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The plan for CC this week

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jun 21, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

CC Sabathia said he would make his next start, dismissing any suggestion that he would not. Joe Girardi wasn’t quite that confident, saying the decision would wait until later in the week.

Here is what CC plans to do:

Monday: Receive treatment in Atlanta from team trainers.

Tuesday: Play catch.

Wednesday: Throw a bullpen.

Thursday: Rest.

Friday: Face the Mets.

Girardi said there are no tests scheduled. But why would the Yankees not get an MRI taken?

Meanwhile, the Yankees are 15-15 against National League teams under Girardi. Two out of three against the Phillies? OK. But going 2-4 against the Nationals and Marlins is pretty ridiculous.

Thanks to everybody for reading today, Check back tomorrow for more from Atlanta.

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221 Responses to “The plan for CC this week”

  1. Donson June 21st, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    Um, they lost 2 of 3 to the Phillies.

  2. EricNS June 21st, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    What can you say about a team that is just second -rate – even if they make the playoffs they will be out in 3

  3. swingsandmisses June 21st, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    “But why would the Yankees not get an MRI taken?”
    Because they have to wait until it becomes a serious problem that requires surgery a la Alex’s hip. :?

  4. Victor June 21st, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    “What can you say about a team that is just second rate even if they make the playoffs they will be out in 3″

    Agree.

  5. Lance June 21st, 2009 at 10:37 pm

    Hanson, Kwamikami, and Lowe are going to shut us down

    No idea when they will break out of their funk. Maybe against the Mariners next week?

  6. Old Guard June 21st, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    “Meanwhile, the Yankees are 15-15 against National League teams under Girardi. Two out of three against the Phillies? OK. But going 2-4 against the Nationals and Marlins is pretty ridiculous.”

    While Torre is out in sunny LA enjoying the best record in baseball, a team that upset the heavily favored Cubs last season…. Girardi can’t even beat 2nd rate NL franchises.

    I’m sure he has had a snicker or two. Grass ain’t always greener. Already had one season of no playoffs and with the way we’re playing, 2 is possible.

  7. Brandon 5 Cena ZEEEEEEROOOO "Because I'm AWESOME and so is MY DAD today !" June 21st, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.....id=5183371

    so IDK who the real Brett Gardner is, he shows up every once in awhile than disappears w/ those bloop pop ups. If only he could stay that consistant. Sadly Jetes couldn’t come through tonight, but really we shot ourselves in the foot too much.

  8. Left Coast June 21st, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    Girardi’s teams have established their own identity— complacency and underachievement.

    There is large enough of a sample size over a season and a half to draw that conclusion.

  9. barry June 21st, 2009 at 10:45 pm

    its been two seasons now Left coast. This team is much better than its playing

  10. Betsy June 21st, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    The Yankees handle their injuries deplorably. They allowed Damon to decide not to get examined after he injured his shoulder and now they are going to let CC decide not to get an MRI ? Tendonitis is nothing to fool around with – we’ve had awfully bad luck with it the last few years.

  11. Counts June 21st, 2009 at 10:51 pm

    Girardi simply can’t get this team to play up to it’s potential

    When you spend $423 million this winter, you expect better than this.

  12. Giuseppe Franco June 21st, 2009 at 10:51 pm

    They didn’t play well against NL teams the last couple of years of the Torre regime either.

    I seem to recall a disastrous road trip in 2007 where the Yanks lost 2 of 3 to the Giants and got swept by a bad Colorado team too.

    Believe it or not, this team actually struggled at times under Torre.

  13. Someone Else June 21st, 2009 at 10:51 pm

    “so IDK who the real Brett Gardner is, he shows up every once in awhile than disappears w/ those bloop pop ups. If only he could stay that consistant. Sadly Jetes couldn’t come through tonight, but really we shot ourselves in the foot too much.”

    Baseball isn’t consistent. Nothing about it is consistent.

    The only consistent thing about baseball is inconsistency. Hot streaks, slumps, etc.

  14. Jermaine D'Twan Monroe-Gibbons June 21st, 2009 at 10:52 pm

    Girardi has done nothing but underwhelmed. From the get-go we were told he was this “baseball genius” and this “new wave thinker” and this “computer geek” that could turn into a truly great manager. I have seen none of this. He’s an average-at-best manager that doesn’t belong managing the Yankees. I don’t like him, but I don’t want him fired. It would do them no good to get rid of him right now. Look at the ’08 Mets. If they don’t get past the ALDS he will be gone anyway. It’s better if they at least give him the chance to get to the playoffs before we totally dismiss him as manager.
    Today was the only time I’ve ever seen him do anything smart, coming out to question the Marlin’s moves in the 8th inning today. Unfortunately it did not have any effect on the game.
    From the beginning, when he started Bruney in that game in KC early last spring, I knew we were in for a tough ride with the buzz cut-loving, non-sweets eating, weight lifting son of a gun we call our manager.

  15. Someone Else June 21st, 2009 at 10:52 pm

    And I love how Pete, our fearless leader, just eggs on the bridgejumpers with his proclamations of how the Yankees are the worst team EVER.

    :yawn:

  16. Steve B June 21st, 2009 at 10:53 pm

    Puzzling decision to not get an MRI. No such thing as too much knowledge in matters such as these…..is there?

  17. Someone Else June 21st, 2009 at 10:54 pm

    Oh look, another genius future MLB manager, Jermaine D’Twan Monroe-Gibbons.

    Go follow the Dodgers. Get away from here, please.

  18. RalphieD (OPPC all day) June 21st, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    “so IDK who the real Brett Gardner is, he shows up every once in awhile than disappears w/ those bloop pop ups. If only he could stay that consistant. Sadly Jetes couldn’t come through tonight, but really we shot ourselves in the foot too much.”

    how can you be consistent when you get inconsistent playing time…but regardless he has done very well this month…very well

  19. vey June 21st, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    *Pete keeps laying out the facts* ,but the Yankee fans seem to disregard his insightful info.Thank you Pete,it’s
    *sobering but true*.

  20. Giuseppe Franco June 21st, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    I seem to recall a disastrous road trip in 2007 where the Yanks lost 2 of 3 to the Giants and got swept by a bad Colorado team too.

    ————-

    Oh yeah, I forgot. They also lost 2 of 3 to the Dodgers on that same road trip.

    But they’ve only struggled against NL teams with Girardi. It never once happened with Torre.

  21. Scott June 21st, 2009 at 10:58 pm

    Jermaine,

    Torre’s teams always fought (late in the season, when it mattered… not beating up on some Minnesota relievers to rally and throwing pies at eachother like a bunch of morons). This team has a glass jaw.

    Let’s see if this team can show some guts and get on a run to make the playoffs. I wouldn’t hold my breath though.

  22. Brandon 5 Cena ZEEEEEEROOOO "Because I'm AWESOME and so is MY DAD today !" June 21st, 2009 at 10:59 pm

    “how can you be consistent when you get inconsistent playing time…but regardless he has done very well this month…very well”

    I’ll take 30 % production from him the only thing is at times he gives you 10 % , I believe he’s in the crossroads of being a legit MLB part time starting player or a 4th OF.

  23. Tidrow June 21st, 2009 at 11:02 pm

    Yankees are a fundamentally flawed team. They fail to advance runners when needed and just can’t get out of their own way. I don’t blame Girardi in any of this. I blame Cashman. He’s saddled this team with alot of overpaid, underachieving players just to be able to sell tickets. This team needs to get younger. This team needs to let go of the past and start building for the future. If it takes overhauling the roster to get it done so be it. Damon and Matsui need to be let go next year. Jeter needs to find a new position. Posada needs to be a DH.

  24. Steve B June 21st, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    “I blame Cashman. He’s saddled this team with alot of overpaid, underachieving players just to be able to sell tickets. This team needs to get younger”

    I’m not the biggest Cashman fan, but he has taken steps towards getting younger. He added Teixeira and Sabathia, two 29 year olds in their prime years and has been working to build the farm system to the point where it’s viewed among the upper half, perhaps upper third, in MLB.

  25. Torre cashman Giradi June 21st, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    Blame Cashman? yup, except one thing, Girardi still has enough talent to be better than they have been the last year and a half. Regarding Torre?? not a question of who is better as he is in LA.
    Face it Girardi is not doing his job, which is playing the hand he is dealt to the best if its ability.

  26. Giuseppe Franco June 21st, 2009 at 11:12 pm

    “I blame Cashman. He’s saddled this team with alot of overpaid, underachieving players just to be able to sell tickets. This team needs to get younger”

    ————–

    Duh. This team is getting younger.

    Moose is gone and they signed Sabathia. Giambi and Abreu are gone and they added Teixeira and Swisher.

    You cannot turnover the entire roster in one offseason.

    Everyone knows Matsui will be gone next year and Damon is very likely gone too. Not to mention the odds are good that this is Pettitte’s last season and will be replaced by Hughes in the rotation next year.

    There’s a chance Austin Jackson could be in the everyday lineup next year.

    Put your glasses on. This team is gradually getting younger. They just can’t do it all overnight.

  27. Boston Dave - OPPC June 21st, 2009 at 11:13 pm

    I don’t think anybody is happy that they went 2-4.

    But for those who think the season is over or that the Yankees are hopeless this season, why are you even here?

    why are you watching the games if you know the season is already over?

    The fact that they have had major issues (ARod, bullpen, Wang) and still entered the day with the 3rd best record in all of baseball makes me, personally, think they can be even better once they fix those issues.

    I certainly wouldn’t be posting on Yankee blogs and watching every single game if I knew for a fact they were going to lose the rest of the games from here on out, as some keep suggesting.

  28. Tidrow June 21st, 2009 at 11:15 pm

    What can Girardi do with this underachieving group? Matsui is washed up, ARod is going through steroid withdrawal, Pasada, Jeter and Mariano have seen better days. Cano can’t hit in the clutch to save his life. Damon looks like an old man fumbling and bumbling in the outfield. Tomko is a retread. What can Girardi do but silently accept his fate as Cashman gets a free ride.

  29. Giuseppe Franco June 21st, 2009 at 11:17 pm

    Scott June 21st, 2009 at 10:58 pm

    Jermaine,

    Torre’s teams always fought (late in the season, when it mattered… not beating up on some Minnesota relievers to rally and throwing pies at eachother like a bunch of morons). This team has a glass jaw.

    ———————–

    Lots of revisionist history there.

    You do understand that one of the primary knocks against Torre in his last few years was that he wasn’t viewed as a strong motivator and appeared too calm on the bench?

    One major reason why Girardi was hired was because he was generally viewed as a drill sergeant and a better strategic manager than Torre.

    Funny how that worked out.

    And for the record, this team wouldn’t have 22 comeback wins this season if they had a glass jaw.

    Teams with glass jaws don’t fight back late in games the way this team has all season.

  30. vey June 21st, 2009 at 11:18 pm

    Holding your breath while the Yankees play is exhausting.
    I keep waiting for them to get it together.

  31. jerry kenny June 21st, 2009 at 11:20 pm

    Right now the Red Sox, BLue Jays, Tigers, Angels and Rangers all are playing equally or close to the Yankees this year. How many of those mentioned have better rosters than the Yankees? Maybe the Red Sox, and thats it.
    So, where do we go from here? Girardi has had enough time. Last year he certainly had enough to make it into the playoffs and didnt make it.
    This winter the Team eliminated Giambi and ungraded the defense and hitting at that position ten fold. The team then went out after losing Mussina and added the top two available free agents pitchers who were available. So they replaced Mussina with a much better and younger pitcher, and added another ace. So whats his excuse now?
    Did Molina get run over by a bus? You would think hes recovering from getting run over by a bus by how long he has been out

  32. Boston Dave - OPPC June 21st, 2009 at 11:21 pm

    “Last year he certainly had enough to make it into the playoffs and didnt make it.”

    ———-

    The Yankees were right in the thick of things and then lost Posada, Wang, and Joba.

    I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest that those losses might have hurt them.

    But please, I do not want to ruin the pessimistic misery-fest here.

    so just ignore me.

  33. TeeJay June 21st, 2009 at 11:21 pm

    Maybe people should be looking at the person who built this team. I dont think it is the managers fault. The last few years of Joe Torre the team always underachieved. The rays were a last place team when Torre was the manager and the Angels were always first place and the rest of al west was horrible. There really was no competition for the yankees to get into the playoffs. Now there are more quality teams in the AL.

  34. pat June 21st, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    It’s one thing for Yankees and Red Sox fans to be fixated and obsessed with the others team but Boston ownership being obsessed is amusing.

    John Henry’s twitter this morning- “3 ahead of $400m offseason”

  35. Steve B June 21st, 2009 at 11:25 pm

    “The fact that they have had major issues (ARod, bullpen, Wang) and still entered the day with the 3rd best record in all of baseball makes me, personally, think they can be even better once they fix those issues”

    Generally agree, BD. However, they Yankees are hardly alone in having major issues, especially when measured against their AL East brethren, where only Baltimore, who had no real expectations, has gone thru ’09 without some significant issues. Don’t see Toronto hanging in, but I do envision Boston and Tampa improving with time just as I envision the Yankees doing.

  36. GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2009 at 11:25 pm

    Brandon 5 Cena ZEEEEEEROOOO “Because I’m AWESOME and so is MY DAD today !”
    June 21st, 2009 at 10:42 pm
    http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.....id=5183371

    so IDK who the real Brett Gardner is, he shows up every once in awhile than disappears w/ those bloop pop ups. If only he could stay that consistant. Sadly Jetes couldn’t come through tonight, but really we shot ourselves in the foot too much.

    ————————————————————

    Actually, he has pretty much the same skill sets as Brett Butler and Willie Wilson. Whether he develops into them or either is up to him.

  37. jerry kenny June 21st, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    hey Dave,
    Papi was out with a wrist injury, Beckett missed starts injuries are part of the game. Every team has injries. Yeah, the difference is when the Yanks have an injury they have the $$$ and resources to go and get a high end quality replacement. Last year it was Pudge, and although he did little other teams could not afford to do that. Yanks had three huge injuries last year, but so did other teams. He still had enough to get in. Please don`t tell me as a Yankee fan you can say that the team has played at their capabilitites this year or last year.

  38. Jermaine D'Twan Monroe-Gibbons June 21st, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    Someone Else-
    I defy you, no- anyone, to tell me that they have been impressed with Girardi over the last year and a half.

    As for the getting younger stuff…
    They are.
    It takes time.
    Just look at some of the people on last year’s team, and who they’ve been replaced by this year. All younger, by quite a few years.
    Next year they will continue to do this. A-Jax will be in CF. Hughes in the rotation instead of Pettitte. They will either re-sign Nady or bring in a new OF to replace Damon/Matsui. No matter who they sign they will be younger and more athletic than the men they are replacing.
    In a few years it will be Posada. Then Jeter and A-Rod at some point.
    Not to mention, other than Mo, the entire bullpen is pretty young.

  39. Boston Dave - OPPC June 21st, 2009 at 11:28 pm

    Steve B and jerry kenny,

    other teams have had issues, yes.

    and the yankees had the 3rd best record in MLB despite having their share of them.

    what is your point?

    repeat after me: The Yankees, despite those injuries, entered the day with the 3rd best record in all of major league baseball. If the season ended today, they would be in the playoffs.

    If the Yankees were 10 games out and in 3rd place, I’d be more concerned. They’re not… even though half of the posters here wish they were.

  40. Fan Interference June 21st, 2009 at 11:29 pm

    “Girardi said there are no tests scheduled. But why would the Yankees not get an MRI taken?

    Good point. Maybe after the treatment, they’ll see how he responds.

  41. S.A.--The sun will come out tomorrow; I'm down with the OPPC June 21st, 2009 at 11:29 pm

    It’s one thing for Yankees and Red Sox fans to be fixated and obsessed with the others team but Boston ownership being obsessed is amusing.

    John Henry’s twitter this morning- “3 ahead of $400m offseason”

    ========================

    Is that for real? Yikes.
    Imagine Hank twittering away? :P

  42. jerry kenny June 21st, 2009 at 11:32 pm

    Dave,
    you got me all wrong. I`m a lifer lifetime Yankee fan. Diehard. However its frustrating as I`m no big Cashman fan, but for better or worse Cashman has given him enough. I also think he needs to give Duncan a shot. Today all they had on the bench to Pinch hit was Matsui. Would be nice to have a righty bat. Girardi doesnt like Shelly, and Berroa is a better choice?

  43. Boston Dave - OPPC June 21st, 2009 at 11:33 pm

    “John Henry’s twitter this morning- “3 ahead of $400m offseason” ”

    ———–

    what’s worse?

    a) spending $400M over the course of 7 years to reinvest in your team

    b) pocket your ridiculous profits to add to your billions, as Henry did, and spend nothing?

    the (at present 1st place) Sox are just fine… but for a billionaire like Henry to make jokes about the Yankees spending money is pretty darn funny.

    First, it was his bitter Mark Teixera tweet. Now it’s this.

  44. Jermaine D'Twan Monroe-Gibbons June 21st, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    I wanted Shelley back in April and May. But at this point it looks like Nady could be back in the next 2 weeks or so. In which case I think you can kiss Berroa goodbye, and boom you have your righty bat. On the bench on any given day will be Nady, Matsui, or Swisher. I think that’s a pretty solid bat to have on the bench any given night.

  45. Lara08 June 21st, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    GF, you’re so right I’m glad I saw your comment spared me a long rant.

    I’ve complained about these revisionist history buffs when it comes to the Yankees for a while but they like their club; so I’m thinking about getting them T-shirts.

    From the “class” to the way the dynasty teams were built and won people have gone and re-written Yankee history.

  46. Boston Dave - OPPC June 21st, 2009 at 11:36 pm

    jerry,

    didnt mean to suggest you weren’t. sorry about that…

    but it just seems like it’s premature to be suggesting that Girardi has failed.

    I disagree with moves for sure. But overall, this team is in line to make the playoffs.

    Isn’t that goal #1?

    If the team is on pace to achieve that goal, despite some fairly signifcant issues (bullpen, ARod, Wang, Posada, etc)… I think he deserves some credit.

    If not credit, he certainly doesn’t deserve to have his job threatened.

  47. S.A.--The sun will come out tomorrow; I'm down with the OPPC June 21st, 2009 at 11:37 pm

    Brett Tomko left Land Shark Stadium with a rolled-up 50-by-24-inch canvas of an acrylic portrait he is making for teammate Phil Hughes. Tomko is an accomplished artist whose paintings have sold for thousands of dollars, and the hobby relaxes him.

    “It’s a good way to keep my mind off things,” Tomko said. “I’ll be painting a lot tonight.”

    There was a lot for Tomko to forget from a discouraging 6-5 loss to the Florida Marlins on Sunday. C.C. Sabathia had departed after eight batters with left biceps tendinitis (his term), leaving most of the game to the bullpen.

    “It’s our responsibility to try to pick C.C. up,” Tomko said. “He’s been such a workhorse for us, going deep into games. When something like that happens, we’ve got to band together.”

    http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....a-do-over/

    ==================

    I never realized Tomko was an accomplished artist

  48. Boston Dave - OPPC June 21st, 2009 at 11:38 pm

    jerry,

    having berroa is definitely puzzling.

    cant argue with that.

  49. GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2009 at 11:39 pm

    pat
    June 21st, 2009 at 11:24 pm
    It’s one thing for Yankees and Red Sox fans to be fixated and obsessed with the others team but Boston ownership being obsessed is amusing.

    John Henry’s twitter this morning- “3 ahead of $400m offseason”

    ————————————————————

    I don’t know what Dennis and Ray (sox fan will think of this, but, I doubt this kind of bulletin board, junior high trash talking will set well with them.

  50. pat June 21st, 2009 at 11:40 pm

    SA

    It’s for real. Mostly a lovefest to Sox players with an occasional tweak to the Yankees.

    The NY papers would give Hank Tweets a special section for daily updates. A Tweet A Day calendar of sorts. :wink:

  51. jerry kenny June 21st, 2009 at 11:41 pm

    Dave,
    yes make the playoffs is the goal. However thats with all things being equal. They are not. Barring huge injuries, (knock on wood) Girardi starts with a much better hand than perhaps any team other than Boston. Those teams that beat out the Yankees for playoff spots last year, and the teams that are even or slighty better/worse this year have nowhere near the talent Girardi has. I dont dislike him, I just think as the manager his job is to make the most of his roster, and for the past two seasons he has not. If he had Texas, Toronto, etc, I`d say hes doing great. But he has the Yankees

  52. Betsy June 21st, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    obviously he should spend more time painting and less time pitching

  53. GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    S.A.–The sun will come out tomorrow; I’m down with the OPPC
    June 21st, 2009 at 11:37 pm
    Brett Tomko left Land Shark Stadium with a rolled-up 50-by-24-inch canvas of an acrylic portrait he is making for teammate Phil Hughes. Tomko is an accomplished artist whose paintings have sold for thousands of dollars, and the hobby relaxes him.

    “It’s a good way to keep my mind off things,” Tomko said. “I’ll be painting a lot tonight.”

    There was a lot for Tomko to forget from a discouraging 6-5 loss to the Florida Marlins on Sunday. C.C. Sabathia had departed after eight batters with left biceps tendinitis (his term), leaving most of the game to the bullpen.

    “It’s our responsibility to try to pick C.C. up,” Tomko said. “He’s been such a workhorse for us, going deep into games. When something like that happens, we’ve got to band together.”

    http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....a-do-over/

    ==============

    I never realized Tomko was an accomplished artist

    ————————————————————

    People may not want him on the team, but, the guy never has backed away for owning up to his mistakes. He’s also got a reliever’s sense of humor and is able to put a bad outing behind him.

  54. Giuseppe Franco June 21st, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    Lara08 June 21st, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    GF, you’re so right I’m glad I saw your comment spared me a long rant.

    I’ve complained about these revisionist history buffs when it comes to the Yankees for a while but they like their club; so I’m thinking about getting them T-shirts.

    —————–

    That’s the way these people are. They remember rings a decade ago and nothing else.

    They don’t remember the up and down roller coaster rides that every team goes through during the 162 game grind and they don’t remember that even the best teams are going to lose 60 games.

    People like that only remember the big parade at the end of the season. They don’t ever seem to remember the struggles and failures of that season and how they overcame that stuff.

    This is not the same team as last year. Not even close. People who think they are clearly haven’t been watching this team with their eyes closed.

  55. Betsy June 21st, 2009 at 11:43 pm

    How old is John Henry again?

  56. Boston Dave - OPPC June 21st, 2009 at 11:44 pm

    “Girardi starts with a much better hand than perhaps any team other than Boston. Those teams that beat out the Yankees for playoff spots last year, and the teams that are even or slighty better/worse this year have nowhere near the talent Girardi has.”

    ———–

    true… it doesn’t change the fact that the first goal is to make the playoffs.

    he is on pace to meet that goal.

    maybe he shouldn’t get too much credit if/when they make the playoffs, for the reasons you stated, but he doesn’t deserve the “fire Girardi” stuff.

  57. GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2009 at 11:44 pm

    Not sure where ESPN got the information, but, they are reporting that the Yanks announced that Rodriguez will get one game off a week up until the ASB.

  58. vey June 21st, 2009 at 11:45 pm

    I wish he pitched better than he paints!

  59. Betsy June 21st, 2009 at 11:45 pm

    Tomko is a good guy – I’m frankly not even that upset with him. IMO, the Yankees offense blew the game, like they have so often recently.

  60. Giuseppe Franco June 21st, 2009 at 11:45 pm

    This is not the same team as last year. Not even close. People who think they are clearly haven’t been watching this team with their eyes closed.

    —————

    Oops. That’s supposed to be “haven’t been watching this team with their eyes open” of course.

  61. Giuseppe Franco June 21st, 2009 at 11:46 pm

    GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2009 at 11:44 pm

    Not sure where ESPN got the information, but, they are reporting that the Yanks announced that Rodriguez will get one game off a week up until the ASB.

    —————–

    I believe Kim Jones said the same thing on the pregame report today.

  62. Steve B June 21st, 2009 at 11:46 pm

    “How old is John Henry again?”

    103?

  63. jerry kenny June 21st, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    thanks Dave for chat.
    Off to bed –Happy Fathers Day to all the fathers
    I for one, will be glued to the set, hoping for the turn around in Atlanta. I will stay positive. Lets see how it goes.
    Mets got a feel for AL East ball this weekend, Rays put it on them pretty good. Despite they are a rival of ours, the Rays can be a fun team to watch. Maddon is doing great thins there.

  64. S.A.--The sun will come out tomorrow; I'm down with the OPPC June 21st, 2009 at 11:48 pm

    It’s for real. Mostly a lovefest to Sox players with an occasional tweak to the Yankees.

    The NY papers would give Hank Tweets a special section for daily updates. A Tweet A Day calendar of sorts.

    ===============

    LOL I could see it now in the NY Post: Tweeting with Hank

    That John Henry sure is a character.. :?

  65. Rose June 21st, 2009 at 11:48 pm

    The qualities that Torre was knocked for in his last few years are the same qualities that got the Yankees their rings.

    Yankees do view Girardi as being much different than Torre. But if he doesn’t make the playoffs he will be gone. He did a great job managing the Marlins. Maybe he is better suited to manage a young team.

    Lots of time left this season. Let’s see what happens.

  66. Boston Dave - OPPC June 21st, 2009 at 11:48 pm

    “How old is John Henry again?”

    ——–

    I used to run into him on occasion in downtown Boston. I wish he was Tweeting back then. I would have loved to rip apart that dinosaur.

  67. Stultus Magnus June 21st, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    I’m glad Tomko can paint away his anxieties. Maybe he should paint before coming in from the bullpen.

    Not sure what to make of this team, they’ve got the pieces to get to the playoffs. I just hope they come out if this funk soon before it gets uncomfortable in the standings.

    It’s funny how some think Nady is going to cure some woes. He had a career year last year and played 7 games this year. If anything, it’ll make the bench a bit stronger but I doubt Nady will make significant contributions over Swisher. Maybe Nady won’t be an idiot on the basepaths. But offensively, I doubt there’ll be much difference.

  68. Steve B June 21st, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    :Not sure where ESPN got the information, but, they are reporting that the Yanks announced that Rodriguez will get one game off a week up until the ASB.”

    Must be someone reputable. Otherwise it would have read “ESPN has learned….” This plan seems a somewhat consistent with the plan Pete had outlined in a post either yesterday or the day before that the Yankees apparently veered away from.

  69. GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    Giuseppe Franco
    June 21st, 2009 at 11:46 pm
    GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2009 at 11:44 pm

    Not sure where ESPN got the information, but, they are reporting that the Yanks announced that Rodriguez will get one game off a week up until the ASB.
    ————————-

    I believe Kim Jones said the same thing on the pregame report today.

    ————————————————————

    I don’t know. I don’t listen to those “interviews” of her’s or read anything she writes.

  70. Boston Dave - OPPC June 21st, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    nite jerry…

    mark my words. Yanks are making the playoffs.

  71. pat June 21st, 2009 at 11:50 pm

    GB

    Girardi said that was what he was thinking about doing because history shows Alex won’t ask for days so he’s taking it out of his hands now.

  72. S.A.--The sun will come out tomorrow; I'm down with the OPPC June 21st, 2009 at 11:51 pm

    GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    People may not want him on the team, but, the guy never has backed away for owning up to his mistakes. He’s also got a reliever’s sense of humor and is able to put a bad outing behind him.

    ============================

    I still like Tomko. He’s seems like a good guy. Today sucked, but gotta move on from it. I already have. :)

  73. Betsy June 21st, 2009 at 11:52 pm

    Steve B, I wasn’t sure – I thought he might be about 2. Seriously, this guy owns a team and he’s spending his time tweaking the Yankees on Twitter? I guess Sox fans get a kick out of it, but it’s infantile to say the least.

  74. Paul-v June 21st, 2009 at 11:53 pm

    I get the impression spring training is about inviting a bunch of accomplished,ex Yankees and no training. They play awful.

  75. GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2009 at 11:54 pm

    pat
    June 21st, 2009 at 11:50 pm
    GB

    Girardi said that was what he was thinking about doing because history shows Alex won’t ask for days so he’s taking it out of his hands now.

    ————————————————————

    If the Yanks could afford to replace them, they really need to do that with both Jeter and Rodriguez. Maybe it would cut down on the nicks and cuts they get after running out there 40-50 straight games. This is about the age when the nicks and cuts become lingering. It would also strengthen the bench.

  76. Paul-v June 21st, 2009 at 11:56 pm

    John Henry is a passive aggressive,insidious to a fault.

  77. pat June 21st, 2009 at 11:57 pm

    “How old is John Henry again?”

    Biologically he is 60

    Emotionally he sounds about 12 and that could be insulting to 12 year olds.

    George being a blustering fool was fun because it was original. All those who follow him trying to be like him look like cheap imitations and that includes Hank S. and J. Henry.

  78. Giuseppe Franco June 21st, 2009 at 11:58 pm

    Rose June 21st, 2009 at 11:48 pm

    The qualities that Torre was knocked for in his last few years are the same qualities that got the Yankees their rings.

    ———–

    No, strong starting pitching and a very young core won those rings.

    Torre just wrote out the lineup cards everyday and the players did the work.

    But those teams struggled too. People just don’t remember the ups and downs of a typical season.

  79. GreenBeret7 June 22nd, 2009 at 12:00 am

    S.A.–The sun will come out tomorrow; I’m down with the OPPC
    June 21st, 2009 at 11:51 pm
    GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    People may not want him on the team, but, the guy never has backed away for owning up to his mistakes. He’s also got a reliever’s sense of humor and is able to put a bad outing behind him.

    ========================

    I still like Tomko. He’s seems like a good guy. Today sucked, but gotta move on from it. I already have.

    ————————————————————

    NYY has made use of his ability to go multiple innings. He’s had 3 bad games out of his 11. Two cost games. That’s about average for a long reliever. It’s not his pitching as much as the name, Brett Tomko. No matter what he did this year, people would want him gone because he’s Brett Tomko. I’d just as soon he got those types of long innings games as to take a chance with a prospect.

  80. Paul-v June 22nd, 2009 at 12:05 am

    I don’t see how anyone speaks that negatively about Torre.
    Those WS were great to see.He’s forever in Yankees history.

  81. Giuseppe Franco June 22nd, 2009 at 12:14 am

    Paul-v June 22nd, 2009 at 12:05 am

    I don’t see how anyone speaks that negatively about Torre.
    Those WS were great to see.He’s forever in Yankees history.

    —————–

    I’m not speaking negatively about Torre. But people often have revisionist history regarding Torre and the championship years.

    Everything wasn’t peaches and cream as those days are portrayed on these boards when the current team is slumping.

    Those teams struggled too. People just don’t remember that stuff. They only remember the big celebration at the end of the season and have little idea how they got there.

  82. GreenBeret7 June 22nd, 2009 at 12:18 am

    I’m not much on watching ESPN, but, right now, I’m glad that I did. They have about 5-10 minutes of interviews and videos (home and archieve type) of Payne Stewart. Exceptional piece of work.

  83. GreenBeret7 June 22nd, 2009 at 12:20 am

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  84. Lara08 June 22nd, 2009 at 12:23 am

    I totally shed a couple of tears watching that GB. I remember the day he died.

  85. Bud Mitchell June 22nd, 2009 at 12:26 am

    Red Sox ownership referencing Yankee payroll is Bud Selig talking. They consider job 1 to be beating up on the Yankees. Note they are relentless in this approach, with either themselves or media pals blanketing baseball culture with this hatred daily year in and year out. With no one fighting back–certainly none of the wimps in the Yankee organization–Henry/MLB keeps winning. Second, it engenders sympathy come BBWAA awards voting, with certain voters openly saying they won’t vote for a Yankee because he’s just on a team of ‘rich guys getting it done.’ These views affect millions and immortality. And people just accept this.

  86. GreenBeret7 June 22nd, 2009 at 12:33 am

    Lara08
    June 22nd, 2009 at 12:23 am
    I totally shed a couple of tears watching that GB. I remember the day he died.

    ————————————————————

    It was quite a piece, and done well. I can’t imagine turning on a TV and watching the news tracking the plane with a family member and and for almost two hours, knowing exactly when it would run out of fuel and crash.

    It wasn’t quite like the Thurman Munson crash, but, yet it was, if that makes sense.

    It’s going to be interesting to see how his son does. One interesting thing about the piece was that their daughter gave no interview.

  87. Al from BK June 22nd, 2009 at 12:39 am

    Hate to be a Francesa parrot but the Sox are what we used to be a dominant team, that is unbeatable at home and a team that takes care of the trash. In this case the “trash” being AAA quality NL teams.

  88. Richie June 22nd, 2009 at 12:42 am

    The Yankees are a good manager away from returning to dominance.

  89. Al from BK June 22nd, 2009 at 12:46 am

    “The Yankees are a good manager away from returning to dominance.”

    Unfortunately that “good manager” is happily employed in LA.

  90. Tidrow June 22nd, 2009 at 12:51 am

    The Yankees are a good GM away from being a dominant team again. Cashman is the common denominator of this teams’ recent failures; not Girardi.

  91. Tidrow June 22nd, 2009 at 12:52 am

    When Torre was let go Cashman should have been sent packing with him.

  92. Al from BK June 22nd, 2009 at 12:54 am

    “When Torre was let go Cashman should have been sent packing with him.”

    Sad but true. Cashman is great at handling high profile signings, CC, Tex, Damon etc. all have paid off others not so much. The main area where he pales in comparison to Theo is trades and the farm system.

  93. pat June 22nd, 2009 at 12:55 am

    Torre should be applauded for what he contributed to the history of the organization but IMO he stopped being an effective force in the clubhouse in his last few years.

    The more I hear since his departure, I get the feeling he wasn’t able to adapt to the room and instead tried to adapt the room. That might work better with kids than it does with vets.

  94. Paul-v June 22nd, 2009 at 12:56 am

    YES YES and THE STEINBRENNERS lose!

    If they were angry for going out in the first round,with TORRE,what will they do with 4th in the division,to Joe G?

  95. Mike Axisa June 22nd, 2009 at 12:57 am

    Bud Mitchell,

    That’s quite possibly the dumbest thing I’ve ever read. It’s best for everyone, including the Red Sox & MLB, for the Yankees to be a great team.

    And besides, how are they supposed to “fight back?” Withhold revenue sharing money? Let them have Teixeira? Call them big meanies in the media? Please.

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  97. Ant June 22nd, 2009 at 1:00 am

    “The Yankees are a good manager away from returning to dominance.”

    Manager’s are extremely extremely overated in baseball. Me,You,Joe down the street could have filled out the lineup card during the dynasty years and they would have still won them all, maybe even more.

    We won all those championships because we had great starting pitching and a solid group of players up the middle, not because Joe Torre was our manager.

    What happened from 2001-2007 with Torre??

  98. m June 22nd, 2009 at 1:04 am

    pat,

    Boy that John Henry is tacky. Talking about money like that. Obse$$ed.

    One thing’s for certain, though. He’d never re-sign a player that just flushed $21M down the toilet. :P

  99. GreenBeret7 June 22nd, 2009 at 1:06 am

    pat
    June 22nd, 2009 at 12:55 am
    Torre should be applauded for what he contributed to the history of the organization but IMO he stopped being an effective force in the clubhouse in his last few years.

    The more I hear since his departure, I get the feeling he wasn’t able to adapt to the room and instead tried to adapt the room. That might work better with kids than it does with vets.

    ————————————————————

    after that book, I think that some of the players wouldn’t exactly had his back in a fight. If I read some of the players remarks properly, that hurt them. Players that trusted what he said about keeping things private became part of a Hollywood tell-all. I’m not involved in it, but, I was disappointed with that.

  100. Al from BK June 22nd, 2009 at 1:07 am

    At least Torre fielded a team that looked good in the regular season. This team can’t even do that. Barely clinging to the wild card and 0-8 against the frickin Sawks!

  101. m June 22nd, 2009 at 1:13 am

    You know, I look at the box scores and I see a bunch of 0-fers. But I don’t get the sense that this team doesn’t play hard for Girardi.

    With very few exceptions, they’ve had given themselves chances to win all season. Sometimes it worked out, sometimes it doesn’t.

    Your 2007 & 2008 Yankees never fought as hard as your 2009 Yankees.

  102. pat June 22nd, 2009 at 1:15 am

    m

    Did you see my response the other day? Go to your mantra. :wink:

    Henry had no issue spending $100 million dollars for Houdini on the DL but balked at spending an extra million a year on Tex?

    His loss is the Yankees gain but a reminder that going cheap is sometimes infinitely more expensive.

  103. Buddy Biancalana-- I ain't no Debbie Downer! June 22nd, 2009 at 1:16 am

    One thing’s for certain, though. He’d never re-sign a player that just flushed $21M down the toilet.

    ————————————————————–

    m-

    Who are you referencing here?

  104. pat June 22nd, 2009 at 1:18 am

    GB

    In hindsight, I think he lost a portion of the room before the book but some of them didn’t want to be the boy in the Emperors New Clothes.

    After the book, there was nothing to lose in saying the Emperor was naked.

  105. m June 22nd, 2009 at 1:20 am

    pat,

    Yes, I saw it. And I am over it, which is why I can joke about it now. No steam coming out of the ears anymore.

    Buddy,

    I’m referring to the Texas money that we lost when Alex opted out. Supposedly, Alex took a “loss” for that amount on the new $275M contract. Basically, I was opposed to the re-signing in general. The Texas money is nothing compared to the 10 year deal.

  106. Paul-v June 22nd, 2009 at 1:21 am

    BUD gave them (RS)a better schedule,why’s he so grumpy?They got the west coast out the way early,before the ALL Star game.

  107. Buddy Biancalana-- I ain't no Debbie Downer! June 22nd, 2009 at 1:23 am

    Ok, gotcha m!

  108. The Other Phil June 22nd, 2009 at 1:26 am

    Looks like late night brings out some of the biggest retards…

  109. you gotta have faith (we need you wang!) June 22nd, 2009 at 1:32 am

    we lost both yesterday and today bc of errors made on the field and that needs to stop. sloppy play will not help u win.

    GREAT hit today by gardy, hes been more consistant lately he should start a bit more.

    the way the game ended was so deflating but people need to remember that jeter comes through more than most, just not today

  110. Mike June 22nd, 2009 at 6:33 am

    WOW > 4 Games behind Boston in June . and tied for the wild card lead .

    Yeah Lets Panic !!!! . .and Fire Girardi .

    Get a Clue !

  111. vinny-b (I believe in Nick Swisher) June 22nd, 2009 at 7:01 am

    “The Yankees were 11 games over .500 and one game up in the AL East on June 8″

    they did that same sh*t last year. Got on a nice/short run following the all-star break, and then packed up their book bag & notebooks and packed it in the rest of the year. This team can’t stand the idea, of getting 20 games over .500

    this team has no killer instinct

  112. Chris June 22nd, 2009 at 7:06 am

    I really hope that CC comes back from this bump in the road because the Yankees really need him.

  113. Giuseppe Franco June 22nd, 2009 at 7:15 am

    vinny-b (I believe in Nick Swisher) June 22nd, 2009 at 7:01 am

    “The Yankees were 11 games over .500 and one game up in the AL East on June 8”

    they did that same sh*t last year. Got on a nice/short run following the all-star break, and then packed up their book bag & notebooks and packed it in the rest of the year. This team can’t stand the idea, of getting 20 games over .500

    —————-

    Good grief.

    This isn’t the same team as last season. Not at all.

    Their starting pitching is leaps and bounds ahead of last year and this team overall is deeper with Nady and Molina coming back soon.

    Ledge jumpers on this board don’t understand the difference between a slump and a collapse.

    This team will be fine. Be patient and you may actually learn something.

  114. Doreen - Stadium Tour Pix June 22nd, 2009 at 7:24 am

    Good morning Everyone.

    Hope all the Dads here had a nice day yesterday. The weather cooperated enough for us to actually cook AND eat our BBQ outside!

    Sure wish there was an easy answer to the Yankees not swinging their bats against these lesser teams. The pitching (with the exception of yesterday’s middle relief) has been fine; it’s been the hitting. And key errors. I wouldn’t go so far as to say they’re falling apart defensively – one error doesn’t mean sloppy play in general. But the two errors the last two days were extremely costly. They probably win both games without them.

    I hope they relax their minds on this off day, regroup and come back strong tomorrow in Atlanta. Unless you’re willing to throw in the towel on this team before we even hit the All-Star break, you’ve simply got to hope they get back on track as quickly as they seemed to,well, derail a bit.

    Heck, even I was getting a bit doubtful last night. But the sun is shining, the birds are singing and it’s a new day. You’re never as bad as you look when you’re losing, and you’re never invincible as you look when you’re winning.

  115. here's a thought June 22nd, 2009 at 7:33 am

    Learning how to bury your head from what’s actually going on is naive. The sun will come out tomorrow.

    This narrative is why the Yankees are the laughingstock of baseball.

    As much as anyone I want the YANKEES TO SUCCEED but the team isn’t playing up to it’s potential.If only we knew why.

  116. Sarah June 22nd, 2009 at 7:48 am

    I hope CC recovers soon and is even better. He is the work horse on the team and is needed down the long stretch until October. Also fans need to recognize that 162 games is a long season and what a wear-n’tear it is on all bodies of all the players.

    When I went to the schedule to list all Joba’s games so I could watch them I was amazed at what a long season it is for the pitchers to pitch every five days. And the daily players play through injuries, nasty rain, and the heat and humidity of Fla and Atlanta. Someone suggested that CC may not been hydrated enough today causing that injury.

    My point is – give the team a break. If you don’t believe me go to the schedule and check out when CC pitches again and go five games at a time. Brutal. And I don’t even want to hear much money they make to play the game we love.
    So love our players and team. Be supportive, please.

  117. Doreen - Stadium Tour Pix June 22nd, 2009 at 8:01 am

    here’s a thought -

    Well, here’s another thought. It’s baseball – entertainment. I love following the Yankees, but, frankly, the state of the Yankees is not life or death to me. I don’t consider that “burying my head in the sand.” I am well aware the team is not perfect, but I choose to go with the idea that the flaws can be addressed and/or overcome. And sometimes the best laid plans don’t workout. Doesn’t mean the plans were bad, necessarily.

  118. here's a thought June 22nd, 2009 at 8:05 am

    whatever floats your boat……!

  119. Sarah June 22nd, 2009 at 8:08 am

    Sorry the other Phil the unintelligent (Won’t use your word and I am surprised that you do) posters are on here morning noon and night. You should the Yankee.com comment board early in the morning. The trash talkers from other teams arrive and make inane remarks and references.

  120. Sarah June 22nd, 2009 at 8:10 am

    correction: You should GO TO. Some aren’t even sober.

  121. Steve B June 22nd, 2009 at 8:21 am

    “but I choose to go with the idea that the flaws can be addressed and/or overcome.”

    The flaw/issue I worry about most is Rodriguez’s hip. I lean to believing that the doctor who performed the surgery and nearly tore his rotator cuff patting himself on the back gave the masses an overly optimistic forecast of what could be expected of Arod. Hips are such an incredibly tough injury to bounce back from. I’m not sure we see the best of him again until after the 2nd surgery this offseason.

  122. Doreen - Stadium Tour Pix June 22nd, 2009 at 8:25 am

    here’s a thought -

    So you don’t cheer for them to get better? Let me understand. You prefer to get dragged down and give up on a team not even half way through the season.

    Baseball is all about hope. It’s all about getting through adversity. Wins occur when teams capitalize on other teams’ mistakes, hits on pitchers’ mistakes (for the most part). It is a game where a 70% failure rate is applauded as remarkable. Where if you win about 2/3 of your games you’ve had a fantastic season. It is full of hills and valleys. How a team survives the valleys and manages the hills is the story of a season.

    That the Yankees as a franchise continue to have as much success as they do is unbelievable. Even last season, a season that left many people feeling dissatisfied, they were better than the majority of the teams in the majors. Even now, they have one of the better records in baseball.

    Let the season play out. See what happens. Every year is a new story. This is not last year. I truly feel bad for people who can’t seem to find enjoyment, who seem to find a cloud in every sunny sky. Perhaps I’m naive; or perhaps I’ve got some perspective.

  123. Sarah June 22nd, 2009 at 8:26 am

    Great pictures of your tour of the stadium. Doreen, thanks.

  124. Doreen - Stadium Tour Pix June 22nd, 2009 at 8:30 am

    Steve B -

    I agree. I’m almost feeling that there’s a shoe hovering somewhere ready to drop. Giving him more rest is imperative. And I really wish the Yankees would stop leaving it up to the players to dictate when they rest. The Yankees are probably not the only team that does that, but I think it’s foolish. For one thing, no player wants to be seen as a Carl Pavano. But I think we all tend to overestimate our capabilities at times, and athletes, with the competitive natures they have, are probably worse than most.

  125. here's a thought June 22nd, 2009 at 8:38 am

    Don’t YOU DARE PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH. Get out of attack mode,and stop trying to regulate opinions.eW all see the team through our own eyes,not yourS.Back up off me.YOUR THINKING is right for you.

    *Who in their right mind doesn’t want this team to succeed*?

  126. Doreen - Stadium Tour Pix June 22nd, 2009 at 8:54 am

    here’s a thought -

    I’m not attacking, but I’m sorry you feel attacked. I re-read your original post – you are correct and I misspoke. I got defensive because you called me naive and said I’m burying my head in the sand because I dared to say it’s a new day. What so-called “realists” need to understand about people like me is that just because we choose to focus on positives doesn’t mean we don’t see the negatives or have some doubts. And I was in a good mood this morning, too.

    And if you read here regularly, you would start to wonder if there were in fact people here who get more joy out of being right about things not working out than they get when the Yankees win.

  127. here's a thought June 22nd, 2009 at 9:09 am

    Those who get joy from this teams failure are called *trolls.* I thought you knew the difference..
    Never do I call people names or make personal attacks on their intelligence,something that’s rampant on this blog.But I be fierce when I’m misquoted.

    I do read regularly,and am amazed at all the vitriol over an opinion some differ from them.I read people taking themselves way too serious. It’s baseball show your passion for the team,it’s ok.The Yankees need us to care.

  128. Doreen - Stadium Tour Pix June 22nd, 2009 at 9:30 am

    here’s a thought -

    I do apologize for mis-reading and mis-speaking. You say you react strongly to that. I reacted to being called naive and being told an attitude like mine is why the Yankees are the laughingstock of baseball.

    It’d be hard to argue that anyone who posts here does not have passion for this team.

  129. Bridge Jumper June 22nd, 2009 at 10:26 am

    “This is not the same team as last year. Not even close. People who think they are clearly haven’t been watching this team with their eyes closed.”

    June 22, 2008: YANKEES (40-35)

    June 22, 2009: YANKEES (38-31)

    Clearly I have been watching with my “eyes closed”.

  130. thane June 22nd, 2009 at 10:44 am

    BELIEVE it or not THE NAIVE comment was for someone else,my oringinal post, just happen to fall under yours.

    Apology accepted,and GO YANKEES!!!

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