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Hopefully, it’s delayed some, so I can watch some of the game. I have work from 11-6.
Well, if it gets rained out, at least I won’t have to listen to Suzy and John “baseball is a weird game” Sterling at work. Like nails on a chalk board.
So unfair. This weather is awful. Why make ticket holders suffer through this! Can they play in boats??
I dont know if i should head down to the game. 20 dollars for a train ticket. any advice?
Mike- how long is your train ride? I would hold off on leaving as long as possible
Dr. Cox June 18th, 2009 at 10:33 am
“I’ve got news for you. Yankee fans are not entitled to championships despite what you may think.”
Who THINKS that?? Want?? Yes. Entitlement. No.
You’re kind of insane today.
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I’m insane?
Uh, not exactly.
I’m not the guy who says the Yanks have to “atone” for what happened in 2004.
What the hell does that mean?
I’m also not the guy advocating for a bunt by a guy who probably doesn’t even know how to bunt.
Pena, Gardner, and Molina all know how to bunt because we’ve seen them bunt this season. They are below average major league hitters.
None of us have ever seen Cano bunt in a major league game so it’s preposterous to advocate a specific strategy when we have no idea if he could even execute it.
Bunting a 97 MPH fastball is not easy to do even for well established bunters, so asking a guy who hasn’t bunted in years to do so is an asinine suggestion.
Aww pooor ticket holders.
Man up.
I sat through 3 or 4 rainy day games and its actually quite fun.
They need to get this game in.
If they fill the stadium with water and issue the players snorkels, it just might cut down on the HR total.
They have to get this game in today.
They’ve had two rainouts this season already which means they have to makeup those games on scheduled off days during the dog days of summer.
They just had the day off on Monday. They don’t need another one today.
if the game gets rained out – hopefully they won’t reschedule for next monday – they would be facing lannan again – and it would mean lannan won’t face the redsox on tuesday…thats a lose-lose….(although i somehow think the redsox will hand lannan his lunch come tuesday – hope i’m wrong)
Oh, very good.
Let’s put our Lamborghini future ace on a slippery mound and let our multi-million dollar asset with an impaired hip slosh around at 3B.
In my day, you never played in a downpour.
It’s already cost us a Jorge DL stay due to rain-induced hamstring pull (Red Sox lost Youkilis from that series for a time), and Melky’s LH swing has been awkward ever since that collision with the wall in that Texas downpour.
Where’s the Players’ Union in all this? I would never allow MLB to put my guys on the field in these conditions.
You mean to tell me we can’t schedule a contingency date and only play the game if it has standings relevance, at the end of the year? It’s not as if the Nationals play on the West Coast.
You’ll not see me making the trek to the Bronx today.
I can’t beleive all the idiots that were ripping Arod for drawing that walk in the 9th inning last night. Would some of you rather he had swung at a pitch out of the zone and struck out? He got the walk and kept the line moving. One poster said by walking he set up the DP. Inbeleivable!. Tell you the truth, I was releived when he walked, cause I thought for sure he would strike out in that spot. had much more faith in Cano up there. Cano battled, put together a great at bat. Hit the ball sharply, but just happened to hit it right at Guzman for the DP. Thats baseball! Can’t guide the ball. This is why Yankee fans are so hated around baseball. Alot of them are spoiled brats! Always whining.
I like this idea about giving Pettite some extra rest and giving hughes a shot for a bit. dont older players tend to benefit from more rest? pitchers need regular schedules but isn’t there some way to limit his innings and give hughes a shot?
“Bunting a 97 MPH fastball is not easy to do even for well established bunters, so asking a guy who hasn’t bunted in years to do so is an asinine suggestion.”
You are just attacking people for the sake of attacking people.
Ir is not that ridiculous for a baseball player to know how to bunt. Maybe its wishful thinking, I dont know, but I would hope a proessional baseball player would know one of the most basic parts of the game that they teach you at the earliest possible age. A bunt is a bunt. Every player should know how to do it.
Ive seen Giambi bunt, Bonds but, Ortiz, PUJOLS..
Im sure Babe Ruth put down a bunt or two in his career. But I gues Robinson Cano is the exception.
What a joke. Just play the game at the end of the year if it means anything. If it doesn’t, forget it….. Is it really worth it to try and play in this lousy weather? Sheesh, Yankees.
the Yankees next Monday will be in Atlanta…They travel from Miami on Sunday…No way will they make them go from Miami to NY for one game and then on to Atlanta…
I’m sure the Nationals come back to NY for the METS later on…maybe they can find a date then.
I just walked from the Fordham Rd subway station to my apartment.
I know I needed a shower, but this is ridiculous.
So soaked I need to change all of my clothes just to dry off!
I just read the story about Sosa being the 2nd outed from the list of 104. What does everyone think of this idea? They are eventually going to out the rest of them why not publicize the fact that they will determine who gets outed next by milestone. What I mean is the next time a tainted player makes a milestone (like IRod breaking Fiske’s record) they will time their outing to coincide with the record and the announcement that their record will be given an asterisk denoting “achieved during the steroid era”. Of course that will never happen but that, to me, would be just desserts and would really be the kind of embarrassment the current players need to keep off the stuff.
“If they fill the stadium with water and issue the players snorkels, it just might cut down on the HR total.”
The haters will still complain about the strong currents…
now we’re complaining about the Yankees wanting to try and get the game in…what is the matter with you people?!
The Ghost -
I actually agree with that thought. That the names will be linked to coincide with milestones, etc. Drip, drip, drip.
I think it’s reprehensible.
I don’t like the fact that PEDs were (and possible are) so pervasive. However, those records were supposed to be confidential and sealed. I’m at a loss as to how the disclosures can happen without someone being disciplined.
Wow, the thread comments this morning have been really tough.
I wouldn’t have bunted with Cano, because he’s not a very good bunter. But if he were a good bunter (and I agree with Dr. Cox and the Scooter that all players ought to be able to bunt), then the safety squeeze would have been a good play, except that we had used a big chunk of our bullpen already to play for the tie.
Next, to all those saying what a great hitter Cano is, he is, when the bases are empty. With runners on, he’s not so great. This year, his career, almost every year, same story.
Finally, it now seems some commenters believe you have to be able to hit a 95 MPH fastball in order to post a comment.
Confession- I could hit a high school fastball, but my main failing was I couldn’t hit it very far. Also, I couldn’t hit a good curve ball well at all. However, I had a very slick glove for a high school infielder.
Is it OK if I continue to post comments?
The Ghost, I don’t know what is better/worse…the names trickling out one at a time or the whole list coming at once…I’m guessing there are a few people (mysterious lawyers in this case) who know every name on that list and the majority will come out at one time or another.
“Patrick – you’d have a point if Cano hit a DP swinging at a terrible pitch, but he didn’t so you don’t. Try the Cashman angle instead. ”
Sorry but you’re wrong actually. The pitch he put into play was low and outside. Not only that, he fouled off 3 other definite balls and 3 more that were borderline. Go look at gameday if you don’t believe me.
Here is a pic shamelessly ripped from my other favorite sports discussion board.
http://img.waffleimages.com/de.....g#via=salr
That shows Robbie’s at-bat and where the pitches were.
Wave Your Hat…with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs Cano was like 10 for 14 before last night…Cano had a great AB last night fighting off a ton of pitches…in most cases I’ve seen that results in a good hit but the ball didn’t bounce that way last night…even if Cano can bunt last night was not the situation for that IMO (to emphasize that is my opinion and does not trump anyone elses…it’s just mine)
So gross outside.
Let me try that again:
http://img.waffleimages.com/de.....d/cano.jpg
God, this is real annoying. I took off today for the game. Have dinner with my girlfriend’s parts at 7. Definitely conflicted here. Effing rain.
haha parts-parents
From the Previous thread, what are the next round of excuses going to be that Wang should get another start when he gets rocked in Atlanta?
Bummer I guess lohud hates waffleimages
JohnC
June 18th, 2009 at 10:50 am
I can’t beleive all the idiots that were ripping Arod for drawing that walk in the 9th inning last night. Would some of you rather he had swung at a pitch out of the zone and struck out? He got the walk and kept the line moving. One poster said by walking he set up the DP. Inbeleivable!. Tell you the truth, I was releived when he walked, cause I thought for sure he would strike out in that spot. had much more faith in Cano up there. Cano battled, put together a great at bat. Hit the ball sharply, but just happened to hit it right at Guzman for the DP. Thats baseball! Can’t guide the ball. This is why Yankee fans are so hated around baseball. Alot of them are spoiled brats! Always whining.
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I was going to post about this myself.
I am fed up with these AROD BOO BIRDS.
What a group of losers they are. They betray a total lack of understanding for baseball, and their high-jacked self-inflation at the player’s expense is to be pitied.
No real fan is booing this guy; you can see him laboring and his mobility hampered is visible.
Really – these people are an embarrassment to themselves.
If you are booing Alex Rodriguez, coming back from an injury, then you are a brainless little rodent who has allowed mediots to poke you with a stick and elicit a “boo” response.
People with low IQs being led by people with low IQs – why am I not surprised.
Not surprised, but disgusted, nonetheless.
“Is it OK if I continue to post comments?”
Sorry, but I don’t think so. Couldn’t hit a curve ball?? Where’s your credibility then?? From what I hear, lot of the guys who couldn’t hit curves post over at RAB.
anyone know what the whether is doing at Bethpage?
I think they should just list all 102 names now. I have no doubts they will all come out eventually anyway. Lets just get it over with and move on with our lives so we can all stop being “shocked” at the names listed one by one
*Have dinner with my girlfriend’s parts at 7.*
Is this cool, new slang?? I like it. I’m having dinner with my girlfriend’s parts too! Just me and her parts…
Why is it a certainty that Wang is going to get rocked in Atlanta? Turner Field is a good pitcher’s park, and the Braves’ lineup isn’t exactly Murderer’s Row. I look for Wang to build on his start last night and pitch well again on Tuesday.
They’re only saying they’re going to try and get it in so that people still show up and buy concessions. They do this every time.
Hokiehill-
Well, if you want to get specific, with runners on 1st and 3rd this Cano has an OBP of .300 and a SLG of .300 for a sterling OPS of .600.
With men on 3rd and less than 2 out this year, he has an OBP of .267 and a SLG of .417, for an almost equally impressive OPS of .684.
Sure, looks like 10 of 14 to me…
I think they will play the game. Problem is it will be a 7 hour ordeal. Not fun.
Hokiehill the US Open is in a rain delay right now.
Bobby Jenks is available ( Chicago Tribune, SI.com)
Cashman get on the phone !
thoughts on last nights game:
1) it seems pena plays better both on defense and offense when he comes in late in a game instead of starting a game
2) i know they’re professionals and you can’t dictate when to swing or not but hell can you at least take a few pitches – (matsui, swisher, et al)
3) if you’re going to let gardner steal 2nd AND 3rd – wouldn’t it mean you are playing “small ball” and if thats the case then wouldn’t a bunt be the correct call there? say all you want about having your best hitters up there but if you’re going to take a huge risk and try to steal 3rd then you have to continue the trend….if you want to keep the bat in your best hitters hands then you steal 2nd but not third…and yes all you need is a sac fly but i would think bunting a ball is easier than attempting to hit a fly ball..additionally if you now have runners on 1st and 3rd with 1 out you should send the runner at first for 2 reasons – 1) it doesn’t matter if he actually steals second what does matter is that if the throw goes through to second then your fast runner at 3rd has a chance to steal home and 2) if they don’t throw to second you now stay out of the double play AND still have your “hottest” hitter at bat…..
thats what small ball is – if you take the plunge and decide to play small ball with steals of 2nd and 3rd then you have to stay committed to that and not go back to “letting your big hitters hit” letting their big hitters hit usually means a strikeout, a pop up to second or a DP…
i know there are dummies and bridge jumpers posting on here – but if you go back to teh game thread all you say is “OH God please no DP here” or “here comes the DP” – as stupid and moronic as that is they are usually right – if a moron or bridge jumper can see it (the DP coming) then maybe they aren’t as moronic as everyone thinks they are..
After thinking about it for a moment…the trickle of names from the list may actually be better…I mean think how little everyone was suprised with Manny and especially with Sosa…we’ll get to about the 10th guy on the list and everyone will be so numb to it that no one will care who the other 94 guys are. Honestly we probably can guess with 98% accuracy who about 10-15 of the players are anyway…the only damage that can really be done at this point is if guys like Jeter are on the list.
“anyone know what the whether is doing at Bethpage?”
You wondering whether the weather is good enough to play?
Considering the slump ARod is in, I thought he had a great AB last night to work the walk. I don’t understand the criticism at all.
No Jeter again today….Wang will start against Atlanta according to what Joe Beningo just said on WFAN
Wave…10 of 14 is the stat the Nationals coverage posted…your stats certainly don’t support that so I guess I’m wrong there…a still like Cano to swing in that spot based on how his bat has been going over the past couple of games…I would have prefered a steal from A-Rod in that situation but can understand the hip is less than 100%…we were somewhat handcuffed in that regard with Pena in for Jeter and Gardner already in for Tex…would be nice if someone other than Berroa had been available to come in and run…
Steve, I got the reponse I needed…play delayed. I thought that might be the case since my live leaderboard stopped updating.
I am about 5 miles from Bethpage. Its seriously pouring here
“Considering the slump ARod is in, I thought he had a great AB last night to work the walk. I don’t understand the criticism at all”
babe ruth would’ve been proud
Yes, I think every fan of baseball can agree that if Jeter’s name is in fact on that list it should be as closely guarded as the Presidential launch codes and the recipe for Coca Cola. The fallout would be worse than when Shoeless Joe was caught fixing games.
As much as I would love to agree with everyone, I can’t see Cano bunting unless it is a safety squeeze play because he is left handed and the catcher has a full view of Gardner on 3rd. Cano had a great at bat even if you thought he swung at some borderline pitches. As Pete pointed out perhaps ARod was sore and couldn’t steal easily. But a hit and run would have been a good option too, but with Joe G’s luck as Coaching Cano would have hit a line drive DP.
Of all the scenarios, a hit & run would have been a great option with Gardner gettin a very big lead at 3rd in case a throw went to 2b to head home with his speed.
play is suspended at bethpage
hokiehill
I’m waiting for the BBWA to vote someone into the HOF and then the name to be leaked that they are on the list.
Players who retired shortly after that survey test will be coming up for vote in the next year or 2.
I truly believe that Jeter did no such thing. I think whatever chance Rivera is on the list- the fallout will be much worse if that reality ever happened
i’m sorry, but you don’t ask someone to bunt off a guy that throws 97mph, the odds of getting it down, and not popping it right at the pitcher are stupidly low. unless you are a guy that is practicing bunting all the time because you don’t play regularly, you aren’t getting that bunt down.
“I think they will play the game. Problem is it will be a 7 hour ordeal. Not fun.”
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Rain is actually supposed to clear by this evening. Wish they could just push it to a night game. But I guess with travel plans for both teams thats not possible.
i didn’t watch last night’s game (or the highlights), but this cano-bunt conversation is interesting. one thing that kind of annoys me about cano sometimes is how often he gets a sac without bunting. i have no idea what hte stats are so i could be dead wrong, but it always seems like in key spots he either lines out to the warning track or bunts without bunting (is this called a rollover? he seems to have it mastered). i guess it isn’t really that terrible of a trait.
I don’t understand why everyone is so down on the hit and run with Cano? He hasn’t struck out nearly as much this year as he’s done in the past and the chances of the Nationals throwing through in case Cano didn’t connect were very low considering who was on third. The only downside to the hit and run is a line drive but I think the percentage of hitting a line drive right at someone is much lower than hitting a ground ball isn’t it? The hit and run is such a valuable tool and the Yankees have a lot of great contact hitters, I don’t think Girardi uses it as much as he could.
know there are dummies and bridge jumpers posting on here – but if you go back to teh game thread all you say is “OH God please no DP here” or “here comes the DP” – as stupid and moronic as that is they are usually right – if a moron or bridge jumper can see it (the DP coming) then maybe they aren’t as moronic as everyone thinks they are..
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I’m already regretting this, but a DP is always a possibility w/a man on first and less than 2 outs.
The possibility increases when a guy is throwing a pitch with sink on it.
Pitchers, it seems, actually walk batters to SET UP a potential DP.
That’s right – it’s even a strategy, and sometimes, it even works.
Cano is NOT going to bunt. He had a good at bat. You can argue that he may have elected to watch that last pitch go by, but he swung at it. It was low and outside, but it wasn’t so far out that he had no shot to get it out of the infield.
Cano has a history of lifting far more ridiculous pitches into left field.
The fact is, he didn’t get it out of the infield, and it resulted in a game-ending double play.
As a sage once said: “Oh, well.”
Having Cano bunt there would have been a ridiculous move. Anyone that thinks he should have bunted just doesn’t know baseball that well.
Cano didn’t do his job (take the walk damnit!), it’s unfortunate but there’s no point in angsting about it.
I’d be curious since this has been such a discussion with the Yankees lately…what the stats are for other teams (in our division at least) who face a pitcher for the first time…
Actually bunting on a 97 mph pitcher is easier than hitting a fly ball against him. MacDougal usually pitches low in the zone too, but as I said earlier Cano bunting would not been a good call for a squeeze play because he hits lefthanded. But a safety squeeze with Gardner getting a big lead might have worked if he got the bunt down. The percentage play was a hit and run for ARod or a straight steal of 2B.
Patrick-
If David Eckstein had been at the plate instead of Cano, do you still think the safety squeeze would have been a dumb play?
Or, to put it another way, do you object to the bunt, or the bunter?
the bottom line with the Cano situation is that there were several options to take with the circumstances…let cano swing away, bunt cano with arod and gardner running, A-Rod steal 2nd, hit and run, etc…letting Cano swing away would be considered a genious move today if it had worked out differently…on the other hand any one of the other options would be considered just as stupid or wrong today if the hit and run result in a DP, A-Rod had been caught stealing, etc…this game would be a lot easier if we could have do overs but unfortunately that’s not reality. never-the-less the discussion will and should continue because this is a discussion board that exists so that we can debate topics such as this.
not Patrick but I object to the bunter as opposed to the bunt…if that had been cervelli or pena at bat I would have expected the bunt moreso than with Cano
to that effect, if the lineup was different but you still had A_Rod on 1st, Gardner on 3rd but Tex at the plate, would you have Tex bunt?
“From what I hear, lot of the guys who couldn’t hit curves post over at RAB.”
I think its the pointy heads. The helmet doesn’t sit comfortably on the head and it distracts when the curve is thrown. It could also be the thick eyeglasses, makes it hard to pick up the rotation on the ball. Or maybe even the curve is thrown too fast to really allow successful use of the pocket calculater to estimate the parabolic curve…
I bet Tex is a great bunter, just has never been asked.
Hokiehill-
Last night, in that situation, no I wouldn’t. The tie would not have been good for us because at that point our best relievers, other than Mo, had been used and the pen was depleted. With Tex especially, I would have played for the win.
If we had more available relievers, and if a good bunter is at the plate, then otherwise yes I would have bunted because I think in extra innings we would have had the edge then.
How soon do they annonce if the game is postponed or called off how do I find out I dont want to make the trip all for nothing and will i loose my tickets that i bought for the game today :anybody???????????????????????
Here’s the thing about having a power hitter that bunts from time to time – it forces the corner infielder to have to be honest in bunting situations. That makes him have to take 4 or 5 steps in which can be the difference between an out and a 2 run double. It also takes away any thought of a Giambi/Bonds type shift being employed. The bunt is an extremely useful long term mental tool that too many managers have abandoned because it too rarely gives the desired immediate results. The season is 162 games, teams have dozens of scouts watching the Yankees who are paid to accumulate info on what Girardi is going to do in any situation. If Girardi managed each game conscious of that fact he could be effectively managing a season instead of just one game.
Actually, Shoeless Joe played well in the 1919 Series: hit .375 or so with no errors. He was not banned for fixing games but for not reporting that attempts had been made to elicit his support for fixing games. He declined. Maybe he did not report the contact out of fear for his well-being? Just clearing things up a bit. Joe Jackson belongs in the Hall of Fame….
The Ghost
June 18th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Here’s the thing about having a power hitter that bunts from time to time – it forces the corner infielder to have to be honest in bunting situations. That makes him have to take 4 or 5 steps in which can be the difference between an out and a 2 run double. It also takes away any thought of a Giambi/Bonds type shift being employed. The bunt is an extremely useful long term mental tool that too many managers have abandoned because it too rarely gives the desired immediate results. The season is 162 games, teams have dozens of scouts watching the Yankees who are paid to accumulate info on what Girardi is going to do in any situation. If Girardi managed each game conscious of that fact he could be effectively managing a season instead of just one game.
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No it doesn’t “force them to be honest”. Oppossing managers would prefer power hitters to give up an at bat as oppossed to clocking one over the fence.
Shifts are used on players to stop them from pulling and hit to their weaknesses…the opposite field.