Yankees catch a break in Boston
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jun 18, 2009 
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Game called by rain, Marlins win 2-1 in five innings. Yankees trail by three games.
According to a friend who was there, Roger Clemens was at the souvenir store across the street from Fenway Park signing autographs. Rare public appearance for the Rocket. Wonder if he’ll be showing up around the Stadium?
we’ll take it any way we can get it
Whatever helps
well…shoulda picked up a game…but ehh
Boston isin’t even on the radar. Let us start playing better before we worry about them
The more important development is that we are only 1 game ahead of the Angels for the WC and 3 ahead of Tampa.
HUGE break. Enormous.
There is no chance they move Joba to the pen.
For whatever reason, it now takes him 20-30 pitches to get warmed up and his velocity up.
That doesn’t exactly translate well to the 8th inning.
Cashman and Girardi have no intention of moving him.
mlb umps and league officials are stooges.. they try to get games in when it is impossible and therefore poor slobs have to sit at a ballpark for over 5 hours to wait out a storm…
the yanks got a gift on the sux loss…
Thank God. If the game had continued, Boston would have killed their bullpen and won.
Boston is on the radar. How come we’re on the radar for Tampa three games up but Boston is not on the radar three games up from us?
Wait till they come to OUR house June 18th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
Boston is on the radar. How come we’re on the radar for Tampa three games up but Boston is not on the radar three games up from us?
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Because that’s how the bridge jumpers think around here. Same old, same old.
Sox getting 1 hit by the Marlins through 5 doesn’t erase the pain of tonights loss but it does dull it a little.
Dove, from the previous thread, if I thought Phil had an attitude, I would call him on it. I think after his start against Boston at home (the one with the rain delay), Phil mentioned about not getting calls from the ump. I initially assumed he was complaining about being squeezed and I called him on it. Subsequently, I was convinced that Phil was basically just making a straightforward comment and actually was not complaining (I was suprised at the time because that is unlike Phil).
This has nothing to do with Joba v. Phil – I just find in general that Joba gets off easy sometimes.
Maybe because Tampa is closer to us than we are to Boston?
Barring a rash of injuries, Boston is going to the playoffs. I consider them a non-entity. We’re not battling them for a playoff spot. We’re battling them for the division if it comes to it.
I would much rather separate from the Angels/Rays (our 2 main playoff threats) than stay close with Boston. Yeah, it’s good when Boston loses, but that is not part of the bigger picture. A Rays or Angels loss is just as good, if not better.
Mark, we’re as close to Tampa as to Boston.
““If he (Papelbon) wanted to come to the Yanks I’d take him. And he is my least favorite player of all time.”
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I’d prefer he find another home. If he leaves Boston, that’s good enough for me.
It would be hard to root for him. I’d find a way, but I’d rather not have to deal with that.
Same with Beckett.
However Mark I do get your point.
NYYanksFan June 18th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
Sox getting 1 hit by the Marlins through 5 doesn’t erase the pain of tonights loss but it does dull it a little.
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Don’t say that to the bridge jumpers. Only the Yanks play stinkers against bad teams.
The Red Sox are undefeated against bad teams this season.
Do people realize that the Nationals have won ONE series all year?
In 3 months of baseball, they have won 1 series. This was their 2nd series win.
Yeah Boston Dave, I’d deal w/it. Though I’d rather develop Melancon as closer.
“Barring a rash of injuries, Boston is going to the playoffs.”
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I don’t think even Boston agrees with that. I’m sure they feel they should make the playoffs, but 100 games is a long way to go.
Boston’s offense has been questionable. Lester and Beckett are improving but have been inconsistent.
Will Brad Penny keep it up? Is Daisuke going to have a tired arm for the rest of his career?
The bullpen can’t get much better (they’ve been great). But they could get worse. Ramon Ramirez has slowed down a bit recently. Bard struggled in his last outing. Papelbon has gotten into (though out of) trouble more often than in the past.
The Sox are a good team but don’t hand them anything just yet.
I have to say this season of baseball has been very entertaining, at least to me.
If someone wants to whine now that I’ve made that comment, feel free.
“A Rays or Angels loss is just as good, if not better.”
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so you are not only conceding the AL East to the Sox but you’re also conceding the AL West to the Rangers??
I’m not sure I can agree with you in either case.
stuart
June 18th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
mlb umps and league officials are stooges.. they try to get games in when it is impossible and therefore poor slobs have to sit at a ballpark for over 5 hours to wait out a storm…
the yanks got a gift on the sux loss…
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We exchanged gifts, didn’t we?
Tell you what’s a GREAT sign for the future-our bullpen was totally lights out awesome.
Joba gets off easy because he has the 2nd best ERA of the starters.
That will earn you a lot of rope. Damon isin’t going to call out his 2nd best pitcher.
Oh yeah so this is Girardi’s “homecoming of vengeance” to Miami.
I wonder if any of the Steins make the trip down to rattle the cages a bit. Doubt it.
If we sweep the fish all will be well.
Please sweep, guys…
Nope some fans are dillusional. They do not see how this Yankee team is playing well below its ability. Tampa and the Angels should not be mentioned in the same sentence with the Yankees based on talent level. Yet we talk about figthing them off for the wild card. If the talent level on the this Yankee team was more toward the mediocre side, no problem with their performance so far, but the talent is far superior
BX 44
June 18th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
Joba gets off easy because he has the 2nd best ERA of the starters.
That will earn you a lot of rope. Damon isin’t going to call out his 2nd best pitcher.
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Especially when the offense hasn’t exactly been amazing
This has nothing to do with Joba v. Phil – I just find in general that Joba gets off easy sometimes.
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Joba gets off easier than Hughes because he’s far more talented.
Nobody is going to argue that Joba pitched well tonight because he didn’t.
But the difference between Joba and most everyone else, including Hughes, is that a bad night for Joba is giving up 3 ER in an outing.
Including tonight, Joba has made a total of 25 starts in the bigs. He’s allowed 3 ER or less in 22 of them. For any starting pitcher, especially in the AL East, allowing 3 ER or less in 22 of his 25 outings is phenomenal.
He has an ability to limit the damage even when he’s terrible that other pitchers with his experience just don’t have in them.
That’s why this kid is going to be special when he’s a finished product. He just needs to mature and get his ass handed to him by his teammates before he’ll listen.
dillusional-Besides spelling delusional wrong…There’s nothing wrong with being mentioned in the same breath as LA and Tampa, two good teams.
“Do people realize that the Nationals have won ONE series all year?
In 3 months of baseball, they have won 1 series. This was their 2nd series win.”
Not that it matters much but they have won 2 previous series.
ATL at home in april
ARZ away in may.
you know what will make me forget about losing a series at home to the Nationals?
A great start (and win) by Andy Pettitte tomorrow.
Losing games that, on paper, you should win hurts.
But more important than that is getting the starting pitchers back on track.
Will AJ carry over from his last start and/or have a second half like he did last season? Can Andy give them quality innings? Can Joba gain better command of his pitches? Will Wang continue to improve?
Give us 3 of those 4 and the Yanks will be a playoff team if not the #1 seed in the AL.
Now all we have to do is win two games vs. the Sox or something that we should lose to make up for these two loses!
I’d prefer he find another home. If he leaves Boston, that’s good enough for me.
It would be hard to root for him. I’d find a way, but I’d rather not have to deal with that.
Same with Beckett.
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Know what you mean. Those two I find loathsome. On the other hand, I’m not in the Manny hate camp. I would have welcomed Manny as ARod protection with open arms. In the light of the events, however, the fallout would not have been pretty.
But I have to say, I never hated Manny. I was always a sort of closet Manny fan.
Uh, okay.
BTW. I tuned into that last inning in Baltimore just for the sole purpose of seeing how K-rod would celebrate his save. Because, it seems as if the big Bru-haha, K-rod has toned it down a bit.
Well, what I saw was even better. I got to hear Jim Palmer talk about K-rod’s first blown save. And then I got to see his second blown save. Against a team that was 0-34 when losing after the 8th inning. Oh, and K-rod’s ERA doubled to a whopping 1+ run. Good times.
We have lost 6 of 9, 8 of 14. Just lost a series at home to the worst team in baseball, got Swept in Boston a week ago, and are a Castillo botched pop up from losing 3 straight series in a row.
Not the best day to be talking playoff positioning, no?
I despise Manny. He is my fourth least favorite player (Papelscum, Youk, Beckett, Manny).
OUR house,
yup
if the Yanks were to win just 5 or 6 of the remaining 11 games against the Sox, and if their non-head-to-head winning % so far were to hold up, the Yanks win the division
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....;type=lgns
Canseco is suing Major league Baseball. He must have run out of money.
JJ-Why not, considering after all that we’re STILL in?
“The Red Sox are undefeated against bad teams this season.”
I guess it depends on how you define a bad team. There are worse teams out there than Seattle, but they do have a losing record.
Sox lost two out of three to them in Seattle.
Wait till they come to OUR house
June 18th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
Tell you what’s a GREAT sign for the future-our bullpen was totally lights out awesome.
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Yup.
Coke is back to being pretty nasty. Aceves is the same quiet assassin he’s always been, and D-Rob has that CB.
Yes my spelling is bad, but please do not portray the Yankees as Rocky. Angels and Ray are good, but Yanks are better
Offensively Yanks are better, starting pitching Yanks are better, especially this year with Rays. Expereince wise, Yanks much better. Match em up
ray, I think that was sarcasm.
“But I have to say, I never hated Manny. I was always a sort of closet Manny fan.”
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I have some stories where Manny was a really nice guy and I have some where he was a real jerk (and none of these include the fact that he has cheated on his wife and family more times than Johnny Damon has broken a bat times 10).
However, he really is just that dumb. He doesn’t get it.
His intentions have never been all that bad. He’s just a complete and utter pea-brain.
dillusional, they’re better, but not so significantly that I’m ashamed to be mentioned in the same breath.
I don’t think the Rangers are going to fade.
Angels might overtake them for the division, but they will be right there for the WC. Don’t think they will go in the tank. They are overachieving, but their bullpen is much improved.
Though Tampa is by far our biggest threat after Boston. Their rotation has really come together in recent weeks.
Wait till they come to OUR house
June 18th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
“ray, I think that was sarcasm”
You are probably right.
It’s late…guess I need to go to bed!
What if Castillo caught the ball the other day? We would have two wins in what last 9? with this much $$$ payroll, star players, etc?
Its a joke.
Is anybody else a bit concerned with Arod. Its been about a good six weeks since he has been off the DL and Joe has not given him a day yet. Maybe he needs a day off.
But hey we lose the series to a dismal team and we’ll get em tomorrow.
JJ
June 18th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
We have lost 6 of 9, 8 of 14. Just lost a series at home to the worst team in baseball, got Swept in Boston a week ago, and are a Castillo botched pop up from losing 3 straight series in a row.
Not the best day to be talking playoff positioning, no?
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Actually, it’s a fine day to talk postseason, since all that occurred and we’re still only 3 games out, and if it ended today, we’d be the WC team.
The Sox are almost certain to make some trade-deadline moves.
They have the prospects. They have more money than they know what to do with (if they want to spend it).
The Yankees need to add a bullpen arm and need to hope their starters find a groove.
This team is capable of going on long winning streaks.
Point being, the season is far from over. Things will change. More injuries will occur to both teams.
Don’t concede anything. To steal the Sox slogan… “Keep the Faith”
One day I’m buying a tape of that dropped ball w/Kay’s call and playing it when I’m depressed to cheer me up.
Who cares about “if” he caught the ball? He didn’t, so we DID win.
JJ June 18th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
We have lost 6 of 9, 8 of 14. Just lost a series at home to the worst team in baseball, got Swept in Boston a week ago, and are a Castillo botched pop up from losing 3 straight series in a row.
Not the best day to be talking playoff positioning, no?
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It’s called a slump. Every team goes through them. Even the mighty Red Sox.
It’s not a really big deal unless Yankee fans and the media make it a big deal.
My only issue with the Yanks right now is that they need to take of business against bad teams.
Last season, they didn’t miss the postseason because they couldn’t beat the Rays or Red Sox. It was because they didn’t play well against teams they should beat.
For instance, the Yanks were 20-16 against TB and RSN but an appalling 15-20 against the Reds, Pirates, Indians, Rangers, and Tigers – all teams that finished the 2008 season under .500.
That’s where the Yanks need to improve significantly from last season. I’m not really worried too much about their record against the Red Sox head to head.
Yeah TeixMVP… I would hope a team that spends $423 million this winter and brings in the best free agents would be in “the hunt” for a playoff spot.
Is that what it has come to?
Night guys. Go Yanks!
John Henry can’t be too happy with Paps comments.
Really all it is is a bit of early stage negotiating. Well maybe a bit too early.
He knows Theo and Henry play hardball so he’s just saying “I’ll walk and consider everybody”
Good thing the Red Sox got that HR. Otherwise it would have been a no-hitter and the game would have continued.
As much as sickens me to say it, the Sox are better. Their talent isn’t, except for the pen, but their decision making is the difference.
Madness,
I think you’re the same person who posts under different names calling me that.
We’re not “in the hunt” genius. We’re IN, if it ended today.
“Actually, it’s a fine day to talk postseason, since all that occurred and we’re still only 3 games out, and if it ended today, we’d be the WC team.”
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bod, that’s a point that gets lots amongst the doom and gloomers in here.
As bad as the Yanks have seemed at times, there aren’t very many teams that are considerably or even marginally better than they are.
The Tigers looked great but shockingly they are capable of slumping too! The Sox will slump again as well.
Ups and downs. 162 games….
If Castillo caught the ball, we’d be one 36-30 and the mets would be 34-30.
Wait,
Saw your comment. Thanks. But your thought about it being short and to the point got me thinking…about dave!
Yeah, that’s good. But after today, every team should just bring up their best 3 minors that we haven’t seen before to face us. It’s kinda pathetic how these guys kill us. At this point, I think I can shut out the Yanks and my fast ball tops out at about 75 mph.
The team shouldn’t go in the tank like this when they are slumping.
When’s the last time Boston lost 6 of 9 or 8 of 14 after the 1st week of the season?
Spelled it differently, its late. Agreed both Angels and Rays are good, but since Yanks have the overkill payroll and roster, they should show better results. They should be playing at an entirely different level. You are going to lose games to weaker teams. but its the way they lose, and win. Many of their wins come at the end of the game. Why? Why are they behind so much in the first place? thats a bad sign. Some of it is pitching, but they never jump on the other teams starter, even rookies or mediocre starters. They should not have to be coming from behind so much with this type of offense.
Boston Dave – OPPC
June 18th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
“But I have to say, I never hated Manny. I was always a sort of closet Manny fan.”
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I have some stories where Manny was a really nice guy and I have some where he was a real jerk (and none of these include the fact that he has cheated on his wife and family more times than Johnny Damon has broken a bat times 10).
However, he really is just that dumb. He doesn’t get it.
His intentions have never been all that bad. He’s just a complete and utter pea-brain.
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I followed his career from his Heights days and he is just silly as a hitter.
I can’t say I mind his free-spirited iconoclasm, either. And the fact that he lives to punish baseballs. His talent is astonishing.
Sox are better now, but I think we’ll get better.
The yankee pitching staff gave up 9 runs this series. 9 runs. The nationals not only have the worst pitching staff in the game – their staff is historically bad. Its on pace to be one of the worst ever.
Before this series began if someone were to say that the yankees pitchers would give up 9 runs and ask given that how many games of the three would the yanks win. Almost everyone would have said they’d likey sweep.
9 runs allowed to the team with the worst pitching in the league. The yankee offense is averaging over 5 runs a game. That’s a sweep.
Instead the offense scored 5 runs total in three games.
The pitching wasn’t great in its process but it got results. That’s what decides games.
Criticizing CC is just beyond ridiculous.
And while wang and joba’s performances weren’t pretty they should have more than sufficed to win games 2 and 3. Fortunately the bull pen is stepping up.
This is entirely on the offense. Outside of cano they were awful.
Joba and wang performed sub-optimally in how they pitched but the results of those performances in no way were the primary resons for why this team lost.
This was the offense. If people want to vent about the pitching that’s fine but that’s not why this team massively underperformed.
9 runs. That should be a sweep.
“As much as sickens me to say it, the Sox are better. Their talent isn’t, except for the pen, but their decision making is the difference.”
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The Sox being “better” on June 19 means close to nothing.
I’ll let the Sox be better on June 19th, July 20th, August 14th…
just give the Yanks that title in October.
162 games…
Such a frustrating team to watch. Have one good streak and play .500 the rest of the year, just like 2008
And just like 2008, the team just takes off games at a time against pitchers they haven’t seen and teams they should beat.
Agree CB
Kind of funny to see everyone else sugarcoating it.
I honestly don’t see Papelbon remaining with Boston. I don’t think Theo will pay him close to what he wants. He puts a price tag on every player he negotiates with, and doesn’t go a buck higher. And Papelbon is going to get paid as much as he can. Papelbon is a damn good pitcher, but there will be teams desperate of a closer that will overpay him.
CB, you’re right.
Now I’m gone.
Blackdragon905
June 18th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
GreenBeret7,
What is Manny Banuelos’ scouting report, ceiling, and mlb comparison? Thanks!
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Pretty much as most would think A top two type starter, but, I just go by what I’ve seen of him in 6 of his starts. He’s impressive….very impressive. Has all the pitches, attacks hitters and fears nobody. Rare for a barely 19 year old kid from Mexico. Has a lot of Ron Guidry in him from the size (5’10”, 160 pounds) to the bulldog attitude. Never have seen him get excited in a game. When he gets that slider down, he’s going to break a lot of Red sox hearts.
I did make one mistake…Banuelos just turned 18 in March, not 19. When he matures a little that low 90s fastball will be mid 90s and upwards.
right if season ended today Yanks get wild card. WOW great season. Its like saying you got a C in a class filled with D students and you celebrate. This team should not be sneaking in to the wild card. The team has too much ability for that. Who will call them out on playing up to their abilities?
“Instead the offense scored 5 runs total in three games.”
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CB,
thanks alot. I thought I was done throwing up for the night.
that is both staggering and sickening.
I’m sure there are a number of reasons for it. I just hope in a week or two we can just chalk it up to one of those slumps that happens every year before hitting midseason form.
Ha. I wasn’t criticizing CC. I said if AJ gave up a walk, a hit, and a blast, he’d be roasted. AJ only gets a pass if he gives up 0 earned runs. And even then, people find faults.
“When’s the last time Boston lost 6 of 9 or 8 of 14 after the 1st week of the season?”
They are 8-0 against us, and are somehow only 3 games up on us. They are obviously losing games they “shouldn’t” lose as well…
The Yankees cant beat the Red Sox…or Nationals for that matter.
5+2=7?
“Wild card what an accomplishment”
I think the 2004 Red Sox view their wild card season as an acomplishment. Or 2003 Marlins.
Booga Booga Booga Booga BOOGA!
Can the Yankees please start hitting rookies who challenge them with their 88 mph fastballs?
I 100% agree CB…which is why I didn’t get the Cano hate yesterday and don’t get all the joba hate today – he wasn’t amazing by any stretch, but you only pay attention b/c the offense (pretty much all of them) sucked it up big time tonight
The offense was fairly eunuched tonight.
We had no Jorge, Jete and we really do not “have” ARod presently.
That’s three important bats essentially missing.
Pena and Cervelli give us defense and refreshing legs and energy – but they don’t stand in for what is normally a loaded lineup.
Wild card what an accomplishment June 19th, 2009 at 12:08 am
right if season ended today Yanks get wild card. WOW great season. Its like saying you got a C in a class filled with D students and you celebrate. This team should not be sneaking in to the wild card. The team has too much ability for that. Who will call them out on playing up to their abilities?
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There have been plenty of teams who just sneaked in the wildcard spot and did just fine.
The Tigers and Cardinals in 2006 both did just that and ended up in the World Series.
Don’t spazz out on June 18th. There’s a lot of baseball left.
Doesn’t matter how you get to the postseason as long as you get there.
Patience worked out real well last year didn’t it?
Do people forget we missed the playoffs last year?
That team had its moments too…. the 7 game win streak (right around this time last yr) and the 9 game win streak right after the ASB. But ultimately, they were a .500 team that just got hot for 2 weeks of the season.
True to the blame being on the offense.
Joba’s 4th inn was frustrating but outside of that he was pretty good. Probably should have escaped the 1st with 2 out and nobody on but it happens. Those are the Nats best hitters.
The Arod situation is a little scary. We’re in unventured territory with his injury and his poor numbers.
Is the hip to messed up to thrive or is this just a slump?
Probably a bit of both but we all know how important his bat is to this team.
Let’s hope this trip to his hometown and it’s climate does him some good.
Red sox wild card? yes remember that- another under achieving under performing Yankee team paved the way for that.
You cannot compare Marlins or Red Sox to this years Yankee team. This years Yankee team has higer payroll quality players at every position. Both Red Sox and Marlins were not consdiered the best team potentially in their division, the Yankees are. The Yankees are once again flat out under performing, and acting like they are team equal to others is a joke
After what happened last season, the Yankees would love to have the wild card.
How do you lose a series to the Nationals?
You have to mail it in real bad to do that. They have won 2 series all year and they come into Yankee Stadium and shut us down?
Now watch, Boston will sweep them and it won’t even be close.
Giuseppe Franco
June 18th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
Including tonight, Joba has made a total of 25 starts in the bigs. He’s allowed 3 ER or less in 22 of them. For any starting pitcher, especially in the AL East, allowing 3 ER or less in 22 of his 25 outings is phenomenal.
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You’re forgetting one other thing….He’s only pitched beyond 6 innings in 5 of them.
Drills June 19th, 2009 at 12:14 am
How do you lose a series to the Nationals?
You have to mail it in real bad to do that. They have won 2 series all year and they come into Yankee Stadium and shut us down?
Now watch, Boston will sweep them and it won’t even be close.
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Who effing cares?
If it bothers you that much, stop watching the games. Problem solved.
And if the Red Sox were beating every team they are supposed to beat – they wouldn’t be just 3 games ahead of the Yanks despite an 8-0 record against them.
The team just has streaky hitters
Damon is a streaky hitter
A-Rod is a streaky hitter and he looks lost now
Jorge is a streaky hitter
Matsui is a streaky hitter
Cano is a streaky hitter
Melky is a streaky hitter
When you have a team full of them, slumps are not going to be uncommon, even with 4-5 guys at the same time.
Though A-Rod is just killing us now.
Boston Dave – OPPC
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The Sox being “better” on June 19 means close to nothing.
I’ll let the Sox be better on June 19th, July 20th, August 14th…
just give the Yanks that title in October.
162 games…
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I’m not saying it’s immutable, and if changes are made in the hierarchy, it can be easily fixed, but that’s the current state of affairs.
Well, those words “theres a lot of baseball left” “its only June 18th”
those to me are “famous last words”
been there done that- last year as a matter of fact. I hope you are right, but I dont think so.
I want a new manager, someone who can do something to get the team and players to perform at least close to their abilities. I want a manager, and they are out there, who get their team to play to their best or close to it everyday. This team coasts.
Watch Boston, no matter with Manny, without Manny, Papi not hitting, whoever is injured they always bludgeon teams. They never go into the tank for long, never have two or three bad games in a row. They get their younger guys to contribute. and they win
You’re forgetting one other thing….He’s only pitched beyond 6 innings in 5 of them.
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I wasn’t forgetting.
He needs to be more aggressive and more economical. Nobody is going to argue against that.
But as I said, he still minimizes the damage even when he pitches like crap.
There have been quite a few games this season that got out of hand very early (Burnett, Wang, Pettitte, Hughes).
But Joba is usually not the culprit in those games.
CB- Great post.
GB7- You have been spot on this eve.
I fell asleep after finishing a great book during the rain delay, woke up, and now insomnia has taken its hold.
Who cares about the standings in June. Anyone within 6-8 games right now is in the thick of it. Go to espn.com. MLB, then hit standings and see as far back as 2002 to see the standings on June 18th for previous years. It should make any fan cheering for a good team with a good pitching staff feel like they took a valium. Good staffs with a good offense find a way over a 162 games.
-dennis
T-DOT
June 19th, 2009 at 12:18 am
The team just has streaky hitters
Damon is a streaky hitter
A-Rod is a streaky hitter and he looks lost now
Jorge is a streaky hitter
Matsui is a streaky hitter
Cano is a streaky hitter
Melky is a streaky hitter
When you have a team full of them, slumps are not going to be uncommon, even with 4-5 guys at the same time.
Though A-Rod is just killing us now.
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I’ll repeat it. Rodriguez still has better numbers than Teixeira’s first 140 at bats this year. Nobody was complaining about him, and, nobody was keeping a daily score on his numbers, either. Not that you’d expect any better.
dennis-costanza
June 19th, 2009 at 12:22 am
CB- Great post.
GB7- You have been spot on this eve.
I fell asleep after finishing a great book during the rain delay, woke up, and now insomnia has taken its hold.
Who cares about the standings in June. Anyone within 6-8 games right now is in the thick of it. Go to espn.com. MLB, then hit standings and see as far back as 2002 to see the standings on June 18th for previous years. It should make any fan cheering for a good team with a good pitching staff feel like they took a valium. Good staffs with a good offense find a way over a 162 games.
-dennis
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evening, Dennis. Hope you and that unfortuate lady are doing great up there. The weather here has been almost as bad as the northeast has. 5 inning, 2-1 losses are the about as bad a loss as a team gets. I mean, I’m not holding an Irish wake or anything. I’m also not laughing about it.
OK.. I lied…I am laughing….a lot
You guys getting ready for the July 4th blowouts, up there?
green beret of course people were on Tex when he was hitting 190..
we were whining about his ineptness on a daily basis……..
people were saying it is another bad signing..
You`ll care if Yanks miss out on wild card by three games. All these loses to garbage teams and pitchers will come back to haunt them. It always does. EVERY game is important. Especially those that you know the Red Sox will win when they play them
Boston Dave
bod, that’s a point that gets lots amongst the doom and gloomers in here.
As bad as the Yanks have seemed at times, there aren’t very many teams that are considerably or even marginally better than they are.
The Tigers looked great but shockingly they are capable of slumping too! The Sox will slump again as well.
Ups and downs. 162 games…
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We have not an unflawed, but a powerful team. We also have some young pitching we’re trying to integrate while the train is in motion; not easy to do and so far, we’ve had some awkward but promising results.
We have some depth below to call upon (Dunn, Melancon) to help bolster the BP, which has gotten stronger of late.
ARod, one hopes, will improve gradually, if not regain his form. That would certainly help . I don’t want to even consider the alternative.
“AJ only gets a pass if he gives up 0 earned runs. And even then, people find faults.”
Sounds like someone else whose name starts with A. Aceves better watch out, he could be next.
We missed the playoffs last year because we went under .500 against the Rangers, Royals, Tigers, Indians, Reds, and Pirates.
If we miss the playoffs by a game or two, we’ll be looking at this series, not the Boston series.
Every game matters. After last year, you would think people would realize this by now. In a way, these games are more important than Sox games.
For Guiseppe June 19th, 2009 at 12:21 am
Well, those words “theres a lot of baseball left” “its only June 18th”
those to me are “famous last words”
been there done that- last year as a matter of fact. I hope you are right, but I dont think so.
I want a new manager, someone who can do something to get the team and players to perform at least close to their abilities. I want a manager, and they are out there, who get their team to play to their best or close to it everyday. This team coasts.
Watch Boston, no matter with Manny, without Manny, Papi not hitting, whoever is injured they always bludgeon teams. They never go into the tank for long, never have two or three bad games in a row. They get their younger guys to contribute. and they win
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Two things:
You’re wrong. The Red Sox struggle too. Believe it or not, even the mightiest of the mighty struggle on occasion.
How else do you explain everything that has happened to the Yanks this season with injuries and just bad baseball – yet they are still only 3 games behind the Red Sox right now?
You explain it by stating the obvious – the Red Sox have struggled at times too.
The Yanks aren’t the only team in the majors who have bad stretches and embarrassing losses. It happens to everyone.
Secondly, Girardi is NOT getting fired. It’s not happening.
The days of the old Boss George Steinbrenner going crazy after a bad series and firing managers are long long gone. Cooler heads now prevail in that front office.
Girardi is Cashman’s guy and that’s the end of it. Girardi has the full season to sink or swim and all the yelling and screaming isn’t going to change that.
The 80s Yankees are no more. And thank whatever god you pray to for that.
Dennis, if at the end of game #162 and it says the Yanks are one game back in the East or WC….then, I’ll be concerned. Then, I’ll demand a recount of the win-loss totals. No reason for me to get concerned or worried.
WE’RE GONNA BEAT THE RED SOX BLOODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Riv Ave Blues posted something from ESPN stat bureau saying that the Nats were the worst team (in winning %) to win a series in the Bronx since the 1939 St Louis Browns.
Hey we are all witnesses to history!
GB7-
Thanks for the kind words re: sox loss.
The difference between an Irish wake and an Irish wedding is one less person.
-dennis
I have watched cooler heads since 2000 and they havent won a thing.
dennis-costanza
June 19th, 2009 at 12:32 am
GB7-
Thanks for the kind words re: sox loss.
The difference between an Irish wake and an Irish wedding is one less person.
-dennis
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Ya’ll are most welcome, Dennis.
That’s about the size of it. I’ve seen a lot of wakes that were happier than some weddings. Not my weddings, of course. That came later.
Bronx Jeers
June 19th, 2009 at 12:32 am
Riv Ave Blues posted something from ESPN stat bureau saying that the Nats were the worst team (in winning %) to win a series in the Bronx since the 1939 St Louis Browns.
Hey we are all witnesses to history!
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How bad were the 1939 Yankees?
Bronx Jeers June 19th, 2009 at 12:32 am
Riv Ave Blues posted something from ESPN stat bureau saying that the Nats were the worst team (in winning %) to win a series in the Bronx since the 1939 St Louis Browns.
Hey we are all witnesses to history!
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That’s VERY interesting. You know what that also means?
It means that one of the all-time great Yankee teams with both DiMaggio and Gehrig somehow managed to lose to a historically bad team and still marched on to win the World Series.
That 1939 Yankees team might be the second or third best Yankee team of them all. It’s right up there with the 1927 team and the 1961 team.
Some actually consider it the best.
See that? Embarrassing losses even happen to the best of them.
The ship will sink hate to say it. If he cant squeeze more out of them it will be a tough year
cooler heads? June 19th, 2009 at 12:37 am
I have watched cooler heads since 2000 and they havent won a thing.
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They didn’t win a thing in the 1980s either.
yes, embarrassing losses do happen to good and great teams, but not that often. Yanks have been losing more than they should to weaker teams for two years now.
Trolls are like zits. Squeeze ‘em and all that’s left if a little pile of slime and a small mark.
true didnt win in the 80`s but did not have the teams and talent they have had since 2000. Not even close
Embarrasing losses? I do not understand that unless you are $ vested as a share holder. How can a fan/observer be embarassed if they had nothing to do with the outcome?
-dennis
Should have. Had series lead over the Dodgers in ’81 that we blew.
not to the fan, to the team. I think this series is just three games that are not a big deal. The bigger picture is the last 200 games or so the team has played. They should be better, a lot better than they have shown over the last 200 games
dennis-costanza
June 19th, 2009 at 12:46 am
Embarrasing losses? I do not understand that unless you are $ vested as a share holder. How can a fan/observer be embarassed if they had nothing to do with the outcome?
-dennis
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Teenagers are easily embarrassed by everything but their school grades and their appearance.
80`s June 19th, 2009 at 12:45 am
true didnt win in the 80`s but did not have the teams and talent they have had since 2000. Not even close
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No, just a daily lineup with the names Henderson, Randolph, Mattingly, and Winfield.
Two Hall of Famers in their prime and one who was well on his way to the Hall before he had his chronic back problems.
BTW, only 10 year olds change their freaking monikers every 5 minutes. Keep one name or stop responding altogether.
Dennis, have you watched this youngster, Rick Porcello pitch, yet? For a 20 year old, this guy is as impressive as any I’ve seen since Gooden. 8 wins and a 3.50 ERA by the middle of June.
The Red Sox fan will never get over Roger Clemens.
Even Pujols couldn’t have helped them tonight.
“The problem is not confined to the Yankees. The St. Louis Cardinals’ Albert Pujols, who is perhaps the best hitter in baseball, said last month that he would rather face elite pitchers like C. C. Sabathia, Jake Peavy, Carlos Zambrano and Roy Oswalt than a pitcher he does not know.”
“Sometimes, I have success against these guys because I’m really focused, and I know those guys are going to bring their best game,” he said. “And I need to bring my best game. Sometimes, I get discouraged about facing a rookie or somebody else because you think he’s going to make an automatic mistake. But sometimes that’s not the case. Sometimes, he pitches me tough, too.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06.....chers.html
I still think there’s something wrong with Joba. I have yet to hear from any pro joba as a starter person on how his velocity drop is normal and what healthy pitcher they can compare that to. There is none. Velocities don’t drop from year to year for young starters… they go up. He’s been on a decline since he came up and has dropped off ever since he was hurt.
I even posed the question to Pete who answers every email and got no response.
pat
June 19th, 2009 at 12:56 am
Even Pujols couldn’t have helped them tonight.
“The problem is not confined to the Yankees. The St. Louis Cardinals’ Albert Pujols, who is perhaps the best hitter in baseball, said last month that he would rather face elite pitchers like C. C. Sabathia, Jake Peavy, Carlos Zambrano and Roy Oswalt than a pitcher he does not know.”
“Sometimes, I have success against these guys because I’m really focused, and I know those guys are going to bring their best game,” he said. “And I need to bring my best game. Sometimes, I get discouraged about facing a rookie or somebody else because you think he’s going to make an automatic mistake. But sometimes that’s not the case. Sometimes, he pitches me tough, too.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06.....chers.html
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That’s like a lot of things. I always hated going to places that I’d never been to, before. You just never have an idea what it’s really like. Reports, videos and pictures are helpful, but, they don’t give you the same feel of security as personal knowledge. Too unpredictable.
GB7-
I did when he pitched against the Sox a few weeks ago. He had a tough start but from what I saw from some highlights of other starts in the pre game the kid has great stuff. If I remember correctly from the broadcast he is a #1 pick from 2007 for Det.
Have you seen him pitch?
-dennis
pat,
I would think familiarity brings comfort (unless it’s Halladay). They’re more familiar with their tendencies, having seen the ball coming out of their hand dozens of times in the past.
Give the Nats rookies credit, they didn’t walk the park. Kept it simple, just pounding the strike zone. Wonder if our -expensive- experienced staff can do the same when they grow up?
E-gawa,
To some, the results matter the most. Joba has diminished stuff (by his own standards), but has a knack for keeping runs off the board. As long as he racks up wins, people don’t care that he seems to be a different pitcher this year.
The 1996 Yankees lost a series on the road to the 13-46 Tigers (.220 win percentage).
The 2005 Yankees lost a series on the road to the 13-37 Royals (.260 win pct).
dennis-costanza
June 19th, 2009 at 1:03 am
GB7-
I did when he pitched against the Sox a few weeks ago. He had a tough start but from what I saw from some highlights of other starts in the pre game the kid has great stuff. If I remember correctly from the broadcast he is a #1 pick from 2007 for Det.
Have you seen him pitch?
-dennis
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Only 5 of his starts, including an early season loss to NYY. They scored 6 runs, but it was only his 3rd or 4th start. At least Detroit is playing it smart with him and not pulling a Dusty Baker. Only 3 seven inning games and never over 99 pitches. If fact, he’s only had 2 of the 90-99 pitch games. He’s too good and too young to abuse like baker did with Prior and Wood or Johnson did with Gooden. that was borderline criminal.
The MLB app is starting to stream live games in video.
They’re doing select games now including Sunday’s Yankee game.
All games are coming soon.
A great app just become greater.
For all you geezers this means you can watch live games on your cell phone (Iphone)
m
Maybe Girardi should start the “kids” against these pitchers they have never seen before.
They’ve hardly seen anyone before so being unfamiliar seems normal for them.
m,
You’re right. Most don’t seem to care now but if and when the league starts catching up to him, they will.
The MLB app is starting to stream live games in video.
They’re doing select games now including Sunday’s Yankee game.
All games are coming soon.
A great app just become greater.
For all you geezers this means you can watch live games on your cell phone (Iphone)
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Sweet! As soon as Verizon starts their alliance with the iphone, I’ll be set. Supposed to happen next year.
When it’s the end of the season and we’re down by two games, we’ll all remember this fateful/pathetic week in June.
Please please move A-rod to the sixth bat or even out of the line-up. He is not qualified to play in the fourth. Among MLBs, A-rod is shameful to play in his offense.
E-gawa June 19th, 2009 at 1:28 am
m,
You’re right. Most don’t seem to care now but if and when the league starts catching up to him, they will.
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That’s the benefit of having very good stuff and four major league pitches in your arsenal and why he’s going to be a stud when he figures out how to harness his talent.
Steve June 19th, 2009 at 1:44 am
Please please move A-rod to the sixth bat or even out of the line-up. He is not qualified to play in the fourth. Among MLBs, A-rod is shameful to play in his offense.
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Girardi didn’t move Teixeira when he was hitting .190 at the end of May so he isn’t moving A-Rod now.
Girardi believes in his guys more than the two-faced Yankee fans do.
here’s an article about this weekends series w/ the Marlins, a few quotes from AROD’s high school coach
http://www.miamiherald.com/591/story/1104064.html
There is still plenty of games left. The yankees offense is slumping that happens it probably wont be the last time that it happens this year. But they will get it going again and get on a roll again.
*LIKE PETE SAID,way too much cap tippin,We’ll get’em* *tomorrow on this team.*