Gardner day-to-day
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jun 18, 2009 
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Joe Girardi said that Brett Gardner has a headache but is otherwise OK. Sounds like a mild concussion.
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I’m watching the post-game on YES. Joba Chamberlains means well and he’s just rattling off whatever cliche sounds good. But he put 11 runners on base in six innings against the worst team in baseball in a hideous loss. He can’t stand there and talk about he pitched just fine and their hitters did a good job and he was in a good tempo.
Way too much cap-tippin’ and “We’ll get ‘em tomorrow” on this team lately.
thank goodness for that…
and krod blows the save…
Good. He would be a big loss.
I would miss typing GGBG
I look at it this way-
Teams like the Nats don’t have a whole lot to hope for in terms of their season. They gear up to beat the teams that would mean a lot to them. Teams gear up to beat the Yankees. Its a big deal to them. These guys who have nothing to lose and everything to strive for- are going to come out with their A game knowing a major market and many scouts are watching. This is their chance to get noticed. And hello- you are still talking about that guy who pitched last night.
Why reprint was Giradi says? Heck the team doesn’t even bother to hear him, even if he was saying something.
A headache… this management is a headache and so is that new park.
So shouldn’t the Yankees realize that and MATCH their intensity rather than play down to what they think is an inferior team?
They are not a good enough team to where they can just show up and win. Their arrogance/complacency is off the charts. And they wonder why they haven’t won anything meaningful in the playoffs since 04. They think they are better than they really are.
Phew.
At first I thought it was “Girardi day-to-day”.
The Nats are supposed to be the team that makes slumping teams feel good. Twice, for instance, the Mets played them after playing like garbage and they fattened up on the cellar dwellars. That’s just one example. The Yankees could have used this opportunity to pick themselves up and right the ship ….amazing, just amazing, that they didn’t. I don’t buy the idea that the Nats, like so many other lowly teams, upped their game against the Yankees. This isn’t football where better effort and more emotion necessarily lead to better performances, esp. where the pitching is concerned.
I just wonder how even the most cockeyed optimist can be positive after tonight.
I like Girardi, but the team just doesn’t respond to him.
I knew that hiring a manager that played with these guys and so recently removed from playing wouldn’t end well. He just can’t inspire this team.
If you look at it… Girardi’s staple of this team is 3 win streaks. Two of them last year (a 7 and 9 gamer) and this year’s 9 game one. Aside from those, we have been a .500 team basically under Girardi’s watch. We have one peak, and play average baseball the rest of the year. That simply is not going to get it done.
Who is Brian Bruney ? is in K-Rod’s head.
I’m also day to day with a headache after waiting 6 hours for this terrible game.
Glad Brett appears to be ok, but the Yankees had better not give this guy the same treatment that the Mets gave Brian Church (or was it Schneider) if it is a concussion…..
The Nats are supposed to be the team that makes slumping teams feel good. Twice, for instance, the Mets played them after playing like garbage and they fattened up on the cellar dwellars. That’s just one example. The Yankees could have used this opportunity to pick themselves up and right the ship ….amazing, just amazing, that they didn’t. I don’t buy the idea that the Nats, like so many other lowly teams, upped their game against the Yankees. This isn’t football where better effort and more emotion necessarily lead to better performances, esp. where the pitching is concerned.
I just wonder how even the most cockeyed optimist can be positive after tonight.
“At first I thought it was “Girardi day-to-day”.”
He should be. Sadly, Hal probably doesn’t even know the baseball season has started yet.
The Yankee offense is day-to-day.
nm the offense has been put on the dl.
Now tonight’s game, that qualifies as a hideous game Pete.
Someone is going to lose it in that clubhouse and it seems like it may be the manager.
Glad Brett appears to be ok, but the Yankees had better not give this guy the same treatment that the Mets gave Brian Church (or was it Schneider) if it is a concussion…..
The Nats are supposed to be the team that makes slumping teams feel good. Twice, for instance, the Mets played them after playing like garbage and they fattened up on the cellar dwellars. That’s just one example. The Yankees could have used this opportunity to pick themselves up and right the ship ….amazing, just amazing, that they didn’t. I don’t buy the idea that the Nats, like so many other lowly teams, upped their game against the Yankees. This isn’t football where better effort and more emotion necessarily lead to better performances, esp. where the pitching is concerned.
I just wonder how even the most optimimistic person can be positive after tonight.
I agree- they should bring the intensity. I think for the most part they do, but 162 games is a LONG season. You can’t imagine they are beinging the same intensity from the Mets into the Nationals. There is going to be a let down whether you like it or not. Its a 162 game marathon. Teams go through slumps.
The Yankees game into this series with the attitude that they were nothings from Washington that they could roll over and sweep. They hopefully learned a lesson
his head hurt after watching the Yankees offense the last 2 nights…
June 18th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
C’mon OPPC blindfolded losers defend this pathetic team
Try me with your the Yankees faced a team with pitchers who had good stuff bull crap
Cmon now keep spinning your idiocy
Any chance that Boston game gets called an official game?
Joe Girardi said that Brett Gardner has a headache but is otherwise OK. Sounds like a mild concussion.
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Feel better Gardy
I always stick up for Girardi, but sometimes I wonder when we will get that firey, innovative guy we were supposed to get when he signed on for this job.
I think Jerry Manuel has 3 ejections this year. I’d like to see some spark out of Joe. If nothing else, just kick the dirt every once in a while.
Nationals have 25% of their road wins (they had 6 coming in) against the Yankees. Their manager probably gets another week because he beat us.
The worst team in the history of baseball comes into our building and shuts us out. And if not for some defensive miscues, could have swept us.
Team meeting time. Hideous loss.
Joba giving me mini-flashbacks of IPK’s postgame.
“Some of the posts here are unreal. It’s just a game guys.”
You are absolutely right. That’s the reason I pity the people who bought season tickets, spending dollar upon dollar to sit in the rain, to watch millionaires get shut out by the worst pitching staff in the league, when they could have purchased the MLB.TV package, sat in the comfort of their own home, and turned off the game at any time!!
# Betsy June 18th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
I just wonder how even the most optimimistic person can be positive after tonight.
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Try remembering that it’s June 18th, and there are 96 games left. Now try realizing that every team has stretches every season where they look like complete dog poop.
It’s frustrating to sit through, but jumping off ledges is moronic.
Bryan- This OPPC loser would much rather see you drown in your sea of self-pity and misery than come out you with her bull crap
One of those games. Move on, lazy June.
The Yankees were firing on all cylinders for a good stretch. You had to know that they were going to come down to earth at some point. The Nats got lucky in that it happened when they came to town. Baseball is about who you play and when you play them. We are in a bad stretch, but it will pass. This isn’t the end of the world.
Hard to show fire and motivate these $200 million dollar players.
It will work with young teams, but if Girardi goes on a tirade against these guys, it will do more harm than good. Then nobody will even come near him.
now this is up to Girardi to get things moving, and Georgie, he’s the vocal leader, even without the Captain name. No fire in any of them, and as they say, this is why they play the games!
The problem with being fiery is that it means very little coming from a guy like Girardi. The veterans were skeptical of him as it is. It will probably go in one year and out the other— the team will realize that his job is on the line and he is grasping at straws.
They missed the boat on Pinella, that is the guy we needed. Coming from a guy like him, the team will have his attention and get motivated by that.
wonder what Brett G looks like with hair on his head?
“The Yankee offense is day-to-day.”
Yea, but the defense sure was smoking!
The Nats were playing for pride. Also, for their manager’s job.
Stop it Laura, you’re making sense.
You need to cry and moan and call for everyone to be released and fired and for them to wheel George onto the team plane to berate and chastise them the entire flight to Miami.
Brandon!!!!! You beat Cena!!!!!!!!
Was the big, scary wrestler afraid to come out in the rain????
maybe the Nats played like the Sox b/c they were playing for their manager….that does happen…
so….why don’t we put Girardi on the hotseat and see how players respond? j/k
“The Nats were playing for pride. Also, for their manager’s job.”
IMO we just played lazy. But a 5 HR rain delay can do that.
Joba’s problem is the walks not the velocity. He needs to stop walking in runners.
Brett is screaming inside- Stop asking me stupid questions my head is pounding!
“They missed the boat on Pinella, that is the guy we needed. Coming from a guy like him, the team will have his attention and get motivated by that.”
Absolutely not. For the last two years he sounds like he should be on antidepressants, ready to break down at any time.
Thank you Laura!!! That is similar to the point I was trying to make
Look on the bright side we saved Acta’s career.
Didn’t they have a team meeting after the Boston series?
Now a week later, they need another one?
And it’s not like the first team meeting worked… they (should have) lost the next 2 following that. They just caught Santana on an off-day.
We are like the girl with the curl. When we’re going well, we fire on all cylinders. When we don’t, we completely fall apart. They can’t even beat the Nationals at home?
“The Yankees mailed it in for three days and that falls on the manager.”
Here comes the Girardi hatred.
Must be waiting for so long not getting the opportunity to do this.
When Wang stinks it is not Wang’s fault. But, Girardi is at fault for what happened recently. Some consitency will give credibility, but not to this one.
Yankee Trader June 18th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
“They missed the boat on Pinella, that is the guy we needed. Coming from a guy like him, the team will have his attention and get motivated by that.”
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Yep. Just look at how the Cubs are rolling along this season. Plus they were just awesome in the playoffs last year too.
and the Sox got their game under way, losing 2-1 in the 6th, in rain delay now
What did Joba say?
Acta would have been okay. The Mets have been salivating over him for years. They’d dump Manuel for him like he was a hot potato
They need to fire Kevin Long and Dave Eisland. Immediately. The NY Yankees are now offically a punchline. And all you people who say “look at the bright side they are leading the wild-card” etc need to get a grip on reality. This team has a 200MM+ playroll and it cant hit or pitch particularly well. They cant beat scrub pitchers and their pitchers cant get out of the 5th inning for the most part. Guess what- Managers and coaches get fired all the time. The Rockies fired their manager and won 11 in a row. I dont think they should fire Girardi (yet) but someone needs to take a fall and unfortunately you cant fire Andy Petite (who only cares about getting paid). For some reason Kevin Long is deity on here and I dont care what SJ44 says, he and Eisland need to go. And you can call me an idiot all you want, its bound to happen. Its a shame that George Steinbrenner is sitting somewhere staring off into space with an old wool blanket draped over his legs becuase if he was around people might take some pride in the uniform that they out on every night.
And to Jobba- quit reading your press clippings becuase as of right now you are nothing more than average pitcher with a flat 91mph fastball and an overrated slider.
Erica not only did he fear me but apparently he’s scared of the rain too.
Alex is hurting…..I don’t think he’s close to 100% and I feel badly for him because he’s giving his all. He needs some days off, or maybe he needs to see Dr. Phillipi(sorry, forget his exact name). Or……he needs time, having come of major hip surgery. I think we alll dialed our expectations too high – he’s only human, not the bionic man
Where’s Kurt Rodomski when you need him?
Just started reading Juiced, by that “know all” Canseco.
Think K-Rod misses pitching in the American League?
Hope this knocks them down a peg— they are not as good as they thought, not even close. They are 1 game behind the Red hot Angels in the wild card race.
I have a headache with the way this team is playing right now.
“Look on the bright side we saved Acta’s career.”
That’s the only bright side, he doesn’t deserve to be fired.
Everyone else is slumping…….boy, when this team slumps, they all do it together. Doesn’t anyone have the ability to pick each other up?
“Papa Smurf
June 18th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
Joba’s problem is the walks not the velocity. He needs to stop walking in runners.”
Yup, I’m more concern with his pitch location than his velocity.
With that being said, I hope we don’t have to hear anymore talk about Posada being Joba’s problem because what we have here is just another young pitcher stuggling to learn how to be a consistent ML pitcher. This is what happens when you’re trying to develop pitchers with their peaks and valleys performances.
Is Girardi’s job day to day as well? Because fair or not, this team is not playing up to it’s talent level, and it’s time for him to go.
Willie HArris must have the biggest highlight reel in NYC, clutch catch after clutch catch.
would hate to be on the plane to MIA tonite, with them!
How come the entire team slumps at the same time?
When Lester and Beckett sucked, Boston still won games (and swept us). When Ortiz was hitting .100 with no HRs and Youkallis was out of the lineup, they were winning.
Look at the Mutts. Half their team on the DL and they are still competing.
Why do we completely fall apart when we’re in a slump?
“Hope this knocks them down a peg—- they are not as good as they thought, not even close. They are 1 game behind the Red hot Angels in the wild card race”
no they are 1 game up
Wait. We had a young starter who up until the time he hurt his shoulder had a FB that was 96 as a starer and now it’s 92, and it’s not a concern? What?
“They missed the boat on Pinella, that is the guy we needed. Coming from a guy like him, the team will have his attention and get motivated by that.”
Absolutely not. For the last two years he sounds like he should be on antidepressants, ready to break down at any time.
BOB[The Original]- You didn’t read my response to the other post about Piniella. If you had you’d see I agree with you!
Just watching the replay of Harris’ catch. That really was one heck of a play. He went up and out for full vertical and horizontal extension.
“Everyone else is slumping…….boy, when this team slumps, they all do it together. Doesn’t anyone have the ability to pick each other up?”
Not really remember the first game, all Robi, he carried us but fizzled out after that, it’s contagiously scary.
Like last year, take out the hot streak and we are under .500.
This team has yet to demonstrate they can play consistent baseball under Girardi, and I like Girardi.
This team has always been a frontrunning team even under Torre, but not like this. They were never THIS streaky.
Oh look, Pete muckraking, yet again.
Pete apparently doesn’t look at statistics, because, worst team or not, the Nationals have a solid offense (4th best in NL, 10th best in MLB).
3 runs to a decent offense isn’t egregious.
0 runs scored against a mediocre starter and mediocre bullpen is.
Doris,
the only thing that I take offense to: is that Andy on wants to get paid! you’re sadly mistaken hun, you obviously don’t know the guy at all
“Is Girardi’s job day to day as well? Because fair or not, this team is not playing up to it’s talent level, and it’s time for him to go.”
Who do you propose take over? Bob Melvin? Manny Acta? Tony Pena? Bobby Valentine?
“Like last year, take out the hot streak and we are under .500.”
That’s like saying take away her butt and she’s a twig.
“Alex is hurting…..I don’t think he’s close to 100%”
Way I remember it in spring training was that he was not expected back at a 100% til after recovering from the 2nd surgery.
Doris from Rego Park – you’re an idiot.
You’re welcome.
Alex needs some days off- more than one at a time, apparently. If you ask me, Joe asks the players too much what they want. Of course they all want to play, but sometimes a manager has to make an unpalatable decision (to the player) that is in the player’s best interest (as well as the team’s). Joe…….stop asking Alex if he’s ok to play, just sit the poor guy. That said, this might just be how it’s going to be. Major surgery is nothing to sniff at – I doubt he’ll be close to 100% at all this year
“Like last year, take out the hot streak and we are under .500.”
Yes, eliminate all those games they won, and their record is significantly worse! Well done!
“Take out the hot streak”? What does that mean? If you take out the 78′ Yanks second half hot streak they’re not a playoff team. Ditto with the 07′ Yanks.
Other than bullpen management and occassional pinch hitting, there is only so much a manager can do.
This team currently is in a slump and they will come out of it.
If the starters continue to pitch bad for the next week or so, I think they have to make a pitching coach change.
If the Yanks do not make playoffs, Girardi will be gone at the end of the year any way.
Brandon 5 Cena 0 “I’m Brandon and I’m AWESOME !”
June 18th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Erica not only did he fear me but apparently he’s scared of the rain too.
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Maybe he can’t swim.
Denise- I am glad that you agree with everything else though. We can agree to disagree on Pettite (I think he is a selfish, washed-up bum)
I can’t believe how stupid Yankees fans are.
It’s really quite amusing, at this point.
The Nats, aka Rats, have beaten the Yanks 4 out of 6 in the two series they have played – a disgrace!!!
If you take out the 96′ teams 2nd half streak, they are under .500
The team has been in a funk since he Tampa series. I said that they was fortunate to take 2 of 3 against them considering they didn’t play that well.
Obviously it continued against the Sox Mets now Nats.
“Nationals have a solid offense (4th best in NL, 10th best in MLB).”
By what measure? Nats are 10th in the NL in runs scored.
LOL what’s it say about the Mets that they lost two of three to a team that lost two of three from the Nats?
They’ll bounce back, this team is more strong minded and loose than last yr.
maybe I am just wrong.
I thought this team this year would be different. more youth, more power arms, more speed, a little better bench, maybe I am just wrong.
I thought a bench of pena, gardner, a good backup cather and who else would be better then the usual chatacters over the last few years. I thought having gardners speed off the bench and or Melky would be a upgrade. I thought CC, joba, aj, hughes or wang, and pettitte would be a serious upgrade over the last 5 years. How can this pitching staff be so bad. 27th in baseball in ERA, with all those strikeouts???
I thought with the likes of damon, jeter, CF, and texiera they would not be a all or noting offense. With Tex at 1b and either CF I thought the defense would be improved over the latter bernie years and gimabi….
How could i be this wrong???How could this team be so bad with risp? how could they walk so many batters?
To me there 2 glaring weakness is there inability to get hits when it counts and the endless walks there pitching staff gives up. They are 2nd in the league in runs scored, and cannot hit with RISP… They have a good(low BA against) there pitchers but are 27th in era because of the homers and walks.. How can they give up so many homers with so many strikeout pitchers even in this ballpark..
how can this team not be better? They have gotten good contributions from cervelli, pena, gardner and others that were not part of the mix last year at all….
If the team was less talented but just played to there ability at 8 over then no problem but they have more talent.
I do agree Joba does not get it, he is a cliche machine, how is he going to learn to be an ace?? He doesn’t appear to understand things…
just venting after a really ugly series.. the old yanks or present sux(I hate) found ways to win even when they play bad, take 6 innings off, etc.. Why can’t this team do the same???????????
today’s game would’ve been a good one to Dh Alex. But since Jeter was unable to start. I guess that changed that.
We’ll be fine, I think, in the long haul.
But this was a series that you just can’t lose.
Get well soon Brett Gardner!
Maybe his friend has another bracelet for him.
“Stop it Laura, you’re making sense.”
I try.
These “the sky is falling” threads are close to unbearable. I’m going to quit while I’m ahead. Goodnight all.
Maybe someone needs to leave some meth and a bottle of Jack in Jobba’s locker to make him feel more comfortable out there… maybe he misses Nebraska?
did someone call pettite a bum? pettite? Really?
What’s amazing is that regardless of the astronomical payroll, regardless of the free agents they bring in, and regardless of who is managing the team, the pattern has been the same for the last 8+ years: the Yankees never seem to win the games they need to win. While the Yanks are losing two out of three to the worst team in baseball, Boston is on the verge of possibly sweeping Florida, because Florida is the kind of team that they should beat.
For whatever reason, the Yanks just seem to phone it in – a lot. And I will never understand this business of “we haven’t seen this pitcher before’ – that’s what video rooms and pitching coaches are for.
Pete’s right: if this isn’t the low point of the season, it will be scary to see what is.
stuart games like these it’s not even good to make a judgement, b/c it’s quick minded and reactionary. My advice read a book, hear some music, sleep it off later and move on. The one issue I do find concerning is the walks, everything else is fixable.
Tonight Joba walked guys that can’t hit. That’s Posada’s fault. Oh wait, Posada wasn’t catching Joba tonight.
Girardi was Mgr. of the year with the Marlins. They were a young team. Yanks are mostly a veteran team. Is he better suited to a young team?
“By what measure? Nats are 10th in the NL in runs scored.”
By wOBA, a much more predictive statistic than runs scored.
What happened what will happen.
“Like last year, take out the hot streak and we are under .500.”
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If you want to play the idiotic “Take out the ___________” game:
Take out 1903 through 1953 and the Yankees are still better than the Red Sox and Mets….combined.
Trevor, I said the Yankees didn’t play that well against Tampa and people claimed that I (or we, because other people noticed it, too) should just take a win no matter how we get it. Well, the Yankees did not play well no matter how you slice it against Tampa and they played even worse in Boston. Each series afterwards has been seen progressively worse play……
GB&-Haha good stat.
“Gardner is Day To Day”
Aren’t we all?
Betsy-I’m still a “take a win no matter how you slice it” guy. The problem is when you stop winning. A la today.
GB I heard little Manny pitched good in Charleston tonight, details ?
I called Pettite a bum. I think resigning him was a huge mistake and he has picthed poorly this season. I think its 2009, not 1999. I think the Red Sox do a much bette job of parting with the veterans (they treat it like a business and take emotion out of it) than the yankees do.
stuart
June 18th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
maybe I am just wrong.
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Maybe? Only “Maybe”?
Doris from Rego Park-Like Varitek?
“How could i be this wrong???”
stuart
I don’t know but it will make me not trust anything you say in the future because you’ve been so wrong in the past.
Don’t doubt yourself. You and they will be fine.
“By wOBA, a much more predictive statistic than runs scored.”
Not when the runs have already scored it isn’t. Not interested in what they MIGHT be. What they are is the 10th most productive offense in the NL.
That said, don’t much care because pitching wasn’t really the problem for the Yankees. The bats were.
pettite may be a mistake signing but it is a minor mistake. low money 1 year.. what is a worse signing pettitte or aj or arod???
As I said pettitte is a minor minor issue even if he stinks this year….
Baseball is a GAME. There should be emotion involved. I love the sport to death, but sometimes the business aspect of it sickens me.
this team is not the old slow diansaur yankee teams of the last 5 years with no power arms in the rotation or pen…
why do they play like that???
wow only like 90 more game sto play…
Steve B, bats were the problem tonight and last night, the main overall problem this season is walks handed out by this staff, they clear that up & they can destroy the AL.
Doris from Rego Park ,
The Yankees held out until Pettitte agreed to accept their $5.5mil offer. He recieved Brad Penny money, not CC Sabathia money. Pettitte was signed to be a 5th starter. He’s 6 -3 with a 4.52 ERA and there’s only 20 pitchers in AL with more innings pitched. Andy Pettitte is what he is.. a 5th starter. He’s paid as such and compares favorably to any other team’s 5th starter.
Wait- Pettite has been awful this season. Ill give you Varitek though
“Wait- Pettite has been awful this season. Ill give you Varitek though”
We could trade for Zach Duke. If that’ll make you feel better.
Drive 4-5
June 18th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
Doris from Rego Park ,
The Yankees held out until Pettitte agreed to accept their $5.5mil offer. He recieved Brad Penny money, not CC Sabathia money. Pettitte was signed to be a 5th starter. He’s 6 -3 with a 4.52 ERA and there’s only 20 pitchers in AL with more innings pitched. Andy Pettitte is what he is.. a 5th starter. He’s paid as such and compares favorably to any other team’s 5th starter.
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What will his final 2009 salary be if he makes 25 starts and has a 5+ ERA?
Brandon 5 Cena 0 “I’m Brandon and I’m AWESOME !”
June 18th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
GB I heard little Manny pitched good in Charleston tonight, details ?
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He lost, but, 6 innings, 4 hits 2 runs, 1 unearned, 0 walks, 3 strikeouts, 1 WP. His control has been outstanding for an 19 year old. 14 walks and 58 strikeouts in 61 innings.
that’s 27 walks in 103 innings, with 95 strikeouts.
Keep in mind, he didn’t turn 19 until March.
No offense, bad defense and bad base running.
Drive 4-5
June 18th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
Doris from Rego Park ,
The Yankees held out until Pettitte agreed to accept their $5.5mil offer. He recieved Brad Penny money, not CC Sabathia money. Pettitte was signed to be a 5th starter. He’s 6 -3 with a 4.52 ERA and there’s only 20 pitchers in AL with more innings pitched. Andy Pettitte is what he is.. a 5th starter. He’s paid as such and compares favorably to any other team’s 5th starter.
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What will his final 2009 salary be if he makes 25 starts and has a 5+ ERA?
Let me answer for you- $12MM. $12MM for a 5th starter with a 5+ ERA
Doris Freom Rego Park,
If his next 12 starts are as “bad” as his previous 12 starts he would be 12 – 6 and would be worth the bonus.
Doris from Rego Park
” $12MM for a 5th starter with a 5+ ERA”
The REd Sox have invested a total of $17mil in DiceK this year and he could be headed to the minors. That’s a lot worse.
I thought Pettite was the 4th starter and Joba the 5th.
Drive- What do the Red Sox have to do with the Yankees paying an ineffective Andy Pettite $12MM? No team is immune from bad decisions, are they?
Drive- I am not bringing up Kei Igawa becuase its not salient
Joba needs to throw strikes. He doesn’t give up that many hits but his walks are hurting him.
Andy Pettitte has pitched exactly two fewer innings than Josh Beckett and only 1/3 of an inning fewer than Tim Wakefield. Pettitte’s a 5th starter and his stats would actually make him better than just about any team’s 5th starter. My god, he’s he’s 6-3 with a 4.52 ERA pitching in a league where the average ERA is 4.42.
Save your rage for Joba. He far more deserving.
Watching this team over the last few weeks, I wonder if a substantial part of the problem isn’t a psychological one. I can’t shake the feeling that the players on this team don’t trust one another to get their jobs done. The starting pitchers are worried about the bullpen, so they think they have to be overly fine and give too many walks. The offense doesn’t expect the next guy in the lineup to get the job done, so they have to hit as many bombs as they can. (You can’t get stranded if you bat yourself in.) There isn’t a sense of “We can do this”; it’s all “I have to do this now or else.” The injuries to various players (A-Rod, Posada, Wang, etc.) don’t help instill confidence, either–there’s always a nagging doubt that they’re not quite back to their normal selves, exacerbating the problem.
Chemistry may be overrated; throwing pies and playing music in the clubhouse won’t win a championship. However, I think that players, especially when going through rough patches, have to have faith not only in their own abilities, but in the abilities of their teammates. Right now, I just don’t see that, and I don’t think things will get much better until they find it.
Joba the nibbler is driving me nuts. Constantly throwing off speed stuff when your ahead in the count is nuts. You’ve got a mid-90s fastball. USE IT.
Drive 4-5
June 18th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Andy Pettitte has pitched exactly two fewer innings than Josh Beckett and only 1/3 of an inning fewer than Tim Wakefield. Pettitte’s a 5th starter and his stats would actually make him better than just about any team’s 5th starter. My god, he’s he’s 6-3 with a 4.52 ERA pitching in a league where the average ERA is 4.42.
Save your rage for Joba. He far more deserving.
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Touche
Yanks 172
June 18th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Like last year, take out the hot streak and we are under .500.
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Obviously if you take away wins…the winning percentage gets lower.
This is an assinine point you are trying to make.
Put Joba back to the pen where he belongs. This experiment has gone on too long, and now it’s impacting Hughes, and Wang.
i agree with those who say that risking all our players just to play the stupid nationals today was absolutely dumb. who cares if we get three games in against hte nats?? seriously.
also, i really don’t see why it’s so embarrassing or ominous that we lost 2 of 3 to the nats. yeah, ok, i understand if your a fan and you go the game and you’re disapointed and frustrated. but i don’t understand being a professional sports writer and passing this type of nonsense off as an objective opinion.
the team has the right attitude. that makes me optimistic. pete does not however have the attituted of a professional when they lose.
This was the Nats World Series. It was also their players auditioning for the Yankees, in hopes of a trade.
I can’t watch any post – game because it’s all bs. Rarley does a player or a coach speack the truth during these interviews.
Boy even *the worst lose still keeps people locked in*
*excuse mode.* Joe had better find away for the batters and
the pitcher’s to strike at the same time.
CC give up 3 or more runs and wins or loses base off run support. *If Joba had any run support he would’ve won* the game.He held them to 3 runs.
The last thing *making up excuses will do,is put you in a* *false state* as to how the Yankees are falling short early IN THE SEASON.THE SECOND HALF IS MORE INTENSE and will not get easy.
Unless the pitching and hitting turns around,3rd place or lower is the outcome.
*The team has just quit all at the same time,that’s* *coaching* .
*Waiting for the another team to lose,in order to keep a* *ranking is foul.*
As long as the *players aren’t held accountable* for what
they were hired in for,and KNOW THE *OWNERSHIP will open* the *wallet,(like any bad parent that just keeps buying* *their kids OUT OF TROUBLE)* the players need a firm handed older mgr that holds them to the fire for non contributions,PERIOD.
The *Yankees are spoiled and need a quick kick in* the *butt* ,for their play. *Arod is a drain to watch.*Yet the *Yankees owners and,fans keep waiting for a miracle from* *him to come to life, he’s an over blown juiced up (stats)* *player* .He’s not performing because he needs the PED’S,that he can’t use.we’re *STUCK WITH HIM!*
*AS A FAN,BEING THE LAUGHINGSTOCK OF BASEBALL,is PAIN FULL.*
*You can talk Trash about the NATS,BUT THEY LEAVE HERE WITH* *three things.*
*BRAGGING RIGHTS,and WON 2/3 AGAINST THE NY YANKEES*.
*They beat them with rookie pitchers.*
*They did in Yankee stadium.*
Yankees fans stop sweeping the loses under the rug,as no big deal. HOW BLIND OF YOU TO DO SO.
Wang pitched worse than Joba and the ultimate result was that they both lost.
I fail to see why Joba gets the needles, while Wang has gotten the praise.
Granted, Joba’s attitude towards Posada was worrisome, but that has nothing to do with whether Joba or Wang pitched well.
That’s not to say that Wang should be pulled from the rotation. But i you’re saying Joba pitched poorly against the Nationals, then Wang should go to the bullpen.
Doris from Rego Park said:
“Save your rage for Joba. He far more deserving.”
I’d prefer people to settle down as Joba and Wang will get their chance to pitch themselves out of the rotation.
However, if you want to save your rage for anyone, save your rage for Wang. He’s been the worst of the rotation and all I see is a bunch of people making excuses for him by pointing fingers in other directions, including Joba’s (who pitched better against the Nats, has an under 4 ERA, more innings and better…well everything)
Must make a point: Joba was pitching againts a pretty good hitting team. The Nats are the worst because they have awful pitching (esp, in the pen), awful defense, and are about the slowest teams in history.
“Way too much cap-tippin’ and “We’ll get ‘em tomorrow” on this team lately.”
A — FRICKING — MEN!!!!! That’s the worst trait of this team….someone needs to go ‘Lou Pinella’ in the clubhouse. It’s called EMOTION. Someone wrote yesterday –’you guys treat every game like its game 7!! Ummm — yes — that’s how EVERY game is SUPPOSSED to be played. Instead — we get the ‘Long season HO HUM treatment’.