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	<title>Comments on: ESPN&#8217;s Sunday Conversation: Mariano</title>
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		<title>By: kelley</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/06/26/espns-sunday-conversation-mariano/comment-page-2/#comment-885783</link>
		<dc:creator>kelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I set up my tv to record this interview and it stopped just before Mo started talking. I can&#039;t find the video on ESPN, or anywhere else. Can somebody PLEASE tell me what elase he said besides the Papelbon and PED info listed above by Peter Abraham? Thanks very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I set up my tv to record this interview and it stopped just before Mo started talking. I can&#8217;t find the video on ESPN, or anywhere else. Can somebody PLEASE tell me what elase he said besides the Papelbon and PED info listed above by Peter Abraham? Thanks very much.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did Papelbon really retract that statement? 

He really is a clown. His agent is probably furious with him!</description>
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<p>He really is a clown. His agent is probably furious with him!</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mariano expresses true humility – not the false “aw shucks” kind – in his humility lies his strength; he knows all he has comes from Source and he never loses sight of that.&quot;

From &quot;Source?&quot;  What is this, The Matrix?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mariano expresses true humility – not the false “aw shucks” kind – in his humility lies his strength; he knows all he has comes from Source and he never loses sight of that.&#8221;</p>
<p>From &#8220;Source?&#8221;  What is this, The Matrix?</p>
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		<title>By: Truthiness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truthiness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the PED whispers about Mo are probably true.</description>
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		<title>By: sab</title>
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		<dc:creator>sab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PruBelongs 
June 26th, 2009 at 10:06 am 
Gardner 115 chances, 1 error, 3 assists
Cabrera 124 chances, 2 errors, 1 assist

I know one of Cabrera’s errors was the costly throwing error last weekend. Not sure about the other.
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PRU - 
Mclouth
180 chances, 0 errors, 5 assists - some people were on the blog yesterday saying gardner and melky were better than mclouth...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PruBelongs<br />
June 26th, 2009 at 10:06 am<br />
Gardner 115 chances, 1 error, 3 assists<br />
Cabrera 124 chances, 2 errors, 1 assist</p>
<p>I know one of Cabrera’s errors was the costly throwing error last weekend. Not sure about the other.<br />
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<p>PRU &#8211;<br />
Mclouth<br />
180 chances, 0 errors, 5 assists &#8211; some people were on the blog yesterday saying gardner and melky were better than mclouth&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes</title>
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		<dc:creator>bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite quote from Mariano Rivera came after he gave up a 2 run homer to blow a save only to then to see a teammate win it with another 2 run homer. He was asked about the emotional roller coaster of the two moments and he replied: “My emotions will always be the same, we have to learn to lose and to win.” In that seemingly simple line he gave me the basis of which I have taught my two sons about sports and about life. He’s not just a great closer, he’s a philosopher poet.
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Well said.

Mariano expresses true humility - not the false &quot;aw shucks&quot; kind - in his humility lies his strength; he knows all he has comes from Source and he never loses sight of that.

Do you remember when we lost in 2001 and Rivera said 

..but we had to lose. Everything happens for a reason. Had we won (Enrico Wilson) would have stayed for the celebration party, and would have been on that doomed flight to the DR from Queens.

I&#039;m paraphrasing, of course. 

I always thought that throw was so errant that he made to 2B....higher power speaking through him? 

I know people don&#039;t want to hear that, because that loss was heart-breaking....but Rivera is hardly a flaky new age drone; he knows what matters most, and that&#039;s why in his humility, he is indomitable. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite quote from Mariano Rivera came after he gave up a 2 run homer to blow a save only to then to see a teammate win it with another 2 run homer. He was asked about the emotional roller coaster of the two moments and he replied: “My emotions will always be the same, we have to learn to lose and to win.” In that seemingly simple line he gave me the basis of which I have taught my two sons about sports and about life. He’s not just a great closer, he’s a philosopher poet.<br />
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<p>Well said.</p>
<p>Mariano expresses true humility &#8211; not the false &#8220;aw shucks&#8221; kind &#8211; in his humility lies his strength; he knows all he has comes from Source and he never loses sight of that.</p>
<p>Do you remember when we lost in 2001 and Rivera said </p>
<p>..but we had to lose. Everything happens for a reason. Had we won (Enrico Wilson) would have stayed for the celebration party, and would have been on that doomed flight to the DR from Queens.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m paraphrasing, of course. </p>
<p>I always thought that throw was so errant that he made to 2B&#8230;.higher power speaking through him? </p>
<p>I know people don&#8217;t want to hear that, because that loss was heart-breaking&#8230;.but Rivera is hardly a flaky new age drone; he knows what matters most, and that&#8217;s why in his humility, he is indomitable. <img src='http://yankees.lhblogs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes</title>
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		<dc:creator>bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yankees
June 26th, 2009 at 9:19 am
surprised at a couple of things. To think that the Yankees were prepared to play Swisher in CF or first base regularly before getting Tex is bad scouting.
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I don&#039;t know why this notion persists, because Cashman has refuted it often enough. There was NEVER an intention to use Swisher as a CF, outside of an emergency spot once in a blue moon:

http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/11/13/cashman-talks-about-the-swisher-deal/

What happened was every poster on earth was screaming for Swisher to play the position if it came down to Swisher vs. Melky. 

This is why I put no stock into many people&#039;s opinions regarding outfield defense. For some reason, there are a good number of people floating around out there in the blogosphere and forums who have entirely the wrong notions about outfield defense.

In fact, they are emphatic about their misguided notions. Particularly, some  think you can swap in a corner outfielder to play CF and he won&#039;t miss a beat. Swisher, of course, would d-r-o-w-n in centerfield. He would drown. 

The conclusion, I think, that he could actually play there competently, fed off another entirely false notion, nurtured by neophytes in the media and blogosphere - for people assume if you have a blog or a byline you must know what you&#039;re talking about.

That false notion is that Melky has no range, gets bad jumps, and has only an arm to offer. I am personally done addressing this because it&#039;s useless to explain what either you can or cannot see with your own eyes.

Yankees
June 26th, 2009 at 9:19 amThe Gardner over Melky thing in CF is puzzling. Defensively Melky is better
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You are right, but you will never persuade people who think blazing speed trumps instinct. 

I also think that the Yankees and we fans are SO starved for speed and &quot;athleticism&quot; that Gardner has become a symbol of what we have lacked. 

Indeed, when he gets on base, he provides a weapon we just haven&#039;t had. It&#039;s assumed that his outfield defense is as efficient as his baserunning, however, and that is just not true. 

Even the Yankees have conceded this: he&#039;s no longer playing shallow, because they know  that his speed is tremendous going coast to coast, but doesn&#039;t really lend a plus dimension going back to the wall - which is what a true plus CF can do; Gardner can&#039;t really cheat going back - only coming in.</description>
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June 26th, 2009 at 9:19 am<br />
surprised at a couple of things. To think that the Yankees were prepared to play Swisher in CF or first base regularly before getting Tex is bad scouting.<br />
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<p>I don&#8217;t know why this notion persists, because Cashman has refuted it often enough. There was NEVER an intention to use Swisher as a CF, outside of an emergency spot once in a blue moon:</p>
<p><a href="http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/11/13/cashman-talks-about-the-swisher-deal/" rel="nofollow">http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....sher-deal/</a></p>
<p>What happened was every poster on earth was screaming for Swisher to play the position if it came down to Swisher vs. Melky. </p>
<p>This is why I put no stock into many people&#8217;s opinions regarding outfield defense. For some reason, there are a good number of people floating around out there in the blogosphere and forums who have entirely the wrong notions about outfield defense.</p>
<p>In fact, they are emphatic about their misguided notions. Particularly, some  think you can swap in a corner outfielder to play CF and he won&#8217;t miss a beat. Swisher, of course, would d-r-o-w-n in centerfield. He would drown. </p>
<p>The conclusion, I think, that he could actually play there competently, fed off another entirely false notion, nurtured by neophytes in the media and blogosphere &#8211; for people assume if you have a blog or a byline you must know what you&#8217;re talking about.</p>
<p>That false notion is that Melky has no range, gets bad jumps, and has only an arm to offer. I am personally done addressing this because it&#8217;s useless to explain what either you can or cannot see with your own eyes.</p>
<p>Yankees<br />
June 26th, 2009 at 9:19 amThe Gardner over Melky thing in CF is puzzling. Defensively Melky is better<br />
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<p>You are right, but you will never persuade people who think blazing speed trumps instinct. </p>
<p>I also think that the Yankees and we fans are SO starved for speed and &#8220;athleticism&#8221; that Gardner has become a symbol of what we have lacked. </p>
<p>Indeed, when he gets on base, he provides a weapon we just haven&#8217;t had. It&#8217;s assumed that his outfield defense is as efficient as his baserunning, however, and that is just not true. </p>
<p>Even the Yankees have conceded this: he&#8217;s no longer playing shallow, because they know  that his speed is tremendous going coast to coast, but doesn&#8217;t really lend a plus dimension going back to the wall &#8211; which is what a true plus CF can do; Gardner can&#8217;t really cheat going back &#8211; only coming in.</p>
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		<title>By: The Ghost</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Ghost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gardner 115 chances, 1 error, 3 assists
Cabrera 124 chances, 2 errors, 1 assist

I know one of Cabrera&#039;s errors was the costly throwing error last weekend. Not sure about the other.

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Cabrera has had subpar accuracy this year throwing the ball, but a bigger part of the reason for his low assist total is the immense respect his arm receives by opposing runners. No one takes an extra base on him anymore. They really should formulate a stat on how many times a runner decides it&#039;s not worth it to risk the extra base in a 50/50 situation. I guarantee you that no runner this year has stopped in their tracks on Gardner or Damon&#039;s arms. That alone is worth something.</description>
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Cabrera 124 chances, 2 errors, 1 assist</p>
<p>I know one of Cabrera&#8217;s errors was the costly throwing error last weekend. Not sure about the other.</p>
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<p>Cabrera has had subpar accuracy this year throwing the ball, but a bigger part of the reason for his low assist total is the immense respect his arm receives by opposing runners. No one takes an extra base on him anymore. They really should formulate a stat on how many times a runner decides it&#8217;s not worth it to risk the extra base in a 50/50 situation. I guarantee you that no runner this year has stopped in their tracks on Gardner or Damon&#8217;s arms. That alone is worth something.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Ringland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Ringland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atta boy, Mo. Tell it like it is!</description>
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		<title>By: Boogie Down Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boogie Down Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick,

I&#039;ve heard that as well, and I&#039;m not doubting his competitive spirit. However, I don&#039;t think many people realize how difficult it is to rehab from a torn labrum in your shoulder.

I&#039;ve had the surgery myself, and while I&#039;m not John Smoltz, I can attest to the fact that no matter how much you strengthen and rehab it, it&#039;s never quite the same after you have that surgery.

Additionally, this isn&#039;t the first time he&#039;s had surgery as well. Bottom line, he&#039;s not going to be a difference maker for them, IMO</description>
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<p>I&#8217;ve heard that as well, and I&#8217;m not doubting his competitive spirit. However, I don&#8217;t think many people realize how difficult it is to rehab from a torn labrum in your shoulder.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had the surgery myself, and while I&#8217;m not John Smoltz, I can attest to the fact that no matter how much you strengthen and rehab it, it&#8217;s never quite the same after you have that surgery.</p>
<p>Additionally, this isn&#8217;t the first time he&#8217;s had surgery as well. Bottom line, he&#8217;s not going to be a difference maker for them, IMO</p>
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