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Bryce Harper to play for Yankees against the Red Sox … for one day anyway

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jun 19, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Yankees amateur scouting director Damon Oppenheimer was at the Stadium after the draft and told me about a great event being planned for Aug. 16 at Fenway Park.

The Yankees and their scouts are assembling a team of high school stars (rising juniors and seniors) to play a team assembled by Red Sox scouts. Most of the players will be from the Northeast, but a handful will be from different places around the country.

The Yankees will have Bryce Harper on their roster. Harper is the 16-year-old super prospect who was a Sports Illustrated cover story earlier this month. Damon has developed a good relationship with the Harper family.

“When I asked Bryce about playing for us in that game, he jumped at it,” Oppenheimer said. “He was excited.”

The event will be held for charity. Damon is hoping the game will be played at Yankee Stadium next summer. Obviously it will be a great opportunity for those players and for the teams to get a first-hand look at them against great competition.

Once I get details about tickets, I will pass them along.

As for Harper, he is reportedly planning to attend junior college so he will be eligible for the 2010 draft. There would seem to be little chance he ends up with the Yankees. But you never know.

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266 Responses to “Bryce Harper to play for Yankees against the Red Sox … for one day anyway”

  1. Rishi June 19th, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    sounds like it’s going to be a great game to watch!

  2. vin June 19th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    Great idea!

  3. Stultus Magnus June 19th, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    Pete,

    Are you guys having that NY press v. Boston press game this year?

  4. Pel June 19th, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    Hype sure goes a long way.

  5. Gary June 19th, 2009 at 12:59 pm

    Make a deal with him where he goes to Japan for a ear, then sign him as an IFA

  6. Trevor June 19th, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    So the Nationals get Strasburg this year and Harper next year. Nice starting points to build year team.

  7. James June 19th, 2009 at 1:08 pm

    will never happen but it would be nice to watch the game sometime on YES or the MLB network

  8. AMS223 June 19th, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    If harper really wanted to be a yankee, and really maximize his money, instead of going to Junior College he could move to the dominican and maintain residence there for a year and then he would be free to sign with any team and have an open bidding war for his services.

  9. Stultus Magnus June 19th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    Have him move to the DR, renounce his citizenship, then sign him. It would take a matter of days.

    Our 80 year-old former sniper, GB7, would approve of this move.

  10. Scorpio June 19th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    AMS223
    June 19th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
    If harper really wanted to be a yankee, and really maximize his money, instead of going to Junior College he could move to the dominican and maintain residence there for a year and then he would be free to sign with any team and have an open bidding war for his services.
    ……

    That would be very unethical, not to mention un-American.

  11. Bronx Jeers June 19th, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    “Who wants to take blame for the mess that is Joba Chamberlain right now!”

    Francesa

  12. Stultus Magnus June 19th, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    We could slot him in this weekend.

  13. AMS223 June 19th, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    Scorpio :
    AMS223
    June 19th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
    If harper really wanted to be a yankee, and really maximize his money, instead of going to Junior College he could move to the dominican and maintain residence there for a year and then he would be free to sign with any team and have an open bidding war for his services.
    ……

    That would be very unethical, not to mention un-American.
    _________________________
    How is it unethical and unamerican. Right now what he is doing is just as ethical as moving to the DR. As for the ethics around it, there are plenty of high school basketball players goign to play professionally in europe and then coming to play in the NBA after a year in order to go around NBA’s rules…so how is this any different.

  14. vin June 19th, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    Un-American? Yes. Unethical? No.

    If anything, one could make the case that the draft itself is unethical. It denies the players the right to make themselves available on the free-market. Not saying I disagree with the draft, but just playing devil’s advocate.

  15. Stultus Magnus June 19th, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    “there are plenty of high school basketball players goign to play professionally in europe and then coming to play in the NBA after a year in order to go around NBA’s rules…”

    Yes, and Francesa calls them “nameless, faceless guys with tattoos”

  16. Sweep June 19th, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    Nieve against the Rays tonight over under on more than 3 innings for that bum

  17. vin June 19th, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    I wonder if Harper would call a better game than that bum Posada. :roll:

  18. charleston2 June 19th, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    He can do whatever he wants.

    There is no such thing as “unethical.”

    Things are only unethical insofar as you consider them to be. And that’s only within your mind. Sure, some things are agreed upon by more people as “unethical,” but a kid deciding a path for himself is not unethical.

    He’d probably really enjoy the DR. Who knows. Pedro loved to advertise it – I’ve seen the commercials. Welcome, to the Domin Publih.

  19. Torro June 19th, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    Rays will destroy Nieve, like any team who doesn’t mail it in will.

  20. Stultus Magnus June 19th, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    “Things are only unethical insofar as you consider them to be. And that’s only within your mind.”

    Where’s Bodi when you need him?

  21. AMS223 June 19th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    Stultus Magnus June 19th, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    “there are plenty of high school basketball players goign to play professionally in europe and then coming to play in the NBA after a year in order to go around NBA’s rules…”

    Yes, and Francesa calls them “nameless, faceless guys with tattoos”

    ah using Francesa for your defense

  22. Betsy June 19th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    LOL Mike sounds like he’s taking the Yankee losses so personally. As soon as I heard him say that the Yankees who showed up in Boston are the real Yankees, I turned it off. I sort of agree with him, but I don’t think they are nearly that bad – I just don’t think they are that good. For me, I expected them to be really good – one of the best teams in baseball. Their play for the last couple of weeks is not indicative of a team just going through a normal slump…at least, not IMO. The same problems that are plaguing this team now have plagued them for years…..offensively especially.

    I’ve seen on other boards people speculating that Tex’ slump is due to Alex’ slide and that Tex needs Alex to do well in order to do well himself. I think Tex is just cooling off like he was bound to do – at least I hope that’s what it is. He shouldn’t be so attached to Alex that he depends on him for his performances. I find it hard to believe that he would, given that Tex has had several very good years without Alex behind him.

  23. S.A.--The sun will come out tomorrow; I'm down with the OPPC June 19th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    Home sick, so I decided to try watching golf(trying to learn), the fans there sure love Mickelson. That Rocco person is so sweaty. At least I think that is sweat..

    Nice thing the Yankees are doing. Should be fun!

  24. Stultus Magnus June 19th, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    “ah using Francesa for your defense”

    Nah, just pointing it out. It cracked me up when he said it, so I thought I’d share.

  25. Evan June 19th, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    FIRE DAVE EILAND! (and the scouts for the Nationals and Fernando Nieve).

    Oh ya….and JOBA BELONGS IN THE PEN!

  26. Matt June 19th, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    Tex cooling off coincides with A-Rod hitting .088 in his last 10 games?

  27. CB June 19th, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    “If harper really wanted to be a yankee, and really maximize his money, instead of going to Junior College he could move to the dominican and maintain residence there for a year and then he would be free to sign with any team and have an open bidding war for his services.”

    This is incorrect. Even if Harper were to move to the DR or Japan or anywhere in the world and live there for a year he would still be subject to the draft.

    The only way to escape from the draft were for him to not only move out of he country, but to also renounce his U.S. Citizenship.

    So to escape from the draft he could literally no longer be American. He would have to give up his citizenship and turn in his passport.

  28. 86w183 June 19th, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    If he moved to another country and established residence I would have no problem with it, as long as he didn’t renounce his U.S. citizenship. As a parent, however I tink his JUC plan stinks. Let the kid grow up as normally as possible. All prodigy types have complications to their lives, but I don’t think leaving high school two years early is the right thing for a young man.

    The game itself is a very cool idea and should be televised on the MLB Network. Baseball should then steal the idea and encrouage other rivals to try and set up similar events… what a great way to promote the game.

  29. Fran (the original) and OPPC member June 19th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    Betsy, one thing that he said that I agree with is that the Yanks mailed it in yesterday. They did not look like they wanted to be there.

  30. Stultus Magnus June 19th, 2009 at 1:25 pm

    “The only way to escape from the draft were for him to not only move out of he country, but to also renounce his U.S. Citizenship.”

    Sounds like ’69 all over again. Or so I have read.

  31. AMS223 June 19th, 2009 at 1:25 pm

    CB:
    I believe you could have duel citizenship and sign as a dominican, but I am not positive on that…do you have any “proof” on what you said, because if thats true it slightly changes my opinion

  32. Erica - newly OPPC June 19th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    I will always defend this team where I think its deserved. But even I couldn’t find much good yesterday.

    Those first 5 innings the hitters looked like they were worried the flight to Florida was leaving without them. They gave that guy a 5 pitch 2nd inning!!! 5 Pitches!!! LOL

  33. CB June 19th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    AMS223,

    I don’t have a reference right now. Just google it if you don’t believe me.

    But you have to give up U.S. Citizenship to escape from the draft as I understand it. Dual citizenship is not enough.

  34. hardwired June 19th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    Maybe Harper can marry a Dominican hottie.

    If that plan doesn’t work, he’s still married to a Dominican hottie (and I can attest to the fact that this is a good thing).

  35. vin June 19th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    Haven’t seen anyone mention this, but the Junior College he’s planning to attend (College of Southern Nevada) was the same place that Yankee prospect Michael Dunn went.

    http://www.lasvegassun.com/blo.....inning-ya/

  36. Zack June 19th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    Agree, Fran.

    The team mailed in this entire series, especially yesterday. Francessa is 100% right to call the, out on it.

    They mailed in 4 of the last 5 games if you look at it. Nieve, Mathis, Lannan, and Stamman all shut us down.

  37. Eric June 19th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    Let’s find out who the heck our ADVANCE scouts are that checked out the Nationals pitchers before this series…they are the first to go when we start cleaning house.

  38. Andrew June 19th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    The only way Harper can ever slide to the yankees in the draft is if he demands a $100 million dollar signing bonus. Other than that, the yankees have no chance in hell to get him.

  39. Betsy June 19th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    Fran, that’s the worst thing you can ever say about a team. If that’s true, then they are really not worth rooting for. I just don’t know if I’m prepared to say that – Posada would never mail it in, Matsui wouldn’t, Damon wouldn’t, just to name a few. There are too many prideful, talented players on this team. I think they just didn’t execute – and not executing often looks like not trying. I’ll be firmer – no way do I believe the Yankees aren’t trying.

    I’m catching up on the prior thread – It would be a shame if Joba’s injury (why lie if it wasn’t tendonitis, by the way) affects him significantly for the rest of his career, but I guess that’s the nature and risk of being a pitcher. It’s such an unnatural motion, I’m surprised more pitchers don’t suffer terrible injuries. As to his tendency to be ultra-stubborn, that has got to go. For him to have problems with all of the catchers he’s thrown to tells me the problem lies with him. I like confidence, but not arrogance and perhaps Joba has crossed the line – I’m not sure.

  40. Scorch June 19th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    The team is a Luis Castillo pop up away from losing 3 straight series, 2 at home and one to the worst team in baseball.

    They are a couple of routine defensive plays being made away from 1-8 in our last 9 games.

    The team didn’t even bother to show up against the Nats and looked like they wanted to be anywhere else but the baseball field.

    What do you want Francessa to say? The team is going to win the division and win the world series?

  41. m June 19th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    So dropping 8 to the Sox, 2 to the Phils, tried to drop 2 to the Mets, and losing the series to the Nats is all part of a master plan to get the #1 draft pick? ;)

    Hey, read your guys thoughts on Joba. Very interesting. First, when did Joba’s first inning troubles begin? Second when did Joba’s velocity drop? I don’t recall him having first inning troubles at any point last season. But I do remember that his velocity was understandably lower after his shoulder problem.

    And Joba did give a quality start, but he’ll be the first to tell you that he didn’t pitch well against the bottom of the order. But I’m not going to get on him for that because I’ve seen CC, AJ, and Andy do it as well. Pitchers relax for that part of the order, and that’s why you see tons of #8, #9, and pitchers get on base.

    Anyway, Joba’s got that knack for keeping runs off the board, which is the main thing. And that he’s doing it with diminished stuff is even better. If his mechanics issues are related to rhythm, then he needs to stop locking horns with the catchers.

  42. Casanova Wong June 19th, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    As for Harper, he is reportedly planning to attend junior college so he will be eligible for the 2010 draft. There would seem to be little chance he ends up with the Yankees. But you never know.
    ————————-
    Actually Pete, I’ve been reading comments here and at other blogs. This season is over and the Yankees are approximately 20 to 25 games under .500. Seeing as though we are such a bad team I’d say the chances are pretty good we finish in last place in MLB and can draft Harper.

  43. Trevor June 19th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    “They did not look like they wanted to be there”

    I had said last night just looking at the players they looked disinterested in the game.
    Didn’t help either that no one was in the stands.

  44. vin June 19th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    The easiest way for him to land in NY is for him to sign a professional contract (like Porcello, Brackman and others) for 2 or 3 years with no club options.

    Not sure if that is possible or not, but that would get him out in the FA market at a very young age. He’d make far more money going that route than getting locked-in to a longer term deal with a team like the Nationals or Padres.

  45. vb03 - Save the Wanger, Save the Season June 19th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    The way this team is playing, they can draft Harper with their own pick next year.

    The Nationals can have the #2 pick. We got dibs!

  46. Stultus Magnus June 19th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    “Didn’t help either that no one was in the stands.”

    Yeah, for the Nationals it was just another day at the ballpark.

  47. dennis-costanza June 19th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    Hey CB.

    Happy Friday.

    The next 3 weeks are big for some teams to decide whther they buy or sell at the deadline. THe White Sox for instance are a good example of being in the middle. If they are in the East they more than likely they sell however they are in a division where perfect attendane wins the division. They are 4 under .500 yet only 4 games back. They have Dye, Knoerko, Thome, and others in the last year of deals. Kenny Williams more than likely would love to deal them but the fan base would be irate if they move parts for prospects still being in the hunt.

    Either way, there will be some very bad baseball teams after July 31st. Teams like the Yanks, Sox and a few others should make hay after the break.

    -dennis

  48. Sweep June 19th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    Scorch realists are not well liked in these parts watch out

  49. vin June 19th, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    “tried to drop 2 to the Mets”

    I like your use of the word “drop.”

  50. Michael June 19th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    Play in Japan kid. Then we’ll sign you.

  51. Scorpio June 19th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    “Things are only unethical insofar as you consider them to be. And that’s only within your mind.”

    Machiavelli, anyone? If every person took that mindset, the world would to to go ‘H-E-double hockey sticks’ in a handbasket.

    To each their own.

  52. dennis-costanza June 19th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    “attendance” sorry for the typo. GB7 is rubbing off.

  53. randy l. June 19th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    “FIRE EILAND”

    isn’t that a place?

  54. Erica - newly OPPC June 19th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    “Sweep”

    I am all for realism- but last I checked the game was at 7 tonight. Lets not decide at 1:40 that the game is already a loss. Unless you have advance knowledge that I don’t. But in that case, please pass it along so I can bet money

  55. m June 19th, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    vin,

    Good “catch”. There was no punt intended. :)

  56. Fran (the original) and OPPC member June 19th, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    Betsy, they were up there hacking at first pitches. The Washington starter last night was throwing 10 pitch innings. They did not attempt to work the count. They looked to me like a team that wanted to get out of there fast. And then we get the same “We never saw the pitcher before”. I would have liked to see a little fire out of the team and the manager for the loss yesterday.

    I am not accusing them of doing that all the time or I would not want to root for the Yankees either, but for this National series (especially last night)I sincerely believe they just went through the motions.

  57. Stultus Magnus June 19th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    “FIRE EILAND”

    isn’t that a place?

    ==============

    Haha, yes it is.

  58. Thurman June 19th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    OK, here’s the idea. Bryce Harper revokes his US citizenship and moves to Venezuela or Panama. The Yankees sign him and bring him to the states, where he eventually gets his citizenship back. I don’t suppose that can happen.

    If any of the Red Sox scouting prospects pitch against these Yankees scouting prospects and the Yankees prospects have never seen them before, then I guess the Yankees prospects get shut out…?

  59. SJ44 June 19th, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    Predicting the outcome of games before they start or deciding the season is over isn’t a “realist”. Its being a crybaby.

    Nobody is defending their play on the homestand. But, they aren’t subject to the death penalty and the season goes on.

    If you believe its over, or the team isn’t worth supporting, or any other drivel you will come up with today, move on. There are 29 other teams you can hitch your wagon to.

    Every team, regardless of payroll size, has a period to where they play horribly. This is the Yankees period right now.

    They will snap out of it because I highly doubt the season is “over” on June 19.

  60. Erica - newly OPPC June 19th, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    Fran-

    That was the part that drove me crazy last night. I love the “We never saw this pitcher” excuse- BUT THEN TAKE SOME PITCHES!

    Last night, they went down in the 2nd in 5 pitches. Atrocious! Even if all three batters stood there with the bats on their shoulders not moving it once, that would be a 9 pitch inning minimum.

    You can say Joba didn’t pitch well last night all you want, but last night belonged to the hitters. Joba wasn’t light’s out, but he kept them in the game

  61. Bronx Jeers June 19th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    My Bryce Harper master plan:

    1.Harper moves to DR. Becomes resident dropping US citizenship.

    2.Get signed by Yankees

    3.Marries my sister and regains US citizenship

    4.I get great seats and clubhouse access as a “special instructor” to my new brother in law.

    Only problem is I don’t technically have a “sister”

  62. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    You can’t just apply to another country and tell them you want a duel citizenship. A lot of things have to set it in motion, i.e.; place of your birth, place of one or both parents. One place that is possible is Israel, where those of confirmed Jewish faith can be granted a duel citzenship. Just moving to another country and saying you want to be a citizen won’t cut it. Maybe one person in a million would denounce their American citizenship to play a sport. Then, there would be issues with the State Department when trying to reenter the USA. Getting a work visa would take years.

  63. Erica - newly OPPC June 19th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    Bronx Jeers-

    Is Bryce Harper cute??? I could marry him and be your honorary sister. I always wanted a brother

  64. dennis-costanza June 19th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    SJ.

    If you have a moment can you please answer this question. How are the bonuses paid for draft picks? Are they paid quickly? Is it a lump sum? Is the cash deferred? Just really curious. Thanks in advance.

    -dennis

  65. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    For those that are bored and are tired of trying to think of ways to get Harper onto the Yankees and bypassing the draft, here’s a link to some interesting videos and articles on Pat Venditte. Enjoy.

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....;fext=.jsp

  66. Stultus Magnus June 19th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    “Only problem is I don’t technically have a ‘sister’”

    Then you and he can go to Massachusetts…

  67. SJ44 June 19th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    Dennis,

    It varies from team to team. Some teams pay it all upon signing. Other teams spread it out.

    Sometimes, you get some of the money 30-60 days after signing, another 20% in November, and the balance by June 1 of the following year.

    The teams have the latitude in terms of how they want to pay it out. The bonus however is guaranteed to the player, regardless of injury or performance.

  68. Tom in N.J June 19th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    My best friend in high school renounced his U.S. citizenship when he turned 18.

    He then left for Cyprus where he joined the army to fight the Turkish Cypriot separatists.

    I havn’t spoken to him in over 10 years.

  69. dennis-costanza June 19th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    Thanks SJ.

    Have a good weekend.

    -dennis

  70. Someone Else June 19th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    Anyone who thinks the Yankees ‘mailed it in’ is absolutely off their rocker, and I sincerely question their ability to reason at a level higher than borderline idiocy.

    In baseball, if you try to hard, you fail. Badly. ‘Pressing’ is a sure fire way to get absolutely manhandled.

    This ain’t football. If you want to watch football, pop in a DVD of the 2008 Super Bowl.

  71. Bill June 19th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    Kind of odd line of questions from Colin Cowherd to Torri Hunter. Asked him about ARod’s slump, Gardner’s catch. Hunter has his own game to play. Also told Hunter, in regards to BG’s catch, “In 10 years we’ll be talking about him the way we talk about you”. Hunter kind of speechless. C’mon Colin, I like BG but comparing him to Hunter?

  72. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    dennis-costanza
    June 19th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
    “attendance” sorry for the typo. GB7 is rubbing off.

    ————————————————————

    That’s really unfair. You said you’d treat me like a brother. Now, I understand what you meant. Blame brother for the broken window or typos.

    This is why I wanted to be an only child.

  73. Bronx Jeers June 19th, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    Stultus Magnus June 19th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    “Only problem is I don’t technically have a ‘sister’”

    Then you and he can go to Massachusetts…

    —————————————————————-

    As long as he doesn’t make me sign a pre-nup. I want my half of that bonus!

  74. CB June 19th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    dennis,

    Good afternoon. Hope your day is going well.

    It’s a strange year due to the economy and some teams are going to have to make very tough decisions and do so very quickly.

    I saw over at MLBTR that Buster Olney is reporting that should the A’s want to trade Holliday they might need to pick up some of his salary. That’s a tough market.

    The point you make on the disparities between divisions and its impact on the trade market is a very good one. The disparity between the AL east and the rest of the league has perhaps never been greater.

    What team in the AL West or AL central is really definitively “out of it?” especially now with the tigers coming back to the pack.

    Some teams are going to make their fans very unhappy because there’s dual forces at play – the economy and the low-level parity in most of the divisions.

  75. Stultus Magnus June 19th, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    “As long as he doesn’t make me sign a pre-nup. I want my half of that bonus!”

    Ha! Sorry, I thought I went overboard there.

  76. bewwie June 19th, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    Mike Francesa on the warpath
    unfortunately he is right.

  77. Doris from Rego Park June 19th, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    Picked up an iPhone 3Gs today… walked past the apple store on 5th (about 200 people on line) and found an ATT Wireless with no line at all. Its pretty cool

  78. dennis-costanza June 19th, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    GB7. LOL.

    My bad. I am in the oil business so it is never our fault. I guess it is rubbing off on me after 15 years in the industry..

    -dennis

  79. Doris from Rego Park June 19th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    Francessa sounds like Giradi slept with his sister… I am slightly disturned that I find myself agreeing with him though.

  80. Erica - newly OPPC June 19th, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    Thank you Someone Else-

    I haven’t been called an idiot yet today. Its always appreciated when someone makes that effort. I do admit to being slightly off my rocker on occasion though.

    I am not saying the Yanks mailed it in exactly. But their intensity definitely wasn’t there either.

    Unless you think the problem in that 2nd inning when they saw a whole 5 pitches was that they were trying too hard

  81. m June 19th, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    I don’t think they mailed it in. That would imply that they didn’t care.

    Possible factors in the losses:

    -They weren’t pumped up. I know, lame. But they do get worked up for the important ones. Don’t bring up Boston, that’s just a lot of bad hops, a lot of those games were in their grasp.

    -Jeter wasn’t in the lineup for the last 2 games.

    -Alex is struggling. Not pinning it on him, but he’s the main cog.

    -Nats got good performances out of their pitchers. Yes, the Yankees made them look like Cy Youngs out there. But the kids kept the ball around the plate, very few walks.

    -The delays and the weather did not help at all. That’s one of the detriments of having old team. Is Ensure a banned substance?

  82. Fran (the original) and OPPC member June 19th, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    “Anyone who thinks the Yankees ‘mailed it in’ is absolutely off their rocker, and I sincerely question their ability to reason at a level higher than borderline idiocy.”

    I don’t think that is a necessary response. People are entitled to their opinions.

  83. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    dennis-costanza
    June 19th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
    GB7. LOL.

    My bad. I am in the oil business so it is never our fault. I guess it is rubbing off on me after 15 years in the industry..

    -dennis

    ————————————————————

    Afternoon, Dennis. Hope all is well at your end with you and The Lady. For her sake, I hope she’s not a Red sox fan. I hate to see women cry. Have a great weekend.

  84. Fran (the original) and OPPC member June 19th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    Erica, I like your point about if the Yanks have never seen the pitcher before they should be taking pitches to see what he throws,not hacking away at the 1st pitch.

  85. Erica - newly OPPC June 19th, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    Fran-

    I don’t care that he called me an idiot. If someone who doesn’t even have the nerve to use their name wants to resort to name calling- its all good.

    And I have been called much worse in my life :-)

  86. sounds angry June 19th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    Francesa sounds angry- He is probably sick of watching this team not play up to their abilities. If Girardi cannot get the team to play at least up to their talent level maybe its time for a change.The leader has to be accountable for performance

  87. SJ44 June 19th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    Money is affecting every team in baseball this year. Even the Yankees.

    Most of the teams in the game have significant cash flow problems. Its affecting the way they do their baseball business.

    Some teams have wiped out advance scouting all together, preferring to just take the games off the dish and file reports from TV feeds.

    Others have told GM’s they will take on no additional salary this year, making trades less likely to occur.

    Some owners have told GM’s to get rid of certain high priced guys no matter what. Meaning, some GM’s may make deals at the deadline that don’t add up to the calibur of player being dealt. Its strictly a cash dump, and that’s if they can even make that kind of deal in this market.

    A lot of the signing bonuses for recently drafted players have been spread out over a few years, rather than being paid upfront, as its always been done. That’s an indication of some cash flow problems for teams.

    Money, and not players, are going to dictate what happens at the trade deadline this year

    Don’t expect the Yankees to take on bad contracts to get help at the deadline. That ain’t happenin’. Those days are gone.

  88. Erica - newly OPPC June 19th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    Thank you Fran-

    I am not saying they should actually go up to the plate and swing at the ball, but even then they might see a few more pitches than hacking away at the first pitch thrown. A 5 pitch inning is rather embarrassing.

    I got out of my car right as the Yankees were coming up to bat that inning. By the time I got upstairs to my apartment and turned on the TV, the Nats were batting again. LOL

  89. Fran (the original) and OPPC member June 19th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    Erica,

    LOL. Same here :)

  90. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    Ecept for two hitters and maybe three games, nobody on the Yankees is hitting. The have two player hitting over .300 in June and only three hitting over .250. No….it’s not because of one player. It’s a team wide slump. Strangely, the entire Yankee system is in a hitting slump.

  91. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    ***Except*** for two hitters

  92. SJ44 June 19th, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    Yeah, let’s fire the manager for a bad week of play. Makes perfect sense for the talk radio crowd. But, no sense for anybody else.

    Tell me, where is this, “they play like this all the time” stuff coming from? Do any of you who constantly whine about this team remember anything but the prior game.

    They DON’T play like this all the time. If they did, they wouldn’t be in the position they are in right now.

    They have been in games all season. That doesn’t happen to teams that “mail it in”.

    They played badly on this homestand. While some of you may be suicidal about it, its not grounds for the manager to be fired.

  93. Ed H. June 19th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    charleston2
    June 19th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
    He can do whatever he wants.
    There is no such thing as “unethical.”
    Things are only unethical insofar as you consider them to be. And that’s only within your mind.
    ——————-

    Boy, am I glad that I don’t have any personal or business dealings with you.

  94. vb03 - Save the Wanger, Save the Season June 19th, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    George would have exploded by now. Sadly, those days are gone and accountability’s gone down the toilet in New York.

  95. Paco Dooley June 19th, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    Let’s hope he doesn’t embarrass the team by wearing that dopey eye black. Does he think that looks cool? Very sad…

  96. m June 19th, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    SJ44,

    Girardi should be fired. Being in the lead for the wild card is NOT enough.

  97. Tom K June 19th, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    Whenever you think your favorite team should win a game and they don’t, it may feel like they weren’t trying, or they “mailed it in”. I find that a bit hard to believe, personally.

    The pitcher they saw last night looked about as ordinary as a pitcher can look. There is no excuse for losing to him other than baseball is a weird game sometimes.

    But the constant talk about Lannan is funny to me – this guy has pitched strong games for 1 1/2 years now. It should come to no surprise that he is capable of throwing a strong game.

    The Saturday game vs. Nieve? I am not sure what is hard to believe about that game – the guy was throwing 94 MPH fastballs at the corners. If you can do that, you can shut down any lineup and he did. It’s unlikely he’ll do it again tonight, but sometimes you run into that strong-armed pitcher who puts it all together for one game. If you run Brett Tomko out there 30 times a year, he probably throws a game like that once or twice. The Yankees just happened to be the team that caught Nieve on a day where things clicked for him. I went into that game expecting a rout – by the end of the second inning, I was worried because the kid was throwing lasers right on the edges.

    In baseball, you usually aren’t as good as a 20-9 run indicates. You usually aren’t as bad as when you go through a 3-6 period. It’s a game of highs and lows…the Yankees are experiencing a low.

    As for Tex, anyone expecting him to continue to hit as he was when he was scorching hot cannot possibly be a fan of baseball.

  98. SJ44 June 19th, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    How do you know there is no accountability?

    Another Post-’96 fan.

    Go back and look at the Yankees from 1982-1990 and tell me how George’s explosions helped the team.

    They turned around the franchise AFTER George got kicked out of baseball for the second time. That wasn’t a coincidence.

    He ran the franchise into the ground with his impulse moves and his rants.

    Entertaining? Absolutely. Good for the organization? Absolutely not.

  99. In games? June 19th, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    being “in games” is a great cliche for mediocre teams who are trying to play with the best clubs. With the team the and lineup the Yanks put on the field this year, and last year being “in games” is not enough. Sorry.
    They have hung into the race in the East because Boston struggled early and Tampa had injuries. The team on paper is one of the top 2 or 3 teams in baseball but playing like a middle of the pack team for the last two seasons

  100. Bronx Jeers June 19th, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    “Some teams have wiped out advance scouting all together, preferring to just take the games off the dish and file reports from TV feeds.”

    If they don’t hit West tonight you could make a case the Yanks are getting theirs off SportsCenter.

  101. Erica - newly OPPC June 19th, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    You play to win the division. Absolutely.
    But I will be honest, as long as my TV is viewing Yankee baseball in October, I won’t lose sleep if they are the Wild Card

  102. Scorch June 19th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    “-They weren’t pumped up. I know, lame. But they do get worked up for the important ones. Don’t bring up Boston, that’s just a lot of bad hops, a lot of those games were in their grasp.”

    Isn’t this the same as mailing it in? They thought they could just show up and win and they got complacent?

  103. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    One other thing about Harper. He’s not of legal age to make such a decision, since it would have to be done with his parents written consent.

  104. vb03 - Save the Wanger, Save the Season June 19th, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    The sweep at the hands of the Red Sox sent this team into a tailspin. The Red Sox are probably snickering at how easily the Yankees are unnerved every time they play and promptly get swept by Boston.

  105. SJ44 June 19th, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    Tom,

    The perenially whiney on here can’t accept the fact that baseball isn’t college football. In college football, David never beats Goliath. That’s why Top 10 teams schedule patsies for their first and second games.

    A pitcher for ANY team can shut a team down for a game.

    Even the ’62 Mets, a HORRIBLE team, won 40 games.

    It happens. Nobody likes it when it does but, it happens.

    All you can do is turn the page and move on.

  106. Mike June 19th, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    Just like last year… “It’s early”, “It’s May”, “It’s June”

    Got late kind of early didn’t it?

  107. Cross T June 19th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    “The sweep at the hands of the Red Sox sent this team into a tailspin. The Red Sox are probably snickering at how easily the Yankees are unnerved every time they play and promptly get swept by Boston.”

    Agree. Shows how fragile the team is.

  108. Erica - newly OPPC June 19th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    Well said SJ44-

    Lets forget Washington and deal with Florida now

  109. SJ44 June 19th, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    Or, the Red Sox could be saying, “We’ve beaten these guys all 8 times we’ve played them this year and are only ahead of them by 3 games”. That’s not good if you are a Red Sox fan.

    Fans believe that a team is in another teams head. Players don’t believe that stuff.

    That’s why they play and we watch.

  110. For Tom K June 19th, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    hey Tom,

    We can make all the excuses we want as Yankee fans but the bottom line is this. They lost two out of three to the worst team in baseball. The scored 7 runs in 3 games against a team with the worst pitching staff statistically in baseball. Thats a fact. Only a missed ball in CF by Nats and late innning magic saved them from a sweep.

  111. G. Love June 19th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    Calling for Girardi’s head doesn’t make any sense.

    This team has had these problems for years.

    A game against a pitcher they’ve never seen before? They get shut down.

    Rain delay games push back the start time? They mail it in.

    My theory is the team has an inability to deal with things messing up their schedule or routine.

    Maybe it’s because they all have dinner reservations or dates later that night, but when the team gets a significant rain delay they seem to play the game like they are half asleep.

    Losing 2 of 3 to the Nats is a disgrace. Sugar coat it all you want and say it’s a mini-slump and it’s a long season but it’s still a disgrace.

    That team had no business beating the Yankees the way they did this week.

    That’s not Girardi’s fault. That’s the hitters fault.

    What’s maddening about this team is how if no one hits, no one hits. If someone hits, everyone hits.

    It’s like they all share one brain.

    The pitchers did well this series. Well enough to win.

    If the hitters can’t get amped enough to hit against the worst team in the league then it’s the same old problem we’ve seen with this team for the past few years.

    The only difference is they don’t seem to get amped enough to hit against the best team in the league either.

    Arod’s struggles are a huge concern, but the rest of the team seems to be swinging for the fences. I think the fact that the ballpark plays so small is now in the heads of our hitters.

    Hopefully, the Marlins don’t win the series this weekend and the offense returns.

    Maybe being able to hit the Miami hotspots this weekend will give some of these guys incentive to win the game early.

    I don’t know. But I agree with people who said that if Castillo had not dropped the ball on Friday night, things would look much worse than they are.

    And as for Joba, I’m past the point of hearing there’s nothing wrong with him.

    He is not the same pitcher at all since that shoulder injury.

    It’s sad.

  112. SJ44 June 19th, 2009 at 2:18 pm

    Last year at this time, they weren’t leading for the WC or as close to first as they are right now. Three games out on June 19 is nothing.

    So, its not like last year.

    But, keep whining, I’m sure you will convince yourself they won’t win another game this year at this rate.

  113. vb03 - Save the Wanger, Save the Season June 19th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    “How do you know there is no accountability?

    Another Post-’96 fan.

    Go back and look at the Yankees from 1982-1990 and tell me how George’s explosions helped the team.

    They turned around the franchise AFTER George got kicked out of baseball for the second time. That wasn’t a coincidence.

    He ran the franchise into the ground with his impulse moves and his rants.

    Entertaining? Absolutely. Good for the organization? Absolutely not.”

    Sadly, I was a lot younger than even Jeffrey Maier pre-1996, so hopefully that is not held against me.

    I’m still looking for accountability. Listlessly losing 2/3 to the worst team in baseball means someone is not doing their job.

    When people don’t do their jobs, there should be consequences. That’s how things usually work in the workplace.

  114. m June 19th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    Okay, now we’re getting into semantics. You just get naturally pumped up for some series, not every series. Just because you don’t get pumped up doesn’t mean you mailed it in.

    Nationals=median.
    Red Sox=pumped up.
    Series in September when division & WC have already been determined=mailing it in.

  115. you gotta have faith (we need you wang!) June 19th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    ugh this past week has been kinda sucky in yankeeland, hopefully when they get past this slump they are in, they didnt dig that deap of a hole, for themselves.

    9 straight games in NL parks is also not going to help.

  116. SJ44 June 19th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    But, sniff, sniff, they lost to the Nationals…..

    So what? Do you really believe that has ANY bearing on the rest of the year?

    The Nationals are going to beat other teams this year. I don’t think those teams are going to decide the season is over.

    All you can do is go forward. You aren’t getting a do over for the Nationals series so, there is no sense crying about it.

  117. SJ44 June 19th, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    What accountability to you want? You want mass firings because they lost a June series to the Nationals.

    You know what good organizations do in the workplace?

    They don’t make panicked and emotional decisions that hurt the company.

    That’s called accountability. Not having fits or mass firings.

  118. m June 19th, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    Hide the knives, folks. There will be far more costly and embarrassing losses than the ones to the Nationals.

  119. Nick in SF in Dallas June 19th, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    “And I’m tired of how fans here treat starters not named CC & Joba.”

    Boo hoo!!!

  120. Lara08 June 19th, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    “When people don’t do their jobs, there should be consequences. That’s how things usually work in the workplace.”

    This ain’t Burger King after someone burned the fries. That mentality is good for a job where ANYONE can come in and do it.

  121. Erica - newly OPPC June 19th, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    I was very young, but I remember the 1982-1990 era. It was a time of going to the ballpark and having any section you wanted to yourself.

    I am always amazed when I see Righetti’s 7/4/83 no hitter against Boston on YES. It was a holiday vs Boston and the place was still empty

  122. Fran (the original) and OPPC member June 19th, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    “Lets forget Washington and deal with Florida now”

    I agree too. Let’s just move on. Can’t change the results of the Washington games. The Yanks have to concentrate on beating the Marlins.

  123. vin June 19th, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    Cashman/Steinbrenner should have blown up that crappy team that only won 1 game in its first 5 of the season – and that 1 win came in extra innings. That’s a 1-4 record, someone needed to be held accountable. When was that? Oh yeah, 1998.

  124. Steve B June 19th, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    “All you can do is go forward.”

    Seems about the same statement some issued this time last week. I know this team is better than their last 9 games, but wonder when THEY are going to go forward?

  125. SO BC45 June 19th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    When has this team shown any toughness this year?

    No… hitting walkoffs against teams with 1\2 of our talent and throwing pies et eachother like a bunch of idiots doesn’t count.

  126. vb03 - Save the Wanger, Save the Season June 19th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    “But, sniff, sniff, they lost to the Nationals…..

    So what? Do you really believe that has ANY bearing on the rest of the year?

    The Nationals are going to beat other teams this year. I don’t think those teams are going to decide the season is over.

    All you can do is go forward. You aren’t getting a do over for the Nationals series so, there is no sense crying about it.”

    It’s simply a terrible sign to be playing down to the level of a historically bad team.

    If there is little to no accountability, you’re basically saying there are no consequences to losing, even to the worst team in baseball.

    They’re already 0-8 against their division rival and now have been humiliated at home by a previously 16-45 team.

    What message does that send? It’s a sign that something is wrong.

    End of the world? No. Foreboding sign of terrible inconsistency? Yes.

  127. Papa Smurf June 19th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    Cashman should be fired he has done a horrible job. Bring back Stick!!!!

  128. vinny-b (I believe in Nick Swisher) June 19th, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    “Girardi should be fired. Being in the lead for the wild card is NOT enough”

    LMAO

  129. Dan June 19th, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    “Seems about the same statement some issued this time last week. I know this team is better than their last 9 games, but wonder when THEY are going to go forward?”

    That’s the big question. We don’t know WHEN they will break out of their slump. They couldn’t hit the Nationals pitchers, why should we feel they can hit the Marlins pitchers?

    We know this team will turn it around, but until they do, how can we be confident?

  130. Erica - newly OPPC June 19th, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    SO BC45
    June 19th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
    When has this team shown any toughness this year?

    ****
    Over 20 of their 37 wins have been comebackers. If that’s not toughness- you are a ridiculously harsh judge. This team does play to the 27th out. I give tons of credit for that

  131. you gotta have faith (we need you wang!) June 19th, 2009 at 2:30 pm

    arod is either hurting, or just in a bad slump, probably both. i really hope he can get through the rest of the season, i dont expect him to put up amazing numbers but this team needs him.

  132. G. Love June 19th, 2009 at 2:30 pm

    vb03,

    You can’t look for accountability or hand wringing from this group.

    We’ve seen this from this team before in the past years.

    They have a stretch where they get into “cap tipping” mode at the other team and it’s pitchers when our hitters collectively tank a series.

    I know, it’s maddening to watch and witness as a fan but that’s this team.

    I’m still waiting to see that “fire” that they want to destroy the opposition like it’s personal. I’ve seen glimpses of it in Tex this season and you always see it in Jorge. I’ve even seen it in Melky this season at points.

    I just think a lot of guys know it’s a long season and play with the comfort that each game isn’t the 7th game of the WS and sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.

    That still doesn’t make losing 2 of 3 to the Nats okay in my book.

    If this team ever played consistently to their potential they would win 110 games easy.

  133. sab June 19th, 2009 at 2:30 pm

    i guess for some people being out 3 games in september is ok as long as the yankees have 4 games left…yes its only june but the same issues they had last year are evident this year… oh and the yankees haven’t played good fundamental baseball in quite sometime – regardless of the fact that they are “only” 3 games out and in the lead of the WC..

    look at all of the base running errors they have made – getting thrown out at second or third after getting a big hit, sleep walking and getting doubled off 1st and 2nd when someone hits a line drive out IN FRONT OF THEM, getting caught talking to the 3rd base coach when NOT standing on the base –

    I mean its not even just the players that are sleepwalking – its the coaches too..

    if they lose tonight the apologists will come on and say that they had a late plane ride and didn’t get enough sleep – well the marlins got to miami MUCH LATER than the yankees so that kind of kills that excuse…

    slump or no slump you do not lose 2 games to the nationals and especially getting shut out in one of them by a pitcher who had a close to 6 ERA and DIDN’T HAVE A WIN SO FAR THIS YEAR….

  134. vb03 - Save the Wanger, Save the Season June 19th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    “What accountability to you want? You want mass firings because they lost a June series to the Nationals.

    You know what good organizations do in the workplace?

    They don’t make panicked and emotional decisions that hurt the company.

    That’s called accountability. Not having fits or mass firings.”

    It’s probably true a lot of the time that fans care more than the players themselves. That’s why people snap on here, I’m guilty of that, especially now.

    It’s not impossible that they pick it up and move on.

    However, the fact that they are even capable of playing this type of ugly baseball should not be ignored. This is very concerning IMO, even if some only call it a slump.

    Even a slumping Yankee team shouldn’t lose 2/3 to a dead-last Nationals team dragging themselves into New York.

    Oh well.

  135. Cycle June 19th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    Girardi doesn’t take blame for the team not showing up 4 out of the last 5 games?

    Isn’t it his job to get the team ready to play? Did you think we saw good effort last night?

    I understand it is a sad state of affairs when we need to ask a $200 million dollar team with all-star talent at every position to play hard every game… but isin’t that with the manager is for?

  136. Lara08 June 19th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    There is no medium with some of you. If people aren’t jumping off the bridge they are blind apologists.

    Its the either/ or fallacy.

  137. Steve B June 19th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    “Over 20 of their 37 wins have been comebackers. If that’s not toughness- you are a ridiculously harsh judge. This team does play to the 27th out. I give tons of credit for that”

    This one’s getting a little stale for me. You can only come from behind if you fall behind, which the Yankees seem to do at an alarming rate (they’ve trailed at some point in 51 of their 66 games). Why can’t this “toughness” manifest itself in the early innings?

  138. m June 19th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    Why don’t we just exchange managers with the Nats and have a race of futility for the #1 overall draft pick?

  139. Brandon 5 Cena ZEEEEEEROOOO "Because I'm AWESOME !" June 19th, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    When did our fanbase become this whiney :?

  140. Erica - newly OPPC June 19th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    Steve B-

    Okay, so its better to curl into a ball and wither away if they don’t score first?

  141. Shrek June 19th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    Irony. You whining about someone whining

  142. SJ44 June 19th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    Payroll has nothing to do with perfomance. Just because the payroll is large, it doesn’t guarantee you anything.

    I would rather save season post mordems until after the season.

    Especially since most who insist on doing it here in season have not shown to be very accurate in their predictions.

  143. William Buckner June 19th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    If at any point this year someone is “held accountable” I hope its Dave Eiland.

    I do think it’s a problem that the pitching on this team doesn’t throw strikes.

    Now, in reality I know Dave Eiland can’t make them, but as the saying goes, you can’t fire the team.

    Maybe Eiland is having trouble connecting to this group?

  144. vb03 - Save the Wanger, Save the Season June 19th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    “I’m still waiting to see that “fire” that they want to destroy the opposition like it’s personal. I’ve seen glimpses of it in Tex this season and you always see it in Jorge. I’ve even seen it in Melky this season at points.”

    Looking for the “fire” in a team seems cliche and maybe the concept is not even real, but you do like to see a team fired up and carry this attitude onto the field. Play with a mean streak and beat the teams they are supposed to.

    The last thing a fan wants to see is their team looking like zombies at the plate against various slop pitchers from a dead last NL team.

  145. Steve B June 19th, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    “Okay, so its better to curl into a ball and wither away if they don’t score first?”

    Nah. They tried that last night and it wasn’t all that satisifying. I’d settle for not falling behind all the flippin’ time.

  146. Lara08 June 19th, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    Payroll argument is a joke and its a sure-fire sign to not engage in someone who mentions it as a reason why a team or player should play a certain way.

    You are worth what someone is willing to pay you. No more and certainly no less. I can’t run a four minute mile and someone paying me a million dollars won’t change that.

  147. William Buckner June 19th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    For all the wallowing here, it’s the same team that won 10 straight less then a month ago.

  148. Erica - newly OPPC June 19th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    Steve B
    June 19th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
    “Okay, so its better to curl into a ball and wither away if they don’t score first?”

    Nah. They tried that last night and it wasn’t all that satisifying. I’d settle for not falling behind all the flippin’ time.

    *****
    Hahaha. Yes, I agree. That certainly would be most ideal.

    As much as I love the late inning theatrics, I am also not against scoring in innings 1-6

  149. SJ44 June 19th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    “When did our fan base become so whiney”?,…

    Brandon,

    Since 2004. That’s when the bandwagoners from 1998 got a wet blanket thrown into their faces. It was no longer “cool” to be a Yankee fan because they choked.

    Since then, large segments of the fan base are just a bunch of crybabies. Nothing makes them happy.

    If they aren’t wire to wire winners. Fire everybody.

    If they aren’t ahead for ALL 9 innings of a game? Fire everybody.

    If a player doesn’t come through 100%? Boo him until you lose your voice. They tell us after all, its their “right” as a fan.

    If they lose, its the end of the world.

    If they win? Its dissected to the point where these folks convince themselves they actually lost the game.

    NOBODY is happy they lost 2 of 3 to the Nationals. However, its not an indication of what the next 90+ games are going to be.

    The same folks whining today are the same people who declared Tex and Sabathia busts in April and declared the season “over” at that time.

    They are playing bad baseball right now. Odds are pretty strong this won’t be a season long deal.

    If it is, THEN whine about it.

    Now? You just sound like a crybaby.

  150. Joe I June 19th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    “When did our fanbase become this whiney”

    2004, just as a certain caveman CF was rounding the bases.

  151. Lara08 June 19th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    These are the people who can’t take the good with the bad, the fair-weather fans.

    They think because you aren’t whining that the team doesn’t care and don’t know how to play then you’re blind.

    All this baseball knowledge but most of these folks are too dumb to get paid for it. Instead they give it away for free on the Internet and sports talk radio.

    And I’m not talking about fans just simply talking plays and strategy. I’m talking the ones who don’t believe its a simple matter of a lack of execution on the part of the players. They actually believe the managers, coaches and players just don’t know. But they, the ones who sit on their couch picking potato chip crumbs out of their belly buttons do know.

    But these are the same people that will say, “Why didn’t the Yankees…” without realizing before that situation or play is even a possibility a number of other things must first happen.

  152. Erica - newly OPPC June 19th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    Sj44-

    You forgot something important.

    If a player in a position is underperforming you have to immediate make a trade and get someone better (but then complain loudly that your farm system sucks after you’ve traded all of the best prospects) :-)

    Other than that- well said

  153. vinny-b (I believe in Nick Swisher) June 19th, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    “Why don’t we just exchange managers with the Nats and have a race of futility for the #1 overall draft pick”

    on that note. Lot of crack-heads on the site, today

  154. Lara08 June 19th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    And every time a pitchers dominate the Yankees the first thing they want to know is “Is this guy available?”

  155. vb03 - Save the Wanger, Save the Season June 19th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    It also gets old that people who raise points about how the team is flawed are always labeled as post-96 fans, bandwagoners, or fair weather fans.

    There are numerous issues especially after losing 2/3 to the freaking Nationals. The ineptitude exhibited during this series cannot, and shouldn’t be ignored.

  156. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    I haven’t seen this many mass internet suicides since 2006 when the Yanks lost 2 of 3 to the Nats. Most of this year;s suicide casualties are the sames offing themselves now. I had no idea that there could be this many Lazzerus revivals. God does work in mysterious ways.

  157. Papa Smurf June 19th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    If the yankees dont win a world series this year. It’s time to break up there core. I would not resign Jeter after his contract expires. Get rid of the aging catcher who has a noodle as an arm. Pettitte is washed up this will be his last season.

    The yankees need new blood!

  158. SJ44 June 19th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    Ok, courtesy of the Kay Show to put once and for all the Urban Legend that the Yankees “don’t beat pitchers they have never met”, under Joe Girardi, the Yankees are 26-12 against first time pitchers they have faced.

    26-12. Much like the “Its all Posada’s fault” debate with the pitchers, facing first time pitchers under Girardi has not hurt the Yankees as much as folks think.

  159. Lara08 June 19th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    Who ignored it? I think everyone acknowledged that losing to the Nationals is something that is okay.

  160. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    Most of this ***year’s*** suicide casualties are the ***same ones*** offing

  161. Lara08 June 19th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    is *NOT* okay.

  162. Lara08 June 19th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    Ah, GB7 is here.

    I’m blaming the typos on on the CSM. Were you a CSM GB7?

  163. Papa Smurf June 19th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    The red sox has Bucholtz, Hunter Jones and Bowden waiting in wings. Our stud young pitcher cant throw strikes and his losing his velocity. Francesa is right

    Zach McAllister better be the real deal.

  164. NYY626 June 19th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    Break up the old core. Cause those guys surely dont want to win. GENIUS IDEA.

  165. NYY626 June 19th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    Break up the old core. Cause those guys surely dont want to win. GENIUS IDEA.

  166. Erica - newly OPPC June 19th, 2009 at 2:56 pm

    Losing to the Nationals sucks. Its embarrassing and it shouldn’t have happened. But it happens

    But I am still a Yankee fan. I am not going to stop cheering this team. I am not going to lose sleep. I am not going to kill myself. I am not going to propose trades. I am not goign to demand for everyone to be fired. I am not going to declare the 2009 season over on June 19th when the team is only 3 games out.

    Lets keep some perspective here.

  167. SJ44 June 19th, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    Again, what do you want them to do????

    You keep whining but, where are the solutions?

    Do you want GB to come up from Savannah, AK-47 in hand, and have mass executions?

    Do you want the entire staff fired?

    Do you want every player traded or issue an apology to you.

    You keep saying it, “can’t be ignored”. Guess what? Yes it can because they have another game tonight!

    That’s how it works in baseball. You don’t have time to cry or celebrate the last game. You move onto the next game.

    EVERY team in baseball, yes even the Red Sox, are flawed this year. Its just that teams like the Red Sox and Yankees for example are LESS flawed than most of the other teams in the game. That’s why they are where they are in the standings at this time.

    Baseball is a marathon, not a sprint. Most of the crybabies on here see each game as the “biggest game of the year”. Its not.

    You can’t predict ANYTHING off the Nationals series.

    The Yankees had losing records to 100+ loss Devil Rays teams when they were winning championships.

    In 2000, they lost 15 of their last 18 games leading into the post-season. They only won 87 games that year. Guess what? They won the World Series.

    My point? Its a LONG season. Don’t get caught up in the small stuff.

  168. sab June 19th, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    if you’re going to state that the Kay show gave us that 26-12 stat – then you have to mention that they did admit that they aren’t sure if those 26 wins actually came from beating the first time pitcher or beating the bullpen arms that came AFTER – that were probably not too good…

    see you look like a genious when you proclaim something if you conveniently forget to mention the whole story…

  169. chambliss June 19th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    Yankee fans are spoiled. Plain and simple. In some ways, the best thing that could happen would be to finish out of the playoffs for a few years. It would be painful, but it would get rid of the lightweight fans.

  170. vb03 - Save the Wanger, Save the Season June 19th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    SJ,

    You make too much sense. I need to get off the blog and calm down for a bit lol.

  171. SJ44 June 19th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    Yeah, Hunter Jones is unstoppable! lol Even Bowden is thought by some as an overrated prospect.

    The dangers of listening to Mike Francesa.

    Too funny.

  172. vinny-b (I believe in Nick Swisher) June 19th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    “Again, what do you want them to do????

    You keep whining but, where are the solutions?

    Do you want GB to come up from Savannah, AK-47 in hand, and have mass executions?

    Do you want the entire staff fired?

    Do you want every player traded or issue an apology to you.

    You keep saying it, “can’t be ignored”. Guess what? Yes it can because they have another game tonight!

    That’s how it works in baseball. You don’t have time to cry or celebrate the last game. You move onto the next game.

    EVERY team in baseball, yes even the Red Sox, are flawed this year. Its just that teams like the Red Sox and Yankees for example are LESS flawed than most of the other teams in the game. That’s why they are where they are in the standings at this time.

    Baseball is a marathon, not a sprint. Most of the crybabies on here see each game as the “biggest game of the year”. Its not.

    You can’t predict ANYTHING off the Nationals series.

    The Yankees had losing records to 100+ loss Devil Rays teams when they were winning championships.

    In 2000, they lost 15 of their last 18 games leading into the post-season. They only won 87 games that year. Guess what? They won the World Series.

    My point? Its a LONG season. Don’t get caught up in the small stuff

    co-signed

  173. Stultus Magnus June 19th, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    “But, sniff, sniff, they lost to the Nationals…..
    So what? Do you really believe that has ANY bearing on the rest of the year?”

    Well, we don’t know that now, do we?? Can we come back to you SJ and tally the amount of times you said “it doesn’t matter, it’s one game” at the end of the season if they miss the playoffs by a few games??

    Like I said before, I hope the Yanks don’t get into panic mode of Deborah (with CAPS) *OR* the it’s just one game/one series/one week/ooops it’s just one season mode of SJ44. Address the weaknesses and make adjustments.

    Same old crap from the same old haters and bashers. When some of the more intelligent posters here have nothing intelligent to say, they just start railing on the critics.

    I’m not even that upset about this past series, but it is just ridiculous that people get the “still plenty of season left” every freaking day. That’s almost as annoying as the everyday whiners.

  174. Joe I June 19th, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    “Do you want GB to come up from Savannah, AK-47 in hand, and have mass executions?”

    Only when Boston is in town, and he shoots the other guys!”

  175. SJ44 June 19th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    26-12 is 26-12, isn’t it? It means they have won the games.

    Isn’t that the bottom line?

    All of this handwringing about facing first time pitchers gets debunked with that record.

    Now, you want to dig deeper to see if its legit, be my guest.

    Fact is though, they are winning almost 70% of their games under Girardi when facing a pitcher for the first time.

  176. Stultus Magnus June 19th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    “Most of the crybabies on here see each game as the ‘biggest game of the year’.”

    According to you, SJ, that game doesn’t exist.

    Well, unless it’s game 7 of the WS.

  177. LGJ June 19th, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    Last time I checked baseball was a game and like any game you are only as good as your last pitch, your last catch and last hit. Playing baseball is fun. Watching baseball is fun. Yes we bemoan a poor at bat, a wild pitch or an error. But the best thing is that there’s another game. Winning is fun and losing sucks. But it is a game and I think one of the best games there is.

    It takes intelligence to play baseball. Hitting a round bat against a round ball takes tremendous skill. You don’t get a hit every time at bat. That is why getting a hit in less than one-third your opportunities is considered good.

    I would have loved to play pro ball but I was not good enough. I cannot imagine a pro just mailing it in. I can imagine being worn out and tired and seemingly going through the motions. But that too should be a matter of conditioning. Like I said would have loved to play ball, but was not good enough. Probably not good enough to manage either or for that matter be a GM.

    But I love my Yankees, was born in the shadow of that old stadium and could never root for anyone else. And I root for the team and the players. I don’t root against them. I root against the opposition. Positive rooting.

    That’s my rant. Enjoy the game. It is special.

  178. mark June 19th, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    Let me get this straight. So when a team is in a slump there are certain teams they should still beat but others it’s okay? Should teams that beat teams that beat us be able to beat us?

    The Mets should have had 2 out of 3 from us. Does that mean someone who beats the Mets definitely beats us?

    The Nationals swept the Mets.

    So please just shut up.

  179. Doreen June 19th, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    “Even a slumping Yankee team shouldn’t lose 2/3 to a dead-last Nationals team dragging themselves into New York”

    vb03 -

    The very definition of a slumping team, Yankees or otherwise, to me, is precisely a team that loses 2/3 to a team they would normally beat. :)

    Come from behind wins: How is that not a good thing? I don’t want to go back and see, but it doesn’t mean they were very far behind each game, having to score 3, 4 or more runs in the last 2 or 3 innings to win. And it doesn’t meant they did it late all the time.

    Sure, it’d be nice if they had more games where they had the lead and kept it and the game is never in question. I like those games, too, and there have been some and there will be more. But baseball gives you a ton of variety. And frankly, come from behind, late inning wins are not only fun to watch, but give you hope for the season that even if your team is down in the late innings, the otucome is not pre-destined to be a loss.

  180. Lara08 June 19th, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    I can only imagine this blog in 2000 when they won under 90 games.

  181. SJ44 June 19th, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    If the team goes into the dumps for the rest of the year, buy all means bring it on.

    Conversely, if they turn it around and continue to play as well as they did prior to this homestand will the whiners go away or at least be quiet for awhile?

    Works both ways.

  182. SJ44 June 19th, 2009 at 3:05 pm

    by not buy. Sorry for the typo.

  183. Stultus Magnus June 19th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    “Ok, courtesy of the Kay Show to put once and for all the Urban Legend that the Yankees “don’t beat pitchers they have never met”, under Joe Girardi, the Yankees are 26-12 against first time pitchers they have faced.”

    Hmmmm, you can take numbers and situations and make whatever you want of it.

    SJ, thought you hated stats?

  184. mark June 19th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    That should say the Nationals beat the Mets not swept the Mets.

    So please shut up.

  185. Fran (the original) and OPPC member June 19th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    SJ, I know you live down in Florida on the East Coast. Are you going to any of the Yankee games this weekend?

  186. Doreen June 19th, 2009 at 3:08 pm

    mark –

    I LOVE your post – I just read it after mine posted. As you can see, I agree.

  187. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    Lara08
    June 19th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
    Ah, GB7 is here.

    I’m blaming the typos on on the CSM. Were you a CSM GB7?

    ————————————————————

    I’ve decided to quit saying these are typos. I’m claiming that they’re typed in code to protect our agents.

  188. SJ44 June 19th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    That’s not a stat, its a fact. Sorry if the facts get into the way of the whining on here today.

    Fran,

    I’m going to all three games this weekend. Right now, its pouring in Palm Beach County, about 40 minutes north of the stadium.

    Hopefully, the rain gets out of the area now and doesn’t delay the game.

  189. Erica - newly OPPC June 19th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    new thread btw

  190. Doreen June 19th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    I only correct typos that change the meaning of what I meant to type – like leaving out a word. Otherwise, I don’t bother. I’m sure you guys have gotten that ubiquitous e-mail, the “can you read this” one, where all the words are misspelled and you can read every word? Most people will automatically figure out what the words are based on context.

    Now, I know that could be a dangerous thing here. :lol:

  191. Fran (the original) and OPPC member June 19th, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    SJ, Have fun. I hope you bring them good luck:)

  192. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    Lara08
    June 19th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
    Ah, GB7 is here.

    I’m blaming the typos on on the CSM. Were you a CSM GB7?

    ————————————————————

    Yes, I retired as a CSM. Living proof of how life is imitating baseball. To paraphrase the immortal Joaquin; “Life and baseball can be summed up in two words… ***You never know*** .

  193. Stultus Magnus June 19th, 2009 at 3:15 pm

    “That’s not a stat, its a fact. Sorry if the facts get into the way of the whining on here today.”

    *Like you said*, you can take numbers and situations and make what you want of them.

    What a hypocrite. You just quote the “facts”, the others are just using a stat to their advantage…

    Start talking smart again. With your insider knowledge, I don’t expect the senseless drivel from you. But my expectations are pretty much dashed every day.

    Meet SJ44 when he’s bored.

  194. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2009 at 3:16 pm

    Joe I
    June 19th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
    “Do you want GB to come up from Savannah, AK-47 in hand, and have mass executions?”

    Only when Boston is in town, and he shoots the other guys!”

    ————————————————————

    I couldn’t do that. I can’t stand the sight of blood. I guess I could close my eyes first.

  195. Wave Your Hat June 19th, 2009 at 3:17 pm

    I’d say coming here just to worry we are going to get swept or just to worry we aren’t tough enough because we don’t always bury teams early deserves a kangaroo court fine of at least a box of moose bars.

  196. SJ44 June 19th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    Oh, stop accting like a baby. You don’t like the posts, ignore them.

    We have more crybabies spewing absolute nonsense on here everyday and most of the people here are sick of it.

    If you aren’t, more power to you.

    Here is an “insider tip” for you.

    You aren’t going to tell me what I can and cannot write on here.

    You got a beef, take it up with Pete.

    Even he gets sick of some of the stupidity that takes place on here at times. Its boring.

  197. Stultus Magnus June 19th, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    SJ44, tell a story about the draft process, write something interesting.

    Thanks!

  198. Stultus Magnus June 19th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    Take it up with Pete, that’s all you got? Pathetic, man. I can ignore your dumb rants just about as well as you can ignore the ones you trounce.

    The sad thing is I like your posts. Just not when you are whining about the whiners. And for the most part, people DO ignore them. You do not and keep the negativity and bashing flowing.

  199. Shanahan June 19th, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    That’s not a stat, its a fact…
    _______________

    Uhhh…(scratches head…)

    Aren’t they the same thing?

    Isn’t that just like saying “That’s not a fish, it’s a trout”..

  200. Stultus Magnus June 19th, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    “You aren’t going to tell me what I can and cannot write on here.”

    Am I debating with a pimply teenager??

  201. Stultus Magnus June 19th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    SJ uses facts, the rest of us manipulate stats to make whatever point we want to make apparently.

  202. Wave Your Hat June 19th, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    Also deserving of a moose bar fine is whining about whining (SJ44) and whining about whining about whining (Stultus).

    Me? I’m perfect of course.

  203. sab June 19th, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    SJ44 – i was only mentioning that the people on the kay show who gave us that 26-12 stat then admitted themselves that maybe THEY needed to do more homework – they even went as far as admitting that they didn’t even bother to find out
    if the first time pitcher was a rookie or some veteran that maybe pitched in the national league and most if not all of the players on the yankees MAY HAVE faced him before when they played on another team…the question they asked elias was “any pitcher that had faced the yankees for the first time” it could have been curt shilling who pitched in the NL all or most of his career or some pimple faced 18 year old who was called up from double A because the team needed an emergency starter(the last line i said not the guys on the radio)

    so yes 26-12 is 26-12 but it doesn’t tell the entire story and therfore does not “put to rest once and for all the Urban Legend that the Yankees “don’t beat pitchers they have never met”, under Joe Girardi, the Yankees are 26-12 against first time pitchers they have faced.

    to summarize (and paraphrase)- the 26-12 record may actually be 0-12 depending on the criteria you use to define what “facing the pitcher for the first time” actually means…

    have fun at the games this weekend – i’ll be at tomorrow and sundays games with my 3yr old and 2 yr old sons…

  204. Stultus Magnus June 19th, 2009 at 3:36 pm

    Wave,

    Whining and whining about whining is old hat. The new frontier??

    Whining about whining about whining.

    It’s my calling.

  205. Stultus Magnus June 19th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    SJ44 is like Cano, I expect more of him but that often leads to disappointment.

  206. bailey June 19th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    Bottom line is the team is playing or clicking on all cylinders. Its been this way all of this year, and all of last year. They have enough to have finished better last season, and they have enough to be better this year.

  207. bailey June 19th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    not playing or clicking on all cylinders

    SORRY

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    That’s my rant. Enjoy the game. It is special.
    ==========================

    “Was born in the shadow of that Old Stadium…”

    Sigh. :D

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