Oh, it’s on. It’s definitely on
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jun 13, 2009 
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This is getting better by the second.
Joe Girardi said Friday that he thought Brad Penny intentionally threw at Alex Rodriguez when the Red Sox and Yankees played on Thursday. It would seem Penny did not appreciate the comments.
““I don’t give two f—s what Joe Girardi says,” Penny told reporters today in Philadelphia. “I’m coming inside. I don’t care. Anybody can say that. We can say that about the time they hit our guys. I’m just trying to pitch inside. Maybe he should worry about managing and not trying to be the commissioner.
“Why wouldn’t he say that the night before? Don’t wait a day, then say it. He should worry about managing and let the umpire crew do their job.”
What players from other teams will the Yankees criticize tomorrow? Stay tuned.
These feuds are being egged on by the media. It’s just them trying to generate a story and keep their respective newspapers and outlets in business. Alex has been on his best behavior (save for dating Kate “I’ve dated everyone” Hudson) and they need something to write about. The players/managers/owners are stupid for playing into their hands.
I predict I will wake up tomorrow and Tomko will say that Ryan Church showed him up on Friday after hitting the double off him and he showed no class.
Is the point of all of this trash talk to take our minds off of the fact that the Yankees stink right now? Because it ain’t working.
yeesh lol…tag team match? k-rod and penny vs girardi and bruney!
“yeesh lol…tag team match? k-rod and penny vs girardi and bruney!”
Under the O’Neill banner?
Geez, Pete – it was one player (Bruney) who critized K-Rod. I don’t see anything wrong with what Joe said – who cares if Penny wants to flip out?
from previous thread:
Let the players, coaches and owners talk trash to each other. I have no problem with it.
In fact this reminds me of the Dead Ball Era when players used to insult each other all the time. Entire dugouts would be screaming and heckling the pitchers and batters.
Baseball was NOT a gentlemens sport back then. Only as society became more and more sensitive, did this become an issue.
I love it.
lol i’d take girardi and bruney any day of the week.
How about this team stop trying to pick fights with other players, managers, owners and start winning some baseball games?
They have lost 4 of 5, 6 of 10. Take your anger out on the baseball field.
Well atleast Girardi isn’t on Twitter writing about Mark Teixeira curses.
It was clear Penny hit Alex on purpose. After all he tried to hit him with the first pitch and missed, and hit him with the third. Maybe Penny should worry about his own team, and staying healthy and not landing on the dl.
Girardi’s biceps are bigger than Penny’s head
He better be careful who he picks a fight with
Are we going to see a
“MT 0-4 today”
tweet from Mr. Henry?
Egged on by the media?
Please.
Bruney’s comments were not in response to any question. He just decided to say it.
Girardi was asked about Penny in light of Burnett being suspended, a perfectly legitimate query. He decided to make an issue of it. He could have said, “That’s up to MLB, I worry about my own players.” Or whatever.
I think what Joe said is fine. Bruney, too, to be honest with you. But don’t blame the media.
As I said in the last thread, it’s got to be a full moon.
Either that or too much RedBull. It makes some guys eyes flutter and other guys start the war of the words.
“Dr Cox God almighty heaven forbid Dude your funny,I can’t
stop layghing.”
What am I some sort of a clown Here to ammuse you!!!?! How the F am I sooo funny
But seriously bro, if there is a Jeebus, let him protect Mo.
It is inconceivable to think what would happen to this team this year,
What Bruney said was fine. However, it looks pretty funny coming from someone as insignificant as Bruney.
Someone please find out where Hank is. I can’t believe he hasn’t gotten in on the action yet.
He has been way too quiet. He needs to stick up for his team.
Can’t wait for the Yankees to trade for Penny. Think they’ll do a penny for Igawa trade?
It would be worth it to see them kiss and make up. Even though Penny would absolutely suck in pinstripes.
“Bruney’s comments were not in response to any question. He just decided to say it.”
Um, that cannot be so. I read on the game thread in an *ALL CAPS BOLD* declaration that Bruney was opining on K-Rod in response to a question. Generally, things in the internet are accurate.
Has anyone asked Ramiro Pena what he thinks about Youk’s antics? Is Cervelli on the record about Varitek yet?
“I think what Joe said is fine. Bruney, too, to be honest with you. But don’t blame the media.”
Really? The media is an innocent bystander? Tell me, after K-Rod said his comment about Bruney’s initial comment, how long did it take you guys to go running to Bruney with what K-Rod said? My guess is not long. Bruney may have volunteered the original comment, but you guys are the ones who kept it going by acting as the go between for both guys. Reminds me of High School. “Bruney, did you hear what K-Rod said about you?”
In the end, the players are the idiots for keeping it going. Next time, they should just say “No Comment” and be done with it.
This stuff hasn’t been egged on by anyone other than the guys doing the talking. These are very competitive people, some of whom may be frustrated in how things are going for them, who are letting off steam.
How much will this impact actual peformance and play? I guess we’ll see.
We all like to make fun of Penny… but he has more quality starts than anyone on our team (7), including Sabathia (6).
And Boston is trying to trade him! Shows how stacked their rotation is.
Maybe our team should worry about the fact that our starters can’t go more than 5 innings and that we’re playing awful baseball of late.
Although I do enjoy some good smack talk every now and then.
Hopefully Bruney doesn’t get into a fistfight and end up on the DL for the third time.
They are gonna need to build a bigger steel cage under the O’Neill banner for all of these fights.
PPV event of the year.
Tex vs. John Henry
Bruney vs. K-Rod
Girardi vs. Penny
no weapons
fists of fury
the yankees can’t sign the two top pitchers in the free agent market and have an almost 5.00 era almost 40 % into the season without there being problems for the pitching coach.
eiland has to be on the hot seat.
Viper77.
Quality starts may be the most ridiculous modern day MLB stat IMO.
-dennis
Does anyone on this team know what the words “no comment” mean?
Laura:
You can’t be serious. A player from the Yankees spontaneously insults one of the Mets and we should just ignore it?
You really can’t be that naive. That’s not how things work. These are big boys, if they want to say something, they know the consequences. The Yankees did what they did, it had nothing to do with the media.
“Hopefully Bruney doesn’t get into a fistfight and end up on the DL for the third time.”
LMAO. Sadly, he probably will. He has been our replacement for Pavano this year.
“And Boston is trying to trade him!”
Which makes me wonder if the Yankees are trying to put a 3-5 day wrinkle in that plan. Can a suspended player be traded?
“Someone please find out where Hank is. I can’t believe he hasn’t gotten in on the action yet.
He has been way too quiet.”
when ownership and management is this quiet after spending what they spent this past winter, watch out.
Has Angel Berroa commented lately on his arch-rival Ponce de Leon?
When these types of things come up, sometimes it’s a good idea to ask: what would Jeter do?
If Mike Francesa can rip Joba for his fistpump I dont see why Bruney cant be critical about K-Rod over the top antics.
Hard to believe that Colorado and Arizona were in the NLCS 2 years ago.
“when ownership and management is this quiet after spending what they spent this past winter, watch out.”
Hope that means Eliand and Cashman go
Girardi gets a little longer leash, atleast until the end of the year to make the playoffs. But Cash/Eliand need to go now, especially after Eliand thew Wang under the bus
‘Quality starts may be the most ridiculous modern day MLB stat IMO.’
I respectfully disagree. While not as telling as the more modern stats, I think 6IP and 3 or less ER is a good show for a starting pitcher for the AL. Of course, one would expect more. But in all fairness, Penny is billed as the Sox fifth starter.
Which makes that stat, 7QS (Penny- 5th) v. 6QS (Sabathia-1st) a little more troubling.
AJ: Bruney can say whatever he wants, but: is it smart?
The real question is did Jose Veras outing today save him from being DFA when Bruney comes back?
Speaking of it being on, the game resumed in Philly. Bastardo is out. Daisuke is still in.
SK.
I believe 3/6ip is about a 4.50 era. Is that quality? Seems average but I appreciate your response and opinion.
-dennis
Can Pie Man throw a good game tomorrow?
the yanks have to step up and win tomorrow in order to prevent losing 2 series in a row.
plus im going to the game tomorrow and i didnt spend all that money to see them loose!
AJ,
Seriously? K-rod probably doesn’t know who Francessa is.
But anyway, Francessa’s not an active player.
Trash talking and getting into a war of words is stupid. Especially when someone of Bruney’s stature starts it with someone of K-rod’s stature.
AJ: that is a good question. We might need an extra bullpen arm with our starters so crappy and with Hughes taking up a spot to shadow Wang. Veras stays, Berroa goes?
dennis-
From a 5th starter?
I think so.
I wouldn’t want everyone on the staff sporting it. But as it pertains to Penny, I think thats more than I expected from him.
It must be a slow sports news day. *Gossip fest day*.
Pete you guys keep it going,stop jeesh!!
AJ,
i would think its the end of the road for Bombko and Veras gets a little more time to prove he’s not completely useless.
but who knows, this is a team that keeps berroa on the bench for no particular reason whatsoever but take up space.
Since Posada been back the pitching has been lousy. How many times have we’ve seen the pitchers shake him off?
Been happening a lot. Even with Aceves today. And I don’t think it’s a coincidence either.
The team got on a roll without Posada (especially the pitching). He’s been back and they’ve gone down hill.
Cervelli was in there no one shook him off a lot and there were barely any meeting on the mound.
If it wasn’t for Matsui he would be a DH.
Regarding Hank, he has been located:
http://tinyurl.com/4sr8uf
Veras bought himself another week
Tomko needs to go
let molina fransico combo catch next year. posada to full time dh.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see Berroa go for Bruney considering how taxed the bullpen is–they need more arms right now. However, with them going on the road to NL parks soon, they will need another bat for late in games. It doesn’t sound like Nady is going to be back as soon as hoped, and they have taken all the time in the world to call anyone up from AAA due to the 40 man roster nightmare it would create….so, yeah.
SK.
I see your point. However, the term/stat “quality start” is for every starter in MLB. I just think the stat is bogus. Perhaps the stat should just be applied to #’s 4-5 in a given an MLB rotaion.
-dennis
If we lose tomorrow, we would have lost 5 of 6 and 7 of 10
If TB and BOS win tomorrow, then we’re 4 behind Boston (after starting out 1 game ahead at the beginning of the week) and Tampa will be 2 back in the loss of us for the wild card.
I really thought we were too good to falter like this. I thought a slump meant going .500.
“You really can’t be that naive. That’s not how things work. These are big boys, if they want to say something, they know the consequences. The Yankees did what they did, it had nothing to do with the media.”
Pete, I’m many things. Naive isn’t one of them. Like I said, it’s the players fault for keeping this thing going. “No comment” works in a pinch.
MMA – Girardi vs. Penney?
My money’s on Girardi and his (probably) 3% body fat muscle toned bod.
The only other matchup I would pay money to see is Jonathan Broxton vs. Kyle Farnsworth.
A mule against a country hoss, what a match!!!
K-Rod vs. Bruney, what are they gonna do, throw dirt clods at each other?
CC is that extra bat.
Whether or not Bruney was asked, and whether or not we agree with his opinion, it’s never a good idea when players criticize other players to the media. I didn’t like it when other players felt the need to give their opinion of Joba.
As for Girardi, I don’t necessarily think he should have kept his mouth shut on this. You could tell for a while he’s been holding his tongue on some issues. And the situation vis-a-vis Penny, well, the umpires seemed to think Penny was throwing on purpose.
I love my Yankees. But nothing is served by Bruney’s candor. Nothing but fodder for the masses.
Nick in SF, Funny stuff!
NickSF.
Thanks for the laugh on Hank.
-dennis
Hey, Pete, keep the stories coming, beats talking about the Yankees right now.
randy – I would love to know what discussions are taking place about the starting pitching. You’re right, they did not spend that kind of money to get these results. I’d love to know what it is being attributed to. And how they plan on fixing it.
Forget the RISP business. This is the biggest problem. Fix the starting pitching, and everything else will fall into line, I think.
AJ can pitch the game of his life and it may not matter
Santana is on the mound. Regardless what he did against Philly, is the best or 2nd best pitcher in baseball and has a 3.15 career ERA against us. Unless the Mets make a bunch of errors for him like they normally do, we may not score off him.
But AJ better pitch a good game. We’re reeling and we need him to come up big, even in a loss.
dennis-
I agree. Perhaps I should have stated that I don’t mind the QS statistic as it applies to comments regarding 4th/5th starters. I see your point. Its one of those statistics that can be thrown into any argument.
Penny has 7 QS, or an average of 4.5 ERA as you determined.
Joba, for example, could have 4 QS, but have a 0.00ERA.
I wonder if there are enough acronyms to develop statistics for every starter per every inning, per every ball thrown.
The chemistry changed and errors started with Posada’s return.
I like posada ,but the pitchers weren’t this bad before his return.
The Yankees can’t do much worse against Santana than they did today. But Santana does tend to give up HRs and in Yankee Stadium he amy give up a lot.
My pleasure, dennis. I also found a picture of John Henry uptating his Twitter feed:
http://tinyurl.com/mgmryq
Doreen,
I’d like Girardi to have a meeting to settle everyone down. This team appears to be spiralling out of control. As is evidenced by the chirping going on.
I loved what Tex said, but in retrospect what he said could be symptomatic that the clubhouse is not as calm and loose as they were two weeks ago.
Girardi needs to tell the crew to cut out the chirping, and concentrate on playing baseball. They’re playing sloppy ball on offense, defense, and pitching.
Girardi should be the spokesperson for any “messages” that need to be sent. He, from what we’ve seen, doesn’t mind taking bullets for this team.
But he needs to get control of the club. more baseball, less talk from the boys.
One more thing, all you guys talking about the Yankees problems as if the season were already over have either one of two things:
1) Short term memory loss – Marlins were something like 12 games out before the All Star break in 2003, and we all know how that ended up.
2) No concept of baseball history – I remember, among many many others, the 1964 season when the Phillies had a 6 game lead over the Cardinals with 8 or 9 games remaining in the season, and the Cardinals ended up winning the pennant by 1 game. Then they went on to defeat my Yankees in the Series. Booooo!
Anyway, relax, complain all you want, it’s a fan’s right, but don’t go brain-dead on us by declaring the season’s over. Last year, a pretty messed up Yankee squad almost got back into it in September.
never gets old?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yn9-u6w_MI
m,
I agree. All this chirping and anger is not a good sign at all. Don’t know if Girardi is the right one to speak though considering he is right in the middle of it lol
Jeter or someone needs to calm everyone down. Nothing is accomplished by picking fights with other teams.
Nick.
LMAO. Wow. That is hysterical. How did you get GB7 to sit still that long for that shot?
Sk.
I don’t like quality starts as my quality posts on the blog equate to an 13.43 era so I stick up for the less talented.
-dennis
The team is clearly angry, frustrated, and tight.
We all knew that Sox series would have lingering effects. They can’t just dismiss the beating they took and the 8-0 record. Though their horrible play can be traced back to the home Texas series.
You would think yesterday’s game would be the “ice breaking” moment to loosen everyone up, but I guess not.
Nick in SF in Larkspur-
Clever.
Also fake.
Its obvious JH is not remotely close to being that tan.
Or that awesomely equipped with a ‘stache.
denis-
There has to be a way to bend that statistic. Could you take out a a possible sub-par post to boost your average and blame it on bad mechanics?
“I loved what Tex said, but in retrospect what he said could be symptomatic that the clubhouse is not as calm and loose as they were two weeks ago.”
Tex used the Red Sox to get the Yankees where he wanted them to go money-wise. That’s a fact. He didn’t want to go to Boston. He did want to go to the Bronx. Couldn’t do it and get his price w/o dragging Henry into it. Hard to blame Henry for taking such shot, petty as it may be. Tex needs to be a man about it. He knows why Henry did that. Doesn’t make Henry right, but Tex looks like an asshat whining about it. Saying nothing would have been the right course.
joe-
after a red sox sweep, if the mets take two out of three , with the pitching staff in disarray i think we’re on the verge of seeing a change made.
unless there’s a quick turn around with winning, i think it’ll be eiland who’s gone, fair or not fair.
i think wang’s next start is pivotal. if eiland can’t fix him to at least be mediocre, what good is he as a pitching coach ? again that may not be fair, but ownership is going to have to wonder if a coaching change wouldn’t help.
burnett is bad. joba isn’t bad , but his average velocity is way down. the bullpen is a mess. last year the mets got rid of the manager and pitching coach at the same time. i think girardi has a more secure position .
they gave wang an ultimatum of one last start, but in reality he’s not the one on the hot seat. even if he doesn’t pitch the rest of the year and starts fresh next year, he’ll have a job still. not necessarily for the manager and pitching coach.
SK.
Great idea. I need two things to make that happen. Scott Boras and a paper shredder.
Cheers.
-dennis
heads need to roll this off season. starting with the guy who dropped the ball on wang. when he should be rehabbing during the start of the season. they need to hire the best scouts & medical staff and finally they need a gm who can differentiate real gold from fools gold.
Sounds like a guilty man to me
“My pleasure, dennis. I also found a picture of John Henry uptating his Twitter feed:”
nick in sf-
you have it all wrong. that’s gb 7 stealing his neighbor’s wifi si he can get on lohud.
http://www.writers-free-refere.....mputer.jpg
Randy I. ( The Original Tin Cup ) I also think that Eiland could be feeling some heat, but the Wang issue very well cost someone their job….I can’t imagine shaking up the coaching staff this early and they just have had a bad week…..I think if the club can get a few back to back good outings from the staff, then things always pick up…..I still say Cashman has to be proactive in getting help in the pen…..Jim Tracey has the Rockies playing back into wild card contention, but the Padres are players…..Marte has to viewed as a loss and Bruney even if healthy still leaves at least 2 opennings that need to be addressed…..
randy – noted. I’ve read where Dave Eiland is a good guy, bright, hard working, etc. But results are what matters in the end. The question then becomes, who do they go to? Bring back Gator?
See you on the next thread.
randy who do you suggest replace eiland? is the AAA pitching coach any good? maybe we can option eiland to AAA & bring up their coach?
dennis: try posting more when Cervelli catches if you want to better your average.
The -great- Micheal Caine/Sly Stallone/Pele movie “Victory” is on Versus if people are yearning to watch something with a happy ending.
GUYS phllies are within 1 of RS,THE RS haven’t scored since the 1st inning,score 5-4. 1 on base bottom of 4th. Phillies have 1 out
Joe Girardi would put that fat slob Penny in a headlock and wouldnt let go either.
Bruney looks like some type of kkk member and probably had a few bar fights in his day, i wouldnt doubt if he beat K-Rod up and gave him the ol lemonade special afterward!
Still with that being said, Girardi isnt much of a Manager and Bruney isnt much of a bullpen savior as everyone in the Yankees is making him out to be.
We have no pitching, we have no outfield.
While Cano, Cabrera, Veras, Matsui, Chin my Wang are still on this team, we wont GO ANYWHERE and sure his will not WIN ANYTHING.
Also, Posada needs to be a DH, he cant be calling games anymore, Cerveli needs to play everyday with Molina backing him.
Nick Swisher needs to stop jumping like holyfield after his ear was bitten off by Mike Tyson and start catching fly balls and running the bases. GOD do we need Nady back.
Here are some interesting comments about Brad Penny from Larry Bowa, this offseason:
http://www.insidesocal.com/dod.....-reac.html
I had heard he burned bridges in the Dodgers organization, but I didn’t think it was that bad. Guess it’s true.
Bottom line, in August, Pedroia up in the first…plunk.
Wow. Penny put Girardi in his place. Ouch.
Now that the Yankees are playing like a bunch of turds and winning only by the skins of their teeth, I wonder how their team chemistry will hold up?
I hope Pete will give us a sense of what’s going in that locker room.
What a difference a week makes. A shattered pitching staff top to bottom and limited run production.
Somebody has to ignite some fire in this team or it could get ugly even with so many games remaining.
Good thing Penny hit him, if he’d missed hi he’d get a 6-game suspension. The Commissioner wonders why people dislike him.