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		<title>By: Dutch Hugo</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/06/14/game-63-mets-at-yankees/comment-page-27/#comment-854341</link>
		<dc:creator>Dutch Hugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 04:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah, you don&#039;t help your argument when you just MAKE STUFF UP. 

you:
&quot;Opposing runners run on him because they know he has no arm. And is recuperating from surgery.&quot;

the facts:
Posada has a .319 caught stealing rate, which, if he qualified with his games played, would place him at 6th in all of MLB. Yes, Cervelli&#039;s is better at .375, but in a much smaller sample size.

as for your other arguments:

1) Jorge made the error that ended the no errors in 18 games.  WHO CARES? What does this have to do with anything? Everyone makes errors. Or are you seriouisly trying to say that they would have gone the rest of the season without an error? 

3) The Yankees were on a good win streak before he came back. They have lost more games since his return.
THIS IS MAYBE THE DUMBEST ARGUMENT OF ALL. Honestly, did you think they would play .800 baseball the rest of the season? They can&#039;t stay as hot as they were, they are going to lose games. That&#039;s baseball. 

4) It has been known through the years that some pitchers did not want to pitch to him. IT&#039;S BEEN KNOWN THAT SOME PITCHERS ON EVERY TEAM PREFER WORKING WITH VARIOUS CATCHERS. SO? There are also many pitchers who pitched to him over the Yankees championship runs who not only loved pitching to him, they continue to sing his praises. If Cervelli eventually becomes our starter, there will be guys who prefer working with his backup as well. Again, that&#039;s baseball.

5) He is hard headed and doesn’t like the pitchers shaking him off. You watch Boston games and the pitchers will shake off Tek. He doesn’t make a big deal out it.  GUESS WHO THE ABSOLUTE WORST CATCHER IN ALL OF BASEBALL AT THROWING OUT BASE STEALERS IS? YUP, YOUR BUDDY, &#039;TEC. What Yankee fan calls the mincer by his Boston nickname anyway?

As has been pointed out here before, the people who are professionals and are making these decisions know a lot more about this stuff than you, or me, or anyone else posting on some blog. But arguing with someone who just flat out makes stuff up to support their argument is pointless anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah, you don&#8217;t help your argument when you just MAKE STUFF UP. </p>
<p>you:<br />
&#8220;Opposing runners run on him because they know he has no arm. And is recuperating from surgery.&#8221;</p>
<p>the facts:<br />
Posada has a .319 caught stealing rate, which, if he qualified with his games played, would place him at 6th in all of MLB. Yes, Cervelli&#8217;s is better at .375, but in a much smaller sample size.</p>
<p>as for your other arguments:</p>
<p>1) Jorge made the error that ended the no errors in 18 games.  WHO CARES? What does this have to do with anything? Everyone makes errors. Or are you seriouisly trying to say that they would have gone the rest of the season without an error? </p>
<p>3) The Yankees were on a good win streak before he came back. They have lost more games since his return.<br />
THIS IS MAYBE THE DUMBEST ARGUMENT OF ALL. Honestly, did you think they would play .800 baseball the rest of the season? They can&#8217;t stay as hot as they were, they are going to lose games. That&#8217;s baseball. </p>
<p>4) It has been known through the years that some pitchers did not want to pitch to him. IT&#8217;S BEEN KNOWN THAT SOME PITCHERS ON EVERY TEAM PREFER WORKING WITH VARIOUS CATCHERS. SO? There are also many pitchers who pitched to him over the Yankees championship runs who not only loved pitching to him, they continue to sing his praises. If Cervelli eventually becomes our starter, there will be guys who prefer working with his backup as well. Again, that&#8217;s baseball.</p>
<p>5) He is hard headed and doesn’t like the pitchers shaking him off. You watch Boston games and the pitchers will shake off Tek. He doesn’t make a big deal out it.  GUESS WHO THE ABSOLUTE WORST CATCHER IN ALL OF BASEBALL AT THROWING OUT BASE STEALERS IS? YUP, YOUR BUDDY, &#8216;TEC. What Yankee fan calls the mincer by his Boston nickname anyway?</p>
<p>As has been pointed out here before, the people who are professionals and are making these decisions know a lot more about this stuff than you, or me, or anyone else posting on some blog. But arguing with someone who just flat out makes stuff up to support their argument is pointless anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 02:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rconn23 and others: the Yankees didn&#039;t make it to the play offs because they were missing Wang. Fact.  Also had to use Ponson and Rasner as SP. Fact.  Even the great Johnny Bench could not have got the best from those two.

Mussina won 20 games last year NOT pitching to Posada. Fact.

As players age their skills age too.  Lose a step, slow bad speed, a little anxiety.  But how does one measure the skills of an aging catcher in regard to behind the plate.  We are not talking batting now because Jorge still has a good bat.

1)  Jorge made the error that ended the no errors in 18 games.
2)  Opposing runners run on him because they know he has no arm.  And is recuperating from surgery.
3)  The Yankees were on a good win streak before he came back.  They have lost more games since his return.
4)  It has been known through the years that some pitchers did not want to pitch to him.
5)  He is hard headed and doesn&#039;t like the pitchers shaking him off.  You watch Boston games and the pitchers will shake off Tek.  He doesn&#039;t make a big deal out it.

This Yankee team has soooo much potential and to see the rotation falter is disheartening.  If it takes using special catchers, so be it.  Anything to win, right?  Isn&#039;t that the usual thread on these boards.  Win at all costs.

List all of Jorge&#039;s credentials all you want - it is in the past. And good for him.  And isn&#039;t that another thread that runs through this board - forget the past?  No one is denying Jorge&#039;s career, but face it, or man up, he is not the Jorge of old right now.  He can DH with Matsui but limit his catching.  If he doesn&#039;t like it. Tough tee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rconn23 and others: the Yankees didn&#8217;t make it to the play offs because they were missing Wang. Fact.  Also had to use Ponson and Rasner as SP. Fact.  Even the great Johnny Bench could not have got the best from those two.</p>
<p>Mussina won 20 games last year NOT pitching to Posada. Fact.</p>
<p>As players age their skills age too.  Lose a step, slow bad speed, a little anxiety.  But how does one measure the skills of an aging catcher in regard to behind the plate.  We are not talking batting now because Jorge still has a good bat.</p>
<p>1)  Jorge made the error that ended the no errors in 18 games.<br />
2)  Opposing runners run on him because they know he has no arm.  And is recuperating from surgery.<br />
3)  The Yankees were on a good win streak before he came back.  They have lost more games since his return.<br />
4)  It has been known through the years that some pitchers did not want to pitch to him.<br />
5)  He is hard headed and doesn&#8217;t like the pitchers shaking him off.  You watch Boston games and the pitchers will shake off Tek.  He doesn&#8217;t make a big deal out it.</p>
<p>This Yankee team has soooo much potential and to see the rotation falter is disheartening.  If it takes using special catchers, so be it.  Anything to win, right?  Isn&#8217;t that the usual thread on these boards.  Win at all costs.</p>
<p>List all of Jorge&#8217;s credentials all you want &#8211; it is in the past. And good for him.  And isn&#8217;t that another thread that runs through this board &#8211; forget the past?  No one is denying Jorge&#8217;s career, but face it, or man up, he is not the Jorge of old right now.  He can DH with Matsui but limit his catching.  If he doesn&#8217;t like it. Tough tee.</p>
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		<title>By: Dutch Hugo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dutch Hugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rconn23:  
&quot;The beautiful thing about the great catching debate is there is no debate. Posada is a borderline Hall of Fame catcher. Cervelli is a 22-year old kid fresh out of Double AA. End of debate. He’s played well in reserve duty and hopefully he can eventually become the full time backstop in a couple of years. Does Cervelli get the blame for Burnett walking the bases loaded, or just the credit for Burnett getting out of the jam? It’s on Burnett, whatever happens. And that’s all there is to it. And besides, the Yankees staff know they’re not going anywhere this year without Posada in the lineup. Posada was gone last year and in his place – “expert game caller” Jose Molina. How did that work out? No playoffs.&quot;


Facts can be beautiful things. Well put, rconn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rconn23:<br />
&#8220;The beautiful thing about the great catching debate is there is no debate. Posada is a borderline Hall of Fame catcher. Cervelli is a 22-year old kid fresh out of Double AA. End of debate. He’s played well in reserve duty and hopefully he can eventually become the full time backstop in a couple of years. Does Cervelli get the blame for Burnett walking the bases loaded, or just the credit for Burnett getting out of the jam? It’s on Burnett, whatever happens. And that’s all there is to it. And besides, the Yankees staff know they’re not going anywhere this year without Posada in the lineup. Posada was gone last year and in his place – “expert game caller” Jose Molina. How did that work out? No playoffs.&#8221;</p>
<p>Facts can be beautiful things. Well put, rconn.</p>
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		<title>By: Dutch Hugo</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/06/14/game-63-mets-at-yankees/comment-page-27/#comment-853855</link>
		<dc:creator>Dutch Hugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yankee Trader - your post is filled with one-time deductions. Lowe got beat by Baltimore, an AL-East team, so automoatically he sucks. I think we have some pitchers who got pounded by Baltimore once too.

Santana got knocked around TODAY so it&#039;s a good thing we didn&#039;t get him.

It&#039;s a long season. if you keep using that kind of logic you&#039;d be trading or dumping guys every other day based on a single day&#039;s performance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yankee Trader &#8211; your post is filled with one-time deductions. Lowe got beat by Baltimore, an AL-East team, so automoatically he sucks. I think we have some pitchers who got pounded by Baltimore once too.</p>
<p>Santana got knocked around TODAY so it&#8217;s a good thing we didn&#8217;t get him.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a long season. if you keep using that kind of logic you&#8217;d be trading or dumping guys every other day based on a single day&#8217;s performance.</p>
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		<title>By: Thrillington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thrillington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doreen,

Great pictures! What a lovely day for you and your family.

-Percy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doreen,</p>
<p>Great pictures! What a lovely day for you and your family.</p>
<p>-Percy</p>
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		<title>By: Dutch Hugo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dutch Hugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GGGB: &quot;So let’s think about this. Rubber match against cross-town rivals, against a Cy Young winner Santana, AJ not pitching up to potential, offense sputtering with RISP, swept by Boston, nearly lost 2 in a row against said opponent and the manager decides to put a rookie catcher &amp; mediocre bat rather than the GREAT JORGE POSADA. Indictment is on. Posada Truthers beware.&quot;

This sh*t is really getting ridiculous. Have you been watching this season at all? Girardi rests Posada every 3 days by rote. Posada&#039;s no spring chicken anymore, and coming off major shoulder surgery and just came of the dl recently. Give me a break. We have some pitchers who are not performing as well as they should so far (it&#039;s June) so automatically it&#039;s Posada&#039;s fault? Doofus Truthers beware!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GGGB: &#8220;So let’s think about this. Rubber match against cross-town rivals, against a Cy Young winner Santana, AJ not pitching up to potential, offense sputtering with RISP, swept by Boston, nearly lost 2 in a row against said opponent and the manager decides to put a rookie catcher &amp; mediocre bat rather than the GREAT JORGE POSADA. Indictment is on. Posada Truthers beware.&#8221;</p>
<p>This sh*t is really getting ridiculous. Have you been watching this season at all? Girardi rests Posada every 3 days by rote. Posada&#8217;s no spring chicken anymore, and coming off major shoulder surgery and just came of the dl recently. Give me a break. We have some pitchers who are not performing as well as they should so far (it&#8217;s June) so automatically it&#8217;s Posada&#8217;s fault? Doofus Truthers beware!</p>
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		<title>By: Wait till they come to OUR house</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wait till they come to OUR house</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pettite is tied for the team lead with wins, isn&#039;t he?

He&#039;s our number five starter. As long as we win more than we lose when he starts you can&#039;t be too unhappy with him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pettite is tied for the team lead with wins, isn&#8217;t he?</p>
<p>He&#8217;s our number five starter. As long as we win more than we lose when he starts you can&#8217;t be too unhappy with him.</p>
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		<title>By: Wait till they come to OUR house</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wait till they come to OUR house</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah. Okay. I get it. 

No problem then GreenBeret7.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah. Okay. I get it. </p>
<p>No problem then GreenBeret7.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenBeret7</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenBeret7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait till they come to OUR house 
June 14th, 2009 at 5:56 pm 
GreenBeret7, you said he pitched better because he had a large lead right?

That means nothing. He had a large lead in Boston and blew it. Thus flawed logic.




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Well, you&#039;re wrong for the second time, and it&#039;s still not flawed.

I didn&#039;t say about him pitching better with a big lead.  Read it again and comprehend it.  I said the early, big lead gave him a chance to work on other pitches like his change-up.  He broke it out in the 5th inning.



&quot;GreenBeret7 
June 14th, 2009 at 5:17 pm 
That was the advantage that Burnett had that he usually doesn’t have. He got a huge lead, early in the game and he was able to work on his other pitches in a game situation. That’s much better than working on them in side sessions, because he can see the results.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait till they come to OUR house<br />
June 14th, 2009 at 5:56 pm<br />
GreenBeret7, you said he pitched better because he had a large lead right?</p>
<p>That means nothing. He had a large lead in Boston and blew it. Thus flawed logic.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Well, you&#8217;re wrong for the second time, and it&#8217;s still not flawed.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say about him pitching better with a big lead.  Read it again and comprehend it.  I said the early, big lead gave him a chance to work on other pitches like his change-up.  He broke it out in the 5th inning.</p>
<p>&#8220;GreenBeret7<br />
June 14th, 2009 at 5:17 pm<br />
That was the advantage that Burnett had that he usually doesn’t have. He got a huge lead, early in the game and he was able to work on his other pitches in a game situation. That’s much better than working on them in side sessions, because he can see the results.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Yankee Trader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yankee Trader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh Johnson is no slouch either. Pettitte needs to show he can pitch, or give up his slot to Hughes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh Johnson is no slouch either. Pettitte needs to show he can pitch, or give up his slot to Hughes.</p>
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