Game 71: Yankees at Braves (now with Sabathia update)
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YANKEES (38-32)
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Gardner CF
Cervelli C
Chamberlain RHP
Pitching: RHP Joba Chamberlain (3-2, 3.89).
BRAVES (34-36)
McLouth CF
Escobar SS
Jones 3B
McCann C
Anderson LF
Kotchman 1B
Francoeur RF
Johnson 2B
Kawakami RHP
Pitching: RHP Kenshin Kawakami (4-6, 4.42)
TIME/TV: 7:05 p.m., YES, ESPN2.
FREE-FALLING: The Yankees have lost five of their last six games and nine of their last 13.
RANSOM RETURNS: Welcome back from the 60-day disabled list, Cody Ransom. He hit .180 with six RBI in 15 games filling in for A-Rod in April before going down with a torn left quad. He hit .250 with two homers and eight RBI in a 14-game rehab assignment with Triple-A Scranton.
SECOND BEST: The Yankees start the tie in a virtual tie for second place with Toronto. Tampa Bay is two games behind the Yankees in fourth.
SLUMPING: The Yankees have scored 13 runs in their current 1-5 stretch, matching their lowest output over a six-game period since May 13-20, 2008 when they also scored 13 runs and went 1-5.
BRAVE NEW WORLD: Atlanta pitchers have thrown 18 consecutive scoreless innings.
ONE-RUN REVERSAL: The Yankees were once 9-4 in one-run games. They are now 10-9.
JOBAMANIA: Joba is 3-0, 2.72 on the road this season. He is 2-1 with a 3.98 ERA in his last eight starts. The Yankees have scored either one runs or no runs while he was in the game during four of those starts.
REMEMBER HIM: Mariano Rivera hasn’t pitched since June 16.
GRITTY, GUTTY: Brett Gardner is 16 of his last 46 (.348). He is up to .285 and has a .361 on-base percentage.
ALMOST FAMOUS: Rumor has it that A-Rod is in a slump. It appears so. He is 1 of his last 20, 5 of his last 47 and 9 of 62 in June. His batting average has gone fro, .256 to .207. He is 12 of 52 (.231) with runners in scoring position with 11 strikeouts.
ONE YEAR AGO: The Yankees were 38-33 after 71 games last season and 5.5 games out of first.
INTERLEAGUE WOES: The Yankees are 5-8 against the Senior Circuit, 15-16 over the last two seasons.
SHOUT-OUT: Interested in the other team? Check out Dave O’Brien’s Braves Blog at the AJC site. He does a great job and makes much cooler music references than I do.
RIGHT NOW ON THE iPOD: Bodhisattva by Steely Dan. The live version off their Gold album. Tremendously underrated band. I have lots of Donald Fagan’s solo stuff, too.
DON’T FORGET: Our live video chat will be tomorrow at 1 p.m. from Atlanta.Go to our Pro Talk Live page and get your questions answered.
YES, I’M ON TWITTER: All the baseball 411 is here. But I will make an occasional wise-ass comment on twitter.com/PeteAbe. I’m up to 1,686 followers. Is that good? I have no idea.
Back with more later. If Angel Berroa doesn’t get DFA’d today, we’ll know for sure he has photos of somebody high up in the organization.
UPDATE, 3:47 p.m.: Brian Cashman in the house.
UPDATE, 3:58 p.m.: Lineup taken diwn. Swisher just met with Girardi and Cashman behind closed doors. Machinations?
UPDATE, 4:04 p.m.: Melky out, Swisher in.
UPDATE, 4:15 p.m.: Watching CC throw. Seems to have velocity and command.
UPDATE, 4:23 p.m.: He threw 30 pitches.
UPDATE, 4:29 p.m.: CC says he felt great and will start Friday.
UPDATE, 5:01 p.m.: The hitters all just went into a meeting. I bet it’s about getting more hits.
UPDATE, 5:48 p.m.: Girardi on his job security: “I know the drill here. Win or go home.”
No roster move yet. Waiting until after BP.
Girardi claimed the lineup originally posted was simply incorrect. That doesn’t explain the meeting with Swisher. With Nady close, he may be headed back to the bench.
UPDATE, 6:25 p.m.: Cashman said he came here because the team is struggling. “We’re all looking for answers,” he said. Asked about a trade, he shook his team. “All the answers are here,” he said.
He also said Joe Girardi is doing “an exceptional job.” In other words, it’s stay-the-course time.
No word on the roster move. You would think they were releasing Joe DiMaggio or something.
UPDATE, 7:05 p.m.: As expected, Berroa was designated for assignment.
UPDATE, 7:12 p.m.: We’re underway at 7:11 and it’s 91 degrees here in Atlanta. Jeter gets the Yankees started by flying to right field. Enjoy the game, everybody.
UPDATE, 7:22 p.m.: Nice clean inning for Joba thanks to a good play by Tex at first base. Take that, Keith Hernandez.
UPDATE, 7:26 p.m.: Alex nearly had a hit there but no dice. He’s now hitting .206.
UPDATE, 7:49 p.m.: That 20-minute pre-game meeting Girardi and Kevin Long held with the hitters is really paying off. Kenshin Kawakami is perfect through three innings. Sadly one of the hardest-hit balls was by Joba as he drilled it off Kawakami.
UPDATE, 7:50 p.m.: Braves getting somebody warmed up. Kawakami got it in the neck looked like. That has to hurt.
UPDATE, 7:57 p.m.: Tough break for Kawakami, who was pitching a perfect game through three innings. Kris Medlen warming up for the Braves.
UPDATE, 7:59 p.m.: Joba doing his part. No score after three.
UPDATE, 8:05 p.m.: That’s 22 straight scoreless innings for Atlanta pitchers. The Yankees have scored six runs in their last 37 innings.
UPDATE, 8:08 p.m.: It has to be tough for Joba knowing that giving up one or two runs could lose the game.
UPDATE, 8:15 p.m.: Joba is pitching a heck of a game. Be nice if the Yankees scored at least one run to give him a shot.
UPDATE, 8:23 p.m.: Holy cow, they’re getting perfect gamed through five innings by Kenshin Kawakami and Peter Medlen. But the Braves haven’t scored, either.
UPDATE, 8:26 p.m.: Joba left that halfway up and middle-in. Francoeur knew what to do with that. 1-0 Braves. Is that it for the Yankees?
UPDATE, 8:35 p.m.: THE PERFECT GAME HAS BEEN BROKEN UP! Ooops, didn’t mean to get so excited. It’s just unusual to see somebody on base.
Now if Gardner steals second, third and home, they can tie. But at least Joba is coming up, he is their best hitters.
UPDATE, 8:36 p.m.: Gardner picked off. Girardi has to get tossed here. Has to.
UPDATE, 8:37 p.m.: Yep, saw that coming. Now they’ll win. Gardner was safe, too. Bad call by Bill Welke.
UPDATE, 8:40 p.m.: Like I said … Yankees will win this game like 5-2. You can see this coming like the Queen Mary down a one-way street.
UPDATE, 8:46 p.m.: If Teixeira gets on, A-Rod will hit a grand slam. No question.
UPDATE, 8:49 p.m.: Here is comes, pay attention. Its about to be 5-1 Yankees.
UPDATE, 8:51 p.m.: Two-run single. I was sort of close. You knew something would happen. Nice job on an 0-2 pitch. What is Bennett thinking, throwing a pitch down the middle like that?
UPDATE, 9:01 p.m.: Joba doing work there. Somebody better make sure Mariano is at the game.
UPDATE, 9:21 p.m.: Joba hurt himself there with that wild throw. This is a big batter for Coke as the Yankees cling to a 4-2 edge.
Nice job otherwise by Joba.
UPDATE, 9:23 p.m.: How in the world did Swisher catch that? He took more turns than Danica Patrick. … Don’t let Chipper up.
UPDATE, 9:31 p.m.: Interesting move by Cox, walking A-Rod to load the bases with no outs. The Yankees can make this game a whole lot easier with a hit or two.
UPDATE, 9:36 p.m.: Tex is not the fastest guy around, but he pays attention out there. Yankees now lead 6-3. I predicted 5-2 back at 8:40. Gotta give me props.
Three-run lead with six outs to get. We’ve officially entered the “this would be an inexcusably disastrous loss” zone.
UPDATE, 9:53 p.m.: If this is not a four-out save situation for Mo, what is? Mo has not pitched since June 16. They’re letting Bruney face the tying run? Chancy.
UPDATE, 9:56 p.m.: Mo warming.
UPDATE, 9:57 p.m.: They were lucky that was it all it was. 6-4 Yankees and Mo on to face Kelly Johnson with two runners on.
UPDATE, 10:01 p.m.: The man sits for eight days and strikes out the first batter he faces with runners on. Nobody better.
UPDATE, 10:02 p.m.: I love those commenting on how Pena is running the game. You do know that Girardi didn’t go back to the hotel, right? He’s probably standing about 15 feet away in the runway or relaying messages from his office.
Anyway, 6-4 to the ninth.
UPDATE, 10:20 p.m. Hey, Mo is up. Cool.
UPDATE, 10:19 p.m.: Awesome, he lined out to center. What a great athlete.
UPDATE, 10:24 p.m.: That was Mo’s second career at-bat. He struck out swinging at Philadelphia on June 20, 2006.
UPDATE, 10:26 p.m.: Mo strikes out all four guys he faces for save No. 498.
Back with clubhouse reaction in a bit.
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They should send Pena down to play everyday. Keep Berroa around until Nady returns.
This game needs to involve a lot of Yankees runs.
Pete, as Frustrated as I can get with some of your coverage sometimes, that Berroa comment had me laugh out loud!
Pete if you are a fan of the Dan they are doing multiple nights at the Beacon doing various albums start to finish each night then a fans set list the final night
“The Yankees were once 9-4 in one-run games. They are now 10-9.”
These things even out. They can’t keep falling behind and expecting to only do work in the last 2 innings to eke out wins.
Chris Davis of the Rangers has 102 strikeouts in 225 ABs this year.
Pete,
You do know what the original steely dan is?
“Chris Davis of the Rangers has 102 strikeouts in 225 ABs this year.”
On the bright side, he won’t be grounding into a lot of DP’s…
“These things even out. They can’t keep falling behind and expecting to only do work in the last 2 innings to eke out wins.”
Agree. How about they get an early lead and protect it for a change rather than trying to rally every night?
“They should send Pena down to play everyday. Keep Berroa around until Nady returns.”
THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD DO
“Agree. How about they get an early lead and protect it for a change rather than trying to rally every night?”
Building an early lead requires good starting pitching and a consistent attack from the offense.
Both have been tough for the Yankees as of late.
Lineup should be labelled “TBF” not “TBA”, as in To Be Found. Hi Pete, don’t be scared down there in Atlanta.
gayle
June 24th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Pete if you are a fan of the Dan they are doing multiple nights at the Beacon doing various albums start to finish each night then a fans set list the final night
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Wonder if Chevy Chase will be the guest drummer with his old band members?
“Pete,
You do know what the original steely dan is?”
William S. Burroughs does!
Over/under tonight
Numbers of DPs Jeter grounds into – 2
Number of innings Joba goes – 5
Number of runs scored – 3
Number of first pitch swingings – 7
Number of runners left on base – 8
Number of Swisher boneheaded plays – 3
Shelly Duncan > Berroa
Jeter, Damon, Teixeira, Arod, Cano, Cabrera, Gardner, Cervelli, Joba.
Numbers of DPs Jeter grounds into – 2 UNDER, pena will pinch hit for him late in the game
Number of innings Joba goes – 5 OVER
Number of runs scored – 3 UNDER
Number of first pitch swingings – 7 OVER
Number of runners left on base – 8 OVER
Number of Swisher boneheaded plays – 3 UNDER
Girardi is stupid
game 71 already ! holy ….trade everyone they can, rebuild !
MLB.com’s Bill Ladson reports that the Nationals designated reliever Kip Wells for assignment to make room for Tyler Clippard. Wells, a 32-year-old righty, has an ERA of 6.49 in just over 26 innings, with 18 strikeouts and as many walks.
It’s possible that Clippard will be the Nats’ best reliever, as he’s dominated Triple A so far this year. He backs up his sparkling 0.92 ERA with 42 strikeouts in 39 innings, and just 20 hits and 15 walks allowed.
Arod still in the 4-hole….why joe, why….
Oh jeez, Cervelli catching. Let the absurd Posada bashing begin.
Jose Veras is on the Indians. I guess that was his punishment – enjoy the bugs Jose.
When does Long get fired?
UPDATE: According to Pete’s Twitter…Jose Veras was traded to the Indians
John
June 24th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Over/under tonight
Numbers of DPs Jeter grounds into – 2
Number of innings Joba goes – 5
Number of runs scored – 3
Number of first pitch swingings – 7
Number of runners left on base – 8
Number of Swisher boneheaded plays – 3
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Number of asinine posts by John – 10
per hour.
Wait, so they didn’t make any roster moves yet now that Ransom is up? Or they still deciding?
Jake June 24th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
UPDATE: According to Pete’s Twitter…Jose Veras was traded to the Indians
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In case anyone here on his blog didn’t read it here on his blog.
when, when will we win a game or a series………….
UPDATE, 3:47 p.m.: Brian Cashman in the house.
To do what? Fire up the team with a motivational speech?
So if Joba shakes off Cervelli during the game, does that make Cervelli a bad catcher too?
UPDATE: Brian Cashman in the house.
“They should send Pena down to play everyday. Keep Berroa around until Nady returns.”
I’d rather have Pena take over if Jeter, & Arod need a day off, but in a sense, I agree that he needs to be in AAA to play a lot more. Its probably the best option for him in the long run.
Fireman June 24th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
UPDATE, 3:47 p.m.: Brian Cashman in the house.
To do what? Fire up the team with a motivational speech?
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Help Tomko and Berroa pack up their lockers?
Numbers of DPs Jeter grounds into – 2 UNDER
Number of innings Joba goes – 5 EVEN
Number of runs scored – 3 EVEN
Number of first pitch swingings – 7 OVER
Number of runners left on base – 8 UNDER (wont get many baserunners)
Number of Swisher boneheaded plays – 3 EVEN
There are two possible explanations for them keeping Berroa if they decide to send down Pena
1) They want Pena to develop in Triple-A
2) Berroa is blackmailing the Yankee brass
Yikes not a good lineup.
A-rod batting 4th, Melky batting 6th? They are our two weakest hitters right now.
Oh well, I’m not someone that likes to angst over the lineup. Hopefully the Yanks will win!
Cabrera
Gardner
Cervelli
Chamberlain
That is our bottom of the lineup? Yippee!!
same line up for the most part.. new day.
Joba has to go more than 6. No excuses on this start. This is the NL.
cashman meeting in private w Swisher and Girardi. Lineup to be revised we are told. Interesting.
From Tyler Kepner Tweet
What a terrible lineup
We’re struggling to score runs and we take our 2 best hitters out of the lineup.
Brilliant
Swisher is being traded?
what a creative lineup
so much for those “lineup changes” girardi talked about
gayle June 24th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
cashman meeting in private w Swisher and Girardi. Lineup to be revised we are told. Interesting.
From Tyler Kepner Tweet
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What the heck are we supposed to read from that?
“UPDATE, 3:58 p.m.: Lineup taken diwn. Swisher just met with Girardi and Cashman behind closed doors. Machinations? ”
Swisher being traded for Rafael Soriano, perhaps?
It better be someone better than R.Soriano.
Something’s up. Feinsand said Swishers went inot the office, door locked, Rob Thomson took lineup down.
maybe they are firing girardi and making swisher the manager.
what the heck is going on?
Swish in the lineup,Melky out of lineup
They are putting me in the lineup
Swisher in, Melky out.1 minute ago from mobile web
Jeter sucks!
so did melky get traded?
Maybe they wanted to tell Swish they were putting him in the lineup, but he should try hard to be better.
Or does that sound like a Disney movie?
Maybe swish goes in Melk is getting traded?
that would make logical sense.. they get a good offer for the melk man and then they don’t have 5 OFer’s when Nady comes back and it also momentarily clears up a roster spot.
does cashman remind anyone of the poor kid in 3rd grade that everyone picked on because he was small and harmless..
and he would wet his pants when the teacher called on him to answer a question..you know he had those sad eyes and the dark circles and he rarely ever smiled..
meanwhile theo epstein was the super cool james dean type that all the girls had a crush on and everyone wanted to be his friend and felt really special if he even looked their way…
maybe THATS where the yankees now have that inferiority complex against the red sox…
Wouldn’t they call Melky in if he was being traded?
Do they usually call players in and lock the door to tell them there was a lineup change?
Melky should be traded.
he is a horrific player. Got lucky for a month and got 3 game winning hits. Trade him while value is up. Dont wait for the end of the year when they dont need him anymore anyway.
If melky got traded wouldn’t he be the one in with girardi and cashman?
Why would they have a closed door meeting with Swisher to put him in the lineup in place of Melky?
Does that make sense to anyone?
Um… ok that was a whole lot of nothing. The manager and GM met with him behind closed doors to tell him he was in the lineup? lol
They’ve been trying to trade Melky for years.. I don’t think thats happening.
U.S. is putting the smack down on Spain.
So is Melky being traded?
Sab-
That could be it. I hate to say it, but Theo Epstein is pretty hot. I can definitely see him being the cool kid at school who doesn’t let Cashman sit in the lunchroom
UPDATE, 3:58 p.m.: Lineup taken diwn. Swisher just met with Girardi and Cashman behind closed doors. Machinations?
Please tell me he is traded
GB7
Nice to hear you are in rare form today
yeah, I guess they would meet with the Melk Man if he had been traded instead of Swish, but it seems odd that the meeting would be just about putting Swish in the lineup. I don’t see swish going over girardi’s head to get in the lineup and I dont see cashman as the type to mess with the lineup for no reason. something is going on here.
Because Swisher is the man thats why
So why all the drama for a lineup change?
Swisher is already in the lineup…
WHY? Its LOHUD thats why
If Cashman were in the lunchroom with Epstein, he’d give him his roast beef au jus sandwich for a cheese sandwich. Then he’d buy Epstein’s apple from him for $10. Arrgh.
“Your either/or proposition is your big flaw here.
I never suggested Gardner shouldn’t play – I pointed out that BOTH players were on the bases last night and no one could get them home.
You’ve proposed a lineup that drops Melky out of it; that makes zero sense.
Gardner and Melky, you’ll note, are both in the lineup.
We need young legs on the bases and in our outfield.
Swisher will be the one coming off the bench tonight. ”
It makes no sense to bench the second worst hitter in the month of June?
I assembled that lineup with the following logic…
First task was to get Matsui and Gardner in the lineup. For one game I would sacrifice defense in LF to get Matsui’s bat. Who knows, he could surprise us all and be serviceable out there.
Secondly I want the hitters that are doing well at the top of the lineup. Gardner, Cano, Teixeira, Matsui have been doing well of late so I put them 2, 3, 4, 5.
Finally I move down the hitters who are doing poorly. That means A-rod, Posada, Swisher would hit 6, 7, 8. Jeter slots in at 1 to limit DP’s.
I didn’t leave Melky off my prospective lineup because I don’t like him. I left him off because Swisher has a better bat and Melky has been in a slump for the entire month. Swisher has been the 3rd best hitter on the team in June.
Obviously Girardi didn’t go that way, I guess he wants better outfield defense. You would think that his #1 concern should be to score runs considering the offensive slump his team is in. I guess not.
Wait why is Melky out of the lineup? Swisher sucks anyway. And why is he meeting with Cashman?
Melky was traded to the indians for Jose Veras!
Maybe Swish was being asked about how he felt playing back up CF to GGBG?
Can we please get Hanley Ramirez and /or Ryan Zimmerman ! I don’t care what positions they play or who we give up ! This is the type of youth we need.
Well, that made no sense at all…meet with Swisher to take Melky out of the lineup? To be a fly on the wall during that meeting..
Jay Hirsch
They should send Pena down to play everyday. Keep Berroa around until Nady returns.
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Have some pride in your team.
Is it possible Swisher complained about not being in the lineup? That is pure speculation, but why the meeting otherwise? Or are they just bracing him for the fact that he’s going to lose playing time once Nady is back, and the fact that they want to play Gardner more?
Melky was just traded to the Braves for Chipper Jones, Alex to be moved to the outfield.
everybody needs to calm down and stop pretending you are the Yankees GM. everything happens for a reason. what’s the point of trying to figure it out when you all know you are not privy to the info.
Very interesting, I wonder what’s going on.
hmm interesting, wonder what all that hoopla was about?
if it ain’t the midges that get us its the nats
If there were to be a trade with Atlanta with Swisher involved, it would be more likely to be a swap of outfielders. Swisher for Jeff Franchoure
Maybe they wanted to explain to Swisher what a cutoff man was and what they are there for.
Or maybe Cash just had some sweet new pics for him to put in his collage.
I saw an old sign for black history month and Berroa was on it
Asking Swisher to play songs in the clubhouse that encourage the team to hit?
*hispanic history
I don’t know what’s going with the meetings and stuff. but it can’t be a good sign when it looks like the GM is making the lineups now.
What is with this close door meeting Swisher Girardi Cashman? Pretty odd. First Cashman has to basically tell Girardi to give Arod some rest now this.
Swisher for Jeff Francoeur
yeah and at the beach during the summer cashman would be sitting on his beach towel with a huge hat on to protect his pale white skin while theo would be quarterbacking the football game and kick up sand all over cashman’s ham sandwich while scoring the winning touchdown….
Melky is better off the bench tonight he can pinch hit if they need a late inning game winning hit tonight! Melky is the most clutch hitter in baseball right now.
Patrick, in case you haven’t noticed Swish is in….
Maybe George had a moment of clarity, saw his haircut, and threw a fit. lol
Perhaps there is a trade brewing for Melky and/or Swisher
Big OF in Atlanta and Matsui can’t play the OF anymore.
When you aren’t hitting, you have to try and prevent runs.
A Matsui, Gardner, Swisher OF is asking for trouble in the corners defensively.
At this point, with so many players playing poorly, there really isn’t an optimum lineup.
Its more a, “hope for the best” lineup.
With Cashman in town, you do wonder what happens if this team whiffs on the entire roadtrip.
I don’t see him firing Girardi in season. Wouldn’t shock me though if Kevin Long is on the hot seat.
The way the Yankees are playing now can’t be good for coaches job security.
Swisher wouldn’t be in the lineup if it was trade involving him.
No Hype – If I remember correctly, the penalty for screwing up your own punchline is that you have to listen to John and Suzyn for 5 innings tonight – no tv.
Swisher in for scout/trade value? im just guessing
Hmmm. Extremely disappointed. I thought that Veras would at least net us DeRosa or Choo.
What the heckle? What did Swisher say? Did he say he had every confidence that he’ll win the game today?
Largo,
Thats just inhumane. I believe the Geneva convention does not allow that
USA soccer is about to upset Spain.
“Patrick, in case you haven’t noticed Swish is in….”
I didn’t know that when I was writing the post, obviously.
The C.C. update is all I care about today in terms of Yankees news. Thanks to Pete for being at the right place, at the right time.
No Hype – you do the crime, you do the time.
But appeal to Nick in SF, maybe he will reduce it by one inning
the yankees should off added a prospect or two with veras to get a 3rd baseman & then dh arod fulltime.
SJ44,
Yeah that’s obviously why Matsui isn’t in the lineup. That and the fact he has no knees to speak of.
The team is so starved for runs I would take the chance with Matsui though.
I don’t see why Kevin Long would be on the hot seat. The offense has been fantastic until 2 weeks ago.
For the record, the “we’re trading Melky to the Indians for Veras” post made me spit out my iced tea.
wow USA won.
“Swisher for Jeff Francoeur”
Cashman should be fired immediately if he even considers this. Braves FO would be dancing drunk in the streets and the Yankees would be the joke of all of baseball.
Is it just me or does that picture of CC look like a bird, perhaps a Blue Jay. Time to upgrade the iPhone Pete
Didn’t the US just get smacked down by Brazil last week? Now they are beating Spain? Crazy turnaround.
i think cashman wanted to show both girardi and swisher that in his MLB2009 video game swisher is supposed to go 4 for 4 with 2 homeruns in todays game…hence the secret hush hush meeting behind closed doors….
I appreciate the blog post, Pete, but I think you are way underselling Phil if you think he’s a #3. I realize that being a #3 is still pretty darn good, but Phil’s ceiling was, and still is, that of a stud. I feel very confident that he will develop into an ace, given time.
Mr Veeck
June 24th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
“Melky was traded to the indians for Jose Veras!”
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LOL. Funniest thing I’ve heard all day.
Patrick
June 24th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
I don’t see why Kevin Long would be on the hot seat. The offense has been fantastic until 2 weeks ago.
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Something is clearly missing since interleague play started. “We never saw this pitcher before” cannot be an excuse to be unable to hit a ball. Clearly the pitching scouting is failing big here and ultimately, isn’t that the fault of the hitting coach.
Even if the pitcher isn’t pitching as per the advance scouting report, the hitting coach needs to be able to advise the team to make in-game adjustments. I think that is why Kevin Long is coming under fire
bru
June 24th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
the yankees should off added a prospect or two with veras to get a 3rd baseman & then dh arod fulltime.
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And what would he get besides a bag of peanuts
Maybe Cashman and Girardi have been reading Pete’s blog.
When DB or SJ44 post, they start Melky and sit Swisher.
When Patrick or I post, Girardi immediately sits Melky and starts Swisher.
Swisher was confused and needed a private meeting so Joe and Cash could explain to Swish how important the opinions on the LoHud blog were.
It’s all so simple when you see the Truth…
melky, hughes, for grady sizemore
Another lineup change….Melky is meeting with cashman and Girardi right now behind closed doors. Rob thompson has taken teh lineup down again….More to come…..
I always find myself missing Pete’s updates in the thread…just looking out for ya Patrick. I’ve found our Swisher debate to be fun, all good natured.
BREAKING NEWS FROM BRYAN HOCH:
The Yankees are watching ‘Full Metal Jacket’
lol
BREAKING NEWS FROM BRYAN HOCH:
The Yankees are watching ‘Full Metal Jacket’
lol
lol
They fired Girardi and Swisher is the new GM!!!
You just can’t explain baseball! If there’s anyone out there who can figure baseball, give them my phone number. How do ya like that?
Patrick,
If the team keeps floundering, especially offensively, they better hope George doesn’t have a George moment or somebody is getting canned.
This team has been awful offensively for 2 years. They are poor situational hitters, rarely hit with any consistency with RISP, and give away a lot of AB’s every night.
They pound (for the most part) bad pitchers. Get completely shutdown against good pitchers, and there is no consistency from day to day with this group, and its been that way for 2 years.
At some point, somebody, rightly or wrongly, is going to take the hit for it.
I’m not saying Kevin Long is completely to blame. He’s not.
I’m saying, if they continue to struggle on a nightly basis, I have to believe job security with some guys are going to be an issue.
Mr Veeck
June 24th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
“Melky was traded to the indians for Jose Veras!”
LMFAO!!!!!
Ledger_Yankees: CC pain free in pen. Looking forward to Friday start.–carig
The Yankees are watching ‘Full Metal Jacket’
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AROD is private pile.
“John Sterling June 24th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
You just can’t explain baseball! If there’s anyone out there who can figure baseball, give them my phone number. How do ya like that?”
LMAO! I actually believe that this guy is Sterling! BWAHAHAHA!!! Perfect!
Damn I miss Mattingly as our hitting instructor.
The Yankees are watching ‘Full Metal Jacket’
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AROD is private pile.
30 pitches in the bullpen in June?! Girardi doesn’t know how to handle CC. Also, CC needs to tell Joe that he is tired and his limit is 20 pitches.
Fly Ball
June 24th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
What a terrible lineup
We’re struggling to score runs and we take our 2 best hitters out of the lineup.
Brilliant
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we were struggling with our best lineup.
it is time to try everything & anything.
i just hope if arod does not start hitting that we trade for a 3rd baseman.
he looks terrible & is not using his lower half at all.
how can girardi keep playing him at 3rd?
dh’ing arod will allow him to concentrate on his offense only.
Brian Cashman and Joe Girardi meeting with Swisher……SWISHALICIOUS…..it’s a SWISHEROO!!!
WHOAAAAAAAAAA.
Andrew
June 24th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
30 pitches in the bullpen in June?! Girardi doesn’t know how to handle CC. Also, CC needs to tell Joe that he is tired and his limit is 20 pitches.
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Sabathia usually throws 40 pitches.
Joba gonna pitch a no-no tonight.
we need to get younger
G. Love
June 24th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
For the record, the “we’re trading Melky to the Indians for Veras” post made me spit out my iced tea.
Yes, that was hilarious.
Swish for Francouer would be a nightmare. That wasn’t funny, that was scary.
“I always find myself missing Pete’s updates in the thread…just looking out for ya Patrick. I’ve found our Swisher debate to be fun, all good natured. ”
Thanks. Yes I agree the debate has been interesting.
i actually liked that! “it’s a Swisheroo” does that make me a bad person?
I am so disappointed that soccer was mentioned on a Yankees blog. How did that happen? What has this world come to?
Actually, he needed to throw more pitches since he threw so few the other day.
Also, because its so hot in Atlanta, they had to see how his arm would react to the heat. Personally, I think the heat as a lot to do with his problem on Sunday.
Its very easy to cramp up and come up sore unless you are hydrating several days out of from the start.
This team has bigger worries than CC. CC will be fine.
If they can’t find consistent offense, unlikely given the makeup of this team, its not going to matter much who pitches. Its going to be uphill the rest of the way.
aaron guile ran the bases with a smile according to john sterling
I’ll tell you what’s wrong with our left handed batters. Listen to the game tonight and count how many times I say “He tried to pull an outside pitch.” I say it all night, in between the numerous plugs I give to my radio show.
Alright Arod’s batting cleanup tonight, go get em big guy! I know he’s going to bust out of his slump soon! And Swish is in Right! He should be able to track down whatever the Braves hit his way tonight! That is if Joba gives them Braves anything to hit! He should be lights out now that Posada has given his blessing to have Cervelli become his regular catcher. And Cody Ransom is coming back! That has to be good news!
Does anybody remember back in the day when they used to run a pre-game highlight video at the Stadium to “Reelin
In The Years” ?
MBD.. USA just upset the Number 1 team in the world (Spain)
that’s a big deal no matter which sports you hate.
MBD
June 24th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
I am so disappointed that soccer was mentioned on a Yankees blog. How did that happen? What has this world come to?
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Too bad you weren’t here Monday night. In the absense of Yankee baseball, I started a giant discussion on Jon & Kate Plus 8.
Bottom line, if you don’t like the comments. Don’t read them
BERNNNN BABY BERNNNN
ROBIN BECOMES BATMAN
THE GIAMBINO
YOU’RE ON THE MARK TEIXEIRA
IT’S A RIBBIE FOR ROBBIE
JORGIE JUICED ONE
IT’S AN A BOMB….Well it would have been, if A-Rod was still juicing.
“I am so disappointed that soccer was mentioned on a Yankees blog. How did that happen? What has this world come to?”
Hey! whats wrong with soccer?!
I’d trade Swisher for Francouer in a heartbeat. He’s younger, vasty superior defensively, a legit RF and once he gets away from home will do much better. If you keep up with the Braves you’d know they are convinced having tons of buddies around all the time has kept Francouer from growing up. To me this would be no risk, high reward.
I know he’s stunk for a year and a half, but before that he was one of the most attractive young OF in the game.
Francouer is a very good corner outfielder with a strong, accurate arm. What he needs is to get out of his hometown. He’s certainly Swisher’s equal with a bat and, although, not fast, he’s a good base runner.
Melky for Veras…the way that things have been going lately I really needed that. Thank you.
A-Rod needs to be moved out of the cleanup spot.
Gardner should bat 8th instead of Cervelli. He is likely to draw walks batting 8th with Joba on deck.
It’s times like these when you wonder wether there is now a struggle in the clubhouse. One side you have the happy go lucky Swisher guys and the other you have the down to business Posada guys. From the looks of it, something is just not clicking in this clubhouse lately. Losing stinks.
Francouer on the Yankees would give Robinson Cano a teammate who believes in his same approach to hitting: swing early, swing often.
USA USA !
“I am so disappointed that soccer was mentioned on a Yankees blog. How did that happen? What has this world come to?”
USA just upset Spain. Thats a big deal man. GO USA!
If you don’t like the comments don’t read them?
What? Isn’t that the point? To exchange ideas and opinions.
Soccer represents oppression and a lack of choice. Kind of like my ticket plan this year.
SJ the hitting woes with RISP are going on way more then 2 years. this team has been homer happy for years..
if this team just had a top 10 avg with risp the yweould lead the league in runs scored by a ton…………….
they have expected cano to take the next jump to be a elite playe rfor 2 years and he cannot do it.. he cannot get hits when it matters, he is a hitting machine with no one on base or against bad pitching….he is the guy who should have the ability to take it to the nexxt level, not melky or gardner…
cano has gotten a pass from yankee fans for 2 years……
again take walks or try to get base hits when men are in scoring position is this a new concept???
on the hughes trade front…i am not trading him at all unless it is very very enticing.. he has shown nothing this year to change my position that he will be a stud pitcher in the near future and if king joba does not wake up my opinion of him will be less then what i think of hughes in the near term.
joba’s lack of velocity and shaking off of the catchers, and his 5 inning routine is getting old quickly………….
Francouer is a better defensive outfielder than Swisher. Hitting wise it is not even close. Swisher is a much better hitter than Francouer and his 286 OBP.
DB…it’s all a function of wins and losses…when we were winning the chemistry was great
I know that Twitter is changing the world as we know it, but is a closed-door meeting very unusual? Or did we only hear about it because the reporters have the capability to let us know what’s going on as it happens?
I hope some of you are not serious. Francoer has been the worst hitter in baseball for a good two seasons now. This is where credibility goes out the window regarding the Swisher argument.
Are both of you aware that Jeff Francoeur posted the following OPS’s and OPS+ the last 4 seasons including 2009?
.742 87
.782 103
.653 72
.617 64
and additionally that if you LOVE swinging at bad pitches you’ll LOVE jeff francoeur.
Even in his ONE GOOD SEASON (70 games), he only posted a .336 OBP.
He has no plate discipline and cannot hit.
I wouldn’t trade Swisher for Francour. Its not always about age. You have to at least play the game a little bit.
I’m not the biggest Swisher fan in the world and I will tell you that he’s MUCH better than Jeff Francour.
The Red Sox sent 3 scouts to look at Francour a few weeks ago and they came away unanimously believing they shouldn’t touch him.
He’s a terrible baseball player. He will probably be non-tendered at the end of the year. The classic case of bringing a guy up too soon, and his fluky early success kept him from finishing the needed finer points of his game.
Now, he’s lost and its going to be very tough to find it. Too many holes and weaknesses in his swing and overall offensive approach.
The Yankees can put Melky in right if they want better defense in the OF.
Andrew
June 24th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Francouer on the Yankees would give Robinson Cano a teammate who believes in his same approach to hitting: swing early, swing often.
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Francouer would make Cano look like a patient hitter.
I like that you made to the reference to the Braves blogger making cooler music references… right before you brought up Steely Dan. Very apropos.
“I’d trade Swisher for Francouer in a heartbeat.”
I just lost a lot of respect for you
Francouer is one of the worst position players in the league.
Francouer is a terrible offensive baseball player. He has a .280 OBP.
No matter how much you value on base percentage – and any rational baseball mind should value it a lot – that’s simply unacceptable for a player to be that impatient at the plate.
So adding a guy who swings at everything would make the Yankees better? Beautiful.
Jeff Franwho** is terrible, he can’t hit any better than Swish.
MBD
June 24th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
If you don’t like the comments don’t read them?
What? Isn’t that the point? To exchange ideas and opinions.
Soccer represents oppression and a lack of choice. Kind of like my ticket plan this year.
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My apologies, I thought you were criticizing the non-baseball talk. I didn’t realize your problem was with soccer itself.
I was defending the right to speak about any topic of a Yankee blog. If your problem is with soccer- say so
If the Yanks lose tonight..Cashman is there to fire Girardi and Eiland. Write it down!
PETE
Bang on the door and ask them whats going on!!!!!!!!
Yeah I know Hokie, losing stinks. Everything is amplified when you can’t get out of your own way.
Does anyone else listen to Kay’s radio show on the computer and commercials just come on mid sentence? Am I doing something wrong?
“REMEMBER HIM: Mariano Rivera hasn’t pitched since June 16.”
Says everything that needs to be said about this absolutely horrid stretch of baseball that we have been party to by these bunch of underachieving bums.
Where is the pride, guts, intensity. Seeing Posada strike out last night and not even want to run to 1st base says it all.
Pathetic lot if you ask me. Maybe Rivera will pitch in another week at this rate of performance from this shameless collection reprenting the pinstripes. Sigh.
UPDATE, 3:47 p.m.: Brian Cashman in the house.
UPDATE, 3:58 p.m.: Lineup taken diwn. Swisher just met with Girardi and Cashman behind closed doors. Machinations?
UPDATE, 4:04 p.m.: Melky out, Swisher in.
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????????
Cashman with more organizational orders ?
Trade ?
Jerkface
June 24th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Are both of you aware that Jeff Francoeur posted the following OPS’s and OPS+ the last 4 seasons including 2009?
.742 87
.782 103
.653 72
.617 64
and additionally that if you LOVE swinging at bad pitches you’ll LOVE jeff francoeur.
Even in his ONE GOOD SEASON (70 games), he only posted a .336 OBP.
He has no plate discipline and cannot hit.
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Are you aware that over his first three full years, he averaged 20 homers and 90 RBI with a .260 average.? After that, add his defense in.
People don’t like the soccer comments because Team USA scores more than the Yankees.
What save situations have there been lately? Mo can’t pitch well in non-save sits.
If they DFA me tonight I’ll be pissed, like Sgt. Murtaugh used to say, I’m too old for this.
“Soccer represents oppression and a lack of choice. Kind of like my ticket plan this year.”
Dude our country just won. You must not be from America. Soccer is a great sport.
Swisher is not a better hitter….. he is a better walker.
Career wise Francouer has the higher BA (.266 to .243) and slightly lower SLG (.424 to .455). The big difference is in OBP because Swisher walks… of course when you run the bases like a ten year old that doesn’t help much.
I’d trade Swisher’s walks for Francouer’s defense. Plus with Francouer being significantly younger (3+ years) he’s more likely to improve.
“Does anyone else listen to Kay’s radio show on the computer and commercials just come on mid sentence? Am I doing something wrong?”
Whats wrong is your listening to Kay.
“People don’t like the soccer comments because Team USA scores more than the Yankees.”
Not to mention right now plays a whole lot better than them as well, knocking off the #1 team in the world in Spain.
Can’t say the same for the gagging Yanks that choke under pressure.
Francoeur is awful. Advocating him on your team over anyone is asking for a downgrade.
I almost put my fist thru the tv last night when Wang went to a 3-0 count on him.
UPDATE, 4:29 p.m.: CC says he felt great and will start Friday.
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Some GOOD news
pat
June 24th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Does anyone else listen to Kay’s radio show on the computer and commercials just come on mid sentence? Am I doing something wrong?
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You mean besides listening to Kay?
No, it’s the same on the streams. I think Moe, Curley and Larry are in charge of production and sound.
Take the soccer chat to the LoHud soccer blog.
Oh there isn’t one?
That’s because nobody cares about soccer.
I have a few Europian friends and most of them think Baseball is just a child’s version of cricket. Soccer on the other hand is God’s gift to mankind.
Limey’s just don’t know any better.
Who would want swisher? It must be melky for Mark Teahen
The fools tonight are the ones calling for Francouer. That’s insanity, the last thing we need is another free swinger who can’t work a pitcher. I don’t care if he’s got a gun for an arm, keep that loser off the team.
All he needs is to get away from his buddies?? If that’s true, why do the Yanks want some easily distracted player?
Nuts. I’d take Swisher 100 times over Francouer.
DB
June 24th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
“Is it just me or does that picture of CC look like a bird, perhaps a Blue Jay. Time to upgrade the iPhone Pete”
DB, I opened this thread’s comments and did a command-F (find) for “bird” since I was sure someone else must have seen it. Glad to know I’m not crazy. Oh, and I was thinking ostrich.
Ash
LOL. I knew someone was going to go there.
Can we trade AROD for cash?
Did Francouer win a Gold Glove when I wasn’t looking? Does everybody here follow the Braves on TV or live in Atllanta? Why does everyone think he’s so good defensively?
pat June 24th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Does anyone else listen to Kay’s radio show on the computer and commercials just come on mid sentence? Am I doing something wrong?
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pat-it often does that. It drives me crazy
I don’t think you fathom how bas his last two seasons have been- those OPS’s are what Melky gave us last year, in his worst year. He is widely regarded as the wrost hitting corner outfielder in all of baseball- the Braves are going to non tender him. If you think the difference between him and Swisher at the plate is walks, I have to question your baseball acumen.
GB 7 —
Looks like we’re outnumbered here about Francouer. I guess this group is much like the Yankees’ brass over the years. Age and defense be damned… just keep walking!
More breaking news form Hoch:
Yanks ended ‘Full Metal Jacket’ time. On to ‘Next Friday’
Bob(the original),
Thats funny, I’ve heard a few people say the same about you
“People don’t like the soccer comments because Team USA scores more than the Yankees.”
LMAO
*cries*
Honestly does anyone know what happened to this Yankee team, besides the obvious, which is they can’t put together multi-hit innings. Its unreal how this team hss just folded liek a cheap suit.
I mean they have no significant injuries (imagine if they were the Mets)
They have their rotation set
Bruney returned
but for some unknown reason this team just seems to be monumentally underperforming and since you can’t fire the team, this then falls on the head of Joe Girardi as manager. This teams play has been beyond unacceptable and all he has to say is “it will get better” hey Joe don’t just talk about it, be about it. Put up or shut up.
The Yanks got biatch slapped up in Boston and since then forgot to win, coincidence I doubt that.
Cody Ransome? And how does this solve any of our problems??
wow best game ever!!! go usa team
with all this talk about AROD maybe not being himself this year – and swisher needing to sit and melky and gardner being 4th OF’s – doesn’t getting mark derosa make much more sense today than ever before?
If you think Francouer is better than Swisher you need to go chew on some paint chips.
Thanks SA.
Well Greg, since crazy can be defined as not sharing reality with the vast majority I’m not sure our bird sighting is normal. Maybe we can submit it to the APA as a rarschack (spel?) picture.
Wave — I watch a lot of Braves games and he’s an excellent RF with a strong arm. He won a gold glove in 2007. In the last three years he has 39 assists and only 9 errors.
It’s not that he’s “easily” distracted… it’s that he’s with lifelong buddies year ’round. Not many MLB players play in the town where they grew up.
Yes he’s immature. Yes he’s an undisciplined hitter. But he’s easily the equal to Swisher as an all around player and he’s more than three years younger and he has a mugh higher ceiling.
“Can we trade AROD for cash?”
Better yet can we trade him for a stable, sane, non weirdo, head job of an MLB body in return. That guy has issues that even Freud couldn’t decipher. Nice to know we have him for a long, long, long, long time to come, and we thought 2004 wasn’t the reverse of the curse, HA.
pete’s twitter: “alex on the couch reading people. You cant make this stuff up”
pete’s twitter: “alex on the couch reading people. You cant make this stuff up”
Francoeur’s HRs, also check the number of PA. Atlanta gave 700 PA’s to a guy who can only get on base around 30% of the time. Even in the WORST SEASON OF HIS CAREER, swisher posted an OBP 4 points away from Francoeur’s CAREER HIGH
162 games 29
162 games 19
155 games 11
68 games 4
Looks like the league is figuring him out.
UZR/150 2009 and 2008
-4.9
-3.1
K’s 5% less than Swisher, walks 10% less than swisher
Swisher’s UZR/150 this season and last season
.9
2.1
Frenchy SUCKS. Holy crap is he bad.
Honestly I’d have to think twice about trading even Cody Ransom for Jeff Francouer. He’s pretty bad guys.
Some how I don’t think DeRosa is going to be David Justice re-incarnate.
They got to get production out of ARod, plain and simple. If not, send him to his next surgery.
86w183
June 24th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
GB 7 —
Looks like we’re outnumbered here about Francouer. I guess this group is much like the Yankees’ brass over the years. Age and defense be damned… just keep walking!
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All I look at his Francouer’s defensive play and run production. His walks are lower than Swisher’s, but, he strikes out about the same. It doesn’t help the team to produce a run a game and give up two on the bases or on defense. He may or may not be a Gold Glove corner outfielder, but, he’s solid. Defensivly, he’s on par with a young Paul O’Neill.
Is Chris Chambliss employed anywhere?
fire girardi and bring bradley lol
IDCWYT
June 24th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Is Chris Chambliss employed anywhere?
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They have already fired him as hitting coach once
Would not surprise me if Melky were traded while his value is high, they have Colin Curtis in AAA and he’s been playing solid CF and exceptional COF. It better be for Gonzalez or Soriano if they do it. If Franceour is coming I’m gonna scream. (Note I would deal Swisher first or Damon if I could)
DB – thats what I’m saying –
if this is the AROD for 2009 – would you be happier with cody ransom at 3rd for 75 of the next 90 games? I’d rather take my chances with derosa…
Thanks, 86. He did win a gold glove when I wasn’t looking!
If you go to fangraphs, it looks like Francouer was great defensively in 2007, average since. But if you watch him, I’ll credit your opinion. I don’t watch the Braves much.
a trade of swisher and francour does nothing to help our team and the braves would just laugh at us for such a horrible trade.
Enough of the unsubstantiated criticism.
Other than walking name one thing Swisher does better than Francouer.
I know this.. Francouer is a better barerunner (as is my grandmother) and a vastly superior outfielder.
I’m not anti-Swisher… he’s a fun guy to have on a team and a very useful player. However, I value excellent defense and throwing ability in RF over walks… that’s just me.
Also, people here are always clamoring to get younger and if this deal were to materialize the Yankees get younger, more athletic and better defensively. Isn’t that supposed to be one of the goals around here?
IDCWYT
June 24th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Is Chris Chambliss employed anywhere?
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They have already fired him as hitting coach once
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Have they had anyone better since? They havn’t won the WS since.
Atlanta made the same mistake with Francouer that Cincinnati and Pinella did with O’Neill….they tried makiing him into a home run hitter. He’s a line drive hitter.
Erica – newly OPPC
June 24th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
So if Joba shakes off Cervelli during the game, does that make Cervelli a bad catcher too?
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No, Erica. It makes Joba an overrated fat slob. Which he is regardless of who is catching.
DB, just emailed the pic to a friend, without Yankees context, and he said chicken at first.
GB com’on man don’t tell me you believe in Franceour aka Shelley Duncan the young version.
BASErunner… gosh I hope that wasn’t a Freudian typo
That makes sense, considering he has increased his LD% every year and its now sitting at 20%. The problem is that his HR/FB rate went down to normal levels.
NEXT
People, as in the magazine. not people as in tarot reading..
He should be reading this blog. I guess other people’s problems are always better.
you gotta have faith (we need you wang!)
June 24th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
a trade of swisher and francour does nothing to help our team and the braves would just laugh at us for such a horrible trade.
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I’ve got to here this one.
If Francouer does nothing to help the Yanks or Atlanta, exactly why would they laugh at a trade suggestion like that?
“Just about everyone in Atlanta has had enough of Jeff Francoeur, and just about any mediocre replacement player would be better than him. I don’t think Frenchy is in an Atlanta uniform next season, one way or another.”
http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....hop-13575/
i dont really have a point just posting this to add on to this nonsense talk lol
Love or hate George, if he was active and in control slow Girardi, Brian Clownman and some of these pampered pansies playing for the Yanks would have heard from him by now.
No way in high heaven would George have let 0-8 against the Red Skunks be just casually brushed aside with not a word being uttered about that pathetic display.
Oh how times have changed, Clownman wanted full control, the Steinbrenner boys gave it to him, now look at what it has provided. Lovely.
Correction: I’ve got to hear this one.
Mysteries solved:
Swisher was in the meeting to teach Cashman about Twitter. His sample tweet was a new lineup with himself replacing Melky.
So it is Twitten, so it shall be done.
According to baseball reference, Swisher is a better baserunner as he has a higher RUN SCORED% which removes home runs. He also has a higher ‘extra bases taken’ %
Please, all of you who want Frenchy, go away
whoa, i noticed someone posted under the name ’sauce’. i’m not sure if i’m being impersonated or not.
soccer is boring to watch. i think i’d rather watch bowling, golf, hockey, curling, anything.
however Go USA!!
I’d be shocked if Melky was traded…and if he was, if you think we’re somehow getting Mariano back then you need to lay off those cigarettes you been smokin’.
Nice of Girardi to “mix things up” like I knew he would.
Greg June 24th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
DB, just emailed the pic to a friend, without Yankees context, and he said chicken at first.
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Thankfully I wasn’t the only one. I thought it was a picture of something the Yankees left on the bench. His leg that is up in the air looks like the neck of the chicken.
sorry-Soriano
Brandon — remind us of all those outfielder assists that Duncan recorded.. and in which year did Shelley earn the Gold Glove?
Gotta look beyond just certain stats… especially OBP which is vastly overrated.
and remember Francouer’s hitting in a very pitcher-friendly ballpark. He’s not a superstar, but he would be an improvement. AND he’s younger, cheaper, better defensively and more athletic
So I thought Posada’s catching and gear up for that. Cervelli’s catching. I could have gone either way since I know Posada is trying harder to work with his pitchers. That’s what he told the press. Cervelli suits me just fine.
This will be a very interesting watch then. Let’s see how many times, if any, Cervelli gets shaken off.
If anyone wants to switch to Mets blog during the game let me know. I know posters did that one other time at least when things were really wild here. Not crazy about game blogs anymore. Definitely not crazy about Pete letting Mo’sflatcutter come here and act like king troll butt hole. He’s here just to make trouble and annoy. Things get tense enough with Yankee posters all over each other.
The good news is that the team remains in the hunt for a Wild Card spot. Tampa Bay and Anaheim/Texas will be tough but the Wild Card is definitely right there for the Yanks if they snap out of it.
GreenBeret7,
i knew someone would call me out on that lol it came out wrong i meant they would laugh at us for going through with the trade. kinda how we laughing at the CWS for the swish-betemit trade.
UPDATE, 5:01 p.m.: The hitters all just went into a meeting. I bet it’s about getting more hits.
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dun dun dun dun
Anyone who says they’d trade Swish for Francoeur needs a serious reality check. Frenchy’s terrible, absolutely horrible and likely to be nontendered in the offseason. So he has a good arm, big deal. That comes in to play what, once every five games?
And as far as the fewer baserunning blunders, well he doesn’t have a chance to make any blunders because he’s never on base in the first place. They’d be better off playing Matsui out there.
why was Melky pulled unless it’s a trade, srsly.
Frenchy is a worse hitter away from home.
.282/.334/.453
.251/.284/.396
Do you guys actually look up anything when trying to get one over on the blog crew?
gotcha sab, I thought you wanted DeRosa in the outfield. If ARod goes down, this team is cooked. DeRosa would just be a patch. I think we just need a kick in the pants. Hopefully, Cashman did that today.
jerkface —
Stop living up to your “handle”. This is a fun debate.. we can agree, disagree and make points without telling each other to stuff it..
Also do yourself a favor — stop looking at stats and watch some baseball games.
No one who has seen the Yankees play more than a few times would consider Swisher anything above terrible as a baserunner.
Random news:
The Nats’ Tyler Clippard has a 0.92 ERA with 42 strikeouts in 39 innings, and just 20 hits and 15 walks allowed in AAA.
86w183, did I argue his defense, please Shelley is special eds. in defense, but Frenchy would make Robi look like Tony Gwynn in patience.
UPDATE, 5:01 p.m.: The hitters all just went into a meeting. I bet it’s about getting more hits.
meeting central..
Might need to showcase swish for a scout
yankees going after derosa? does that make any sense? if arod is going to be rested on the sabbath? plays third and OF and could hit 58 homeruns in new yankee ballpark?
“No, Erica. It makes Joba an overrated fat slob. Which he is regardless of who is catching”
LOL, dibs on him hitting which first, 100 pitches or 4 innings. Take your pick. This guy is beyond overrated. Its one thing to be a young starter but lets see what we have from him.
Markedly decreased velocity.
Erratic control
Inability to go deep into games
Seems to want to strikeout every hitter by picking the corners pitch after pitch, when his control sucks to high heaven.
Much better off in the pen where he can max out in a ccuple of innings that stand to be more useful, than a start where he is out by the 4th inning. But hey no worried we have our future Beckett in him.
Nick Swisher’s career RUNNERS HELD% 49.6
Frenchys career RUNNERS HELD% 50
WOAHHHHH
(frenchy does have a 5% kill rate)
Brandon… “Farve 3, NFL FRUSTRATED RETIRE ALREADY FANS 0″
June 24th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
GB com’on man don’t tell me you believe in Franceour aka Shelley Duncan the young version.
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Because Francouer is 5 times the player that Duncan will ever be.
I’m not saying that either team is talking trade, but, Swisher just makes far too many mistakes. Duncan is pretty much useless, especially if the throw a pitch that breaks.
It’s also not like there’s much to talk about, since I’m not interested in the stupidity being discussed earlier. It’s like talking physics with my 4 year old grand daughter.
“why was Melky pulled unless it’s a trade, srsly.”
hmm seriously slumping really bad? just saying.
Kepner says he didn’t see anyone call Swisher into Girardi’s office. Looked like Swisher went in on his own.
Mike Axisa, a right fielders arm comes into to play probably every game. Runners don’t advance because of it. The Yankees already have a decent right fielder with an above average arm though, Melky. I know nothing about Frenchy so I’m not going to comment on him.
I watch more than 300 games of baseball a year, and Francoeur has a terrible plate approach and is a bad hitter. I also live in Florida and have braves game on regular TV (though I do have extra innings and mlb.tv)
You obviously have a man crush on Frenchy as a player, so did everyone when he burst on the scene his first year. But FACTS and his PLAY since then have shown him to be a deficient player.
Open your eyes and actually watch him.
I wonder if it’s not a Swish injury or something they wanted to talk to him about and make sure he was in a condition to play before putting him in the line-up…
I don’t listen to Mike much but I just heard him call joba, “100 pitches of fun”
Best nickname ever.
I’m pretty sure the GM doesn’t get involved with lineups unless something is up. My best guess is Melky is being traded. We haven’t heard about the move so Nady can rejoin the team.
Alternate theory: Swisher has been named the new batting coach. The new era of Swishermetrics is going to be (patiently) exciting and productive!
And on that note, I’m getting the heck out of Antioch.
girardi has been fired…nick swisher is now manager .
pat June 24th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Kepner says he didn’t see anyone call Swisher into Girardi’s office. Looked like Swisher went in on his own.
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Okay so that totally changes things. Swish probably wanted to know what the story was when Nady came back.
I don’t watch Francouer every day, so I have to rely on stats as far as he is concerned defensively.
If you go by UZR, Swisher and Francouer are about equal defensively in RF. In fact, this year Swish has been a little better.
I think this is a case of people who don’t like Swish being willing to go with the guy they don’t know rather than the guy they know.
Any chance we can pry away Sizemore from the Indians?
If you’re trying to trade a player, you showcase them. You can’t showxase a guy sitting on the bench. No team trades for a player that looks great riding the pines.
Pete -
You’re too funny. “I bet it’s about getting more hits.”
I’m curious what went on in a meeting with Swisher. Hmmm..
Glad CC seemed to have a good bullpen today. Guess we’ll find out for sure on Friday how he is. D’ya think they’ll hold Hughes back “just in case?”
Swisher went in to tell Girardi Melky was doing a poor job and Melky was pulled. lol
Mike A.,It’s good to see your posts on this blog.
River Ave. Blues is just a terrific Yankees fan blog.
You’re dead on about Francouer. I love the whole “he has a good arm” argument, dspite the fact that he’s
is horrible at everything else. Such great logic.
Why do people always make a big deal that Joba is on a pitch count and has an innings limit. But no one talks about that Hughes has the same thing. Every young pitcher are on innings limit thats just how baseball is, look at David Price it is the same deal with him.
My last comment on this —
I agree Francouer has been awful the last year plus, but as someone who follows the Braves closely I believe his being at home is hurting his growth and maturity and that’s a sentiment shared by many in and around the Braves organiation.
Even with his awful last seaosn + his career BA (.266) is higher than Swisher’s career HIGH BA (.263). I am not enamored of walks… not that they are bad, but they are overrated by many.
Swisher is the better offensive player today, but there’s every possibility Francouer can return to his productivity of 2006-07 considering how young he is.
Swisher will never be close to the defensive RF that Jeff Francouer is. That said, I doubt a trade will be made and thus we’ll never know if it was a good deal or not…. but I do know for certain the Yankees have to find a RF for the future somewhere.
I don’t listen to Mike much but I just heard him call joba, “100 pitches of fun”
Fun if you like to be tortured with crappy outings.
Let’s see how it will probably go tonight,
Joba for 4, with his usual 3-4 runs allowed and 100 pitches.
Aceves will come in for 1 inning, then Girardi will get the notion of hey why don’t I bring in Brett Bumko and the Yanks will fall farther behind with that scrub on the mound and they will lay down as they have gotten into the normal habit of doing against teams and it will be another big fat L.
Michael Kay doesn’t understand these moves either.
UPDATE, 5:01 p.m.: The hitters all just went into a meeting. I bet it’s about getting more hits.
I was just about to ask when the closed door meetings will start???….
GB7 makes a good point. Remember, Veras had been showcased a lot lately. And the Indians have been showcasing a couple rolls of quarters.
“If Angel Berroa doesn’t get DFA’d today, we’ll know for sure he has photos of somebody high up in the organization.”
Good one.
At some point A-Rod may start making his way back to normal. Would moving him up to the 3 spot and moving Tex to 4 spot (at least for a little while) help get that rolling?
We could probably trade Shelley Duncan or J. Rod for Frenchy.
There is absolutely no reason to trade a CURRENTLY GOOD AND YOUNG player like Swisher for a project like Frenchy.
If athleticism and youth got you anywhere we’d have CJ Henry kickin around somewhere on this team.
francessa must really be getting into peoples head that they now expect joba to go 4 innings and 100 pitches…sad
Jeff Francoeur does nothing to improve this team.
you trade an outfielder for another outfielder & swisher can put up similar numbers to francoeurs best years.
so you lose a ton of hr’s,rbi,obp.
even if francoeur reverts back to his best offensive years it is not a huge upgrade.
another crazy trade proposal by gb.
the yankees need to fix arod.if they can’t they will have to trade for a 3rd baseman.
trading an outfielder for another outfielder does exactly what??
“Okay so that totally changes things. Swish probably wanted to know what the story was when Nady came back.”
If that should be the case Swisher might want to be more worried about doing his freaking job on the field, that bean pie headed, clown school graduate wannabe has really grown tiring to me.
You know for a guy who gets a lot of deep counts, is not a power hitter, he is one of the worst contact hitters in all of the majors. He is in no position to have anything clarified when Nady returns, the job was his for a very long white and frankly I see why the White Sox got rid of him. He is a part time player who couldn’t be consistent with the everyday opportunities given to him.
Wow, Dave O’Brien’s blog gets 2000 to 3000 posts per thread. That’s impressive considering it’s not in the New York area.
Batting average is not more important that on-base percentage. It’s just not.
Walks aren’t sexy, but they are a vital part of the game. Do you want a hitter that goes up to the plate every time looking for a walk? Of course not.
However, having a player who has no value if he’s not putting the ball in play – because he either refuses to take a walk, or completely lacks the discipline not to swing at bad pitches – can kill a team offensively.
I’ll always take the player who has an idea of what a strike zone is. The Yankees already have too many players in the lineup who haven’t gotten that idea yet.
How is Nick Swisher NOT a powerhitter? All he does is hit for power.
He has a career XBH% of 45.
I love that some of you see Francouer make 2 or 3 plays a year and all of a sudden rave about his defense (ignoring that Swisher has the higher career UZR/150, or even fielding percentage, a stat some of you morons might like).
Swisher for Francouer. You know this blog has some idiots when that becomes a legitimate idea. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Braves rejected that because it’d just be too mean.
Pete, your picture looks like a replica of CC on a sheet cake. Is that the bullpen in Atlanta?
Over on under on 3 runs tonight?
The jeff francoeur experience: http://tinypic.com/r/2u9ib2r/5
who does ransom replace? this yankee routine on holding this decisions back like it is life or death is something I can live without.
they can show they want to win if they get ruthless and get rid of berroa and tomko. 2 older guys who plain and simply stink and have no upside at all..
Over OR under on 3 runs tonight?
Bonus alternate theory: Swisher was asked to the meeting to explain who Mary Carey is.
They may need a RF for the future but, it’s not Jeff Francour.
Forgive me, but why would Cashman pull Swisher into a meeting if Melky was being traded?
That’s beyond logic unless he’s making Swisher a coach or asst. GM which he assuredly is not.
I have a feeling that Swisher was brought in and told that if he doesn’t start playing better and doesn’t stop with the brainfarts on the bases and in the field he’s going to be riding the pine or possibly traded from NY.
I don’t think he was brought into the office to be let in on the secret that Melky is being traded.
“trading an outfielder for another outfielder does exactly what??”
Well he was a GG OF, W/ a Vlad like arm from OF to home plate.
jeff francoeur stinks he is a worse version of robinson cano..
he hits worse then cano and has even a worse obp then cano, he is not a good player under any circumstance unless you liked melky’s offensive numbers last year then you will be a big fan of francouer. he is a highlight crappy player similar to eric byrnes who also stinks…………..
guys who have high obp’s are huge and also guys who see a lot of pitches are extremely valuable, scholars………
“Pete, your picture looks like a replica of CC on a sheet cake. Is that the bullpen in Atlanta?”
lol – it’s true!
where did we get francoeur’s name from? is everyone just speculating and just running with it?
People are so down on Swisher defensively that I thought I’d at least check the defensive stats on him.
UZR over at Fangraphs says he’s slightly above average defensively. RZR at Hardball Times shows him as the 4th best defensive RF in the AL this year.
When I watch him play he seems OK out there. He badly missed one catch up in Fenway and I’ve seen him make 2 or 3 bad throws. Otherwise, he seems to me to have pretty good range for a RF.
If you think the defensive stats are wrong, I wouldn’t mind hearing why if you can be specific.
“The jeff francoeur experience: http://tinypic.com/r/2u9ib2r/5 ”
LMAO
I think the meeting was headed by Cashman and he explained that they are demoting the whole team to AAA and bringing up the AAA team…Igawa always tends to luck out doesnt he?
LOL jk!
But i think this meeting was like a last call for help by Girardi, cuz everyone knows that if the yankees are down but 6,-8 games by the all star break (god forbid it gets worse than 5 behind) then Girardi will, without question, be fired.
Francouer is a big upgrade over Swisher defensively, but can’t hit a lick.
Not that big an upgrade, possibly a downgrade
“Frenchy would make Robi look like Tony Gwynn in patience.”
In his career, Francouer has swung at a pitch out of the zone 36.2% of the time. Cano? 30.9%. Cano’s OBP is also almost 30 points higher.
You know, this data is available free for everyone. It’s not like I have some secret knowledge.
Once again, quit with the Swisher’s value is in his OBP. He ranks about the same among AL hitters in both OBP and SLG.
get rid of tomko,berroa/pena,bring up a reliever,trade 3 or 4 prospects for a 3rd baseman & dh arod.
if dh’ing arod doesn’t work send him in for surgery so he is ready for next year.
if arod doesn’t get it going he has to be taken out of the lineup & we will need a serviceable 3rd baseman wich we do not have in our system or our major league club.
the problem is that in a trade we are going to take a beating as far as losing a few good prospects.
I wouldn’t even trade Edwar Ramirez for Jeff Francouer.
I’d rather have Shelley Duncan in AAA than Jeff Francouer in the majors.
This is just the kind of run the Yanks are on Matt Lindstrom who shut the Yanks down 2 nights in a row guess what he is out as the Marlins closer due to injury
http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/.....njury.html
Swisher has the higher career UZR/150
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UZR, even over 150, is highly unreliable.
Defense just can’t be measured or systematized the way offense can, though people will die trying.
It really is useless to brandish UZR as some kind of shut-down evidence for a player’s defensive pedigree, or lack thereof.
rconn23
June 24th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Batting average is not more important that on-base percentage. It’s just not.
I’m not too sure that holds water. Tex had a high OBP as did ARod earlier. I would have much rather have had them at .280 and .350 than .210 and .380.
It’s hard to drive in runs and move guys over by walking. Base hits moves runners more than one base or at least everyone on base up one. It statistically is more advantageous. Walks are over rated.
I love how since the Yankees are in ATL all of sudden they are making trades with ATL.
When they go to Citi Field this weekend are we trading for Ryan Church?
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.....id=5011703
Gary Thorne you slay me here.
The question about Chambliss I know was a joke but, He is managing the Charlotte Knights. AAA-White Sox
Anyone else like to see A-Rod or Cano dropped in the order?
Am I the only one who doesn’t understand why the Yanks keep trotting out the same batting order?
Wave,
UZR stats don’t rate Cano and Tex that high defensively. Anybody watching those guys this year will tell you otherwise. Those guys have been great defensively this year.
Defensive stats are highly dubious and subjective. Even teams are not using them as much as they used to.
They are now relying on their own internally developed defensive rating systems.
Any system that is rating Swisher above average defensively this year haven’t been watching games.
The Yanks don’t start for another hour and a half, yet Derek Jeter has already grounded into a 6-4-3 double play.
Maybe we can trade Nick Swisher for Gary Sheffield, a PROVEN run producer with a cannon arm!!
“I wouldn’t even trade Edwar Ramirez for Jeff Francouer.
I’d rather have Shelley Duncan in AAA than Jeff Francouer in the majors.”
Eh.
OH HELL NO.
“UZR, even over 150, is highly unreliable.
Defense just can’t be measured or systematized the way offense can, though people will die trying.”
Your opinion, or do you have an argument? And what about RZR which agrees with UZR?
GO CODY
SJ44: Defensive stats should never be held as the be-all-end-all because there are so many problems with them. Hit-FX might help change that.
HOWEVER, Nick Swisher’s defense is being underrated because people have him seen him make a few bad plays. Swisher has shown excellent range running back and in the gaps on balls.
My eyes tell me he is average to above average but will make some mistakes.
By way of fer instance, Nick Swisher has gotten to dozens more balls than Bobby Abreu ever dreamed of getting to. Or should I say, had nightmares of getting to because the wall was sooo close to that one
“The Yanks don’t start for another hour and a half, yet Derek Jeter has already grounded into a 6-4-3 double play.”
Well Saint Derek was moved out of the 2 hole but still seems determined to hit into his normative 20 something double plays.
Then after the game he will be a true captain in saying, oh well you win some you lose some, its no big deal the team can’t hit a becachball, not worried at all. There’s a captain.
I know nothing about UZR, but any system that says Tex is not that great at first (and any ex-player, yes – you, Keith Hernandez) is useless. Tex is a great 1B – and Cano has been tremendous at 2nd. I don’t need to be a stat geek to know what I know – anyone with two eyes can see how good Tex and Cano have been.
This from noted sports writer Joe Posnanski, now writing for SI.
Let me give you a little thought experiment: Someone — no name — has been playing every day since the beginning of the 2008 season. Over that time — that’s 875 plate appearances — he has been hitting .244/.287/.355. That’s an OPS+ of 69, if you are scoring at home.
How bad is an OPS+ of 69?
–This bad: Tony Pena Jr., who may be the worst Major League hitter I have ever seen — a guy who in the last two years has been hitting .160 — had an OPS+ of 66 his only full season in the big leagues.
– This bad: In 2008, Jason Kendall slugged .324. … In 2007, Juan Uribe had a .284 on-base percentage. … In 2007, Juan Pierre hit zero home runs in 729 plate appearances … In 1995, Jeff Blauser hit .211 … In 1979 Rodney Scott slugged (SLUGGED) .294 … In 1989 Cory Snyder had a .251 on-base percentage …
What do all these have in common? Right: All of these players had an OPS+ better than 69.
–This bad: EIGHTY pitchers with at least 100 plate appearances in the big leagues have career OPS+ better than 69.
– This bad: There have been only four corner outfielders the last 50 years who have played a full year with an OPS+ of 69 or worse. Two of those four — Vince Coleman and Brian Hunter — at least led the league in stolen bases.
– Wait, one more bit of trivia, this time about that .355 slugging percentage — here is a partial list of players who have had better slugging percentages than our guy since the beginning of 2008: Denard Span, Jeff Keppinger, Juan Pierre (yes, Juan Pierre), Yuniesky Betancourt, Ryan Sweeney, John Buck, Erick Aybar, Lastings Milledge, Pedro Feliz, Chase Headley and Bill Hall.
Now, remember: You don’t know this guy’s name. He has an OPS+ of 69. His slugging percentage is lower than Juan Pierre’s. He’s also exceedingly slow — he has stolen two bases the last two years (been thrown out twice too), and the Bill James base-running numbers show him to be a minus-six base runner already this year. He does not play a premium defensive position. He has a reputation as a good defensive outfielder — even won a Gold Glove one year — but the Dewan rating system had him as the 30th best right fielder in baseball last year, and the UZR/150 — which ranks how many runs above average a player is over 150 games — shows him to be below average this year.
Now, I’m asking you: Would you TRADE for this guy? Forget the name, forget the Sports Illustrated cover, forget the fact that he’s a competitor (and I have no doubt that he is a competitor), forget all that. Would you trade for THIS GUY?
Anecdotally, Nick Swisher has actually been above average in RF if you consider how many hard hit fly balls he has tracked. If you look at the games you’ll notice this.
Jerkface, are you watching the same games? His range stinks and he has no arm. He can’t judge balls hit to his left either.
I live in DC and the Sawks and all their bandwagon fans are down here, I’m afraid that if i see one more person in a Dustin Pedroia jersey, Im gonna get into a street fight… Can’t deal with it.
Yankee fans in Boston, How do you do it?
Jerkface defensively
Frenchy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Swisher
I’m sorry but that’s a fact.
SJ44-
I think both those systems use data taken by people who actually do watch the games. That’s the point, isn’t it?
What, specifically, is wrong with each of them? I’m serious, not baiting you.
They probably aren’t perfect by a long shot but then they seem like an honest attempt to measure fielders against each other. That’s very difficult to do without math.
I’m sure they could be improved upon, and will. But in the meantime, I’d like to know why they are so particularly misleading, especially if you look at more than one.
Pete,
You are right.
Steely Dan is very underrated. Always wanted to see them live.
Hits, Runs and Wins. Doesn’t have to be in that order.
Hate being laughed at. Doesn’t this team hate being laughed at?
Adam,
Hangin’ in the nation is never easy.
Ignoring works the best.
Jerkface, are you watching the same games? His range stinks and he has no arm. He can’t judge balls hit to his left either.
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Did you see the ball he laid out for in Boston? Or when he went back to the scoreboard in NYS? Or any of the other times he has managed to track down balls in the gaps? He takes better routes than Melky OR Gardner, which allows him to get to some balls that would require speed otherwise.
He just makes some boneheaded moves and is wary about running into the stands.
Francoeur is a garbage hitter the league figured him out he will never again have a season like his season in 2006. Even Chipper Jones said he cant make adjustments. If Francoeur was on the yankees in two weeks you would see the majority of yankee fans wanting to trade him.
When SJ begins to panic and believes the Yankees are out of it, that’s probably a good sign that they’re out of it.
But to be 5 games out of first, with the team that we have, it could be August and I would have no doubt that we’re still in it.
Alex Rodriguez may be one of the most talented players in the game – in its history, even. I doubt that he’s “lost it” as so many of you claim. He will be better – much better – and it will be soon. The guy has a hip injury and is slower with his bat because of it. Give him some time to get his stroke back. He was stealing bases the other day and has been more than adequate in the field.
It’s not his body breaking down – that just sounds ridiculous.
“Defense just can’t be measured or systematized the way offense can, though people will die trying.”
OK, we’ll take your word for it. Or some of the people here who have seen Francouer play one game this year and have decided how good he is.
“It really is useless to brandish UZR as some kind of shut-down evidence for a player’s defensive pedigree, or lack thereof.”
Unfair scope shift. Nobody held UZR up to that standard. I will, however, forever maintain that it is better than whatever your biased eyeballs tell you.
“Would you trade for THIS GUY?”
Depends on what you want for him.
Brandon… “Farve 3, NFL FRUSTRATED RETIRE ALREADY FANS 0″
June 24th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
“trading an outfielder for another outfielder does exactly what??”
Well he was a GG OF, W/ a Vlad like arm from OF to home plate.
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my point is that trading outfielders that put up similar numbers if francoeur reverts back to his best years,a huge if is not the yankees problem.
imo the problem is arod & cf production.
if we had francoeur we have a better arm but risk losing a ton of offense & even if he reverts back to his best years it doesn’t fix our problems.
if francoeur was putting up similar numbers to swish then i would do the trade but right now he is awfull & could end up with no production from him at all.
too big of a chance to take.
we need arod to start hitting.if not we have big problems.
we can sit still & play scrubs or lose a bunch of prospects in a trade for a 3rd baseman.
both not pretty.
Awesome post Mo. It’s hilarious how bad Francouer is and how much Atlanta lets him play.
Tracking fly balls won’t do a Hell of a lot of good if he doesn’t catch them.
DB-
Swisher’s range is not bad. I go to the games, I sit behind first base, and I’m telling you his range is not bad. He missed that one ball to his left in Fenway, but generally he seems to me to have no trouble going either to his right or his left.
He does look awkward sometimes, but I really think it is the couple of glaring bad plays that are biasing you. Just my opinion, of course, a lot of folks here agree with you.
Shouldn’t it be obvious to everyone here that Swisher was called in because he was the topic of conversation here at the Lohud Yankees Blog?
Joe Pos is what other sports writers should aspire to be. He uses stats, anecdotes, story, pathos, ethos, logos, the whole nine yards and is able to craft amazing articles about baseball.
His pujols article for SI was ridiculous.
“Francoeur is a garbage hitter the league figured him out he will never again have a season like his season in 2006. Even Chipper Jones said he cant make adjustments. If Francoeur was on the yankees in two weeks you would see the majority of yankee fans wanting to trade him.”
We know that. But he still brings sparactic offense and exceptional defense. It’s not like your trading a #3 hitter for a #3 hitter, his spot would be what # 7 8 ? so….. IDK. Just not for Melky unless they land Gonzalez or Soriano.
“I’m sorry but that’s a fact.”
You really need to look up what the word “fact” means. I mean, by definition, that is not a fact. Even Swisher>Frenchy is not a fact.
“Did you see the ball he laid out for in Boston?”
You mean the one a few innings after he turned Pedroia’s routine flyball into a double?
DB,
It “holds water” because some of the best minds in the game believe in it. Billy Beane, Theo Epstein, and yes, Brian Cashman – among them.
Better on-base percentage translates to more runs. It’s a simple equation.
A refusal to take walks is bad plate discipline, plain and simple. It takes away another facet of the offense. Robinson Cano is hitting well now, but if he’s not getting basehits, he has no offensive value. He doesn’t have a good understanding of the strike zone and likely never will.
It’s why he is so bad hitting with runners in scoring position.
This is one of many reasons the Red Sox are a better offensive team than the Yankees. Up and down that lineup are guys, who aren’t afraid to take a walk. Pedroia, Drew, Youkilis, Bay, Lowell, Varitek. And guess what, it helps their team win games. Novel concept, I know.
They don’t swing at crap pitches. Just like the 1998-2000 Yankees squad. They wore down opposing pitchers because of their plate discipline.
He just makes some boneheaded moves and is wary about running into the stands.
That my friend is the PROBLEM!!!!
Abreau anyone?
Instead of a wall behind him he is afraid of a wall next to him. Tack on his rag arm and you have a replacement level fielder.
GB7: He catches them more often than not. Every defensive metric and retrosheet play by play will back this up. As well as your eyes if you actually remembered EVERY play and not just the ones he didn’t make.
I probably wouldn’t trade Angel Berroa for Jeff Francouer. Simply for fear that Girardi would give Francouer any playtime. I’d rather have a useless guy on the 25 man getting zero playtime than Francouer on the roster getting a lot of playtime.
If I could trade Berroa for Francouer and be guaranteed that Francouer would get equal playtime as Berroa has recieved, sure I’d make that trade. Otherwise, not in a million years.
By the “range factor” stat, MLB ranks Swisher at 65th among 95 outfielders having a measureable stat. His RF is 2.00. By way of comparison, Abreu ranks fourteen places higher, 51st at 2.21.
Abreu also has five assists. Swisher has one assist and that was to second base on a play where the runner from third scored on the sac fly. He has not thrown out a runner at the plate all year.
DB,
First, you’re wrong about Swisher’s fielding. Second, don’t use “replacement level fielder” unless you’re going to use it properly.
Why are people boasting Nick Swisher as if he’s a good defensive player in the OF ?
rconn23, I’m not saying walks are not important. They aren’t as important as putting balls in play and getting base hits. The RS don’t have guys hitting .220 with an OBP of .400.
Jerkface
June 24th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
GB7: He catches them more often than not. Every defensive metric and retrosheet play by play will back this up. As well as your eyes if you actually remembered EVERY play and not just the ones he didn’t make.
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I agree overall Swisher is fine in right field. He makes a couple of bonehead plays which is why people think he is horrible. But he has made a lot of nice catches that Abreu would of never made this year.
Patrick, read the post above mine.
The Swisher for President troops are out in force.
UPDATE, 5:48 p.m.: Girardi on his job security: “I know the drill here. Win or go home.”
Better start winning buddy
“range factor” has nothing to do with defensive ability.
RF = (Putouts + assists) / games played
It means absolutely nothing..
“He makes a couple of bonehead plays which is why people think he is horrible.”
That and too many drop in front of him.
why are you guys argueing ove a non issue???
FRancoeur sucks, swisher is not roger maris but he is a good 4th OF with a 40 point higher OBP then FRanceour who the yanks can have for nothing next year if they like..
really to argue over thsi issue just means you guys would argue over what direction the sun sets in…
franceour stinks, swisher is a decent player with agood power and a high obp, but strikes out a ton and has a lw contact % weh heswings the bat….really is it more complicated then this??
why don’t you guys argue over jeff keppinger compared to nick punto next????who the hell cares……….
In what universe is Nady better than Swisher?
timo-
range factor is a pretty poor stat. It mixes up too many variables – % of balls hit to the fielder, KO tendency of the staff, the small right YS field in Nick’s case, among many.
It has been supplanted by stats like UZR and RZR and others.
Would you mind telling me how calling him replacement level is incorrect? Maybe not be your sabermetrics that ranks a walk as the same as a base hit. But, I’ll take any joe schmo out there and slap him right field over the SWISH.
“They don’t swing at crap pitches. Just like the 1998-2000 Yankees squad. They wore down opposing pitchers because of their plate discipline.”
That’s one of the things I noticed about the Red Skunks, Pedroia or Youkilis will make out and the helmet rack and water coolers have a price to pay, not to mention there teammates usually clear out of their way in the dugout.
For the Yanks on the other hand, Swisher, Cano, Arod, etc don’t advance a man or get the runner in with less than two outs. They go back to the dugout and Cano returns to eating his sunflower seeds, Swisher sits there with a dumb look on his face and as for Alex well we all know his issues.
The makeup of the two teams and their approach to wanting to succeed at all levels night in and night out is something that cannot be coached. Their is a reason why we as fans keep talking about a guy like Paul O’Neill. He just had that warrior mentality to succeed like we see in guys at the heat of the Red Sox, they never want to give up an out.
Sadly can’t say the same for this reincarnation of Yanks on the field.
A former Yankee, Andy Phillips joined the Hiroshima Toyo Carp, a professional baseball team in Japan’s Central League (Soriano played for them, too before he was acquired by the Yankees). Good luck, Andy! Aaron Guiel, who joined the Tokyo Yakult Swallows a few years ago is playing a lot better this year.
On the other hand, Darrell Rasner of Tohoku Rakuten Eagles has been terrible:
W-L: 3-3
ERA: 5.54
“Patrick, read the post above mine.
The Swisher for President troops are out in force. ”
Which one? I see some guy talking about OBP. I have no idea what you’re talking about. To be quite honest, most of your arguments make little sense.
I didn’t vote for Swisher for President, I didn’t even vote him to the allstar team. I don’t care what haircut he has or how he shakes people’s hands. He is simply a good player. Solid defense, great OBP, very good power.
Wave Your Hat
June 24th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
“UZR, even over 150, is highly unreliable.
Defense just can’t be measured or systematized the way offense can, though people will die trying.”
Your opinion, or do you have an argument? And what about RZR which agrees with UZR?
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Yeah, I have an argument.
Torrii Hunter, Adam Jones, Carlos Beltran and Jacoby Ellsbury are ALL not just inferior – but VASTLY inferior to Brett Gardner, if you rely on UZR.
Hunter – UZR: -3,2
UZR/150: -5.6
Jones: -5.8/-14.5
Beltran: -4.1/-8.1
Here’s Ellsbury UZR: -4.3
Brett Gardner?
UZR: 5.5
UZR/150 : 10.4
Now you tell me if there isn’t something rotten in the state of UZR when it comes to rating these CFs.
Swisher is not a good outfielder. He misses cut off men and throws rainbows.
I would rotate him, Melky and Gardner between center and right field if Damon is not hurt and can play left. And hope Melky and Gardner get hot. All of them, other than Melky are below average defensively.
Remember the Yanks got Swisher to play 1 base. Good that they signed Tex because Swisher would have been only slightly better than Giambi.
Would you mind telling me how calling him replacement level is incorrect? Maybe not be your sabermetrics that ranks a walk as the same as a base hit. But, I’ll take any joe schmo out there and slap him right field over the SWISH.
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Replacement level players are terrible and Nick Swisher is hitting 30% better than an AVERAGE player right now, while playing average defense.
A replacement level player is like sticking Cody Ransom in the game.
No stuart and richie, this debate is about Swisher being a good outfielder and an everyday player.
Sure, maybe on the Pirates.
“Why are people boasting Nick Swisher as if he’s a good defensive player in the OF ?”
Maybe all the L’s the Yanks have racked up recently is beginning to cloud logical comprehension of what a good defensive player actually is. Would you actually bring Swisher into a game defensively late on, nuff said.
Yeah he is a sure dynamo in the field. Pass the barf bag.
“Now you tell me if there isn’t something rotten in the state of UZR when it comes to rating these CFs.”
I can’t.
Wave,
The problem with many of the defensive rating systems is they fail to take into account several factors.
One, defensive positioning. Often, a player may look out of position to get to a ball and is downgraded by the person evaluating that particular game. However, the way he was positioned affects his range on a given play. Too often (the complaint about the UZR system specifically that I’ve heard from teams) a player is downgraded for his range on a certain play that is more a factor of where he was positioned by his coaches on a play rather than his inability to get to a certain ball.
Also, some of the people who log the data really aren’t good at logging it, or have any idea what to look for from a defensive player.
Give you a current example. Some defensive metric systems have downgraded Robinson Cano’s range this year. That’s comical to me because Tex has so much range, Cano can now play closer to the middle of the field.
In essence, he gets downgraded for range to his left (ie: an area of the field he no longer has to cover as much because of Tex’s position on the field) and is considered “average” going to his right.
Despite the fact that he has made several plays to his right this year, especially on hard hit balls, that nobody in baseball, even Chase Utley, could have made this year.
Teams have actually begun to put together copyrighted, internal defensive systems in an attempt to gain more accuracy in being able to determine one’s defensive skills.
Its why a lot of people aren’t using the public defensive metric systems as much as they have in the past.
As far as Swisher is concerned, comparing him to Bobby Abreu defensively is like comparing the driving skills of Stevie Wonder to a driver with sight.
ANYBODY is better in RF than Bobby Abreu.
His range is so so and his arm is really bad. Not as advertised.
He seems to have real problems coming in for balls. Side to side, he’s actually pretty good.
Coming in on balls? Its an adventure.
Of the 6 balls he had hit in his direction last weekend in Florida, catchable balls, not the hits in gaps, every one was an adventure for him. He made the plays but, he was awkward to say the least.
He is what he is. Probably not as bad as his detractors think he is and not as good as his supporters think he is.
Overall, I wish they had a better, everyday option out there.
They don’t so, they will have to live with Nick. Just the way it goes.
WVH and Patrick: I’m sure range factor has its limitations but so do the other defensive stats and there is a reason MLB compiles the stat.
There’s no debating the assists. Not a single runner thrown out at the plate or going first to third, and that’s not because people are afraid to run on him.
the big problem is that cashman is just taking this team sideways.
he spent a fortune on free agents and the team is no different than last year.
cashman just doesn’t get the job done.
UZR/150 is a good stat about defense. Teixeira doesn’t have a good uzr. Even Keith Hernandez said Teixeira is not smooth and does not have a lot of range. Which is basically what Teix UZR says. But UZR does not talk about the balls in the dirt that Teixeira is good at scooping.
Or tex’s ability to make a lot of plays right around him. As well as his athleticism that lets him smother a ball, get up, and fire to 2nd to cut down a lead runner.
But he doesn’t have range. Lets not pretend he does. Anyone can see Tex give up on balls hit to far to his right.
Correct me if I’m wrong but a replacement level player is 10% worse than the league average in a particular category. That is Swisher’s defense….not offense. His offense is way above that when he is hot and way below that every time else.
Tex is a great 1B – and Cano has been tremendous at 2nd.
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Yes but I think it’s lukewarm to say Cano “has been tremendous” – this implies he is in a hot stretch and his play isn’t representative.
Cano is a gret 2B. No need to qualify. He’s great.
swisher is a adequate OF. He has a high OBP but his inabilty to have consistent contact is a big problem.
can you win with swisher? absolutely if he does not run the bases like a retard, and plays a clean OF
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his inability to make contact hinders where you can hit him in the lineup..his taking a lot of pitches helps a ton, getting to teams middle relief. so in summary he is a decent player…again he is better then francoeur…
“So what level of performance does a VORP=0 team represent? Well, using the 1998 season MLB statistics to date, a all-replacement-level team would hit about .235/.300/.356 and have a RA of 5.85. ”
http://www.stathead.com/bbeng/.....escnew.htm
Listen, if you want to get younger, and more versatile, plus more speed trade FA’s to be Damon to LAA for Chone Figgins.
Jeff Francouer is so messed up, he even sought help from Rudy Jaramillo. No to Swisher for Francouer. At best Francouer is a late inning defensive replacement. Now if you want to talk Berroa for Francouer! LOL.
Went to the game last night and came away from these impressions:
1. Lot’s of Yankee fans, especially Jeter fans at the game.
2. Hanson was erratic, and as usual Yankees couldn’t muster any offense. Plus Hanson was 93mph tops of radar gun.
3. Swisher can’t bunt.
4. Posada had the worst game of his career both behind the plate and at bat. Looked lost, like Andruw Jones was last year.
5. Jeter can still hit into the inning ending DP.
6. A-Rod is nowhere near being able to help offensively, and would be best served at DH, as his play in the field is somewhat limited.
7. Wang looked good some innings hitting 95 at times, but was rocked by to many long fly balls, some that would have been homers in Yankee stadium.
8. Hughes is the real deal and needs to start. Looked very confident and Braves hitters were lost against him.
9. Girardi tried every offensive play, including double steals, but alas, the Yankee hitters collectively are at an all time low this year.
10. It’s hot here in Atlanta but nowhere near as hot and humid as it was in Florida, so I certainly hope Sabathia is 100%
***The Yankees were once 9-4 in one-run games. They are now 10-9.***
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Wow.
Save the Malos/Tums for Wak and Crew….
M’s have played 31 one-run games (18-13)
‘t will be interesting when our two teams meet next week, considering current stats such as…
~ Yanks bats lead the majors in home runs
~ M’s arm’s lead the AL in ERA
Something’s gotta give
Swisher has a positive UZR, and is this not 10% less average. He ranks 5th in the AL.
*Malox
Cano is not a tremenodus 2B. he has the potential to be tremendous but I think his lack of plate discipline which has hindered him for years is his achilles heel. the clock is running out on his development he is in his 4th season up, he has not taken the next step to stardom. he presently is a very talented better then avg. 2B but far from a star..
his inabilty to work counts, take pitches, and low OBP hurt the team. also his BA with RISP is not at star level by any stretch. also for a 2B he steals zero bases but his better then avg. power for a 2B make up for the lack of speed….
Yeah jerkface, sounds like better than Swishers May stats.
“That doesn’t explain the meeting with Swisher. With Nady close, he may be headed back to the bench.”
Good, I hope he enjoys being the class clown in the dugout. He was given the everyday job through injury, started off red hot and then came back to his true median like a ton of rocks.
See how funny and humorous he is now, and how loose the clubhouse is, oh that’s right none of that matters when you are losing night in and night out and the team looks lifeless.
“Overall, I wish they had a better, everyday option out there.
They don’t so, they will have to live with Nick. Just the way it goes. ”
Ok but you could say that for every position but 3B. I wish we had a team of:
Mauer C
Pujols 1B
Utley 2B
Ramirez SS
A-rod 3B
Braun LF
Beltran CF
Upton RF
I WISH we had all of those players but it’s not going to happen.
The fact is, Swisher plays okay defense in a low priority position. He is an above-average hitter expected to hit 8th in the lineup. Find me a better #8 hitter and maybe I’ll entertain the idea that he needs to be replaced.
Swisher leads all AL outfielders in Swisherific ‘tude.
Now really, does anybody take what Keith Hernandez says seriously?
Anybody who says Tex is “stiff” out there is just trying to protect his own legacy or relies too much on unreliable stats.
He’s anything but “stiff” out there.
Bobby Cox told a friend of mine in Boston last week that Tex is the second best defensive first baseman, next to Donnie Baseball, that he has seen in his time in the game.
Now Bobby Cox probably doesn’t know an UZR rating from an AK-47. However, he forgot more about than most people who compile these stats know about the game of baseball.
Any system that downgrades Mark Teixeira’s ability defensively is not a system to be trusted.
should i start porcello against harden & the cubs & gavin floyd against randy wolf & the dodgers in my fantasy league??
“Upton RF”
which Upton? lol
Swisher is really a poor player. An occasional HR doesn’t make up for terrible play in the field, funky base running and a low baseball IQ. He really needs to join the announcing team and do PR instead of playing.
both at home
“which Upton? lol”
The Upton that plays RF obviously..
Justin.
Patrick,
Here is where you lose me in your defense of Swisher.
You keep saying he’s an “above average hitter”. He’s not an above average hitter.
Is he a better hitter than Drew, Rios, Abreu, and Nelson Cruz? Those are 4 RF’s of the teams the Yankees are fighting for playoff positioning against this season.
I don’t think he is as good as any of those 4 hitters and I wouldn’t classify all of those guys as “above average hitters”.
He’s not hitting 8th in the Yankee lineup. He’s hitting 6th and 7th on most nights.
I could name you a lot of guys who are better 6th and 7th place hitters than Nick.
He’s just a guy and nothing more. He’s not a difference maker which, “above average hitters” are in MLB.
Berroa and 2 buckets of balls is traded to the Mets for 1 bucket of balls! Diet Coke says the Mets fleeced the Yanks!
did i see someone mention william s. burroughs?
“The Upton that plays RF obviously..”
well you could’ve moved BJ over, and justin is the better choice obviously
this made me laugh especially with all the francour talk today:
http://i43.tinypic.com/2u9ib2r.jpg
Pete,
Did you ask why Melky wasn’t supposed to be in the original lineup?
Melky>>Swish
Teixeira is the best and smartest defensive first baseman in the game.
“He’s anything but “stiff” out there.”
Giambi is the definition of “stiff.”
Jerkface
June 24th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Swisher has a positive UZR, and is this not 10% less average. He ranks 5th in the AL.
5th in the AL for what? what stats are you reading? I see him ranked 39th out of 70 in UZR and 30th out of 70 in UZR/150.
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I can look at a list of all CF’s by RZR (I don’t know where to find that by UZR). Gardner seems to rank pretty low. Beltran ranks above him. Ellsbury and Hunter rank a little below him, not much.
There’s probably a sample size issue, but frankly that seems about right to me.
SJ44-
Your observations are good ones, but I wonder how much difference they make.
Positioning. This could make a difference a little, but presumably the Yankee brain trust is positioning these guys the best they know how. And while I think Tex is good, I don’t think he is stealing that many balls from Cano. There’s just too big a gap between a first baseman’s right and a second baseman’s left to make that big a difference, in my opinion.
Observers – My guess is the people watching the plays, while not experts, are as good as you and I are in deciding whether a play should be made. Over a lot of observations, I suspect the biases are closer to evening out than not.
My belief is that the defensive stats are far from perfect but overall less biased than I am, or you are, when forming judgments. I think it is better to have them than not.
Hernandez is just classless…….fortunately, I got to root for one of the classiest men ever to put on a uniform. Donnie has been very complimentary of Tex – he’s certainly not jealous like Hernandez seems to bge. It’s been so long since Donnie has manned first base – I wish there were clips available to watch because he’s one player I would pay to watch play D. He was just the very best……
Who’s Keith Hernandez? Was he one of those Mets coke fiends?
If Tex is stiff the other Yankees have achieved rigor mortis. Tex is the most fiery player we have.
i think swishers career high for rbi’s is in the low 80’s.. that is not a above avg hitter, he is above avg for getting on base, that would be of more value if he was brett gardner fast which he is not.
it was time for abreu to go but let’s be real abreu is a much much much better hitter then swisher. it is not even close, abreu is in decline and he is better then swisher is now………..
Keith Hernandez won a championship… he gets the last laugh.
Wave,
Its because you are more trusting of pure statistical data than I am.
When teams, who are loathe to spend any money at this point in time, are paying to develop their own defensive programs because these defensive metric systems are so unreliable, something tells me they aren’t accurate.
Swisher is 4th in the AL for RFers in UZR/150
If the Yanks knew the market was going to fall apart:
A. They dont take on Swishers contract
B. They re-sign Abreau for what the Angels signed him for
Swisher career high 35 hr and 95 rbi. He is on pace to hit around 30 homeruns and driving in 80 rbi. Yes Swisher is not that good of a hitter.
Yankee Trader
June 24th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Teixeira is the best and smartest defensive first baseman in the game.
“He’s anything but “stiff” out there.”
Giambi is the definition of “stiff.”
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Defensively, a stiff ( a real stiff – like Jake Beckley, dead for 91 years) would be better than Giambi.
Ledger_Yankees: Cashman just held court. He’s “not hear to send a message.” In other news, I’ve sworn off ballpark hot dogs (wink,wink). –Carig
Patrick-
We fought the good fight but I leave it to you to argue with the Swisher haters for the rest of the night. I’m going home.
I think Hit-Fx is going to allow a real jump off in terms of defensive metrics. Though it would really be great if we could just track everything from a player. Start point to end point, route, speed, distance covered, speed of ball, etc
Winning a championship doesn’t make somebody correct in whatever they say.
Homer Bush has more rings than Keith Hernandez. Are you going to give him more weight in baseball discussions?
How about Clay Bellinger, another guy with more rings than Keith? Does he get more cred in baseball discussions?
If you asked Keith what he would rather have, Tex’s contract or the ring, he would give you the ring and take the cash.
Especially given the way he spends it in the Hamptons every summer.
“But he doesn’t have range. Lets not pretend he does. Anyone can see Tex give up on balls hit to far to his right.”
I haven’t seen that. He has terrific range. In particular, his range when he’s holding guys on base at first is fantastic. Some of the best I’ve seen.
And the Fielding Bible disagrees with you. Tex was the best defensive first baseman in baseball last year by the Fielding Bible. Better than Pujols. That’s not happening if you don’t have great range.
You’re correct about Swisher. He was robbed of 4 Silver Slugger Awards and 5 Gold Gloves at 1st base and the outfield…..each.
Cashman is here in the middle of a roadtrip. Highly, highly unusual.
If this team was playing well, he wouldn’t be anywhere near Atlanta today.
Problem is, unless he can find 7 guys who can hit, can magically heal Arod’s hip, and turn Joba Chamberlain into a 23 year old version of CC Sabathia, being in Atlanta doesn’t accomplish a whole lot.
Jerkface, that sounds like a heck of a lot better than what we got now. Too bad you couldn’t put a system like that in high schools, colleges, and minor league parks. Sounds pretty sophisticated.
I don’t think anyone is better than Albert Pujols at 1st. He makes a ridiculous amount of ‘out of zone’ plays at 1st.
He is an elite talent on offense and defense.
If STL let him become a free agent I would want the Yankees to sign him no matter the cost. I don’t even care if we couldnt play him anywhere. Let tex DH or play 3rd.
girardi does not deserve to be fired… some players do but not the manager.
pitching tomko in the game in florida was a mistake and i said it before he imploded, girardi has made a hand full of other mistakes this year, which is no big deal.. most managers biggest mistake is with the bullpen and saving guys for the future games and therefore not giving there team the best chance to win today, and it often comes back to haunt them..mike scioscio does not make that mistake he tries to win todays game because he does not have a crystal ball about tommorrows game. there close fuentes leads the league in saves this year and he has been OK.. scioscia says we will figure out tommorrow, tommorrow. for all we know tommorrow may be a blow out….
I think Keith Hernandez got the hair die a little too close to the nostrils when he made that comment about Tex.
CB
June 24th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
“But he doesn’t have range. Lets not pretend he does. Anyone can see Tex give up on balls hit to far to his right.”
I haven’t seen that. He has terrific range. In particular, his range when he’s holding guys on base at first is fantastic. Some of the best I’ve seen.
And the Fielding Bible disagrees with you. Tex was the best defensive first baseman in baseball last year by the Fielding Bible. Better than Pujols. That’s not happening if you don’t have great range.
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He is not showing great range this year. There been plenty of balls slowely hit to the right that should of been grabbed. Even Kay and Singleton brought it up during one of the baltimore games at Camden yards.
I don’t see Girardi getting fired in season. They haven’t fired a manager in season in almost 20 years. I don’t see a scenario that has him getting canned in season.
Even if they fell out of the race, I could see them going the “drip, drip” route and firing coaches before Girardi.
Mainly because you want to show the next guy who gets the job he will get full seasons and that in season firings are not on the agenda.
Cash & Joe G were probably talking to each other about who to release and who to bring up as far as needs go.
(Pena, Berroa & Tomko are all in the discussion I’m sure.)
The meeting with Swish was probably to tell him to tone things down and to wake up while on the field. Kind of a lets focus type talk!
Also, the hitters meeting was probably to discuss where Boston buys their bats and to see if the Yankees can intercept a delivery.
SJ44,
Swisher, Drew, and Cruz are having very similar seasons, although I would place Cruz’s season a bit higher right now. Go look at the numbers, and those two guys are hitting higher in the order than Swish is. All three of those guys are having better seasons than Abreu and Rios. I’m not saying he is better than those guys, but he is playing better thus far.
I thought Swisher was the glue that holds it all together???
“I don’t think anyone is better than Albert Pujols at 1st. He makes a ridiculous amount of ‘out of zone’ plays at 1st. ”
Ok. That’s your subjective opinion and the subjective importance you place on out of zone plays.
Defense as a whole however is not entirely reducible to out of zone plays. That might be the most important factor but one is not reducible to the other. Too often nowadays people make them out to be synonymous. They aren’t.
Tex for example throws about as well as any 1b I’ve seen. Phenomenal. How many great throws has he made this year to 2b – even from his knees?
That’s not reflected in UZR or out of zone plays at all.
And last year Tex was better by the Fielding Bible.
Pujols was better by UZR. Tex was better by the Fielding Bible. Make of that what you will.
You are going off an announcers comment on a game in Baltimore as your assessment of Tex’s defensive abilities?
How many games have you watched this year? Seriously, I want to know.
If you have watched the games this year, and still want to argue he has “no range”, you don’t know what you are talking about.
Can’t stand listening to Keith Hernandez. I swear, he sounds like Nathan Lane in “The Bird Cage”.
“He is not showing great range this year. There been plenty of balls slowely hit to the right that should of been grabbed. Even Kay and Singleton brought it up during one of the baltimore games at Camden yards.”
I haven’t seen that at all. And quoting Michael Kay as evidence of a position is utterly meaningless. He’s awful.
Michael Kay assured us that Phil Hughes would never by much more than an average pitcher. How about that?
Teixeira is the best and smartest defensive first baseman in the game.
“He’s anything but “stiff” out there.”
Giambi is the definition of “stiff.”
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Defensively, a stiff ( a real stiff – like Jake Beckley, dead for 91 years) would be better than Giambi.
GB7-LOL! How do you know all this trivia? Jake Beckley had 481 errors, mostly at 1st, in 20 seasons.
Definition of Stiff-not easily bent!! Use it in a sentence. Giambi is a stiffy!
GB,
He’s habitually unprepared in the booth and just speaks off the top of his head. The Teixeira comments are a classic example of that.
Unlike Ron Darling, who prepares every night as if its the 7th game of the World Series, Keith just thinks being Keith is enough. It isn’t and sounds dumber by the year.
Classic case of someone thinking personality in the booth trumps knowledge. It never works that way in TV.
SJ44
June 24th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
I don’t see Girardi getting fired in season. They haven’t fired a manager in season in almost 20 years. I don’t see a scenario that has him getting canned in season.
Even if they fell out of the race, I could see them going the “drip, drip” route and firing coaches before Girardi.
Mainly because you want to show the next guy who gets the job he will get full seasons and that in season firings are not on the agenda.
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Mike Harkey will be the first to go. That’s going to be the tell-tale sign that Girardi’s on official notice.
Keith Hernandez? I DESPISE Keith Hernandez.
SJ44
June 24th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
You are going off an announcers comment on a game in Baltimore as your assessment of Tex’s defensive abilities?
How many games have you watched this year? Seriously, I want to know.
If you have watched the games this year, and still want to argue he has “no range”, you don’t know what you are talking about.
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I watched everygame I am not saying that Teixeira is not good defensively, he is very good defensively. But he is not great until he shows more range this year.
“Keith Hernandez? I DESPISE Keith Hernandez.”
Yankee Trader
June 24th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Teixeira is the best and smartest defensive first baseman in the game.
“He’s anything but “stiff” out there.”
Giambi is the definition of “stiff.”
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Defensively, a stiff ( a real stiff – like Jake Beckley, dead for 91 years) would be better than Giambi.
GB7-LOL! How do you know all this trivia? Jake Beckley had 481 errors, mostly at 1st, in 20 seasons.
Definition of Stiff-not easily bent!! Use it in a sentence. Giambi is a stiffy!
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Years ago, I wrote up a list of players that had no business being in the HOF. My list had him as borderline. Rabbit Maranville, Tinker-Evers and Chance (they’re in because of a poem) Kirby Puckett, Don Drysdale, PeeWee Reese, Phil Rizzuto, Dizzzy Dean, Ross Youngs were all at the top of the list.
SJ44
June 24th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
“I don’t see Girardi getting fired in season. They haven’t fired a manager in season in almost 20 years. I don’t see a scenario that has him getting canned in season.”
I’ve heard you say that multiple times lately, but it doesn’t prove anything. In fact if anything the Yankees may be due to fire one during a season. I know I am not a Joe G fan, but I want the Yanks to win and if a monkey coaching would ensure that I’d be happy. Joe G appears to be an uncomfortable person who controls everything and is what I usually call him, “A Control Freak”. Now I am sure he comes by this naturally as he is an engineer and a Catcher. The team is playing very tight and poorly. I’m sure some of the players have expressed thru their agents or directly to Cash Money their displeasure with Joe G’s antics. I’m sure Joe G is a nice guy really, but I doubt seriously if many of the Yankees trust him. The team has had a lot of injuries but so have a lot of other teams. I just believe Joe G is in over his head and the players are dumbfounded at his lack of emotion and lack of communication. I hope I’m wrong & the Yanks turn it around & Joe G has 10 championships in the next 10 years.
You are going off an announcers comment on a game in Baltimore as your assessment of Tex’s defensive abilities?
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How many games do announcers watch in a season >:)
Suddenly bias based on the tried and true ‘DO YOU WATCH THE GAMES?’ is flipped around
It shows a lot. It shows that they aren’t interested in firing a manager in season. Its something they didn’t do when George was still in charge and he has a much more itchy trigger finger on these things than Hal or Cash.
That’s why its unlikely to happen.
Also, give me evidence where Girardi has been a “control freak” this year. He’s been anything but.
That’s probably one of his problems this year. He’s giving the players almost too much free reign in terms of staying too long with some of them when they are going poorly.
The “GI Joe” stuff was a legit complaint last year. This year? We aren’t seeing any of that stuff so far.
Not even off the record whispers by the players to the beat guys. Nothing.
SJ44
June 24th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
GB,
He’s habitually unprepared in the booth and just speaks off the top of his head. The Teixeira comments are a classic example of that.
Unlike Ron Darling, who prepares every night as if its the 7th game of the World Series, Keith just thinks being Keith is enough. It isn’t and sounds dumber by the year.
Classic case of someone thinking personality in the booth trumps knowledge. It never works that way in TV.
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I’m from an older time, but, TV has ruined the art of announcing. I’d almost rather listen to the old timers on radio than watch and listen on TV. Jack Brickhouse, Herb Carneel, Bob Eucker, Ernie Harwell, Barber and Allen, Milo Hamilton and Bob Elson, Bob Prince, Herb Score were the best of the radio picture painters. PeeWee Reese, Dizzy Dean, Bob Wolf and Jim Kaat was probably the best of the TV guys.
If your standard for Girardi is winning 6 titles in 10 years, I’ll save you a lot of time……Its not going to happen.
Not with Girardi, Mattingly, or anybody else in the near future.
The game is too balanced because of revenue sharing and parity, to have a run like that again in the near future for any team, let alone the Yankees.
Talking about firing a manager is the default for lack of analysis. If Cashman had his choice he would excise this roster now. Unfortunately it’s like the NBA with a salary cap.
Matsui, Swisher and Damon are one or 1/2 dimensional players. They can’t defend and will hit .260 with an occasional power. A team can afford one of these type of players but not three.
It’s about game time which means SJ’s clone comes out to play.
Or imposter rather. Imposter clone.
In case things get wacky in here as the game progresses, the mets lohud blog might be a safe haven. No one there.
cash said the answer is here or in house.
will he still feel that way if arod has to come out of the lineup for good or has to dh?
Pinstripes preparing…
Cradle of “The Georgia Peach”…
Soaring azure skies…
Keith Hernandez? I DESPISE Keith Hernandez.
Nice Game pretty Boy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
Lets go…Yank…ees…
Stultus,
I guess he/its been out lately, eh?
I’m probably here for another 5 minutes and then I am out for the evening to listen to my nephew’s game.
GB7
don’t forget Curt Gowdy
“I think Keith Hernandez got the hair die a little too close to the nostrils when he made that comment about Tex.”
That’s just instinct taking over in Keith’s case.
Chemicals + close to nostrils = vigorous snorting
Keith Hernandez… One of the best Seinfeld lines ever IMO.
“I would check the 3rd base coach because I don’t think he is waving you in”…
Sounds like my prom.
-dennis
Ledger_Yankees: No Angel Berroa in front of the dugout for the anthem. –Carig
The model for this trip should have been Sherman’s March.
It’s not too late to leave a good impression!
Green Beret-
Your HoF list is a good start but we’ve got to add Tony Perez and Bruce Sutter at minimum. Jim Rice too.
Yup, was here last night.
Have fun listening to his game.
S.A.–The sun will come out tomorrow; I’m down with the OPPC June 24th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Ledger_Yankees: No Angel Berroa in front of the dugout for the anthem. –Carig
NOOOOOOOOOOO
Ledger_Yankees: It’s official. Angel Berroa designated for assignment.
This day has finally come
UPDATE, 7:05 p.m.: As expected, Berroa was designated for assignment.
Hopefully the offense will wake up! I live in NC, I know alot of Braves Fans
Let’s Go Yankees! Clap, Clap, CLAP, CLAP, CLAP!!!!
Not so sad to see him go, but sad that there will be no more Berroa jokes.
Does anyone posting with an iPhone notice the annoying Netflix pop-up that opens up another page after you click “submit” on your comment?
Pete change this!
“UPDATE, 7:05 p.m.: As expected, Berroa was designated for assignment”
Well, can we still make fun of him?
GEORGE: I went to the hardware store interview.
CARRIE: You think I’m going to spend my life with somebody because he can get me a deal on a box of nails?
GEORGE: I thought were a team.
CARRIE: If I ever need a drill bit I’ll call you.
dennis-Costanza,
But he’s “Keith” Hernandez.
I never feel good about any player being DFA’d, but it’s no real suprise that Berroa was the one. Sometimes things don’t work out.
I just visited the Mets blog. Does anyone ever comment there?
Yanks turn things around tonight……15-5 run begins tonight
Yeah that meeting helped us
jeter learned nothing
will jeter fing stop swing at the first pitch? every ab
Now I’m getting annoyed.
That 7:07 post was NOT me.
Get your own handle pal. And Pete, registration? Please.
at least the ball is going into the outfield?
Francoeur makes all the plays.
I am guessing “not swinging at the first pitch” wasn’t a topic at the hitters meeting.
Btw- did anyone else hear Kay say “Swisher talked his way back into the lineup tonight”
Cashman said Girardi was doing “an exceptional job”
Did he mean exceptionally poor?
Oh – three pitches, two outs.. wonderful.
looks like the pep talk worked
Kawakami throws harder than Joba
Sean.
Great line.
-dennis
test
tastic June 24th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Cashman said Girardi was doing “an exceptional job”
Did he mean exceptionally poor?
Oh – three pitches, two outs.. wonderful.
Girardi doesn’t hit for these scrubs we call the Yanks.
Just wrong park, 2 of those would have been HRS at home.
joba not gonna have it tonitee .. we losing another
The pride of their peers…
Jete, Damon and Teixeira…
Dusted by Dragon..
Pat M, did you play for Cox in Syracuse?
Still low velocity.
“Nice game pretty boy.” – Kramer.
Yeah Tex is horrible on defense.
Who has it better than Bobby Cox? That’s what I want to know.
Nice play, Tex & Joba.
It was Newman who called him a pretty boy. Please, PLEASE, be more careful.
nice play by tex…joba’s highest mph that inning=93.1 hopefully this will be one of those games where he adds as he goes on
There’s another non-play for that range challenged bum, Teixeira.
Teixeira certainly has no range to his right.
Or let me guess, if he “really” had range wouldn’t have needed to dive for that ball?
He’s made plays like that all season. The guys a fantastic first baseman.
everyone knows the book on 2009 a-rod. curve outside, fastball in.
Boy, when things are going poorly, things are going poorly. Alex hit that pretty good.
even when the yanks hit it hard they get no breaks…gotta make your own breaks
Tex flashes leather
yet his dive looked very stiff
to Keith Hernandez
That swing was a good sign for Alex. That was very good contact. Those line drives will fall in if he keeps making that kind of contact.
He saw as many pitches as the whole first inning and hit it hard. Baby steps.
According to Girardi they misposted the lineup originally. LOL.
I have a bridge in Brooklyn I am looking to sell.
no breaks…none…
Yeah, those line drives will fall for Alex, then he’ll start hitting bombs, then he’ll start launching atomic bombs, then he’ll be impossible to stop, he’ll be the A-Rod everyone expected and championship champagne will be flowing down the throat of every Yankee fan. The OPPC will feel vindicated, everyone is fast to claim they have always been A-Rod supporters.
A-Rod sucks, stop dreaming already.
Oops, I promise to never make that mistake again, Nick. Still, Kramer was saying what Newman was saying. Kind of like this… KRAMER: “as he passes Newman turns and says, ” Nice Game Pretty Boy.”
Man I don’t even know what to say.
“That swing was a good sign for Alex. That was very good contact. Those line drives will fall in if he keeps making that kind of contact.”
lol.
lineup mystery
Swisher not there and then there
Melky wonders why
Did Keith the “Mustache Man” Hernandez take a shot at Big Tex that I missed?
Looks as if the first tulip of the night has bloomed.
im willing to let girardi stay, but Long has to go. this homerun or bust style is not working and it didnt last year either. they get outside of YS and cannot hit anything.
NEWMAN: June 14th, 1987. Mets Phillies. You made a big error. Cost the Mets the game. Then you’re coming up the parking lot ramp.
KEITH: YOU said, “Nice game, pretty boy.”
KRAMER: Ah, you remember.
NEWMAN: And then you spit on us.
We have 8.5 more years of A-Rod drama. His 24 + 1 status is so true, I can’t wait till it changes to 25 – 1, 8 more years, no cousin, no roids (please, start taking them again), no heart.
they’re starting right where they left off, let’s see how far the Yankees can go without getting a hit. At least they’re consistent
McLouth’s magic glove…
Dragon Kawakami darts…
Swisher swinging, sighs…
Francessa tomorrow – “I don’t know why the Yanks didn’t go out and get McClouth. Did you see those catches last night? That guy can play. I’ve been saying it since I saw him play against the Yanks last year.” blah blah blah. He’s probably seen McClouth play 5 games. The 3 games the Yanks played against the Pirates last year and these 2 against the Braves.
i love how a-rod is the only apparent problem here. not captain double play, not posada and his Ks, errors and lack of hustle, inability to hit with runners on, etc…
Come on Joba!!! Lead us to win, we need someone to step up.
tex’s friend June 24th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
i love how a-rod is the only apparent problem here. not captain double play, not posada and his Ks, errors and lack of hustle, inability to hit with runners on, etc…
=================================
I know right.
Gotta love the blind
Bad Scooter, it will be more like this…
“I don’t know why the Yanks didn’t go out and get McClouth. Did you see those catches last night? That guy can play. I’ve been saying it since I saw him play against the Yanks last year”
“That guy can play.”
“I’ve been saying it since I saw him play against the Yanks last year”
“That guy can play.”
“That guy can play.”
“No, that guy can play.”
Fist pumping phenom…
Becoming Becket or Mo…
Management’s musings…
tex friend, So what that Jeter hits into double plays? DPs are part of the game, just like a sack is part of football. Being the highest paid ex-roider, who used to hit homeruns, who used to be somewhat useful despite choking in the playoffs, isn’t going to win you any sympathy points. Last I saw, Jeter has been a better hitter and better fielder than A-Rod. But in your world, A-Rod is more clutch than Gehrig.
highest mph for joba that inning= 93.8..keeping adding joba keep adding!
Joba starts tonight
Yankee fans hope for success
Francessa cries NO!
For all of Rodriguez’ hitting issues, so far, this year, he’s looked more comfortable on pop ups than I’ve ever seen him.
correction:
Fist pumping phenom…
Becoming Beckett or Mo…
Management’s musings…
written in his face
ageless, timeless mystery
Angel Berroa
Yankees…
No…
Hits…
Let’s work on getting a hit
Tex’s friend. A-Rod is the highest paid player in the game. He’s not playing like it.
Yeah, S.A, the blind are realists while you believe in the power of positive posts. Those positive posts are so “encouraging”. You want to know what’s encouraging? Winning. That’s it. A-Rod is a big reason they are losing, sorry to burst your big red balloon.
Dynasty slips up
in between the ellipses
Joba pen nonsense
“i love how a-rod is the only apparent problem here.”
Yankee fans used to boo Mickey Mantle because he wasn’t “clutch enough.” Lots of Yankee fans despised Mantle when he was playing in the first part of his career.
People on this board would have undoubtedly been amongst those fans in the 50’s who hated Mantle.
NumberOnePositivePoster June 24th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Yeah, S.A, the blind are realists while you believe in the power of positive posts. Those positive posts are so “encouraging”. You want to know what’s encouraging? Winning. That’s it. A-Rod is a big reason they are losing, sorry to burst your big red balloon.
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Get yourself to an eye doctor. STAT
Also, maybe swing by your local hospital psych ward
Ignore on
to all you morons, a rod shouldnt be playing at all right now.
he wasn’t ready and and it is so stupid to think that this is what he will be from now on. you people just want a scapegoat, but hey, you are the same idiots that thought we would be fine with cody ransom playing everyday.
http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheBoyfriend1.htm
“Here is where you lose me in your defense of Swisher.
You keep saying he’s an “above average hitter”. He’s not an above average hitter. ”
Perhaps we have different definitions of “above average hitter”.
Here is what we KNOW about Swisher.
Among qualified AL hitters he ranks 20th in OBP and 26th in SLG. That is better than average.
He also has a 127 OPS+. A 100 OPS+ is average by definition. Therefore a 127 OPS+ is significantly above average.
If the Yankees have their lineup intact in an American League Park it will look like this:
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Cano 2B
Posada C
Matsui DH
Swisher RF
Cabrera/Gardner CF
By my count, that is the 8th spot for Swisher. Find me a better 8 hitter then we’ll talk.
CB – Not good to revise history.
“Additionally, Mantle’s osteomyelitic condition exempted him from military service, which caused him to become very unpopular with fans early on, as his earliest days in baseball coincided with the Korean War (though he was still selected as an All-Star the year his medical exemption was given).”
damn joba ripped that!
Thats one way to knock out a starter.
Joba hit the ball harder than any Yankee so far.
“written in his face
ageless, timeless mystery
Angel Berroa”
This deserves a quote. Simply amazing.
Nice rip by Joba, too bad he didn’t get a hit out of it.
Ouch
There’s a way to get rid of the starter. Nice to see Joba’s creativity. Joking of course, I don’t wish any serious injury on Kawakami.
tex’s friend – A-Rod shouldn’t be playing right now, really? He should be out all year then because from my understanding he came back 10 days early, that means he WOULD be playing right now.
So when you call in sick from work, do you tell your boss a month later “I shouldn’t even be here right now”? Or let’s say you had an apendix removed, do you say five months later, “Mr. Carter, I shouldn’t be here now”?
Stop with the excuses people already, I think we can talk about A-Rod constructively if you people stop making constant excuses for him all the time.
Posada was suppose to be out till May, but he came back in time for spring training.
A full swing of the neck. Ouch.
Chamberlain chugging…
Charging on Cherokee turf…
Kawakami falls…
of = off
that logic would work, except if you come back less than 100%, ou reinjure yourself. he can barely pushoff the back leg. it’sas clear as day. at his worst, he was not hitting anywhere near .200.
“People on this board would have undoubtedly been amongst those fans in the 50’s who hated Mantle.”
I’m not so sure of that. Fans still loved Don Mattingly when he was struggling late in his career. It’s also hard to root for A-Rod after knowing he did steroids. Mantle never took any performance enhancers.
I sure don’t wish harm on any player – at all. But, Joba might have had a hit if that guy wasn’t in the way.
Hmmm. Looks like crappy hitting mixed with a lot of bad luck right now…. see Swisher’s gapper…caught, A-Rod’s liner…caught, Joba’s line drive up the middle, hits the pitcher in the neck and goes to SS….
they can’t buy a hit right now…
At least the Braves have the bullpen up.
Maybe Joba should DH when he isn’t pitching…
Maybe Joba should bat clean-up, he hit that ball harder than anything A-Rod has hit this past month.
Tom June 24th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Maybe Joba should bat clean-up, he hit that ball harder than anything A-Rod has hit this past month.
Good one Tom!
Mantle never took performance enhancers? You serious?
He was hooked on greenies for 20 years. BTW, a now banned substance in MLB.
If you want to hate on ARod, be my guest. Just don’t qualify it with foolishness.
“Not good to revise history.”
What are you talking about? Mantle was booed and hated by many yankee fans when he first came up.
That is a fact. An absolute fact.
And there were many reasons why those nitwits hated him. He was commonly described as being “unclutch.” Other fans disliked him because he wasn’t Dimaggio. Other’s were such dimwits that they though he was some kind of draft dodger due to the physical condition of his knees.
All of them look like very stupid reasons to boo Mantle. But Yankee fans did that anyway.
People today find that hard to believe because it seems so stupid. But many yankee fans disliked him intensely.
And there’s no doubt that many people on this board would have been amongst those who hated Mantle. I have little doubt about that.
The same level of absurd reasoning behind thinking its ok to rip Mantle because his knees were so bad he couldn’t serve is all to prevalent in the thinking of many fans on this and other blogs everyday.
Boston fans hated Ted Williams because they thought he wasn’t a winner and wasn’t “clutch.”
If you don’t think these generic arguments don’t span baseball over time you know very little about the history of the game.
Sean, everyone “knows” that he only took those “tic-tacs” between 2001 – 2003, never during his Yankee years. Despite being spotted (in 2007) with some sketchy dude that was banned from the MLB because of steroids. Despite being spotted with his cousin Yuri, this spring training, after admitting that it was his cousin who got him the steroids.
A-Rod would never try and rob the Yankees by using steroids to get himself a bigger and better contract, he’s just too much of a “stand-up” guy to ever do that.
HGH pitching tomorrow right?
carl, I want props too. I feel left out. I said, “Joba hit the ball harder than any Yankee so far.” at 7:49. Thanks.
SJ44 – does a-rod have you on his apologist payroll?
You don’t have to use steroids to get a bigger contract. Look what Posada did. Or AJ.
Sure, CB, it had nothing to do with not going to Korea.
Sean Serritella June 24th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
carl, I want props too. I feel left out. I said, “Joba hit the ball harder than any Yankee so far.” at 7:49. Thanks.
You had to add, bat him clean up.
CB, Boston fans hated Ted cause he was a prick.
SJ44, what A-Rod did compared to what Mantle did, greenies, is very drastic when it comes to improving performance. You’re right however, I might of been one of those people that would want Mantle off the team because he was hurting them towards the end of his career.
He also said Joe Girardi is doing “an exceptional job.” In other words, it’s stay-the-course time.”
That Girardi on hot seat non-sense can stop now.
what the hell is it at the top of the lineup.
take some pitches for christ’s sake!!!
Ok carl, I guess I don’t qualify.
The Yankees absolutely can’t hit starting pitchers in which they have never seen. Today and the past 8 games make this more than evident. It’s just unbelievable how such a great group of hitters can look so bad against pitchers could just as easily have been in AAA right now.
Reread my post. I said that many yankee fans disliked Mantle because they though of him as a draft dodger because he didn’t serve.
But that was far from the only reason he was booed.
It was a frequent rip on mantle that he wasn’t “clutch.” People said that. Other people were constantly comparing him to Dimaggio and thought he was a bum.
Those are facts.
And regardless, all of those reasons to rip Mantle were stupid.
Ripping him for not serving in the war when he was physically disqualified for service is the height of stupidity.
But it was nearly as dumb to boo him for not being “clutch.”
Baseball fans don’t change. Blogs just allow people to make their ignorant opinions more public.
Come on Yanks hit like you’re hitting against the Yankees.
8 pitches, 3 outs.
Damn you A-Rod!! Oh wait..
No he doesn’t.
But, you are self-employed on the moron payroll. Congratulations.
can tonight mabe be rock botom? a no hitter?
S.A.–The sun will come out tomorrow; I’m down with the OPPC June 24th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
8 pitches, 3 outs.
Damn you A-Rod!! Oh wait..
lol
These quit smoking commercials really make me want to shoot myself, and I’ve never smoked.
It’d be cool if they can take out Michael Kay’s voicebox like that.
Boston has already scored more runs off Stammen than we have.
Good teams take care of business. They don’t go 2-5 against the Nationals, Marlins, and Braves.
Are we really being no hit right now?
I have no idea who’s talking to who on this blog right now.
NumberOnePositivePoster
June 24th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
CB, Boston fans hated Ted cause he was a prick.
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And it was amn alcoholic writer that started that…namely Dave Egan. Egan was also the jerk that voted the cab driver that ran over and almost killed Casey Stengel, as Boston’s Man Of The Year. Class act, huh?
An old foe rises
His milkshake glass drained empty
Big Papi goes deep
The dumbest thing I did was put my computer and tv in two different rooms. I have to go watch more of the game now. See ya later.
to show how unfair peter is check out his 7:49 post about the yankees pathetic hitting. the arod and swisher outs were very good plays by mcclouth and could have easily been hits..
peter just loves to mess with yankee fans. that is amazing since he runs a yankee blog..
think this post will be blocked???
CB, Didn’t Yankee fans boo Gehrig too? He had ALS, but he wasn’t performing and they didn’t know what happened to their iron man.
All players get booed, Jeter got booed, A-Rod is not doing anything to help this team win. Never has. Bottom line. What games are you watching? Do you really think A-Rod deserves some sort of leash with the fans? He hasn’t done anything since he got here. He’s had some really good regular season, he’s won MVPs, but those are things that don’t make anyone proud.
I take the train everyday, I never heard one fan say: “We have the player that won the MVP this year. YAY!”. However, I have heard Red Sox fans gloat, or Phillie fans say how happy they are to be WORLD CHAMPIONS. That’s what people gloat about. A-Rod is a phony, he’s killing my favorite team.
Joba shakes off Eyes
somewhere Posada chuckles
but Joba knows best
stuart, how is Pete unfair? Why you guys take anything out on Pete is beyond me, his post are so unfair to A-Rod. Waaaa…waaaa….waaaa.
Joba shakes off Eyes
somewhere Posada chuckles
but Joba knows best
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If anyone’s noticing, with all this chatter….Joba is pitching a strong game. Just what the Yankees need until the hitters get it going.
Chamberlain charged up…
Calloused hand, cowhide chucking…
blinding, sinking sun…
SJ44
June 24th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Mantle never took performance enhancers? You serious?
He was hooked on greenies for 20 years. BTW, a now banned substance in MLB.
If you want to hate on ARod, be my guest. Just don’t qualify it with foolishness.
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Mantle also wasn’t the laughingstock of baseball. Minor difference there.
He never has done anything to help this team? You sure about that?
They don’t make the playoffs in 2007 without him.
That’s the problem with your nightly hate rants on Arod. Its rooted in nonsense and not reality.
When you say he has “never” done anything to help this team win, you show how little you know.
Don’t get me wrong. Its a free country. You want to hate on the guy, fine by me.
Its when you come out with hysterical fan babble, which your nightly Arod rants are, is when its hard to take what you say seriously.
“Didn’t Yankee fans boo Gehrig too? He had ALS, but he wasn’t performing and they didn’t know what happened to their iron man. ”
They did. Does that mean it was justified? Seriously? After all he gave to the franchise his performance dips because he was dying and that means it was ok for “fans” to boo him?
It doesn’t justify it at all. It just goes to show stupidity and impatience amongst baseball fans has stood the test of time and generations.
need runs
Jobber at 60 pitches.
About to do a “We need a hit” dance
Arod isn’t the laughingstock of baseball.
Whiney, crybaby Yankee fans are laughed at around baseball much more than Arod.
SJ44 June 24th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
Arod isn’t the laughingstock of baseball.
Whiney, crybaby Yankee fans are laughed at around baseball much more than Arod.
Ouch
SJ44
June 24th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
Arod isn’t the laughingstock of baseball.
Whiney, crybaby Yankee fans are laughed at around baseball much more than Arod.
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I guess technically the Pirates’ organization is the true laughingstock of baseball. My mistake.
You watch that at bat that Joba threw Garrett Anderson and you see how special his stuff is.
The curveball and slider he threw him were phenomenal pitches.
His curveball is his third pitch and it’s fantastic.
Anderson had no chance.
SJ44 – Yeah, I was happy when they won the “making the playoffs trophy”.
What’s the next accolade you’re going to throw out, what about the 2004 ALDS? He was great then, too Keep them coming, I forgot all the times A-Rod came through for the Yankees. Maybe we should wish good thoughts and we’ll remember more A-Rod happy memories.
CB,
I wish he would thrown 95-96 instead of 91-92 though.
Perfect game
Hey, John that really “hurts”.
That shot you want to take is on a kid who is now a multi-millionaire. How are you doing in life?
You really want to have a conversation about Arod’s accomplishments in baseball. Are you really that dumb? lol
CB – Yeah, a lot of things aren’t justified in this world. But in baseball, and in A-Rod’s world, it’s a perfect world, where only positive thoughts flow through the air, and he leads the Yankess to multiple championships.
It’s not fair, maybe they shouldn’t keep score, maybe we should do away with stats, they make people say mean awful things about A-Rod. It’s just not justified!!!
5 innings, no hits, no walks. whats worse than a no hitter? a perfect game.
Pete
Can you add “annoying” to the terms of service?
Medlen mystifies…
Yankees hitless, scoreless, swoon…
Girardi’s chagrin…
SJ44
June 24th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Hey, John that really “hurts”.
That shot you want to take is on a kid who is now a multi-millionaire. How are you doing in life?
You really want to have a conversation about Arod’s accomplishments in baseball. Are you really that dumb? lol
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Pompous gasbag says what?
This team has become unwatchable. Very sad.
Anybody remember that last time there was a hit? A hard hit ball other than Joba’s shot to the neck? Those 5.5 ERA pitcher are killers.
game over
Quick trade for him!!
I kinda want to see Gardner try and bunt for a base hit at the top of the 6th. Try and break up that momentum for Braves Pitching.
game over!
Don’t you even dare blame Joba.
They have zero BASERUNNERS in this game. 1 run should not be game over.
Now you’ve done it Joba, making the offense have to, you know, score.
That could be all Atlanta needs tonight.
People who are only happy with WS Championships will never be satisfied. It’s too bad, really.
Real intelligent, SJ44, I guess in your world you equate success with fame and money. I guess that’s your plan, latch onto some minor leaguer, hope he gets a payday and hope he throws some money your way. Maybe you can be his cousin yuri
I can’t believe Cervelli gave up that homerun.
What awful pitch selection.
Let’s go Joba!
Joba is throwing a good game. They need to give him some run support.
Yup, You figured me out with the same logical reasoning you are doing ripping Arod.
Brilliant I tell ya. You are a regular mensa candiate!
Swisher or Francoeur
suddenly not so simple
Joba’s gem tarnished
SJ44, more of a mensa candidate than you. I’m no tool, which is more than I can say about you.
losing 1-0 and being no hit.
this isnt a damn haiku, this team just sucks.
Put him in the pen! Oh wait..
Who is the SJ44 imposter tonight?
Has there ever been a multi-pitcher perfect game? If not, we might be seeing history. I’ll bet the boys at Elias are running to the computers.
Omg…. I mean I know Cashman isn’t going to villify the guy he hired to manage his team…. but to say he’s doing an “exceptional job” is just a complete joke and a total insult to anyone who even had to read it or hear him say that utter BS. What a clown. I love the Yankees but I hope they get perfect gamed tonight. With the talent they have it’s downright gross they way they are playing. Early in the season, their hitting is great, and their pitching is garbage. Now, it’s the opposite. Girardi hasn’t proved anything since he’s taken over, besides the fact he can make bonehead decisions on a consistent basis and not get NEARLY the max out of his roster. Going on some losing streaks is inevitable no matter what the team. But the way this Yankee team has lost the couple of seasons, with these players, to lose the way they have to some of the teams they have…. Man. I hope they turn it around this season, there’s a ton of games left, but it’s ugly right now.
please let these past 5 innings be rock bottom.
Oh boy, you got me there. I don’t know how I will ever recover from that putdown.
Comments like CB’s are a perfect example of why people just don’t know what they are talking about when it comes to Posada.
You can give up home runs on the right pitch. Starting off an inning, that’s a GREAT pitch to throw, especially against a guy who is notorious for trying to pull fastballs early in counts.
What would have been bad was if he called for a first pitch fastball right down the middle and that was hit out. You don’t give a guy a pitch like that to lead off an inning.
Posada calls the wrong pitch in the wrong spot. That’s why everyone is on his case right now. He’s not a scapegoat for pitching failure, he is just flat out BAD at calling a game. Get it through your thick skulls that just because he’s Posada with the 3 rings, it doesn’t mean he is automatically a genius. He caught a bunch of good pitchers in their primes, and he has always been bad at calling a game. Why do you think veteran pitchers who were crafty like Mussina ALWAYS were on a different page with him?
Posada isn’t being blamed because a pitcher gets hit. He’s being blamed because he doesn’t call a good game, and it’s obvious to anyone who actually watches the games pitch by pitch and thinks about what he is throwing to guys who are clearly sitting on the pitches he calls.
I’m not one to complain much, but I’ve had it. I don’t care if there’s 4 innings left to go. This is disgusting. Horrible. Dreadful. Our pitchers don’t deserve any of this. Wang should be 2-4 and not 0-6. Joba is pitching the type of game where the offense should be helping without a problem, yet we don’t even have a hit. I don’t know why this offense isn’t clicking but we need a change. Now. Yankees have been shutout by the Braves for 14 innings.
My rant is over. Carry on.
If brett gets on, do you have Cervelli bunt and send up a hitter for Joba?
Perfect game gone!
Yes Gardner on. Steal time. Let’s bring one in. Maybe Joba can knock in his own run.
Joba will teach you how to thrown 91 mph
there goes the perfect game. Hope “Cervy” gets a hit.
Terrible call, but a guy with Gardner’s speed should not even need a lead big enough to be picked off in the first place.
Girardi has to get himself tossed.
Go Crazy Joe!
Girardi trying to get tossed
Mickey was booed quite abit in his early years due mainly to a tendency to strike out in clutch situations and not live up to the hype of the Yankee PR machine (which even then was considerable). It had all changed by 56, his triple crown year.
Give him hell Joe!
did that really just happen?
OMG he was safe
Worst. Call. Ever.
He was safe by a FOOT!
I want to see it in slow mo. Was he out? ESPN2 was too busy talking.
girardi is a joke of a manager.
Bad Move right there.
Yell at your players, dont think is a great motivation tool.
ok, that’s it I give up. Fire the whole team!
no, seriously, this is pretty nauseating.
HE WAS SAFE! You have to be kidding me.
At least Joe is trying to light a fire..
Actually, in listening to Sutcliffe blister Joba, i am convinced he is the SJ44 imposter.
Girardi’s gone. Yankees are winning this one now.
Do umpires get fined for blowing calls that bad?
Maria -
It wasn’t even close. Safe.
Here comes the double that would have scored Gardner and will be stranded on the bases.
the umps have to be accountable. they get worse and worse every year.
Doesn’t that make all 3 times that GGBG has been CS/PO this year all bad calls?
CERVELLI!!!
YES!
Unbelievable!
Cervelli!
yeah Cervilli!!!
Holy crap – Cervelli????
If we lose now, its on Mr. Bill Welke
That’s a gamer! The Eyes!
And a Child shall lead them!
Alright 2-1, back in this!
Oh, wait…
Worst call in the history of baseball costs us a lead.
Way to go , Cisco!
should be 2-1. i say play cervelli and hit posada until he learns to hustle.
CISCO DIDN’T LIKE THAT CALL!!! ATTA BOY CERVELLI!!!!
I never usually get outraged by bad calls as they tend to even out but that was atrocious. You could be blind in one eye and see he was safe.
Velli-I’ll have your kids!!!!
Cervelli has been something special all season!
Did you see Cervelli run????
Look at how much energy Cervelli brings to this team.
Better defender, better game caller, and he’s more than holding his own at the plate.
Jorge who?
Yankees always bounce back when Girardi is ejected. He should do that more often.
Jorge who?
Here’s an idea: let’s iron on a “C” on Gardner’s jersey and rebuild this team around some fire and youth.
And Frankie C can wear the “A”.
Let the damn kids play.
dang it should have been a 2 run homer
This kid will continue to surprise!
Welke robs Gardner
Girardi blows a gasket
but the Eyes have it
whats this OPPC stuff??
should be 2-1, 1 out, 1 on. SOOO IRRITATED!
Tom in N.J.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Do umpires get fined for blowing calls that bad?
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No, usually, they get picked for All-Star games, playoffs and World Series duty.
Wait…what? Did somebody (besides Joba) actually come to play baseball today? GJ Cisco Kid!!
I’m a big fan of Cervelli. Great player and always positive and energetic. I hope they get back the ball for him! 1st career homerun is definitely exciting!
WOOOOO Rally
I like the hustle Jeter. He seems to be running a lot better as of yesterday. I think the ankle thing is all cleared up.
It’s like they woke up
I think Scheurholz just kidnapped a local high school team.
Check some of these guys out. Medlen looks like he should be shagging fly balls down the foul line.
jetes ankle definitly looking better, he just booked it to third.
Finally some hits.
3 this inning? When was the last time they got 3 hits in one inning?
Amazing.
Hopefully this wakes them up.
what did Sterling call for Cervelli?
You know Tex wants to knock one out right here.
Can’t you just see Cervelli hitting that kind of home run in the playoffs? That was Leyritz-esque. The Yankees have to keep him as the backup catcher. This kid is rapidly becoming the heart and soul of this team.
“what did Sterling call for Cervelli?”
A miracle
Let’s go Tex!
“No, usually, they get picked for All-Star games, playoffs and World Series duty.”
That explains Don Denkinger…
Is Medlen smart enough to pitch around Tex now?
At 2-1, I think he should.
walking him for alex, typical
I never thought that Cervelli’s fly would carry that far to left center.
Big spot for Arod here.
If they walk Tex, A-Rod has to start making these teams pay. Otherwise, they need to drop A-Rod to the 8th spot.
here we freaking go.
The smuck is up
And it always comes down to A-Rod…
Peanut butter and Jelly…For Cervelli that was sterlings call.
Attentional walk to get to Arod.
Arod with bases loaded. If Arod doesn’t take this personal, he’s got no soul.
Those who blame A-Rod as the Yankees sole reason for not winning a World Series in the past 6 years, or for our current losing streak, need to look at the bigger picture.
Why not blame Cashman, who signed him to the 10-year contract and compiled these teams? I guess A-Rod is to blame for Jeter’s DPs or Swisher’s strike-outs? Oh, but he’s a clubhouse cancer. Well, the Red Sox were able to win 2 World Series with clubhouse cancer Manny Ramirez, how come those players were unaffected by him but our players are poisoned by A-Rod?
I can understand why some fans hate A-Rod, but it’s not as if this team would magically win a World Series once A-Rod is gone. A-Rod may be a headcase, but there are other fundamental flaws with this team that run far deeper than just A-Rod…
Comes down to Alex. Come on Alex silence the haters.
Big opportunity here for A Rod.
This could be huge for his confidence.
bases loaded for Alex.
You have to love Cisco rallying the troops! However, now we can cue about an hour’s worth of unfounded Posada bashing and CERA cherry-picking on this blog as a result, haha.
Still, I’ll take it. The amount of time it had been since we scored a run was just insane.
Runner in scoring position and all Tex does is draw a useless walk.
What a choker
We need a big hit here, never too late for A-Rod to start contributing.
carl
June 24th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Peanut butter and Jelly…For Cervelli that was sterlings call.
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Please tell me you are kidding. That is worse than “Jolly Old St. Nick” or “You Can Bet on Betemit” (we didn’t hear that one very often)
A-Rod will walk-in a run…..
Amazing – the game always seems to find Alex.
Tom in N.J.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
“No, usually, they get picked for All-Star games, playoffs and World Series duty.”
That explains Don Denkinger…
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Yeah…That was brutal, and Denkinger was a damned good umpire. This crop of umpires in the last 15 years are absolutely horrible. With this scoring system on umpires in place, you’d think that after a certain amount of bad calls, they get sent back to the minors.
Girardi ejected. Yanks start hitting and scoring. Wonder if Cashman is taking notes from his seat? Girardi has to go. I don’t blame ARod for the Yankees struggles. I blame our useless manager.
Great, 0-2.
They pitch around Tex
not afraid of our slugger
Arod swings away
What is the name of the asian 5-7-5 poems that are being dropped on the blog. Is that Haiku?
Nice work. I enjoy reading them.
HAha ..
The idiot sucks. Wow does he need roids
Strikeout is imminent
carl June 24th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Peanut butter and Jelly…For Cervelli that was sterlings call.
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For real? Lord
Ugh, this looks so ugly. Has a team ever pinch hit for their #4 hitter?
ALEX!!!
Woohoo!! CLUTCH
There you go, A-Rod. That hit was needed by all.
Atta boy A-rod!!! Clutch.
wow did not see that coming haha
HUGE!!!!!!
CLIZZUTCH!
FINALLY!
OMFG, 2 run single. Whooo hooo!
YEAHHHHHH welcome back New York Yankees!
Gardner gets to first…
Perfection’s promise denied…
Pinstriped pressure, pride…
That does it, the Yankees have to get rid of Girardi and name Pena the manager. His pep talk got Arod CHHHHARRGED UP!
HALLELUYA!
Paul from Cali just made the stupidest comment in the history of Lohud.
Finally A Rod.
Finally!
He was getting all fastballs. They’re showing him no respect and why should they?
Alex finally made them pay.
Is there anyone alive out there tonight.
you still a punk a-rod
Damn you A-Rod!!! Oh wait..
Way to go Alex!
he literally threw 4 fastballs right down the middle disgusting pitching job by bennett.
and wow now another fastball down the middle to cano.
this guy is terrible they should tack on another run at least.
The weekly hit came today I guess. Nice job A-Rod.
Girardi should get ejected every night.
That was pretty impressive by A-Rod.
The pitcher was attacking, he was down 0-2, still managed a solid hit.
Alex!
I’m very happy for him because the comments here and elsewhere trashing this guy are just disgraceful….That’s what he gets for having surgery and coming back early to help his team.
Too bad Phil pitched yesterday – it would have been nice to see him pitch with a lead instead of with a 3 rund deficit.
This team responds under Pena
Not just saying this because A-Rod happened to get the hit there, but Tony Pena actually seems to have a great presence as a manager…unlike a certain lifeless fella named Joe Girardi.
It all started with Cervelli – with an assist by Gardner for getting into the kid’s head by breaking up the perfect game
“That is worse than “Jolly Old St. Nick” ”
That Sterling resorts to Jolly ole St Nick when there are so many better options for Swish pains my soul a little bit. Someone here suggested “when you Swish upon a star” a while ago – greatness. I also like “Nick nack paddywack, give the Yanks a lead!” when appropriate, but it hasnt been in a while..
What was that people were saying about that solid contact Alex made on that out in the second inning meaning nothing?
He’s made much better quality contact tonight and in this series than he has for quite some time.
That time the quality contact turned into a hit.
How clutch
I’m shocked. I’m a big time Alex hater and I was about to call him the fizzool. Fizz as in fizzing out and the ool as in fool.
I’m not going to celebrate just yet..I’ve been burned by this team too much lately. But nice inning, thx Cervelli =)
Let’s be honest I’m glad A-Rod got a clutch hit but when you are up 0-2 in the count why do you throw something over plate? Throw a couple out of the zone and get A-rod to chase just like most other teams do to him?
thats so weird cano never rolls over and grounds out to second
Pena just put a claim in for Girardi’s job.
If you don’t think Francesa and the media are going to play up how Pena fired up Arod, you’re crazy.
Joba, Eyes, Arod
our heroes will each be named
in Yankee haiku
BBFan
That was not impressive. He is supposed to do that. He is supposed to do that everytime players get on base. He is the highest paid player. Nothing will be impressive, until he does this consistently, and in the playoffs. Its a lose lose situation but thats what happens when you are the most overpaod guy in sports.
A-Rod’s been slumping
He finally hits the ball
Thanks Tony Pena
TD,
Yes, they’re haiku…
BBB-
I would go with “SUPER Swisherrrrrrrrrrr”
A-Rod hasn’t gotten many hits lately but they have been meaningful.
Mo,
Paul isn’t even in bronze medal contention. Read some of the idiocy this evening from a couple of folks.
Gotta bring your A Game if you are going to win dumbest post of the night in the game threads!
“They pitch around Tex
not afraid of our slugger
Arod swings away”
Yankee haikus FTW!! Anyone ever done them to pass the time on a long road trip? good times!
Not that I’m advocating removing Joba…….just don’t trust Coke still. I guess Aceves would pitch tonight, but Mo has to pitch no matter the score….
A-Rod drives in runs
“He still sucks” says the haters
Kate Hudson is pleased
Quick – somebody dustbuster Mariano!
Actually Singleton was the one who pointed out the Pena angle. Singleton is a great color man.
CB – Yeah, he’s all cured and he’ll hit .400 from here on out, does that mean you stop making excuses for an adult male that you’ve never met and have no idea how he’s feeling? Can you do that? Or will you continue making excuses when you want to save your prom queen from more ridicule?
I must have missed something. What exactly did Pena do?
You could read Welke’s lips to Girardi saying “You want me to toss you?” He then nodded his head, as if to say “I understand”, turned his back to him and tossed him. If memory serves, the last game Girardi got ejected from the next Yankee batter also homered then and the Yankees had a big inning…
And here we go-
Forget Posadagate. Now its “Tony Pena should be the new manager”.
Let’s not forget- Pena interviewed for the job when they hired Girardi. If the Yankee brass wanted him, they would have hired him then
Nice play by Alex in the field, too.
Hold that lead, Joba. Make Diet Coke choke on it.
It is funny- if that inning would have happened against the Yankees, the Girardi haters would have said “look at Cox fire up his team, why cant Joe do that?” Now that Joe did it, what happened was all because of the bench coach. So silly.
You know every team I’ve ever been on, there was a designated somebody to do tuneups. To slam a guy against the wall if he needed it. You mean there is nobody to tune up Cano? What was that excuse of an at bat, again?
Nate
June 24th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
You could read Welke’s lips to Girardi saying “You want me to toss you?” He then nodded his head, as if to say “I understand”, turned his back to him and tossed him. If memory serves, the last game Girardi got ejected from the next Yankee batter also homered then and the Yankees had a big inning…
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Hahaha- thats totally like the Vitaminwater commercial with Pinella
He is supposed to do that EVERY TIME guys are on base?
Do you know anything about baseball?
“To the pen!” they say
Who’s pitching like a monster?
Joba Chamberlain
There’s Betsy, welcome, I’ve been waiting for you to tell me the feelings of some Yankee player. I always appreciate the insight. Especially your insight on Burnett pitches a certain way. It’s like getting your palm read, all that stuff is true you know.
I’ll tune him up, Bo.
Come for the haikus, stay for the insane rants.
Nice job on making game threads fun, Dynasty.
His fastball’s still slow
He’s still dealing out there though
Guess I can’t complain.
Fist punching catcher.
web domain open
fire tony pena dot come
you can own that site
Nice pitching by Joba. Now the 7th, with Coke in reserve, then Bruney the 8th, and Mo the 9th.
pumping not punching
I’ll wager the Yanks have the best hitting pitchers in the Majors. CC could rake with AJ and Joba protecting him.
Lineup:
Rivera
Pettitte
Burnett
Sabathia
Chamberlain
Nick, aren’t you a little premature?
One man’s getting bored
Mariano Rivera
Get that save today
To the pen
Jobber must go
Not
Betsy, if you can be any base, which base would you be and why?
Bridgejumper, at the moment of truth:
lowshun
June 24th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
Strikeout is imminent ( refering to Alex Rodriguez )
Dude…either get with the OPPC or learn Haiku… do something.
Erica and other poster.
Bad posts for Yankee fans regarding Joba. Joba as a pitcher has every right to shake off the catcher and he was right on that one. It was a 3rd strike.
Making fun of a Yankee player body type is poor. I suppose you are as slim as Jeter.
The attempt at sarcastic humor falls flat for some people on this board.
IS ANYONE WATCHING THE GAME. AND JOBA IS IN THE 6TH INNNING. 3-1. Joba is up too 66 pitches in 6 innings.
But DYNASTY is Destiny you are amazing. Beautiful rhythm and language. You are by far the best poster.
What is Joba’s pitch count right now?
I don’t get it. Six innings, five strikeouts and no walks.
WHY ISN’T HE IN THE BULLPEN!!
If NYY pitching sets Atlanta down in order in the next two innings, Rivera’s got a rough job with the middle of the order with Larry Jones, McCann and Anderson. That would be earning a save the rough way.
Doreen, Pena walked over to Arod as he was going out of the dugout to hit and was vociferously yelling words of encouragement to him.
SWISH!!!
Swisherrific!
Take that frenchie
SUPER Swisherrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
SWISH!
Swishy!
“That was not impressive. He is supposed to do that. He is supposed to do that everytime players get on base. He is the highest paid player. Nothing will be impressive, until he does this consistently, and in the playoffs. Its a lose lose situation but thats what happens when you are the most overpaod guy in sports.”
Oh! Really. He is supposed to do that every time?
That is a totally irrational statement.
Consistency, I can accept.
He is in a funk right now bcuse of hip injury and he will come out of it and then all these A-Rod haters, including Pete, will have lot of crow to eat.
SJ, that one was for you!!
Even Swish doing some good for a change…
Joe, it is premature, but who do you think people will want to fire next if Girardi gets fired?
Don’t call it a comeback, We’ve been here for years!
Nice job Nick Swisher!
He’s not just a good pitcher
A home run hitter
Joba to Bruney to Mo please.
Sarah
June 24th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Erica and other poster.
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Excuse me-
I said nothing negative at all about Joba. My name just got sucked into it somehow.
Why don’t you take 5 minutes and actually read the previous comments before you start insulting me. I am the positivity queen! I will expect an apology when you see how wrong you are
Maria-Jobber at 86 pitches
and the I hate swisher comments will be silenced until the next inning at least.
Joekuh,
Nah, He was just worried about being traded for Francour and was protecting his flank! lol
Thank you, The Ghost.
What to do when Molina returns…hmmm…..
BBB-
We totally caused that. We were being very prophetic talkign about Swisher homerun calls
I’m calling a 10 run eighth. This team has been held back toooooo looooonng!
Some more runs needed, I want an easy night.
GGBG
GGFC
I’m upset that “Team Pena boards the bandwagon” is one too few syllables for a haiku, lol.
(I’m not a Girardi fan but think it’s silly to say Pena fired the team up rather than it being him getting ejected. No one really knows for sure why. We can speculate, but I know the talking heads will be just desperate to provide a tunnelvision explanation leading solely back to Girardi’s incompetence and Pena’s superiority. Sometimes you almost feel like you can write their columns for them!)
Thanks S.A. Should be good for a quick 7th.
YankeesWFAN: John Sterling’s HR call for Cervelli: “Cisco the Kid”
Good man that Cervelli, another quality at bat.
Nobody said a damned thing about “hating” Swisher. Most of what was discussed was his overly bad base running judgement and defense.
Well, at least Derek can’t GIDP
Does anyone know the numbers on this? Have the Yankees come back to win every game Girardi has been ejected in? I can’t remember a game where this hasn’t worked. It was totally obvious as soon as Joe went out there that he wasn’t coming back until he was tossed but it still worked!
*er, Team Pena boards the bandwagon is one too many for a haiku that is!
Ms. Sarah, I posted the following at just before 4 this afternoon-
Erica – newly OPPC
June 24th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
So if Joba shakes off Cervelli during the game, does that make Cervelli a bad catcher too?
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Some troll copied in my post and said really bad things about Joba. I am very insulted you would have the nerve to accuse me of saying mean things when I didn’t.
You don’t like peanut butter and jelly for Cervelli!
Looks like we have a good combination:
Joba and Cervelli + Yankee offense + Cashman being in the buillding.
And Joba with his body-type lays down a perfect bunt.
Girardi was ejected once so far this season previously. It was against Boston so I am assuming they lost
Erica – LOL right on! Nick nack paddywack, give the Yanks a 3 run lead and/or a bigger lead than they’ve had in a week – whichever!
Overreact much?
“Pena should be manager!”
Must be the moustache
Well Jeter just got out, all by himself.
We win with the Eyes
and when Girardi gets tossed
hi small sample size
Swisher swats it far…
Southern Belles with parasols…
Listing to the left…
“Nah, He was just worried about being traded for Francour and was protecting his flank! lol”
Anything you can do, I can do better at its finest
Arroyo getting lit up and Joba pitching into the 7th.
Bad night for Mikey F.
Just a drive by to say hey! to Erica, Fran, DT, Angel, Doreen, Bod, et. al. (don’t know if any or all are around right now) and to say that it’s amazing to see that Joba finally learned how to pitch – coincidentally the night that Cervelli is behind the plate!
Yeah, I haven’t changed my mind. Cervelli 7 days a week and twice on Sundays.
Since I know that it’s not popular to question anything about Jorge the misunderstood, I will now exit as quickly as I entered.
I hope you all are well. I’m enjoying keeping the faith without any tapdancing on my head whatsoever.
Oh- And Sarah-
I actually think Joba is hot so why don’t you JUST BE QUIET
haha erica, dont assume! If it was a game against boston, we definitly lost
I think Pena as manager would light a fire for a while under the team but then I think, like Pat Riley, the act would get tired after a couple championships
Hi Trish!
You were actually the first person I thought of when Cisco hit the homerun. I knew you would be excited.
Glad to see you on here!
Girardi was ejected once so far this season previously. It was against Boston so I am assuming they lost
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Are you sure? I could swear he was ejected another time and it led to a big inning, and I was assuming they won…but maybe they had the big inning and lost? I’m a Girardi supporter, and I think he’s the man to run this team. Everything’s going to be fine with this squad…
Start–no relieve, release…
Cowhide orbits around cork…
Drums, deafening din…
Trisha, are you baking a cake? what kind?
NYY626-
I was trying to sugar coat it
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I would need to do research, but I do think we won all of the games last season on which Girardi was ejected. If my memory serves, I think one was a thrilling comeback. But I could be making that up.
The Yankees score runs
A-rod, Swisher, Cervelli
Peter dies of shock
I am sure Giarrdi was ejected only one other time this season. Michael Kay actually said it before- thats why I know offhand.
Erica,
You should be insulted. Yankee fans are supposed to supportive. “That I have the nerve”. I have every right to make a remark on this board. Young lady do you read all the posts on this board. Almost everyone is insulting to one another on this board. It is almost one upmanship.
Why are you so insulted. Anytime you make a negative remark about a player expect a fan to call you on it.
Sarah
NumberOnePositivePoster
A-rod will never get it June 24th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Positive about what?
Battle Joba battle
When Joba pitched 8 innings wasn’t Posada catching? If so, he has had two very good starts with both catchers.
Like a holdout Reb
apropos in Atlanta
the Truth is out there
The last time Girardi was thrown out was May 4th, 2009 against Boston. Immediately after his ejection Damon and Teixeira went back to back and the Yankees scored three runs. I answered my own question. Not that it really matters, I just get sidetracked by things like this.
Nate June 24th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Girardi was ejected once so far this season previously. It was against Boston so I am assuming they lost
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Are you sure? I could swear he was ejected another time and it led to a big inning, and I was assuming they won…but maybe they had the big inning and lost? I’m a Girardi supporter, and I think he’s the man to run this team. Everything’s going to be fine with this squad…
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It was the first home game vs. Boston this season that Girardi was ejected
http://blog.taragana.com/n/joe.....ium-52311/
The last time Girardi was thrown out was May 4th, 2009 against Boston. Immediately after his ejection Damon and Teixeira went back to back and the Yankees scored three runs. I answered my own question. Not that it really matters, I just get sidetracked by things like this.
Yankees did lose 6-4 though.
Joba pitching into the 7th inning and Angel Berroa designated for assignment? There is a God after all.
Perfect game through 5 was terrible. What’s the word on Melkman?
The kid is done Pena, bring in Coke.
Is it just me or is Joba not pitching inside on anybody?
It seems that he’s pitching either middle or away.
That pitch was 95. Velocity is not everything, so do you get it yet? I’d rather him throw it 92 to the low and away corner than 95 up in the zone.
why oh why is Coke in the game? he scares me
And, another two strike hit bites the Yankee pitchers. Those hurt.
coke is in because a lefty is up…
nice call at first by the ump on gardner.. mlb umps are morons and blind.
the joba error is a killer………….
where can one find the current all star game voting results?
This outing will be huge for Joba’s confidence,he made it to the 7th. 99 pitches
SWISH!!!!!!
oh thank God.
ok, I rest my case….get him out of there!
Swisher is the scariest outfielder since Thurman Munson
That’s a HR at YS.
Sarah-
I AM INSULTED CAUSE I SAID NOTHING NEGATIVE AT ALL ABOUT JOBA.
But you are so high and mighty- you never actually read thru this thread. I am disgustingly positive and I love this team. I never, ever criticize the players and am known to argue with people who do. And I am a frequent poster so other readers could back me up.
So I am insulted because you are criticizing my intregrity when I did ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong. As I explained in my 9:10 comment, some troll copied something I said earlier and wrote disgusting things about Joba (but again, you obviously did not actually take the time to read the comments). I was NOT the troll. I still think you owe me an apology
I missed it. (My mom made me switch the tv to America’s Got Talent…horrible.) What was Joba’s error?
Great catch by Swish.
Do they realize that Coke has allowed a ton of HR’s to lefty batters?
They got SO LUCKY that they didn’t blow the game right there, and Swisher almost blew it too. Sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good, but if you don’t make the right moves, you can’t expect yourself to always be lucky.
8th inning Hughes?
Ugh – the Yankees score and we give runs right back.
Tervor – that’s 15 rows back in Yankee Stadium.
If Pena brings Tomko in to this game….
Joba is like “don’t ruin this game”
Bruney please. Did we forget about him or is he back on the dl.
bruney better pitch the 8th else he needs to go on the dl..
the joba error is huge…errors kill, is that hard to comprehend???
This is one time I actually agree with Francesa. Joba should have stayed in the game. The Yankees do pull him out of games to quick. How is he ever going to learn to pitch out of trouble if they pull him so quick?
Turner field dimensions – maybe 350 feet that was?
http://sports.espn.go.com/trav.....nue=mlb_15
Aren’t they saving Hughes for something? Maybe Burnett’s suspension??
What horrible pitch selection by Cervelli on that last hitter Joba faced.
Prado completely whiffs on Joba’s slider. Looks completely overmatched.
But does Cervelli go BACK TO THAT PITCH?
NO
He calls for a FASTBALL WHEN PRADO COULDN”T HIT THE SLIDER!!!!
WHY!
Make him PROVE he can hit the SLIDER!!!!
Cervelli once again is calling too many fastballs for selfish reasons. He’s just trying to give himself the best chance of throwing out the runner at second base on the DOUBLE STEAL!!!!
I hope to see some Hughes in for the 8th
Joba-Hughes-Mo? Who’d have thought of that.
Corked off of Phil Coke…
Swisher whirling round and round…
Thwarting tomahawks…
Joba out for Phil
Swisher hits Coke Zero sign
LoHudders exhale
coke has given up 5 hr’s to lefties but mostly early in the season and if they are not going to use bruney or mo in that spot coke is the next best choice…………
Nady was 1-3 with a double and played right field.
Sarah and Erica catfight under the O’Neill banner!
Erica, I think you owe Sarah an apology.
“8th inning Hughes?”
I think they want to keep Hughes ready for Friday, just in case CC can’t pitch. Also, he has never pitched back to back days before, and now probably wouldn’t be a good time to experiment with him.
Cervelli the catalyst AGAIN.
This guy needs to be in this lineup more regular. Posada needs to be the DH. Matsui should be a bench guy. Why is this not gospel?
NumberOnePositivePoster
June 24th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Erica, I think you owe Sarah an apology.
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For what??????? I did nothing wrong!!!!!!!!!!!
Is this Sarah in disguise? LOL
Please no Brett Tomko
He should not pitch in the 8th
DFA his ass
I don’t think they’ll go to Phil off of a two inning stint last night……Bruney, I would think
Swisher really tempted the odds on that catch, he turned right, then left than back right again, it’s rare for a player to make a catch when they have to switch direction but maybe the fact that he had to switch 2x got his eyes back to the original adjustment. Now I’m dizzy!
Better:
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Corked off of Phil Coke…
Swisher swirling round and round…
Tomahawks thwarted…
Thank the lord for Swisher. So far the difference of this game.
It’s been so long for an 8th inning set up that I forgot about Bruney, that is so, so sad on so many levels
Thank God, Bruney. Tomko is a disgrace. Why is he on this team?
That Friday thing with Phil makes absolutely no sense even if CC couldn’t pitch. He just pitched 2 innings last night – Phil probably could go 4 innings at best (based on the two innings and the fact that he’s not stretched out).
Sarah-Erica is probably one of the most positive/supportive people who posts on this blog. What the heck are you talking about?
Anywayz
Are they still saving Youuse for Fri/CC just in case?
I suppose Bruney for the 8th and then that Mariano fellow for the 9th
Base hit for Teix. LET’S GO YANKEES!
Another chance for A Rod….
Please tack on a run or two my heart can’t take this 1-run lead.
Tomko is on this team because Wang could only go 2, Joba could only go 5.
10 run 8th, I’m calling it again
wild pitch, runners move up!
Wild pitch. Now no chance for a GIDP.
We have to score an insurance run or two here. Bruney just came off the DL and Mo hasn’t pitched in a week. They might not exactly be sharp.
Thank you SA- I really appreciate it.
BOOO
Nice breaks thus far. Gotta get those (insurance)runs in!
Loaded for Cano.
Can we at least get one run this inning?
“Is it just me or is Joba not pitching inside on anybody?
It seems that he’s pitching either middle or away.”
Yes. It’s a bad habit of his. A bad habit many young pitchers have.
They are so concerned about giving up a home run that they surrender the inside part of the plate.
That’s one thing when the scrore is 0-0 or 1-0. But not with a lead.
But of course to break Joba of that bad habit the catcher would have to insist that Joba change the location he’s selected.
And if that were to happen Joba would then shake off the catcher over and over.
And that’s just completely unallowable.
Given that it’s just much better to allow Joba to continue the bad habits he’s fallen into as a young pitcher rather than trying to make him learn how to pitch better.
God forbid Joba should have to shake off the catcher. Much better to just give in and let him dictate everything.
He is after all 23.
IBB for A-Rod. Interesting. I hope Cano is up for it
Wow, walking A-rod???? The guy got that hit on fastball after fastball. Whatever tho, I’ll take it!
IBB for A-rod
Cano with RISP is:
a) ehh
b) decent
c) iffy
d) so-so
wow, what a turn of events…intentional walk for Alex with bases loaded, no outs? Serious? wow oh wow.
That’s the good thing about having a track record. Even though that’s Arod’s first hit in a week now opposing managers think the monster has awoke. Get ready for some fastballs Tex!
Is that an RBI for cano?
woooo
Well that was interesting, but I’ll take it.
5-3 yankees!
Robinson Cano
we wanted only one thing
no GIDP
Is Knoblauch playing 2nd?
Can we consider this a weird game yet??? LOL
I wonder if we can get a Cox ejection too…
All the fans smiling watching Cox argue.
That guy has gotten thrown out so many times.
If they over-turn this call…
Cano did that back in 2005 against the Angels in the Playoffs. So stupid man.
GHost – LOL!!!!
That guy almost did a chuck knoblach!
another clutch AB from Cano mr clutch. he got lucky..
he cannot hit when it matters..
that is a joke..
Why with bases juiced and no outs must we always flirt with the GIDP????
Cano tried his best to hit into a DP.
What a break. I almost griped about Cano’s expertise at grounding into yet another double play.
Erica – newly OPPC June 24th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Thank you SA- I really appreciate it
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No problemo. That person has no idea what the heck she/he was talking about.
Cano connecting…
Trying for two at Turner’s…
Teixeira scoring…
Come on Swish.
Even a fly ball would be great here.
Ok Kay just said that wasn’t an RBI, I didn’t think it was but I wasn’t sure.
still, another GIDP situation here…
what a game Swish!!
A-rod scores, 6-3 Yankees.
S.A.–The sun will come out tomorrow; I’m down with the
No problemo. That person has no idea what the heck she/he was talking about.
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Very random. LOL. I don’t really recall ever seeing that name before either.
“Cervelli the catalyst AGAIN.
This guy needs to be in this lineup more regular. Posada needs to be the DH. Matsui should be a bench guy. Why is this not gospel?”
Didn’t you see Centerstage with Posada? Because he’s a catcher, that’s why. That’s what he said. (That’s when they were talking about moving him to first.) NOBODY challenges Posada, least of all Girardi.
The expected tears here have already begun to fall. I’ve never seen more excuse makers in terms of Posada than I’ve seen on this forum.
Look for the “big boppers” to try to trash Cervelli. That’s always the grown-up response when Cervelli is doing a good job. However, the fact that Cervelli is still learning the game gives him plenty of latitude to get a call or two wrong. IF he does.
6-3 in favor of the Yanks
Look at all those run thingies
It’s amazing to me that the team with the most power in baseball can never hit the ball into the OF with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs. Everything is on the ground or popped up.
Swisher was just as lucky as Cano not to ground into a double play there. He fortunately made poor enough contact to ground slowly to Johnson.
Good job by Swisher. Situational hitting.
Why with bases juiced and no outs must we always flirt with the GIDP????
Because they love to infuriate us fans. Or could be that Kevin Long stinks. I think both are correct.
Hey Miggs! I know you agree with me about Posada – at least I think you do. Anyway I really respect your opinion, despite the fact that you and I didn’t necessarily agree at the beginning.
Anything going on with Melky or is it just a night off? Do you know?
Cano would have 115 RBI easily if he hit just .280 w/RISP.
What kind of dumb move by Cox was that? A-Rd can’t hit the right side of a barn. You could have just struck him out then set-up the DP with Swisher.
Nats back within 2 runs. Wouldn’t it be sweet…
trisha, Cervelli brought this team back from the dead twice so far this season. He will not let this team die. As far as I’m concerned this is HIS season because he’s the only player on the team with a pulse.
Just got my answer about Da Melk. Phew!
I still can’t get over how different Bruney looks
I see the Gardner magic has worn off
0-3 tonight.
Time to play Melky again.
does anyone else think it’s bizarre that the baseline to first base is entirely in foul territory, but the base is entirely in fair territory? so, technically speaking, the runner has to be completely in foul territory and step across into fair territory in the last step. so if he’s going to hit the bag with his right foot, he must take a stride way across his body to remain technically in the right place. it might be practically impossible! they should move the baseline into fair territory, or at least just forget about enforcing it so sternly.
Harsh words pierce the blog
Anger explodes on LoHud
the grown-up response
I won’t weigh in on Posadagate, however…
I really would be upset if Cervelli gets demoted when Molina is healthy.
Wow, Cano just cannot hit with men on base. Why in God’s name is he batting 5th?!?!!?
Cervelli was literally jiving side to side as he made the target for that high fastball. Love this guy. So much energy.
“trisha, Cervelli brought this team back from the dead twice so far this season. He will not let this team die. As far as I’m concerned this is HIS season because he’s the only player on the team with a pulse.”
Ghost, I’m with ya. Cervelli is to this team what Melky and Robby were in 2007.
Why is it that people who consider themselves members of a “positive group” of Yankees feel so compelled to trash a player who’s meant so much to the team over last several years?
That’s not being positive.
The completely blown call on Gardner and all EPSN2 can talk about is the pitcher not getting to the bag and the questionable baserunning of Cano last inning as “free passes” for the yankees. How about the free pass for the Braves that would have become an extra run for the Yankees?
You better not walk him
Not that he gets the same playing time of course. But what he has brought and what he brings each and every time he is behind the dish or at bat.
Great ’stache on Bruney.
Love it.
Trish I actually think Posada needs to catch 5 times a week so I don’t think we’re in agreement on that one.
I had an imposter posting under my name earlier today and yesterday. Pete was nice enough to delete the posts but it wasn’t me.
Nick in SF
June 24th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Harsh words pierce the blog
Anger explodes on LoHud
the grown-up response
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Is this me??? I am not sorry I got angry. I take my words seriously. I would “man” up if I actually did what I was being accused of, but I said no such thing. That was totally out of left field.
Btw- Welcome home
. How was your trip?
bryanhoch: Forgot to mention: Phil Coke was not impressed that Coke is an Atlanta product. Said he doesn’t drink soda but if he did, it’d be Pepsi.
Coke is not even a fan of..coke.
“I see the Gardner magic has worn off
0-3 tonight.
Time to play Melky again.”
You can’t be serious.
ok, bruney – outs here…you were 0-2!
otherwise, I great score to get back to the hotel too
Trisha, I know you like Cervelli, but I am just wondering what you actually have against Posada? As in why do you think he is so inferior to Cervelli? No offense meant I am just curious.
What is kay talking about hes throwing 85
good test for Bruney – but gosh, can he get rid of the ’stache?? horrifying!
You gotta like Cervelli because he is young and making the most of the opportunity that he’s been presented with. YOUTH & LIFE, this team needs more of it.
I love Posada, been a great leader, but Cervelli has contributed in some big spots this season.
Methinks Bruney needs to throw a strike
Bruney’s success over the past year has been due to him not overthrowing.
But that’s exactly what he’s doing right now.
come on Bruney
What does Francesa say tomorrow when someone asks him about Joba?
JOBA DID NOT STRIKE OUT 10 GUYS11!!!!!11!!!1111! HE ONLY HIT 97 IN THE 7TH!!!111!!!!11 HE IS NOT A STARTAH!1!!!111!!!!!
“good test for Bruney – but gosh, can he get rid of the ’stache?? horrifying!”
Word on the street is he has been moonlighting as an adult movie star, been a while since he’s actually been in a game, you know?
Not to worry, Erica, not referring to you at all. I had a very nice visit, thanks for asking.
This is what happens when your team never has a lead in the late innings. The set-up man and closer don’t get enough work in and can’t stay sharp.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Mo doesn’t have great command either.
“Why is it that people who consider themselves members of a “positive group” of Yankees feel so compelled to trash a player who’s meant so much to the team over last several years?”
rconn, I have nothing but respect and gratitude for everything Posada has been to this team. I also know that he wants to win badly. So I guess I don’t mean to trash him as much as question his abilities this year. It just turned into a war because of that with lots of hostility coming from people who considered it unthinkable that others would question Posada. That’s all.
And in the name of fairness I will say I think he did an awesome job with Burnett the other night. I think he is trying harder, according to what he said to the press, and it shows.
I still think Cervelli needs to be in more games than he is.
We really could use a dependable 8th inning guy.
Coke is not even a fan of..coke.
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I bet after you heard about 10,000 jokes about the soda at your expense you probably wouldn’t be a fan of it either.
Coke is not even a fan of..coke
Cause Pepsi is the official cola of the NY Yankees. Phil knows who signs his checks.
I recall Sarah
she panned my Chien-ming Wang jokes
“It’s his first baby!”
Bruney’s success over the past year has been due to him not overthrowing.
But that’s exactly what he’s doing right now.
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Correct, CB, and walking Jones when he was ahead 0-2 is inexcusable. Usually, when you walk the first guy, he comes in to score.
Let’s see what happens here.
I hate Anderson
10 RBIs in ‘07
Get him out Bruney
The heat must have gotten to Kay. Bruney is throwing 95 96.
Maria, just saw your post. I think I may have answered it in what I said to RConn. If not tell me and I will try to be nmore specific.
Francesa is so arrogant sometimes, especially on Joba – drives me nuts. I LOVE how he thinks Krod’s post-save celebration is even REMOTELY comparable to Joba’s fist pumps. K Rod turns his back to home plate, throws his hands in the air – makes a huge spectacle, etc. I thought Bruney was 100% right – if not out of line because he was on the DL. Besides, NO ONE HAS SAID A THING abotu K-rod’s antics, Joba has been crucified. Double standard??? I think so.
who remembers the homerun garret anderson hit off el duque in the playoffs years ago?
Yanks were up 4-2 I think and anderson and glaus hit back to back shots off duque to tie the game, then go on to win. they split the first two games at home then lost 2 straight in anaheim.
ive only seen one other ball hit that far in yankee stadium.
Bruney, Braving Braves…
Walk, strikeout, Pena ponders…
Plundering the pen…
an acceptable start for Joba against a weak NL team.
“walking Jones when he was ahead 0-2 is inexcusable. Usually, when you walk the first guy, he comes in to score.”
That was very bad.
Though I gues it wasn’t Bruney’s fault.
It’s Cervelli’s awful pitch selection.
The pitcher is clearly overthrowing and has lost the zone.
But instead of having an intuitive feeling for the game Cervelli just keeps calling for high fastballs rather than the slider.
I can’t believe Cervelli walked Jones like that.
Nick in SF
June 24th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
I recall Sarah
she panned my Chien-ming Wang jokes
“It’s his first baby!”
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That actually explains a lot. Thanks.
I think the reason I got “in trouble’ was due to a post by YankWatcher at 5:00 (for those interested). People are so unbelievable
Trisha, Yes, I saw your answer there. That pretty much answers it.
Add a DH in the AL and it would’ve been a 5 1/3 start.
Sox up 2. Let’s see if Papelbon can back up his smack with two years left on his contract
Bruney looks stupid
Fair enough, Trisha. I think Cervelli should play more as well.
I think he’s a better option at backup than Molina. More speed, a little better bat and just as good if not better defense.
Has that sweetheart Mo’sflatcutter been around? I would think there was a chance of it since the Yankees weren’t leading the whole game. What a jerk.
Garrett Anderson has always been a Yankee killer. I’ll be happy when he’s collecting social security with Trot Nixon
Joe Girardi should get ejected more often. Every time he does the team comes back to win.
is Cash there to lay down the hammer if they didn’t perform today?
oh come on Bruney
“Joe Girardi should get ejected more often. Every time he does the team comes back to win.”
That or just make Tony Pena the manager.
8 days since Mo pitched, right?
Casey Kotchman is having an awful season. And lately he’s been even worse.
How do you walk him there?
Cervelli has no repoire with his pitcher at all.
He goes out to the mound and what happens?
A walk.
Just curious, but why dosent Bruney’s hat have the symbol on the back of it? its just dark blue.
I hate to say this but Coke is much better than Pepsi. Please don’t start a fight with me about it on this blizzog because I’ll win.
No Trish-
He (It) only shows up during losses.
CB – how long you going to continue with the pitch selection sarcasm? It’s freaking old, dude get over it!
You get more annoying with each repetition.
“I can’t believe Cervelli walked Jones like that.”
Well, since he’s a kid who was brought up from AA, I guess there’s a possibility he’s still learning the game and has a lot to learn. I would never be surprised to see a rookie make some mistakes.
That said, if we continue to get from him what we have been getting, on balance I’d say we have quite a find here.
I wonder if that closed door meeting with Swisher was meant to put a little fear into him that if he doesn’t shape up his days as a Yankee might be numbered. Either way it worked. Score 2 today for head games.
I am actually surprised in this age of corporate sponsorship and the big money Pepsi pays the Yankees, that they would allow a player named Coke
i’m fairly sure not pitching in like “forever” has impacted Bruney’s effectiveness…just needs to get this out
i’m fairly sure not pitching in like “forever” has impacted Bruney’s effectiveness…just needs to get this out
Clearly Bruney has 0 command.
bruney will cost this team games
Oh is CB being sarcastic/funny? I actually thought he was serious. Oops.
Bruney is going to get a giant K now to end the inning
God dammit Bruney
Don’t make things interesting
You look like a clown
but why is Bruney having such a hard time finding strike 3 after going up 0-2
Bruney’s throwing a lot of pitches.
Chipper hot, sorry, he is
maybe even this one
Terrible job by Bruney tonight…..
Is Joba still eligible for the W? He’s on my fantasy team.
How about Mo for 4 outs?
I JUST SAID IT!!!!!
I hope someone started to dust off Mo.
Dave-
Yes- as long as the Yanks hold the lead
i mean, geez – let’s go Mo – outs, the game is plenty interesting
One thing I like about Pena is the quick hooks.
Now a rusty Mo has to come in……..seriously, Joe couldn’t find this guy one inning of work in the last week?
Now a rusty Mo has to come in……..seriously, Joe couldn’t find this guy one inning of work in the last week?
he hasn’t pitched in a while.. a lil rusty
Bruney’s inability to throw strikes is in his DNA.
Joba still in line for the win – he left with the lead and it’s never been relinquished
Thanks Erica.
Walks kill relief pitchers. This was completely unnecessary.
I know Bruney hasn’t pitched in a while.
But he walked Jones because he was overthrowing. Plain and simple. He fell back into what’s made him an wildly inconsistent pitcher in the past.
Mo hasn’t pitched in over a week. Hopefully he’ll be sharp.
Bruney did not do his job.
You walk that first batter and you are asking for trouble.
Hopefully the Sandman isn’t rusty.
But hasn’t Bruney been out of the loop for a while? Maybe it’s going to take a few outings to work out the kinks?
But hasn’t Bruney been out of the loop for a while? Maybe it’s going to take a few outings to work out the kinks?
what K-Rod asked
LoHudders wonder as well
who’s Brian Bruney?
Has any one else noticed bruneys hilarious mustache.
bruney looked like crap tonight. another clown who throws 96 and is in love with his offspeed pitch.
way to waste 30 pitches, what a joke.. blame it on jorge… what a friggin joke, now there good hitters get up again.
terrible terrible job…
Traverse the green sea…
Fisherman and fireman…
Bust a Brave inside!
That mustache is bad luck Bruney, shave it off.
Well Erica,
Since the Yankees had a player named Joe “Pepsi” tone, I’m sure they’ll let Phil change his name to Phil Pepsi-Coke
What an awful outing by Bruney. Another guy who flunks the 8th inning test.
Among the myriad of problems this team has is their bullpen really has nobody besides Rivera who can pitch in high leverage situations.
Too many walks, too many bad counts and too many shakeoffs.
This is a not a good hitting team and Bruney completely spit the bit.
We may see Hughes in that role before long.
He seems the be the only guy unafraid of the strikezone these days.
I get confused sometimes if the team scores runs after the pitcher leaves the game, which then become the only reason they’re still in line to win… But yeah it’s if the starter was the last pitcher in the game when the team took the lead, which wasn’t relinquished…
C’mon!
when do they go out and get a 8th inning guy ?
MO baby!
no rust there – thank you
no rust on the sandman
Nice quick work by Mo. Now he just needs to do it again.
Let it go
June 24th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
CB – how long you going to continue with the pitch selection sarcasm? It’s freaking old, dude get over it!
You get more annoying with each repetition.
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What did he say that was wrong?
CB knows his baseball, so far he has not been wrong on any of his comments.
Mo looks pretty sharp. The only players that can hit him are the ones that have seen him over and over and over. It’s such a shame they haven’t been able to use him more in interleague.
bruney hadnt pitched in 5 days and is still coming off injury…come on..
I guess rust isn’t a problem if your name is Mariano Rivera
No rust for the Mo
Okay. A quick leadoff HR, for a spare, 3 quick outs, so Mo doesn’t have to sit for too long.
bruney as well as mr chamberlain should listen to there catchers they know jack….
i am not giving up on bruney but he needs to be smarter, franceour cannot hit heat, or at least heat not down the middle of the damn plate so throw heat………………….
Bruney hasn’t pitched for a while. Tonight just could have been rust.
Don’t write him off as ahigh leverage guy just based on this appearance.
Ok, Bruney wasn’t good, but when is the last time he pitched? Maybe the first game in Florida…….no wonder he wasn’t sharp.
Mo looked good…….
SJ-
I definitely see Hughes as the 8th inning guy before too long. Bruney is good, but, Hughes has been lights out lately and the look in his eyes tells you he’s ready for it.
Wow, SJ44, dont overreact. The guy has been very good in the 8th inning when healthy this year. He had one bad outing after coming off the DL a week ago and pitching once since.
A tack on or 2 from the Yanks would be welcome.
ralphieD no excuses for bruney.. if he gave up hits that is one thing but walks are inexcusable..
walking guys late is inexcusable bottom line………
Veras, Marte, Ramirez, Albadalejo, and Bruney.
What do they all have in common? All of them have been tried in the 8th inning and all of them can’t throw consistent strikes.
Brian Bruney in the 7th inning is a weapon. In the 8th inning, he’s a liability.
Still need a guy you can trust to work that inning.
The tryouts are ongoing and hopefully, Hughes is next.
Papelbon 1-2-3 ninth..
acosta luks mad tall
there’s a excuse for every player on this team when they don’t produce, get the job done!
“ralphieD no excuses for bruney.. if he gave up hits that is one thing but walks are inexcusable”
no thats no true…lack of work= lack of command
Bruney has been an awesome 8th inning pitcher. I expect he will get back to that again.
Those eyes. Very intense
Stuart – agreed. Ken Singleton made an interesting comment a week or so ago about how the number of leadoff walks allowed by late-innings relievers is highly correlated to bad ERAs and bad years. Not putting Bruney in that category yet at all – but the trend seems to be that a lot of leadoff walks are usually the sign of a struggling reliever.
go get H Street, Rockies have been trying to trade him for a while
ESPN showing some love for Cervelli!
run Melky run
Double
DA MELK!!!!
Pepitone,
The irony of Bruney overthrowing is that his fastball has so much more life when he’s not throwing as hard.
His fastball has much more life when he’s not overthrowing. He’s developed a really nice downward plane on his fastball when he’s throwing 93-94.
Hopefully he was just too strong this outing as he hasn’t thrown in a while.
Hughes will be the 8th inning man…
bruney didn’t pitch fo a while.. and he jus came off da DL
SJ44 (If, indeed, this is the REAL SJ44)
I have to disagree with you about Bruney. He walked the batters, which is inexcusable, but he is coming off the DL, and he is rusty.
I wouldn’t move him just yet, he still has good stuff.
Erica – don’t tangle with me young lady. You go back and read your first post. You know what you meant but others may have not had the same reading. I am a Joba advocate and have been defending him in posts since last year. Anytime I see anything negative and there have been some really bad ones, let me tell you.
And if you think Joba is hot – why didn’t you come out and say it in your first post. And why don’t you be quiet. Since Trisha has taken a break you seem to be trying to take her place. Not even close.
Bruney has been inconsistent throughout his entire career (when he’s not injured, that is). He’ll go through stretches where he looks dominant, striking out the side. Then he’ll go through a period where he cannot find the strike zone for the life of him. Methinks he will not last in the 8th inning spot for long…
Shaking off Cervelli repeatedly is what messed him up that inning. It blew his rhythm and ruined his outing.
I come from a simple school. Let the catcher call the game and you execute the pitch.
I don’t care if its Cervelli or Posada back there, too many guy shakeoff the catchers on this team.
When they do it, its almost always to their detriment.
That’s my one big beef with Eiland. He lets these pitchers go too far with it.
As I said, great 7th inning, don’t trust him in the 8th in high leverage situations. Not a good enough strikethrower.
Bruney has a WHIP under 1 in his last 45 innings. He seems to have shed the fear of the strikezone SJ. He was not great tonight, but you are totally overreacting.
“ESPN showing some love for Cervelli!”
Denise, I am watching YES. What did they say?
i mean really – can’t bring that runner in?
Jeter is killing us right now. Don’t even try to deny it or go on about his 4 rings.
Infield in, 3-1 count, and he STILL can’t get the run in by hitting it out of the infield.
Sarah-
You are scaring me. I will no longer respond to you. Why don’t you get back on the crazy train and go back where you came from.
My original comment was about Joba shaking off pitchers. Nothing else. Some clown at 5:00 said nasty things and tacked my name on. You are crazy so maybe it was you.
Goodbye. I am done with you.
trisha – lots of clips of the many faces of Cervelli and talking about his leadership, defensive strength etc
The walks have killed the bullpen all year. Not just the Yankees though. Its going on all over baseball.
Too many guys too timid in the strikezone.
Would be nice to add some insurance here.
CB, I’m definitely not – Bruney’s generally done a good job for us. It’s ridiculous to expect guys to be perfect – they are human. I’m sure the rust factor had a lot to do with his wildness…….
Jeter – 16 for 17 in SB this year. Gardner 16 for 17 in SB this year. That’s shocking to me…
Damon
well done
good job damon
Rishi – was that on regular Sportscenter or BT?
CB -
The irony of Bruney overthrowing is that his fastball has so much more life when he’s not throwing as hard.
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Yeah, his stuff is good enough to get most batters out if he just learns to stay within himself. But, the guy is still young (what is he now, 26?), and still learning.
I like the kid, he just needs time to grow and mature. By the way, what you said about Cervelli is true. But, he’s young too (24, I think), so we can cut him some slack as well.
Nice
7-4
wooo
Well, that was just embarassing at bat to watch by Jeter.
I will continue to disagree about Bruney. He has been a PHENOMENAL strike thrower. You must have a very short-term memory. Bruney IS the 8th inning and will continue to be once he shakes off the rust.
What a riot that the 8th inning was the biggest concern totally because Bruney went down, and now Bruney can’t pitch the 8th?
I don’t think so!
so “team hitting meetings” work?
I love when Johnny Damon, my pretend boyfriend comes through!!!
is the house organ playing “creep”?
they’re hitting b/c Cash flew on the team plane. they knew they are all tradeable, except for A-Rod
That’s not the real SJ…..
wow how complicated you get hits with men in scoring position and you score.
no need for Hr’s singles or walks will do.
what a concept……
Jeter vindicating himself for not getting Melky in earlier. And nice heads up running by Damon, too.
Tex!
8-4
save some runs for tomorrow
nice to see some offense with 2 outs
the game is on ESPN 2 tonight…it’s the only way I can watch here in lovely wilmington, de
they showed it during the game
Tex!
Matt: I deny it.
The only thing you worry about Bruney with an inning like that is if he’s having pain in his elbow.
They should have more “hitter’s meetings”!
well, wow, I don’t know what to say with all these RBIs! But JOE G and Cash need to do it again!
if they left Bruney in the game he would have blown the lead & all you Bruney lovers would have been all over him
“joeman
June 24th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
go get H Street, Rockies have been trying to trade him for a while”
Listen genius, they are not going to trade him now, they are in the playoff race, would you trade a player when your in the middle of a playoff race ?
No you wouldn’t, SO SHUT UP !
Yankees Recipe for Winning:
take out the other team’s starter….
any way you can.
In the old days, they would drive up the pitch count.
Now, you just need a well placed line drive up the middle.
Who ARE these people that appear out of nowhere? lol@young lady.
I figured it was safe to come in here seeing as they are currently winning.
“The only thing you worry about Bruney with an inning like that is if he’s having pain in his elbow.”
Yeah, and if he admits to it…
Offensive orgy tonight. Gotta love tonight’s version of the Yankees.
trisha – OPPC lifetime member
June 24th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
They should have more “hitter’s meetings”!
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It was Girardi’s ejection getting them all fiery. There was nothing at all doing in those 5 innings. I am so glad they pulled through and fought back
Oh no wonder, we in NYC are blacked out when YES has coverage. No Cervelli highlights…sad.
look at the yankees pitching stats. they give up a lowe BA avg then the sux. the yare near the top in K’s.
there pitching woes are simple to many HR’s and that may be because of the new homer domw and to many walks… Limit the walks this pitching staff can be real real good…………
they have numerous power arms, numerous…hughes,bruney, joba, cc, aj are all almost a K per inning guys
Damon really knows how to score from first doesn’t he? He’s probably a half step slower than Gardner but for some reason he doesn’t create as much respect from the pitcher when he’s on first.
Mo’s gonna bat?
SJ is watching his nephew’s game….and this imitator doesn’t sound like him anyway
I would love to see mo hit
Trisha-
Denise, I am watching YES. What did they say?
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They said, “Ohhh, Frankie is soooo hot!”
Look at Tony Pena clapping his hands. What fire there must be in his belly.
“the game is on ESPN 2 tonight…it’s the only way I can watch here in lovely wilmington, de”
Rishi, where in wilmington? What bet did you lose to be there. Sorry, I worked there for 5-6 years earlier this decade, not one of my fav places.
Mo getting ready to bat. Funny =)
Probably the first time I’m rooting for Cano to make an out. I do NOT want to see Mo hit.
Mo taking quite a razzing!
Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
June 24th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Who ARE these people that appear out of nowhere? lol@young lady.
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hahaha. That was the only part of her babbling I liked. I am 28, I don’t always get called young lady like I am a 5 year old anymore
anyone remember Mo’s first AB in the postseason a few years back? Torre told him not to even think about swinging and he did anyone. God I love MO
Melky is joking but Mariano is ALLLLL business.
Has Mo ever hit before? Let’s see it!
1 pitch ffrom mo swinging!
pop it up Robi ! pop it up !
Jeter makes me laugh. Love watching him on that top step
I’m a consultant, my current client is out here so I’m stuck here – it’s tough, but i depend on the kindness of you all to keep me up to date on post-games etc
OK, Mo – NO SWINGING!!!!!
Kay answered, Mo 0-1 in his career.
Yes go deep mo!
Heh. Major amusement in the Yankee dugout.
Rivera batting should be fun.
lol Mo
The Yankees might have already won #27 in the alternate universe in which Brian Bruney has been a consistent 8th inning reliever. Tonight’s outing wasn’t all that promising, but I don’t think rust can be discounted. I’m still keeping my “I’m a Bruney Believer” pin close by.
Go Mo!
Or, don’t even swing, Mo!
I don’t know what to think.
Come on- grand slam!
Does anyone have a scouting report on Mariano’s hitting? Come on now.
Betsy
June 24th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
That’s not the real SJ…..
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I suspected as much, Betsy.
OH SO CLOSE!!
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Mo ripped it!
I thought that was a gapper
Okay, I’ll take that.
LOL MO – I knew Mo would hit it hard……..look at the guys all getting a kick out of that, lol
Awwwww
I was really hoping that he’d get a RBI there. Would’ve been absolutely hilarious.
ooo !
Aw, man. I wanted Mo to get a hit!
that was fun
Alright.. he made contact. Damn, not bad at all.
Almost hit it too hard. Softer and it might have fallen in.
I can’t believe it. I’m so mad right now. Mo didn’t come through when he needed him. How many line drive outs is that this year?
Don’t you guys remember MO batted in the playoffs? Torre instructed him not to swing and he did anyway. It was awesome.
I did not want Mo to have to run the bases. But it was nice he got he bat on the ball. Watching CC and Pettitte react like 7 year old boys was cute. Mo’s smile was priceless.
Bruney hasn’t pitched in 4 days… hardly an excuse.
MO hasn’t pitched in over a week, he has a legit gripe.
u seen cc?? LMAOO
“The only thing you worry about Bruney with an inning like that is if he’s having pain in his elbow.”
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CB, none of that now…..
Let’s keep the vibes positive
Could have helped team Panama.
Hey Angel. I didn’t know whether you were around tonight but already greeted you just in case. I popped in a bit earlier but didn’t bother reading the posts, just went from pop in point.
I have definitely been avoiding the forum and especially game threads. But I couldn’t help myself when the eyes hit his homer.
I know one thing for sure – there’s a Kim Jones interview coming up!
I love MO. That smile is great.
turn-around game…….
mariano rivera
baseball player.
rivera nearly had a 2 run single.
You must have been bothering her for a while, Erica.
That was a lot of pent up crazy coming out all at once.
I hear you about the young lady, I still get excited when I get carded, lol.
I bet in another era Mo would have been an All-Star SS/Closer
Blog commentary, why is it that wheneve SJ44 says something slightly negative in the game thread, people come on and say oh it’s not the real SJ44. Really? Do you people read his stuff? He states negative and positive things. He is not a cheerleader. Not surprisingly he has opinions and states them.
Rivera had an AB in Philadelphia a couple of years ago
Pepitone,
I know. They really need him to be effective. With him and hughes in the pen it’s a good pen.
The pitching has been great.
How did you think Wang looked yesterday?
Man he looks good
Now if Jeter can learn from Mo how to hit a fly ball when it counts…
I went for a run. I’d just had enough of the game thread after last night. So a run with loud angry music seemed like good alternative.
I figured it’d be safe to stick my head in, seeing as they were winning, lol.
now ESPN2 is doing a “Mo shagging flys” montage…
can you all hear all the “Let’s go Yankees”
they are doing a roll call in ATL!
trisha, there’s a new rule for blog posters. No looking at Cervelli in the post game interview.
It’s exciting to watch our pitchers bat this year. They’ve all had pretty good AB’s and hit the ball hard. Joba actually would have gotten a hit today if the ball didn’t hit Kawakami.
Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
June 24th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
You must have been bothering her for a while, Erica.
That was a lot of pent up crazy coming out all at once.
I hear you about the young lady, I still get excited when I get carded, lol.
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No clue why. I am a really sarcastic person, but I am always positive. I do think I am hilarious though. LOL
Last year I was in Atlantic City and it was like 1am, and my friend and I were giggling hysterically at a slot machine. A secruity guard came over and immediately demanded our IDs. He did not believe we were 27 and was getting ready to call for backup while we grabbed our wallets. It made my year
God he is dealing
I ♥ Rivera..
This will be Mo’s 498th save. He has a chance to get #500 against the Mets this weekend.
The Yankee fans in ATL should teach the spoiled New Yorkers some lessons. Cheer the players whose jerseys you wear. Gotta love the Jeter and Arod chants. Can we get a full roll call?
“trisha – lots of clips of the many faces of Cervelli and talking about his leadership, defensive strength etc”
Damn! Well here’s the good news. ESPN always does a rerun of the game. My tape it will be a running later on. Something makes me think the game is at 3 a.m., something like that.
I am totally sold on Cervelli. And the eyes are just a small part of it!
wow, big support there in ATL!!!
CB-
“How did you think Wang looked yesterday?”
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He’s improving, don’t you think?
I wasn’t disappointed in his effort, it will take time, but he’s worth the wait.
Boston won, Tampa won
Texas/Angels are leading early
We kept pace with our scorching hot rivals
When Rivera’s got it going, he pitches like a surgeon opening up a beating heart.
Mo’s flatcutter needs to change his name to Mo’s frozenrope
Vintage Mo at his best.
Erica- It seem to mean you’ve finally made it here when you get your own stalker. Or impersonator. lol.
Yay!
Yankees win!
4k’s. Thats why he’s Mo.
Mo dazzles again
Atlantans recall his name
Greatest of All Time
“trisha, there’s a new rule for blog posters. No looking at Cervelli in the post game interview.”
Mosflatcutter needs a new handle
I loved Mo’s smile, too…………and wow, he looked good tonight.
Mo was absolutely inspiring tonight. We need a haiku in his honor.
Wow I worked through the whole game – missed it all
Yankeeeees win
It was fun talking to some of you guys tonight. Have a great one!
Cervelli just said “oh man!” when he looked at Mo and took off his mask.
This is sweet beyond belief. Sweet beyond belief.
Yay! The eyes!
“I am totally sold on Cervelli. And the eyes are just a small part of it!”
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Trisha, down girl!
Cervelli reminds me of Topogiggio.
I think it’s a stalker. I am way too random to impersonate. LOL
Go back to the 5pm post by YankWatcher. You will see why I hit the crazy lady’s radar
This kid is so humble. That’s definitely part of his charm.
Jeff NJ – Yankee Fan in Good Times and Bad
June 24th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Blog commentary, why is it that wheneve SJ44 says something slightly negative in the game thread, people come on and say oh it’s not the real SJ44. Really? Do you people read his stuff? He states negative and positive things. He is not a cheerleader. Not surprisingly he has opinions and states them.
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He also stops posting on the game thread because of the idiots that are allowed to run loose on here.
i was really hoping rivera’s hit would drop.
Getting that strikeout
Mariano Rivera
Cisco for the win
any help/recap from the post game = greatly appreciated
Uncle!! You missed a crazy one. LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwxfN3oSHaQ
Cervelli plays we win Posada plays we lose
Mark my word. Cervelli is going to be a big-time catcher in the near future. I am hoping it is with the New York Yankees.
Kim Jones gives everyone simple yes or no questions, w/ dreamy eyes she gives open ended questions when he clearly isn’t 100 % fluent in english..Go figure.
Just so you all know, I voted for swisher for chevy player of the game. I’ll trade egg on my face for a win any day of the week
Cervelli’s YES on-field post-game reaction:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/6182752186789186/
Thats what started it?
Sheesh, talk about hair-trigger release of crazy. Good gravy.
“Mosflatcutter needs a new handle”
Mo’sflatcutter needs a new brain!
Where’s Mo’sflatcutter? I wanna ask him why so serious.
Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
June 24th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
Thats what started it?
Sheesh, talk about hair-trigger release of crazy. Good gravy.
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LOL. Yes, exactly.
My favorite post of hers was when she told me I should be insulted because I was being rude to Joba, and then asked why I was so insulted.
I guess its good to at least be consistantly crazy
Where’s -Pete- I mean Mo’sflatcutter at
did joba give up any walks tonight? i cant remember any…..
Erica – newly OPPC June 24th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
I think it’s a stalker. I am way too random to impersonate. LOL
Go back to the 5pm post by YankWatcher. You will see why I hit the crazy lady’s radar
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She/he reminds me of DEBORAH for some reason
>*UPDATE, 10:26 p.m.:* Mo strikes out all four guys he faces for save No. 498.
Mo’sflatcutter is in his parent’s basement watching reruns of SpongeBob.
did joba give up any walks tonight? i cant remember any…..
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Nope
Bruney’s the only Yankee pitcher to walk anyone
yankees still way back out of first place HAHAHAHAHA THEY WILL LOSE TOMORROW
The last time Giradi got tossed was in Baltimore and the Yanks when on their run to first place…..
A-Hip got a key 2-run single tonight…he finished 1 for 3 and his average has rocketed up to .210
“She/he reminds me of DEBORAH for some reason”
Maybe they are the same person. We haven’t had a DEBORAH sighting in a long time
Just saw baseball tonight showing highlights…. they showed replay of girardi arguing with ump – reading the umps lips he clearly says “you want me to throw you out?” and then tosses him
when you become a yankee you become a whimp
Maybe DEBORAH/Sarah is also Mo’sflatcutter. LOL
Jeff NJ – Yankee Fan in Good Times and Bad
June 24th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Blog commentary, why is it that wheneve SJ44 says something slightly negative in the game thread, people come on and say oh it’s not the real SJ44. Really? Do you people read his stuff? He states negative and positive things. He is not a cheerleader. Not surprisingly he has opinions and states them.
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If the poster doesn’t sound like a self-important blowhard, then I start to suspect it’s not the “real” SJ44.
Man, there has got to be a better way to scroll to the bottom of a page on an iPhone. Anyone know of any?
“when you become a yankee you become a whimp”
Pete when are you going to stop joking w/ the blog
“He’s improving, don’t you think?
I wasn’t disappointed in his effort, it will take time, but he’s worth the wait.”
Agreed. His ball is still up more often than it normally is but I thought he looked good.
He had that one bad inning which could really happen to any pitcher. He seemed to struggle more from the stretch which he’s done in the past. But i could see him having more trouble with the stretch given his issue with arm strength.
He’s coming. You see his ball now with nice downward life. And interestingly – he seems to be striking more people out.
With him back and if AJ keeps it up this is a very dangerous rotation and it has the kind of depth and length that will make the pen much better.
I am concerned with the offense mostly because Alex’s hip is such an unknown. He looked better tonight. Not just the hit – but the out.
Frustrating two weeks. But if this staff straightens out and continues pitching to a sub 4 ERA as a whole you gotta think the team is going to win.
look how a real team plays Boston has blowen out the Nationals 2 straight games at there house and the yankees on the other hand got shut down and almost got swept at home
Maybe there is truth to the fact that Posada needs to sit. He calls a bad game, and plays abhorrent defense.
Cervelli is the better catcher. Posada is nothing but a glorified DH.
Bench him again tomorrow.
Hmm Posada sits, we win..
Clueless Joe gets tossed, we started hitting literally instantly after that.
Think we’re on to something here?
Mo musters magic…
Splintering ash asunder…
Mighty Braves buckling…
DB, try the B button (for bottom), that works for the Blackberry.
Gary Sheffield got a cortisone shot today. That whole Mets team is literally falling apart
Mo’sflatcutter
June 24th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
when you become a yankee you become a whimp
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So, what’s your excuse…..GENETICS?
Hey, Pete! We got a mess over here on aisle 6.
Perfect Destiny
“look how a real team plays Boston has blowen out the Nationals 2 straight games at there house and the yankees on the other hand got shut down and almost got swept at home”
Stop breathing.
“look how a real team plays Boston has blowen out the Nationals 2 straight games at there house and the yankees on the other hand got shut down and almost got swept at home”
Pete com’on stop playing around LOL.
Craig, good for Gi