes it but why is Bruney the one being an idiot and talking trash? Who is he? An oft injured reliever who doesn’t have one quality season to his name.
As I said before, Bruney should concentrate more on his own pitching and health and worry less about K-rod.”
He’s not saying nobody can have their own opinion. Don’t listen to Laura. What you say makes sense. He doesn’t have a right to trash K-rod. He’s injured. Maybe after a few seasons of playing time, he can make those kinds of remarks. He doesn’t need to cause problems when he’s having problems of his own. Before Ms. Laura gets all crazy, this is just my opinion. Not saying you have to go along with it. Calm down
“What did I say that was so bizarre?”
Implying that I don’t like Bruney because he hasn’t won a ring. Saying you don’t want K-rod on the Yankees (truly truly absurd). Boy it would suck to have a reliever with a 0.59 ERA and 32 K’s in 30 innings.
“That right there says a lot most importantly what I think many of us have been seein that Alex is nowhere near healthy at this point and IMO expectations should be looked at from that view.”
Gayle,
Unfortunately I don’t think he’s really that close to 100%. You can see it most plainly in his defense – he just can’t move.
And last night his initial reaction to grab that hip was telling. It looked like the kind of thing people do when they have a bad back. Just an instantaneous reaction (and BTW why can’t robbi stop trying to tackle alex on those post games celebrations…).
Pitcher’s have now adjusted to that weakness. That’s why he’s not hitting as well now. He can’t generate the kind of torque needed to square the ball up.
Hopefully he gets back to 100% form – because with the way Tex is playing those two will be a terror.
” prances around on the pitcher’s mound like a wood nymph?”
Almost as bad as the many faces of the lockness monster in Boston. Has anyone checked Papelbon for crack?
“Boy it would suck to have a reliever with a 0.59 ERA and 32 K’s in 30 innings.”
Were those his stats when he pitched in the AL?
That’s not the point anyway. The guy is a major tool. I see the Yankees as a class act. We don’t need idiots prancing around on the mound after saves.
GB7,
As I’ve repeated ad nauseum I don’t care if Bruney has an opinion. I’m sure lots of players don’t like K-rod’s antics. My point is, Bruney has had a pretty crappy career and shouldn’t be the one to call out K-rod. It just shows how immature Bruney is which is frustrating to me.
Woah. If someone said Bruney doesn’t have the *right* to say what he said, that is clearly silly.
I think the more germaine question is whether it was *smart* and/or *helpful* to say what he said. And yet another question was whether it was *appropriate* for someone in Bruney’s career position to say what he said about someone in K-Rod’s position.
Whatever the answer to those questions, it’s good theater and pretty funny. The ultimate question I ask in these cases is: is it good for the Yankees? I have no idea. On balance, probably not.
Bottom of the 9th on SNY right now, encore
Swisher’s OBP(.391) has not been lower than .360 all season.
Cano’s OBP(.330) has not been at .360 or above since May 6th.
Swisher averages 4.42 P/PA. Behind only Youkilis, Willie Harris and Jayson Werth. Cano’s 3.38 P/PA is tied for 282nd out of the 300 major leaguers with at least 100 plate appearances.
Swisher even when slumping adds something to the table at the plate. When Cano is not hitting all you get is quick outs.
Bruney also knows how Mariano reacted when K-Rod opened his big fat mouth last year saying he should be closing in Yankee stadium during the allstar game instead of Mariano
Duh, guess I should read Pete’s updates more often. Bruney was ASKED what he thought of the game yesterday and he gave his honest opinion. He might not be the sharpest tool in the shed but at least he is not afraid to speak his mind. Not to mention he was 100% right!
Laura
Ask Girardi if he would want K-Rod in his pen. K-Rod is one of the top closers in baseball.
I don’t like the celebrations by pitchers, including Joba, K-Rod and anybody else.
I prefer the Mo way of celebrating, classy.
“That’s not the point anyway. The guy is a major tool. I see the Yankees as a class act. We don’t need idiots prancing around on the mound after saves.”
I too see the Yankees as a class act which is why I’m ripping Bruney so hard. Calling out the opposition when you yourself aren’t even that good (and constantly injured) is hardly a classy move. It’s a joke.
I have a legitimate question though. If you don’t like K-rod’s prancing why is Joba any different? To what degree should pitchers be able to celebrate? Only fist pumps and yelling? Spin moves too? I’m confused.
“I don’t really like Bruney to begin with, he’s a dope.”
Aha!
I don’t fault people who think Bruney should keep quiet. I just don’t agree with them. He’s a major league pitcher and he has the right, IMO, to make any observation he wants to. He has to live with the ramifications, if there are any.
DB,
Take whatever runs you believe Posada has contributed with his bat and divide them by the number of games he’s effectively played (based on innings behind the plate) — which I calculate is 23.7.
If the numbers I’ve provided are causal (which neither you nor I can know) then Posada will have made up for his shortcoming as a catcher if he contributes more than 1.3 to 1,95 runs per game — or 156 to 200+ runs more per game than Cervelli or Molina over a hypothetical 120-game season. Maybe you think he can do that. I don’t.
And even if he could, in the postseason and against the best pitching and the best teams, there’s no way he could. In the postseason, pitching and defense is king.
By the way why are we debating who is better Cano vs Swisher? Because some guy wrote an article criticizing Cano? Like we haven’t seen that before. Who cares which one is better, they are both good players.
Patrick
June 13th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
GB7,
As I’ve repeated ad nauseum I don’t care if Bruney has an opinion. I’m sure lots of players don’t like K-rod’s antics. My point is, Bruney has had a pretty crappy career and shouldn’t be the one to call out K-rod. It just shows how immature Bruney is which is frustrating to me.
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Bruney’s career doesn’t have anything to do with it. It’s his opinion and he has a right to make a statement. I don’t like Chamberlain’s act either. The showboating is the major reason I stopped watching basketball and football. It’s also the reason I have and never had any use for Reggie Jackson. It’s his BS that started this wave of attention starved jerks in sports.
K-Rod’s response was perfect.
Ahaha. Bruney is Mr. Irrelevant. Just cuz you think it doesn’t mean you should say it.
I don’t get the comparison’s of Cano and Swisher. It’s comparing apples and oranges. I’ll tell you one thing, Cano doesn’t lose games on the bases or with his glove like Swisher, that’s for damn sure.
I have no problem with sports players looking up to God, giving credit to God, etc. Mo does it all the time (gives credit to God.)
I’m not particularly fond ot KRod’s raindance. I’ll have to pay closer attention, but I didn’t think Joba was quite as animated every time he got someone out. I find the Charles riverdancer to be over the top also, but that goes hand-in-hand with his ugly glaring fish stare, his frozen stance, and then his screaming fist pumps. I find them annoying. Others may not. That’s what makes the world go round.
“I prefer the Mo way of celebrating, classy.”
So do I. Same is true for a lot of the players as well. I remember when Mo got his 400th save. I remember Millar waxing about how classy Mo was about saving games. Just shaking hands with Posada and walking off the field. Baseball players notice these things. Bruney has the right to think that K-Rod is a jerk for the way he celebrates on the field. He also has the right to express that opinion if asked. Whether he should or not is up for debate.
Tarp still down?
“Bruney also knows how Mariano reacted when K-Rod opened his big fat mouth last year saying he should be closing in Yankee stadium during the allstar game instead of Mariano”
People may want to shoot me on here, & I don’t stick up for rivals, but I think Papelbon was taken out of context about closing Yankee Stadium. In fact, He has on many occasions, professed nothing but respect & admiration for Mariano even calling him “The Godfather of all closers.” Of course he would say he wants to close, he’s a closer, thats what he does. I hate the guy, but I just thought I’d throw that in there.
Maybe KRod knows who Bruney is, maybe he doesn’t.
Nick in SF in Larkspur
June 13th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Woah. If someone said Bruney doesn’t have the right to say what he said, that is clearly silly.
I think the more ***germaine*** question is whether it was smart and/or helpful to say what he said. And yet another question was whether it was appropriate for someone in Bruney’s career position to say what he said about someone in K-Rod’s position.
Whatever the answer to those questions, it’s good theater and pretty funny. The ultimate question I ask in these cases is: is it good for the Yankees? I have no idea. On balance, probably not.
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The damned Germans ain’t got nothing to do with it.
Sure he has the right trisha, I just don’t like that he said what he said. On one hand I agree completely with his opinion, I just think it’s a bit bush league to be calling out your opponent the way Bruney did.
“But they’ve gone to these almost stereotypical patterns of throwing the same pitch over and over to him – especially extended sequences of inside fastballs.
That lets Papi guess and cheat. Is that primarily an issue of scouting, catching or the pitcher? Combination?”
cb-
funny you mention scouting.
moat nights i flip back and forth between the yankee game and the red sox game on nesn so i see a lot of red sox games.
you’re right in that they have come up with a plan for ortiz and just keep doing it with no variation.
i swear that when ortiz hit the homer off of wang , he didn’t hit the ball. the ball hit the bat.
i first noticed two years ago that pedroia had a swing that was across his shoulders on all pitches until he couldn’t drop down any further to do the shoulder swing.
i could see he couldn’t hit low pitches with any power, but that he killed anything above his waist. game after game the yankees challenged him up which didn’t work at all.
this year the whole league is pitching him down much more and his resulting power numbers are off. he’s still get his hits because he’s a good hitter, but he won’t be hitting as many homers and extra base hits.
why did it take the yankees so long to figure this out when i could see it on my tv two years ago ? it’s the same as what you’re seeing with ortiz.
they keep pitching him in and he’s guessing in there. what they should be doing is thinking of getting him to be moving his feet and having no idea where the ball is going to be pitched- up and in and then low and away. i would throw breaking balls in the dirt at him to make him have to move and be uncomfortable. i would not throw him many off speed strikes because he has a slow bat.
i think that the yankee scouting, pitching, and catching combination actually sometimes doesn’t spend as much time on an opposing hitter as some of us fans do. for instance last year, why would anyone throw cano a strike, but they did.
teams would be smart if they could figure out a way to get the collective insight that it’s fan base has. after all we collectively watch more red sox games than they do . it would be free scouting.
it’s not a one way street anymore, fans could feedback info to a team if the team had a mechanism for that happening.
all knowledge doesn’t exist just with the experts anymore.
sometimes we do know things that the experts don’t.
“I have a legitimate question though. If you don’t like K-rod’s prancing why is Joba any different? To what degree should pitchers be able to celebrate? Only fist pumps and yelling? Spin moves too? I’m confused.”
Joba’s fist pump (which takes a few seconds) doesn’t even compare to the minutes long theatrics of Papelbum and K-Rod. One fist pump versus flailing your arms and kissing up to God, jumping up and down on the mound, making stupid faces. Not even remotely the same thing IMO.
How short is Ken Rosenthal?
Bruney – Stay on the field for more than a couple minutes first and pitch well, then you can talk
K-Rod had the best response – “I don’t even know who that guy is.”
Chris Rose said the game was starting in a few, but who knows. Nobody likes him on FOX.
“Duh, guess I should read Pete’s updates more often. Bruney was ASKED what he thought of the game yesterday and he gave his honest opinion.”
DB, you’re far from alone judging by the outrage and indignation noted by Yankee fans…
Perhaps Bruney should say something to Joba about the way he is celebrating.
“Bruney also knows how Mariano reacted when K-Rod opened his big fat mouth last year saying he should be closing in Yankee stadium during the allstar game instead of Mariano”
I assume you mean Pappelbon, not Krod?
“Bruney’s career doesn’t have anything to do with it. It’s his opinion and he has a right to make a statement.”
Sure he has that right. I just don’t like that he used that right and said what he said. I also believe (and this is my opinion) that his career does apply. It’s a joke that a guy of Bruney’s caliber has the cajones to call out someone like K-rod.
HAHAHA
Rosenthal v. Pedroia in a dunk contest.
Yesterday’s story…
Diverted by a ghost’s breath…
Pinstripes celebrate…
“People may want to shoot me on here, & I don’t stick up for rivals, but I think Papelbon was taken out of context about closing Yankee Stadium.”
Shoot you? No, that is a bit strong. Beat the crap out of you sounds more like it.
This is what makes the Yankees look bad
We have Joba on our team and one of our players has the audacity to call someone else out for their antics.
Makes Bruney look like a hypocrite and idiot.
Anyone’s audio out on FOX?
Jerry Manuel blamed Church not Luis Castillo for dropping that ball last night. WOW.
K-rod knows who Brian Bruney is.
Can’t stand K-rod, but Bruney deserved that response.
Anybody having audio problems?
Anyways, I’m going to go golf, tivo’ing the game. Go Yanks!
That’s the great thing about stats Jay, you can get them to say what ever you want. The whole process is flawed. Like I said, catcher’s ERA is completely circumstantial. They aren’t the ones throwing the ball. Pitchers have to make pitches. Until you can tell me how many pitchers make the pitch Posada calls and it gets hit compared to every other catcher in the league this whole debate is BS.
Pitchers don’t like to pitch to Jorge = complete conjecture. Name me one pitcher who flat out said that on the current Yankees team.
“moat nights i flip back and forth between the yankee game and the red sox game”
What do you do on drawbridge nights?
JT
That was Paplebon who said he should be closing instead of Mo.
K-Rod never said anything.
“K-Rod had the best response – “I don’t even know who that guy is.”
It would have been if it was believable. I find it hard to believe that K-Rod doesn’t know that Bruney pitches for the Yankees.
Bruney’s right you know.
Someone posted a video clip from when Frankie blew a save against he A’s. He didn’t get a strike call and stood with hands on hips. His catcher threw the ball to him, he hardly stuck his glove out to get it. It went past him, the runner scored from third.
Couldn’t happen to a better guy.
Ok, audio just came back.
“Jerry Manuel blamed Church not Luis Castillo for dropping that ball last night. WOW.”
Why is he blaming Church? because Castillo couldn’t hold on to the ball?
Bravo GB.
All that Hot Dog and the Straw that stirs. This isn’t Football.
Mind you on these Showboat pitchers, once in while the bat slips out your hands and helicopters, knee level, out to the mound.
its coming off
Pettitte preparing…
Second stanza soon begins…
Still, nimbus watches…
And now the audio is an issue again. dammit.
Brandon —-> Brandon 4 Cena 0 June 13th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Jerry Manuel blamed Church not Luis Castillo for dropping that ball last night. WOW.
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Wait, he blamed Church for that? Huh?
I do not feel the love between Manuel and Church
Maybe Bruney should say something to Joba? Job would look Bruney up and down, and ask “Do I know you?”
Talking trash after yet another rehab inning in AA is kind of silly. Just get back up and throw strikes in the 8th and help get your ball club back in shape. Maybe then you can call out opposing pitchers. No?
“Why is he blaming Church? because Castillo couldn’t hold on to the ball?”
B/c the footsteps made him nervous
Brandon —-> Brandon 4 Cena 0 June 13th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Jerry Manuel blamed Church not Luis Castillo for dropping that ball last night. WOW.
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Really how exactly? Jerry hates Church. Yeah Church was stupid for jogging off the field, but Luis looked like he had it under control. If I were Ryan I would demand a trade.
“UPDATE, 3:11 p.m.: MLB.com has has a cool link. It’s of the four calls of last night’s final play. In order: Michael Kay, Gary Cohen, John Sterling and Howie Rose. They all did a good job for the most part.”
Pete, I posted that link two posts ago. Get with the program.
i have a feeling this kid Fernando Nieve is going to mo the yankees lineup down. they need to get him in the first inning if they let him settle down he will pitch a good game
Well I don’t feel that it makes Bruney look like anything but honest in the answer he gave. Again I will have to take a closer look, but I haven’t seen much that approximates KRod’s raindance.
Meanwhile, let me also add that it doesn’t bother me. But Bruney does have a right to be bothered by it, and to indicate such when asked.
“The damned Germans ain’t got nothing to do with it.”
gb7-
you idiot. nick in sf was obviously talking about Germaine Greer the famous feminist.
i have to spend half my time explaining things to you
Hurrybacknady,
K-rod said it after Paplebon did. Rivera requested his locker be as far away from K-rod as possible.
“How short is Ken Rosenthal?”
He so short, Lupica can see the top of his head standing next to him.
Why would K-Rod know who Brian Bruney is? Bruney is a nobody.
I doubt players from one team know the name of a fringe reliever on another team.
Jerry Manuel was absolutely right in blaming Church. The OF is supposed to come in and call the Inf off. Much easier play for the OF. Church headed to the dugout before the end of play.
I’m not sure Alex will be close to or fully 100% this year, so I hope at least he’ll have hot streaks. The lineup will just have to compensate for a weakened Alex. Remember also that Lowell and Utley had their whole offseasons to recuperate.. I would also give him some more days off- he’s played almost every game since he’s returned.
Is Fox totally messed up for anyone else?
Marc Carig twitter:
Nice ovation for Luis Castillo. They sure love ‘em here in Yankeeland. –Carig
Let’s go Andy. Give us 7 today. Give us 9 and there’s a pie in your future.
“teams would be smart if they could figure out a way to get the collective insight that it’s fan base has. after all we collectively watch more red sox games than they do . it would be free scouting.”
crowd sourcing baseball. i like it.
the scouting has seemed particularly suspect in the playoffs the past several years.
the team should disrupt the economics of the game. they should hire more scouts and pay them more than anyone in order to get the best ones – and this goes for the pro, minor league, amateur domestic and international arenas.
they’ve done a bit of that. but not nearly what they could be doing.
think about what they paid farnsworth. that could have bought a lot of scouting time.
and the way they’ve approached the draft the past 5 years has to change. it’s not 2006 anymore. many teams are paying over slot for talent or taking risk on injured guys.
to be better at the draft they need to have better talent evaluation.
lol at yankees fan in the stadium
*BRUNEY WAS ASKED HIS OPINION, HE DID NOT OFFER IT UNSOLICITED!*
Just thought I’d mentioned that again.
Anyway, as I consider this mighty small potatoes compared to the rest of the Yankees season, I will leave it to you who are truly bothered by it to make like the everready bunnies…
GO YANKEES!!!!!
Bo knows
June 13th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Bravo GB.
All that Hot Dog and the Straw that stirs. This isn’t Football.
Mind you on these Showboat pitchers, once in while the bat slips out your hands and helicopters, knee level, out to the mound.
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One only needs to go back and watch the videos of the 1972 playoffs between Oakland and Detroit, when the bat slipped out of Bert Campaneris’ hands and almost took Lerrin LaGrows legs off at the kneecaps.
Uncle, they managed to screw up the audio on the Jeter portion, but now it’s just fine!
Man, I feel a little bad for the guy
Wow, he really does not like Church, does he? Whats Manuel going to complain about next..that church didn’t tie his shoes right for the game?
“Jerry Manuel was absolutely right in blaming Church. The OF is supposed to come in and call the Inf off. Much easier play for the OF. Church headed to the dugout before the end of play.”
*Mr.Manuel*
“moat nights i flip back and forth between the yankee game and the red sox game”
What do you do on drawbridge nights?”
that’s when i have to take the ferry, but don’t ask don’t tell is still the best policy.
Of course, I’m blocked out of the FOX game. Has it started yet?
Andy hasn’t been pitching particularly well. It is widely known that Andy does not like to call his own games. Poor pitching or poor game calling?
I’ll leave you to discuss!
It did start Laura. Wait I have an idea…
Gosh, if the good folks are going to go *ALL CAPS BOLD* I have to wonder what the actual question was that Bruney was asked.
Was it: “Brian, do you think what happened to K-Rod could have happened to a nicer guy?”
yes, castillo, go, and alex cora singled.
“crowd sourcing baseball. i like it.”
think how many guys like pat m there are who see a lot of games on a lot of levels but no one mines the data that guys like him have .
Let’s Go Yanks!
Let’s make it two in row!!!!!
nice play andy
Nice Smokey and the Bandit reference GB?
What happened with Bruney when did he say this stuff?
I can’t read the whole thread here
short synopsis anyone?
Laura, I can’t totally figure out how to figure it out, but try this:
http://sticktv.net/
Thanks, trisha. I tried Sticktv, but it wasn’t working today for some reason. I have to run errands anyway. I’ll check the score when I get back.
Go Yankees!!!
Pettitte’s not having those starts anymore where he finishes 7 innings on 105 pitches.
Did FOX just say “Brett Gardner, pitching and batting ninth”??
“Andy hasn’t been pitching particularly well. It is widely known that Andy does not like to call his own games. Poor pitching or poor game calling?
I’ll leave you to discuss!”
Your the one who was getting pissed about the whole Posada discussion. Yet, your the same person who starts it.
I hope I’m wrong,
but Jeter mostly 1st time ab is an out,
Damon is an out,
tex will hit
“Whats Manuel going to complain about next..that church didn’t tie his shoes right for the game?”
No thats what the media does to Alex
Quick check in…..
I’ve been in Pittsburgh with Tony since Thursday and we finalized terms with the Pirates. Had the PC last night.
More details to follow on Monday. Currently, we are back in South Florida, he’s in the cage hitting, and we are putting the finishing touches on a surprise party for him tonight.
I will check in Monday with details of the Pittsburgh experience.
One note though…..On his tour of the ballpark, Ross Ohlendorf came up to him, welcomed him to the club, and said, “I saw tape of you catching. I really hope you catch me one day. You can really play.” He’s a VERY nice guy.
Needless to say, that made the kid’s day.
Let’s get a Yankee win today and get going again!
“Your the one who was getting pissed about the whole Posada discussion. Yet, your the same person who starts it.”
Shhhhhhhhhh!
“Your the one who was getting pissed about the whole Posada discussion. Yet, your the same person who starts it.”
Um, can you tell me where I indicated I was getting “pissed” about the whole Posada discussion???
That’s what I thought.
wow he looks good on the mound well it could be the yankees
SJ44 – Best of luck to your nephew.
Does he read the blog? If he does, you just blew his surprise.
We need to at least work this guy’s pitch count.
the catching debate is starting again?
All Hands on deck. Pick your sides. I’m rooting for Jake Gibbs.
sj44-
tony gets to live the dream now. all very cool. it sounds like it couldn’t happen to a better kid. congratulations again.
Nick, judging from his answer it could have been as inocious as “What do you think about the Yankees win last night?
His response, “Couldn’t have happened to a better guy on the mound, either. He’s got a tired act,” Bruney said. “He gets what he deserves, man. I just don’t like watching the guy pitch. I think it’s embarrassing.”
No matter what it was, he was definetely asked his opinion. Good for him for actually giving it.
They will go after Arod when the first two strike out,because he will hit more often than not a pop out,to retire the side.
2 out of three ain’t bad. TEX will be pitched around in this game,watch.They will bank on Arod not hitting.
That was a strike. Posada’s really not great at framing pitches.
“NEW YORK (AP) — Mets second baseman Luis Castillo says he had trouble sleeping after dropping a popup in the ninth inning Friday night, costing his team a game against the New York Yankees.
*Castillo says he is grateful for his teammates’ support and all the messages he received from other players across the majors.*”
This is the kind of thing I like to read. If he had to depend on the support of “fans”, he would be getting messages about how he was garbage, how he should be traded or dumped, or worst than that.
Thanks Church. We needed a 1-pitch out.
“That was a strike. Posada’s really not great at framing pitches.”
Stop that right now! Our keyboards are going to short out with all the tears that this post will bring.
Come on, Pettitte.
groan
crap
GB
Unbelievable, 1972 Bert Campaneris at bat – Walking Memory Bank.
Well, maybe in your case it should be “Rocking”.
WOW….The Angels have sent Howie Kendrick to the minors.
gonna need the bp again.
for the love of god raise that wall next season
“the catching debate is starting again?”
Not really. I guess some people don’t like being put in checkmate though.
I may also have to re-evaluate all my mea culpas about thinking Andy perhaps should not have been brought back to the Bronx. The jury has gone back out.
Pettitte is a bum.. same ol stuff from him every game!
Just a horrible job of pitching by Pettitte. Simply dreadful.
Will this be Andy’s bad inning? If he holds them here, I’ll take it.
1. What a joke of pitchers…
2. What a joke of a ballpark…
can the pitching really be this bad
Yankees love playing from behind.
Seems like the Mets have moved on from yesterday’s game while the Yankees are still clinging on to it.
The pitching coach should be fired Ron Gruidry was even better
DB: Was it good for him? Was it good for the Yankees? I’m not saying yes or no, but the notion that we should react in a particular way about what Bruney said because a reporter asked what he thought of the play is a silly one.
Ask Derek Jeter what he thought of the play and you don’t get bulletin board material back.
Bruney’s response is definitely good for us, though.
Yup. Check and mate.
Just hope for a deluge of rain.
worst part of andys performance is the pitch count
48 pitches and rising from Andy
the whole rotation cant throw strikes who is responsible? dave eiland
I don’t know why, but CC seems to be the only pitcher on this entire staff who can have an easy, 10 pitch, 1-2-3 inning. Our pitchers struggle to get through 5 innings, and they all struggle at once.
Makes me REALLY miss the days of vintage Wang, where he would get regularly through 7 innings on 95 pitches.
Typical Andy.
long inning-disease.
Andy really, can you stop
Good for Castillo. Now let’s shut them down.
YEAH IT’S THE PITCHING COACH
Idiot.
I hate this pathetic ballpark
Pettitte is 6-2 with a 4.36 ERA. He’s easily met my expectations. Joba has pitched well too. Obviously, not last night but the guy is still developing and has a an ERA under 4. Burnett and obviously Wang have not met expectations.
Can any starting pitch get thru 3 innings aghhhhhhhhhh
andy is a good pitcher but he’s not big time. you cant’ count on him for a win.
BTTB..(back to the bullpen)
Um, I thought Andy was supposed to give us length…..you want to talk about some pitchers not being good? Andy has not been good at all…….Sterling is right, this staff is just not good enough despite the names. If Andy gives us 5 at this point, we’re lucky. Any pen would be worn out by the pathetic displays of pitching we’re seeing lately, even the Sox vaunted pen
4 of the 5 pitchers in the rotation cant throw strikes that is petty sad
Yankee pitching this week having a short inning contest. Thank you Teix.
Pettitte HAS to get Cora here, don’t want any part of Beltran until the 3rd..
And Brennaman and Grace are having a LONG discussion about ’80s bands during the Cardinals-Indians game. Not sure why.
54 pitches through 2
not bad…
Checkmate?
Is there a Fantasy Chess League with different rules?
54 pitches
Nice play Jeter!
Tex and Jeter save Andy there!…
Yankees fasten your seat belts, your in for a bumpy ride.
Andy’s at 54 pitches in the second.
This inning is like CC’s with the Sox,a lot of pitches and still give up the base.Your bull pen again will get a work out today.
Stop with the park, this is on Andy……..
this pitching staff is absolutely brutal.
new york yankees baseball! treading water since 2004!
andy has NOTHING
look at the outs:
cannon shot by wright
warning track by sheffield
hot shot by cora
a pitcher with no stuff
B!tching about hitting and pitching coaches is lowest form of blame shifting denial.
Pettitte and Joba have met expectations??
What games do you watch… they both give up tons of hits and walks
It’s either the pitching coach or Posada.
Every pitcher on the staff would be in a five-way tie for the Cy Young Award if Eiland and Posada didn’t tell the starters to throw the ball six inches outside 60 percent of the time.
Yup. Perfect logic.
Pettitte is what he is. He has always been a nibbler and a battler. He gives you what he has, but at this point in his career he struggles to put hitters away, even guys like you are seeing hit him today. Marginal players. He just doesn’t have the stuff he used to. But he’s our #4 starter, not supposed to be our ace. Now our offense has to do something against yet another no-name career minor leaguer who I am hoping they will not turn into Cy freaking Young again!
can’t remember the last time we took an early lead in a game…
To me, this all comes back to Wang completely dropping off the map as a starter, and Burnett not being able to keep his ERA down to at least 4.50.
Pettitte and Joba have been just fine considering their roles as 4th and 5th starters. But Wang and Burnett going 2+ innings back to back put a ton of strain on the bullpen, and that has now exposed the flaw of the backend of the rotation, which is that they throw way too many pitches each inning.
I was thinking about trusting pitchers, at least at this point in time, and I would have to say that CC is at the top of my list. I can’t evaluate Wang fairly since he is just coming back. I would take Joba next and then Hughes. Or maybe I would even flip them. Andy is currently at the bottom.
In terms of catching the only thing I have to give to Posada (since I cannot evaluate the other catchers short of their being in there all the time) is that there is no way to know what they would look like if they had to catch 4 out of every 5 games. I will say that I would certainly like to see more of Cervelli because he seems to work well with the pitchers. But it is what it is.
Talk about underachieving. What is it about our pitchers throwing strikes?
amazing that outside of CC, not one starter can be counted on for any kind of length.
SJ,
Congrats to Tony and the family on him signing. He’s signed, he’s getting into the system quickly and that’ll give him a leg up moving forward.
Not saying early signing is everything but last year’s drama clearly hasn’t helped Pedro Alvarez move through the pirates system.
Alex!
Yeah Alex!
Bahahaha!!! T ball batter up!! a 348 ft hr!!
Welcome back ALEX!! maybe that puts him on a tear
joe buck “its pop up and its gone”
What does it say about our ‘Vaunted’ pitching staff when we’ve had one good performance in 5 games against big rivals and the one good one we got we ended up losing. Is it a blip? Maybe, but it is something to be concerned about. Cashman did a great job by bringing in the big fish, but lets be honest with the money at hand and the lure of NY and the pinstripes that isn’t the hardest part of the job.
McCarver blundering the call on A-Rod’s “pop-up.”
well that’s one
Yahoo Arod. We are lucky that an inexperienced pitcher is on the mound. No aspersion to Arod but to the fact that we might win this game in spite of ourselves rather than because of…
what a joke
Looks like Mr baseball came to play,C’mon Cano follow your leader,Arod.
what happened to the Yankees that liked to “work the count”??
Two front row homers – the good thing was neither one involved fan interference with the outfielder.
bryanhoch: Luis Castillo just got a HUGE round of applause here at Yankee Stadium.
Wanting to give Andy at least some credit on some level, he is someone who has made note of the homerun proclivity in the Stadium and worried about the way to pitch. Is it possible that since he is more emotion than brawn, he is bringing about a self-fulfilling prophesy?
Just a thought.
I think it’s time for the manager/coaches to tell these guys that the game starts about three hours earlier than it really does. Get them out to the ballpark three hours early because they play like they are asleep for the first 6 or 7 innings almost every day.
I realize Andy was signed to be the 4th starter, but he’s really been dreadful stuff-wise. Fortunately he’s as gutty a pitcher as you’ll find and he generally finds a way to give us at least 5 innings. He’s just suffered such a drop off in stuff, though and it’s emphasized because the staff is in such bad shape. He’s not the Andy Pettitte that we are used to seeing – I hope he can give us 5 today even if it’s mediocre, because who is in the pen? I don’t even know if Phil is available.
Mehdi: I guess it says that none of our starters aside from CC is preforming up to his capabilities at present time – though we don’t really know what Andy’s precise capabilities are at this point.
Maybe scuffling to hold the other team down and struggling to get past the 5th inning is all he has left at this point. He’s been written off several times already this season, even in games that he ended up winning. So, let’s see how this one shakes out. It doesn’t look good for him giving the depth that we really need, unfortunately.
John & Suzyn were just waxing poetic about Mr. Matsui, and I believe Mr. Sterling actually said that “if Matsui weren’t Japanese, I’ve always said he’d be the All-American boy.”
Guess he’s not aware of Matsui’s collection of, um, “special” video…
Another possibility, always I guess, is that Andy is playing hurt.
crossing fingers and toes that Andy has a quick inning here
This young pitcher is wise with his pitches only 31 as oppose to ANDY’S 54,He’s at a 23 pitch advantage for the same amount of innings.
I should be at this game -sorry for letting the team down.
Mo’sflatcutter -
*YAWN YAWN YAWN YAWN YAWN!!!*
Hi Everyone.
Just got back from the Trenton Thunder game a little while ago. First, I wanted to thank whoever was responsible for having Bruney start, so that I wouldn’t miss him if we had left early.
I just wanted to add to what Pete said about Bruney’s appearance. They had him throw from the stretch for his last hitter. He looked great. Smooth. There’s no speed reading in the stadium, but he had pop. Good control.
And he is really, really skinny when you see him up close. We were in the 4th row next the visiting dugout on the 3rd base side, so we got a nice view.
Jesus Montero played and got a hit. He is a big guy!
We stayed to the end. It was drizzly, but not too bad. They lost, 4-0 to the Mets Binghamton farm team. Their pitcher was great. It was a four-hitter for him. They have a guy, Salvadore Paniagua (who I think I saw play with the Mets A team against Lakewood last summer), who hit a solo homerun and a double with the bases loaded to drive in 2 more. He’s a big guy.
I’m going through my pictures from last night’s game – I never watch the game when it’s on Fox, but go in to see if something good happens. I got a picture of the press box – it was random, but I figured once I got home I could see if I could identify anyone. Lo and behold, I spied Pete! Pete, were you next to Mark Feinsand?
I got lots of pictures. The best ones were of ARod, Cano and Cabrera doing drills before the game. We just missed batting practice, but were there for those drills. We were right on the field level. It was great!
The only thing I don’t like about the new Stadium is the “ribbon” video board that encircles the stadium. It is distracting (at least from where we were sitting). And when it comes up this bright orange color, it is just too bright. I think they could utilize this band much better – like posting out-of-town scores. The Yankees out-of-town scoreboard has great graphics – it’s gorgeous, but it’s not very practical.
And we sat in Section 305 in the terrace level. As far right as you can get. If I didn’t know better, there was no right fielder in the game. Couldn’t see him. And so every fly to right (and there were a lot), we saw them go to right, but not what happened once they got there. So, we saw Cano’s HR disappear, and Jeter’s HR disappear and Tex’s homerun disappear. We would have seen Matsui’s HR disappear, too, if we had stayed 15 more minutes!!!
We had a great time. The girls and I ate sushi, which was very good, by the way, if you are tempted to try it. And my husband got the Lobel’s steak sandwich, which he liked, but it was a little salty. We also got the Yankees Turkey Hill ice cream – the chocolate once with brownies and fudge and nuts and whatever else. It was really worth the calories!
man that David Wright is a hits machine!
Oh, one last thing about last night’s game. There were FAR TOO MANY Mets fans there. And they were far too comfortable!!!! And far too loud!!!!!
And then today, we sat in front of some loud Mets fans.
I’m tired of the Mets!
Pettitte has given up fewer hits than innings pitched exactly twice in his career: 1997 and 2005. Even in his two 21-win seasons he gave up more hits than innings pitched. He has always been this way, just more so now that he is getting “old”… But he knows how to battle, that’s for sure.
Pettitte is on the back end of his career. He was signed to be the 4th starter at best. It’s not fair to expect more than that from him. For a 4th starter, I’ll take 6-2 4.2-4.4 ERA in a heartbeat. I don’t care about WHIP with a guy like Pettitte at this point. All he does is keep the team in the game every time out. He’s doing his job.
As for Joba, he is supposed to be the 5th starter, working the kinks out of his game and gaining experience. Meanwhile, he’s 3-1 3.84. Sure, he walks to many people and throws too many pitches, but he’s still learning. That was to be expected from him this year.
So, yeah both of them have met my expectations to this point. Burnett and Wang haven’t come close and that has put more pressure on Pettitte and Joba. They’re both doing the jobs they were expected to do. It’s our 2 and 3 starters that have caused all of the problems.
“Pettitte and Joba have met expectations??
What games do you watch… they both give up tons of hits and walks.”
Do you think if Wang was averaging 6.5 innings per start with a 3.70 ERA and Burnett had a couple more wins, we would be complaining about Pettitte and Joba?
Pettitte began the season throwing 7 innings in almost every start (when the rest of the rotation was in shambles) and currently leads the team in wins. Yes, he was expected to give up tons of baserunners, but he also keeps the team in the game and finds ways to win.
Joba is averaging just over 5 innings per start with a 3.80 ERA. That might not have been the expectations of him, but that’s pretty darn good for a #5 starter.
Again, it’s Wang’s meltdown that has been the main flaw of this team. If he was pitching well, the bullpen would be a lot more rested and we would probably have 3-4 more wins right now.
ok – so I wonder what the BA looks like against the Yankees after 2 ours…I feel like too much happens after 2 outs
Andy is tough to watch once again.
We have 4 starters either afraid or cannot throw enough strikes which makes us a poor matchup w/ the sox.
What is it today 6 out of 13 batters reached base? Terrible job by Andy again.
Joba – H Irabu part deux???Throw strikes already.
I blame CASHman..
Pettitte just isn’t smooth out there. Hits and location driving up his pitch count.. Thank you Alex!
how does dave eiland still have a job?
wang is a mess, joba is the very definition of inconsistent, the entire staff – with the exception of cc – nibbles, burnett has regressed, etc.
somebody needs to fix this.
This maybe Andy’s last year with the Yankees,he’s out of steam.
MELKY-out
JETER-out
GARDNER-out
Sorry but they haven’t woke up yet.
“it was crazy and we we’re there”
Good points, KP and RS.
I don’t know if it’s fair to say that we have good reason to *believe* that we’ll get much better results from AJ and Wang, but I think we at least have good reason to *hope* we will.
who will trade Nick swisher for Ryan Church?
The positive news – Andy has allowed 7 base runners in 3 innings and the score is only 2-1.
kase, no question that this is frustrating.
In Pettitte’s defense, I haven’t seen a strike zone this tight in a while.
Doreen – Glad you had a good time.
When we went to the Stadium to see the Phils, we had too many Phillie fans around. They were loud, but polite (not like Boston fans). As the game went on, it turned from cute to tiresome for me. When the Yanks came back on Lidge to win in the 9th, especially Alex’ HR before Melky’s walkoff hit, they all suddenly got quiet. I’m sure you had a similar experience last night
meanwhile we are getting mowed down by yet another nobody.
a no name kid once again is moing down the yankees why dont teams just call up rookies from minor leagues when they face the yankees
SJ44,
Thanks for checking in, and congrats again.
Did you see the ESPN article on Ohlendorf the other day? Glad to see he’s as nice as he is smart.
Yanks play a boring baseball.. Hit lots of HR, but no smallball or manufacturing of runs.. The pitchers give us heartattacks day in and day out. If Gardner could play to his strengths would be nice!
Did Andy tweak his back on the off balance throw to 1st base?
DutchHugo, I’m not sure about this season compared to others but you know that sure death in the past was the Yankees facing a pitcher they had never seen before. I don’t think it’s as bad this year. So I’d say maybe the third time around?
Why is Aceves warming up already?
What a surprise……I’ve been saying this all along. Even when they were in their torrid stretch, the Yankees would take innings off at a time and then come on late for the win. That’s an impressive offense? How often do they think they can keep coming back? If they run into enough good pitching, not often enough.
Doreen, when I got in my car, Santos had just hit his HR. I initially thought it was a Yankee HR because the crowd was extremely loud…….
what the heck is going on with the pitching staff??
“Did Andy tweak his back on the off balance throw to 1st base?”
that’s a good guess, Pat. Forgot about that.
Joba and AJ laughing in the dugout? Interesting!
ok – 2nd time through the line up – can they figure this guy out – he’s not really that great
“a no name kid once again is moing down the yankees why dont teams just call up rookies from minor leagues when they face the yankees”
Actually we used to say that as a weak joke all the time…
Joe from LI -
In the Wrap-up thread by Pete, I posted all about how we had to leave the game early. So I got no personal satisfaction.
Anyway, where we sat, there were all Yankees fans. Very nice people. (Before we left, it was Mets 6, Yankees 4. After we left, almost immediately, it was Yankees 5, Mets 2. 
) You’re right, though, what starts out as, “wow, see all the Mets fans,” fairly quickly turns to “what are they doing here??!! and how can we shut them up?”
What in the world was going on with Pettitte and the bullpen
I see Wang giving up 5 runs in 5 innings on Tuesday. Will that be enough to keep his spot in the rotation? Sadly, they’ll probably put the positive spin on it and throw him out there again.
Can the Yankees just send Andy for tests already? Sheesh – the guy obviously has a bad back. What are they waiting for?
Watch, Nieve will make his next start against the Rays or Blue Jays and give up 5 runs in 4.2 innings.
Absolutely Trisha, and it seems to have mostly held true this year. But then again, we seem to struggle offensively no matter who the pitcher is for the first 5-6 innings daily. At least this year they are finding the bats in the late innings. But it’s frustrating getting dominated by these scrubs…
3 innings 1 hit offense… should we be surprised?
Did Andy talk his way back in?
If he is hurt put him on the DL already.
I wonder if they make the playoffs does Andy have to pitch game 3 b/c he is Andy?
I blame CASHman..
No matter how Andy’s pitching, the fact is we’re being 1-hit by this kid.
They’re getting some good at-bats, though. Just have to keep plugging away.
“Joba and AJ laughing in the dugout? Interesting!”
Humor police
If Wang gets lit up by the Nationals he will probably never Start agian this year unless there is a injury
so how is Andy talking his way back in after being injured (or actually being injured) on Cashman…
can’t the actual players be accountable?
wow Met’s fans at an interleague game, whoda thunk?
kaseya – I respectfully disagree with you about about Eiland.
How many times have we seen a manager or coach go from one “genius” year, to a “dunce” year? As an example, Don Cooper, was the White Sox pitching coach, when the Sox won the WS in, what, 2006? Their starters were tops. Then, the following year, it was 180 degree different. Did Cooper go from genius to dope in one year? (I’ve read where he’s highly regarded in the industry.)
Whether Dave Eiland is in over his head I don’t know. But I don’t think anyone as removed as we are can really say anything about the competence of any of the coaches.
Tomorrow, AJ takes one for the team…..I don’t care if he gives up 10 runs, he has to get through 5 or 6. I’m not sure when Phil is available…..maybe tomorrow. At this point, you can’t just save him for Wang. He needs to pitch anyway – I’m pissed off at how he’s being used.
Thank goodness the 1 hit is at least a HR so they have something to build on.
Man, these Yankees suck. Someone should steal the Mets gloves… I volunteer.
Andy needs to get the performance bounuses he is never going to want to go on the dl.
Questions about Andy: (unfortunately no answers)
1. Is he playing hurt?
2. Is he tipping his pitches?
3. Has he become relatively obsolete?
4. Why is he so inconsistent within games?
Pettitte still in this…
Santos, who stunned Papelbon…
The difference so far…
I think it was against the Rangers where a young pitcher was mowing the Yankees down until they scored a bunch of runs in the 5th inning on Tex’s bases loaded 2B.
We need another inning like that. Nieve hasn’t even pitched out of the stretch yet. All the Yankees need to do is get a couple guys on and make him sweat.
The guy in the pink rain poncho is secure in his masculinity.
Remember that the Yanks have to be pretty exhausted today. Rough three game sweep in Boston … delayed flight home that got them to bed at around 4:30am … last night’s 9-8 emotional game … now a day game after a night game. No wonder they seem a bit flat.
3 OUT OF 3 and the young gun is only at 48 pitches.
I blame CASHman for the whole thing here.
He gets 200 mill to spend and has CC and a bunch of no strike throwing starters.
How does he still have a job?
Where are the Steinbrenner bros?
I just have zero faith in a SP who puts every other guy on base.
WTH
I too doubt that the final score will be 2-1.
Here’s what concerns me presently, at least a little. We are playing a team that is very beat up, with a relatively inexperienced pitcher on the mound, and we are just about holding our own. No Reyes, no Delgado in their lineup. Thank God.
A short week ago or so, we were lighting up the skies.
WHAT IN HELL HAPPENED?
That can be seen as rhetorical, by the way. I think if we had solid answers we’d be handicapping dog races right now.
Who tried to call that timeout?
FWIW Pettite leads the team in wins.
Betsy -
That’s what it was like the whole time we were there. Yuck! It’s very unsettling. You’d like to think at the home ballpark that when something good happens for the home team, there is cheering and when something bad happens for the hometeam there is no cheering. Disconcerting, I’ll tell ya.
Does anyone think this recent ineffectiveness by the Yankees starters has to do with adding CMW and the rainout day? That everyone, who were just beginning to get into a nice little groove, was thrown just enough out of whack? And if so, will they work themselves out of it within a time or two through the rotation?
I think it could have a little bit to do with it.
Not criticizing the move – if you’re going to give CMW his shot, it was going to have some disruptive effect no matter when it was done.
when has a pitcher gotten hurt after holding up his throw? When? When? people say that all the time. Where is the evidence. Can anyone remember when it has happened??? Anyone?
“Remember that the Yanks have to be pretty exhausted today. Rough three game sweep in Boston … delayed flight home that got them to bed at around 4:30am … last night’s 9-8 emotional game … now a day game after a night game. No wonder they seem a bit flat.”
No excuses. The Mets have it even worse. They lost back to back extra inning games AT HOME against the Phillies, and then LOST that emotional 9-8 game.
“Joba and AJ laughing in the dugout? Interesting!”
Terry I actually find that heartening. I see that as a sign of confidence rather than frivolity or disrespect. Teams go through slumps in the course of a season, and teams come out of it.
Maybe those guys have the proper perspective right now.
Mo’ssflatcutter thinks he has a crystal ball, but I’m a much better prognosticator.
Mo’s next post – NEGATIVE.
Mo’s following post – NEGATIVE.
Mo’s next post – NEGATIVE.
Let’s see how I do.
time to go back to work against cy nieve
That’s the crafty vet we know and love.
Let’s get some runs, guys.
We can point different fingers at Andy, but one we can never point is the slouch finger. The guy battles his butt off.
Pettite really giving this game away!
can phil hughes pitch today?
For the record, the Yanks are 9-3 in games started by Pettitte this season.
He’s also made quality starts in 9 of his 12 starts coming into today’s action.
People lose sight of the big picture when someone is struggling because he hasn’t been nearly as bad this season as people have been carrying on.
“Terry I actually find that heartening. I see that as a sign of confidence rather than frivolity or disrespect. Teams go through slumps in the course of a season, and teams come out of it.
Maybe those guys have the proper perspective right now.”
Not sure I do like that Trish though. If you have watched Tex lately he has come out of his shell and has shown an aggressiveness. That shows on the field with his bat, his running last night and his total approach to Icabod Henry Twitter crap.. There seems to be a lackadaisacle approach lately or lack of intensity and serious.. Tex leads by example.. love that signing!
Betsy, this has to be coming from a gut feeling because it definitely can’t be coming from anything we’ve seen lately. I think AJ is going to pitch a great game tomorrow.
Here’s hoping that it’s more than indigestion.
nice job guys, lets make it a 3 pitch inning
“Does anyone think this recent ineffectiveness by the Yankees starters has to do with adding CMW and the rainout day?”
I definitely think adding Wang affected the pitching staff somewhat. Burnett wasn’t sharp at all in Fenway, and we had to waste Aceves and Hughes in back to back games, which made neither of them available yesterday.
Damon out
TEIXIERA out
AROD out
Trisha,
This we know. Andy is 37 and has lost velocity on his fastball, which tops out now at 89.
Could be hurt, but who knows.
Tipping. I’ve heard it before. In the 2001 World Series, when he got blasted, he was said to be tipping his pitches.
He’s always been a bend but don’t break pitcher and has allowed a lot of baserunners.
He’s never had pinpoint location like Mussina, who in the modern times is comparable to Maddux and Schilling as far as control and BB/9innings.
Terry I think the difference for me is that they are pitchers and not position players. They need their intensity once every five games. I might have a little problem if one of them was on the mound today, stinking up the joint, and yukking up a storm between innings.
How many pitches does Cano take?
Cano smiling Bench Him!
Trish, lol, I’m not predicting that AJ will pitch badly – I’m just saying that if he does, he needs to take one for the team (to a certain extent – I don’t want him or anyone else blowing out their arms) because the pen is shot.
Oh Mo’s flatcutter.
Sorry but you are wrong.
There will be lovely parting gifts sent to you shortly.
Joba was only last night stinking up the joint!
i agree that there’s no way to tell for sure if eiland is in over his head but it can’t be considered a coincidence that wang has been a disaster, burnett has been worst than last year and joba is a mess mechanically. where there’s that much smoke, there’s generally a fire.
this team has a lot of issues that got buried because they went on a little run. now we’re seeing things crop back up again. fact is, brian cashman has a LOT of work ahead of him if he wants anything more than a 2nd place finish and another early playoff exit, because as the team is constructed right now, that’s the BEST he can hope for.
This lineup loves to sleep early innings.
Robbie Cano — you gotta go, me oh my oh
So they are back to walking Arod because he’s woke up,but Can or will Cano bring home the bacon? n/t
I’m 2 for 2 with that group.
RS, the Mets’ problems don’t change what I said about the Yanks. We sit comfortably in our homes demanding perfection of our team (can’t million dollar salaries buy perfection???). My point is that they are human and, no matter how talented or how rich or how well motivated, will be affected by factors such as fatigue. It’s not an excuse. It’s life
rconn, thanks. And in keeping with Uncle posted, one thing we have to say is that more often than not, Andy keeps us in the game.
this guy wont last more than 3 innings in any start the rest of the year
This is just pathetic that every year the Yankees can’t hit pitchers they have never seen before or hit with RISP
Maybe Swish since he’s not playing is paying the others to smile.
Do the Yankees believe in scouting reports? If you start three rookies in a series against the Yankess it seems like you could sweep them. This is frustrating to watch.
congrats again to your nephew, sj. here’s hoping he has a lot of success in his future.
Sometimes I feel like the San Francisco Giants do a better job of stringing together hits than the Yankees do.
It seems like whenever there’s runners on base, guys go up there trying to hit a homerun. The problem with this offense is they rely on pitchers to make pitches that they can drive out of the park. Very rarely do they take a good pitcher’s pitch and slap it for an opposite field single.
The big problem is people expect these pitchers to be perfect every outing. Disregarding other circumstance and completely ignoring the fact that we sometimes win games with awful starts by “awful” starters.
“Cano smiling Bench Him!”
OMG did he really laugh !, DFA him now !
Wow 1 hit off of this scrub, the Yankees never cease to amaze, this guy is throwing 80 something MPH meatballs and they look like they have a party to go to, wouldn’t want the game to get in the way.
Enough to make you sick watching this.
Maybe AJ was just telling Joba a funny story about Betty Crocker?
Laughter is ok. I wish AJ had been sitting next to Wang though, he didn’t look like he was included in the joke.
I don’t know why you guys are so frustrated. As typical as it’s been that Mo has been bad coming into games that are ties as are the Yankees bating against a pitcher they haven’t seen before. It’s so typical these past few years that it isn’t even worth getting riled over. Look they are a good team, nothing more. They aren’t a great team and if the Red Sox had a better away record it wouldn’t even be close. This team has a lot of problem, but not so huge that can’t get fixed.
Bets, I’m with you on AJ taking one for the team no matter what!
“Joba was only last night stinking up the joint!”
Then Terry, you are guilty for forgetting one of the oldest maxims in the game of baseball, one that players handle beautifully, some fans not so beautifully. It’s called the ability to turn the page.
GO YANKEES!!!
Can someone tell me how retreads like Nieve, who hasnt pitched in the majors in 3 years, can hold the Yankees to 1-hit? Why can a team like this make this bum look like Cy Young?
the Yankees don’t seem to be very patient at the plate
Pettitte can’t breathe, Damon dizzy, and no one can hit a scrub.
“It seems like whenever there’s runners on base, guys go up there trying to hit a homerun.”
Exactly they never seem to take what the pitcher gives them, if its away they pull, its in they pull, I rarely see the Yankees using the whole field, its like they have to power their way to wins by hitting long balls.
come on Andy
eek
well this inning is falling apart real quickly.. Get Pettitte out of there please!!
Pettite is nerve wracking
JC in DC June 13th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Do the Yankees believe in scouting reports? If you start three rookies in a series against the Yankess it seems like you could sweep them. This is frustrating to watch.
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I read a stat by Elias a few weeks back which put that myth to rest.
Since last year, rookies are 3-17 facing the Yanks for the first time.
I don’t have the updated numbers but those stats were dated a few weeks ago.
So it’s a myth that the Yanks really struggle against rookie pitchers.
that amount of hits that andy gives up is just scary
This is where a manager obviously needs the wisdom of Solomon, especially one who wants to win.
Do you pull Pettitte at this point? Ya see, I would have.
3-1
he’s got nothing left
Andy is pitching like crap today
“Whether Dave Eiland is in over his head I don’t know. But I don’t think anyone as removed as we are can really say anything about the competence of any of the coaches.”
joe in long island-
not knowing everything doesn’t stop us from voting for president though does it? i think you know enough to have opinions about coaches. don cooper is a good pitching coach. i’ve met him several times through neil allen. both are sarasota based. it’s a small world in that fraternity. rhighetti, guidry allen, and cooper were all on the 1985 yankee team under yogi and billy.
that’s four mlb pitching coaches right there on that team. eiland himself was there a few years later with some of the same players. it’s really hard to say who’s best for a team. sometimes it’s a jockey for the horse.
i know what you mean that we can’t know everything that they know and you’re right. we didn’t go through everything they did. but if you had a vote like you do for president would you vote for eiland for pitching coach?
i would have voted for him as bullpen coach for a few years and voted for someone with more mlb experience as the pitching coach. if i had a vote i’d vote guidry back in and move eiland to the bullpen.
1 run 1 hit from Alex
come on Yankees.
Especially when you see how well Nieves is doing. And there are runners on the corner.
Oh well. I’m not paid to manage the team.
ever since andy hurt his back in cleveland…he hasn’t really had it
3 runs 10 hits 1 BB so far
Ugh, just get some outs here.
You would of thought the “luck” win last night might have propelled them onto something good, but it actually looks regressive to me.
“Can someone tell me how retreads like Nieve, who hasnt pitched in the majors in 3 years, can hold the Yankees to 1-hit? Why can a team like this make this bum look like Cy Young?
The most sickening part is that he has thrown 5 of 15 first pitch strikes and still is 1 hitting the Yankees through 4. You can’t make this stuff up.”
This team has some major mental issues or something. Maybe they have life to good in the clubhouse, that they turn into slobs on the field.
They should have aobut 5 or 6 runs off this joker the Mets dragged up from who knows where.
terrible pitching staff… but wait some people here think Pettitte is pitching well this year
I wonder if Pettitte can throw 160 pithces
4-1
Well here’s one game I can’t blame on myself. Thankfully Andy isn’t on my fantasy team.
Hey wait! That should signal an eventual win!
I think Arod had a play at the plate there…
last night,damon wasn’t playing because he couldn’t see so they had him pinch hit ?
i just had to throw that in because it’s kind of funny if you think about it.
hughes- where art thou?
Lets all keep praising Andy and sighting his wins.
He stinks now and our starters 2-5 are a joke.
Cant wait to see how we hit Santana tomorrow.
Where are the Steinbrenner bros?
Where is CASHman.
@ G. Franco … that’s enlightening
Thanks for the stat … let’s hope that the Yankees can make it 3-18 today.
every single stinkin year it is the same story. we have no pitching. no matter how hard cashman tries to bring them in, we still have none
just bring Veras in or you need to release him
To take the series, AJ needs to have a sterling game tomorrow. Not of course that I have written off this game.
By the way, where are the Yankees and who are the substitute players out on the field?
Nice to see Andy didn’t want to miss his turn to stink up the joint with the rest of the jokers this week, outside of Sabathia. Absolutely disgraceful starts from Burnett, Wang, Chamberlain and now the 5 inning specialist Andy Pettite.
Why are we suprised at the Yankees getting shut down by a no-name? This is not an impressive offensive team….except maybe on the face of it. Look below the surface and there are disturbing signs. They take innings off at a time and rely on late inning thunder to come back. Great – except that won’t generally get it done against good pitching. I don’t get it – they don’t have any true sluggers on the team (Alex is more than that). They have very good all-around hitters, actually..and yet they consistently put up performances like this.
The heavens perspire…
Pettitte, presses, perilous…
Aceves stirring…
Andy was soooooo 90′s ago…lol
randy – the thing is, you have more insight into this, by virtue of your experiecne, than most. My point is that a regular fan, like myself and most of the people who post here, don’t have that, and saying that so-and-so is incompetent in their job is an uninformed comment.
And you’re right about voting about president, or almost any office other than our localities.
im not trying to point fingers, but man oh man the pitchers struggle with posada behind the plate. maybe it is just a coincidence, but i’m just saying
Why are we suprised at the Yankees getting shut down by a no-name? This is not an impressive offensive team….except maybe on the face of it. Look below the surface and there are disturbing signs. They take innings off at a time and rely on late inning thunder to come back. Great – except that won’t generally get it done against good pitching. I don’t get it – they don’t have any true sluggers on the team (Alex is more than that). They have very good all-around hitters, actually..and yet they consistently put up performances like this.
Oh, and good job again by Andy making the Mets look good.
“Like I said. … Another brutal start for the Yankees. Pettitte has (so far) allowed 10 hits in 4.1 innings. Mets lead 4-1.
After getting the gift last night and knowing Santana starts tomorrow, this is a poor effort all the way around for the Yankees, as dreary as the weather.”
you must have a pretty miserable life to root for the failure of others like this, pete.
here’s hoping karma doesn’t come back to haunt you.
Joke Cabrera in right field.. Ala, Swish!
Francesa is at home weakly screaming “But Andy Pettitte is a starting pitchah!!!!”
5-1
Melky really
Let’s keep Andy in there!
It appears that after the 3rd inning Giraridi wanted to pull Pettite that’s why Ace was warming up but pettite refused probably becase of the bonus money he would get at certain numbers of innings pitched…
the Yankees were fun to watch for 6 weeks,now it is painful
GJ Swi….Melky!
“terrible pitching staff… but wait some people here think Pettitte is pitching well this year”
Such is the case when standards are pretty low, I mean there are those who think a Mcdonald’s big mac qualifies as a balanced diet.
Andy stinks to high heaven another dreadful start from our rotation.
andy pettitte sucks!
Can someone please wake up Girardi and tell him Pettitte is sucking?
Andy needs a shot of HGH!!! hahahaha….
We win dis game.
Melky pulls an Abreu
Our starting pitching woes are so much more heightened because of the inept bullpen.
If this was a Red Sox starting pitcher, they could count on their bullpen keeping it at 5 runs and giving the offense a chance to come back.
With the Yankees, you have very little faith in the bullpen stopping the bleeding. So it becomes a situtation where you need the offense to score about 8-9 runs to win, not just 6.
1 hit through 4innings. No comment.
1 hit thru 4 innings off a guy who couldn’t make the Astros?
“It appears that after the 3rd inning Giraridi wanted to pull Pettite that’s why Ace was warming up but pettite refused probably becase of the bonus money he would get at certain numbers of innings pitched…”
Well nice to see that Girardi is the final word, some manager he is if he is doing that. Look up Girardi in the dictionary and you will see his goofy face with “A complete Joke” being the definition. Clown school was open when this guy got hired.
Bombs to the outfield with slow rollers in the infield is making for an annoying combination.
Oh god the cry baby bandwagon fans are coming out the closet.
Matt Holliday is a priority next year with Matsui off the books and possibly Damon too.. I can’t bear to watch Melky and Brett any longer.. I wouldn’t mind Bay, but I don’t think the Sox will let him go
I was hoping the 2nd would be Andy’s “bad” inning.
Let’s go, bats.
JORGE out
Matsui He might get on first (but most likely out)
MELKY out He could surprise me,nut I think not
Yankees better start hitting,and wake up.
Mets are paying you back for the ugly win last night.This is how you play with passion instead of self entitlement,spank tat booty!!
That’s what happens when you pitch for the money.
Andy should have NEVER been given incentives.
Of course he’s going to try and pitch, hurt or not.
getting outhit 11-1 while our all stars flail against a nobody. but hey, tomorrow it’s Santana, so no sweat.
wake up your soporific ass-swingers!
Omir effing Santos? That’s who’s knocking Andy Pettitte around?
Fernando effing Nieve?
Can Joe Buck and Tim McCarver call the game instead of talking about the stadium? Everyone knows its a bandbox
WHawt a joke Pettite is… I mean these pitches are freaking right down the middle… it’s no wonder why they are getting blasted. It is unreal for him to have this bad of command. I mean some of these pitches are batting practice quality. He doesn’t throw hard enough to get away with those types of mistakes. I am seriously getting tired of him on the mound. Considering his horrid second half last year, I am not looking forward to Andy’s future starts this season… He’s not getting any younger and at this point in his career let’s face it he’s medicore. That’s it.
Of course Phil won’t pitch today becaue he has to caddy for Wang – terrific for the kid. He gets to pitch once a week…..good job, Yankees
Gotta start chipping away. Somehow
See I’m thinking that when you see a pitcher one-hitting you, you pull your starter when he’s giving up a plentitude of runs. You have Aceves in there, you have Hughes ready to back up AJ tomorrow if necessary, and you have Monday off I beleive.
Flippin unbelievable.
Is it possible that Girardi has given up on this one?
When is the last time they strung together hits to score runs?
This offense is sputtering.
can we get some guys on base at least?
“Andy needs a shot of HGH!!! hahahaha….”
Need more than that mate, Andy is like a rented mule on his last leg, being kicked around and abused and has no fight left in him. Going out with a whimper.
Hm. Will the same people that were spewing venom towards Swisher do the same to Cabrera? Answer: No. They’ll just make excuses for his play.
Willie Randolph said several times that good Yankee teams knew how to put opponents away without embarassment or running up the score ridiculously.
The Yankee teams of recent years don’t show much of that quality. Too many are not held accountable.
How much has the outfield defense killed them this season? I wish we had the Rays OF for one day just to see what a difference it makes to have guys that can actually catch and throw the ball.
There will be no pie for Andy today.
All are players are homer happy. Get a single you fools. Your boring and predictable.
trevor, well they can’t score unless they hit a home run
i can’t remember the last time they had a sac fly, or just an rbi single
This team is a missed pop up away from being 0-10 vs. their biggest rivals. That is NOT acceptable. This pitching staff is a joke. It’s about time to shake things up a bit. Perhaps fire Eiland?
With Santana going tomorrow, this series could be almost as miserable as the last one. This team can’t beat a good team…
Melky misses one…
The lead widens, still hope lives…
We win on walk-offs…
Why would you need to ask that Betsy?
You shouldn’t be surprised at all, lol. You predicted that the first post of this thread before the game had even started.
this kid 7 inn 1 Er disgrace…
Getting 4 runs off a no-name kid throwing a 95mph 1-hitter should be a cake walk for our beloved offense.
Awesome!!
Meanwhile the journey-man has put together the best start of the four starters so far this series. So frustrating….but predictable.
you cant not walkoff everday
joe from long island-
some regular fans know more than they think. i wouldn’t bother coming on the blog if i didn’t learn something from coming here. my father never played pro ball , but he played semi pro on his town team until he was in his thirties. he ‘s very knowledgeable about the yankees and what it takes to be a yankee. as yogi says, you’d be surprised what you can learn by watching.
doing is obviously the thing that teaches you the most, but watching teaches a lot. all being a bullpen catcher did was get me a closer look at pro baseball. i think where we’d agree is that it’s obnoxious when someone has never done something, but they think they know everything about it.
but at the same time, there’s a lot of smart people watching as fans who do see things.
Our pitching staff is brutal. What happened to the idea that they would carry the team? Simply terrible
Brandon, not sure what you mean about crybaby bandwagon fans? The fans that complain aren’t bandwagon fans. they are fans that are upset that the team is terrible right now with it’s pitching.. A bandwagon fan would be someone who per-say started supporting the Sox because they are winning or liking the Penguins now just cause the won the Cup last night.
Pettitte has stunk since early April. This is not a slump he’s in.
They are being 1 hit by a journeyman.
chipping requires hitting. So far – they still only have 1 hit.
Well at the rate they look against Fernando Valenzuela, ahem, I mean Nieves. Santana must be licking his chops to get at this one dimensional lineup with its raggedy arse pitching staff.
Let the pain in his foot be a reminder to Melky to not swing at the first pitch
I don’t know a lot of more patient posters on this forum so I think I may have earned the right to voice a little frustration. If it is misplaced it is. I’m not sure either way.
I am SO sick of Andy Pettitte’s pitching lately.
I am SO sick of Posada’s game calling.
I am SO sick of having to wonder about whether another catcher would bring about a different result.
This doesn’t really call for an answer or discussion because I am not convinced in either direction nor will I be. It just is what it is. I mean if you want to discuss it feel free. But I am just voicing frustration is all.
Pettitte needs to stop being selfish and just admit that he is hurt. Of course, he won’t do that because of his incentive-laden contract. He is hurting the team badly right now. He needs to stop being selfish and stop covering up his injury. He can’t throw strikes.
String together hits. Don’t swing at the first pitch. Slap a ball to the opposite field. Hit line drives.
When was the last time we saw the Yankees build a rally like Boston did in the 8th inning the other night? Those are the innings that knock pitchers out of the game. Not homeruns, which are nice, but don’t make the pitchers work as hard.
Even the OPPC doesn’t sound positive, lol.
That’s not good.
I don’t know about bay. He can be pitched to. I know Boston knows how to pitch to him.
After that disgusting win yesterday, for this team to come out and look like this is just horrendous. They look today like they don’t even care about playing the game.
LOL Angel, I wish I was wrong, I really do…..
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Nieve struggle this inning.
He needs 5 to be in line for a win. Sometimes that Inning #5 is a tough one to get
The ball isn’t carrying to right
Trisha, you rip on people all the time for saying stuff like that and now you say it? I think you owe many people an apology.
This game is annoying.
Hey kase, what do you think about today being the k word for last night?
Pistripes ply their trade,
Working the count, waiting for…
Melky just missed it…
“The ball isn’t carrying to right”
Who cares? How about them stringing hits together.
“Working the count,”
Um, what?
cmon jeter
“I am SO sick of Posada’s game calling.”
:rolls:
This is just like the 1-5 innings yesterday. Everyone is trying to hit a homerun and it just ends up being a fly ball to the warning track.
I love Melky, but it seems he gets into funks where he becomes homerun happy. Last year he hit about 5 HR in April and then he couldn’t hit for average the rest of the season.
grounds crew coming out
And with that… I’m out for awhile.
“The ball isn’t carrying to right”
Who cares? How about them stringing hits together.”
Exactly, I hope it never carries so they might actually stop trying to hit homeruns on every swing.
emoticon karma strikes!
“Trisha, you rip on people all the time for saying stuff like that and now you say it? I think you owe many people an apology.”
No Ironhorse. I rip on people for saying stuff like that all the time. HUGE difference.
What do you use Tim McCarver CDs for? Coasters?
“The ball isn’t carrying to right ”
wierd park.
The old stadium..
i hope andy doesn’t blackmail the yankees for one more year, this time next year, hughes should take over. and please, no talks of darvish, 100 mill for 3 year career is nuts.
Does anyone else find DYNASTY IS DESTINY’s commenting style annoying?
Tim McCarver really makes me want to shoot myself
# RS June 13th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
String together hits. Don’t swing at the first pitch. Slap a ball to the opposite field. Hit line drives.
When was the last time we saw the Yankees build a rally like Boston did in the 8th inning the other night? Those are the innings that knock pitchers out of the game. Not homeruns, which are nice, but don’t make the pitchers work as hard.
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They have 21 comeback wins this season – the most on the major leagues.
It’s safe to say that not all of them were the result of bombs.
This team has strung together plenty of rallies this season.
Trevor, so true…Andy’s been bad, the whole staff has been mediocre (and lately, just horrific). It’s a perfect storm – bad hitting, pitching, defense……baserunning. You name it, the Yankees have done it wrong.
Phil is being utterly wasted in the pen, esp. since he hardly pitches. Unbelievable.
DISGRACE!
great job Jete
Rally killer
When you have a mgr that played with active players,Joe YIELDS to them and it’s a big mistake.
Ok the 6-9 innings is when the Yankees mount a come back.Can’t figure out why it takes them so long to respond.
Gardner fooled me let’s hope Captain Jeter doesn’t do his usual and hit into a double play at 1st or 2nd,his specialty.
The flagpole bat is still in the old stadium. Wonder why?
Capt Clutchless
Jetes srsly ?
Jeter and a slow roller to short, they go together like peaches and herb.
captain suck strikes again!
And you wonder why they bunt Jeter.
awful
Oh Derek …
why aren’t the hitters being more patient with this guy? The guys who are taking pitches are always getting ahead of the counts..
Some of you are saying Andy is hurt, if so why is he pitching?
I don’t care if he does have a incentive laden contract, the trainer should tell the manager the truth, and the manager should take the responsibility to put him on the DL.
We got Phil Hughes out there twiddling his fingers, he can take Andy’s place until he heals.
Losing games to placate a good, but injured, struggling pitcher, makes no sense! If I was owner, Girardi would be in my office first thing Monday morning, and he better have a very good explanation.
On the other hand, he may not be hurt at all, and just near the end of a great career. It happens to all of them sooner or later.
It’s a long season, plenty of games to play, no time to panic.
“i hope andy doesn’t blackmail the yankees for one more year, this time next year, hughes should take over. and please, no talks of darvish, 100 mill for 3 year career is nuts.”
After the Igawa era, the Yankees might want to stay out of Japan for a long time, because its clear their scouting there leaves a lot to be desired in the pitching department.
As for Pettitte he will be duly escorted to his Houston premises with a nice thank you for the memories. We kind of expected this from him. lots of hits allowed, high era, problem is in the light of Burnett, Wang, Chamberlain not stepping up it has become even more necessary for him to pitch quality starts and he has been pedestrian at beast.
“No Ironhorse. I rip on people for saying stuff like that all the time. HUGE difference.”
So when YOU do it it’s ok. When someone else does it, they are branded a bridge-jumping, crybaby, front-runner. Got it. Thanks!
Meanwhile, yet another FAIL with RISP.
Hey guys remember in April when Pettitte went 7 innings 3 runs every start?
Good Times!
“Does anyone else find DYNASTY IS DESTINY’s commenting style annoying?”
Yes.
This is the exact reason I didn’t want Pettitte back this year. He’s terrible, he nibbles, he pitches only to contact, and he walks the whole damn yard.
“Does anyone else find DYNASTY IS DESTINY’s commenting style annoying?”
Do you mean the haiku or the puzzling use of ellipses?
I enjoy the haiku.
I find the puzzling use of ellipses just that: puzzling.
Posada reaches…
Matsui to third, stopping…
The Captain thwarted…
:-~
That mexican scout needs to be promoted stat
“Hey guys remember in April when Pettitte went 7 innings 3 runs every start?
Good Times!”
How appropriate, must have been an April fool’s joke he was playing on us.
“So when YOU do it it’s ok. When someone else does it, they are branded a bridge-jumping, crybaby, front-runner. Got it. Thanks!”
No you don’t have it, which is hardly surprising.
And if I owe anybody anything here, it is least of all you.
“Does anyone else find DYNASTY IS DESTINY’s commenting style annoying?”
Not a fan of Haiku?
trisha,
i don’t think much about karma one way or another. i just invoked that word because pete climbs all over anyone who criticized wang as being miserable, though pete has freely criticized and even mocked the struggles of many yankees.
i don’t see the difference. i think pete’s a hypocrite who won’t admit his own emotional involvement in wang’s performance and i’m going to continue calling him out on it from time to time because he’s incapable of admitting it himself.
Dyansty is also a Red Sox troll.
I think it’s that Last Season guy. The one who always liked J*s*n B*y
It’s amazing how many times the Yankees squander opportunities to score in the middle innings.
Score just 1 run in the 5th, and it’s only a 3-run game. This team just can’t chip away until they run into a lousy reliever in the 7th inning.
kasey – ah.
2 hits through 5 innings. Seriously? Really? I know the Yankees aren’t going to hammer every pitcher they face. I know the Yankees aren’t going to win all 162 games. I know it’s only June. But you can’t tell me that this isn’t frustrating to watch. The Mets had 12 hits against Pettitte through 5 innings. 10 more hits than the Yankees???
found a video of SJ’s nephew being interviewed:
http://pittsburgh.pirates.mlb......8;c_id=pit
I really like Aceves.
You know, there is every piece of evidence that Aceves is a better pitcher than Pettitte at this point.
RS just check thier numbers
http://www.baseball-reference......2009#innng
They don’t play ball until after the 6th inning.
This game is far from over. 5-1 lead for this team – in this park – is nothing.
Aceves is good when he comes in as the beginning of an inning
Aw, Nick.
I wanted to see what a dinner rolls emoticon looked like.
randy – agree with you. For myself, I think it would be arrogant to voice anything judgmental about the efforts of any baseball professional. I simply don’t feel that I know enough baseball, let alone what happens inside the team. I just know what I read and see on TV. While there are plenty of times I’m frustrated – like right now, with lack of starters going more than a few innings – I clearly don’t know enough to criticize someone does it for their livlihood. One of the things that irks me, on this blog or in life, are people who think they more than they do going around criticizing professionals in any area.
Just my $0.02.
randy – agree with you. For myself, I think it would be arrogant to voice anything judgmental about the efforts of any baseball professional. I simply don’t feel that I know enough baseball, let alone what happens inside the team. I just know what I read and see on TV. While there are plenty of times I’m frustrated – like right now, with lack of starters going more than a few innings – I clearly don’t know enough to criticize someone does it for their livlihood. One of the things that irks me, on this blog or in life, are people who think they more than they do going around criticizing professionals in any area.
Just my $0.02.
Aceves arrives…
Obliges Girardi’s call…
Order is restored…
Speaking of tiring and annoying…anybody else tired and annoyed with Trisha’s arrogance? She tries to act all innocent and rah-rah positive but when someone stands up to her, she immediately gets defensive and offensive. She can dish it out, but she certainly can’t take it back.
Trisha is two-faced. Internet tough guy.
“I really like Aceves.”
I really like our Mexican scout, lock him up.
Wow, I’m glad I can’t see this game. Yet another crappy job against a pitcher they have never seen. Perhaps it’s just the letdown from yesterday’s win.
Notice the pitching has stunk since Posada’s return? I want him DHing next year. Cervelli with the bulk of the catching. Oh well if they have to carry a third catcher.
Posada ignores scouting reports too much. Which could explain his questionable game calling at times.
need to start chipping away
I still say what has changed,Posada coming back.
Your pitchers weren’t laboring as much with Cerevelli.
Catcher calls a bad pitch+Pitcher throws bad pitch=fielder pay for it every time.
I’ve always been a Joba in the rotation guy, but is it inconceivable, with the way the starters and bullpen are performing, to just think about moving Aceves into the rotation, and put the combo of Bruney and Chamberlain in the 7th and 8th inning role, with the thought of grooming Chamberlain to be the next closer?
“Perhaps it’s just the letdown from yesterday’s win.”
1-9 vs. biggest rivals. That’s not a letdown. That’s just bad, gutless baseball.
Re: – Pete’s last post at 6:08 – Is Andy’s back hurting more than he’s saying? Is he the next one on the DL?
How many hard hit outs are we going to make?
Do these guys have somewhere to go? Damon and Tex each saw two pitches.
See Ace did not agree with Posada until he agreed to the pitch Ace wanted. A change up and got Beltran easily. It is happening with many pitchers and Posada needs to work with pithcers and let them throw what they feel comfortable and stop being stubborn with them.
hmmm… that’s not a good sign.
wow I go downstairs at the start of the inning, comeback, 2 outs.
Nick in SF,
Thanks for the thumbs up on the haiku…
Ironhorse –
YAWN!
“Jose Veras, it would seem, is completely useless.
Yankees have put a big stamp on this game and mailed it in so far.”
it’s just disheartening to see somebody rooting for the failure of others like this. shame on you.
Alex hbp
great Job Offense really great job
Typical Trisha cop-out. Coward.
If Andy is injured, the only way he can be put on the DL is if Wang pitches well.
“1-9 vs. biggest rivals. That’s not a letdown. That’s just bad, gutless baseball.”
I’m confused. Sorry, I’m not a math major.
Yanks are 0-8 vs Boston.
Yanks are 1-0 vs. Mets
Where do you get 1-9 Ironhorse?
Lets drill one back up the middle and hit this chump. Purpose pitch.
Robbie quick 0-2!
I guess they hit Alex to punish him for that popup. LOL!
“I wanted to see what a dinner rolls emoticon looked like.”
Me too! Word is that Pillsbury is working on a ‘rolls’ emoticon for Phil Hughes and a ‘pies’ emoticon for AJ.
Pettitte has allowed 12+ hits 10 times in his career, twice in the last 26 days.
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“Where do you get 1-9 Ironhorse?”
A loss today = 1-9. I’m guessing you went to public school, huh? Didn’t do well on the logic portion of the SAT either, huh?
Cano needs to be dropped out of the 5th spot he has comepletely sucked
Bring back willie!
Bring back willie!
When will Joe relieve a pitcher before he digs the team into a vast whole.
The Yankees are awful with runners in on base and in scoring position.
rcon23,
Haiku not for you…?
Avert your eyes when I post…
Haiku hurt no one…
I take the back we won’t win. Oh and MLB should make us give them the win back from yesterday.
embrassing
No one is hitting about .300 now.
for about a week now….Cano has been late on everything…91mph down the pipe…or 78 curve…late…late…late.
I don’t know enough about hitting….what could be the reason?
OK … I know … I know … and I apologize ahead of time … but you just struck out on an awful, awful pitch and all you can do is stand there and blow a bubble? UGH …
Cano, choke on your bubble gum. You are a useless bum. Why in God’s name is this clown hitting 5th? When was the last time he got a hit with men on base? 2006? Put Matsui there, at least he has hot streaks. Cano gotta go.
all this talk about arod being a choker, the biggest joke of a hitter on the yankees is cano, the guy never comes thru and only hits when it doesn’t matter, FOR REAL.
Cano has lost the patience he had at the beginning of the year when he was hitting 371
Well, at least our RISP number isn’t too bad today. 0 for 1.
If you know my name…
Dynasty is Destiny…
Is no Red Sox troll…
“Where do you get 1-9 Ironhorse?”
A loss today = 1-9. I’m guessing you went to public school, huh? Didn’t do well on the logic portion of the SAT either, huh?”
Thanks Ironhorse. I thought I was watching the game live!!
Didn’t realize it was already a loss.
Why are you watching a game that you already know the outcome of?
“Thanks for the thumbs up on the haiku…”
You’re welcome, but what is the rest of that unfinished thought, as implied by the ellipsis?
According to John Manuel of Baseball America, Cuban defectors Noel Arguellez and Jose Iglesias have been declared free agents by Major League Baseball after clearing the unblocking process. Both players defected while in Canada last July for the World Junior Championships.
*Arguellez is a 19-yr old lefthanded pitcher that Manuel says has drawn Francisco Liriano comparisions*. Iglesias, also 19, is said to be a shortstop in the Orlando Cabrera mold. Jamie Torrez, the agent for both players, says he has been contacted by several teams already, but did not speculate on any bonus demands.
http://www.baseballamerica.com.....ts/?p=4798
Mets fans are going to be wet for the next 4 days after they get a 2 hit shut out from a prospect from a supposedly “Baren” farm system.
It’s gonna be way worse than the “Daniel Murphy really reminds me of Paul Oniell” nonsense.
No radio till Friday.
Couple of things. Joba can’t be a closer, or even a set-up guy when he’s throwing 91-92.
Second, it could be just a coincidence, but the pitching is sub-par right now.
One thing is clear, the pitchers are not afraid of shaking off Jorge. You’ll going to see more and more of it.
Jose, can you come…back healthy?
One thing that Jose did well was varying the look to a batter. In and out, up and down.
Girardi keeps sticking him in the 5th hole each day without looking at how he’s performing.
Alex has hit just enough and has enough power that teams will always have to think twice about pitching around Tex consistently.
Not so sure the Yanks have anyone who can bat 5th right now that teams are afraid of putting Alex on though.
Move Cano to the 8th spot and watch him get hot.
This cannot be a surprise to anyone.
New pitcher means no hits.
And tomorrow will unfortunately bring more frustration with Santana.
I just have to stay positive but how???
Ironhorse -
Uh, the game is not over, unless you think this is like football or basketball, and they run out the clock.
Sorry, you have to get 3 outs in the 9th, no more, no less.
The game is not over. If you are much of a baseball fan, you should know that.
Oh, one other thing, if you don’t like for people to be sarcastic with you, then don’t do it to them. You know, do unto others …
Fear not. The jobs of Kevin Long and Dave Eiland are safe.
What the hell? That looks like an over-sized condom.
Nick,
Haha. Under that soft belly of Hughes are guts of steel!
Have we seen one pitcher’s umpire in the past week? I’m getting so sick of these teeny, tiny strike zones every night.
“i don’t see the difference. i think pete’s a hypocrite who won’t admit his own emotional involvement in wang’s performance and i’m going to continue calling him out on it from time to time because he’s incapable of admitting it himself.”
kasey-
so tell us what you know about wang’s performance ? pete say that with wang it’s always about stride and arm angle when they are fixing him . i agree. what do you think is the problem ?
he’s really in his 3rd or 4th week of spring training and we saw a major upgrade of stuff last game . if he does takes another step forward , we should see some better results.
you’re a performer. you should know as well as anyone that it’s a process.
nobody complained about cano batting 5th yesterday when he got 2 hits including a homerun right?
Who is really surprised?
I think we have a shot at winning tommorrow. But to be honest I’m not even disappointed, just gald we won yesterday.
They have Monday off, right? They need a day to get their heads on straight.
glad is glad.
gAld is glad.
How do Yankee pitchers continue to give up hits and HRs to washed up bums that are embarrassed by the rest of the league
“the jobs of Kevin Long and Dave Eiland are safe.”
i think kevein long’s job is safer.
The idiots whine about Cano, but, his numbers are the same as Jeter’s. Talk about having no clue.
You’re as bad as the ones that disparage the Rodriguez’ homer, which was hit and the wind is blowing out to right. Talk about no clue. If Jeter had hit it, it would be just fine.
Well, Sheff certainly likes the new stadium.
It is ridiculous that Cano is batting fifth.
I said it yesterday and before that. He is too undisciplined and doesn’t have enough power. Posada is the better hitter and should bat fifth.
Boy, I didn’t think it would be this sad. 1 run off of a Astro reject?
thank God that Castillo dropped that ball last night
Jeter is not batting behind A-Rod.
typical yankees they make a scrub pitcher they never saw before look like an allstar.
The only solace I have tonight is to root for the Phillies against MatsuSukah
I’m not disappointed at all. I saw this coming a mile away.
I’m calling a win tomorrow.
Sheffield strikes again…
Pinstripe victory in doubt…
Aceves struggles…
“The idiots whine about Cano, but, his numbers are the same as Jeter’s. Talk about having no clue.”
I may whine about Cano batting 5th, but I am far from an idiot. Last time I checked, Jeter wasn’t batting behind Alex. The 5th spot is premium real estate. We need somebody there that has the potential to do some damage. Cano does not consistently have the patience to bat 5th. That’s a fact. Saying that on a public blog doesn’t make me an idiot. It makes me a Yankee fan who is unhappy with the lineup.
this might have been the most non energetic performance i have seen from the yanks in awhile…oh wait they did it in game 1 of the boston series
What’s with these former Yankees sticking to their old teams, anyway? Why couldn’t they perform with that kind of gusto when they were with us?
Calgon, take me away!
I really wish that Petitte retired at the end of last season. At least that way he would have retired still with the image of an ace that got the Yankees great WS wins, great memories, etc.
Instead, he will retire this year after pitching what will probably be the worst in his career, leaving fans with memories of a mediocre pitcher who was barely able to stay in the rotation.
Too bad.
Veras is coming in ?
I’m gone. Later guys, we’ll get’em manana.
It’s refreshing to see a pitcher pitch well,ACEVES
All the Sox trolls are here with the late game start.
Remember last week when the Rays basically gift-wrapped a Yankees win by botching up a DP ball in the 7th inning? The next night in a “must-win” game against the Red Sox, the Yankees came up flat in a 7-0 loss.
This series is very reminiscent of that.
A Jose Veras sighting!
GB
I don’t want Jeter batting 5th either. Not complaining about how Cano is hitting, just where. Like what is usually important in life it’s about location, location, location.
Pettitte was awful all the yankees starter except for Sabathia have been very bad lately and are killing the bullpen by not going deeper into games.
Pettite is a number five starter. What do you expect?
“This game is over. Mentally the Yankees have picked up the bill and checked out.”
That may be the case. The question is *why*.
UPDATE, 6:20 p.m.: This game is over. Mentally the Yankees have picked up the bill and checked out.
Pete – don’t start your game story yet! You might need a re-write. The 2009 Yanks aren’t quitters.
In retrospect, today would’ve been a good time to give Veras some burn.
Baseball gods getting back at the Yankee ghosts?
This ump’s strike call is pretty smooth. I want the guy who does the twist when he rings someone up. He was fun to watch.
CANO CAREER SPLITS
5th= .297 .319 .431
6th= .288 .333 .478
7th= .337 .370 .513
8th= .275 .310 .430
9th= .303 .328 .483
hes clearly terrible 5th…. :X
“Molina (quad) took batting practice on Sunday and he could be ready to return in about 10 days, the Westchester Journal-News reports.”
Good news.
we have cc sabathia who hasn’t really sold me yet on being a big game pitcher then we have a bunch of guys who can’t throw 6 innings…hell we have a bunch of guys who cant make it 3 innings. scary stuff
“What’s with these former Yankees sticking to their old teams, anyway? Why couldn’t they perform with that kind of gusto when they were with us?”
What are you talking about? Sheff raked when he was a Yankee.
Who knows what Psada,Matsui,Melky will do,I hope at least 3 runs,but it’s doubtful.
Pettitte has to come clean with his physical condition, before every one starts blaming Girardi.
True he has an innings based incentives contract, but he owes it to the team.
“It’s 6-1 in the seventh inning … Jose Veras warming up. So that’s his role.”
Well at least we know who our pasty, bullpen creampuff is. Jose Vera$$ by a mile, mop up extraordinaire.
MY SUGGESTED LINEUP:
1 jeter
2 damon
3 a-rod
4 tex
5 posada/matsui
6 matsui/posada
7 melky
8 cano/swish
9 gardner/cano
pat
June 13th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
GB
I don’t want Jeter batting 5th either. Not complaining about how Cano is hitting, just where. Like what is usually important in life it’s about location, location, location.
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I don’t especially like him in the 5th spot, but, it’s not like he’s a disaster, or, at least any more than the others. Nobody has really hit much in June except Teixeira, Swisher and Posada. Cano is much more suited in the 7th slot.
First Penny and now Nieve …
“hes clearly terrible 5th”
He’s clearly a better 7th.
Trisha
Molina back means “the eyes” could be gone.
One can only hope Mattingly returns to coach this sorry team. Kevin long has butchered robbie cano
OH and how much longer can we keep trotting Andy meatball Pettitte out there? He was atrocious last year in the second half and he is terrible once again. I hope they DL him, give hughes his spot. And if Wang doesn’t produce you insert Aceves or look outside for help.
I’d probably bat Posada 5th.
a-rod strikes out too much and plus he’s guessing pitches during crucial at-bats…. that’s why i suggest move him to #3
“so tell us what you know about wang’s performance ? pete say that with wang it’s always about stride and arm angle when they are fixing him . i agree. what do you think is the problem ?”
randy,
i don’t disagree with pete on what wang’s problem is. i disagree with the fact that pete criticized anyone who criticized wang as having “miserable lives” and “rooting for wang’s struggles,” when neither was the case. i was not hoping wang continued to struggle, nor was anyone else. we were pointing out that for bit to announce that wang was “back” after two decent innings was premature to the point of absurdity.
meanwhile, pete has had no problem going after arod, veras, farnsworth and other assorted yankees in the past when they’ve performed poorly.
the difference is this: pete and wang are friends and it upsets pete when his friend is criticized because it’s obviously been hard to watch wang go through this from a personal and professional standpoint.
as soon as pete can be a man and cop to that, i’ll cut it out. until then i’m going to keep pointing out his hypocrisy on the occasions which i post.
what’s wrong with wang is, i’m sure, whatever you and pete think it is. whatever it is, he’s awful and beating a lackluster nats team, should he do it, won’t change that.
this team has serious problems.
This offense can’t be any more clueless. Third time through and they still can’t hit.
“I don’t especially like him in the 5th spot, but, it’s not like he’s a disaster, or, at least any more than the others.”
You’re right. He’s not a disaster in the 5 hole. However, he’s also not the best option for the 5th spot. Like you said, he’s better hitting 7th.
“hes clearly terrible 5th”
Yes, he is. From the stats you posted anyway. A .319 OBP is not good.
Imagine if we loaded the bases and then we got a granny. We’d only be behind by one, with momentum on our side!
“The idiots whine about Cano, but, his numbers are the same as Jeter’s. Talk about having no clue.”
Talk about an idiot? You are the kind of moron who gets seduced by “numbers.” Cano’s “numbers” are meaningless. Meaningless hits with no one on base. When was the last time the guy had a meaningful hit? A hit with men on base? How often does he show ANY discipline? It’s not about numbers. It’s about doing something occasionally (at least) to help your team. Cano doesn’t. He goes up there with no clue and gets himself out over and over by swinging at pitcher’s pitches. He never learns. As for Jeter, he is far from flawless but he has produced in big spots a lot over his career. Cano? Blows bubbles.
i was listening to wfan before the game they said a yankees hitter said “we usually struggle against guys we haven’t seen”
way to be confident before the game. jeez…i wonder who that hitter was
Why do the bats go from being on fire to being colder than an iceberg? and even worse, against someone like Nieve?
a-rod + cano + big-spots = pop ups galore!!!!
Hit number 3!
“Molina back means “the eyes” could be gone.”
Uh oh.
Okay how about this? We carry three catchers because you don’t send the eyes down with Molina coming back from an injury!
Seriously why doesnt everyteam just bring up a young arm and pitch against the yankees
This is highly embarrassing for a major league team to be owned by a complete bum
Ed H. : batting Posada 5th puts the two lefties, Cano and Matsui, back to back. Which Girardi clearly wants to avoid. But at this point I’d put ANYONE 5th ahead of Canothit. He is beyond useless with anyone on base. This “effort” today is inexcusable from this team. It really is. I don’t know if Pete is right, but it sure seems like he is. They have looked like they are mailing it in all day long, and there is simply no excuse for that.
Okay, I apologize to everyone here (except Ironhorse) and especially to my fellow OPPCers if my expression of frustrations was unacceptable.
I obviously still believe in this team mightily.
GO YANKEES!!!!
Trisha said,
“Imagine if we loaded the bases and then we got a granny. We’d only be behind by one, with momentum on our side!”
I like your attitude!
Go Yanks!!!!!
The Yankees haven’t “mentally checked out”. They have a lot of cold hitters being shut down by a good pitching performance. You get those at points in the year.
Sorry Pete, I don’t accept that we just give up.
positive: gardner has been hitting the ball hard lately
negative: everything else
jk
1) Why do the Yankees always have to embarrass themselves on National televised games such as on FOX and ESPN? It seems like they never win when they play on these networks.
2) The new Yankee Stadium has messed up everybody swing on the team. They keep trying to hit the ball in the air and they keep flying put. It seems like no one can put the ball in play.
3) At this point their pitching and hitting is a mess.
good AB’s for Melky and GGBG – they didn’t look like they mailed it in.
JEter, same spot as last time… If A Rod were to make an out in this upcoming situation he’d be booed. Lets see how the crowd treats Jeter.
I think he’s gonna get a hit.
Trisha and dynasty i would join you in shouting GO YANKS!!! even if we are losing… as long as OUR TEAM LOOKS LIKE IT IS TRYING TO WIN!!!!!!
Same situation as the fifth: 1st and 3rd 2 outs Jeter up. Can he get hit this time.
Red Sox would….
How about Berroa go down when Jose comes back? Pena is still in the bigs, right?
We’ll probably pick up some wins against the Braves/Marlins/Nats, but it’s hard to feel excited about this team when they’re about to go 2-11 against the Red Sox, Phillies, and Mets.
The pitching is a mess right now, which is a shame because it was on such a roll earlier. I might be stretching here, but it seems the drastic turnaround coincided with Wang’s return, as well as Posada’s.
Trevor, Red Sox wouldn’t ALL the time.
We’ve done it more than the Sox, 20 times (21 was a gimme).
Dutch Hugo
June 13th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
“The idiots whine about Cano, but, his numbers are the same as Jeter’s. Talk about having no clue.”
Talk about an idiot? You are the kind of moron who gets seduced by “numbers.” Cano’s “numbers” are meaningless. Meaningless hits with no one on base. When was the last time the guy had a meaningful hit? A hit with men on base? How often does he show ANY discipline? It’s not about numbers. It’s about doing something occasionally (at least) to help your team. Cano doesn’t. He goes up there with no clue and gets himself out over and over by swinging at pitcher’s pitches. He never learns. As for Jeter, he is far from flawless but he has produced in big spots a lot over his career. Cano? Blows bubbles.
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Jeter’s job is to score runs. Guess what? He didn’t score but 88 last year, and he may get that many this year. He hits more weak grounders and into more DPs than anybody on the team. He’s had his share of chokes last year and this year, too. His last at bat for example.
Face it, they’ve all had their share of screwups this year….including Rodriguez and everyone on the pitching staff.
As far as Cano never hitting “in the clutch”, you’re the same type that says that about Rodriguez. Push yourself away from the jelly donuts and learn something.
A nice ground ball to short here for Jeet
Melky was just name Pepsi’s clutch player of the month.
Yankees need a new batting coach,to faithfully give 4-5 innings away from not hitting,shames the Babe.
Bronx Bombers,right n/t!!
DAMN that was tooo close..that would of been heart-wrenching
Good play, better hustle.
Run scores.
But wait, they’ve mentally checked out; this makes no sense if they’ve given up.
What happened on that play? Gameday says a single to Castillo. Did he boot it?
Two runners on base…
Nieves tires, now a move…
A rally rises…
looks like Jeter didn’t quit on that ground ball either….
Wow, I thought he was out as soon as Castillo caught the ball.
Now we need Damon to get on base and let Tex swing the bat in this inning.
well atleast he hit it hard…damn
Must be the eyes
“what’s wrong with wang is, i’m sure, whatever you and pete think it is. whatever it is, he’s awful and beating a lackluster nats team, should he do it, won’t change that.
this team has serious problems.”
kasey-
a major league team is a major league team . if wang pitches well and beats the nationals , it will be very big fro the yankees.
that said, i agree there’s some serious problems on the yankees.they are inconsistant in almost every way. i hate all the walks and i do not go for the belief that eiland can’t throw the ball for the pitcher and that he has nothing to do with all the walks.
he could for one thing say if you walk hitters you come out if they make outs or get hits you stay in. that’s a different approach that encourages throwing strikes. the twins do it.
they take their chances with putting the ball in play.
walks are my pet peeve. i like them as a hitter and hate them by a pitcher.
a pitcher giving up a high OBP is just as bad as a hitter having a low OBP, yet the yankees don’t seem to push getting their pitchers to walk hitters at a minimum.
Oh well.
I’m predicting a loss, I predicted it at 4-1. I just don’t accept they’ve given up.
Terrible AB by Damon. Why would you EVER swing at a 2-0 pitch with 2 outs and Teixeira on deck? Make the pitcher work a little for god’s sake.
6 more outs left
Damon is another one that I’m not sure should be playing.
GB doesn’t like Jeter. He always counters an argument with negative Jeter stats.
But why was he swinging on 2-0? A tremendously stupid at bat.
“The new Yankee Stadium has messed up everybody swing on the team. They keep trying to hit the ball in the air and they keep flying put. ”
Almost all of them were ground balls in the last couple of innings
Its over!
“Terrible AB by Damon. Why would you EVER swing at a 2-0 pitch with 2 outs and Teixeira on deck? Make the pitcher work a little for god’s sake.”
Because on 2-0 you are looking for a cookie. Damon has 13 jacks. He hit it hard. Just right at someone.
the yankees are really good at getting hits with runners in scoring position(:
“But why was he swinging on 2-0?”
Hitters count, expecting a FB.
damon is hitting 230 in the last month
Trying to hit the ball in the air? Have you been watching the game?
You know what is funny? If Wang pitched against the Yankees the way he has pitched against the rest of the league he would go 7+ with 2-3 hits and 0 runs
“Must be the eyes”
Cervelli’s in the game?
The Yankees just blew a big chance to score runs in the 7th inning. Now our big boppers will come up with the bases empty in the 8th. And the Mets actually have a good bullpen this year.
what is veras doing? why is he throwing strikes?
Strike 1 two times in a row for Veras – or is it just a clever disguise?
This is a bad sign Girardi finally has to use Jose Veras.
Posada is 10 for his last 44 and, other than the 3 run HR in garbage time against Texas (that made it 12-3) has done virtually nothing with RISP since he came back from the DL. Three solo HRs and only one other RBI in 55 ABS in that time frame.
There is no good option for a number 5 hitter on the current roster.
I hate veras……..
m
June 13th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
GB doesn’t like Jeter. He always counters an argument with negative Jeter stats.
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DSon’t be ridiculous. I don’t “dislike” Jeter. I think that he’s a Hell of a player, but, then so is Cano, Posada, Rodriguez and the rest of the front liners. I just don’t think that he’s a baseball God. I’ll leave that to the Jeter groupies. I also don’t think any more or any less of Jeter or Rodriguez or any other player. I don’t have a favorite player…only a favorite team.
Green Beret — how did you know I like jelly donuts?
But you know what, go take your Jeter hate and shove it. And don’t tell me that I’m “the type that always says the same about Rodriguez.” I’m not, for the record. Go back on this blog and check. I’m saying it about your buddy, Cano. Yes, Jeter fails his share. Here’s a brainwave: all baseball players do! Even Babe Ruth, Joe D., Mickey, Ted Williams and anyone else who’s ever played the game. The difference is that Cano rarely, rarely gets a hit with men on base, let alone in scoring position. Tell me the last time he did? Because I can’t remember it and I’d really like to know. Everyone fell in love with Cano’s batting average, his sweet swing, but the guy goes up to the plate braindead, and he hasn’t learned. He could be great with his talent, but instead he’d prefer to be lazy, swing at everything and blow bubbles. He gets himself out more often than not. Jeter’s helped bring 4 world series championships to this team. Go look it up and LEARN SOMETHING. jackass.
No one, even Stevie Wonder would mistake Castillo’s swing for Utley’s.
“whatever it is, [Wang]’s awful and beating a lackluster nats team, should he do it, won’t change that.”
kasey: An improved Wang performance vs. the Nationals wouldn’t change your opinion that he is awful? Seriously?
Nice job Cano just walk over to the ball and wait for it you bum
Look GB, there’s your favorite player loafing again… nice Cano. Take a seat next to Swish.
come on mets, i want jose veras out
Our hitters are really slumping. On our last homestand, Jeter, Damon, Cano, Melky, and Posada were all hitting .300+. Now most of them are at .290 or lower.
Way to go Cano. Just wait for the ball.
Bench Cano, put Pena in there for a day.
Get rid of Eiland & Long too, THEY STINK!
“I don’t have a favorite player…only a favorite team.”
GB, is that true for just this particular team or do you always shy away from having a favorite player on the Yankees?
m
GB has misplaced his rings colored glasses so he’s viewing things in 2009 HD instead of in 1998 colorization.
man there is a lot of hate in here today….
Dutch Hugo
June 13th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Ed H. : batting Posada 5th puts the two lefties, Cano and Matsui, back to back. Which Girardi clearly wants to avoid. But at this point I’d put ANYONE 5th ahead of Canothit. He is beyond useless with anyone on base. This “effort” today is inexcusable from this team. It really is. I don’t know if Pete is right, but it sure seems like he is. They have looked like they are mailing it in all day long, and there is simply no excuse for that.
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I would also choose having two lefties together, a much smaller risk than having a guy in the fifth hole who consistently fails to produce with RISP. As far as today’s effort goes, I think that the team is worn down from having to compensate for poor pitching performances and a rough schedule these past few days.
Do NOT blame Veras for that!
If the bats stay cold through tomorrow, they should give the day of to either ARod or Cano, and give Pena some playing time.
stupid
Veras has been pitching his butt off and this is what they do for him?
Outfield defense has been HORRENDOUS this past week.
meant off
nice defense today guys!!
GB7,
I’m only half-kidding.
But, whether it’s Alex or Cano or whomever, you counter by bringing up Jeter when he wasn’t even part of the conversation.
You may not even know that you do it, but it’s true. You did it a lot during the Alex opt-out drama.
robbie — “FIRE CASHMAN…FOR THE LOVE OF BASEBALL GODS!!!”
June 13th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
a-rod strikes out too much and plus he’s guessing pitches during crucial at-bats…. that’s why i suggest move him to #3
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Robbie, he’s a career 300 hitter with 562 hr….whatever he is doing its working wouldnt you say?
Did Gardner misplay a ball?
That is the kind of play that made Girardi bench Cano last year, and it temporarily woke Cano up. May be time for another benching. How many times does a message have to be sent to a guy that not playing hard every play is just not acceptable in a yankee uniform?
“Do NOT blame Veras for that!”
Agreed.
I blame Posada.
>Veras has been pitching his butt off and this is what they do for him?
he’s pitching his butt off with a 4-run deficit in the 8th.
not exactly a high pressure situation.
Laura – All we are saying is give Wang a chance!
June 13th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
“I don’t have a favorite player…only a favorite team.”
GB, is that true for just this particular team or do you always shy away from having a favorite player on the Yankees?
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Absolutely. I quit having favorite players when Mantle retired.
what is the likelihood that Veras gets 5 outs before giving up runs
I am going with 0%
KEEP LOOKING AT the stats of the Yankees,they aren’t matching their play now.There are far better teams in this division that could do better,the YANKEES ARE SLIDING,slowly.
When I hear it’s June and these loses don’t matter,there’s 100 plus games left.Think about this fact, the Sox,If you make it to post season,will have home field advantage over your team.
Games in your division matter.
Laura, he slipped in the field.
GJ Jose
Flock flying over,
Slip, where DiMaggio stood…
Veras bearing down…
This bullpen will be on life support soon. Overworked all the time except for CC.
Terrible job today by Pettitte. Yanks could not hit a pitcher cut by the Astros.
Does anyone have faith in Burnett to get quick outs and pitch into the 7th inning tomorrow?
It would be a shame if the Red Sox and Mets wear our pitching out so much that we’re even too worn out to hold the Nats down.
16 hits to our 5..yikes
16 hits for the Mets today. yowzas
“Did Gardner misplay a ball?”
Yes, he slipped on the wet grass, feel to a knee and couldn’t recover to make the catch.
“what is the likelihood that Veras gets 5 outs before giving up runs
I am going with 0%”
Good that he made you look foolish, huh.
“Absolutely. I quit having favorite players when Mantle retired.”
That might be the way to go these days, particularly since players don’t stay with the same team all the time. My all time fave Yankee is Donnie Baseball. He never went to another team (as a player) so I never had to switch loyalties. I’m not real happy that he’s wearing Dodger Blue, but what can you do?
““Do NOT blame Veras for that!”
Agreed.
I blame Posada.”
I blame the irresponsible money-center banks – just ’cause.
“what is the likelihood that Veras gets 5 outs before giving up runs
I am going with 0%”
If you’ll boost that to 1%, I’d be happy to put up a buck to your hundred. If you really want to stay with 0%, I’ll put up nothing to your $100, but I don’t think that works mathematically.
Cano play was frustrating that was just him being lazy. He is a great talent though.
Gardner slipped on the wet grass I cant really get on him for that. Surprisingly Jose Veras got Wright out.
“Yes, he slipped on the wet grass, feel to a knee and couldn’t recover to make the catch.”
Well, it is wet out there. Can’t fault him for that.
So every pitcher in the rotation except for CC is struggling. Do they all just need to take it from the bullpen to the mound??? Eiland reeks.
“Absolutely. I quit having favorite players when Mantle retired.”
GB – was that Mickey, Mutt or Great-grandpa Mantle?
Green wanted no part of Tex, but still gets the out.
m
June 13th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
GB7,
I’m only half-kidding.
But, whether it’s Alex or Cano or whomever, you counter by bringing up Jeter when he wasn’t even part of the conversation.
You may not even know that you do it, but it’s true. You did it a lot during the Alex opt-out drama.
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and who do people, including you and PA always bring up if Rodriguez doesn’t get a hit? Read the comments. You can fall in love with them all you want. Everyone of you act like he’s trying to steal from Jeter. The jealousy/spite is worse than a bunch of junior high school girls in here.
Nice to see the team show up today
I hate to say it but I’d rather have the Mussina-Joba-Pettitte-Rasner-Ponson rotation from last year over this one.
Ponson and Rasner have outperformed Andy, Burnett, and Wang.
Great Job by our Solo hitting offense.
I agree with you Pete 100%. They mailed it in today after getting lucky last night otherwise they are on a 5 game losing streak and looking at Santana.
Where is the leadership?
What is Girardi good at?
The starters other than CC stink and probably plays a part in the way the team looks mentally.
Can they beat the Nats this week? The Yankees are a bully team beating the weak but cowering under against good teams w/ good pitching.
Are we going to hear more about Andy’s record?
He is horrible to watch and enjoy an afternoon ballgame.
Okay, I predict that the team shows up in force tomorrow!
Taking the rest to the car.
GO PHILS!!!!!
“Cano play was frustrating that was just him being lazy. He is a great talent though.”
Papa Smurf, he has been criticized for being lazy his whole career. He was benched by Girardi for it last year, and we have seen how hard it is to be benched by Girardi for anything. How many times does the guy have to be told to bust it in the major leagues? Or to not go up to the plate swinging at everything he sees?
I for one am tired of his act and wish he would go.
Hey guys, it IS a three game series.
We won a game.
We win tomorrow it’s two out of three. Stop treating this like it’s the end of the world.
How many put outs did Tatis have today? 15? Every time I look at Gameday, it says that they grounded out to Tatis at 1B.
cano’s impatience is really starting to annoy me. Cano reminds me of Latrell Sprewell. One night he drops 40 points and then the next night he has 2pts. This is really irritating.
GB7,
I’m sorry, I don’t know what you’re talking about. I hardly ever mention 0-fers by anyone, let alone Alex.
I’m man enough to say I like Jeter more than Alex. But I try my best not to degrade players to support my arguments.
Forget I said anything. I was just teasing you, but explained myself in case you didn’t know what I was talking about.
They absolutely did not mail it in. They NEVER mail it in. Sometimes you get stinkers like this. That’s baseball. Doesn’t mean they gave up.
When are the Minnesota Twins coming back? We need a pick-me-up.
Jeter is a great player for his consistency. He is better than Cano and Jorge. But Alex and probably when all is said and done Tex are better than him.
Betsy June 13th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
This kid will probably shut down our lineup today……….
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That was the first post in the thread today. And how true it was. Could have seen this coming from a mile away.
If it wasn’t for Castillo Yankees would be looking at a 5 game losing streak facing Santana tomorrow.
Too many guys slumping all at once.
You could see this a mile away. Which is why it doesn’t concern me.
Tell you what: We win tomorrow. I’m calling it right now.
Betsy
June 13th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
This kid will probably shut down our lineup today………..
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Hey Betsy, good call.
“Hey guys, it IS a three game series. We won a game. We win tomorrow it’s two out of three. Stop treating this like it’s the end of the world.”
True, but tomorrow we face one of the top pitchers in the game, and today we mailed it in against someone we should have crushed. It’s the manner in which they play which irks us. They were completely dominated by some guy off the scrap heap AGAIN. We are frustrated.
Winning streaks are a bit overrated. Winning series is the important thing.
Most of our lineup has never seen Btad Penny either and he threw a gem against us
Kind or problematic considering we are playing 12 straight against the NL now… most of these pitchers we haven’t seen.
Trisha,
I definitely think Andy is pitching hurt — and has been doing so for several games now.
Betsy,
I agree that what the Yankees are doing definitely won’t cut it against good teams. Relying on the home run and swinging for the fences is a disease that lets you slide by against teams with lousy bullpens (almost everybody, but not the best teams) and mediocre pitching, but is a prescription for a guaranteed early exit in the postseason and failure otherwise against good teams.
Pepitone,
Depending on the injury, the trainer won’t know if a player is really injured. It’s up to the player in those cases to disclose it. That’s another area where the Yankees blow it (in my opinion) relative to their archrival. Witness how careful they’re being with Smoltz and how careful they were with Schilling and Drew. Yet another reason (among many) why the Red Sox have beat them like a cheap mule in recent years and stand poised to do so for many years to come.
Why does it often seem like the Yankees are the only team in baseball not to be able to beat up on young unproven pitchers with huge ERAs who they haven’t seen?
And why does it seem like they can NEVER beat up on Boston’s weakest pitchers and NEVER shut down Ortiz (and Manny before him) even when they were in one of their very rare slumps where apparently everybody else was shutting them down completely. It’s like they relied on the Yankees to get them OUT of their worst slumps. Very frustrating.
And all of this with the highest payroll in baseball by far.
My goodness, how I want to stop rooting for this team. It’s like rooting for a dim-witted Goliath against smart, well-managed Davids.
The LoHud mood had gotten very ugly.
Antonio Bastardo, you’re our only hope!
I should have said smartER BETTER managed Davids.
They did mail it in… don’t argue with Pete, TeixeriaMVP.
Dutch Hugo, I understand. But I predict a win tomorrow.
No miracle today at 161st and River Ave.
I didn’t see any quit in the Yanks today.
Performance doesn’t equal “mailing it in”
Did everyone swing at the first pitch?
Did anyone fail to hustle or run a ball out?
Did anyone forget how many outs there were?
Are players standing there with the bat on their shoulders?
When things don’t go your way it doesn’t mean you have quit.
These are all MLB players. Nieve pitched a good game. It happens.
ps:
I still think the Yanks will manage to get the tying run to the plate in the 9th. But I’m an optimist.
Who the hell is TexeiraMVP, or Tex4mvp, or Texmvp?
Fifth time he’s been mentioned to me and I have not seen him here ONCE.
Krod is coming back in for redemption.
Gift win yesterday & outpitched by an Astro reject today.
I will not hear the end of this from my Mets friends.
Exactly, M,
Like you say,
“The Yankees are a bully team beating the weak but cowering under against good teams w/ good pitching.”
Aside from the great comeback wins, this is the same team as 2008. All the talk this past month about how we’re a “different team”, was hogwash.
Whipped cream pies aside, the mindset of the team is the same.
The only way to make up for today’s horrible showing would be to score runs off Santana tomorrow. The Yankees have done nothing against staff aces all year (Beckett, Halladay, Lester, Verlander, Jackson, Garza, Cliff Lee, Hamels). You would think they are due to hit a good pitcher for once.
Scorpio-Just keep saying Castillo w/an increasingly more annoying voice until they shut up.
Jeter has a chance to be the game’s all-time hit leader when he hangs them up. And he has four rings (so far). And The Play. And he plays hard every play. Does that make him a God? No, but guys like Cano, who have maybe even more natural talent, will sit there at the end of their careers blowing bubbles and wonder why they never achieved a lot of the things Jeter has.
realistically, the yankees should be 0-4…going for 0-5. We are playing poorly and deserve to lose.
Alex’s homerun seems so long ago.
Teixeira4MVP and his homerism trying to take over the board.
Save it. We don’t need to hear that right now.
Dutch Hugo, I agree.
I blame FOX the yankees never won a game this season whenever they are on fox.
A. What IS homerism.
B. Can someone who isn’t calling me that like it’s an insult explain to me who he/she is?
“Did anyone fail to hustle or run a ball out?”
Yes. CANO.
Bryan: was that the 5th out? Please contact Pete to get my email address to make arrangements for the $100 payoff. Or just write to me directly via my flickr page. Thanks, dude!
How about Pie Man pitch a good game tomorrow and step up for once?
Doesn’t matter how many runs we score if he has another Boston type game
Papa Smurf, wasn’t the Phils comeback on Fox?
So…. did Veras save his job?
Veras looked pretty good.
Brandon, you’re boy Bastardo is in a jam.
I understand how fans can judge results but how do you judge effort?
they won the phillies game on the sat
mailed it in today plain and simple
Wait till they come to OUR house
June 13th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Papa Smurf, wasn’t the Phils comeback on Fox?
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Oh thats right I cant use Fox as the scapegoat
Is Manuel a moron?
Why would he waste K-Rod today? Wouldn’t you lose him tomorrow?
Get ready for Krod’s girations.
be nice if we made F-Rod throw about 40 pitches so he can’t throw tomorrow.
We ain’t winning tomorrow
The Mets are stupid. Why would they waste Krod in this spot? Hopefully the Yankees make him work this inning so he’s unavailable tomorrow.
pat, that’s what I’m thinking.
pat,
did they look like they gave 100% effort today? they mailed it in from the start
Dutch Hugo
June 13th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
Jeter has a chance to be the game’s all-time hit leader when he hangs them up. And he has four rings (so far). And The Play. And he plays hard every play. Does that make him a God? No, but guys like Cano, who have maybe even more natural talent, will sit there at the end of their careers blowing bubbles and wonder why they never achieved a lot of the things Jeter has.
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He was part of great teams that won. He was THE TEAM. How many has he won in the last 8 years?
As far as the Cano play, today, he went up the middle on a slow hopper? Are you aware of where he was playing to begin with for a left handed batter? He wasn’t just standing still waiting.
So Boston, whose never seen Bastardo have men on base right from the start. What a novelty.
“I understand how fans can judge results but how do you judge effort?”
exactly.
Obviously, if you make an out against a non-famous pitcher – you didn’t try.
If you get a hit – you did what you were supposed to do.
K-Rod is going to do an extra-exuberant celebration because of what Bruney said… just watch
“A. What IS homerism.
B. Can someone who isn’t calling me that like it’s an insult explain to me who he/she is?”
HAH
Well played I was thinking the same thing.
Manual is a moron for bringing in K-Rod if he does use K-Rod tommorow we could get to him tommorow that will be his 3rd straight day to pitch.
mailing it in doesn’t always have to be seen, too. Like Pete said, is the video room even operational? They faced a pitcher who the mets got off the scrap heap and got dominated by him. We can’t know if they were actually using the video room and trying to figure the guy out (as even minor league hitters have figured him out). But we sure didn’t figure him out, did we? The same way we have way too often not been able to figure out mediocre or worse pitchers in the past. Why?
Scorpio,
Boston hitters actually read scouting reports, watch film, and have good ABs. Not just show up and expect to win.
Not try and hit solo HRs and swing at first pitches while taking meatballs down the middle for called strikes like our hitters do
That;s why Boston is Boston
It’s scary to think that if not for a Castillo error and a blown save by a clearly injured Lidge, the Yankees would be 0-13 against the Mets, Phillies, and Red Sox.
Even with their lucky breaks, they are 2-11. All I can say is, hopefully karma will make them crush those teams in the postseason.
“Thanks Ironhorse. I thought I was watching the game live!!
Didn’t realize it was already a loss. ”
Just wanted to say hi! I’ve seen enough baseball to know when a team is dead in the water early on. I guess you haven’t.
Couldn’t they find some good looking mets fans?
good job melky make k-rod work
Not the best week for the Yankees.
Hopefully things turn around starting tomorrow-I’m looking at you AJ
Ouch. I should have skipped this game and -taken my daughter to the salon- taken my dog out for a nice long walk.
Sigh, not too late for that. Woof!
stuart
It’s just my opinion but I think fans confuse results with effort too often.
Some people seem to think if they are not winning, they are not trying.
Sometimes you just get beat and it’s not about effort, it’s about being outplayed.
Rs,
What that proves is that we’re not a great team and don’t show up for big games. We beat up on the little sisters of the poor with 1\2 our payroll and talent.
It’s odd because in the past, we always used to beat good teams and falter against the lesser ones. Now the tables have turned.
If the error didn’t happen yesterday,the Yankees would be 4 out,but it’s June,it doesn’t matter right?
Isn’t that the mentality of the honey bunch on this blog
Hold your breath and pray the Sox lose tonight.
The Mets don’t need no stinking error to win,and gloat.
They beat you the old fashioned way,with A GREAT ROOKIE PITCHER.Everything you stole yesterday,the Mets got back today.
I may not be right all the time (boring) but,I know the YANKEES.OK LET THE HATE SPEECH BEGIN,I FEEL YOUR PAIN,the truth hurts you guys.
booya!!
It’s a three game series.
I had a feeling we’d lose this one. I thik we’ll win tomorrow. Don’t know why, just a feeling.
K-Rod dealing now…
Melky battling, find a way…
Crosstown rivals win…
“Some people seem to think if they are not winning, they are not trying.
Sometimes you just get beat and it’s not about effort, it’s about being outplayed.”
These guys make millions upon millions. I have no sympathy for “trying.”
Pettitte needs to come clean and tell the manager if his back is really 100% – because these outtings are pitiful. What good is having a starter when he stinks.
GreenBeret7 — regarding Jeter, I never said he was THE TEAM, did I?
Regarding Cano, did you even see the play? He didn’t move. He put his glove down and waited for the ball to roll to him. Brain lock. You could see it in his reaction after the ball finally got to him and then he made his throw with the runner past the bag — stunned. Same kind of play Girardi benched him for last year, when he didn’t dive for a ball he should have. No. Hustle.
Some people seem to think if they are not winning, they are not trying.
Sometimes you just get beat and it’s not about effort, it’s about being outplayed.
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Agreed
They can’t beat good teams
But they look great when they are throwing pies at each other after beating the last place Indians
Mo’sflatcutter, you’re entitled to your opinion and I respect it but your logic seems flawed to me.
They need no error to gloat. However they’d really be gloating w/o the error. True?
Well, I guess reading scouting reports actually work…Boston up 3-0 top of the 1st. Good thing it’s June.
Mosflatcutter — like I said before, the Yanks might not ever win another game and the sun will still come up tomorrow. but you will still be a troll. A weaselly, worthless troll.
Correction: ***He wasn’t THE TEAM***
So Burnett stands between a win or a 1-5 week against out 2 rivals?
Ouch.
Wow. 2 errors is not helping the Bastardo. 5-0 Boston.
Getting into the playoffs is when I’ll worry about beating good teams.
Now I just want to get in.
“Thanks Ironhorse. I thought I was watching the game live!!
Didn’t realize it was already a loss. ”
Just wanted to say hi! I’ve seen enough baseball to know when a team is dead in the water early on. I guess you haven’t.
Please teach me more Ironhorse. You are amazing!!
I thought there might be a chance because the team has come back over 20 times – but you know better!!
When exactly was it over early on? Second inning? Third?
Before the first pitch?
Hard to believe the Yanks are 1-10 against Boston and the Mets. (I’m confused – should I count tomorrow as a loss all ready? You would know better oh wise and brilliant one)
But they didn’t lose yesterday. They won. So there. And in the grand scheme of things it does not matter how they won yesterday.
What does matter, is their rotation seems a mess and their bullpen pays the price and is consequently overworked. Their bats are as cold as can be.
Just as quickly as they cooled off, however, they can heat up. They need AJ to step up big-time tomorrow. Johan can be beaten.
This team is too predictable and playing pathetic right now.. No urgency whatsoever in this team.. This should be a 5 game losing streak actually!
Ack. 3 errors.
5-0 Boston. 3 back? feels like 50.
These loses are on the starting pitchers. Other than Sabathia they all have been horrible in there last starts. They have really taxed the bullpen. The team is always fighting uphill.
Boston putting Philly in their place
The same Philly team that was a Brad Lidge implosion away from sweeping us at home right in the middle of our win streak.
Good times, Good times.
just throwing it out there buttt……
our era when these guys catch:
Posada- 6.46 actually the worst in the mlb from actual everyday catchers
Cervelli- 4.45
Molina- 3.80
We’ve hit a cold streak. Soon we’ll hit a hot streak.
I’m not even ready to call it a cold streak if we win tomorrow.
Formidable ace,
Opposes a pie maker…
Tomorrow’s ticket…
Why does 3 back feel like 50 back? And since when was the Boston game already over?
I don’t get it.
well even though that was a pretty crappy game i saw 3 positives from it :
1. The bullpen only gave up one run in 4 inngs. Yay bullpen!
2. Jose veras actually looks like he might be coming around. Yay Jose Veras!
3. Gardner had 2 hits today. yay Brett!
im going to the game tomorrow, its going to be my 1st time at the new YS, lets take the series!
“Thanks Ironhorse. I thought I was watching the game live!!
Didn’t realize it was already a loss. ”
Just wanted to say hi! I’ve seen enough baseball to know when a team is dead in the water early on. I guess you haven’t.
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Third place by the all-star break.
How can you expect to win consistently when you have the 27th ranked ERA in baseball and only one reliable starter?
You guys are acting like it is some big shock. Look at the results, not the names. This is not 2007 Chien-Ming, 1999 Andy Pettitte, or contract year AJ Burnett. This is not even last year’s Joba who was blowing everyone away with high 90s heat as a STARTER.
As soon as the rotation fixes it self, we will be fine. If it doesn’t, then we’re screwed. Pretty simple. Until then, we’re just going to have to win shoot-outs.
you gotta have faith (i love cisco!), if you have any articles of lucky clothing, wear them.
“Formidable ace,
Opposes a pie maker…
Tomorrow’s ticket…”
Really looking forward to that one
*Mo’sflatcutter, you’re entitled to your opinion and I respect it but your logic seems flawed to me.*
How can any self respecting Yankee fan respect the opinion of a troll that comes and does nothing but throws garbage at the Yankees and gloats?
Splatshutter to quote Trisha
YAWN!!!
Ironhouse
Paychecks don’t play the game, humans do.
Getting caught up in salaries is a small market mentality.
GreenBeret7: “As far as the Cano play, today, he went up the middle on a slow hopper? Are you aware of where he was playing to begin with for a left handed batter? He wasn’t just standing still waiting.”
That left-handed hitter? Luis Castillo. The famous left-handed pull-hitter.
You cannot seriously try to defend that play. That was complete laziness, brainlock, or both by Cano, and it’s not the first time. Not even close.
11th Hour, you’re absolutely right.
Faith in the team depends on whether you think the starting rotation will fix itself.
I do. If other people don’t, fine, just a difference of opinion. But I still see a lot of good w/this team.
Jimmy,
With the way Tampa is playing, I wouldn’t be shocked if we’re in 3rd even sooner than that.
We couldn’t beat Brad Penny and we were smacked around by a depleted Mets team full of reserves.
The great thing is Posada will not be catching tommorow. He will probably be the DH against Santanta.
Doreen – Yes. There record in the standings is pretty good, given the issues they have. But, every team, even the division leaders have issues.
But that doesn’t excuse them.
There is no substitute for a well pitched game, and the starters have to step up in a major way, beginning tomorrow. I know Santana is going, but he’s not as dominant as at the start of the season; and, as we saw yesterday, anything can happen. But what must happen is AJ has to be drop-dead good.
Things can turn on a dime, but you have to do it. Tomorrow’s as good a time as any. AJ, Joba, Andy, and Wang have to get it together. Everyone said, pre-season, that they would be terrific. It’s time to stop reading the press clippings and start delivering.
Stop the excuses, the Yanks have been outplayed on all facets of the game since the BoSox series. The good thing IS it’s June and there is time to right the ship.
wazzup, if you treat him like a troll, you empower him.
Show respect and perhaps the warts fall off the troll.
Am I the only one to notice that our drop off in play (errors, terrible pitching and back to our inability to get runners in) coincides with the return of Posada.
Of course, it can’t be all on him, but I sure don’t see any big upside since his return.
Do not think he is a bad catcher, but, he is definitely not a good catcher unless you add in his bat. Sadly, when he came back he didn’t bring it with him.
Just a thought . . .
I see the bloom is off the Aceves rose
Can we find some reliable arms please?
Philly has 3 errors in 1 inning rofl.
Scorpio, um, we’ve played two games in the BoSox series and won one.
I know it was a lucky win, but clearly we weren’t “outplayed”. After all, the other team had to do worse for us to win.
Phillies fail.
Then again, the Yankees are playing like a third place team.
“These loses are on the starting pitchers. Other than Sabathia they all have been horrible in there last starts. They have really taxed the bullpen. The team is always fighting uphill.”
Papa Smurf, it is also true that when your offense gets only 1 hit in 5 innings (against a scrub off the scrap heap), it puts a helluva lot of pressure on your pitcher to not even make one mistake, as that could cost you the game. It works both ways. If we could, just once, score some runs early in the game and maybe even knock out a bum who the rest of baseball has figured out how to knock out, then it might just make it a lot easier for the pitchers to challenge guys and not nibble. Just sayin’.
Good thing is the upcoming schedule is good for the yankees. The team is struggling and they play Washington, Florida and Atlanta they should beat up on those teams.
“Am I the only one to notice that our drop off in play (errors, terrible pitching and back to our inability to get runners in) coincides with the return of Posada.”
Joel Sherman wrote an article about that exact thing right before Posada came back. And bam, that is when the sloppy play started.
Since when did the Phillies of all teams not have the offense to make a comeback against Dice-K?
Game is far from over.
Send down Berroa and call up Cash. He can call a game.
Dutch Hugo,I know you need to vent,but I was so right on today’s game.I study the players,I don’t player hate.You think I’m against the Yankees,I’m as frustrated as you are with what I’m seeing.Cashman did you wrong not me.
“The team is struggling and they play Washington, Florida and Atlanta they should beat up on those teams.”
They should have beaten up on the Mets team that has nothing aside from Wright, Beltran, Sheffield on the offense and Johan Santana and K-Rod as their pitching.
Didn’t work out too well.
Florida, Atlanta, Washington are filled with pitchers we have never seen
Washington is starting some guys named Mathis, Lannen, and Zimmerman against us. Are they going to fold up like they did today?
I saw after the first inning that this one would be tough to win.
It’s amazing how accurate a read you can get from pitchers after one inning of work.
Bob NJ — the team was playing .800 ball for a month when Posada was out. They were not going to continue that no matter what. If they had, they would have broken the alltime record for wins in a season. Posada has been the catcher on teams that won 114 games and won the world series. He has caught some great pitchers, who have respected the h— out of him. I really don’t think he has forgotten how to call a game or lost that. Blaming him is not right.
Joe from LI -
I think we’re thinking the same way.
I’m simply tired of hearing people discard last night’s win as not as meaningful because it was a gift. That’s patently ridiculous. Yes, it was a “gift.” But it’s not any less valuable because it was a gift. It’s a win. Naturally, it doesn’t take away the problems they’re having.
It would be nice to really turn the page, flip the etch-a-sketch, or whatever, tomorrow. With a cleanly played game with good pitching. I don’t care if they don’t score a lot of runs – I don’t expect them to versus Santana. But if they can score 3, and hold the Mets to 2, while playing a tight game, would that be acceptable to the raging crowd? I hope so.
Many didn’t feel good about the Yankees win last night. Does tonights loss feel better?
Have people looked at this Mets roster?
Forget the cross-town rival BS, they are not a good team. They have one starting pitcher, a good closer, Beltran and Wright. The offense is full of reserves, the bullpen has nobody any good, the rotation is a one-man show.
This is not some great Mets team we are losing to. And if not for a botched pop up, we would be down 0-2 against them facing their ace with our baker on the mound.
vb03, you’re naming a pretty good core of players for us to beat.
We should beat them (you do know it’s a three game series guys?), just saying that them winning is not an incredible seismic event.
Pete has told us to ignore trolls not empower them. If you suck up to splatshutter like you do you empower the fool to keep getting you to your knees and making look stupid.
Don’t ever apologize to a troll for the way the Yankees are playing!
Mosflatcutter — if you are a Yankee fan, you’ve got me and everyone else fooled.
If it looks like a troll, walks like a troll, talks like a troll, smells like a troll, it’s a troll.
Good thing we didn’t step in it.
Dutch Hugo, you are so right.
lol, BJ.
Go back and read through the thread. At least 3 people said the same thing.
How about the Mr. Whipped Cream show some guts and out pitch Santana tomorrow? Would that be too much to ask from our $82 million dollar man?
betsy with the first post was right. i hate it when this 26 year old no name shuts down these expensive hitters. so dissapointing. let’s hope santana pulls a petite
Exactly, Scorpio. Exactly:
“So Boston, whose never seen Bastardo have men on base right from the start. What a novelty.”
RS,
“It’s scary to think that if not for a Castillo error and a blown save by a clearly injured Lidge, the Yankees would be 0-13 against the Mets, Phillies, and Red Sox.”
Pretty pathetic, huh?
Joker,
I think you hit the bullseye:
“What that proves is that we’re not a great team and don’t show up for big games. We beat up on the little sisters of the poor with 1\2 our payroll and talent.
It’s odd because in the past, we always used to beat good teams and falter against the lesser ones. Now the tables have turned.”
Dutch Hugo,
As you say,
“Regarding Cano, did you even see the play? He didn’t move. He put his glove down and waited for the ball to roll to him. Brain lock. You could see it in his reaction after the ball finally got to hi